Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 749: How to Build Muscular & Strong Forearms, Why Women Suffer More from Autoimmune Issues, Excelling in Multiple Sports & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND,MIND first 35 minutes, we do our current events conversation before we get into the fitness questions. We start off by talking about R&B music. Oh, yeah. Oh, we get fresh here in the studio. The studio loves it. Man, I'm just throwing around turvets. I'm just thinking we sound like it even. I'm bringing fresh back dude, I've been saying that.

Starting point is 00:00:39 When does R&B stand for? Fresh. Does anybody know what R&B stands for? I do hear them in blue. I do hear them in blue. There you go. Is it? Yeah, I guess. I do hear them in blue. Rhythm in blue? There you go. Rhythm in blue, is it? Yeah, yes.

Starting point is 00:00:47 Maybe it is rhythm in blue. We talk about Justin's teeth grinding problem and his gut health connection and how he's changed his diet, which has now solved his acid reflex problem, has actually helped quite a bit with his teeth grinding. And the last thing now that he's doing to help fix this problem is take probiotics and he's taking organified probiotics.

Starting point is 00:01:12 It's 50 billion bacteria, beneficial bacteria, the lactobacillus and bifidobacterium. You can go to organifyshop.com, enter the code MindPump and you will get a special MindPump discount on all of their products, including the probiotics. We talk about the brain, how predictive it is. The heart and the gut and how they're all connected. Believe it or not, the gut is the second brain

Starting point is 00:01:37 and the heart is the third brain of your body from a serotonin receptor perspective literally. we talk about the impact of C-sections. We talk about Mark Zuckerberg's testimony before Congress and what a great use of our tax dollars that was. Yeah, we need to use that. And then we talk about how Louisiana just voted to make animal sex or sex with animals.

Starting point is 00:02:02 Too much goat fucking. Illegal. Then we get into the questions. The first question was said by the chicken fucker. Chicken. Yeah. Come on, man, I'm not that nickname to die. How dare you, okay?

Starting point is 00:02:13 How dare you be a chicken? People are gonna bring that back. I'm making a shirt, bro. Stick to chickens. Oh, man. Follow me forever. The first question was, is forearm strength an area that you should dedicate training to,

Starting point is 00:02:24 or do you get plenty of training just by working out with heavy barbells and dumbbells? All 17-year-old boys who skipped that question. Yep, that's it. Right, hand it. The next question was, why do women suffer from autoimmune issues more than men? This is actually true, women suffer, I think three times as high of a rate, of autoimmune issues. And we do have some answers, and we talk about them this episode. The next question was, can you excel in different aspects of fitness that are all very different,

Starting point is 00:02:56 like physique, strength, and endurance? Can you excel at them, or do you just get a little bit of each of them all at the same time? Right. The next question was, Good luck. Dude, did any of us ever experience a time in our life where we felt unqualified or not worthy, besides the entire mind pump career,

Starting point is 00:03:16 we also have other examples. You've always been awesome. Yeah, we talk about, we talk about, like, yes, bad in this episode, we talk about experiences, our. Bad in this episode, we talk about experiences, our personal experiences, in this episode. Also, we talk a lot about different training modalities and how you should switch your training modalities and how maps, programs, or design around specific forms of adaptation. We have something called the Super Bundle.

Starting point is 00:03:40 It's one year of exercise programming. It's several maps, programs connected and put together in discounted it, something like 30% off. Well, this month we are going to give away the NoBS 6-pack formula. That's a program just for your core and abs for free with any bundle, which includes the Super Bundle. So we have the sexy athlete bundle, we have the build your butt bundle, we have the Super Bundle, and we have the RGB bundle. You can look up all those programs at mindpumpmedia.com, find out what's in them. Again, multiple programs put together and discounted. Or you can enroll in our individual maps programs. For example, if you want

Starting point is 00:04:19 maximum strength and muscle, that's maps and a ball. If you want to look like a competitor on stage, physique, bodybuilder, or bikini competitor, that's maps aesthetic. If you want functional athletic performance, that's maps performance. If you want to be able to work out without equipment at home or on the road, that's maps anywhere, or if you want correctional exercise,

Starting point is 00:04:40 or if you're a personal trainer and you want more tools to use with your clients to bring more value to your business, that's Maps Prime and Prime Pro. Find out more about these programs at mindpumpmedia.com. It's Friday night. Everybody feel all right. Can you please throw in some more of me every now and then like that? Yeah, shit, you know what's funny?

Starting point is 00:05:03 I've been listening to old school hip hop quite a bit lately. Yeah, my oldest is all into it now. Yeah, you know, it got you as in the sauna when we were blasting some stuff. Sound it was. Yeah, dude. That was one of my,

Starting point is 00:05:16 that's my high school playlist. What got you thinking of slow jams was the time in the sauna without them? Oh, yeah. You were there, too. Don't I know you weren't there. I never liked R&B. Really? No. I'm gonna tell Taylor that I like Motel. Yeah. I like RMB that Taylor's license plate says 90s RMB. Yeah. He's all into it. It actually says that.

Starting point is 00:05:35 You didn't know that all this time. It will next time you go out and like look at the parking lot today. When do you actually listen to other than when you're trying to get some? You know what I mean? I can get into some, I can get into some Drake that I can just listen to. I like Motown, but not so when I was a kid now the first, one of the first girlfriends I had, well like serious girlfriends, you know, you actually make out with and, you know, is that what constitutes a serious relationship? Yeah, I had girlfriend in that. I did that like in the club.

Starting point is 00:06:01 That was an opportunity. No, I think what constitutes a relationship now is your status on Facebook. Okay. Okay. So she would have been my girlfriend. I would have said it. In a relationship. Yeah, Facebook would have said it.

Starting point is 00:06:13 And so her, she was, there was this funny thing about her where, because you remember, can still me think, I was a freshman. How old are you when you're a freshman? 14? Yeah, you gotta be 14. So 13. Yeah, 14, 15.

Starting point is 00:06:26 Yeah, so I'm like 14, 15 years old and R&B music, 100% made a horny. One, like, to the point where it was this thing, where if I put it on, she'd be like, oh my god, don't put that on, you know what happened? Wow, that actually worked, I don't know. Yeah, so that's the only, I actually think that's more common than you think.

Starting point is 00:06:42 I think that's what's made it so popular here. Yeah. Yeah, I think the guys singing's made it so popular here. Yeah. I think the guys singing it put that together, you know? Like, who's the big R&B hero of the day? Of that time? Who are the guys? R&B, Genuines, Genuines. Genuines, get on it, ride it.

Starting point is 00:07:00 Get to it, come on. What was that one group that they end of the road? Oh, boys have been. There you go. Yeah, boys, boys and boys and black street. Yeah, sure, it could fall into it. Oh, I like, okay, I guess I did like R&B. Yeah, 90.

Starting point is 00:07:15 I mean, that's Taylor's jamming. Everyone's gonna all catch him, jammed all that stuff. Yeah, not me. So bro, you're barely born around a time. I know what's wrong. Yeah, right. So it's kind of weird. He's in that like time capsule that we have.

Starting point is 00:07:26 Mysterio is so strange. Cheers. That's your strength. That's our boy. Just in how's your face? Besides dancing. How's your face? That doesn't hurt anymore?

Starting point is 00:07:33 You know a little bit, like so I've been. Is it better? It's better. Well, yeah, it's progressively getting better. I think, I don't know, I'm trying to work through some issues. I've, I've been mentioning to you like, like I've been having this teeth grinding thing since forever, so I've addressed some issues as far as like gurd and like the heartburn aspect of it

Starting point is 00:07:52 since like January. Pretty much eliminated. You don't think it was your co-cabit at all? Well, the co-cabit, I have to keep. So that so keeps me up for the show. So it's to Pepsi. Yeah. So yeah, so I've been like diving back deep into that

Starting point is 00:08:06 and then you did some research and kind of told me, like, hey dude, you know, this might be gut related, this might be more there with the teeth grinding, there might be more stuff to look into is the sleep apnea, like all these different things like might be contributors and so. Even sleep apnea has some functional medicine doctors will say is connected to gut health as well.

Starting point is 00:08:28 Right, so. You're not like a, you're not a big overweight guy, right? Because that can definitely contribute. Thank you for finally saying that. She's like, I'm always the fat guy in the show. That's the first time. Like you made a compliment. You're not the fat guy.

Starting point is 00:08:41 You're the the fattest guy on the show. Yeah, I mean, but you're not the fat guy. Well, I know, I know fat. Well, I'll own that all day. You're just like, I'm the chub. I'm the chubs. And the chubs, the anchors, the chubs. Shut up, dude.

Starting point is 00:08:55 You know what I mean? The majority of you are, as you're rocking your anchor hat. Yeah, man, I'm the anchor chub. The majority of our female fans, like you most, say true. They do, it's true. This is a true story. I'm just a hugable. 100%. Unless you don't shower or wear deodorant

Starting point is 00:09:07 then you're after sal. Yeah. Well, the weird things I don't really smell. Don't make fun of my fans like that Adam. Yeah. Those are my fans. Yeah, I'm the silver fox. They don't shave.

Starting point is 00:09:17 So anyway, don't shave. So, so yeah, so I'm actually, I'm trying to take this one on, this more seriously now, like I did with the heartburnin. So a couple, a couple of things that I've been doing. One of them is definitely, I've been adding, you know, some, what are they called again? God, I just, I don't know, supplements, are you taking probiotics or something?

Starting point is 00:09:42 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, are you saying it's a... Organifies probiotics? Yeah. Okay, he's a dude. you saying it? Are you saying it? Oh, you're saying it's a probiotics? Yeah. Okay, he's saying it's a worse commercial I've ever heard of in my life right there. He's like, hey guys, don't worry.

Starting point is 00:09:52 I got the commercial today because I got a story to tell about some of the product I'm using. What's that product? What's that product called? I was like eating bacon and that's all I could think about is bacon. This whole place is just filled with bacon smoke. I'm like, oh, bacon. What was it called again? Probiotics.

Starting point is 00:10:09 All right. Organifies gonna be hell of piss. I guess it's commercial suck lately. No, I'll joking aside. How often are you taking it? No, so I'm taking it twice a day. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to, it's 50 billion.

Starting point is 00:10:24 Oh shit, you're taking it. I think it's 50 billion. If I'm not making it. That's a lot, yeah. It's a decent, it I'm trying to, I'm trying to, it's a shit, you're thinking it's 50 billion. If I'm not making it. That's a lot, yeah. It's a decent, it's a decent amount. Well, it's a decent amount. I've never done that before. So I take 100 billion a day when I'm taking probiotics. Sounds like crazy.

Starting point is 00:10:34 I know, it's like such an astronomical number. Yeah. Dude, they make them in the, they make them in the, I take six million. I take 650 million, that's about where I stay. It's a six hundred percent. Six trillion. I'm working my way up to six trillion. They sell probiotics that come, I think now,, 6 trillion. I'm working my about to 6 trillion.

Starting point is 00:10:45 They sell probiotics that come, I think now, trillion. They'll say like a trillion back to you. Are you serious? Yeah, which I don't know. Sounds aggressive. Yeah, what point is it too much? Well, that's the thing, too. You don't want the overgrowth, right?

Starting point is 00:10:56 So I don't want to go crazy with this. Well, I, too much will probably give you bad effects. I depends on the individual, but you know what I'm saying? It reminds me of the weight gainer wars back in the day, where weight gainer 1000 back in the day. You know, weight gain or 1000. Now I mine's 2000. Now mine's 5000.

Starting point is 00:11:08 I'm pretty sure more isn't always better with pro-life. Also anyway, like I've been eliminating gluten and all grains pretty much in general. Which is already cured, it's been huge. Do you think about that for a second? Let's stop for a second. You suffered from gourd for a a long time like my whole life and you were taking Where'd you take a prescription? Mm-hmm Pepsid AC or I forget what the prescription is like next year or something like that

Starting point is 00:11:36 When did you start that at what point in your life? Later like after college When it started to kind of creep up was that when you were working for me and you had to go because of the speed section? Yeah, yes. No, I remember that. I remember that as I remember. I was having a bunch of issues. I remember you had to take some time off

Starting point is 00:11:52 of working everything. Adam, Adam, give me some of the proper tumour. Yeah, I actually developed a tumour on my phone. It's not a tumour. It's a tumour, I don't give you any sense. Yeah, you know, it's a- Remove it. It's an interesting situation to give to somebody.

Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah, I know. I remember when you it's one it's one it's an interesting situation. Yeah, I remember when you first Thanks for not the give me crabs. It's not an essay. I Remember when you were you would talk about your acid reflex and you talk about how you had to take you know these prescription meds and You know, I know that it's it's probably related to food intolerances But it's so hard to see when you're in it because these are foods you've always eaten. Yeah. You know what I mean? What was it that finally made you? Was it because I know I kept sending you articles? Yeah, well I kept sending. I'm kind of stubborn, you know, I mean I like to find things on my own and so I kept sending them articles. You know, you know, it's not sour in my soul. It's not just plant seeds constantly. Oh, you know, he reminds me of my mother, dude.

Starting point is 00:12:42 It's like a passive aggressive way of nurture Right. No, I mean like my mom is like my mom says we like Bible verses, right? Like what she thinks it's the things I'm sending a lot in my life So I get like these Bible verses like she's you may as well just say it mom What you want to say you I'm saying send it through a Bible verse It's too 12 battle. Yeah, so sounds the same thing but only with like health science Well, no, what like the ones that I'll be complaining about so they go like, I had eggs, this to that, then I'll just start getting these

Starting point is 00:13:07 fucking articles over for. Well, the one that I think that did it for Justin was, I started reading science up showing how the medications he was taking could contribute to dementia. Later on. No, you're right. That's exactly when it triggered, like I was like, what? And that's why I started to get serious about it

Starting point is 00:13:24 because I've visibly have seen my grandma in her state, where it's just, I mean, once she got all-timer symptoms, it happened really quickly, and then I started thinking about dimension, and then I've talked to my mom about it too, because I wanted to make sure she's making all the right moves to prevent it too, because it's in our genes. So I was like, wow.

Starting point is 00:13:50 And then Max Lugovir and his story, and I've just been meeting these people that in the family, they've just mentioned how quickly and how rapidly this happens, and how you've had it way before you even know that there's any symptoms involved with. So anyway, it's scared the shit out of me. And I was like, I gotta tackle this one and do something about it and really be diligent with it. So.

Starting point is 00:14:15 And it's making a difference. Big time. Yeah. So what's your thoughts on the way I use it right now? Cause I don't take it daily. I just kinda, I take it when I eat something and I feel like when I told you before, I go off the grid. If I'm off the grid, that's, I have it. Other eat something and I feel like when I told you before, I go off the grid.

Starting point is 00:14:25 If I'm off the grid, that's, I have it. Other than that, I don't. You know the problem with probiotics and the problem with this kind of therapy is we know that the lactobacillus and the bifidobacterium are beneficial, but we don't know much else. Like we don't know a whole lot. We know that when people take them,

Starting point is 00:14:43 they have less digestive issues. They't have better gut health less inflammation But it's I mean, it's hard to explain just how complicated this entire system is the amount of information we know now We're not even scratching the surface what we're gonna learn in the next 10 to 20 years about our gut and how it's how Connected it is our entire health health and how much it influences our thoughts and our actions and behaviors and all this stuff. I think it's gonna blow people away. I mean, think about it this way. Your immune system, which is largely comprised

Starting point is 00:15:14 of your microbiome, this bacteria that are in your gut, which help you digest food, help your body, fight often, infection, create the majority of your neurotransmitters, help produce, you know, things that help your body, fight often, infection, create the majority of your neurotransmitters, help produce, you know, things that help your body produce hormones, like all these different things. That system right there is older than your brain in terms of evolution.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Like that whole system has existed for longer than your brain and are your human cells are outnumbered by two to one or maybe some scientists say 10 to one. So you're walking around and you're more bacteria than you are human and it's older than you and the bacteria's been around longer than you. I think it influences us way more than we could even imagine.

Starting point is 00:15:59 I think it influences most diseases and most behaviors and most of the things that we feel and think. Well, it's interesting. It feels like a little garden inside where you want to get rid of the weeds, you want to get rid of the problematic types of bacteria and then introduce more of the ones that are beneficial. I've been eliminating a lot and making sure that I'm not putting in the wrong foods and then now starting to introduce a new environment. What some scientists think is that you're not necessarily populating your gut with these bacteria because there's some debate as to whether or not it actually survives and is

Starting point is 00:16:38 able to stay in your gut rather than just getting passed out. Well, a lot of scientists think is that these particular bacteria just prevent the overgrowth of other bacteria or may bring out. Now, that's what I thought, and that was kind of the thought process and the strategy behind what I was thinking by, okay, if I'm in taking something that's probably not ideal for my gut, I'm gonna try and counter it a little bit.

Starting point is 00:17:00 And so far, it's been a pretty good strategy for me. I've had a lot of success with this, where foods where I go, I'm gonna eat it, and I know like, ah, this is not ideal, maybe I'm gonna have, maybe I'm gonna have a birthday, I'm gonna have some cake and ice cream or something like that. And I know that because I'm not used to eating that on a regular basis, like, it'll upset my stomach,

Starting point is 00:17:16 so all sorts of contains. Yeah, and it, and again, this is anecdotal, this is my experience, how I've been using it ever since, because I wasn't somebody who'd run out and go buy a probiotic, because I didn't think I had issues like that. But I have noticed, as I've gotten older, that I'm more sensitive to these foods

Starting point is 00:17:34 that I was able to get away with when I was in my 20s. And I thought, you know what? And we had them, obviously we have tons of organifi stuff laying around our house and our studio now. I thought, fuck it, I've never really messed with this and seen if it will help me. And I noticed a big difference. And now I've been paying attention to it.

Starting point is 00:17:49 And now I keep wanting, I literally have one by my bed and then I have one downstairs in the kitchen. So in case I forget, like, oh, I go to bed and like, oh shit, we just had that burger before. I'm like, I gotta make sure I have one of these. And I swear, dude, it's made a big difference for me. Yeah, I mean, the part that trips me out the most with gut health, and in particular, the microbiome,

Starting point is 00:18:07 which makes it a large part of that, is how it influences your behaviors. So like it can control your, or influence your libido, it can influence your energy, it can influence your cravings. And if you think about it, obviously, it's this huge, when I say huge, again, more than human cells in your gut and on your body, and they will

Starting point is 00:18:28 influence you to seek out foods that may then feed them. So you may find yourself craving more sugar, more fat, more protein. You may find that you're just eating more than you normally do because they're influencing, they want to feed themselves. It's like an evolutionary protection mechanism or them. they're almost thinking to take care of themselves. And then the other side of that, the flip side of that is your thoughts also probably influence your internal microbiome as well.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Because I can imagine, and I'm pretty sure I can find studies to support that there may be a link there, but I can't imagine that's something that didn't evolve with us for that long and that's existed longer than we have, that it doesn't have some kind of a connection to our state of mind and then prepare itself with what that may cause or create. I tell me one person that's never had this before where you just got devastating news or something tragic or something crazy happened and you feel that.

Starting point is 00:19:23 Oh, for sure. To the point where I know people have thrown up from it, feel super nauseous from it. It's, there's something there for sure. And that's not like one or two people have said that. I mean, everybody I know can relate like, oh, there's been a time where I've received such crazy news that my gut hurts. It's doubled over. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:41 Your gut has the second highest concentration of neurotransmitter receptors like serotonin receptors in the body, so it's the second brain. And the third part, you know, the third part of the body that has the highest concentration and my guys, guys, the heart. So your heart, your gut and your brain, they make up the majority of these receptors that serotonin attached to and What's trips me out is for how long have we said things like I feel it in my god feel or listen to your heart Or I feel in my heart or lead with your heart or so think about that for a second now we know our brain

Starting point is 00:20:18 It contains an incredible amount of stored information Most of which we're not conscious of. That makes up the subconscious. Most of the stuff that we're conscious of, it's such a small fraction of everything that's happening, our decision making all that stuff. It's very, very small. Most of the stuff that's happening is kind of in the background that we're not made conscious of.

Starting point is 00:20:35 Bro, it's, and I'm more. 98% right. 98% of what's, your brain is downloading and processing 98% of the information that's in front of your eyes, and you're only really catching it, holding on to 2% and conscious of it. And we're only aware of the conscious decisions we make. We're not aware of the subconscious decisions, which are based off of this subconscious or this information that our brain has, that we're not aware of, right? It's like a predictive algorithm.

Starting point is 00:21:04 So you can't tell me that that subconscious part of our brain isn't communicating with our gut and with our heart and that those things are not, help are part of the conversation and that we're not feeling things in our gut or we're not feeling things certain way. And that's not just a feeling out of nowhere or magic. It's based off of information

Starting point is 00:21:24 that's being stored in the subconscious. You know what I'm saying? That's why sometimes you ever walk into a room and you're like, doesn't feel right or I don't like something about that guy or whatever. It's what's crazy. It could be a number of factor of things, right?

Starting point is 00:21:36 It could be like a scent that gives it off. It could be like just the energy, the static, you know, energy in the air. And you know, it could be just, I don't know. Well, part of that is the way the brain operates too, is like our brain is also predictive. So let's say for example, you bring it up the example of walking in a room and feeling like,

Starting point is 00:21:54 it's just a bad energy, I don't like it. Well, you're right, there's certain things that could set that off. Like you may see a person that, by language, yeah, a person or body language or a location or an event that reminds you of something else that has previously happened in your life that didn't go well. That was that was information. Yeah, it was traumatic. It scarred you

Starting point is 00:22:13 a certain way. You got into a fight or disagreement and that's so and it could be subconsciously buried way back there but that gets resurfaced. The brain becomes predictable again. And you're like, oh, I know. this goes. And because it's subconscious, you're not necessarily aware of what's going on, but you feel it. And so we come up with words like, the energy isn't good in here. And it sounds all esoteric. And in spiritual, when in reality,

Starting point is 00:22:36 it's just your brain is dead about a trillion calculations and is now giving you a signal. Imagine if you had a computer in your brain, you walked in a room and the computer talked to you and said, okay, we just did about a bunch of calculations and you need to be on guard. You'd be like, okay, I'll listen to you, you know, super computer. Well, that's what's happening, right?

Starting point is 00:22:54 But you feel it in your gut or you feel it in your heart and you're like, why do I feel? We've met people like this through podcasting where after we leave, we're like, you know, that person was nice or whatever, but I just didn't get a good vibe. Like, something about that person, I don't like, you should trust that sometimes

Starting point is 00:23:08 because that's coming from information from your brain. Is it always right? I don't know. No, a lot of times, it's not. This is why we kind of glazed over this the other day when we talked about the whole thing with cops and I feel so bad for them because imagine being that, if we understand that our brain works that way,

Starting point is 00:23:23 that it just starts to download all this information that it's constantly seeing, and then it also works in a predictive manner. So imagine being a cop who's constantly around criminals, constantly around people that are doing bad things. Then when you see somebody, you're automatic assumption whether you try or not, they've already started to forge that in the brain that, you know, be on alert like this person could attack you, this person could attack you, this person could hurt you,

Starting point is 00:23:46 because somebody who I've seen just like this in this situation, three, four, five, six, 10 other times in my career, it's gone bad. And so their predictive brain is already telling them to be alert. So now that I feel behaving in ways, that's why I feel so sorry for them, because then they are,

Starting point is 00:24:02 and then it blows up in their face when it doesn't go well, you know? Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but there was one study I read a while ago where they had women go in an FMRI machine, which is an MRI machine that you can see in real time. And they were showing like, you know, blood flow patterns in the brain,

Starting point is 00:24:18 which kind of tells us like, oh, this part of the brain's activated right now, and this one's activated right now, whatever. And they had women go in, and they were, I don't remember what it was, they were having them think about something, or they ask them questions,

Starting point is 00:24:28 and then they had to meet yogurt with bacteria in it. So like fermented yogurt, regular, real yogurt. Then they had them do the FMRI machine again, and the patterns changed, enough for them to see it on the FMRI machine. Everything else was the same. It was literally the bacteria that was now in their gut, was changing how the brain was processing things.

