Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 743: Maximizing Muscle Growth as a Natural Bodybuilder, the Benefits of Two-a-Day Training Sessions, Natural Ways to Boost Serotonin & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:39 and the harsh reality of aging. Man, we really covered a lot of good topics. It's a sexy, sexy episode early on. We talk about Trump's Amazon tweet and his trade war with China. Good discussion here. You moron. We also talk about the condom challenge.

Starting point is 00:00:59 It's not as fun as it sounds. No, no. From brought to you by the same kids that he iPods. Yeah, okay. Okay, similar. From brought to you by the same kids that he typods. Yeah, okay. Okay, similar. We talk about the YouTube shooter and giving people publicity who do bad things, we may think that may actually be contributing to the problem.

Starting point is 00:01:14 We talk about the importance of sleep for fat loss and muscle gain. I actually bring up a study that shows that sleep deprivation reduce fat loss by 50%. So make sure you get adequate sleep. Get some sleep. And then Justin and I have a nice conversation with Adam.

Starting point is 00:01:31 We're trying to sell him on having kids. They're not doing so well. We also, we also, you can trust us in this. We are real. We also did a thrive market unboxing. They are one of our sponsors. By the way, thrive market unboxing. They are one of our sponsors. By the way, Thrive Market, the largest distributor of all non-GMO products.

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Starting point is 00:02:12 In other words, rather than doing your full hour workout once a day, what if you divided that and did two 30 minute workouts? Would that give you better results? Would you get better gains? Would you get faster results? Find out in this episode. The next question was,

Starting point is 00:02:27 this is a natural bodybuilder is trying to put on a lot of muscle. He's also eating about 5,000 calories a day. Where does he go from here? Does he just keep eating more calories until infinity? Like, what? You couldn't do that. Advice do we give him? I could get expensive.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Find out in this episode. The next question was, what are the pros and cons of weekly versus monthly fasting? In other words, is it more beneficial to do short fasts every day, where you're doing like a 16 to 24 hour fast, or is it better to do these occasional long fasts? I've experimented with both.

Starting point is 00:03:01 I give you my personal anecdote, and Adam and Justin have some incredible input as well I do a fast fast finally fast fast finally last question This individual is being prescribed antidepressants, but they want to try to increase or improve their serotonin levels Naturally are there natural ways of doing that? We talk about resistance training. We talk about diet. We talk about sunlight. We talk about sleep We also mentioned brain.fm now brain FM is this We talk about resistance training, we talk about diet, we talk about sunlight, we talk about sleep, we also mentioned brain.fm.

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Starting point is 00:05:20 The new nickname for you I see on YouTube is the Silver Fox. God. Oh, no. So is the Silver Fox. I see on YouTube is the silver fox God Sal is a silver fox was that on YouTube to In sleek I didn't even know that that was this whole time I thought you were just Handsomish, but you're not you're a silver. I don't know what I didn't know that was a compliment I get someone on Instagram said that to me and then and I was with Jessica and I'm like you know was an insult Yeah, I had no idea. I'm like, I'm like, what the hell silver fox me even?

Starting point is 00:05:47 No, she knows saying you're old. She's like, you still got something. Yeah, she knows, she knows right away. I got the gas pro still. The gas, yeah. So I said, I said, I'm like, what is silver fox me? And she's like, why? Who said that?

Starting point is 00:06:00 Exactly. Who said that? Let me find that bitch. I'm like, take her out. No, she doesn't, she's not jealous like that. I'm like some girls, you know, set it to me And she's like yeah, that's a compliment. I'm like silver fox. I feel like it's a not it's like I feel like it's an underhanded Compile. Yeah, it's a back it back. I mean like you're like you know, you're you're hot for a fat guy Looks like yeah, you're a hotty fatty for an old guy. You're good looking

Starting point is 00:06:24 Like thank you're a hotty fatty for an old guy. You're good looking He's got them Jerry atric abs. You like a chubby brand pit. Yeah, cool. Thanks. Dude speaking. I get that a lot actually Speaking to getting old Adam you need to share Oh, you put me on front street like that. Oh conversation So I have invested in a tool that I never owned in my life before. What is it? Well, I'm driving in the car. You know, it's springtime, right?

Starting point is 00:06:50 So the sun's out. Looks gorgeous now outside here in Cali. And I look in the roof here and me. I'm gonna take off from my house. Sun's blasting in my face. And the light hits me just right. And I've got this group of hairs coming out of my hair. Oh, never had this in my life.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Dude, what the fuck? What the fuck? Dude, this is not supposed to happen to me right now. Let's have a Lucienery advantage. I'm only 36, man. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy.

Starting point is 00:07:19 I'm so happy. So you lose hearing, so you have to feel people now. Right? You get your little tentacles out. Your your little feelers. I thought you were 36 I thought you were 37 I turned 37 this year you turned 36 so right around that It's my thing right when you get on the other end of 36 and you start to get closer to 40 Weird shit starts to happen dude. You get the ear hairs. You get the eyebrow I got the eyebrow hairs That the owl kind of like crazy hairs that go away.

Starting point is 00:07:45 There's like four of them. And they just, they're like super hairs and they grow hell long and I was like, what was I doing? How was it? Oh, I was at Easter and I'm looking at someone, I'm like, what the fuck's in my eye? I'm trying to move and I grab it and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:08:00 there's something stuck here and it was attached to my eyebrow and I'm like, that's an eyebrow hair. Yeah, that's really long. Well, you can all rest assured that I took care of that shit. Like, I didn't let it go for longer than a day. It's gonna get worse. You got one of those things that goes in. Yeah, I got one of those little micro-toils.

Starting point is 00:08:14 Yeah, the micro-tools and I take care of the ears and the nose there. There it is, bro. Dude. It was devastating. It was like devastating for me. You were that upset? I was that upset.

Starting point is 00:08:25 It was, you know, it was, and I had to have like this like checking with myself. You had some cotton in there. Oh my God, that's hair. It was just because I never in my life have I dealt with it. And you've all seen that. We've all had a grandfather or an older uncle

Starting point is 00:08:37 or something, right? And he's got the hair growing out of his ear. And you're just fucking, when you're talking to him close, it's disgusting. Take care of that, dude. Oh yeah. And then for me to like, because here's the thing, I saw it because the sun hit right,

Starting point is 00:08:47 I just happened to be looking at myself in the rear of your mirror. How many days went by that I didn't see it? Well, so we know that. We noticed it, but we're, but me and Justin like, but I don't tell him. Let's humble him.

Starting point is 00:08:57 Let's make a little breezy, like, you know, wind behind him. What about the nose hairs? Those are getting gnarly. So, okay, I have this, you know, on that, right? So, I've got this beard thing right going on, right? So, my mustache is kind of growing out. And the way I found out about that

Starting point is 00:09:12 is I, it looked like my mustache was kind of fucked up. Like, I had hairs going in different directions. And so, I was trying to comb them and fix them. And I was like pulling on them straight in it and I pulled and it was like, it hurt. And I was like, oh, I hurt my nose. And I was like, and then and then I like look closely got one of my girls got one of those like make up mirrors You know because those things are like that'll tell you a lot. Yeah, you want to you see those chicks me You see the future in the

Starting point is 00:09:33 Yeah, you can't see the future of those mirrors. I saw every fucking white head and every I had on my like freak me out Right, so like the honey. I shrunk the kids kind of I saw I found the where the roots of this hair Was coming from my upper lip it was from my nostril and it was growing into my mustache And because I had a mustache I hadn't seen it if fucking mess with me, too, man terrible dude Well just weak for me. Well, just wait till you find a great pub. That's when that's when that's when you know Like shit is it the fan. Yeah, not actually great. It's like white. It's like dead. It's like it's totally just dying.

Starting point is 00:10:08 It's a wizard pub. That's what I call it. It is. You know, I've had now, it guides the way. I've had several of them. So it's like, I'm still 99% youthful in that area. 99.99% Oh, that's a high percentage.

Starting point is 00:10:24 But I get a few of them. And I'm just thinking to myself like at some point I'm probably like a 82 Wow, you got that many grades. They're coming. Yeah, you're more great. Winter's coming Winter scum My soldiers are a mount racer's tag with their scum So my question is like first like what at what's some point, they're gonna outnumber the dark ones. You just give up. You know what's crazy? I just let it go.

Starting point is 00:10:50 And until we, I know we talked about this a while back. I honestly didn't even, they didn't even cross my mind that that is gonna happen. Yeah. Because I haven't seen a lot of great dicks. In this, you know what I mean? You don't see what I have in the gym. In the locker room.

Starting point is 00:11:02 Think about all the old dudes watching them so I like to go around. I actually, I can't picture, you know, I have to say that, even though it's in my peripheral, I don't hone in on it. So I haven't like, I haven't really noticed all these guys. You gotta steer a little longer.

Starting point is 00:11:15 Yeah. His pay attention. Last bit, you know, not just at a corner of your eye, you really gotta like focus. Yeah, I just, it just didn't dawn on me that way. And if it did, I just kind of, I think I probably connected it to like There are white all over so just kind of that match the drapes match the carpet, you know saying so it's like oh no big deal

Starting point is 00:11:30 I didn't it didn't cry and I'm not gray and yet so it didn't really cross my mind like oh shit one day I'm gonna be walking around and my whole bush is gonna be fucking great. Yeah, man everything I I Keep that shit tight one area. Yeah, I do I tighten it up a little bit there you go back I just died though. There's not using a guard and go one. No, I was like blast for me Gar free. I wouldn't I wouldn't imagine here's a thing you could you could fucking trim the shit out of it and with no guard But it cuz you're all gray but by the time you're all gray that also means Your legit old now not like getting older like we are like then you're really old

Starting point is 00:12:03 Do you really want to have a fully bare old wrinkly at that point? I'm gonna do like designs and stuff at that point. Yeah, you don't really want to look at the veins instead That is depressing Just covered up Those more likely out of the four of us to have an added control for this guy probably What are these days gonna be like poke it out in front of a short out of hearts? Look at this dude. I was I pulled a pair of shorts out to wear today Oh look at it

Starting point is 00:12:36 Look at this guy, I know Bro, I just like I'm like how did this even happen? I don't even remember I might have been squatting down to pick something up and shhh, just did this to every crotch. Just the legit has a three inch, yeah. It's a big one. Gash in his crotch. I'm staring at his whiteie tighties right now. Yeah, I had to wear like white underwear too.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Thank you for not putting boxers on with that. Who buys white underwear these days? My wife bought, I told you guys, I know that those are only one horrible idea. Yeah. Oh, I have two. They're my, they stay in the back of the underwear drawer. I mean, it reveals everything.

Starting point is 00:13:09 I mean, it feels everything. It's the emergency, like if I wear white underwear, that means laundry's well over here. Yeah. Yeah. This is my last option. Those are the disposable ones. You can't wear them more than once.

Starting point is 00:13:19 So it's a good contrast. But I got to go on black shorts with like stark white coming out of the crotch. Yep. Well, here's the thing, like one part of my body, I actually can't wait till it's white and that's my chest hair. I know, I feel like if I have white chest hair and if I'm fit, I just look like, it just looks like that. Yeah, like, oh, look at that guy over there. He's a badass. He's obviously been doing that for a long time. Yeah, exactly. That's what I want there. He's done some war. I'm not trying to get white everywhere.

Starting point is 00:13:46 You know, funny you said, there is this, like, respect that you give the guy in the gym, who's got a physique still. And he's got white hair? Yeah, he's got white. Oh, always. He's like, which means he's north of 45, 50 years old in the gym.

Starting point is 00:14:00 He's a badass. And he's fit still. Yep. In the young little gym, buddy, he's still like, hey, you know, they're all like nice to him Every gym I've ever ran or whatever they're the old fit dudes They're gonna get all kinds of love they're they're they're gods Yeah, because if you're a young dude and you're yacht and you know how hard it is like you're supposed to be

Starting point is 00:14:17 Yeah, you're like, yeah, and that dude's fucking awesome and he's always so I always that's why I don't really you know I don't really sweat it. I'm cool. I'm cool We just have to be that guy. Yeah, that's the idea like if you get fat And then you're old well then forget about it. You're insignificant. So if you're fit and old and you throw money at that on top of it Yeah, you're in a whole another level now. Hey, I meant to ask you I didn't see you post anything or talk shit. I said about Trump's tweet on Amazon. I thought for sure you be all what you do with Amazon. Yeah, he was talking shit about Trump's tweet on Amazon. I thought for sure you'd be all right. What did you do with Amazon? Yeah, he was talking shit about Amazon. Look at him.

Starting point is 00:14:46 Look at him. Oh, is he trying to say that they're not paying their fair share of taxes and all that? No, no, no, no, Doug, look at Trump tweets about Amazon. It'll be trending right now. He's pissing me off lately, pretty bad. Well, you know what's worth the tear of. I was like literally waiting for you to talk about this

Starting point is 00:15:01 because I was like, you know what? I have an opinion on what these guys are always doing. Like, when you get to the level of like Trump or like Bezos, you have that kind of like, fuck you power. A lot of all of us, you know, little people, we see here in debate, like the policies and the moves and it's like, oh, this and that. And what we don't even realize, like, I think half the time,

Starting point is 00:15:20 like, these are just like fucking billionaires fucking with each other. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like Bezos and him don't monopoly more. Yeah, Bezos and Trump are just like fucking billionaires fucking with each other. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, Bezos and him don't monopoly more. Yeah, Bezos and Trump are not like friends. They're not cool. So Amazon owns Washington Post.

