Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 724: The Importance of Sex for Health, Teaching Kids Healthy Eating Habits, the Future of Personal Training & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this fabulous episode of Mind Pump, where we at? Super fabulous. We're in, where's this place called? Passo, Passo Robo. Passo Robo, like, beautiful.

Starting point is 00:00:23 Beautiful. Scen scenery out. Here's like a whiner, is this like a place where whineries are? Where would you rank the house for you? The house? Cause it's compared to all of them. Yeah, all of them.

Starting point is 00:00:33 Oh, no, I don't think this has one of the best views. Yeah, one of the best views for sure. Yeah. I like the one in Hollywood, the hill. I like the Tahoe one. But it's a nice place. But yeah, a nice fireplace. Yes, it's very nice.

Starting point is 00:00:43 Anyway, for the first 50 minutes of our introductory current events conversation, we covered Eric Lungrim. He's actually a gentleman who's hacking into cars, making them last longer, and he might even go to jail over it. No, it's the computers. He's coming up with a chip for computers. Something like that. We're pretty close.

Starting point is 00:01:02 The computers of cars to make them last longer. Yeah, he turned, no, he turned them into, he actually took all parts from computers and made a car. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's with a car park. Well, learn learn learn what we really talked about in this episode. We talked about the evolution of our style. I'm the most consistent. Obviously, he definitely have that down. We talk about men and crying, Justin gets real deep on that one. Man, I was bl have that down. We talk about men and crying just think it's real deep on that one. I was blubbering. We talk about communication skills, Putin's new nuclear toys or, as Adam says it,

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Starting point is 00:02:51 Yeah. Next question. Just slain it. Next question. Where do we see the future of personal or training? Actually, a great conversation on that question right there. Next question was, what are our thoughts on necessary nutrition for children and the best way to teach them about eating healthy? Also a good conversation there. Do you spank them when they eat an Oreo? Wow.

Starting point is 00:03:12 Probably not. Yeah, that's not the move. Final question, how do we weigh out huge decisions? Do we have any advice for people who are facing a huge life decision? Again, this episode we get pretty deep. It's pretty entertaining. Also, would you like to get into our forum for free? What do you say? That's right.

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Starting point is 00:04:15 Sometimes I heard. Well that's the maps prime and prime pro bundle. If you get any bundle, don't forget you get free access to a forum for more information, go to mindpumpmedia.com. So you guys do either or just do either one of you guys know who Eric Lundgren is. No, you never heard that name. I'm like, I saw I was reading in the hustle. Yesterday, his name sounds familiar.

Starting point is 00:04:37 Like you, I would think you both know it. I, I, I didn't know who it was. And I feel like I should know who this guy is because he sounds fucking brilliant. He is like an e-waste recycling pioneer. He was one of the people that started to see how fast we're turning through these electronics and that it was like going to be a problem and then he's supposed to be really brilliant. He's taken some of these computer parts and he's actually made a car out of it that we can

Starting point is 00:05:02 go further than a Tesla on electricity, right? So, yeah, yeah, so he's supposed to be really brilliant. And so, check this out, this is what he does. So, in 2011, he's been back and forth, I guess, in this big lawsuit. 2011, he creates a, I guess it's like a disc or a chip that increases the longevity of your current computer. So, basically, I think it like Updates it to whatever. So he's hacking. Yes into so he's hacking it He's hacking and he's because you know what your computer is just obsolete in five years

Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah Right and you're and then you're into the next thing. Well, he's found a chip to Expand the life basically of these of these Microsoft computers and so guess what Microsoft is coming after... They're pissed. Oh, for sure. They want, yeah, they want you to upgrade to the newest thing. And that's why they, I swear, dude, they have it built in to go to a certain amount of time to where everything's gonna start to degrade. There's not, there is no, like, this is,

Starting point is 00:06:00 like, where and there. This is funny to me because, especially for technology, patents. They're trying to put him in jail and shit over this. I know. So this is, he's infringing on patents and patent laws and protectionist laws, which, you know, whether you agree with him or not,

Starting point is 00:06:17 I think it doesn't matter. Good luck. Like this is a program. How are you gonna stop this? People jail break their phones all the time. That's illegal too. Like one stuff like this in technology gets free, which obviously if he created it,

Starting point is 00:06:28 it's not, yes, he's a smart guy, but at some point it'll be as easy as going on your computer and downloading it to something and then uploading it. That's crazy. Because every time I swear, I update after Apple comes out with a new product and I update my phone or my computer or whatever, I swear the speed goes way down.

Starting point is 00:06:45 It does. No, no, they came out with a statement and said that that's what they do. And they do that. So the reason why they do it is they say, it's to save your battery life because the new updates. Oh, bullshit.

Starting point is 00:06:55 Yes, that's, of course. That's what I think. Do their plan like three, four generations down, dude. And everything, all the computers, all the computers, all that. Here's the thing with that though, Justin, like that's perfectly fine in my, in my, yeah, I still not there.

Starting point is 00:07:08 So for me, that's perfectly fine. They have the right to choose that, but then somebody else has the right to potentially put something there. You know, you can change it. Or you just buy something different, but as far as this guy getting in trouble for doing what he's doing under current law,

Starting point is 00:07:20 yeah, he has broken the law, but these, this is all posturing, like they're trying to make an example of people like him, but good luck stopping anybody else from doing that. Like patents are gonna be so completely worthless at some point. Yeah, it's not gonna be funny. I can't live that in any way this was. I can't live that in any way this was.

Starting point is 00:07:35 You know, this old ownership of all these different things, it's funny, like they're scrambling now, trying to figure it out. Because the old model is just completely, it's gonna change so much, what are you gonna do? Yeah. Do you guys remember anybody who before like Napster, like what was the first big, big thing like that? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:53 Before Napster, we used to steal cable, you know, you do the block box. Oh right. That's right, like pay-per-view. Yeah, you could jack in your neighbors. Remember that shit? What else were people doing? I mean people would go into camp

Starting point is 00:08:04 and the movie theaters and like, campy or... Yeah. But nobody really cared about that, because the quality was so bad. Right, right. We're now, you can just get the same exact quality, no problem. Right.

Starting point is 00:08:16 I wish, I wonder, I mean on my audience, I love, by the way. Every time I go to Mexico, I love that some knockoff shit. Do you? Yeah. You're gonna come back and you're like, these aren't Oakley's.

Starting point is 00:08:25 Yeah. Oh, these are folklees. Did you know how much those costs? Okay. So when I was a kid, I was in, let's see, your fourth grade. And I was trying to think of what made me into Oakley glasses that much.

Starting point is 00:08:37 But I liked Oakley so much. That's when they had the razor blade sides. You know, like the tent, the different, and you could use the razor one. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is fourth grade, bro. This is way bad. That shit was cool then. You know, saying totally, and I saved the whole summer up to buy a pair. They were like $120 or $140 back then, which is like $500 for glasses now, right? So I saved up for these glasses, a kid. And that was when chums were popular. So you put the chums on my my God. The croquis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You put those on.

Starting point is 00:09:05 Oh man. That's crazy. What? I don't know why I was just telling you that. The best was the ones. Like you remember, um, was it Michael Jackson had the ones where like kind of was like a web that went down, you know, from here, like they're bright red and then they had like a webbing around the sides. Oh, that's what I was telling you guys. Those things cost 23 cents to make. That's crazy. What? It's just plastic and then, yeah. Well, the cost of the product is not based on the cost

Starting point is 00:09:33 of, like the cost of consumer pays is partially based on how much it might cost to make. But my point of that is that we're gonna be able to make things like that for next to nothing. You'll be able to jack and your, it's just plastic. Well, how easy would it be to get that raw materials here in the next 10 years? So think of it this way, because I thought about that for a second, right? When it comes to fashion, fashion may be protected a little bit, because people don't necessarily

Starting point is 00:09:57 buy the expensive fashion because it looks better. It used to be that way, but it's really more so because they want people to know it's authentic. Like it's real and I paid this much for it. So I think what they're gonna have to do is a way for you to express yourself. Right. So that'll never, I agree with that. So I, we'll still find a way to make that expensive.

Starting point is 00:10:17 Well, that's gonna say, what do you think about this? Like I feel like fashion makers will just figure out creative ways to, well, I think maybe they'll do like a special look at. I'll show you how we do it. Here's an example of it right now. Do you guys know, you've seen my shoes that I have from Kikaso. So this is, you're watching this stuff become really popular. Someone like Taylor that's a purist with shoes hates that

Starting point is 00:10:38 and doesn't like that. But I see the future of that of like even fashion being so unique. Like an artist does artwork on your the west coast. Because if you think of the 3D printing future like you're saying like we're gonna be able to print off night the best coolest looking night keys I can just print them up but what I can't not everybody can do is have somebody put their touch to it on something that's like represents me so like I'm you know

Starting point is 00:11:00 like Justin I'm into Star Wars so I have some sort of like our piece of art on there that's represent Star Wars. And so I think things like that, because we'll all be able to make the models versus, and look how we're doing, how you see, and like licensing out your brand. Look where Nike, Nike went with a Nike ID. Nike ID was the beginning of that.

Starting point is 00:11:19 Yeah, absolutely. And now it's getting more and more popular for you to customize it all yourself. So yeah, it'll be like that. You know what I'm saying everyone will be able to have a base model and then you'll you'll seek out Build on it. Yeah, maybe or the other thing could be that people just personalized and make their own shit You know, I mean they'll be still have such tools for for doing these things that the people it'll be maybe instile to not Yeah, that's like creative people. Oh, you know, I don't think everybody's that creative right? They just want to fucking buy something. They don't have like an idea. They'll be that side too

Starting point is 00:11:48 So just like there is now or it'll be like in those dystopian movie movies where everybody's wearing like the same thing Did you guys like it? Justin would did you the one you guys ever go through a phaser? I went through a phase where I wore like white t-shirts for like only like two years dark Jeans and white t-shirts fucking white haains t-shirt V-next dude like. I used to wear white- I used to wear white-hains. I had I literally bought like 30 of them and I just just just wrote that. But that was when I thought I was like all like rockabilly and shit and I would like cuff my pants. You know, and wear my white shirt and then grease my hair every day.

Starting point is 00:12:18 Same exact thing. So how long did you do that for? How many girls is you going to do in that? At least probably a year and a half. You know what I'm saying? How much is your style actually evolved in chains and sizes? My style? Yeah, has it changed much?

Starting point is 00:12:29 You know, I mean, I'm trying to think of things that I actually were important to me with style. I used to wear wife beaters a lot. I had leather jackets. It's still a chance. Used to. Yeah. I still knew.

Starting point is 00:12:41 You were working out in a wife beaters this morning. Oh yeah. I've never seen him not with a wife. I mean, I mean, I literally just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave yourself a sore. I just gave you a tattoo on your body.

Starting point is 00:12:52 I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body.

Starting point is 00:13:00 I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. I just gave you a tattoo on your body. not something that I've really super focused on. I've definitely been like, if I was gonna go out with a girl or whatever would try and look a certain way, but I really never really cared.

Starting point is 00:13:09 Well, you look sharp. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying how I'm curious. What I mean, it's, I never put thought into it. I never really put thought into it. I think to myself, like, oh, I'm gonna, there were times when I was a kid where,

Starting point is 00:13:19 so you never went through that as a kid where you felt like you wanted it, like wanted it something as your friend was wearing it. Janko jeans. Okay. You remember? You know, there was that whole junior high phase where that really hard. That's a hacky sack.

Starting point is 00:13:30 That's a good thing. Hardcore. Yeah. No, no, I didn't have to hacky sack wearing those fucking balloon jeans. No, I never did. You know, it was, it was like a period of time between 12 and I'll say maybe 14 or 15 where you're like, you just trying to fit in, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:13:46 So you kinda see what other people wear. But then after that, I started, I really stopped caring, so I was just like, whatever. You know, I was this past weekend and we were talking about this. I was forced to be creative with like my outfit because we couldn't, I got a box like every year for my grandmother that my sister and I,

Starting point is 00:14:04 okay, my 50-year-old grandmother's picking my outfits out She's picking my clothes up which I appreciate and I love my grandma for that But I had like all the knockoff like Nike stuff would be like a Nike swoosh But then inside the haze dad's like the sushi's upside down. No, they were Like a visor was backwards. You know what I'm saying? But people didn't pick up on it. Yeah, so yeah, saying? That's all there. Oh yeah, so I had shit like that. So I remember early on, being teased for like my outfits. And then I, so I think that it thickened my skin

Starting point is 00:14:33 and built this strong character on that to where I was like, I'm gonna own it, you know what I'm saying? I heard your feelings at first. No, I thought I was trying to think back to that. Like I don't remember it. Well, how did it thicken your skin? Well, here's the thing that tripped me out too. So it was something that we broke through

Starting point is 00:14:48 this last weekend was, so we were telling stories about my sister and I forget exactly how we got there. But I started to say something about my sister and this is where I started to cry. It was a trip because I hadn't, first of all, I don't ever cry. And I started to get choked up about it. I've only seen you cry like four or five times.