Starting point is 00:24:50 So it's fucking... Well, think about that too, like how many times, I mean, when I don't feel good and I'm sick, I'm also a grouchy fuck to be right. Right? I'm 100% connected for me anxiety and my, like, if I'm irritable and if I'm not a sharp With my gut health when my gut is on I feel like I'm unstoppable when it's off

Starting point is 00:25:09 I notice I'm not as sharp I get more anxious and I've done it's enough times now to make that connection because I keep thinking to myself Like am I just thinking that or is that is that a coincidence and no sure enough and probiotics for me at least When I'm feeling kind of off, it's like, and I don't think it's a cure, I feel like it's a really good band-aid. Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's a cure though. I mean, your diet has to be good.

Starting point is 00:25:31 You have to have low inflammation. If the foods you're not intolerant to, you know, and all that stuff. But if you're, if it can be a part of, you know, a protocol that helps, and now can you find any of this stuff naturally, or do you have to get it like this? But fiddle and lactobacterium, I believe,

Starting point is 00:25:46 I know lactobroes in the lactobacillus ones grow in fermented dairy. Yeah. Bifidol, I'm not quite sure. So this could be even more important than for somebody who's a non-dairy eater, right? Or just you don't eat any fermented foods. Or that too.

Starting point is 00:26:00 Which most people don't eat anymore. Right. Nobody has fermented food. Do you guys eat fermented foods? I try occasionally. I mean, really just kombucha is like, I'll drink it. That's me too. I prefer that over, yeah, like sauerkraut and stuff like that. I can't have any dairy, so I have no dairy.

Starting point is 00:26:13 Do you guys do whatever I do? Yeah, I do. Okay. Just, I'm not a lot though. I don't have yogurt very often. You do the gogurt? Yeah, in the gogurt. We do, we do gogurt.

Starting point is 00:26:21 We do Greek yogurt. We do occasional cottage cheese. I don't really mess with milk. But fermented though. It has to be fermented otherwise. It's just regular milk. It doesn't have it. No, that's true. No, that's true.

Starting point is 00:26:31 I know I don't get a lot of it and I drink kombucha occasionally like that. But this is kind of how I, I mean, I tend to try and follow like this. Okay, my, you know, quote unquote, eating clean. And then when I'm off, if I'm at all off the grid, this is what I'll do. It's all you've done. I recognize that and I think that's why this is what I'll do, is all you've done. Right, and recognize that. And I think that's why this is a good thing, to implement it as far as having that in the diet too.

Starting point is 00:26:51 I can supplement it that way. It's pretty well established now that these two bacteria's or strains are beneficial. And I know when you're in the hospital now, even some hospitals will, if you have like intravenous antibiotics, or if they're putting on a really powerful protocol, they'll prescribe you lactobacillus now. And so it wasn't like this not that long ago.

Starting point is 00:27:12 So they see the benefit because they notice that it lowers risk of CDIF, which is this really deadly, dangerous bacterial overgrowth that people will get in the hospital, especially when they're with a weak immune system or when they're all on lots of antibiotic. See, this goes back to what we were just talking about on the last podcast was that this is why I would love to make this guide is if you're somebody who never eats fermented foods and so like that.

Starting point is 00:27:34 This is something that you might want to look into as a possibility because again, we always talk on this show about, we're always pro getting it through whole foods first. I mean, that is always ideal, but there's gonna be some people that just don't eat fermented foods ever. And I just read an article that talked about how there's this compound in women's breast milk that not all women

Starting point is 00:27:54 produce or in the same amounts, that then dictates the type of bacteria that the baby will have also in their gut. And they found that if this compound was low, then they had less diversity. And if it was high, they had more diversity. And so much of it is connected to your mom. So much of your gut, and what initially colonizes your gut is dependent on your mother.

Starting point is 00:28:17 And what's happening is bacterial diversity, as long, at least as how we measure it. Because again, we don't know a whole lot about it yet, is becoming less and less diverse through the generations, because people are taking antibiotics, they become less diverse than they have children, less to pass on, then those people grow up, same thing, less to pass on,

Starting point is 00:28:39 which may be why it's taken a few generations for us to start seeing all these. I've actually heard too, and this isn't like back to your gut related, but with pregnancy like over time that actually like the hip width and has been affected because of science now. So we've been able to birth, you know, C section, and this is actually kind of like turning into like, it's changing women's hips. It's just changing the like the ratio, I guess,

Starting point is 00:29:13 of, well, I think what's happening. The population. Yeah, I think what might be happening is that, we're really doing enough C-sections to cause that to happen. Apparently, you know how many C-sections happen in the Western society? I don't. I don't know that I haven't,

Starting point is 00:29:25 that's not one of my standards. Oh, it's, like Courtney told me this. So I don't know. Maybe single Adam, the Leo is not like around Bego. Like, you know what I wonder how many C-section is really? Maybe you can look up what percentage of births in the US or C-section, but it's a sizable percentage. In some hospitals, it's a majority, or they do them.

Starting point is 00:29:43 Oh wow, so you're saying 50% or more? Yeah, in some hospitals, because what happens is when you go in, they want you in and out, obviously you go in, oh I'm in labor, they'll time, they'll look at your, your dilat, oh it's not happening fast enough, give them potosin, which is a warm up. I asked my best friend, did his girl just did?

Starting point is 00:29:59 Yep, she had a C-section, yep. Then they'll give you, wow, look at that. 32.7%. Yeah that 32.7% yeah 32.7% and that was in 2013 Yeah, that's a very that's well above the medically necessary target of 10 to 15% three times more Yeah, and so what's probably happening? I watched a whole documentary on this and I did some more research Is that women are going in they're in labor? They check to see you know see how quickly they're progressing.

Starting point is 00:30:28 Wait, you're describing that? Yeah, exactly, well. You're not moving fast enough, we need to give you Potosin. Potosin will speed up the process. Potosin is acting like oxy-tosin, I think, in the body, so it's mimicking that, except it doesn't have the same exact effects.

Starting point is 00:30:41 Now you have stronger hearted contractions. Now you're in way more pain. Potosin stronger hearted contractions. Contractions. Now you're in way more pain. Potosan makes it way more painful. Now you're like, I want drugs. I want to be on epidural. And because this is hurting so bad. Then they put you on an epidural, which now you're on your back.

Starting point is 00:30:57 You're incapacitated. Your legs are up. Terrible position to have a baby. One of the worst. Very hard to push. One of the worst. You want to be able to squat or sit up because that uses gravity. So now you're on your back. So now your legs are up. You've got

Starting point is 00:31:10 Patocin making it more painful. So now you've got this drug that's putting you on your back. You can't push as effectively. Now the risk that you're not able to get this baby out on your own has increased tremendously. Now they're like, oh, baby's in distress, it's not happening, we need to go do a C-section. And so it's like this series of events that leads to more C-sections, and then C-sections themselves, they're now showing children that are born to C-sections, less diverse microbiome

Starting point is 00:31:38 because they're not going through the birth canal. It reduces the bonding that mothers can have with, or at least it reduces the, or increases the risk of having bonding issues because oxytocin's not being produced, which is that bonding, you know, chemical, which is a lot so far, the breast feeding is also. Yeah, and the baby gets with them up.

Starting point is 00:31:53 They don't latch on as easily and all that stuff. So, and you know what happens, it's become politicized. Like if you start talking about this, then you have like women who've had C-sections get real defensive. Oh, you know, don't talk about how I did, you know, this is my baby or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, you know, don't talk about how I did, you know, this is my baby or whatever.

Starting point is 00:32:06 Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't even touch that with my buddy. I was just like, oh, okay, you guys do it. Yeah, yeah, I don't even, you can have that. No, dude, I watched. That's a tough one. There was one weekend where me and Jessica watched this documentary and I was so blown away by it.

Starting point is 00:32:18 And so then, you know, I watched more information. And then you see births that are natural with like a midwife and way different. Oh, yeah. Way different experience. My heart, yeah. It's crazy. It doesn't, not like this emergency like crazy situation,

Starting point is 00:32:34 like it is when you rush into the hospital. That's how Mike had his kids, right? Matthews? Well, I think so. Yeah, both, he told me. Did you say that? Yeah, I'm in fact, I believe that he even, I believe the second kid, he flew him and his wife

Starting point is 00:32:46 to the first midwife because it went. Oh really? Because it went so well. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's cool. It's cool. It's cool.

Starting point is 00:32:55 It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool.

Starting point is 00:33:03 It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. whole pendulum swinging thing It's like one of those things where it's like oh, we found out we've learned to be able to save these save the baby Save the mom and then we went to an extreme to where we started doing it so much to where it became more of like a convenience Yeah, that's easy right right. We don't want anybody to be in pain and discomfort. Right. So what yeah, it's crazy It's part of the process anyways. You guys see the Facebook thing going on you mark Yeah, so what I didn't watch it did you watch an announcement that you know, so he he was It's part of the process. Anyways, you guys see the Facebook thing going on in your mark? Is that what? Yeah, so what?

Starting point is 00:33:26 I didn't watch it. Did you watch it announcement that you know? No, so he was, he had to testify in front of Congress about Facebook. So shit. What a waste of tax money. Come on now. For reals, we're gonna spend money on Paul.

Starting point is 00:33:38 You know what it is? Okay, so here's what it is. It's scary, bro. That's what it is. Here's what happened. They had, there was a company that created this app that then was able to collect everybody's data from Facebook and then use it to market to them, to sway the campaign or whatever. So there may be some, some, you know, breaches of agreement there.

Starting point is 00:33:59 So that's fine. We definitely don't need Congress doing a whole freaking, you know, investigation and having Mark Zuckerberg testify. What I think it is, Facebook is powerful. They're big politicians. They don't like anybody feeling stronger than they are. They assert themselves. It's inflexing on them for sure.

Starting point is 00:34:17 You should have seen the questions they were asking almost like. You had the Republican, you know, you know, Congressman grilling him about censoring or being biased with Facebook and censoring conservative pages, which is probably happening, but you know what? It's a fucking private company, you dumb shit. Like he can do whatever he wants, you don't like it, get off, get off Facebook. Then you had other congressmen who are trying to insinuate

Starting point is 00:34:40 or say that Facebook is a monopoly. You know what I'm saying? A monopoly, what? Social media? Yeah. When they came on the scene, my space was massive. Right.

Starting point is 00:34:51 It's so crazy. It's so insane that what they're trying to, who cares? Now a Facebook is breaking the law and all that stuff and they have evidence of that, I can see that. But I think what it is is they want what they're trying to do is they're trying to politicize this to try to make the case that Facebook Facebook the Republicans are trying to say Facebook is

Starting point is 00:35:07 unfair to liberals because or excuse me unfair to conservatives because they're censoring things and that's not good and then the liberals are trying to say Facebook swayed the election in favor of Donald Trump because of their information that they know on people and that's where everybody eats Facebook. And you know why they want that to happen? So that people are okay when the government steps in and regulates all social media. And for our safety, the reality is they- They're setting the table right now.

Starting point is 00:35:36 They are dude, because they already own the old media. Like, old media, is anybody gonna argue that old media is not owned by a government? Let's be honest, like, all you gotta do is tune into Fox and then tune into MSNBC. Or CNN. And they'll talk about, or CNN, they'll talk about the exact same topic or subject from two completely different angles and ends. And they'll present their own evidence and everything.

Starting point is 00:35:58 You're like, whoa, obviously this one's owned by the Republicans. Obviously this one's owned by the Democrats. This is complete bullshit. So that's old media. They don't own new media yet, but they're trying to. They're trying to get their hands on it because- That's when they had those, you do that big thing on front of everybody and then you call Mark in behind closed doors with no cameras.

Starting point is 00:36:16 You say, hey listen, you see how this went, right? We can make this really fucked up for you or you can let our hands in the cookie jar. Exactly. Exactly that shit goes down exactly they did the same with the shakedown with the apple Tim Cook and all that's trying to get information remember they said they're who's like holding out from getting terrorists because you know they wouldn't they wouldn't access to everybody's phones yeah no it's it makes me so angry because fuck you they see you know here's the game by the way here's the game that they'll play they'll play the game where it's, it makes me so angry because fuck you. They see, you know, here's the game, by the way, here's the game that they'll play.