Starting point is 00:15:32 So Washington Post just drags Trump through the mud. So Amazon is one of the companies right now that's struggling with Facebook, Snapchat, and all these tech companies. The whole tech space right now is hurting, right? It's with all the shit that's coming out right now. And so I literally look at it like, this is just like how billionaires

Starting point is 00:15:51 like throw little fucking jabs at each other. Oh yeah. It's like, oh, look at this, my buddy. Especially when they're down on a function. My buddy, me, who I don't like, who always talks shit about me through his news article, looks like he's struggling right now. And he talks, I'm gonna throw a tweet out real quick.

Starting point is 00:16:03 Like gasoline. Right, a little $ million dollar punch in the Just stomach you say like that's exactly what it is exactly what it is Yeah, you know and I but I just wish he wasn't the president You know, I mean that was well he was talking so what he was talking shit about is the post office I'm reading it right now with you on that so he's saying that that the post office loses money because the because Amazon Uses them to ship so much fuck the post office. They shouldn't even exist. Yeah, I mean, honestly.

Starting point is 00:16:27 The dinosaur, fuck it. Yeah. It's super dinosaur. Antiquated. It shouldn't exist. 99% of the mail I get from them, I throw in the garbage. That's sponsored by mail.com. And as far as the Amazon making money off the,

Starting point is 00:16:41 that's a, you guys created that shit. Shut it down then. Yeah. And see what happens. So the law on the political lines, too, you guys created that shit, shut it down then. And see what happens. So the law on the political lines too, did you see that China threw a tariff on soybeans? Yeah, so that's their counter, right? Soy and soy cars and then some other chemicals.

Starting point is 00:16:55 We don't need soy. Well, here's the thing, what's your thoughts on that? Well, it's obvious. Trade wars, nobody wins a trade war, nobody. Anytime we raid, anytime we add a tariff to a product that's coming in here, what we're doing is we're just making that product more expensive for the consumer. So it sounds like a good idea because, you know, the president says, we're going to put a tariff on Chinese imports to protect American businesses and reality what it means is it's a new tax on a particular product.

Starting point is 00:17:25 So when you go to the store to buy said product, now it's now 20% more expensive. So if they do this to like steal, do you know how much steal is used in our economy? You just raise the cost of doing business by 20% for most things to save American businesses, but in reality what you're doing is you're just, you're taking more money from the consumer to what's the word subsidize another business

Starting point is 00:17:50 that you believe should be subsidized. The reality is if the consumer thinks that American businesses should do better than the American consumer just buys American products. And that's it. It shouldn't be forced that way. So it's no different than a subsidy. It's the same thing as a subsidy or a tax do you think that i mean i can't seems obvious that that would be the response do you think that trump new that going into it i think trump i don't know i mean if i had to speculate with what he was trying to do two things i think one he's trying to cater to his base

Starting point is 00:18:20 which he's got this base of republicans who are these nationalistic uh... america yet and there and their economic i mean their economic morons all of these people because they think it's actually good for the economy it's good for jobs not realizing that all they're doing is raising the cost of everything for everybody which is bad it's inherently bad for everybody including american jobs and american economics

Starting point is 00:18:44 but he's catering to them on one. And the other thing I think he's doing is he may be trying to use it to leverage negotiations. So he may use it in South-K, China. I've already raised these tariffs. Tell you what, if you lower the tariffs on our other products that you guys have always been doing, then we'll cut these out to type a deal.

Starting point is 00:19:03 But at the end of the day, it's us all paying for it. Nobody wins these things. And if it continues to go down this tip for tat, fuck man, that's gonna kill, it'll kill economic growth, it'll kill wealth for everybody. It's just stupid. You know how much everything would cost if everything was made in America?

Starting point is 00:19:19 Do you know what dumb that is? What a dumb idea that is? People don't realize just how stupid that idea of nationalism is. If everything was made in America, you would own probably. Do you think we just label it that way, though, just as a scare tactic for the other side? Sometimes I feel like we talk about these things that pop up, right, and we debate over what they're doing

Starting point is 00:19:39 or how stupid that is. But I mean, wouldn't you agree that it's more like chess? Like, don't you believe that politics is more like chess than checkers, don't you think so? Well, you can play chess all you want, but it's easy to play chess with other people's money. No, but I'm not, yeah, of course. And what I'm saying though is like, we get in here and we're debating a move like a pond just got taken out.

Starting point is 00:20:00 A pond just got taken out and we're like, that was a stupid move. You lost your pond. But it's like, that's because we can't see three, four moves ahead because we're not behind the scenes of everything like that That was killing that pond and how stupid that may seem to you is there's a bishop sliding behind that that's gonna put the other place and check like so here I want to believe that The men in the White House and the women in the White House are far more intelligent than I am or else they shouldn't be there. And so I got to think that if you think that their intentions are good, it doesn't necessarily mean they're always good.

Starting point is 00:20:33 I'm not saying that because sometimes it's brutal. I'm saying I don't think it's always in our best interest. But I think that when we get triggered by the headlines of the news put out there, like, oh, Trump tweets this and says this and then also when we get triggered by the headlines that the news put out there, like, oh, Trump tweets this and says this, and then also when we get on these debates, it's like we're debating something that is almost like what they want us to look at. They want to distract us with the pond being killed

Starting point is 00:20:53 so they can slide in behind and make another move that's 10 times bigger and way more profitable for them and way more important. Well, what they do, they do that all the time with bills. So what they'll do is they'll pass a bill that is like, and there'll be something in it that nobody will argue against like this new bill uh... you know increases funding for

Starting point is 00:21:09 nine eleven victims people who got you know sick from the dust or something like that and then in that bill though is all these other spending increases and all these other things that nobody ever talks about uh... politicians rich congressman rarely ever rarely read an entire bill before the past them uh... senator rand paul who i'm largely a fan of for the most part

Starting point is 00:21:31 ten in in just a matter is another guy house representatives they'll take a bill and they'll post pictures of every page and say now you read this and go through it and let me know what you think we just got this yesterday were supposed to vote on it today no way in hell anybody could read this entire thing and people will just vote, yes, no, whatever. Not even knowing what's in the bill.

Starting point is 00:21:49 I mean, the whole system is just, it's so fucked up and so insane. It's part of the game. It's absolutely stupid. But as far as this, you know, this, this chess pieces are concerned in playing games like this, like they're playing what he's doing is he's playing with our money. Here's what I would have done. I think he's playing more with our emotions. I think it's like he said it's feeding to,

Starting point is 00:22:07 it's feeding the, into his, his group of people that he wants to feed into because later on, he's gonna call upon them. Well, you're saying, how about this move? How does this sound? What if instead of saying, hey, Chinese solar panels are really, really cheap, far less expensive than American solar panels.

Starting point is 00:22:23 So what we're gonna do is we're gonna put a tariff on them to level the playing field which is what he said which in reality is just we're going to raise the price of everything instead what if he said this imagine if you said this instead chinese solar panels are more or cheaper or less expensive than american solar panels so what i'm going to do now is i'm going to wave all taxes for american solar panel companies so it can be more even how about that one why not instead of adding fucking taxes to everything? Why not cut taxes for everything and do that instead? Oh, you know that doesn't feed big government.

Starting point is 00:22:50 That's right. That's literally saying like, I'm gonna take a pay cut or we're gonna take my team, my guys, my people here are gonna take a cut for the better of the nation. I would love to see that. I would love to see him say, hey, you guys are taxing our cars because the truth is this, China, Japan, a lot of these other countries do put tariffs on American products to protect their own, which again, if they want to use their tax

Starting point is 00:23:15 money to whatever, it actually, it hurts a little bit, but it actually benefits anyway, because we still get cheaper, probably it's stupid. They're throwing their own money away, so let them do it. But if they did that and we don't like it, why not just cut our taxes so that the price is less? So that, when they slap the tariff on, our taxes are so much slower that it doesn't matter. Then have them add another tariff on top of it

Starting point is 00:23:35 and try and work their way out of that. I feel like there's better ways of doing these moves. He's just doing these really quick and easy ones. And maybe it's because he has the authority to add a tariff, whereas's because he has the authority to add a tariff whereas you might not have the authority to slash attacks that may require congress if i'm not mistaken so that's an interesting one yeah because he does have the authority easier and quicker he does have the authority to as the president to to add tariffs to different things but i know what does this really mean though for us as far as like i mean i'm not a big soybean

Starting point is 00:24:04 consumer so i don't give a fuck you know what i'm saying like so and I don't mass produce it like who is this really going to hurt immediately. You know probably the product products products with soy will just we'll cost more money. We'll sell less there'll be a smaller market for it we'll produce less of it in the in the price of the up so it's gonna it's gonna hurt soybean farmers it's gonna hurt American market it's gonna hurt world markets how, it's going to hurt American market. It's going to hurt world markets. How much of that do we require from China anyways? How much China is a massive... America is one of the largest producers of soy in the world.

Starting point is 00:24:35 So that's a big, big crop, cash crop for us. Oh, we're one of the number one producers of it. One of the number one producers. Well, if we're producing that much of it, why do we need them anyways? China? Yeah. China's, it's the number one producers. Well, if we're producing that much of it, why do we need them anyways? China? Yeah. China's, it's the most, everything. I mean, the Chinese market is so massive.

Starting point is 00:24:51 That's the thing about world markets that people don't really understand is that when you play this game and you try to hurt another country, it's a world market and you hurt yourself. And the larger that other country is, the more it hurts everybody. And China is the second largest market in the world

Starting point is 00:25:07 for you want them buying all your products. Well, I wonder which hurts more, right? Did this steel tariff fuck them more or did this soybean tariff fuck us more? This steel, it hurts everybody. Well, no, I know that. I know it hurts everybody, but I bet you there's, I mean, I bet you could almost mathematically figure out

Starting point is 00:25:21 who hurts more. And that's why I say, I bet you that when he threw this out here, you have to know, you gotta be smart enough to know that that's their possibility to retaliate and you're okay with it. Cause in your head, you're going, I don't care if you nail that.

Starting point is 00:25:34 I mean, you're gonna hurt us by $10 billion. We're fucking you by $40 billion. Well, it's a net 20 for us. So go ahead and tear off the fuck out of me. I don't, I'm shit. No, I think it just, everybody gets fucked, but I think, oh, it never works evenly. Well, not evenly, but what I mean is everybody ends up,

Starting point is 00:25:50 you know, paying the cost for inefficiency in the market. Well, is that true if it's a net, if it's a net win for us by 20, if, and I'm using total hypothetical numbers and I'm just, I'm just challenging the thought process. Here's, you know, what, what if that's what it is? It hurts America by $20 billion, but then it hurts China by $40 billion.

Starting point is 00:26:09 Everybody's getting hurt, but the net loss for us making that power move is, it's a net gain of 20. It's not a gain, it's that we lost less than they did. Right, right. So that's a game of attrition. That's how, that's partially one of the reasons, one of the strategies that we use to motivate countries to do what we want to do. No, no, no, no, no, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no ramped up military spending. So we tried to keep up with us. It's one of the reasons why Soviet Union collapsed.

Starting point is 00:26:45 They basically bankrupted themselves with the amount of money that they were trying to spend to keep up with us. But now we're left with a military budget that's just, because it never goes away, number one. And it cost us a lot of money to do that. Now, the argument can be made that the Cold War was a completely different situation.

Starting point is 00:27:02 And I agree, you had nukes pointed at each other, triggers ready to be pulled, that was a real situation. China, there's almost no risk that we're gonna be in a military, have a war with them or anything like that. This trade war, yeah, it's a war of attrition, who can suffer the most economically before they give up, type of deal.

Starting point is 00:27:24 Everybody suffers when they do that. And here's a deal. Do we want China to suffer economically? Do we want, you know what happens to our market if China loses 10% of the market? The question is, is it inevitable? If we don't have a world leader, you know, and everyone's gonna have different views

Starting point is 00:27:44 and they're gonna have different governments that run and policies will never always be aligned. And so the question is, is it inevitable that there's always gonna have these disagreements where we don't align and therefore, in a sense to me, this is like war just war in a different way. It's a trade war. Right, it's a trade war. We're not fighting and killing people, but there is strategy to all these moves And I think getting hung up on some of the details sometimes is crazy It would be the same thing if we talked about a huge world war and we are we are debating over the way One soldier fought the other soldier and breaking down the entire war based off of this one interaction between two men

Starting point is 00:28:21 When there's hundreds of thousands of people involved in this whole war That's how I feel about when we talk about business trade wars and things like that, is that there's so many moving pieces to this war to get hung up on one move or the other and talk like we are a thwart. I think it's a part of it, but I also think that this is directly, you can see the direct cause and effect. It was Trump adding tariffs on their stuff. Now this is retaliation.

