Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 750: How to Avoid Muscle Building Plateaus by Escaping the Breakdown/Recovery Trap

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Starting point is 00:00:41 over three inches long. Yeah, stop. Those butter knives. High those butter knives. High those butter knives. We talked about sucralose and Crohn's disease and also how sucralose may actually, not only kill good bacteria, but promote the growth of bad bacteria.

Starting point is 00:00:54 Watch out for that shell game. Double whammy. We talked about how there's no bad fats found in nature. We love all those natural fats. Stole that from Max. That we did. Thanks Max, Luke of EAR. And then we got into kind of our main topic.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Adam asked me about a blog that I had written on the Breakdown Recovery Trap. Great blog. Now this is, you know, I- That's a trap! I- That is really in there. Oh, that's a good one.

Starting point is 00:01:20 It's the Breakdown Recovery Trap. It's a term we came up with a long time ago. And basically, this is what it means. You go to the gym, you get really sore, you wait a week, let your muscle recover, heal it, no longer hurts anymore. Go back to the gym, follow the same process. But every time you work out, no more progress,

Starting point is 00:01:39 no progress, you're not getting stronger, you're not building any muscle. It's called the breakdown recovery trap because you break your muscle down, recover, break it down, recover, no progress whatsoever. Now in the show notes, you're gonna be able to go right to this. Right, so we're gonna put this in the show. Yeah, you'll be able to go to the blog

Starting point is 00:01:53 and read a little bit more about it, but we talk a lot about it in this episode as well. So they're nice companions. I suggest you obviously listen to the blog, excuse me, listen to the podcast and then read the blog and you'll get the most information that way. Also, this month, I am so shocked at how,

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Starting point is 00:02:36 The original retail price so it's a great Deal if you ask me again free no BS six pack with any bundle or you can get individual maps programs all available on our site mind pump media.com. You know what I'm starting to see get real popular on Instagram? What? Pages that are not human. People are pets. No people are pet. Oh yeah. My boys have a page. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. Maze and Bitlier on their way to fame. You're like, you know, you're like, you're just, you're like those parents that put their

Starting point is 00:03:13 kids in show business. Yeah. I was really, I was really hesitant to do it because I don't know what it's, it's get them an agent. It's gonna hurt my ego when they pass me. Oh, they will. They will. That's it.

Starting point is 00:03:24 Why would you? The way cuter. No, it's like those people that put their kids in show business to get famous, you know? Put your dog. Tell your dog takes it next thing, you know, they're on cocaine and, you know, just doing crazy stuff. You imagine you gotta be careful.

Starting point is 00:03:37 You don't want a dog doing, especially a bull bog doing cocaine. No, what I see that's crazy right now is, I mean, we've seen this since Instagram started and it's more and more popular are the you know Pages of girls that are pretty much naked. I mean, I can't I didn't realize how much you can get away with or going Instagram No, I've never seen those pages Adam Wait a minute you're telling me on Instagram. There's pages of yeah, well I said most of them

Starting point is 00:04:02 I was talking to Katrina about this the other day and I'm like, you know what's crazy, like, or it's crazy for me, I guess at least, and I guess I'm dating myself here. But to see, I mean, my threat is flooded fully because of course I follow all these pages because it's, you know, it's business related. I'm thinking like, okay, these girls have built big, large pages. I got to do my research on exactly what they're doing. Did you follow these pages before Mind Pump? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:29 Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. That was the idea. That's how Mike, if it wasn't for all those pages, we wouldn't have been on the build Mind Pump to where it is today. Exactly. Thank you all you Instagram models for helping me out with the algorithm. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:04:40 No, so really though, a lot of them what do it's it's like it's like modern day prostitution well, well you mean pornography. Oh, you're telling us it's like it's like modern day prostitution and or I guess kind of like pornography too. I mean You get a lot of them build up at large following they get hundreds of thousands of followers some of a millions, right? And then they have a Patreon page, but it's not just give them money or that they have these pages that, and so they put the pictures on Instagram.

Starting point is 00:05:12 Now Instagram doesn't allow you to show nipples or clit or anything like that. So you, they put like a little. A little more than that, but yeah. But little, no, I think you could show top of a vagina. You just can't show clit. Like where you can. Bro, you could show everything.

