Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 721: Best Way to Bulk, Contaminated Protein Powders, Incorporating Big Lift Variations into Your Routine & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this sexy episode, is it sexy? Of mind, pub! The first 48 minutes we do our introductory carnivantsation we start off and drop some toilet paper knowledge started off by talking about the science It's right of toilet paper. You know avoid that itchy ass I get the the moniker of the science guy on mine pump not we talk about toilet paper

Starting point is 00:00:38 Adam is the genius there We also we also talk about Adams the one time he quit his job Because it was too fucking hard for him Get out of here. He was a beehive mover We talk about this stubborn children. I had a wonderful experience this morning with my daughter We talk about canelo alvarez's positive test for claim buterol. This is a performance Steroid and. This is a performance. Not the steroid of choice. It's a performance, I don't know, not enhancing drug. I don't know why it's considered one.

Starting point is 00:01:08 But what an idiot for taking that. He says it was in his chicken. We talk about the rise in teen depression and the use of smartphones. People, psychologists actually think they're connected now. It's kind of scary. Talk about controlling electronic use. And then we talked about ordering products from Thrive Market. And then we talked about ordering products from Thrive Market. And I did that with my kids. Now, we are sponsored by Thrive Market. If you go to ThriveMarket.com forward slash Mind Pump,

Starting point is 00:01:32 and you can get one month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and free shipping. Then we get into the questions. Now, the first question was, what are our thoughts on the recent study on protein powders? They did this consumer report study that went in and tested a bunch of protein powders and found that most of them were contaminated

Starting point is 00:01:53 with heavy metals and pesticides and all kinds of crazy shimmy stuff. And so I got all angry and I contacted to organify. Some of the top organic products in the business. Yeah, and I contacted them pretty disappointed and I share with you guys what they told us about their products now Organifi is I did will go ham if you go to Organifi shop.com enter the code mine pump you will get a discount the second question is what is the best approach to bulking? Adam actually gives two examples. If I was bulking and if Justin was bulking,

Starting point is 00:02:29 what would he do? Yeah, with both of us. He would not let me have pizza. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the next question was, what's the best way to incorporate big lift variations into a program? You know, like trap bar dead lifts, front squats, other types of lifts that look like those core lifts?

Starting point is 00:02:43 How do you put those in a program in an intelligent and effective way? Finally, the last question was, what are our thoughts on the new study that came out showing that caffeine inhibits adaptation that was induced by high intensity interval type workouts? In other words, does taking caffeine reduce the stamina and endurance you can build from your training his coffee fucking your results. Don't tell me that's I know. It's kind of crazy. Also this month, one of my favorite giveaways. We do this one every once in a while. It's by far my favorite one. We are giving away free access to our forum. Normally you got to pay for that. You get in there for free. I'm on there daily, Adam's on there daily, Justin's on there daily. We have other fitness celebrities in there. And then of course lots of fitness enthusiasts and people to great community, great place to ask questions, post your program, have people criticize your forum, whatever side note on that too. A lot of people don't know this. This is for our forum listeners

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Starting point is 00:05:23 to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. So you're shipping. You're shipping address and I'll get that right out to you. Two thoughts went on Adam went on Justin. So I went came in went to the bathroom. And I know how much Adam you hate. I know one of the things in the world. I hate the most. The most. There's like, there's like three things in the world that you hate more than anything. One would be like, an authentic lazy people, that's one of them.

Starting point is 00:05:50 The other one is like, people who treat animals and children terribly, like you hate that, but terrible. And then like, one of the top three is like, single-ply toilet paper. Yes. And that arguably could be number one. It's why I have to, way up there.

Starting point is 00:06:04 So this, they don't even have, I don't even think this single plies is like half, this is the one that is shreds. Oh, I'm just starting to know, I know, I know, I use, I use, your fingers broke. I broke time. I got the technique. I have single plie at home.

Starting point is 00:06:20 This is not single plie, this is almost like half plie construction paper, toilet paper. Yeah, so Katrina. Katrina. Katrina. It disintegrates in your fingers. And if you guys is relationships, who's the saver? Who's like, who's like, always trying to save 25 cents

Starting point is 00:06:34 on something that is either relationship, who's the one who's more frugal? Oh God. Who's more frugal? We're pretty good. Are you guys? Oh, wow, you guys. We've got you pretty well.

Starting point is 00:06:42 A Katrina's for sure the frugal one. Of course. For me, you probably more so. Yeah. Petrinas always trying to save a dollar, and I'm like, there's certain things, like, don't go cheap on me. Like my toothpaste, my stuff, my toilet paper, there's certain things that, like, my deodorant,

Starting point is 00:06:55 like, that's, don't move, don't mess with that. I don't care if it's a dollar or more today. You know what's gonna happen, dude, Justin? You guys just realize right now? So, let's say all our dreams come true, mine pup explodes. We're just fucking making it. It tons, it tons, it's mine.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Mine pup is exploding, yeah. Listen, no, let's say she's really explodes. Like we're just making all this money, right? It's like, oh my god, what am I gonna do with all this money? You know what Adam's gonna do, right? It's just a pile right here in front of us. You know what he's gonna do, right? He's not gonna explode a paper anymore.

Starting point is 00:07:21 He's fucking. He's gonna have a MINDOS. No, it's gonna be a MINK. Like, he's gonna buy a mink. Oh. Like, he's gonna buy mink, like squares. Mink. Yeah, like a mink coat, you know, like that's soft. Super, you ever feel a mink?

Starting point is 00:07:31 Yeah. And he's just gonna, and then throw it away off. There's actually, there you go. I feel like that's what you're talking about. You actually don't want ultra, ultra soft. Like, I'm not like, there's like three ply now. Oh, you know what? It's overkill.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Three ply is like, like you said, it's like it's almost two-sausage. It doesn't have enough. Plus you can never go back from that, right? You want a little bit of rough, because you want a little bit of rough, because you want to make sure you get it. You're saying that. It has to be a certain grade, right?

Starting point is 00:07:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, you don't want any leftovers. Yeah, if it's like a cloud, if it's like, like, try wiping your ass with cotton balls. I mean, see how that goes. You know what? You know what? You know what? I, totally, like, underestimated ass with cotton balls. Let me see how that goes. You know what, kissing, but it doesn't like, I totally underestimated the science that goes into the, you're right.

Starting point is 00:08:11 I know. I could imagine. I know that's hard for you to say. I could imagine what it's like. I know that's very hard for you to say. I totally underestimated this atom. There's a lot that goes into. It is, there is a lot.

Starting point is 00:08:20 I wonder how much money goes into the research and development of toilet paper. Oh bro, you're a hard dude. How did you ton? So what about, let's see, use the wipes and development of toilet paper. Oh, bro, you're a hustety of ton. So what about, let's see, use the wipes. What happens? Because you get that dry itchy asshole. How do you deal with that?

Starting point is 00:08:31 From the wipes. Yeah. Good wipes, you can get good wipes with like a aloe vera and stuff on it. So it's like, these are your butts. Yes. Or you just said, dude, because I'm much for a minute. That's like itchy assholes right up there with like dirty assholes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:44 It's the same. It's almost the same Right. I think dirty asshole calls it's yeah, I don't know it's sometimes itchy, but you're right. It's you but whole Do you come on man? Yeah, I can walk around so do you remember I just don't you know I could feel like I feel Doug just He's ready to edit all the old man. Do you remember when you just had a thousand new listeners coming today? This is what they have to listen to them. It you remember when you just had a thousand new listeners coming today, this is what they had to listen to first? Damn it. Do you remember when you were a kid? No, we should do.

Starting point is 00:09:07 We should start every show with just like a little bit of good information in science and then we can go on. Then like scroll them. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Yeah, for sure. Do you remember when you were a kid and you go outside to play recess and you get all sweaty and then you come inside the classroom and sit down, but then your butt

Starting point is 00:09:19 still sweaty, so then it would start itching in class. And then you're like, ah, and then you just scoot. You remember that? Yeah, yeah. The left. So, and then they're like, oh, and then you just scoot. You remember that? Yeah, yeah. Left, right. So, and then they're like, you have ADD. No, no, no, I have things going on. Yeah, I got itchiness in my buttocks.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Let me work it up. Did I ever tell you guys the time that the only job that I ever quit on the first day, right, I'm not doing it. It wasn't really a job, it was like a side job that I was trying. You just walked out? Well, it wasn't walked out.

Starting point is 00:09:45 It was moving, transporting beehives. That was it. What? I never told you guys this. You go from milking udders to beehive moving. There must have been a lot of fun around. Was there like a horrendous on some of this? There was like a terrible market where you were at.

Starting point is 00:10:00 That goes your off. Well, though, listen. It just, last week it was wild, right? With the ghost rider here in town and he's making me dig into stuff. I forgot this story. It was only one day, you know what I'm saying? I went there, I was done, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:10:11 Like, that was it. That was all I worked. And I forgot all about it. But I don't remember what he asked me to keep digging into that. Like, there's nothing, you mean, tell me you've never quit something or I'm like, oh, you know what? I take that back. There was this job.

Starting point is 00:10:24 And I had to be like somewhere between 16 and 20 or 16 and 19, somewhere in that range. And I'm always always, I was the kid. I don't know about you guys, but you know, because we didn't have a lot of things, I was very driven to try and make, I was, you know, working by time. I was 15 years old and any little, you know, oh, you want me to wash your car for 20 bucks? Yeah, I'll do it. Mo long, yeah, for $10.

Starting point is 00:10:44 Yeah, I'll do it. Like I would take any job that I could on the side to make some money. And one of my mom's friends, they had like this, uh, honey business and they moved, they had to move transport the hives. Like so you go to, you put them on people's properties for, I don't remember how long. And they, I mean, this is like a, like a diesel truck, like, like hundreds of these things. It's a all night operation to transport them. And you do it at nighttime because that's when the bees sleep, right?

Starting point is 00:11:09 And so I get kind of the idea. And I know you get these full suits. I'm like, whatever, yeah, I can do that. I'm not scared of bees, you know? So we get these suits on. And what I don't know, going into this is, I mean, you get them all over you, right?

Starting point is 00:11:27 But you got the suit on, but it's inevitable that they will find their way through any little crack they can. So you're going to get them inside your suit. That's just, it's just, you mean the suits aren't like, they're not sealed? Well, not the ones I had used. They're, they are sealed. They are sealed. You're the new guy.