Starting point is 00:36:45 They'll play the game where it's like, we're doing it for, first of all, see that there's something powerful that they're not in control of. Then what they'll do because, you know, obviously we're a consumer driven economy and we do vote for certain things, they'll see, they'll say, okay, this is dangerous,

Starting point is 00:37:03 we need to be safe so that people then will vote to have more regulations. So we're asking for that kind of control. Otherwise, if they just jumped in, people would be against it. But this way, they can demonize the whole thing and then make it like they're trying to save our assets. Yeah, captain, save it. No, it's absolutely stupid.

Starting point is 00:37:22 Leave him alone, leave Facebook alone, leave Teckelon. Anyway, another article I read yesterday. Here's a good one. I read this and I thought, is this real? If it's real, this is gonna be crazy. So Louisiana just voted, their Senate just voted on a bill to ban sex with animals. So bestiality is now illegal in Louisiana. Nothing's shocking there, right? Yeah, nothing's shocking there. The vote was 25 to 10.

Starting point is 00:37:52 So, uh, I always know how Matt Vincent feels about that. So 10, 10 people voted for pro pro what? Pro fucker chickens. I mean, Justin is a chicken fucker. What? Pro fucker chickens. I mean Justin is a chicken fucker. That's what I am. Justin is the chicken fucker. It must be true. What's the, what's, what was the reason for voting against that?

Starting point is 00:38:11 Pro. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? It's like those commercials like four out of, you know, four out of five dentists says it. Who's that one asshole that's always against me? How do you police this? That's the question.

Starting point is 00:38:24 What I want to know. Like, you're noises over there. Right, right, you're a dog. Yeah, excuse me, sir. Like, how do you even... Somebody's smuggling a dog. How do you even catch somebody? I mean, I guess maybe you put that those laws in place.

Starting point is 00:38:36 So if you do catch them. Well, it's probably to stop people making videos and actually putting it out there, right? So it's probably people... Oh, good luck on the internet. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And you're doing it at a Louisiana,

Starting point is 00:38:47 all I have to do is go a state over and I can get away with fucking my chickens. It's like, it is an hilarious. Isn't that hilarious? That doesn't even work. Yeah, I don't even know how that. You're the master, though. Tell us.

Starting point is 00:38:57 That's all your well-behaved chickens now. Yeah, I thought, say, I get to put them in their place. Yeah, so New Orleans Senator JP Moral says it's important to have to, that the state has a way to arrest someone For having sex with animals. Yeah, they were apparently worried about this. I guess it came up enough time Yeah, yeah, people got busted doing it I wonder if like cops have just been on the beaten and they just like stop in and think it's like a domestic dispute But it's like we heard some screaming

Starting point is 00:39:24 That's like the new like low man on the totem pole for like cops. You don't say like, I think it's like being a bike cop is like the worst thing right now, right? How's that work? Like if you're a beat cop, like there's all these levels, like you don't want to be put on. You're the new guys, so that you get the phone call.

Starting point is 00:39:37 You get it, you get it, you get it. Oh man, another one's fucking a goat. Yeah, you get that one. We got it. We got a complaint from the farmer, John. Yeah, a state, we need to go over there and bust him. He's poor goats. We got to do something. Let's create a lot Yeah, yeah, oh god bird. Please save us This quas brought to you by organify

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Starting point is 00:40:31 That's an interesting question. Yeah, you know, it's... It's tense, yeah, it's becoming both, really. It's becoming, it's becoming issue, weak hand strength and grip, has become an issue in gyms, like the last, I don't know, wrist straps, how long have people been using wrist straps?

Starting point is 00:40:48 Yeah, how long has that been around? Like, how long has that been popped over? Definitely been around since I've been left in like, I remember. 90s bodybuilders, I think, made a popover. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting because your hands, I mean, you're, you evolved to have extremely strong hands, all of us did, all humans did. I mean, that's what connects you to the world.

Starting point is 00:41:06 So literally speaking from an evolutionary standpoint, if you couldn't hold something, then you couldn't lift it, regardless of how strong your back and your legs and your shoulders were, if you couldn't grip it, it didn't matter. And we did, we are evolved from primates and primates all typically, you know, have very, very strong hands and can, you know, have very, very strong hands and can, you know, swing from trees and all that. And although we don't swing from trees anymore, we don't have those types of hands. Our hands are meant to be extremely strong.

Starting point is 00:41:33 I just think that they're weak in people in a similar but not as bad away as people's feet. Because every day life, how often do you involve like your grip strength in every day life now, you know in modern times Like you never you never do less. Yeah, unless you're in construction or like you ever shake a construction workers hand Oh, yeah, it's always a whole it's like another animal like they've just got this very strong hands very media Hands always grabbing twisting, you know like screwing things in or picking up, you know, heavy-ass shit all day swinging a hammer or whatever So you know if you-ass shit all day, swinging a hammer or whatever. So, you know, if you're working out in the gym,

Starting point is 00:42:08 I think it's better to not use wrist straps as much as possible early on, especially to develop that kind of grip strength. Otherwise, you'll always have this kind of imbalance where, you know, you're back and your legs and everything else is stronger than your ability to hold onto and grip things. And it's hard to catch up. It's harder to play catch up. If you've been lifting for 10 years, and now you decide and you want your hands to catch up, because I know for me this took,

Starting point is 00:42:37 this took like four years. Up until maybe about five or six, maybe five or six years ago, I would use wrist straps on certain lifts. And then I started getting rid of them and just focusing on trying to hold onto the bar when I would deadlift. And it took me a while. At first I couldn't even grab on, I couldn't hold onto a bar,

Starting point is 00:42:57 and then I could hold on to heavy deadlifts with an alternate grip. And now I'm down to a hook grip and I can pretty much hold onto whatever I want that way, or at least whatever I can, I can lift my back and lift. As a result of that, now, alternate grip is an alternative, but it's not the best alternative because it can cause imbalances. I experience that no Adam, you did in your back when you were doing that for a while. So, you know, double overhand grip or a hook grip, but studies will show that when you use

Starting point is 00:43:24 wrist straps, which is the thing that goes around your wrist and attaches around the bar, it actually changes recruitment patterns all the way up into the shoulder. So when you're doing your rows and you're pulling, it changes a recruitment pattern. And that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. It just means that your recruitment pattern, yeah, and your recruitment pattern now is developing strongly around using a wrist strap. So you're dependent on it, in a sense. You become a little bit more dependent on it.

Starting point is 00:43:50 So then, again, if you're in the real world and you need to apply your strength and you don't have wrist wraps, you may increase your risk of injury. I've noticed that. As a result, I remember back, we used them mainly for power cleans, but then I would, I got so dependent on it,

Starting point is 00:44:05 even doing like dumbbell rows, I was like, wow, I should be doing more weight than this, but I mean, my grip just was not as strong to kind of produce, you know, to stabilize the weight as I was rowing it. So after that, I was like, I'm done with wrist wraps completely, and I've, I think I was the first, like, I just completely abandoned them and was telling like all my clients or my friends or whatever. And I've, I think I was the first, like, I just completely abandoned them

Starting point is 00:44:25 and was telling like all my clients or my friends or whatever, like I just, I'm not forum, I get why people like to have the wrist wraps, you know, when they're lifting, because obviously you can, you could feel a nice solid, secure grip. And while you're lifting, you could lift them more in a sense. But yeah, it's, to me, it's always been like,

Starting point is 00:44:44 I haven't earned it unless I can pick it up with my hands without any kind of accessory. Yeah, over time what happens too is like if you're especially if you're a bodybuilding and so you're doing lots of volume, you know if you're doing 15 sets for your back, halfway through your workout, your grip may start to fatigue and now you're limited by your grip. your grip may start to fatigue and now you're limited by your grip. And it just takes time. It can take time to develop the point where your grip then now can keep up with your ability to pull. Now, of course, there are situations where I think you probably should use a wrist wraps, for example, if you're a strong man and your event involves

Starting point is 00:45:19 lifting away with wrist wraps, which they do. They do do lifts where they have to deadlift or pull some off the ground and they're allowed to use them. Well, then you want to train with these particular tools. And there's stretching, like capacity and boundaries beyond, like, a reasonable, like, they need, like, everything to hold all their joints in place, throwing this kind of weight around. So, I mean, I think it really just depends

Starting point is 00:45:41 on what your desired outcome is. Like, if you're, I don't think you need to, to supplement or do just forearm training unless you, it's a limiting factor unless, unless you can't get like above 400 pounds or whatever your, whatever's a lot of weight for you deadlifting. And the reason why you can't has nothing to do with your leg or your back strength and everything to do with your ribs strength. Like, if you care about that and that's what's keeping you from lifting that, then I could see dedicating some effort towards building that or like squat shoes, like I have to squat

Starting point is 00:46:14 lighter because I have my feet, you know, or flat or whatever. Actually, I do see it kind of like squat shoes, but I was actually just talking to Taylor about using squat shoes because he was asking about it because of his depth right now. He's getting really good at being on the squat deeper. And I said, you know, right now you're doing really lightweight and you're working on mechanics. I said, where I would use squat shoes still if I were to bring them out of my bag today, is if I'm deciding like today, I just decide, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna press, I'm gonna push the weight up more than I have in a really long time. And it's just a like a safety precaution for me. I know if I got that heel, I have in a really long time and it's just like a safety precaution for me

Starting point is 00:46:45 I know if I got that heel I've got a little extra range of motion that I for safety purposes like while I'm doing something that I have done for I might throw them on for that same thing goes for like deadlift if I I'm gonna deadlift with no wraps You know 95% of the time, but if also and I decide today like oh, I want to I want to say I want to chase a PR Or I want to see I haven't lifted really having a long time., I wanna chase a PR, I haven't lifted really heavy a long time, I'm gonna push a weight that I haven't done. Let's see, if I'm gonna go, today, I haven't gone over 500 pounds in a long time. So if all of a sudden I was feeling froggy today,

Starting point is 00:47:16 and I'm gonna go out and do some really heavy deadlifts, I might throw my straps on today, just to see how that feels, because the last thing I wanna do when I'm already challenging myself weight-wise everywhere else, I don't want my forearm to slightly give and then throw the weight off a tiny bit

Starting point is 00:47:32 and then I tweak my back over some bullshit like that. And I don't think that one time's gonna do that much harm. So, and then the only other time I could see too is if somebody is like if you're into, if you're building it physically, you're a bodybuilder and your forearms are disproportionate to your arms and your shoulders. And so you have really small forearms

Starting point is 00:47:51 so you want them to look a certain way so I could see doing that. But honestly, if you're doing shrugs, if you're doing farmer walks, if you're doing dead lifts and you're not using wraps to do those things, I think you're gonna developlifts and you're not using wraps to do those things, I think you're going to develop some pretty strong forms. I think it's silly when I see guys doing like a shrug and they use wraps because both

Starting point is 00:48:12 of those are, both of those are small muscles that you're targeting. You may as well develop the forearms while you're also developing your little traps. San doesn't make sense to me to rob Peter to pay Paul in a sense, right? Unless you had these overdeveloped forms. It's just, you know, there's a couple of body parts that being, okay, obviously being in fitness for as long as I have, I can usually tell from a long distance away if somebody is strong or fit.

Starting point is 00:48:39 You can always tell, even if they have a sweater on, if you're experienced in fitness, you tend to be able to tell. But there's a few muscles that I can, if I see them developed on a man, that I can tell that they don't just work out, but they're actually like real world strong. What I mean by that is if you tangle with this fucker,

Starting point is 00:48:57 he's gonna, you're gonna have a tough time. Well, there's just, and one of them is like hands and forearm. Right, right. The other one is like upper back and traps, hips. If the dudes got big glutes and hips, usually they have got power. Boxy core. Yeah, when you see those things, it's like,

Starting point is 00:49:10 oh, and I learned that, I mean, especially doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, grappling, judo and wrestling, you go wrestle somebody, or especially if you grapple in a gui, like Jiu-Jitsu or judo, the difference between somebody who has a monster grip and somebody who has a regular grip is a huge difference in how they're gonna fuck with you. Even if you wrestle and you don't use a ghee,

Starting point is 00:49:35 somebody grabs your wrist, I've grappled with like a limpic caliber, Greco-Roman wrestlers, and that guy gets a hand, he just puts his hand on your shoulder or grabs your arm and you're basically his bitch. He'll do whatever he wants with you by gripping you. Have you ever had somebody grip your wrist and able to squeeze your arm so hard?