Starting point is 00:05:24 I'm so careful about you. You could see the line and everything. Yeah, the top of the line. The top of a geno, you just can't show clit. No, you can. Bro, you could show everything. I'm so careful about you, the words Jesus. You could see the line and everything. Yeah, the top of the line. The top of the line. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So, oh really? So anyways, they blur it, they blur just a little bit out.

Starting point is 00:05:35 Camel Toes, okay. Yeah. Stuff just to talk. But you have to, if you want to see full nude, you know, you go to their, their, whatever website they're working with and it's like in exclusive content Yeah, eight or nine dollars a month and now you have access to your favorite Instagram model naked all time And I'm not gonna lie dude if I was a 17 year old boy or so I mean I would be invested here

Starting point is 00:05:56 So it feels okay, so smart business so gee I'm thinking about this because I wasn't familiar this was such a big thing that that part of it I know that I did know that you I think such a big thing that that part of it. I know that I did know that you I think you might have told me that some girls will have like, hey if you want to buy me a gift, no you show me this, hey if you want to buy me gifts, you know, I have like don't they have like where you can go and see the things that they like and then you can buy them stuff. Yeah that's okay that was like an Amazon wish list. Well there's an app for that we were down in LA. Remember that there's I forget the name of it and there's they call these girls, there's an app for that. We are down in LA. Remember that I forget the name of it. And they call these girls something. There's a name for these girls,

Starting point is 00:06:28 where it's like sugar babies. Yes, that's what it was. Well, you know a lot more about this. I'm sorry. It's like he sets me up and then he fires all the answers. It's just logical. You're gonna buy this, the sugar mama, sugar daddy. Oh, yeah, it's just, yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:41 Anybody could have figured that out. Yeah, so they have that, but I'm more fascinating these. So, I mean, and I'm not hating either. I mean, these girls. It's a business. Yeah. You know what, so, I mean, these girls are.

Starting point is 00:06:52 We're just like the webcam girls. I mean, it's just a natural thing that they can help to market and drive traffic towards their, you know, site. It's like, it makes them a lot of money. It's not prostitution because they're not having sex. No. And it's way, I think it's way better, obviously safer.

Starting point is 00:07:04 But here's, so I'm looking at the whole market, and this is what I'm thinking. If I want to see naked pictures and stuff, that's free. It's so free and so available online that it's just, it's ridiculous, right? Port pornography's, I think, sites get more visits than anything else on the internet. But these girls are still having people pay them

Starting point is 00:07:23 to see their naked pictures. So what it makes me think is that they're trying to connect with these followers so that the followers feel like, oh, they know me because they answered my question once or they liked my comment. So because it's different, you know, it's different to look at pictures of a, imagine this, imagine if you're watching porn and then you, you see a girl and you're like, wait a minute, that's the waitress that always serves me coffee every morning at the coffee shop.

Starting point is 00:07:49 It's way more exciting because you feel like you know her. Oh, because you know them, right? Or they might even have interacted. A lot of these girls are smart, they interact with their mean with their audience. No, it's no different than any of the social media business. It's absolutely exciting. Right, but I smarter.

Starting point is 00:08:03 I mean, Jesus, are you trying to supplement for sex? That's what I imagine a 17 year old boy, like you were, like getting a hold of a playboy magazine, we've talked about this before, it was like gold, right? It was such a big deal. But you're flipping through a magazine of girls, you've never seen in your life and probably never will see in your life, right?

Starting point is 00:08:18 Or I definitely not communicate with. If I add the ability to actually follow them on Instagram and text them, they're messaging back and everything like that, and then I'm also getting to see follow them on Instagram and text them their message being back and everything like that, and then I'm also getting to see news and it's only costing me like $7.99 a month. So I had a situation. I would be really, someone is a mind-pump listener and you're like, you're into this business, I'd be so intrigued by the type of revenue that you can make based off of how many followers.

Starting point is 00:08:38 Which is why you're actually in a relationship at that point, right? Basically, you're my girlfriend. Which is why we are creating an Instagram page for Justin because we think there's money. They think there's millions there. There's a lot of money in those cakes. And those cakes are worth quite, we have them in sure, but I'm sure.

Starting point is 00:08:55 I'm doing those crush videos. There's just like smash stuff between my cheeks. Oh. Adam's hand. There might be a market for that. We'll have Sal do the butt shots. What do they call those? You're poor, the waterfall is down your backside.

