Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 731: Tracking Food Intake Without Creating an Eating Disorder, Tools for Combatting Negativity & Anxiety, the Popularity of Entrepreneurship & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:42 Great fine by Justin there. We talk about China's social credit system to be implemented in 2020. Black mirrors here. Scary. It's playing out. We talk about low calorie sweeteners and metabolic damage.

Starting point is 00:00:54 New study just came out. We talk about Justin's St. Patrick's Weekend or basically what he remembers from that week. Hey, TTI. And we talk about my religious adventure again. You're so enlightened, isn't it? We also, we mentioned in this episode, our sponsor, Organify, they're the makers of organic,

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Starting point is 00:02:11 The second question. In one of our episodes, we talk about tracking. How do we recommend people learn how to track without it becoming an eating disorder? Does tracking lead to an eating disorder, or is it just a tool that can make an eating disorder worse? Find out in this episode. The next question was, do we think that entrepreneurship is just becoming the cool thing now, like everybody just wants to do it?

Starting point is 00:02:36 Or is it something that's good? I'm in Antapena. And the final question, how do we all meet our significant others? I hope we all get it right, by the way. I know our girls are gonna listen to this. If we mess up any details, we're fucked. But they get the whole sentiment, right? The love. Also, this month, listen, this is like our best promotion ever.

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Starting point is 00:04:31 198 123 all of you are winners and the name I just read to iTunes at mine pump media comms and your shirt size You're shipping address and we'll get that right out to you. I sound better. Don't I? You still some kind of shitty. I sound shitty-ish't I? You're still some kind of shitty. I sound shitty-ish. I wasn't, I'm not as bad as I was. It's funny when I get sick, it attacks my strength. Shitty, shitty bang bang. It's my voice.

Starting point is 00:04:56 It's funny, I got a message from a fan, they're like, you always talk about listening to your body and not pushing it too hard, but then I heard you on the podcast and you sound terrible because you're sick and you're not taking it. Boom, gotcha, motherfucker. You're not listening to your advice. You know, let me tell you something about podcasting.

Starting point is 00:05:16 I'm not breaking rocks. You know what I'm saying? Literally the easiest job with everything. Yeah, one of the coolest things about podcasting is I can sit on this couch and talk. Yeah, so unless I'm dead or literally dying, like I can still podcast. In fact, if I'm on a hospital bed and some shit went down, like, you guys find me. Even if you can't talk, I'm gonna hook you up to one of those, you know, Steven Hawking and the computers and the Golden Girls of fitness, like in the next like 40 years.

Starting point is 00:05:44 Is that what the Golden Girls of Fitness, like in the next like 40 years? Is that what we're gonna be? The Golden Girls, yeah. I'm not gonna. Is this it? What do they mean? This is one of them Blair. I don't remember their names. I'm going to die.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I'm going to die. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna die. I'm the histie one. I thought about this like, because I think about weird shit like this, like if something happened and I was terminal, I'm in the hospital and I'm like hooked up to machines. For sure, you guys would bring the mobile mics over to me and I'd put it on and just talk about.

Starting point is 00:06:07 Totally. Talk about, you know. Speculate. Farts and fitness. Maybe one of the only jobs that you could do that with, right? That's what I'm saying. So I'm not pushing my body because I'm talking. Okay, I'm not that fucking sick.

Starting point is 00:06:20 Jesus. Although I will say that I remember when we just did, it was I think two LA trips ago when we did that one We did like 12 or 13 podcasts and two and a half days. Yeah, that's different. Oh, yeah I can't remember the last time that I felt that Exhausted from not doing something literally physically. We sat down and we're just plugged in the That's different though right because it's a we were we're going from podcasts to podcast in between them We're stuck in LA traffic so. That's different though, right? Cause we were going from podcasts to podcasts in between them, we're stuck in LA traffic.

Starting point is 00:06:47 So it's like an hour in between them. Then when you're on a podcast, you're in a lint. You wanna be your best, you know, you put up your best energy. So you're doing five in a day of doing all that. Then yeah, it does get tiring. Yeah, that was totally different. Yeah, that was a different type of a job.

Starting point is 00:07:02 But running us doing like one, eight, so that's a bad. Dude, you know what I did this weekend? What? So me and Jessica were watching TV and... Besides the layaround and be sick. Yeah, besides do that, we were watching TV and I was on Netflix, she falls asleep. So I'm like, oh, what do I want to watch on Netflix?

Starting point is 00:07:21 You know, she's sleeping, so what am I gonna... You know what I hadn't seen in like two years, pumping iron. It's been two years. It's the longest you've got. I feel like you always watch that. So it's been two years since I've watched pumping iron, like fully from beginning to end, but this time, and it may be because I was a little under the influence,

Starting point is 00:07:38 let's just, you know, maybe that's why I had this thought. I never watched pumping iron, you know, high or whatever, Medicaid. Yeah, I never watched it that way. So I'm watching it in this time watched Pumping Iron, you know, hi, or whatever, Medicaid. Yeah, I never watched it that way. So I'm watching it in this time, because I've seen it so many times, I could literally recite the, from beginning to end every word that said in that thing.

Starting point is 00:07:54 I know exactly what's gonna happen. Is this time I watched it, and I didn't watch the person, the main person in the screen, I watched the background. Oh yeah. So I watched all of pumping iron, but I didn't watch Arnold and Lou and Franco. I watched all the stuff that's happening in the background, and I paused it, and I got

Starting point is 00:08:15 to study Gold's Gym, 1975, during the era. That gym was shit. It was great for this time, but if you look at now, compare to now, what are they doing? Like, what are the exercises? First of all, it's a bunch of, like, it's, it's literally a dungeon. It's small. People don't realize, goals gym, Venice, compared to, to, to gyms nowadays. That was a fucking small gym. It was a little gym. They have these, they had benches, a bunch of benches, dumbbells. The barbells, like when you're doing bench press and stuff, you couldn't un-rack one side without the barbells, like when you're doing bench press and stuff, you couldn't un-rack one side

Starting point is 00:08:47 without the bar flipping over because the bars were close together. Because Joe Gold, well, the gold gem, mostly equipment in there was constructed by the dude that founded Gold's Gym. I think it's Joe Gold, if I'm not mistaken. And so he made a lot of equipment. So I'm studying the equipment in the background. I'm looking mistaken. And so he made a lot of equipment. So I'm studying the equipment

Starting point is 00:09:05 in the background. I'm looking at the cable machines. And then I'm seeing like dudes working out in speedos over here. This guy over there's, you know, got a shirt. It's like totally, these guys over here are barefoot. Like totally different environment. Chaos. Yeah, totally different environment from what we would have experienced. And you know how, and as I'm watching this, it was so niche back then. Yeah, there was, there was, I mean, you were different if you did that. So different. Yeah, you were. It was a weird world, but at the same time as I'm watching this,

Starting point is 00:09:34 I'm like, I wish I could go back in time and work out in that fucking gym, dude. Oh, you know what I mean, especially at that time, too, at that time, with all those guys, like, imagine just being barefoot in your gym right now, like someone with free calf. Well, it's all the liability. We'll do it there's scenes where like Arnold's doing reps and like four other people in the gym are counting for him. It's just a small group of dudes.

Starting point is 00:09:56 Go, go, go. And they probably see each other, you know, every day. Arnold was in there twice a day. So he was doing a double split routine. He was sitting each body part three days a week, two he was doing a double split routine. He was sitting each body part three days a week, two or three days a week, three days a week when he was getting close to contest. So yes, Arnold did do a body part split, but he did a lot of frequency too. So he was in there for probably one and a half to two hours twice a day.

Starting point is 00:10:19 So he's in there for three to four hours a day working out. These guys are just hanging out and then afterwards they go. They'll eat together, right out, these guys are just hanging out. And then afterwards they'd go, they'll eat together, right? They'd lay out on the beach. And do all that shit. It's crazy to me like when you think about that, like some of the things that I wonder if they like, naturally just did that, if that was stuff that they read

Starting point is 00:10:35 and they were actively trying to do that. What do you think? Well, you have to imagine, so I'm watching the front row. Because you're working out on the beach. It had to be a lot of it, had to be intuitive. I think so too. I feel like it was just kind of intuitive.

Starting point is 00:10:44 Well, so I'm watching Franco, the segment with Franco Colombo. So they're interviewing Franco Colombo, you know, that whole famous scene when he, you know, he's moving the car, he's lifting the car, and he's punching the punching bag, and all this sardinian, you know, people are watching him in amazement.

Starting point is 00:10:58 And he says this one line that I memorized when I was a kid, but I really understand the impact of it. And so he says, where I'm from, he says, people don't say go to hell. They say go to California. But it's not because California's hell, because California is like this magical place nobody ever goes.

Starting point is 00:11:15 So they say it as if like, oh, get out of here. Go to California. Yeah, yeah. Like if I said go to Mars, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. So I think what happened to a lot of these people is they traveled to California and it was like,

Starting point is 00:11:27 like think about Arnold Franco, they're both from Europe. You've got people from other parts of the country who went to this special place where you could see other bodybuilders because Loo, if you look at the gym that Loo worked out at, so that's the other thing. I'm watching this segment on Loo

Starting point is 00:11:43 and I'm looking at this gym. This gym was so fucking narrow that when he's working out, you can't pass, you can't move by it. It's like a big hallways with the Jim. Like, that's how small, because he's on the East Coast. Yeah. And he's the only bodybuilder. Like, if you looked at the guys in that gym, while he's working out, he was totally all alone. By himself. When he's working out, look at the guys in the background when he's working out. And they're all a bunch like nobody works out. It's a fucking cartoon character. Spectacle, everybody's just watching.

Starting point is 00:12:09 Yeah, so these guys go to Venice and it's like this, they call it the Mecca because that's where you can meet other, so I think they were just like, oh my God, it's sunny. It's beautiful. I get to hang out with bodybuilders and work out. Yeah. Let's go lay out by the beach. Fucking cool time.

Starting point is 00:12:24 I bet you a lot of them were poor too. I'm sure a lot of them didn't have much money. Well, dude, that's why it was so new. Like, nobody really knew. Like, remember all the cartoons, like, all the movies were kind of emerging around, like muscular, big muscular, like characters, cause it was like such a novelty back then.

Starting point is 00:12:40 Crazy. And when I was a kid, when I watched it, I remember thinking like, oh my god, these guys are so massive and muscular. But now I haven't watched it for two years. So it's like, when you separate yourself from something long enough and you watch it again, you kind of see it with new eyes a little bit. So, and I know what pro bodybuilders now look like. And I'm, you know, we're obviously in the industry. So I'm looking at them like, yeah, they were big. But Arnold was six foot and he would hit the stage at like 220-something, 230 maybe at his heaviest.

Starting point is 00:13:08 That's not that big compared, like Bodybuilder now, six foot bodybuilder will hit the stage of 300 pounds. Now we got Turtle Show eight packs. Exactly. Exactly. Very epic. So I'm looking at him like, oh, you know what, these guys are, they were big, but they're not nearly as big as the guys are now.

Starting point is 00:13:22 They're way more functional. Lou, if you listen to Lou when when he's walking towards his gym, and now Lou is a big guy, right? 64, 65, 275 off season. When he's walking, there's talking to his dad, and if you listen carefully, you can pick up on what he's saying. And he's like, oh, I think I'm gonna start running a mile every day, because it's really good for the legs.

Starting point is 00:13:40 Like a bodybuilder, you know what I mean? Because they weren't, they're not so, it wasn't so crazily, you know, grotesquely. Like it was still functional. Like they still, like, some extent, yeah. Some extent they still wanted to move, you know, yeah, with their muscles. Yeah, that's the thing. It became so isolated.

Starting point is 00:13:57 It was like, it's just about like building, you know, each individual part. It's just crazy. Did Arnold go for runs? I don't remember if I read that. Not Lana Lou. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's what I'm wondering go for runs? I don't remember if I read that. Not Arnold Lou. I know, I know, I know, I know. I'm wondering if Arnold. I don't know if he did, but the cardio wasn't necessarily

Starting point is 00:14:10 enough. I mean, I see, they all did dancing, right? They ballet. Ballet, I'll learn how to pose. That's posing though, right there. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, that's that that teaches you to pose. Which a lot, I mean, I feel like practicing men's physique

Starting point is 00:14:22 is like being in a ballet. I mean, that's what I felt like. I remember thinking like this is in pony. Right, I was like, this is physique is like being in a balance. I mean, that's what I felt like. I remember thinking like this is a pony ride. I was like, this is not for me right here, but in quarter turn. But I think a lot of people don't realize. I mean, you see it now on Instagram where people are showing this like flex, not flexed, like pictures and looks like so much of the way of physics are presented for magazines and photos and what we see in TV.

Starting point is 00:14:46 Like, I mean, aside from just lighting in all these other ways that you can manipulate it with filters, how you present it and how you pose is like is everything. But you know, the work ethic that the bodybuilders then had is just because back then it was training was still such a, it was still such a secret or like a big part of it. Whereas today, yeah, you have to work out if you're a bodybuilder, but nobody really, it's not about the programming or not about like, oh shit, try this out or whatever, it's all about the drugs. Back in the 70s, there still was, and they were pushing the limits of their body because

Starting point is 00:15:20 they were experimenting, trying different techniques. When you watch these workouts, that Arnold, especially that scene, where Arnold and Ed Corny are doing squats, and Ed Corny is just, he collapses after he does the squats, and Arnold just fucking steps over his lifeless body, and you know, re-racks the weight, but he's squatting with three plates, so it's not like super heavy,

Starting point is 00:15:39 but they're doing like, set after set, after set, of just all this volume. Fucking crazy, man, it was really cool to watch I'm just all this volume. Yeah. Fucking crazy, man. It was really cool to watch. It's a great movie, man. Dude, you got, what's the last time you guys watched? I haven't seen it a long time.