Starting point is 00:49:55 Yeah. That you have to give up just from that. And so for, I don't know, for me personally, that's always been something that I've always been like, wow, that's kind of cool. It was a major strength of mine as a kid because I worked in the dairy, dude. So you're always milking.

Starting point is 00:50:10 So my buddies and I, no it's crazy. So remember, I'm skinny kid, right? I was wieried looking when I was in high school. So I wasn't the buff kid out of our friends. But when we wrestled, I fucked everybody up. Because I literally had a death. You were wrestling with the cow, man. Yeah, even if you could get on top of me,

Starting point is 00:50:25 if I could get a holding control your wrist. Yeah, I would wrap my arms around you and grab a hold of you, you couldn't do anything. I don't care how big and strong you are as kids. When we were kids, my friends that were into weightlifting, football, and they were bigger than me, I could wrestle two of my buddies because I could control one of them

Starting point is 00:50:41 with my grip on one hand while I'm fucking with the other one because I had long arms and shit. And I never connected that to probably all the dairy work that I was doing. I'll tell you what, you know, it's about hookin' some bales of hay all day long and throw that around and milking cows and shit, dude, for sure. And I'll tell you what, you know what's funny about that is, and this is maybe not off topic, it's kind of connected, but you know the things you do as a kid when your body's developing, I think that kind of stuff tends to stick around more permanent and you might

Starting point is 00:51:10 get more like hyperplasia as a result, like that's where muscle fiber split and become new muscle fibers, because like talking about you, Adam, when we first met, you know, we started doing mind pump, you used wrist straps a lot in your back training, all the time, you were training for physique and bodybuilding through goal was aesthetics, and I didn't, I never used them, right? Then when we would go work out and we'd have fun with gripping and grabbing things, even though you use wrist straps all the time,

Starting point is 00:51:36 you could hang with me, which I was always, I usually crush people with my grip, it's usually something I'm one of the strongest things at, and it's probably because you have that fucking, it's a kid that train. I'm sure. I mean, it makes sense now looking back. I didn't know that as a kid, but for, I mean, dude, I every day at the dairy was this constant

Starting point is 00:51:54 forearm motion. I mean, if you've ever lifted, if you've ever used hay hooks and lifted bells, hey, I mean, it's all forearm strength. Oh, dude. In college, I remember the strongest guys on the team were from farms and from Kansas and from Indiana and they were like by far, like it wasn't even close the comparison when you put them next to somebody else.

Starting point is 00:52:16 They had just so much just raw strength and grip strength and power. For me, I remember one thing that was, you know, it wasn't much of a grip. I had to really build and develop a grip strength and power. For me, I remember one thing that was, it wasn't much of a grip. I had to really build and develop a grip strength. That's something I had to intentionally work on. But what I did have inherently was power and a snap. And that came really easy for me.

Starting point is 00:52:37 And that's something that I kind of traced back to just constantly chopping wood. That was a chore that I absolutely loved. And so I would always request that. So every single fall, winter, like growing up, like I was chopping wood for days, cords for the entire community, I was like chopping wood. It's crazy when you start to go back

Starting point is 00:52:59 and think about all that stuff, because I'm thinking too, oh god, I forgot, I mean, shit, we used to, I mean, I grew up on a lake too, right? So we used to wakeboard. And if you guys have ever grabbed and held, well, that's the weakest link, right? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:10 And we would go from sun up to sun down all day, right? And it's funny because now is an adult. I try and do that. And I'm fried, dude. He has super tech. Oh, yeah, it's super super. Yeah, so my dad, obviously, he grew up in Sicily. And he, him, my dad, side of the family. They're they like strength

Starting point is 00:53:27 They're like doing feats of strength and stuff like that and my dad used to do that kind of stuff too And a lot of the old feats of strength involve hand strength So like you know, you know ripping things or Doing the balance with the with the big sledge hammer you ever seen that one where you extend your arm out You bring the sledge hammer Yeah, to your nose, or lifting a shovel with your arm straight, with weight on it. And then of course, my dad's always worked with his hands.

Starting point is 00:53:51 And my dad's hands are like, they're like two, they used to call him. So when he came to Jiu Jitsu, he actually came to Jitsu with me to train when he was, I wanna say 50, this is after, and he's not, you don't work out or anything, he's just doing his labor, you know, labor. He would come in and do Jiu Jitsu, and people would call, you know, he didn't work out or anything, he's just doing his labor, you know, labor.

Starting point is 00:54:05 He would come in and do jiu-jitsu, and people would call him Iron Man. And then it was because of his grip, he'd grab your ghee, and they're like, you're fucked. Once he grabbed you, couldn't do anything. And there were times when he would grab people's hands, and he would just squeeze their hands, and they would tap out from his hand.

Starting point is 00:54:18 And they'd all get pissed off and they'd end up. And they'd say, oh, man, strength, they'd say, it's like, it's like a movie right there. His heart, dude, character, bro. His hand, his hands, his hands didn His heart to care, bro. His hands. His hands didn't make any sense how strongly it worked, but then you go and you meet people that he works with who've been doing this kind of work for as long as he has

Starting point is 00:54:34 and all that stuff and then it makes sense. Oh yeah, everybody. But anyway, as far as should you dedicate training to your grip, if it's at a balance, if you really want to develop forearms and hands, if it's something you're into, yes, otherwise, you just want your grip to be as strong as it needs to be to be able to handle

Starting point is 00:54:51 the rest of your training, in which case I say use chalk, don't use, you know, wrist straps, and especially in the beginning, and you should be fine. Grab heavy awkward stuff. Dead, dead, deadless men and farmer walks. Oh, and, and, and snatch grip, high pulls.

Starting point is 00:55:05 I've been doing that shit lately. Oh, shit. Can I tell you something right now? I have never done an exercise that fries the shit out of my traps, like a Snatchgrip high pull. Of course. Not even close. No shrug, no nothing.

Starting point is 00:55:17 It comes close to that. But then you're gripped, too, because you're gripped so wide. It's so wide. Oh, fuck. That's tough. Papa coming. Next question is from more JoJo. Why do women suffer from autoimmune issues more than men?

Starting point is 00:55:29 We talked about this a lot earlier. Did you guys know the statistics on this? So you've actually, I think, dropped this before. So I think something like over 70% of autoimmune issue cases or diagnosis in America go to women. So women actually, the vast majority of autoimmune issues go to women are something like three times as likely to suffer from autoimmune issues.

Starting point is 00:55:52 Is it because of the hormonal difference? There's a couple reasons. One is the X chromosome carries more genes that affect the immune system than the Y chromosome. So men obviously have an X and Y chromosome, women have two X chromosomes. So they have more of these genes that control the immune system.

Starting point is 00:56:10 Now that's good and bad, good in the sense that women tend to fight off infection better than men. And they tend to live longer than men, but the payback or not the payback, I should say the flip side of that is that their immune system becomes a little bit more hyper-vigilant. Then on top of that, the estrogen hormone promotes a stronger immune response, and of course

Starting point is 00:56:34 women have higher levels of estrogen in the body. Now I think women evolve to have these things evolved many different reasons, but one of them is to be able to bear life. And so they need to be able to fight off infection more, they need to have a more versatile immune system. Again, we talked about this earlier, they pass on the microbiome, all that stuff. And so their immune systems tend to be more hyper-vigilant. And women are also more sensitive in my experience, and there's also some evidence to support this, that women are more sensitive to stress on their body. So like, if they fast more often, if they work out too hard or if they lose more sleep,

Starting point is 00:57:18 then their bodies tend to go into these states of either autoimmune or HP access dysfunction at higher or faster rates than men do, and it may just be a protection mechanism. You know what I'm saying? I think it's only fair. They're already smarter and more attractive than us. They can't have better guts, too. Have you guys noticed this with clients? To be know to be honest with you like when you do coach You see more damaged metabolism. Yeah, now I wish that I had the the level of education knowledge and experience that I have now

Starting point is 00:57:54 Looking back, you know 10 plus years ago, right like What where I'm at now compared to where I was like these are the type of things that I think of right away because I didn't realize back then like these are the type of things that I think of right away because I didn't realize back then how popular and how common it was and how much it can be a limiting factor on your client's success, right? Like when you get a client hires you or they would hire you, you know, 10, 15 years ago, it'd be, you know, I want to look this way or I want to lose this weight or I want to build muscle and that's all we ever talk about. And so, all of my research, all of my conversations, everything we talk about is around that. And so, I wasn't addressing a lot of the stress about sleep and a lot of potential autoimmune stuff, or if they were allergic to certain foods, like these types of conversations I wasn't

Starting point is 00:58:38 having. So, I didn't really start to see the rise of it, or what seemed like there was a rise of it when I got into coaching bodybuilders and women's bikini athletes, then you start to see more and more of this. And so it seems like it's super common or more common, but I also don't know, me being honest, I don't know if it was more common before.

Starting point is 00:59:00 I wish I would have known that because I wouldn't have been surprised if I had probably clients that were getting flare ups, retaining water, holding with that, thinking that they weren't seeing the results from whatever program or diet I had them on and they were really getting some sort of a reaction. And so I'm sure that I had a lot of people that struggled with that. I didn't even know. Yeah. You know, like the clients that I'll work with now, typically if somebody comes to me and I'm going to find that their metabolism is adapted in a too strong of a way in the negative in the sense that it's much slower or

Starting point is 00:59:33 If we're going to notice like hormonal imbalances now with men we are seeing lower testosterone start to happen But you know that's that's probably that's probably related to more environmental factors anything. I've noticed women's bodies reacting a little bit more strongly to over application of exercise intensity and dieting. And again, I think it's just- I think it's also exposure to beauty products

Starting point is 01:00:00 like we had mentioned. It could be all of those things. You know, you just like add in volume of like all these factors. I mean, it could be, I just think, I think that the, like here's what happens to a woman and this is forget beauty products, forget chemicals. If you get a woman to a certain body fat percentage, her body, her hormones and everything will shift significantly to the point where she stops having a period and she can't

Starting point is 01:00:22 have a baby. That doesn't happen to a man until you get to ridiculously extreme levels. Like if I take a guy from, you know, 12% body fat, which is relatively lean and I get him down to, let's say, 7% body fat, which is pretty damn lean. It's not like bodybuilder shredded, but it's like you got a six pack and you're looking pretty shredded. His testosterone, his hormones, his body, not gonna be too different, at least if he does it the right way.

Starting point is 01:00:49 If I take a woman and I get her, yeah, if I get a woman down to... She'll probably lose her period. Even if I get her down to 12 or 13% body fat, which is very lean for a woman. So twice as much body fat than the guy, many of them will lose their period and hormones will start to shift and change. And I think it's just, again, the body is like, oh, we need to make sure we can't have

Starting point is 01:01:11 a baby because we don't have enough fat and we're not getting enough calories and there's too much stress on us, type of deal. Fasting, there's a little bit of research too on fasting to show that guys can do this constant fasting every single day. And some women, if they do that They start to get some of those negative side effects, which is why I you know I say fasting on a consistent, you know regular basis may not be a great idea for a lot of people Well, this is remember we brought it to the day and you said that it's like a stress

Starting point is 01:01:35 I I said it was like a stress and yeah, and and I think you I think you correct to me and said that some Walter lot doctor Walter Lungo hates it when people say it's a strength, but I think it can be a strength. I know. I look at it like that. I think it's, that's why I also tell people too that it's an advanced way of eating in my opinion. I think, which sounds crazy, right? Eat not eating or restricting from food, but I mean, I was just talking to somebody on my Instagram the other day that was asking all these fasting questions. And I'm like, they're fasting every single day. And their question is always, these people are always about, it's about fat loss. It's about weight loss, you know, it's like I'm fasting every day

Starting point is 01:02:09 and I'm only eating one meal a day and I'm still not losing weight. I'm like, that's not what you should be doing. Like it's- Well, that's why, yeah, it's not just calories in and out. It's not just this math problem you're dealing with. No. Yeah, there's a lot more variables and factors to consider with that. And if you do it every day, it's only a matter of time

Starting point is 01:02:24 before the party gets adapted to that and becomes efficient. Metabolism slows down and becomes more efficient at the amount of calories that you're getting. And there's also, you know, something else to consider too is your state of mind can definitely, I think, affect your health and can affect autoimmune issues. And the stereotype, of course, is that women worry more

Starting point is 01:02:43 or stress more or whatever. And the research actually shows that there's some truth to this. Now, it may be that women have more to worry about in the sense that they tend to do most of the household chores, and they also tend to bear the brunt of the burden if there's a single parent or whatever. That may play a role. It also may be an evolutionary thing where women tend to be better at multitasking. And just this again, on an individual basis, there's going to be wide varieties. Some men

Starting point is 01:03:12 are going to be terrible at this and some women will be great and vice versa. But generally, speaking, if you do tests where you're testing a person's ability to hyper focus on something, men tend to do better. And if you test people's ability to multitask, women tend to do better. And I think because of that, they may be they have a tendency to take on more tasks and lots of different things, whereas maybe the guys like,

Starting point is 01:03:37 okay, I'm focused on this one thing and that's it. And the woman's like, I gotta worry about this, this, that, and the other. And that kind of stress or that low level moderate, consistent stress for sure plays a role in autoimmune disorders, at least in your health, for sure. And I do know that women take majority of antidepressants and antanxatemic medications, probably because of that.