Starting point is 00:09:09 And Sal takes a shot of it. So what we're talking about reminds me of this. So only one time did I ever run into a situation where I saw someone naked who I knew outside of, you know, that particular sphere or whatever, and it caught me off guard. So I went, let's see, I remember, I'm trying to remember which club I was managing.

Starting point is 00:09:28 It might have been the 24 hour on Sunnyvale. So I'm managing a club, I'm like, I don't know, 20 maybe. And my staff always used to go out once a week, my staff would go party and hang out, whatever. And I never really wanted to with them because I thought, oh, if I crossed that line, might not be a good idea. There was a couple of them that I would go out with, but not I never really wanted to with them because I thought, oh, if I crossed that line, might not be a good idea.

Starting point is 00:09:45 There was a couple of them that I would go out with, but not too many, not all of them. Plus, I was only 20, so I couldn't really go in anywhere, right? I wasn't old enough to drink. But strip clubs, I was old enough. So I remember one particular close out, we did really, really well. We broke some records or something.

Starting point is 00:10:00 And my guys, my sales guys were like, we're taking you out. So they took me to a strip club, and they're like, you know, do you ever? Yeah, they're like, you ever go to, you ever go to the strip club? So I was like, I went to like, one when I was like 18, like I never,

Starting point is 00:10:14 I'm way too good looking for that. Which is true. No, which is true. I never, I think at this point, I'd only gone to strip club maybe once or twice in my entire life, like once when I was 18, and I think that was it. So we walk in, and the girl that's on stage that's dancing was a girl that I used to train

Starting point is 00:10:31 when I was a trainer when I was 18. Wow. It was this Asian girl. She was super shy when I trained her. She would giggle a lot. You know, sweet girl. She was a moderately attractive. We walk in and she's there on stage. She sees me. She runs down,

Starting point is 00:10:47 gives me a big hug. So now everybody's like naked hug. She had, at this point, she wasn't fully naked. Awesome. Naked. At this point, she wasn't fully naked. It's cool. She runs down. Guys, get those. She goes, literally, oh my God, Sal, she runs down, gives me a hug. Of course, now my staff's looking at me, like, oh, you've only come here. You've never come here before. Yeah, but you know my name. I look like a regular, you know what I mean? And she brought me to the stage and this is just whole like new dance for me. And it was the most amazing time ever. And awkward. You know what I mean? Because it was like someone I knew. Well, was she awkward about it? Or is she actually stoked? No, she was excited. Well, there you go. And I was, I wasn't excited till later. Yeah, that's too nervous dude

Starting point is 00:11:26 I remember when we So one of the trainers we like showed me and we realized the trainer that had worked with us was like in a porno and It just blew my mind I know who this is this is crazy About somebody who worked for me. Yes, you know who it is. Of course I knew it. Yeah, well, I don't have any stripper store.

Starting point is 00:11:49 Write down your name on a piece of paper. That's the only one we know. But yeah, that was that, that was weird, man. Yeah, accidental patterns. Accidental point. Yes. What is it? Unexpected.

Starting point is 00:12:00 Unexpected. I just think it, I think it's interesting to see where it's going. And I'm sure there's a huge market for what I'm seeing now too, which is like modern day pimping, is you're seeing, so you see these girls are building pages. Now there's companies that are organizing the websites, so they're better, they're nicer, they're cleaner, they look more professional, they look classy, you know, and then they go find these girls that already have built the social following

Starting point is 00:12:25 of what the half naked pictures and stuff, and then they feature them on this page. So this page now has, you know, 20 or 30 of these Instagram models all on this page, and they charge 799 or 995. So what, so I love, so be a decent sidehouse. You guys know I love, you guys know I love economics, right? I love looking at markets and how things work. Absolutely. So when you look at things like this where you're selling, you know, either nude pictures, a pornography or sex, men don't even come close to the earning potential of women, right?

Starting point is 00:12:57 Like how much money are men making on these Patreon sites? Oh yeah, not really. We're like, hey, for $9, I'll send you throw money at you. I haven't found any of those. Why don't we get started? You know what I'm saying? So could you do a mat or like porn stuff? I'm like, I should start one and just like,

Starting point is 00:13:11 you don't have a competition. Or like, dude, here's the thing. Okay, nobody's paying for dick pics. Nobody wants a pay for that shit. No. No, not at all. Like, male porn stars, half of them work for free. The women make a ton of money. Well, it's sexist.