Starting point is 00:15:50 Watch it again. And watch it like that. I swear to God, it's so entertaining. I, well, I watch it almost every year or two. It's probably been about two for me too. I'm trying to think the last, I know for sure since we've had Mind Plum going, I've 100% at least watched it at least once or twice.

Starting point is 00:16:03 Oh. Because it's a classic. It's in my collection for sure. It was a VHS for sure. You know what's hilarious? Okay, so like one of the sole remaining blockbusters, just closed. Right now? There's a blockbuster store.

Starting point is 00:16:20 There was still open. Still, there's three. And one of them was up in like the North Pole yeah because there's no internet access yeah I did not know that there was super depressed this community super depressed like that they close I had no idea there was still blockbusters out I didn't know that he's crazy how does that even work if a company files for bankruptcy and they're done and they yet but they they still that must be like a French franchise owner, it was still just like keeping the lights on, I guess.

Starting point is 00:16:47 Holy shit. That's hilarious. They're like one in Texas, I think, and like two in the... I'll just pull it up right here. There's a handful of remaining blockbusters in the US, but they're moving closer to the edge of extinction. That is so funny. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:00 I thought for sure there was a stink. You know what I missed about Blockbuster? And, you know, which one did we go to? One hour, one hour drive up, it was called or something like that. And San Jose, you know what I miss about it is that you know when you're hanging out with your girl and you're like, Hey, what's like an event? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:15 Friday night. Look at them. Yeah, together. That was, I can vividly remember that posters and everything. Very normal date night, dude. Just it's Friday night. You go to blockbuster. You walk around the store for like 30 minutes looking at all the titles They're new releases by some ice cream on the way or yeah exactly some kind of shitty candy

Starting point is 00:17:33 It's like a big deal and then because you're there you're kind of committed like you're like well We got a lot of it's seen horror and while you're like in the horror section Yeah, I see like critters or something. Yeah, that makes sense. But you know, you're committed because you're there. Like, we gotta rent something. Let's go watch. Now and I'm on Netflix, there's so many fucking choices. Sometimes I don't watch anything.

Starting point is 00:17:52 So I'm like, eh, too many. Whatever. But if I had to drive somewhere, I think I'd probably pick something. Of course, you know what I'm saying? I think of that too, like from the hell standpoint, how important that, and I feel like there's so many things, examples of this that we start to eliminate

Starting point is 00:18:06 that process of getting in the car, that's the experience that you're communicating to, the person who you're about to watch it with, and you're walking around and you're talking, you're moving, you're burning calories, you're present with that person while you're doing that, we're with Netflix now, man, it's so easy to turn into just a zombie.

Starting point is 00:18:24 Oh, a zombie. I mean, even to the point where fucking Netflix is already suggested me what I know I'm already gonna like I'm playing the next episode before you never chance to get up. I have to stop it I just gonna get up the most amount of work is playing it and then stopping it and kids will never know the fucking anger of Seeing the movie that you want to rent like it just came out like terminator just like a box for it, but it's not inside. Yeah. Oh, fuck. That's just the display. What's going to happen?

Starting point is 00:18:53 What's going to happen when you know Netflix, Hulu, all these streaming places start putting out movies that rival our blockbuster movies that are in theater right now. Are we just going to stop going to theater? And it's all about the experience. I'm pretty sure it's already happening. Yeah. It's all about the experience. Like, you know how many theaters now

Starting point is 00:19:10 are changing their seats? So it's like a recliner and they're serving food and alcohol. You got it. You know, like here, it looks just like your house. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do that though.

Starting point is 00:19:22 But it's crazy, because you think they're putting all this money into to do that And then you see like Netflix for example where you can rent some of these movies for 399 or 599 or buy it for 999 It's really tough to justify going to the theater and spending a minimum of 20 dollars with it You know even though it's a great experience. I think my kid would be rad. Like, I just came up with this idea in my head. Right now. Just now. It's probably gonna be horrible.

Starting point is 00:19:49 Well, if it's a great idea, we have to edit it out. Yeah, so think about exclusivity. You know, you're talking about watching movies in your house. Like, what if, you know, there was some kind of, it was like pay-per-view, but it was like, only for like a specific window, like you could watch it. So it was like, everybody had to like, be at home to watch that movie for then, and then it was like pay-per-view, but it was only for a specific window. You could watch it. So it was like, everybody had to be at home to watch that movie for then, and then it was like gone.

Starting point is 00:20:09 And then they'd bring it back. So it's the scarcity of it. You'd only be able to watch it in that one time frame. You know what, you're seeing... We'll leave that in that. I'm not that brilliant. No, what you're seeing now is a lot of these movie theaters are doing, which I think is really smart, just because the setup is cool.

Starting point is 00:20:32 It's like your March madness or the World Series or these big televised event, UFC fight. So a lot of these theaters are selling tickets to come watch these. They're sweating, man. Yeah, oh yeah, now you can see him watch. You can watch the opera. I'm actually gonna go watch, you can actually watch the opera at the movies. So, like the live opera?

Starting point is 00:20:50 No, no, no, no, no. It's the theater opera, but it's the experience. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, and do that. You would choose that over. Yeah, I know. I'm throwing out like all these cool things. I don't know, I basically just gave you my underwear to wet.

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Starting point is 00:21:35 Dude, I'm a solo moviegoer, man. It's still a thing for me. Because you like the experience of it. Right, yeah, I do. I get what you're saying. I'm the same one. Yeah. But I feel like we might be the last, because okay, I'll give you an example.

Starting point is 00:21:44 I hope we are. So I get to get more seats, you know what same one. But I feel like we might be the, okay, I'll give you an example. I hope we are. So I get more seats, you know what I say? Because I hate sitting next to my computer. Well, here's what I'll give you an example. So I had this trainer that worked for me at my studio and she's 54 and she was so angry that the San Jose Mercury newspaper

Starting point is 00:22:00 was getting thinner and thinner and thinner. And small, it used to be one of the number one newspapers in the country and she would still get it and she'd love to read it. And I sat down with her one day, I'm like, what are you doing reading the fucking newspaper? I'm like, all that information you can get online. Shit, the Center's in Mercury News has an online site

Starting point is 00:22:17 where you could read all the stuff. Like, why? She's like, I like the experience in the field and I'm like, oh shit, it's because it reminds her of like what she grew up with just like us with movie theaters. I think your kids are I'm like, oh shit, it's because it reminds her of like what she grew up with, just like us with movie theaters. I think your kids are going to be like, why are you driving somewhere to spend a lot of money to watch it? You can watch it at home. No one's going to want to do that anymore. Well it's like driving a car. Nobody's going to give a shit about driving

Starting point is 00:22:37 a car soon. So there we are. So in 2020, 2020, the Chinese government is going to launch its social credit system. It's actually going to fucking launch it. No, dude. Did you remember what I told you guys about? I was going to explain that. That's where you... So this is a planning outline for the construction of the social credit system. So this is how the Chinese government is going to give you a score based on your credit,

Starting point is 00:23:07 based on the decisions you make, based on your education, based on the friends that you have in your network and their scores, based on the articles that you like to read. If you played too many videos, just like a whole new cast system. Bro, and it's a, yes, and this is going to be literally- Isn't that like that black mirror episode? 100% Totally. 100% new cast system. Bro, and it's a, so it's, yes, and this is gonna be literally. Isn't that like that black mirror episode? 100%. Yeah, 100% like system.

Starting point is 00:23:28 Yeah, some kind of 100%. So check this out. So let's say we're friends, right Adam, and Justin, we're all friends, right? And all of us have good scores, because we're good communists, like we do everything we're supposed to, we, you know, we don't play too many video games, we work hard,

Starting point is 00:23:42 we tell on people. Good education. Right. Let's say then, I'm like, you know, you start to see me, you guys are like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna go do this little protest over here because you guys are gonna say, no, don't fucking do that.

Starting point is 00:23:54 Your score is gonna be down. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, not only that, it's a man gonna fuck my score up. I'll fuck yours up because you're friends with me. Oh yeah. So all your friend scores are gonna be calculated in your score. What? So you're hanging around with. What a fucking thing. So then people friend scores are gonna be calculated in your score. What?

Starting point is 00:24:05 So you hang around with it? What a fucking nightmare. So then people will become ostracized. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a nightmare. Like all of a sudden I'm not returning Justin's phone calls. It's like why aren't you calling me back?

Starting point is 00:24:14 Like listen asshole. You fucking lost your job. I'm carrying out with you. Yeah. I can't hang out with you too. Do you think it'll go that extreme? What do you mean? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:22 That's what's in the system. Of course. That's what's in there. I'm already reading about it. That's what's in the system. Of course. That's what's in there. I'm already reading about it. That's so crazy. Yes. People, yeah, they're worried as hell. Yes.

Starting point is 00:24:30 So they already have private versions of this that Chinese people have already voluntarily signed up for. And people are already boasting. Oh, oh, here's, and boasting their scores. Like, oh, I got a 500 or whatever, whatever, they're good scores. Here's the other thing. if you have a good score because the government controls everything,

Starting point is 00:24:48 you get special deals on loans, you get special deals when you buy things. Of course, you don't have to wait in lines. So when you go rent a car, they don't ask you. So manipulative. They're not gonna ask you for anything because you got a 800 score or whatever your score

Starting point is 00:25:01 is on this particular, so. So you are literally ranked in society based on whatever algorithm you are. You could almost argue, we kinda run our system like that in a way without just announcing it all over the place, think about it. Well, we do. Hierarchies have always existed, of course.

Starting point is 00:25:17 I mean, if you don't, you don't have a good credit score in America, bro, life is fucking tight. It's really tough for somebody. Once you fuck your credit America, bro. Life is fucking tight. You know, it's really tough for somebody. Once you, once you fuck your credit up, man, but, but here's the difference. The difference is, you hanging out with me, uh, doesn't affect your credit score. Right. Whatever. So, yeah, or, or does it, you know, does it indirectly? Because we talk about, it could, you're in your collection or an average of the five people that you spend the most time with. And so indirectly, if you guys are, you know, my five closest friends are kind of shit butts.

Starting point is 00:25:51 And it's in a sense, they are gonna kind of weigh me down or they are gonna hurt me in those areas because they're not pushing me to elevate as a person. So, I mean, are we kind of already going this? Well, so there's here's the difference. And this is why it's a problem. The difference is hierarchy ladders have always existed. Like we always, whether you like it or not, you rank

Starting point is 00:26:10 people based on that. You see them in animals. You rank them by the, by you can rank them by their job, their skin color, their money, whatever they're wearing, male female, their attitude, their draw, the car they drive, you know, how much money they earn with their job is like, you, we all do that, right? The difference is the Chinese government controls us. That's the big, fuck the difference. So you have a central agency now that can fuck with people

Starting point is 00:26:32 or manipulate things to get their populists to do what they want. That's the scary part. Imagine if you walked around and you had a score that was determined by some algorithm that you had no control over or whatever, that could go bad. Like if that was just an app everybody agreed to or something and like it was just, you know, randomly controlled by everybody that was just using it. No, this is the state. This is the state. The Chinese state will be doing it.

Starting point is 00:26:58 I mean, is our 2020, how different though is, I mean, our credit score. Is that kind of like face? You know, how different is our credit score? I mean, you, I mean, that's, we don't control that. That's based off of some algorithm. Having forbid you miss some credit card payment when you were 19 years old or some shit or it's similar to a credit score, except a credit score is, you know, it is appropriate information for financial institutions, but this social networking system that they have is going to rank anything and everything that they want.

Starting point is 00:27:27 So if you ever, if you have like a lot of Facebook friends, you get extra points. Or less. Right. Or less. Maybe you spend too much time on social media. Maybe you, you know, maybe you get a hair dryer. You're under all the stipulations. They have like a, a manual that they're like giving everybody for this.

Starting point is 00:27:41 Dude, if you, if you even know, what if you type in Tiananmen Square Which is highly highly you know controversial in China even say oh you lost 500 points right there What if you disagree with the government? What if you I mean anything they want they could fuck with you over It's just another form of control. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's very crazy. It's for sure being an implement it 2020 2020 do that shit happen? That's crazy. That's real life. This is why communism is shit like that's so fucking scary. Like, don't ever give them any, because again, we're talking about a government

Starting point is 00:28:13 that legally has the authority to throw you in jail or kill you if they want to. So that's why it's a problem. You know what I mean? If it's just a voluntary thing and nobody could kill you over it, well I guess that's fine, you know, up to you. But if it's your government, fuck, what happens when you get a really little score?

Starting point is 00:28:28 What if one day, imagine this, here's a scenario that sounds crazy, but it's not because we have, we have plenty of examples of this in the 20th century. What if the Chinese government comes out and let's say this system has been in place now for 20 years? So it's now, it's the year 2040. Everybody has scores, It's totally implemented in society. And let's say a new leader comes forward and he says, look, we need to move

Starting point is 00:28:51 China forward. We need to move in advance the people and the, you know, the, the, the, the masses are more important than the individual. This is a whole premise behind communism, right? Like the benefit of the many over the benefit of the few, right? And they say, this is what we're gonna do. Anybody who has a score under than 150, you are gonna be thrown in jail. Like we need you at a society. You are not contributing to society. For sure that could happen.

