Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 718: Detriments of Eating Post Workout, The Correlation Between Fitness & Business Success, Why Humans Haven't Adapted to Processed Foods & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pong, don't do that. Dude, current events were dropping you for like 56 minutes? 56 minutes. Dude! Current events and introductory conversation.

Starting point is 00:00:24 Did you preach at the beginning or was in the middle? It was around the we felt like talking a lot. It was fun. It was fun. We talk about the changes of priorities and tastes as you age. Oh, yeah, I like wearing not food more like things that you're into. Yeah, I like wearing white briefs now. And I mean, tidy wide East. Yeah. We talk about the importance of dental health and believe it or not, it's connection. Right. Could your gums be fucking your tummy up? Your gut health. This was a South speculation moment.

Starting point is 00:00:53 I bet you I'm right. We talked about your two selves. Trust me, you're not going to want to miss that part. It talk, I talk about your tyrannical dictator that you create within yourself and we talk about creating lasting Change we also mentioned some interesting current events the printing of guns. It's here. What? It's here. I'm scared you get download a gun now Gun control my ass. Good look banding those we talk about me both theft Just you know some knowledge I decided to bring you.

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Starting point is 00:02:37 So if you're one of those people that likes it fast forward or. Yeah, I like details, like highlight in bullet points. Just go to mind pump media.com, check out the show notes. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, we've talked a lot about post workout eating, but are there any benefits to fasting after a workout?

Starting point is 00:02:54 So like, what if you waited a few hours after a workout? Are there any benefits? You'll be surprised. There actually are some, find out in this episode. Then we talked about somebody asks us, if the body adapts so quickly, why aren't humans adapting and evolving to be able to utilize highly processed foods?

Starting point is 00:03:12 Like how long is it gonna take before eating pop tarts and frozen pizza is good for us? Yeah, we're just not letting these weak people die. We need to get the bots to fight it. That's the only help. That's it. Then somebody asks us, what is the correlation between fitness success

Starting point is 00:03:29 and business success? And is there one? Is there a correlation? The answer yes. And no. But we have a good conversation. So listen to this episode. And finally, if we get big enough,

Starting point is 00:03:41 not muscular-wise, we're already as big as we wanna be, especially Justin's glutes. Yeah. If our show gets big enough, not muscular-wise, we're already as big as we want to be, especially Justin's glutes. Yeah. If our show gets big enough, how are we going to maintain our authenticity? I think this person is saying, like, are we going to go straight to hookers and blow? Exactly. Is that going to happen? Is that going to happen?

Starting point is 00:03:59 No, already has happened. Hey, just kidding. We got it out of the way. Just kidding. Just so you guys know. That's right. Totally joking. Sorry, honey. Also, look, we got it out of the way. Just so you guys know. Totally joking. Sorry, honey.

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Starting point is 00:05:38 it's free if you get any bundle, if you enroll in any bundle for this entire month. If you want more information, just go to mindpumpmedia.com. I was watching Bryant Gumball. I don't know if it's like getting older, but now I like some of these sport shows and things that are more,

Starting point is 00:05:55 God, what's the word I'm looking for? Are you familiar? I doubt you are. You kind of know Bryant Gumball is. He does real sports on HBO and it's kind of a, it's normally like an hour. They kind of combine like news with sports. He's like a nerdy black dude, right?

Starting point is 00:06:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Exactly. And so I didn't really watch it much as a kid. I mean, he's been doing it forever, but I'm drawn to it now. It's kind of funny. I was trying to unpack that and figure out. When old. Yeah, that's it.

Starting point is 00:06:19 I had that moment. It's happening, feeling that, but bro, how many? I mean, you start listening to talk radio. I guess now podcast, you don't listen to music anymore. Like when that happened, It's happening, feeling that, but. Bro, how many? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:06:29 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:06:37 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm music, I make a conscious effort to never like fully consume one and not the others like I always try and like kind of rotate because they each

Starting point is 00:06:49 Provide different things for me sure that I value and that I enjoy and so it's not like a I don't want now, but I and it makes me really appreciate it like because I did really I was as a kid really really into music like big time Yeah, I've been making an effort to try and keep that established or like look for new bands, new sounds and stuff, but at the same time, I'm so motivated to, you know, listen to audiobooks right now, and like really diving into that. I'll tell you what I noticed with music is that, so you know, Jessica's eight years younger than me, right?

Starting point is 00:07:18 So she's, that's a decent, it's not a huge age gap, but it's enough for me to notice the difference between someone who's a different, eight years. So I can tell, it's significant. It'll show you the age gap, but it's enough for me to notice the difference between someone who's eight years. So I can tell it's significant. It'll show you the difference between, you know, younger and older. I can't realize you guys were having that experience for some reason. I mean, because she's very mature. Oh, she's super, super wise.

Starting point is 00:07:36 She's always been that way apparently. Her family says that when she was like six, she'd have these like really deep conversations. So it attracted me most of anyway. I'll come home sometimes and she'll be cooking or doing something and she'll have the music on and it's just fucking loud Like it's super loud and I'll walk in and I'll be like I can't like it's too loud can we turn it down a little bit? And I used to beat it. Oh, it hurts my ears. I used to be that way when I was two Did you have a stereo system in your car ever? Yeah, dude, I used to have fucking subwoofers. I used to love that.

Starting point is 00:08:06 Now when I listen to music, it's like, Did you check yourself mentally? Like, oh my God, did I just say that? Totally. Even in the car, she'll want to turn it up and I'll want to turn it down and be like, I can't enjoy it, it's too loud. Oh God, no.

Starting point is 00:08:20 It's sad. Tell me that doesn't happen here. Oh, it does. I catch my, I'm with Justin though. I have these moments and I kind of check myself, you know? I'm trying to push it off. Right. I think though it's not,

Starting point is 00:08:32 like I got annoyed by one of my nephews, Katrina's nephews because we are all, they always want to drink and party. And I forget what it's like to be 21 to 24 and like that's what you're doing. Like that's all you're, like you just have so much energy to do. You look at it like doing.

Starting point is 00:08:45 Yeah. And they like get mad at me because I don't want to take fucking shots on like, you know, Friday night at whatever time that they're going to out. Because they're not, they're not, they're not in general. Right. Like I don't want to get fucked up anymore. Dude.

Starting point is 00:08:57 What appeal is left there? But I check myself. I go, I can't be mad at them because now I sound like a fucking old painting in the ass. I can't, I can't get down. Yeah, but I sound like a fucking old painting the ass. I can't get down. Yeah, but why do these things happen? Your body changes. Like for sure, if I go party with shots, it's going to take me a decent four or five days

Starting point is 00:09:14 worth of recovery. Especially, Yeager. And I got to work. Yeager. So a lot of these 20-year-olds, you don't got to work, dude. You can just fucking sleep into whatever. My kids, they're not hung over like I am. So, you know, 7 a.m., they're up ready to fucking rock and roll.

Starting point is 00:09:26 I would hope they're not in there. It's just not, yeah, yeah, that's, you know what? That's the other idea. That's another idea, right? Like, oh, you know what? I'm gonna have to wake up early tomorrow because the kids, I don't need everything. Yeah, I changed everything.

Starting point is 00:09:37 Oh, yeah, I changed everything. Don't you, I kind of getting, circling back to the whole, me getting back to listening to all these and rotating. And I feel like it's, it feeds your in a sense and I and I wonder if like This is part of the process of dying is that people just you start to Wow listen listen like I'm sick. I'm sticking with it and it starts at one point where you start letting go of these things that that do feed you and And let think and then we make this excuse of it

Starting point is 00:10:00 It's just not a priority anymore But when you think back like those there's a lot of joy or a lot of things that came from those things that you've kind of let go or you no longer do anymore. I think it depends. I think it depends on if you start to... Part of it is you... If things feed you differently or different person.

Starting point is 00:10:15 I believe that. I believe your priority shift. I mean, we know this. I mean, on a cellular level, we're a whole different human within seven years. Yeah. And it's kind of funny how that works because if you look back, you seven years. So, and it's kind of funny how that works because if you look back,

Starting point is 00:10:26 you seven years ago was really different than you probably three, and that year's kind of makes sense. But there's also the emotional change in growth. I could think back and think of one or two year periods where I was drastically different in a short period of time because of some kind of an event or life changingchanging something or Realization I had so you just grow and change and like I didn't appreciate like I used to love

Starting point is 00:10:55 Going into busy areas with lots of people and I still enjoy that don't get me wrong. It's still fun But now I appreciate going being around less people differently and call it what you will I just think when you're younger, you find excitement and new things, and then when you get older, you, I think you just, because why is there, I don't know. It's more comfortable with your own skin. I think you refine your taste. That's probably true.

Starting point is 00:11:14 You know what I'm saying? You find out certain things that feed the soul or feed what you, your things that you want. Well, think about this way. When you're a 20 year old kid, you just wanna have a lot of sex, right? You're working your way through all the novelties.

Starting point is 00:11:29 You just want to have a lot of sex, right? So much to the point that almost everything that you do throughout the week kind of revolves around. Just having a lot of sex, right? Volume, volume of sex. Then when you're 30s, you go for the, for the, for the, for the hogging. Yeah, then when you go for the, that sounds like a good idea. Wow. Wow. hogging. Yeah, then when you go for the that sounds like a good idea. Wow.

Starting point is 00:11:45 Wow. Hogging. Yeah, I haven't heard that term in a long time. It happens. Yeah, that's a that's last resort. Yeah, but when you then when you hit your 30s and 40s, it's like you don't necessarily want just a bunch of sex. You want really good quality.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Yeah, you know what I mean? So like I don't I might not want to like get smashed a lot now But but when I do drink I want quality like I want to like it needs to be meaning not just me getting smashed I want to just who I'm with when I'm drinking the you know the the reasoning behind it changes So I guess you're right. You just refine right? I just refine your taste dude. So let so yesterday this happens to me every once While I was sitting there and I just started thinking. And sometimes I get into these states of mind where I get just this, just flight of ideas and many of them seem, like, breakthrough to me.

Starting point is 00:12:35 And it just happens, like, I'll be in the state of mind and I'll get one. And I'll fucking write down. Should we be sharing this on air? Absolutely. Why? I don't know, you can give some brilliant idea, Roy. Should we talk about this first? Let's not monetize this on air. Absolutely. Why? I don't know, you can give some brilliant idea, should we talk about this first? Let's not monetize this. Oh, no, no, no, this isn't something.

Starting point is 00:12:49 It's just a concept. Oh man, it's just a concept. So I was thinking about the process of developing food intolerances, leaky gut syndrome. And for the listeners who may not know how that works, is when in the context of inflammation, the gut, the junctions between

Starting point is 00:13:06 the cells of the gut that separate your U from what is inside or inside your gut, which by the way is not really in your body until it goes through the cell wall and gets absorbed, that cell wall, when it's inflamed, the junctions space out and then food particles or molecules or protein particles pass through when they're not supposed to and your body recognizes those as fornenvators develops antibodies and now you have a food intolerance and this is why all of a sudden foods that you could normally eat,

Starting point is 00:13:34 you now can't digest them anymore, they bother. They rejects. So that's what leaky gets in drum or the medical term is intestinal wall hyperpermibility. So. How common do you think this is? Because we were talking yesterday with Dr. Mali, and we kind of asked this a little bit,

Starting point is 00:13:49 like how common do you think that it is for people to have leaky gut, some sort of leaky gut syndrome? I think in the context of modern lifestyle, it's probably very common. It's probably way more common than people realize. It is, and yeah, it in various forms, right? Because it's gonna show up in different forms.

Starting point is 00:14:06 That's right. If we had to put a percentage on it, what would you guesstimate? I mean, just based off of the experience of people that we've dealt with. Think about the average person you've worked with. Think about some of the issues that you've worked with them through that maybe you weren't aware of,

Starting point is 00:14:18 that could be connected to poor gut health. I 100% believe more than half. Oh, I think it's more than that. I think it's a lot more than that, especially as you get older, because it's just more time. Right. You know, like, find me a 30-year-old

Starting point is 00:14:33 who now can't eat a food that they used to be able to eat 10 years ago. You know what I mean? It's gonna be hard. I know you most people can point to one thing. Now find me someone that's free of some type of mild autoimmune type issue, whether it be a skin issue, digestive issue. And then tell me how many are suffering from some of these things and don't realize how their body is expressing it because it's different than

Starting point is 00:14:56 when everybody else they've heard. So I think it's way more common than we realize, unfortunately, we don't necessarily have a test for it until the symptoms show up. And it's inside your body, so it's not like your skin where I can look at my skin and be like, oh shit, my skin's inflamed. Like we can't really tell what that looks like unless it's like really extreme, right? So I was thinking about this and I'm like, huh, the digestive process begins in the mouth, right? And I know that, and there are studies that show this that,

Starting point is 00:15:27 if you have bad oral health, let's say you have your gums bleed, which is actually quite common. It's actually quite common that people have gums that may bleed when they brush their teeth or when they floss. They've actually shown that if you have some type of gum disease, even mild, that it's strongly correlated to heart disease, and mild, that it's strongly correlated to heart disease.