Starting point is 00:11:44 Yeah, they're sealed. Even the shitty new guy. Yeah. Yeah. They're sealed. You're giving the shitty suit. But like your gloves go all the way over here and you crawl down the middle. Yeah. And so I mean, they're the, you know, you had the helmet that goes over with the veil and then they could go up. But you know, it's so you had to wear this. So I'm wearing this thing. Oh my god. I'd pay so much money to have a picture of that. So I'm doing this, right? And this is why I couldn't and I'm probably maybe an hour in into the if doing it and it's Driving me crazy and they tell me they're like you're like don't don't freak out when you see the B flying in your veil So that lift your helmet up and then they'll fly on top of your head and then you smash them on your head

Starting point is 00:12:17 You know and then by the time you're all done you have like five or so bees that are dead on the top of your This is a terrible job right ahead. Yeah, So yeah, but I could still handle this. I'm like, okay, that's not too bad. Where it started to drive me crazy was after working for about an hour. You begin to start to sweat. You know, you're in this big suit and everything like that. So now I can't tell if it's bees crawling up me

Starting point is 00:12:39 or all over me, or be a bee to sweat. And I get this bee to sweat that runs down my back and then runs down my ass crack. And so I feel it feels like a bee is crawling up my ass hole and I fucking scream right? I go running away from these I strip all the clothes off I'm swinging all over me rip my pants off like and it's sweat that's run down my back. But at that point I was like I'm good. I'm cool. I'm saying it's not enough money for me to do this shit. I can't blame it dude.

Starting point is 00:13:08 I can't blame bees. That's a great story. I can't believe you never told us. You know why? Because it was something that I had. He doesn't. He dug into so many things. Is that the worst job you've ever done?

Starting point is 00:13:18 I guess so, because it's the only one I've ever clicked. Probably. Yeah, I mean, I think that was where we are going. Like the worst thing I've ever done or, you know, whatever, like, I don't remember what he asked me. My worst job was, because I started by washing dishes in the back. Oh, look, look at that. What a great picture, Doug.

Starting point is 00:13:35 That's definitely a picture of Adam. How funny is that? Look at the caption. Yeah, follow me, boys, right in the butt crack. So I, my worst job, so my first job was washing dishes. That's funny. My first job was washing dishes in the back of a pizza restaurant. And that was okay. You know, you had to wash real fast

Starting point is 00:13:53 and you have those commercial grade dish washers. Have you ever seen these things? Yeah, they're like super high price. Yeah, they've got like two doors on either side. So you lift them, you throw the tray in there with the dishes, you slam down the doors, you push the button, and then it's like, and it's like, maybe a minute of washing. And I mean, you could put dishes in there that have like, concollover.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Oh, dude, I put a whole pizza in there. It would come out and the dishes would be clean. You know what I mean? In fact, that was the game. Like, let's see what we could put in there and what happened. But anyway, that was my first job, but that was in my worst job. My worst job was the job I got after that, where I got a job at this home loan company.

Starting point is 00:14:32 And my job was to make, they had all these files of all the home loans that they did. So like, thousands and thousands and thousands of thick files. And my goal was to make another copy of them That was I mean that was my job making another copy of them. So all I did all god dude all I did all day was Take out the file take out the staples from the freaking thing put them on the machine and watch a go Degy and then it gets stuck inevitably and then I'd open it up So I became an expert on copy machines by the way. I know how to if anyone

Starting point is 00:15:04 I'm gonna copy the fucking out of something. Yeah, but dude, I want to, one of the times you do your butt cheeks. Dude, that's where your technology will be on its top. I never did my butt cheeks. Oh, you wanna know what I did? Do that was bad in there?

Starting point is 00:15:15 Terrible. This is the worst thing I've ever done, I think. They had a vending machine in there that was not the smartest vending machine. Okay, so I looked at this thing and there were, you know, when you put the quarters in, there's like three quarters, and when you put the quarters in and you turn the knob,

Starting point is 00:15:35 the quarters lift up a trigger mechanism that shows that there's three quarters and then you keep turning it and then the candy comes out, which anybody with a fucking brain could see, like this is easy to fuck with. So what I did was I got a plastic fork and I break off one of the prongs, stick the three prongs in there, turn the thing

Starting point is 00:15:54 so it hit the triggers, so it thinks it has money and it'll get free candy all the time. And I used to teach everybody in the office to do that and we all did that shit. So I probably stole a grand total of, I don't know, $50 worth of candy over my, so hey, my apologies. I feel terrible for my-

Starting point is 00:16:10 To do my worst job. I was like helping this guy out, working on a house, and he was trying to teach me all this stuff about, like, working on a house, so we start with plumbing. And so we're underneath the house, and he gets through this whole process, we're crawling on these tight spaces and everything. I'm kind of laying on my back underneath the house, and he gets through this whole process, we're crawling on these tight spaces and everything. I'm kind of laying on my back in the dirt,

Starting point is 00:16:28 and he's like describing, okay, so sometimes there's lines here that, I mean, there's human sewage in this line. So be very careful, and like, as he's like talking about that, the pipe falls and shit comes like splashing out like on top of him and then on top of me, right as he's talking about it. And I literally had to get shit on me.

Starting point is 00:16:53 Yeah, of course it smelled like poop. Oh my god. Shit, of course it smelled like poop. Did you get it? I had this question and it just, and it's like, no, it smells like poop. I went home and I was like, daisy, it smells like poop. That's when I quit.

Starting point is 00:17:02 I was like, I'm not fucking doing that. I'm outta here. Did you get hepatitis to make sure yeah Yeah, I got that means Adam What do you say I don't drink drinks that's our just I like I get keep an eye on it So that's that was the end of plum. Oh, man. Oh dude this morning by the way it was a miracle I got here on time so just and have you you get your kids ready for school in the morning? Yeah

Starting point is 00:17:24 do your kids ever decide to make a massive big deal out of nothing? Oh, duh. Okay, so I'm thinking this may just be my daughter, but I guess it's not. Maybe it's other kids too. So my kids go to a Catholic school and on some days it's called formal dress day and they have to wear a particular uniform to go on that particular day. And there's two ways to... Well, they have different uniforms for different days there. There's one uniform that they wear most days

Starting point is 00:17:52 and then on formal days, which are they happen like once a week, there's a particular type of uniform that they have to wear. Now what's the purpose of that? They do mass. They do mass, so they have to wear. Now what's the purpose of that? They do mass, they do mass, so they have to wear a particular type of subset

Starting point is 00:18:09 of their uniform and it's called the formal uniform. So, you know, and my kids are split between two households. So sometimes we don't have everything at my house and same thing with their mom. So she wakes up this morning and I'm like, I wake them up and I'm like, oh, don't forget today's formal day. Okay, everybody's getting ready and my daughter

Starting point is 00:18:28 typically wakes up in a Generally in a bad mood like she's generally just Moody she's just moody in the morning That's where you get that word from. You know what it is and I'm this is I'm sure this is sexist because she's a girl But I'm like I think like wow your moody like if you were a stereotypical person who's PMSing she's only eight so she's not Which only frightens the shit out of me when later on is that kind of compound, right? So she wakes up she's just fucking she's angry soon as I go in there wake up don't turn on the light

Starting point is 00:19:00 That's what she says right away don't turn on the light. I'm like, okay, but you gotta get I heard you That's what she says right away don't turn on the light. I'm like, okay, but you gotta get I heard you This is gonna be great snappy so you have to make a decision do I Do I like rail on her for being rude or do I let it slide because if I focus on that This is what the morning's gonna be well, isn't this the well how old how old is it when she when the whole Her hormones do start kicking up and she does she have like body odor yet and is that not yet do okay this is just this is apparently is her baseline. My my my my youngest sister she went through that like I remember when she was in third grade like tell my mom like hey Sarah stinks mom you gotta get her start wearing deodorant already so I think I think third and fourth is when some girls go through yeah what Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. Oh, okay, so she's gonna.

Starting point is 00:19:45 So she's like that already. So I'm like, okay, whatever. So I know now I just let her do her thing. So she's getting ready and I hear her stomping. Do do do do do. And then, ba ba, like yelling at the loud, like at the top of her lungs. So I'm like, and I'm like, I try not to react

Starting point is 00:20:02 because my instinct is- She wants to fight. She wants to react. She wants to react. My instinct is to go upstairs and'm like, I try not to react because my instinct is- She wants to fight. She wants to react. Dude, she wants to react. My instinct is to go upstairs and be like, guess what? We're throwing all your toys away right now. So I'm not gonna do that.

Starting point is 00:20:13 I wanna do that so bad, but I don't. So I'm like, yes. Where's my formal, ah, whatever. And I'm like, it's in your drawer. That's not the one I want. So she wanted the long sleeve one. Instead, she had the short sleeve one. So I'm like, well, it looks want. So she wanted the long sleeve one, instead she had the short sleeve one. So I'm like, well, it looks like we don't have

Starting point is 00:20:28 the long sleeve one. So where the short sleeve one, and then you'll wear a jacket over that. Like not a fucking big deal. That's not the one. I'm like, that's the only option that you have. So now my son's getting ready, he's eating breakfast. There's like seven minutes later left.

Starting point is 00:20:44 She's not downstairs yet. She's still upstairs and he's eating breakfast, there's like seven minutes' lace left, she's not downstairs yet. She's still upstairs and she's just pissed. So I'm like, okay, so I go upstairs and I go to open her door and it's locked. My eight year old daughter, so it's locked. So I'm like, open the door. Now I want my formal sweater, tell mom to drive over here. I'm like, your mom's on her way to work.

Starting point is 00:21:05 That's not gonna happen. You have three seconds to open the door. And I can feel the inner rage. Yeah. Like if it had a color, when it gets to white hot, that's when shit goes down. At this point, it's just a glowing red.

Starting point is 00:21:22 And I can feel it, like in my chest. You ever feel that Justin? Oh, yeah. Or you start to identify it and you're like, oh, this is gonna get volatiles. This is gonna be like, I'm gonna have to control it. Yeah, so I'm like, you have three seconds to open the door or I'm gonna open the door for you. So then she opens it and she's pissed off.