Starting point is 00:28:48 It's gonna keep going back and forth. By the way, trade wars historically tend to escalate and they lead to not so good war. Sometimes they lead to where you start to isolate countries, you start to ban products. Well, that's what I'm interested in the motivation, you know, more than anything. Like where? Like where's his direction with that?

Starting point is 00:29:08 Like, obviously, you have an agenda going to, yeah, to please, you know, certain people in the party and all that as far as the nationalism's concerned. But, you know, what's the end goal? And like, you know, with China and Russia being like, these powers and he wants to be, you know, USA, we gotta be the world's superpower. Number one, like what does this look like? It reminds me when guys get into big arguments too,

Starting point is 00:29:31 like about a sport like football. Like I love talking to my uncle who just is like a frickin football fanatic. And as a consumer, you're sitting down and you're watching the game and you see a play that the coach calls at home, we're like this. You idiot, that was the stupidest call you've ever done. And I just, inside of me, I kind of laughed because I'm like,

Starting point is 00:29:49 you have no idea that the preparation that went into that, that one single game by all the coaches on that team, all the players in there. And for all you know, that failure is setting up a success later down the road because that's part of the trap. And so why would I think it's any different when we're playing at an even higher level when we talk about politics and trade?

Starting point is 00:30:09 I think it's because you're assuming, and a lot of people do this, a lot of people will assume, especially when it's their party that's in control, is they assume the intentions are pure and good. No, that's not true. I don't think we all assume that. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't assume release i don't i don't assume that well you think what you're assuming is that it's part of this grand plan that's gonna help america and all that

Starting point is 00:30:29 stuff no no no no no no no no no i'm not assuming that it's part of grand grand plan benefiting trump it just it just means that i know there's a hell of lot more than meets the i that's what it means it means that i i have i have a small fraction of information right now. And for me to get too opinionated about it is naive of me to think. It's the same way that's like I said, somebody getting angry at a play call

Starting point is 00:30:54 when they don't see the whole vision of the game. That's all I did. And sometimes the game may be played wrong and you lose. So he may play and lose. But the problem is we don't know what the game is. You don't see what the game they're playing. And it's probably safe to assume that the game is to benefit his donors, to benefit, you know, to get people from his party to like them and to benefit special interests. I believe that. Only because historically that's how it's

Starting point is 00:31:19 always worked out. It's almost never, you know, this is better for, you know, truly better for the country, truly better for the average person. Do you think in our lifetime we're gonna see it all collapse? What, just, I mean, it's knowing that what you're saying right now. I mean, you have to know that that's not a long-term way to run a country or for us to be successful long, long-term.

Starting point is 00:31:40 Do you believe that it's got to fail eventually? And we're in a sense, we're slowly dying right now when you talk about our debt and the direction we're going, where we're going with health. I mean, do you believe it's inevitable that it's a slow bleed? I don't really see it being like this immediate sort of catastrophe that is like very visibly obvious to everybody. I think that they're just like like they restructure everything like as it collapses My personal belief is that it's gonna collapse but not because let this catastrophic You know empire collapsing that causes revolution a lot stuff

Starting point is 00:32:15 I think it's gonna collapse because it's gonna be obsolete. I think technologies I agree. I think I come in hot. I think technology is decentralizing everything to, it's going to decentralize everything to such a point where government is going to be, nobody's going to care, nobody's going to want, government, anything, because tech is going to out-compete it. Just, look, it's going to happen with education. Less and less people are going to put their kids in school, or less and less people are

Starting point is 00:32:44 going to pay for education. It's going to happen in the medical system, where people are going to be able to solve problems through these market solutions that are a lot cheaper, more efficient. It's happening with entertainment. It's going to happen with defense. It's going to happen with everything where I'm not going to care about FDA regulations when I have a device that shows me what's

Starting point is 00:33:08 in my food right now. Why am I going to even care about that? Why am I going to spend all this money on school when I can have my kid do this thing over here that costs a little bit of money, gives them way better education, way better opportunities, or why am I going to worry about money, you know, regulated money when I can use cryptocurrencies that aren't going to inflate, allow me to buy things without getting tracked, seem to be safer. Like all these things, you know,

Starting point is 00:33:30 why am I gonna buy these products over here when I can 3D print them at home? Like, I think it's gonna be so decentralized that it's just, it's not gonna matter. Right. Meanwhile, you'll still have like ridiculous challenges going on, like the condoms snorting challenge. Did you guys hear about this? Did you hear about this?

Starting point is 00:33:46 What? Did you hear about this? What? A condom snorting? Snort a condom. And then like basically horket through your mouth. No, no, no, you mean like actually a condom like goes in your nose and you snort it all the way.

Starting point is 00:33:58 The whole thing? Yeah. That's possible. Yeah. It was like a old challenge he resurrected from the kids who ate tide pot. Yeah, exactly This is like the next thing from the tide pods like what would you from there? Can duck worth dug it when dug you gotta you gotta bring me a video upon this

Starting point is 00:34:12 I just can be stupid it will still is this going viral right now on YouTube or what it is condoms Norton you see it to what yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know You know what I think hopefully it's not used. I don't know if kids are dumber today or if it's just cause social media allows a shit to spread cause when we were kids, there was some stupid shit too, but nobody shared it. Well, yeah, remember like there was stuff

Starting point is 00:34:36 like where you'd lean against the wall and you'd push on somebody's chest out. You guys ever do that? I do remember that. No, wait, I didn't do that. I always made fun of everybody did that. I mean, myself passed out doing that. I remember that was really weird do that. I always made fire but I did I mean myself pass out doing that I remember that was really weird. That's crazy man the condom challenge the condom challenge

Starting point is 00:34:50 What? Here's how this went viral. Yeah, so these are like, yeah, you ain't no one snorting the gold coin That's too much You ain't snorting. You're doing one of these planet pair hoods. Pulling that out of your mouth. Planned a paired hood, 15 year old penis condoms. You know what I'm saying? Like, this man's condom.

Starting point is 00:35:13 You hate snorting that. You're getting the extra small. Yeah, no, so you snort it and you pull it out of your mouth. And it's the thing now. But again, I think it's just because they can share the shit. Oh, it's the thing now. But again, I think it's just because they can share the shit. Oh, it's eating typos now. It gained wide internet attention in 2013. Oh, wow. So it was already a thing before. But now it's becoming a bigger thing viral again. Yeah. It's just disgusting. Why is this old guy doing this? Now is this a brand new

Starting point is 00:35:40 condom or is it? I mean, I have to say though, the, this is better than the tie-ball challenge. It's better than the tie-ball challenge. It's a tie-ball. Someone's gonna choke. Someone's gonna choke and then it's gonna get, and you know what's gonna happen? Donnie died. Can I tell you what'll piss me off?

Starting point is 00:35:59 This isn't pissing me off. You want to sort of condom fine? I'm gonna go fuck you. Here's what'll piss me off. If you want to do. If this makes all of a sudden some fucking bureaucrats like we need warning labels on condoms that say don't snort the-

Starting point is 00:36:11 Oh my God, imagine that. That's when I'll get mad. Oh. That's when I'll get pissed off. Cause there was a whole push for the tide pods. Yes, snort. There was a whole thing for the tide pods where some politician was saying how you need to shit,

Starting point is 00:36:22 you should, they need to change the way they look because they look too appetizing. Whoa, you see what? That just popped up right now, the challenge of... Oh, these are all the challenges that have been popular. Did you see what, they just popped up? I didn't even see that one before. That was a lot. The Kylie Jenner lips one. Yeah, that's where you create suction in the glass and then put it over your lips to make them plump.

Starting point is 00:36:41 You tried this didn't you? No, I know. I feel like you tried this. Not my lips. Your lips look fuller lately. No, I feel like you tried this. Not my lips. Your lips look fuller lately. No, you did do this. That's just because they're that way. Yeah, it's just not your lip voluptuous. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:52 Anyway, that's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Speaking of ridiculous, you guys saw what happened at YouTube yesterday? Was it yesterday? No, yeah, the shooting. You guys see that? No.

Starting point is 00:37:04 There was a shooter on the campus of YouTube. She was pissed off because YouTube, like her videos, I guess, were seeing a certain amount of views and then they changed the algorithm. So her videos couldn't be seen. This is an outside person coming in onto the campus. And so she went on there and started shooting and shit. She's also a vegan activist.

Starting point is 00:37:23 Yeah, she's a hardcore. What does that have to do with you shooting? Nothing. Nothing. I just thought it was weird. She's also a vegan activist. Yeah, she's a hardcore. What does that have to do with you shooting you? Nothing, nothing. I just thought it was weird. She's like a professional. Well, it'd be an angry. Well dude, it's three strange things. That's a thing to adjust to.

Starting point is 00:37:31 She's a mass shooter and she's a female. That's usually not common. She's a vegan activist. I don't know if that even makes a difference but that's kind of weird. What else? She was pissed off about their algorithm. You know, I've seen it all over people posting on Instagram now,

Starting point is 00:37:46 and the thing I don't like about things like this, I hate that we give light to it. Yeah. Because people, and you see always people like, I can't believe this, and then we get these marches behind it. It's just using it's like, dude, this stuff happens less today than it ever did before. It's actually less than the 90s that actually happen more often.

Starting point is 00:38:03 Right. That's what I'm saying. It's happening less, but what we have now that we didn't have than the 90s that actually happen more often. Right. That's what I'm saying. It's happening less but what we have now that we didn't have in the 90s was fucking Instagram and Facebook. Yeah, so everybody's a reporter now. And everybody's an expert on everything now. And then when we have something like this, we give light to it. You know what it does?

Starting point is 00:38:17 It allows some kid that some fucked up kid over in some state all by himself that has, all he has is connection to you to the risk and our podcasting who now here's about something that he probably would have never found about across the country and gives him an idea now you know like oh I want all that nobody knows who I am I want to be the way you know I hate life already and I already was thinking about killing myself may as well go out with a bit I don't know if you realize this but that's actually

Starting point is 00:38:41 statistically true thing I logically speaking they've talked about how the more often something happens, the more often. Yeah. Yes. It's funny when it comes to like robbing our banks, you guys know that? Do you guys know that? You don't hear about how many of you need to rob.

Starting point is 00:38:56 You guys know that? I didn't know this. I didn't know this. When you know that. Yes, successful bank robbings do not get reported on the news. Do they have an order to sign? Are you sure? That's 50% of robberies are successful i have heard about this you never hear about it why was that i wonder why do i have to worry will protect our banks

Starting point is 00:39:14 you know i know of three i'm not a live matter i know of three are they didn't catch all the time dude i know locally banks that have been robbed that i didn't hear about on the news or anywhere else, but I know they were, it was successful. I heard it from the employees there. Yes. I was like, oh my God, you're seriously, yeah, we've been robbed. So it's just funny to me that we've put things in place. I know that.

Starting point is 00:39:36 Yeah, bro. Is it a law or is it that the banks? Oh, I don't know if it's a law. Okay, maybe the banks themselves. They just have like an internal. Yeah, and they want to keep it quiet because it kills their business Right, and that could be a possibility like I'm not saying that it's something that we've legislated for and it's a law or anything like that by any means

Starting point is 00:39:52 But I do know that's been in effect for a very long time that there's a bunch of people like out there like point break style You know coming in for sure. I think the percent of them are successful Yes, I read it's been a while since I read that stuff. I always thought that rubbing a bank was like guaranteed to get caught. Of course you did, you know why? Because that's the perception that you have. Wow. Because you always see the guys get the stupid bank robber, right?

Starting point is 00:40:16 Yeah. It's on the news. It's criminals or shit. He rubs the bank with a fake gun and there was five grand in there. What an asshole. It gets caught on the way to fucking Starbucks afterwards. Yeah, because it's always like that. It's true. Don't give you the money with the frickin ink on it and all that shit Oh, you watch to it's TV. Yeah, it's not like that

Starting point is 00:40:33 I mean that's I'm sure they have situations like that, but no, it's not like that at all Wow, I did not know that yeah, it's crazy, right? So I've have you guys ever seen a bank robbery like in person Yeah, like ever do you have you guys ever been near one or whatever? No, I mean, 17 closed down because they... Remember that one? Yeah, they're driving away and they still didn't. Yeah, they got into a gun fight with cops. Cops were killing even and still didn't catch him.

Starting point is 00:40:55 They still didn't catch him. So much. So half my family works in banks. My brother has actually been robbed twice in his bank and the bank said he's working. So yeah, two times he's been in a bank. And you know how bank robberies usually happen? It's a, it's just a no.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Like a guy will walk up to the, to the teller. This much. It's not like the movies are like, everybody get down. They don't do any of that shit. They walk in, they walk in. Those guys get caught. Because they follow the movies. They'll hand a no and the no will say like, you know,

Starting point is 00:41:20 give me a hundred thousand dollars. I have a gun if you don't, whatever. And they're, it's structured to do exactly as I say. Right. And don't make any sound and they hand over the money to leave. And then afterwards, they're like, we just got robbed. So, both times my brothers been in a bank that got robbed.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Both times, he found out they got robbed after the guy left. Wow. Because then the person will say, we just got robbed. You know, the guy just asked for money or whatever. And nobody will know what's happened. That's why they have it a silent alarm, right? That's why they have the little button

Starting point is 00:41:45 that they hit underneath the counter, right? So my old studio was right next, maybe like three doors down from a chase bank or whatever, and it got robbed while I was there, and I'll never forget, I'm like training clients, and then I see how the cop cars just roll up to the bank. I'm like, what? And the cops come over and they're like, you know, do you guys see anybody walking this way or whatever? I'm like, what just have this? It's and they're like, you know, do you guys see anybody walking this way

Starting point is 00:42:05 or whatever? I'm like, what just have I just got robbed? I had no idea. Right next door. Yeah, I bet you all those got away. You think they all got away? Yeah, well, do you remember what happened with your brother? Did you ever remember what he said?