Starting point is 01:04:01 So there's a lot of factors that I think, but scientists have identified that the X chromosome probably plays a role because there's more genes that we've identified that are tied to the immune system. Is there any correlation with the hormone control? Well, if the estrogen type hormones tend to fuel a hypervigilant immune system, I can only imagine that taking a estrogen-based or estrogen-like type pill may contribute to this. I can only imagine. You know it's funny about autoimmune issues for many of them? The symptoms reduce significantly when women are pregnant.

Starting point is 01:04:36 So when women are during pregnancy, like women with MS, their symptoms will start to decline. I think that's just because the immune system naturally tries to take a back seat just to because if you have a super like hyper-vigilant immune system, it'll abort your baby because it'll view it as a as a foreign invader. Oh wow. And so I'm one, I'm thinking that that's probably what's happening during pregnancy, but yeah, it's just one of those things that's probably because it's such a big percentage of a difference. I don't think that environment and actions are account for 75 or 80 percent of the fact, the fact that 70 to 80 percent of autoimmune issues go to women or whatever that are diagnosed.

Starting point is 01:05:19 I don't think that's necessary. I think a small percentage of that is environmental and action. I think a larger percentage might be genetic because we see such a broad difference. Next question is from Cyrus T. Foo. It seems hybrid athletes are becoming more popular or at least athletes are competing in several different kinds of sports.

Starting point is 01:05:38 Is it possible to excel in all three? Physiques, strength, and endurance despite them being so different? Isn't that what made a bow jacked and so special, right, strength, and endurance despite them being so different. Isn't that this one made a bow jacks and so special right back in the day? Well, you know, it's funny at all. We had we told those. It was God, it was a long time ago. What we had our buddies from training slate on here. And one of the guys he specializes in training young athletes.

Starting point is 01:06:04 And he we touched a little bit on this topic. And I found it really interesting. And I when he said it, like I had kind of a thought that that would be the case, but I'd never heard anybody else explain it as well. So if you want more on this, go back there. But what he was talking about was, you know, is it better to have a kid play one sport his whole life? Like, if I want my kid to go to the NFL, I should put them in football, football, football, football, football, he should play football his entire life or soccer, it doesn't matter, whatever sport, right?

Starting point is 01:06:33 And they should play that sport their whole life as much as possible year round. And he says, that's actually not true. And it'd be far more beneficial for that kid to diversify his sports like soccer, baseball, football, playing all three of them, because there are lots of carryovers for that. And while he's developing, he's going to get a lot of benefits from each developing more like body awareness. Right. And then maybe as you get it later on in life, it becomes more advantageous to hyperfocus

Starting point is 01:07:02 on one sport. So maybe, and I don't remember what he said. And do you remember Justin? Yeah, you know, I think it was Dr. Brett McCabe that was actually talking about that. I don't think it was that. But yeah, I remember that distinctively when he was describing, you know, like a young athlete

Starting point is 01:07:17 versus like somewhere around, after high school, college kind of level athlete, where now we're kind of honing into our skill. We've built the foundation of our skill set. Now we're gonna direct it completely into a sort of honing, refine that adaptation towards that specific sport. But yeah, because that way,

Starting point is 01:07:41 there's certain things like, you're gonna build all these, these compensations and patterns. And if you do it consistently since you're like a young kid, I mean, you gotta think of that from a longevity perspective as well. So, well, right. And then it takes, if you become, and we'll use an example, I think it's really easy for people to see,

Starting point is 01:08:00 like if you're a pitcher, and you, and you, like, you only have a certain amount of pitches in your arm. Right, and you're a pitcher, and you, and you, like, you only have a certain amount of pitches in your arm. Right. And you're, and you're throwing on one side all the time. And if you were to do that your whole life as a kid, as a young adult, I've seen, I've met kids like that.

Starting point is 01:08:12 Right. It would not be ideal. And, and that person is more likely to hurt themselves somewhere else because they're not strong in other planes, right? So making that same kid, maybe play soccer or another sport that forces them in these different planes

Starting point is 01:08:27 and to use different parts of their body. I mean, you could definitely parallel that to our methodology with maps and how we try to take people outside of their comfort zone, go into a different phase adaptation, something to experience, while also refining, like building this solid foundation of movement and muscle and different patterns to establish.

Starting point is 01:08:55 So that way, your body, it all sort of pours back into the cup. You get new skill sets, you pour it back into the cup and then you refine it. It does. So what I've noticed with kids, because I have two young kids that watch them play sports, and definitely the young kids for sure, if my daughter's playing basketball, the kid that's best at basketball is probably the best at all sports. Because at that age, it's not so much about the skill of that specific sport. It's more about the fact that they have good motor skills

Starting point is 01:09:27 Exactly right, but as you get older like now my son's in seventh grade and as he's getting older I'm noticing Motor skills obviously you got to be good, but it's also a lot about or it's becoming more about specific skills to those specific sports and so I you know Definitely if you're a kid, do a lot and develop, because your brain is developing at that time, it's developing all these connections, you wanna just be able to move really well. Yeah, at that level, it's more about just general attributes

Starting point is 01:09:55 in like, you're exactly right. Just knowing, going through the process of the different levels of, like, so I'm starting at, like, you know, like elementary school and so I'm starting at like, you know, like elementary school, and then I'm going into junior high, then I'm going to high school level sports and I'm going into college, like the speed,

Starting point is 01:10:13 the strength, the quickness, the power that you have to emit, like it, you know, 10 X's, like each time you jump up to the next level and so. But then it also becomes so skill-specific. Well, that's where it starts to refine because not only that, you have to study more. You have to know, be more predictive. Like, you have to have a really good,

Starting point is 01:10:34 like, so that's the level where you really want to concentrate more on your specifics. You know, as he talked about, because right here, he's like, and I know I brought up the kid, right? No, there's two, just two parts. I think you're answering like the sports part, and then the second part is,

Starting point is 01:10:48 is it possible to excel in all three physique strength and endurance, which we're gonna get into? But before that, I do wanna say this, I don't know if you guys knew this, but in the Olympics, up until, I wanna say the turn of the 20th century, so like 1800s. You probably had to compete in multiple events.

Starting point is 01:11:05 Well, no, not that you had to, but the coach is considered the best athletes in each sport as the best general athlete. So they would look for somebody who was like 165 pounds, 510 lean, and that was the perfect runner, shop putter, swimmer. Like they all kind of looked the same. Like if you took the Olympic, you know, Olympians from, you know, the 19th century and early 20th century and you lined them all up,

Starting point is 01:11:33 they looked a lot more similar than they do now. Cause then what we started figuring out was specialization was real important. So now you put a shop putter next to a long distance runner and it's a totally different animal. A lot of specialization and then also the science and the equipment are the two major I mean remember that Ted talk we've referenced before that those are that would been the two biggest changes in sports that's evolved our athletes when you compare any athletes on any sports across the board to 50 years ago we're always all of us at anyone who's talk who

Starting point is 01:12:04 follow sports is so amazed by oh my god look at the way the athletes are now prepared today and to 50 years ago, we're always, all of us, at anyone who's talking, who follows sports, is so amazed by, oh my God, look at the way the athletes are now prepared today. And then, and I remember being apart of the group that used to think it was because of steroids. I thought where we had came with the science as far as steroids says, like, oh, well,

Starting point is 01:12:18 that's the big difference. Well, in the 50s, nobody was really doing steroids. And now, all these athletes are doing that. And that's not true. That's like 5% of what I'm gonna say. Yeah, it's a very, very small percentage that has anything to do with that. In fact, it's more about the specialization and then also the science in the types of fields and equipment and the tools. Even the pool.

Starting point is 01:12:35 Oh, the uniforms that they wear. The uniforms, the water caps or the way the pool is set up, like you're saying. Makes a big difference. Oh, yeah, the turf that they're running your bush. Yeah. Definitely. You don't big difference. Oh yeah, the turf that they're running your bush. Yeah. That's a good, definitely. Yeah, you don't want that. Makes me slow.

Starting point is 01:12:49 But as far as excelling, well, it depends what you mean by excelling, is the, can you be at the top levels of physique, strength, and endurance, you know, categories? Probably not. If you were, you would be the greatest athlete of all time. You know, imagine that, like, you know, you have like, Mr. Fisek, you know, competitor Olympian stage

Starting point is 01:13:13 who's also world's strongest Olympic lifter who's also, you know, Spinal Championship. Yeah, like long distance world champion, you know, or, you know, marathon world champion, Super UVA Farik. It's different because when you know, or, you know, marathon world champion. Super UVA, a freak. It's different because when you're all of different, you know, physical expressions, different ways that your body expresses your physicality, endurance,

Starting point is 01:13:34 strength, speed, whatever, when you start to train to become exceptional at one of them, like become one of the best, your body has to give up other things. It has to. It's just the way it works. So, if your body is, if you're trying to become the strongest power lifter in the world, that requires a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber. It requires lots of hypertrophy because you need more muscle growth. But that's the opposite of what you want if you're going to be a long

Starting point is 01:14:06 distance champion, long distance running champion. Long distance running champion needs lots of slow twitch muscle fibers. You need the opposite of lots of hypertrophy. In fact, you want to be small and light as hell because you got to carry your body. And so it's very different. So if you train in all these different physical pursuits, you can get better at all of them, but will you excel or maximize

Starting point is 01:14:31 how good you can get in any one of them by concentrating on all of them? No, you'll actually take away. It's like video games. You know the video games where you have like 100 points and you're building your character and every time you add points to like one attribute, it takes away from 100.

Starting point is 01:14:44 So you can either make them all even or you can make your guy super strong or super fast. It's just like that. Well, because I think a lot of people associate like even say a football player for example, like that they have good endurance, but they only have good endurance for that like short window of time. Like they like gameplay amount of time where it's like a few 30 second bursts, you know, like that's how they've trained themselves to, you know, like endure really high intensity,

Starting point is 01:15:15 physicality in that moment, but like yeah, they're physical specimens, like at that level, they're, they look like physique wise, they look super impressive, and so you've seen like a few freaks in certain sports where you're like, wow, they must be like awesome at endurance, at power, at strength.

Starting point is 01:15:35 Like, you know, Bo Jackson's probably the closest like I'd even think of besides like a drone cursy or you know, somebody that's just like super, freak, super fast, but like, you know, they can, they can, they never seem like they're tired, but it's very sports-specific still. But Bo Jackson did baseball and football, which, although they're very different sports,

Starting point is 01:15:54 there's some complimentary stuff going on there, right? I couldn't imagine Bo Jackson doing football and swimming, or football, long distance running, or something like that. Yeah, long distance running or something like that. Yeah, long distance running would be, yeah, there's no way. It'd be very different, right? But baseball kind of, you know, he's still gonna explode to run to the bases.

Starting point is 01:16:11 He has to have the good, the thing about Bo Jackson that was so impressive is that his skill set was so high enough to make him a pro in both. Like that's a whole nother of you. And he didn't last very long either with all that. I mean, you're talking about my mother. You saw Michael Jordan try and play baseball, you know Yeah, yeah grace of all time goes to baseball sucks

Starting point is 01:16:31 Better than me. Yeah, well, yeah, wait a minute of me. Yeah, I was gonna say that he's We're comparing him to the pros that he wasn't very good And I'm sure if he focused on that Exclusively he would add a better shot, but yeah, our. Yeah, our maps programs are designed for general goals, and then they're broken down into phases that focus on goals that contribute to that ultimate goal. So like, maps in a ballac is like maximum strength, maximum muscle, but within that you focus on maximal strength, you focus on bodybuilding type hypertrophy, and then you focus on the pump. Because all three of those contribute to that one big goal.