Starting point is 00:21:36 And so we have this big conversation. And I'm like, this is your final chance. You are going to put this on and leave or your brother's going to leave without you at this point. She's still not even dressed. She's halfway dressed. She's refusing to put the top part on because she's in half what she wants. So at this point, so I'm like, pick a toy for me to throw away right now. Now I'm starting to lose my temper. No. I'm like, if you don't pick a toy, I'm going to pick a toy back and forth, back and

Starting point is 00:22:03 forth. Finally, she's like begrudgingly putting it on and then she's getting ready and I'm like, if you don't pick a toy, I'm gonna pick a toy. Back and forth, back and forth. Finally, she's like begrudgingly putting it on, and then she's getting ready, and I'm like, you have one minute left, and I set the timer, and I keep telling her, 40 seconds left, 30 seconds left, because, you know, it's time to leave. So finally, she gives in, and she leaves, but Jesus. Ugh, the battle. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:24 And the battle is not necessarily with her. It's with me. No, it's irrational. I've had those battles too. And it is sometimes over close or it's over like, not getting a play date or whatever it was with their friend. And you're just like, well, it just didn't work out. Like, they're doing something else today.

Starting point is 00:22:39 Ah! I guess it's like this like rage. It's like, you just have to let them like. What does it look like? What does it look like when you guys take it too far? Like do you guys ever do like, smash a dollhouse? Oh dude, that's it. No, dude.

Starting point is 00:22:53 You know what happened? A rip in Barbie's head right off. You know what happens? It's when I know when I've taken it too far, when I throw down a punishment that 10 minutes later, I think, because once you say, here's the key, by the way, this is a secret. I don't get emotional.

Starting point is 00:23:06 It's there heading emotion. You have to be consistent as fuck. Like if I say, this is the punishment, I have to stick to it now. Otherwise, it's coming. Otherwise, you weaken yourself. So I know when I went too far, when 10 minutes later, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:23:21 that was, you know, two months, no TV, you know, for not picking up toys, like that might be. That affects me too. Yeah. So bitch, my parents were the parents that grounded for like a year, bro. They were not those parents.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Would they stick to it? No, dude. Yeah, because it's too much. Yeah, right. Who's grounded for a year? They're so angry. A year. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:41 Yeah. No, I'll literally take the toy and then I'll go throw it in the garbage can from them. But then you keep it there like that's it. No, that's it. It's gone forever. Dude, my cousin did that with his daughter. She's really, really stubborn and he threw away like five toys in the garbage, like her

Starting point is 00:24:01 most prized toys. And he told me he's like, He hit him right where it hurts. He's like, and he told me like an hour later, he's like, dude, he goes, bro, he goes, I fell an hour later when I calmed down. He goes, he goes, I felt terrible. He's like, it was way too far as up, but I couldn't do anything because I had to stick to it.

Starting point is 00:24:16 Stick to it, man. So then he learned his lesson with that. We had a nice comment. Did you guys see what happened with Canelo Alvarez? He had popped for really. Yeah, what drug can he get caught with? Climb uterol. That was a fight.

Starting point is 00:24:29 Why would you plan just to, who the fuck is his coach that's giving him a plan to get ready for a fight? Are you an idiot? I don't, you know, there's no benefit. Yeah, I was gonna say it's not like, well, he's blaming the trend or everything.

Starting point is 00:24:43 He's blaming the chickens. That's what he's blaming. You or he's blaming the chickens. That's what he's blaming. You know what? That's actually not, that could be very true. So, yeah, so back in the day, athletes were in people were getting, actually not just athletes, people were getting, Clambuteral poisoning from eating meat,

Starting point is 00:25:01 like poultry or beef, because it was tainted with Clambuteral. So, he probably just Googled that. I think that he's like, yeah, that's it. Well, because it was tainted with cranberry. Also, he probably just Googled that. I think that he's like, yeah, that's it. That's why I brought it up. So this is the big speculation is like, I'm sure, and this is the game, right? Like I think this is the game is,

Starting point is 00:25:16 when there's news or there's stuff like that to support that argument, this is what we're gonna fuck with. If I'm your coach, and it's like, listen, we can't use this, we can't use the very line. Yeah, here's what we have an excuse. Yeah, here's in case it happens or medicine, right? You've seen that all the time too,

Starting point is 00:25:30 where there's like a certain prescription. Maybe this person has a certain allergy or something. John Jones and his boner pills. Right, right. There's always like this out. And I think these guys go into it already like, okay, worst case scenario, we could get caught.

Starting point is 00:25:43 If we do get caught, this is what we say. See, here's why I can't, I can believe him because Clem Butyl is a terrible performance-enhancing drug. It can definitely get you leaner in a two week period. So if you're a bodybuilder or a physique competitor, so you're on stage, you want to look over to me. Are you sure? I thought it does, no, it's terrible.

Starting point is 00:26:04 I thought it increases your aerobic capacity, no? So it is a beta agonist, which is, and I think I'm saying it right, I think it's a beta agonist because it was developed for asthma. So it can help people with asthma. The problem, the studies show pretty clearly that taking Clem butyl will not increase your performance, but it'll reduce it. Unless you have asthma, then it might help. Yeah, it makes it harder to perform,

Starting point is 00:26:32 breathe, it's not good for cardiovascular function, it's not good for the heart. Look, you've played with Clem before. I have. Do you fucking have a heart, better workouts? You feel shaking and shitty when you're working out. Yeah, no, it feels like you just did a line of coke before you go to the go to the gym it's that strong and you don't feel like you're strong feel like it's harder that you know that's a that

Starting point is 00:26:52 I can't I can't concur or I can't confirm like I just think that um you know I I wasn't doing you have hard intense cardio like I'm not doing endurance I'm definitely not boxing like that so I could not compare and say like what it's like if I was taking clean and I was running Hill sprints or something crazy. Yeah, so I do have asthma. What I liked about it was I would take it and I go walk on a treadmill and by the time five minutes of walking, I'm boring and sweat. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah. So, so I did have asthma as a kid. So I'm very familiar with those classes of drugs. I've used Albuterol many, many times inhaler, but I've also used Albuterol tablets, and I've used a clean buterol in the past, and they're terrible for a workout because it gets your heart rate up, so you end up getting at a breath sooner. You don't have the same level of performance. It just doesn't work well. What's the term for muscle saving? Isn't it, doesn't it have some properties like that? Muscle sparing?

Starting point is 00:27:45 Yeah. So it's got some anabolic properties that are independent, it's not hormonal. So it's different. Yeah, I know it's not hormonal, but it isn't, because that's another reason why a lot of guys. In animals it does.

Starting point is 00:27:55 Yeah. So in cows and in other animals for sure, because they have more of these receptors in their muscle. So we have these beta receptors in our hearts and in certain types of muscle, not necessarily in our skeletal muscle. We have them in heart and in our lungs. So when we take these drugs, and I really hope I'm saying it right, so I might be wrong, but when you take these drugs, they affect some muscles and not others, but in other animals, they have a greater density

Starting point is 00:28:25 of these same receptors in their skeletal muscle. So when you give like clambuteral to a cow, it builds muscle, like if you gave it a mild anabolic. In humans, you know, anecdotally speaking, a little bit, definitely can help you get leaner, but that's short, too, right? It's like a week, week or two weeks, and then it stops working.

Starting point is 00:28:42 And you can get it from tainted meat. So you can eat a cow that had been eating clambuteral and then you'll get clambuteral and some people have actually been hospitalized with clambuteral poisoning from that. So they've actually banned it in many countries. So that may be the case. If it's not, if his coach is giving him clan

Starting point is 00:28:59 as a performance and answer, that is a shitty drug to take for performance and it's so detectable with tests that it'd be stupid because you can detect it for so long. It's basically fucking your athlete. You're like, here do this drug that even if it wears off, it's gonna be detectable for two months afterwards. This just came out yesterday. So I'm really interested to see how it unfolds

Starting point is 00:29:22 because you know, of course, right away you got people talking shit, like there's already people. Oh my God, I can't believe you're bullshit in line. But I'm like, there is a possibility, you know, but there is a and as far as I know, I couldn't see clean being that beneficial, even if even if it did help a little bit, I can't imagine it's not like a game changer for you. No, it's strange. I just think that all these, I mean, I don't know. I maybe can count on one hand how many pro athlete friends of mine that I know that don't use antibiotics or use some sort of PDs.

Starting point is 00:29:54 I mean, all of them, but there's exceptions to the rule. Like my buddy Brendan is somebody who's never, never fucked with it or dab with it. My other buddy, Frampton's never fucked with it. You know, they played eight plus years in the NFL and have still are drug-free completely. But they also are not at the top of the level. Like I've never.

Starting point is 00:30:12 And they're also probably the exception. They are. They're genetic anomalies. They're freaks. They're super talented. They have incredible work ethic. And then that landed them kind of middle of the row of the pros. You know what I'm saying they were.

Starting point is 00:30:25 I think certain positions in sports, for example, in football, probably certain positions would you call upon anabolic more so than other positions? You're saying like if you're a 350 pound lineman. Yeah, if you're a cornerback or a receiver, I'm sure you're a benefit from anabolic, but it's not as big of a pressure as if you were a lineman, you know what I mean? Sure, you know that. And when that's your only focus is like in your paycheck, it's like they're gonna come up with strategies

Starting point is 00:30:54 and shenanigans to get all that kind of stuff incorporated. So that's why I think my initial thought process is like how they're hacking the system somehow, you know, because I think that a lot of these top tier athletes have a lot of money. Oh, I hunter. That's what I think. I think right now, yeah, for the scientists and everybody else, think about this way. We just interviewed Dr. Molly Maloof, who's a concierge biohacking doctor for Silicon Valley elite. Don't think for a second there aren't these elite doctors that work specifically with pro athletes.

Starting point is 00:31:29 Who are like, okay, let me help you with these naive not to think. Well, you remember that when we saw, was it, what was it, Icarus? Was that the name of that? Yeah, they talked about that. I mean, there, I mean, there's so much every, and this, these guys have been trained to,

Starting point is 00:31:41 to cheat the Olympics, bro. If you could cheat the Olympics, you can cheat any other sport, bro. That Olympics, the testing on that's ridiculous. It is the most stringent. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you got, if there's, Although the UFC, I'm, I mean, I am really impressed with you.