Starting point is 00:15:08 That's pretty low. But what what trip me out? My guy in the headlock was one of them. What what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what of joy, right? It was actually, I was talking about something that my sister had said to me about me, and it made me feel really good. And then I start, that made me go even deeper and go, you know, it's a trip. So I didn't even cry at my dad's funeral. And so from that point on, I can't tell you a time that I've ever cried in my life over being sad. Every time I've been emotional, whether I've cried, it's been out of joy and excitement. So I, and I was like, oh, that was a trip. That was a connection that I made

Starting point is 00:15:50 that I never even thought of until he made me get emotional over something and then he asked me thought I was maybe sad or something. I was like, no, no. That's actually quite common among men because we, as we grow up and get older and whatever, we know that crying grow up and get older and whatever,

Starting point is 00:16:05 we know that crying is like socially unacceptable or you know, you're made fun of. And it's always attached to, don't be a wimp, you know, be strong or whatever. So it's always attached to pain. So I think we have learned as men to, so for not cry for that. But then when you all of a sudden get super happy

Starting point is 00:16:23 and don't know what to do, like you don't know how to deal with that. and then the emotion kind of comes out a little bit That's what I really think it is because I'm the exact same one so think of that So think that if with men naturally kind of have that in them already and then my father takes his life at seven years Oh, it makes it worse, right? And then I and then I don't cry well also probably because I can't even imagine I'm the child because you were seven right right and I'm the oldest like how you're dealing with it Yeah, right so you probably felt did anybody the oldest. Like how you're dealing with it. Right, so. You probably felt, did anybody tell you,

Starting point is 00:16:47 or did you automatically feel this? Did anybody come up to you and say, okay, well, you're the man in the house now, or did you automatically feel that because you were in the house? Oh, I automatically felt that right away. So right, and now you're seven, now imagine this, you're seven year old self,

Starting point is 00:17:01 feeling now that you are the man of the house, you're seven year old understanding of now that you are the man of the house, your seven year old understanding of what that meant, is what you like an immediate like switch went off. Like you like whatever you want to understand as a seven year old now, you're like, this is what a man is and I'm sure trying to imagine how much it cemented into my mind now over all this time too, you know, I'm 37 years old,

Starting point is 00:17:22 think of all those years. So I thought that was really cool that we made that connection that I had never even thought about that before. And I said, oh shit, that's a trip, you know, that type of stuff. I can't remember. I can't remember the last time I cried over something really sad. Yeah, either that's very difficult. I didn't cry.

Starting point is 00:17:40 Dude, I didn't cry when I got divorced at all through the whole process. I didn't. And it was very tough. I was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. Oh yeah, well I did cry when someone very close to me died of cancer, but it was what they said to me that made me cry and she told me, don't feel bad, you did help me, you really tried your best.

Starting point is 00:18:01 And then I was like, and so I don't know if that's necessarily sadness or like I failed, you know that I kind of know if that's necessarily sadness or like I failed. You know that I kind of lost it, but I don't, but it wasn't like a sob, like I've never sobbed. Don't you sometimes feel like you, like I wonder if you're missing something because you haven't done that.

Starting point is 00:18:13 You thought it stored up inside you. It's completely let it out. Dude, I told you about the time I saw, um, if you guys, when's the last time you've heard a grown man actually cry cry, like when's the last time you heard that? 22 years old, so we're on there. I don't know if you heard it in that ran away.

Starting point is 00:18:29 It's a weird thing to hear. It's like yeah, because you're not used to it and I feel like when a man loses it in that direction, then it's like, because I heard it. Dude, there was a guy that worked for in my facility who he was going through some really terrible shit with his wife and one of the female trainers one goes up to him and she's his friend and she starts hugging him and you can see him kind of

Starting point is 00:18:50 like he's really sad so his arms right aside he won't even like put his arms around her and she keeps rubbing his back and she's like listen it's okay you can like you can let it out it's okay. Oh she robbing Williams, dude and then he went and it's not your fault. And then you see his face chains like he starts crying quietly But then he started like starts the lip like kind of quiver. Oh, then he started the It was really like oh no not bubbles here. What you do That's the only time I've cries like when somebody Somebody is like really crying like and I'm just like sitting there and then it like starts to affect me

Starting point is 00:19:23 is like really crying, like, and I'm just like sitting there and then it like starts to affect me. You know, like it's contagious or something. I just can't help it, man. Like I just, I feel energy from other people more than, like I don't think to do it, but like somebody can affect me like that. Like that, that's the, that's the, the mark of a good of a natural communicator.

Starting point is 00:19:38 So there's, there are neurons in the brain called mirror neurons. Have you heard of these? So if I, if I'm, if I'm doing something, let's say I have an emotion, my own original emotion, or I do a movement, or I throw a basketball or something like that, there's neurons that fire, that pattern, that show that I'm doing that. Now if I watch someone else doing that exact same thing, those neurons still fire. The only difference is I'm not getting the physical feedback from my body from actually

Starting point is 00:20:04 performing it. So when you're watching someone have an emotion, smiles, cry, whatever, your mirror neurons go off and that literally tell you that you're experiencing the same thing. That's how social humans. That's why we're so interconnected. That's why I'm whole body language. That's why when you see people that are great communicators, not only can they communicate verbally, but also they're animated and they smile. That's such an important piece to communication. The most important part of communication is not speaking.

Starting point is 00:20:37 It's listening. And listening is not just hearing the words. It's actually feeling what the person is trying to convey. Here's a thing. Here's a thing. Here's a thing. If you're trying to communicate to somebody and you fully grasp and understand what they're trying to communicate and their emotional state behind their communication, now you know how to reply and communicate back to them.

Starting point is 00:20:59 If you don't understand that, it's impossible. You're guessing at best. At best, you're guessing. And you can be a good salesperson and sell your idea or whatever, or at least animate it and make it really charismatic or whatever. But if you don't fully understand the other person, then you're kind of guessing and you're really playing with half power or not even. So I remember learning that as a salesperson. One of the most impactful lessons I ever learned was early on in my career at fitness. I was really effective at selling training right out the gates,

Starting point is 00:21:31 but I remember sitting next to, at the time, one of my mentors who had been doing it a little longer than me, and he was also very, very good, and he was doing the process or whatever, and me and him were talking to a potential customer together. After the customer left, he looked at me and he said, use your ears in your mouth and proportion. I said, what does that mean? He goes, listen, twice as much as you talk. Many times when you listen, you're going to get everything you need to be a much more effective communicator.

Starting point is 00:21:57 And I was like, that's weird. I don't know if that makes sense or not, but I just started doing it. And I started realizing, oh, shit, I'm way better. When I listen more than I talk, and that's what it really, that I just started doing it and I started realizing, oh, shit, I'm way better when I listen more than I talk. And that's really what it amounts to. Well, part of the sales process that I used to teach trainers was to, like someone to answer a question,

Starting point is 00:22:13 my channel, before even trying to think of money and sales and converting things like that, like learn to be an active listener, learn to engage in the conversation. And so when you ask a question, don't just stay right there, like go three more questions within that question. You know what I'm saying? So if I ask you something very basic, like, Sal, what's your goal? And you say, right, I got a dig deeper into that. How do you mean, right? How much? Yeah, exactly. All those different things. And when you do that,

Starting point is 00:22:38 it makes that other person feel like you're engaged in the conversation. By the way, how do you mean is a magical statement in communication? If you want someone to go deeper, all you got to say is how do you mean? For whatever reason, it is not a... If I say what do you mean, sometimes it's a little abrasive.

Starting point is 00:22:56 Like if you're explaining something, I'm like, what do you mean? You know, it's like people feel accused, but if I say how do you mean, it comes across very much like I'm trying to understand you, and boy, do people open up. There was another technique that I've really started to utilize recently that I learned from Jordan Peterson, who's obviously he's a psychologist. And so when a very, very good psychologist teaches you how to listen or talks about listening to people, that's a good time to pay attention because that's what they do.

Starting point is 00:23:22 That's what their job is, especially if they're good, right? That's a good time to pay attention because that's what they do. That's what their job is especially if they're good, right? So one thing that he said that was I was like, oh, that's fucking brilliant is when someone's explaining something to you Repeat it back to them. So what if you're explaining something to me then I'll say okay Let me let me see if I understand what you're saying what you're saying is and try to Distill what they're saying and it's something that's understandable now that sounds easy But it's actually quite difficult because you'll go back and forth many times, many times because you either didn't understand them

Starting point is 00:23:50 or because the person communicating is thinking out as they're talking, they're trying to formulate what they're trying to express themselves. But when you can distill it down to what they mean and you both agree after you've communicated it, now you can communicate your point extremely effective. I heard him, I read that when he wrote that, and I was like, well, that's fucking brilliant.

Starting point is 00:24:12 And I've actually used it a couple times, and I've gotten a couple, well, that takes good communication with both parties, because you can do that, and then a lot of times people's egos, if they don't understand what you're saying, but then they just immediately agree with what you're saying, because they don't really, they feel like afraid to say,

Starting point is 00:24:29 well, I don't necessarily understand what you just said there. Like, can we talk about that a little bit more? Well, that's what makes humans so dynamic and remarkable, and especially in our growth, and how fast we evolve our thought process and the way we live and things tend to get much much better in most metrics is that our ability to communicate with each other and that extends to writing things down and storing them so now we have stored knowledge that we can add upon and it also comes to, I mean, the better animals can communicate the more social they become, the larger their societies become, this is true for all animals, whether you look at chimpanzees or

Starting point is 00:25:08 dolphins or humans, where the greatest communicators, you know, in the world, our ability to be a convey ideas. We're number one. Yeah, our ability to convey ideas. Are we though? Are we? I mean, that's what we think. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:20 I mean, how do we know that? Our octopuses, you know, have in deep conversations. Well, so they don't even need to be, they don't even need to be near each other. They're just tingly. Well, well, here's, well, here's the part that they lack, because they do communicate pretty well with you. I'm just fucking with you.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Well, I think about that a little bit. Well, colonies communicate in incredibly remarkable way, so that they all work as one unit. You get what's on the top line. The jellyfish lives forever. I feel like maybe they got something to do now. Or bees. Yeah, but that's almost like on a chemical level.

Starting point is 00:25:51 Well, that's what I'm saying. It's just a form of communication, right? But here's the difference between that. The difference between us and other animals like ants or whatever, because they do have, in some respects, incredible communication is that humans have the ability to store knowledge

Starting point is 00:26:07 and then to add on to it. So ants have evolved in their processes that much in millions and millions of years, whereas humans have this hockey stick of evolution where we not a lot changed for a long time. There was some advance, but then when we got the ability to store information, it was like, now we explode in our ability to grow and evolve, where we can become more and more specialized as a result. So, yeah, so I find communication fascinating and I think the better you can do it as a person, the more effective you'll be in your whole life, everything. Relationships, your job. I don't care what work do you do. That's an important aspect. I mean, I think it's, I your job. I don't care what work do you do. That's an important aspect. I mean, I think it's, I tell every,

Starting point is 00:26:46 I don't care what fucking job you have. That has to be one of the most important things that you can learn to do for sure. I think that should be taught at very young age all the way through school. That should be like a staple class the way we've treated some other classes that I think are pretty useless.

Starting point is 00:27:00 Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely, and I think that rules should be established, or at least people should understand how a good argument or a good debate is made so that we don't get so caught up in the, like here's a simple silly, simple example. It would solve a lot of people's problems when they're trying to argue or debate with someone. If I'm having an argument with Justin over a specific topic,

Starting point is 00:27:24 and Justin does a, he creates a straw man for me to focus on, we've lost the central focus of the conversation, so no progress can be made, because now we're sidetracked with all these different straw men that really don't have anything to do with the topic at hand. You've got people on the straw man, and it's for example, I don't know what straw man is. So a straw man would be just creating a separate argument

Starting point is 00:27:45 That really has nothing to do with so for example if I say to you You know, well, you know Trump is made a Trump made a bad decision on foreign policy And you know, and I'm a liberal right Trump made a bad decision on for some foreign policy And then you come at me you'd be like well Obama made the same decision What the fuck does that have to do with what I just said? Other than, now we're gonna argue who's playing a diversion tax. It's really, it's nothing has nothing to do

Starting point is 00:28:11 with what we're discussing at all. It's just, it's distracting me from what we're talking about. There's a lot of different ways of debating a more extreme version with that, maybe someone attacking you personally. Either, and that's called something else. I forgot what that's called, but there's a lot of terminology. And just knowing how to debate and discuss it,

Starting point is 00:28:29 like let's focus on the topic at hand, let's discuss this. And you're right, attacking someone personally, also was another kind of not fair and not really effective. You know what's interesting? You guys are talking about like school. Like I remember in college, we actually had a class where we would have a panel, like basically our project was to argue and debate a point that they would just assign you.

Starting point is 00:28:51 And so a lot of times you got the one that like you didn't agree with necessarily, but you had to kind of build up your case and you had to like write all these points out and make sure that it was a powerful case that you're presenting against the counter argument. And I remember getting one for it, I had to like argue for having nuclear power and nuclear warheads. So I had to like argue basically, obviously my argument was really just that we got to this certain level. So that way, now we've prevented wars because with nuclear warheads, it's like a deterrent. It's like the ultimate.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Basically, we all go down. But anyways, it was interesting because it gets people to think in a different direction and it causes them. No, it's a good practice right away to learn to argue the opposite side. Are you kidding? That's all I do that all day long. It teaches you empathy when someone else is debating you

Starting point is 00:29:53 about a topic. The first thing I assume, I think there's a mistake a lot of people make when they get into debates or conversation is they're thinking of their next point versus trying to actually listen to the other person and understand where they're coming from. That's right. And so doing stuff like that helps you understand

Starting point is 00:30:11 where somebody else could be coming from because you've actually had to think, okay, if I had to argue and defend this, what are all the angles or ways I had to think? That helps you have empathy for that person who's now debating that on that side. I think it's such an important skill. Well, I mean, you here's a deal when it comes to, you know, kind of where I was going with this. You said empathy for someone I totally forgot. No, it is. It's just it's super important that people

Starting point is 00:30:35 learn to do that. Okay, that's a skill set that I mean, I feel like I've been practicing for a very, very long time. Oh, here is where I was gonna go. If you don't mind me interrupting. You just put Justin. Yeah, I know. I just did a Justin right there. Yeah, what happened? We hung out, very long time. Oh, here is where I was gonna go. If you don't mind me interrupting. You just put Justin right there. Yeah, I know, I just did a Justin right there. Yeah, what happened? Wow. We hung out too much last night. How am I affecting you just like your affecting my guy? No, so here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:30:51 If you're so afraid of being wrong that you avoid looking at the other side, like you don't almost don't want to know. You just want to be right so bad that you don't want to know. But the reality is, do you want to be right in the sense that you have the right answer or do you just want to win? Is my point. Yeah, so if you want to truly be right You have to study and examine the opposite side with as much detail and as much dedication Add to the side you strive to think your way through that and one of two things is gonna happen one is You're gonna realize that you're wrong, but that's great because that means you're no longer wrong.

