Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 744: Dr. Molly Maloof on the Health Impact of Makeup & Skin Care Products, the Best Diet to Rebalance Hormones & Promote Fat Loss, Strategies for Middle Aged Female Athletes & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:43 We're about at a roll. Dr. Molly talks about getting off at a roll. That's a fun Netflix. We all need to watch. We're about Adderall. Dr. Molly talks about getting off Adderall. That's a fun one. We talk about insulin resistance, fasting and bodybuilding. Adam adds some insight there. Glucose monitors and how they reveal true hunger. That was a great tip that you gave us there, Dr. Molly.

Starting point is 00:00:59 Genetic variances and diet. And we talked about cholesterol and hormones. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, do we trust normative data on routine blood tests? I guess the question basically is, do we think the ranges that we're given by labs should be trusted? Dr. Mollie told us that those organizations are huge bureaucracies and they're not very consistent mind-blown.

Starting point is 00:01:24 Damn the man. those organizations are huge bureaucracies and they're not very consistent, mind blown. Damn the man. The next question, what kind of diet will we recommend for a woman who is suffering from polycystic ovarian syndrome in order to rebalance her hormones and promote fat loss, et cetera, great conversation in that topic. The next question was, what about makeup and skincare and its relation to health?

Starting point is 00:01:44 Dr. Molly talks about, in Dr. Andrew Sop, disruptors, excuse me, that are quite common in these types of products and what they can do to your body. So I'm finding those Kardashians. I know what mask care adjustments using now. Yeah. And the final question, it's a nice blue.

Starting point is 00:01:59 What strategies do we have for a middle aged female athlete on how to manage and balance for hormones or adrenal function thyroid, etc. With her high levels of physical activity. We actually had a slight I don't say I wouldn't say disagreement, but it was a great discussion on that part of the episode. Get on the juice Also this month, we are giving away the no BS 6 pack formula for Free what's out how much Adam free free 99 We are giving away the No BS 6 pack formula for free. What's up? How much Adam? Free.

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Starting point is 00:03:10 And if you're a personal trainer interested in training their clients better, or if you're interested in somebody who wants correctional exercise, that's maps prime and prime pro. So find all those programs including the bundles with the free no BS six pack formula at mindpumpmedia.com I'm excited to have you on as a guest of a Qua episode a Q&A We do not do this with with our guests. Yeah, we have we ever done a quaw with the guests We've done it with one once one other time. We did it with Mike Mike Matthews That's who's probably the only other guy that we would trust to do that with. That's right. We could pull it off.

Starting point is 00:03:46 A lot of trust we have in here. Cool. We'll see. We'll see how this goes. Yeah, I got faith in you. So anyway, what's how you've been doing? We haven't seen you for like a couple months. I got a text from you the other day about. Wait, were we recording earlier?

Starting point is 00:03:57 We are now. Well, don't worry. The first part of all of that will put on the floor. Nobody will be here. That'll do his magic. I really don't want my friends' name on the podcast. Nobody will hear what you said. We won't incriminate you.

Starting point is 00:04:08 Okay, okay, okay. We just started the podcast. Cause people know him. Yeah, that's an animal. That's for the pay foresight. Okay, okay. We'll listen to all that behind the scenes. No, how you been, what you been up to?

Starting point is 00:04:21 You were telling me you got your resting metabolic rate tested all of that? Oh God, all right, so. How did you get that tested? What did telling me you got your resting metabolic rate tested all of that? All right, so. How did you get that tested? What did they do? There's a company called DexAfit and I had done my VO2 max at a fitness conference last year and I had a really good VO2 max

Starting point is 00:04:33 because I had two people cheering me on. And then this time the guys like, yeah, I'm just gonna tell you what to do and then you're gonna just run as hard as you can and I'm like, wait, you're not gonna like cheer me on, you're not gonna like push me. And he goes, no, I'm like, well, can you please do that? Cause I'm not gonna run as hard unless you can. And I'm like, wait, you're not going to like cheer me on, you're not going to like push me. And he goes, no, I'm like, well, can you please do that? Because I'm not going to run as hard unless you have, unless you tell me that I can do more.

Starting point is 00:04:51 And frankly, he didn't push me hard enough. And I didn't do as good. And so I was really sad about that. Like, I was in the excellent range, but I wasn't like on the border about standing like I was last year. And I think I could have gone harder. And then my last time I tried to do my RMR, they said it didn't work. So I don't know if it was because it was too low, but this time it was really quite low. And I've always wondered about that. And I guess like-

Starting point is 00:05:18 So you feel like you have a slow metabolism? Yeah, yeah. I think that's okay. Like we're gonna have a real talk now, everyone. About two years ago, I went off of a very common stimulant medication for ADHD called Adderall. And you know what, like I'm actually okay talking about this now because of that documentary

Starting point is 00:05:35 that's out called Take Your Pills. I haven't seen it yet. I've heard about that. And you guys have to watch this because like, the reality is that a lot of doctors and a lot of medical students take drugs and they take them because they die of noose each other. I mean college students.

Starting point is 00:05:48 I didn't actually have a prescription in college, but occasionally, you know, you would, my roommate had them. So, and they talk about all about this in this documentary. But the point is that like a lot of people from the beginning of the use of stimulants and, and, uh, and fedamines as medicine in America. People took them, actually, the story behind Adderall is really interesting because the doctor who developed the drug actually named it after his wife because he thought that it was a really nice experience, gave him a sensation of higher metabolism, higher well-being,

Starting point is 00:06:21 higher athletic performance, and so he named it after his wife. Weren't endphetamines originally prescribed? I think if I'm not mistaken, I've seen old ads from the 1960s or something like that, or maybe I'm wrong, but where they would actually advertise methamphetamines to housewives. Yeah, that's the point. So I do more housework. She can do more housework. She can play better tennis, you know, like she'll be happier, she'll lose weight.

Starting point is 00:06:49 Are you bored at home by yourself? Take, take a meth, it'll help you out. Well, so now, you know, so it took me about a year to taper and then, and then people always ask me this, like how long is it gonna take me to get off this? And I'm like, honestly, it might take you a year because if you try to go cold turkey off of Adderall, you're going to be going through serious dopamine withdrawal. And that's like really not a fun experience.

Starting point is 00:07:10 What's dopamine withdrawal like? We'll talk to anybody who's used a lot of cocaine. Ask them how it feels. You know, like it's this sensation that something's missing in your life. The sensation that like, you don't have motivation to do the things that you want to do. For me, I felt very exposed and vulnerable. When you take stimulants, you want to do. For me, I felt very exposed and vulnerable. When you take stimulants, you feel very unstoppable. And the funny thing is that a lot of the studies are showing that it doesn't necessarily

Starting point is 00:07:35 improve performance in school. It just gives you the impression that you're smarter, so that you actually try harder. So I mean, some people it does help, but. Well, see that again. That's very interesting. That's fascinating. That's like marijuana when I think I'm creative.

Starting point is 00:07:48 Yeah. And then you look at it like you're looking at it. Although I do believe that marijuana makes people more creative because I think it, because the cannabinoid systems, the cannabinoid system is kind of like the brain circuit breaker. So if you're adjusting activity on a global scale in your brain, you might actually find more creative connections. That's my own personal experience. Well they actually did test it with...

Starting point is 00:08:05 Oh, I'm gonna go with that. They did test cannabis, and there's a particular test where I can't remember what it's called. There's a name for it where if they give you a word, you have to name a bunch of words that are associated with it, and it's supposed to be a classic test of creativity, and cannabis improves that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:23 But back to Adderall, they've done cognitive, like, okay, does this actually improve cognition and studies say, don't, it doesn't. But it gives you the impression that you love your job. And if you hate your job, and you hate what you're studying in school, and a drug gives you the sensation that you actually enjoy it,

Starting point is 00:08:42 and you have a sense of urgency, and agency to do the work, then you're gonna do it, and then you're gonna fall in love with your job. So, like, to me, I think actually it is a synthetic stressor that gets your body to move towards something that you typically wouldn't wanna do. So, when did you go off that completely? It took you a year, you said it there.

Starting point is 00:09:02 So, I went off completely about two years ago at a meditation retreat. And I definitely wouldn't recommend doing like the full end cult turkey with coffee at the same time, but they didn't have coffee at the retreat. Oh, sorry, the talk at all. No, there was definitely talking, but I cried a lot.

Starting point is 00:09:18 That's so. Yeah. I came back and I was like, okay, this is me, my new life now. And I was terrified that I wouldn't make as much money. I was afraid that I wouldn't have as many jobs, and I was afraid that I wouldn't do well and everything and the total opposite happened.

Starting point is 00:09:32 I actually made more money that year. I also, my relationships improved. I felt like I had more empathy, but I definitely put on some weight, like I gained about eight pounds, and I think that was actually partially responsible for the inflomer resistance that I developed because now get this.

Starting point is 00:09:48 Now this is something I did a bunch of research in. I literally had to like read all the papers on this to figure it out. But you know, we give anti-psychotic drugs to people who have too much dopamine and it lowers their dopamine. And what happens to these people, they get really fat, right? So what happens if you're taking a drug that gives you a lot of dopamine and they go off of it?

Starting point is 00:10:07 It's almost like you're getting the anti-psychotic experience now, right? Interesting. So I think it played a role in insulin resistance that I developed. And I've read through forums on all sorts of websites that a lot of people have to turn to ketogenic diets to actually get their body back on track and through exercise because your metabolism is shot. Also because, if I didn't mean directly, it affects the hypothalamus. So it exercise because your metabolism is shot. Also because if I mean directly affects the hypothalamus, so it directly affects your metabolism.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah, that's the part of the brain that controls your weight. The ventramedial part of your hypothalamus. Yeah, I was about to say that. Just kidding. So, but the other thing too is it's also to add on top of that, it's also an appetite suppressant. So you might find yourself wanting to eat more. And then on top of that, it's also an appetite suppressant. So you might find yourself wanting to eat more. And then on top of it, if you have low dopamine, you might feel flat or down. And then you use food like coffee. I used to get really, really upset with coffee after this

Starting point is 00:10:52 because I was just like, I needed something. Right, so that's, so you did that two years ago. So now you feel like your metabolism slow as a result of the whole process. I do think it's slow. I mean, I feel like I have a sluggish thyroid too, which I've known for a while, but maybe that was related to being on speed

Starting point is 00:11:07 for so many years. I mean, I was on it for, since medical school, when a doctor diagnosed me on the rotation I was on with her. She was like, you know you have ADD, right? And I was like, well, yeah, duh. I mean, I was like, but I mean, what do you think I should do for it?

