Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 716 The Importance of Mind-Muscle Connection, the Best Program for Fat Loss & the Autoimmune Protocol Diet

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind... POOOOOO! So for the first 45 minutes we do our introductory current events conversation. We start off by talking about the ineffectiveness of yelling. That's right.

Starting point is 00:00:27 This is why I'm yelling. You're crazy, man. We talk about my museum San Francisco trip. We talk about mine pumps Tampa trip. We had a good time over there talking to a couple friends of ours. Ben Pekolsky being one of them. I mentioned green chef. Green chef delivers meals that you cook at home.

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Starting point is 00:02:08 The first question was, this individual has Hashimoto's, which is an autoimmune issue that attacks the thyroid. What is our opinion on the autoimmune protocol diet or other diets for autoimmune issues? Now we did mention Thrive Market there because you can go to Thrive Market and actually pull down drop down menus and do something like Paleo, which in this case may benefit them. They are also one of our sponsors.

Starting point is 00:02:32 If you go to ThriveMarket.com forward slash Mind Pump, you'll get one month free, 20 hours off your first three hours orders of more, a $49 or more, excuse me, and free shipping. And then the next question we get into was what is the best maps program for fat loss or what is the best programming for fat loss in general? We talk about our hit program.

Starting point is 00:02:53 It is the most, the probably the best calorie burning program we have. However, it's not for everybody. Find out if it's for you in this episode. And finally, the last question, how important is the mind muscle connection? Thinking about the muscle, squeezing the muscle, feeling the muscle,

Starting point is 00:03:12 does it matter or should you just do the exercises? What do we know about this? Can you feel it? Also, this month we did launch our new program, Maps Hit. We talk about it in this episode. Go check it out at MindPumpMedia.com. It is a hit program, so your workouts are 15 to 25 minutes, depending on your level of fitness. You also talk about Maps Prime in this one, too.

Starting point is 00:03:34 I do mention Maps Prime as well. These programs and information on these programs can all be found at Mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time. T-shirt time and we had 40 reviews. 40 for zero. So we called for them last week. That's almost as old as Sal. Yes. Technically it's older.

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Starting point is 00:04:39 Fire it up before you go, go. Damn. I'm gonna leave Adam there going so He can do it all by himself Justin I know I would faith in him one of the people in the world that would never write off Is Adam so I feel like if he when it's t-shirt time. Yeah, I count on You not scream loud. Yeah, I don't know if I can actually. When you get in big fights with Katrina, do you ever yell? No, I'm not a yell at all.

Starting point is 00:05:09 In fact, that's a non-negotiable for me. I have been in relationships no joke. I could have been dating a girl for nine months to a year and a half. And if she snaps on me like that, or yells or screams or raises a hand, or does anything like that, like literally, go kick rocks.

Starting point is 00:05:27 No, packing your bag for you, studying it out on the my front, I've done this. You're gone, that's it. The fact that you would ever let it escalate to a point like that with me, just doesn't emotionally unstable. And I know that I'm probably a little more extreme with that because of how I grew up.

Starting point is 00:05:44 So I'm very very Recognized. Yeah, I can't I can't stand to do that. I feel like it's a very primitive You know just non intelligent way of communicating like it's often scream. It's like a Nathaniel. Do I just feel like it's you You know anybody who understands anything about communication knows that when two people are angry and yelling at each other, no matter what you say, nothing is effectively communicated or received by the other person.

Starting point is 00:06:14 So what the fuck is the point? Yeah, yeah. Like if I was resolved. And I'm not immune to getting that angry, right? I'm not immune to getting so angry that I want to do normal things. Right, so if I ever feel myself get that angry, I just leave.

Starting point is 00:06:27 I just leave the situation. Wait till later until I can calm down. But a lot of times that makes people more pissed off, you know, because they want to react. They want to engage. But I'll even say that, I was like, like you obviously want to engage in a fight where I'm just not gonna do that with you.

Starting point is 00:06:41 So we can talk later when we're both ready to communicate this and I'll just walk away. That's a tough one. Yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, I mean, hitting is fine, but yelling, I wouldn't. Yeah. I understand.

Starting point is 00:06:51 You know what I think? For own break, instead. I have a theory. I think, and I may be wrong, but here's my theory. I wonder if women are more likely to yell in arguments than men are because of the like you've ever seen women at bars will get in a guy's face because they know socially the guys can't do that to each other because there's always that threat of violence right like if you get in a guy's

Starting point is 00:07:18 face in a bar and you're a man you're doing so knowing that this could very well turn out into a physical fight. And I'm kind of asking for it. Whereas, you know, the, just, suddenly speaking, women know like, oh, this guy's not going to do anything because we're in public. And if he does, everyone's going to destroy him. This is where like, I love Bill Burr because like he covers a lot of this in his standup, you know, and it's just like that, that whole thing. Like, you know what a punch in the face feelsup, you know, and it's just like that whole thing. Like, you know what a punch in the face feels like, you know,

Starting point is 00:07:48 somewhere, sometimes, you know, that, like you said, they keep antagonizing the fight where it's like, no, don't, you know, but they don't have the same consequence that's staring right back at you. So my, my, I have a friend, a friend who, female and she, I was talking to her one day and she's like, man, she's like, most terrifying thing happened to me yesterday. And I'm like, well, what happened? She's like, well, this guy cut me off in his car.

Starting point is 00:08:17 So I pulled up next to him and I flipped him off and we started yelling at each other back and forth. And so I didn't let him merge, and he almost, I almost ran him off the freeway because he pissed me off. And then he followed me, and then I got into traffic, and he opened the door and tried to get out of his car, and I was freaking out.

Starting point is 00:08:37 And I wanted to tell her like, not that you deserve any kind of physical, whatever, but I told her like, what the fuck did you, like why'd you provoke? Stop, like don't engage in that shit. You know what do you think? People are gonna be like super cool with you just because you're like, oh man, you got me.

Starting point is 00:08:52 You're small than me. I'm not gonna freak you in. I mean, they might get a grip. Well, there's definitely, I definitely think there's, there's women that understand that and that use that to their advantage. I mean, I grew up in a home that was much like that. My, you know, I grew, those that mean, I grew up in a home. That was much like that.

Starting point is 00:09:06 My, you know, those that know, I grew up in an abusive home and not so much abusive to me, but abusive to each other as far as my mom and my stepdad. And I was the oldest. So when I got older, you know, when we were young, you kind of gravitate towards your mom and whatever mom says, if mom says that he's

Starting point is 00:09:25 an asshole, he's a bad guy. You want to blame him. But as I got older, I started to, I was in the middle of a lot of the fights. I was the one separating them or talking to the cops when they showed up to the house. And much of the fights that I saw that my parents had that went physical was my mom antagonizing my stepfather. I mean, I've literally seen her chase him around the house with a frying pan or a knife

Starting point is 00:09:49 and you know, he'd run into a bathroom and lock himself in the bathroom from her and then trying to yell at her with the door cracked open and her punching him through the door like, so I've seen my mom do some shit that, it's like fuck with, I mean, he has no right to touch you or put hands on you but at the same time too, like, nor do you. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:10:06 Like, where do you draw the line for her? And you know, she got to a point where once they had a record, this was really dirty, right? Once that, once the cops have been called out a few times on domestic violence like that, you know, he gets his strikes. And so once my stepdad had two strikes, you know, one more strike on domestic violence at that, he'll go locked up for a long time So my mom knew that and so she would antagonize that all time She would fuck with it

Starting point is 00:10:30 She would fuck with him and then when the fight would get really crazy and escalated She grabbed the phone and she'd look at him like take a step further My mother fucker and I'll call right now and you're gonna go to jail for two years plus, you know So she used to do that so she could totally fuck with him All she wanted. And once he had, once he had that, I saw one time, I'll never forget this fight where my mom had bruises all up and down her forearms.

Starting point is 00:10:55 And she had bruises because she was swinging at my stepdad and he was, he had his arms up over his head, covering his head the whole time and her forearms are colliding with his. And so she had all these bruises when the cops showed up to the house that you know he's she had blamed all the bruises on him for hitting her. And so you know one of his strikes came that way. Yeah right so you know and that's not to say that all women do that at all. No no no no no.

Starting point is 00:11:21 I would never. No no no never never say that but I think I, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, You know, a 12 year old kid with a knife comes at me. You know, they could hurt me with a knife, even though they're 12 year old kid. So I have every right to lay them out. So that, of course, always, but I also think there's that, you have to be able to judge like, okay, I know this person's yelling at me,

Starting point is 00:12:00 but they're way smaller, I'm way bigger, and as annoying as it is, I'm not going to physically assault this individual unless I have to defend myself. And even then, I would use force that is, I guess, justifiable. If I need to block, like, if a little kid's going to hit me, and I'm going to defend myself with full force, right? Am I blocked with my hands or something like that? So, but that's up to the individual. So I get all that, but yeah, man, no. Yelling and yelling and just yelling in general,

Starting point is 00:12:32 I know that it exists for a reason and it's effective in some cases, but when you're arguing with another adult or talking about things, I don't see how yelling helps for the most part. I feel like it only escalates and turns it into something where there's no more communication. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:12:46 Right, right. Now it's just who's louder and usually, and I mean from my experience as people, they can't like articulate what they want to say. So that's like the negative, well they get frustrated because it's like, well, they're not receiving what I want them to receive. So I'm just gonna overpower them by,

Starting point is 00:13:00 ah, raising my voice. Dude, I grew up in a, I mean, there was no abuse in my household, at least I don't know if it's, if you could be classified as abuse because it was verbal abuse. But dude, I mean, in my parents' culture, it is yelling is like, that's a part of the culture,

Starting point is 00:13:17 like everybody else. Oh yeah. I've been at, have you ever been at like, your friends' house and like, their parents get into it? Oh man, so awkward. That was where my parents were. Yeah, that was where your house been like their parents get into it. Oh man, so awkward. That those were my parents. Yeah. That was a good house. Been like, I was so embarrassing, dude. I mean, that was one of the hardest things about having friends growing up was like, it was my parents fought so much that it was

Starting point is 00:13:36 inevitable that if I had a best friend over, which is also why those that have been with me since like early years are like family to me because I spent a lot of times over there. like my, if all said, my parents were acting crazy, it was like, oh, pack my bags, I'm gonna go spend the night at my best friend's house for two or three nights. That became a very normal thing. But many, many nights,

Starting point is 00:13:55 and days where I had friends over and were playing video games and all said, frying pans and stuff. Picture frames are getting thrown across the house and shit, like, it's talking about so embarrassing embarrassing game like a kid in junior high or high school, like trying to explain that, you know, to so you know, you have extremely little tolerance for yelling. Oh, extremely.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Yeah. That's a lot of sense. Yeah, I like that, you know, and I'm probably, I probably, I'm sure I, I probably launched a couple of girls pretty early without. Pretty mature. Yeah, pretty mature. I was trying to call a cab you raised your voice right

Starting point is 00:14:26 that's not in my house you're wearing headphones no but hey all the all the worth it because I probably would have never made my way to to meeting someone like Katrina who is just on another level when it comes to communication I mean I think that uh you know we are the same person when it comes to like our beliefs with with that and neither one of us.