Starting point is 00:42:14 Like, oh man, let's just print some more money. No, it's a good question. I don't think you'll know if they got caught or not. Yeah, I don't want, I wonder if they would tell him. Sure, you sure they would. Well, maybe not though, maybe that's part of the how they protect it and they don't let people know. They don't say anything. They don't say anything.

Starting point is 00:42:25 They don't say anything, you know, I don't know. But I just find that fascinating that something like that to protect the banks, to protect the money like that, we've put either systems or laws or things in place to make sure they happen. But then when it comes to shit like this, you know, it's like, well, there are laws now. If you sue a vaccine manufacturer,

Starting point is 00:42:44 I don't know if you guys knew this. If you sue a vaccine manufacturer, I don't know if you guys knew this, if you sue a vaccine manufacturer, that they have to keep it quiet, and if you win, it's kept very quiet. And there's a specific laws around this to protect the vaccine companies, because the government has deemed vaccine so important that they don't want people's opinions to be suede,

Starting point is 00:43:03 suede, or whatever. But no, this is legit. I don't know all the details, but it's actually true. I've actually looked it up. So there is some kind of funny stuff like shenanigans, yeah. A little bit of shenaniganism. Ah, shenanigans.

Starting point is 00:43:15 Going on. So anyway. Always agenda in my opinion. Hey, so check this out. This is, this has to do with health, but it's a study that just, that I read the other day. It's a randomized controlled trial. It was published, I think in 2010, but it's a study that just, that I read the other day, it's a randomized controlled trial. It was published, I think in 2010, but it's very interesting.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Somebody posted it in our forum. One of the things I love about our forum, by the way, is a lot of the studies, probably a good half of the studies that I talk about on the show, I see it on the forum now. People will post them, then I'll, they're finding them at the same time. They're fine, no, no, no, they'll find them.

Starting point is 00:43:44 They'll find them, they'll post it in the forum. I'll read it in the forum. I'll be like, oh cool, I should talk about this on the show. So it's becoming the great resource for. There's some smart people in there. There's a few people in particular on there who, what's his name? Joe, Taloriko, Joe Baguadona, it's, remember him?

Starting point is 00:44:00 Yeah, I suspect it's from Blockstreet. It is some blockstreet. He blocked for us for a little while. So he likes to show send me studies and he posted this one. And it's a study that shows that insufficient sleep undermines dietary efforts to reduce body fat. So in this study, they had individuals either sleep

Starting point is 00:44:18 for eight and a half hours or five and a half hours a night. The people who slept for five and a half hours lost half as much body fat. Wow. And and lost 60% more fat-free body mass. They actually lost at least the same diet, same regimen, everything. Pretty much, absolutely, pretty much. So it's pretty interesting how sleep can affect the body.

Starting point is 00:44:43 I mean, obviously there's some variables in there that make a difference in the individual variance and so on that, but that drastic of a difference is that's crazy. substantial. Yeah. 55% more. And they also noticed, of course, they were hungrier. They crave different foods.

Starting point is 00:44:56 They probably, I mean, you don't feel as good as you don't move as much. So many factors to consider, right? It goes back to, I mean, we've been saying this for a long time on the show that it's one of those insense. It's one of those big rocks, right? It's like before you go over and invest in the latest greatest supplement or pre workout or whatever breakthrough thing that we have right now,

Starting point is 00:45:14 like get rid of the ones that are probably making a difference of 50%. It's like you never allow yourself to get balanced again. Like having sleep allows everything to kind of reset and then you get your you know, your performance Definitely is affected. I wish I wish I was as aware as I am now about sleep when I was in my 20s I wish yeah, because I know what I accomplished in my 20s I know how hard I worked and how I could fucking do what go crazy

Starting point is 00:45:38 I imagine if you're just trying to be a fish in it. Imagine if I understood the importance of actually getting just trying to be efficient at it instead. Imagine if I understood the importance of actually getting good quality sleep, because it's not like I can't, like today, if I wanted to, if I wanted to, I could go five hours a night and fucking drive through and take a bunch of stimulants to do all this stuff. It's just I'm so aware now of the difference

Starting point is 00:45:56 that I make it more of a priority. Now of course I am older, so I'm probably not as, I can't get away with it like I used to, but if I knew that in my 20s, my God, I would've made, first of all, the gains I can't get away with it like I used to, but if I knew that in my 20s, my god, I would have made the gains that would have made what you would have been better. The obvious side of it is think about this, like everybody knows it's like everyone's had a day where they didn't sleep, right?

Starting point is 00:46:14 Everyone's had something that kept them up for 24 hours. Think about how you felt the next day, right? Everybody knows that like brain fog, awful groggy, and then you just fucking crash. So what makes us think? Things for days. That's the extreme version, right? Very few people are going obviously no one's going every single day not sleeping as you would die, right? So but that is a small like example of look what happens when you just for 24 hours when you don't get sleep how the body like how it feels just feels like you got hit by a train, right? Well then what

Starting point is 00:46:41 makes you think that it's not just scale that back, you know, you missed three hours or you missed one hour, like it may not feel as dramatic, but it's that detrimental to the body. Right, it's that detrimental to the body. And look at it, because we see it in that exaggerated form when we miss it for 24 hours, what makes me think that every time I miss 10 minutes or 20 minutes or an hour or two hours,

Starting point is 00:47:01 that it's not detrimental to my success and of my health. It's when you lose sleep, when you lack sleep, you're inducing that fight or flight response of the body because you want to stay awake the next day. Evolutionarily speaking, of course, this makes sense. If you had a terrible night of sleep the next day, you still need to have energy and stuff to hunt or to gather food or whatever. And so what happens, your body puts you in this state of fight or flight by increasing stress hormones

Starting point is 00:47:29 like cortisol, because cortisol gives you energy. Cortisol is the hormone, by the way, that wakes you up in the morning, or at least it's supposed to. Cortisol gives you energy. In the short term, this is a good thing. You want that boost the cortisol if you're tired and run down, especially if you need to get some,

Starting point is 00:47:44 you know, you got a hunt or you got to find food or you got to get shelter and that kind of stuff. So that goes up, catacletal meme production goes up to keep you wired because these are all adaptations that your body has to compensate for the lack of sleep. But that's okay in the very, very short term. If you prolong that and you consistently maintain that fight or flight response on a daily basis, well, we know what that can do to the body. I mean, studies show that chronic sleep deprivation shrink the brain, actually cause the brain to start to kill itself a little

Starting point is 00:48:15 bit. So it's, sleep deprivation, by the way, is connected to pretty much every chronic disease you can think of. Pretty much, it increases the chances of getting almost all chronic diseases that they've done lots of studies on. Everything from diabetes to Alzheimer's to autoimmune diseases, every single one of them lack of sleep, makes worse or accelerates. So it's just one of those things that is it's at the top, top, top of the list. And if you're trying to burn body fat and build muscle and you're like, you know, I don't even care about my long-term health, let's say you're young. I don't have a kid.

Starting point is 00:48:48 Yeah, exactly. I don't have a kid. Snack is not animal. What's that like? Oh, God. Oh yeah, not getting that at all. How's your buddy? What buddy?

Starting point is 00:48:56 Oh my gosh, that's right. That's what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't talk to him very much anymore. Hahaha. Weird. Yeah, no. He's definitely not sleeping very much right now. And it's funny you brought my buddies up right now

Starting point is 00:49:08 because I actually had something I was gonna share with you guys along the lines of getting old. You know, talking about the hair thing. So I have two best friends you've heard me talk about on the show a lot that we go all the way back to childhood. I mean, they're like family to me. These are my brothers, right? So I would do anything for them.

Starting point is 00:49:23 But we've all grown and gotten older and we have different things that we're into. And they tease me a lot because I'm the one who keeps hanging on to youth. You know what I'm saying? I just, I wanna still do the athletic sport. I wanna snowboard, I wanna wakeboard, I wanna play basketball still.

Starting point is 00:49:36 I wanna be, I wanna do these things. Like I still wanna dress in style and be hip and things like that. Like my buddies have just cashed in on all that shit. Fuck it all, you know what I'm saying? There, yeah, the jeans and the white T-shirt every single day don't give a fuck about style. Astrosuits, fashion, quit all real sports,

Starting point is 00:49:53 play things like golf and fishing. Like, I mean, this is with the direction that they're going. And so we have a group thread right there we're in. And what we do still have all in common is we're all big sports fanatics. So we do have our sports teams that we talk about. But like I was looking at our thread

Starting point is 00:50:06 and it's just, it's turned into this home improvement thing. So they're on this like kick of like, it's so cool to talk about, you know, remodeling their bathroom. Everybody's like, Al Borland. Oh totally dude, or building like it's just fucking, you know, this new like shelf, you know, it's just like super cool. And we share pictures on our thread all the time.

Starting point is 00:50:24 I got nothing to contribute to the worst. We got all these ideas of Pinterest. Yeah, totally dude Like did you say that out loud my boys? man, I fucking love a man and it's it's cool that that that's where they're at in their lives And I think they're it's totally awesome and I see that I'm sure there'll be a time where I get off on that stuff But right now I just that's not my thing dude Like I'm not on my free time on the weekends like tearing my bathroom apart and rebuilding all the way like that's and I don't know if It'll ever be me. Yeah, I don't know if I'll ever be that guy I just you're gonna you're gonna you're when it's time I do that of necessity

Starting point is 00:50:58 You're gonna embrace it so hard. I can't wait to see it. Oh the opposite. Oh, bro I'll be like 10 to 2 and the second second you have it, you're gonna be like car, wood carving. Like, I guarantee it. Bro, I'm just gonna be like a wood carving. You watch. The second he has a kid and you know, gets his house and all that stuff,

Starting point is 00:51:12 he's gonna be coming here with a baby born on. Yeah. Oh, I want to just connect with the baby to get my baby. Yeah, he sits in here and we're like a little like Jordan's feeding the baby. Where I won't debate. Which would be great.

Starting point is 00:51:22 I won't debate you on that part of me because I do know, I see how I am with my dogs Right and I know that something that's a living breathing being that came for me I'm obviously gonna feel even stronger about than the way I and I treat them like on another level as far I treat them like humans at least that's the or like a kid. Oh, yeah You're gonna be super dad for sure I'm sure when it comes to the dad thing I will be that asshole that does take his kid around all the place and you know Just try to be super dad so well. Yeah, cuz you guys will be like I know what he's got here right now

Starting point is 00:51:49 No, I love it like like you hate that little shit two years You get it coming with like throw up on your shirt. Yeah, but I'm in your shirt, bro Oh, good. I'd say that warning breakfast throw up on my sneaker game. Yeah, exactly But anyway, so you haven't talked to him about help help good asleep No, we have a little bit and they you know know, they're, he's not sleeping very much right now and his life 100% is revolved around the kid. But I mean, again, he's like a brother to me, so it's like I haven't, I have it, you know, a niece and a nephew coming, you know, so I would say, I don't know, Justin, if

Starting point is 00:52:18 you agree with me, the lack of sleep is probably, probably the hardest part. That's the one. I think so, huh? Because it's a whole life adjustment. You just know you're never getting it back. And they say it's what, like, it's why. It takes a long time to come to terms with that. That's true.

Starting point is 00:52:34 What do you think is, I miss it. What do you think the time is? I've heard guys say six, the first six months are like rough and then after that, it's easier. I've heard some guys just say the first month is easier. No, I'm not. It's easier.

Starting point is 00:52:44 I mean, it's rough. It never gets easier. No. Get the fuck outta here with that. Well, dude, it's easier. I've heard some guys just say the first month is easier. No, never gets easier. I mean, it's rough. It never gets easier. No, get the fuck outta here with that. Well, dude, it's getting out of here. Dude, change it, dude. It's just like even having a puppy, dude. Like it's pissing on your floor and changing diapers. It's a lot different than a puppy.

Starting point is 00:52:56 We're going to tell you that right now. Well, I believe that, but you mean it's tell me it doesn't get easier? I mean, yes, in scale. Yeah, in some ways it does. Scale, we're going to get to fight. I mean, it's not like you are right now. Okay, so this won't exist anymore.

Starting point is 00:53:07 Yeah, I get it, but this thing. Well, even now, in your day. Even now, when my daughter, my kids are with me, you're not selling me on the idea. Well, no, at all. And we're trying to build this idea that's real. No, listen, my kids were really good sleepers too. Really, really good.

