Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 735: Kortney Olson- Fitness Entrepreneur & Watermelon Crusher

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Man, was this a little heavy, a little fun, a little bit of, kind of all over the place? We touched some third rails, we had told some like really dark stories like we kind of went all over the place Yeah, I was kind of strapped my seatbelt in Yeah, we first we first met Courtney Well actually I'd seen Courtney before I met her

Starting point is 00:00:35 She had there was a viral video going around Facebook of a very muscular female Smashing a watermelon between her legs and it it went viral. And then, you know, that was it. And much later, maybe, I don't know, months later, Adam and I were doing a talk over at the LA Fit Expo and one of our fans, one of our favorite fans, Aiza, amazing, that's her name. She walks up to say hi to us and brings with her, her friend, Courtney Olson.

Starting point is 00:01:04 So Courtney walks up and Aiza to us and brings with her her friend Courtney Olson, so Courtney walks up and both and I says pretty buff too. So these two girls come up and they're built in a strong wind and strongly. And it's strongly Sal and I are intimidated. Yeah, right away I'm like, of course, you guys could beat us up. I'm normally I feel confident in that situation.

Starting point is 00:01:19 I can back Sal up, but I'm in a boot, I'm on crutches. I'm so disappointed we didn't have Sal arm wrestle. I know. What a missed opportunity. It'll happen and it'll happen. You know arm wrestling, yeah, that would have been great. I just want it because she was strong, but anyway. She was strong.

Starting point is 00:01:32 They walk up and immediately you're like, oh shit, these chicks are built, right? And then I recognize, you know, Isaiah. So I was like, hey, what's going on? She's like, let me choose my friend Courtney. And that first thing to recognize her, but she's definitely, she definitely stands out. She's got all this me choose my friend Courtney. And that first we had a recognizer, but she's definitely, she definitely stands out. She's got all this charisma, all this energy.

Starting point is 00:01:47 And then she's like, oh, I'm the one that smashed the watermelon, you know, between my legs. And right away I'm like, that's you. I know exactly what I'm like. So we talked to her for like 10 minutes and she went controversy like out the gates. Like she's not afraid of saying whatever. She came in hot.

Starting point is 00:02:04 And it was great. Dude, so right away when she leaves, you know, Adam and I are like, we need to get on the show because this girl is entertaining and we'll talk about whatever and this could be really good. And I'm glad we did. We had on the show and she talked about her personal story. Dark, there's some dark moments in her story. I mean, she's very open.

Starting point is 00:02:23 Like she does not hesitate saying exactly, you know, what happened to her. I mean, she's very open, like she does not hesitate, saying exactly what happened to her or the stuff that she's gone through. She was addicted to meth at one point alcoholic, found resistance training. She did the whole muscle worship thing. I mean, it's a very interesting episode, for sure. Some shocking moments in this episode. And then we touched it and danced on some third rails,

Starting point is 00:02:46 and I went off a little bit, so I'm sure some of you guys will like that or some of you will hate that. We'll see what happens. People that love controversy will love this. Yeah, so now you can find Courtney on Instagram. It's Courtney spelled with the K-K-O-R-T-N-E-Y underscore Olsen-O-L-S-O-N. She also has a YouTube channel, Courtney Olsen,

Starting point is 00:03:06 and her website is girl.com. I mean, G-R-R-R-L.com. And then they have this event that they do in Vegas. It's like this empowerment event. I think it's April 20th and 29th. And I believe you can get the information for it on that website that I had just said.

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Starting point is 00:04:34 She did some interesting stuff on that. Yeah, man, we're trying to introduce all kinds of interesting things on YouTube. So just, you know, make sure you guys are subscribed if you're not already, because we're definitely adding some entertainment. We're adding more educational stuff and a lot of these interviews we continue now from bringing in interviews. We'll take it onto YouTube. Exactly. So without any further ado, here we are talking to Courtney Olson.

Starting point is 00:04:58 The boys and I were super excited to have you down here. I mean, you got fucking incredible energy. I mean, I'm just, I'm attracted to other humans that have it. That's what I'm saying. I saw that I saw the poster earlier for sure. That's not quite my jam, but I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it, though. Sal does. Yeah, he's kind of the hippie.

Starting point is 00:05:19 That's where the pheromones accumulate. Clowns. So you gotta have the phew. Anyway, so, I'm's kind of the hippie. That's where Pharamones accumulate clowns. So you gotta have the... Anyway, so we met you at the... Was it the LA Fit Expo, right?

Starting point is 00:05:33 Yes. And one of our... Isa. Isa. Isa. Isa. I would call her Isa for a year. I know.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Isa. Damn it. It's amazing. Yeah, I am the worst at it. So we love her. She's been following us forever. I think that was our first time actually meeting her. Maybe second time. She loves. She has got the gift of evangelism. She's like, you have got to got me these guys. Oh, we love her. So she brings you over and right away we meet you and your energy is just it's obviously contagious. And we're talking my cold contagious talking. My cold's contagious too. Oh yeah, I'm terrible.

Starting point is 00:06:06 I was kidding, I got on in on the Alex yesterday. And we're looking at you, I'm like, this is the girl that crushed the watermelon. You boy. In the video, I didn't put it together until afterwards. Yeah, yeah, I was like, I got a recognizer from somewhere and we're talking and then when you said it, I was like,

Starting point is 00:06:20 oh, that's where I recognize you so. That's the one. Oh. Yeah, you're like really strong. I am and I'm not like. What do you mean? Oh, that's a good look. Is that a good look?

Starting point is 00:06:33 That is a good look. They're just there. I just had to. It's not really a cool stuff. That's my alter ego shades. Is that it? Yeah. So I'm really excited to dive into your story.

Starting point is 00:06:44 And I want to, I know you've got all kinds of stuff. So I don't know where we should start if we go back before your fitness journey or if that's part of it, how you got into fitness. But kind of take us off from when you first got into it or what led you, I should say, into fitness. Okay, so I'll give you the kind of semi condensed version because I'm a little bit of a nego maniac

Starting point is 00:07:04 and I love to hear myself talk, but I also know that. I'll come to the group. Yeah, like I'm in this chair and you gave me like this cold brew nitro that just I'm jacked. So, you know, just that, you're the wind of fire. Go away, we'll interrupt you.

Starting point is 00:07:19 We have no problem. I don't want to do it. Please interrupt me if it's too long. I have a feeling I won't be boring, but. So the full back story, grew up, you guys know where Eureka is? Yes. Yeah, Eureka Tuika. We'll technically carve her back.

Starting point is 00:07:32 Way up there. Yeah, way up there. Group there out in the back woods, you know, mom's an alcoholic, you know, who wasn't snorting coke in the 80s, right? So it was born in 81. Grew up up there, product of divorce. Grew up hating my body, absolutely hating my legs, could never fit in any of my cousins' clothes or my friends and you know what, often stay over at their house because my parents would work out of town and so I just always felt like

Starting point is 00:07:59 uncomfortable in my skin. But as a product of divorce, do any of you come from divorced families? Yes. My father committed suicide and my mom married into an abusive relationship and then divorced. Yes. Okay. So a lot of us do and we don't realize how much of an impact

Starting point is 00:08:17 that has on us as young people. So I didn't know that at the time, obviously. But as a result, and having, do any of you have an alcoholic parent or grandma or anyone in the family? Yeah, so it affects a lot of people. I didn't realize the impact that all this shit would have in my life at the time, but as a result from all of this, by the time I got to junior high, I started counting calories.

Starting point is 00:08:38 And then by the time I got to high school, I went down the path of anorexia and bulimia. And then by the time my senior year of high school rolled around, I found methamphetamines. And I mean, I was like the all around top notch, like perfect kid. I was going to Stanford on a four-eyed scholarship. I was in it. What was it for? I was in it, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:08:56 No, no, what were you set a full-eyed scholarship for? No, I was just going to Stanford. Oh, wow. I just say that as part of the story. Okay, well, that's a cool part. Yeah, it's a good part. I was going to Stanford on a four-hour scholarship because it sounds good. And I was in a Christian rock band.

Starting point is 00:09:10 Me and Jesus Christ were tight, right? Wow. Yeah. So as captain of cheerleading teams started the first girls golf team and like nobody could figure it out and the associate student body president. But I found math and I kept doing it because I lost a bunch of weight. And so nine months down the road, one of my teachers finally figured it out and he said, why are you doing it? And I was like, we're talking about it. And I said, because I was losing, you know, I wanted to lose weight. So he put me in contact with this drug counselor and he sent me to a guy

Starting point is 00:09:41 who was an ex-Golden gloves fighter fighter, the 72-year-old man named Bob Ross. And he said, right, I know, I have this perfect guy. He's got a boxing class. He'll help you, you know, he'll sort you out, so on and so forth. So went to this guy's boxing class and he took a liking to me very much so, right? So he said, I'm going to make you my last prize fighter before I retire. I want to come over to my house, order some equipment, watch some tapes, so on and so forth. Three days clean, I was 17, and got to his house, and when I got there, he had a Conyac, a sifterful of Conyac, and not realizing at the time that alcohol drugs, same thing, same difference.

Starting point is 00:10:26 So it took a drink, woke up, and this man was inside of me. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know a bit intense to start out a story, but it's a big part of the story of how I got to where I was, right? So woke up, that was a bit shocking, and got him off of me, got out of there, and from that point moving forward, I just went down this extremely dark spiral

Starting point is 00:10:45 path of, you know, because he never called me and was like, Oh my God, please don't tell anybody or, you know, are you okay? Is he talking to anybody at this time? No. And I assumed it was my fault. I was like, I must have let him on. You know, I shouldn't have taken the drink, this, that and the other. So from that point, it was just like this really big downward spiral. I wound up at Sonoma State. So that's Sonoma State University and that's when my alcoholism started kicking off.

Starting point is 00:11:13 So I was like showing up to call all my classes instead of in my coffee cup, I'd have like a screwdriver. I just thought that's what you did at 19. And so I just pissed away all those years, got through a couple years of college, D-Y's, like very angry individual because I didn't realize that I was like walking directly into my mom's footsteps because I didn't know anything about alcoholism. I didn't know that it's hereditary, it's learned behavior, you know, so I was like

Starting point is 00:11:46 literally just walking into her footsteps and developing this disease. And from there, got back on a myth and it was just this horrific battle on and off until I got to, I was 27 and finally got clean and sober for one of the last times, but then I got hooked on pain pills because I hurt my back because I somehow wound up in the muscle fetish world. Oh, so during this period of time you're still training lifting? Yeah, so I started, so I got that, I've always been lifting. I've been obsessed with muscle and wanting to be buff since I was a little girl. Like my first memory of, you know, if you say, oh, would you ask Santa for Christmas?

Starting point is 00:12:31 I was like, oh, fucking weight bench. That's awesome. You know, like I, uh, now where you nat, do you, have you always trained naturally or were you in hand? There was like a two week period where I took an of our, that's it. That's it. So, cause you, you have very, I mean, there's muscle-building genes that are very rare,

Starting point is 00:12:49 and you have them where you look like you build muscle very well, you obviously work hard at it, but you also look feminine, and that's a very hard culmination that you don't necessarily see a lot. It's either like really muscular and masculine or not. I've always been a big girl, or that's the thing. So when I was on that for a few weeks,

Starting point is 00:13:04 I freaked the fuck out because I broke out. That's one thing that I've always had really clear skin and I broke out really bad. But my shoulders went because I've always had massive legs. And then my other half was always quite smaller. And then the last show I did, which was the end of 2015. What's the estrogen blocker? Oh, Nolvadex? Yes, that stuff. I took that for the first time, and I took Cullen for the first time. And that jacked me up.

Starting point is 00:13:35 That was not good. And as far as competing, which one of you is the competitor? Yeah, so doing all of the cuts and all that stuff, like even my first four shows, I never weighed my food. You know, I just wasn't like that proper. I just wanted to go out there and, you know, do my thing. So. So you're doing the muscle worship thing? Yes. So I was, okay, so I know I'm jumping around

Starting point is 00:14:00 all the way. I'm a bit jet lagged. Just got back from the Arnold. It's all right. We're going to piece it all together. Yeah, that's right. Did I tell you to strap your seatbelt on? I see only two of you have a helmet on. I got a helmet on. Okay. They're right in bad joke. I got into lifting. I always had weights in my room through school and stuff. You know, like through high school and everything and my dad

Starting point is 00:14:25 And my brother had a garage gym growing up, you know, so I'd go out there. Do you remember Samantha Fox? Oh, yeah, right. So I think that's why I'm bisexual. I don't know because I heard because of her And they'd always have these like you know the old of like 80s hot posters of the chicks out in the garage or whatever This random and go out there and you and try and lift weights with them. Because I wanted to be like my brother so much growing up. He was eight years older than me. I always tell people this, but I used to try and pee standing up.

Starting point is 00:14:52 Because I wanted to pee like if so bad. My best friend is that dude. He should pee. I wear nice to me as well. Yeah. Get this nitro coffee out of you. Yeah. So I always have been around wanting to build muscle and everything.