Starting point is 00:13:24 Well, it needs to be, we need a law. We need a law a ton of money. Well, it's sexist. Well, you need to be We need a law we said it before the market's flooded with dick. That's true That's what it is now the now the and I agree with that you made that statement a long time ago on mine But now the question I have is is the market getting flooded with vagina and ass is tits an ass becoming like it is it overwhelming It is but it's also the demand is so high for it. Yeah. That there's always a market for it. Is it flooded, of course, we could like again.

Starting point is 00:13:52 It's like gold. Yeah, exactly there. It's all like per down. It doesn't matter. It's still there. Well, here's the example. Still holds more money. Could I sell a magazine with random nude models today for $10?

Starting point is 00:14:03 No. Could I sell a magazine with like celebrity nudes? Yes. Could I sell you a magazine of neighbors and people you grew up with, that are naked or whatever? Yeah. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:14:14 So the market's still there. It's just not the same. It's definitely no market for men at all. You're not making any money if you're a dude and you think you're gonna sell money if you're a dude. Well, I'd be curious to see because I'll pick this off personally. Or barely a market. I'd be curious to see him... Because, you know, personally... Or barely on market.

Starting point is 00:14:26 I haven't subscribed to any of these things, so I don't know. I don't know what it would be like to actually be paying monthly on this. I joke about actually doing it when I was younger, but maybe I wouldn't. Maybe their Instagram is enough for me as a young boy like that I would have been like, uh, I don't want to pay 79 and that cuts into my baseball card funds every month, you know what I'm saying? Like, maybe I would... Nobody collects baseball cards. I remember we were talking about old me.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Oh, yeah. This is old me. Oh no, back then you would have paid everything. Yeah, you're saying that. Well, you say that. You said that. But if you have access to the Instagram, I mean, if you have access to their Instagram and their whole page is like pretty close to new, I mean, their Instagram,

Starting point is 00:15:03 a low allows Playboy newt. Like that you can be Playboy newt on Instagram now. Well, you can't be hustler. You can't be hustler newt or girl next door newt. Or pen house. Yeah, or pen house newt, but you can be Playboy newt on Instagram. Like old Playboy newt.

Starting point is 00:15:19 Yeah, you know that, right? 1950s Playboy newt. Yeah, like champagne bottles and living cover in your hoo-ha. Right. Oh my God, I know exactly the picture. You're talking Larry. I know the exact nude picture you're talking about with the champagne bottle.

Starting point is 00:15:32 How weird is that? It's not weird. What does that make us like some kind of brother? Blizzard Brothers. Oh, that's some of those. No, just, whoa. Whoa, I don't know. I just know brothers.

Starting point is 00:15:43 Too far. You know, I like the Ramon shirt you're wearing right now. Thanks, Ben, I don't know, I just know brothers. I'm too far, you know, I like the, the Ramon shirt you're wearing right now. Thanks, man. I do too, I thought it came out great. Wait, let me see. It makes me want to rock and roll. Oh, that's the Mind Pump one.

Starting point is 00:15:53 Why don't I get these new socks? I don't even have, I don't care. Because I, I requested it specifically for myself. Bro, I don't even, I don't even take any more of our shirt, I have a whole section that is like mind pump map stuff. It's ridiculous, dude. I'll never need to buy a t-shirt. Never get.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Listen, I'm ready to rock and roll. You know, like that's like my mentality these days. So I'm just, you know, I want to embody that, you know, for you guys. No. I do. We were all the same. I knew it.

Starting point is 00:16:23 I knew you guys were doing that. We both just let's just go for a second. Like, whoa. I get really uncomfortable. That wasn't uncomfortable. knew it. I knew you guys were doing that. We thought it was just to go for a second. Like, whoa. And get real uncomfortable. Oh, that wasn't uncomfortable. Dude, so I think you should, I could put it on that silence. I think you should lead an interview today. Just lead it.

Starting point is 00:16:33 Just go with it. Yeah. We should interview Sal today. You want to interview Sal? Yeah, I think we should just go with that. I thought we were talking about, we were talking about a blog and we were talking about like Instagram. I'm the easiest person to interview.

Starting point is 00:16:44 You ever, you know what I'm saying? You'd be like, hey, Sal, I'm going to do a show where we talk about you. I'm the easiest person to interview. Cross-example. You know what I'm saying? You'd be like, hey, Sal, I'm gonna do a show where we talk about you and I'm like, cool. Yeah. I'll do that on Tim Lach. It's my favorite subject. Dude, so check this out. I don't know if you guys saw this in the news.