Starting point is 00:53:23 We did a good job with, you know, when they would go to bed, if they cried, we would let them cry a little bit just to make sure, and a lot of times they fall asleep, I think a lot of parents make the mistake of like constantly bringing the kid in the bed all the time, which is a big mistake, especially with a partner. You could cry it out.

Starting point is 00:53:36 Yeah, you let them cry a little bit and let them figure it out and give them a little bit of time because a lot of times they just, they'll just go to sleep, sometimes they won't, and you gotta go in there and figure out what the problem is. But even now, like my youngest is eight. Still, you know, when I'm with them,

Starting point is 00:53:49 maybe one or two nights out of the nights that I have them over a course of a week or so, I'll still get the, you know, in a room, I hear her, boopah, boopah, boopah. One little voice, and it'll just be like them, like having a dream. And then what exactly, and then what happens is I go in there, because I'm all worried,

Starting point is 00:54:05 how are you doing, honey, everything okay, good, you know, kiss, hug, okay, here's some water, can you get me this, okay, I get that, then they go to sleep, but then as the dad, because what happens when you hear their voice, like there's certain noises that will not... And now an alert has gone off in your brain, and so now you probably can't sleep very well.

Starting point is 00:54:21 It's a response. And this might be just my experience too but yeah like so that one time my youngest he swallowed a marble oh the night right like dude he was like I mean we had to get take him to the emergency room anyway horrible so ever since then like there's just like any noise will set me off the middle of the night that like it sounds like it like something in the air even, dude, I'll get up and I'll just, ah, like, crotty chop my way downstairs. It, I'm fucking, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Like, I don't know, dude, I don't know, like until he's like, maybe a teenager, I think, I'll probably be like cool again. Yeah, sounds awesome. Probably probably not. You know when you won't sleep when they're a teenager? When they're out, when they're sneaking boys into their room or sticking girls up it. Stop it, stop it right there.

Starting point is 00:55:10 Yeah, I did all those ideas. Oh, damn it. Dude, so the biggest challenge I think I'm gonna have is when they both start dating, I think that's when I'm gonna have the biggest challenge because I know how that can be, you know, with teenagers and all that stuff. And, you know, if my son gets his heart broken or if my daughter does, or if they wanna start having sex, or they wanna start experimenting, and, you know, because they're out of the house,

Starting point is 00:55:34 I think that's gonna, that might invoke old school Sicilian style. Come out a little bit. Which is not good. It's not good parenting. I can, I know it logically, but it might come out You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it might when we were actually having this conversation the tonight

Starting point is 00:55:49 We were watching this movie and I don't remember what it was But this girl was like arguing with her dad and she runs out of the house and like jumps on the back of a guy's motorcycle And she's like you don't understand me and then they write off I'm out of here and I can't yeah and the dude's like yeah, obviously a fucking want to cry. Bro, he's obviously a fucking loser riding off with your daughter. Here's the funny thing. It's a horrible visual. Here's the funny thing, 20 years ago, I would identify with the guy in the motorcycle,

Starting point is 00:56:13 but like, yeah, I'd be the one taking the girl away. I'm kidding about it. Now I'm looking at the, like, I'm feeling for the dad. Like, oh my God. So I had this conversation with Jessica, and she's like, how would you react to something like that? And I'm like, well, I've thought about this, actually, I've thought a lot about this.

Starting point is 00:56:27 And what I would do, just kill them. Because you can't do anything to your kid because then they might rebel even further. And they're old enough to fucking run away or do some crazy, right? So what I would do is I would do it in such a sneaky way. Like I'd wear a ski mask. And I'd scare the fuck out of the guy so bad,

Starting point is 00:56:46 and I'd be like, you know, you know, it's so-and-so's dad set me, you know what I mean? Shoot him in the foot, you know what I mean? Just scare the fuck out of him. And if you come back, we'll kill you. I have your address or something like that. Yeah, you get a mentally just torment. No, I'm fine to make worse.

Starting point is 00:56:59 I'm mostly joking. Mostly joking. No, no, no, you're not. I forgot I'm being recorded. I would do the same. Yeah, this would be used in court one day, sorry. Bring it on the bird, Doug. Before we get going on this,

Starting point is 00:57:09 we do have a thrive market box. Yes, yes, we have been in this for a while. I miss these boxes. I want some gifts. I do feel like it's been a while. Why has it been a while? Is there a reason why I'm here? There's only peanut butter in the world.

Starting point is 00:57:19 Yeah, we did a little hiatus. Thrive market restarted their contract with us here in April. That was a power move by Mind Pump right there. There you go. You better pay us our money. We're not gonna open your boxes. We're gonna use it. It worked.

Starting point is 00:57:31 No, we keep ordering the boxes anyway. We've got a few stacked up here. But there's a few factoids I wanted to share with you about Thrive Market. It's an interesting company. 70% of Thrive Market catalog cannot be found on Amazon. Wait, wait, wait, 70% You can't find most of these things on Amazon. That's exactly right. Well, you mean the actual product or products like that Is that what it means? The actual product the actual product brand or whatever right because everybody that's fascinating because Amazon has everything well I had a client. I don't have 70% of yeah, no

Starting point is 00:58:03 I have a client that sharply't have 70% of what's in there. Yeah, no, I have a client that sharply not through thrive and stuff like that, but then she was looking at stuff through Amazon. She said that she couldn't find some of the things she was looking for, so that makes a lot of sense now. Yeah, and it's actually the largest retailer in the country that sells exclusively non-GMO groceries. Yeah, the quality of their stuff is on another level.

Starting point is 00:58:22 I sort of got it and the price is on top of it. Honestly, honestly, before we got sponsored them, I don't know how I did it. I know, I changed all my grocery shopping. Yeah. One more is that all packaging boxes and inserts are made from recycled paper and are recyclable 100% zero waste. In fact, they're the first company in the country

Starting point is 00:58:42 to go zero waste. Oh, really? That's fascinating. You know, forward thinking. You know, who's going to buy them? Amazon. I bet you don't. Yeah, it has to.

Starting point is 00:58:52 You know, I, I speculated when we first started all this that they're going to be Amazon's biggest rival. I think that they're establishing themselves in the space faster and better in that specific space that Amazon's still piecing that together. Like with the buying the whole furniture. Yeah, I hope not. I love competition. No, I think they'll throw,

Starting point is 00:59:10 I think they'll throw, how funny is that? I think they'll thrive. That's right. Like a market. Yeah, no, I think they're gonna thrive. I think they're gonna do well. I think they did such a good job with their model.

Starting point is 00:59:20 And I think they're so far ahead of Amazon in that specific space that they'll become, like it'll be Pepsi and Coke. All right, well, what did you get us for? What did you get us for? Well, I just wanted to say one thing. I got the thinking about how to order from thrive. Of course, you're ordering from your home,

Starting point is 00:59:35 from your computer, you don't have to go anywhere. It gets sent to you in a box, but everything's recycled, so there's no waste at all. It costs a lot less money than retail. And we have a great hookup for you as well. So I guess my question would be why wouldn't you do it? That'd be my number one question. Calm out, Doug.

Starting point is 00:59:54 Doug the closer. Yeah, the closer dude. Why aren't you pitching? Your family's gonna die. But I already... It's hard closing it. Wrong commercial. Yeah, that was for a long time.

Starting point is 01:00:04 That's life insurance. That's life insurance.. Yeah, that was for a long time. That's life insurance. Stay with me. Anyway, we have a lot of requests for snacks around this place. Oh, what is that? Cassies around. We got cashews. We got macadamias.

Starting point is 01:00:22 I want the macadamias. We got more cash you Sorry dude we got so many macadamia nuts You probably go through those at most that's how we nuts Anyway nice this was the nut box this was basically this nut sack Wow sounds delicious Somebody filled that whole box with nut. And one last thing. Oh, you got your dark chocolate.

Starting point is 01:00:49 Yeah, it's right. Mark it now. How's dark chocolate? We know who those are for. Oh, yeah, you know it. I'm gonna ask him. There it is. You know, here's a little fun factoid

Starting point is 01:00:56 for everybody that listens. That's something about Doug. Doug always takes dark chocolate. You, we will, I don't care where we are, where we are traveling. I can guarantee you 80% kick out. Yes, Doug has some dark dark chocolate in his bag. Have you seen him eat it before too, when he does it?

Starting point is 01:01:09 Oh, he's all sneaky. He takes it out. Takes a little bite to the corners. Yeah, yeah, like a rat. We got some seriously dark chocolate here, 85%. Is this the first time you're trying their stuff? Absolutely. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna say.

Starting point is 01:01:22 This one's 95%. I'm very curious. Wow, whoa, that's hard core. Well, we know that you are the dark chocolate connoisseur so you can give us the feedback on that. Yeah, absolutely. Give us a report. Chimera Claw! Today's Claw is being brought to you by Kai Maricopi! It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutropics for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused fuzz without the crash! Click the Kai Maricopi link at MindPumpMedia.com and input the discount code MindPumpaCheckout for 10% off!

Starting point is 01:02:00 It's the motherfucking Claw! The English Landis! Quikwa... Alright, our first question is from Chuckalicious. It's the motherfucking car! The eagle has landed! Quee-qua- Alright, our first question is from Chuckalicious. How do you guys feel? I don't know why that's so funny. How do you guys feel about two-a-day training? How much more does it enhance results and why and how would you implement it?

Starting point is 01:02:21 That's uh, Arnold. Back in the day, man, the double split routinely. I ran it for a long time, and I revisited it when I competed. When did you run it when you were younger? Yeah, when I was reading Arnold and stuff like that, same stuff. That was a big deal. We used to even split up how nasty is this. We just split up quads and hammies in the same day.

Starting point is 01:02:43 Knock, crush your quads in the morning Yeah, go back and destroy your hand walk And here's a thing where I think as I got older I I think there's a place for this I think if applied correctly. There's a great strategy and then I think it can be an incredible tool What I what I know now though about using it and how I used it when I got older was I think the right way and the way I used it when I was younger I think it was the wrong way.

Starting point is 01:03:13 And when I was younger, I was just looking at just the training more and more and more and more and more I trained and I just, just to go harder. Right, to go harder on myself versus really methodically thinking about like where's my like, where's my nutrition, where's my movement, am I feeding the body enough, am I giving it adequate recovery, am I programming correctly, it was just more, get more in, right?

Starting point is 01:03:33 And so I think this is a mistake that some people do is they see somebody, you know, some body builder guy because that's again, when I used it later on, that does these double splits and you see his physique and you're like, that must be why because he comes in the morning and then he comes again in the evening. That's why he looks that way. Well, why I did it when I was competing was because it was an easy way for me to increase

Starting point is 01:03:53 volume. You know, it was a very easy way for me to look at a body part after I got scored from my first show and the judge say, hey Adam, if your back was better, you would have placed better. Okay, cool. So I'm not gonna change much of my routine except for the volume of my back. Like I'm gonna increase the volume.

Starting point is 01:04:12 And an easy way to do that is to come back to the gym later on in a day when maybe you did a different muscle group and then to add that into my routine. It's an easy way for me to methodically add volume by it. And I wouldn't even do every single real benefit to this at all. It's really just building up volume, like other than like, because for an athlete, I mean, we'll do double days, like sometimes like it's practice, but it's really just like, you split it up so you're more working on your skills versus like, you know, you're working like

Starting point is 01:04:43 a regular practice with everybody sort of in the morning. But so it's like, you know, you're working like a regular practice with everybody is sort of in the morning. But so it's like you can accomplish more if like you're super focused on being stage ready or you know, whatever the goal is, but you do have to be very careful of ramping yourself up to that. You bring up a great point. That's actually true too. I mean, as an athlete, when I was playing sports as a kid, like, you know, we would, in

Starting point is 01:05:05 the morning time, it would be conditioning and, you know, ball handling drills and things like that. And then the evening, you were training and lifting. So you could argue that that's a double day in itself too. And so if you're playing a sport and you need to be strong and you need to have good endurance and you have to have good skills, I could see a lot of value in a double day, which, you know, speaking to the athletes, again, as a bodybuilder,

Starting point is 01:05:29 I see a lot of value in doing double days. I see a lot of value for someone who's competing at the professional, competing at the highest level, just like a sport person. If someone put an athlete, I can see value in these double days. For the average person, the average week and wear, or the kid who just wants to put some muscle on or the lady who wants to burn some body fat

Starting point is 01:05:49 off of her, not a good strategy. There's a few things to consider when you're looking at new workout programming. One of them is the effectiveness of the workout, but the other one is also how likely is it that you'll be able to maintain this program? Excellent point. And how convenient is it, how unlikely is it that you'll be able to maintain this excellent program. And how convenient is it, how unlikely is it? You know, all these are all factors you need to consider.

Starting point is 01:06:10 And as personal trainers, we have to balance this all out. So when I would train a client many times, we didn't do the absolute most effective workouts because I knew it was just unrealistic for that particular client. So I had to figure out within their frame of when they can work out, when they can find the time, what's going to be, what they're going to be most consistent with.