Starting point is 00:14:46 We could be very, and we've been mad at each other. 100% that's, we're seven years deep. Of course we've had our disagreements, but it'll be more of an intellectual battle back and forth. So it won't turn into screaming and yelling. Anyway, so what did you guys do after we got, because we traveled like crazy two weeks in a row right went to LA So I did Tampa were you guys exhausted? I was exhausted. Yeah, man. I was exhausted. I that night we got home

Starting point is 00:15:14 So we rolled in got was it like 11 o'clock at night when we got home. Yeah, finally, but well actually I actually waited for my wife to get off work So that way and then she did it. I did getting off from my wife to get off work, so that way. And then she ended up getting off there like 11, 30, I think, that we finally left. So yeah, it was a long night. It was a real long night. And then that next morning, I got up,

Starting point is 00:15:33 had breakfast with Katrina, had a few hours to kind of hang out with her, and then I was off to Dublin to hop in a limo and head over to Oakland, Where for the game or whatever. Yeah, my buddy took 20 dudes to the OKC and the warrior game. And he rented a suite and did it all up. Nice. Yeah, that was quite the experience. So we're on it down, huh?

Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah, I guess he just, he won a big settlement. He got injured at work and literally lost half of his foot. This has been going on for like four years. And forever he's been telling us like, I'm gonna get this big lawsuit, I'm gonna get this big lawsuit. And obviously it hit. Because he rolled up with this, you know, stretch tummer. And this sounds like office space.

Starting point is 00:16:21 Remember the jump to conclusion? Oh yes. Well, I just keep selling everybody on the idea that he wins the settlement. This sounds like office space remember the jump to conclusion Why just keep selling everybody on the idea that wins the settlement I just keep thinking of the worst dad joke of all time like he can go up to a girl But I got half a foot. Oh my god We were we did that we spent two days in the city went up San Francisco I saw I hate ashberry and the gym. Yeah, first we went to the young time.

Starting point is 00:16:47 Oh, dude, you know, happy I am that I have a girlfriend that likes doing the same shit that I like doing. Because I love, I love going to museums. I love staring at art. I love just sitting and imagining the time period it was made and examining, you know, what it took to make it. And I could spend, I could spend no problem eight hours easily in a museum.

Starting point is 00:17:11 And when I first met Jessica, she's like, I don't know if I like museums or whatever. We went to one once and she's loved it. So it was her suggestion. So we went over there and spent all day in the D-Young museum, which is like art and then they had African art and you know Pacific art and it's really cool looking at some of these things to see the Because you can see how different the culture was and their belief systems that created some of this stuff

Starting point is 00:17:40 It was really fascinating really really fascinating stuff So we did that and then the next day we went up to the hate and just hung out there and went inside the shops and had some stuff. So it was, we had a good time, man. Oh, I forgot to take guys on the plane on the way back. Did you guys, I felt so bad for her. There was this woman sitting in front of me, heavy sat one. Really big. Yeah, yeah, like she was a really big woman. And she was in the aisle seat.

Starting point is 00:18:06 Uh-huh. And everybody pumped her every time. Well, she was so big that, you know, half her body was in the aisle, basically, or at least a quarter of her body was in the aisle. She was young too. She was a really young girl. She was probably a teenager. Oh, no, I thought 20.

Starting point is 00:18:18 Maybe 20? Yeah, yeah, she's in her 20s. But, you know, the armrest that goes down, she had it up because she couldn't sit in her chair if the armrest was down and the stewardess comes by and's like, man, you're gonna have to put that armrest down because I guess that's if a regulations or whatever. So she had to stand up out of her chair, push the armrest down and then squeeze in.

Starting point is 00:18:37 Squeeze in. I see that no way. Squeeze in so that it was like cutting into her fat. Yeah, so that like you could see that her body fat was pouring over it because she was sitting in there and you know, I felt terrible. A lot of people listening to her like, well, it's her fault because of her, whatever. Yeah, I get that. Look, I tell you what, 99% of the shit that happens to you in your life is because of stupid

Starting point is 00:19:03 decisions you made too. You know what I'm saying? So hers is just obvious. It's visible. But most of the pain that we feel when something bad happens is our own fault too. So I don't, you know, I'm not angry or whatever and I'm not like, you know, bottom line is different. But I felt really bad. I was watching it.

Starting point is 00:19:18 It was a long flight too, you know. Bottom line is many, many people. Most people are self-sabotage in one way or another. And, you know, when you see somebody like that, I just see that the way that she's done that is through food, you know, like, so that is whatever pain or whatever, whatever she is covering up, it, you know, she's done it through food. And so I wish I was really, I wanted to sit next to her because I feel like if I sat next to her I could somehow Open up a conversation where it could lead to what I do for a living

Starting point is 00:19:52 Which then could maybe have her ask me some questions and I could Help her a little bit or show her some compassion some empathy, but you I mean I can't just walk up to somebody right like how would you? Excuse me. Yeah, you know, I noticed you're really fat Yeah, we were wondering if I can help you out. I'm a trainer. I have a fifth pocket. But I was sitting behind her and she had a carry on bag or whatever and she pulls her backpack

Starting point is 00:20:12 from under the seat, you know, in front of her. And I could tell she was stressed out because she had to put the armrest down and so people were kind of like watching whatever. So she reaches down, pulls out the backpack, opens it up. And I can see the crack in the chairs. She had in there a full thing of Oreos, she had a bag of Cheetos,

Starting point is 00:20:33 and it was just, it was a backpack of snacks, and she just started eating them, because obviously she's embarrassed and stressed and all that. Dude, it's a coping mechanism. If I could only have talked to her, wow, I didn't even catch that, dude, I didn't even know. I mean, I saw the girl, but I didn't even see all that. It's a coping mechanism. If I could only have talked to her, wow, I didn't even catch that, dude. I didn't even know.

Starting point is 00:20:46 I mean, I saw the girl, but I didn't even see all that happen. That's fucking crazy. It is, man. And she's, man, just the empathy, you know, but at the same time, yeah, so you want them to just like buy into another way to, yeah, another way to approach, you know,

Starting point is 00:21:03 stress and things that are happening in their life. And so it's really about the psychology, which we always try to bring out. She's an addict, a drug addict, it's just with food, but the complexity of the issue, we totally, we don't appreciate, or most people don't appreciate how complex the issue is. It's no different than using a homeless person

Starting point is 00:21:23 who's tons of alcohol and you're saying, oh, I could totally help fix that person with a couple things not really it's a very complex situation Oh, yeah, when you're that big. It's very complex. It's not as easy as they've already spiraled to that point Right, so how do you it takes a lot of work a lot of time to unwind from that? Oh, you don't put that on even in one year dude. You know that it that's a lot of work Year's and that She's so young. You know what I wanted to ask you, Sal, I saw when I walked into work today on the,

Starting point is 00:21:49 our sponsorship board that we have, Green Chef coming up. Dude. And I know you, did you try some, Justin or just you, Sal? I haven't tried it yet, but I'm really excited to do it, based off of like, what, how they organize it.

Starting point is 00:22:01 Well, I know, I know Taylor has been working on the sponsorship for some time now, and I've been really excited about it. So we've been approached by, I think if I'm counting right, like three or four meal prep type companies, okay? And I hate meal prep companies because here's why. I get the convenience, I understand that it's convenient,

Starting point is 00:22:24 you get food delivered to your door, many of them are already made, so you just gotta warm them up. But I don't, the quality's always terrible. Everything the one I've ever tried, I eat it, and I look at the ingredients, I'm like, this is terribly sourced chicken or fish. The food is not organic, if there's usually just bodybuilder driven.

Starting point is 00:22:42 It's just not, it doesn't taste good. Yeah, they're all designed to fit your macros and be convenient. Yeah, that's it. It's just not good quality. And so I don't wanna talk about it. Well, Green Chef, so Taylor had them send us some samples and I took some home.

Starting point is 00:22:56 So, a couple of things. First and foremost, they are mostly organic. 90% organic. Yeah, so their goal is to be 100% organic. They have paleo options, they have vegan options, they have keto options, they have. Tone of or option. Carnage.

Starting point is 00:23:12 I mean, basically whatever diet that you can think of, they have options where you can pull from, which I think is great because I'm difficult. Now the difference, the big difference too, is that I mean, all those other food companies, it's frozen food. Now this food, it's fresh, it's fresh, and you cook it yourself.

Starting point is 00:23:28 So here's what I did. So I took the samples and I went home, and I expected, because it came in a box, right? I expected it to be like prepared food already. But I opened it up and that's not what it is. What they've done is they've taken meals and they've given you all the measured amounts of the ingredients and very simple instructions

Starting point is 00:23:47 to cook the food yourself. So you're looking at spending, it took us about 15 to 30 minutes. So Jessica comes home, we open up the box and we're like, oh shit, let's go ahead and give this a shot and cook it together. Best date ever. Like, first of all, cooking

Starting point is 00:24:06 with your partner is one of the, one of the best ways to connect. And it's such a, it's a very sexy date when you're cooking together, you're getting your hands dirty, you're making something together, you're tasting things, you're feeding food to each other. You're pinching each other. Then you get to, you know, feed each other out. We were playing music, we were having a glass of wine where we're doing it. So it's not so prepared that you just warm it up in the microwave, but it's also not like, here's a mint, here's your recipe list, you gotta go to the store, get all the ingredients, it's all in there for you,

Starting point is 00:24:35 you just prep it. Right, because I kind of kills the mood. I could totally see this, because somebody that's like horrible at cooking like myself. I usually just hang out in the kitchen talk, you know the moral support But yeah, this will actually help me to interact a little bit more with with my wife Well, then the food was really fucking good. It was like legit Amazing food, so well, you know what you're you're paying for because obviously they're they're priced a little bit higher than totally worth your average

Starting point is 00:25:03 You know they're priced a little bit higher than your average, you know, pre-prepared meals that you would order like this. But I mean, you're not gonna get it fresh, you're not gonna get it organic like this. I mean, you're not gonna get it all delivered to your door. Yeah, no, it's awesome. I was excited, I remember when he first showed me the company and I know we've been talking to him for a while and I walked in, I saw in the board that, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:21 it's official now that we're doing green chef, I was pretty excited and I knew I haven't had a chance to eat it yet. So I'm excited to get some So the way I went the way I want to use it is when when we want to eat out or travel dude or travel But let's start having them send a send it ahead of time to our To the houses first that's 100% 100% would be a great idea But I like this one. It's like, you know, we want to eat out But there's not too many restaurants that you know We really like that good quality food or super expensive like what a great option like Friday nights or Saturday nights or

Starting point is 00:25:53 You know two nights a week whatever we get green chef and we prepare these meals together and then we feed the family So really really really impressed with them. So I'm glad we're working with them You know what else I want to bring up I thought this was hilarious was When we were on the plane at him and you and I think we were sitting in the same row and it was super packed So it's like a busy ass flight everybody's tired of ever and there was that dude that kept asking people if he could trade with them So we could sit next to the Justin Justin this is where Justin I are a lot of like Justin no hesitation no but no bro like I okay so let me let me

Starting point is 00:26:34 you were sitting as my person you're such a dick that was a dick that was a dick but you know what to be honest like I smelled like entitlement all over this guy in like this lady like you smell entitlement all over the sky and like this lady, like you smell entitlement. Dude, literally they're only objective with that is to sit next to each other. You know how many flights I've done with my wife or like we didn't get it organized, but we sat and fucking middle seats and toughed it out.