Starting point is 00:16:55 I did it, so I didn't, it's the story post where it's a picture of a butter knife and it's. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I didn't get that one. Would that mean? You didn't get that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, about their guns. Yeah, like you want my gun come and take it, you know what I mean? So we're it's like poking fun at the UK with the butter knife because what what what only allow knives No, this is not no because so and it's a London First off the UK Extremely strict in comparison to the US

Starting point is 00:17:39 Extremely strict gun laws almost nobody owns guns in the UK except for criminals right so you know just the bad guys have guns which is good idea I guess but anyway so in London just recently London's murder rate just surpassed New York cities murder rate now both similar size cities similar population a lot of serious but their their murder rate just passed it just passed The New York cities they don't have guns so the mayor Goes on the news basically and he's like the mayor of what the mayor of London mayor Sadik Khan Says

Starting point is 00:18:18 I mean, I got a very British name. No, not at all. It's it's already illegal to carry a knife That's longer than three inches in public without good reason basically. It's already illegal to carry a knife that's longer than three inches in public, without good reason. Basically, it's not for work. That's so short. You get caught with it. Yeah, you get caught with it. They even make them that small.

Starting point is 00:18:32 No, they tell it's like a Swiss army knife. Pee-pee-poo. Yeah, exactly. It's like to clean your nails. So if you get caught with a knife bigger than that, you get big trouble. So then he does a post, a tweet or whatever, and he says, no excuses.

Starting point is 00:18:44 There's never reason to carry a knife anyone who does so will be caught and they will feel the full force of the law and what he's doing is he's telling the police to like frisk people who they think have knives on them that are you know bigger than three inches or whatever. Cooligins. God how hilarious. You know what I think jokes that you have to explain to people are less funny though. Well, I was like, I saw that one. He's like, he's buttering out.

Starting point is 00:19:11 I'm like, I was going through, I was going through Sal's memes and I'm like, a dying laughing in the middle. You know, it's really my mom. I didn't always hit one where I'm like, okay, that one, I didn't get that one. Sorry, that's like my jet ski joke, you know, the other day on the mind pump IG, it was bad. The jet ski joke? Yeah, you didn't see it. Yeah, it was.

Starting point is 00:19:26 No, what do you do? It's completely bombed. I was doing a caustic squat. It looked like to me in my head, it looked like I was jet skiing. And I'm like, it's jet ski season. Get out your sunblock or something like that. Everyone's like, it went way over by his head.

Starting point is 00:19:39 You got no, no response. Nothing. Nothing. Ice cold. I've been on a cold street lately. So what do you guys think about this knife thing that they're doing over there? What are they gonna do when they,

Starting point is 00:19:50 when they, when murder rates keep going up and people are using like hammers and shit? Or cars, right? Or other stuff. Well, first of all, boxes. I thought London is significantly bigger than New York. I thought, it's not true. Population-wise, it's comparable. Yeah, oh, it's comparable.

Starting point is 00:20:04 Cause London, I think, is the biggest city in the world. Yeah, no, up there. Or Hong Kong. Who is it? It's definitely not. What is it, Doug? Doug knows this. I think it's Shanghai.

Starting point is 00:20:13 Oh, really? I feel like Doug just said Shanghai properly. Shanghai. Shanghai. I thought it was Shanghai, though. No, I thought it was Shanghai. That's what I thought, too. Did my saying it wrong, Doug?

Starting point is 00:20:24 Or Shanghai? I don't know. I'm just trying to be fancy. No, I thought it was Shanghai. That's what I thought too. Did my singing it wrong, Doug? Or shung high? I don't know, I'm just trying to be fancy. Oh, shit. I'm just, you know what, he pulled a salonist right there. Speaking of fancy, my daughter, my daughter says, she was talking and she was making up this accent. I love her since a humor. And I'm like, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:20:42 She's like, I'm trying to talk at Curse of, who said that? My daughter. That's like, I'm trying to talk at Curse of... Who said that? My daughter. That's hilarious. I thought that was so brilliant. She really said that. Yeah, I'm speaking super witty. I'm like, wow, that is really smart.