Starting point is 00:29:16 For fucking sure that could happen. I'm gonna buy stockin' Fitbit. Cause they're all gonna be like scoring themselves every day. You know, like anything that has metrics. Actually, someone just told me Fitbit took a big shit, bro. I meant to tell you that. Perfect timing. I meant to tell you that.

Starting point is 00:29:31 My buddy messaged me and said, you and my Astafie was watching what's going on with Fitbit. That was just a couple days ago. There's a bit of you on Fitbit. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, the Fitbit shit. I don't know what's going on with, because I don't know if the market just become so competitive.

Starting point is 00:29:43 I mean, I thought they were carving themselves out a nice little slice. They partnered up with some of the professional teams. I thought that was pretty smart. I thought they're giving Apple kind of a run for their money as far as aesthetically what it looked like. Okay. But somebody just-

Starting point is 00:29:56 Was there some news that came out in their profits? Or- I don't know, or the just the technology isn't evolving that much. Like, what else are we getting with our Fitbit? And what we are getting from our Fitbit for, you know, and real soon-here companies like Apple and, I mean, real soon-here, almost. I think that's what it is.

Starting point is 00:30:11 It's all the incorporation, like, yeah. This is the bigger companies are moving in the space finally with Google and Apple. Right. And then at that point, I think almost every digital watch will have all the... It's just gonna be in there. It's just like having the flashlight member,

Starting point is 00:30:24 the flashlight app. Right. Dude, how much would how much of that suck you like I'm killing it. Then like the next year apples like that's right. So that's and this is me totally speculated. I don't know if that's the the truth behind what why it's why it's suffering or not, but I would I would definitely I would think that's the worry. What makes sense because the what I mean the way we can do things like you can't patent anything really. You know what I'm saying? Not with tech like that. I mean, you could just reverse engineer it,

Starting point is 00:30:48 it makes it very similar. And now any of the technology that's really in a Fitbit, what's the stop Apple or every other digital watch for that, making it also a Fitbit. And when they price it from 50 to 100 and something dollars, you can get digital watches for that or less. And it may as well have that feature. Even then they'll zoom, you know, like big companies like that.

Starting point is 00:31:08 They don't give a shit. They'll just like bring more lawyers, you know, they'll just drag it into the courts forever. Right. So it'd be interesting to see where these guys all shake up in the next few years. Please. New, some more interesting information that came out. So another study came out showing that low calorie sweeteners like sucralose in particular promote additional fat accumulation

Starting point is 00:31:32 within cells compared to cells who have not been exposed to these substances. So basically the headline of this is that low calorie sweeteners may promote metabolic syndrome. This was presented at the endocrine society recently. More news showing that artificial sweeteners are probably connected to insulin resistance, metabolic disease, and that the whole calories in versus calorie out, paradigm, is not the end-all-be-all. That there is, there's more to, you know, I heard Dr.

Starting point is 00:32:07 Hyman, who's a functional medicine doctor, say it actually rather eloquently, he said that food isn't just calories versus calories out, it's information that tells your genes how to express themselves, tells your body what hormones it should produce and which ones it should be sensitive to and they're in and so on and so forth. So there's a lot more information that your body, what hormones it should produce, and which ones it should be sensitive to, and so on and so forth. So, there's a lot more information that your body, that food, gives your body aside from

Starting point is 00:32:32 proteins, carbohydrates, and calories, and even micronutrients like vitamins. There's a lot more that goes to it. And artificial sweeteners, man, these low calorie artificial sweeteners are, they're more and more evidence coming out that they're not what they're all cracked up to be. And it's funny, we've been saying this now for three years and we've been, you know, people have argued with us and fought us over this, primarily because in fitness,

Starting point is 00:32:58 so much of fitness is driven by supplements and so many of them are artificially sweet. Well, when we first started saying this, it was hard to find in non-artificial sweetened protein powder. It was almost impossible. I remember I found like one or two and they were hard to find and you know, they were really expensive and everything was with sucralose and it probably overaspertained because aspartame got a bad rap in the 90s, in early 2000, so everybody switched to sucralose,

Starting point is 00:33:26 which was not a great option either. But they were hard to find. Now, today, you're seeing more people switch to natural, and we've had a lot of friends in fitness who own supplement companies, and we've communicated the same thing to them. Every single time I talk to them, I'd sit them down and be like, look,

Starting point is 00:33:43 start switching over. Make your pivot. Start making your pivot now because it's going to, when more and more of this information keeps coming out, you're going to have a tough time making that pivot when people are not buying that shit at all. You know what I'm saying? Maybe really interesting to see somebody's numbers like Joe Donnelly's who we spoke to almost two and a half years ago, three years ago.

Starting point is 00:34:02 He laughed. I told him, I'm like, dude, go non-horror, he's like, he laughed, he's like, ah, nobody wants that. And I'm like, dude, trust me with this, organic market markets exploding, people are moving more through that direction. It's a matter of time that the fitness industry go there because fitness is tied to health. You know, as much as it's, as we try to separate it

Starting point is 00:34:21 and say it's aesthetics and people just wanna look good, there's an element of health there as well, especially when fitness fanatics get a little bit older. Like, you know, all these kids that are in their 20s who don't give a shit and just wanna look good, when they're in their 30s, they start to like pay attention to their health also and they start to say, oh, wait a minute, I wanna be healthy too

Starting point is 00:34:38 because that makes me look good as well and it feels better and a lot of stuff. That's when they're gonna move away and, you know, the consumers in their 30s, or there's the big consumers, those are the ones that have all the money. They're not gonna wanna buy, I mean, organify was, that's one of the reasons why we,

Starting point is 00:34:52 we're even listening to organifies. I'm not gonna even listen to you if you guys use artificial sweeteners, which they don't. So that's, you know, one of the reasons why we even listen to what they had to say as far as their supplements. Do you think though, we're gonna see this kind of game of charade, so where it reminds

Starting point is 00:35:08 me of the supplement game where we used to take like a pro hormone or your designer steroid and we would put it out there, then all sudden FDA would get a hold of it because all some people are telling you that, oh my god, you're getting hormonal changes from this and then they get their hands on it and they say, okay, it's banned. And then all they do is they take that and they compound on a change. Do you think like we're gonna see that of,

Starting point is 00:35:34 because we're already doing it now. Every time I see a new artificial sweetener name pop up, it's one I've never heard before. Do you think we're just gonna be playing this game a short, new plan? You know, it's an exotic place. You know, at the end of the day, that a lot of them are, are, you know, here's what I think will happen because Stavia is the largest non artificial

Starting point is 00:35:56 sweetener that or the biggest piece of that market, right? That's not artificial. So manufacturers who are like moving away from artificial sweeteners are moving towards stevia. Now stevia, it doesn't mean stevia is like the safest thing in the world either. Stevia is probably likely much better for you than the artificial stuff. But what they're doing is they're taking stevia and then they're standardizing it and processing it to shit and calling it something else. And then they can say, not artificially sweetened, but that doesn't necessarily mean now,

Starting point is 00:36:30 it's okay, is they've taken, because you can take something natural and process it to hell and turn it into something that isn't great, but still say it's natural. Is that what I'm saying? Right, right. So they'll do that with Stevia too, 100%. I think they're already doing it.

Starting point is 00:36:42 I think there's a sweetener called Reb A. If I'm not mistaken, I'm gonna look it up right now just to make sure that is made from, yeah, it's a glycoside from Stavia that is 200 times sweeter than sugar. So what they do is they extract this, it's called Rebidio-side A, that they take from Stavia and then that's all they use, but now it's natural

Starting point is 00:37:04 because they took it from something. And that might not be good either. There's a lot of things that are natural that if you concentrate the shit of them, have weird effects in the body. So it doesn't mean you're safe just because they said, you know, it's not artificial. It's crazy that all these things,

Starting point is 00:37:19 how you start thinking about how we were designed, like how we evolved, how we came out to be, and then technology comes around, and we have this ability, like a few hundred years ago, we didn't even have the ability to do this. And so this wasn't a fear or a problem, and it's like, we come out with new technology

Starting point is 00:37:35 that allows us to do certain things, like concentrate something to the 200th power, and we're so excited because it's like, oh my God, this means we can make X amount more now, and this means that we no longer have to use this and it'll be taste, it'll taste that much better and it's like no one stops to think like, you know, if it wasn't found in nature like this

Starting point is 00:37:52 and that's how we've evolved over this entire time, has anyone thought maybe it's not a good idea to consume it like that? And then if you are going to, because I'm also the other side of that too, I'm like, well, these are some of that, I think you and I were talking, I'm like, man, it's such a double-edged sword that

Starting point is 00:38:07 where we've come with food and taste and like, man, some things are just so amazing. I mean, I love going to an incredible restaurant and biting into a steak that's been seasoned right and it's combined. Which is a form of processing. Right, it is. When you think about it, I mean,

Starting point is 00:38:25 we don't need to take the way we were eating to take a few hundred years ago. So, you know, there's definitely things that I 100% appreciate, but I think that's the takeaway from all this is learning to have balance and then understanding that much of the engineering behind all this is designed to hijack that palette and get you to not just eat one.

Starting point is 00:38:45 Right, that's the, it's like the existential human condition. It's that we, we discover something and then we go too far with it before we say, oh, I need to moderate this. You know, I need to slow down. Yeah, like that's just what we do. We do that with everything. Like we go crazy with something,

Starting point is 00:39:03 you know, and that's all, you can look at, you know, weapons, you can look at weapons, you could look at science, medicine, look at germ theory, you know, we discover germ theory, and we're like, oh, if we clean things and disinfect them, then we're not gonna spread illness, which is great, you know, and then we discover antibiotics. Oh, it kills germs.

Starting point is 00:39:21 Let's just fucking prescribe antibiotics. It's too taken. Like crazy, and now we have issues with that. So that seems to be one of our issues. And we've done it with food. It's like we started by combining foods and making them taste better and seasoning them and doing that, which is a form of processing.

Starting point is 00:39:35 And then we just took it to a whole other level where you buy a product, you buy a twinky, which I don't even know if they exist anymore, but you buy a twinky. I think there's one natural ingredient in a twinky. One, I feel like they came back. They might have. What is that corn? which I don't even know if they exist anymore, but you buy a Twinkie. I think there's one natural ingredient in a Twinkie. One. I feel like they came back. They might have.

Starting point is 00:39:47 What is that corn? No, it's like a banana puree or something like that. It's like one natural and real. Out of a 25 or 30 ingredient in the general. Exactly. Which is like, that's a fucking, it's a marvel of science. That's for sure.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Can we talk about how good they are too? I mean, they hit every, every year at a fried body. You had a fried, Tinky. Oh, I am in the Midwest. Dude, are you serious you've had a fried, Tinky? Oh, yeah. Of course you have.

Starting point is 00:40:14 It was horribly good. I ate at this place called Unami Burger. You guys had that before? It's in Palo Alto. No. At first, I got, I said, Poonani Burger. I did. It was super confusing. I'm a regular customer. Katrina and I were down in Palo Alto. No. For a second, I think it's at Poonani burger. It was super confusing.

Starting point is 00:40:25 I'm a regular customer. Katrina and I were down in Palo Alto this weekend, and we were at this place, and I'm like looking at this place. So it's Unami, so it's obviously Asian. And then you have a, it's built, the decoration, the decor looks like you're in this library. And then you've got on the wall this huge cover of the grateful dead and shrewd mushrooms and psychedelic stuff. Yeah, dude, just a real weird,

Starting point is 00:40:54 weird combination of the incredible burger, though. Incredible burger. Are you looking up right now? Oh, yeah, there you go. Oh, that's fun. So you get to check the stuff. What kind of burger did you get? So I got their California something. I forget what it was called. So you get set the check to set. What kind of burger did you get? So I got their California something. I forget what it was called. But they also have the burger. They do the impossible burger there, which is the burger that is like, I think, soy, I don't know if you can look it up, Doug,

Starting point is 00:41:15 where you're at right now, but they have a burger called the Impossible Burger. Oh, so it's like a no meat burger? Yes, which of course I opted not to have that. I'm like, I came here for them, for the meat, not the impossible burger. You ever taste some of these vegan concoctions that are supposed to taste like meat?

Starting point is 00:41:31 Oh, they taste like I think I didn't want. I mean, you can tell, but I'm still like blowing my match it pretty well. I don't know, like Jesus, what the hell, how did they, the science that went into this fucking food and they could taste like meat is crazy. Oh, yeah, dude. That's actually where I was heading

Starting point is 00:41:46 with this, was explaining that, like the way they make this burger is like you would never, ever guess that it's not. You know what, so I'm sure I'll piss off some vegans, but that's okay, it won't be my first time. So if you're a vegan because you're against the killing of animals for moral reasons, which I totally respect and appreciate.

Starting point is 00:42:04 Right. But you also want to create a food that tastes like the flesh of an animal I don't want you to create like I don't want a beef that tastes like you're You know, I mean I don't want someone to create like a hey This beef we've we've engineered to taste like human flesh like oh, yes, cuz I always want to eat a He's a flesh, but I can't eat a human cuz it always made me great I think we made like a sculpture out of tofu that looked like a cow and then just like sacrifice it, you know. You start making burgers out of it.

Starting point is 00:42:32 That's fucked up. Here you go. That's fucked up. Yeah. So you want to hear some more fucked up shit? Yes. It's one of the reddy. Yes.