Starting point is 00:26:58 You know what I mean? Like that's your only excuse is like you wanna sit next to your wife, you know? Like, you know tough it out. Anyway, so I flew to Tampa in the middle seat already, dude. And so I'm like, I give him the benefit of it. I'm like, do you have a window seat or do you have an aisle seat?

Starting point is 00:27:14 And he's like, he's like, oh no, no, no man. So you're saying like, I need to now move from my seat to your middle seat. So that way you can sit next like, no. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, move on. Just as I'll know, I already sat in the middle seat on so that way you can sit next like, no. Sorry, move on. Just as I'll know, I already sat in the middle seat on the way over there. Fuck, dude.

Starting point is 00:27:30 You guys remember, I mean, I remember I talked to them, this was years ago. Maybe I'm not that nice anymore. Well, never would I ever. Because you said that, and then Adam, me and Adam look at each other, and Adam's like, he's all smiling because it makes him happy. That's my boy.

Starting point is 00:27:43 That's my boy. You know, and I'm thinking in my head, like maybe she has anxiety, needs to sit next for husband. I don't know what the deal is. Maybe there's being assholes. No, I don't. But then, of course, good guy. Somebody's shined in that moment, right?

Starting point is 00:27:56 Doug gave it up. Oh, Doug gave it up. Oh, dude, Doug. We could purify. Doug's a great thing on his part. Doug's a pushover. But at the same time, here's the other, like like double-edged sword to that move, Doug. I had to sit next to them the whole rest of the flight.

Starting point is 00:28:09 Oh. After doing that. So that was a little bit awkward. Oh, actually told them no. Yes. Oh, that's so awkward. Yeah, so I was in the aisle seat. They fucking sit right next to you that whole time, bro.

Starting point is 00:28:19 That was like, they wouldn't make eye contact with me. You know, I hear a little bit, you know, they go fucking, whatever. Ducks a guy, if we're all, if we're all like, it's like the end of times, and there's like scarcity of food and stuff like that, like Ducks a guy who I would like try and angle on to get the kids' food, you know. You would angle on them?

Starting point is 00:28:36 Yeah, I would, I'd be like, Ducks, I have an e-mail. I'm glad you warned me. Yeah. We all know what, I guilted him to give him some more food. We've seen on the universe, like so he ends up sitting next to some some lady that you know

Starting point is 00:28:47 They little flirty thing all the way back. Oh yeah, Doug. That worked out. What was that all about? You made a Southwest connection huh? You were talking forever to that lady. Well, she was very interested in what I was doing So I was editing a show and she was very curious what I was up to so I told her all about it And then I went deep into what Mind Pump was all about. And I think she's very interested in the show. Or you. Or you. Or I think it was the Doug effect.

Starting point is 00:29:14 Or Dougie fresh. How about when we got to, when we were at Tampa and we were sitting down at that restaurant and the two moms, the nurses, so they were, oh, medical insurance. We get there and there's, the two moms, the nurses probably 18 to 20 years old, sit down and these two girls obviously are attracted

Starting point is 00:29:52 to Justin, you can just tell by the way they're communicating back and forth and they're all into talking to us. And you know, the boy gets up and kind of like walks away and it didn't make sense to me. I actually thought that he was, they were closer and age because they struck me as only like in their 30s or so and I thought he was 20 so I thought maybe there were friends.

Starting point is 00:30:12 But it was the sun and you could tell he was irritated with his mom who was obviously. She was trying to get some bro. She was totally white. She was trying, she was, they were, first of all, they were smashed. Yeah. They were really, really drunk.

Starting point is 00:30:24 And she's like, I'm the problem. It's really, really, really, really, really drunk. And she's like, yeah, it's true. It's amazing. So what do you guys, your fit? Well, I eat the end. I'm like, whoa, lady. Calm down. I still calm down. Why don't you guys sit with us

Starting point is 00:30:37 and all of us collectively ignored that. She said that we're like, we're no would to answer. No, we'd rather not sit with you. Dude, so check this out, study just came out. How would you like to reduce the amount of days you get sick throughout the year by over 54%. That's a big deal. Yeah, a big deal, right?

Starting point is 00:30:58 So one of the factors is regular exercise, which everybody does if you listen to Mind Pump or you're on the show, right? You're one of the hosts. But exercise, which everybody does if you listen to Mind Pump or you're on the show right here, one of the hosts. But here's the other one. The other factor accounts for 29% of that. That's taking cold showers. They found that taking. I bet dude, what did I tell you guys?

Starting point is 00:31:16 The biggest, one of the biggest. I did that for a while, nice dude. I used to, do you remember the first year when we were together? The very first year I was sick on a, I've always been sick and I've always just contributed that to being in the fitness industry, sweaty people, hot boxes, touching weights, being around a lot of people, it's just like bacteria. Right. It's inevitable. I'm going to get sick. When we got into doing the hot cold dips, it was a fucking game changer for me. It's one of those things man. Ah see I do listen

Starting point is 00:31:45 It's one of those things when you see something that exists cross culturally and it's been around for thousands of years It's for a reason. There's something there. It's okay. It's no different than You know humans You know having a feature on their body that they evolved to have. The reason why we evolved to have particular features isn't because we mutated and created these new features. It's because those features were left over and they evolved. They lasted because they were valuable, right? Cultures have practices that last thousands of years

Starting point is 00:32:19 and don't go away because they're valuable. Doing cold shower, cold dip, cold contrast has been around for a long time. In Eastern European nations, it's still a major part of the culture. I could pull up videos right now showing school children running out, although they'll do a part of their daily practice when it's snowing outside. The kids will pull bathing suits on. They'll have them run around the snow, play with snow, and dump cold water on themselves. Children, they do this with babies.

Starting point is 00:32:46 And sounds like. Torture, but yeah, it's awesome. No, the kids are having fun and play. I know, it's crazy. Nobody's forcing. You can pull them up on YouTube, and I've been doing it now for a while, and I get a legit,

Starting point is 00:32:56 but now we have a study to show that the cold by itself, in this particular study, 29% reduction in sick days. That's a big fuck. There's no medication that will do that. particular study, 29% reduction in sick days. That's a big fuck, there's no medication that we'll do that. Well, just these environmental changes in your ability to react to them appropriately is something you have to keep training, right? So it just makes perfect sense that if you're like getting exposed to a little more extreme hot,

Starting point is 00:33:21 a little more extreme cold, that your body's gonna be more resilient. Obviously, when we talk about cardiovascular system, the central nervous system, we talk about all these other systems of our body that are, it's so important to train them. Why would it not be this way to, yeah, it's so logical. It is so logical.

Starting point is 00:33:36 And if there's ever a system that we neglect the most, this our temperature. I mean, when in history did you ever see this ability to in your house, keep it at 72 degrees, by the time you get in your car, I mean, I have the push start now, you know, I push start my car before you even get into it. So it's, so it's warmed up to just the temperature I like, like, because I only want to be cold for the 30 seconds of walking from my door to the, I mean, that's where, and then we get to our studio where it's climate controlled again. It's like, fuck, we don't ever deal with that anymore

Starting point is 00:34:05 No, especially somewhere here in California No, you you there's there's something to be said about strengthening your body and making it more resilient through If your body becomes more resilient it becomes generally more resilient So and you'll notice this when I start when I do cold showers or when I do you know sauna or contrast If I haven't done it for a while, I notice that I'm less resilient to it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's harder for me to handle it,

Starting point is 00:34:31 but if I do it consistently, it's like I'm strengthening my ability to handle the changing temperatures. Well, that's making my body more resilient. No different than when you work out in the gym and you just get started, you have a low tolerance for intensity, a low tolerance for, you know low tolerance for duration of workout or speed

Starting point is 00:34:48 or whatever, but as your body adapts, it becomes stronger and more resilient. And that resilience that you build from working out makes your body more resilient to withstanding illness. So it only makes perfect sense. So we just need the cold portion. We got the Sunlight and sauna, which you got to use right? Adam? Yeah, yeah. No, that's and which that's the infrared sauna is a trip. Have you guys have any chance to use it? Not this one. Wait, so

Starting point is 00:35:15 it's really, you really different, right? It's not like a normal sauna at all. And it took infrared heat. Yeah. Which is totally different than what I expected. It's not what I anticipated at all. And what I find fascinating is, you can totally have your phone in there, you can have anything in there, it's not gonna get all, you don't get this like moisture build up, the way the waves work,

Starting point is 00:35:38 and it doesn't heat the room as much as it heats your body up. The temperature? Yeah, so the wavelengths, the room as much as it heats your body up. The temperature? Oh, yeah. So the wave lengths, and there's far and near infrared waves in all those heaters inside there, or lights inside the sauna, and each of them project off a different, either near or far infrared, and it heats up your core temperature. So you'll be sitting there inside the sauna and it doesn't really feel too hot.