Starting point is 00:20:53 Yeah. So anyway, good luck, good luck London. I hope everybody gets safe. Here's the way I look at it. Man, if I'm in a city where murder rate skyrocketing, I'm carrying something. So I know pepper sprays are All these murders attributed to knives. It's gangs and muggings and whatever. Yeah, like switch blades.

Starting point is 00:21:10 Like what kind of weapons they have no idea. They hold. So you know what? There is one place that has the strictest like it's like so old school like the strictest laws like no knives, no guns, no like super, super strict and they make shivs instead, it's called prison. Yeah, you should see how many people are interesting. Yeah, so many people get stabbed in there. That happened. Anyway, so there's another article I want to share with you guys

Starting point is 00:21:34 on Super Lose, and it was a study that just recently came out. Which one is Splenda? Splenda Super Lose, right, Doug? Yes, that's correct. Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it when you answer. So Splenda promotes, this is a study that was published. March 15th, 2018, it is a new study.

Starting point is 00:21:57 Splenda promotes gut, proto-proteo bacteria, dysbiosis, and another big word with Crohn's disease, can't pronounce the word, I'm going to try and pronounce it, myelop peroxidase reactivity. So what they're showing is that if people with Crohn's or something consume Splenda, the odds of them getting massive flare-ups is quite high. And of course, they're showing really not good for the gut microbiome, not good at all. And you know, crons being an autoimmune issue, just more evidence that these artificial sweeteners are probably not a good idea, or at least not a good idea for people with potential inflammatory issues. You know what I'm saying? I know Adam once you stopped drinking artificial sweeteners,

Starting point is 00:22:49 what did you notice with it? Because you were a big consumer. You were bringing this up because you seem to be right now. I know. I know. He's holding this up. Try to set me up right now, right? Because I've been here with her and take them out. I have a monster drink today. And I've been a little homage to her.

Starting point is 00:23:03 I'm from out of our friend Dr. Lee Norton. So my girl occasionally buys these and she gets them two for five dollars and everyone's while she leaves one in the fridge and this morning I was getting up and I was like you know what I just feel like something a little bit different today I'm gonna have a monster cancer drink and so I pop that open I've been sipping on that today so you'll just want cancer you a monster right right yeah no I notice you I notice myself retaining water. It's the biggest thing that I notice. I wonder if that's from inflammation.

Starting point is 00:23:28 It could be. I don't know. I don't know. So when I was competing like the Coke Zero's and the artificial sweeteners were kind of the last things that I would clean out of the diet. So I typically take the bigger rocks that we're going to make the biggest difference in changing my physique.

Starting point is 00:23:44 And then as I got closer to stage, I would start to even cut those out because I did notice like my body responds better when it's not in there. So, but it's also because what the study is showing is that and there's other studies that show stuff like this also is that it's a sucralose kills or weakens or or damages your good bacteria, but then it promotes the expansion of bad bacteria. So, it's like a double whammy. Not only is it hurting a lot of the beneficial bacteria, but now it's also promoting the

Starting point is 00:24:14 expansion of bacteria that may cause problems, including, and they did this study on mice, E. coli overgrowth. So, I always wonder, like, with things like that, do you think we are, and I think I know the answer, sorry, but I want to hear you articulate it. Do you think it is more risky to have your Coke Zero, your monsters, your artificial sweeteners when you are in a calorie deficit or if you're in a calorie surplus? Context always matters right so calorie surplus In many cases not every but in many cases

Starting point is 00:24:50 Probably may promote inflammation may you may not be as healthy now you can be unhealthy with a deficit too and just like you can with a surplus So context matters, but I think if you're eating a lot your gaining body fat You you're not healthy and then on top of, you throw artificial sweeteners. It's got to be a lot worse. That's what I think. Yeah, it's got to be a lot worse. The way I've always used it, it's been kind of like, you know, if I'm not having anything to eat, that's been kind of like a, this gives me this sweet. Like when I was competing and restricting from so much, it's like, okay, it gives me this sweet taste that I just

Starting point is 00:25:23 do not have in the diet whatsoever. So, I've always thought that it was a lesser evil if I was allowing it in there when I'm in this, you know, calorie restrictive diet versus, you know, pouring it on with, you know, like you see, which is really common, somebody goes through a fast food restaurant and then they order a diet coke. You know, it's like you're eating this 2000 calorie fucking bomb. Oh, I see what you're saying, especially in a meal. Right. I could see that being a big problem. Right, that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:25:49 Because it usually doesn't follow. It's not like, many times you consume these things. Well, in our world and fitness, when are people, yes, see, there's another one. Sukalos may worsen Crohn's disease symptoms. We've done this for a long time. You're, many times when you're consuming supplements, which most supplements, unless they're natural, are flavored artificially, and most of the artificially