Starting point is 00:15:10 I was the first, I mean, not the first. I was the only girl on like a T-ball team with 70 boys. Most of my friends growing up was a tomboy. We were riding four wheelers and all this kind of stuff. I'm monster truck and So I've always been in to strength or you know like being one of the boys But as far as like I didn't start properly Training until I got to college and that was kind of like this was what I'm gonna do to stay off meth

Starting point is 00:15:38 But I picked up alcohol and then that was when back in the day when he fed rev course was Totally legal and twin labs was it twin lab was that the brand? No, it's a yeah, so I'm diet pill that whoa, you know, I'd so I'd be super and if Edra is like chemically Similar to methamphetamine. Yes, in fact, you can I think they make meth out of the fedra. Yeah, okay. I'm not a chemist I know there's a word on the street Yeah, you've watched what's that show? Breaking bad. Yes, I do.

Starting point is 00:16:08 I can't watch that. It's too much of a trigger for me. I'm like, oh, I don't want to do it. But so yeah, that's when I started to train. I'd go into the gym and so it was like a tricep pull down and then the leg machine. And I would go in there like every day and just train, train, train.

Starting point is 00:16:24 And that is when I started my journey but unfortunately after a series of you know getting a DUI and near death experiences and not really I didn't realize I was an alcoholic. I just I don't know. How did you realize it at one point did you realize this is a problem? It's us. I can't remember how I wound up in this woman's office, but it was at the university and she gave me a book and it was called Drinking a Love Story. And it was essentially this woman's autobiography about drinking and it kind of resonated a little bit and I kind of started to figure out because I was so angry. Like I would shit on the hood of cop cars and.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Whoa. I would take. Wait a second. I want to hear that story. I want to hear this story. I was so angry. And that second, I wanna hear that story. I wanna hear this story. I was so angry, and that's when I got the KO tattoo. So if you look at a lot of my old videos, this Prince tattoo is relatively new,

Starting point is 00:17:14 and KO is underneath here, they're my initials, but it was like my alter ego, because I thought I was gonna be this big boxing champion, and that was why I went down the path that I did, and did all this methamphetamines and stuff was why I went down the path that I did and did all this methamphetamines and stuff so I could meet this boxing instructor who was going to turn me into a world champion and then actually turn me into something else. Right?

Starting point is 00:17:35 So when I got to school, it was like, you know, I had the KO tattoo and it was like as soon as I drank, it was just like, KO bitch, like I try and fight like a 90 year old woman with a walker Oh, you know, I'm like what you look at bitch like Courtney. She's 90 with a walker calm down Nobody's looking at you sideways. I was just nuts. So you know, I fucked the police and even though I was like Criminal justice was my Area So whenever cuz I've been yeah, so whenever, because I then, I got you some worship.

Starting point is 00:18:06 Yeah, exactly. And when I went off to school, I was like, I'm going to go on the FBI and I want to bust every drug addict out there and, you know, I'm going to change the world and mentor all these young girls and stuff. So you just, you just, a lot of anger, a lot of internal anger. A lot of internal anger.

Starting point is 00:18:21 And so I took that out through drinking and not realizing that that's what I was doing. And I was talking about drinking beer in the shower at like 10 o'clock in the morning and then I'd go train. You know, like I just didn't, I didn't know because there's not enough education around it. Even though I'm, you boys remember dare.

Starting point is 00:18:37 Yeah, like what? What? Just say no. Just say no. Most ineffective. Exactly. Exactly. You know, tell me to do, you know, watch me, motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:18:47 You know? So it was really, it was a, it was a difficult time, but that's when I started training. But again, I, after I got my second DUI, dropped out of school, moved back home to Eureka, and then I started drinking and smoking math. And that's when I just went off the rails. Like, I turned it into a bit of a, I had like a sawed off shotgun.

Starting point is 00:19:07 How old are you right here? No writer, like I was 19, 20. Okay, still young. So it was the day after I turned 21, the legal drinking age, because of course I had a fake ID that whole time. I was like, I need help. I'm supposed to be the first female president

Starting point is 00:19:23 of the United States, which I'm sure we can all appreciate right now. And that's when I went to rehab. And that's when I learned about the disease. I say disease on purpose because people hear the word disease. And at least I do, I think of like a crusty dick that's about to fall off, right? I don't necessarily think of that. Okay, so it's just me. But now I do.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Okay, I'm sorry. I should put the aviators back on and hit the nitro. It's, yeah, I just don't know me one day. I'm like, oh, this opposite of ease, disease. You know, it disease, it says, because there's so much stigma around mental health. Because I know you guys talk about, you know, because it's my and body and mother fucking soul. So as far as like the mental aspect of it,

Starting point is 00:20:08 because I find that most bodybuilders are, especially with women have something they're running from, you know, almost all of it. Yeah, it's rape, it's some kind of trauma, it's body image issues, or whatever, or all of the above. Yeah. So, did you think, did you figure out for yourself what it was that was at the root of your anger and self-destructive behavior? So before the rape, I know that's just such a loaded word for a lot of people. And I'm just apologized for jumping around. I hope you're safe, hold on. Stories are more fun that way. Okay, cool. I, so once I got into recovery,

Starting point is 00:20:46 and like I said, it was a lot in and out a lot, right? So it took me a long time to actually stay clean and sober. So I have eight years without a drink and I'm coming up on eight years without a drug June 14th, but I would go in and out. And in 12-step recovery, you do a lot of work on yourself. You gotta sit down, you gotta take your inventory,

Starting point is 00:21:06 you gotta look at what is your drivers, why are you doing this, so on and so forth. So I had done a lot of work around that stuff and knew that my body image issue and growing up and feeling like I hated my legs and I never fit in and it wasn't good enough and obviously having an alcoholic mother and so on and so forth.

Starting point is 00:21:23 But the real interesting thing is, when I, I'm going to jump forward and then I'll come back and finish up this story. But when I had moved to Australia, I was living on the Gold Coast and I met this guy named Tony Prittle who was an X in RL player. So we played for St. George. Do you guys follow Rugby? I do little blacks. Yeah, So that's rugby union. And then there's rugby league, which is more like enough more like our NFL basically, like without pads on. It's ridiculous. Like, wow,

Starting point is 00:21:55 this is crazy. No helmets. Anyways. And he got into mind work. And he's like, we did our first crossfit session together. And he's like, how do you want to do a session? And I's like, we did our first crossfit session together and he's like, how do you want to do a session? And I was like, yeah, let's do this. And so he, I don't, they call it subconscious psychology was the coin they termed. And you get in this meditative state and then basically you connect to your subconscious mind and you ask a series of questions to find out what your number, your number one limiting belief is. And we do the session and I find out,

Starting point is 00:22:26 so we get into it and they say, what is your number one limiting belief? And I said, I am fat and it's basically whatever comes out of your mouth is the truth. So when you're in the state, you're not really thinking of much because I have extremely difficult time meditating, but this worked.

Starting point is 00:22:43 I could show you later if you want to. So I was just cost you $500 and I'm going to jump. I'm joking. So I got in this meditative state and I came out, I am fat and he said, okay, so how old were you when you had that thought? I said, I was seven and he said, okay, tell me a little bit more about that. And I was waiting for the words to come out to say something about my mom, right? Because as women and men have body image issues too, just as much as women, right? But we talk about it and you guys don't and that's why you guys have a higher suicide rate so on and so forth.

Starting point is 00:23:18 So I knew, I had seen a lot of psychologists and stuff, well, in therapy and trying to figure my shit out. And one psychologist said, you know, your mom growing up as an alcoholic must have said some mean things to you and you just need to cut that anchor off and move forward. And so I was waiting for those words to come out. And then all of this said, and I said, pedophile. And I just sat there in this state.

Starting point is 00:23:41 And I'm like, no words are coming in and no words are going out because you know the mind is constantly just self-talk blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, hmm, kind of like observing. And I'm like, what could that possibly mean? And then all of a sudden, the words just started spewing out of my mouth. When I was seven years old, my best friend growing up, her older brother Gabe took me off into the woods and touched me in some inappropriate places. And it just came out and I'd legit Completely had forgotten about it buried it. It was mind blowing like legitimately mind blowing and what we worked out So this subconscious psychology has a piece of spirituality, right because we are we believe just

Starting point is 00:24:21 Souls having a human experience, yeah, because we often are so in the physical world that we don't often look at the metaphysical world. And so the other piece of it is asking your higher self, your soul, your spirit, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Right? Your guide, what have you intuition, what the message was, and what we worked out was that was the first time I'd ever stopped I stopped listening to my higher self because my higher self, my intuition was like, no, don't go off into the woods with him and as a result I did and it got violated

Starting point is 00:24:55 and it wasn't anything too terribly bad, right? Because there's so much that goes on with that stuff. You know, you start looking about pedophilia and people talking about pizza gate, people are like, aw, I can spiercy theories, like we won't go there because I'll fucking talk here, you're off. But it was just touching still.

Starting point is 00:25:16 It's not okay, but I'm just saying, it's some people hear that word and they lose their shit. But anyway, from that point moving forward, I created this image of myself needing to be ripped up in strong in order to be protected and feel worthy. Because- Like create a shell? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Because if I don't see muscle, like right now, I haven't worked out in a week. And to me, that's a really long time. Like generally speaking, I mean, I might miss a day. I don't have a couple of days. I'm doing something, even if it's like a seven minute workout or whatever, I'll do something. Fucking hundred air squats.

Starting point is 00:25:51 I don't know if I'm on the road, like I will move, but it's been over a week. And that fuck was a lot of fun. What did the healing process from these things that you're uncovering with yourself? What did that look like? Because you said eight years sober. How did you get to that?

Starting point is 00:26:11 Because I'm sure those people listening right now, and I get the sense from you that you feel like part of your calling is to help others. Well, you turned at one point, you turned your weakness into a strength. When did that happen? Because the image that I see and that I know now is this woman who's not afraid to get down in her thong and smash a watermelon and shows any sort of stretch mark on herself. I'm saying like, where did you go from someone who had poor self-image to also making it a strength? I know because I jumped around a bit. So how the process went?

Starting point is 00:26:42 And it's still a journey. And this is what I tell people, people follow me on Instagram. I made a post a couple weeks ago where I'm like, look, if you just started following me, just know, this is a daily thing. I haven't always been this way. I still will catch myself in the mirror sometimes and be like, fuck my ass is so flat. Or I was diagnosed with Graves disease a year ago and as a result like my skin is kind of like sagging a bit more and like just amazing and you know so those thoughts keep coming up but

Starting point is 00:27:14 well this process is it's constantly it's really becoming aware and just understanding of how programmed we are through advertising and media so backing up to the muscle fetish story, okay? So I was, it's kind of funny because I was an internet sales manager for a car dealer group with eight dealerships and I was on the internet and I was on Craigslist. I was looking for some side jobs.

Starting point is 00:27:41 I was looking for some side jobs, okay? And I saw this ad and it was like muscular calf video shoot. Athletes in ballerina need a ply. And I was like, what the hell is this? This, certainly this must be some kind of porn or something. That's weird. So of course I went into a good picture of my calves, going to find out.

Starting point is 00:28:02 And sure enough, this guy got back to me and he was like, yeah, so basically I just film you like flexing your calves and that's essentially it. And I was like in a hundred bucks. That's easy. Yeah, it was like, okay. I could never do that job. Not because I can't do the job,

Starting point is 00:28:18 but because my calf is well. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I get my like program. It's 50% off code art. That's a beautiful plug. Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Jamelist. Commission, please. Yeah, I was flooded with you.

Starting point is 00:28:34 And, so 100 bucks. So yeah, you should go. And he, yeah, so this was my introduction into this quote unquote muscle fetish world, right? Because at that point, like being in the gym, I've never seen, I never, like I saw women body builders on magazines and stuff, but I didn't like know a single thing about the rest of the world, right?

Starting point is 00:28:56 I had no clue, because I grew up wanting to be a size zero. I wanted to be Kate Moss. I wanted to wear Bongo jeans. I could go Bongo jeans. You know what I'm saying? I couldn't fit in any of that. Yeah, Vans. I wanted to match my Vans to my Bongo jeans You know I'm saying I couldn't fit in any of that yet vans I wanted to match my vans to my bongo jeans like my friend and I couldn't never do that I do words, you know leggings because anyway, so

Starting point is 00:29:16 So you do the calf shoe do the calf shoe see that there is this whole entire world. thank you for keeping me on track with it. We got you. Yeah, yeah. This whole entire world of men out there who wanted to pay a lot of money for videos of random stuff. So arm wrestling dudes, that's how I got into arm wrestling. So my boyfriend at the time, who I used to refer to as Bubba, because I would write a blog about all this stuff,

Starting point is 00:29:42 would be in most of my videos. So we'd arm wrestle and I'd be like, you little bitch, you know? Like so they wanna see like a woman. They wanna see Dominant. Dominant woman, but a strong, but an actually strong like, you know, Amazonian type figure, you know.

Starting point is 00:29:56 There's all these different genres. So it was like arm wrestling, wrestling, that's how I got into BJJ. And then like, lift and carry. So guys that wanna get picked up and carried around, I'm sure a lot of women who are listening to this are gonna be like, that's why that Indian dude keeps asking me how much weight I could, like if I could bench press him.

Starting point is 00:30:16 Or like they would wanna get through, you know, like fireman carry or piggyback or just, you know, doing calf raises with him sitting on the back or so crazy. Well, you know what? Any raises with him sitting on the back or so crazy. Well, you know what? Any woman who... I remember when I told you about my experience with this when I, I had never seen it until I got into bodybuilding. That's what I'm saying, right?