Starting point is 00:36:08 It never gets so hot where it gets unbearable. Like you know, some steam rooms or saunas if you've been in there for a while, you're like, Sam Brewer, it's unbearable. If I get some bearable, you can't breathe anymore. You want to get out because the air is so hot. The air doesn't get all hot inside of this thing, but you're, I mean, after about a half hour,

Starting point is 00:36:23 I was like dripping in sweat. So it's pretty, pretty fast in it. We just got to get what we don't have in ours yet, and we have it. It just, we haven't, I haven't figured out how to hook it up yet, is we have the TV, the DVD player, the, you know, I can hook the Pandora, Spotify up to it. There's a fucking TV in there. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm saying. Oh, so rad. We got the catalog. Did you do it with, you went, you went to Katrina, both years ago. Yeah, we used it. So the plan was for her and I to come here on Saturday morning. We guys make it I know we didn't do it. Yeah, not the first time

Starting point is 00:36:51 We got in there to I wanted to go in and read a book and and sit in there with her So or I'll listen to a book. So it has audible on it So our audible count all you do is put your username in it So we're at our audible count on there and And then for some reason the speakers aren't working. So I don't know if when the guys set it up, they didn't connect the speakers. I got to do a little bit of homework. I put your supposed to be able to, right? You're supposed to be able to listen to music. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, we have a stereo. It's got a super quality one. The one they sent us is, oh, no, I think we have a catalog of all of them. Like, it's the one of the most roomy ones.

Starting point is 00:37:24 You could fit three people in there, probably comfortably. It's really nice for two. I guess. Yeah, it's two pod tests out of there. We totally could actually. So that's why back to like how it doesn't really heat up in there, you could put gear in there. It'd be fine.

Starting point is 00:37:39 My phone doesn't overheat or anything in there. That's right. Yeah, we could totally podcast in there. Super wrapped. It would be kind of funny to do that. So I got some more news for you. So they just did scientists at John Hopkins University have found that there's lead arsenic, chromium,

Starting point is 00:37:57 manganese, and nickel in the vapor of vaping of e-cigarettes. Ah, mm-hmm. Heavy metals in there. And we know that those, that persistent inhalation of those have been linked to all kinds of cancers and lung, liver, immune, cardiovascular damage,

Starting point is 00:38:18 brain damage, and even cancer. And here's the crazy part. You know what else does all those things? Cigarettes. Yeah. So basically, it's funny, I read these articles and you know that tobacco industries lie, they're the ones that love promoting this shit. I'm like, ah, vape 6C are bad for you. You know what else is bad?

Starting point is 00:38:38 You're selling cancer sticks, of course,, it's not the vapor from these things, apparently that their testing isn't soup that much better for you. I don't know if they're comparing them head to head, you know what I mean? I mean, what do you guys think of that? Could I see a lot of kids now with these? So this is vaping tobacco.

Starting point is 00:38:58 Yeah, you see them, right? Where they do the big old cloud of vapor, whatever. Yeah. And it looks like a steam punk looking vape. I think it's a trend that will die. I think it's a, it's something it'll take. It'll, because I've seen way more of them than cigarettes

Starting point is 00:39:12 in California around here. Yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think it's going to last that long. I think you already see people talking shit about it already. It was like a cool thing for like a short minute. And then now it's already like a, it's like a trendy hipster, dorky thing to do now. So I mean, I guess if you were somebody that was a heavy smoker and it's, it's helped you out as your transition away

Starting point is 00:39:34 from cigarettes, then I could be, I can be pro it, but it seems to be like the new thing that all the, you know, 17 year olds to 20 year olds are, are hopping on as like the the new, the new smoking, right? It's as like the new smoking right it's now become the new smoke it's healthier for you than cigarette so it's cool to do it you know so I think when everyone starts realizing that it's not that much healthier for you to do it and not not only that but it looks stupid smoking that robot here's the thing like nicotine has got some you know clear effects on the brain and body it's actually a and I hate saying this because I know people are gonna be like, cool, I'm gonna go try it.

Starting point is 00:40:06 Nicotine is got in utropic properties. It does, and it actually has some brain protective properties for things like Alzheimer's dementia. No joke. Now this is a mean to go use nicotine to get those potential benefits because the negatives of the fact that it's addictive as shit, it definitely outweighs it.

Starting point is 00:40:24 But there's a reason why back in the day, people would smoke when they'd work really hard because the nicotine has got that. And we have friends that, who is it that uses the chewing tobacco? Is it Kyle? Yeah. Kyle Kingsbury and all those guys

Starting point is 00:40:37 who got on it. They got organic tobacco they use and all that kind of thing. Yeah, they're saying it's better for you or whatever, but it's still addictive, you know? But it's got those Neutropic properties where so I'm wondering if the whole biohacking community is gonna start chewing Promoting that right. Well, you see I could see it. You see all the ony crew over there I mean a majority of those guys are they were all dipping so they're all dipping and I know that people are just looking for something to use

Starting point is 00:41:01 Yeah, I think it's more that man. I think it I think the real benefits you're getting from it are so, come on. I mean, you're not getting much from it. I don't necessarily feel great from, I don't smoke, of course, so maybe I have to get used to it, but if I take a drag of a cigarette or definitely when I've tried chewing tobacco, I'm in a mess with sick. It's to my stomach. Yeah. Like terrible.

Starting point is 00:41:20 Even cigarettes. I could never do it. Even cigarettes, it's the effect is not, I don't necessarily like that when I when I went through my little smoking kick for a short minute there I was I like the effect of it. I hated the smell of it. That's what I didn't like. Yeah, I You can vape now It's too much effort dude too much effort. I'll stick to my role in my joints every once in a while and having that to set the That's the thing about marijuana is they've tried to connect it to Cancer forever and

Starting point is 00:41:46 there is no connection. And in fact, it has protective effects, but it's not because smoking is good for you because smoking is bad for you, regardless of what you're smoking, you are breathing in, particularly matter. It's because... It's the counter. Yeah, marijuana's got anti-cancer properties in it. Properties, there's cannabinoids in there that are anti-cancer,

Starting point is 00:42:05 so it's, I've tried to get in there. Anybody that's a friend of mine that smokes cigarettes, I always try and put them on marijuana. I'm like, dude, if you're gonna smoke like that all the time, fuck it, get high. Get high, at least you don't have to smoke as much. Yeah, you won't have to smoke, you won't smoke nearly as much,

Starting point is 00:42:18 and it's a lot better for you. So if you got to smoke, because I think sometimes when you get these people that are addicted to smoking cigarettes cigarettes half of it is just the Habit of rituals. Yeah, the ritual of Puffin on and all the time. I know there's all the Nick and team that can be very addictive in there also, but I Definitely think that some of it's just the habit of Going through the motions and smoking like that. Do you guys um, do you guys watch?

Starting point is 00:42:42 March madness at all you guys watch you guys know it's all? You guys watch you guys, I know it's going on. I mean, I used to. I know it's basketball. All the time. Yeah, so it's college basketball. And it's coming up right now. This is all, I mean, I follow a lot of that stuff. So I enjoy, are the brackets already coming out?

Starting point is 00:42:55 Like people filling them out. No, that'll come out this coming week, next week or two, you'll see all that stuff come out when the official brackets are announced. Right now, all the other tournaments that lead up to this tournament are happening. The reason why I brought it up was because I try and find topics with you guys that we can talk about that. You don't need to be like a fucking sports guru to have an opinion on this.

Starting point is 00:43:18 One of the biggest things in college sports right now that is highly debated is whether we should pay sports at the college athletes or not. It's been a long going discussion. Yeah. And it's, again, it's, it's big right now. I don't know what came out recently in the news that prompted again, but all over your talk radios and sports talk is, is this whole argument on, should we give a kid who's, you know, 18, 19 years old going to Duke University,

Starting point is 00:43:46 playing basketball, you know, should he get paid to go to school? What do you guys think of that? Do you think that? What are the arguments for and against it? What like, what are they saying? Well, what's the, well, so here's here's some of the things that when you don't, this is some, so a lot of schools, most schools, okay, especially big schools, pay players under the table. So let's say, I'm just going to say, because I feel like, so let's say there's, let's say, let's say the best basketball player in the country in high school right now, it happens to be some over here in California, some high school. And Duke University, North Carolina, all your big basketball schools see that.

Starting point is 00:44:22 And so they're all going to be recruiting this kid. Well, you know, of course, he's gonna get a full-ride scholarship. He's gonna get a full-ride scholarship to any of those schools. So a lot of the ways that some of these schools in the past would get the drive of this kid to come to school is, oh, your parents are poor and this and that, let us buy your mama house.

Starting point is 00:44:44 Let's, and they do a lot of, and they can't give the kid money, right? Because back in the old old days, it would be like a fucking cash, right? But that guy fucking, so now they have like these organizations, like so let's say you're part, like I went to Duke University 30 years ago. There's alumni that have money and wealthy and they love the sport in the game. And so they together put their money together and they provide nice things for these kids. So college life is a little better. Now all that stuff is against the law.

Starting point is 00:45:16 You can't do that. And really the game has been for the last 30 years. How to work around the system. The laws, the rules say you can't pay players. It's illegal to do that. Bottom line is these kids know that they're worth money, that they're the best of the best. I had buddies that were like D2 schools that got money and got paid to go. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've experienced some of that with people around me like superstars. Right. They find ways to know and incentivize them

Starting point is 00:45:46 One thing I wanted to bring up was John Calapari I think his name is he's the head coach for Kentucky You know anything about his approach to all this I thought it was like very interesting the way that he handles this with athletes coming in and out of his program because He actually attracts superstars. And so his approach is that his whole goal is to get you in the NBA as quick as possible. And so like all the rest of the coaches, like they can't stand. They think that he's ruining the purity of because they want to keep him in the sport.

Starting point is 00:46:19 They want to keep him in longer. Go through the whole program till they're a senior, you know, get them in on that end of it where he's like, no, fuck that. There's a time capsule that you have with performance with these athletes as far as longevity of their career, like opportunities like something might happen, and you know, this talented gifted athletes

Starting point is 00:46:38 not going to be able to actually get into a contract with the NBA. We're not paying them here in college. So, you know, the whole thing about getting your education is one thing, but like an NBA contract is fucking miles away from. Well, not only that, but the reality of it is that most of these guys aren't even,

Starting point is 00:46:55 they're not going to school, bro. No, if you're going to Kentucky, or you're going to Duke, or you're going to North Carolina for on a full-right scholarship, and you're a starter on the basketball team, your classes are fucking, you majoring in cooking, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:47:09 Like you're not, you get to do all your work. All that shit happens. Well, so I've seen it firsthand and it's like, it's a joke. So I have two questions. One is, is there a limit, an age limit to get into the NBA? You have to play one year of college. So only one year.