Starting point is 00:26:12 flavored supplements use sucralose, because a while ago, aspartame was demonized, so they all went to sucralose. So think about the context, right? If you're consuming a supplement that's artificially sweetened, it's either in an inflammatory state because it's post workout or intro workout or you may be consuming it with other products

Starting point is 00:26:31 and supplements on a regular basis. So that all makes a difference, right? That should make a huge difference. I think it's like the, you know, we're playing charades here with the, right? I don't know if that's the right metaphor. It's not like we're playing charades if that's the right metaphor. It's not so acted out. We're playing the charades.

Starting point is 00:26:47 What's the like the fucking road? Rochambo on the pitch. No, no, no, no. No, it's like we put, we find out an artificial sweetener is like Asperrtaim. The old switcheroo. Yeah, right. And then we, then we come up with a new one.

Starting point is 00:26:59 That's not the game I was thinking of though. I don't know. That's charades. Come on, dad. I don't know if that's a real game. I see Jack's brain being racked to there. He's like, I know I'm good at these games. Trimial pursuit. Yeah. So that was a bad metaphor. Sorry, but that's a rampant water. You know, it's

Starting point is 00:27:11 like rams and water. They keep ramping up and now with me too much, man. They just keep, they just keep replacing it. It reminds me of the same pro hormone or, you know, designer steroid race or game that we used to play in the

Starting point is 00:27:23 supplement. You got a Doug. Shell game. Yes, Doug, thank you. That was the game of the word I was like, I like Shell game, not Sherey game. I was close. Thank you, Doug. I didn't even know there was a game called the Shell game. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I know that was called something.

Starting point is 00:27:38 Thank you, Doug. What's the Ro Shambot? I feel like that's Ro. Rock 5 for scissors. That's Rock 5 for scissors. Ro. And Sherey, it's the one where scissors row and charades is the one you act out You act out whatever you act out the

Starting point is 00:27:49 Roe shambot Yeah, I have no idea, but that's just what it's called But don't you think that's what's happening with like all and you know Our buddies over with no foods. What's the new the new artificial sweet oh? Starts with an a yes. Yes. Yes. I've been What's the new artificial sweetener? Oh, it starts with an A. Yes, yes, I've been wondering about that. That's the big one, it's on the thing. Alulose, yes, quest. Alulose, quest.

Starting point is 00:28:10 I'm wondering, quest is onto it. How they got things to taste so damn good without using all these normal artificial sweetener. And so my prediction is we're gonna see some of the similar things that we've seen with Aspertaim and now Sukirlos. I think you're going to see with, is it Alulos or Al, I don't know how to pronounce it. That's Alulos, it's I'm sure there are already,

Starting point is 00:28:33 like looking for the next sweetener that they can sort of shuffle to once that. Right, so it's a shell game for that. So if you do that, we just pull that out with place with something. Alulos, I don't know if it's synthetic. It's classified as a rare sugar because it's naturally present in a few foods.

Starting point is 00:28:47 Wheat, figs, and raisins contain it. Interesting. 70 to 84% of the all you lost you consume is absorbed into your blood. Yeah, but again, what they do is they take it from these natural things. They extract it and then when we fucking multiply it by a thousand times and put it in,

Starting point is 00:29:04 yeah, process the fuck out of it. Yeah, that's true. And you have to ask yourself, was our body's designed to be able to intake a concentrated form of it that much all the time? And maybe in small doses of it, or maybe if you compare it to those levels, it's not a big deal,

Starting point is 00:29:20 but I think over time, as you start consuming all these foods that have it, I think it's inevitable. We're gonna be going down the same path that we are with Asperta and the other ones. And when will this end? I mean, how many different, how many hundreds of different types of sugars are there? There's a lot, right?