Starting point is 00:31:54 I'd say, of all the pro sports, they are the most serious about their testing their athletes. Yeah, well, I think they have the most approved, you know, like they're trying to get legitimate in the eyes of their athletes. And the most to lose, you know, people are so afraid of it being barbaric. Speaking approved, you know, like they're trying to get legitimate in the eyes of and the most alludes You know people are so afraid of it being barbaric speaking of what I mean like they're not even allowed in every single state I'm sure they've they've broken like I know not they're in New York now, which took a while for them to get into Did you guys speaking to UFC? You guys see Frankie Edgar get knocked out just the other night? I saw a clip of it. Yeah, that was a really crazy first time ever for him. His whole career, bro.

Starting point is 00:32:25 His whole, he hasn't been stuck. He's that guy that beat him. Oh, I forget his name. Young guy coming up right now, dude. That was totally unexpected. That was so is that I'm assuming by the clip that I saw. So I know nothing of the other fighter, but I'm assuming he has a very high pedigree of striking because his combination was the irony.

Starting point is 00:32:42 Actually, it's what he's known for is his grappling. Really? Yeah, that's what he's got. He has one of the most vicious like grips like he gets a hold of you you know a couple times during the fight he got a hold of Frankie and every the whole crowd like here comes you know I'm saying like a Suzy put me when Ronda it would have run around he was fighting as soon she got a hold of an arm everyone's like oh it's over so it's over so he's like he's kind of like that but he's I mean he looked great man. Everyone was, everyone's been talking about him all his wins that he had that he's since he's been in.

Starting point is 00:33:09 And Frankie Edgar was gonna be like the real first test room. He knocked him out. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, great. Dude, so red and article that was probably, maybe because of my parent, one of the most alarming articles I've read, and part of it is because I'm apparently

Starting point is 00:33:23 the other part of it is because this is something that I've been, I think all of us have talked about this, but I've been definitely tuning into or feeling that this is the case. So in the five, so I'm gonna read to you some statistics. So they do these large national surveys on kids, on teens all the time. And they ask them questions like,

Starting point is 00:33:47 how do you feel about certain things? What are the words of describe those things? How is your sex life? What do you think about whatever? So they do these huge surveys, and they've been doing them for decades. So they have, we have consistent markers that we can read. Well, in the five years between 2010 and 2015, the number of US teens who

Starting point is 00:34:08 say that they feel useless and joyless, okay, which are classic symptoms of depression, have surged 33 percent, which is a huge, massive significant jump in that category. We have not seen a movement in the category. Is that 33% compared to the previous five years? 33% yes. That's what I'm saying. Yes, like between 2010 to the end, and here's the other one.

Starting point is 00:34:38 Teen suicide attempts have jumped 23% in that same period of time. Obviously. And the number of 13 to 18 year olds who have committed suicide has jumped 31% in that same period of time. So there's a new paper that was published in the clinical psychology, psychological science, which is a group that publishes papers on studies

Starting point is 00:35:02 that talk about suicide and other things that deal with psychology. And they're finding that suicide attempts are appearing among teens from every background that are, it's growing in every background. So more privilege, less privileged, all races, ethnicities, basically kids that are born after 1995 are much more likely to experience mental health issues than their predecessors. Yes, this is a big, big deal right now and they are trying to figure out what's going on.

Starting point is 00:35:38 They need more research, but here's what they're coming up with. Smartphone ownership across the 50% threshold in late 2012, right when teen depression and suicide really started taking off. No, that makes a lot of sense. By 2015, 73% of teens had access to a smartphone. So, of all the variables that they're looking at, like what the fuck could possibly be contributing to

Starting point is 00:36:03 this incredible spike in suicide among teens, like what the fuck could possibly be contributing to this incredible spike in suicide among teens. Like what the fuck is going on? What variable change the most? Because that's what you have to look at first. Now we have to test further, but that's the first place you're gonna look at. Obviously there's many, many different variables. Potential, right, right, but that's a big deal.

Starting point is 00:36:22 But so what they did is they looked and they said, oh shit, so in 2012, just over 50% of kids, 18 to, what was it, that I said, 18 to 13, 12 to 18, 13 to 18, over 50% owned smartphones. Before that, it was under 50%. So in 2012, we crossed that mark by 2015. So just three years later, within three years and went to just over 50% to over 73%.

Starting point is 00:36:47 And that would assume today it's probably closer to 80%, 90%. So that's what they're looking at right now. The other thing is time spent online has exploded as well. They found that teens who spend five or more hours a day online were 70% more likely than teens who spent less than an hour a day to have at least one suicide risk factor, which is depression, thinking about suicide or making a suicide plan or attempting suicide.

Starting point is 00:37:17 So overall, suicide risk factors are significantly increased after two or more hours a day of time online. Wow. So I think what we've been talking about, and I'm definitely we need more data, but this is what they're saying, and this is the medical community, I'm gonna go out and say 100%, I would bet money,

Starting point is 00:37:39 this is the problem, and we are starting to deal with the beginning of an epidemic. This is what the book here is, it's full speculated on. I didn't read that study, but this is exactly what they talked about. Aside from the behavioral addiction that comes with it, is this, you can't help it,

Starting point is 00:37:55 but you're comparing yourself to these people. Yeah, the self-worth and all the different social media sort of platforms where you're evaluating how many likes you get, like, you know, who's interacting with me or a day-to-day, you're always putting yourself out there to see what kind of feedback you're getting. Well, and a lot of these kids are so naive

Starting point is 00:38:16 that they don't realize that Instagram, and what drama said it really well, Instagram's turning into the new website, that's what it's like for people, did he say website or what do you refer it to as like where, you know, people come on there to see like, it's like the best version of you. It's all your best. It's like your business car.

Starting point is 00:38:34 Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. It was business car. That's what he said. Yeah, so it's kind of like that where, and so a lot of these, some of these kids I think are naive to think that these people don't look like this. This is not their lifestyle. It's probably not their fucking car. It's not like that every day.

Starting point is 00:38:48 And if you're constantly seeing that all the time, imagine if this happened to you one day. Imagine if we walked out, right? Before or tomorrow, all of a sudden you walked outside and all of a sudden everyone you saw looked perfect. Everyone, not like literally like 80%, 90%. And imagine how all your insecurities would be Exaggerated at that moment. It's like everybody has insecurities. We all have things like oh that one

Starting point is 00:39:12 Mole on my body or oh, this is I'm a little soft here. I have small this. I whatever it is right everyone's got these insecurities then you walk outside and the first hundred people you see nine of them look perfect It's a imagine with that would it creates a false sense of what your community is outside and the first hundred people you see, nine of them look perfect. Imagine what that would have caught that would create a false sense of what your community is because now you believe that that's your community right. In fact, isn't again, we've used the example of like watching the NBA and being around NBA players and then you feel like everybody's fucking massively tall when in reality seven foot tall people are extremely rare. So there's that, there's also the distraction factor

Starting point is 00:39:47 where you're not alone, you know, doing nothing, so you're not figuring things out, you're not thinking, you're just always distracted, always, you know, dopamine hits all the time, so it creates that. And let's take it a step further. If we're looking at statistics dealing with kids and it's affecting kids, don't make no mistake, this is happening to adults as well. Of course. So yeah, and because we're you know our roots on the show are fitness and wellness

Starting point is 00:40:12 This is an important topic because this is this is your wellness that we're talking about We'll just think too about like how much time you're taking away from sunlight and you know being outside and interacting with people like and, you know, being outside and interacting with people, like, physically. It's just that type of a connection is something that I think is completely undervalued. Well, I told you guys I had a really weird experience after that, that long fast that we all did. One of the things that was really obvious to me was I was extra sensitive to looking at my phone and computer. And that was a big eye opener for me that, you know,

Starting point is 00:40:46 just sitting there staring at the screen for a couple hours, gave me like this throbbing headache out of nowhere. And all I could connect was, oh wow, I just came off of a complete fast. So why wouldn't that totally recentatize everything in my book? And you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:41:00 And then to think like, I keep pushing through that and adapt to where that, that to me tells me that my body's trying to tell me, hey, that's too much, bro. You are causing, you're creating physiological changes. Right. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:41:10 So if you're a parent, your responsibility, you have a responsibility to your children. And it's clear now, it's pretty obvious, socially clear now, I should say, that monitoring what your children eat is an important part of responsibility as a parent, right? You don't just throw out a bunch of whatever your kids want to eat and you put it easily accessible and you tell them,

Starting point is 00:41:34 hey, eat whatever you want, whatever you want and put no structure around it. We know what that turns into. We know it turns into poor physical health, high risk of diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity, hormonal issues, just terrible things for your kids. So now it's socially acceptable that as a parent, you monitor that. You put structures.

Starting point is 00:41:55 It's not so socially apparent yet that you need to do that with electronics, but it is just as important. It's because it's new, it's not like the social norm yet. But I'm telling you right now, this is just as important. So we already do this as parents. We manage things for our kids. We set structures and guidelines and boundaries to help raise them to become conscientious, competent,

Starting point is 00:42:21 secure, adjusted adults. One of those things is gonna be how to navigate a world where you have this access to technology and that it can go bad, it can go very bad where you can develop these habits with technology that you become this, you feel like life is meaningless and you're just sitting in your room all day and just spend time on social media or internet

Starting point is 00:42:44 and never do anything and it can lead to lots of different problems, including depression. And that goes to yourself. So using the food example, if you're a parent and you're trying to get your kids to eat healthy, it will almost never work if you yourself are not eating healthy. It's very difficult.

Starting point is 00:42:59 I mean, it's possible, but it's almost impossible. It's very, very difficult in my experience. It has to be a household thing. So the same is true with electronics. You yourself have to have those habits. So what I've done now in my house, and I've already talked about this, is my phone is now attached to the charger,

Starting point is 00:43:16 and it's in a central area in the house. And if I want to work, I have to go and I have to stand. I don't even sit down, I have to stand, and work on my phone. It doesn't come with me anywhere. How's it been going? It was a pain in the ass at first. But now it's actually, I'm happy that I do it.

Starting point is 00:43:32 I feel better. I feel better. I started doing the same thing. It literally has changed. I'm more productive. Yeah, with my kids and the interactions we have, because you're right. Like I would catch myself,

Starting point is 00:43:43 like they want to play video games They want to get the iPad they want this that and I'm more productive now because when I go to it and like working, you know what I mean? Like I got to work, I'm here, I'm gonna do my work. And then, and then, and the other thing I've done, so I just implemented this yesterday with my kids. So I'm reading the study and I've been managing it with my kids but it's been Willie Nilly in the sense that,

Starting point is 00:44:19 oh, it looks like you're on too much get off now. And I know, I know better. Like I know with kids, guidelines have to be clear. Like you can't just do that. Whatever I feel like today is what we're gonna do today because then they don't know what's expected. There's no structure.