Starting point is 00:42:41 This is probably one of the most infuriating things that Congress has done in a long time for me at least. So I'll read you the title of the article. I don't know if you guys are familiar with with these things that they're trying to pass, but the house rejects a bill so that they put a bill for didn't get didn't get passed. The bill was to give patients a right to try experimental drugs. So let me explain what this is. And you guys, see if you guys have shared the same fury. The bill was, if you're a terminally ill patient. So if your doctors have, you have a desk. Yeah, if your doctors have said, you know, Justin has three months to live. Or there's no treatments we have, nothing that can help he's terminal he's gonna die that the bill says that you who have been deemed terminal by your doctor you have a right to be able to take whatever drug you

Starting point is 00:43:34 want to try to help yourself okay and they defeated it they said no they turn it down well the democrats did Democrats did what? Yeah, the Democrats voted it down. And you know, both parties have their issues, but the Democrats really fucking love controlling people. Holy shit. They love controlling people. Toot, if they were to open that up, they would give us so much more research and studying on all these people they're trying it anyway.

Starting point is 00:44:00 Well, bro, here's what the, here's the, here's the, here's the bullshit. Here's the statement from the Democrats. It's a mighty lady. Yeah, here's the statement from the Democrats. It's immuniculated. Here's the, yeah, here's the statement from the Democrats. By defeating this bill tonight, we protected patients and supported the FDA's continued role in approving experimental treatments that may help save a patient's life.

Starting point is 00:44:18 They say that they are protecting the patients from having expectations, like not getting their hopes up. Oh my god. These are terminal patients, you fuck. I don't think their hopes are very high. What are you protecting? You want to save them from dying? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:35 They're going to die. Right. How is that, how is that even possible to even think? You imagine you're looking at somebody who's got three months to live, all the doctors Is by the way I have said they the ironies are gonna go do it anyways, but now we can't measure it and track it and pay attention Well, though how much better would it be if it was through the hospital? That's what I mean, you know

Starting point is 00:44:54 I'm saying if it's through the hospital again, we can measure we could track it with a lot of people that we get all these studies can be done off Right and if I'm I don't know about you, but if I'm three months terminal, and I'm looking at experimental drugs that are in the FDA process, I'm looking at experimental drugs from overseas. I'm reading studies and I'm like, look, I'm already gonna, I know I'm gonna die. I wanna try this drug over here

Starting point is 00:45:17 because I saw this animal study or whatever. It's my fucking body, first of all. Like fuck you. For telling me, first of all, you should not have the moral authority to tell anybody what they can do to their body. Think about that for a second. Who owns your body and who owns your mind?

Starting point is 00:45:33 Obviously, you don't, because there's shit that you get thrown in jail for doing to your own body. It's my fucking body. I go to jail for doing it. So that alone is fucking ridiculous. But let's add another layer of insanity to it I'm terminal like all the doctors in this my doctor has now said you're gonna die this He has intractable cancer whatever yeah gonna die and I still can't do whatever I want to my body the government tells me basically

Starting point is 00:46:00 Sorry, I we own you until the day you die even if that's a month from now, you can't fuck you man. The truth of the matter is you're still going to go do it. They're going to go do it still. You know what I'm saying? They are, but at least this way, if it was no, I agree with the bill was passed, then their doctors are a part of it. And maybe what would happen, and this would probably what would happen, if the bill passed, then you would get access to all these experimental drugs, like then your doctor could say, okay, since we have no other options and your terminal, let's let me help you seek out and find experimental treatments

Starting point is 00:46:34 that are more like competitions to me. I was so angry when I read that because I had a family member that went through something like that. And I remember thinking like, wow, you know, there were, she was able to apply to be in a trial, but she had to apply to it. There was a trial drug, but she had to apply to it.

Starting point is 00:46:53 Whatever, I thought to myself like, this is ridiculous. She's terminal. We should be able to give her whatever she wants. Even if it's just, fuck, even if it's cocaine, like, hey man, I'm gonna die anyway. I just wanna be happy until I die. go for it. So your body here you go Right, right. Don't ask me to pay for it. I get that you like you pay for yourself

Starting point is 00:47:10 But it's your it's your body how crazy is that that they defeated that it is crazy insane? That was just recently Freshly I was recently. Yeah, it feels like a no brain or two. I don't know why they would even Whatever man. No Would you do this week in Justin? I worked on my house a bit. What else? I went to downtown Santa Cruz for St. Patrick's Day. So, oh, did you green beard up or what?

Starting point is 00:47:35 Oh, not really. I mean, just with the kids, we were just kind of dancing around and like, you know, just checking out like what was going on downtown. But yeah, I mean Courtney, we had a little bit of that. She made some corn beef and cabbage and then we had some beers. But yeah, it was pretty low key for me. So I wasn't like rage in or nothing.

Starting point is 00:47:55 You didn't drink Saladadue? I did not drink anything and I forgot it was St. Patrick's Day. And then I went to... Oh, so me and Jessica went down to, we went down to Gilroy, the Gilroy Outlets, so I could buy some shoes or whatever, and then on the way up, we ate it, Applebee's. I haven't eaten an Applebee's in a year.

Starting point is 00:48:15 That's the last time you guys ate an Applebee's. I shared that story with the little, that's when I found the little digital thing on the table, remember last year when I was like, you guys know that they have these, before that I hadn't been to like, it's the food quality improved at all. You know, it's okay.

Starting point is 00:48:29 Like outback is way better. If you're gonna go that direction, I like outback way better. But yeah, we went to Applebee's and then I'm in there and I see everybody in like, green bow ties and shit. I'm like, yeah, same Patrick's day. I forgot it was same paddy's day.

Starting point is 00:48:41 We went to Katrina's work event. They did this at Bokodipepo. I think that's a good day, Bepos. Is that what's called? Nice to work there. Bokodipepo. You worked there? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:51 I got kicked out of there. I didn't know you worked there. Yeah, man. One of the first ones that opened up in Palo Alto, I was working there while I was at school at San Jose State. Oh no, shit. Yeah. Way back.

Starting point is 00:49:01 That was the one, I think a long ass time ago on the podcast, I mentioned a story of some guy that would like coming in roller skates and he would always request my section and he'd bring his buddies. It was, they were very flaming. They're spilling out. And they really liked me. And they liked you.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Oh, you know what you're talking, I'm Jeff Lurwood with them to get a bigger tip. Of course. I'm talking about not, not vocal to Peppa. What's the, what's the one with the botchie ball? Oh You up in Los Ghetto. Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, so book of the beppo is the is the Just said that I'm like I didn't know you worked there. Oh, no, no, you went to compotey-bots. Oh, yeah, that's what it's I'm gonna add as a boop of the man That's what it is. Yeah, what do you do? I had to get at you because you

Starting point is 00:49:48 You're coming out my national holidays. What yeah, same path. It's like whatever green What did then they die a river or something they do every year Chicago man? That was the Man what the fuck that was the jam is that like you? You're just like terrible for the environment, but it's awesome. What are you guys doing, man? Oh, we just, we, imagine if you're in the fish and that fucking thing. Oh, what the fuck?

Starting point is 00:50:11 Everybody's throwing up in it. It's just food coloring, isn't it? Yeah, it's just food coloring. There's nothing on that. It's orange dye and they just throw it in there. Is it really orange? It's orange, it turns green. Orange dye turns green?

Starting point is 00:50:22 Yeah, because it's water. It's like kind of got a blue tint to it, right? Oh, okay. Science. You just got. I got, I got, I thought he messed up. I'm like, no, it's not Justin. It's green. Idiot. And then I got school. There's a lot of people that come down for that though. It's huge, right? Oh my God. It's a big deal. Like honestly, that was a big deal, but even in Milwaukee, like people will go off there. It's crazy. We went to both one time on the St. Patrick's Day, but yeah, they do it big.

Starting point is 00:50:49 It's a big deal. Is it one of the biggest in that in Boston? Those are two biggest, yeah. Boston's, I think, is bigger. I've never been to the Boston one. I would love to do that one time, because just as a compare it, you know. Just a bunch of angry whites.

Starting point is 00:51:02 You can just get fucked up, right? Just a bunch of house of banks. Drunken assholes, right? Just fuck it. A bunch of house of banks. Drunk in assholes everywhere. Yeah, yeah, house of pain all day. A bunch of sunburns. Yeah, sunburns and, yeah, gurgly throw up. Oh no!

Starting point is 00:51:16 No. Hey, so I've been doing, you know what else I was doing this weekend? God, I love the internet, man. You can learn anything you want. So I'm like on this kick of learning the histories of religions. So I was on YouTube just going crazy and there's some incredible speakers

Starting point is 00:51:32 on the different religions that you want to learn on. You know, people show up at your door. No. Hey, I saw you were looking us up. Can they track it? Yeah, sure. No, but it's great because I don't want the, I'm not trying to, you know, get converted or anything.

Starting point is 00:51:47 I just wanted to do a history, right? Yeah. And I found this guy on YouTube Bishop Baron, I think his name is, maybe Doug could look at it. I hope I'm right. Sounds like a badass. So, no, he's a super charismatic priest. And he did this series called Catholicism,

Starting point is 00:52:03 which is... We see the same one who interviewed or did a yeah interview with Sam Harris. I don't know maybe Older heavy set guy. No, not white hair. No, no, no, no, no, okay, but super charismatic dude And so he's talking about the history of the of the Christianity, you know Christian religion really really good job He did such a good job and it's just fascinating that have access to something like that. So I'm diving dip into that. I'm gonna go into Buddhism next and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism.

Starting point is 00:52:32 But I just love that I can do that because before it would have been, you know, it would have been much more difficult. I would have gone to the library and much more difficult. But I said I hear it from somebody who is a bias, right? Or is trying to convert me. Right. You know, the harder you push, the harder I'm gonna push back. I just want to learn. I just want to learn the history of all these things. But yeah, right? Or just trying to convert me. Right. You're not gonna, you know, the harder you push, the harder I'm gonna push back.

Starting point is 00:52:46 I just wanna learn. I just wanna learn the history of all these things. But yeah, really, I hope that's doesn't it? Now, when you do this, is this kind of like your time where you just kind of plug in, put headphones on, sit by yourself, or you know, dude, one of the things I love, there it is. Is that, is it named Bishop, Bishop Baron?

Starting point is 00:53:04 Yeah, dude, this is a great professional website. It's a fucking great, he's like super charismatic, he's made for social media. I'm watching this, I'm like, dude, if you were in a priest, you know, this guy's like super talented. But anyway, I'm, one thing I love most about my relationship with Jessica is that she has the same insatiable thirst and annoying

Starting point is 00:53:25 because I can be very annoying when I get on a topic because that's all I wanna learn. Quality of finding a topic and then just becoming obsessed with it, she's the same exact way. And luckily we're in the same shit. So we're both hanging out and we got home and we had some time and she looks at me with this look on her face and she's like,

Starting point is 00:53:44 hey, I'm like what, she's like, you wanna learn more about like religions? I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I could like make love to you right now. So that's what we did. Actually, we had sex first. You know why? Cause I thought to myself,

Starting point is 00:53:56 I'm like, you gotta get out of the demons. Yeah, you don't wanna feel guilty. I don't wanna feel guilty. Exactly. He's like, let's get this sitting on the way. We're gonna go for it first. I don't wanna feel here. I can see clearly again. I can remember this still, let's get the city out of the way. Real quick. I don't want a few here. I can see clearly again.

Starting point is 00:54:06 You know, remember, there's still that deep, you know, like, you know, hard wiring you get when you grow up, right? I don't want to. After watching this, have to, although it could make it more exciting than I think about it. Oh, we're sitting. You're like a hand job, yeah. Yeah. Oh dear God. Bird Savings.

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Starting point is 00:54:51 First question is from Maddie Lee to 17. What are your most effective ways to combat internal negativity as it relates to anxiety? Oh, wow. I think the first step is being aware of it, right? I think sometimes people become overwhelmed by all that stuff and they don't even just keep amounting and adding up and adding up. Right. I think we get so caught up of looking like right in front of us versus like the big picture of things and you get you get overwhelmed by it and

Starting point is 00:55:18 then it just compounds. So I think the first step is to combat it is to have awareness that it's that it's even happening, right? So the way I look at it is, so being sad or depressed or anxious or stressed, those are all natural things that we feel. They're all emotions and they're all there for a reason. So the reason why I'm saying that is, I went through a very, very, very challenging, I went through a few challenging times in my life, like back to back, all culminating and ending with a divorce, and it was very, very stressful.

Starting point is 00:55:57 And part of me is almost like, I can't be negative, I have to be positive, I gotta be out of this thing. So it's like, I'm fighting this feeling because it's bad and I can't be negative, I have to be positive. I gotta be out of this thing. So it's like, I'm fighting this feeling because it's bad and I can't be in this feeling, which I realized added a layer of negative to the negativity. So now, not only do I feel bad for a real reason.

Starting point is 00:56:18 If you go through a divorce and you feel bad, well, it's not because you're a depressed person, it's because you're going through a divorce, right? If you're terminally ill or something bad happens, you lose your job and you're sad, you're sad for a reason, something really happened to you. What you don't want to do is feel sad or angry, or bad about feeling sad or angry or bad. That is a second layer, and I was doing this to myself. I was feeling bad for feeling bad, and that was causing a lot of problems. And it actually prevented me from actually dealing with why I was feeling bad in the first

Starting point is 00:56:50 place because all I was focused on was feeling bad, the fact that I felt terrible. And I had to learn that the only way to get on the other end of something like that was to go through it. I couldn't avoid it. I couldn't you know positive my way out of it I had to allow myself to go through it and not judge Myself for feeling this ways and once I was able to do that a Huge portion of the anxiety and stress that surrounded feeling bad was lifted and part of the reason why I felt bad Was I felt like I was letting everybody down around me, my partner, like, oh, fuck, I'm depressed or I'm anxious and they have to deal with me this way.