Starting point is 00:31:27 So that's awesome, but people are afraid of that because then all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's been wrong this whole time and that's too painful. It's more painful to continue to being wrong. So just realize that. And the second thing is when you, if you study the other side and you realize

Starting point is 00:31:40 that you're still right, you've only strengthened your position even further. You know what I'm saying? So you're just creating, you've only strengthened your position even further. You know what I'm saying? So you're just creating, you're getting more evidence by being as open as honest and possible. I do that shit. If I'm debating someone on economics, I tell you something right now, nine at a ten times, I can argue they're side better than they can. And I can still overcome it, but I can still argue they're side better. And you see a lot of the same arguments circulating over and over again because people haven't realized

Starting point is 00:32:05 that because it worked on people who didn't know their side. Once you start to debate a side and you start to realize, oh, that's not an ecstasy or argument, then you start to strengthen your own. So it's very important that you do that. Very, very important. Did you guys see Russia's announcements on their nuclear, their new nuclear? Speaking of nuclear, right? That would have been a much better transition. Why didn't you do that? He was talking about nuclear. Yeah, that was, he was their new nuclear. Speaking of nuclear, right? That would have been a much better transition.

Starting point is 00:32:26 Why didn't you do that? He was talking about nuclear. Yeah, that was, he was talking about nuclear. Why wouldn't you start right there? Instead of forgetting your new nuclear. Nuclear. One of these times out, one of these times. Nuclear is no, it is.

Starting point is 00:32:36 It will be smooth. So, so Russia has got, apparently Putin came out and talked about their new nuclear capabilities, their new weapons that they have. Awesome. Yeah, exactly. Not scary at all. So one of his ICBMs is called the Satan 2. I don't know if you guys know that. That's the nickname for it. Get the fuck out of here. No joke. Wow. And this isn't, so it's an ICBM. Those are intercontinental ballistic missiles. That means that they can launch them from Russia and they'll hit any country or anywhere in the world, right?

Starting point is 00:33:07 And we've had these for a long time. This has been around since the 19th. We've got the Patriot Miss. 70s and 80s, right? Well, here's a deal. They've designed one that flies at hypersonic speeds in strange maneuvers that now they're showing examples and American strategists are saying,

Starting point is 00:33:24 oh yeah, that would be almost impossible to shoot down with our current capabilities. So there's that. So that came out. He also has a sub that is autonomous. So it's a total self-driving sub. It's a nuclear sub that's nuclear powered. In other words, this thing goes underwater and can be out

Starting point is 00:33:43 in the ocean for like 100 years or more and park itself, park itself somewhere in the ocean. So it could be in the ocean, it could sit there, turn itself off, or run at low, whatever, nuclear powered and chill in case some shit goes down. So they've got one of those,

Starting point is 00:34:00 which I'm sure those have been around for a while. I'm sure we probably have those too. And then there's also a nuclear-powered cruise missile. So this is a missile that goes up into space probably and can just circle the globe forever with a new gun straight up peacock. Yeah. So essentially this is just ensuring mutual destruction. Oh, that's all it's just keeping the balance on the force I guess. No, he's just, he's trying to like put his chips out there like boom, dude, I got it's gotta end at one point though, right?

Starting point is 00:34:33 Like how do you, how do you get more powerful when that sense, right? I don't understand how, where it is. There's nothing. We'll have a death rate. I can now blow the world up seven times over. I mean, is that was nothing. I think the biggest advantage would be if somebody We'll have a death rate. I can now blow the world up seven times over. I mean, is that what? There's nothing.

Starting point is 00:34:45 I think the biggest advantage would be if somebody invented a way to completely neutralize all incoming missiles, that would be a huge power shift. But other than that, I, you know, here's a thing, like a lot of people are realize this, if the Soviet Union and the US didn't have nukes when the Cold War was going on. We would have gone to war for sure.

Starting point is 00:35:06 100% we would have gone to war. We almost went to war with nukes. Yeah. You know, several times, people don't realize how close we came to, you know, mutually a short self-destruction on, you know, both sides on all sides, right? But we didn't because of that. It was like the biggest deterrent. It's my Pakistan and India don't go to wars because they got nukes pointed at each other. And it's like, who's going to pull the

Starting point is 00:35:26 sugar first? It doesn't matter. Everybody dies. It would be like pouring poison into everyone's water, including the water that I'm going to drink to kill you. You know, it wouldn't make any sense. The only time this, this fee that I, so I have no worries about this with Russia or other countries. Only time I have, I worry about something like that is if religious fanaticism gets their hold on New Yorkers because they believe so much in, like they're willing to kill themselves anyway. So that would be a way, like you know what I mean? So for suicide bomber mentality, got their hands on a nuke, and that's what they want. They want mutual destruction. They're gonna launch a nuke just so that they know everybody else is gonna nuke each other so what was

Starting point is 00:36:08 I uh what was that quote I don't think I've said it on the show yet what was that Einstein I think he said he says I don't know what world war three will be fought with but I know that world war four but will be fought with sticks and stones yeah it's fucked up yeah that's a fucked up man fucked up quote but yeah so it's funny how Russia is still trying to stay relevant, you know. Yeah, you're right. And I think it really is. It's just like it's just peacocking, you know, but yeah, the extremists, the people that like have no disregard, you know, for being rational and logical and, you know, they

Starting point is 00:36:44 think it gets this higher purpose to do something and it's like higher call and it's this belief system that supersedes like you know all the rest of humanity. That's some scary shit. Dude, you know what it highlights to me is it shows that humans are we are driven by a basic operating system. And that operating system is not your instinct, it's not something you're born with, it's an operating system that you plug in

Starting point is 00:37:14 and it's your belief system. So when people look at people like that who are willing to kill themselves or who do crazy shit or cannibalism, which exists still in parts of the world or just insane stuff. You teach yourself like how could people even think that way? Well, it's because it's their belief system. So that's why it's so important to push for ideals. That's why there's a, you know, being inclusive and letting everybody

Starting point is 00:37:42 speak their mind is important. But it's super important that you also speak your mind and there's a battle of ideas going on because if someone sells their bad idea better, people start using that operating system, people start doing some crazy shit. You know what I mean? So that's why I'm always like, yeah, kind of looking at crazy shit. Yeah, looking out for that crazy shit. Yeah, that's a good transition. It's a better transition right there. People, you know, the latest trend is so this was interesting. I know some people that have actually tattooed their finger to, you know, for if they're

Starting point is 00:38:16 getting married and they want to have rings. Yeah, tattoo a ring on your finger. Not the actual ring. She just wants it. Yeah, something that represents it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need.

Starting point is 00:38:31 That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need.

Starting point is 00:38:39 That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. That's what we need. I had no idea this even existed, but the new trend is the Pierce, your finger. With, yeah. What the fuck? I should show you guys,

Starting point is 00:38:47 I wish we had in the studio, we'd have the TV and Doug could pull it up for you guys, but they literally pierced through flesh, like through the meat of your finger, and then it interweaves in through like the top part, and some people put a stone right here, and it like, yeah, it's like all in, and think about that getting infected.

Starting point is 00:39:09 You had go into work, like, you obviously don't do a lot of shit with your hands. Right. Well, I think, oh, it's just like those studs. Look, oh, there is. Okay, I get it. Yeah. Oh, gross.

Starting point is 00:39:21 You know what, dude? It's just fucking weird. You know, you know what's gonna happen? There's gonna be at some point, the cool thing is gonna be have no piercings, oh gross. You know what dude? It's just fucking weird. You know, you know, it's gonna happen There's gonna be at some point the cool thing is gonna be have no piercings no tattoo. Oh, I think so too Yeah, I think I wonder if our party's already moving I wonder if like when we get old our kids are You so lame dad. Yeah, yeah, fucking tattoo your door Yeah, you know people oh, man cool tattoo dad The only reason why I'm into clean the only reason it may have, it may hang around there is for the, especially if you

Starting point is 00:39:49 have art that means something to you that means it's just like the fashion thing, right? It's a way to, it's another way to express yourself. So I think it, well, the trendy, I definitely think the piercing and just putting holes in your body all over the place. So I don't think tattooed, well, maybe, here's what I, so here's what I'm observing. Maybe you guys disagree with me because I'm speculating here. But what it looks to be, what it seems like with the trends of, we'll talk about tattoos for a second. The trends of tattoos so far seem to be where you put the tattoo. And there's been a few

Starting point is 00:40:18 trends of types of tattoos. Like there was the Chinese writing for a while, there was the barbed wire for a while, there was, you know, the wings on the back or the garter-bought thing around the leg. Like I can name a bunch of them that, the tribal, you know, design. But- That's gonna graze right over your dolphin tattoo, huh? Yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:40:34 Yeah, no, that's not a style. Not for men, at least. I'm the only guy that has a dolphin tattoo on it. Yeah, yeah. But, but, so, but mainly what I see with the training with tattoos is places on the body. So first it's cool to put it on your ankle, low back, stomach, neck, we don't wear ever.

Starting point is 00:40:50 So we're just picking different areas. The next place is probably the, not the mid back, lower back or upper back. I'm starting to see mid back. Ribs are starting coming out of style now. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos.

Starting point is 00:41:03 Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. Neck face tattoos. The next one is real popular for some reason. I think it's because the more extreme, right? Yeah. And so you go from the neck on the side, but now it's throat. So a lot of people are getting it on the throat, like right underneath the chin, face, head, which I'm like, wow, that's gnarly.

Starting point is 00:41:16 Yeah, so I feel like the eyes, so I feel like people tattoo their retina. Yeah, so what in the fuck? It feels to me like tattoos won't go out of style until all the spots have been gone out of style. Like until everything's gone out, then you're gonna see people be like, oh I don't have any.

Starting point is 00:41:32 And by that time I think we'll be able to do this thing where we'll be able to, you know, I'll be able to hit a button or hit software that goes, I get like a cool, get like a tribal sleeve. It's almost like on a wall. It's like, you know, they change the color of their suit, but you just change like your dragon tattoo into that.

Starting point is 00:41:48 That would be sick, right? So you're inked up one day and the next day, you're totally not. Yeah. Oh my God, that would be crazy. Come on. That'd be pretty cool thinking it's like second life for whatever that game is. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:59 You just like have your own avatar and you just change yourself all the time. Change your skin color. Well, you know, I should have needed to. I already see those ones that people, they do people yourself all the time. Change your skin color. Well, you work, you work, you work, you know, I should've needed to have more. I already see those ones that people do all the time now that like Hannah tattoos or whatever they did last like a couple of weeks. I mean, just think of that process sped up,

Starting point is 00:42:13 you know, and better technology, or maybe I can just put my arm in a arm or whatever place you want to tattoo. That's a weird idea. Dude, so another trend I wanna go over, which is in our space of fitness, there seems to be now, because more and more studies are supporting what we've been saying for a while now, since day one, that frequency is a major contributor to muscle growth and adaptation.

Starting point is 00:42:36 So, another study came out where they compared two groups of people, one group training of body part, once a week, the other group training a body part six days a week, the six day a week group experienced same results or better, so it was actually slightly better. And now I think of course you can go overboard with too much intensity with frequency, right? Cause I looked at the study and I think they were going to failure every day,

Starting point is 00:42:58 which was like, that's crazy. But they still got great results. Here's what a lot of these frequency studies are showing, which, well you guys know which option, people might not realize this, but more frequency of training results on less muscle soreness, 100%, 100%, which maybe why a lot of people still feel like

Starting point is 00:43:17 brosplets or the super, you know, once a week high-volume workout. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Because they get sore. Because that's their indication of good workout. That's right. Yeah, workout.

Starting point is 00:43:27 And that means I'm building. That's right. No, muscle damage. I am 100% think that. Yeah. Because I know guys that would meet that met me that would that saw that I was training like like our maps like when we were competing. And they would try and do it.

Starting point is 00:43:37 And they would only stick to it for a couple of weeks. And they're like, they would freak out because they're not sore. They're not getting a sore as they were getting before they were hammering everything for one day. And I was just like, no dude, that's just one. It's better. Let me explain something to you. The less soreness you get,

Starting point is 00:43:49 like you want to manage that, too much soreness is terrible. I remember the first, like, I was one of my, was that a mind blowing thing to feel? It was a certification I was going through. I wish I remember which one I was, but I was talking to the guy who was teaching the course afterwards and we're talking about that.