Starting point is 00:47:23 It used to not be that way. But it changed that because of people like him that have started to institute this, where I forget what they call, you know, his style of coaching. It's like a farm. And this was an NBA, this was an NBA role. They said, okay, you have to play.

Starting point is 00:47:38 This is just recent. So that's only been going, I think, for two or three years now, where we require, it might be a little bit longer. So stupid. They're also in cooots. Why? Why have that? So stupid. been going, I think, for two or three years now, where they, we were quite, might be a little bit longer. So stupid. They're also in cooots. Why?

Starting point is 00:47:48 Why have that so stupid? Right. So we want the kids to go to school. You don't give a fuck. Yeah, right. You really don't give a shit. It's obviously, it's obviously the college, the organization that manages the colleges, and I don't need to know anything about basketball.

Starting point is 00:48:01 And this is what a lot of people, and this is what a lot of people are saying about the kids. So now imagine you're a kid, like you're a superstar kid no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, athlete and you know billboard yeah you're marketing right so you're no ticket. Yeah your name your name is already becoming marketable in in college if you're if you're a big sports fan especially and that just goes for any sport you know you know one of the things what you do is you follow college you you want to see who the up and coming talent is and you know a lot of my when we were younger when we were were in high school in college, like we would buy college athletes jerseys, you know, so there's a lot of money that's being made off of these kids, that's being distributed through all the coaches and the organization and the school. And so the argument is, you know, why are these kids not making, making that money? And now there are some of these kids that are helping produce, you know, all this revenue for the school because of their talent

Starting point is 00:49:06 and their name, and then they're not, they're struggling to get by financially or whatever. But then there's the other side of it too that I think a lot of these big superstar name guys and girls for these college teams are, you know, getting favors other places or other ways. This is the way I look at it is, uh, if you, if something's going to happen, then making it illegal only forces at underground and, and we don't get to see it, we don't get to stare it out. So the way I think is, let the schools pay them and let's see, let's see what's going on, what's happening.

Starting point is 00:49:41 I, I don't think, and here's a thing, people say, well, they're exploring, they'll be exploiting the players. Actually, that's the opposite. They're exploiting them now, if there is any exploitation, although it's all voluntary, so there is none. But right now, like you said, they're making money off of people who they're not paying. And the only reason why they're not paying them

Starting point is 00:49:57 is because it's illegal too, because if there was no law that said colleges can't play, play, pay players. For sure, they they be paying them because that's how valuable they are. And for people who are pissed off by that because I know there's people listening right now that are thinking, no, fuck that, it's college. They're supposed to just be there for school.

Starting point is 00:50:16 We wanna keep it pure. Didn't stop spending so much money watching the games and you'll see that the money will drive and it won't be that way. But the reality is, it's got a massive pull. I personally, I don't watch sports, but I know people who don't even watch professional basketball, all they watch is college. They actually say they prefer it. So it's a major business for like all these networks. Like look at Northern Dame football, you know, that's broadcasted to like every single state because there's such a popular team. Right.

Starting point is 00:50:45 So, you know, it's mega business that they're making off of these kids. And so, you got to consider that as if it wasn't like that, you know, if it's structured in a way or it was just this college is playing this college and then, you know, only our fans are watching, you know, and cheering against your fans. And that was all it was. The funny part is different. I don't think you could, I don't think you ever could police it or even organize it the same way

Starting point is 00:51:07 that you organize it like with the MBA. And what I mean by that is like, okay, so let's say we opened up salary caps and each school was allowed to spend, you know, $100 million on contracts for athletes that are coming in. Even if you did organize it, you paid it. You still are gonna have people that, like I said, the alumni that are part of Duke

Starting point is 00:51:31 or North Carolina are these big schools that are gonna pay on top of that or spiff these kids on top of that to make them sway. Because if I can go to North Carolina or Duke and now that we've decided, okay, we're gonna allow these schools to pay them, but everybody has to be on an equal playing field, right? Because that's how you would do it.

Starting point is 00:51:47 You wouldn't allow, it's not fair for Duke to compare or compete with Cal, you know, financially, because the amount of revenue they generate for their basketball team, you'll never be able to get a player there. So you have to put some sort of a salary cap on it to make it an even playing field financially. But even if you even that playing field out to where you could play, pay. Still do those shifts. Yeah, you're still gonna have people that are, so I mean, I think to where you could play pay. Still do the other shifts. Yeah, you're still going to have people that are. So I mean, I think this let it all go.

Starting point is 00:52:08 I think they're athletes. Yeah. I think they're athletes and they're adults. So if there were children, I could see, okay, well, they're under 18. There's that argument, but they're adults. They can choose to get a job. They can choose to do all these other things anyway. Like, well, I see the other thing.

Starting point is 00:52:22 How are they going to work for anything? Yeah, like that was one of my arguments too, like being an athlete in college, like you don't have time to get a fucking job, you know, the whole, the practice schedule, the amount of like video time and like preparation throughout the week, they own you. You like, you don't have time to get a job,

Starting point is 00:52:41 I'm actually, you know, make any kind of a money so I can go out with my friends and like I have everybody pay for me to do shit. I wonder if they fear like more corruption with allowing the money to be less. You think it'd be less. Of course, if here's the thing, do you get more corruption in drugs with drug prohibition or less? You know what I'm saying? Like more, obviously because everything's forced underground. Yeah, but I don't know if you can still compare those two. I can't where you forced underground. Yeah, but I don't know if you can still compare those two.

Starting point is 00:53:06 I get where you're going with that, but I don't know if you can get this. Well, I mean, is there more, I mean, okay, let's put it this way. Do you think there's more back room deals and handshakes going on behind closed doors and college versus pro? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, well, there you go. Yeah. So, I don't, I think it's still slimy.

Starting point is 00:53:19 You're probably can still see slime, but at least it'll be out in the open slime, you know what I'm saying? Right. No, I think they should, I think it's silly that they have those kind of rules. I think probably, part of those rules probably come from, because it seems obvious to me from the little bit I know, so maybe I can correct me. The organization that covers college is what?

Starting point is 00:53:38 NCAA? That's right, that's the one of the main ones. So that's the college organization that manages it. It seems to me like the NCAA and the NBA are partners. And I feel like the NBA probably doesn't want the NCAA to pay or to allow their schools to pay, right? Because then they'll be competing directly with the NBA. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:53:57 Yeah, I mean, that could be. It could be, yeah. That's a good, because think about the amount of money. And again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not as privy on this subject as you guys are. But from what I know, it seems like there's certain college basketball teams that generate more revenue than even some pro basketball teams.

Starting point is 00:54:16 Like maybe the worst pro basketball team probably doesn't get as much, you know, selling many tickets and jerseys and whatever, or have as much pool as a top college team. Would you, is that comparable? Would you say no? It's comparable.

Starting point is 00:54:29 Um, that's a really good question because there's a lot of other, look at those, a lot of other factors with, with national TV getting involved because I mean, I'm most, your big college teams are, most of college arenas are four or five times the size of what, uh, an NBA arena is. Oh, yeah. So college arenas are fucking huge, because you have all the student and faculty and everything like that that are coming,

Starting point is 00:54:48 coming, coming, coming, and everything. Oh yeah, so like, so March Madness is that the finals for college? No, it's just, it's a tournament that they do in college, right? So, and it's, What are the biggest college basketball that it's March Madness? Yes, March Madness.

Starting point is 00:55:01 How does March Madness revenue wise compare to like NBA season and then NBA finals and stuff like that? Well, it'd be a good, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, March, good question though. I would love to. Because I'm imagining right now, if the, bring a very good point of what would be a problem. And I actually, it's why I'm glad I brought up you guys because even though you've got someone might be like, no shit about sports. Yeah, like you might be a sort of economics very well. So you understand that this is probably, it is not in the NBA's best interest to have college.

Starting point is 00:55:41 Because then if you're an athlete, but this, if I'm a college player, you know, go into a cool school like Duke or North Carolina. And get paid a shit ton. And I'm getting paid good money. I don't want to leave. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't want to go to the NBA.

Starting point is 00:55:52 But if I'm, if I'm, you know, still kind of, in the competition level is a little bit lower. So you're gonna get more time on the floor. And you're the man at school, you kidding me? Like I would want to leave college. And if I'm the superstar at college, like, that's what I'm saying. And you paid, you might not want to leave if you're a junior or a sophomore

Starting point is 00:56:07 and you're already getting paid shit tons of money or if you're playing for a top college and a pro team comes in and says, hey, we want to pay you this much money. Now you can go to your college and be like, hey, they're trying to recruit me. How much will you guys pay me to stay? Right.

Starting point is 00:56:23 So let me ask you if there's a salary cap. You know, it's a team. They would have to reorganize, get rid of some players. So think of it this way, and again, correct me if I'm wrong. The NBA obviously is the basketball organization. If someone, even with $10 billion trying to create a new basketball organization to compete with the NBA, they'd have a very tough chance, right? They probably would fail.

Starting point is 00:56:43 We've seen people do this with the NFL. Now imagine if the NCAA, all of a sudden got turned into a pro league right away. Would they be able to show, or at least have a chance at competing? They would. So I'm wondering if the NBA is the one that's like, hey, look, we're like, we don't want you guys

Starting point is 00:57:00 to start paying if it's kind of like in kahoot, you know? I don't know if they're in kahoot as much as they might be competitors. Yeah, the National Bassball Association is different. I think it's different than the NCI don't think they can get away with not paying them. You know, so it's like it makes the school more profitable. So why would they want to pay their? Doug, would you Google NCAA affiliation or connection to MBA? Well, you did say that there's a new role in the NBA that you have to play one year of college before you can go there. Right. I'm that feels to me like the NCAA negotiated that. You know, I mean, like they went to them and said, Hey, we don't want to

Starting point is 00:57:34 lose players. Maybe I don't know that's that's they might have. Yeah, because like so LeBron and what was the code became out early kevin good or go a guard that came out early right a lot of these guys skipped right past the college so they must have seen like uh... potential in that so that probably took them up into like you know reorganizing that idea and like letting uh... that be the the new standard of this way if you're a college and one of your main money makers is sports which it is right in some colleges that is how they make a majority of their money in sports.

Starting point is 00:58:07 I know this. And all of a sudden, you're seeing that kids are not even attending or there's a trend where kids are wanting to go straight to pro. You're going to lose your cash cow. I would, if I was the head of the NCAA, I'd go to the NBA and be like, look, we feed you guys quite a bit. Like I want you guys to make this rule that people have to stay for at least a year

Starting point is 00:58:27 because otherwise, we're gonna lose a shit ton of money. It feels that way to me, I don't know. I mean, it's definitely a valid thought, I think. Yeah, so anyway. Hey, did, uh, Organifi stop making the cacao bliss? Yeah. Yeah. I just heard that.