Starting point is 00:11:22 Go take stimulus and she's like, well, I take them and I think they really help. And I was like, okay, you think I should do for it? Go take stimulants and she's like, well, I take them and I think they really help. And I was like, okay, well, I'll try. And secretly I was like, yes. Of course. You know what, so I went as an adult, I went to a doctor and she had this poster on the wall and it was like, do you feel this,

Starting point is 00:11:41 this that you may have adult ADD? And I'm reading it and I'm like, well, okay, yes, on all those things. I know I probably have ADD, which by the way, people with ADD also have the ability to hyper focus. So a lot of people don't know that. Yeah, no, I can totally hyper focus, but I can't be around a bunch of people while I do it.

Starting point is 00:12:00 Right, right. So I asked her, she had me take this quiz, and then she wrote me a prescription for ADD medication. I didn't get the cool stuff though. They prescribed stratera, I think it was called, which made me feel weird and loopy. So I never took it again. And I'm happy then to give me Adderock. I tried Ritalin and made me get me headaches. And frankly, a lot of the reason why I was happy to go off of it is because I just felt like, okay, here I am trying to be a person promoting optimizing health. How hypocritical am I that I'm on speed?

Starting point is 00:12:33 Let's get real. This is bullshit. And so I had to come to juice this moment in my life where I was like, I got to get off of this. And you know, like, the whole metabolic effects of not being on speed do suck. I do feel like I have to work harder, and I feel like I need to work out more to have the same experience. Even just to maintain where I'm at right now, which is fine,

Starting point is 00:12:55 I do feel like I need to work out more than most people do. Well, we've talked quite a bit off-air, and the goal is going to be, and we're going to help you. Oh, yeah. I'm so excited about this. I'm going to, after we're done with the podcast, I'm going to take you through an assessment, so I going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, after we're done with the podcast, I'm going to take you through an assessment so I can give you better recommendations in terms of exercises and stuff, but in our experience, I mean, you want to speed

Starting point is 00:13:12 up the metabolism, which, in the context of modern lifestyle, is what, I think most people will probably benefit from because it's just so much food around us and we're just not active in our daily lives, is, you know, focus on getting you stronger, which is number one. Like if we can give you some good strength and build, you don't have to build a ton of muscle either. Just getting stronger tends to get the metabolic rate

Starting point is 00:13:34 to burn more calories makes you utilize insulin better and all those other things. So that'll be the goal. What if your workouts been up until now? I definitely did a lot of bodybuilding last summer when I was dating a guy who was like super, super fit. Yeah, but you over did it, didn't you go crazy? I do feel like doing his regimen

Starting point is 00:13:51 was probably not the right way to go into it. But yeah, because I felt, I really did feel like I was high cortisol. Like I felt like it was giving me, it was kind of intuitive. I was like, I was like, you know, Travis, I don't really feel like I'm getting the results that I should be getting.

Starting point is 00:14:07 And I feel like it's because my cortisol is so high. And I think this is kind of maladaptive. But I was also eating fairly low carb at the time. So I'm wondering also if I wasn't feeding myself enough. You know, it's really hard to say, but. As insulin inversely related with cortisol, like if insulin goes up, does cortisol go down or does that matter?

Starting point is 00:14:24 So typically what happens is cortisol makes insulin resistant. So the insulin that you release your body cells are resistant to it. So you need more. So it's a vicious cycle of insulin resistance. Is this cause cortisol makes your liver just release a lot of sugar?

Starting point is 00:14:38 Is that part of it? And it makes your cells resistant to the sugar that it releases. It's just directly. Oh wow, I did not know that. Yeah. Very interesting. How common do you find that with your clients and patients?

Starting point is 00:14:49 Oh my God. Oh my God, insulin resistance is everywhere. And the thing is, is that I think it's highly, highly underdiagnosed because we don't do oral glucose tolerance tests. And we don't do, like, nobody goes to the doctor and does a two hour glucose challenge with insulin measured at one hour and two hours. Nobody does that anymore. That's actually where we have a problem because there's 80 million people with pre-diabetes

Starting point is 00:15:11 in this country and most of them, like only 11% of them know they have it. That's CDC statistics. Part of the reason is the way you diagnose pre-diabetes is there's three ways. You can use heboglomerate one C, which doesn't catch everyone. You can use fastened glucose, which doesn't catch everyone, because that only tells you about your fasting levels,

Starting point is 00:15:32 which is really your hepatic insulin resistance. And then your muscle insulin resistance, you catch through the glucose challenge test. So one can be off in the other one now. So one of that measures your liver, how your liver responds, the other one is your muscle of that measures your liver, how your liver responds, the other one is your muscle, that response. I did not know that.

Starting point is 00:15:49 And there's isolated forms of both, right? And then you can find them together, but not everybody has them together. What do you find most common with the people that like let's say for example in liver, they struggle there? Is there a type of person? Racerol fat, man, alcohol.

Starting point is 00:16:03 Like people who have fatty liver and fatty, my visceral fat levels are tiny. I think it's probably because I'm fairly, my fitness is pretty much okay. But my visceral fat, it's like point 02 or something super low. So that's great, so that's not my issue. But, you know, like, this is where, again,

Starting point is 00:16:24 glucose monitoring comes in, because if you're not looking at your response to meals, you don't know how your muscles are responding to the food. You don't know if they're easily taking them up. Like, I exercise like a really hard workout yesterday morning, a bunch of high intensity stuff, and I had super low blood sugar all day long because of that effect on my muscle. That's part of the reason why it's so good to exercise. By the way, we're probably gonna recommend that you don't do super high intensity workouts, but we're not.

Starting point is 00:16:52 I'm guessing. Yeah, because what we wanna do is send a signal to your body to build muscle. We're not trying to get you to burn a shit ton of calories while you're working out, because that actually can cause the body to start to adapt in a way where it becomes really efficient calories. So we see this this a lot with like we'll get clients to do a lot of running or do all they do is hit style workouts and their metabolism's just adapt, adapt, adapt. And then we have these, I had

Starting point is 00:17:16 a hundred and I had a young lady, 120 pound X figure competitor or bikini competitor who was doing an hour and a half of working out every day and was cum anything over 1200 calories you gain weight. That's how much from a tablet I'm adapted. Wow. So we had to reverse out of that. Have relief weights took us a year before I could get her to, you know, be able to consume closer to 2000 calories with that type of activity. That to me is my dream.

Starting point is 00:17:40 Like to be able to easily consume 2000 calories. What you, what you should be able to do. It's not like you're a four foot nine, little 80 pound girl. I mean, you have enough size and muscle density that you should be able to burn that much. Totally. And I love eating. So let's get real. And I love eating vegetables.

Starting point is 00:17:55 Like I eat most, I mean, I fucking love vegetables. I've got passionate efforts. I'm sorry for causing. I'm trying to work on that. But for real, vegetables are like the day. I'm sorry for causing. I'm trying to work on that. Broccoli, yeah. No, but for real, vegetables are like the key to optimal health along with exercise, just because they feed your microbiome. And if your microbiome is healthy, then you'll live long time.

Starting point is 00:18:15 But I guess kind of going back to the adder all thing, like when you're not eating, your metabolism is like tanked, you know, because you're just not eating. You're eating like maybe one, maybe one and two meals a day. And that's another thing that we, you know, because you're just not eating. You're eating like maybe one, maybe one and two meals a day. And that's another thing that we, you know, there's this big fasting obsession right now. And like, I think I'm gonna get a lot of questions from this discussion, which is like, okay, so what about fasting, right?

Starting point is 00:18:36 Like, how do you fit into fasting? This is my question for you guys, until like a bodybuilding regimen, because we know that it's good for apoptosis. We know that it's good for your cellular health long jeopardy. So like, how does this work in your world? I would not recommend fasting to somebody

Starting point is 00:18:50 who I'm trying to get their metabolism to amp up. So if I get it, if I get it, I do recommend fasting to a bodybuilder, so that was one of the things I used to do when I was one of the first coaches that I ever knew that in a middle of a prep would make all my athletes fast. Wow. But they're all overfed, they're all, you know,

Starting point is 00:19:04 right, yes. See, you know, right. You know, what was your goal there just to shed quickly? Well, you know, that's part of me just being a butt head too. Like, I just want to show them that, like, listen, this is something that you can do, because the myth out there is that they're going to do that and muscle is going to fall off. Right. You know, I mean, I remember what it felt like to be that kid too, who's trying to build

Starting point is 00:19:21 muscle and then also, you see the scale go down and then right away, you think, oh, God, it was a pound of muscle that came off of me. But that's not what's happening. So I think I did it originally for just to show people like, listen, you can do this and you can be okay because I found that in the competitive world, a lot of these athletes had a really poor relationship with food. And so I was trying to break that. So for me, it was more about a relationship and the connection that you had with food.

Starting point is 00:19:46 That you were so, because I mean, we can talk all day about all the different health benefits to fasting, but in my personal experience, one of the most beneficial things that clients and mine have learned from fasting, is just the relationship with food is really great. It's realizing that holy shit,

Starting point is 00:20:01 you could go two days and not eat food, and your body is just fine. That's the reason why fasting is in like every major spiritual religious practice. Because of that, and that's why I practice fasting every month. I do a 72 hour fast and I get the physical benefits from it and I notice those, but that's not why, that's not what motivates me to do it. It's that whole psychological aspect. I feel like it's a reset. My palate gets reset.