Starting point is 00:30:33 When I got into bodybuilding, always so I started getting these inboxes and people were off from me, 250 bucks and all I had to do was like flex my bicep and I was like, what? Smash an apple with your bicep. I almost did it. I told you guys, if I need some money at the time, I would have done it. You would say like, flex my bicep of which time? Like, I could do that.

Starting point is 00:30:49 What was the thing with Kai Green and something about? Oh, he actually had sex with a grapefruit, I think. Okay. I bet, like, that was probably some kind of, oh, I don't know, but it might have been some kind of a quest. Oh, I'm sure. There are, and I mean, I was just mind blown.

Starting point is 00:31:03 I had a guy, and then- So would you go and do this, so they pay you, and then you do things things for them, or would you film them and then sell the video? Make the videos, and it would go on this website, right? So it's called Clips for Sale, not Clip Clips. Just want to clarify. Just want to clarify.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Totally different. Appreciate that. The very different website. I just want to clarify. Everything, and you know, I get asked for like, like, you know, um, calf worship and then scissorsing was another one. They want to see me choke my boyfriend out with my legs,

Starting point is 00:31:33 crush things, and that's how I got into smashing watermelons. Oh, shit. Some guy, so, you know, it paid me to make a video. And then, so I got paid to make the video, and then put it on the store, residual income. K young people, just talking about residual income. Entrepreneurship. You don't need to go to university and then have a bunch of...

Starting point is 00:31:54 You monetize your skills. And then, right, so just keeping it real, you don't have to know what you need to do with the rest of your life right now. At the age of 15, if you're 15 and listening to this, you might be too young, you might not be. You make the call but Anyway, I'm just saying there's a lot of other things the world is not exactly what you think it is And I'm talking about like I would get requests from rock stars like federal judges

Starting point is 00:32:15 PD attrition's just any kind of guy college kids so I'm starting so you went kind of deep into this I went deep dog wow you See now make this is very interesting And I'm the type person where I'm like the fucking at you where I'd be like, why not? What's with see with a zel about you? You say like I wouldn't fucking great. Were you like a No, no, no, no, and there's plenty of women in the industry that do like you know If you want me to sweat to in my socks and send them to you my dirty socks, you know problem fine people pay for that Yeah, dude, okay okay so check it out like I always miss the spot of my armpit because my muscle you know right so I always miss that one

Starting point is 00:32:51 spot but they want me to grow my it is one guy to grow my armpit hair out where sports bra sweat knit and then send it off to the United Emirates shut the fuck up pay me four hundred dollars four hundred bucks at a relax I know this, but I think you just found a minute. Literally two days ago, we had a conversation on here and we just found this article about somebody, Sal, you read this, about... Part of it. Fort fetishes, people paying money

Starting point is 00:33:14 to put it in your face, but that's crazy. I've been, I've been, that's a lot of money I've wasted. That's a lot of these fucking lazy kids that can't get a job. Last week, a lot of kid Uber, Ford on somebody's face, get his sweat in the fucking hands. I can't do some money.

Starting point is 00:33:26 Come on. I can jobless. Come on. Anything that you can buy. I think that. I think that. But the thing of it is, is what I started to realize, right? So here I am spending my entire life wanting to be a size zero to fit in those bongo jeans

Starting point is 00:33:38 to such a point that I would use drugs and alcohol and do anything, starve myself, to realize that there are men out there, and I never got a request from a woman. And obviously what I've worked out is you guys are all programmed to like different stuff. But you all don't talk about it with each other because you're afraid you're going to get labeled or called gay by your friend or you fucking weirdo because it's not normal. It's not mainstream. Now if on the cover of Vanity Farrell, the sudden Kim Kardashian grew out her armpit hair and braided it, which there was some stupid trend

Starting point is 00:34:06 where women were like coloring it. Yeah, for a minute, and it was all cool. And then that went away. But like this was an ongoing thing. You know, then that would be seen as beautiful. So but it's weird, right? And that first I was like, this is weird. And then after a while, I was kind of like,

Starting point is 00:34:20 why is it weird? And I started to question it. And I'm like, holy shit, the world is really not what it appears to be. Are you a celebrity in this world? Are you like one of the more well-known muscle worships? Well, I didn't spend very long in it. So it was in there for, I don't know, like two years or something like that. It's a decent one time. Yeah, I was, because I'm a bit of a ham on camera, you know. I like to... Play it up.

Starting point is 00:34:43 Yeah, ham it up a bit. And, but I up a bit. And but I was really interested. We're gonna make one of these videos with Justin today, just so you know. Yeah, I'm kidding. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on.

Starting point is 00:34:52 I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on.

Starting point is 00:35:00 I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on. I'm such an entrepreneur. Like, this is like my five-year plan. This is the tinier plan as a dog rescue and living off the grid if the plan is around by then, but the five-year plan is like showing women

Starting point is 00:35:14 how to do this stuff and like fire up your marriage. And yeah, it's called bedroom boom. Anyway, I shouldn't reveal all that right now, but I'll teach her how. But yeah, so. So you're kind of a ham on the camera. People are loving you. You get in share of it But I was interested in what what was driving these guys and I would ask and I would be like where how did this start? Right like where did this come from?

Starting point is 00:35:38 You know and just listening to the stories and and you know you guys are wired differently men are wired to procreate and if you were all Interested in the same thing there would be a bunch of Paris Hilton's walking around You know that would be nightmare. Yeah Right, you know, I the thing is humans in general are Very complex. We're very cognitive. Obviously. We have a are very complex. We're very cognitive. Obviously, we have a self-aware consciousness different than animals.

Starting point is 00:36:07 Yes. And so what happens is when you take fundamental behaviors or instincts, if you will, like food, sleep, sex, whatever, when you take those fundamental instincts and you apply them towards these extremely complex, self-aware creatures, they look very differently. So, like, look at the cultures surrounding around food. Like, we obviously food is necessary, and it's so necessary, in fact, that we've created all these cultures around it, so we have different ways of preparing food and different

Starting point is 00:36:41 flavors and different, and you have different disorders with food and different normal attitudes toward food. And the same thing is with sex and one of the things that men are wired for is novelty. Novelty is important because on a very basic biological scale, men can impregnate how many women in a nine month period, and one can only get pregnant once in nine months. So novelty becomes very important and that novelty can get expressed

Starting point is 00:37:09 in many, many different ways. And obviously there's nothing like, if nobody's getting hurt, who cares? Yeah. There's nothing wrong with it. But you're right, there's a lot of differences between men in terms of what gets them off. And they call it a fetish because it's different

Starting point is 00:37:24 than what is socially. Exactly. It's not they call it a fetish because it's different than what is socially, it's not a missionary. Exactly. That's right. And my dad used to, I remember one time I met him in San Francisco and I like had cashed in and he, I dumped out a bunch of bills and he was like, what are you doing? Like what's going on? I'm like, no, you don't understand.

Starting point is 00:37:43 I get paid like to make these videos to you know Pick these guys up and then like I write stories and then he started reading my blog I could imagine being a dad trying to piece that together Yeah, cuz that shit didn't exist back in his time You know say it's a pretty sure it did, but it was like they used to have like to like write letters Right right right yeah, and and he was just so then he was like reading my blog And he'd be like yeah, did you get that guy in it? Like, yeah, dad it is. So, um, but yeah, it was just, it was very eye-opening experience for me, right?

Starting point is 00:38:11 And at that stage, I really realized that the world is not what we think it is. And people see men in particular, you see beauty in many different things, many different things. You know, this is what I told, I was at the Arnold and did an impromptu watermelon smash in front of this booth with this DJ and I'm like, I'll go on the mic and I'm like, women, do you see the cellulite back here? Do you think this is gonna stop me from smashing this watermelon?

Starting point is 00:38:39 You know, I'm the woman with the world's deadliest thighs and dead it out. And I'm like, when your man's hitting it from behind, do you think he's looking at your legs and thinking, I don't like that. Say like, oh, my erection's gone. No, he's not. He wants you. He wants your confidence. He wants your, you know, and I just went off because that's what it is. So it was really eye opening for me. And anyway, long story short, I was out in Australia, husband stepped on my foot in a coffee shop, almost punched him in the face, and from there, it was kind of like,

Starting point is 00:39:07 love it first sight a little bit. We got married after just four months. It was really, yeah, so, I said thing. Oh, this is recent? Wow. I have still count on my fingers. Again, kids, you don't need to be great at math or physics to be an MFC.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Yeah, I still count on my fingers. We just had our seven-year anniversary. Oh, very cool. It was like 2010. Very cool. Yeah, I'll be right. So we got married after four months because I was like, yeah, well, I'll move out to Australia and then nobody can, my mom can't borrow money from me. Now, how did you make the transition from the muscle worship to now your social media?

Starting point is 00:39:46 You kind of grazed over too, like, did you do pretty well doing that? I mean, did you make a good living doing that? I did, but here's the problem. I just would make more money to spend more money because at the time, I was still obsessed. So I was working on recovery, but I got off of speed and drinking, but then I found pain pills. But that wasn't my problem. And my name was on the bottle.

Starting point is 00:40:08 You know, I just watched Chris, what's his last name? You know, take a short, yeah, Chris Bell's documentary. The pills, yeah. Every 19 seconds, someone's OD. Oh, it's the main prescription drugs, right? A huge heroin epidemic, it's just a prescription. And that's what I had got hooked on. First, it was just Vicodin or Norco. And then I was chewing up like 10 a day.

Starting point is 00:40:26 And all this time I'm bodybuilding, right? And by my last show I had got hooked on Oxy Cotton. And that went from like 20 milligrams to 80 milligrams. And it was a nightmare. But so all that time I'm still looking for love on the outside, right? And even though guys are like emailing me every day and my muscle goddess, you know, I'm not worthy And I'm starting to realize beauty is not you know, what it appears to be

Starting point is 00:40:55 But I was still not figuring it out. What a unique lesson from that. Yeah, I was still looking like an odd fill for my abs And you know, especially when it came to competing because competing would be so unhealthy, I was chewing up food and spitting it out. You know when I hear women say, yeah, I'm going to do a show. I'm like, yeah, it just, we've talked about that on the show. We say all the time, like, if you have a, if you don't have a good relationship with your body and yourself and food, one of the worst things you could do is do a show. 100% 100%. And compliments, this is what I say, to women, I'm like compliments are like lines of coke.

Starting point is 00:41:30 If they don't last long, and that's why I did speed, because it was, you know. That's a longer. And coke was way, it's when I'm just kidding. For anybody called the pletting one or the other, the more you know, the more you know, bad thing we all the same age. Yeah. A little weird welcome to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The more you know, bad thing we all the same age.

Starting point is 00:41:45 We're all really welcome. So, I'm like, you know, the compliments are like lines of, oh, they don't last long. And so, you know, I would end up sitting in my closet full or crying into my hands, because I didn't have anything I felt like I could wear out of the house that fit. You know, I was just so obsessed with my body, is a obsessive convulsive disorder, like just, and so, even though on the outside, was still looking relatively well put together and I'm having all this making great cash,

Starting point is 00:42:14 bought my first house, two cars in the garage, both area, it was awesome, but I had a spiritual bottom. So it wasn't like I got to the point where I'd wrecked my car and you know, we all have different rock bottoms. And so this final last one was a spiritual rock bottom. So I was just making more money to spend more money to tan, to, you know, do this and that and so on and so forth.

Starting point is 00:42:37 So when I was out in Australia on vacation with my ex, met my husband, and my now husband, and at any rate, by the time he and I were married, it was like towards the end of the year, and we were from the beginning, I was straight up with him, and he was like, look, I have three roles, as long as you're safe, you're happy, I forgot the third role. But, figures.

Starting point is 00:43:00 Yeah. But because he did. And then the most important role. Yeah, the most important role. But because he didn't put any boundaries on me. Probably, probably be truthful to you. That's why I would say just tell me the truth. Yeah, something along those lines. As long as you're safe, you're happy. I can't remember. Don't do math kids. He was okay. He's like, I just want you to be happy. And maybe he had two rules. We'll just keep it at that.

Starting point is 00:43:26 As long as you're safe and you're happy. Okay. And that, because of that, because my ex wasn't like, he was like, you can't, I don't want you to make out with girls. And he tell me certain things that I couldn't do. And as human beings are natural instinct, or maybe it's just addict behavior and alcoholic behavior. I'm like, I think you did a good job, right? Watch me. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:43:45 Right, so, but because he didn't put me restraints on me, I was just, I wanted to be a better person. And, you know, so I finally realized like, okay, making these videos and stuff, wasn't really what married women do. And I realized that I wanted to start empowering women, because I've always wanted to mentor younger girls, but at this stage in the story, I was like, okay, I wanted to stop women in the street and be like, oh my God, your

Starting point is 00:44:08 calves. Did you know that you could make a video, like we were just saying, right? You could make a video and get paid, like a lot of money to put it online and blah, blah, blah. And I started a brand called Confidence by Courtney. And it's Confidence with a K. Unfortunately, I got a tattooed on my back and it's like this horrible tramp stamp. And I started making YouTube videos and it just, they weren't good enough and I kind of

Starting point is 00:44:33 let it go off to the side. But at the time, then, my partner got this job as a CEO of the rugby team. So we moved up. He was the assistant strength training coach for the under 20s Which is like the junior feeding team and this reporter found out that my last name was different than his and did a little digging around on the internet and Found my clip store and because so but there was nothing on there like I didn't you know nothing topless Like I had some topless photos on the you could find online. I did a few shoots when I was younger that you know whatever In hindsight, you know now I can tell girls like look it might seem okay cool to time

Starting point is 00:45:12 But there comes a point where you might want to run for you know Pauli and Pia politician or I'm sure of you so he Because my name was affiliated with this adult only website, the headline read, CEO hires ex-fetish porn star wife to train the under 20s. Oh wow. And this story went around the world.