Starting point is 00:58:41 Who else here is bummed about that? Well, I was drinking it last night and I was thinking about that. I was like, this sucks, this might be my last bomb. This is cool. Well, so they're working on, I think, making their own version. I believe the person that makes the Calblist,

Starting point is 00:58:53 they affiliated with them, and now that person went off to do something else. So now, organify is creating a new, they're trying to work on something on their own. But, so that sucks, because I like to get palpas. Please don't get rid of the gold. No. The organified gold is by far the best.

Starting point is 00:59:12 That's amazing. Now become my favorite product. It's amazing. One of my clients, I got her on gold, because of just that whole ritual of bringing her, calming her body down before making a ritual out of it, at night to lower the anxiety levels, lower the stress levels,

Starting point is 00:59:30 and she's been drinking consistently the gold. She likes it. And she likes it. And she loves it. And anti-inflammatory properties it has to it, and everything has been real helpful. So I drink it with, I now mix my coffee with it

Starting point is 00:59:44 because I like the way it balances out the caffeine because if I just have straight caffeine, sometimes I get to jittery to do. Jittery, so I'm amped but I'm smooth. And I'm saying I don't get that weird, anxious feeling sometimes, I'll get from coffee if I push too much caffeine, plus the gold taste fricking good in coffee, so it's a nice little additive

Starting point is 01:00:05 But yeah, don't get rid of that because that is now becoming the product that I use the most yeah from Organify it was the green juice and that of the two I use the most But I think the gold is the one that I'm using even more so the green This quaz brought to you by Organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-edit edge. Try Organified totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com.

Starting point is 01:00:37 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from real girl, real budget. I was recently diagnosed with Hashimoto's. What is your opinion on the autoimmune protocol diet? What's the, do you know, do you know much about this? So anytime you, you're, you're talking about a diet or a protocol that is for autoimmune issues, they revolve around, at least the ones I'm familiar with, revolve around eliminating foods that have high potential for intolerances.

Starting point is 01:01:19 An elimination diet would be a way to individualize something like this. Whole 30 eliminates, gets rid of a lot of common food intolerances. The carbohydrate-specific diet, which people on Crohn's disease seem to be using a lot of eliminated these types of things. Have you had anybody with Hashimoto's before? I have, definitely. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:01:36 So this is when the immune system basically attacks the thyroid. And so you, and it's becoming much more common. In fact, the thyroid is one of the more common. And autoimmune that affects the thyroid? It attacks the thyroid. No shit. Yeah, so sometimes people on Hashimoto's will need to,

Starting point is 01:01:54 they'll need to take what is it, Synthroid or... Now, is it... I need to test for that. Do you know by levels of thyroid? I'm sure they find out from the thyroid first, and then they go back. Here's what sucks.

Starting point is 01:02:05 Sometimes, here's my wife, man. Here's what sucks. You could have low thyroid, and that could point to Hashimoto's or it could be something else. Sometimes your thyroid is normal, but you just have lots of antibodies. And so your body's not utilizing the thyroid very well.

Starting point is 01:02:20 And so there's further tests that you need to do sometimes. There's a lot of undiagnosed potential thyroid issues where people's thyroid seem normal, but they've got the symptoms of low thyroid. So they'll have the goiter where it kind of gets a little swollen in the throat, they'll have the side effects like coldness, slow metabolism, low energy. So it's kind of a... But they're getting better at identifying these types of things. But here's a thing about, you know, our opinion or my opinion on diets to help with autoimmune issues. Diet can help anything. And what I mean by that is what you eat has a profound effect on your health. And so whenever it's funny because who are we talking to?

Starting point is 01:03:06 We were talking to somebody, oh, I forgot who it was. It might have been Dr. Sean Baker where doctors will tell people like, oh, it doesn't really matter what you eat. Or you go to a doctor, you have inflammation, or you have psoriasis, or you have some other kind of chronic health issue. And then you tell the doctor, you know,

Starting point is 01:03:27 what about changing what I eat? And they'll say, they'll respond and say, well, you could try that, but you know, almost like dismissive, like it's not going to make that big of a difference. What you eat has a profound effect on your health. I don't understand why this is even, I know, it's not even debatable.

Starting point is 01:03:44 It's just like it's a reality. Of course, of course it does. Like, can you eat in a way that'll make you really sick? Yes. So the opposite is also very true. Can you eat in a way that will impact your autoimmune issue? Well, we know this, Western medicine knows this for a fact. Like, there's definitely things that they will have you avoid eating

Starting point is 01:04:05 if you have certain autoimmune issues, but then they tend to stop right there and not say something like, eat this particular way to benefit your body. Here's the thing with autoimmune issues. An autoimmune issue literally means that your body, your body's immune system is attacking your body and it can manifest in many different ways. Your immune system can attacking your body. And it can manifest in many different ways.

Starting point is 01:04:25 Your immune system can attack your skin. It can attack your joints like rheumatoid arthritis. It can attack your pancreas and give you diabetes. It can attack your thyroid. And in this case, Hashimoto's, it can attack your liver, it can attack your gut and give you crones. It can attack your eyesight.

Starting point is 01:04:46 Well, I just had a client just recently that had autoimmune issues. It wasn't Hashimoto's. I wasn't familiar with this one at all. And what do you think about this? This was my recommendation to her was, she's a big fan of thrive market. She shops on there all the time.

Starting point is 01:05:01 I was like, literally just do the drop down for keto and follow and just eat the foods off of there for a while. And then let's see how your body starts to respond from there. And keto or paleo. Yeah, that's what I was telling her. And the reason why those two seem to work really well for autoimmune issues. And I'm this is and I say, seem because diet and autoimmune issues are still lots of research going on right now. But if you talk to gut health experts like Dr. Michael Ruscio, they'll tell you like, oh, there's definitely a, there's definitely a, in effect, paleo and keto tend to avoid completely the common, the foods that people commonly have food intolerances to.

Starting point is 01:05:44 And that's, I think that's a good point. I'm glad you made that point because even when I said to her, I say like, we don't know for sure if this is not going to fix you. It's like, this is a great place to start though by eliminating a lot of these processes. Yeah, because any food can cause, exactly. Any food can cause an immune reaction and it's depending on the individual, but the common, the most common foods that we find that if somebody has food intolerances

Starting point is 01:06:09 or has autoimmune issues, then eating foods that contain gluten, eating dairy, nuts, soy, corn, let me think what else, legumes. Those tend to be the big ones, right? If you cut the egg whites as another one, if you cut those out, then you're usually, you're typically gonna remove most of the common problems.

Starting point is 01:06:32 This doesn't mean you're gonna be perfect because there isn't a huge individual variance, but what happens when you eat foods that you're intolerant to, I'm not talking about an allergy, by the way, because an allergy is obvious, to eat a peanut, boom, you get an allergic reaction. When I eat something I have an intolerance to, I'm not talking about an allergy, by the way, because an allergy is obvious. You eat a peanut, boom, you get an allergic reaction. When I eat something I have an intolerance to, it just, it heightens my immune system. And so it makes it more, it makes it hyper vigilant.

Starting point is 01:06:56 And so I'm more likely to cause these autoimmune issues to become worse or to get, you know, quote unquote flare ups. Like Adam, you noticed this with your psoriasis. Right. What foods have you noticed for yourself? Anything that I eat that's, if I eat anything in a wrapper of a box, it almost is guaranteed that I'm gonna see it.

Starting point is 01:07:14 And I don't see it instantly. I see it after I've made the habit of doing it two or three days in a row. So if I've been really good at sticking to a whole food's type of diet and I've been consistent and then I let myself go off track where I'm eating something out of a bag or wrapper or a box and then it's not right away. It's the second or the third day that I've allowed that in there and then I see the flare

Starting point is 01:07:37 up. So, I haven't nailed it down to a specific food that is causing it. I'm not sure. I think I have several things. Multiple. Yeah, I think I have multiple things. It's almost always that is causing it. I'm not sure. I think I have several things. Constable. Yeah, I think I have multiple things. It's almost always that way. Right.

Starting point is 01:07:49 I definitely don't think. I definitely, as much as I've played around with all the different types of foods, I haven't nailed it down to a specific food that I have. I can tell you this, okay, so, and I just did this other day. So, complete transparency. I was in the movie theater the other night watching Black Panther. And I had, and this is a recent thing that I've put together that I hadn't put together before.

Starting point is 01:08:11 Now, this just confirms what I'm saying right now about the box or wrap or whatever. So I had a box of my canis. Now, I grew up eating tons of fucking candy. I rarely ever eat candy now. And so, occasionally when I'm watching a movie or doing something like that, it's like, I haven't had one in a while. Like, I I'm gonna enjoy a box of my favorite candy or whatever So I'm eating my canis and we're watching the movie I eat at the beginning part of the movie. Well, I catch myself and I do this like

Starting point is 01:08:36 Subconsciously, I don't even notice I'm doing this because I have psoriasis and all these different spots in my body I'm I'm all said and picking at it while I'm watching the watching the movie. And it didn't take but maybe a half hour after I consume that. And so I'm noticing this now that, you know, it's hard to tell because I always have psoriasis, it's just whether it's flared up really bad or it's suppressed. So sometimes it's hard to pinpoint like, oh, is it really flared up right now? Or is it just kind of bad or is it because of this? You've been paying attention though. Right. So I pay attention to it more now. hard to pinpoint like, oh, is it really flared up right now? Is it just kind of bad or is it because of this? You've been paying attention though.

Starting point is 01:09:06 Right, so I pay attention to it more now. And so I've been able to put together, like, I have seen two things. I've noticed that if I have ice cream or if I have candy, if I have one of those two things, I do notice like, I'll have this tendency to want to pick or scratch at it relatively quick, right? Like right after it, both within the hour. So I notice that I want to, I want to get at it so I Don't know though for sure what it is. I do know they'll any client that has battled either psoriasis or any other autoimmune issues that I've put on

Starting point is 01:09:34 Either a keto or a paleo type of a diet 90 plus percent of them have seen success without yeah, so in this reminds me of when we had Dr. Sean Baker on who's talking about the carnivore diet and how he felt so good eating just meat. And my belief, and this is my speculation, but my belief is that individuals like him, because there's actually a community of people who just eat meat, like that's all they eat and they just, so they say they they feel best doing it that way. My speculation and I would, I wouldn't mind putting money on this, I would definitely bet money on this, that these people are in such a hyperimmune state that they have so

Starting point is 01:10:18 many autoimmune or so many intolerances to food that eliminating all of them except for the one that is the most nutrient dance and the one that is at least likely to cause autoimmune issues or intolerances, which is red meat, red meat's very nutrient dance. You could just eat that and not have a nutrient deficiency, you get your fats and proteins, which are central macronutrients,

Starting point is 01:10:38 that they feel best, not because their diet is great, but because they've eliminated all the stuff that is causing problems. I remember you kind of proposing that and then it just kind of went right over, but I definitely think there's something in that thought because even like assessing myself and kind of trying to troubleshoot

Starting point is 01:10:59 as to what the triggers are that set off my acid reflux and this chronic issue I've been battling with forever, it is, it's like just eating meat for a while for me, even personally, I feel like I don't have the same response, like certain things that haven't triggered, but I'm not gonna stay within just, that is my only source of nutrients, you know, like so reintroducing, you know, some things. Yeah, one thing is the time from there has been my sort of protocol.