Starting point is 01:06:31 Then within that, I would design the most effective routine. So that being said, if we're looking at pure effectiveness, just pure effectiveness, and you have all the time in the world, and it's not a problem, and whatever, splitting up your routine is, I mean, studies show is great, especially for cardio. So they've done studies on this. Well, they'll have people do 60 minutes of cardio in the morning or they'll have someone do 30 minutes of cardio in the morning, 30 minutes at night.

Starting point is 01:06:55 And splitting it up increases fat loss. People tend to feel better, reduces the stress response. Obviously, I think the longer you go, the more you get that stress response. When it comes to resistance training, I also love it. It's just super inconvenient, but I also love it. Heck, trigger sessions are done multiple times a day. If I could do my full body workout and split it up over two workouts, I've never done this, by the way. Oh, I would speculate that would be better. I would speculate it would be better. 100% think it would be better. I think you saying that the mixed criminals. Splitting the same workout,

Starting point is 01:07:26 I think we talked about this not maybe about a six, seven months ago and I kind of played with it for a while. I don't know if I told you guys this or not, but I'd go do a set of links. And then we'd podcast, we'd do some of that and then I come back and do a couple sets of chests and I would throughout the day, I would just keep. Yeah, like if it adds up to be the same

Starting point is 01:07:46 that if I were to dedicate a whole hour and I could spread it out through all the day, it's mentally easier too. So like I just focus on squatting, you know, for whatever, like I was allotted. So whether it's 40 minutes or, you know, whatever the time was and then later on, I'm hitting, you know, overhead press or, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:02 I'm just doing something specific for that time period where I don't feel like I'm all over the place trying to cram it all in. No, I think it would be super effective. That's my personal opinion. Now I've messed around with some of this stuff, but mainly around focus sessions or trigger sessions or like here's what I used to do. And if I were ever to like really focus on getting

Starting point is 01:08:23 the most ripped and most fit that I could possibly get, I'd probably do something similar to this. So this is what I did for when we were doing the marketing for Maps and Obolic and I wanted to get real shred and all that stuff. And it was quite effective. Is I would do a foundational heavy workout on Monday and then I would do trigger sessions on Tuesday. Then I'd do the foundational workout on Wednesday and then I'd do trigger sessions on Thursday and so on, right? But on my foundational workout days, I would do trigger sessions for other body parts

Starting point is 01:08:52 that I really want to work on. And then I would do more of a focus session on Tuesday. So just dramatically increased the volume. I was working out several times a day every single day. I had great results, great recovery. My body responded really well. If I were to do something now, what I would probably do is take my full body workout

Starting point is 01:09:07 and I wouldn't change anything. You just split it half. I would just split it in half. And I would do the heavy hard stuff in the morning. So typical full body workout start out with squats or dead lifts or presses. And then I'd save all the ancillary stuff for later on in the day.

Starting point is 01:09:23 And I think what happens is you come back later on in the day. First off, you're not working out so long where you get those the super high spikes in stress hormones. So it shortens the workout, you have more energy, you come back around the second time throughout, you know, in the day. And you can hit now the smaller body parts with probably better intensity, better focus. It's not a bad idea.

Starting point is 01:09:45 The problem is, I don't know anybody that would do this long term. Yeah, I think that the one thing that we would all probably agree on, the number one reason why I wouldn't teach someone to do this or train someone to do this is for that exact reason. Other than doing it all the way there.

Starting point is 01:10:00 Because I absolutely think it could be as effective or more effective. And I think it's great, I mean, if you have time to come to the gym two times a day, of course, I can build a routine two times a day versus someone one time a day and get more done with the person two time a day as far as building muscle or burning body fat.

Starting point is 01:10:13 One of the reasons why when people go to prison and they come out and they're so jacked and they work out all day. Yeah, nothing else to do. So they would have their time in the, you know, this is back when prisons had weights, I don't know, all of them don't have weights anymore, but I don't know in California, they're bandimal.

Starting point is 01:10:28 But back then, you'd have your time where you could go and lift weights. They would lift weights. But then throughout the day, because you're in prison, you're fucking bored, you're doing pushups and sit-ups and lunges and squats and you're doing all these other exercises throughout the day.

Starting point is 01:10:41 In fact, this was one of the things I thought about when I came up with trigger sessions was also that. Like, whoa, guys in prison, they do. Oh, guys in prison. And it's that frequency of that frequency. He thinks about that a lot. They agree, buddies. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:52 I'll be forced. I had no choice, guys. They, they, they suggested. It's that, it's that frequency of signaling that you're sending to your body to tell it to build muscle. I, I still haven't done this and I still plan on doing this because now I have a garage gym. And here's a deal, like if you work in a gym

Starting point is 01:11:08 or you have a gym in your home and you have all day to dedicate to this kind of stuff, I could see it being more feasible. Obviously if you have a normal life, good luck going to the gym twice a day. But if you have a gym in your garage, your home all day or if you work in a gym like I've done most of my life, here's something I'm gonna try.

Starting point is 01:11:24 I'm gonna take this to the extreme and I'm gonna pick like three exercises, three core movements and I'm gonna do like two or three sets every hour and I'm gonna do that for like six or seven hours, sub-intensity, sub-maximal intensity, so hard but not super hard, just getting in the groove, getting the CNS to really grooving, sending a frequent signal.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Now my hunch is that I'm gonna see some results. I think honestly doing that for one or two days, I should see some strength gains and I should see some changes in my body, but I have yet to test it. So it makes sense seeing, you know, what we've done as far as programming is concerned. It's just taking it to another level.

Starting point is 01:12:02 Yeah, I would follow another natural progression. I feel like we're kind of all over the board on like if we're pro or not on it. Cause we're saying some positive things about it and then we're saying some negative things about it. So which is on how you structure it. Which is, I think that's the answer here and I'm not sure if the person's searching for that.

Starting point is 01:12:17 I just, to me, I would want to teach somebody, like I always teach a client like, okay, what is the bare minimum you can commit to me being in the gym, like the bare minimum. Don't tell me like how motivated, sal sounds or Adam sounds right now, like don't tell me the motivated version of you that wants to change right now.

Starting point is 01:12:34 I'm coming seven days away, no, no, no, no, no. Really evaluate yourself, your patterns, and say, listen, if I had to commit to X amount of days a week in the gym, what is a very realistic number you commit to? And then from there, week in the gym, what is it very realistic number you commit to? And then from there, we build the first step of your program. And then even when you hit your first plateau,

Starting point is 01:12:51 the answer is still is not to go to double days next. I think there's other. Oh my god, that's the last thing. It is. It's way down on the priority list as far as, because I want to teach you, I want to teach you that you can get in shape. You can get an incredible body with three days a week.

Starting point is 01:13:06 You can get it incredible. Eating correctly, moving, focusing on your meat, so taking walks and staying active throughout your day, and fucking working out, three hours out of the week, you can build an incredible physique. I want to teach you how to do that first. If you want more after that, if you look at me and you go, dude Adam, I feel great.

Starting point is 01:13:24 And I never thought I'd ask this, but I think I might want to compete or I want to go to the next level. Plus, plus ask yourself how much more you would get out of more. And what I mean by that is, let's say you already trained. It's diminishing as you would. Yeah, let's say you already trained pretty consistently. And you're doing, let's say you're following maps and a ball, like in your very committed. So you're doing three foundational workouts a week and you're doing three trigger sessions on your off days.

Starting point is 01:13:46 So most days you're working out, either trigger sessions or these heavier workouts. So let's say you're doing that consistently, and then you decide, oh, I'm gonna split my foundational days into two workouts, because I heard on my pump, it might be beneficial. It's not like you're gonna gain like 20%, you're gonna gain maybe a couple percent.

Starting point is 01:14:03 It's not gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna make a blanket statement that I think it's just for professionals. Like people that are just focused on sports or they're trying to get like a very specific goal and compete. I can get just unsustainable. That's when I'm working out your job. I can get, yeah, I'm like,

Starting point is 01:14:18 why do you want to work out that much? I can get on board with that. I mean, I can get on board with that that there's just no real place for it unless you are competing at the very high level. Well, think about the mental, think about this right now. If you're listening, you think,

Starting point is 01:14:30 oh, this sounds like you're obsessed with it then no for it. Think about the mental space, because I don't know about you guys, but actually I do know about you guys just like I am with this. When I work out, there's a mental preparation. Like I know them up, okay,

Starting point is 01:14:42 this is the time I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna do my mobility, my priming. You know, I got my workout clothes on I do my workout There's this post workout ritual. I do where I do some stretches Then if you eat after your workout you may have a meal, you know, take a shower now just double that like you know I mean, so it's not just that this it's not that you're you're splitting your workout and you're taking the same amount of time because it's not If I take and if I take, let's say I take a workout that lasts an hour in the morning, typically my workouts are around an hour,

Starting point is 01:15:10 sometimes lasts, sometimes a little more, but usually around 60 minutes. If I took that 60 minute workout and I divided it by two 30 minute workouts, it's gonna take me longer than a combined total of an hour. Because there's the before and the after and all the other stuff. The reality is it's gonna add more time to my total work out

Starting point is 01:15:26 Think about all the mental preparation for all that. It's a big endeavor The I'd say 99.9% of the people listening right now you would the benefit wouldn't be worth the you know I use it a lot now So if I'm following and right now I'm not following a specific structure of like maps But what I'm doing right now probably best models like the anabolic program. I'm only getting about three lifts in a week. How I would do it a second day is, or two in one day, is if I didn't complete my workout.

Starting point is 01:15:53 Sometimes I do that. Sometimes we're in a hurry here, and we gotta be somewhere, we gotta do something, and I just have enough time to maybe get 15, 20 minutes in, so I just knock out the squats and the overhead pressing, and then it's like, okay, and I do it right now, I'm documenting for people to see, so some people don't know this.

Starting point is 01:16:07 But when I post my story and I have all the exercise I've done, sometimes that's been split, I'm not specifying that for you that, sometimes I did three of those exercises at one time of the day and then I did the other three later on in the day. And I've even carried some of them over into the next day, which would typically be a trigger.

Starting point is 01:16:23 I think that's different. I'm totally on board with that, because I do that too. As far as adding a whole mother workout, doubling up on that day, I think that there's really no need for that. Unless such a use had. Okay, next question is from Josh Bridgman.

Starting point is 01:16:40 I am a natural bodybuilder trying to put on as much muscle as possible. What's the best approach with calories being up towards 5,000 daily? Just keep going up and progressively overloading? So I looked at his Instagram page and he's actually pretty built. He's done a pretty good job. If he's a natural bodybuilder, he's eating 5,000 calories. I can't imagine he's not a pretty good job on his own.

Starting point is 01:17:02 So here's something that I like to communicate to lifters, all lifters, but especially to natural lifters, and natural referring to people who don't take anabolic hormones like testosterone or steroids. They probably still take supplements and all that, but here's what I always like to communicate to people because over the last few decades or couple decades at least a lot of emphasis has been placed on supplements

Starting point is 01:17:29 and more calories to put on our muscle. To the point now where the advice you typically hear from someone when you tell, when you hear a guy like this say, I need to put on more muscle, I need to put on muscle, I'm struggling, the advice typically is eat more, just keep eating more food, like that's the answer. And let me tell you why that's not the answer.

Starting point is 01:17:48 Now, sometimes it's the answer, but here's why it's usually not the answer. It's the workout. The workout is typically the... Neen, new stimulus. You need new stimulus, and over the last couple decades, we haven't been placing a lot of importance on the workouts to the point where a lot of importance on the workouts.

Starting point is 01:18:05 To the point where everybody's workouts started looking the same, it was funny, like I talked to everybody or anybody and everybody's workout was, oh, I do chest on this day, back on this day, shoulders on this day. Oh, what exercises do everybody does bench press and clamp press, everybody does overhead press, everybody does pull ups and rows, and everybody's doing the same thing. Generally the same rep ranges, generally the same type of deal. So it's all about increasing calories

Starting point is 01:18:31 or taking more supplements. The bottom line is this, if your body wants to build muscle, it will and it doesn't require that many more calories to do so. It's just the bottom line. And if you don't believe me, I tell you what, take that same natural bodybuilder, same calorie, same workout, put them on steroids and watch what happens. You put them on steroids, you'll build more muscle automatically.

Starting point is 01:18:52 What happened? He's not eating anymore food, nothing else changed. Well, the difference now is we're sending a hormonal signal that is telling his body to build more muscle. Well, you're natural, you don't have that luxury. So what you need to do is you need to send a better muscle building signal through your workouts. Evaluate your workout, change your programming. Don't change your diet, especially if you're eating 5,000 calories a day already. Don't change your diet. And here's the other thing too. Do you really want to be eating six or

Starting point is 01:19:20 7,000 calories to gain, you know, another five pounds of muscle. That's arduous as fuck and that's not very realistic. Don't change your calories. If you're eating enough protein enough calories already, which I'm pretty sure you are feeding 5,000, look at your workout, change it up. If you're doing a split, go to full body. If you're doing full body, change the phase, change the exercises, change the rep ranges, change the focus of your routine. If you're going to failure or everything, stop going to failure, see what happens there.