Starting point is 00:15:46 And they think it's because bacteria travels through the gums into the body, can get to the heart cause inflammation of the heart. So now I'm thinking, holy fuck, you're eating food in the context of poor oral health, you could also be creating food intolerances just through your mouth. Oh yeah, through the bacteria that's already like sitting dormant, you know, within your teeth.

Starting point is 00:16:07 Bacteria or food part? Did you run that by like a Dr. Ruscio? Do you know? No, I don't run it by anybody. Yeah. This is just a thought that I was having because I'm thinking, well, if you're eating food and you're chewing on food and, you know, it doesn't have to even go down into your stomach. If you have poor oral health and you have gums that kind of bleed a little bit or whatever, that food or particles could get into your bloodstream and your body could develop an immune reaction to it. What are with the likelihood of that, is though?

Starting point is 00:16:33 I think it might be high. I'm guessing, I mean, I'm totally this again speculating, but. That would be a great question for Mike. I feel like most dentists, I've known are like super healthy. You know, like, they really have like, I don't know. If they've like very forward thinking and like most of them have are pretty familiar with functional medicine

Starting point is 00:16:52 and everything else, the ones that I've talked to. I know, I'm trying to think, I'm trying to try to write my friend out on the tennis that I know that. Yeah, I mean, think about it this way. Like think of something. I definitely don't know. It is a very like crucial part of your health. Well, think about this way.

Starting point is 00:17:03 If think of something you're allergic to normally that you don't eat like like pollen right you breathe in pollen it causes it in you know Allergies to imagine if you took some of that pollen and you like rubbed it in an open sore Like you might create a much worse immune reaction in fact I you probably would I would assume no I get I get break out and, hives and stuff when, like, I'll get all this, like, kind of red rash, so I'm allergic to pollen. Yeah. And when it gets, when it gets on the dogs, and that's why I have to bathe them every week.

Starting point is 00:17:33 Because if they, if I go two weeks without bathing, then they've got so much pollen on them that just from me petting them, I break out and rashes and stuff. So, so dental health is extremely important for just total health, which I knew that already in regards to heart health because there's already been studies on that. But in terms of developing food intolerances, it's important.

Starting point is 00:17:51 And here's the other side of it, too. What contributes to good oral health? Well, there's the obvious, right? Brush your teeth, floss, all that other shit. But the, that's a lot of obvious contributes very, very, very largely to oral health. And that's your diet. A lot of people don't realize just how much and dental damage. Your diet, well, yeah, yeah, just how much your diet contributes to your oral health.

Starting point is 00:18:15 So like if your microbiome and your mouth is off, you're going to get lots of cavities, and you're going to get some gum disease and stuff like that. And that's from just your, you know, what you eat, you know, normally. And then there's a doctor, can't remember his name now. What's that website dug with? Western Price.

Starting point is 00:18:34 Thank you. So Western Price, you guys familiar with with Dr. Western Price? Yeah. Okay, so he was a dentist that traveled the world and he documented people's teeth around the world and then he documented hunter-gatherers, modern hunter-gatherers teeth. And he was from modern Western societies

Starting point is 00:18:53 and he dealt with, you know, cavities and braces and I mean, the amount of kids that need braces in modern Western societies is pretty high, especially when you consider, before braces were invented, how the fuck did that work? Like, you know, if your teeth are bad enough, that would probably take away your ability to survive

Starting point is 00:19:13 and eat, and cavities could for sure kill you if you're a caveman, like you can't fix that if it becomes an infection that can go up into your sinus, it's got a lot of problems. You know, having to remove wisdom teeth as often as we do. So he went into these modern hunter gatherers and he took pictures of their teeth

Starting point is 00:19:31 because he was fucking blown away that everybody had super straight teeth. All their teeth, nobody had a cavity. He couldn't believe it. They were not brushing their teeth. Yes, the Western diet that's created all this totally. They weren't brushing their teeth. They didn't do any of the modern practices

Starting point is 00:19:44 of keeping oral health. And yet they had had these like and he took all their pictures he wrote a book on it and you could see like these really nice teeth my dad did not brush his teeth as he was poor didn't brush his teeth as a kid they didn't couldn't afford toothbrushes and I just asked him I how the fuck did you clean your teeth he's like oh I just use my finger and wipe my teeth. Didn't, didn't brush his teeth, didn't go to a dentist until he was in his mid 20s. For the first time, you went to a dentist here in America,

Starting point is 00:20:14 went to the dentist and they could not believe that he never been to a dentist because my dad's never had a cavity and he's got the straightest teeth you've ever seen. And he ate, you know, he was poor and so his family, they ate, you've ever seen. And he ate, he was poor, and so his family ate, like meat and legumes and fruits and vegetables and things that they grew. And he had just excellent, it's kind of interesting, right?

Starting point is 00:20:32 It's interesting how this, all these factors add up. So I'll just think about that. I thought, gee, I wonder how many of these autoimmune issues we can cause just because we also have shitty mouth health. And then we, foods and that goes in our mouth. This doesn't seem like everything that we seek as far as pleasure wise, we eat foods and that goes in our mouth. Does this seem like everything that we seek as far as pleasure wise, we have to make this deal with ourself.

Starting point is 00:20:48 Totally. When you think about that, this whole thing of like seeking after pleasure, it's like and chasing these things that we want to, and it's like whatever it's feeding, there's a price that it pays, and are you willing to take that? And is it once or twice not a big deal,

Starting point is 00:21:03 but is it something I do on a regular basis, could fuck me up? So this lead, so that's almost like you know exactly what I'm gonna talk about. So that leads me to the next thought that I had. And you're right whenever you're sacrificing for something for the future so like okay right now I'm gonna work out so that I'm healthier tomorrow or right now I'm not gonna eat this cake so I'm healthy tomorrow what you're doing is you're making a deal With with your present self for your future self, right? That's Psychologically speaking that's exactly what you're doing so you're putting hand the barn. Yeah, it's exactly what you're doing So if I eat this cake right now my present self is gonna really fucking enjoy this but My future self is not gonna like this so much

Starting point is 00:21:42 I'm gonna feel bad and if I do this enough time I'm gonna become unhealthy obese and all these other things so you're always bargaining between your future and your present self so I'm I was thinking about and Dr. Jordan Peterson talks about this in his book 12 rules and I thought it was absolutely brilliant that You know, that's the origin of sacrifice like the origin of if you look at religions a sacrificed animals in ancient times, and really it's a very primitive way of doing that, right? You're sacrificing them now for later, and then their eyes, they're doing it for God, but in the reality, if you're planning and you're smart enough to be able to have an extra animal to sacrifice,

Starting point is 00:22:18 you're probably going to do better off later on, which is probably why that practice lasted for thousands of years. So I'm thinking about this, and then I'm thinking about how tough it is for people to quote, unquote, stick with a diet or stick with an exercise program. And I'm thinking about this, and I'm starting to realize that this is how complicated we are as humans. This is the bane of human consciousness we create these separate parts of ourselves that we Have debates and discussions with like there's two parts of us and if for those you don't fucking believe this Okay, how many times have you said this I can't have that?

Starting point is 00:22:56 Mm-hmm. I can't eat that right now What do you mean you can't who's making you forcing you to not? No, it's not. Oh, I am. Oh, I am forcing myself. Who is this other you? Well, it's the future you. And here's one of the reasons why, and this was a paradigm shattering, fucking moment for me last night. Literally kept me up thinking about this last night.

Starting point is 00:23:18 When you're, how many of you, I mean, in this room right now, raise your hand when you like it when someone forces you to do something. Nobody, in fact, you forced me to do anything. My instinct is to do the opposite, because I hate tyranny. I don't like being forced. Nobody does, this is natural.

Starting point is 00:23:35 This is a natural state of being, kids are like this, and so are the adults. Like the second you're forced to do something, you don't want to do it because you don't like being forced. If you want to do something or you choose to do something, you don't wanna do it because you don't like being forced. If you want to do something or you choose to do something, it's totally different, totally different thought process. So I'm thinking to myself and I'm like, wow,

Starting point is 00:23:53 the reason why people have so much trouble with nutrition and exercise and discipline is because they are feeling tyrannized, they're feeling tyranny from their future self. In other words, I am not letting myself do this versus I don't wanna do this, to completely different schools of thought. So if I'm at a birthday party and there's cake

Starting point is 00:24:17 and I'm looking at it, I'm like, wow, that looks really good, but I can't eat it. I'm feeling like I myself am forcing myself to not eat it, which nobody fucks. Internal conflict. Nobody likes that. Nobody will stay doing that for too long. At some point, you're going to rebel against the tyranny of yourself.

Starting point is 00:24:35 So really, it's realizing that the two people that you're that you're that are arguing and one is forcing the other is a false belief. It's a psychological phenomena you've created within yourself because there's some value that comes with it. But if that other you that you've created in your own mind starts to become a dictator and starts to force you, or at least you start to feel like he forces you,

Starting point is 00:25:00 you are not gonna feel good about what you're doing and you're not gonna stick to it. And so what you need to do, and it's extremely powerful to do this, and I've done this myself, is rather than saying I have to do this, is realize that you are not forcing anything. The reason why you're not doing it is because you're choosing to not want to.

Starting point is 00:25:21 And I practice that when I don't want the cake, you know, that's it Yeah, I don't want it makes such a big difference. It's not it's not that I can't have it like that's awful No, and you know what you know what who was I just talking to it? Who was it that we were just hanging out with it Says the if I if I can't I must who we just oh is Ben yeah, but you've been must have said that like five different times Think about think about all the shit that you hate doing because you feel like you're being forced to do it? And if you just changed the paradigm of it and realize that you, first off,

Starting point is 00:25:55 you can't force yourself to do anything because it's you, really. So it's not like you forcing yourself unless you were literally two different people but you're not. Realize that there isn't, that doesn't even exist. The reality is, you don't want to. Now think of all the shit that you hate to do because of that.

Starting point is 00:26:13 Think of it. Like I hated doing shit around the house. Like I hated it. Why? Because I felt like I was being forced. And there was a moment where I remember specifically, this was when I was married. It was towards the end of my marriage when remember specifically, this was when I was married, it was towards the end of my marriage, when I had a lot of me and my wife at the time had

Starting point is 00:26:29 lots of issues, lots of, there goes way deep, I'm not even going to go into it because then it'll make one person look bad and all that stuff, I'm not going to do that. But one of the things that she had an issue with me was that it didn't help around the house. And I didn't want to listen to that because I had my own issues with her. And so I'm like, if you don't listen to me, I'm not going to listen to you. And this is just common when people lose communication and it turns in a bunch of bullshit. But at towards the end, I said, okay, you know what I'm going to try? I'm going to try doing exactly what she's telling me to do. That way we get it out of the way so we can address these other issues that I find important

Starting point is 00:26:59 because I figured she's probably the same boat I'm at where she's not going to listen to me because I'm not listening to her. So I'm gonna just do what she wants me to do. Now when I did that, I did it because I wanted to, because I thought to myself, I wanna do this. I'm gonna choose to do this. So then I would be washing dishes, I'd be folding laundry, and then I'd find myself enjoying it,

Starting point is 00:27:20 which was very strange for me, because any other time I did it before, I felt like I was being forced, I fucking hated it. Changed your purpose, totally changed everything. it, which was very strange for me, because any other time I did it before, I felt like I was being forced, I fucking hated it. Change your purpose. Totally changed everything. And you can apply, and I'll tell you what, your thought process is everything when it comes to your meaning and the quality of your life and getting shit done.

Starting point is 00:27:37 Do you believe the greater the sacrifice, the greater the reward then? Of course. Yeah. It makes things worthy. What is the, what is the, what is the prize without the work? It's nothing, you know what I mean? I mean, you know, it's like, I've used this example so many times, like people who win the lottery, they've done studies on these, like these people are, if they're depressed before they win that money, two, three years later, they're depressed again.

Starting point is 00:28:05 Because there was no value in it. It's just cash. Now, of course, if you're starving, you don't have a roof over your head, that's totally different. But a lot of people win the lottery, have those things. So then they get all this money, and then they're super excited for a couple of years, and they realize that back where they were started, where they were before, or sometimes worse, sometimes even worse, because they now realize that that wasn't the answer, right?