Starting point is 00:44:03 And he said that to me It just was like I did doubt my whole career. I thought if I train if I train a body part once a week I'm gonna get sore every time if I train a body part three or four days a week I almost never get sore. Yeah, never and I can really start to I mean There's a point where I even start to push intensity and I just don't I just don't get sore God I still hear that like oh my god. I got so sore, but in a good way. Yeah, like you can always throw that one in like

Starting point is 00:44:28 right after it. You're like, oh yeah, yeah. Especially if they know my own punk because they know we tell us a good way. It's a good sore. Yeah, I got you. No man, frequency is super important. And this is why, like so people who follow like,

Starting point is 00:44:40 for example, maps, anabolic with the trigger sessions, and you know, we have the three foundational workouts and then the other trigger session days, right? People who follow it to a T are always blown the fuck away. And it's basically because you are literally maintaining an adaptation signal every single day. The biggest, one of the biggest reasons

Starting point is 00:44:59 why you're not building muscle like you want to is because you are simply not having an adaptation signal that's active or high all the time. In fact, if you're not building anything and you're maintaining or whatever, it means you're building and losing at the same speed. So because remember, muscles don't really maintain. They're the builder or the other shrink, right? So gain or lose. So what that literally means is you are gaining and losing equal parts throughout the entire week. So you have as many days that are adaptation in the positive as days that are adaptation in the negative because they're both adaptation, right?

Starting point is 00:45:32 Losing and gaining muscle. So all you have to do is move it in the favor of more often adaptation in the positive. That's all you're trying to do with your resistance training and frequency is a very easy way to do that And so when you throw in that free So even if you do a body part split because you can still do a split and just organize it right you just Bump up the frequency train your body parts more frequently makes a huge and more and more studies keep coming out and I'm seeing all these

Starting point is 00:45:58 You know bodybuilding publications. I here's a thing. How long do you think it'll take before pro bodybuilder start doing this? I think some I think some do I just don't know already mess with it become a little more popular I'm sure well, and here's the thing though, and so and I remember when I got and this is you know What we have coming down the road is a more reflective? I think of what I was at at the peak of my competing where It's a split, but it doesn't look like a split. You know what I'm saying? It's not really, you're still hitting three muscle groups a lot of times in a day.

Starting point is 00:46:31 And so you're able to, you know, and you're still hitting frequent times a week. Yeah, so I think a lot of guys built off of a split. I think if they realized that if they were to just go to a full body for a while, they'd benefit from it. But I even think that some of these, most of the guys that are at the pro level, their split doesn't look like the average gym gore that's trying to make a split work either.

Starting point is 00:46:55 Not to mention all the other things that come in the factor too. I honestly think a big, just a huge part of it is that adaptation signal that you get from resistance training in some people and a very small percentage of people and probioty blooms definitely make up a tiny, tiny fraction of the normal population in terms of this is that they just have an adaptation signal that just fucking stays on. You know, or if I go lift weights and I do a really good job, maybe that adaptation, and

Starting point is 00:47:23 I'm experienced, right? So the more experienced you are, the shorter that adaptation signal stays on, by the way. So if you're a beginner and you lift weights, your body's gonna adapt in the positive, probably over 48 to 72 hour periods. Some studies show that if you're super experienced, that period is like 16 to 24 hours.

Starting point is 00:47:40 Like you're not hitting it some way, maybe a much lower intensity, like the chair is just. I read a study one time that said that after recovery from a muscle, so if you hit it and it gets sore and once it recovers within, within 72 hours, atrophy begins. Yeah, good. But see, here's the thing. Obviously, there, I know that there's tons of variables that go into that, but I remember reading that study that was the first time that kind of switch for frequency. You went off from me was like, well here, look at it this way. When you train less frequently,

Starting point is 00:48:08 you're causing more muscle damage as evidenced by the soreness that you get, right? That means that you're recovering more and adapting less. If you can figure out a way to reduce the damage but still send a muscle building signal and send it more frequently, now you're adapting more than you're recovering, which is why frequency is so,

Starting point is 00:48:28 is so such a powerful force. And the more experienced you are, the more frequent you need because that adaptation signal doesn't stay on very long, but I suspect when you have somebody who's just a fucking genetic freak when it comes to this, that they'll lift weights and that shit just stays on, like three, four times longer than the average person

Starting point is 00:48:46 That's what I think that's happening. They just they just they don't have to do nearly as frequent that and they assimilate food better I mean, I think there's and of course thrown anabolic right yeah Yeah, I definitely think there's exceptions to that rule that there's a lot of that where you see guys that have become Been very successful with building their physique because it's what works really well from. I mean, it was the number one thing that I thought was the biggest problem was, I'm not, I can't, it's hard to knock a guy who's a pro who's done this to his physique over and over and over.

Starting point is 00:49:14 So in, sure, you know, people's minds are watching that. It's like, oh, this trainer's smart, but this guy's done it. I've said it in due time over time again. But what they don't realize is that he's mastered his own body, it doesn't mean he really understands. And his body's so far away from yours, because of those genes. Because of those genetics, you know?

Starting point is 00:49:34 So it's just one of those, it's just cool to see, because I remember talking about this three years ago on Mind Pump and people were blown away by what we were saying, and actually a lot of people were arguing and debating it and saying it's wrong. It's really cool now to see that. It is becoming, it's not the message yet, but it's becoming like part of the discussion. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of when we first started talking about small meals and now it's pretty well

Starting point is 00:50:02 established. Now if you talk to it, relatively informed fitness enthusiast, they'll know that the small meals things is a myth. Whereas three years ago, they didn't. Today, when you talk about training more frequently, it's starting to get to that point where people are like, oh yeah, if you hit the body parts more frequently, you know, and don't go to failure, you know, it's often, it's probably, you know, it's probably better for you. So it's really cool to see that it's, you know, that's moving in that direction.

Starting point is 00:50:25 I mean, the first times I was clued into that were, did you guys ever experience something when you were a kid where you did something good? Well, I'll see you maybe not, because you guys weren't lifting weights until much later. I was starting to, so I was lifting weights of 14 trying to build muscle.

Starting point is 00:50:39 And I remember when I was 14 trying to build, and I was trying to get bigger arms, trying to get bigger arms, and it was really slow and took a long time. And then there was a period of time where I was 14 trying to build and I was trying to get bigger arms, trying to get bigger arms and it was really slow and took a long time. And then there was a period of time where I was like, I had a BMX bike and I was practicing bunny hopping, which requires you to pull up on the handlebars.

Starting point is 00:50:54 And especially if you're not proficient at it, you pull really fucking hard because that's what you think there's the bunny hop, right, so you just rip it. And I remember for like a week, I would go outside and practice for hours, bunny hopping, because that's what you do when you try to learn. You just practice over and I used to measure my arms every week and it was like, I gained

Starting point is 00:51:11 a half an inch on my arms that week. And I remember thinking to myself, like, was it the bunny hopping that made my arms? It sure fucking was. Then there was when I was 15 and I had to wear a knee brace, so I had to walk with one leg straight all the time, which meant that so my left leg was straight all the time, but I could still walk, but it required me to push off really hard with my left foot. So I was just walking like that all the time.

Starting point is 00:51:32 Now, at the time, I was training my calves, my calves weren't growing. And after doing this for a month, my left calf grew a quarter inch, or my right calf didn't. And I was like, was it because I was walking all the time? But I didn't quite put it together. That was that frequency that was doing it, you know what I mean? But the clues were all there. But I think the reason why it is hard for people is we connect so much that soreness like Justin said earlier. And they're seeking

Starting point is 00:51:55 that. And so when you, and then when you realize real quick, when you switch over from being in this single split to going frequently like three times a week, you can't hammer a muscle like that. You got it. You can't, if you hammer like that, it's two days later, you're supposed to be back and it's touching it again. So, you're treading. Right, so you have to learn to really scale back

Starting point is 00:52:16 if you're gonna increase frequency and that's really tough for someone to do who's trained themselves to chase the pump, to chase the burn, to chase the soreness. If you're so used to chasing that all the time, trying to make that transition, that's why the people that I see that don't like it or fail from it, it's typically that. And it's hard to tell them that, you know, say it's like, they got to figure that out for themselves. You can help guide them in that direction. All you got to do is try it for, I mean, if you're really in tune with your body, try it for two weeks.

Starting point is 00:52:46 No joke, two weeks will tell you right away. The first time when I switched, within two weeks I was stronger and I knew, but I know my body pretty well. Otherwise try for 30 days, if you're not one of those super in-tune people, you have nothing to lose, you really don't. Worst case scenario, it's not as effective

Starting point is 00:53:00 if you go back to your old routine. Probably not gonna be that way, try it out. All right. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic super foods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's o-r-g-a-n-i-f-i.com.

Starting point is 00:53:27 And use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout. Oh. All right, our first question is from Eddie the coach. Sex. Yes. Oh, sorry. Sorry, that's a whole question. Wow.

Starting point is 00:53:41 Is it needed for optimal health or is it going without better? Oh, good question. Hey, before you answer that, Adam said, okay, did you pick the sonat of I do add I'm going to jump on it. I need to ask you a question though, that I totally forgot. You you were been having trouble sleeping past couple nights. And I know I made you drink the fuck. That you don't like the taste. Yeah. Did you sleep differently? You know what I think I think you just like for me to point out all the times That you're right about something on the show. That's of course

Starting point is 00:54:10 Well, I give him the ray she the the four-signantic right I put it in the war I just time I he heated it up because he doesn't like Quit being a bit like the taste could be the baby. It tastes better heated up right? Yeah, okay It's not it's not awful. You know I'm saying it's just I like tea. It's just not fucking Cytomax or It's definitely not that purple color No, it's definitely not red or but I did know it does it does call me down right before I go to bed And I like that so it worked. Yeah, I did I fucking work. I slept and we're not at it. We're not home

Starting point is 00:54:41 So that's even a bigger thing for me. Well, I know you always have trouble sleeping outside of you know We travel or whatever so. Yeah, I want to make sure I took care of my boy Sal the near true I appreciate that you take care of it. Well Doug's taking care of us tonight, right? Yeah, I can't wait for that. Oh shit. Doug's with one of dinner tonight. Doug is an excellent fucking cook chef boy or D Yes, if we ever make a cookbook We put up dinner tonight. Doug is an excellent fucking cook. Chef Boyardee, next date. If we ever make a cookbook, it's gonna be a lot of your shit. Well, this last, the last, was it,

Starting point is 00:55:10 we're throwing those Brussels sprout recipe in there we have to. Well, was it this last thigh box or the one before we're Doug ordered his stuff? This is our first time. I think it's about a month ago, I ordered a bunch of stuff with the intention that next time we travel, I'm gonna whip up some

Starting point is 00:55:25 tasty Thai food. Now, did you get this off of the paleo menu or did you just search Thai? I just searched the ingredients I needed. So like last night, the intention was to cook a nice Thai dinner with some basil beef and some penang curry. Boom-taeng curry? Boom-taeng curry? But!

Starting point is 00:55:44 I like how that rolls off your tongue. Hamburger's, dropped my dinner. So, that's because we got Robert Overs' one. Hi. Dude, we got Robert with us. He's like, he was hungry. So, he didn't have time to wait for him.

Starting point is 00:55:54 It was more of a timing thing. It was, truly. So, tonight my intention is to make a Thai Penang Curry with beef, and that includes coconut milk that I got from Thrive Market, some fish sauce I got from Thrive Market. Get some nice spices you're gonna throw in there. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:56:11 And then some basil beef, which is one of my favorites. In fact, I made it for you back when we created Mamp's Black over in the... Oh yeah! It's a little throwback. That was good. Yeah, thanks so much. Thanks, Ty.

Starting point is 00:56:23 Ingredients, you can get right over it, drive market. Did you buy enough meat because we have the giant with us? This is a valid one. I don't know. Do you think 15 pounds will do it? Well, it leaves about two for us. So we'll split two pounds. We can all fight for that.

Starting point is 00:56:37 Which by the way, living in a house with an actual giant is very interesting. Oh yeah. It totally distorts my perception of how big I am. I've never felt the smallest. Imagine how I feel. I posted a picture of Doug and him next to each other. It's so great. It looks like Doug's child.

Starting point is 00:56:54 Last time I felt the smallest when I was in Japan and I sat next to Kanishiki, which he was like 500 and some pounds, a sumo wrestler. Oh, shit. I have a picture. I have to dig it up someplace. Oh, you should have a picture that I do need to find. I have these big spectacles on too, so there it is. You have contacts? You have contacts? I wear contacts at night.

Starting point is 00:57:14 I didn't know that. Yeah, I use this thing called orthocharitology. So those are not your beautiful eyes? Oh, these are my beautiful eyes. Oh, okay. Yeah, gorgeous eyes. You're good. Thank you, Adam.

Starting point is 00:57:23 He's got colored contacts I know actually wear contacts at night and then they change the shape of my eyes and in the morning I take my contacts out and I can see just fine during the day Yeah, that's interesting. Did you read the study on their connection to eye cancer? Yeah I said hey forget it I'm just kidding sounds good I said, hey, forget it. I'm just kidding. Sounds good to you.

Starting point is 00:57:44 So I should take that. All right, let's get back to sex, all right? Yeah, I like it. So is it important for health? It's sex important for health. It's in us primal, man. We're supposed to reproduce. Dude, it is part of the relationship.

Starting point is 00:57:59 This is something that it is important. Being fit. That's how a lot of times you can express love between your partner. It's something that gets distorted because it's men. We have this novelty thing that we keep thinking about. It's definitely something that is constantly bringing me close to my partner at the same time communicating well, all that stuff. It all plays a factor. It's definitely a big factor. know, it is constantly bringing me close to my partner, you know, at the same time, communicating well, all that stuff at all plays a factor. So it's definitely a big factor.

Starting point is 00:58:29 It's so it's not as clear. It's first take, it's not as clear as like food and water and air and shelter in terms of how important it is to you because obviously without food water, you know, you would, you yourself would die without sex, you'd stay alive, but this human species would die. Yeah. So, so it is a fundamental thing that we have as humans that's extremely important now. It's programmed. Yeah. We, we feel that programming to like that we need to do this.