Starting point is 01:19:50 Change the movements, add more mobility, add more functional movement. Change the stimulus so that your body now decides building muscle in its best interest. And then what's what happens with the calories that you're already eating? You're gonna surprise yourself. Yeah, I'm pretty shocked. It's crazy. You really do have to put a lot of focus best interest. And then what's what happens with the calories that you're already eating? You're going to surprise yourself.

Starting point is 01:20:05 Yeah, it's crazy. You really do have to put a lot of focus on things like that, being natural. Like you have to stay ahead of, you know, what your, what your body is, is being, what you're basically doing with your body and the environment, you're providing your body to grow. So, I mean, that's what's great about all of our programs is that we literally have made sure that, like, okay, we consider somebody that's natural. So somebody that needs new stimulus, somebody that needs some new type of training,

Starting point is 01:20:39 some new variable that they can introduce. We're always thinking that way ourselves, being trainers and always trying to provide that for our clients, but this is just one of those things. If you want to build muscle and you want to consistently kind of grow, you have to be able to provide a new stimulus, a new environment to thrive in. I'm going through his page right now,

Starting point is 01:21:00 and even though I agree with Justin Sal, 100%, but I actually don't think that this is his, I mean, I'm reading a lot of his posts and he's talking about mezzo cycles and deloting and he speaks on volume. So I think this kid or young guy, I don't know how old he is. Seems to be a pretty smart dude. Looks like he's pretty savvy when it comes to programming.

Starting point is 01:21:23 So as much as I want to sell our programs to him also, I don't know if that's his big struggle. What I would probably say, and just with my experience of what it's like trying to chase 5,000, 6,000 calories a day, I know what a monster that can be, something that I had to do. So you can imagine, because I'm pretty sure I'm bigger than this guy is, he looks like he's a little bit shorter than I am You know to I and at one point I was having to 5500 was to maintain my size and if I wanted to grow I had to push

Starting point is 01:21:59 Beyond that and something that I had to do was actually it's the opposite of what we teach people for health Okay, you're a competitor. You're gonna do things at the extreme levels was having to pull back on My exercise and my movement and my intensity. And it's hard to do that when you're a competitor and you're getting after it and going beastmo, but what ends up happening with guys like us, we have so much muscle on our body now, we're moving all the time, our intensity is high, you're burning 5,000 calories a day. And it's really tough to keep increasing, keeping, because as you increase, you can increase the calorie intake and you actually build a little bit of muscle,

Starting point is 01:22:34 the metabolism kicks up and now needs that many calories just to sustain that. So at one point, you get to this, especially a natural competitor, you get to a point where the body says, this is about where I want you. Yeah. You know, this is about where you naturally want to be and doesn't mean that you can't keep progressing over time, but a good person who I think to follow on Instagram like this

Starting point is 01:22:53 is a good friend of ours, Arya, Sapphi. Like you look at how long it's taken that guy. He's been, I think, what is he 20 years or more of of training his body? And he looks, it looks amazing amazing but if you actually looked at his physique year over year it's such the subtle. Especially at that level and the guy who this guy looks badass. Well he's a competitor. Yeah, he's a legit bodybuilder. Yeah, no he he looks awesome. I mean so what you're talking about is programming it's it is it's cutting sure cutting back is part of that and that's my point is look look at your routine. And if you're very, very experienced

Starting point is 01:23:26 and you know what you're doing, it could be like what Adam's saying, where maybe you're working out too much. It could be the exercise selection, it could be tempo, it could be reps. You would be shocked. I tell you what, look, I've been working out forever. I think I've probably hit right around where I'm gonna be.

Starting point is 01:23:42 I don't think I can, I don't think in gaining 15 pounds of lean body mass naturally is in my cards. But let me tell you what I've been doing. Recently, I've been doing an exercise that I never did consistently. Snatch grip, high pulls. I've been doing snatch grip high pulls

Starting point is 01:23:57 for the last three weeks now. Never done that exercise on a consistent basis. I've also dramatically reduced the amount of bicep curls I do because I'm focusing more on these big movements, so I'm just not doing a lot of curls. Yes, what fucking grew, my biceps? Why?

Starting point is 01:24:11 It's a different stimulus, it's a different exercise, a wide grip, high pull like that, does use biceps to certainly say. Well, how many bodybuilders do powerless? That's it. That's what I'm saying. I've taken, you know how many times I've taken. I was one of them.

Starting point is 01:24:23 You have said that. That's a forward thinking. Well, that was, you know how many times I've taken. I was one of them. You have said that. That's a forward thinking. Well, that was one of the biggest game changes for me too. For before I got into competing, I was kind of following this hypertrophy based type of training model for a very long time with the same kind of basic movements and one of the best things that broke my plateau was getting out of my comfort zone. Like that, maybe that's the advice.

Starting point is 01:24:41 Maybe that's a great point, Justin, what this guy is like, you know, Maybe you're following a lot of the typical bodybuilder type of exercises and routines and when it was the last time You trained a pure strength based program like train like a powerlifter or Olympic lifter for a while like let's see How your body responds to that or do these move attention or do movements like what Sal's talking about that people attach to a certain You know like what Sal is talking about that people attach to a certain, you know, person like oh, high-poles, Y-GRA or snatch grip, Y-hypoles, like, where is that belong in your routine? You should know who does that, only Olympic lifters do that as an exhalated. We're going to isolate it. Right, well, that's an exhalary movement for someone for an Olympic lifter. Well, yeah, but it's also a great movement that maybe Sal has never done consistently,

Starting point is 01:25:20 that if also he applies that, his body's going to respond and he's going to build muscle in areas that maybe he didn't have as developed a muscle. So I think maybe that could be possibly it too. Yeah, because I mean, if he's eating 5,000 calories, and I believe him because he's a competitor. Yeah. You know, it's like- It's not much room to go up.

Starting point is 01:25:36 No, I mean, yeah, you can, you can add food. You can add food. But if the, here's a deal, if you have, if you're trying to build a house, and you need bricks to build that house, and so we'll think of calories as these house and you need bricks to build that house, and so we'll think of calories as these bricks, just throwing more bricks at the house,

Starting point is 01:25:49 it doesn't mean the house is gonna get built without more workers, without more people actually building the house. If you're not sending a signal to your body that says build muscle, throwing more calories at it, probably not gonna do anything, except maybe add body fat, you might get a little bit of a boost in muscle building,

Starting point is 01:26:06 but it's very short-lived, and now you're stuck at 5,500 calories or something like that. So change the stimulus and watch what happens, and there's a lot of exercises and movements that you probably still haven't done consistently. Here's a great one for delts. Do some heavy ass overhead carries. Sound silly, that made my shoulders grow

Starting point is 01:26:24 when I incorporated that. Try, you know, if you don't do the power lifts to your dead lifts this way, I've had so many of these natural bodybuilder guys. How many bodybuilders do I love snatches? Do you just snatches and snatch to an overhead prize, bro? Like people that bodybuilder guys would look at me so weird for doing a movement like that,

Starting point is 01:26:41 but blue my shoulders up, dude. Blue my shoulders up. So fast twitch stimuluses. I do think that, I mean, it up, dude. Blue my shoulders up. So fast twitch stimulus. I do think that, I mean, it's hard to speculate on somebody that we don't. And that's all we're doing right now, because we don't know all the details of what he's doing. Right.

Starting point is 01:26:52 But I can say, I can say relatively confidently that a lot of times, I can take someone in this situation, look at their workout and make some general changes. Sometimes it's easy, by the way. Sometimes it's like, oh, you've been training in the eight to 12 rep range for two years. All right, training the two to four rep range for the next three weeks.

Starting point is 01:27:13 And then, see, in the next. Dude, I tell you what, I'm gonna do a shameless plug for us right here. This is, you're a perfect person. You're obviously not in our forum. Because if you were in your forum, like this question wouldn't even landed on here because we've got enough competitors, Arias on there, you know we have enough competitors

Starting point is 01:27:27 inside our private forum that if you pose this question in there you would get such a great intelligent conversation between all of our forum members that are all competitors themselves or have understand the science like we do and so man you want a great discussion around this and ideas the forum is a very valuable place for these type of topics. Next question is from JM55987. What are the pros and cons of weekly versus monthly fasting? Also does sleeping count towards time fasted? The second part, yes, that's an easy one.

Starting point is 01:28:01 Sleeping does count. That's why when you eat breakfast in the morning, it's a break fast. That's why it's an in-breakfast. I like this question. So, but the first part is a good one. So, I'm going to speak on just my own personal anecdote. I started using fasting as part of my dietary protocol for health. I want to say now it's been at least five years where I've kind of messed with it. It started by, you know, I read the book, The Warrior Diet, and I would do these 24-hour fast where I would only eat at like 7 pm at night, so I'd go all day without food, eat at 7 pm. And I did that for a while.

Starting point is 01:28:35 Like that's just how I ate for a very, very long time. And then I experimented, and then I started experimenting with like a 48 hour fast, and then recently a 72 hour fast Which now the way I do fasting now is I eat Probably two or three meals a day on normal days and then once a month I do a 72 hour like it's like a 60 to 72 hour fast Right around the beginning of the month now comparing that to doing the fasting every day I personally find it superior. I do.

Starting point is 01:29:07 Oh, I think I have an argument to why that it is, that a lot of these intermittent fasting people that sell intermittent fasting and push it hard, I do not think that it's a, if you're trying to get the benefits from it, like all the health benefits, the fat loss benefits, the growth hormone, the neurogenesis, all these things. A lot of these benefits are coming from it being like a new stress on the body.

Starting point is 01:29:30 It's not used to not eating for 20 hours. Whoa, this is weird. This is different. So our body tries to adapt and part of that adaptation process are a lot of positive things. If I throw that at the body every single day, what makes me think that the body won't normalize itself and start to regulate and doesn me think that the body won't normalize itself and start to regulate, and does it mean that you still won't see positive benefits

Starting point is 01:29:48 or what I would think, or I would speculate that it would start to diminish. And by doing more like a prolonged fast, like you do once, once a month, and it's a bigger stress because you're going 72 hours, I would argue that that is a much better strategy than an intermittent faster, who intermittent fasts every single day.

Starting point is 01:30:06 So, for those reasons. No, I used to think the same thing, and then I've heard Dr. Valtteri Longo talk about fasting, and every time he's been on a podcast or talked to anybody, they'll bring that up and say, well, fasting is benefiting the body because it's a stress on the body and it causes the adaptations.

Starting point is 01:30:22 And he actually gets upset and he's like, no, it's not a stress on the body. You know, I didn't want to say, it's upset and he's like, no, it's not a stress on the body. You know, I didn't want to say, it's not a stress. I understand that it's not a stress. Well, so the way he explained it, it's a response, us not eating the body responds to that. He calls it a separate, like another operating system. Now, here's my belief on the frequent fasting

Starting point is 01:30:41 versus the less frequent fasting. There are specific benefits that really amplify only during prolonged fast and don't really happen in a 15 to 20 hour fast. You can only get those benefits with like a 48 or 72 hour fast and some of the benefits are on these really long, like seven day fasts that I'm not recommending, but in certain cases may maybe beneficial. So I was missing those benefits because I was only doing 16 to 24 hours every day

Starting point is 01:31:12 and not getting the benefits of the problem one. Here's the other thing too. There is a little bit of an anabolic benefit from eating more frequently than once a day. So maybe two or three times a day. So there is a little bit of truth to the whole eat more meals throughout the day, but it's like, you know, maybe every six hours, it's not like every other hour type of thing. Now personally, I've noticed this where I do

Starting point is 01:31:33 the 72 hour fast. My body goes catabolic. I'm definitely flat afterwards. I don't have the greatest workout when I come right out of it, but about four or five days into refeeding, I have like the best workouts of my life. So it's like I'm going shifting from catabolic to anabolic and towards the end of the month, when I haven't fasted for an entire month, I can, I'm starting to tell that I need it more often. Now, if we were to examine how fasting

Starting point is 01:31:58 has been used historically, historically speaking, fasting has been done more along the lines of what I'm doing now. So if you look at religious religions and cultures, they'll typically apply along fast at a structured time, like, okay, three days of fasting, and then back to your regular or whatever, and do that on a regular basis type of deal. So the daily, daily fast on a consistent everyday basis,

Starting point is 01:32:26 there's, I guess there's benefits to that as well, but I value doing it. I'm just still better doing it. You're using it more as like a tune up. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a lot of how I kind of approach it, where I've actually noticed I got so into fasting

Starting point is 01:32:40 when I first kind of came across it that it was such a new thing to me, it started to creep in and become more of a lifestyle thing. So it was like, oh, well, I'm just, you know, I'm just gonna fast and then I'll eat at night and that's it. And then that became almost like monthly, like it was like four, five, six months, go by,

Starting point is 01:32:58 I'm still in the same exact schedule and not realizing that man, I'm like, anecdotally fully adapted to this. My opinion is that if it's not hard for you at all and it's really easy, you're probably getting less benefits. I would agree with that. So I've got these people that I talk to all the time, they're like, oh yeah, I get in a fast every day.