Starting point is 00:28:24 Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I felt that the entire time I was in school, in every part of the educational process, I felt like, you know, it was mandated. I had to go in this direction. I had to learn this subject and getting outside of that environment and then going back and revisiting a lot of topics and studying on my own, it's been like game changer because now I want to do it. Now I want to pursue more knowledge in that direction. I mean, that's just something I've noticed about myself with just about everything. And the same thing with cleaning, it's the same thing.

Starting point is 00:29:03 If anybody tells me to do something at one point, like there's an immediate resistance, but you know, that's where I, too. I try to check myself on that and then try to figure out how I can make it like my own momentum in that direction. And so I'm not like confrontational with somebody trying to tell me something because, you know, like that's not gonna work either. No, dude. It's literally the core foundation of

Starting point is 00:29:29 Intuitive eating, you know, if you will like it's the core of it like I'm eating this because I want to I'm not eating that because I just I don't want to and people confuse that it's so hard though And people people don't understand their own emotions, dude They don't understand like and so they're sometimes reading the wrong signals is how I think Well, I mean think about that like think you're having that you got to have a serious level awareness to really be able to Unpack that break that down like it was so it was like as clear as day to me. I think into myself. I'm like I you know what I should do this thing. I need to do this thing I'm supposed to do this thing. I'm supposed to do this thing.

Starting point is 00:30:05 I'm not supposed to do that thing and then I'm thinking like I don't want to fucking do that, you know? You know, but but I you know I have to and I'm thinking to myself, I'm like wait a minute Who's forcing me to do this? Like who's literally forcing me and I'm like myself? Who is this other me? I'm like it's this fictional Character that I've created that is being a dictator over me. No wonder I don't want to fucking do it. Nobody wants to do anything they're being forced. I'm like, but I created that. It's in my control. So then as soon as I killed that character and then realized, well, the reason why I created that character

Starting point is 00:30:38 in the first place, like think of it this way, the reason why I created this dictator in the first place that's forcing me to not eat sugar, for example, is because I see the value in not eating sugar. I see so much value in not eating sugar that I created this fictional character to force me to do it. But wait a minute, if I see so much value in it, I don't need to create this fictional dictator. Should want to.

Starting point is 00:31:00 I just, I don't want to. I literally don't want to. So why don't I just not? I'm literally seeing, like, you know how you see the like a devil and an angel on your shoulder? It's fiction, that's course. But like, almost like a little dictator and then a little hippie guy.

Starting point is 00:31:13 Like, yeah man, you can do it. It's about love. Yeah, that's what I see with you. Why do you think that? Yeah. Come on, Sal, love yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:23 You deserve it. Yeah, you know what's funny, buddy? That's been depicted in cartoons. So yeah, movies for so long. It's a great and smart. Everybody can, okay, so in this is what, I'm getting this from the book. By the way, I guarantee it's because I've been reading

Starting point is 00:31:36 12 Roles of Life because he talks about how. Of course, it's the reason why I'm on the same page as you. Yeah, I miss, makes a lot of sense, bro. He talks about psychology a lot, right? Because he's a clinical psychologist, and he talks about how like a lot of sense, bro. He talks about psychology a lot, right? Because he's a clinical psychologist, and he talks about how, like a lot of times we will create an argument.

Starting point is 00:31:51 Like when you're thinking what you're really doing is you're debating two different sides of something. That's what real thinking is, right? You're trying to process something by creating two different ends of it. And sometimes we don't really want to debate it. We want to pretend like we're debating it. So what we do is we create, there's the one side

Starting point is 00:32:07 that we really want to follow, but we know we should probably think it through. So then we create another side that's weak that we know we're gonna defeat. And then we do this propaganda where we, so we can just steamroll it. Yeah, and we're like, oh yeah, I thought about it. No, you really didn't.

Starting point is 00:32:20 You really didn't do it, think about it. You just pretended to make yourself feel better. People like Pat themselves on the back for like, oh yeah, you know, I was totally gonna give money to that charity, you know, just the thought of that like makes me feel good. Yeah, no. And I'm thinking like, wow, that's human consciousness.

Starting point is 00:32:36 We're always creating these characters. And think about how many times you like talk to yourself or like you said, Justin, the devil and the angel. I mean, the terminology of like listening to that voice and then there's this other voice in my head that says this and then this other voice says that, what voice? You're not possessed by demons. You need to read what I'm reading right now,

Starting point is 00:32:55 which is how emotions are made. I know it'll be such a perfect followup in where your head space is right now because it's super fascinating. And I touched on it a little bit with Dr. Molley, but what you're getting into right now is a lot of the book is because there's a lot of other factors that come into this

Starting point is 00:33:12 because where that person's current head space is at, like where they're at, as far as being positive or if they've got some stuff going on in their life that's got them down or they just recently got fired, they just recently got a promotion. Like all these things makes a difference their life that's got them down or they just recently got fired, they just recently got a promotion. Like all these things makes a difference on how they respond and react to these opportunities or things that arise.

Starting point is 00:33:31 And it's not always the same pathway. It doesn't work that way. It's not like A to B always. It's always going to be there's always so many individual variances because we're constantly going through all these different emotions and days and spikes and ups and downs. So even the same exact question or same exact possibility or the same exact opportunity is never the same because of all the other factors. Dude, think about how, like imagine, and we don't appreciate just how complex the human psyche is

Starting point is 00:34:00 sometimes. I really think, though, I really think that sometimes we see it's a problem or a situation and we're like, the answer is simple, just do this or just do that. Well, yeah, obviously, if people just, if they're obese and they just said, oh, I'm just going to eat healthier and move more, well, yeah, I guess that's the answer, but way more complex than that. If life was just a math equation, we'd be doing, like, everything would be easy. And that's, you know, exactly like, if this than that, but it's, there's so many variables. And that's just it, like, it's all about this, this duality in our minds, or maybe even

Starting point is 00:34:37 more than two things, where we're constantly in this battle between the dictator us, who's telling us what we should do and this rebellious us that's saying don't fucking tell me what to do and it's this back and forth back and forth but then when you realize that you have created these fictional imaginary characters in your mind that you don't have to have to have to have to have it and you're not chained to one of them. No, in fact that's neither one of those as you, by the way. The guy that's telling you to do it and the guy that's rebelling it isn't even you. The you is the one that's observing all of it.

Starting point is 00:35:13 Boy, when you reach that point, it's like, you start to make friends with things that you used to hate to do or you felt forced to do. You start to make friends with it and you realize, like, oh, like, yeah. I want to, you know, I want to do my yard work because I like the way it looks and that's it. Like, I'm not forced to do this. I just like the way it looks. And when you make friends with it, it makes everything fucking easy, man.

Starting point is 00:35:37 It really does. Otherwise, it's a, of course, man, nobody wants to be forced to do anything. You tell me to do anything and my instinct is to tell you to go fuck yourself. Right. I don't care who's telling me especially because that just fitness is everything too. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's across all boards. Well, that's why it's interesting because we've all learned that through fitness and like enjoying the process

Starting point is 00:35:53 and actually like, like I get excited to go work out and you know work on my body, but at the same time like working on my house or you know doing the mundane shit that like you know will propel you forward. Why don't I carry that same momentum? Why don't I carry that same energy into those projects? Well, this reminds me of why we started this project was that that's what's so wrong is that our industry is focusing on all the wrong things. And they have been for a really long time, you know, and it's, and we've been a part of it, we were a part of the problem for a really long time because that's how

Starting point is 00:36:22 you, if you tell you made money, tell you how you had to do. From the hammer of dictator ideas like right on you. you had to tell you made money, it's how you had to, if you had to throw in the hammer of dictator ideas like right on you. Yeah, dude, and it's really not the real root cause of most of people's struggle of getting in really good shape. That's not worth, it's rooted in their head. It's rooted in the psychological side more than anything else.

Starting point is 00:36:38 And it took me a really long time in training a lot of people before I really connected those dots personally. You know, that took me a lot. Oh, dude, it took me, really long time in training a lot of people before I really connected those dots personally. That took me a lot. Oh dude, it took me, it was like towards the back half of my career, I would train clients and start realizing that, wow, if I do this slow enough and I do this with the right approach, they all of a sudden, that's, it switches.

Starting point is 00:37:03 The dictator starts to shrink and then it becomes disappears. And then they switch to this, oh, I want to do this. And these were all, I mean, I wasn't training athletes. I wasn't training anybody that was hard. I had very few hardcore clients. 90% or more of my clients were people that did not have any fitness, you know, background or discipline, if you will. These were all regular people, and I was able to, when I changed my approach, I haven't

Starting point is 00:37:31 looked at, we've been doing mine pump now for three years, I haven't trained a single one of these clients for at least two years, right? That's a long time, two years without training with their trainer. Every single one of these people is still exercising, is still working out. And not all of them are training with a trainer. Some of them went to another trainer because they enjoyed doing that. Some of them said, hey, I'm going to do this on my own. And I keep in contact with them.

Starting point is 00:37:55 And every once in a while, they'll send me their workout and stuff. I mean, real lifestyle changes. And it takes a while sometimes. I had clients who want to lose 30 pounds, they don't lose 30 pounds for three years, you know, and all of a sudden they lost it. Yeah, like for the first three years, it just clicked. Yeah, just, it would have had so many clients like that. Right. Yeah. So I was just mind blowing to maybe because I'm sitting there and I'm like, wait a minute, who the fuck is telling me? Well, that's why being for them,

Starting point is 00:38:19 being there for them, like matters so much more, then trying to push them and propel them in a certain direction, they have to literally internalize it. And then it becomes obvious once they go through that process. It's pretty crazy. That's why I used to put so much responsibility on my clients. And it took me a long time to figure that piece out too. I used to be the trainer who fed right into whatever client wanted, which was give me a meal plan, give me a workout,. I used to be the trainer who fed right into what every client wanted, which was give me

Starting point is 00:38:45 a meal plan, give me a workout, tell me what to do. I could do that. Here you go, here you go, here you go, and that was kind of like the formula. Later on in my career, it was the complete opposite. I did nothing. And yet I was a way better trainer. What I mean by I did nothing, wasn't that I literally didn't do nothing, but I put it on them to present everything to me.

Starting point is 00:39:03 Because if you really want to learn about yourself, if you really want to figure it out, right, it takes work. I know that, for sure. And don't worry, I'm gonna help you out with all the math and the hard decisions of where we go from here or there. Like, I'm gonna direct this ship, but you're gonna be fucking moving us.

Starting point is 00:39:17 You're not me moving you. This is not the other way around. So they would have to send me all their measurements, all their weights, all their stuff, and we're tracking, and I'm talking them through that process because I know what's gonna happen within a more like the Oracle. Yeah, right, and three or four days later,

Starting point is 00:39:31 they're gonna call me up and go, or say to me, Adam, oh my God, I just, this happened to me. I go, well, let's look at your food log, and let's see where the foods you've been eating for the last two days, and let's talk about it. And then, I'll pull them, the slight bulb goes off, and I'm like, oh really, I didn't get fat. That's crazy. And you have to allow people to learn.

Starting point is 00:39:47 Yeah. If you don't, you know, so much information, you feel like, I don't know, for some reason we feel so compelled to keep like throwing stuff at them. Right. And you haven't even given them enough time to learn. Right. It's, you can't, you don't really teach people anything, you're just helping them learn, you're helping them teach themselves. Yeah, because that's the only way you really learn is when you get it yourself, right?

Starting point is 00:40:14 Now sometimes someone can present information to you, that sparks that, and that's part of a trainer's job. But a big part of the trainer's job is just like, helping you reveal to yourself what needs to be done. Right. And you know, that's why too, for a trainer, it's a huge success, even if you reveal one big rock for them.

Starting point is 00:40:33 That's it. And they never even see their goal. Like, maybe their goal was to, like you said, lose 30 pounds, but there are so many other things big rocks that were missing their life, for example, sleep. Like how many times have you got a client before? And they're part of the reason why they've struggled themselves to lose is they've already tried every diet, they've tried every workout program. They're coming to you now because they're lost completely,

Starting point is 00:40:54 which we always know that's a bigger project because this person has to undo a lot of the bad stuff that they've done to themselves for so long. And that sometimes takes a long time. And if you can just get them to create one better habit that you know will really impact their life long term. Like for example, sleep, I always go there. Now it was an area that I didn't put a lot of emphasis

Starting point is 00:41:13 on when we first started, you know. That's why I love fitness so much. Like if you can kind of get your mind wrapped around fitness, you can take all the stuff you learned with fitness and apply it towards pretty much all your life. And it's just a basic, it's a very easy thing to understand. It's still not easy, but it's just easier to understand them, all the complexities of life. So if you can, you just nail down fitness a little bit and figure that out. Well, and to be fair, like, I know that why we were all so

Starting point is 00:41:40 impressed with Paul Check is because he's been able to distill like almost everything down to like a few like major things, right? Especially fitness wise, like that to even focus on like when he talks to somebody it's just like, you know, those three, four major things that will move you forward. And that's it. So awesome.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Master those. So absolutely awesome. So some current events stuff, I know we've been bringing some current events stuff. And so yesterday, you guys have seen, I'm sure, if you've been on anywhere on social media, just the gun control debate is just gone crazy, right? People on both sides are just getting really lots of vitriol, lots of anger, lots of, you know, you don't care about the kids, no, you don't care about the kids, and you know, this, that, and the other. And you got one side saying, we need to arm, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:29 teachers, or we need to have police, you know, at our schools, and you got to do this side. It's like ban all guns or ban these guns or whatever. So I'm looking at this and I love this discussion because not because we have to have it because it's a difficult discussion to have. But because there are some interesting points that can be made on both sides.