Starting point is 00:44:33 Kids thrive off of knowing what to do when they wake up in the morning, what to do when they, you know. I was just gonna ask you, have you guys ever thought about like a like video game and phone windows? I did, oh you did. So I just, what I told my kids was this.

Starting point is 00:44:46 I said, throughout the week, both of you having allowance at four, for four hours total of electronic time. And that includes TV. It's all electronics, four hours each for the whole week. And it's up to you for the whole week. Whoa. And it's up to you.

Starting point is 00:45:02 Now, that doesn't include school work or research. And it also doesn't include family electronic time. So if we're all as a family watching TV or all in the family on the computer, it doesn't count. That's hard core, man. That's different. I'm in my kids. That's different.

Starting point is 00:45:18 But if it's four hours on your own of electronic time is, and it's up to them how they use it. So you want to use it all on one day, you can, if you want to use a little here and there you can. And if you get punished, I can take some away and sometimes I may add some, but for the most part, it is four hours a week total. And so yesterday my dollar used 15 minutes of interesting. I like that.

Starting point is 00:45:39 I like adding and subtracting to that time. But it's kind of cool. This is your baseline. That's it. And then how you well you behave, you may get earned up to six or eight hours a day. It is, but it's gonna be very judicious. I'm gonna be very strict with it. And you already are when you think about it

Starting point is 00:45:51 because the average kid right now is two and a half hours per day. That's terrible. That's the average. And so you know what happened yesterday? When I implemented this right away, nobody watched because then my son's like, I'm not gonna watch TV.

Starting point is 00:46:00 I don't wanna waste this time because I like playing computer games, so I'm gonna save it all for that. Yeah, I like that. So he didn't watch TV. My don't want to waste this time because I like playing computer games So I'm gonna save it all for that. Yeah, I like that So he didn't watch TV my daughter watched a grand total of 15 minutes and then I told her okay Take away the 15 minutes and then she stopped because she realized it wasn't worth it And then they him and they haught and they complained for about 30 minutes and my son especially which my son was very upset that I only He only got four hours which tells me this is definitely something I should be doing if he has this much of a reaction

Starting point is 00:46:24 He's for sure gotten addiction. But then after about 30 to 40 minutes of complaining and this and debating and arguing back and forth, we started playing. The kids started playing with each other. My son picked up a book. My daughter started playing like with crafts. We all started playing a board game together.

Starting point is 00:46:41 We all had conversations and it was the best fucking day ever. So 100% I'm on the right path, and this is for sure something I'm gonna be very strict about now because it's just as important as monitoring the food that they put in their mouth, their activity, and all the other things that really I'm gonna tell you. No, I think you're missing a piece

Starting point is 00:46:58 that I know for sure, because I know you guys so well, and this is where I think a lot of parents will hear this and then fuck it up, is you guys do a really good job of hear this and then fuck it up is you guys do a really good job of communicating the why you're doing what you're doing to. And I think that's really important because what I think a lot of parents do, which is just be a form of a form of a bad manager. Right.

Starting point is 00:47:15 People who just because you're in the position to manage and lead you think you're a leader, you're really not, you're just a dictator. And so if you're the type of parent who says you only get four hours, you know, because you're doing it too much That's not a why that's not a reason why like Educating your kids on the potential dangers of it or why it can't be had a long conversation So my son important that's important and modeling it to you know and you you like subscribe I'm not gonna be watching TV

Starting point is 00:47:45 or watching this in that while they're, while I'm trying to have them be more physical, or read, or anything like, I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna be doing that with them. What's good for them is good for you. Yeah, just remember that. And so I actually had a great conversation with my son because he's sitting there and he's doing his homework,

Starting point is 00:47:59 and this is after I told him, and we had a discussion about it, and he's really fucking pissed off. And he's trying to debate me, and he's a smart kid, so we pissed off. And he's trying to debate me, and he's a smart kid, so he's trying to come up with ways to debate me, but ultimately I have a better argument, and he goes, I don't understand, and he was mad, he put his hood over his head, he had a hoodie on,

Starting point is 00:48:15 he puts it over his head so he's like, no one can see him, and he's doing his homework. So then he's starting to finish, and I'm like, he's looked like you're upset, this is really upsetting you, I said, that is actually showing, it should show you that this is a good thing. Because if you have that strong of an emotional connection to this, then that means you may have had some kind of an addiction to it.

Starting point is 00:48:34 And so we're going back and forth and he goes, you know what? He goes, I'm a really good kid. He goes, I get really good grades. I do everything you tell me. I'm a good brother. I don't cause any problems. He goes, why are you punishing me? And so I stopped him and I pulled his hoodie down

Starting point is 00:48:49 and I looked at him and I said, you're not being, this is not a punishment. I said, I agree with everything you said. I said, you're a great kid. You're actually, I'm blessed to have you as my son. You're a remarkable son. You work very hard. You do everything that I ask.

Starting point is 00:49:03 You're very conscientious. You're an excellent brother. What I'm telling you about the electronic time has nothing to do with punishing you at all. This is not a punishment, it might feel like a punishment because you may not like it, but I'm not doing this to punish you. I'm doing this because I care about you

Starting point is 00:49:19 and because I am your father and there's certain things that I understand that you may not understand that I see that will benefit you, will make you a better human being so that you can be more successful in life. And I'm just doing the best job that I can. And this seems like it's very clear for me, so we're gonna try this out.

Starting point is 00:49:36 But I wanted him to know this is not a punishment because he did make a very good point. And that was something that I didn't even think about. Oh shit, it's coming out of the blue. Yeah, it's important they know they're not being punished a very good point. And I want that was something that I didn't even think about like, oh shit. Like it's coming out of the blue. Yeah, like it's important. They know they're not being punished because if he thinks he's being punished, then he's going to go back and be like, well, the fuck? Like, I'm doing everything right. What's going on? And so I made sure to communicate that. You know, I had an ex and her dad. This is how her dad used to follow. I thought it was really

Starting point is 00:50:00 unique to. I was really brilliant. Is a situation just like this, but he helps that he's very well read himself. He would tell his daughter that, okay, like if you want to do that, then what you need to do first is, here's a book that I want you to read. When you're finished reading the book, you can write me a one page letter telling me why you deserve to do that or you should be able to do what you want. And if it's compelling, if you have a compelling enough argument, then absolutely I'll let you do that. And the process of her going through, she had to have a good argument for her.

Starting point is 00:50:32 A good reason. Right, right. And then, and of course, the book would always have some sort of a lesson that he's trying to teach her through that. Like, in this case, like getting your son to read like a book like Irresistible, he's a very smart kid. After reading something like that, maybe as a better understanding of, oh, that's where dad's coming from. No, explaining things to kids goes a very smart kid after reading something like that, maybe as a better understanding of, oh, that's where dad's coming from.

Starting point is 00:50:45 No, explaining things to kids goes a very long way. At the end of the day, sometimes you do have to say, like, okay, well, now that I've explained it, and you still have, you still want to argue with me, I'm still the final decision maker here, but I think it's important to explain kids like, when I explained to my kids about, and even things that they don't argue with,

Starting point is 00:51:02 like, you know, and by the way, I've been getting a lot of messages with the Dr. Molly Maloof episode, and in particular, a couple of people messaged me about what she said about endocrine disruptors, like cosmetic products, like deodorants and creams and stuff, and how they affect your hormones. And I'm very happy that we had a doctor saying it, because I think people sometimes need to hear MD saying these things. But I even talked about that with my kids. So I ordered them toothpaste and deodorant now

Starting point is 00:51:31 for my son and shampoo from like thrive market. And so I actually went on thrive market and I showed them the products that I'm ordering for them. And I'm saying, you know, do you know why I'm ordering? You know, because they need to know. Otherwise, if you don't know, like, when they go to college or something, they're gonna be like, whatever, I'm gonna do the know, do you know why I'm ordering, you know, because they need to know. Otherwise, if you don't know, like, when they go to college or something, they're gonna be like, whatever, I'm gonna do the fuck I want, right?

Starting point is 00:51:49 Yeah, they're pissed that like the toothpaste doesn't taste super sweet and foamy like it used to. Exactly. They describe the reason why. Exactly, so I'm telling them, like, do you know why I order you guys products that say natural and organic and why I pick these products? And they're like, well, they're better for you.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Like, well, do you know what that means? The other ones make us sick. I'm like, well, not necessarily. So I'm explaining like what an endocrine disruptor is. And so what I did with my daughter, because she's eight, right? So I just got a piece of paper and I drew like a, you know, that like if you look at a castle and they have like the tower and at the top of the tower, you have like that jagged edge of the wall

Starting point is 00:52:26 because that's where the archers were chute through. So I drew like this jagged kind of edge and I said, okay, I said in your body, there are things called receptors and receptors are like a lock and there are hormones that float through your body and they're like a key and when they fit inside and they drew a shape, that bit inside.

Starting point is 00:52:47 Did you make some models? Yeah. Well, no, because for, how do you explain like the shape of your body? I know, it's so complex. So I said, I'm impressed. You're trying to make it. I said, so it's very, very stress-free.

Starting point is 00:52:56 So I said, your body has locks. And there's keys that float around. And if the key matches the lock, then the lock opens, and then your body knows what to do, and hormones will tell your body to do certain things. Like in a boy testosterone, we'll tell a boy to build muscle, lower his voice, get hair on his chest, and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:53:15 And a girl, estrogen will get her body ready to develop breasts and all these different things. And I said, so those are what the hormones do. I said, there's actually chemicals that are close enough to the hormone key that sometimes they fit inside that lock. False key. And then your body thinks it's a hormone

Starting point is 00:53:34 and it starts to do things that's not supposed to. And I said, and some products have these chemicals that look like these things and it causes your body to do things. And these natural products are better because they don't have these types of chemicals in them. And my daughter was like, oh wow, I really get it. And so now she's like, doesn't want to use anything that's not these type of products.