Starting point is 01:33:19 It's like, well, dude, it's not hard to go 17 hours without fully, it really is not. No, once you break that point where it's like, you know, it's not like, you get past all the social stuff with it, you get past like all the hunger pains, whatever it is that's like the signals you kind of work your way through. Now for me, like, reintroducing like

Starting point is 01:33:35 breakfast has been a challenge, and it's something that I adamantly do purposely because I'm like, I want to run off that other operating system, so I want to run off that other operating system. So I want to go back to that and go between both of them. I feel like the people that gravitate towards these daily or weekly fast, it's because it's already natural for them. They're already a breakfast skipper.

Starting point is 01:33:56 They're already saying, oh, I don't really eat till noon anyways. And I heard all this great research about fasting. So I'll just go till 2 now. And now I'm intermittent fasting. You're not challenging yourself. You're not getting shit from that. It's so little what you're getting from that. Like if you really, that person,

Starting point is 01:34:08 I feel like it needs to challenge himself and go to like a 24 or a longer fast. Or just start eating breakfast even. Or right, yeah exactly. You know how, actually the funny thing is the vast majority of clients that I used to get, especially in the early days of personal training, the vast majority of them only ate one or two times a day.

Starting point is 01:34:25 Usually, remember that? Especially back in the day when before it was sold to all. That's still the national average, it's two times a day. Yeah, so it's not way crazy that you skip breakfast type of deal and it's just awesome thing. I think the prolonged fast probably have more of a benefit. And the cool thing is you don't have to do them very frequently.

Starting point is 01:34:42 The bad thing is that they're hard, but even like I said, from an evolutionary standpoint, I'm pretty sure, and I'd bet money on this, of course, there's no way of telling, we'd have to have a time machine, but I'm pretty sure, you know, prehistoric humans or, you know, ancient humans didn't have a structured fast at particular times every single day.

Starting point is 01:35:00 I think the probably the way it worked out was, it's just scarcity. When they had food, they ate it, and they ate it when they wanted to and then there were times And then have food and then they didn't call it fasting they just we don't have food today now we have buffets and brunch Yeah, it's exactly my my experience is the clients that I have trained have had the most success doing the opposite of what they do normally So if you're somebody who only eats once or twice a day and you're already a meal skipper Guess what those people when I pushed them to five or six meals a day saw huge benefits because they're so used,

Starting point is 01:35:29 that's their norm for them. So me by making them separate their meals out and pay attention and weigh and measure all stuff like that, it was a game changer for those people. The people that like my bodybuilder friends, competitors, my peers and that, that already do that, six meals a day, guess who benefited the most from intermittent fasting.

Starting point is 01:35:44 Yeah, right. They were so scheduled in regimen about always eating every two hours. When I shook that up and said, guess what, you're not gonna eat anything today. Their body fucking responded and they felt it and they saw it. And so I think if you're, people naturally gonna gravitate to what's the easiest path,

Starting point is 01:35:59 well, it's probably not the most beneficial path for you. So if you're already somebody who's a skipper and you don't eat very much, well, then intermittent fasting weekly or daily for you, you're probably not getting most beneficial path for you. So if you're already somebody who's a skipper and you don't eat very much, well then intermittent fasting weekly or daily for you, you're probably not getting a lot of benefits. It's taken to the extreme, like you can tell an aneroxic to fast and get lots of benefits.

Starting point is 01:36:13 That's what they do all the time. Right, right. Take it to that, you know, for me personally, the way I'm doing the fasting now is the single most effective thing I've ever done. And when I say single most, I don't mean it's the most effective thing. I think, I mean, it's the one, it's one thing that I did.

Starting point is 01:36:29 I just changed one thing. So it's like I drastically changed everything. All I do now is I fast for 72 hours once a month. And it's by far of all the individual things I've ever changed in my lifestyle, by far it's produced the biggest benefit. Like, I can't speak enough about how dramatic the benefits been to my inflammation, my digestion, the way I eat. I was pretty good at intuitive eating before, but that's taken it to a completely different level because you go three days without food, you break a lot of those chains.

Starting point is 01:37:02 You start to, you know, you reset your palate every month. And every single month, it's like I'm adding upon the bigger. More receptive to what your body actually is, you know, a need of. It's great. And I don't know if I'm going to do it every single month forever. I'm just doing it now and I'm feeling great from it. What I'm probably going to do is I'm going to, what I think I'm going to do, and I've already thought about this, I'm going to do this for a few more months, and then I'm

Starting point is 01:37:23 going to not do a 72 hour fast every month, but I'm going to skip, and I've already thought about this, I'm going to do this for a few more months, and then I'm going to not do a 72 hour fast every month, but I'm going to skip a month or skip every two months, and then I'm going to do like a five day fast and see how that feels, because I have yet to do one of these really long fasts where you're going for almost a week, and then I'll report back and let everybody know what it's like.

Starting point is 01:37:36 Next question is from Autumn Wind 69. Doctors want to put me on antidepressants, but I refuse. They say my serotonin levels are low without actually running any kind of tests. What are some natural ways to boost my levels assuming they are low? Wow, that's that quick to go straight to that. I'm just without even taking a test. I don't win six times. There are no tests.

Starting point is 01:37:57 We can talk about it. It sounds like it's like an awesome douche. Yeah. I'm going to say, that's our boy, dude. So, first off, we're not doctors. We don't deal, we're not psychiatrists or psychologists. So, our opinion is based on our own personal experience as fitness professionals.

Starting point is 01:38:17 There are no tests for serotonin levels that I know of. So, they can't really test you to see, I don't think they know what a normal amount of serotonin is in the body. And even if they did, I couldn't imagine, I mean, with the individual variances and how many receptors you have and all that stuff, there's so many things that can influence how serotonin actually affects you. But here's a thing. Most sun water rest. Yeah. Most that's great. Most serotonin is produced in the gut by far. The vast majority of the ser great. Most serotonin is produced in the gut. By far, the vast majority of the serotonin, serotonin that's circulating in your body,

Starting point is 01:38:50 is produced in your gut. So, number one, I would say, look at your gut health. If you have, if you can really remedy your gut health, make sure you have excellent gut health. Practice, you know, eating the right foods, practice some fasting may actually be helpful, may actually be helpful, avoiding foods you're intolerant to, allowing your gut to, your gut microbiome to become more diverse and more healthy. So it produces more serotonin.

Starting point is 01:39:18 That should make a difference and studies are starting to show that that does in fact make a big difference. Well, talk a little bit about how does someone start about looking at that. So advice I give when someone's like, well, how do I improve my gut health, or how do I know what's good or bad, or what I should say?

Starting point is 01:39:35 Look at the things that you do most. Look at the things that you drink or you eat, the most in your diet, and evaluate that, and see what it looks like. And you know, I know Aaron, and know Aaron knows like what is good for him and what's not good for his body and assess what you may be potentially abusing as far as intake here. So I would look there and then I would go sun, water, sleep, fasting.

Starting point is 01:39:59 So those, those four things I think and I would, I would try and improve upon all four of them just a little bit. Like if you're somebody who, and these are all close to me right now, being somebody who is just coming out of kind of feeling depressed because of my hormonal levels and my injury and all this stuff like that, this has been, these have been the four that I've been a major focus on me. And I just try and practice little habits. For example, when I get home, I get home sometimes in the afternoon,

Starting point is 01:40:27 like three or four o'clock in the afternoon, and I'm not done working, I can get on the computer, and I'm dealing with a peril stuff, and whatever I have shick to do always. But I've now trained myself to, especially right now, the time of the year, is to walk into my backyard and sit down and either work on my computer,

Starting point is 01:40:41 Katrina and I were doing this yesterday together, because she came home and worked early with me. And I said, let's do, I do this in the backyard. So the sun's just kind of hitting on me. And I'm just getting that exposure that I've now neglected as an adult. I don't get it, like I used to get it as a kid. And I just feel so much better after I've sat out

Starting point is 01:41:00 in that sun for a half hour or hour, whatever. Sun raises serotonin. Oh man, it does, it improves my mood. I can feel it instantly. And then, you know, make sure you're getting sleep. If your sleep is deprived and you're fucking, and you know, there's tools like we talk about brain FM on here. If you have a hard time calming down and doing that,

Starting point is 01:41:18 like that's an option for you to go that route. I mean, find ways to improve upon those four things first before you start taking some sort of a pill. You know, I mentioned fasting. Well, I knew there was some studies on fasting and depression. I just wanted to make sure that there were those studies. And sure enough, there was a study done in 2009 on fasting for depression. And they found that fasting alleviated depression symptoms and improved anxiety scores in 80% of people in just a few days. And that has to do with gut health.

Starting point is 01:41:55 So I would say look into fasting after you come out of the fast, eliminate highly processed foods, eliminate foods you think you're intolerant to, which may include things like gluten, dairy, maybe some nuts, soy, so try to eliminate those foods. So you're only eating foods you're not intolerant to, you're not eating highly processed foods, get sunlight, lift weights, weight training, you know, I would say weight training is probably better than other forms of exercise on a long-term

Starting point is 01:42:27 basis for mental state because resistance training sends a signal to build muscle, which means you need to be in this anabolic state, which typically means your body will raise anabolic hormone levels, which also tend to be the feel good, hormones of the body. So more testosterone, for example, and better growth hormone levels tend to make people feel better mentally as well. Don't eat and go squat in the sun. Yeah, squat in the sun. Right. No, really.

Starting point is 01:42:57 Don't go, do a fasted workout, squat in the sun, tell me how you feel afterwards. I'll be right past out actually. You know what? Be careful. You know, Doug just corrected us on there. There is a test for testing. Yeah, but I don't think it's very accurate. No, here's the problem.

Starting point is 01:43:10 If they can test your serotonin levels in your body, I don't think we know what a normal way to do. I was just saying everyone's so terrible. And maybe they, I think they may be doing it to look for tumors and stuff. I think that's how that happens. We have to know like the healthy range. It's got to be something similar like,

Starting point is 01:43:24 because like testosterone. Like it's, you know, we're all hormonal. You're different. There's a range, right? There's got to be a range of serotonin that's... Well, then there's receptors in the brain that react to serotonin. Like here's, so here's how antidepressants work. They don't raise your serotonin levels.

Starting point is 01:43:41 They reduce the amount of serotonin that's being re-uptake by the brain, so it increases circulating serotonin levels because it's reducing how much is getting reabsorbed. So it's not that it's raised how much serotonin you're producing, it's just making more of it available within the brain. But again, man, changing your diet, and thinking about that. What's the reason that you lean away from that and not going that direction though? Is it the test thing?

Starting point is 01:44:10 No, no, no, no, no, as far as using the antidepressants. Oh, well, when you're... Explain why that wouldn't be good. Well, again, I'm not a doctor, but from my experience with clients and stuff and from talking to people who've taken them, they have their own side effects. Weight gain, they can cause, you know, sure, you're not going to be as depressed, but it also may blunt the how happy you get.

Starting point is 01:44:33 So you kind of get this new middle with less lows, but also less highs. People, you know, I know people who see like, say they felt kind of like zombified on them. I know other people who said they've been, you know, miracles for them and they've done a lot of things. Here's my view. My view is this and I'm pretty consistent with this. If you have a health issue or something and you can remedy it through lifestyle changes, natural lifestyle changes,

Starting point is 01:44:58 I feel like that's superior to trying to remedy that. I believe you owe it to your... I believe we all owe it to ourselves to apply that first. Because I'm not anti-all Western medicine and I don't think there's place for it. And I too have had clients that had great success with it. But personally, myself, if I was training a client, I'm gonna go after all the things that we need.

Starting point is 01:45:20 I'm gonna try and help teach my client to implement some of these little strategies to improve their sleep, improve their gut, improve their exercise. All these areas that I know can improve this by itself. And we're going to do that for, and then if I still feel like we're just not getting anywhere, then maybe that's where I would go that route. But I most certainly would at least check off all those boxes. Yeah, I agree. But don't feel bad if you don't too. It requires a lot of work.

Starting point is 01:45:50 For somebody to change their diet, change their workout, get more sleep. That's a big ass overhaul. Sometimes you're in a position where maybe you can't do that. Maybe you've got kids, maybe you're single parent. Maybe you're down and you're like, you can't even find the energy to change your lifestyle. I mean, whatever the case is, there's no judgment here,

Starting point is 01:46:11 and there's a lot of different ways to do this, but you know, the question was that this person didn't wanna take, you know, these medications and wanted to try and do it naturally. And again, you know, gut health, try fasting, sunlight, sleep, and resistance training. Don't overdo anything.

Starting point is 01:46:29 Take it from there and give yourself some time. I don't think they work right away, although the fasting showed that people felt pretty immediate symptoms. But give it some time, give it a few weeks and see if you start to feel better. But also, if you're seeing a doctor over your depression, or at least if you've seen them because it's enough of a problem where you've brought it up

Starting point is 01:46:48 to your doctor, consult with them and let them know what you're doing. Like let them know, say to them, hey look, I'm going to try changing my diet, exercising, I'm going to try and see if I can feel better without having to take any medications. Like get there because they know you better than we do. You've obviously talked to them. They might have better advice and you may want somebody kind of monitoring the situation because I've known a couple of people

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