Starting point is 00:57:30 So now I'm adding a layer on top of that. Oh, fuck, my partner is my business partners. I can't do, I can't be my normal self. That's going to suck and that's another layer on top of it. You know, all these, all my kids and all these other things. And so I had to understand and learn that. I have to let myself go through it and deal with them in order to get on the other end of them.

Starting point is 00:57:48 That's interesting, because most people want to redirect that feeling. They want to distract. Yeah, they want to do, that's something that they know is there. So they are aware that that's there, but they're going to try to avoid it. Avoid it or just be more positive as a result. Like that's gonna eliminate it,

Starting point is 00:58:09 which really what you're doing is you're not dealing with it directly. So, I know it's cliche to say this, but there's no such thing as big problems, the only problems that we make big, right? And it's funny when you start to unpack these things that give us all this anxiety and all this negativity. And it's like you talk about divorce,

Starting point is 00:58:24 you talk about losing your job, you talk about these things, give us all this anxiety and all this negativity and it's like you talk about divorce, you talk about losing your job, you talk about these things but really when you unpack that like why is that such a big deal? Why is that a bigger deal than any other hard time or struggle in our lives and is it really that hard? Are you going to die? You're not going to be able to are you not going to be able to do it? Sometimes you might, right, right, you know what I'm saying, but I think that people get so overwhelmed by these things that and when you not going to be- Sometimes you might, right, right. You know what I'm saying? But I think that people get so overwhelmed by these things that, and when you compare it to hundreds of years ago, like people would laugh at us. If that's what we, like, what we're allowing to create all this anxiety and depression and anger or hurt or cause suicide and do these things, it's like, oh my God, it's like, is

Starting point is 00:59:01 it really like, I feel like we formulated this expectations of what life is supposed to be like for us. And I think when they don't live up to those expectations, we freak out and we freak out. And so I think when you have these moments, these are the times to look deeper into yourself and why does this bother me? For example, let's use losing a job

Starting point is 00:59:22 because that could just be devastating for so many people, right? You've been in a career 10 years, you own a mortgage and also you lose your job. And oh my God, how do you deal with a situation like that? Well, first of all, why do you identify with that being what makes you you? Because you work for somebody else who provides an income, who then you provide help you pay up. Most things I didn't stress is based off of like who you identify yourself to be and like how that's attached to that. For sure. Yeah, that process.

Starting point is 00:59:50 For sure. And so I think when we have these moments of negativity, I think the more negativity or the more hurt or the more pain it is, the more it's something that I need to dig deeper into. It's like, whoa, like why does this negate me out so much? Like, this is an opportunity for me to dive into to me and we're in an area that I can work on and I should never identify with all these other uncontrollables in my life. Yeah, and there's, you know, there's also the perspective of

Starting point is 01:00:19 okay, so I have this situation that's happening to me. that's not controllable, which these are usually the things that bothers the most, or the things that we don't have control over, right? So I have this illness, or I lost my job, or you have, you have some control over it, but you guys get what I'm trying to say here. So you have this thing that's happening to, and now you're

Starting point is 01:00:42 really stressed out and sad and anxious about it. If you want to now handle and tackle the challenge that is now placed in front of you, the version of you that is most likely going to succeed and come out of that is the version that isn't saddled with all this anxiety and stress. And what I mean by that is I can look at my situation and be like, well, fuck, I lost my house and I lost my job. Now, I know what I need to do to survive out of this. Me sitting here and feeling shit and terrible about myself

Starting point is 01:01:18 and judging myself over it and adding layers upon layers of how I feel about myself over this, isn't going to, it's only gonna make it harder for me. I know what I need to do, so I'm gonna choose to do what I need to do and acknowledge how I feel, and that's it. So this came, I had something similar, very small situation happened the other day. I was driving, I was supposed to be somewhere,

Starting point is 01:01:41 and I had to know where, like, dead stop traffic on the freeway. And it's it was during a time when there was no traffic. So I didn't anticipate having to take a long time to get somewhere. I gave myself 10 minutes because it took 10 minutes to get there. But I was dead stop traffic. I could see lights in front of me, freeways closed and I'm like, fuck, like I'm for sure going to miss this appointment. And I started getting really pissed off.

Starting point is 01:02:04 And then I stopped for a second and stepped outside of myself, observed myself getting angry and I said, okay, well, I'm gonna miss the appointment. There's nothing I can do about that. Being really angry about it doesn't feel good. So why don't I just stop? Like I'm here anyway. What are my options? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:02:21 Like I'm here anyway. So I might as well put on a podcast and just chill because I have no other choice. Change your perspective. My other choice is to be really pissed off. Change your perspective. That's all you did. And it makes a tremendous difference. The other thing too is you also understand that your emotional state sends a signal to your body for actual things to change in your body for that to become a physical state. So I can think of something that brings me anxiety. My body responds by producing stress hormones

Starting point is 01:02:56 and chemicals that give me the feeling of anxiety, the physical feeling of anxiety. I can get, you know, my heart will speed up. I'll get cold, clammy hands, my mouth will get dry, I may get dizzy. This is the physical representation of this thought that I had, okay. Now the reverse can happen. What I mean by that is you could actually be anxious, depressed, or stressed out because of something that's happening to you physically that you then mentally interpret as an emotion.

Starting point is 01:03:27 So what I mean by that is, I'll give you a great example. Anxiety and excitement. Physically speaking, on a chemical level, it's the same. Physically look the same. Physically, you have the same speeding up of the heart rate, stress hormones go up, same chemical production, same cold, clamming hands, you know, whatever.

Starting point is 01:03:46 One is excitement and one is anxiety, but physically they both feel exactly the same. The difference is how you perceive them. And so the reason why I'm communicating this is you may be having physical feelings of stress and anxiety that are the result of poor diet, lack of sleep, poor health, that you then interpret as, oh, lack of sleep, poor health, that you then interpret as, oh man, I'm really fucking sad, which then creates this filter for which you see

Starting point is 01:04:12 the rest of the world through this filter of depression, stress, and anxiety, because you're just reading these physical symptoms. So now, because my health is poor, now I look at this you know, this potential job opportunity as not an exciting thing, but as a stressful thing. I look at my marriage as, or my relationships as, I start to, you know, weigh more heavily on the negative stuff that happens in it versus more of the positive stuff. And they've done this in studies, you

Starting point is 01:04:40 will start to see things as more negative because of the way your body physically is. So, one of the most controllable things you have at your disposal is your physical health. So, if you're an anxious, stressed out individual, yes, you can change your circumstances like your job, the people hang out with whatever, but you can also just make yourself healthy, get better sleep, exercise more, and eat better,

Starting point is 01:05:04 and that'll give you the physical feedback of, I'm calm, I feel like I can tackle things, I feel better, and then your filter will start to change, and then you'll notice you'll be able to handle things better. This way, physical health is so important for these kinds of things, is because it changes your mental state,

Starting point is 01:05:22 just like your mental state can change your physical state. And there are medications that can do that as well, right? You could take a benzo, which will calm you down artificially, which then make you feel like, oh, cool, I can handle things. There's alcohol and drugs that can do that. But there's also herbal remedies that help with that, that are not as, you know, maybe detrimental to your health, but they can also become a crutch.

Starting point is 01:05:45 Like, you can use passion flour, which makes you feel more calm, but if you don't fix the root cause, you're gonna be taking fuckin' passion flour all the time and eventually your body might build up a tolerance. I know, organifies gold juice is great for feeling, for giving you that physical sensation, and sometimes that's what you need, right? Sometimes you're like, man, I can't get out of this

Starting point is 01:06:05 anxious space just because my body feels anxious. And it's a hard feedback loop. It's a positive feedback loop, right? So your physical feeling of anxiety, then you go to your mental state, which makes you worry, which creates more of a physical response, which then creates more of a mental response as a positive feedback loop.

Starting point is 01:06:21 Sometimes you have to interrupt that. So like you could try like, you know, like the, the goal just for more gain a fives really good for that. You could drink that, you know, you know, you could do something else, you know, relaxing, get some sunlight or use like an infrared sauna. Right, so this is what I do.

Starting point is 01:06:36 So right now this has been, this is close to home for me because of everything that I've been going through. So, you know, I've never been somebody who's big on like mantras or chats, or chants that you do, or look yourself in the mirror, like you'll never been somebody who's big on like Montrose or Chats or Chants that you do or look yourself in the mirror like you'll never catch me do some weird shit like that. But I do have these these moments of gratitude that I force myself into when

Starting point is 01:06:54 I feel depression or anxiety or stress or like that started to come on. And one of the things that I've found that it's worked so awesome has been great for me is, you know, I sit in this sauna at our place now, that we have this thing, and I'm by myself, it's completely quiet and peaceful, and I like doing it when I have these moments where I feel like that, and then the entire time that I'm in there,

Starting point is 01:07:15 all I'm actually thinking about is not the shit that's negative stress and causing anxiety, I'm looking at all the things in my life that are positive, what are all the things in my life that are good? I've got good friends, I've got family around me, I've got co-workers that I absolutely love coming to work. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:07:31 I start thinking about- You should just spotlight it. Yeah, exactly. I just shift over. Like, no, okay, no doubt this side of my life, fucking sucks. I mean, this hormonally, this is the most challenging I've ever been in. I mean, some of the worst shape that I've ever been in,

Starting point is 01:07:41 like, I've hurt more than I've ever been in my life. Like, all these things are like compounding and could add to all this stress and anxiety. But then, what I do is like, I accept that. Like, fuck yeah, that all sucks. And it sucks to be in that situation. But it's not the end of all. I've got all these other things in my life

Starting point is 01:07:56 that are positive and feeding my soul in other ways. And I think learning to take the focus off of a lot of the things, is once I blew my Achilles, you know, there was a learning lesson there for me, what I should have done preventative heading into that, but it's too late now. It's fucking happened, right? So instead of crying over spilt milk, it's like I got my learning lesson from that. I've accepted it.

Starting point is 01:08:17 Now I'm almost in a sense. I've punished myself. I'm not the deal with this for the next two to three months of rehabbing and getting out of it and getting back to myself, but moving on from that and not allowing it to weigh me down. And one of the ways that helps me is these moments of silence or meditation, however you want to wrap it up, but I've learned to find this like in the sauna or steam room and just sitting there and just being quiet with my-

Starting point is 01:08:40 Re- reframing is such a powerful because if you're listening and you're thinking like, oh, that's, you know, my problems are big like that's not a that's not effective no reframing is or you know what Adam's talking about focusing on the positive is extremely powerful so powerful in fact that when you read books written by people who are in incredibly difficult situations like the Goulog Archipelago, which was written by a man who was thrown in the Goulogs of the Soviet Russia. I mean, for decades, and the Goulogs were just terrible, right? Terrible, terrible conditions.

Starting point is 01:09:18 You read his story, or you read about the stories of people who survived concentration camps, or people who survived just horrible. One of the things that you do is you take and you reframe everything into smaller chunks. So you shrink your day. So if you're in an extremely difficult situation, let's say you lost the family a loved one, which is very, very difficult. Rather than thinking, you know, a week or two weeks or a month from now, just think an hour. Okay, here's my goal.

Starting point is 01:09:47 In the next hour, I am going to do my laundry. I'm going to set that goal. I'm just going to focus on that for the next hour and then you do it. Oh, I feel good. Okay, this next hour, I am going to read two pages in this book and literally shrinking your time frame and reframing the things you focus on makes such a massive difference and how you feel. I mean, look, the bottom line is we live in the best times in all of human history and yet depression is through the roof. So it's, can you be depressed because your

Starting point is 01:10:15 circumstances suck? Yes. There's a large percentage of how you feel, have to do with just your own, you know, how aware you are or the framing you have or your opinion of things massively. I mean, you have a, you know, you could have a roof, you could have food, you could have all these different things, but you can still feel like life is meaningless and like you're depressed because, you know, maybe someone has more than you or maybe you're focusing on all these bad things. So reframing makes a tremendous difference.

Starting point is 01:10:40 So I think doing combining that with getting your physical health in order will work wonders. You get your physical health in hand for sure. They go hand in hand. I mean, this is such a common conversation I feel like for us, at least for me, trainers. Yeah. Man, I just, I don't know how many people that I had to change their mindset first before we ever got in shape. Like, if you don't have the right, all the successful ones, that's how that works. Right, 100%. Otherwise, you can't just power your way through your health and fitness journey.

Starting point is 01:11:11 At one point, you've got to learn to look inside, reflect, and like you said, reframe. Next question is from Fit M28. In episode 699, you talk about tracking. How do you recommend learning how to track without it becoming an eating disorder? Tracking is a very powerful tool for learning about nutrition, learning about what is in food.