Starting point is 00:53:56 But you have to explain it, right? So, and it's cool because we're on Thrive Market, right? And Thrive Market's so great because every product you pick is in that category. So I'm letting them pick from their category of things. So they were part of the process. So it was really really cool. I had a client with Thrive Market that I was just talking to her today. I thought that it was kind of cool. She shared with me. I asked her, I said, Hey, have you been ordering from Thrive Market? She said, Oh, you know, it's funny. You brought that up. I actually just finished the 30-day trial and I told him that I wouldn't be doing it. And I'm like, oh, she's like, well,

Starting point is 00:54:25 so I'm all by myself and I don't just order enough. And if I ordered enough, I said, she goes, I really like the product. And she goes, man, their customer service is insane. She goes, I told him that I didn't want to do it. And they were super nice and said, why don't you extend it for six months and try this. They were trying to work with me in so many different ways.

Starting point is 00:54:41 She goes, it was really, really cool. She goes, but honestly, Adam, she goes, I just don't order enough. I wouldn't order enough from them for myself. She goes, I think a jargy would last me three months, and that's not so. I just didn't justify having the membership with that, but she goes, I have to tell you, man,

Starting point is 00:54:55 the companies off the chain, I said, no, no, that's part of the reason why we work with them is that I think they just, they have a lot of integrity. Yeah, I think they're really, really good. So great, one of my favorite companies to work with ever. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com.

Starting point is 00:55:25 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from Liz GVT. Thoughts on the recent protein powder study. It shows a lot of quality products having high levels of heavy metals, BPA pesticides, etc. This was brought to my attention by probably five people at least. So this is how I was freaking out yesterday.

Starting point is 00:55:53 I was pissed off. Well, there's some big companies that are offenders. Well, I'll tell you why I was pissed off. So here's what the title, so this was reported in consumer reports, but the study was done by another company. And I can't remember it, clean label project. So, clean label project, this is all I know about them, by the way.

Starting point is 00:56:10 So I don't know enough about them to say that they're nonbiased. But what I do know about them is that they're a nonprofit organization and their goal is to examine the labeling safety issues found in products. So they go and they check products and make sure that they're safe. And we all know that supplements are nefarious for that. I mean, several studies, several studies,

Starting point is 00:56:34 I could pull up three where they'd go in and test supplements and find that either the supplements didn't have what they said they had or they have much less than what they said they had or they have some shit in there that they're not supposed to have in them. So supplements don't have the greatest reputation, which is one of the reasons why the supplement industry is a fucking hemorrhoid on the ass of fitness is terrible, right? That was a weird analogy there.

Starting point is 00:56:58 You get comfortable and smelly. You get the picture. So this supplement comes out and they tested protein powders. And what they found was that most of the protein powders that they tested, most of them had high amounts of heavy metals, arsenic, lead, other types of heavy metals, and pesticides and contaminants like BPA which are hormone disruptors. They saw that this was bad in... So they tested quite a few products and they named them. Some of the worst products, okay, one of which I used to take all the time and I, in fact, used to promote. I was never affiliated with them, but when people had asked me, hey, what do you recommend? I used to

Starting point is 00:57:42 recommend this, which is why I'm angry. One of them was Garden of Life. Yeah, that was crazy. Garden of Life was one that was high in heavy metals. That's a whole foods brand, isn't it? Whole foods carry them. Nature's best. Quest. Quest also did really bad.

Starting point is 00:57:56 Call up Tom, you do are. But the fuck Tom? Viga, sport. The plant-based protein was bad. That's big, too, dude. Viga or Vega, I thought it was Vega. Vega or Vega, I'm not sure. It's definitely the, dude. Because it's bigger or vagabag. Vega or Vega, I'm not sure. It's definitely the big,

Starting point is 00:58:07 that's the big yoga Pilates one. They're in like every yoga Pilates, too. So they tested, they all tested bad. Most of them tested bad. Some were good. All in all, the plant-based ones did worse off than the, than the way ones. And they're saying it's probably because,

Starting point is 00:58:23 when you go harvest, the, the first of all plants tend to store These heavy metals that they get from the soil and stuff More so then like milk will and stuff like that. So the odds are a little bit higher there But I think that you need a bigger sample size to see what's going on So you can't share this and not share the backstory of what happened at mine plump after this all went down and the the back story of what happened at mine plump after this all went down and the the I was fucking the internal con yeah the internal con in the arguing back before the talk if you want well you know it's out came in and he was ready to like just fucking burn the house down you know like that's it no

Starting point is 00:58:56 we're not going to wait for again if I can't prove to me that they're not on this list fuck him I don't care about our contract for the year I'm like whoa whoa whoa whoa dude pump your brakes Are they on the list? Yeah, like they're not on the list, bro, they're not on the list. Like, I don't care. They need to do a third, I'm like, listen, bro, they have like 30 bucks. Well, I'm not gonna fucking promote something unless I know.

Starting point is 00:59:14 I know, I will appreciate the passion. I love you and your integrity, but I think it's funny that but people don't know that. Well, so I sent, so what I did was, oh yes, he did, right away away he fired an emo over time. Oh, I sent an email to Organify and I'm like, hey look, apparently it seems to be very common in these studies to show that there's unsafe levels

Starting point is 00:59:32 of heavy metals and especially in plant proteins like what's the deal? Now, here's where I'm very happy. Now, I'm gonna be honest with you, okay? Cause everybody in here knows that I was for sure and nobody was disagreeing with me. If Organify had answered differently, I was gonna be honest with you, okay? Because everybody in here knows that I was for sure, and nobody was disagreeing with me. If organifi had answered differently, I was gonna get on here, and they were gonna get it,

Starting point is 00:59:50 and we would have cut all ties with them. And just so anybody knows, we have a year sponsorship with them, a very lucrative one, and we were gonna throw down the garbage because we're not going to affiliate with anybody that doesn't have that type of integrity. But, I email organifi, and I'm like, listen, I want to know if there's some assurance that Organify protein powders and products are free from these heavy metals or that they have,

Starting point is 01:00:15 you know, that they're well within the safe range, that they get tested third party, all these different things. Within five minutes, I get a response from one of their representatives. And they're like, I'm connecting with our team, we're gonna find out and we'll keep you updated. And very quickly, they talk about how, and they said, she tells us, here's what our team is coming up with or telling you. And they do test their products.

Starting point is 01:00:40 Their products are way below, far below their, they're taught it, their products measure in parts per billion. Well, didn't you first say that any vegan proteins that have some amounts of it right? Well, all, they say that. It's gonna be, you're gonna find some levels of certain things. For example, a can of two, it's like fish, right? Yeah, so like a can of tuna, five ounce can of tuna,

Starting point is 01:01:01 has point 32 parts per million of mercury, which is, I don't know, that's something like 10 times the allowance that California has for Prop 65, which is even, which Prop 65 is extremely strict, by the way, more strict than even federal allowances. So if you mean, if you meet Prop 65, you're well below the federal allowance. So, a can of tune is already above that. Well, the organified products measure in parts per billion. So, it's so small that they measure parts per billion. So, they have calculated it basically a thousand times lower than the amount of heavy metals that are known to cause health issues.

Starting point is 01:01:42 And so, this is a big deal for them. And they're very serious about it. In fact, they're gonna actually... I'm surprised they didn't get to start advertising. I thought our campaigning is gonna say, what a huge fucking thing to, when you see something like that, can I end those companies?

Starting point is 01:01:56 What a way to separate yourself. Those are monster companies. That's right. So I am glad, I'm sorry. I'm glad that they came back. We get to keep our stuff. I'm glad that they came back. They assured us that they're all good.

Starting point is 01:02:08 But this just goes to show you, man, when it comes to supplements like, you don't fucking know, and here's the problem. Like if you're a fitness enthusiast and you have. By the way, it's so not regulated that it's not a big deal even if you do fuck around on this. It's like a slap on the wrist, bro. That's it. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like slap on the wrist, bro. That's it. Yeah, it's like a-

Starting point is 01:02:25 It's like a- It's like a- It's like a- It's like a- It's like a- It's like a- It's like a- It's like a-

Starting point is 01:02:49 It's like a- I was organized and I'm being the business person that I am. I'd be like, oh, awesome. I'm about to take out my competitors. And I would print this study and then I'd show and be like, oh, look, our products. Look at this. Yeah, our products measure way safe and we're not one of these products

Starting point is 01:02:54 and you should stick with ours. Because here's a deal, if you're a fitness enthusiast and you take a protein powder, most especially muscle building fitness enthusiasts, take a protein powder, take at least two or three servings a day. And I don't mean just like three or three times. Like if you take two scoops or three scoops, that's two or three servings because your protein powder

Starting point is 01:03:12 is measured in one scoop. So if you're taking two scoops, that's two servings. So most people are taking two or three servings of protein powder a day, then they're adding on top of it, a pre-workout supplement and some other supplement, or a bar. So if there is relatively high levels of heavy metals, which don't your body doesn't clear them very well. That's why they're considered a toxin. It takes years. Like if you have a high level of mercury in your body,

Starting point is 01:03:38 you'd have to avoid mercury. Now does it tell you what like what levels are what levels of what what metals are, they were reading or they were picking up on? Mercury, arsenic. I can't remember some of the other ones. Led is the other one. So if you take these products, it's not gonna hurt you in a few times or months

Starting point is 01:03:59 or even a couple of years, but if you're consistent, like I've been doing this for 20 years, well fuck, I've been taking supplements forever. I mean, you build up some of these talk, and the problem is that the symptoms that arise from having high levels of some of these things are vague, like all of a sudden, to have anxiety or I can't sleep or my hormones are off

Starting point is 01:04:19 or they're different for everybody, like every person, nervous system disorders. Right, right, so when you get something like that, or the other person gets headaches, or the person has trouble sleeping. And you won't know until you get tested for these things. And then to get rid of them is this whole process that takes years also.

Starting point is 01:04:34 So that's just the thing, man. When you go with your products, I mean, the reason why we signed with Organifi is we were, we really liked their integrity of their products. Because that, I hate to tell you, when you buy supplements, to get this through this, and that's what we're doing. And the way we're doing it, we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it,

Starting point is 01:04:52 and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the way we're doing it, and the gonna change your life, that's the supplement. So the ones that you'll probably, if you do take supplements,

Starting point is 01:05:07 are the staple, if you will, products, maybe a protein powder, maybe a, you know, supplementing to something to supplement, if you don't eat enough vegetables, maybe a multivitamin, if you have a nutrient deficiency, create team for performance, like, it's a short list. And number two, like if you just go dirt cheap, they're already so unregulated that,

Starting point is 01:05:26 you know, what do you think's gonna happen? What do you think they're eating? Why do you think it's dirt cheap? You know what I mean? You could be doing some shit to your body that you're trying to improve upon your health instead you're fucking with this shop. Mess with your health.