Starting point is 00:45:36 I had like fans in Denmark sending me pictures of the newspaper and there I am flexing. And you can't read anything but like pornostaro or you know I'm like what the fuck is this like what are you serious India the UK I'm like this isn't news this is not news and it was during and the crazy thing is is the day before the story broke I actually applied for a big brother big sister because I had a void like I still like it was great I was doing a man's job and Australia is a very, you know, male dominated country. It's a boys country and, you know,

Starting point is 00:46:11 I was around the footy clubs and stuff and, um, but it's still like I was still missing something. I still wanted to share this information with young girls. Like what is alcoholism in addiction? Don't take tits or don't take tits. Don't take tits in your mouth. Don't take them girls. Don't take pictures of take tits or don't take tits. Don't take tits in your mouth. Don't take them girls. Don't take pictures of your tits

Starting point is 00:46:28 and send them to your dirt bag older boyfriend to buy you beer. And here's how to be assertive. All of the things that I felt we should have been taught in school, not how to regurgitate facts. Like who's the 37th president of the United States of America to graduate junior high? I sure fucking don't remember.

Starting point is 00:46:43 Do you? No. Okay. So, I applied, boom. States of America to graduate junior high. I sure fucking don't remember do you? Okay, so um, I applied boom. Next day that story broke. And the whole month like I was just drug through the dirt. Moms are like, you dirty slut. I don't want you to train my son. And wow. Because the reporter went into me being, you know, a ex, uh, ex drug addict and a rape and like went into everything, but the way they framed the story, they pulled this picture off of my Facebook

Starting point is 00:47:09 where I had on this little school girl skirt because I used to do photo shoots as well, right? And I did, I looked a little trampy, I was like, I've had my butt sticking out. I was like, I'm leaning on an engine. I made a put, I put the post on Instagram. I saw that, I saw that, I saw that over Instagram post.

Starting point is 00:47:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they took that photo and they used that. And then like, there was a few other ones. And the way that they had just placed it, it was just like, had I come across it, you know, it'd been so easy to judge. You've been like, yeah, you dirty little slide. Oh, but you like to.

Starting point is 00:47:39 Mm-hmm. And from there, winter on the world. And then, and at the time, again, it didn't bother me that much, because at the end of the day, I'd done so much work with 12-step recovery, which we were talking about earlier, that I know I'm a good person. You know, you could call me a sheepfucker. And I'd be like, okay, that's fine. I know I haven't fucked any sheep, whatever.

Starting point is 00:47:59 You know, when I go to bed at night and I put my head on my pillow, I know that I'm a good person. And it wasn't until the big brother big sister called me in January because Australia takes the whole month off for Christmas, right? They take the whole month off. And they called me and said, hey, we got your application. Sorry, we can't work with you. You know, good luck with everything that you're doing.

Starting point is 00:48:18 But if a mentor can Google you and see what you've been up to, you know, I'm really sorry. And then I sat there and just aballed for like 10 minutes. Pour me, everybody's right and worthless, man. My life's over. And then for whatever reason, I just had one of those burning bush moments, like that God shot where I was just like, you know what, fuck that.

Starting point is 00:48:38 I'm gonna start my own program, ram by people who've been there and done that, and not just talk to talk, but walk the walk. And I worked on this program for teenage girls for like the next nine months and then I turned it into camp confidence. So the tattoo still had some relevance and with a K and we did that for two and a half years and it was great. We had girls that were cutting themselves and eating disorders and you helped them out. That was amazing. Yeah. We had 62 girls come through and they would come and they have body image issues,

Starting point is 00:49:05 and we'd show them the basic things of fitness, self-defense, meditation, nutrition, teaching about the truth behind the media and advertising. Because what I learned when that story rolled out was who's controlling the media? They're literally six corporations worldwide who control every single media outlet, right? And how that got syndicated around the world blew my mind. And I really started to kind of go down the rabbit hole a little bit and try to figure out like why are women? Because there was an all blacks player, as you said, watching rugby union or knowing of rugby union.

Starting point is 00:49:40 He married a porn star the year before this whole thing went off and the whole country was high-fiving him. Well done. Good job, son. Slpping him on the ass, way to go. You know, but when my husband has, you know, a recovered blah, blah, blah, that whole story, it was like, I was the biggest whore and dirtbag on the face of the earth. So... How did he respond? Oh, he was brilliant. Just absolutely brilliant. You know, I'm so proud of my wife, you know, like, you know, the club might have made

Starting point is 00:50:07 a poor decision and I'll take responsibility for that, but Courtney has got a good soul. Like it was, again, took our relationship once again, next level. So, yeah, so, again, got to the end of two and a half years with this camp confidence thing. And one of my partners got pregnant. I have some don't know how to cough.

Starting point is 00:50:28 My watch caught right there. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand.

Starting point is 00:50:39 It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. It's my hand. But again, I'm on antibiotics. I'm going to need probiotics. But one of my partners got pregnant, and so we had to put the camp down. Then at that stage, it was like, okay, well, we took the vision and the mission of camp confidence, teaching the tools of self-love, which then rolled into sisterhood and put it

Starting point is 00:51:02 into this clothing line, which is now known as girl clothing. And for the past two and a half years, I've been absolutely killing myself to, you know. I was working on it. Did you ever feel there was a moment where you kind of felt like an imposter because this was something that was really hard for you to work through.

Starting point is 00:51:18 And then now I'll send your tell on everybody to be confident. Did you go through a transition? That's an absolute great question. And what was funny is I actually got my boobs down at one point. What you may have noticed. It don't recommend it, by the way. A few ladies are thinking about getting a breast augmentation.

Starting point is 00:51:34 I just, I don't know. I know some women really do enjoy their breasts, but it's not been a good thing for me. I think I've got like my hands have started going numb and one of them. It's more common than people realize. Yeah, if somebody mentioned hashtag implant illness and I just found like a lot of stuff out there on it. And maybe that's contributed to my autoimmune disease.

Starting point is 00:51:54 And you know, there's a lot of stuff that's a whole other topic. But yeah, the Daily Mail, another news outlet because they love to write about me out there for whatever reason and We're like yeah confidence Cornie Olson runs confidence camp for girls, but defense her boob enlargement That's like front page news I'm like are you serious? Wow, they're coming after you. Yeah, they were coming after me They wanted my ass. I said you know what look teach their own and at the time you know I shaved the sides of my head because I was competing a lot in jujitsu. And I tell you, when you're in your ghee

Starting point is 00:52:31 and guys don't see your legs, and then I start fighting dirty, and I get them between buying guard, and it's like if somebody wants to pull my hair, I'm like, fine man, I'm gonna shave my hair. Now you try. So not having much hair, and I'm always flat, flat, chested.

Starting point is 00:52:45 Like I'm talking like that flat. And plus, you know, when you're obsessed because I was still, even though I was recovered, off drugs and alcohol was still quite obsessed. Like I was doing CrossFit, Presently Jiu Jitsu, and Hot Yoga all in one day. Five days a week, right? It was not.

Starting point is 00:53:03 So you can't let. Yeah, yeah. So, so with the goal of your clothing company is to continue to promote those values of confidence or... It's teaching women self love. And the major contributing thing to this issue that we have is the media and advertising. Everything is fake.

Starting point is 00:53:26 No one looks like what Cindy Crawford has been quoted saying, I wish I looked like the supermodel Cindy Crawford. Right? So why do we have flaws? Why do we think they're flawed? There's no such thing as a flaw. Oh, I'm perfectly imperfect. Why are you imperfect?

Starting point is 00:53:41 What's imperfect? You know, like everything is how it's meant to be right now. It is what it is. But it's imperfect because some fucking advertisers are trying to sell you some shit that you don't need. And like I said, I always had found that by making more money to spend more money, that money never gave me happiness. What gave me happiness was of being of service and having a purpose and doing something for

Starting point is 00:54:04 somebody else. Meaning. Meaning. Yeah. So did you find that working towards this meaning and this purpose helped you with your own self? 100%. 100%.

Starting point is 00:54:15 And the more authentic, because I'm now that I've got a platform and I hate social media, because primarily because we're just so unaware of subconsciously, right? So I don't know how much you guys talk about the mind on the podcast and I'll be a fan. It's in the title. Yeah, okay. That's what I was just saying. I didn't want to make assumptions. But because I am, you know, knowing that like 95% of the time we're in our subconscious,

Starting point is 00:54:44 right, our pro like we're all programming programming is all those programs and that we're in there on autopilot not consciously aware and we're just doing scrolling and looking and all those beliefs that we're creating and those negative thoughts of you know like oh I don't look like that I want that life I want a baby and you know the minute that lady put that baby down. And she's like, can I just get five fucking minutes of peace to myself to take a shit? God! But on her Instagram photo, it's just this lovely, cute picture of, you know, wonderful life. And so we're always constantly comparing ourselves and looking at others and saying, oh, I

Starting point is 00:55:20 wish I had that. It's very natural to compare yourself to the people around you, because that's just the way humans construct society. Well, everybody's in stuff, and the problem is, when you're scrolling through and looking at Instagram or social media, it gives you and your brain the false assumption that that is your community.

Starting point is 00:55:42 That's normal. I use the example of the NBA all the time. Like if you watch the NBA, you see all these guys that are six foot five or tall or seven foot tall. And if that's all you ever watched, you would assume that that's common. When in reality a seven foot man is extremely rare.

Starting point is 00:56:00 So you create this false belief of what it looks like in your community. And then you automatically, and this is again This is human nature Compare yourself to that and it leads you down a path of Really not liking yourself. I think it's a combination of a couple things. I think that We're in this era now too with this with the Instagram thing and social media that we're consuming so much of that and I give this analogy the day in the podcast of Imagine like back when we were kids or when the first felt insecurity set in you know for me That was probably in the high school age when I felt really skinny and other boys look bigger and more much with me

Starting point is 00:56:36 So imagine I walk out my door one day and everybody I saw looked like the cover of fucking men's health Like that would just totally just dwarf you and just push you down Like make you feel like oh my god like everybody else looks amazing. I'm the only one that looks like this That's what social media ends up doing for a lot of these people because they follow all these people They want to look like those people are fake as fuck putting all this bullshit up all the time That's a perfect look and now you can Photoshop abs is a perfect look. And now you can Photoshop apps onto yourself. Right.

Starting point is 00:57:05 Or all the filters, like even with the, I don't have Snapchat because I am so angry at those. I saw you playing with the S's story a while. Just today is the first time I've ever dicked around with that. And I did on Facebook too, because we launched an Indiegogo campaign to raise capital, because I don't want to go to a venture capitalist.

Starting point is 00:57:24 I don't want some man, a venture capitalist. I don't want some man because they're generally male-dominated, breathing down my back, saying this is how you're going to run your company. You want the autonomy to do it? Yeah. And feel let people feel like they have contributed to the growth of this. But yeah, those filters, they have such a horrible impact on their subconscious. And when I went to the doctor yesterday because my poor grandmother, she's 88 and she was there's, they have such a horrible impact on their subconscious. And when I went to the doctor yesterday,

Starting point is 00:57:46 cause my poor grandmother, she's 88 and she was like, you know, I'm coming over, you're gonna just sick cause I hate taking antibiotics. And again, don't get me started on conspiracies. And I was there and I was explaining to him what it is that I do. And he's like, yeah, there seems to be a lot of studies now that, you know, the social

Starting point is 00:58:05 media is really having a big impact on young people's mental health. And I'm like, you fucking think? Hello. We just read the TISO. So since 2010 to 2015, suicide among teens has jumped, I believe almost 30%. So in a five year period, that's a massive, massive jump. That is rude to a kid. And here's the thing, like, the root problem,

Starting point is 00:58:31 I don't believe the root problem is social media, I think social media becomes another way to, look, here's the bottom line. The antidote to all these terrible things that we think and do to ourselves is really learning to care about ourselves, like we care about someone that we actually care about, like actually loving ourselves.

Starting point is 00:58:51 And the way you treat yourself is a direct reflection of how much you hate or love yourself. And the more you hate yourself, the more you're gonna treat yourself like someone you hate. And if you really, let's say, imagine if you really hated a person, like you truly did not like them and you hated them and you were in total control of their entire lives, you would treat them like somebody you really truly hated. You would feed them in particular

Starting point is 00:59:14 ways or you would, you know, you would do things to them that weren't good for them or you would say things to them because they're truly a person that you really don't like. That's how we are, that's how people can be with themselves, and the reverse can be true if you truly care for yourself. And I think the problem is, and it's funny, I read the statistic where people who have pets and take the pet to the vet, and the vet says, your pet needs to take this medication for this illness.