Starting point is 00:20:26 I break the chains of food. And what I mean by that is the emotional connections or when I get cravings which are not real hunger and all those different things. Totally. But if I get a client who has a, what we would call a damaged metabolism, and I hate using that term because it's not

Starting point is 00:20:41 that their metabolism's are damaged. They're doing exactly what they're supposed to eat. It's a tie. Yeah. But these are people who, okay, I'm not eating a lot of calories, I'm doing a lot of activity. Why is my body fat still high? Why am I able to shed body weight?

Starting point is 00:20:55 And so those are the people I don't have them fast. We don't fast at all. Now, if they do fast, we'll do it for health and it's very infrequent. So the way I would incorporate it, if you're looking for the health benefits of fasting, is not to do the intermittent daily fasting, but rather to do maybe a 24 hour or 48 hour fast once, maybe a month or once every other month for all those other benefits. So that's actually one of my goals anyway, it's just to do like two days

Starting point is 00:21:21 a month. That's it. So that's it. That would be the way to do it. With bodybuilders, I always did it, or competitors, I always did it with the transition from, in a surplus to going to deficits. So let's say I just, you know, I'm coaching you and you're getting ready for a show, and I just gave you a surplus of, you know, three days in a row of 2,000 calories, which is a lot for you, you know, for those three days,

Starting point is 00:21:40 then on the fourth day, we're fasting, you know, no food for the entire day, you know, and I'd bring down the intensity in their training. And for me, it was about breaking again, that relationship. Obviously, it's not advantageous for a competitor, a bodybuilder to be intermittent fasting almost every day or fasting every single week.

Starting point is 00:21:56 I just did it when I'd be transitioning and more so to teach the lesser. Well, there's also evidence to suggest that when you have regular and consistent feedings of protein, you actually become desensitized to it in the sense that your body uses it little less efficiently, more of it is turned into energy. And so for bodybuilders who are consuming all this protein, all this food, a fast, and then they go back to eating the protein, it's like, boom, they get this boost from it.

Starting point is 00:22:23 And I notice that every time. So every time I fast, I notice when I, it's like three days into my refeed or whatever, where I notice like this, almost like this anabolic effect. Well, I love what you guys are saying because really, it kind of goes back to this idea of what really health is all about, which is adapting and self-managing in the face of whatever life like hands us.

Starting point is 00:22:40 And, you know, I think for a lot of people in America, if we had a mass famine, for, for you know like people would just lose it like this country would not survive like we're asking a lot of countries people survive and they live through like serious famines and like guess kids like yes there are children who die but I do feel like we are very fragile country when it comes to food because we're so over fed oh you know what I make this I make this point all the time and people will debate me and then I win this debate every single time. Most people in Western civilized societies

Starting point is 00:23:11 have never felt real hunger. True. They've never gone longer than 12 hours without food ever and their entire lives. So everything that they think hunger is, is actually not hunger, but rather cravings or emotional connection or set and setting. So when they say things is, is actually not hunger, but rather cravings or emotional connection or set and setting.

Starting point is 00:23:27 So when they say things like, I'm starving, I get starving by lunchtime. You're actually not hungry. You know it's time to eat. You may be craving something. I mean, real hunger is this. If you're truly hungry, you'll eat anything. When you're craving something,

Starting point is 00:23:41 it's one of these where you'll tell your friend, like, I'm starving, they'll be like, oh cool, let's go get Mexican. I'm not in the mood for Mexican. I had that yesterday. Well, let's get pizza. I'm not in the mood for pizza. You're not actually hungry. Yeah. You just have craving. And this is actually where, again, I love wearing a glucose monitor, because I can see if I'm actually a low blood sugar,

Starting point is 00:23:56 I can see if I'm like in the range where I should legitimately feel hunger. And there's two studies that I've been using to guide the programming of this app around biofeedback assist, like basically assisting people who have never felt hunger, using a blood sugar monitor to show them that your blood sugar isn't low enough to feel hunger. Oh, that's brilliant. Right?

Starting point is 00:24:15 No, I need to eat my blood sugar metrics. So most people are eating and their blood sugar is like 100, and I'm like, sorry, you're good to go. You can actually last a lot longer than that. Wow, I didn't even think about being able to use the tool like that. You imagine that? What a great way to try.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Just ride in your plan. I can't wait till everybody can have that. I know, me too. How long do you think it's going to be till we can all probably, I mean, the goal is like, the goal is the first quarter of next year. Oh, wow. And you're consulting with these companies?

Starting point is 00:24:40 Yeah, and they're two days a week. Wow. So we get one too, right? Yeah, come on. Yeah. You can have us. Come on. Let's see who has the best insulin levels. OK, so I just got a case of these

Starting point is 00:24:51 glucose tolerance test sugar solutions. And I am so afraid to consume one of these, because like, what way, what is this? It's the test that you get at the doctor if you're going to see if you actually have diabetes or not. And I know my fasting glucose is good, and I know that my blood sugar looks good

Starting point is 00:25:07 because I know what I feed myself, but I've never done an actual glucose challenge. And so I'm afraid to see what happens. Is it pure dextrose or? It's yeah. How does it work? Explain how it works. So you start the timer and you drink this stuff

Starting point is 00:25:23 and actually you drink this thing and then you like five minutes. It's just pure sugar water. Pure sugar water. 75 gram, hit of sugar. Oh wow, there's a lot. Yeah, and like what you typically do is you wait two hours but you can measure it one hours and two hours

Starting point is 00:25:37 or you can measure every 30 minutes. If you want to get an even more effective assessment of like your peak. But like we have a glucose monitor so we can just find out when the peak is. And this is something that's missing from a typical glucose tolerance test, is if you're at a lab and they give you this sugar water

Starting point is 00:25:52 and they only test you at one hour and two hours, what if you peaked in the mid in between that, right? So if you missed the peak, you don't even actually know if you actually had an abnormal blood sugar. So I'm basically gonna try to get everybody in the office to do this. I don't know if anyone's gonna do it, but like, but importantly, you have to be eating carbs

Starting point is 00:26:12 before you take this test for it to be fully accurate. Why, why, why if I could say I go into a keto, is it just because I become hypersensitive? You become physiologically insulin resistant. It's like it'll naturally happen if you eat just full ketogenic. This is like all over, I mean, this is like pretty well established stuff. But, um, so like- Wait, what do you mean by that? Explain that because that sounds fascinating.

Starting point is 00:26:31 So your your body becomes, um, your brain is like doing everything you can to get glucose into it, right? So your, your, your peripheral tissues are saying we're not going to let glucose in because we want to shun to tour brain. Right. So the test will show that you have insulin resistance when you go? So yeah, so like I did the biome test and it's and it said that I had insulin resistance and I was like because they have a glucose challenge and I was like but I was eating less than 50 grams of carbs.

Starting point is 00:26:57 Like shouldn't you guys tell me to eat 150 grams of carbs every three day for like three days before I do this because that's generally what they say you should do to get back to because frankly, since being on keto, I am super insulin sensitive. Like, my blood sugars are crazy low right now. So like, there is a benefit to ketogenesis by like really resensitizing yourself in the long term, but during that period of time,

Starting point is 00:27:21 your body is responding like you don't have sugar and you need to make sure your brain is fed. Wow, that's so fascinating. Now, because of that, your body is responding like you don't have sugar and you need to make sure your brain is fed. Wow, that's so fascinating. Now, because of that, now do you encourage people to go weave in and out of like a ketogenic diet and grow up? I mean, like, I, so I have slightly higher cholesterol if I do keto and I have, I just checked my cholesterol, it's above 200 right now. Yeah, it cares though, right?

Starting point is 00:27:41 If it's dietary, because you're obviously eating higher. Everybody says that like you shouldn't care, but like I just feel like I've spent enough time with both the high carb in the low carb worlds to know that both sides have truth to them. And I'm just not I'm just not convinced that like saturated fat is good for everybody. I'm glad you said that because it makes me feel better about the experience I had when I went keto was and it was just me looking at I didn't even test my cholesterol.

Starting point is 00:28:08 I just thought this can't be ideal for me if I wasn't eating anywhere near life. This all of a sudden I'm consuming all this fat. It went over 50% of my diet ends up being butters and oils. Yeah. I just felt really not great by the end of the month. You know, for like second week I felt pretty great. But then by the end of the month. Like second week, I felt pretty great. But then by the end of the month, I was just like, this is so not sustainable for me.

Starting point is 00:28:29 I do not feel well. Did you also, well, that's a point in one. Well, let's get real. I have PPA, AR, Gamma, Genetic Defect. I have an FTO defect, and I have APO E4. Oh my God. You need a SRP21. I have a C3PO.

Starting point is 00:28:42 I have a C3PO. I basically, I can't have a lot of such a thing. People fat. Like my genetics are telling me you cannot live on such a thing. Those are polymorphisms that were some people just, and this is, again, this goes back to each, when you look at individual people, they're very, very different. Generally we can make general, you know, we could say generally, you generally, lower carbs may be better, ketogenic may be better, but when you look at the individual, I'm sorry, but some people, there are some

Starting point is 00:29:11 people that are healthiest vegan. There are people who eat that. Straight up. Just straight up. So, it's very, very individual and you're talking about specific genes that we've now, or variances that we've now identified that make it a higher likelihood that you're not gonna do well with a lot of saturated fat. But there's so much we don't know yet.

Starting point is 00:29:30 And so I think you get at the end of the day, if you feel like shit, probably, because I had people message me, because we all went keto a while ago as an experiment. And it's how I typically eat, not all the time, but most of the time, because I feel best on it. And I'd get messages from people and they'd be like, oh, you know, I've been keto now for three months

Starting point is 00:29:49 and I still feel terrible and my digestion's bad and how long does it take? Okay, so that's not anything, right? Yeah. Like what about the gut health, right? Like you cannot eat the level. I mean, right now I checked my car ride tray and take the last few days.