Starting point is 01:05:37 And the problem is it's like, here's the thing that sucks, like, it would be one thing if you took a supplement that immediately affected you. And you're like, oh fuck, that gave me diarrhea. I'm not gonna take that anymore. But we're talking about things that take years to build up. You know, hard to just identify what the fuck is wrong with you

Starting point is 01:05:51 when it's a product of five years of protein powder to you know, supplementation. Like how do you know how to identify? You have to go to like a functional medicine doc. It'll take a fucking detective and years of work. Like you don't want to go down that route. So go with quality and integrity first, and then pick everything else out would be my advice.

Starting point is 01:06:10 Next question is from H. Jocks. What is the best approach to bulking? I would say with bulking, so a couple of things, first let's talk about the training. You have to have the right muscle building signal to bulk, otherwise you're just going to gain body fat. So if your body wants to build muscle, that makes it way easier. And then once your body wants to build muscle, understand and appreciate that it doesn't take a lot more calories over maintenance to do so.

Starting point is 01:06:43 In fact, it doesn't take that much more at all. So, the most, I'll tell somebody, and this is somebody with like a really fast metabolism, is to go 500 calories above maintenance. And that's the most. I know, guys, I know what I used to do, fuck. I used to go like 1500 calories above maintenance and want a bulk and then I ended up putting

Starting point is 01:07:01 a bunch of body fat on. So, I'd say go with a small surplus of between 200 to 500 calories and have a really good routine. And then the third thing is keep it short because that boost that you get from the bulk, you start to lose it after a few weeks or so in my experience at least. And then it just becomes extra body fat

Starting point is 01:07:20 that you start to gain. So I know Adam, you coached a lot of people in bodybuilding. Was it similar for them as it is for average person? Yes and no, okay. So best approach is really tough to answer because I don't think there is a best approach because everybody's so uniquely different.

Starting point is 01:07:36 I'll give you an example of like common things that I would see like somebody who's trying to bulk, if you're someone who's trying to bulk and you have a hard time bulking, I have different advice for somebody who has an easy time bulking. There's different strategies for each of those people. So teaching Sal the bulk and then teaching the Justin bulk, I would use two different strategies for them.

Starting point is 01:07:54 Justin puts on size fairly easily. And if anything, he has a harder time leaning down or staying lean. So it sounds more like me where it's a little bit harder for him to bulk. So depending on this person would be how I advise him. Now, for me, being a guy who had a hard time bulking and putting size on, I had to find that there's several strategies that I use, one of the strategies that I use later on that I didn't realize until I got into competing

Starting point is 01:08:17 how well this worked for me. It's actually would go on a shortcut right before. So I would actually go like for one. If you're priming your body for the bulk. Yeah, yeah. So for a week, I would run really low calorie. And for me, part of that strategy I found out later on was one, priming the body like Sal saying right now.

Starting point is 01:08:36 And then two, when I was getting to the point like where I felt like I was just always eating and I just couldn't eat enough. I just couldn't eat enough. And I wanted to really spike that appetite up to where I was hungry. And then once I got that appetite going and then I would feed it, another thing that I would do

Starting point is 01:08:51 is because I struggled with bulking is I would not eat a lot of my high fats early in the morning because what I found was if I had like, which is the opposite of what I do now. When I'm just trying to maintain health and stay, I eat bacon and I eat avocado and I have a very high fat breakfast and that's satiates me. And I don't want to eat till two,

Starting point is 01:09:12 three o'clock in the afternoon, no problem. Well, when you're trying to bulk and you need to eat four, five, I don't know how big you are, thousand calories a day and having a big high fat meal, even if it's a 900,000 calorie meal early in the morning,

Starting point is 01:09:25 I mean, shit, I don't wanna eat two hours, three hours, four hours later, I don't eat for six more hours, and so it makes it really tough to get enough calories in to put size on. So a strategy that I would use is I'd eat a lot of my low fat, leaner calories earlier on in the day,

Starting point is 01:09:39 and then I'd pile on my higher fats and higher calorie meals later on in the evening. So that was an approach that I had. And I think it's like I said, this is towards a skinny guy trying to bulk. Now if I was bulking and teaching Justin how to bulk, I would touch on the strategy that Sal kind of said of, I wouldn't let him go too long in the bulk. Because I know he bulks really easy. So I would let him run for two or three weeks at most

Starting point is 01:10:05 in a surplus, and then I would transition him back to like a short little cut and then go back to a bulk, short little cut, go back to a bulk and never really letting him bulk for longer than about two or three weeks with these mini little three to five day short cuts. And that would be a great way to kind of keep him heading that way without putting on too much fat. Now a guy like me who has a hard time bulking,

Starting point is 01:10:25 I could actually get away with four, six weeks of kind of living in a surplus, which I would never do, because I always throw in a low day. Yeah, yeah, so I was gonna say, nonetheless, you're still throwing a priming. Yeah, even if I'm on a six week bulk, right? Let's say I'm sensitive to the nutrients. Yes, so even on a six week bulk,

Starting point is 01:10:41 I still incorporate fasting, which is counterproductive for most people. Make the bulk more effective, right? Most people think that would be weird. Like, oh wow. Something Ben Pekolsky said that was pretty awesome is I made the comment that pro bodybuilders

Starting point is 01:10:54 not only have great genetics for building muscle, great attachments, great structure, and great muscle building ability, but they also have a great ability to be able to utilize antibiotics and the ability to eat a lot of food and Not get problems and he corrected me and he said no He said the best genetics for bodybuilding are being able to eat less food and get more out of that food Yeah, and I thought that was brilliant kind of mind blowing. It's brilliant because that's true, right?

Starting point is 01:11:19 Like and part of training your body to do that is doing exactly what you said Adam right? Fasting when you're you know know, every once in a while you're bulking, keeping your body sensitive to nutrients because I've experienced it where I've bulked for way too long, way too consistently. That's all I did before. And your body just stops responding. It's like, oh my God, I'm eating 7,000 calories.

Starting point is 01:11:37 Yeah, and you get so adapted to how many calories you're eating at the keep right. I've definitely been in that boat many, many times where I'm looking at 5,500 to a 6,000 calorie goal every day and it's just daunting. It's daunting. I've just no way I'm going to get that effect. You're training too. I mean, you're just like bloated over, you know, just oversaturated with food. Your whole life, your whole life or your whole day is revolving around getting those calories. I'd say the biggest mistake people make when bulking is just bulking too long. Generally, that's probably the biggest

Starting point is 01:12:04 mistake. It's probably the biggest mistake. It's important to note too. I remember the first time I read the stat that once we hit over 15 per as a male, I was just going to say, I don't think any man, I don't think a guy should bulk if he's over 15% body fat. Like if you're over 15%, get yourself down to 15 or lower before he's done. I don't ever bolt that lower. I think that person is going to say, so if you're at 15 or above percent body fat and you want to go on a bulk, I would recommend going down to 10% body fat

Starting point is 01:12:32 before you go back up. Much better option. Yeah, I think your body will respond. And that's just because your natural testosterone level start to decrease as you start getting above. Your body just stops utilizing the calories for muscle. You just gain more body fat. Next question is from Godzilla 111112.

Starting point is 01:12:49 Best way to incorporate big lift variations into a program is it better to cycle them in or add them to your current workout with conventional lifts? So I'm assuming this person means like, I'm doing barbell squats a lot and I want to throw in a variation of a barbell squat which may be like a safety bar squat or a front squat or a quick bar. Something like that right or instead of doing a regular deadlift doing a trap bar deadlift or I'm assuming that's what they mean.

Starting point is 01:13:18 The way I used to do it and it was very effective for me was I would I would interchange a replace. That's it. I wouldn't add it to it because adding more volume So you're already gonna send it you're gonna you're already gonna send a new signal It's a different adaptation like right that's it takes different mechanics to do a trap bar than it does a deadlift Now they're close enough that there's carryovers to both of them But there's still it's still gonna list it changed because it's it's a new stimulation. I so I did this very This was actually my strategy to when I finally got my, I got a 600 pound deadlift years ago.

Starting point is 01:13:50 And that was like a big goal of mine. Like that was something I always thought about. And it was really hard to get to. And I got stuck at around five, 65 to five 70 on the straight bar. Like no matter what I did, tempo, tension, rep ranges, like it was so hard to get past that. I was eating a lot of food. I got my body weight up to like 220, I think at the time.

Starting point is 01:14:13 And it just wouldn't go past that point. And so I started incorporating variations. And what I did was, is I started deadlifting, well I started using chains and bands, which I consider variations. But then what I did, which was a game changer for me was I started deadlifting with a trap bar. So I actually stopped straight bar deadlifting

Starting point is 01:14:31 for about three weeks. And all I did was a trap bar deadlifts and to give my lower back a little bit of a break. And I pulled over 600 pounds on the trap bar before I pulled it on the straight bar. And I believe there's some benefit to that. I got used to that kind of load. I got used to grinding it off the floor.

Starting point is 01:14:52 What that weight feels like, of course your leverage is better with the trap bar. So you can expect to lift anywhere between 20 to 40 more pounds on a trap bar anyway. But it gave me enough of a break from the straight bar. But enough of a break to where I could recover on the straight bar and get stronger with it, but not move me away from training that pattern

Starting point is 01:15:09 so much that I'd lose the- There's something to be said, and I believe this is the CNS, right? That just getting what it feels like, if you've never held 600 pounds, right? So just to get used, I remember old school bodybuilding trick, these guys, when I used to train by back in the days with these old school guys

Starting point is 01:15:26 I mean I could only squat back then like one eighty five and they put three fifteen on my back Yeah, they'd be like step out hold it. Yeah, they make me unwrap it walk back with it and then re-wrap it And it was just like you got to get your body used to just and that was what they say you got to get your body Just used to feeling that way just feel responsive of that. You got to get your body just used to feeling that weight. Just feel responsive at that weight. Right, and I do recall, like after feeling like 315 on my back when I was a kid, then going to 225 was like, oh, I felt in way more control. So there is definitely, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:57 I think it has to do with the CNS. I think so too. I think so too. I think that has to do with tension and stability under heavy loads. And then you go use your normal weight and it just feels lighter because it technically is lighter now. By the way, when something feels lighter, the reason why something feels lighter is because

Starting point is 01:16:13 it is lighter. And I don't mean that in the literal sense, like the 15 pounds magically got turned into 10. I mean, it's lighter because you're lighter for you now. So that feeling of lighter is a real thing. It's not this like arbitrate, like this magical, you know, whatever. You literally, look, I tell you now. So that feeling of lighter is a real thing. It's not this like, or like this magical, you know, whatever. You literally, look, I tell you what, squeeze something as hard as you can with your right hand and keep the rest of your body completely relaxed. And then try doing the same thing, but tense up your entire body. You're going to feel

Starting point is 01:16:38 like you could squeeze harder because you actually did, because you were able to activate and irradiate your entire central nervous system. And that's what I think that's happened. Well, I think to like even just talking about back squat and front squat, like I intermittently exchange the two as like a disruptor, like I want to bring in my front squat to make sure that I am responsive with my quads. I am responsive with my anterior chain because it's, you know, if I can use the two together and uses as a loud gross motor movement, so everything's involved, that's gonna help to benefit the lift.