Starting point is 01:11:33 A good starting point, depending, it depends how bad you are, but a good starting point, and this is from Dr. Ruscio, is Paleo. He says when people kind of want to generally figure out like what's going on and You know, they're in the beginning stages He said paleo is a good place to start because paleo Eliminates a lot of the common food intolerances that people have the problem is When I tell when I talk to people about eating paleo or eating keto or whatever is especially Excuse me from a from a food intolerance perspective. They don't realize just how easy it is to get things that, for example, gluten.

Starting point is 01:12:15 Did you know that certain marinades and sauces and things have like soy sauce? Soy sauce is full of gluten. A lot of people don't know that. So if you're doing paleo and you're adding soy sauce to something, but you're not, because some people do paleo and they're not super strict, they're just doing it for performance and whatever. But some people do paleo because they have autoimmune issues and they want, they need to be strict. But then they try paleo and they're like,

Starting point is 01:12:39 it didn't work for me. What the problem was that a lot of the things that you use, you don't realize that there's common, you know, those food intolerance foods in there. And the cool thing about Thrive is that they do that for you to categorize it. So you could literally go to Thrive Market, click on Paleo, and it's very strict. It's very strict. Yeah, it's very strict. So the sauce is on there, the product, everything on there kind of meets that.

Starting point is 01:13:03 And I do believe they have a gluten-free option too, which if you're gluten-free, you're not just avoiding gluten for the most part. If you're really gluten-free, you can't even have a trace of it, or at least you don't want a trace of it, and they've also categorized that. So what do I think of the autoimmune protocol

Starting point is 01:13:20 for someone with Hashimoto's? I think you should try it. And I, but if you do try it, be vigilant. Yes. You're not just dealing with, you're not going to fill it overnight. It's something that you have to do. No, and you're not just dealing with, you know, I'm doing this diet because I want to lose weight and I want to get better shape.

Starting point is 01:13:36 You're dealing with an actual autoimmune issue in which case even the smallest amount is going to prevent you from seeing the potential benefit. So if you do the autoimmune protocol, be strict as hell on it. Like literally, don't even let your food touch other foods that have potential, you know, intolerances to you. Be very strict. Do that for at least three months and then see if you notice any effects. But I personally know people who have had dramatic effects from changing their diet for autoimmune issues.

Starting point is 01:14:07 I had a client who had rheumatoid arthritis who almost completely, I mean like nothing. And again, I've talked to my about my gods before about carbohydrate-specific diet with Crohn's like almost total remission. Like that's fucking crazy. You know what I mean? So there you go. Next question is from Camilla Montaner. What is the best program for fat loss? Oh, I know why you take this one. Yeah. That's a tough, you know what?

Starting point is 01:14:33 Common question. Yeah, super common, right? If you're, I wanna make sure I answer this as accurately as possible because off the top of my head, generally speaking, that's an easy one. I can say maps hit, generally. And I'll explain that in a second.

Starting point is 01:14:47 But generally, maps hit by far in a six week period will burn more body fat on the average healthy person than any other program that you'll find. Now, when I say generally, the reason why I say generally is because if you're in a state of metabolic damage, if you've already come out of a hit style program, if you diet super extreme, let's say you just competed in bikini competition or you just ran a long ass 1200 calorie diet, then maps it will not be the best program for you.

Starting point is 01:15:18 That'll just cause more metabolic adaptation. And we'll be the opposite. In that case, that would go maps in a ball, like or something like that, where you're building the metabolism, but building the strength. But as far as just pure fat loss and a short period of time, maps it, hands down by far. No, a map set, I agree with you,

Starting point is 01:15:34 but I think that's, it's so true that if you're somebody who takes those orange theory classes or you're in the CrossFit, or you're into this type of explosive, plyometric type of work or training, and then you purchase our mapsit, and you're expecting it to be the fastest fat loss. I don't think you're going to see that.

Starting point is 01:15:51 But if that same person, that's end of all that type of training, and that's what they gravitate towards most of the time. If they were to do maps red, that would actually be the probably the greatest program for fat losses. It's so funny, we release maps here, right? And we put on there a warning and we tell people,

Starting point is 01:16:06 yes, it is the most effective fat loss program we have in that six week period of time. However, if you have metabolic damage, don't do it, if you're over trained, don't do it. So that's what we're trying to be is trying to maintain as much integrity as possible. And then I look in the forum and the people who are raving, oh my god, I love this program.

Starting point is 01:16:23 And I know these people because they've been in our forum for a long time. Some of them should not be fucking doing hit. And I am going to call you out, not on the podcast, but I am going to message you because I know some of you, because I've talked to some of you, you know, on the side and you would ask questions like, why can't I lose weight? I'm leading 1200 calories. And when I'm like, okay, your metabolic metabolism has been fucking adapted because you've done this for so long. You should not be doing that.

Starting point is 01:16:47 This is one of those things where we try to deliver the most education, the most direct kind of, like, look, start here. Like this is really what you need to do specifically. And we try and highlight all those type of avatars. Like if you're this person, this will work best for you. If you're this person, this will work best for you. If you're this person, this will work best for you. But this is where we start to flirt

Starting point is 01:17:09 in to what people, they really want. They want a high intensity style workout because it feeds this type of mechanism. They're like, they love that, they crave it. They know that if it's something that you have been doing, that it definitely does promote fat loss. It promotes a lot of burning calories. I mean, there's no denying that.

Starting point is 01:17:33 It's just that as trainers, we have this sort of integrity based approach to it where we really try to guide, teach a man to fish, you know, so that way you can make sound decisions on your own, but yes, that is an option. So, you know, it's there. It's there. Once you put the foundational work there. Oh, it's a luring. It's a luring because it's it's burned bad body fat. It's going to the top. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what, if you're in the right state, so if your body's not in this metabolic damage or whatever, and you do a six week map's hit program with good nutrition,

Starting point is 01:18:11 three to six percent body fat loss in a six week period, you could do that. You'd have to have good diet too, by the way. A program's not going to burn body fat on you if you have a shitty diet, but, you know, three to six percent loss in body fat can definitely happen and that's traumatic. Like if you're a 15% body fat guy, which 15% is kind of average body fat. You're not overweight, but you're not lean super lean. You're just kind of like your average dude. Maybe the dot dad body, right? That probably be around 15 to 17%. You drop 6% body fat. You might have a six pack.

Starting point is 01:18:41 That's a pretty dramatic change in a short period of time. So, yeah, definitely by far generally maps it will burn the most body fat, you might have a six pack. That's a pretty dramatic change in a short period of time. So yeah, definitely by far generally maps it will burn the most body fat. However, if this is what you've been doing, if you've been dieting super hard for a long time already, not the program for you in which case we recommend something like maps. Yeah, and a perfect world. I think you have one or two of our programs and maps hit is what bridge bridges you between programs or finishes off a program. I'm going to be doing that.

Starting point is 01:19:07 So I'm going to be doing that pretty soon. I'm going to phase my way out of our more traditional programs. I'm going to do hit for just a few weeks, but it's not for fat loss. I'm doing it because I want the conditioning because I haven't trained like that in so long, right? And I feel like my stamina is just to be great. I feel like it's terrible. Like we were running in the airport

Starting point is 01:19:25 And I was like, okay, it's time for me to start improving my stamina Next question is from Mike Peterson. How important is the mind muscle connection? Super super important. You know, it's funny One of the things I love most about what we do is we have the opportunity to talk with really, really smart people and I would never have the leverage or opportunity to talk to them if I didn't have a podcast. And recently we got to sit down with Ben Pekolsky. I knew you were going to go this way. And Ben Pekolsky is... Mr. Mind Muscle Mention. He is. He's a very, very intelligent person and which makes him a genius in the bodybuilding world,

Starting point is 01:20:07 because a lot of the guys in the bodybuilding world aren't very smart, unfortunately. But Ben is just a, he's a very, very intelligent individual, very objective, and we had some great conversation, and he said something to me that I had to stop and think about and examine in my own personal experience, because he made a claim, and his claim was there was two parts. He said, number one, nobody has weak muscles.

Starting point is 01:20:29 In other words, nobody has a weak body part. So if you can build muscle in your body, then all of your muscles can build. And the reason why you have a weak body part is besides muscle insertions and stuff like that, is because you have a poor, you have a comparative, comparatively, right? A poor connection. So he said that and I thought about it. I stuff like that is because you have a poor You have a comparative comparatively right a poor connection So he said that and I thought about it. I'm like is that true and I started thinking about the other thing

Starting point is 01:20:50 He said that was that was kind of crazy was if somebody has a weak body part He said 100% of the time that body part will have a very tough time connecting or at least be weak And it's most shortened position So let me explain what I mean. Let's say my biceps just don't respond like the rest of my body. When I go to test the strength of my bicep in its most shortened position, that's where I'm totally, totally flexed, then I'm probably going to be weak or weakest in that position comparatively.

Starting point is 01:21:22 So I thought about that, and I thought really hard about all the clients I've trained, I thought about myself and my weak body parts, and I think there's definitely some validity. I don't know if I could say 100% of the time, that's probably based on his experience, but I'm thinking about the times I've trained women with glutes that didn't wanna develop,

Starting point is 01:21:41 or when my lats didn't wanna develop, when I was younger or my chest or other clients when they had a weak body part. And I think he might be right. I think he's right. It's in that super short and position where they tend to be the weakest. And if you think about it, when you shorten a muscle as short as you can, then you try to squeeze into it and connect, that requires a lot of

Starting point is 01:22:06 mind muscle connection, right? A lot more focus. Yeah, it's the same concept within the FRC system, and that's really what a lot of it amounts to that connectivity you can get neurologically, so you can direct attention to joints, specific joints. So their whole approach is to really identify each individual joint first and get connectivity. So it's basically kind of like the bodybuilder mentality. They both reflect each other a lot where they're isolating. They're isolating joints. How do I isolate it well?