Starting point is 00:30:03 And I'm eating at least twice as many vegetables. Now that I'm off keto, but I'm still around like 50 grams of carbs, you know, net carbs. So like, am I in ketosis? I don't feel like I'm in ketosis, but I'm eating low carb, but like I need a lot of vegetables

Starting point is 00:30:16 to keep my gut healthy. That's how I, so I, I'll eat very, very low, star-cheek carbohydrates or low sugars and stuff like that, but I do eat a lot of vegetables. So very large servings of everything, broccoli, leafy greens. I like to cook them because I can eat more when I cook them. I eat very, very similar.

Starting point is 00:30:33 But yeah, I mean, those differences are, here's the thing I want to ask you about cholesterol. Did you test to see, because I know you can have high cholesterol, but then you... And of our lipid proviles. Yeah, check your... When I did, well, so I need to check it again, because I had my in-checked in when I was eating higher carbon in December, and my lip, my lipoproteins improved.

Starting point is 00:30:52 But when I did check them after Keto last summer, they had gone way up. So the bad, even the bad forms of the bad ones went up last summer. So that's what got me thinking, maybe it's not. And not everybody happens to, it just happened to me. So that's when I started really looking back into my genetics and just like piling through all the studies that I've done. And I'm like, oh yeah, it basically says,

Starting point is 00:31:17 this is what's gonna happen if I do this. So, and it's not that you can't do it. People can do keto with higher monoinsaturated fats in omega-3s, but it's just a lot harder and you're eating a lot of oil. And so I don't know about you, but it's pretty gross. Like I felt grossed out and I was just like, I can't eat this much oil. All of your life. Dr. Dom Diagostino, same thing as you. So he dramatically reduced the saturated fat and then he increased the amount of other types of fat. I've seen what he eats.

Starting point is 00:31:44 All the oil, sardines, you know, that kind of of stuff. I mean like he does it. He makes it work. Yeah No, it's just like the thing is you end up just eating like protein and green vegetables and so in like nuts and that's just a boring Yeah, yeah, no I'm with you because at the end of look we all the three of us were personal trainers for a long time and so our Experience tells us that we because a lot of times we'll have scientists or doctors on the show and they'll tell us like, this is what's best, this is what the study show. And we'll be thinking because of our experience, we'll be like, well that's nice, but no one's going to do it. Sustainable. Yeah, no one's going to do it. So it actually doesn't matter. So what you're saying doesn't matter because no one's going to follow.

Starting point is 00:32:17 I like the idea of doing it for like a month here and there. Like Mark Cissisand, is that how you say his name? Cissism. Yeah. He says, you know, his whole story is now, just do it twice a year or something like that. And I think for a lot of people who are insulin resistant, which is like third of the country, more than that maybe. Yeah, I think it's a really good reset. I think for a lot of people,

Starting point is 00:32:37 we're so stuck on the insulin cycle and the sugar and the carb cycle that like, we just don't even know what it's like to not live like that. That's why I think it looks so positive. It looks so positive because we've went so far off the deep end with it. Exactly. Well, no shit, everyone's seeing all these great things

Starting point is 00:32:51 from inside. And then you really should not gonna die if you eat all that much fat. You know, you're like, oh, I'm not gonna die. Well, it completely changed my relationship with fats and carbohydrates. I fell into that category of people that just, I trained myself not to eat high fat.

Starting point is 00:33:04 It was like, I was on the low fat Yeah, I had non fat milk in my refrigerator for god knows how long stayed away from butter or stayed away from oil stayed away from all that stuff to keep it down Then when I went keto I and I was eating around that time because I was competing right before we switched over that I was getting close to four to 600 grams of carbs every day And so when we went keto, when they complete opposite, and I saw all the positive effects from it,

Starting point is 00:33:27 the takeaway for me was, holy shit, like, I don't need to eat that many carbohydrates, and now my carbohydrates fall around somewhere about 150 grams of carbs, it's not that much, and I feel great. And I don't have to be keto genic all the time, and it allows me to have a little bit of fun. That's the smart takeaway.

Starting point is 00:33:42 Yeah. That's definitely a smart takeaway. Here's another question on cholesterol. I've read studies that show that people with higher cholesterol tend to have longer lives in the sense that they have lower rates of all-cause mortality. Well, so here's the thing. I had a client who had had like a triple bypass and he was just holding on to his statins and his red e-stress, like it was a security like it. Like he was pushing his lipids so low.

Starting point is 00:34:10 And I was just kept on telling him. I'm like, well, first of all, I wrote him like a 20-page report on his health and I said, look, like you cannot live with this low cholesterol. Like you're not producing enough hormones. All of his hormones were low. I mean, like it's just not healthy to live, the all-cause mortality happens when it's really low. Okay.

Starting point is 00:34:28 I don't necessarily know if higher, I don't know the evidence on higher, but the real evidence that I found was that people who have the lowest cholesterol tend to have the highest all-cause mortality. And so, and then the other thing that people don't talk about is how, like, depression's high too with really low cholesterol.

Starting point is 00:34:44 Exactly. But really about hormone production. Like you can't make enough hormones. And there was a question from somebody on one of the Instagram posts about hormones in middle age. And if you're not eating any cholesterol, and if you don't have enough in your body from its own production, you're not going to make enough testosterone. You're not going to make enough of all of your sexual hormones,

Starting point is 00:35:07 and you're gonna feel like garbage. Well, something that I experiment with, by the way, I do mine now, as I go, I fast once a month, and then I do, I go keto last week of the month, I eat carbs, and then I recycle, and I'm just messing with this right now, going in and out, and it seems to work really well for me. Well, you're kind of developing metabolic flexibility,

Starting point is 00:35:24 right? That's the goal. Like, isn't that what we all should metabolic flexibility, right? That's the goal. Isn't that what we all should be able to do? That's the goal. Shift to whatever fuel we want to burn. And also encourage diversity in my microbiome and all that stuff. I seem to feel the best doing it this way, so very interesting. Let's get into some questions.

Starting point is 00:35:39 I know we got a bunch of questions. We got sent to us. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition I know you got a bunch of questions, I got sent to us. by going to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Rachel Ersoff. The question is, do you trust normative data on routine blood tests? Now, I think she probably means like,

Starting point is 00:36:21 do you trust the ranges that they give you on blood tests? When you take a blood test, it's always like, if you're within this range, that means you're okay. Right. What do you think about that? Well, I used to believe that if you're in the normal range, everything is fine. Then it occurred to me when I started working with this company and this Dr. Lee, Dr. Richard Lee in Foster City, that there's a whole range of normal.

Starting point is 00:36:46 And when we were developing this expert system for optimizing and off-using labs, I was like, well, what are you basing your ranges off of? And he goes, this is off of 10,000 athletes and high performers and where they're, where their hormones were at. And we were not putting people out of range, we're boosting their hormones to get to the optimal range. And I was like, okay, so you have a totally different range

Starting point is 00:37:12 that most doctors do, right? And he's like, yeah, absolutely. He's like the range that most doctors are using is a designed for that region. So whatever your lab region is in, like Northern California will have a lab where we'll have a range for that region. So whatever your lab region is in, like Northern California, we'll have a lab core, we'll have a range for that area.

Starting point is 00:37:28 Oh, I don't know that. That is super interesting. I do not know how this gets down. Yeah, because like, if you believe it or not, not every lab communicates in this country. And believe it or not, lab core is one of the largest bureaucracies in the country. And if you think that like lab core of Florida

Starting point is 00:37:40 communicates the lab core in Northern California, you'd be so extraordinarily mistaken. Oh, wow. Yeah, so there's different regions and then there's different and then there's different like normative range now there's there's you can go to lab test dot com or lab tests online and they're gonna have a range and if you actually started looking comparing all these all these different companies you're gonna find that they're all slightly different so the range gets bigger and bigger than this overall, right?

Starting point is 00:38:05 And so the reality is that these ranges are designed for diagnosing disease and identifying with someone is truly sick. And so in other words, if you're outside of the range, you might have the likelihood that you have a disease is high. But otherwise, it'll not. That's one of the insurance companies will pay for the doctor to act.

Starting point is 00:38:21 So that's a great. Right? Like people never think about the healthcare system like this. They think that's good. So how would I highlight that? It's some, yeah. People think that the system is somehow designed to serve you, and it's actually not. It's designed to serve the insurance companies so that they can decide what you will get.

Starting point is 00:38:40 And they don't want it, it's just the truth, okay? And like anybody who works in healthcare knows this. So when you look at a range, you want't want it. So fuck this. Yeah, it's just the truth, okay? And like anybody who works in healthcare knows this. So when you look at a range, you would always ask your doctor, like how did they decide how to interpret that number? And I personally think that the numbers for men's testosterone are like really, really low. Like you have to be so, so, so, so low testosterone

Starting point is 00:39:04 to get a diagnosis of hypogodonism that like, you're basically, I don't want to use these words, but like, you're basically like... Preview-best in girl. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You're really soft. And at this, so, so, when we were,

Starting point is 00:39:19 when we were using different hormones to boost up to optimize health, we were doing it with the knowledge that we don't want to push you out of that range, which is something that happens when people are taking hormones from God knows where they got them, right? Or maybe they don't have a doctor's supervision. You can end up with, it's kind of like the 80s bodybuilders who were all taking hormones because they were kind of

Starting point is 00:39:40 like dosing themselves. I mean, this is the same problem you see in the LSD microdosing world. It's like when you don't have someone who has experience watching and making sure that you're not hurting yourself, you can really hurt yourself. So the key is that you wanna stay within the range

Starting point is 00:39:53 and you wanna stay in the optimal range. And like, there's different standard deviations of abnormal for every lab. Yeah, I think this highlights how important it is to hear how the patient feels. Also, because I was gonna ask you, can you give an example of where someone might be off the normal range, but that's because they're doing something that you know about and it's like, you're not bad.