Starting point is 00:59:43 The percentage of people that are consistent with the medications that they give their pets is far higher than the percentage of people who actually give themselves medications like they're supposed to. So we literally take care of our pets better than we take care of ourselves. And part of that is because we view the pets

Starting point is 01:00:00 or our children or our friends as people we forgive and we're empathetic towards them. We love them and we care for them. We view ourselves as this person that deserves no empathy, deserves no forgiveness, how dare you think those things, how dare you do those things. You're not, you're a terrible person. If you think of yourself that way, you're going to treat yourself that way. And it's in direct relation to how much you hate yourself and the more you hate yourself,

Starting point is 01:00:28 the worse you're going to treat yourself. And the reason why social media can be a tool to fuel that is because if you're thinking you're, if you're a 14-year-old 15-year-old kid and you're like, man, I'm like, I was the same way. I was like, I'm really skinny. I'm, you know, I'm like, I was the same way, I was, I'm really skinny. I'm really skinny, I'm not, I'm not good enough to be like the other guys who are big and strong. And I already have that feeling, I'm already not liking myself. And then on top of that, I go on social media and that completely distorts reality of the point where now I relate to nobody. I can't relate to any of these people because I am so much skinnier and weaker and insufficient and not manly enough, like all these guys are, I'm gonna hate myself even more,

Starting point is 01:01:10 and that spirals down, and social media can be, and it's just a powerful tool, like anything that's powerful. Like, I'm sure you spread your message now through social media, because it also can be used that way, right? Exactly, it's a love hate relationship, because obviously now I can get on there and reach women and

Starting point is 01:01:26 they can hear the story and get it. But at the same time, I hate it because it completely takes us out of the present moment. And that is all we have. And that's something again in 12-step recovery you learn. It's like, just for today. Okay, well, what that means is there's no such fucking thing as yesterday. The past doesn't exist, right? As you said, we're the only mammal that can, you know,

Starting point is 01:01:47 go back and like, we're gonna say- We can stabilize that even. Yeah, and we keep replaying the tape over and over and over, or we future trip. There's no such thing as the fucking future. Yeah, great. It's great to have goals into plan, into, you know, prepare and be driven and manifest

Starting point is 01:02:02 and visualize and all this stuff, but we get so anxious and what if, what if, what if, and you know Think of all these scenarios and we're never in the present like all we have is right now right the second time is a man-made thing and that shit doesn't fucking exist But what again social media does is it takes us out of the present moment and we're on there and we're then we're not present Especially with kids. And the impact this is having on, you know, see a two-year-old on an iPad doing shit. And I'm like, oh my God, this is really like hurts my soul because, you know, you see the parents are out

Starting point is 01:02:35 and bless them, but, you know, they're trying, their kids trying to get their attention and they're out the mall or something, and they're on Facebook scrolling around. It's like, uh-huh, yep, sure enough. You okay? Okay, shut up. Yeah, I'll be in a minute.

Starting point is 01:02:48 And then the kids sitting there creating beliefs about themselves that they're not good enough. And like I said, from age zero to seven, that's when we create all these beliefs. So in this example that I learned, and that really blew my mind, was that, okay, let's say, do any of you have a younger sibling? Yes, I have three. Okay, what's the younger, what's the age difference? It's four and then two years all the way down. So my youngest sibling is 30, 30.

Starting point is 01:03:11 Okay, so, and we'll say the 30, you said 34 or 38. So, 38. When you were, I like I said, I'm really bad at math kids. You could still be an MFC, you know, and count on your fingers. Okay, screw it. We'll just say you were, and what's your, um, young siblings name? Catarina. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:29 Catarina is one in your five. All right. And Catarina is in her high chair, and you're on the floor trying to learn how to tie your shoe, right? You're doing the rabbit run around the loop, pulled the thing, trying to get your shoe tied, and you can't do it. Was your mom around growing up? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:44 Okay. Mom's in the kitchen cutting up an apple and Catarina is dicking around in her high chair and she's about to fall out face forward and at the same time You can't hire shoe mom come here. I need your help and she looks up at you And she looks at Catarina and she's looks hold on. I'll be right there Cell and she runs over to Catarina and grabs her and sits her down in her high chair and gets her situated And what happens is you in your little five-year-old mind creates a belief that Catarina is better than me runs over to Caterina and grabs her and sits her down in her high chair and gets her situated. And what happens is, as you, in your little five-year-old mind, creates a belief that Caterina's better than me.

Starting point is 01:04:10 Mom loves Caterina more than me because she got her attention first. And then the fucked-up thing is, is that you don't realize that you've created this belief, and that goes into your subconscious. And what's the truth? The truth is, is your mom is being a good parent and making sure that Caterina didn't fall face forward out of her high chair and die, right? And your mom doesn't know that you just created that belief. And so let's just say, you know, do you and Caterina get along now? Yeah, yeah. Okay, it would be funny if you didn't, but for the sake of the story. She got all the attention. Yeah, I hate her. Okay, there you go.

Starting point is 01:04:40 There you go. So around Christmas time, you know, you guys get together and you just want to punch her in the face and you don't know why. So things like that, we don't realize, but imagine that times one million. And we would constantly just creating those types of beliefs that are false. Yeah, or imagine that with an actual bad parent, right? Yeah. Right. And then the amount we hear, no, growing up as a kid, no, no, stop that, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:05:02 What is that doing? Our minds are so programmed. And you think about social media. And like what Facebook is doing, that's actually changing the chemistry and our brain and the dopamine to look for those likes. Like when you get on there and I'm like, and at least I have the awareness

Starting point is 01:05:18 and I consider myself semi-woke, I suppose, even though I'm just learning about things like white privilege and shit like that. Here I thought I was some fucking woke guru. Like, oh, no, I'm just learning about things like white privilege and shit like that. Here I thought I was some fucking woke guru. Like, oh, no, I'm just joking. I've got every day's a learning experience. But, you know, I think I'm aware of these things. But, you know, imagine someone that doesn't have that awareness.

Starting point is 01:05:37 And I look and I'm like, oh, I only got like 2,500 likes on this picture. But when I, you know, two years ago, I'd have like 200. When's it gonna be enough? When am I gonna get that blue tick? If you're waiting, I don't have a blue tick. I'm not a bad guy. If you're waiting for extra, yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:55 If you're waiting for external change. It's gonna be the blue dick, that's why. That's why we're not this. It's gonna be the blue dick. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Yeah. If you're waiting for, if you're reliant on external factors to validate you and make

Starting point is 01:06:11 you feel good about yourself, that is a path to hell. It is. It is 100% path to hell because it'll never be enough. You will always feel empty. There is no meaning or purpose behind it and people need meaning and purpose and like you found yours, right? You found your meaning which is to help others through this process and in doing so it is filled you and it has It has but I still like doesn't mean you're cured or anything like that But with meaning you have now purpose and it's a totally different feeling. Then getting up and going to a nine to five job apps.

Starting point is 01:06:47 I want you to school me a little bit on the white privilege thing because this is something that I see. I see a lot of these privileged things popping up and I just I don't really subscribe to a lot of them. I don't. So tell me what you're learning. Okay, and I did the same thing, right? So peep game.

Starting point is 01:07:01 And can I just say this you motherfucker, you got the songs stuck in my head. I wish I was a little bit tall. When you were talking about MBA. So now it's just now there's the program. That's going off. That's a great. So okay here's the story. We have an online Facebook page a private group for our we call them the girl army. We don't have customers, it's the girl army, it's the sisterhood, right? So the clothing line is all about creating a sisterhood. First, yes, we learn to love ourselves.

Starting point is 01:07:31 And then once you stop seeing other women as your competition, then we see them as sisters and we start to work collectively because we believe that women are held back as a gender because of our own doing. So let's say you're a female. Adam and I'm like, nice ass bitch. Whereas if, you know, now it's like,

Starting point is 01:07:47 oh my God, you have a nice ass. Like what do you do? Like what do you squat? How do you do? And now all of a sudden we're friends. And she's like, oh my God, I just left the house thinking I had such an ugly ass. And you know, great, and positive energy.

Starting point is 01:07:58 So by working together, it's changes the game. So we've got this online close Facebook group. The first thing that happened, and this was about a year and a half ago, I had a shirt, we had two shirts, and my friend that did these two tattoos, she drew up these two different designs. One said, warrior girl, and it was a depiction of a woman with, she looked kind of like an Eskimo. It could be Native American, what have you. And then the other one was a said girl tribe, and she had a patch on, and she had feathers, but she was like a pirate. And somebody said in

Starting point is 01:08:31 the close group, and this was before we had the comment moderation thing turned on. And somebody said, oh, well, that shirts like cultural appropriation. And that is a whole another topic. And this is something I'm not comfortable really going into because I don't feel confident in talking about it because I'm still, I'm keeping an open mind to it. It's okay. We speculate on Mind Pump all day long. We have open conversations. That's why I asked you because it's not something that I subscribe to. So I want to hear your opinion. So the privilege part though. So I saw and I got it and I explained the meaning of it in the drawing and all the

Starting point is 01:09:06 rest of it. But the thing that happened was, is there were white women who were saying, well, if you don't like it, just scroll by it. If you don't like it, then don't buy that shirt. Basically, like, shut the fuck up. Whereas opposed to, as opposed to saying, okay, well, why is that? Or I hear you and I acknowledge you. Let's, let's move on or help us understand. And the thing is that we can't have these conversations online. Communication is difficult enough as it is, right? Like, 10% of a conversation actually has to come down to words. And the rest of it is pitch, tone, body language, which none of that you get online.

Starting point is 01:09:40 And that's again, another reason why social media is so fucked up, because you can look at one thing and it means, you know, ten different things. Exactly. Exactly. And so we went through that and a bunch of women left and then some stayed and it was this woke up to this huge mass of fire and I'm like, oh God. And then Trump got elected. With the group, you know, we don't talk about group, we don't talk about politics, we don't talk about religion, because these things divide us. And I'm like, we need to stay united. That is our number one thing.

Starting point is 01:10:11 But when Trump got elected and then the women's march, and I saw this one article in this woman, she was an Asian woman. And she said, if you weren't out of black lives, matter, march, and you're at the women's march, then you're not my sister and I do not stand with you. And I took that so personal. And I was like, this is bullshit.

Starting point is 01:10:31 How are we going to move forward? What the, you know, like this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Like, we have got to start working together and I wrote this blog and I basically said, you know, I don't see color. You know, I see women. Why can't we just see each other as women in unite that way and let that be there one thing that unites us? And then I also said something along the lines,

Starting point is 01:10:51 I've copped heat for saying we say Vagiapp as a design on some of our shirts instead of man up. Oh, Vagiapp. Vagiapp. I don't think Betty White actually said this, but she said, those things take a beating, right? So, and then there would be some women in the group

Starting point is 01:11:08 that say, Betty White was so bad at it, she was. She was, such a bad ass. You know, all you shouldn't say that because then that alienates our trans sisters. And I'm like, oh fuck, you know, we live in the United States of offended. Like, I'm not trying to offend anybody,

Starting point is 01:11:22 but at the same time, you know, I'm like women, because then people think where are you a feminist? And I say, well, I don't subscribe to that term because there are black women who, you know, say they don't subscribe to that word because there are forms of feminism that support feminists who didn't want black women to have the right to vote.

Starting point is 01:11:43 Or there's turf feminists who don't believe transgender should be They're not just a wide-al-subscribe This is why I don't subscribe to this bullshit. It just weighs the fucking separatists and all these categories Yes, and the separation thing was like we are all one but here's the thing about white privilege that I actually Understood because like I said at first I took it very personal and I was like privilege. What do you mean about privilege? You don't know about my life like I was raped, a grip with an alcoholic mother, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right. And I wrote this blog and I sent it to customer of ours named Brianna. Because when I started this company, it was all about having

Starting point is 01:12:19 body diversity, right. And then I didn't think about color because I'm a white person. And she reached out to me and she's like, hey girl, where are the black girls at? And I was like, oh, oh my, I didn't really think of that. My God. There's one black girl in my entire high school in Urika, you know, and those things weren't, it didn't really dawn on me. But just as much as it affected me by not seeing a woman with legs, my size, being in the media and advertising. Same thing goes for color, right? And so I said, okay, that's interesting. So I invited her out to do our next photo shoot with us moving forward. I sent her this blog and I said, hey, can you read this for me before I post it? And she was like, I hate to tell you, but no, no. So what you're asking me to do is to take off my skin and hang it up on the door before I walk out the door

Starting point is 01:13:05 that doesn't work. And you're asking me to forget about my heritage and my past and so on and so forth. So I thought, okay, great. I didn't post it and I put that off to the side. And I'm like, clearly there is a conversation to be had here. And the topic had come up a few more times in the group and I'm realizing, great, we can't really have this conversation on here. And so this is in part why, then this group and I'm realizing great we can't really have this conversation on here.

Starting point is 01:13:25 So this is in part why, then this is why I'm out here, so we've got our live event at the end of April. And one of the things we're doing is having, it's intersectional feminism is the term, having a panel on this. We have a transgender woman, Janay Krock, is going to come and speak, and then we're going to have a talk on the topic in an open panel. And it's not just color, race, but or sexual identification, but also abilities, right? So privilege is simply,

Starting point is 01:13:52 and how it resonated with me was this. If I get pulled over, right? Because every time I get pulled over, and this is how I got Arnold to stop by the booth, yeah. Because I was going over and I was talking to the sheriff's and the cops and, you know, making friends with them and everything. And they're like, yeah, we'll get Arnold to come by.

Starting point is 01:14:09 No problem. If I get pulled over and I told you I was a criminal justice major, so I dropped some terms and I'd be like, I know how much discretion you have. Right. Let me go. And I sit, you know, roll down the window, knock knock knock. Do you know why I pulled you over? And I was like, yeah, son, because I'm packing guns, that's why.