Starting point is 01:22:44 Tensing and anchoring and shutting off Abilities of the rest of my body. So I don't I don't get my shoulder to rotate with I don't get my hips rotating with it It's everything stabilized. Well now I freed up my joint to perform You know different rotations different functions. It's supposed to so similar to that now if I slow things down And I'm trying to actually increase strength different functions it's supposed to. So similar to that, now if I slow things down, and I'm trying to actually increase strength, like in the shortened position, like you'd mentioned, and like a bicep curl or something like that,

Starting point is 01:23:13 and I really connect and squeeze to that, and now I incrementally make my way through the full range, but I'm connected to that whole process. I mean, that's a whole new landscape of stress. This is why attention is so effective. When they do studies on applying isometric tension to regular routines, there's a profound benefit in strength and muscle. And I think it's because when you're doing isometric, you're connecting to it rather than moving

Starting point is 01:23:40 away where you use momentum. Momentum and other muscles can help. Absolutely, control. And the best, I mean, let's say what you will about bodybuilders and their training or whatever, easily I can make this claim all day long. The athletes that have the best control over individual muscles bodybuilders. Oh, 100%.

Starting point is 01:23:59 By far, 100%. They're very focused. I can take the same exercise, like let's say a lap pull down, and I can make that work so many different Muscles for sure just put just by mentally connecting as you as you pull down now sure in general your lads and certain move Certain muscles are going to be engaged, but you can definitely put more emphasis on different parts of different parts of your body that Perform a similar movement just by mentally focusing on it. And I think that's something that bodybuilders are trained to do

Starting point is 01:24:29 because we're trying to isolate these parts and develop these parts of our body that don't look to proportion to something else. Where the average person is that's just trying to be healthy or in shape or an athlete that's trying to perform, they're just trying to move and they want their body to move together. Well, a bodybuilder is a sculptor. I'm looking to, I don't care about moving the weight or the most weight possible. I care about specific muscles that I'm trying to address are getting most of the load.

Starting point is 01:24:59 And there it takes, I mean, I love training this way. This is how I trained all through my competing. And this is how I trained all through my competing, and this is how I wanna get back into training. It's the difference between, it's like chess. You know what I mean? It's like chess, it's the chess of working out in the sense that you have to be really concentrated and intricate with feeling particular

Starting point is 01:25:16 rather than perfecting a movement where, I mean, athletes, I think it really, I think it's one of perfect movements. I actually think it's, I think it shapes our body. It should be a precursor. So like, I look at it is like being Being able to connect on a high level But you know, it's really challenging to get from that focus now getting into the gross motor movements and and perfecting the mechanics with

Starting point is 01:25:38 shutting certain mechanisms off so like you want it like for instance if you're deadlifting But your natural tendency is to now I want to pull it, you know, with my arms and get my biceps and everything involved where now I have to like use this as an overall gross motor movement. It's tough. It's a tough transition. Well, I see I can tell by looking at somebody's body in the, in the gym, I think I believe how good of a mind muscle connection they have. I literally feel like I can walk in a gym and I could see, and eat.

Starting point is 01:26:08 We have an example in this room. Like the difference between, remember that day, okay, we all worked out with Ben Pack, not this last time of the time before. And Ben was walking over to Justin Law and doing stuff with him with his workouts. Now this has nothing to do with the fact that Justin knows how to work out.

Starting point is 01:26:25 He's a fucking excellent trainer, but Justin's an athlete first, and a bodybuilder fourth. Like if you go down the list of things that he is, he's an athlete number one, and he only trained like a bodybuilder, probably for a short period of time. So the way you train and move the weights was very different than the way me and Adam move the weights

Starting point is 01:26:44 when we're training like bodybuilders. Right. Because it's something we've practiced a lot. Yeah, as a start, there's a destination, whereas the way that he was trained, say it's the rear delts. That was the one that was the most awkward for me, because I haven't educated my body as far as the mechanics involved with trying to isolate the rear delt specifically from that position.

Starting point is 01:27:07 And so it was like a foreign animal to me. So yeah, it's definitely like, I mean, training that you're patterning, the whole time you're patterning the sequence and it's something that becomes a default. And so yeah, for me, that was like an alien concept that just shows me that I could, I could spend some time with that and get some benefits.

Starting point is 01:27:27 Well, it all just depends on what you want, right? That's right. You don't tend to care that much about looking a certain way, so who gives a fuck? You know, I'm saying because if you care more about moving and your body working synergistically together and you do that very, very well, what I think I do really, really well is I can grab any piece of machine or dumbbell or weight and I could fire whatever muscle I want and I've now seen the effects of that. It's created a more shapely physique.

Starting point is 01:27:55 I mean, I've been able to shape, I mean, I remember being told that I had horrible shoulders and no rear delts and that's a strength of mine now. That's a strength of mine because I've gone, I've gone to the drawing board. But do you remember the process of learning, I connect to them and feel them?

Starting point is 01:28:11 Yeah, you know, I mean up into that point, I did shoulder exercises. I did the ones that you always see in the magazines or I do do what I saw that were there. Like I wasn't performing movements with an intent. Like I later on learned to do, and I saw a huge difference in the way my butt now, put me against someone like Justin,

Starting point is 01:28:32 who has been training more like an athlete, and if we had to do a bench press competition, I would say he would outperform me in a lot of movements like that, because he will get that weight up, and he's taught his entire body all the way from his toes to his head to engage to get that weight off of his chest where I don't train that way.

Starting point is 01:28:53 I control it with a four second negative and pause and then come out. I was trying to feel the packs. Exactly. I don't want to fill it in my legs. I don't want to fill it in my core. I don't want to fill it anywhere else but my chest. And so I won't be able to probably move as much weight, but I've learned to control it that way and keep it in an area that I'm trying to develop.

Starting point is 01:29:10 And it's changing. When it comes to sculpting your body, okay, movement makes a big difference, especially initially, learning how to bench and squat and deadlift and do the good form. But after a while, like, if you want your body, the mind and muscle connection is everything. I mean, it really is. It's almost everything. I can almost, how many times have we had clients that have come to us and said, oh, I can't build my butt?

Starting point is 01:29:33 And I don't go have them do a bunch of great butt building exercises. First, I get them to connect to their butt. And then we do the butt building. It's like, look, we did a mod, right? What is it that? Step A. The butt builder bundle that we have? We, where we combine maps and a ball,

Starting point is 01:29:49 like in maps aesthetic, I believe. And we put a mod in there that's specifically designed to give you the mind muscle connection because there's a lot of different ways your body can squat. And if you're trying to develop your glutes, then you wanna have a good connection with your glutes so that when you do this squat, the glutes are firing the way you want,

Starting point is 01:30:06 and now they develop and you sculpt the body. I did wanna say something real quick. The FRC, you guys were comparing it in a previous episode to, what was it, P, P-N-F? P-N-F, here's one of the big differences. FRC, when you're in a position, you have a progressive tension, so you're flexing the muscles that you're actually stretching, but you also do regressive,

Starting point is 01:30:27 where you flex the muscles that are shortened. The P, the... PNF. PNF doesn't do that. PNF is all progressive, so that was one of the big differences. I want to say that because I got a message from somebody who's like, no, and they listed other differences too, but that was a bigger one. Yeah, no. By no means is it the same thing?

Starting point is 01:30:44 It's just comparable. Yeah, we're seeing is it the same thing. It was just comparable. Yeah, yeah, we're seeing it's the same thing. They've built on that science. They've built on that information. Pales and rails is definitely like, it's a reflection of. Yeah, and I'm a huge fan of Ken Stretch, and I use that only.

Starting point is 01:30:59 I don't even use PNF, because I think of it as a superior way of utilizing some science, and we've built off that. And even with PNF because I think of it as a superior way of utilizing some science and we've built off that stuff. And even with PNF ice, the use, so I would use somebody else like to help me stretch my way through that, right? Well, that's what PNF at PNF, you have to do somebody else, which is the FRC you do.

Starting point is 01:31:18 And that is the big difference is you're not getting an outside force, you're having to connect to that like you're saying right now. So that's a major difference. Make sure you go to the app store and download our app to listen to our podcast. You can actually search different topics and stuff in the app, pull up the shows that are better than Angry Birds.

Starting point is 01:31:37 It's free. It's also free. So go do it. I always get excited when Ben comes into the studio. It's always nice to get caught up with him. He's a good friend of all of ours and. A great podcast. And yeah, and I'll be honest,

Starting point is 01:31:50 like we just don't have enough, I don't even have time to listen to my own podcast. So a lot of times I don't get a chance to listen to all his episodes. So one of my favorite things just to ask him is like, dude, who of you interviewed recently that it's like blown your mind and he normally gives me a couple episodes

Starting point is 01:32:02 that is just phenomenal to listen to. And he interviewed the guy, and we've actually, the funny part about this is we've actually performed some of these extras that we've taught some of these guys used as techniques in our programs. Right. Which is great. And Ben Hill airplane, right?

Starting point is 01:32:15 Yes. Yes. And Ben had the privilege to interview him. What was the name of the episodes? How do you know? The episode was how to get extreme Okinawan strength, three ways to fix low back pain, and the best core exercises. And it was with Stu McGill,

Starting point is 01:32:29 who's like this brilliant, brilliant individual that understands how to work and correct back pain. In the episode, he talks about how to clinically study like the best back pain exercises with EMG. So you can see how muscles are firing using that technique. He talks about which exercises have been shown to actually reduce back pain exercises with EMG. So you can see how muscles are firing using that technique. He talks about which exercises have been shown to actually reduce back pain,

Starting point is 01:32:49 because they're not all the same. And then he also, didn't he write a book? Is it was it the gift of injury? Yeah, the gift of injury. And that was about how he rehabbed a power lift or who took the, basically the guy was like not gonna be able to move anymore. Anyways, that is a great episode

Starting point is 01:33:04 to make sure for you guys to tune in too. So make sure I know a lot of people that listen to our show, also listen to Ben, it's tough to consume all of the content. So I always like to get caught up with him and find out. We may have to steal him as a guest next time. No, I think that's a great, especially since we're still on his exercises.

Starting point is 01:33:18 Yeah, exactly. Please, please, please, please, please, get him our show. Absolutely, so the podcast, Ben Greedfield Fitness, go check that episode out. Thank you for listening to Mindpunk. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbumble at Mind Pump Media dot com.

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