Starting point is 00:40:14 I guess the thing I want to emphasize is thyroid hormone. Most doctors are just looking at TSH and free T4, and they're not looking at free T3, which is the active thyroid hormone, right? And they're not looking at total T4 and total T3, and they're not looking at free T3 which is the active thyroid hormone, right? And they're not looking at total T4 and total T3 and they're not seeing what's being converted. So or what about antibodies or reverse T3? Yeah, or antibodies, right? So if you're not looking at a full thyroid panel and you're just saying oh your TSH is normal What if you like ridiculously have thyroid symptoms and you just there's no way of knowing because all they do is say your TSH is normal. And that is like how medicine is practiced in most of the country. I had a client like that where she had all the symptoms of hypothyroidism, but they would test

Starting point is 00:40:55 her TSH and T4 and they're like, no, you're normal, you're normal. So she had to go find specialists and then they tested her antibodies and whatever. And they're like, oh, you have autoimmune issues. And your body's producing this, oh, you have autoimmune issues. Yeah. And your body's producing the thyroid, but you're not utilizing it. So it's like you have no thyroid. Yeah. And so she had to get, I mean, but this took her, by the way, like a year and a half.

Starting point is 00:41:15 Okay. So I had a patient just like this who did not want to take thyroid hormone. And I said, look, we can do our best to optimize your auto immunity. And we did. But at the end of the day, like he didn't want to take the drugs. And so he suffered for two years. And you know what happened?

Starting point is 00:41:30 He went to another doctor. Doctor says, you know you have Hashimoto's, right? And he's like, yeah, well, he's, and now the doctor basically convinced him. He's like, you should just take this. And though the doctor's older, wider, more, you know, like more experience. And he just, he just has taken

Starting point is 00:41:46 the thyroid hormone. And he's like, oh my God, I feel so good. Like you fucker. Well, you know, you know, you could have done this. Like, I gave you through away the bottle I prescribed you like two years ago. You need to have white hair. That's what it is. You need some white hair. But, you know, it's just, it's a delicate thing though, because like now, now you get, now what's your on it, you're like, okay, your month to month things can change and like your dose can change and your needs can change.

Starting point is 00:42:11 And so, you gotta go by, I think at this point. You're a lot of it's feeling when it comes to hormones. That's it, it's very subjective, because again, same exact person I was talking about earlier she'll tell me like, oh, you know, too much thyroid, I need to start lowering it a little bit because I'm getting this. I think we should be prescribing kits of like

Starting point is 00:42:26 microdosed thyroid hormone so you can like literally dose up to what feels right for you. So you can go by the smallest increment up or down. You know? That would be brilliant. I know. I think that's a business idea. So many ideas.

Starting point is 00:42:38 Dr. Molling, we might want to start with the mind-pup. Yeah, and you know, the same thing with we talked about testosterone, like you could be a man and you could have lower testosterone in the range, and you know, the same thing with, with, we talked about testosterone, like, you could be a man and you could have lower testosterone in the range, but you could have incredible angrogen receptor density, where you've got all these receptors,

Starting point is 00:42:53 so less testosterone, for you, you may feel great, or the flip, you may have all this testosterone. You talk, look, I, you know, because I've been in the industry for as long as, and because I've been in the industry as long as I have, I've talked to many men who've been on anabolic steroids. So they're taking a lot of testosterone and they'll have symptoms of low testosterone because the receptors start to shut off.

Starting point is 00:43:17 So now these guys are taking... They've gotten regulation. Totally. So they're taking testosterone and they've got the testosterone of like 50 gorillas and they can't even get a boner because all the receptors go down. Or they have really high sex hormone binding glabulin. Yes, or that, or that which actually makes it kind of... I have a client who has like way too high of such sex hormone binding glabulin, and we're

Starting point is 00:43:35 trying to figure out why, because we think it could be related to too much thyroid hormone he got prescribed, maybe his dose is too high, and that could be pushing up the... But like, I'm just like racking my brain, like you've got a 1,500 natural testosterone level, but your free testosterone looks like you're deficient. And so ... How do you lower that? We're trying a bunch of supplements right now, but like I think he needs to go down on his thyroid dose.

Starting point is 00:44:00 So very interesting. We're trying to figure it out. Cool. All right. Next question is from ... what does that say, Miss Petronis 1996. What kind of diet would you recommend for a woman suffering from polycystic ovary syndrome to rebalance hormones, promote fat loss, etc.

Starting point is 00:44:17 Did you know that it's for that PCOS? Yeah, I didn't know. So, so what, first first of all explain what that is So PCOS is a pretty pretty Common hormonal disorder in a lot of women living in Western countries where you end up with insulin resistance in your ovaries and Insular resistance throughout your body and you end up with high and undergents. So you get things like hercetism and you get things like acne. Which is more hairy, right?

Starting point is 00:44:50 More hair, acne. And these are the most women are not looking for, right? No, not fun. And is this because of the name of it, does it mean you're literally getting cysts on your ovaries? Yeah, you see if you do an ultrasound, you find cysts on the ovaries. And you also, a lot of these women have been fertility issues and abnormal menstrual periods.

Starting point is 00:45:11 How different is that from like something like endometriosis? Well, endometriosis is when the lining of your uterus sort of escapes your uterus and starts growing into your pelvic region. It's a very different, very different problem. Okay, okay. But the problem with PCOS is that we have a lot of people who are just living off of refined

Starting point is 00:45:31 carbs and sugar, right? Like talk to any young woman, what do they eat in college? Like they're eating carbs and they're doing cardio. And so this is one population where I would recommend someone go on a month-long ketogenic diet just to snap back your body into not being insulin, not having to be experiencing such incredible insulin resistance from this condition and being able to resensitize your body towards using a different energy source. Because a lot of these women just cannot lose weight because their bodies cannot metabolize carbohydrates. Wow.

Starting point is 00:46:11 Another thing I would recommend if that's the case, is resistance training. Or resistance training for sure. Yeah, because nothing, I mean, resistance training by far of all the forms of exercise that'll help your body deal with incident-long term, is resistance training because you're building muscle, you're conditioning it and muscle is a great tissue to help balance out,

Starting point is 00:46:30 you know, how your body uses sugar and how your body deals with insulin. There's actually a really cool Instagrammer called Lee from Lee from America and she's this young lady in her 20s who's like totally dealt with PCOS and her website is filled with experiences and descriptions of what she's gone through. So follow her if you wanna learn even more because she's just a wealth of knowledge for a young 25 year old, she knows so much about that. What was her Instagram handle again?

Starting point is 00:46:55 Lee from America. So what are the symptoms of this? Is there a lot of pain during their periods? Are they, because I heard these. So oftentimes they have missed periods. So they're not even having periods sometimes. It's a lot of irregularity. How do they find, how do they,

Starting point is 00:47:10 they're not ovulating. How do they diagnose PCOS? Is it through, it's through symptoms and through ultrasound. Okay. You don't have to have the ultrasound for the diagnosis anymore, I believe. It's a constellation of symptoms and lab tests. But for a lot, so I met another doctor whose wife was really suffering from PCOS and he put her on the ketogenic diet and she got pregnant.

Starting point is 00:47:34 So I was pretty impressed. Wow, that's super rad. And you said that they're not ovulating? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that that happens with PCOS. Yeah. How common would you say it is? Oh, I think it's really common. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that that happens with PCOF. Yeah. How common would you say it is? Oh, I think it's really common.

Starting point is 00:47:47 Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, shit. Does birth control affect something like this? Oh, they put you on birth control. To help? To help with all the symptoms. Wow.

Starting point is 00:47:57 To quote unquote, regulate your periods. But the thing is, you're definitely not going to be ovulating. What it does is just gives you more consistent periods. It doesn't fix the problem. It lowers your... So what happens when you go on birth control is it actually will raise your sex hormone by new globulin, which will bind up more hormone. So it does make you feel better

Starting point is 00:48:14 because you're not dealing with this crazy hormonal creatinon sense, but it doesn't fix the problem and just covers it up. Wow, so it's just covering up the symptom. On that note with birth control, what are your feelings on that? I'm glad you went there. I went there.

Starting point is 00:48:26 Oh, guys. Yeah, what do you mean? I mean, like, look, I was on birth off-non for a lot of my 20s and then when I decided to go off of it in my 30s because I was like, you know, I'm going to want to eventually have kids and I just have a bad feeling about being on something that I know is shutting down my health access.

Starting point is 00:48:44 Right, for that long. And, you know, so, you know, I think for a lot of women feeling about being on something that I know is shutting down my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my acne issues with diet, but also my liver was not in the best condition after going off of birth control. I realized I had some detoxification issues that I needed to remedy. Another reason why it's fun to start biohacking your genetics is because you can start learning all about your detoxification of different hormones. There's a really good, great company called Precision Hormones that does this dry urine test. And most people aren't looking at the whole metabolism

Starting point is 00:49:33 of hormones, they're just looking at the blood hormones and just doing like a quick check, like once a year maybe. And that doesn't give you enough data to know how your hormones are being metabolized. So if you have any issues with cataclylamethyl transfer ACE or with CYP1B1 or CYP2DA, like these are things that you can test for and learn about.

Starting point is 00:49:51 And so I take a bunch of supplements now that can help me balance my hormones. What kind of, if someone goes to a doctor and wants to have a hormone panel? You really want to go to a functional doctor. Okay, I was just gonna say. You really want to go to somebody who's got their, you know,

Starting point is 00:50:05 chops. Do insurance does insurance cover functional? Some of it's starting to cover it. There's a company that my friend, James Maskall, has just started that's trying to create a more affordable version of functional medicine for the masses. I think he might actually pull it off, but he told me that they're working with insurance companies and that they're paying doctors. And I'm like, if that's really happening, that's amazing. I think it'll save them money eventually because they're doing so much such a good job.