Starting point is 00:58:55 Now, is it important for humans to have sex? Well, it's, again, it's hard to separate because being healthy physically, emotionally, mentally, usually means you have a healthy libido. Actually, no, it does mean you have a healthy libido because that tends to be a part of it. So if you have sex issues, is that bad for your health? I think there's definitely a positive feedback loop but having bad sex or having bad relationship with sex

Starting point is 00:59:20 could also be the result of poor physical health, poor emotional health and poor, maybe even spiritual health. Now, that being said, is avoiding sex bad for you? Depends on your belief system when you're out with it. Right, right. It could be a distraction for you. It could be something that you are addicted to. I mean, I've definitely had friends that are sex addicts, and if anything fasting from that, and actually going without for a while while is helping them get better connected with

Starting point is 00:59:46 Themself and wrist at wrist-allish their own values, right? So I think you get better dreams I do think yeah, you learn to love yourself a lot, right? I think that you know, I think it depends. It really it depends on the person. I think Generally speaking if you know, you have a normal sex, you have a normal relationship with your partner, and you don't have some weird views on it, I think that absolutely, it's a healthy thing that you wanna have. I mean, I know personally for myself

Starting point is 01:00:13 in our relationship, it's extremely important. It's definitely, I mean, here's some things that are anecdotally speaking, I mean, I can tell my attitude, and I can tell Katrina's attitude, I don't think ever the next 24 hours of our relationship hasn't been anything but super positivity, like right after sex, it blows my,

Starting point is 01:00:35 and it's on both sides, it's not just her, it's not just me, it's like I also have more willing to do. It's like mental clarity. It is, well, I think. It's well-being. Also, you share something with your partner that, I don't know if it's this process of you're giving to them on this deeper level, because what I notice is, because, and I catch myself in my own behavior, but I notice in hers too, where, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:58 I also, and proactively go do the dishes, you know, I'm saying, right? Yeah. You know, I'm saying, helper with something that she didn't even ask her. Yeah. And that's, you know, a lot of times I can get so focused on you know what I'm saying? Or I'm saying helper with something that she didn't even ask her for. Yeah, and that's, you know, a lot of times I can get so focused on myself and what I'm doing and all the work that I have and she's very self-sufficient

Starting point is 01:01:12 so I don't have to worry about her. But after we bond and connect like that, I catch myself being more into that and paying attention to that more. So, I mean, again, this is just what I, and I see that from her too. I mean, anytime that we have that connection the next day, the next 24, 48 hours, I feel like she's very attentive to my knee. You're more like in tune with your, with

Starting point is 01:01:34 each other. Right. Right. It's a tough, it's a tough subject to try to quantify when you're talking about like how much sex is healthy, what is healthy sex between two people? Because we have general averages, but that doesn't necessarily mean, that doesn't mean much for individual couples. It just shows what the average, you know, what average people do. I think the most important thing,

Starting point is 01:01:56 if you're talking about sex for a relationship, the most important thing is I think you should both be compatible. And what I mean by that is, you could have a very healthy, high sex drive, but that would be terrible if your partner has a very healthy, less high sex drive, right? Now there's a bit of a discrepancy there.

Starting point is 01:02:15 So if you don't have a lot of sex together, but that's how both of you like it and both of you are just wired that way or whatever, and that's healthy for you, then that's great. If you guys have tons of sex, but that can also be dysfunctional, by the way. To a lot of sex can be a distraction, it can be just based on a lot of things.

Starting point is 01:02:32 Many times, it's a signal that the relationship is built only on lust. Oh yeah, you can have that. That's true. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And more often than not, when that's the case, it's feeding something else.

Starting point is 01:02:44 It's feeding some other insecurity that you have that's driven you to be attracted to that type of person. And then that's all you see in this, the loss. But if you're a healthy individual, your sex drive is typically healthy in the sense that it's not distracting you. So some people, and I think especially men, will attribute a super high sex drive with healthy.

Starting point is 01:03:05 And that's only because we've connected lots of sex and high sex drive with being manly. And that's what healthy is. And yeah, I like to bang all the time. I got a boners all day long or whatever. And men joke that way. So we think sexual, yeah. So sometimes sexual compulsion can be confused for being healthy. Like, no, I'm a healthy man. Like, I do, you know, I have sex all the time and I have all this meaningfully sex.

Starting point is 01:03:28 That's not necessarily healthy either. I think a healthy sex drive is probably not distracting. Like, it's not getting in the way of life. But it's healthy enough to where you feel good about it. You feel comfortable with it. You have good relationship with someone else who, or other people, or whatever, plural, that you have sex with.

Starting point is 01:03:45 And that's pretty much it. You know, a really low sex drive. That can be an indicator of poor hormone health for sure. You see this being displayed. So problems with hormones and sex are common. Problems with stress and sex are probably more common. Oh, 100%. And I think sometimes people confuse that with hormones, right?

Starting point is 01:04:06 Well, I mean, I share this all the time on the show that that was something that was a major thing that I connected was realizing that I could be on all these antibiotics and still not have a sex drive. I mean, that was stressed out. Yeah, because of work stuff. And I was so obvious because there would be always something going on, a big decision or we'd take on a new employee and the revenue wasn't quite there. And so it's like, oh, god, also, a big decision or we'd take it on a new employee and the revenue wasn't quite there.

Starting point is 01:04:27 And so it's like, oh God, also, I feel the way to the world on me. And then sex drive is just completely flat. I didn't notice that before my 30s. It wasn't until beyond my 30s that I start to really start to connect that and go like, fuck, this is important, you know? What's interesting about the desire to have sex, of course, it's rooted in procreation, but there's a lot more that goes to it like

Starting point is 01:04:47 For women sex has been for thousands of years has been a form of currency And I don't think that it's not a conscious thing, although in some cases it is a conscious thing But in many ways it was you know look female mammals or female human mammals are one of the only mammals on earth that have sex when they're not in heat or at least when they can't get pregnant or most mammals, the majority, the vast majority of female mammals have sex only when they can get pregnant. Human females can only get pregnant really in a short period, in a short window during the whole month. The rest of the month, their odds of getting pregnant are incredibly small and yet human females have sex throughout their entire month.

Starting point is 01:05:31 And so you, you know, one of the big questions is why? And it's because that's probably one way she kept the man around or at least kept him from because a man who had children with lots of other women meant his resources were gonna get spread to other women or maybe he'd find one that he preferred over you which was bad news for you and your child because that was a major responsibility and potential burden for most human civilization so women that was a very strong currency and what i mean by that by that is you'll find that sometimes women will get turned on in under certain circumstances, not realizing that's because that's one of the driving factors.

Starting point is 01:06:13 For example, make-up sex, very, very tends to be very aggressive, tends to be very passionate, and tends to be driven by the female. And it's because, you know, instinctually instinctually probably she almost lost her mate, but she wants him. She wants to make sure she keeps him and not realizing that now she's very passionate and it might be driven from there. So it's kind of fascinating to see the behavior behind sex. I try, I try to reach out. I think the month or two ago to that sex with Emily girl. I thought she would be a really fun. She'd be a fun one to talk to, especially since we've got a question like this, because I love talking to somebody that's all they study, because I think it is super fastening, very interesting. I think there's many variables. I think so many you need.

Starting point is 01:06:58 It's one of the reasons why the behavior of it's so fastening, why promiscuity is strongly correlated with poor relationship with the opposite sex, especially in females. Well, you made a point about the behavior of it so fascinating, like why promiscuity is strongly correlated with like poor relationship with the opposite sex, especially in females. Well, you made a point about how important it is to that you find someone who you are on the same level or a different level. Yes, I think that's really important because there's a lot that happens to us in our like formative years too that really shapes us in our sexual behaviors, you know, even the way you view your mom dead.

Starting point is 01:07:24 I mean, I don't know how much you subscribe to a lot of the Freudian theories and stuff like that, but it's for sure. It's something that could go all the way back to childhood. So when you're dead, you're gonna change that person's. Bro, just think of taboo. Like imprints you. Humans find, humans find a derived excitement out of taboo

Starting point is 01:07:42 and taboo changes. So you guys will love this. I saw an old, someone posted this on some Facebook page, but it was a menu from a brothel, from like 150 years ago. Like a shnazwam, bro. Like an old brothel menu of prices of sexual acts, like they'd have a menu like, oh, if I want a blowjob, if I want to have inner force. like like brothel menu of prices of sexual acts.

Starting point is 01:08:06 Like they'd have a menu like, oh, if I want a blow job, if I want to, you know, if I want to have inner core of the names for all the different activities. But the most expensive, but there's those activities. So let me add, so trip off this, right? Trip off of this. Today, and I have no, obviously, this is,

Starting point is 01:08:22 and this was based off of that article, and I think it's true by the way people make jokes and stuff right today if you were to hire a prostitute The the probably the one of the least expensive Sexual things you could do with her besides like a like you know manual stimulation Which would be like a hand job would be a blow job like a blow job would cost less than sex right much less typically And this is this is what I read in the article like the going price for blow jobs and prostitution and legal brothels in Nevada. So if you go to a legal brothel, blow job is cheaper than sex. On this old menu from 150 years ago, a blow job was by far the most expensive thing because blow jobs were way more taboo

Starting point is 01:09:00 back then. And so it was more valuable. Men wanted them because it was something that women, their partners probably didn't do like, oh my wife doesn't do that. That's only for, you know, whatever, right? Very interesting. So taboo is very fascinating. So the things that we think are taboo kind of excite us and make us want to do it more, which is why I think it's super important to have a partner where you and your partner are so Safe with each other in the sense that you can express your own Potential sexual desires that you don't that I think will prevent potential problems or Proversions or obsessions later on because if you have a partner who's like I'm not doing that or you can't even talk about that Sexual thing forget not doing it because a lot of people are like oh don't even talk to me about that

Starting point is 01:09:44 You may start to obsess about that thing and it becomes of taboo and a fetish and it could cause sexual issues for you. You know? Kind of interesting, right? No, that's really interesting. It reminds you what Lisa Billeu just said when we were just hanging out with her about how her and Tom once a week, but this is more towards their selfish pleasure in general speaking, but how important that probably is for a relationship to make sure you express those selfish desires sexually that you have. If you don't do that and you don't communicate to that partner, how long that sits under there.

Starting point is 01:10:14 And I think it makes it bigger. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Have you ever been with a partner where you're like, oh, this is a little, you know, in your mind, right? You're like, okay, this is a little, like I'm gonna express something. Let's see how they react.

Starting point is 01:10:24 Yeah, you get all nervous. Yeah, what would you explain that, brother? No, no, no, this is a little like I'm gonna express something. Let's see how they react. Yeah, then you say it. What would you explain that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, have a question about all the latex rubber, the mats, and the cameras before we get into that. Why is there viscreen all over the floor? I'll get to that. But anyway, you could you have a conversation with this person about it and they're super open and safe about it And then you find that that thing is not really a big deal because you were able to express it Versus where you feel like you can't say something and then it becomes even bigger and bigger in your mind because of that whole taboo factor Right, right. Yeah, so anyway next question, please. I want anal Next up is David J. Schroer. Where do you guys see the future of personal training?

Starting point is 01:11:16 The future of personal training way way more growth in virtual and online personal training I hope we're a part of that. Then the growth in personal training in person. I won't be as bold as to say, I think the personal training in person market is going to be flat, but I've definitely seen it slow down its growth. It's good when it got, but it started exploding in the 90s. I think it's going to look a lot more like... And I know Bed will disagree with us on that right? Yeah, but I'll argue this all day I think it's gonna look more like like the way Dr. Brink has started his his clinic

Starting point is 01:11:54 I think trainers will have like the same similar type of a clinic set up for example where I charge you pretty top dollar to come in and get like this full on charge you pretty top dollar to come in and get like this full on huge assessment for me to just check every joint in the body, kind of see how you move, go through a full assessment with use and work on your mechanics and then give you all, I mean, then you would lay out a program that's all specific and you'd be able to give detailed videos. I mean, once you let it just like little Skype sessions to kind of like check up on you and see how everything's going. I mean, you'll literally have all, I think with this, this era we're in now, we can just like little Skype sessions to kind of like check up on you and see how everything's going. I mean, you'll literally have all, I think with this, this era we're in now where we

Starting point is 01:12:29 can we document everything that we're doing like a business like ours is when you think about it, when we keep, keep, keep adding to these videos, I mean, look, this is only what, three years in and we've only been doing YouTube, and I think, imagine when you have a, a very good detailed answer for every question that a client could potentially want. It sounds a lot like, and you mentioned Dr. Brings' facility too, which I think, definitely, but also Dr. Molly Maloof, the way that she gets all aggregates all this data

Starting point is 01:12:58 and then interprets it for her clients and shows, okay, here's all these biomarkers, here's what's going on, here's what we maybe can adjust and tweak. So, the further we get with sensors and the further we get with technology that's relevant, if we're able to then incorporate that into the platform. So now the coach can just have, well, your macros were here, your heart rate was super elevated in this portion, and

Starting point is 01:13:27 they see all this data either real time, or at least they can go back and see what was going on with your body throughout the workout process. I think we're going to see less of coaches and personal trainers telling people exactly what to do, and more a bit of a growth in coaches and personal trainers telling people exactly what to do and more a bit of a growth in coaches and personal trainers who are going to teach people how to read all these new devices and things in order to identify, you know, individualize their own programming. I mean, talking about the the the GSMs, the glucose, the continuous, excuse me, CGMs, continuous glucose monitors. the continuous, excuse me, CGMs, continual glucose monitors.