Starting point is 00:42:47 So I'm kind of, you know, I'm mulling it over. I'm actually discussing with Jessica, we're having a great discussion over it. And then I get, come upon this article with these, they're not biohackers. I think they're biohackers. They're kind of like biohackers, right? And biohackers are this new group of people,

Starting point is 00:43:04 and it's just like this broad umbrella of people who like to experiment with themselves and create new things that they can do with their bodies and what they can do with technology. And I'm reading this article on how 3D printers, so for the people that don't know, a 3D printer can print objects. So rather than printing on a piece of paper, it can print like a cup out of plastic mold or the advanced 3D printers now can print parts for things that you put together. Or even they even have these massive 3D printers that can print a house now out of like single compounds

Starting point is 00:43:41 or whatever, right? So I'm reading this article and there's these hackers that are using 3D printers and they're printing guns and they're printing effective guns. That's already happening. Oh yes. Okay, so there was one called the liberator that you could print with plastic.

Starting point is 00:43:59 Wow. Yes. So it's undetectable. With plastic and I think one metal part or maybe no metal parts. So it's all plastic. It was a single shot pistol. And you could print it with a 3D printer that you could buy. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:44:13 You could buy these commercial 3D printers. You could buy it and you could print it the single shot handgun. And that happened a few years ago. Well now 3D printers have advanced so much over the last few years that now these guys are printing multi-shot guns and one guy printed a semi-automatic rifle with like a capacity for like crazy, dude. Like a 12, like 12.

Starting point is 00:44:37 You just made me think you said you graced over something that just made me go, whoa, if we could get to a point where we can print houses and that's like a project that can be done in two days with a little bit of material, the house, it will fucking flip the house. It'll be crazy. I've already seen some of these, I don't know if they have robots attached

Starting point is 00:44:53 or whatever to these 3D printers, but I've saw them like live, build a bridge. Yep, crazy. Yep. So, 3D people don't realize this, but in the future, 3D printing has the ability to disrupt just, it's going to be the most, one of the most disruptive technologies that everything. It'll be one of the most disruptive technologies that mankind has ever seen.

Starting point is 00:45:15 But in terms of guns, these guys are printing guns and the way that they're doing it is they're just sharing files. Okay, now think about that. And the materials to make these guns, you could buy it any fucking hardware store, right? So think about it this way now. How powerful is the music and entertainment industry? One of the most powerful in the world, right? Billions of dollars, extremely powerful.

Starting point is 00:45:39 Have they been able to stop illegal file sharing for music and movies? Not at all. Not at all. In fact, I could go online right now. So what you're saying is like, nobody's gonna be able to make money. What I'm trying to say is,

Starting point is 00:45:49 no, stop it. It's what it is. No, it doesn't matter. Even if you ban all guns. Good luck, good luck. So you know what, and if anything, it'll only cause a more of an uproar of underground law. You can make it as illegal as you want.

Starting point is 00:46:02 Right, yeah. Like right now it's illegal to download music or whatever. But if I want to, right? And I look, by the, here's a thing, I am not tech savvy. I've never, I've never had free music. I've never shared free music. I never used Napster and never did any of this stuff. If I buy music, I go through. Well, I pirated the shit out of my head. I had Napster too. We did in college. You had like a list. Well, that was right in the heart of when you were a kid in the music.

Starting point is 00:46:23 I couldn't believe that you could do it. You know, like a list. Well, that was right in the heart of when you were a kid in the music. I didn't believe that. You could do it. You know, like we all took turns like downless, like you know, but whatever. Everybody did, right? I bet I could go right now on my phone and I can within 10 minutes find a way to download a free music or even a free movie.

Starting point is 00:46:37 And those are extremely regulated and controlled industries. Like guns are gonna be printed and you ain't gonna be able to stop the sharing of files. Right. Like you are, the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can't put it back in the tube, what the fuck are you gonna do now? Right.

Starting point is 00:46:54 You can't do anything. When people can print guns, it's gonna be like, good luck trying to do gun control, anything. So when I hear the arguments for gun control and there's the debate back and forth, then I read this and I'm like, that's a whole nother monster. That's a whole nother monster. It's futile. Like the only way we're going to be able to deal with that kind of a situation is that if it ever becomes super dangerous, which I disagree, because we already have, like here's a fact, right? You don't forget about mass shootings in this and that because I think there's some crazy psychological dysfunction that goes on with that.

Starting point is 00:47:28 But let's just look at everyday violence that's done in America, gun violence, murder, right? Go to Chicago. Chicago's got a murder rate that's equivalent to some third world countries. Yeah, it's crazy. When you've got stuff like that going on, you're, and there's already, over,

Starting point is 00:47:44 there's easily over 300 million guns already in circulation in America. So more guns in America, legal guns, we didn't even know they're legal ones, but there's already more guns in circulation than people already. We've been well-armed for since the founding of this country, right? There's guns everywhere. If it ever becomes super, super dangerous, which I don't think it will, then the only option will be to carry a gun yourself, right, to defend yourself. If that ever becomes super, super dangerous, which I don't think it will, then the only option will be to carry a gun yourself, to defend yourself, if that ever happens. But here's why I don't think it'll happen. We've had guns forever in this country.

Starting point is 00:48:14 We've got more guns today than we did 30 years ago, and total gun violence, total gun murders, and this is a real statistic, is that it's lowest point in 30 years. So, although guns in society total gun murders and this is a real statistic has is that it's lowest point in 30 years. So although total although guns in society may be a contributing factor to to violence which by the way that argument is actually disputable back and forth. I've looked at the evidence and I would totally side with the evidence if it was clear but it's not. But it's but so if it was a big factor it's obviously not the factor because otherwise

Starting point is 00:48:46 we would be more violent total today than we were 30 years ago with more guns, right? So, so I think fuck 3D printers printing guns. Yeah. Like what's gonna change everything? They're gonna be able to do drugs too. They are gonna be able to print molecule by molecule. Yeah, drug, if you can print a fucking gun, you're gonna be able to print molecule by molecule. Yeah, yeah, drug you'll be if you can print a fucking gun You're gonna be able to print a fucking drug a pharmaceutical drug. No problem. Yep. So that's gonna it's gonna be blow everything out That's why I think the future is the future is anarchal capitalism Whether we like it or not. Yeah, it's gonna be like total so decentralized Like think about brands and this is why I believe so much And the blockchains are gonna look all this is why I believe so much in blockchain and crypto because

Starting point is 00:49:27 Either that or something like it. Well, yeah, the break the blockchain. That's why I said blockchain and not cryptocurrency, right? What what cryptocurrency? I can't tell you that and that's why I don't think it's something smart to heavily invest in but pay attention Because blockchain is here to stay and it's gonna be for reasons like this is because there will be people like ourselves That will I'll have no problem having a quarter of my income and cryptocurrencies that gives me the freedom to buy purchase Whatever I want whenever I want and protected to where nobody can trace it back to me And I can have what I you know I'm saying like that's that's fucking here dude. Yeah, that's that's here And it's it's it's gonna happen. Everything's gonna be so decentralized.

Starting point is 00:50:07 Everything, like brands, who the fuck cares about brands when I can print a pair of shoes that's identical at home, and I just get the raw materials that are cheap as shit. You know what I mean? Who cares about like you said medicine? It's gonna be all about design. I mean, think about the creativity, like how that's gonna to be more important.

Starting point is 00:50:26 Mm-hmm. Going forward because people are going to have to construct new things, new ideas, new ways of building things. So I think there's going to be a lot of demand for people that have that kind of a skill set. Of course. Okay. So let's, I said that the house thing would flip the housing market on its head. It would just change the profession. Like now there's a huge market for people who could create and design these like sick house. Yeah, yeah. So the item it would be decentralized. Right.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Because all these files would be shared online. It would be no different than YouTube decentralizing entertainment. You'd all of a sudden have like, you know, at home designers designed something. They'd test it and be like, oh, this works. You can download this if you want and print your own house on your own land. Yep. And people will, people will do it.

Starting point is 00:51:10 How about this? So I had somebody, I had this conversation with someone who's like, oh, no, it's gonna be, you know, then that means the printer owners are gonna be the fucking rulers of the world. And I'm like, no, fucker. Because you'll be able to 3D printer. Like, you'll be able to, that's the thing.

Starting point is 00:51:24 Like, you'll be able to print a printer. That's the thing, you'll be able to start a printer. You'll be able to print, that's it. Dude, think about it. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be so disruptive. I don't even think we can come close to a mad and a fucking... That is inception, bro.

Starting point is 00:51:38 Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You'll be able to change the... Probe or the egg? Whatever, I got a 3D printer. You'll be able to change the pro-d. Whatever, I got a 3D printer. You'll be able to change the pro-d. And it'll improve upon the previous program. And then you'll print it. Now how crazy will that be?

Starting point is 00:51:53 Like, so you say drugs. What if they get, you know, obviously I'm sure they're working on bio. Oh, they've printed tissue. Yeah, like you can make like new lens for your cell. They've actually printed, they can print tissue, they'll be a point where they'll be able to print complex organs, like a heart,

Starting point is 00:52:11 or not the brain, maybe at some point, but I don't think now, but they'll be able to print like your kidneys or a heart or a valve or a tendon, or so they'll be able to harvest your stem cells. Oh, you tore your ACL, we'll make you a new ACL from your own stem cells, and they'll print it with this machine, and then they'll put it in your body. It's your own fucking cells.

Starting point is 00:52:32 Boom, now you're brand new. It's a bunch of crazy shit, but yeah, it took me down that path because it's all this. It's not like I get so excited about this. It's like totally sci-fi, but like real life now. It's like, what the fuck? It's very much so. And you know, it's so funny our braids work because it's like it's a gun control battle And it's like thinking about it. So you do that so many things

Starting point is 00:52:51 But that's a common that's immediate gun controls around the corner right or printing guns is around the corner We are literally within it's like putting a little patch on you know one little crack in the dam Yeah, you know, it's like ooh, I'm gonna put some spackle on here, right? Yeah, and then debating arguing if it's like, I'm gonna put some sparkle on here. Right. And then debating arguing if it's great, worth it or not, or it's gonna explode in your face. Or what kind of sparkle you should use.

Starting point is 00:53:10 That's what you're seeing right now. That's it, dude. And other countries are gonna be doing it. So all these countries that are like, we don't have guns in our societies. Okay, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens in 10 years. Right.

Starting point is 00:53:21 Because it's within 10 years. It's not, that's not close to this, bro. And within 10 years, we're gonna have three to 10 years. It's not, that's like close it is, bro. And within 10 years, we're gonna have three to pretend years easily, easily. You know, fast that shit's advancing right now. Have they have they, like, moved up the date for that like, AI, where they think that it's going to become like self-aware. Well, that's the the futurist was a great crucible things that'll happen like, well, let me

Starting point is 00:53:42 throw this in the mix. So you know that China has actually made a massive initiative to be the first and so they're treating it like we did But they're rock news. Oh, yes. Yes, they just put that out in the media and said that like they have everybody working on it right now It's a cold war dude. I like him. That's a chill down my spine. Wow really? Yes. No shit, I didn't see that. Oh yeah, it's real. I'm telling you right now, we are either going to save ourselves, or we're going to completely destroy ourselves. That's the argument too, is to why we haven't encountered like intelligent life.

Starting point is 00:54:18 One of the arguments is, well, maybe the process is intelligent life ends up destroying itself before it's able to reach a technology where it can travel interstellar this way. Like maybe this is just a natural life. We get so smart and we just push, push, push, and then we end up like destroying ourselves somehow and then it just recycles who knows.