Starting point is 00:50:31 I totally agree. I totally agree. Wow, that's fascinating. Yeah, you know, it's an interesting point you made about birth control earlier. There's gotta be a large chunk of, and I'm sure it's not the majority, but a sizable minority of women who are prescribed

Starting point is 00:50:45 birth control, not because they're trying not to get pregnant. No, to remedy something else. To control. Oh my God, birth control is literally prescribed for everything under the sun and upstack tricks to treat every hormonal problem. Because what does it do really well? It turns off your hormones, right?

Starting point is 00:51:00 It's like what it does is it's a feedback loop switch, right? So it's like, you guys know this, you take testosterone enough, you can shut down your gonadal access and you won't make as much firm. That's right. Same thing happens with women's ovaries, right? You give them enough estrogen, it'll have negative feedback loop on the brain, and it'll start shutting down ovulation. And, you know, we wonder why so many women are struggling with infertility. And here's the fascinating, here's what really fascinates me, can find these studies now they're starting to find that women's preferences in

Starting point is 00:51:30 you know uh... the opposite sex changes when they're on birth control for some degree yeah and did you did you know that was part of the reason why i went out did you start to see the guy you're dating different guys after the fact you know you wanted more manly man probably afterwards or something like that, so it's supposed to be. I don't know if it was more manly man, but I did feel like I was worried that I would meet the man in my dreams, go off birth control and then not one to many more.

Starting point is 00:51:53 That's a statistic, by the way. I've heard that that can happen. Yes, that's a real statistic. Divorce rates go up, it's a significant, it's not a human number, but yeah. But I also know that I feel like pheromones are important, like chemical messengers, and like a lot of what's happening

Starting point is 00:52:09 in an interaction with people is actually unspoken. And I feel like when it comes to sexual attraction, I want the most authentic attraction to come from my body, right? My body to be telling me what it should be. Like I wanna be like, yeah, this is real. Not like, am I in no more men, not into them? You know, like I-

Starting point is 00:52:27 Which is what security right now is. Yeah. I read this whole article on it where they showed all these tests and they showed, they took pictures of men and then they digitally feminized the faces or digitally masculinized the faces. And it was subtle. It was subtle.

Starting point is 00:52:43 So you could see it was the same person, but you could tell one is a little more feminine, one's a little more masculine. When women are ovulating, they mostly want the masculine version, when they're not, they want the more feminine version. When they're on birth control, the feminine version. And so it definitely changes your preferences. And then they interviewed this one woman in this article I read

Starting point is 00:53:01 where she said that, she loved the way her husband smelled and she loved everything. You know, just just being around and putting her nose up to him and smelling him, then she went off birth control and she could not stand his smell. Oh my God. Oh my God. Terrify. See, wouldn't that suck to have to deal with that? Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:53:19 I'm terrible. I mean, at the end of the day, this is a gigantic experiment we've been doing. And we don't really totally know if we've, we've, we've, I mean, I'm just looking at signals from society and you know, there is, part of it is women are waiting to longer to have kids. I'm one of them. But the other question is, is like, do we, do we have to start asking ourselves like, are we contributing to the infertility epidemic with this many hormones?

Starting point is 00:53:46 I don't know. I think so. I think it's an experiment with us. We don't know. With our biology. I also think socially it's been a big experiment. Yes. Because for the first time in history,

Starting point is 00:53:55 look, forever, forever, up until recently in human history, sex was connected with pleasure, connection, and babies. And now what we've done is we've eliminated babies out of that. And that is a big social experiment. It is. And so there's a lot of sociologists that comment on that and stuff. I think it's very fascinating, but excellent.

Starting point is 00:54:17 All right, so the next question is from, what does that say there? Jay, Feline, Jay. Jay, Lennon, Niko. There you go, yeah, thanks, Doug. Jay, Len, Len. No, Jay. Jay Lennon. There you go. Yeah, thanks, Doug. Jay Lennon Lennon, something like that. Makeup and skincare in relation to health.

Starting point is 00:54:31 Oh my gosh. Please. Yeah, let's talk about that. What about makeup and skincare stuff? Do we need to worry about what's in that? Yeah, so I can't just say that if I die from anything that I've done to myself, it's probably the amount of chemicals I've been putting on my body since I was in maybe six grade.

Starting point is 00:54:44 Because there are endocrine disruptors everywhere, especially women's beauty products. And I'm actually in the process of trying to, like, as a side project, not that I really need to do this, but because it's fun. I'm developing a bunch of products in my kitchen right now because, like, I'm looking at all these things and I'm putting on my body regularly. And I'm like, really? Am I doing this? Like, are we doing harm to our ability to actually reproduce by putting things in our body

Starting point is 00:55:11 and making ourselves look a certain way in order to reproduce? Right? Yeah, irony in that. Iarnie. The irony in that. It's crazy when you think about that. That's such a great point.

Starting point is 00:55:20 Oh, I finally met someone because I'm hot and now we can have kids. Oops, can't have kids. Right, so I'm wondering if that's part of why a lot of women have hormonal dysfunction is maybe it's because we're painting our bodies with all sorts of chemicals every day. And every single woman in Hollywood and music today has got to make up line now.

Starting point is 00:55:38 And I'm sorry, but the Kardashians and what they have done to people's faces. No. Like, you guys seen on Instagram, what people are doing now with contouring? It's just gross. We touched on this a while ago and we got really sensitive. Remember I think we had some pushback on some people that were all mad at us? It's like you're painting a new face on your face.

Starting point is 00:55:57 It is. It's a completely new person. You're masking your beauty. What I want is I found through a bunch of really cool products, like you can't get really good skin with great skin products, but like, I have celiac. A lot of women in media have autoimmune diseases, a lot of my friends have autoimmune diseases. And like, I keep on asking myself, okay, is autoimmunity definitely part of the fact that like, we have such disorder gut microbiomes, but also is it because so many women,

Starting point is 00:56:26 which by the way, audimunity definitely affects women more than men. Yeah, you guys are more sensitive to it. Like maybe it has to do with what we're putting on our body. I just say more sensitive or more that you've been disrupting it for so long. Maybe we've been disrupting our bodies for so long.

Starting point is 00:56:39 Yeah, because in doctrine for people that know what that means, these are chemicals that have a weak affinity for hormone receptors or they affect the hormonal system. Okay, and on top of that, how many women are just so mean to themselves, there's always a psychological component of every disease. And I keep an eye to myself, how can a country, America, really heal

Starting point is 00:57:04 if so many of us are told to hate our bodies and hate our minds, hate our faces and hate the way we were naturally born and have to be someone else? You know, like I actually got funny guys, I got a private message from a young lady from the Mind Pub podcast who had breast implants. And I guess this is kind of like a side discussion, but I guess we're on the topic of cosmetics and cosmetic changes for beauty and and for, for, you know, overall health and confidence.

Starting point is 00:57:35 And I'm convinced that like she's, she has like, you know, breast implant-related autoimmunity, you know, because she's, she basically got implants and right after that developed autoimmune disease. Is that common? Is that happening? That also? It's considered to be a condition. Like doctors are, like there are women who like-

Starting point is 00:57:52 It's controversial only because there's so much pushback from the cosmetic surgery community. They don't want people to know that there's these negative- But like let's get real. Like your body is rejecting something. Yeah. And like what, what my theory is, is what's happening is like when, when you get real. But your body is rejecting something. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:05 And like what my theory is is what's happening is like when you put something foreign in your body and it starts, your body starts attacking the foreign object, your body starts making scar tissue around that object. Your capsillation. And then your tissue is like still trying to attack things and you can get crash reactivity with your own body, right? I agree. I agree 100%. And also, it's a bummer.

Starting point is 00:58:26 And also just from a esoteric standpoint, such a fake boob guy. Yeah. He is, you know. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, proclaimed. You know what, dude? It's,

Starting point is 00:58:35 Well, the technology does seem to be getting better and better for these plants, but. Here's a, and I look, I get it, it's, you know, it's your body, do as you wish. And I understand for some people, I get, actually, it doesn't matter. It's your body, do as you wish. I understand for some people, actually, it doesn't matter. It's your body, do as you wish. But on an esoteric level, if you think about it, you hate yourself so much, you hate your

Starting point is 00:58:52 body so much. We know that our thoughts and how we think about things affect us biologically. We know this for a fact. For a fact, I can literally measure chemicals in your body and hormones. Have you think about happy thoughts? Have you think about sad thoughts? Have you get stressed out? And we can see things changing. 100% are good.

Starting point is 00:59:09 And those are the things that we know to measure and we know the relation. There's a lot of things we still don't even understand. So if you hate on your body enough, can that manifest into your body then attacking itself? Theoretically, I could see that being a possibility. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:59:24 You know? Interestingly, there's plenty of research on stress and blood sugar. itself, theoretically, I could see that being a possibility, absolutely. You know? Interestingly, there's plenty of research on stress and blood sugar. And I don't know if I mentioned the last time I was here, but people who are exposed to racism have higher blood sugars, have higher risk of blood sugar problems later in life. I mean, like, kids with adverse childhood experiences have much higher rates of chronic diseases later in life and depression. So.

Starting point is 00:59:47 Absolutely, this is why I mean, like a spiritual or meditative practice, I firmly believe, and this is something that I've only recently added into my, you know, my lifestyle, because it was always, it was the last brick because up until relatively recently, it was like, okay, exercise, yes, and then eating, right? And then that changed a lot and learning about nutrition.

Starting point is 01:00:08 And then it became okay about sleep and okay, have good relationships. And it was like the last thing was like the spiritual practice. And when I really examined things, I looked and said, well, spiritual practices in some way, shape, or form have been a part of human history. And we're wired to have these experiences. in some way, shape or form have been a part of human history. And we're wired to have these experiences.