Starting point is 01:11:38 In fact, if you want to go to a place where you're intuitive eating or you're progressing towards intuitive eating, this is where you have to go, a place where you're intuitive eating or you're progressing towards intuitive eating. This is where you have to go. You have to start, maybe not have to, but it's highly recommended to start tracking. Because you have to know proteins, how many grams are in this, how many grams are in that, fats, carbs, besides that,

Starting point is 01:12:02 calories, but besides that, you also have to be able to take note of something which then you can correspond to how you feel because you would be surprised how unaware you are of your food. That's a true being present for just that reason alone, like with your food and your eating process, like it forces you to pay attention and, you know, just like with the whole biohacking community, I mean, really the value there is just being like super aware of what you're already doing, all of your habits and like how it's contributing

Starting point is 01:12:34 to the health and well-being of you going forward. It's something that you need to have as a foundational sort of start so that way you can build upon that. That's right. That's not what you want to say. I'm really glad that you guys went this direction with this, because I remember when we first came out with the intuitive guide, and we were talking a lot about it on the podcast,

Starting point is 01:12:56 you know, one of the things that I really stressed, and I was really nervous about, was, you know, a lot of people listen to Mind Pump, and they were going to hear this message of us talking about intuitive eating, that I was afraid that it was going to give off this. Oh, well, fuck it. I don't even want to track. Like Mind Pump says, it's not healthy. You could have an eating disorder if you track your food. And that's kind of scared me a little bit because I don't want to send the wrong message

Starting point is 01:13:18 to people when I truly believe that, you know, the tracking piece is such a crucial piece. Now, of course, there's always exceptions to the rule, but I would argue damn near everybody or a majority of people at one point should start there, should start there to figure things out. And I think really the goal is always to move away. And I'm still doing this today, okay? So this is why I'm so passionate about why I think

Starting point is 01:13:41 everybody needs to track. And then I also think everybody needs to try and learn to do intuitive. So I kind of go through these phases of, you know, and I'm so passionate about why I think everybody needs to track. And then I also think everybody needs to try and learn to do intuitive. So I kind of go through these phases of, you know, and I'm going through it right now where I'm starting to track again and see kind of where my baseline is because I just came off of this injury. I'm now 36 years.

Starting point is 01:13:54 I mean, I'm different. I'm different today than what I was 10 years ago when I was playing this game. So my job is different. The amount of set how sedentary we are now. We fly all the time. Like I don't have the same convenience So like a lot of things have changed therefore for me

Starting point is 01:14:07 I'm back to the drawing board again and I'm gonna track and pay attention and then from there I'll take all this compounding information that I have from all the other times that I've tracked and I've paid Attention to my body and how it changes and then I'll apply that and then as soon as I feel like I I've got it under control I'm not tracking anymore and then I'm kind I feel like I'm I've got it under control, I'm not tracking anymore. And then I'm kind of proving to myself, can I do this without tracking? And you know what, a lot of times it's inevitable. I fuck up or I get, you know, I'm not paying attention very much. And then also I allow one or two things to become a habit in my life.

Starting point is 01:14:38 And then I start to find my, my health and fitness starting to slide again. And then that's always a reminder for me. Well, let me get back to kind of tracking in my home base again. So I think that, you know, and I hope one day, and I feel like Sal is one of the few people I know that doesn't track his food and remains in relatively tip-top shape year-round. But for the rest of the people out there,

Starting point is 01:15:02 that's really fucking tough to do. It's hard because people just don't, they don't know, they don't even think about what they put in their mouth. They don't, they have no idea. I mean, you ask somebody, ask the average person, how many grams of protein do you average every day? No idea.

Starting point is 01:15:14 Ask them, forget that, how many calories do you think you eat throughout the day? How many glasses of water do you have throughout the day? They just don't know. So tracking is just an objective way to measure those things. And let me tell you the ones that rat off numbers and say they know, you know, every one of those people that, yeah, are off that I've made track. Okay, are you sure? Are you around 2500 calories? Yeah, they heard that that's what they're, or they tracked one day,

Starting point is 01:15:37 right? They tracked one day to see kind of where they're at. And then now they, it reminds me too, like when people talk about their finances, like you had one good financial day, so you'd multiply that by 360 days a year, and that's supposedly how much money you make. It's the same concept with people with their health and fitness, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, I know it's like to eat healthy, because I had a day,

Starting point is 01:15:53 an a day of tracking and paying attention. It's like, no, I bet you, if you haven't been consistent with that, you'd be surprised how far off you are. That's right, and so here's the thing now, have did eating disorders exist before tracking? Yes. Right. So tracking isn't doesn't the cause of eating disorders? It's just a tool. That's all it is. It's a tool. Can it be misused? Absolutely. You can use it to become orthorexic as fuck where

Starting point is 01:16:20 everything has to fit in your macros exactly where you're counting every single thing you put in your food and it becomes an obsession and it takes over your life, but that's not the problem with tracking, that's just a problem with a poor relationship with food. Tracking can just become a tool of that. Now, do I think everybody should start tracking? At first, definitely, there's a lot to learn there. You're probably gonna be there for a little while, depending on the type of, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:51 growth-minded individual you are and how dedicated you are and how fast you progress. Do I think that's the destination, the endpoint? No. It shouldn't be. I mean, that doesn't sound like a good destination to be tracked for the rest of your life always. Of course not.

Starting point is 01:17:08 Like, the goal should be to continuously learn about your body and it's not really learning about your body because, let me explain, your body's changing all the time. So when I say learn about your body, I think sometimes people get the, they get confused and they think, oh, I'm gonna learn about my body. And then once I've figured it out, I have the answers.

Starting point is 01:17:28 I'm gonna explore my body. Yeah, exactly. They think, oh, once I figure my body out, I've learned it, and that's it, I have all the answers. Well, no, your body changes. Your body ages and your circumstances change. So, it's not a lot too, by the way. A lot.

Starting point is 01:17:43 That's why I'm saying, like we're right now, even, it's different for me right now than what was just four years ago. And then four years ago, it was a huge difference for me what I was doing compared to seven, eight years ago. Yeah, it's your body changes. So it's not really learning your body like it's this answer key that you have that you figure out. It's learning how to learn about your body

Starting point is 01:18:03 or learning the process of listening to your body. Once you become, as you become more and better, more and more effective at that or you become better at reading the signals of your body, connecting how you respond, how you feel to what you eat and your sleep and all these different things, as you become more in tune to that, then your diet starts to reflect it. Now, like Jessica, we've been dating for two years, so it's really been about, I mean, she started her intuitive eating process way before that, because she now had a track

Starting point is 01:18:39 and all that stuff. But really, it went on fast forward, we we started dating because it's something I've been doing for a while. And so now if she breaks out or if she feels a particular way, she's starting to be able to be like, oh, it's this, it's that. You know, oh, I can see now that peanuts do this to me or chocolate does this to me. Or when I drink alcohol, like she's identified that drinking red wine, causes sinus inflammation for her. She's connected that. Pneuts cause skin issues for her and chocolate, cause the skin issues. That was a tough one because she loves chocolate.

Starting point is 01:19:14 But it's a process of listening on how to listen to your body or learning how to listen to your body. And that's, and tracking is a tool. It's a fucking part of it. That it's something objective. I think the reason why we talked so much about it, turning into eating disorders personally from my experience, right? I brought to the show this side,

Starting point is 01:19:35 or this perspective of what the bodybuilding culture looked like, and it blew me away as it did, I think, the other gentleman in this room on, when we started to look at holy shit, there is actually more eating disorders going on within the bodybuilding community than there is outside in the average day. Well, I mean, it's all percentage wise, right? There's a greater percentage. There's not more people.

Starting point is 01:19:56 That's a small niche group, right? But there is definitely a poor relationship with tracking food. It's what you find in the competitive world is you're either on or off. You're either on, you're dialed, you're tracking, you're straight, and then it's like all these guys and girls, when they get off, it's like, oh, I don't have to track. Fuck it all. Yeah, and then they go nuts. And then they, so then they feel like they always have to be getting ready for a show in order, in order to keep themselves. They don't know what normal health is. Right.

Starting point is 01:20:25 So they're in season or off season. Which these are also the same people and what I think why we came out and talked about this early on in mind pump was these are also with this whole new Instagram era. You know, we have a lot of these people that are presenting their physiques and how amazing they looked during this competition time that are also giving out

Starting point is 01:20:46 advice to all these people. And I think that was a lot of the passion behind what we are saying with be careful of tracking because that also gets stuck there. Plus, consider this, the industry of muscle building and fitness and that kind of stuff. If there's a bit of a self-selection bias there, right? Because people who are attracted to compete,

Starting point is 01:21:06 a probably a larger percentage of them have body image issues anyway. So you've already got a dysfunctional, a high level of dysfunction in that case, moving into a space that then encourages more dysfunction because you've got to get super-regimated with your diet and everything else. And you're being judged by your appearance,

Starting point is 01:21:24 which you've already got issues with your appearance. So it just feeds it even further. So yeah, to make the claim that there's more eating disorders and issues with food and body image issues in fitness, then in almost any other field, except for maybe modeling and other fields that are similar, I 100% but yeah, I would bet money on that for sure. Next question is from Brenda Ferias 51.

Starting point is 01:21:46 Do you think entrepreneurship is becoming the cool thing now? Seems like everyone wants to build a business. I almost hate using the term now because it's hot right now. It is so hot right now. You're so hot right now. Yeah. Yeah. A little zoo enter.

Starting point is 01:22:00 I'm a entrepreneur. Yeah. No, it is. It's become, it has become a very, but I mean, it's because the time we're in. I mean, how cool is it that you could literally turn on one of these social media platforms with it be Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, one of them and whether it be through knowledge, through pictures, through entertainment, you can gain a audience all over the world that are paying attention to you

Starting point is 01:22:29 for whatever those specific things you're talking about. And then you could turn around and build a legitimate solid business. That's a fucking really cool time to be an entrepreneur. Exciting, it's hell. Yeah, I mean, that way, it's so crazy that you see all these brick and mortars, I mean, I think the whole entrepreneur landscape is gonna look so fucking different.

Starting point is 01:22:49 Dude, it's 10 years. 20 to 30 years ago, if you wanted to be an entrepreneur, this is what you did. You either got a loan or you borrowed money or maybe you saved a bunch of money because you wanted to open up and mom's basement. You had to open up a shop or a store or a location. You had to buy something for the most part.

Starting point is 01:23:07 There were other business you could do mail order, but you still had to invest a certain amount of money. So let's say you're in fitness, you wanna get in the fitness industry, you wanna own your own business. You're gonna, you probably 20, 30 years ago, yeah. 30 to 50 to 60 thousand dollars back then

Starting point is 01:23:23 to open up a store to maybe $10,000 to start something to go. And then you have to go through the regulations of your state and your city, then you're limited to the people around you because you have a physical location. So entrepreneurship in the past had so many barriers to enter the market.

Starting point is 01:23:42 There were all these barriers you had to jump. You need this much money to open a store. You need to understand regulations and taxes in this and that, you need to be able to get, you know, reach out to all, just to the local people around you. So you're limited on that. There's another barrier. The barriers to enter the market now are so small,

Starting point is 01:24:01 it's silly. Like to start a podcast, you need maybe 500 to $1500 for equipment and you need a room. And that's it, you've got a business. Yeah, and it's crazy. And I know this is like the new buzz term, right? The gig economy, but it kind of helps to kind of define that there's so much opportunity out there now.

Starting point is 01:24:24 Like you could literally just drive people around and make money. There's just so many ways to make money now. What does entrepreneur even mean? Like, for me, it's more like, do you own a business? Is it a profitable business? Like even more than startup used to be the new term

Starting point is 01:24:39 everybody used, which was obnoxious as fuck. It's just like, I own a business where I don't own a business. You know, I'm raising money or whatever. Well, I think why I didn't like it is because it's kind of, it used to be something that I was proud of. Right, I was really proud to say I'm an entrepreneur

Starting point is 01:24:53 because back when we started, back when I, the first business I ever did, almost 20 years ago, I mean, you're a risk taker. Right, I was a risk taker. You were kind of like, you were, they're rebel. Now you're like, I'm an entrepreneur like,

Starting point is 01:25:04 you know, it's like having an inch word. So, yeah, you have an inch around. The sound just hit it right on the head right there. Like, oh, you're an entrepreneur. Oh, you mean you have an Instagram and a Twitter? You don't say like, you sure? Everybody, yeah, everybody is an entrepreneur now. So, it has kind of lost its lustre to be,

Starting point is 01:25:19 to say that you are an entrepreneur, but. You've got more people trying the barriers of dropped and the generous, so our generations heroes weren't these young kids who dropped out of college who started a business. When we were kids, our heroes were athletes, musicians, and movie stars. Today's heroes of kids are, if they are an entertainment, it's a YouTube star who's self-made,

Starting point is 01:25:46 or these Gary V type. That's right, or a podcast dose. Or when you ask a kid today, a 20-year-old kid, like name some of the most influential people, like, oh, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs. Like, these are guys that, you know, what's his name, Zuckerberg. These are guys that started when they were kids

Starting point is 01:26:04 out of their basements and started a business. So now it's cool to wanna take risks and do that and combine that with the lower baritone enter the market. Fuck, man, I think it's gonna be, it's exciting. I think it's great. I think it's gonna change the landscape. You're gonna see more failures, of course.

Starting point is 01:26:22 You see a lot more people try and fail because just because the barriors to enter the market are lower. I think it doesn't mean it's all easier. You're gonna see more failures of course. You say a lot more people try and fail because just because the barriers to enter the market are lower. I think it doesn't mean it's all easier. I think it's changing too what it looks like. I mean, even ourselves, like it's this it's this race to be able to provide as much free content and information as you possibly can to your audience so that you can get you can gain there. But don't you already see like the disruption of all this, this old kind of formula, the way that even people talk

Starting point is 01:26:49 and carry themselves professionally anymore. And like, you know, in positions, obviously, see Trump how he's destroyed what a president, you know, sounds like and looks like. And, you know, that on every end of being a business person, you know, like I'm not wearing a suit, you know I'm not or you I don't like care if I say fuck Did someone just drop Gary V? I mean, that's a perfect. That's a perfect example that you want to what's the last? Oh, you didn't say it. No, you said Gary V. No, I

Starting point is 01:27:16 Yeah, yeah, it must have been just as a oral wind it well, he's yeah, no, it wasn't but I mean I'm a fan of everything that he's doing. And I think that that's he's a classic example. I mean, one's last time you've seen, I mean, in our generate, our earlier years, 20 years ago, a multi-millionaire dude walking around with a beanie on his head, talking to, you know, using the F bomb. And so I mean, it's definitely completely flipped on it.