Starting point is 00:54:37 Yeah, I don't know, dude. It's pretty fucking, it's pretty loud, right? It's too weird, man. Did you say you had a headline or something, Justin? Oh, I just had a funny article that I thought like you specifically would appreciate, right. Too weird. Weird shit. Did you say you had a headline or something, Justin? Oh, I just had a funny article that I thought, like, you specifically would appreciate, so. Oh, great. Was it starting?

Starting point is 00:54:51 Given your background. So here's the news title for it. Pennsylvania man with red sauce on his face arrested for meatballs theft. What? What? Affair. Affair, okay.

Starting point is 00:55:04 So Pennsylvania man was caught red face after a neighbor reported stolen part of meatballs. What? What? What? What? What? Affair. Okay, so Pennsylvania man was caught red faced after a neighbor reported a stolen pot of meatballs. And he was arrested for trespassing and theft charges. Basically, he just like walked into this guys house, stole his meatballs, ate it really quick, got it all his face in his shirt, so they caught him red handed.

Starting point is 00:55:21 Dude, you've had to try to deny that to the cops Stripping off the face who calls the cops over stolen balls come on man You know what so think about it this guy you went to if someone came into your house and ate your food I'd fucking be oh, I would be pissed I'd be super mad It's dude and it takes like I explain the process of making meatballs Right, that's a whole process. It's probably a neighbor You would it we we don't know the backstory the back the backstory is it's the neighbor They've been living there for four years. He's been asking the mother fucker that has the meatball to moe is lawn Yes, it mode is lawn in four weeks. He's like you can't you don't know your lawn. I'm gonna eat your meatball like he's letting his dog Just shit on it. Yeah, yeah shit. I'm gonna eat you a lesson. I'm gonna eat your fucking meatballs

Starting point is 00:56:04 This reminds me this reminds me. I had a client who always be sick. And then I could cut arrested, you know, fuck. I had a client once who had his house burglarized and he was telling me the story. And he goes, here's the worst part. He goes, I had a sandwich in the refrigerator. And the fucking burglar's not only robbed my house, but they ate half my sandwich and drank some of my beer and left them on the couch. And then I got to the store. in the refrigerator and the fucking burglars, not only robbed my house, but they ate half my sandwich

Starting point is 00:56:28 and drank some of my beer and left them on the counter. Oh man, like the nerve. You know what she ate? She ate it. She ate it off. Yeah, how angry would you be? You know what team are more bullshit? Is that the cops don't do any investigation on that?

Starting point is 00:56:39 Like this isn't fucking CSI. What the hell? They get like a saliva and a hair sample for some stolen TVs, dude. I remember the first time I figured that out was when my first first car got stolen like I've had two cars stolen from me Right in this in the within a 10-year span. Yeah, like the cops never mind me that Oh, he's goes like you guys have need leads or anything he's like leads Yeah, no it's like that. They don't fucking do nothing about that dude like oh

Starting point is 00:57:03 Someone breaks in your house dealss your stills all your shit Bro cops roll up. They're like yeah, we didn't catch him. No, we're not we're not gonna try either He let the sandwich here. He ate half of them sure there's a hair somewhere in this No, dude Get his DNA What are shitty feeling by the way did you feel that way those I thought that's how it worked as a kid Yeah, but I tell my first experience with something like do some detective work What are shitty feeling by the way? Did you feel that way, though? I thought that's how it worked as a kid. Yeah, but I tell my first experience

Starting point is 00:57:27 with something like do some detective work. I can understand, I don't know, maybe something small, like a bike being stolen, maybe, but it's like a car, like a 20 something, $30,000 vehicle gets stolen, like you don't know investigation happens? Yeah, nothing. What a fun time for it. No, that's a shitty feeling, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:57:44 I went up my house, got broken into. I became so vigilant for like a year. Like afterwards I was like this asshole was like looking at everybody. Bat next to your bed and shit. Oh yeah, I know I bought a lady walking by with a dog and he was like, it was you. Yeah, dude, I bought a sword.

Starting point is 00:57:58 This sounds so good. This is how crazy I was. I bought it, first I bought, first I got my first away from your crazy sword. Yeah, that's your first thought. No bought it, first I bought, first I got my first way of doing your crazy, yeah, that's your first thought. No, no, first I bought a gun. Okay, so I had my first, this is my first bought my gun. So I had a gun and then I'm like, you know what, I locked it up, I put it in a safe,

Starting point is 00:58:15 because I have kids, right? I wanna be very, you know, safe about that. I'm like, what if I don't have time to grab my gun in the safe that's, you know, a machete. That's like seven feet for me, right? So I bought this, I don't know, what the fuck I have on it. Samurai sword.

Starting point is 00:58:28 Yeah, it's like a big old pro, like, I bought this sword and I have it next to my bed. And then I thought to myself, dude, then I thought to myself, would I have the balls to like, hack someone's money? Like I'm gruesome with that thing. Like imagine if you had a sword, there's a guy in your house and you know, I have to kill him with the sword right now.

Starting point is 00:58:46 He's just like, oh big mistake. Yeah, you're a mistake. Slice. I don't know if I could stab somebody. It's not like the movies where you're like, I could shoot somebody who's an invader, no problem. Like, you could do it in one time, right? And you're coming at me, like, I could feel like

Starting point is 00:59:02 I could react quick enough, I shoot you, but to stab yeah to stop find ninjas. I don't know, you know I say I say that too and I do remember being scared as a kid getting into fights to and then once you are in it It's like you have a switch, but here's the thing off a survival thing I was thinking I literally went through this on my head That's why I leave my clubs near the door. Yeah. Oh, you're working I love Indian club. Well think about this. I'm thinking of my head like a legend, somebody. I'm like, I need to be mentally prepared if this ever happens, because I don't want to be caught like,

Starting point is 00:59:29 oh my god, and then what do I do? So I need to like, I need to make up my mind in my head that I can do this. I feel like every man goes through this. Yeah, so I'm running through the scenarios on my head. And if I had a sword, I'm like, the odds that the first swipe is just gonna kill him, or not that high. He's probably gonna block it with his arm,

Starting point is 00:59:45 which means I'm probably gonna, like I'm gonna have to cut in him a bunch of time. Like I'm gonna have to hack out of him. Oh yeah, he's gonna read, his arms are gonna block so he's gonna like at least grab part of it and then you have to pull back. Yes, that's gonna be a one swipe and he's gonna be ugly. It's gonna be bloody scary.

Starting point is 01:00:00 I have to be dedicated to the slicing of his skin unless you come in overhead and you stab forward see I don't know if it's that easy have you ever done it? I've never done it. No, of course not There's no way I feel like pulled off. I feel like it's way more work than you think Yeah, you have to be like the whole time have to be committed to like Neutralizing the threat, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know, and I'm sure he's not gonna sit there and take it Well, this is like it's more just scare the fuck out of this Is why practicing and doing like I mean martial arts or doing these practices with stuff like that So it becomes routine right you just go into sport mode

Starting point is 01:00:32 You just go into like I get in my stance and I know this is what I'm supposed to do Yeah, I'm dude. Yeah so much of it's mental. I just know it Fuck that. Yeah, but you know what if you're a man. If it's into your house and your pop up air and you've got your kids, bro, I'm sure like, Oh, if I saw that my kids were there, I wouldn't even think. Right, right. But I would feel, I still would feel afterwards

Starting point is 01:00:52 I'd be like, wow, that was traumatizing. I just fucking murdered someone if I had a house. Oh my God. Yeah, there was a story of like some guy that had like broken in, like, this wasn't even in close to my neighborhood or anything, but it was like close enough where I paid attention, it was Santa Cruz County,

Starting point is 01:01:08 some guy broke in, grabbed some toddler and was just mentally disturbed and grabbed it and then came put back the toddler and then they caught him later. But just that story alone, because I have my kids sleep downstairs, I'm just thinking about it. So a couple of times I heard something rustle outside,

Starting point is 01:01:28 like this is after this happened. Jumped out of bed, grabbed my club, went out like, rawr, you know, like ready to throw down, but you'd have to beat someone to death with a club. That's required somewhere. I wonder what, I wonder right to the face. What age is for you guys as parents, if ever, that you relax about that or calm down. What age do for you guys as parents, if ever, that you you relax about that or

Starting point is 01:01:46 calm down like what age do your boys or your girls need to get before you guys are okay with it. They're just downstairs, right? But I don't know. I can get it right now. I'm where you live out kind of the forest. And it's like, you know, probably when your boys are big enough to like protect you. Yeah. When you're old and they're and they're bigger stronger than me. Yeah. And you're like, there's a noise you call your son, hey, go check this out. I heard a noise, hey, my hip hurt. You know, if he handles, yeah, for my daughter, probably never, right? It'll always be like overprotective.

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Starting point is 01:02:43 Quee-cwa-me? The Eagolus Landed! Quikwa. Our first question is from Alejandro Sanchez takes photos. You guys have talked about post-workout eating before, but are there any benefits for fasting or waiting to eat for a couple hours after working out? Absolutely. So, for a long time now, we've been sold the idea that one of the most important things you could possibly do for building muscle or burning body fat is protein window. Yeah, it's to eat right after you work out. Who was it that we were interviewing or were you talking to that first that this blew my

Starting point is 01:03:19 mind when we brought this they brought this up? Was it Ruscio? Ruscio talked about it in the context of, when was it, we all, we were all together when we, the first time that so. That's what it was with good health. It was, right? For good health.

Starting point is 01:03:31 But before that, we all, we're, all of us had talked about on the show that the science actually doesn't show that it's that big of a deal at all. Yeah, we were, we already were talking shit about real timing a long time ago, but that was like the big one. I've heard that.

Starting point is 01:03:47 Yeah, absolutely so. So the reason why they push it so hard, you have to understand this. The reason why it's pushed so hard is such an important thing is because they know that right after your workout, so here's the case. This is the case they make. After your workout, you're in this anabolic window

Starting point is 01:04:02 that lasts about 30 minutes to an hour. If you eat something right afterwards, your body is going to utilize it for repair and rebuilding and you're going to build more muscle as a result. So that's step one. Step two, the faster you can get amino acids into your bloodstream, the better because now it feeds into the first part, which is you need to eat right afterwards, right? So that all feeds into, oh, what's the fastest form of protein I can consume? And what is the most convenient form of protein I can consume? Protein powder. And this is the reason why they push this so hard is because

Starting point is 01:04:35 they knew that if they push this narrative and they attach it to something that you're going to do, like working out, that you are going to take more protein powder. And they were right. And they were right. And they were right. This narrative right here sells more protein powder than anything I can think of by far. Is that I need something right after my workout so I need convenience. I don't wanna, I just finished working out,

Starting point is 01:04:55 so it's gotta be easy. And I want it to be fast, digesting because I need to get the amino acids in my bloodstream. So they've sold a shit ton of protein powder as a result of this. Now here's the real sign. The science shows that if you plan on working out again later in the day, you're definitely gonna want to have a meal

Starting point is 01:05:11 in between to replenish glycogen and improve performance. If you don't plan on working out until tomorrow, whatever, as long as you eat sometime between those two meals, you're gonna be okay. So- And I would argue there's more benefits to pushing out and not eating if you're somebody who's trying to lean out. Especially for fat loss.

Starting point is 01:05:28 Right, if you're a fat loss or trying, or even generally not, even if you're your main goal just isn't to build. Like if you're on a hard game, that's I got a gain, I'm a skinny kid, all I care about is gaining. Okay, I might not push the fast or tell you to do that, but anybody who could reduce body fat, I would say there's as much benefits for you stretching out

Starting point is 01:05:44 the fasted state after the workout, then you try to shut all food down your mouth within 30 minutes of the workout. Absolutely, and then in the context of gut issues, if you have an inflamed gut, which a lot of us have and consider this, like exercise itself is creates inflammation. It's a stress on the body, it's why your body adapts, it's trying to become more resilient.

Starting point is 01:06:13 So that next time, the same stress or the same insult doesn't cause the same problems. So exercise itself, if you were to work out real hard and then we were to test your blood and test all your metrics, we would find elevated inflammatory markers, elevated cytokines, elevated C-reactive protein, because it's causing damage on the body and your body adapts, gets stronger, and that's what makes you healthy. But in that state of inflammation, may not be the best time to eat right away, especially

Starting point is 01:06:40 if you've already got gut issues, because the inflammation that you're experiencing post-workout is local to the muscles you train, but it's also systemic. Your whole body experiences some inflammation. And when your gut is inflamed, and if it's already in kind of bad shape, eating food in that state is a, you're asking for trouble because now you have an inflamed gut,

Starting point is 01:07:01 you're already kind of have gut issues. Now you're inflamed from your workout. Pitching the problems. Yeah, now I'm eating all this food. And by the way, And then when you have a food that is a religious food that you eat every single time after you work out, you're more likely to have it.