Starting point is 01:00:28 It's probably an important thing that we should, like you exercise your muscles, why not exercise that part of you? Because that can turn into other health things, so. So obviously less is more as far as the makeup is concerned, but is there a good product? There's like the Environmental Working Group has a website that you can start running all of your cosmetics through.

Starting point is 01:00:46 Oh, that's cool. I actually, one of my projects that I haven't done yet that's on my to-do list is to basically take my bathroom and run everything through it. Find out what I got to throw away. What's the website called? Environmental Working Group. Excellent.

Starting point is 01:00:59 org or dot com, do you know? Dot org, I believe. And there was a study that is mentioning, called the Hermosa Study. They took a bunch of Hispanic young women and had them measure their urine before and after removing most of their cosmetics from their regimens. They found that the chemicals in their urine dramatically lowered. There was a dramatic difference in the amount of excretion of these chemicals that really shouldn't be in.

Starting point is 01:01:29 A lot of the problem is that a lot of the worst cosmetics affect the most impoverished people because they're not taken out of the cheap products yet. So like you can still find treclosin in Johnson and Johnson products. You can still find. Which is antibiotic, right? Yeah, antimicrobial.

Starting point is 01:01:44 You can still find phalates in nail polishes, you can still find parabens. I find parabens in expensive products sometimes, but generally speaking, you find these in the cheaper products. And who buys cheaper products? Well, people who can't afford them are expensive ones. And so it's not fair that the people who are suffering the most are probably the people who don't have the education

Starting point is 01:02:05 to know better, to choose more healthier products. But frankly, like a lot of what a lot of women don't know is that you can make pretty amazing body oils from coconut oil and essential oils. You know, like simple stuff like that, you can make your own cosmetics. My girlfriend uses avocado oil. Oh, great.

Starting point is 01:02:22 She'll use that in her legs and I'm like, damn, what are you got in your legs? They taste good. All right, so I see you in my breath. So, my bad. All right, final question is from Elizabeth H. Harris. Strategies for the middle aged female athlete. How to manage and balance hormones,

Starting point is 01:02:38 adrenal function, thyroid, et cetera, with high levels of physical activity. Bottom line, the impact on the endocardan system as a whole. Okay, so this might be controversial because I have clients who are pro hormones and against hormones, some of the ones that are against them tend to be the ones that are like, just fundamentally believe that all drugs are bad

Starting point is 01:02:59 and they should be not using anything ever. But that being said, I think that if you look at society, if you look at humanity, it's really amazing that we're living past 50, right? Because like, our life spans are just getting longer and longer, but so we didn't really have to worry about menopause, like 200 years ago. People just died, right? So now people are living. And the question is, do we want to live with the, you know, like the fact is, is that you've got like 200 receptor sites

Starting point is 01:03:34 in your body for estrogen. And your brain is just a fundamentally different brain when you don't have estrogen. So what typically happens to people in cultures where they don't have access to hormone replacement is men as they age start reducing their testosterone production. A women as they age start reducing their estrogen production. And if you look at old people, they start kind of looking like each other.

Starting point is 01:03:55 Right? They kind of lose their gender identity, which is fine. You know, it's totally fine if you want to age like old Chinese women in the middle of rural China, that's fine. But we live in a modern life where we have technology that can enable us to live differently. And my personal belief is that when I hit the age of a pause, I'm definitely going to be taking hormones

Starting point is 01:04:15 and I'm definitely going to be tweaking them based on my labs because I don't want to suffer. And I want to be able to do things with my body till later in life. So my personal preference would be that if I was a middle-aged woman, I would get tons of hormone testing. I would go to an expert doctor

Starting point is 01:04:33 and I would get replacement based off of what I needed. Do you think being a competitive type of athlete at this age makes it easier or more challenging for this person. Well, the thing about being a competitive athlete is you know you're putting your body under an even more stress because I'm guessing this person is probably a high performer in other areas of her life, which means like, you know, how many competitive athletes do you know that are in their middle age that are just doing that, right?

Starting point is 01:05:01 Right. Yeah. So I'm guessing she's probably an executive or probably somebody who has like- Right. How you do anything is how you do everything? that, right? Yeah. So I'm guessing she's probably an executive or probably somebody who has like... Right. How you do anything is how you do everything? Yeah, right. Yeah. So when you're working a lot and you're exercising a lot, you have to ask yourself, how are you recovering from the stress? And so that's really a big important part. But then when you're doing like high levels of physical activity, the question is, is like, how was that affecting your body? I think we've talked about this before,

Starting point is 01:05:29 but sometimes I see people who get into CrossFit, and I see them get this really strong limbs, but then they have a gut. And it's because oftentimes, I think that it looks like a high cortisol habitus. Looks like somebody who's got too much cortisol. Now, if someone, a lot of women have thyroid dysfunction, it's just such a problem that like,

Starting point is 01:05:50 I'm surprised people don't these days, but the question she has to find out is, where does she have a problem and where can she mitigate that problem? Where is the delta that needs to be addressed? For somebody who's a super crazy athlete, adaptogens are key, but you want to make sure you're taking the right ones for your body.

Starting point is 01:06:11 I just found out that Oshwaganda is a nightshade. So somebody's got autoimmunity, that might not be the best one for them. Gojibaries as well, or nightshades. Not great for people with autoimmunity. So I would get tested. So I would get tested. So I would get typical blood labs, including estrogen, progesterone, sex hormone,

Starting point is 01:06:31 my new glabulin, testosterone. But for a woman, you want to make sure you get the LCMS, not the other test, which is for men. And that's because certain testosterone test will not pick up the testosterone in women with as much sensitivity. The elisa test is the one you don't want if you're a woman, and see what the high sensitivity one, then you want to get CRP, you want to get homocysteine to check your inflammation and

Starting point is 01:06:57 your oxidative stress, and then you also want to check your DHEAS, your morning cortisol, and then you want to look at your cortisol rhythm, and you want to look at your hormone metabolism. And then you want to get that full thyroid panel that I told you about before. And those are the same tests that we were doing at Genesol that I still do my practice today. And I do them because I think that it gives you a nice picture of how your hormones are responding to your daily life. And then in these people I would also look at heart rate variability.

Starting point is 01:07:23 You make a good point because at the end of the day it's about quality of life. And then in these people, I would also look at heart rate variability. You make a good point because at the end of the day, it's about quality of life. And if a medication, and we always say this too on the show, because sometimes we come across as anti-all medicines, and I think we come across that way sometimes because we're so over-medicated, generally speaking. But at the end of the day, if it improves your quality of life, then go for it. It is dosing. Like, I always start people on the lowest possible dose. Like, I had a client with pretty much zero testosterone. She's like, what do I have no libido?

Starting point is 01:07:56 I'm like, well, why don't we just start you on a tiny bit of testosterone? And by tiny, I mean, like, the pharmacists I was speaking to at the compounding pharmacy was like, you do realize this is like really, really, really small dose, right? And she's like, we never, we never dose the slow. I'm like, well, I want to dose the slow. Gave it to my client. She totally noticed a difference. And she's like, I don't, and I was like, you know, you can go up if you want, but you

Starting point is 01:08:17 don't have to. She was like, this is perfect. So like, turns out you can actually do really well with lower doses of things. You can. And the other thing, too, to consider here, we're talking about a female. Now men and women are very different in this, in one, in many regards, but in this regard in particular, men, if we're healthy, if we're fit, if we eat adequate fat intake, and, you know, we got good strength and all that stuff, theoretically speaking, we can, we can

Starting point is 01:08:43 produce sperm up until the day we die. We can actually theoretically speaking impregnate someone until the day we die, even if we live yeah, even if we live until the age of 80. Great power. Now women go through a change where they literally their bodies no longer fertile, like you cannot have to do more. You can interestingly, you cannot produce eggs, but women can have babies with the aid of hormones for a lot longer than we realized.

Starting point is 01:09:11 Yeah. Definitely. That's a good way. I would speculate how long? Um, we would have done it in their 50s. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. But still, there's this change that happens naturally

Starting point is 01:09:21 in a woman's body, which just stops having, an evolutionary, evolutionary scientists think that this happened because the role of the grandmother was so important in the tribe, where she needed to stop having babies so that she could help her daughter or her son or whatever take care of their babies. And so this became this like evolutionary strategy,

Starting point is 01:09:44 if you're well. So it's a big change, but yeah, even, you know, here's the thing like, if you tackle everything, including your sleep, your exercise, your diet, and you're doing all the things right and you're resting because you're in high level athlete, you know, you might be overdoing everything like, well, that's, I feel like questions like this remind me of like the, we get a lot of these, they're just different, they're just phrase differently, it's like the eat your cake and have it too. It's here if you're asking you're asking a health question how do I take care of my health or keep something healthy meanwhile while I'm this

Starting point is 01:10:13 competitive athlete in advanced age like you know when a lot of people we think athletes are healthy but doesn't you can be athletic but you doesn't necessarily mean you're healthy. Oh my god totally and so it's really like where are your priorities? Like is your priorities in the, you know, the endocrine system and being healthy, or is it in being a optimal athlete? And if it's being an optimal athlete, there's no doubt I'm gonna push you in the directions of,

Starting point is 01:10:37 okay, well then, you know, taking hormones, getting this done, maybe we go that route because you care more about that. But if you look at me as a client, say, I like to run, I have these athletic things I like to do, but it's less of a priority than my health and the advice I give is going to be different. Yeah. And it's same thing with being a man, like, you know, once I hit my mid 40s and 50s, if I think to myself, like, God, I'm not like I used to be when I was in my 20s.

Starting point is 01:10:58 Right. I could take testosterone and start to feel like I used to, or, or not in, understand that I'm eating or whatever. But as far as quality of life is concerned, I'm 100% on more than one. One of the things that I'm kind of against though is this obsession and San Francisco and Silicon Valley of people taking growth hormone. Is that a big thing? It's a really big thing. Yeah, a lot.