Starting point is 01:17:06 Same thing with performance or maps aesthetic or any of our other types of programs. But all of our programs really revolve around developing a strong muscular kind of functional physique. What you can do, if you like to train in all these different modalities, what I recommend is go through each maps program. They all last about two to four months, so you could do a maps program. It's more specific to a particular type of goal, then moved to the next one, which focuses on another type of goal. And that's a fun.

Starting point is 01:17:36 That's the thing. So that's the benefit I could see about training for different modalities is for some people that's super fun, because it can get boring to always train in the same Well, that's why we recommend it I mean, that's why the bun the super bundle is probably our most popular bundle or is the is the whole year is going through in and out of all These different phases unless you're like a very specific like goal like if you came to me and said I'm a pro athlete in this and this what I need Well, then yeah, I wouldn't say, yeah, you should do the Super Bundle. It's for the general population who just wants to be,

Starting point is 01:18:08 that wants to be pretty strong, that wants to look pretty damn good, that wants to have some pretty damn good endurance. It's like mobility and all of it. It compasses all of it. Yeah, but it is crazy how specific your body adapts. I mean, I love lifting in the low rep range. Love it, especially for my lower body.

Starting point is 01:18:25 Love heavy squats, love heavy deadlifts. And so I could get to the point where, I could do a single rep with maybe 400 pounds in the squat. You could take 150 pounds off the bar, bring it down to like 300 pounds or 270 pounds or 250 pounds and tell me to squat it more than 10 times and that is going to be fucking challenging for me You know, I'm going to be breathing hard and be very difficult. It's crazy how the body adapts in such specific way so

Starting point is 01:18:55 Being able to excel in three totally different categories Probably not possible. Next question is from huligan. Was there ever a stage in your life? Professional or personal that you felt unqualified or not worthy of doing something? How do you overcome this? Oh, man, sorry. It's every day of my life now. I kept thinking of a job I had that I was like,

Starting point is 01:19:15 yeah, I'm awesome at this. Yeah, I remember specifically, you know, being a personal trainer and training executives and professionals, and sometimes they would intimidate me being a personal trainer and training executives and professionals, and sometimes they would intimidate me. And we'd have these conversations, and I'd be like, oh shit, what if I say the wrong thing? I wanna come across a smart, like I know what I'm talking about.

Starting point is 01:19:36 And then I learned the power of saying, I don't know. It's a very powerful thing to say. So if you're in a situation where you feel Unqualified that's okay go in there and do your best and then be okay with saying I don't know or this is something I don't understand I do but then follow it up with I'll find out or I'll learn how to do it. I very powerful. I think Being underqualified is so much more fun. I can't think of, I can think of a lot of times when I came into a job or a situation where I was unqualified for it or underqualified for it. I can only think of one at the top of my head of where I felt overqualified

Starting point is 01:20:20 and it was probably one of the least fulfilling jobs I ever done. And that was working for Orange Theory not that long ago. And, you know, part of the purpose of that was to help a buddy of mine out. That was that owns a bunch of them and run that. But I'd never felt in my life that I had a job where I didn't feel challenged or stretched at all. I felt so overqualified for that position that it got maybe only, it really only got about 20% of me. And if you're listening and you used to take my classes, oh, I love your classes.

Starting point is 01:20:48 Well, I don't mean I was like just a shit butt, you know, I felt that it didn't stretch me, you know, the programming behind it was weak. I didn't, I was already done for me. All I had to do was create a playlist, be my personality, point out things that people are doing wrong and educate a little bit, like that job was so unfulfilling for those reasons. So I would way rather be in a situation

Starting point is 01:21:12 where I'm a little scared and I feel unqualified and there's a lot to learn because it gives me purpose. It gives me purpose every day that I go there because I want to be good. Everything that I've ever done, no matter how unqualified I am about it, like I want to be great at it. And nobody can control that more than I can. So for me, I thrive in those environments. I love to be put in a corner. I love to be challenged.

Starting point is 01:21:36 I love to be the most unqualified person in the room because there's lots of growth there. There's a lot of opportunity there. And I'm the one that dictates that. It's me who decides if I'm gonna put the extra hours in studying or stay late after work or ask the questions that I need to ask to learn. Those things to me, you don't wanna be the other way.

Starting point is 01:21:54 The other side fucking sucks. Being the overqualified person in a room. It's safe, that's why some people do that. Yeah, fuck you know what I mean? Safe is boring, it's so boring. Yeah, it's so boring and so death. And unfulfilling. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:22:08 It's like, imagine working on a conveyor belt line and you're just doing something for your job every day, the same thing over and over again. Like that would be absolute complete torture, you know what I mean? The very first time I became a manager, I was super fired up, super motivated, but also extremely terrified. I had no, I was, I became a personal trainer at the age of 18, four months later, they give me one of the biggest clubs in the area to manage the fitness department. So

Starting point is 01:22:39 I'm a fitness manager with four months of personal training experience, no idea what the systems were like. I had no idea what I had to do with, I don't know how to hire, I don't know when I can fire people, I don't know scheduling. I didn't know the Apex nutrition plan, which at the time 24th Fitness had Apex, and that was the nutrition plan.

Starting point is 01:23:00 I had no idea, I didn't even know what it was. I had no idea what it was. And in fact, I didn't sell very much of it because I didn't know what it was. I remember the first month, and I had no idea, I didn't even know what it was. I had no idea what it was. And in fact, I didn't sell very much of it because I didn't know what it was. I remember the first month, and I remember my manager coming to me and being like, why aren't you selling more apex? And I said, okay, I'll sell more of it,

Starting point is 01:23:12 and I started selling more of it, and then he goes, I want you to teach my, my other trainers had to sell apex, and I took him in the office. I'm like, I don't know what it is. I'm just selling it because you told me I should. I know it has something to do with nutrition. It was a very kind of a terrifying time,

Starting point is 01:23:31 but you learn along the way and you just learn to say, I don't know, and I've gotten lots of opportunities that way. I tell you, I've sat in front of so many people where I'm doing an interview or trying to get an opportunity and when they'll ask me, what are your qualifications, what's your experience, or what do you know about this? Many times I'll say, look, I don't know much about that, but one thing I do know, as I'll learn, and I'll work my ass off, and I'll become one of the best people at it, and people love to hear that, and it's very, and for me, I believe that, I believe I can do that, you know, but,

Starting point is 01:23:54 being, you know, feeling like you don't, like you're not worthy of something, you're worthy of whatever you get. So if you're in a situation, you're in a position, well, you're worthy of whatever you get. So if you're in a situation, you're in a position, well, you're worthy of it. Now, continue to prove it. Go in there and do your absolute best and learn and grow. And that's kind of what it's all about.

Starting point is 01:24:15 I'm with Adam. The opposite of that is shit. Oh, it's awful. I wish I had examples. Yeah, it's literally been my embo since forever. I was trying to think of jobs where I just felt like I Went into it. I'm like oh my god. I know everything. I know everything going into some everything's gonna be great like I can only think of orange theory. It's the only thing comes on my mind. No, that's a great example

Starting point is 01:24:35 I'm not keeping my brain right now going like where was it? A very job that I did where I was like super qualified or like way over like where they told you what what movie is that is it? What's the one where he is the guy who he gets his boss to give him a years pay American beauty and he goes to work at Burger King and the kid that like the 20 year old kids like interviewing him he's like sir you're a little overqualified he's like no I want to do it put me in the back half flip burgers like whatever like I've never had only orange is the only job where I walked into it. And it's a great, I think, job for a trainer that's just getting started. And so with that, I think it's an excellent place.

Starting point is 01:25:11 I think it's a great company and lots of positive things. But, you know, if you've been training for a really long time, teaching group classes is kind of, you know, going the other direction. Well, let's be honest, like, mind pump. Let's just talk about mine pump for a second We had zero nobody knows About podcast we don't know what the fuck we're doing. We're writing the book as we go along I mean literally Doug had equipment because he thought it was a cool hobby

Starting point is 01:25:38 So he had but don't you remember when we went I remember because I I mean I knew Justin really well I knew of sound we started to get to know each other and sad was talking about Doug Once I got to know each of you individually We're just like me with this had the same attitude with things like this was we all it did So like we have no idea what we're doing But we're we were so excited about the idea of what we're doing that it was everyone knew they would learning get better Yeah, and every day is that every day is a process of us excited about the idea of what we were doing, that it was everyone knew they would learn and get better.

Starting point is 01:26:05 And every day is that. Every day is a process of us learning and getting, learning and getting better. And there's, and I think that's part of what fulfills me personally so much with this job over anything else that we've ever done, because every day, I mean, yesterday, right, I was getting feedback from Katrina always listens to all, not only all the podcasts, but also any interviews that I do and stuff. And I said, hey, did you listen to this interview and I had sent it to her the other day?

Starting point is 01:26:29 And she's like, you're awful. You know, she's just, you're right. And I'm like, yeah, that's tings. You know what I'm saying? It's tings, but I love it. It really feel honey. Right, right. And I was like, well, you gotta give me more feedback

Starting point is 01:26:41 than it was just awful. You know, she was, wow, you just, like I made a list. Yeah. So you know, you're a ret, and she gave me,, wow, you just... It's like I made a list. Yeah. I was like, well, you were a rat. And she gave me, you know, you're rambling and doing this and doing that and you told this story terrible and you exaggerated this point.

Starting point is 01:26:52 Like, you know, so she just called me on all my shit. And I, but I like that, you know what I'm saying? It's an area that were like, I wasn't doing a lot of interviews just a year ago. And just in the last probably three or four months, that's ramped up a lot. And I know I'm not good at it. It's different than talking to the two of you.

Starting point is 01:27:10 When we have created a incredible dynamic amongst the three of us, and this is like therapy now for me, and this is comfortable. There's no nerves, there's no nothing. But still when another person has to interview me, it's a different dynamic. And it's different every time

Starting point is 01:27:24 because it's a different person. So, if there's skills that are all underdeveloped or they're nervous or whatever, like that could potentially affect me, and so it's forced me to elevate my game. Now, I fucking love that. You know, I love that feeling of not being good and there's potential for growth there.

Starting point is 01:27:40 This is why I love, like if somebody asks to interview me from a podcast, even if it's a tiny one, I tend to say yes, because it's like more practice. It's wraps. Yeah, it's more practice I get to get better. I'll tell you why, I learned this a long time ago. That, you know, when you're in a situation where you're presented with an opportunity

Starting point is 01:27:57 and you think to yourself, ooh, you know, I don't know if I want to do that thing. I don't know if I want to take that opportunity. Ask yourself if it's because you're afraid or if it's because you don't wanna do it. Are you comfortable? Now, if it's because you're afraid, then you better fucking do it.

Starting point is 01:28:15 Then that means you gotta go do it. Now, that doesn't guarantee you're gonna be good at it, but I told myself a long time ago that I will not do something simply because I'm afraid. I won't do something because I don't wanna, simply because I'm afraid. I won't do something because I don't want to or because I don't think it's you know a good opportunity or because it's not something I want to do. But if there's something and I'm being honest with myself and I ask myself like why do I not want to you

Starting point is 01:28:36 know if somebody invites me to go speak at an event and I'm thinking like I don't know if I want to go do that I got to travel and I'll stop and ask myself am I saying that because I'm afraid and nervous or am I saying that because I really don't want to do it? And if I'm being honest with myself many times it's just because I'm a little bit nervous in which case, I'll make myself a fuck it. I'm going to go do it and I tell you what, I can't imagine the amount of opportunities people have missed in life, business in personal life in everything

Starting point is 01:29:06 because they were insecure or they felt inadequate or because they were afraid Rather than because they actually didn't want on the other side of fear reside success That's a fact man and the scarier it is the more success is on the other side Yeah, I mean what will you get comfortable? And what we're telling you isn, what we're saying right now, isn't that you shouldn't feel fear, and you should be fearless in like a warrior. No, what I'm saying is you're gonna feel fear

Starting point is 01:29:34 that's always gonna happen. You recognize it. Recognize it, make friends with it, do it anyway. Sometimes it sucks really fucking bad. Some time. Work your way through it. Sometimes it's terrible. I mean, I've been in situations where I was so nervous and so like where I left and I'm like that was the worst performance

Starting point is 01:29:53 I can't just tell you guys how terrified I was when I went up to Ben Greenfields and the podcast That was the most terrifying But I just like was like, fuck it. It's why I love you, dude. I'm doing this. This like scares the shit out of me, you know? Like, and I had no idea what he was gonna ask me at, you know, and you know, Ben, he's a great guy.