Starting point is 01:27:39 It's totally different. It's made a competitive. And I think it's, I think it's a good time. I think it's a good time to be a quote unquote entrepreneur right now, but because the entry is so low to get in and because it there's so many opportunities for people, I also think it's become extremely competitive and you see a lot of failures. Yeah. A lot of failures and a lot of people never really getting off the ground. But you know what? I don't, here's in the past, when you failed, if you started a business 20 or 30 years ago,

Starting point is 01:28:09 I'm here. Most businesses failed within the first two years. I think it's like 70% within the first two years. No, it's high. That's over 80. Okay, and then after like five years, it's like 90% something like that, right? You probably lost, you know, tens of thousands

Starting point is 01:28:24 or a hundred,000 lost. Like that's it. I've had businesses that has failed. I've lost a lot of money doing that, right? Today, it's time, you lose time. I don't think you're losing as much money today when you start a business because the barrier to enter the market is so low.

Starting point is 01:28:41 Like again, if you want to start a podcast, it might cost you $1,000 of equipment as long as you have a decent room to record in. And you'll have a podcast that sounds incredible. Now, give yourself some time, maybe a year to build that podcast, but if it doesn't succeed, you've lost time. Now, don't you think that there's kind of an illusion

Starting point is 01:28:57 that's been created too, that I think is false, that you see because of these social media platforms before mediums like podcasting like YouTube, like Instagram, they're part of that strategy. You still see a lot of these fake it to your, you make it. And so I think it puts out this perception for this younger generation that's coming up. They see these guys like, oh man, I want to be just like, you know, mind pump Justin and

Starting point is 01:29:21 I he's, he's my hero and I'm into Star Wars and he started a podcast and you know, look how successful he is. You know, so it's quite the shoes to fill. But my point is that, you know, nobody sees the behind the scene shit. Nobody even knows what we really pay ourselves with this company and stuff like that. Nobody knows those, you don't know that shit. And it's nowhere near as glamorous as like everybody likes to make it on fucking Instagram. You know, all you see is the flashy shit.

Starting point is 01:29:48 They'll go weed it out. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, real fast. But what I think it's causing is it's causing so many people to rush into it, thinking that it's just so easy, I gotta turn this social media platform on and turn this podcast on and then I should be. Well, hey, man, if we weren't all entrepreneurial minded individuals, mind pump wouldn't be here because we didn't make a dime for a year.

Starting point is 01:30:11 But longer than a year, we didn't make a dime. So for a year, we didn't make a quarter for their year. And exactly, we didn't make shit. So we literally worked for basically two years, for free a lot. Yeah. And we still pay ourselves very little compared to, what we should or could or whatever,

Starting point is 01:30:29 because we see that that's that mindset, right? That you have to have. So yeah, there's gonna be a lot of failures for sure. But luckily, they're not, the barriers are low. So what I think of this is what I think of. I think there's some kid in some inner city who's poor, maybe he's got a single mom or single dad, and he or she is like brilliant,

Starting point is 01:30:52 but they just don't have the capital to start a business the old school way, but because the barriers at the market are so low now, they can fucking enter the market. They've got that mindset and they can succeed, and that's what I like about it. I like it that the new landscape has opened up for way more people.

Starting point is 01:31:07 And that is better for everyone. Yeah, I didn't think about like people that had like ridiculously awesome ideas, but they just weren't funded or they didn't have access, you know, to build a percentage. So now there's that. Yeah, deaf for sure. This is why too I don't hate on companies.

Starting point is 01:31:20 Like, I mean, we used to talk shit about shreds, but by no means was it hate, you know what I'm saying? I think the model that they built was they paved the way for so many of these people on Instagram now how to monetize and to do it that way. I mean, they really set out the blueprints for many, many people later. And I think we're evolving it and it's getting better already. So I don't know, it's such a it's such a cool time to be trying to build a business right now. I've had more fun building this business than almost any other business that I've ever done.

Starting point is 01:31:49 Barnum. I mean, so fun. So, yeah. Next up is Smith SD. How did you guys meet your current significant other? Well, Justin was just sharing this the other day on the podcast. Yeah. Was it just recently?

Starting point is 01:32:00 Yeah, it was still like, I was like, yeah, one or two ago at the gym. Yeah, so I was like, yeah. You pulled colder. Yeah, I called colder it was like yeah one or two ago at the gym. Yeah, so I was at cold colder. Yeah, I called I had this list That Adam actually gave me and it was like you know sort of proving grounds Like so weird that he put the best man after that. I thought what the fuck bro I'm at least guy you're a Sissy. I mean he did have I not get in the in the wedding dude. We weren't we weren't deep enough then

Starting point is 01:32:22 Yeah, I guess I guess that wasn't it. Yeah. Yeah, so I, I mean, I called her and got her in and it was one of those things. I, you just hit it off as far as the rapport goes and so was it like love it for sight for you? Was it one of those or was it more like, I don't know, I was very infatuated. Like I was very curious with, I was like, wow, I wonder where this is gonna go, you know?

Starting point is 01:32:44 And nothing was crossing her mind at all. So it was completely a hard sell the entire way through. But yeah, that was where it all started, man. And I went through some barriers. She had a boyfriend at the time. The guy was a total asshole. Were you hurt somewhere? To cry up?

Starting point is 01:33:03 A little bit. Yeah, like, oh yeah, that guy. Yeah, he's terrible for you. Here, let me spot you on the squats. Yeah, exactly. I think I made an inappropriate comment to her one time. She's wearing these shorts and she texts like what time she was supposed to come in the next day and I was like,

Starting point is 01:33:20 please wear those. I was like, I appreciate those shorts from today. Oh, did you regret it? At first, she was, she was got I was like, I appreciate those shorts from today. Did you regret it? At first, she was got weirded out, but I think she liked it. Of course, obviously she did. That was a risk. What if she did a high risk?

Starting point is 01:33:34 I wish she was here right now. She's like, you know, actually, I almost never came back because of that comment. Yeah, almost ruined it. It could happen. What was that first session like where you just, were you kind of flirting and not even realizing you were trying to flirt?

Starting point is 01:33:47 Yeah, I was a little awkward. I mean, at that time, I was a little more, I came straight from Chicago, so I was a little bit like at a shape, you know? And I remember that because I, she remembers it vividly that when I was bending over to grab something like I had tolly should butt crack. No. I just told me that later I was like, I'm something like I had tolly should butt crack No, she told me that later. I was like a

Starting point is 01:34:07 Marta Fibina, so that was like my first impression. I wasn't given off a whole lot of crack. You almost shit your pants in front of her Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's when you knew it all out there's white be right this is white be material right here She ain't going away after all this. Thank you I was like wow this is going great. I've been throwing all my worst at her. Do you still around? Do you remember some of the first things that, when you guys were first kind of dating

Starting point is 01:34:32 or getting to know each other that stood out to you that where she was so different than any other woman that you dated before? Yeah, I think it was partially, it was her loyalty in just the way that her caring nature, like her grandma at the time was like going through a bunch and was sick and she would make special trips and like

Starting point is 01:34:51 to go get her food and like, when I finally got her to date and go on dates with me, like we actually would go out with her grandma and we'd go shopping with her and we'd do stuff. It was just like, I just knew like that type of, I don't know, the way that she cared about people was like super attractive. and we do stuff, it was just like, I just knew that type of, I don't know the way that she cared about people was like super attractive. Dude, that is such a,

Starting point is 01:35:09 to a relationship oriented man, because obviously if you just wanted to have sex, you would be like, oh, we're gonna hang out with your grandma. Yeah. But to a relationship oriented man, that is a huge turn on that a woman is nurturing and caring for what it's an instinctual thing, I think. Yeah, I was weird. It was like, yeah, I mean, it was that and like she was just witty. You know, like she she'd throw it right back at

Starting point is 01:35:31 me because I would give her some jabs and stuff and she was just like totally sharp and yeah, that was that was those two things were huge for me. You would think it's biologically advantageous for you to want somebody. Of course, you know, I'm saying like you as a man subconsciously, you're thinking like, oh, this is the woman who could take care of my kids and this and that, you probably, that's probably going on. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking that far in the future, but totally now in retrospect. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:52 That's the whole stereotype where they say, you know, the way to a man's heart is through his stomach by cooking for him. That's part of it. You know, that whole nurturing, like, and it's true, man, you ever have a woman do something like that for you automatically, like, oh, I think I like you a lot. Yeah, right, right. It's awesome. What about you, Sal?

Starting point is 01:36:07 So I first, I didn't really meet Jessica at first, but I saw her. So I had my wellness facility. I had sold it because we were doing my pump, and I knew that at some point that was all we were gonna do. We weren't monetizing, really, we weren't do. We weren't monetizing really at all. We weren't actually, we weren't monetizing at all. So we weren't paying ourselves anything,

Starting point is 01:36:28 but I knew that was direction. So I sold the facility to a trainer that worked under me, who was kind of like my top trainer. But after I sold it, she allowed me to continue training there and paying her rent, because again, I wasn't making money, so I needed to make money. At this time, over the past five years or whatever, was a slow decline of my marriage

Starting point is 01:36:51 and it was terrible. It was really, really bad, no communication. It was like strangers in the same house. And so it was just really bad. I'm at work, just doing my job. I'd come to my pump, do that, go home, try and hang out my kids. And I knew the direction it was going. At this time, I remember I came

Starting point is 01:37:09 to work one day, and there was someone sitting at the front desk with their back facing me, but it was someone different. It's a small studio, I knew everybody that was in there. And so I was like, oh, okay, that's a new person, whatever. But they were really like, they were like, nose deep in a book. They were just, their head was down. I could see the book and they were reading. So I was like, okay, so I ignored them and I went and trained my client.

Starting point is 01:37:31 So as I'm training my client every once in a while, I would look over to see who this new person was. I couldn't figure out if it was a client of one of the trainers that was new or if it was a new trainer that was there because maybe the new person that owned the facility brought a new trainer on board had no idea. So every once in a while I'd look over and I looked over this one moment and she looked up

Starting point is 01:37:53 and I think she was looking up at the clock and she had these glasses on and right away I'm like, oh she's pretty. Well that's a pretty girl. Is she working here? Okay, that's interesting. But keep in mind, the state of mind that I'm in, that my marriage is for sure ending.

Starting point is 01:38:09 My state of mind, I did not, I wasn't trying to check out women, or that was actually the last thing in my mind. The first thing in my mind was, how am I gonna survive this? And I just wanna take care of my kids, and I just wanna do a good job with my work. Like, I wanna be able to,

Starting point is 01:38:23 I don't wanna collapse, because you could feel the way, I could feel the way, like, oh fuck, this could destroy me. So I had no intentions of dating or anything, I don't wanna add any fucking extra to my life at all. But I did notice this pretty girl who was fucking reading a book so deeply that she didn't even pay attention to anybody around her.

Starting point is 01:38:39 So that was the first time that I saw her. Fast forward, maybe a few weeks later, I ran into Jessica a couple of the times and just said hi to her small short conversation. And you know, she was reading again, I looked at the book, she was reading, I can't remember what it was, but it was really like deep book. I'm like, oh, you're going to school right now? And she's like, oh, no, you know, just just something I'm reading. And I'm like, oh, you're going to school right now? And she's like, oh no, I'm just just something I'm reading. And I'm like, oh shit, she's reading that for fun. That's kind of cool.

Starting point is 01:39:09 So I said, hey, if you're into like learning about things, I have a podcast. And at the time, you know, we all had done this thing where we were like, listen, if you find somebody with a phone, grab their phone, and subscribe them to Mind Pump, because we want to download. It's fucking to a point I haven't been able to run. So I said, hey, let me see you. I want to download. It's fucking do it for you.

Starting point is 01:39:25 I never heard around. So I said, hey, let me see your. I forgot about those. I said, do you listen to podcast? She's like, no, not really. She's like, how do you do that? And I'm like, let me see your phone. So I took her phone and I subscribed her to Mind Pump.

Starting point is 01:39:35 And then I told her, listen, if you leave us a review and everybody likes it, you'll get a free t-shirt. So if you win, you'll get a t-shirt and you have a good chance of doing it. It's totally soliciting. It's absolutely. Oh, it's closing. I was just closing, right?

Starting point is 01:39:46 She's like, OK, so she takes the phone. Little did I know, she became a huge fan of the show. So she started, she listened to one, so this is her telling me, she listened to one episode and then she started just listening to these episodes back to back and really enjoyed it. In fact, she became nervous. Later on, she told me she was nervous working around me

Starting point is 01:40:02 because she thought that I would judge her training because I'm this, you know, the stuff that we talk about on the show. But anyway, so she's doing this. And there was one discussion we had where she was talking to me about the carbs. And she's like, all carbs are bad. And I'm like, well, not really.

Starting point is 01:40:19 I mean, it depends on the context. And we had this like discussion or debate, but she was very like strong with her opinion and very smart. What she wasn't like super stubborn, but she was very smart and I told her, I said, wow, I said, you're really opinionated and she got offended like, excuse me.