Starting point is 01:14:28 Ha ha ha. Okay, no problem. Yeah, off you go. Just slow down, okay, drive safe. Now, if I'm a woman of color, and I do that, yeah, because I'm packing guns, son, get out of the car, get out of the car, you know, like it, that, you know, how that goes down, it out of the car. You know, like that, you know, how that goes down, it may look very different.

Starting point is 01:14:47 I come from a family of law enforcement. I was grown up to respect authorities to a certain degree, you know? I'm like, when you were shitting on there. Yes, except for when I was shitting on the car, I can love you guys. Absolutely, that's 100%. And that's the thing, right?

Starting point is 01:15:05 Like, I'm not a bad person. That's a, yeah. That's a, I forgot to mention that. Alcoholics and addicts aren't bad people who need to get good. We are sick people who need to get well. Like, I would steal your wallet, Sal, and then help you look for it. I'm not.

Starting point is 01:15:17 I know where your wallet is. Yeah. It's a pocket. It was a natural reaction to me. No. For mine right there. I don't know. I'm not that person, right?

Starting point is 01:15:26 Let's find it together. Yes. She always knows what my stuff is. So weird. How do you know? How do you know, bitch? You know, here's my, I have to give my opinion on this because what a lot of, here's what it all boils down to.

Starting point is 01:15:41 There's a lot of power with being a victim, okay? Now let me clarify. Yes. Nobody wants to sit in a room and be like, I have all the best life. I had two parents who stayed married, everybody's great. People start to talk about how shitty their lives are and it becomes a competition or what makes them a victim

Starting point is 01:16:01 or why they're not privileged. And it becomes segmented and then more segmented and then more segmented, and then more segmented, and now you have a black woman arguing with a gay black man, and who is more privileged than the other, and oh, what about the, and the reality is this, at the end of the day, the smallest minority group is the individual, at the end of the day, the smallest minority group is the individual,

Starting point is 01:16:26 at the end of the day, okay? It all boils down to the individual. And what makes somebody's life up, and their circumstances up, it's an endless list of things that could have happened, how you perceive things, it could be mental illness, it could be your life, how you grew up,

Starting point is 01:16:43 it could be money, you could be rich, you could have all the great things, but then you could be mental illness, it could be your life, how you grew up, it could be money, you could be rich, you could have all the great things, but then you could have mental illness. Or you could, I mean, I could sit here and make a list and we'll be here for 15 hours and I still won't even be a tenth of the way down of all the possible things. And so the problem with labeling people

Starting point is 01:17:00 by anything other than their character and their own individual actions results in, and that's a form of collectivism. Right, we're still putting people in boxes that way. It's terrible, and it's a form of collectivism. And what happens is you make a t-shirt with a girl that looks like a pirate or whatever, and you get people going, that's cultural appropriation.

Starting point is 01:17:19 What they're doing to you is they're giving, they're saying, I have power over you because I've declared this offensive. Like, look, no, I'm sorry, okay, is it offensive to you? Maybe, what does that mean? That means if you want to, you could do all the things that you're, that you have the freedoms and liberty to do, which is boycott, you cannot buy it, you can cause a big stir, which is what you did. But it's when, how's that any different than you getting mad every time you see a lighter, because a lighter is what lights did, but it's when... How's that any different than you getting mad every time you see a lighter, because a lighter's what lights meth,

Starting point is 01:17:46 and you have this history connected to that, and then now you are offended when somebody decides they're gonna... It's collectivism and collectivism is dangerous. Here's what collectivism is. Collectivism is women do this, men do this, black people do this, transgender people do this. So, I could take 10 people from the same category. I could get 10 women, okay, and say, okay,

Starting point is 01:18:09 you guys are all women, therefore you guys are all exact the same, right? Not even close. Not even close. I could take 10 minorities. I could take 10 transgender people. Everybody's so individual and so different, and everybody's story is so different.

Starting point is 01:18:22 Everybody has different challenges, and some people have more challenges than others. But the only way to navigate through life is not to try to categorize people and try to put your power over them by declaring yourself more of a victim and them as an oppressor. The key really is look at each individual person and base your decisions on their character and what they did. I have me, I have as much in common with, I have as much to do with slavery

Starting point is 01:18:53 as a black person in America. Why? Because a black person born today has nothing to do with slavery and neither do I. Now, we can go back to ancestors and maybe we can find people who did terrible things. I can go back in time and find ancestors of mine that were terrible people, that were horrible people.

Starting point is 01:19:10 But that's not me. I'm an individual. Everybody's an individual. And when we start to value each other as that, that's when we find unity because we're never all going to be the same. That's crazy. That's crazy. You can't do that is a very difficult and actually it's an impossible way for us to construct society

Starting point is 01:19:28 or to get along. There's no way to do it, but if I look at you, and I'm like, you know what, Courtney, you look like you've had a different life than me. We look very different. I know nothing about you other than your social media. I'm just gonna hang out with you, and if you're cool to me, guess what?

Starting point is 01:19:42 I'ma like you. And that's just the bottom line. If you're not, then I'm not gonna like you. I don't really care about anything else. Yeah, it's in it. It's a question, because a lot of times I do feel like I have to walk on eggshells and I'll like, I'm gonna upset somebody and I can tell you,

Starting point is 01:19:56 I'm forget when I came in, I'm a people pleaser. You know, I... You have to, you have to, you have a strong character. And so what I would say to you is Keep your character especially when it's getting challenged. Yep, which is when you you want people to hear your real message Yeah, and when you have people saying like that's offensive you're like no, no, no, listen to my real message Yeah, stand strong in your character because otherwise it's gonna get muddied and yeah, and I say you don't stand for something you'll fall for any Yeah, and I said that's what I said I'm like look it comes down to intent right hereied and they say you don't stand for something you'll fall for. Yeah, and it's just terrible. And I said, I'm like, look, it comes down to intent, right?

Starting point is 01:20:27 Here was intent of the shirt. And that still wasn't good enough. I was like, I took it off sale. I did. I took that shirt off sale. Sure. You're meeting market pressures. And where we are now today, you're in a half later and putting on this event again.

Starting point is 01:20:40 Like the first event we put on last year, it nearly put us out of business. We paid, do you have ever been to Vegas and have you heard of the artisan? Artisan? Yeah, well apparently it's a swing or a hotel. Oh, well there. Yeah That's why we ever heard about it. Yeah What if I said yes, yeah, I love that place and your wife Well, we booked out that hotel and anyway It we didn't even a long short, it nearly put us out of business. And I'm like, why are we doing this event again? And the reason being is because

Starting point is 01:21:10 the whole point of this brand is for unity. And at the end of the day, it is about listening to understand and not listening to be right. Because I wanted to, I wanted to be right, but I realized the more if I realized the more if people feel like you're willing to listen, then we all just wanna be understood and heard. So, and everybody, as long as we keep an open mind and are open to shit, then I feel like,

Starting point is 01:21:37 then we can start to take down some of these barriers. But I do, I agree, on the cultural appropriation part, it's like, oh, well, you know, now, we're putting each other into boxes and categories. But the privilege part is now making more sense to me, though, because in which transgender is, right? Like, I have a privilege because I just walked back there and it just went straight into

Starting point is 01:21:57 the women's room. You have your transgender and you're like, fuck, which, you know, pro operation. And I'm not up on these terms of cisgender and all these things. And that's, to me, I'm like, am I being a bad leader because I actually haven't had time to sit down and raise my sister. You can't keep up with this bullshit.

Starting point is 01:22:13 No, like I keep up with this bullshit. Like I said, if you treated people like individuals, and you just looked at a person who said, here's an individual, I'm gonna treat them based off of their character and how they treat me. Then we wouldn't have any issues. Now are there more challenges sometimes for people? Fuck you better believe it.

Starting point is 01:22:30 That's the same. Of course, that's legit. There's legit people who have, and sometimes it's a result of their circumstances that they can't control. And sometimes, many times, it's a result of circumstances they can't control. Who's more privileged? The white girl who got raped, the black girl who got beat,

Starting point is 01:22:48 the transgender who didn't have a bathroom. We can't compare each other to that. Everybody's story's different. And there's definitely somebody in that privileged category that didn't have it as bad as someone in another privileged or un-privileged category. Fuck all that. It's very difficult, but if I call that.

Starting point is 01:23:04 But here's a deal, like again, like if I see a transgender individual, or I meet one and I view them as an individual, not as a homogenous part of a group or whatever, and I see them and I meet them and I introduce myself and we talk and I'm like, wow, this person's cool. That's it.

Starting point is 01:23:21 Here's another analogy, because I love analogies. And this is just what we'll wrap up on because I know it's been a journey for me too and I've gone through the same exact thing. But for example, and I shouldn't put you on the spot when I'm going to any of you, alcohol alcoholics. No.

Starting point is 01:23:36 Okay. So when people would say to me, why can't you just have one? You have a, it's your weak, it's willpower. You have weak willpower. And I'm like, you don't understand. Yeah, literally don't. When I take a drink of alcohol, there is, my chemistry is different. It creates, it causes a craving phenomenon and I have an allergy to it. And then it kicks off the obsession

Starting point is 01:23:57 and the cycle starts. And I won't stop until the wheels fall off. And I believed with every cell in my body that I've just gonna have two drinks. I was gonna be the designated driver. And I wound up shitting on the hood of a cop car. So, you know, until we're in that other person's shoes, I suppose, you know, and I say, if you're not an alcoholic, you will never understand what it's like. And that's why as alcoholics, we have this bond. All right, and I look at it now, I used to say, hi, my name's Courtney, and I'm a recovered alcoholic.

Starting point is 01:24:30 I was angry about it. And now I'm like, hi, my name's Courtney, I'm a grateful recovered alcoholic. Like I look at it as an amazing things because I have unconditional love. Because if you're an alcoholic, I get you. I understand you. I don't have to explain to me.

Starting point is 01:24:43 I know what it's like, I totally get it. So when I started to look at it that way and I thought, okay, maybe there's something more to it, because I was in the same boat as you, where I was like this labeling shit, blah, blah, blah, and I was the same exact way. But at this stage, and the reason why I'm putting on this event is I'm like, I want to dive deeper into it. And is it a massive risk for our brand? Thuck, yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:07 I commend your courage. Thank you, me too, thank you. Like, I wanna hold out of my shirt right now, but I need it. Yeah. Yeah. That's it, it's a commend you for your courage because this is a, it's unfortunately a touchy subject.

Starting point is 01:25:19 It is. Nowadays, and it shouldn't, you know, it really shouldn't be, I blame politics because politicians spend a lot of money. Dividing conqueror, man. They spend a lot of money on figuring out how they can corral people. No, it's exactly. And this is, this is what we're feeding into it

Starting point is 01:25:35 by separating all of ourselfs and that. We're giving them what they want. They want to divide and conquer. That's exactly right. The 1%. And here's the thing. In this, how condescending is it to look at someone and be like oh You're so underprivileged poor you like that's also an assumption

Starting point is 01:25:52 How condescending is it tell a girl who puts out a fucking shirt doesn't she doing that? It's that way right that's been through probably fucking way more than that person's everything that's my my point is like like I don't You don't know each, look, Oprah. Oprah is one of my heroes, okay? She's one of the arguably one of the most successful, if not the most successful women of all time. If you know anything about her story, about how she came up and what she had to go through,

Starting point is 01:26:16 it's insane. Now, if I was just walking around with this, you know, belief system of, you know, victims and oppressors and you know Privilege or whatever and I don't know who she was and I met her and I'd be like oh poor female black, you know Individual poor you you're such a big she took those things and turned them into her fuel and became right and And and and so my point is that not that these things don't matter of course they do they they're part of who we are But it's it's a dangerous path to go down

Starting point is 01:26:46 when you look at people as unprivileged privilege, whatever, and you base it on things that you don't have enough information to determine that. When I bring up depression, like I've written about depression before in certain words, you know, I've said, like, look, there's nothing wrong with you. And again, my intent was, like,

Starting point is 01:27:02 I've been diagnosed with depression, I've been given pro-zachac and I didn't take it. I have a massive rant about that stuff. And I was working on trying to explain, again, on Facebook, on my, my, I hate saying fan page. It's so ridiculous. On my page about how we are all just energy, you know, and that, you know, some of us absorb more than other people's energy and so on and so forth. And what I was saying was there's nothing wrong with you in a sense that

Starting point is 01:27:29 it's okay to not be okay and that, you know, it does get better. But because I didn't word that word for word, there was just people like, oh, I'm, you know, that really upsets me. And then you're just like, oh man, and you just want wanna, and you're like, fuck, I stop what I'm trying to say. And so communication is so difficult. How tiring is that from knowing what you are trying to give back to everybody, knowing what you've been through? It gets tiring, mate.