Starting point is 01:30:18 And he's he definitely like wants the podcast to go well and help and everything. But he's very technical and he'll give all these specifics and then he tried to like turn it into like a supplement to a discussion and I'm like, quickly abort. You know, it's not my strengths. You know, like so anyways, I just, oh my God, I just, for some reason that sticks out to me

Starting point is 01:30:40 is being like, just such, one of those things that, you know, even down the road, that's just practice. That's just something that was like, I gotta get these types of things out of the way so I can get better. I was thinking, I think people that haven't experienced a lot of this in their life struggle the most with it, right? Like, because sometimes I know I catch myself saying this,

Starting point is 01:31:01 it's a good point. It's no big deal, just fucking face it. Face the fear and get over it, right? And I think about it like, you were presented with a lot of lessons. Yeah, I was a kid. Early on, it's seven years old right away that I was facing fear and only an option to make this happen.

Starting point is 01:31:17 And I didn't have the option of like, no, I don't want to, whatever. So, and it wasn't until probably my young adulthood, did I start to put it together that like, oh wow, like the scary of these situations are, like I always come out of them and I come out of better person and I learn something from them and sometimes it's a fucking huge success. And even the ones that are huge failures, there's always these great gyms that I learn and I grow from.

Starting point is 01:31:41 And I think because I was kind of forced in those situations when I was younger, I got comfortable with them early on. And then I learned to like seek it as I got into adulthood. So like Sal was just saying like, you know, and I've been Pekolsky says it really well. If I can't, I must, you know, if there's something that gives me fear or anxiety or not want to do it, it's like, oh, I got it. Because I don't get that feeling a lot anymore

Starting point is 01:32:03 because I've gotten so comfortable with that. Now if you're somebody who's avoided fear and avoided these moments your entire life and now you kind of feel like you're in a situation where you have to, this could be a very daunting thing for them, but I can't stress it enough that get comfortable with it and get to the point where you seek these things.

Starting point is 01:32:20 Do things that make you uncomfortable and you'll be blown away. But what's the most nervous you guys have been or afraid fearful you've been while doing Mind Pump? You said it was Ben Greenfielder. Yeah, that was definitely mine. Yeah, just being on my own and not with you guys. I just, I don't know. I like group settings. I like like two on two. I don't know. I just like to contribute. When it's focused and centered around myself and just completely talking about myself for more than 10 minutes, it becomes an issue with me.

Starting point is 01:32:56 For me, I think it would, the first time we did what we spoke in front of an audience, which I've done so many different times, right? I've talked in front of groups many times and that usually doesn't bother me, but what bothers me is if the context is in a particular way. And there was one where we were supposed to do a podcast in front of a large group, and I was nervous because there was a space that we had created, and now we have all these people watching, and a lot of them weren't familiar with the show, and so I didn't know how to be myself, and what I did is I reverted to what I do

Starting point is 01:33:32 when I talk to groups, which is I give a lecture, or whatever, and I remember that, I remember being nervous and like, oh, this is terrifying, but we did it, and it turned out okay. I don't know, do you have any? I don't know, do you have any? You know, I don't know. To really with us, I mean, I've been so comfortable with being uncomfortable

Starting point is 01:33:50 that those things don't really stand out and to be having you guys is like, it's such a cakewalk for me, because all these situations, like even the one you're bringing up right now, like getting in those situations, I'm so... It makes it a lot easier for me.

Starting point is 01:34:02 I'm so used to handling that on my own and like figuring it out, like, fuck it, I'm gonna do I'm so used to handling that on my own, like, like, figuring it out, like, fuck it, I'm gonna do this in worst case scenarios, I suck. Like, what's that? What does that mean? Like, I've sucked before. I was saying so. Who cares? But with you guys, it's such a comfortable feeling because I know that it's not all on me, and then I could lean on you guys to help that area, that it really gives me little to no fear. If I were to think of anything that we've done where I was like, oh, a little nervous a little bit, maybe about this situation, but it didn't scare me enough to even think twice about it.

Starting point is 01:34:33 It was probably when we spoke at Lulu Lemon for a bunch of runners. Because that was like, you know, not our crowd. There was zero people who knew who we were. We were in Lulu Lemonulemon, right? And we're giving a talk to fucking runners, being guys who openly speak out about not being fans of running. That's so funny.

Starting point is 01:34:53 We would have done better in front of a biker bar. Anything. Literally, you couldn't have game. Only thing that could have been more challenging, maybe at that time is if you brought us to a crossfit facility and asked us to speak to crossfitters only, or some shit. Like, I think we still would have done better.

Starting point is 01:35:07 We would have, we would have. That's why I think that that happened. It's so funny too, because we're all, what makes us each nervous is a little different, which is good. So we're not all nervous about the same shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I think about that Lulutime, and I'm, Lulutime.

Starting point is 01:35:19 I know, I wasn't nervous at all for that. That's the thing, yeah, like, I think presenting in person, I'm less, I'm less nervous about about that as I am just being by myself and like talking to somebody that's like super smart, I guess. Yeah, I don't like, you know, I don't like being in conversations with like a super intellect by myself, especially if they have a major ego and a chip as it is, because that's a really, how am I gonna fire back?

Starting point is 01:35:47 Being in yeah, being in business right this is it's different on the street Like we're on the streets all good like I'll I'll send because then I'll say whatever's on my mind And I'm not afraid of some like egotistical fucking brainiac like I'll put them in his place real quick But in business setting like I can't do that right? Yeah, so when you get somebody who's like a super intellect And I remember having that feeling for a moment when we interviewed Ben for the very first time, and I felt the very first interview we ever did with when we were first meeting each other,

Starting point is 01:36:13 there was definitely this kind of, there's a like ego in the room, and there was this, like I felt him almost come after me, as soon as we turned the mics on, and I hadn't been ready for that. I hadn't been hit with that feeling. And again, I had sal to my side to come to my rescue right away, but I was caught off guard.

Starting point is 01:36:32 I was caught off guard that, oh shit, we're gonna have a podcast like this. I remember that distinctively, and it wasn't about steroids, it was the... Sarm, sarm, that's what it was. For sure, not well read on sarm. And I'll be the first one to admit that on this show. And he was the. So, so, so, that's what it was. For sure, not well read on so, so, and I'll be the first one to admit that on this show and he was like targeting you specifically to get all the science.

Starting point is 01:36:50 And I felt it why he was doing it. It was this. You got these, and at the time, I'm competing so I'm all buff-looking, I come walking in and a guy like, it was like, and I'm used to that, right? It was peacock, and people, it was definitely the puff and the chest out, but intellectually with me. And being on a podcast, not being able to say whatever I want to say, you know, that could go really south, that threw me for a curveball.

Starting point is 01:37:15 So that was a little nerve-racking for just a moment though. I mean, it was just a moment, and it's what I love about the dynamic that we have that I always feel like, don't, bro, you don't fuck with me, I got my nerd with me, dude. I'm saying don't broke. You don't fuck with me. I got my nerd with me, dude. I'm saying that. Don't fuck with me.

Starting point is 01:37:28 I got my nerd with me, dude. You fuck you. Don't they be pull that car, you say that? But you know, there is a lot of power in just saying, I don't know, I've gotten to many conversations with people and they'll say, hey, Sal, what do you think about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? Well, I don't know about that.

Starting point is 01:37:43 You know, tell me about it. And they'll tell me, then I may have an about blah, blah, blah? Well, I don't know about that. Tell me about it, and they'll tell me, and then I may have an opinion, or if you're talking about something, you just say, hey, I don't really know much about this, but I'm gonna make a speculation. And people, I'll tell you what, when you're talking to somebody,

Starting point is 01:37:58 and you ask them a question, and they say they don't know, do you all of a sudden think they're idiots and you wanna talk to them anymore? No. If any, you know what makes you think someone's an idiot? When they say shit that you know that they don't know, do you all of a sudden think they're idiots and you want to talk to them anymore? No. If any, you know what makes you think someone's an idiot? When they say shit that you know that they don't know. That's wrong. Yeah, you're just trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:38:12 Oh totally. You know, so I forgot what I was talking about. I was talking about a friend of mine and oh, they were, friend of mine is talking about training or coaching other people and they're new. And they're like, well, what if they ask me a question, I don't know about, like what if they ask me questions about hormones, I don't know about, I'm like, well, what if they ask me a question, I don't know about, like, what if they ask me questions about hormones that I don't know about, I'm like, well, tell them you don't know.

Starting point is 01:38:28 It's okay. It's not a big deal, I'm not gonna think. It's worth doing it. We're stupid. Yeah, like, even if I went to a doctor, and I said something, and they said, well, I don't know, but I'll find out for you, or I don't know, but here, let me speculate a little bit,

Starting point is 01:38:40 like, I'm gonna appreciate and respect that more than if they try to pretend like they know anything but I think the more you do these because it's inevitable you're gonna do some of them and you're gonna fail and it's gonna It's gonna sting a little and it's gonna be frustrating and it's gonna be humbling and you're gonna have that But then you're gonna have the ones that you that you that you hit out the park or that go really well and that you were scared to death to do it And you're like those moments and I Talking back and forth right now, I'm thinking about something,

Starting point is 01:39:07 because we've got this conference call monitor in front of us, and normally when we do, like negotiations with companies that are gonna take on sponsorships or something, that we do this in this room on a conference call. And I fucking, I love those conversations now, but those are scary. I mean, asking people for lots of money

Starting point is 01:39:24 or demanding that, or risking potentially getting nothing, you know, because you're sweating for the fences. Like that, that's fucking can be very nerve-wracking for people and I just love those moments. I love putting me in that situation, that it's all or nothing. Yeah, you do. Oh man, that's fun to watch.

Starting point is 01:39:41 You can handle all the dollar negotiations. That's fun. That's fun. That becomes a hot. Yeah, you love that shit. Think of the moments when we hang that phone up though, like how juiced we are afterwards. And I'd be lying to say that those don't get those butterflies going, you know,

Starting point is 01:39:55 because I know going into it like, hey man, that's just a big deal right now. The company is depending on me to come through on this. This could be a huge contract for us, and I want more, or we're gonna push. And that's a scary moment, and if you feel that way going into conversation, trust me, you will come off that.

Starting point is 01:40:14 And one of the things that always makes me comfortable is always remember that there's somebody else on the other side of the phone, or there's somebody else that's dealing with this too, it's like, how do you know it's not just as awkward and scary for them? How do you know it's not just as difficult for them, or how do you know the people in the audience? Usually that's dealing with this too, is like, how do you know it's not just as awkward and scary for them? How do you know it's not just as difficult for them or how do you know the people in the audience?

Starting point is 01:40:28 Usually that's the case. Right, that they're not just as scared or just as intimidating. Most times it is that situation. You know what I'm saying? So when you get more comfortable with understanding that I think those are. And I guess how you overcome it is just get used to it.

Starting point is 01:40:39 I don't know if you over overcome it. You think you'll always feel it, especially if you test yourself and you're trying to grow. So just get comfortable with being uncomfortable and go for it because at the end of the day, do you want to be the person who experiences nothing in life and lives a very bland, an uneventful, no growth-oriented type of life?

Starting point is 01:40:59 Or do you want to be the person that, sometimes you go through some troubling times, sometimes you go through extreme successes, but you grow all along the way. I don't know about you guys, but I know which one I tied. I told you, dude, I would let, what's the saying? I'd rather live on my, live on my, or die on my feet and live on my knees.

Starting point is 01:41:14 That's it right there. Boom. Go at your knees. Get off those knees. So check this out. All of our episodes have show notes. So you can kind of break down minute by minute what we talk about in each episode.

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