Starting point is 01:11:19 I mean, I was at a party once and I literally saw these two guys that I know. One guy was handing the other guy like a kid for growth hormone. And I was like, is that what I think it is? And they were like, don't you didn't see that. And I'm like, oh my god, that just happened. And I was like, it's cool. Like I totally understand what you guys were doing.

Starting point is 01:11:38 It's not a big deal. But like, what I don't understand is why people, even by the way, this is like, funnily enough, someone quoted in this article that was written about me that like Peter Tillie used this growth hormone. And so I immediately texted my friend who's a doctor and I was like, I didn't say that. I did not say that that was like heat. I didn't even mention his name.

Starting point is 01:11:57 But it apparently was public knowledge at this point. So the journalist was writing about it. And I found out that that was true. And I was just like, do people, do people who want to live forever, why are they taking a substance that definitely leads to increased risk of cancer? Like if you have a little bit of cancer

Starting point is 01:12:13 and you're poor growth hormone on it, it's gonna grow. In the context of inflammation and cancerous, and it's a bit of a problem. And this is the thing, like when I start using replacement hormones later in life, later in life, you better bet your bridges I'm gonna be getting MRIs on a yearly basis, checking for cancer.

Starting point is 01:12:28 Like, because these are growth hormones, right? Like hormones help us grow. And part of what sucks about aging is we don't grow as much. We start declining. And so you have to be vigilant about cancer if you're gonna be doing these things because you aren't risk. Like.

Starting point is 01:12:42 That's a good point because if you had like an estrogen sensitive cancer, and you're taking estrogen. Exactly. You know, it could be a bad thing. But even more of a reason to make sure that your lifestyle is healthy, even more of a reason to make, like, you know, since our last podcast, I've actually like really re-evaluated my lifestyle because I'm starting to ask myself, like, as I start studying more Chinese medicine, there's this idea of, when you fully exhaust yourself, you're actually

Starting point is 01:13:05 draining your quote unquote, jing, which is this source of energy and vitality and life force. And I'm kind of like, well, maybe the Chinese people actually had had some knowledge on this that like me letting myself get so exhausted that like I basically sleep for like 14 hours on occasion, maybe that's not good for me, you know, long term. So I've been asking myself like, where can I actually find places in my life where I can just say, I'm gonna do less. That's so rad.

Starting point is 01:13:33 So you're studying Chinese medicine right now. I mean, I'm studying a lot of things, but one of the things that I'm personally interested in is Chinese herbs. There's apparently like 50 Chinese herbs that are like the compendium of like, like I had some herbal tonics in LA. Um, at the super hippie amazing grocery store called Erwan as you probably

Starting point is 01:13:50 see in my Instagram stories is my favorite place in the whole world. And I drank these these tonics and I was just like, this is insane. How good I feel. And I was just like, I've got to figure out what this is all about. So now I'm just like studying all the adaptogens and so awesome. But some deer antler velvet. What are some of the things you're finding? What do you think? What are you finding?

Starting point is 01:14:09 What are you finding? Apparently it's a tonic for libido and testosterone. And- Remember the kick on the deer antler spray for a- That was so hot that it was like the big thing. Did you start taking it? I mean, I have some and I put it in my- I'm putting it in my like tonics that I'm creating.

Starting point is 01:14:23 Is it working? I mean, I, I'm actually fairly celibate right now. So, I feel like I have a good libido, but like, it's being transformed into my work, not into my sexual life. So you're all horny, could be your hungry, could be your hungry, too. You know, I, you know, I'm reading the fuck out of the books right now. I was, you know, I heard I took a hyper productive. I'm a hyper productive. Like, I am in love with my vegetables, but like, not like, that's gross. I was genuinely like hyper productive. I'm a hyper productive.

Starting point is 01:14:45 Like I am in love with my vegetables, but like not like that, that's gross. You guys are terrible. You guys are terrible. I'm just trying to tie it all in. This is ridiculous. No, but I am interested in this concept of like the balance of Chinese herbs and achieving more of a sense of well-being.

Starting point is 01:15:02 And because like you can have one, this ton was like $16, let's get real. Like I was like, this is ridiculous. This cannot be this much money. And so I started looking at all the ingredients and then I went back down to LA and I went to the store and I go, hey, can you just like, kind of like screen shot that recipe

Starting point is 01:15:18 because I want to make this? I found out that I was using the wrong amounts of things, like too much chilegit. And so I've in modifying mine. But I'm kind of being guided by how I feel, but also now that I'm looking into the actual science behind all this, I'm like, there are, man, thousands of years behind all this stuff.

Starting point is 01:15:37 So if I had three of me and I didn't have five jobs, I would probably be going back to school, but I have a textbook and I have the ability to read. And one of the things I really find the most valuable of my medical education was that I learned how to teach myself anything. I didn't go to all my classes. I spent a lot of time watching videos.

Starting point is 01:15:57 I spent a lot of time in my room just feeling frankly like garbage because I didn't take great care of myself for part of medical school. So I learned how to teach myself and everything through just watching videos and reading textbooks and that's how I learn now. That's so awesome. Yeah, the Western medicine is based off of the scientific method.

Starting point is 01:16:14 Chinese medicine, erivetic medicine, or not because they weren't using the scientific method. And what the scientific method does very, very well is it breaks things down into components, into pieces. And then it dives in super deep on those pieces and really gets a good understanding of those pieces. But through doing that, it loses sight of the entire thing, which is why Western medicine tends to treat

Starting point is 01:16:37 the human organism as pieces. Like go to a hormone doctor, go to a gut health doctor, go to a doctor that works on the nervous system. Whereas with Chinese medicine, it's the human organism and it always has been. So when they look at herbs and your organs worth, whatever, they're looking at you from a whole perspective. So for chronic issues,

Starting point is 01:16:59 I have lots of experience with Chinese medicine. My uncle is a Chinese herbalist. And I've learned a lot from him and that's how he explains it. And he goes, you know, when it comes to chronic issue, like if you go to a Chinese medicine doctor and you tell me have some chronic issue, they're gonna look at your diet, they're gonna look at how you sleep, they're gonna look at, you know, how you're moving,

Starting point is 01:17:17 they're gonna look at the types of foods you're eating, and then they're gonna look at herbs and based on all those things and your whole life, then that determines what percentibetions and your emotions. That's another thing that they take into account that we don't even consider. Right, right, right. So we just go to the mental health department.

Starting point is 01:17:33 That's right, that's right. That's why I think it's so fascinating and I'm really happy that someone like you is diving into that. Well, the thing is, is that a few years ago, there's a Chinese researcher who won the Nobel Prize for finding the cure for malaria, and it was an old Chinese formula that like, how is she getting a Nobel Prize

Starting point is 01:17:52 for this? It's already been around for thousands of years. That's interesting. That's amazing. I won the prize for reading an old book. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it was more than that, but like still, it's just, I think it was art of miscent or something, something like that.

Starting point is 01:18:06 Do you feel like we're going in the right direction with that or do you think we're getting worse? Do you think we're... I think China is totally, totally losing, losing one of the most valuable things that they've ever contributed towards society by adopting the Western model of medicine. Wow.

Starting point is 01:18:22 Yeah, they are buying up as many antibiotics as they can. They are building clinics just like we have. They are like, people are getting sicker and sicker and they've got far more pollution than we do. And they think that the Western model is someone more valuable. They really value our healthcare model. Because it makes a lot of money. It makes a lot of money.

Starting point is 01:18:40 That's what they value the shit out of it because they put some money in their pockets. Yeah, turns out. So I feel like it needs to be preserved. And I don't think that necessarily everything that they have that's applicable to their culture is necessarily perfectly applicable to Western cultures. But that's because they have different genetics than we do.

Starting point is 01:18:59 And I feel the same way about Ayurvedic, like Doshas. Like I don't actually think that the Ayurvedic nutritional model is necessarily purely translatable to someone with different genetics than that. But I think that there's something that we can learn from every cultural medicine. Yes. That like, I mean like acupuncture, come on, coughing.

Starting point is 01:19:20 Yes, absolutely. I think there's lots of truth in all of those things. And if you look at all of them, you get a much clearer total picture. Well, I think where it gets all muddies because some of the things that we can explain and when someone tries to, that's where you get the counter, right?

Starting point is 01:19:33 It's the language that they use. It's just the same thing I used to fill about talking to somebody who was in the massage therapy or hearing someone talk about cheese. We give names to these things that we're uncertain of that we've been using or being practicing for hundreds or thousands of years. And then you get the Western scientists that come in now,

Starting point is 01:19:50 there's like, oh, that's a made-up word, or we can't measure that or prove that. So we're just gonna disregard it completely. It's like, it's like a acupuncture. I used to have an acupuncture somewhere, Jim, and she would explain like, she and the meridians and how the acupuncture does this, and I'm at first first I was like,

Starting point is 01:20:05 oh, this is such a bullshit. Like what are you talking about Chi and like mystical energy? And then I thought to myself, like, well, there's actually a lot of times where you go to the doctor and you have referred pains, you have pain in one area. And it means that this organ is hurting or something else. And we know these things for sure. Like maybe they're working with the nervous system

Starting point is 01:20:22 with these needles and they're getting the nervous system to communicate, like, they're just using different language. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Totally. And I mean, there's always that quote, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Ooh, I like it. I'm not thinking about the right that though.

Starting point is 01:20:37 Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. Well, that's something I learned in Metzgold, believe it or not. Oh, very cool. Well, as always, it's been freaking awesome. Really excited to have you on our show. It's fun time, guys. Sem, very cool. Well, as always, it's been freaking awesome. Really excited to have you on our show.

Starting point is 01:20:46 It's fun time, guys. Semi-regulally, we can expect you back, right? In a little while. Yeah, you keep on training me and getting to me in the shape, I'll keep coming back. Oh, yeah, I like that deal. Love it. Thank you very much.

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