Starting point is 01:40:35 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not giving you an insult. I'm just saying that you have strong opinions. That's kind of cool. So that was all that. Fast forward, maybe another week later, I left my house, so that was it, marriage was done, I left. And I had my bag with me, I was gonna go stay with my brother.

Starting point is 01:40:54 But before I did that, I actually came to the gym because I needed some space to be quiet. So I'm at the gym, at my gym, or my old gym, you know, lights are on, I'm just sitting there, just thinking I have my suitcase there. And it's fucking, I don't know, nine o'clock at night, Jessica walks in. And I'm like, what are you doing here?

Starting point is 01:41:11 She's like, oh, she's like, well, I met someone here to go on a date and I saw the lights on, so I just came inside and she's like, and he stood me up or whatever. So I'm like, oh, cool. So we had this great conversation and I told her I left the house and we had this great conversation.

Starting point is 01:41:24 And so we kind of became friends and then we set up a time to hang out with a bunch of friends and then that's when I just, we sat down, we talked for five or six hours till like four o'clock in the morning, totally fell in love with her at that moment and then told myself I would never contact her again, I could not have a relationship and she called me the next day. So she was, she's the first, she called me back and then that was it. We just started doing right this Restless history. That's it. But it was definitely one of those like lightning bolt like I can't Like I have okay. I got I got to give into this because I can't I can't deny I remember that time Dude I remember you going through all that you know

Starting point is 01:42:00 I don't think I've share I've shared like bits and pieces of Katrina and I story I think on an interview that where I got interviewed somewhere, I don't remember which one I got a little bit deeper into it. But on here, I don't think I've shared like I actually met Katrina before, way before we even did business together and way before we even, uh, even thought about even conversing or talking or dating. Um, she used to come into our gym. And in fact, she remembers us playing basketball against each other. I don't remember that because she played ball. And so supposedly she remembers years before we even got together of playing

Starting point is 01:42:34 basketball together in the gym, where I do remember her was I had a girlfriend at the time. So I had a girlfriend that I was with for two years at that time or right around that time. And I had a good friend of mine, Paulo, really smart dude, good looking. He's an ex-model, just a good ass dude. And I remember seeing the kind of the girls that he'd kind of bring around a date. I'm be like, dude, when are you gonna date a girl

Starting point is 01:42:56 like a woman at your level or above, dude? That's just gonna, I could see you with for a long time. You keep dating all these little cute girls that you, and what I saw, I saw myself in him because this was my ammo. I used to date girls with the sign on the back that said, fuck, and help me. You know what I'm saying? Like I love being the... Re-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e after the women that I needed to fix, right? And this is me obviously reflecting as I'm older looking back now,

Starting point is 01:43:25 I didn't know what the fuck I was doing back then, but I could see this in my buddy. And he's talking to this girl and it's Katrina. And I don't know who she is at the time and he's kind of telling me about her and I'm like, do this girl sounds fucking cool, man. And she comes in one day and she drops in, I think she dropped them off food

Starting point is 01:43:43 or dropped them off like something nice. I don't remember what it was. But that was the first time I met her. And I say, oh, hi, introduce myself. And I saw she was gorgeous. And I'm talking to him and I'm like, dude, you need to, like this is the type of girl you need to be with. And I'm in a happy relationship. So I'm thinking like, you know, double dating

Starting point is 01:43:59 here's my buddy, like, let's back up dude. We went on a double date together. So I was with my girlfriend of the time and Paulo was with Katrina. And I this so that was the first time that we actually really met and what a lot of people don't know Katrina knows this now. But uh Paulo as good look he was he was so good looking that he got all the women from how good we go to a bar together like the two of us together and the hottest chicks in the in the place would come talk to us. And I remember like teasing him all the time because he used to talk like he had

Starting point is 01:44:30 big, he had all this game, you know, like, oh man, he's all every, you no matter what, we go to the bar. I get hard for you. Yeah, right. Exactly. So that was I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know how much game you have or that you're just fucking gorgeous for. Just fucking gorgeous and you, your that he's tall, he's good looking, he's a model,

Starting point is 01:44:46 you know what I'm saying? So I remember seeing that and when he was talking to Katrina, he would always like show me the text messages that she was saying, hey, she just said this, you know, what should I say? And so I would give him the stuff to say back to her. So a lot of the conversation that him and her hat all the time was really me sitting next to him going like,

Starting point is 01:45:04 no, no, no, no, don't say that, say this. like, no, no, no, no, don't say that. Say this. No, no, no, no, don't say this. Say this, right? So later on, this was found out like when Katrina and I had been together for a really long time, but that was originally how I met and first saw Katrina and I knew. And then they ended up not dating, you know, they only dated for a short little short window, like two months or so, and they just went their separate ways. And he in fact got back with his ex-girlfriend at that time. And so he kind of went back to his old patterns and she had moved on doing her own thing. But what I did know when I, this short time that I did meet her, I knew that she owned

Starting point is 01:45:38 this massage clinic. And so at this time in my career, I've now, this is fast forwarding, you know, probably about six months later, maybe even a year. I'm opening up the cannabis clubs. And once those things get up and rolling, one of the things that was common to do is to offer like these free services to your patients or your guests. You know, I had this long line of people waiting in my lobby. And so one of the things I would do to drive traffic to my facility, I was one of the first facilities I ever do this was to I had these chair massages. So you come in this lobby and so while you're waiting in line, because we are busing that many people

Starting point is 01:46:14 through this place, that you could see, sometimes at the waiting in this lobby for 20, 30 minutes before you could go in and buy your cannabis. We all experienced this together just recently, we had to wait in this long line. Imagine if you guys were sitting down with a chair getting a nice chair massage, waiting for your next turn to go up.

Starting point is 01:46:28 So I did this, right? Well, I went to her company to provide these services. And at that time, she's single, but I'm still dating my girlfriend at the time. And so we actually just had this kind of friendship, business slash friendship. Her company was providing a service to my company. Once I believe once a month we met to get for me to pay up what I owed her and kind of go over, like we were kind of changing the

Starting point is 01:46:54 service and the hours and the people. And so, you know, every time I go down to her office, we'd sit down and we'd chat and we'd talk business. And, you know you know, it was the first girl in my life that I started to fall in love with her at her mind and our connection and relationship over the physical aspect. Like every other relationship in my life, the hot chick that I see, introduce myself, oh and we hit it off, she's funny, we're cool, we get along, we have fun, we're into the same things, like oh yeah, you're a girlfriend of mine. Like, that was kind of like my past. Well, this was the first time.

Starting point is 01:47:30 Much deeper. Much, much deeper. And in fact, like, I didn't have, like, people asked me, oh, was it love at first sight? Like, no, it wasn't love at first sight. Shit, I was trying to hook rope with my buddy. I'm saying like, it wasn't like that at all. But as I got to know her, I became very attracted

Starting point is 01:47:43 to a lot of these qualities that I found in her that I never found in anybody else. And so, I mean, I'll meet up and every time we meet up to do business, I'd start to give her books that I was reading and quotes. Or she'd share with me what she was reading and would share quotes back and forth. And I started to build this relationship with her that I never had with anybody else. And then I was single. And then I'll sudden, my never had with anybody else. And then I was single. And then I'll sudden my relationship ended that with this girl.

Starting point is 01:48:07 Meanwhile, Katrina and I didn't have any sort of, you know, real flirting, which is also why I was attracted to her. I was very attracted that, and I knew when I went into the massage clinic, so part of the deal we had was, I had free massages that I could come in and get massages whenever I wanted. And all the girls in there, they would all fight over

Starting point is 01:48:24 with who's gonna rub me down and some of that who's gonna massage Adam Come in Katrina never massage me so she wasn't touching me She was the business owner. She was all business with me and so you know all the girls would be you could hear I'm giggling and shit when I come in and you hear the gossip and shit But she was never like that with me. She was always super professional and that attracted to me I was very attracted to her for that reason. And so when I became single, now I was interested. Now I was like, okay, well, I'd like to hang out. And we started hanging out. And she was again, another first for me, one of the first girls I ever

Starting point is 01:48:56 hung out with quite a few times. And we didn't do, we didn't have any physical contact. And I remember the first, and she hates me telling the story because she thinks it's such a bad example. But it was a, when I think of the time where I was like, I love this woman, like this is the girl that I want to ride or die with. It was when we were celebrating an event one time and I rented this stretch 20 person limo. We were heading up to San Francisco.

Starting point is 01:49:24 I think we were just celebrating a milestone with the company. I think we just hit a new revenue target or whatever. And so, you know, money was starting to come in. It was good times for us. And I was going out to celebrate. I'm totally single at this time. Katrina's single at this time. I'm talking, whenever I'm single, I'm talking to handful of girls at a time.

Starting point is 01:49:41 And I'm going to go out to San Francisco with my best friend and we've rented a VIP booth and we're gonna take the limo up there and party all the way there, party all the way back. And of course him and I are gonna load it full of girls. I mean that was the be silly to load it full of dudes and go out there. So you know I had three or four girls that I was bringing. He was bringing three or four girls and we're heading up there and I thought, you know what? I fucking really like Katrina. Like I love hanging out with her. We've connected, but we hadn't had anything physical yet and I'm thinking to myself like, you know what? Let's see how fucking cool this chick is. And I remember calling her up and saying, hey, you want to come with me and she's like, okay, cool. That sounds fun. I said, but I have to tell you to be very straightforward with you and tell you that I'm bringing, you know, three other girls there that I, that I'm

Starting point is 01:50:27 pretty sure want to sleep with me. I've been flirting with them. I'm talking to them so that I haven't slept with any of them, but I'm pretty sure they want to. And I've now invited them to go out tonight. So just, and she kind of like laughed and there was like this little moment of silence. And she tells a story really well too from her end because she's like, I've never had somebody tell me to say that. Like just bluntly come out like, and the normal for a guy would be just don't say anything about it, then hopefully you end up going home with one of them, right?

Starting point is 01:50:52 But that wasn't my approach at all. My approach was I'm gonna be fucking radically honest. The girl that I'm, I'm now, I'm 30 years old now. I'm not a fucking spring chicken anymore. And I realize that the girl that I wanna be with, she's going to respect my honesty over maybe exactly what my decisions, like I'm not always gonna make the best decisions in my life, but if I can be honest

Starting point is 01:51:10 with where I'm coming from, I want to be able to be with a partner that respects that, and that's how she handled it. She was just like no big deal about it and she came, and let me tell you, those girls were all over me in the limo and everything, and she was cool. And she never acted jealous about it. She never tried to fight for it.

Starting point is 01:51:27 The other girls were kind of fighting for my time. Whenever they'd find me on the dance floor, one would sneak up behind me and start dancing with me. And anytime they could get alone time, they were all being competitive with each other. Katrina was doing her own thing. She was fine, she was having a blast at the place. I'd come over, talk to her, she'd go off and do her own thing.

Starting point is 01:51:42 And I was incredibly attracted to that. And to see that it did not waver her whatsoever. There was no hints of jealousy. Yeah, that's an independence. When you can connect with someone on a deep level, you have the base for a long-term relationship because at some point, I don't care how fit and healthy you are, you get old. At some point, shit's going to happen. And if it's not based on-

Starting point is 01:52:05 So, if you gotta change your diapers. Yeah, if it's not based on that deep, deep, deep level, then you know what, you know, our looks are fading, bro. No matter how much you want to, I want to believe I want to keep myself looking 20, it's like, I'll tell you what, man. Like, you know, there could be something about Jessica that she hates about herself,

Starting point is 01:52:23 but I'll find it charming because it's a part of her. You know what I'm saying? That's what happens when you connect deeper on someone. So I could imagine totally be attracted to this woman at the age of 80. You know what I'm saying? Because you're connected on such a deep level. So lessons you learn as a man is you. It's also why I think it's man.

Starting point is 01:52:42 And I know we have listeners that have been married since they were young and I think, you know, more power to you, but I think you're a very, very rare, rare, rare person. If you have it all together at that young age and it can actually find a partner that is on your level, and the reason why- I think you can, but you both have to be so growth-minded and willing to grow together. Right. If you're not both in that same boat, and then if resentment builds up, I'm an expert on this, because I did it for 15 years. If resentment starts to build up

Starting point is 01:53:11 and one of, or both sides of the part of the relationship, is not willing to go in and dive in deep with their own issues. In other words, both people are not totally invested in wanting to figure things out and work things out and be growth-minded. That resentment builds and you add years to that and then it becomes unsolvable. Well, I feel like the first, like, our early 20s, 18 to 25 is centered around a lot of fun and partying and making money and kind of finding your way in shit. And it's like not a lot of it's spent on really diving into your own personal values

Starting point is 01:53:50 and like what do you want? And like who the fuck are you? You know what I'm saying? You're so caught up and running with everybody else that you don't really take the time to really evaluate. Like, you know, what are my non-negotiables or what are the traits that I must have in a partnership? And it's hard to do that when you still don't even fully

Starting point is 01:54:07 know yourself. I mean, I talk all aware, self-aware right now about myself, but fuck, when I was going through that, I was run blind. If you ask me what my, what my, you know, the girl I wanted to be with, I had rattled off all these things like the way she looked or what she's into or the things that we like, like totally different

Starting point is 01:54:23 than the way I feel now. And I think part of that is just giving yourself time to really find out about yourself before you dive into this lifelong. It takes a wrap, man. This is multiple people. That's it. There's my advice for you.

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