Starting point is 01:27:57 But at this point now, after two and a half years, and I was just talking to my grandma there about this last night, she's 88 and she's like, I'm like, Graham, man, we're due for a poll shift. I'm pretty sure the poll shift every 26,000 years, right? So with North, goes to South, and South, goes to North, and then we go through an ice age and all this crazy shit happens. And, I watched, have you seen Kyle Spiracy? No, no, the cows and the poop and the, yes,

Starting point is 01:28:28 giving off that one. Yeah, I watched a little bit of that one. You mean the cows and the poop? Yeah, that's that one. It's going to push in the ice. The methane gas being the problem. Yeah, I'm going to choke herself out. Yeah, you know, but as far as like the environment

Starting point is 01:28:43 and what's going on, whether it's Trump and North Korea or what have you or Einstein, I said, brought up. He said, I don't know what weapons are going to be used in World War III, but I know that World War IV is going to be fought with sticks and stones. I start thinking, and I'm like, why am I killing myself? Because it's literally as an entrepreneur, I have like $27 in my checking account. I've cashed out my 401k to sponsor Holly home when we launched. I sold every possession in my house

Starting point is 01:29:12 two months after launching to keep us afloat. Like I sold the roof off the Jeep. I sold my bras. Like, I mean, those drugs, you know, being a drug dealer came in handy. You know, I was like, hey, I'll make you deal. You know, I was on for Craigslist. Like, you know, being a drug dealer came in handy. I was like, hey, I'll make you deal. You know, I was on for Craigslist. Like, you know, I have, I don't go into too too much detail

Starting point is 01:29:32 because I don't want to deter people, but you have got to be so committed to what it is that you're doing. And I am because I truly have a belief that if women weren't so busy fearing that we looked are worse, that we could be putting our faculties towards, you know, much more important shit. And the world would be much more harmonized place because we've got this female energy that is so stifled down that we need to bring up that nurturing, caring, compassionate energy. And that's in men too. It's also, it's an energy that exists in men too.

Starting point is 01:30:03 Yes, yes, in a place where it's okay for you guys to cry and to talk about your feelings and not be called a little bitch and get back into your box. And, you know, like there's so much work to be done, but I'm like, I've sacrificed my marriage. Like, we haven't fucked in over a year. Like it's, you know, I have absolutely no libido. I'm just, I'm tired.

Starting point is 01:30:26 Is that from stress or what? Absolutely. It's cash flow. It's absolute cash flow. Talk about, can we get into that a little bit? Because I think a lot of, I think more people go through that than you think. Yeah. I remember it wasn't until I got into my 30s before I felt, and I took antibiotics when

Starting point is 01:30:42 I was younger, fucked up, totally fucked up my hormone levels, got on HRT when I was 30, and even being on HRT, I started to notice I had like no sex drive sometimes, and I was like, what the fuck does it make sense? I'm taking synthetic testosterone, and it wasn't until I realized dive deeper into the stress and how that started. So talk a little bit about that,

Starting point is 01:31:01 and what that is, what a challenge that probably is for your relationship. Yeah, it's always just because it's, especially as an entrepreneur, there's no off switch. So it's 11 o'clock at night, in bed talking about it, it's six o'clock in the morning when you wake up your first thought.

Starting point is 01:31:15 And you know, you've got this facade that you're this mat, we are a global clothing line and we're told you're gonna need a million dollars in the bank when you launched and we launched with like $10,000. And grind it's like okay well it's great but you know you've got to check yourself and I have to check myself and be like do I think I'm Jesus Christ that needs to come and die on the cross because I'm pretty sure from the stories I've heard that dude's already

Starting point is 01:31:37 done that you know like do I really think that I'm in the Saint Savior that's gonna like change the world or am I really here doing this without a passion, but where do you find the balance? And that's always what the key to life in my experience is is finding balance. And being like, okay, it's all right to shut it off. But by not being able to shut it off in the amount of stress, and it's all, again, all cash flow, that's stress.

Starting point is 01:32:02 It's just you're constantly in your head. And you can't think of anything else other than, okay, how am I gonna get this import duty paid? Oh my God, these hoodies got made fucking inside out. Or, you know, this customer, you know, and this person needs this and that. And it's just this never-ending thing when it's like just at the end of the day,

Starting point is 01:32:22 it's like, you just wanna empower women and put media out that shows cellulites and dimples and all body types and you know change the game in that way, but you know you got to do it first by doing this and it's just and so because you are constantly in your mind thinking about all these things, you know you can't get excited, you know you're just not. You're not present. You're not bang back to it, you know, you can't get excited, you know, you're just not, you're not, bang, back to it, you're absolutely right. And then plus, especially when you work with, we

Starting point is 01:32:52 work in close proximity and stuff, it's just, yeah, it doesn't help. And he does his own thing as well, but we're just constantly, it's distress. And plus the drug use, I've had a big methamphetamines, because when you methamphetamines causes a rousal in the beginning. And most often girls who have had some kind of sexual trauma, act out afterwards. I was the biggest gang when I got to college. Let me tell you, oh man, I can't even count hundreds. I slept with one of my college professors. It was like a dinosaur studies class, but I wanted an A. I was like, hey, baby, come get some.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Like, I was just, I was off my head. Yeah, I was just acting out so hard. It was crazy. So, you know, from that to... Trying to find it differently now, is that? Yeah, and I, if you, being in the bodybuilding world, I heard a Melanitan. Melanitan, yeah I, if you, being in the bodybuilding world heard of Melana Tan. Melana Tan.

Starting point is 01:33:47 Yeah. No, no, no, tell me. Okay, so this is the dangerous thing too when you talk about these kinds of things because then other people are like, oh, let me get a pin out. Like, you know, Dave Asprey. Yes.

Starting point is 01:33:56 Yeah, Medaphanil. Yes. Yes, right? So then I read that and I'm like, oh, what's that? I started taking that. I got a lot of shit done though, but then I needed to put that shit down.

Starting point is 01:34:06 But in Malanitan, I remember I saw this bodybuilder Lisa Cross and her and I did a photo shoot and she had the most beautiful tan and she's an English woman. And you know, a single woman. Oh wait, is this the pills that you take that make you take tan? Yeah, I think it comes in a pill form. I'm not positive, but it's injectable.

Starting point is 01:34:26 Oh, I did remember this. I read about this. Yeah, I don't know a ton about it. It was kind of what you do, is it not? I actually, yeah, let me jump right in. And you inject it, and I'm not sure the components of it, but you can, like you get really dark. Increases melanin, I think, in the scam.

Starting point is 01:34:43 Yeah, there is some bodybuilder in Australia who passed away, a young guy, and like he was taking so much of that along with everything else under the sun, like his organs or even orange. It was crazy. Yeah. But the reason why I was taking it is because it increased your little beadow.

Starting point is 01:35:01 Like, I wanted to, I would have, yeah. I was like, we're going out in the back of a cab. I was like, wow, whoa, whoa. But, no, it's, yeah. And then I started getting like white spots from it. And I'm just like, okay, this can't be good for you. How long were you experimenting with that? Body year.

Starting point is 01:35:25 Yeah. Yeah, is there on the time of the last day? That was a big thing in the bodybuilding world for a second. I remember reading this to you. Was this not heard? It was not during my time before or after. This was in, when I read about it, I wanna say it was. 2009?

Starting point is 01:35:37 Yeah, probably right around the, right around the, like, so before I was competing. Yeah. Because I don't remember anybody talking about that. No, no. It was a thing for a second, because you could just inject yourself with it. You know what I was competing. Yeah, because I don't remember anybody talking about that. No, no, no. It was a thing for a second, because you could just inject yourself with it.

Starting point is 01:35:47 You know what I was saying? The last thing that I heard that I thought was fucking crazy in the bodybuilding world is, what's the one that? DNP? Yes, the one that's in dynamite. That is a fact. I've heard of that, just made people.

Starting point is 01:35:56 Yeah. I'm a soul. No, not that. No, DNP is this chemical that raises your body temperature and like literally cooks you, literally cooks you from the inside. So yeah, it's really dangerous It's super toxic, but you know how you know bodybuilders. Yes. Yeah, don't take anything that you know. Yes We will anything that it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy when you ask a lot of them to that it you know If just to get to win right they want to win so bad or they want to get that physique so bad that if you were to ask him, like, hey, you know if that could kill you in five

Starting point is 01:36:27 or ten years, oh, yeah, they would still do it anyways. That's what trips me out, it trips me out that you hate knowing it's fucking. When you hate yourself, I mean, let's be honest, a big chunk of people who are motivated enough to dedicate themselves to hours of exercise a day and a super ridiculously strict diet regime that many times motivated by this deep insecurity of self-hate. And so you don't really care about looking or you don't care about your health as much as you care about what you look like. So if it's like, oh, it's going to make me look better.

Starting point is 01:37:01 Fuck it. I want to get back to how challenging this has to be because I know what I went through with my girl. We're seven years deep into a relationship. We're pretty much married. I'm just not a big marriage guy, but so we got the two dogs and lived together for a long time. So pretty much we are, right? And she's a very sexual person and for her to go through that, that was really challenging for me because I mean, I could tell that it was starting to end it. The hard part for me was that it was affecting her, you know, so that forced a lot of communication and a lot of work between her and I, is that something you guys are still trying to work through or have you found like, are you guys communicate a lot about it? Like, no, we are still

Starting point is 01:37:39 trying to work through it, yeah, we're like, we need to do something different and it's Yeah, we're like we need to do something different and it's Gate capital and it's to the stage now where it's like okay Like we could turn this into a lifestyle business and not grow it But if we're doing this to do what we want to do and really create a revolution because it is spreading Mm-hmm. You know, and it's working. You need capital like we need to hire people You know like you need you need people helping you because we just, and I believe that will solve the majority of the issues.

Starting point is 01:38:12 Problem with that is that, you know, and I had some more thought process because I'm very driven when we first started building this, you know, I walked away from everything else that I was doing to start, and for me, security and money, that's why I was. I was so stressed, my mind was somewhere else that I was doing to start. And for me, security and money, that's why I was. I was so stressed, my mind was somewhere else. I wasn't present.

Starting point is 01:38:28 Something I'll tell you that was a game changer for us. And I've shared, so my audience has heard this plenty of time, so it's not a big deal to them, but this may be the first time you've ever tried this, and it wonders for me. Somebody get me a pen. So, I'm getting recorded. Katrina and I started doing once a month.

Starting point is 01:38:45 We get through one audible book a month. And the way I figured that out was like an audible book is anywhere from like eight to 12 hours. So okay, I broke that up. And okay, that means that we're only committing to one to two hours a week that we just agree that we're gonna sit down and we're gonna listen to this book together.

Starting point is 01:38:59 What I got from it, sure it's great. We're growing together, we're reading together, we're learning, sure that's all fine. But really what it did was it forced me to be hyper present Yeah, and then what I noticed is like when we'd read these we read really cool about challenging topics or things We're learning about and then it created this dialogue between the two of us and man the sex That's the key is talking about something other than your work, right? Which her night she's a entrepreneur. I'm an entrepreneur.

Starting point is 01:39:25 She helps with the business. That's all we talk about. So it just perpetuated this problem that I was already having. And so this was like a game changer for me was to tap into that. That's been a hack for sure. And we've said, all right, we're going to do, we're going to watch one video a day. Or, and it's just, it's difficult to get into the habit and then plus we travel and are coming and going and yeah, so that's great.

Starting point is 01:39:53 That's a very tough and why I talk about and share and why I want to dig in on you just because when we went to LA, if I could expo actually, after one of the talks, we had a bunch of people that were waiting to talk to us. And the most common thing I got was men and couples, like shaking and crying and talking to me about how much it's helped their relationship, the advice that are given about ours.

Starting point is 01:40:20 And I didn't realize that I was making that. We were just, we just bullshitting, talking, and saying, and we're very raw and open. You asked me a question, I think, I'll openly discuss it or whatever. And so, you know, I've openly discussed challenges that I go through in my life. And I share that I didn't realize how many people

Starting point is 01:40:34 really, really struggle with this, you know, especially when you've been in a relationship for a long time too. I'm a percent. And that's the other thing too is I find, like, I'm, we'll be apart from my partner for a month and a half You know, and I was just talking about this again with my grandma last night

Starting point is 01:40:49 I remember my other grandparents. They had separate beds in the same room And I remember I thought that was so weird And I was like, what are they have separate beds? That's bizarre But you think about it like after the first year or two you sign like you cuddle every night One of you far. It's one of you rolls, sleeps on your side, steals the covers, kicks the other one. You know, or like you get up and you want to, getting up by part of my recovery,

Starting point is 01:41:13 I connect with a power greater than myself. I just say, okay, there's a god and I am not it. I don't know who the fuck I'm praying to or what it, she, he looks like, whatever. But, you know, get up and connect and I'm sitting and I know how important meditation is and I've been working on incorporating that for literally the past seven years, a habit

Starting point is 01:41:32 like I do go into the gym every day and having not found that piece yet, I don't get up and he's snoring. And I'm like, I'll just block it out. And then I go and I'll go somewhere else but then the dogs need to go out and pee and then by the time that's off and I'm like, I'll just block it out. And then I go and I'll go through else, but then the dogs need to go out and pee. And by the time that's off, and I'm like, oh, nope, got this, this, this, this,

Starting point is 01:41:49 this, and this, and this, and this, and this. And being in another time zone, and 80% of our markets here in the US. And you know, it just, but again, it's another excuse. It's another excuse. So, it's just, you have to like plan it, schedule it,

Starting point is 01:42:04 prioritize it like everything else. Yeah. Well, I think there's also an area too where you allow yourself to be okay with, like, there's different types of meditation, right? And this was something that I had to figure out too because I can't go turn the switch off, dark room, and do hmm for, and it just doesn't work for me. But what I can do is I can go off in my neighborhood and, you know, put maybe like my brain FM in my ears or listen listen to something

Starting point is 01:42:27 That's really peaceful to me and just walk. Yep. That's right. And that's a form of meditation And and just and being just hyper-present with the moment now, you know And I think and I'll take my walk barefoot and I'll just pay attention to way my feet are gripping the grass and the ground and Yeah, I mean that I mean you don't necessarily have to do it in the room. I think a lot of people mistake that I did. I always thought like, oh, no, I'll never be in a minute. I learned a meditation called slow walk. And what you do is you walk from one end of the room to another.