Starting point is 01:14:04 I mean, talk about being able to read your own individual reaction to what you're eating in real time. Right. That is, we're gonna be the most effective. We're gonna be able to deliver every answer you could potentially need to progress your body and find your answers out with instantaneously into your fingers.

Starting point is 01:14:22 And this is why, because that's the beginning. The CGMs are the beginning. This is the beginning. I watched my own evolution as a trainer. And it wasn't until just this last couple of years that I get to the point where it's crazy. I, my job, I was doing less, I was doing less for my people

Starting point is 01:14:38 and I was getting more results because what do we all know? We know that the client that you that asked you, Sal, write me down, and work out in a diet and you write it down and I'm gonna follow. I don't wanna learn, I don't wanna be the... That person never sees more than never. Never, ever, ever, ever.

Starting point is 01:14:54 100% of the time that person, the people that do see it or keep it going are the ones that actually kind of fall in love with the learning process that look like, oh wow, you help connect dots for them and then they be passionate about it. So what I'm thinking is that the future is definitely just helping people connect those dots faster

Starting point is 01:15:10 and more efficiently like tools like that. And it's gonna be less of a choice. There's nothing that I require much of your skills. There's nothing wrong with having a set out plan for you that's designed by professional, even nutritionally, the problem is when the coaching stops there. You need to know the why's behind what they are, and then start to pay attention and see

Starting point is 01:15:30 how you're reacting to, because here's what a good trainer can do. A really, really good trainer can take all their knowledge and experience and can give you the best guess as to what's probably going to work best for you. It is by far the best guess, and it's going to be in the general correct direction for the most part. But if the trainer stops there, they've done 20% of their job. The other 80% is now how do we take that

Starting point is 01:15:56 and start to tailor it and identify signals in your body and move in the right direction to where now you have the routine. Think about this way. You have a continual glucose monitor, right? Imagine if you had a monitor, which I'm sure they can somehow create this, because we already know we can measure this.

Starting point is 01:16:12 It's just the equipment required isn't something that you can have on and you can monitor right away. That technology hasn't been invented. But at some point, what if you can measure, your adaptation signal? Oh, muscle protein synthesis is going up. Oh look, I peeked shit, starting to come down.

Starting point is 01:16:28 Let me go do this exercise or whatever. Now you're literally training your body based off of objective measurements in real time. For sure, the future is gonna look a lot more. I mean, the sensor is with shirts, like it seems a little bit silly right now at this point, but like we're talking about the future. Like so, I mentioned with the sensors with shirts, it seems a little bit silly right now at this point, but we're talking about the future. I mentioned with the cardio threshold, how they're measuring that with the chest expansion

Starting point is 01:16:52 and stuff like that. It's like, this is all happening without you having to really do anything other than wear a shirt, and then you're getting that data. Now, somebody can interpret that and be like, listen, you know, at this pace is what you want to keep consistent to be able to make this time and it's Very accurate that you know, it's probably gonna play out that you know what we're we are five to ten years away from and I think it's closer to five away from a device that's non-invasive That measures your insulin Reaction and maybe some other parameters, but for now we know insulin.

Starting point is 01:17:26 You put it on and you eat normally, like you normally do. And all it does is aggregate data. All you have to do is enter in what you're eating every time you eat it. So, oh, I'm eating four ounces of cheese. I'm eating a handful of peanuts. That's all you have to do. That particular device will measure the metrics

Starting point is 01:17:46 with what you've entered. And after wearing it for a period of a week to a month, it will tell you what your macros need to be. It will tell you what foods to avoid, which ones that you should eat. Face off of what it was measuring. Face off of its own observation. Who do you think it figures it out first?

Starting point is 01:17:59 You think Apple? You think Apple does it for us? I think they created it. There's obviously going to be steps on its face. I don't think they're serious enough about health yet. I mean, I'm yet to see it. Like I know they've built parts like the health kit and things like that that they can kind of get all of your devices

Starting point is 01:18:18 to kind of aggregate. But there's going to be one side that creates the chip and stuff like that that has the ability to read all the stuff. The next, the other part is gonna be the platform that uploads a retail. That's where I think Apple will. Okay, no, I take it back because you know why? Guaranteed between their Apple Watch,

Starting point is 01:18:35 like that would be the first introduction and they're gonna put the, you know, continual glucose monitor in the watch. In the watch, because it's just makes sense. That would be money. So, you know, the data that they're going to get from asking me so powerful. Just imagine like you wake up in the morning and, you know, you look at your app or whatever because of this monitor that's on you. And it says to you like, well, based off of the parameters, whatever today, this is you should eat a high fat

Starting point is 01:19:01 breakfast. You shouldn't have too many carbohydrates and avoid these kinds of foods. Oh my God, that's your diet every day. You just look at it and it tells you what to do. And you follow, and because it's measuring your individual body, you're gonna learn a lot. You're gonna start connecting dots. In fact, I think it probably will do that for you. You know, in our trainer job,

Starting point is 01:19:19 may end up being more like, it may end up evolving to teaching people how to become intuitive with all these tools. Knowing when to not be dependent on all these. Well, that's it. Because it's going to it's going to revolutionize how we can all help ourselves get healthy and in shape with all these markers and feedback. But they mean neurotic about it.

Starting point is 01:19:36 Right. Well, then it's just like us with directions, right? I rely on Google map quests. I would be fucked if my if my phone went down. I had to get to this house where we're at right now Right, right? I wouldn't I would have to go find a map You know what would be for me to go to a gas station find a map then try and figure out where the without the use of my phone I'm like calculator

Starting point is 01:19:56 Math equations, I'd be fucked that's and that and I think because we're talking about ourselves that we're so disconnected from because we're gonna Be plugged into this so that we're part of our job.'re gonna be plugged into this. So that part of our job I think will be teaching people how to distill that information. God, just imagine if they had that for exercise, don't you know what I mean? Oh, well based off of these measurements, squats at the eight rep range are benefiting you the most right now or something.

Starting point is 01:20:16 Shit like that. James are just gonna be completely littered with sensors everywhere. They're just gonna be sensors on everything because whatever you pick up, you're gonna know how much weight it is, how many reps you're doing, like all that shit. It's all gonna be all you can have old timers like us who are like,

Starting point is 01:20:31 give me the fucking iron and the chalk. I don't want no electricity. Yeah, but those will have electronics in anyway. It'll be interesting to know how much easier it makes it for people to get in shape. You know, like if you just, because you have that feedback, like how do I, I mean, a lot of people are just unaware and they have no desire to become aware, but if you had something that was buzzing on you

Starting point is 01:20:51 that just said, like you said, so, you should eat something with this, between these calories right now. It's only gonna be useful with the coach that interprets all that for you. I feel like it'll get lost with like your everyday person. It can't be. I don't know like your everyday person. It can be. I don't know how to use it.

Starting point is 01:21:06 It can be. So the future of trainers is being aware of this and then knowing how you fit into that. Yeah. Right. Cause as these things come out, there's going to be somebody like you said who's going to need to be able to explain this to them and teach them how to be proud of them. So I think the sooner you read, if you're a personal trainer, the sooner you realize that your job is to change how your clients think, change how they process nutrition, how they think about food, how they think about exercise, and the sooner you realize that teaching them had to listen to their body is the most important thing, the more money you'll be able to make and the more value you're going to provide to your clients.

Starting point is 01:21:41 If you believe that you are the person that just tells them what to do and I got to motivate them by getting them excited and hyped, you can you stay on that train, you're gonna be, you're gonna have a tough time making a living. Oh, dude, I think that's when we're filing and see all that bullshit died, dude. It's coming to an end real quick here with the hype and motivation.

Starting point is 01:21:59 I think so, because I think anybody results. It's all short-term results. And the quality of trainers, the quality of trainers has slowly gotten better as the market's gotten more competitive. I do believe that. And I think they're gonna keep having to get better as with all this technology and stuff that's coming out

Starting point is 01:22:15 because a lot of this stuff's gonna be able to do with the average trainer to 10 years ago. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't need to do that for me. I can get all this online. Like I don't need any of that stuff. Well, look get all this online. Like, I don't need that stuff. Well, look how cool it is even being for us for even consuming knowledge and information.

Starting point is 01:22:28 I mean, just 15 years ago, when I was trying to learn, I was picking up certifications and reading textbooks, where I mean, you fast forward to now, it's so easy to, there's a lot of really good dudes on YouTube. There's a lot of really good dudes. Bro, I read a study the day after it's released now. Right. And I read it myself.

Starting point is 01:22:47 Whereas before, it would be an article about it that come out months later. They do it for a magazine subscription that dropped. And only if it fed into their narrative would they even publish it. Right. I mean, the ability to get information now is. So I think that's gonna be vastly different in that sense.

Starting point is 01:23:02 But trainers are still gonna be, you still gotta be a very good people. You need filters. I think something that drama set on our podcast is such an important thing, and I wish I remembered exactly what he gave as an analogy for each one, but it's just like the way the future is going

Starting point is 01:23:15 where business cards are dead, and now that's like your Instagram is now your business card, your email is your ability to advertise to you. All these pieces that are now, same stuff that was a hundred years ago, it was just a different means of getting that information. Well, for sure now, to a successful trainer, for sure needs to have a decent understanding

Starting point is 01:23:36 of social media. That was, that's very different from when I was training people even five years ago, six years ago, wasn't that big of a deal, but today, you know, it'd be like a trainer 10, 15 years ago who didn't have a business card. What are you doing without a business card? Well, where I think it's tough

Starting point is 01:23:52 is if you're a trainer that's working inside of a facility and maybe you think that you're gonna stay, that's what happens. That's the thing, yeah. You're in a little bubble and you think you don't need to. Yeah. No, man, start setting it up now because you're gonna need it.

Starting point is 01:24:02 Right, I agree. And maybe they'll come up with hologram trainers. Did you guys see it? Who put the car that has the hologram in it already? Do you see that? You didn't see that? So you know how like where Tesla has the computer screener. It's all hologram and you can like literally,

Starting point is 01:24:18 it's like all the icons are floating and you can just take your finger like this. And it's, oh, it looks dope. That's totally a thing that a guy would want his car to show off to a chick. It's like, hello, yeah. What kind of car do you drive? It's not that big of a deal.

Starting point is 01:24:30 Brrr. Yeah. I know we do. Oh, no big deal. Go ahead and stick your hand in it. Yeah, it dances sometimes. Yeah. All right, next question is from Claire DeLune 555.

Starting point is 01:24:42 What are your thoughts on necessary nutrition for children and the best way to teach them about eating healthy, especially when eating away from home, growing up my mom rarely bought junk food and I would stuff myself with potato chips at friends houses. Yeah, yeah. So there's a couple things you have to consider when you're dealing with your kids. First and foremost, consider the context that they exist within currently and what it's probably going to continue to look like as they get older. That context is modern, Western society.

Starting point is 01:25:16 Now, if we look at modern, Western society, currently our best guess of what is probably going to be the thing that they have to overcome or the thing that they're gonna have challenges with has to do with their health and it has to do with chronic illness and it has to do with nutrition. So this is the biggest, so if we went back a thousand years, the context was I better teach my kid I had a hunt and get food because otherwise they're not gonna know the skill and they're gonna starve. Today, it's I better teach my kid good food relationships, had a hunt and get food because otherwise they're not going to know the skill and they're going to starve. Today, it's, I better teach my kid good food relationships, had a navigate food, and how to not over consume, and how to not eat these particular types of foods because otherwise, they're going to run a very high risk of getting diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity,

Starting point is 01:25:59 like all these different problems. So, that, so, and I'm saying that because I want parents to understand that teaching your kids how to navigate nutrition is one of the most important things you could do as a parent. Yeah. And I'm not saying that because I think that's the most important thing. Period. Just because in the lifestyle that we live today, that is becoming one of the most important things. It is all I just don't tell them because I told you so or this is gonna make you think. Yeah well that's the thing. It's like there has to be a lot of education With that so it's not just like you're demonizing certain foods and it's it's you like super restrictive

Starting point is 01:26:32 You know like we're just eating clean and in this house We only eat this and that because then you know that never we will happen They'll go to their friend's house and they'll see cake and they'll see nothing in a chip and they'll go crazy I think why this is really challenging is because some people, you know, they don't think it's important. Well, not so much that. I think they'll argue it. If you're listening, if you're listening to Arshol,

Starting point is 01:26:54 I think you're the type of person who understands the import. That's why you ask this question. You understand the importance of it. You respect the information that you hear from these three knuckleheads, but then you can't maybe distill it as well to your child. That's tough to do. You know, it's already tough to regurgitate the information that you're learning, right? That you didn't know that much about until you heard it. And now you got to turn around and teach it to a child.

Starting point is 01:27:17 That's tough to do. So what I would, what I would argue is a lot of times some parents, and don't get me wrong back up. And I think a lot of parents will be fucking it up. But I think there's a lot of parents that are starting to understand like a lot of times some parents, and don't get me wrong, back up, and I think a lot of parents will be fucking it up. But I think there's a lot of parents that are starting to understand, like a lot of these foods are not good, I probably should be letting my kids stuff his face with it, but they don't know the process to get it. So here my thought process. So first, the first thing is, and I bet money you guys will agree with me on this, the

Starting point is 01:27:43 most effective way to teach your child anything is to be it by example, by far nothing is more effective than example. At all, say whatever the fuck you want to your kid, if you do the opposite, which one are they gonna listen to? They're gonna listen to what you do, not what you say. So that's number one. Number two, when people truly understand and comprehend the importance of something

Starting point is 01:28:04 on a real level. Their behavior fundamentally changes. Period. So if I firmly believe, if I'm somebody that truly believes in conserving energy and in keeping the earth clean, if I'm someone who honestly believes it, I don't just pay lip service, like, yeah, I believe in conservation. I believe, if I really believe it, you'll know when you go to my house. You'll know by how I operate my life,

Starting point is 01:28:28 how I drive or how I take public transportation or what I do with waste or, you know, the way I live will reflect that and show what I actually truly value, not what I pretend to value, you know, to everybody else. All right. So when it comes to nutrition, a lot of parents pretend to value nutrition.