Starting point is 01:07:14 It's created in tolerance, right? And not only that, but exercise is sympathetic. It's not parasympathetic. So now let's take it a step further. Before you work out, you have some kind of a stimuli. Caffeine, coffee, or a pre-workout. So now I'm really chemically putting my body in this fight or flight sympathetic state,

Starting point is 01:07:32 which is beneficial for your workout, or I'm gonna give you a better workout. Not beneficial for digestion, though. Digestion is literally parasympathetic, it's the opposite. It's the rest and digest. So now I'm sympathetic from all the stimulants, and I just worked out which is sympathetic because it's typing my body up and I'm inflamed

Starting point is 01:07:48 and I throw food down my gulet, not necessarily the best idea. I love saying gulet. Yeah, not exactly the best idea if you have, you know, issues and stuff. So what do you do? Well, I think the best thing to do would be to wait about an hour post workout,

Starting point is 01:08:04 but if you're one of these, I love the best thing to do would be to wait about an hour post workout But if you're one of these I love having my shake post workout or I love eating post workout And I do workout later or I do like the quick Recovery from it and I'm everything else is maximize my diets perfect my sleep is perfect my workouts perfect So I'm trying to maximize every little detail and you want to have something post workout. What I recommend is if you do eat, make sure you eat something that is not inflammatory or eat something that's anti-inflammatory. One of the most anti-inflammatory foods you can consume and that's also great for your gut.

Starting point is 01:08:38 In fact, it's recommended quite commonly for people with irritable bowel syndrome or crone disease or really, really bad digestive issues. Tumoric. Tumoric. Tumoric is a great one. So what I would recommend is either you can either buy raw turmeric, which is gross, or you could have food that sees in with the shit ton of turmeric, which takes time

Starting point is 01:08:59 or whatever, or what you could do. And it's very inexpensive, as you could buy high quality turmeric powder in a supplement form, which organify sells a very high quality turmeric. It's organic, it's tested to be pure, you can take their pure turmeric capsules with your protein shake post workout, or with your food post workout,

Starting point is 01:09:22 to reduce the inflammation, to reduce the chances of developing gut issues, and probably enhance recovery because you're reducing some of the inflammation. You're gonna heal a little bit faster, especially if you're working out pretty hard and pushing the limit, or you could do the other thing,

Starting point is 01:09:35 which is take the gold, the organic, gold juice, which is a lot of turmeric, lemon balm, and some other anti-inflammatory things, which will also help induce parasympathetic recovery. So that's kind of hacking it, right? So what do you think about doing that? Would you still recommend waiting though longer than 30 minutes? I think waiting about an hour post-workout is probably better for more people than not,

Starting point is 01:10:00 but if you're one of these people you like eating post-workout, because I'm one of those people sometimes, like, after a hard workout, I don like eating post workout, because I'm one of those people sometimes, like after a hard workout, I don't know what it, maybe I'm conditioned, like one of my favorite things to do at a hard workout is have a big meal. It just feels like, oh, you know. Well, I conditioned myself because I needed to get enough meals and to get enough calories.

Starting point is 01:10:18 And so when I was, especially when I was younger, not so much now, it's different now, especially if I'm not moving around like I am, I'm not right now, but when I'm on the gain and I'm trying to build muscle and I'm moving around, especially when I was training clients, you know, getting 5,000 calories in on a regular basis is just, that's not easy, especially when you're trying to make whole food choices.

Starting point is 01:10:36 Yeah, try skipping meals and doing that. Yeah, right, exactly. You know, that's like three, you know, 1700 calorie meals a summer degree. Yeah, and who's gonna eat 3, 1700 calories here? I think that's whole foods, that's crazy. So, you know, I'm trying to shoot for these 800 to 1000 calorie type meals and I'm still consuming 4, 5 meals

Starting point is 01:10:53 minimum that way. For me, it used to be like, as soon as I work out, I was naturally hungry and so I want to eat as soon as I can eat because I want to turn around and eat again in two hours because I'm still trying to get meal number four and five in of the day. And that's where I think, that's the only people that I understand

Starting point is 01:11:10 why you would get where you're trying to push this five and six meal thing. Like, I don't get having six, you know, 200 and something calorie meals. Like, that's just, ideal. That's crazy to me. Like that. From what I've studied or what I've read in the literature

Starting point is 01:11:25 I would say the ideal Post-workout meal would consist of Obviously some protein some carbohydrates to replenish glycogen and have amino acid So I like white rice because white rice is easy to digest or buckwheat some gluten-free I would do a form of protein You can do a protein powder, but if you do do a protein powder, go for organic minimally processed type powder. Organify again makes a really good protein powder.

Starting point is 01:11:53 I have the most sensitive gut, and it's one of the few protein powders I can consume, and not have any issues. And here's the other thing, cholesterol post workout. Excellent for recovery. Your blood cholesterol drops considerably post workout because your body's using up that cholesterol for rebuilding for repairing because that's what cholesterol is. It's like the small you'll use to build and repair things and create hormones

Starting point is 01:12:16 theoretically consuming a high cholesterol meal post workout. Probably a good idea. So like some egg yolks, some chicken, some rice, and then throwing some anti-inflammatory, you know, foods, either like fish oil and maybe turmeric or the gold juice. If you're really dialing everything in, it would probably be a good idea. I bet you that sounds so incredibly shocking to people still. I know. That's like this. What you just said there is a complete contradiction from everything they've known. Dude, if you, it's a scientific fact,

Starting point is 01:12:48 test your cholesterol, go work out real hard, test the right afterward. You will have a significant drop in your number. In fact, if you want to cheat on your cholesterol test, let's say you're gonna go get life insurance and they're gonna test your blood because they want to see what your cholesterol levels are and they'll judge your, because that's what they do. They take your blood, they do all these tests and then based off that, they'll give test your blood because they wanna see what your cholesterol levels are and they'll judge your,

Starting point is 01:13:05 cause that's what they do. They take your blood, they do all these tests and then based off that, they'll give you your rate. Right before your test, go do a hard ass workout, have them test and they'll be like, oh, triglycerides look good, cholesterol looks good. Like people don't realize that, that number's, it changes.

Starting point is 01:13:17 Yeah, totally varies depending on, but yeah, post workout cholesterol, man, that was a game changer for me. When I push my body to the limit, have some egg yolks or some chicken liver or something like that, and it's like, you just feel it. Yeah, Vince Garonda, old-school bodybuilders to promote that back in the day. Next question is from Man Unkind 13.

Starting point is 01:13:36 We often hear to mix up our exercise routines because our bodies adapt very quickly as in weeks. With that same logic, why haven't our bodies adapted to highly processed foods in the last hundred years? That's never made sense to me. The human body is very quick to adapt, but please keep eating the foods that we ate thousands of years ago if you want to be healthy and free of disease.

Starting point is 01:13:58 Well, you're talking about two different systems. Totally. Yeah, you're talking about two different things. When you're talking about your body adapting to this physical stress that you're putting on it, that's pretty consistently the same as far as what you're talking about two different things. When you're talking about your body adapting to this physical stress that you're putting on it, that's pretty consistently the same as far as what you're doing to chemicals and things that we've created. I know lane licks, the fuck, and everything's a chemical.

Starting point is 01:14:14 Well, processed, fake, and food that didn't. Things we've never been interested in. Yeah, our bodies have never been introduced for hundreds, thousands of years. It's totally different. Totally. Totally different. We've only been consuming highly processed foods in large quantities for the last 40 to 50 years max.

Starting point is 01:14:30 Right, maybe a little bit adapted in 2000 more years and we're going through some shitty-ass growing pains right now. First of all, it takes thousands of years for these kind of, like for example, the our ability to adapt to resistance training is itself an evolution that took thousands of years. Humans adapted thousands of years to be able to have the ability to adapt to resistance training

Starting point is 01:14:52 to build or resistance in general to build muscles. So in another itself, you're not understanding how long it took the body humans to have that evolutionary process that now we can adapt to resistance. Now our ability to adapt to highly processed foods, fuck this shit's, it's a blink of the eye. There's only been like maybe two or three generations that have had to deal with this. And so give it some time and we're slowing down the evolution process.

Starting point is 01:15:19 You know why? Because we keep ourselves, everybody alive. Alive long enough to make it right. Right. Well that's the thing. It's like the evolutionary process if we're able to then adapt and go forward. Usually the lineage or the genes like don't keep passing on,

Starting point is 01:15:34 but we keep passing on the ones that aren't successful. That's right, that's right. So if it's like, you know, if we weren't like keeping us alive for long enough to reproduce, then you might see it happen a little bit faster. But I think there's- So let the weak die.

Starting point is 01:15:49 I think there's evolution. You're not saying. There's adapting that happens within your own body when you eat certain foods that are micro-adaptions, but that's different than evolution. Evolution takes a long time. If we keep eating this way, and we don't figure out what we're going to, how to fix this.

Starting point is 01:16:05 At some point, I'm sure you're gonna probably have people that are more resilient to like diabetes, more resilient to obesity related illness and stuff like that because- Yeah, the ones are dying off. Yeah, you won't be breeding with them. And if we keep going this direction, you're right, we could just keep going this way

Starting point is 01:16:21 and we probably will still evolve. The weak ones will die off. The ones that are resilient enough will breed off. The ones that are resilient enough will breed with the other ones that are resilient enough and will breed it out of us potentially. But I certainly, if I'm already battling some of the shit, like I'm not gonna just wait till I die. I'm fighting the shit.

Starting point is 01:16:36 I'm not gonna just wait till I die. I'm not gonna just wait till I die. I'm fighting the shit. I'm not gonna just wait till I die. I'm fighting the shit. I'm fighting the shit. I'm fighting the shit. I'm fighting the shit.

Starting point is 01:16:44 I'm fighting the shit. I'm fighting the shit. I'm fighting the shit. I'm fighting the okay, I'm willing to make that back to the earlier topic today, which is this, I'm bargaining with my future self. For me, it's as much as that instant pleasure of throwing candy in my mouth is, if I can sacrifice that to have a healthier, better version of myself in the future, like I'm making that choice, right? At least I'm going to try and make that choice 90% of the time. I used to have this book when I was a kid, it was so cool, right? And it was this artist rendition of what aliens would look like

Starting point is 01:17:11 on the planets in our solar system, based on the environments of the planets. Right, so like, you know, this planet is covered in ice, so then there'd probably be animals with like natural ice skates and all these different things. And then in the book, it showed what this artist thought humans would evolve to based on, like if we allowed natural evolution to happen, how would humans look

Starting point is 01:17:32 a thousand years from now with technology and stuff? And it was this really obese blob with this intelligence that allows us to process lots of information. So big head. Big head really overweight on a hovercraft. So our legs shriveled. Yeah. Because we don't need legs anymore.

Starting point is 01:17:51 We're floating around everyone. We have these kind of weak looking arms, but with these really long fingers, because we're always pushing buttons, like with technology, it was fucking grotesque. And as a kid, it freaked me out. I was like 10 years old, I look like. I'm like, oh my god, we're gonna look like that.

Starting point is 01:18:05 Now it takes a long time to evolve. I don't think, and you know what? Process foods change so fast. Anyway, they keep inventing new shit to make it taste different and whatever. At some point, they keep what they keep doing is it's like the old supplement hustles. They keep inventing shit till we find out,

Starting point is 01:18:21 oh shit, that's not good for you. That's a long-term Oops. Let's try another compound That's just a little bit different, but it's kind of the same thing You know, I'm saying it's a different name and it hasn't been banned and put bunch. It's not hasn't got a bad bunch of bad Pub from it yet. It's the hustle dude. How when's the last time have you guys ever tasted those like vegan meat products recently? Have you ever tasted them? No, man. Okay, so I I know a horrible idea. I haven't done it recently, but you ever tasted them? No, man. How would I? So I, I had an awful idea. I haven't done it recently, but about a few years ago,

Starting point is 01:18:49 one of the people that worked in my gym bought this like vegan burger patty, okay? Right. And I totally taste like a burger. Well, here's a weird thing. I can tell the difference, but boy, did they fucking engineer that thing? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:04 I'm eating this, I'm like, this is made out of plants. This is this tastes just like a bird. Meat-ish. Yeah. Like that's some serious. I can't imagine like in 50 years what they're going to be able to create in the lab, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like they're going to be able to make something like this is like peat. No trust me. No dairy, no gluten, whatever. It tastes just like pizza. You know, pack full of nutrients and it's got all the macronutrients you need and you're gonna bite into it. We're already hacking in there with like the cauliflower pizza and stuff like that. I mean that shit that stuff is I'm I prefer that now. Yeah. I actually prefer that that it settle assists to me way better dude.