Starting point is 01:42:55 And you do it so slowly that you have to pay attention to every like inch of movement of your foot as you're walking. And so you do it as slow as you possibly can from one end to the other and because you're so aware of your movement positioning, it's totally a form of present mindfulness. Yeah, that's good one. For the neighbors trip out. Yeah, from home with that guy.

Starting point is 01:43:15 So what's in the future for you guys right now? You have that big event that you got scheduled for. Yes. When is that? It's the end of April, so it's April 28th and 29th and it's at the Golden Nugget. It's not at the artisan this year. So it's all underneath one roof,

Starting point is 01:43:30 and it's gonna be wild. So we got a pool party Friday night, so everybody can come. Because of this closed group, like we have had, for example, we're having a girl girl wedding. We had two customers who met in this group, and then some other customers,

Starting point is 01:43:43 fundraised funds to fly one from New Zealand to Chicago. They met fell in love. And now we're going to marry Sunday night. Oh, no way. Yeah, it's amazing. So we've got like keynote speakers, anything from freedom from food addiction, effective communication, you know, body confidence. Wow, this is great.

Starting point is 01:44:02 And then workshops. So Rose, not my humus is going to do MMA, make squats is going to do the deadlift. Almanaz is going to do strong man. And then we've got self-defense. Nurtured, hard approach. Do you have kids? I do.

Starting point is 01:44:15 Yeah, so we both do actually. Nurtured, hard approach. Is any of them on the spectrum, like ADHD or autistic? No, I'm probably 80. I do. Same, same. Would you say? That's cruel.

Starting point is 01:44:28 But it can be applied to any relationship. But, you know, twerking, lap dancing, all these different things in these women gets to choose. And then we're going to have like a power lifting and a strong girl comp. So, that opportunity for women to compete, who have never touched a barbell before, but not being a judgemental environment. That's great. Now do people, they so obviously pay to attend this event?

Starting point is 01:44:52 Yes. $279 for the whole weekend. Does that include a room? It doesn't include the room. Oh, okay. Say, damn. 30% off. Yeah. It's a bargain is ridiculous. That's a swag bag and it includes everything. How many people do you have coming? We're aiming for 400 plus. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:45:09 So, I've got about 100 women that are in desperate need of going who can't afford that I've granted a ticket to. So as a company this year, if we can break even, I'll be really excited. But we did just launch literally last night in Indiegogo campaign. Instead, I'm like, look, I do not want to go down the route of venture capital, as I mentioned, and this is an opportunity. It's almost like a basically presale. So, we've got all these dope things that you can buy on this campaign. You're just not going to get them for a little while, but at least that will give us

Starting point is 01:45:42 the flexibility to have cash flow. Because then it's beyond the clothing. The clothing is just the flag we fly. This is just the jumping off point. Clothing is boring, shit. It's so boring. Oh my God. And some of our stuff is great.

Starting point is 01:45:57 And some of it sucks. You know what? So my, what the fuck is this? This is horrible. And do you guys know we don't use sizes? Not what? We use athletes' names. So when I say that.

Starting point is 01:46:09 Oh, that's a cool thing. What a cool thing. Women's sizing was the fun. Does anybody else do this? No. That's so brilliant. That is so lucky. I already know what you do.

Starting point is 01:46:16 That's brilliant. That's so great. And here's why because of the stigma, right? Exactly. Yeah, that's great. And it's ridiculous. The last stat I read is 95% of women's workout gear is made for a size large and below, and yet 50% of women getting active are a size large and above.

Starting point is 01:46:32 We were the only brand at that expo at the Arnold that had any kind of body representation. You walk around and you see all these fit, tiny women and their little booty shorts and sports bras handing out shit. And weird, I mean, I had women, you know, our size Sam, Sam Coleman, get a spook of world record, squat holder, like she's a massive power lifter. She cops so much shit on social media too, and she just fucking laughs. It's so cool. But she is our quote unquote biggest athlete.

Starting point is 01:47:02 And then we go all the way down to Ava, which is for eight to 10 year olds. And so instead of being like, oh, I'm an extra small, you know, it's like, yeah, you're a Cassie, who's this awesome judo badass. Or, you know, I'm a, I'm a size Heidi. Heidi is Canada's arm wrestling champion. Does she'll fuck any one of you up? Probably. It's so cool.

Starting point is 01:47:23 And so women just having that freedom from the size stigma just go next level. So here they are seeing a brand that is celebrating. Do you have like a picture of all of them so people can kind of see like if you don't have to do it? We've got the measurements because look, I'm a quote unquote size Courtney. And when we did the measurements, it was, you know, 2015, I was doing my last show. I was a bit smaller. And so people, you know, could get a little confused if they're like, oh, but that

Starting point is 01:47:52 doesn't. So we just go by the measurements, but we're running an athlete search right now for for two women who have essentially retired out of their sport or what have you. So it's more or less the measurements. And then the women can, you women can be their true measurement. Because if you shop online, and I hate shopping online, so really fucking cool of me to start an online brand. But they have to take a measure tape out and measure themselves and get their true size as opposed to,

Starting point is 01:48:18 because if you shop at Nike versus under armor versus Reebok, you're going to get something completely different? And so it's really revolutionized. Yeah, and then so our rate of return is like less than 1%. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's great. Because the people fit. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:38 And granted, we get, you know, we still have issues just like any other company would in that area. But generally speaking, most online retail is anywhere from 25 to 30%. So that was a real big game changer for us. And then of course the no-photo shop and everything. But then we all of our clothing has this hang tag where women take a pledge and they saw only swear to the best of their ability to refrain from talking negatively about themselves

Starting point is 01:49:03 as well as other females. I am an equal amongst my peers and understand and embrace that I'm neither better than nor less than through this pledge of non-judgment. Wait, I understand. I embrace that I am either equal or less than. I've said it so many times. I embrace my body and I'm furthering the global revolution of body acceptance. And when they say that out loud, you know, like you had people coming up to you crying and saying, thank you, you transformed my life.

Starting point is 01:49:28 You know, and you're like, yeah, that fills your cup up, that fills your soul, you're helping people, you're being of service. And that's what we're missing. And now, whether women get to take that, and they can write a compliment on it and give it to another woman. And now we're starting this thing of sisterhood.

Starting point is 01:49:42 And that's what the revolution is. Is women empowering other women. And I'll tell you what, I got so butt hurt because Dana Lynn Bailey, you know, Dana Lynn Bailey. Yeah, so I met her at the FedExpo and Melvin, it was just like years ago when I was doing camp confidence. And I caught her off to the side. I was like, hey, let me tell you what's up girl.

Starting point is 01:50:02 You know, great job, done it now, because people would always tell me, all you look like Dana Lynn Bailey. I'm like, I think let me tell you what's up girl. You know, great job. Done it out because people would always tell me, oh, you look like Daniel and Bailey. I'm like, I think I'm older. I think she looks like me. And because I, you know, kind of stopped competing around the time that she was coming up. And I told her about camp confidence. And I said, I had her do the, because we used to do the pledge at camp confidence, except where they got, you know, camp confidence pledge. And then so when another teenager would see another teenager on the street, they knew that they weren't each other's competition and that they were sisters, right?

Starting point is 01:50:32 So I explained that to her and all this stuff and we did the pledge and I put a little band on and I'm like, can you give us a shout out on social media? And she was like, yeah. And now that I've done an expo, just doing the Arnold, I know how tiring it is. They didn't give us a social split, it didn't say anything. But then a month later, she had ran a confidence camp. It was with the sea, but I was like,

Starting point is 01:50:52 oh no, you didn't, I'm coming for you, I'm fine, I'm gonna compete, and that was my inspiration to go out and get back into competing. And then she retired, she announced that she wasn't gonna do the Olympia that year, and I was just like oh hell But I'm sure she was already How you know what I mean, but my ego yeah, cuz that's how we're programmed I'm just like that was my idea. It's like no motherfucker. What's that a clastias?

Starting point is 01:51:17 I don't know the verse in the Bible, but there's nothing new under the sun You know, we're not reinventing the wheel here. We're just putting our own perspective on it, right? So, you know, God bless her like you're doing your thing. You're empowering women as opposed to saying like, oh, it was my idea. I did that first or you know, now that I've talked about sizing and all your, you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands of followers, somebody, somebody might go out and do this now. And it's like, there's enough out there for everybody to fucking profit. Just chill out. might go out and do this now. And it's like, there's enough out there for everybody to fucking profit.

Starting point is 01:51:44 Just chill out. Right. Yeah. So it's about women collectively working together and opening up and sharing in a community. Because that's what we're missing. It's being a part of a community. And you mentioned it earlier, Sal, something about,

Starting point is 01:52:00 we are on social media, but we're more isolated now than we are ever. We have all these thousands of friends and followers, and but it's not real. You can go back and edit what you say. You can edit your pictures. You don't interpret things. There's no energy connection, you know?

Starting point is 01:52:15 You can't look into someone's eyes. And that's what the events are for, right? Yeah, 100%. I have hope, though, in humanity, because I feel like that's why voices like yours, like ours, resonate so much with people, because I feel like the pendulum's starting to swing really far that way. And it's time to fucking come back where you appreciate people that are raw, that are

Starting point is 01:52:34 real. They may not say the appropriate things all the time. They may offend somebody this is that, but I'd rather have that person than somebody who's fake and editing and photoshopping their whole life. I'll tell you what though, there's sometimes I have to piss, it doesn't piss me off, but I was like, I told you I went down the rabbit hole, we're quite deep. I was always, you know, Eddie Bravo and... Oh God.

Starting point is 01:52:54 ...with flat earth, what are we talking about here? Not! Hey, I'm so open-minded, like even David, David Ike, I remember when I first, this, and I was probably time to wrap it up, so, but Ike, I remember when I first, this, and I was probably time to wrap it up, so, but I, this conspiracy of people being, you know, like the lizards and shapeshifting, all this kind of stuff six years ago, and I was just like, oh my God, six years down the track, I went and sat in a room for eight hours and listened to him lecture, and I'm like, holy shit.

Starting point is 01:53:21 But they're, you know, you don't talk about that stuff because oh The people just think you're crazy, you know like whoa your nuts But we're all now starting to talk about like fluoride. Okay. Why can't we drink out of the app sometimes? I'm telling you sometimes reality is fucking crazier than any conspiracy exactly like where's the easiest place to hide something Right in front of you. That's right. Yeah. Well shit, man. You've This has been a very entertaining interview. I'm really glad you guys had me on. And if anybody wants to get involved, like our campaign has, it's called

Starting point is 01:53:52 the Self Love for Billion Tour. So we're looking to do a tour. There's heaps of works on there. We've got digital products that will teach Self Love. And a lot of the stuff was from the teenage program that I started. So they're actual tangible tools to start working on yourself because you got to put pin to paper.

Starting point is 01:54:10 You're not going to find self-love flipping through a people magazine or watching dancing with the stars. You know, you got to sit down and look at what are your values? Like you said, what do you stand for? You know, and where are you going? How are you getting there? Who's going with you? You know, be ready are you going? How are you getting there? Who's going with you? You know, be ready, like know yourself.

Starting point is 01:54:27 And then of course, with bad ass clothing and then we've got our live event and we've got a documentary that is coming out roses in it. She's got a pretty incredible story. We've got a woman that we're just looking at challenging women who are doing different stuff that are changing the game. How did you and Rose get connected?

Starting point is 01:54:45 Uh, one of our customers had brought her up. And it was the same thing. Did you guys get connected before? She became the champ and everything too? Yeah. Oh, you did. Oh, that's even cooler. And that's why I know this is kind of like a universal thing.

Starting point is 01:54:57 Are you shaking your head? You got to feel the opposite. You're off in a reason and I'm a hot mess. Oh, babe, take a beating off. Take your beating off. Huh? Just keep me warm. Oh, you want some of my antibiotics? Maybe. I'm a codepend. Oh, baby, take your beating off. Take your beating off. Oh, keep me warm. Oh, you want some of my antibiotics? Maybe.

Starting point is 01:55:08 I'm a codependent as well. So yeah, that's why I think that's the universal thing. Like what are the odds? You know, with a holy home beating Ronda Rousey. Come on. That was epic. Yeah, every Australian was like, why didn't you bet that why don't you take it to a Pokemon?

Starting point is 01:55:23 And I'm like, why didn't you bet? Why don't you take it to a Poke mate? And I'm like, okay, cut, whatever. So I truly think that this is a higher mission and I'm just here doing God's work. And I know that's a loaded word, but I mean, every day I wake up, I'm like, can you guide me and direct me, please just show me what to do and how to do it. And I will do it because it's not the Courtney show.

Starting point is 01:55:43 Even though I wanted to be the Courtney show, like I think I should have been on Oprah already or Ellen and I'm pissed off about it. But ideally, it's not that. It's just I just need to show up and ask. And if you ask the universe, we'll guide you. Might not always guide you properly to shave your armpits correctly. But, you know, if you just do the next right thing, have good intentions, be a good fucking person and have faith and belief, you know, if you just do the next right thing, have good intentions, be a good fucking person, and have faith and belief, you know? And we'll see what happens. Excellent, fuck you.

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