Starting point is 01:17:14 And I'm gonna feel like super supported in that specific type of lift. And you can take that into the dead lift, you can take that into the bench press. It's important to kind of get your body to be more responsive in a different direction, so that way it then contributes to the whole. Now, we all agree on this,

Starting point is 01:17:34 but I will say that it doesn't mean you can't do it necessarily the other way that this person is saying too, and I could see a way that I could add movements like this to also increase volume. So let's say a month has gone by and I'm following maps read exactly to a T. And then I decide, you know what, what's a, like, a earthquake bar? Like, we don't have that in maps read, right? Or what's the other, what's the, or the yolk bar, right? The yolk bar.

Starting point is 01:17:58 Right, a yolk bar. I really like it too. And I have access to it at gold. So, and it's not in my routine. But then I've been going for a month and I've been, this is, I'm doing a total volume of, let's just say for argument's sake, you know, a hundred thousand, a hundred thousand pounds

Starting point is 01:18:12 of volume in a month on my legs, you know, and this month I'm gonna move that to a hundred and twenty thousand or a hundred and ten thousand and I'm gonna do it through the yoke bar. So everything else remains the same, but now I might add that yoke bar on another off day or on top of a routine Or when I'm feeling really good whatever that that's also a way that you could technically add volume naturally into a routine

Starting point is 01:18:32 But again, I think that just by changing it out with another piece You're already going to elicit some change in your body because it is a new stimulus It even though it's similar it's still new and the body will start to respond, and you'll get a new adaptation. These little things, these little tweaks, too, just having a different stance, and really getting that different recruitment pattern that will contribute to a squatting, a hip-hing type of a pattern movement is so beneficial.

Starting point is 01:19:00 They worked, I had a buddy recently, I was just talking to a friend of mine who he got stuck on 185 pound overhead press and he weighs 170 pounds So that's a decent overhead press forgot that weighs 170 and he just couldn't he was always his max He just couldn't go over it So he stopped overhead pressing and he started practicing handstand push up handstand push ups And that's all he did so first it took him a while to get now

Starting point is 01:19:24 He's got like a lot more control and stability So he practiced handstand push upsup, handstand push-ups. And that's all he did. So first it took him a while to get him. So now he's got like a lot more control and stability. So he practiced handstand push-ups, got good at them, didn't do any overhead pressing with a barbell for months, for shits and giggles, went back to the barbell and did two reps with the weight that he could only do one rep with before and he hadn't done them at all. So there's a lot of carryover and a lot of benefit from doing, you know, changing things up a little bit.

Starting point is 01:19:45 The same thing with holding the kettlebells overhead. Oh, I got a huge one for that. Absolutely. Next question is from Spam Rice and Eggs. Thoughts on the recent study that came out stating caffeine inhibits the adaptation induced by hit workouts. So, read this. I did. So, this was published. So, Dr. Andy Galkin shared this.

Starting point is 01:20:04 Oh, that's the one that I tell you. Okay, yeah. He shared this. So this was an animal study. It's one study. So we got to be clear. It doesn't mean it's not conclusive by any stretch of the imagination. However, it does point in the same direction that other studies have pointed to.

Starting point is 01:20:18 So what the study showed basically was that giving caffeine before a high-intensity interval type training workout resulted in less of a cardiovascular adaptation than not taking caffeine. So in other words, if you're training, if this was a human study and people were training to increase their stamina or their VO2 max or something like that, taking caffeine before the workouts over a period of months of doing this training or whatever would result in less of a positive adaptation or less of an improvement in endurance. It makes logical sense to me. But you already artificially get it confusingly.

Starting point is 01:20:54 Well, so here's what happens. So, and this is lots of rolling start with a car versus a dead stop being off. Yeah, and lots of studies point to this. Like, what you do, if you do things to yourself or take things or optimize things to make yourself perform better in the moment,

Starting point is 01:21:08 that means you're going to have a, you're gonna have less of a signal. And by the way, there's, this doesn't, is not in finit, infinite, excuse me, this, there are, there are infinite, there are limiting factors here. So obviously if we go to extreme in the other direction, it's not good either.

Starting point is 01:21:23 But the more you do to make yourself perform better, the less of an adaptation signal is sent to the body. So in other words, if I work out really fucking hard, and then I go jump in an ice bath to reduce inflammation, so I'm not sore the next day, I will recover faster, but I've also reduced this signal to tell my body. Right, the benefits.

Starting point is 01:21:46 Because of the inflammation. That's right. And so caffeine kind of does this, because you take caffeine, and it makes you perform better. So it sends a signal to your body that it's not as stressful. Well, it's the same like that study you mentioned a long time ago, with ibuprofen and like how athletes had reduced performance because they took it like before their workouts, trying to stay ahead of it in a sense of the inflammation,

Starting point is 01:22:08 but the inflammation is actually, that's the trigger, that's the catalyst to get things to kind of move in the direction you want as far as building muscle. Now I think this is aligned with things that we've said many, many times before, but I also want to play Devils Advocate here too and understand that or let the audience know too that

Starting point is 01:22:24 the difference is probably very, very small, very, very small. And then if that cup of coffee or whatever you had is what it took to get you to the point you didn't work out, to promote you to even work out and had you not taking that you didn't work out, then there's that I could argue that way too. So that's what I can already see a lot of groans because of this study like, yeah, they're drinking their coffee,

Starting point is 01:22:47 then they're going to our expiry. I think the real takeaway is that, and that's how I've always treated pre-workout. There's always been a pre-workout up in my cupboard somewhere, they last a very, very long time. When I decide I'm gonna set a goal, I'm gonna do this, or I'm gonna be consistent about this,

Starting point is 01:23:02 and I have something that I'm trying to obtain, and I have a morning where I'm just do this or I'm gonna be consistent about this and I have something that I'm trying to obtain and I have a morning where I'm just not there, and I feel like I need that boost. This is the conversation I'm having with myself. Like, okay, well, one's the last time I had it. Okay, it's not a big deal, I'm gonna have it today. What if I ran that back two days? Not that big of a deal, three to, okay, hold on here.

Starting point is 01:23:23 Where I'm heading down, I'm now becoming dependent on this thing for me to get up to go do this workout. And I'm also knowing that I'm getting less results because I'm having to use a get there. I don't want my workouts to diminish. I don't want to get, I don't want to have small. There's another factor that we're not considering here and that is that sometimes things that optimize,

Starting point is 01:23:41 you can adjust your volume and intensity then to make up the difference in terms of adaptation. So I'll give you an example, the one that I used earlier, right, where I jump in an ice bath right after my hard workout. Well, if yes, that is dampening the the anabolic signal or the adaptation signal that my session just that tried to send. However, if that allows me to train harder and more frequently, well, now I've made up

Starting point is 01:24:04 the difference. Does that make sense? So if you're an athlete or you're training at the edge, at the razor's edge, then sometimes these things are the difference that allows you to train at this particular extent. So the people that always get defensive with us too and we talk about things like this,

Starting point is 01:24:20 and you're not the motherfucker I'm talking to. I'm talking to the other 90% of the world, you know what I'm saying? It's like, there's always some like extreme athlete or somebody who's measuring everything to be ice bath because I trained twice a day. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, exactly. We're not knocking that for that.

Starting point is 01:24:34 And that was a difference. I think that was a lot of what we brought when we agreed, when we brought mine pump out. It's like, we're not talking specifically maybe to us or competitors or somebody at the sport athletes at the elite level. We're talking about everybody else in the world that wants to be in really good shape

Starting point is 01:24:50 because you can get in fucking really good shape and you don't need to do what a lot of these professional athletes are paying to do or getting addicted to. It's not necessary for them. They have a sport that they're trying to perform. No one needs a famous when you do cardio. Yeah, no, exactly, right? To try and get this little competitive extra edge.

Starting point is 01:25:08 It's like, no, save, save your, those things are expensive. What the altitude mask? Yeah, I thought it was just a little foam and breathing through a straw. Those things are over a hundred bucks. Yeah, you just find a snorkel. Right, yeah, literally. That's actually what, that's actually how,

Starting point is 01:25:21 where the guy got the idea. It is. Is that where athletes that were using a snorkel. Yeah, and so, and so, and so, and so and so so p it's like oh great idea and fuck I'm gonna do that a lot more snorkel that duct tape it around your head Yeah, I said the gym same. Can we whenever I see someone with a snorkel like when I go snorkeling Which I don't do very often but when I do do you guys ever get the urge to like sprinkle some water down Close the fuck like some powder

Starting point is 01:25:42 or down the stairs, it's no close to fuck. Like some powder. Yeah. Ooh. I mean, some messed up. God damn. Anyway, so yeah, anything you do to optimize your performance is probably going to reduce the adaptation signal. But of course, if that results in more frequency or volume

Starting point is 01:25:59 or intensity, then it negates it. And it's all a balancing act. I mean, that's really, at the end of the day, that's what it all boils down to it's all a balancing act. I mean, that's really, at the end of the day, that's what it all boils down to. It's a balancing act. I personally love caffeine. I think it's great. I love the effects, but I like the effects of caffeine

Starting point is 01:26:14 when my receptors are fresh, and when I haven't been over using it. When I abuse caffeine, I don't like it. It makes me anxious. It's like, feel good. I want to check yourself. Before you wreck yourself. That's it. That's the end of the yourself. That's it. Before you wreck yourself. That's it.

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