Starting point is 01:28:45 They pretend like, oh yeah, no, my kids, yeah, I'm very serious about their health and nutrition. I'm very serious about how they eat. This is very important. But then you go to their house and you see how the parents feed themselves. And that tells you that they're full of shit. The truth is, if you truly understand the importance of it, you yourself will live it for yourself. And that by far, nothing else is a better teacher for your child. Now as far as your kids going to other houses, here's what I have experience. What I've experienced with kids who live in a house that just understands and values and prioritizes health on a real level, not because of aesthetics or not because you know, don't get fat.

Starting point is 01:29:23 And I'm not talking about the negative. I'm talking about true, like, health and wellness and the understand it. What happens to these kids when they go to other kids' houses? Is they either A, learn their lesson because they seek sweets, they over-consuming, they get sick, and then they're like, this doesn't feel good. Or B, here's what my kids do.

Starting point is 01:29:39 When we go to a party and my kids are like, you know, it's a birthday party and they look at me like, can I have a soda? And I'd be like, yeah, you can have a soda. I don't fucking I have a soda? And I'd be like, yeah, you can have a soda. I don't fucking restrict by the way. I'll be like, yeah, you can have a soda. They'll drink a quarter of the soda and they'll put it down. They don't want anymore.

Starting point is 01:29:53 This happened. This is very common with kids who live this way. They have these like natural limiters and governors in their body because they normally don't eat that way. And as an adult, you know, who's practiced fasting the past and I've experienced that too. If I really, really, really, really, really, you know, good and I feed my body properly or whatever, it's all I don't know. I don't, I don't consume or over consume as much as I would. Yeah, and so tough though, those, I mean, fucking lays chips for designs so you can't just eat

Starting point is 01:30:19 one. For sure. You know, I'm saying like, so you be able to eat more of them if you ate them every day. Oh, yeah. I agree. It's just a year. You've trained yourself to already crave them and want them and then you do them But I think even even without that even the first time you've been into a lays chip who didn't like that? Yep, who didn't like that? There's the time challenge that yeah, yeah, of course, you know I'm saying like I mean you could be a kid that was doing all good and then all said you get your hands on that

Starting point is 01:30:41 Just so here's a couple things that I think things that I think where the real thing is, is the conversation, and this is just again, how on top of your game, or you as your parent, you have this awareness now because you did that as a child. So now you're thinking as a kid, this could be happening to my kid, pay attention, they might get a stomach ache the next day, they might be grumpy the next day. Yes, help them connect that to how they feel.

Starting point is 01:31:04 And because more than likely, the body will show, especially that small of a person, that young of an age, and introducing that fucking garbage that early, their body will tell you something. They won't just run through it. They'll act there. You see, you tell, you guys bring the simple time about sugar. Oh, I don't even have kids. Oh, dude. And I've seen it before. Let me tell you some. The behavior completely changes. The sugar crash in a child is, it's actually, if you really look at, so what happened, what's the stereotype of a sugar crash in a kid,, it's actually, if you really look at, so what's the stereotype of a sugar crash in a kid, right?

Starting point is 01:31:28 What do you see, Justin? They get cranky. They get what they want to cry. Yeah, all over the place. Irritable, like scatterbrain, right? Now think of the state of mind, because your little kids are great in the sense that they just act out what they feel. They don't, they're not as aware as adults are.

Starting point is 01:31:46 Socially, they're just developing that. They're just, yeah, so as an adult, if I feel cranky and I'm around a bunch of people, I might just be quiet, because I'm like, I'm feeling kind of cranky. A little kid's is gonna cry and scream and whatever. He's become irrational. Bro, think of the state of emotional being in mind

Starting point is 01:32:00 that your kid is in when they feel that way. You're fucking doing that to your kid. When you feed him shitty and they get all cranked, you're giving these temporary periods of anxiety and depression essentially is what's happening. That's kind of fucked up right, if you think about it. No, it's crazy. Here's a couple of things that I do.

Starting point is 01:32:16 First off, I'm very obviously, it's pretty easy to communicate that. You don't tell your kid, don't eat this because you'll get fat or eat this, otherwise you're gonna be you know skin You're whatever stupid. That's just stupid. Here's the one most people do that by the way They do do I have been around and seen that multiple times you want to have a kid develop a Eating disorder that's one of the hardest ones for me to not like jump in and say something

Starting point is 01:32:38 Oh, that's how I don't even have kids I imagine you guys have kids you probably get even more defensive. That's how they develop eating disorders. But here's the less obvious one that is actually almost as important. It's how you talk about yourself. So if you're a mom and you have a daughter and you're very aware of like you wanna make sure your daughter doesn't develop body image issues,

Starting point is 01:32:59 you wanna make sure she doesn't have eating disorders, but you constantly say, you know, you look at the mirror and be like, oh my God, I look fat today, or oh my God, I gained weight, or I feel bloated, or I don't look pretty today. You keep talking about yourself that way, your child. They're gonna mirror that.

Starting point is 01:33:12 They mirror that, and they learn it quite a bit. And they learn it because they see what you value, and your kids just want to be what you value. So if you communicate to your kid inadvertently that you value skinny and pretty and you know that kind of stuff, then they're going to want to be that to try it because they think now that you value that and that can create problems. So talk about yourself in a way that you would talk to your own kid. So don't say shit negative shit

Starting point is 01:33:38 about yourself in that kind of a way. You can be objective and be like, wow, I made a bad decision yesterday or I don't feel good or you know what that was. I should have done this. This would have been smarter. That's okay. But don't and be like, wow, I made a bad decision yesterday or I don't feel good or you know what, that was, I should have done this, this would have been smarter. That's okay, but don't say things like, oh, I'm fat or I don't, you know, they'll turn us, that's a big one. The other one too is, you know, when I say like, it's just the way it is, like, here's an example. My house, this is something we implemented months ago and it's been one of the best things we ever did. And this is Kudos to my girlfriend. This was actually her her idea and it was actually quite brilliant. When we serve dinner at the dinner table, it comes in courses and it starts with vegetables.

Starting point is 01:34:15 And so it goes vegetables first, then it goes proteins and fats. And then if they're going to have starches that night, which they do, I'd say 80% of the time, I'll provide them with a starch, 20% of time time it'll be maybe some fruit, then the starch follows. They don't move to the next level until they eat at least some of the first level. And I'm realistic, so I know, okay, my daughter's probably not going to like this vegetable dish. Okay, so I'm going to put a little bit on her plate. And she'll be like, oh, can I have the meat?

Starting point is 01:34:43 Oh, but like as soon as you finish that, then I'll give you the meat. And it was like one or two days of like a little bit of battling. And now it's just, this is how we eat. They know they're gonna eat this first and move on the next thing. And it's no longer this discussion. It's just how we eat.

Starting point is 01:34:56 And what's also starting to happen now is they're starting to crave vegetables. And they know it's dinner ready and we'll be like, oh, it's almost done. Now, are the vegetables ready? Can I, I wanna eat those now? And it's like, how they challenge you guys and ask you why we're doing this. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:08 Absolutely. Why do we eat this way? And I say, well, we eat the foods in order of importance in terms of our health. So vegetables are most important. So we want to make sure we eat those first. It's also good for digestion. It's going to get your, it makes the food move through you better, helps you absorb things better.

Starting point is 01:35:24 Well, why do we, the meat next? Well, meats typically contain the essential, and I, you know, here's a thing, like don't underestimate your kids' ability to understand things. Sometimes we talk to the little kids like they're fucking babies all the time, we do baby talk.

Starting point is 01:35:37 So I'll say meat has the essential macro nutrients that you need, and then I'll say, let me explain to you what those are. So I'll say there's three things that come in food. Proteins, fats, and carbohydrates, but only two of them, you have to eat, otherwise you won't survive. One of them, you don't have to eat. Like if you never ate carbohydrates, you would still survive.

Starting point is 01:35:57 That might not be ideal, but you won't survive. But two of them, you have to eat or you won't survive, and meat contains both of those, and that's why that's next. And then the last thing is the non-essential thing that we need, but that can also be important, because it can provide us with energy and this and that, which is our starches. And so they, oh, okay, that makes sense.

Starting point is 01:36:13 And it's done. And it's done, and I haven't had any like issues at the, because what would happen is if I started with like, most dinner tables will start with the starch, and then they'll move to the meat, and then they move to the, by the time you get to the vegetables, you're gonna move to the meat and then they move to the meat. By the time he gets the vegetables, you're gonna have to fucking fight with your kids.

Starting point is 01:36:28 And that's not a situation you win, even if you win, you don't win. Yeah, if you have it all in one plate, it's just like gonna sit there and they're gonna stare at it until it gets cold and then it's like this battle to try and get that out. No, I like that a lot. I have actually done something somewhat similar,

Starting point is 01:36:44 but definitely highlighting the importance of what meat does for you and why you only have two essential macronutrients. I have had that same conversation even with the four and five year old and eight year old. It's like they get it. It's so great. My daughter went to the dentist the other day and she had a couple Look like cavities are starting to develop so they did something put some sealants and my daughter by the way like is a is a A grain fanatic any grain rice Wheat like whatever I partially blame. I'm not gonna put the blame on anybody It's you know I mean my culture bread and pasta are such staples and it's the first fucking thing you feed kids

Starting point is 01:37:25 And so she just ate those early on along with other things too, but that's what she and obviously those foods are Pleasure-bould to eat anyway, so she's super addicted to them and she's getting some cavities So she got some cavities and she's asked me she goes how come you know How come my brother doesn't have as many cavities as I do and you know do you have cavities as well? I actually have never had a cavity. She's like, what? Why do I get a cavity? So I explain the microbiome of the mouth. I explain how certain foods can affect that.

Starting point is 01:37:52 And I explain how grains and sugars in particular create an environment in your mouth where bacteria lives and then attacks your teeth. And I'm just being totally honest. I'm like, you know, so maybe you're getting more cavities because the microbiome in your mouth is promoting this bacteria that she's like, well, how do I change that? I said, well, it's complicated.

Starting point is 01:38:12 Because again, I'm being honest with her. I said, but something you can try is try to avoid eating a lot of grains. Well, what are grains? You know, cereal, maybe pasta, as I said, try to avoid eating as many sugars in particular to like if you want to eat candy and stuff like that, that tends to give cavity. She's like, okay, and I noticed very subtle changes in how she started eating because she's understanding the consequence of the

Starting point is 01:38:36 cavity. It's crazy. It's pretty awesome. Most smart kids will, if you say something that they they don't understand, they'll say, what do you mean, Papa? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll probably say that right back to you if she doesn't understand something like that. She's engaged. I love Katrina used to when I when I first started dating her Nathaniel was only five years old and he's a really intelligent kid and She'd always asked me like the conversations you have with him are so weird She's like I'm like I love to sit down with a young mind like that and see just how smart they are and digging into them, digging, why did you say that to me? Where did you learn that?

Starting point is 01:39:09 And just keep at making them think and process. You'd be surprised how fucking smart kids are when you take the time to do that. You ever have a straight up conversation with one of your kids, like just a conversation? Yeah, it's weird. It's so funny, right? Yeah, it feels really weird.

Starting point is 01:39:24 But yeah, I have had a few of those conversations where you're talking to them like you're just talking to another adult You kind of get lost in it and you realize you know like they stay on course for a lot longer than I would have anticipated Dude, I think if you guys take do a good good job of doing that what you guys do you guys do I Think that's gonna pay off so much when they are teenagers because when shit does get hard, because you're there used to communicating to their father, it's going to be that much easier for them to open up and share what they're going to have to be honest by the way. We all want to understand things, you know, I'm like, why not start early? Like really give them a deep understanding of why not you five to seven is the most formative time for that brain and you have to be if you ever want to treat

Starting point is 01:40:08 those train those habits that's when you have to be so honest like don't demonize like like I had a drug conversation with my 12 year old for Santa Claus. Yeah exactly. We talked about drugs, you know, my son's 12 and I figured well it's a good time to talk to him about drugs. You probably will be exposed to them within the next five years at some point, right? In high school, at some point he's going to come across him or at least hear people talking him if it's not already happening. So I had this drug conversation with him and I was fucking honest. When anybody, when an adult talked to me about drugs when I was a kid, it was like, they're

Starting point is 01:40:39 evil, they're terrible, they'll make you crazy. You'll lose your mind. And I remember thinking, I believed it, like, oh, that's so true. How do you know what I'm going to do that? And then thinking like, I believed it, like, oh, that's so true. How would he do that? And then you get older and then you just like experiment because you're gonna fucking experiment and you drink a little alcohol and you're like, I like the way this feels.

Starting point is 01:40:52 Yeah, I was nothing like that. What do you mean? So I honest, so I was very honest and I told them, I said, you know, he's like, why do people do these drugs? I'm like, because they feel good. The people like the way they feel. So let's be honest on both sides and then he said,

Starting point is 01:41:04 well, what they're bad to is, oh, absolutely, I said, they can be very bad for your body if they're used inappropriately. Many of the illegal ones, there really aren't a lot of proper uses. I said, however, and I talked about how heroin is a pain killer, how cocaine would use to numb things, how marijuana. And we went, but just be totally honest,

Starting point is 01:41:20 and do the same thing with food. Like don't demonize food. Like this is evil, don't eat it. I'll be like, well, it tastes really good. Like they designed this to taste really, really good and sometimes that's fun and that's okay, but here's why most of the time it isn't. And just be honest, because once you,

Starting point is 01:41:34 if your kids start to think that, oh shit, my dad's full of shit, on these types of things, they start to throw it all out, you know, what the, what they call baby with the bathwater. And so radical honesty, you know, Justin? That's it, man. Coming in hot. Next question is from Jackie Martinez, 1983.