Starting point is 01:19:35 Well, look at them. That's just the recipe though. Dude, what yeah, what about bars like how crazy have they gotten? Yeah. Do you guys remember how bars used to taste when we were kids? Oh, I know. Chau, remember power bar when that first came out? It was fucking, oh shit.

Starting point is 01:19:47 I see that before. I remember basketball games. I see myself because of the calories, you know. Of course I myself eat those. When I was a kid, fucking cardboard. If I bought a protein powder or a weight gainer, I said my weight gainer's all the time,

Starting point is 01:19:59 the only flavor that you could ever get was chocolate because it was the only one that was tolerable. If you got any other flavor, like if they got like a creative and they're like pumpkin spice or some shit, tasted like dog shit. Strawberry shortcake tasted like dog shit. Chocolate was the only one that tasted

Starting point is 01:20:14 kinda like chocolate. Well nowadays, fuck me, you'll get a quest bar that tastes like you know, and apple pie. You're like, it tastes like, what'd they do? Yeah, we'll see about that. We'll see about how you can try to evolve the body I know you know, I'm able to keep up with that I doubt it I think well how crazy was that talking to Lisa bill you just yesterday and you know being a part co-founder of quest and not even Be able to eat quest boxes over grattish shoes. Yeah, dude like that fucking So the irony there, right bro. I'm telling you, I think, I don't know, man. I obviously, I think process is playing a big role

Starting point is 01:20:49 and all these, these gutted, it's so common now, it's so crazy to me. Yeah. Well, it's so crazy to me because it's like nothing else that I can at least compare to that every other industry, it's like, as we get smarter, it thinks tend to evolve. Like, I mean, we are getting sicker.

Starting point is 01:21:04 It's all the numbers, all the stats, everything point that way, but yet we're supposed to be getting smarter and more knowledgeable about our body. How the fuck is it? You know what? That to me is like, it's obvious there's something wrong with the message, big time wrong with the message. If that's where we're heading

Starting point is 01:21:18 and we know so much more supposed. Well, we haven't, I mean, the chronic issues, I think, that we're just starting to address, you know, as opposed to like, yeah, we can fix people like acutely, like pretty damn well. We've traded the two. We've traded acute illness for chronic illness. I think the evolution in the future is not natural evolution.

Starting point is 01:21:36 I don't think humans are gonna naturally evolve. I think the evolution is gonna be technological where you're gonna start having nanobots and shit in your body. And that's where my mind goes. That's what you're gonna do. Yeah, even then with, you're gonna start having nanobots and shit in your body. That's what my mind goes. That's what you're up to. Yeah, even then, you mentioned the artist rendering and obesity, that wouldn't serve us. So then there's gonna be some kind of nanobot.

Starting point is 01:21:56 I think that's gonna adjust your metabolism and all that shit. Imagine it being so easy- Upload right in front of you and tell you what systems are doing bad on your body. Like cardiovascular system is starting to decrease. It's running at 60% optimization. Like it goes each way. Everything is automatically regulated for you.

Starting point is 01:22:15 And you're not even gonna think, which we're gonna just turn into slaves to this technology. Dude, think about these nanobots. You could like, you know, you could eat something and then throw in some nanobots that are gonna make the, you know, the sugar, you know, affect your pink, pink, or fuck it, they'll shuttle it like when you need it specifically,

Starting point is 01:22:32 but hold on to it otherwise. Oh, it's gonna be whatever. That's what I think it's gonna be, that's what the evolution's gonna come from. And then maybe who knows, maybe we're fucking, yeah, we're inherently late. Maybe we'll reach, maybe we'll go out of business, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:22:44 Maybe the future's like, no, no fitness. Well, yeah, seriously, it'll be dinosaur. Maybe you will be able to consume some of this bad, this shit that's inside of it. And the nano bots will be able to go in and defend this, the bad stuff. And then you can still consume whatever the fuck you want. And you know what'll happen?

Starting point is 01:22:57 Well, that would be crazy. You know what'll happen? When people can be fit and healthy without discipline, without sacrifice, they're going to find very quickly that that is not the key to happiness. They're going to find it real fast. It'll be just like getting millions of millions of dollars overnight. That's why I wrote it.

Starting point is 01:23:15 The future is the division right down the middle. It's the plug, the numplug, the n community. That's like a good sci-fi book. I feel like you should write that. If I could write. This is already part of my sci-book. It's's already I might have read it wait wait till it comes out You'll be waiting a long time And by then it'll all happen already. Oh, man

Starting point is 01:23:35 Exactly what I was gonna write about you know the non-fiction you know my pup is struggling when we pre-sell Justin's book Oh, I can't wait for that day, dude. I can't wait. What would you call us? Justin's finally coming out with his sci-fi. What's the title of? A series. Am I gonna throw that out there? Someone's gonna steal it. Oh, I forgot it.

Starting point is 01:23:50 I'm saying an Ausset. All right, I'll say the spectrum. The spectrum? Yeah. Oh, cool. That's actually a cool name. It is. He's like, I have it really well thought out.

Starting point is 01:23:58 I'm running it down right now. Don't use that. I'll know. Mind pump. Audience. Yeah. Next up is Steph Burns. What would you say is a correlation ratio between all of your fitness success and business success? Has this ratio changed over time?

Starting point is 01:24:16 Oh, wow. Huge correlation. Cool. Huge correlation. The discipline, the structure, the, you know, I put hard work in, and then I see results afterwards. The learning how to deal with myself that comes that came from fitness, 100% translates to business success. In fact, I don't know about you guys,

Starting point is 01:24:39 but every time I've trained in entrepreneur who wasn't working out before, after they start getting into working out, every single one of them comments that they're better at work because they started working out. Productivity goes great. This is an interesting question though, because I have some people that I know a lot of people

Starting point is 01:24:55 actually that have a lot of fitness success, but they don't have a lot of business sense. So for us, I think that ratio is very high and it translates, which is also what connects all of us and why we are good friends and like each other outside of just the business aspect is, we respect everyone's business and fitness mind equally. And I think that that isn't as common for everybody. I don't think that's, I think there's a, it's talking to spectrum. I think there's a wide spectrum of people that fall in all pieces here because I knew some some guys and girls that

Starting point is 01:25:28 I mean they could dial their bodies in because they understood they understood what they need to do so well But then they just no idea about business and you see it's it's actually pretty good It's because they're myopic like that's all they focus on is really improving their body and they don't expand off of that. I think I've seen that with some athletes and some people that are trying to get up on stage. They're just consumed with the thought that their body has to be this certain way.

Starting point is 01:25:56 And then the actual business end of it like it kind of takes a back. Well, the answers are there in that, right? That's the formula for success. Even those people that aren't aware of it, they actually have the answers are there in that, right? That's the formula for success, right? If you, even those people that aren't aware of it, they actually have the answers, it's just that you gotta learn to take what they applied to get there to business also.

Starting point is 01:26:13 So what did it sacrifice, consistency, hard work, trial and error, you know what I'm saying? Failing a lot. I don't think it's a guarantee that you're gonna be like, I don't think if you're like, great of fitness is guaranteed to make you good at other things, but I think the skills required to be good at fitness in a real sense,

Starting point is 01:26:33 not like obsessive, like, you know, bad eating disorder times. What do we mean by skill of fitness? Well, the mentality of it translates very well to this. That's what I mean, the skill of like, consistency, sacrifice, like hard work, you know, scheduling, like prioritizing, because it all requires all those things, right? To be fit, you got to be consistent, which requires prioritizing things that are important,

Starting point is 01:26:53 and sacrificing, okay, I'm not going to go drink tonight because tomorrow morning I don't work out, like all these different things, and I think those skills are, there's two things, I think A, you develop them through fitness. And B, people who are good at fitness might already have a propensity to be drawn towards those things. So while you were talking at them, I did a quick search on Google. Here's five surprising statistics about entrepreneurs.

Starting point is 01:27:19 Trip off this. Entrepreneurs, when they do these polls, about 58% of them say they exercise at least 30 minutes a day three times a week. Now that's not every one of them, but that's way fucking higher than the average person. By far, yeah. By far, right? Here's another one. They also 63% of entrepreneurs eat five or more servings of produce every four days. In other words, they eat more than a single, more than a serving of vegetables a day, which is way more than the average person. They're less likely to be obese.

Starting point is 01:27:51 So they're 4% less likely to be obese than managers and executives and 5% less likely to be obese than office workers. So that's significant. And they, 17% of, but they, oh, here's the other one though, they smoke more, entrepreneurs tend to smoke more than the average person. So I think that's more of a result of like, stress.

Starting point is 01:28:12 Yeah, being like, I gotta be on the go type of thing. But ultimately, I think the things that make you good at fitness, you can translate a little bit right to what makes you good at business. And I think if you're an entrepreneur and you're not working out. Well, what do you think the ratio is for, he's asking us personally, right? What would you say the correlation between, which is that?

Starting point is 01:28:32 How does it help us personally, I guess, right? Has this changed, has this ratio changed over time? You know, I, I entered fitness with more of a passion for sales and business. So I, I was already into that, even though I was heading down the Kinesh direction, when I fell into fitness, the part of the whole thing that I really was fascinated by was entrepreneurship, the company selling. I just, the art of communication, these things,

Starting point is 01:29:01 I was more intrigued by that, that I actually was of the science of fitness. Now that's not to say that I wasn't loving that too, because I was learning a lot about myself as I was going through learning as a trainer in my early years. So I definitely think that my ratio has changed. I like to think I'm more of a 50-50 split now, where I was probably more like a 90-10 when I first came in and maybe even the first few 10, 10 years or so. I've been a serial entrepreneur, I've always been into selling,

Starting point is 01:29:34 I've always been into business. I like reading and watching documentaries and stuff like that. I love reading autobiographies on big, launcher panoours, this is the stuff that I really dig. I wasn't, like, Sal reads more studies, and this is where we're definitely different. Like, I think that, if you were to skin us back, I think our ratios, and this is why we work so well,

Starting point is 01:29:57 is where one of us may be really, really more dominant in an area like this, that's where our passion is, or a little less on the other. I think now, though, we're all maybe kind of a nice closer mix of the head. It took me a bit to discover that I was an entrepreneur. So, you know, going through the, like, I know too, like you said fitness, but for me, fitness to me

Starting point is 01:30:17 meant more like sports related. So like being on teams and, you know, communicating with other people and becoming a leader within my role in the team. And going through that sort of a journey, my ratio was very much more heavily focused on maybe the fitness side. And then I grew into the entrepreneurship, which now is definitely predominating. It's probably even more so than the fitness fitness just because that was like my foundational baseline.

Starting point is 01:30:47 Like I built everything on top of that. And so now it's like I just get so passionate now about what, where business, like what I'm doing business-wise, where it's taking me, because now I consider more than myself. I consider my family, I consider, you know, how to provide, you know, all that kind of stuff is very much more of a high priority than myself. I consider my family, I consider how to provide, all that kind of stuff is very much more of a high priority than previous. It's all, for me, it's all about what fulfills me. So if I was, let's say I was stuck in a job that, you know, let's say I was in a situation

Starting point is 01:31:17 where I needed to make money and I had to take a job that wasn't like a passion of mine, right? But I had to make money and whatever. I'd probably be more fitness than business because my fitness would be my outlet, that's what would fulfill me. But because of what we do is so fulfilling and because it's all integrated,

Starting point is 01:31:37 it's hard to separate the two. Like my personal fitness now, like I don't really chase aesthetics, I don't chase personal PRs really that much. It's fun when they happen, but it's not like I'm like, I'm not sitting here like, okay, this is my number one goal. I used to be like that when I was much younger, but now it's all kind of the same. It just fulfills me.

Starting point is 01:31:57 I love working out because it feels good. I love the fun of it. I like the way it makes me feel. And then I love the way it helps me perform. Same thing with diet. When my diet is is good, I'm not eating, my motivations for eating right now are I care about myself, so I like taking care of myself and then my other motivations are when I eat like really well, I am way more effective on the podcast and way more effective on the YouTube channel, way more effective when we interview for men's cause we have all

Starting point is 01:32:23 my, like I notice a fucking night and day, like you check it out, my diet is so good before we go on trips and we're gonna interview people because I know when I'm gonna sit down in front of, you know, whatever, like we just interview with Lane Norton, that was amazing, fire, and I was sharp because I watched, I wanted to be like, I wanted to maximize my performance

Starting point is 01:32:43 and I know my mind is sharp, and I get the best ideas, and I think the best when I do well with my diet and nutrition. So it's a little bit different now, but business fulfills me in the sense that I, maybe not so driven by money, I like the money for sure. I just like feeling like I'm doing something impactful.