Starting point is 01:41:48 Jackie, Jackie. It's our friend Jackie. It's our girl. How do you guys weigh out huge decisions? What advice would you give someone facing a huge life decision? Your arm wrestle. Hey. So she has a major decision in the next couple of days

Starting point is 01:42:04 regarding her living situation. So. Well, what I do is I take a massive dose of Ayahuasca and I ride the dragon. That's my go to. That's my go to. Is that what you learned it on it? Do you? Do you, you, you listened to Ayah?

Starting point is 01:42:19 What do they call it? Yeah. Mother Ayah. Yeah, mother Ayah. She tells you what to do. It's very really. That's your own. Yeah, exactly. You know, I read something relatively recently, or the past couple of years, that I thought was absolutely brilliant.

Starting point is 01:42:33 And that, and it was really, it's one of those brilliant things that I've put into practice and I actually started working. So one of the, so there's studies that have been done on people to show that when people encounter a decision, typically their gut reaction will more often than not be the right decision. This is true with test taking. So when people take tests,

Starting point is 01:42:53 and then they find questions. Always go to your first answer. And they don't, like it's like a majority of the time, not all the time, but a majority of the time that's a better answer. And I've seen the stats on it. It's like 60 or 70% of the time more. It's like your first initial. It is. Initial guess is right. It is 60 or 70% of the time more. It's like your first initial.

Starting point is 01:43:05 It is. Initial guess is right. It is. And your gut, I mean, they talk about being your gut reaction. Your gut is the second highest concentration of serotonin receptors in the body. It's where you produce most of your serotonin. Your heart is your third.

Starting point is 01:43:17 So a lot of people say go with your heart. Well, that saying actually has some interesting, you know, relevance because you do have the third, like I said, the third highest concentration of serotonin receptors are in the heart. So essentially, you feel things in those areas because of information that's been processed. Now it doesn't mean you're consciously aware of them like you are because you don't have a frontal lobe in your stomach, but it does mean that you're kind of feeling what you're thinking and it's based off of information you've accumulated. It's not a guess. That's my point. My point is a gut feeling is not a guess. It's actually a decision

Starting point is 01:43:51 or a direction of decision based on an available information that you've already stored in your body. That's why it's more often than not. Correct. Now the problem is when you encounter a tough decision is indecisiveness. What do I do? Second guessing. So I was reading this article with a guy was saying, get used to making decisions. And the way you start is by with small decisions. When you encounter a small decisions like you're talking to someone like, hey guys, what do you want to eat? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:44:16 Just make a decision. All right, we're going to be barbecue. Let's go. Start with small decisions and then you start to become more confident with making decisions. And then when the big ones pop up, should I leave my job and do this or not? Like, you know, like, I'm gonna do it.

Starting point is 01:44:28 And when I was reading this article, I was thinking about it. I was like, wow, okay, I can really see how there's some truth to that, but it still feels scary. So I started to think about the people that I know, who I've met through MindPump, who are very successful, who obviously seem to have made a lot of fucking good decisions or at least ended up right and they all seem to be fast decision-makers Yeah, the one person who comes to mind was a Sina what's the name Joe Dessina? Yeah, Joe Dessina from Spartan

Starting point is 01:44:56 Meet us and within 15 minutes. I want you guys podcasting at the next He leads right with his instinct. Yeah, and it's like, and the dude's obviously made a lot of, like he's fucking kicked ass entire time. And a lot of people I've met who are real successful tend to be that way. They're like, you know, I'm making that decision. Well, they've honed in on that decision-making process. And then even Beidro's, when we interviewed him,

Starting point is 01:45:16 he brought this up as part of the process of like really trying to refine, you know, being better at that. Like, I need to make all these little micro decisions constantly and I need to get better at doing it, you know, being better at that. Like I need to make all these little micro decisions constantly and I need to get better at doing it, you know, at a more rapid pace and being comfortable with it. So you can get the ones that like maybe I made the wrong decision there, you can get them out of the way and then you can correct that and sort of make

Starting point is 01:45:39 micro tweaks as you go forward. But yeah, the big ones are tough. You definitely have to consider all that feedback that you're going through. The instinctual, just feeling towards that direction versus the other direction, was that feel like? And then start to kind of play out like in your mind what that looks like.

Starting point is 01:45:59 And just go for it. Make that decision and stick with it. I think that, I think it's important to think desired outcome. Like, if I'm about to make a huge decision, like let's say a career shift and this reminds me of what happened with Katrina, like, God, this was four years ago, about four years, four years ago, in our relationship. And we had just came off of a year of like not having to work.

Starting point is 01:46:22 Like her and I for like a year didn't work and we traveled just had fun and just really enjoyed each other. At the time we were just and I were working together and we were working on level up and stuff and my pump hadn't started yet. And Katrina was talking about going back to work and we talk about it all the time and I'm like, what do you want to do? Do you want to do this? She goes, I've never put myself and use my degree to get myself into a job. I've always done entrepreneurial stuff. Like

Starting point is 01:46:48 she worked with her mom, the business, things like that. She's like, I've never really gone out and used my degree. So let's, let's find a job that requires that. And honestly, my desired outcome is that I just want to fucking make a lot of money right now. And I want to put some money away. I want to save. I want to get the house. Like, so that was like her mindset going into that. So that was before even looking for jobs or making a decision like that. She really now you know, this is my goal. Right. Yeah. So that's, I mean, this is how this girl lands in fucking concrete. I was saying like, Katrina didn't know anything about concrete. It is now overseeing, you know, multi-multimillion

Starting point is 01:47:21 dollar projects and making a lot of money doing that. Like, she didn't know anything about that. That wasn't desired outcome. I didn't need to do something that was fulfilling and passionate. It made me this, but it did it challenged her in a way. She had to learn so much and grow, like, and she's now on the executive team for this company. But I think that when you think, like, okay, I'm about to switch over this job. Like, I think a lot of times people don't really know why they're doing that. Sometimes they're just, they think they can get, like, I remember I'm about to switch over this job. Like I think a lot of times people don't really know why they're doing that. Sometimes they think they can get,

Starting point is 01:47:48 like I remember I dated this girl too, who I remember looking at her resume one time was helping her out, and I'm going through, and I'm like, I don't think we should list all this. And she's like, why, I worked for all these, I was like, well, because she was like, no loyalty. It looks like you, well, they paid me more.

Starting point is 01:48:03 And then they paid me more. And they paid me, and it's like, yeah, you just, so you just keep, what, so it's all about making just a dollar or more. So what do you don't enjoy your job? I'd rather make $2 less if, you know, I like my environment or it fulfills me in different ways. So not really understanding their desired outcome.

Starting point is 01:48:17 So, you know, if you're going into make a decision, you might be taking a risk where you're, you might not make a lot of money. So, but that's okay. Maybe what, this is a career change for me, you might be taking a risk where you're, you might not make a lot of money. So, but that's okay, maybe what, this is a career change for me. Maybe like when I switched over to marijuana from cannabis, I had no desire to be from the gym. Yeah, from the gym, would I say?

Starting point is 01:48:35 From marijuana from cannabis. Oh yeah, so I'm sorry. I used to be in the marijuana industry. Now working, then I got sophisticated. Yeah. Yeah. Nice catch, it was weed and then it was cannabis. They got you to my story, but yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:49 Yeah, so I remember that was at that point in my life. I love the job I did. I had 401K. I had benefits. I was making good money. I used to say that the only way you could get me to leave here is if you paid me at least double what I was. Because I'd have clients always offer me these jobs

Starting point is 01:49:05 that were a little bit more money than what I was, but I was like, I like what I do. I love what I do. Like I don't want to leave that for just, it's not enough, but I do remember someone sliding a piece of paper over to me and going, like this is how much you're gonna make in your first year, and it was significantly higher than anything

Starting point is 01:49:18 I had ever even thought of yet at that time. And so they became a no-brainer for me. It was an outcome, was okay, that's important. Yeah, and the way my thought process behind it was like, even if I hate this job, what do I, if I put my head down, be good at it, get, and do it, put enough money away, then it's gonna set me up for other future potential things I could do.

Starting point is 01:49:38 So desired outcome going into that situation to me and really truly understanding what your desired outcome is. And then, Sal, you've said this before, and I think this is exactly how my brain works is. Then I think the desired outcome, then I think, okay, what's the worst, absolute worst possible outcome that could happen? Sure, I switch over, it's fucking miserable.

Starting point is 01:49:57 I have a boss who just is I hate working for, all those things could potentially happen, right? So can I make myself be okay with I just left this career, this thing to do this? And if you're like okay, yeah, I could handle that. I could bear that because at worst case scenario, I'll just get out in a year.

Starting point is 01:50:14 And go back to the final. I like that you almost make a list and you're sort of weighing it all out more measured. Because I know like some people can interpret feedback, you know, like it, and it's fear. It's something like more, it's more like, they're listening to all these options and a lot of times fear will deter them

Starting point is 01:50:33 from actually making the right decision. Right, right. And so I think what you guys were saying, I think, and this is where I think right now, and we're at, like, but I think you have to develop this skill to go in quick decisions. Quick decisions, yeah. That's extremely, that's extremely important to be able to go like this. Boom. Let's do this. I need to do this. And, and but you have to learn to get comfortable with

Starting point is 01:50:53 failing. Right. So I, I just talked about this other day about how, you know, I got really okay with these fast decisions because I also got really okay with figuring out my desired outcome, figuring out the worst case scenario, accepting that that could be the possibility doing it. There it is. That's okay. Boom, we're going. Boom, we're going.

Starting point is 01:51:12 And you have to, you know, when it comes to being okay with failing, it's like it's really more, really you have to understand this. Regardless of the decisions you make, failures and challenges are going to hit you. So you're kind of guaranteed that those challenges and failures are gonna hit you no matter what. So you gotta ask yourself, how do I reduce the amount of times that I end up in a really, really bad situation, which doesn't have to be just financial.

Starting point is 01:51:36 It can be an emotional situation. You can have a high-paying job and be fucking miserable. I've had so many clients who made a shit-tunny money in tech and hated their lives. We're terrible healthers, result of it and destroyed their lives. I know lots of people like that. So you have to ask yourself which direction is going to increase my growth and get me where I want to go faster. And that's typically the faster the decisions where you feel them. Like, you know what, I'm going to go and I I'm gonna do that. And it's usually the ones that have meaning for you.

Starting point is 01:52:05 But I do think we are, there's a little bit of a bias because we're all entrepreneurs. And I think entrepreneurs naturally do that. Or at least they value that ability, that autonomy. 100% that's why I had to wait for you guys to say, well, this is where I don't think a lot of people are at that level. To make it just this decision quick, follow your gut.

Starting point is 01:52:24 That's something that we've trained that skill. I think you need to learn to understand desired outcome first. You need to know what the fuck, why you even want to make that move and then be at rest with the worst possible outcome and the best possible outcome. And once you get that understanding, then I think you can start to harness this ability to like boom, boom, boom. Yeah. I think if you move forward with integrity,

Starting point is 01:52:47 so your goal is always to be a better person. So integrity and, excuse me, integrity and competence. So I'm gonna try and be an honest, good person, or at least better than I was yesterday. And I'm gonna try and become a better person in terms of my knowledge every single day, which improves your competency, and you're a hard-working person,

Starting point is 01:53:05 because you can't be lazy, right? If you have those three things, and then you base your decisions off of those, much more often than not, the decisions you're gonna make are gonna progress you forward. You see what I'm saying? You're just gonna play the odds,

Starting point is 01:53:16 and the odds are, if you're honest, and you're learning more every day, and you work hard, you're probably generally gonna trend towards a better outcome. Even if in between those, you're going to have some valleys where you're going to drop a little bit, where you boost back up. I mean, my pump is for us, I know is the accumulation of all the shit we did in the past, and all led here.

Starting point is 01:53:39 And it didn't seem like it's all connected till you look backwards and go, oh, yeah, I wouldn't be here, had it not been for all these other decisions I made. And I can honestly say this is the best position I've been in, career-wise, and it's not pay. I made more money managing health clubs. This is better because this is much more fulfilling and meaningful and at the potential. I also wanna make the point too

Starting point is 01:54:01 that what I started to put together early on was the scarier it was and the risk here It was the greater the reward and the greater the fulfillment always and greater the fulfillment came from it So when when if it's scary and it seems difficult and you don't want to do it It's like those are the those are the ones that are fucking the easy decisions Yeah, there's no there's a lot of the real rides right right and that's so when you when you get that feeling Oh, man, it reminds me the butterfly feeling of playing sports. I mean, it's just I Excites me I get excited when I get that feeling inside like I was like, ooh, this is challenge Arnold Schwarzenegger

Starting point is 01:54:35 Work growth come short. So I had a quote once was so awesome I'm I don't I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like I love it when people tell me That something's never been done before. Oh, yeah. Because then I realized that I can be the first one. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:50 You know, I'm saying like, oh, no one's ever done that before. And people are like, oh, you know what, you're right. I shouldn't even try. Whereas his mentality is, nobody's ever done that. Fuck yeah, I want to be the first one. First market. How awesome is that mentality right there? That motivation is bullshit.

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