Starting point is 01:33:04 It sounds kind of what's your what's your ratio though like if you were to look at like what you where you were when you first started you know I mean I I think that I think I'm like 50 50 and the way I look at this is the way I'm like measuring it is like the amount of knowledge and where I'm consuming it so like what you're learning yeah like? Yeah, so I'll say this. Like, so the last two books I read, and I don't even plan this. This is just kind of naturally where my mind is at right now.

Starting point is 01:33:31 The last book I'm reading currently right now is neuroscience and psychology. So there's kind of the fitness side of me that like is consuming that type of knowledge. But the book right before that was rework, which is all business, right? So, and if you look back at all the books that I've read in the last year and a half,

Starting point is 01:33:47 it's kind of a natural kind of split of, this is what I'm consuming a ton, besides my experience, sure, I've got years of experience in fitness, sure I've got years of experience in business. And both are equally relevant. Right, but when I think of what, where I'm at right now, personally,

Starting point is 01:34:03 and how that's evolved and changed, when I first started, I was heavy business, didn't know very much about fitness. I become more knowledgeable at fitness and I've slowly took that from a 90-10 ratio to kind of this 50-50 ratio and I'm kind of maintaining that as what I would say. It's hard to say because it's not even necessarily fitness

Starting point is 01:34:22 that interests me to read about. It's just, I'm interested in whatever I'm interested in. Now, do I read business books? I read a lot of economics books. I don't know. It's not specifically business. It's more, it's kind of general. I don't know if how much it communicates with business.

Starting point is 01:34:39 It does in a sense, but it's not specifically. It does a lot. That's the reason why you still have a very intelligent business mind. Because it does translate a lot in there. There's obviously some benefits to to being more just on that. I tell you what, it's, I mean, it's one of the reasons why I live working with you guys is where our interests are different, but complimentary. Right, right.

Starting point is 01:35:01 That's exactly why I think it's really cool is that it probably wouldn't be as successful if everybody was kind of the same ratio. And I think that the answer, the bringing it all back to the question is that, I guess it's going to be different for every single person and how they find success. Absolutely. Next question is from J. Cisnaros. If you guys get big enough, then what? How do you maintain your authenticity? Well, what does that mean? That's so staying real, you know, being real being, you know, I know a way to do our stuff. What is what is big enough? Yeah, what's, yeah, I know what's big enough. I don't know. I think Katrina and I just had this conversation at dinner there tonight and She asked me that she goes something similar to what I think he's asking, which is, you know, what do you get?

Starting point is 01:35:47 You know, when you guys are doing like really big things and there's like tons of people and like everything you're experiencing is a hundred times more, like, do you think you're gonna totally change? And I'm like, well, I'm sure I'm gonna change. Like, I've been changing every, you're probably have to just,

Starting point is 01:36:01 right, and I'm definitely different than when we first started. Right, right. So I said, I'm sure I'm going to change, but. And I'm definitely different than when we first started. Right, right. So I said, I'm sure I'm going to change, but one of the things I appreciate, and this is again, appreciating the journey, is the way we have grown is different than I think, a lot of people grow on social media.

Starting point is 01:36:17 I think a lot of people create something that gets shared that's viral and then they're attached to that, where we've had to kind of build this thing like a legitimate business. It's taken us a very long time to get to where we're at with the staffing that we have and revenue that everyone's generating. So I think we've experienced a little bit more of the success, a little bit more of the success,

Starting point is 01:36:38 a little bit, it's been this nice gradual progression for us and I think each time, and we've all done this, right? We've all, you know, it's Sal and I after the LA Fed we've all done this right we've all you know Sal and I after the LA FedExpo, you know sat in the room together and we were just like damn dude That was crazy. I wasn't expecting that like I would we didn't tell anybody we said it like one time in the show We'd be there and you know those people that waited in line to talk to us for an hour, dude Like that was that was the first time that I had really any of us had really experienced that level of it before that It was you know,

Starting point is 01:37:05 other things that we noticed. And so I think that because we have slowly felt that, over time, I think we're gonna remain who we are. I don't think we're, as far as our authenticity, right? As far as our message and what we believe in and our connection to our people, and I don't think it would ever waver our integrity. And I think a lot of that,

Starting point is 01:37:25 because I don't know what it would be like if I was 25 years old, and all of a sudden we're making this company's worth millions of dollars and we're making all this money, and all these people, and we have this taste of fame. What would that feel like? I think that would be much, and that's why too, I'm compassionate

Starting point is 01:37:38 when I meet somebody like a Bradley Martin who's only 27 years old, and he's got all this attention around him, and he's got tons of people that love him, and then he's got all this attention around him, and he's got tons of people that love him, and then he's got a lot of people that hate on him. And it's like, this poor young guy, dude, is like, probably never experienced anything like this, you know, back up five years before that. He was just a normal normal.

Starting point is 01:37:56 I like you can just turn that off. Yeah, dude, could you imagine being that young and then getting that much attention right out the gate? It's like, I feel like we're ready for that. Like, I think all of us, let's put it this way. None of us want that to the point where we always want to put people in front of us. Like, it's not about us.

Starting point is 01:38:11 And it's never been about feeding an ego. And that's why it's always worked. I don't think that'll ever change. And so, I think that's where we're. I think part of that, too, is, you know, here's the thing. Like, this is a subject that's been a passion of mine for a long time because I'm very interested in why people behave the way they do when they get lots of power. So I've done lots of personal study on politicians and leaders and like,

Starting point is 01:38:40 why did, you know, celebrities and people who, when they reach a certain level, like, why do they behave the way that they behave? It's insane. Like, what makes them think that? And then you go even deeper, look at celebrities, look at bands that produce, like, incredible music or partners that produce incredible movies, and then all of a sudden, like, they fucking break up or they hate each other, and you look at and you're like, what are you guys doing? You guys are making great music. Why would you do that?

Starting point is 01:39:07 Like you guys are so successful. Why would you sabotage it? And it's the ego. Your ego kicks in, you all of a sudden think, and I'm gonna tell you something right now, as awesome as we think we are, we are not immune. In fact, it's probably better that we assume

Starting point is 01:39:21 that that is a reality and that we choose not to go in that direction versus thinking I'm not capable of that because I've never been in a situation like that. I've never been in a situation where all these people think everything I say is fucking awesome. I'll tell you what, I've been talking about, I've been debating politics forever on Facebook. Okay, it's just a passion, am I right?

Starting point is 01:39:41 All of a sudden, I'll do it now. I'll do a post or something on my Instagram, and I'm getting people commenting or DMing me, who are like, wow, you really changed my political view, Sal, that's awesome. I'm like, what? That's never happened before. Nobody ever changes the political view.

Starting point is 01:39:56 And it's because of the perceived authority because I have a podcast and whatever. And that can quickly go to your head, now where you think you're the fucking man and whatever and so The checks and not only can it it happens a lot It happens a lot it happens a lot more often than not. I think and again It's going back to what I was said about I think that's where we've been lucky to Have get just bits of it along the way. I mean it would be really overwhelming to also go for no one's listening

Starting point is 01:40:25 to you to where tens of thousands of people are doing whatever you tell them to do. Well, I think that could really fuck with somebody's help. Yeah, I think too, like it all depends on what you become famous for. You know, like what you've established, what, you know, what the mission that drove you to success versus like, you know, what, like what's keeping you there? Right. And so that's why I don't, I don't see any problem with it. Like I used to have a real big problem with being noticed, you know, like, or like the idea of having some sort of a platform and fame and like attention where I'm like, dude, I just want to be in the background.

Starting point is 01:40:57 I wouldn't be the guy that like, you know, put somebody out there, you know, I'll make a good living for myself and whatever. And I'm totally cool with that. Whereas it's changed, it's already changed because the driving message of the route of what we're trying to accomplish is something that people will benefit their lives and their lifestyle. And it's pretty bold to say it's gonna change, you know, somewhat

Starting point is 01:41:27 of like the way that people perceive fitness and all that, but that's like our goals. It's really like shake that up. Well, there's been happening. There's a couple of things that make me feel like good about this, because this always worries me. I'm like, okay, I'm working with these dudes. What if shit goes fuck, and we crush, and it just explodes, and we're massive. Like, how is that gonna affect everybody's personalities

Starting point is 01:41:48 and egos and all that? And there's a couple of things that give me a little bit of comfort. One is every single person on this podcast, and even Doug, behind the podcast, all of us are super reluctant to, when it comes to fame. None of us like it, which I find fascinating. Like, when people recognize us and come talk to us,

Starting point is 01:42:07 like we help them or whatever, but there's a little bit of like fuck, like my, you know, I'm not anonymous anymore, you know? Like I don't necessarily, like if I have my kids, I definitely don't like to be a, you know, recognize. I don't like to, so that kind of makes me feel good. Like none of us are seeking it. I don't think any of us are doing this for fame at all.

Starting point is 01:42:23 In fact, we've talked so much about how in the future we could become less of the front and more of the back or whatever, because of that. So that makes me feel good. And the other thing that makes me feel good is we all check each other pretty well. I know for a fact if my head gets too big, I can rely on clockwork that I'm gonna get checked

Starting point is 01:42:43 by somebody on my team. 100%. It's gonna happen. Someone's gonna check me. And I guaranteework that I'm gonna get checked by somebody on my team 100% It's gonna happen someone's gonna check me and I guarantee you I'm gonna check when you guys If that should happen and so that is gonna be like the only thing that would ever worry me is if all of our heads get so Fucking big that we all just blow each other all we'll bind to the same bulls just a big circle jerk Yeah, we're so cool. Oh, yeah, that's a good idea And but then the third thing is, that's a good idea. But then the third thing is that there's a higher, we always remind ourselves of a higher purpose

Starting point is 01:43:10 of what we're doing. Like, okay, this is what we're really trying to do. Let's just remember this, just remember this, just remember this. And if we keep aiming towards a higher purpose, it'll maintain our integrity. Because if we change that and it becomes about other things, you can start to lose your focus

Starting point is 01:43:24 and you start to chase the shiny, you can start to lose your focus and you start to chase the shiny object or whatever and then you change who you want. And I just feel like authenticity is inversely related to integrity and that's something that's been like a state. We would lose everything if we lose our integrity. That's what, I mean, that was what, how will we build this whole thing on? And it's easier, it's actually easier now than it was before, I believe. I believe when we are climbing up the mountain right now and trying to be a top podcast in

Starting point is 01:43:48 the health and fitness space, you know, and then we started getting these supplement companies that want to talk to us, man, we entertained a lot of that stuff. We entertained it in our heads like fuck, and we always stuck back to our original message as this, we can't do that. This is what we share and we talk about. But then we also like, well, listen, we're going to be able to share and talk to anybody if we can't keep the fucking lights on. So this discussion has to be had.

Starting point is 01:44:07 Like how could we do this? Or would this be a possibility? And we did a lot of that for the first year or two. And we're in a position now where, we know that we could sustain the business as is. And we don't necessarily have to grow. Now all of us want to grow, but we could sustain it the way it is right now

Starting point is 01:44:24 and not have to add any other pieces to it. And I think all of us want to grow, but we could sustain it the way it is right now and not have to add any other pieces to it. And I think all of us agree, we'd rather keep our integrity, keep our authenticity and stay the same size we are now and continue to provide better service, better stuff for the core group that we have that are attached to us, then grow to this massive size and lose our authenticity, right?

Starting point is 01:44:44 So I think we are all in agreement. That's right, man. It's that quote, you know, what is it? Man cannot live on bread alone. Love that quote, such a so much wisdom in that. Like, you know, what is team fire? What is no, man, I'm not, stop it. I'm not trying to pre, I'm not bringing it just short.

Starting point is 01:44:59 I'm not preaching real soon here, the Bible verse. Yeah, he doesn't even know it, you know what I'm saying? It starts throwing out shit of like, yeah, bro, that's King's 370. Yeah, he doesn't even know it, you know what I'm saying? He starts throwing out shit of like, yeah, bro, that's King's 370. Yeah, he is. He's just, it's actually not know that. It's just the wise, it's a wise quote. I don't care if I'm not, I'm not a religious person

Starting point is 01:45:14 for the ranges of seeing his death. You know, I, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a kid one. You know, what worth is money and all success and all that shit, if your soul is corrupted, if you're not authentic, if you're fake, that is actually the definition of hell. And if you don't believe me, look at all those celebrities with all the money

Starting point is 01:45:31 and all that fame who die of drug overdoses, who have three marriages and divorces and who you know kill themselves because they're too depressed. Like there you go, there's your evidence right there. So I'm not looking for money and fame unless that's the side effect of me being authentic. How's that sound? There you go. Thank you very much. Check it out. Go to the app store, download the Mind Pump app. You can actually search topics.

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