Starting point is 00:29:37 There's a lot of different things that can make things taste sweet, that have less calories or whatever. Really interesting. You've got to, I mean, that's a good point. It's like, they'll figure something out. They'll see, is this legal? Cool.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Does it show, you know, are there lots of studies on it? Maybe not. Well, the ones that exist, what do they show? It might be safe. We think it might be safe. Cool. We'll use that. Right. And that seems to be the,

Starting point is 00:30:00 I doubt we have nowhere near as many studies on allulose as we had on aspartame. And once we do have that many of it, but we're gonna start to see some correlation. Is it like Divya already sort of becoming like super condensed where it's become problematic? Because they're just like using it. There's more and more processed forms now.

Starting point is 00:30:18 Yeah, and a lot more of you have to make it. Yeah, and even Stivia, it looks, Stivia is a, although it's a relatively low calorie or almost no calorie natural, you know, sugar substitute, it's still a plant that has some potential actions in the body. Right. Well, it's that mouse study. Well, so here's the things, uh, stevia has been used for a long time by, you know, different cultures. So there's different kinds of evidence that you use when you're looking at what you can look at.

Starting point is 00:30:48 There's the, how many scientific studies have been done, evidence? And then there's the, how long is this particular thing been consumed by people? And what do we see there? Which one is more trustworthy? Well, if you have both, that's the best. But I would, I'm more likely to trust,

Starting point is 00:31:04 like if an herb came out, let's say in Chinese herb came out and it's been used for 10,000 years in China. And you're going to learn a lot about that herb or know if it's safe or dangerous and what it causes because it's been used for a lot of people. Historically, yeah, you can go back and look at the population and how everybody was affected. That's it. And what's funny about that is when they come out and take these herbs that have these proposed benefits or whatever and side effects that we've known about for 10,000 years, and then we study it

Starting point is 00:31:31 scientifically, we end up confirming it. Of course, like, oh, okay, Jin-Sing does do this or it doesn't do that. Or here's a side effects of a, like a Fedra, for example. A Fedra is present in Mahuong, which is a, a Natsuch. It sounds like a mid-up to your blip. Ma Huang.

Starting point is 00:31:46 It sounds like it just made up that word. Yeah. That's a natural herb that's been used in Chinese medicine for a very long time. And Ma Huang is used for asthma to treat lung conditions because it interacts with receptors and lungs that opens them up and helps you breathe. And in fact, it does this to the sinuses as well.

Starting point is 00:32:06 That's why pseudofed, which is pseudo-ephedrin, helps open things up or whatever. It's been used for a long time, but in Chinese medicine, they'll tell you all the side effects. Don't use this, if you're nervous, if you're anxious, can cause speedy heart rate. Don't use this for too long. Here's how much you use.

Starting point is 00:32:21 Because they've been doing it for 10,000 years, you know what I'm saying? Did you see the, I think Max, I know you guys all follow Max now. I love Max. I know he he puts out some really cool cool statements and he did one on fat. I want to find it so I can I can plug him. Oh, about the process. Yeah, just like there's there are no bad fats found in nature. Yeah, and I think that's such a great statement when you think about that. The only fats that are bad are the ones that we've, we've, we've, we've rocked here. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:49 Now, the ones you do find in nature, you can make them bad by, like, for example, olive oil, which is a very, very healthy fat. If you cook with it, it can make it unhealthy because it's not stable. Right. It's your temperature. Yeah. So you want to eat it, you know, in its natural state, which is just, yeah, it's just last post right here.

Starting point is 00:33:08 It says, yeah, nature doesn't make bad fats. Humans do. Yep, yep. It's such a great state. Saturated fats are what you want to use for cooking because they're really stable. So the funny thing is back in the day, you know, what are you? You know, what are you? You know, what are you?

Starting point is 00:33:20 You know, what are you? Bad, lard, used to sound to everybody. Oh, yeah, like, that's one of the best things. That's one of the best things. That's one of the best things you could use, right? So if you're gonna fry or cook at high temperatures, yeah, Lord, that's what you want to use. Because it's stable.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Oh, these cultures had it right, man. That's right, because it's stable. McDonald's used to fry the French fries in beef tally. Do you guys know that? I did, when we were kids. When we were kids, McDonald's French fries were, they were fried in beef tallow. And then the story goes, I'm not sure if this is true. So this is just, yeah,

Starting point is 00:33:51 it's something I remember so I already said one on the formal correct. Yeah, if so, but I'm usually right. So anyway, a vegan, I'll argue it, a vegan sued McDonald's because they bought the french fries and then they learned later that it was fried in beef tallow. And so then in McDonald's now, now and for a while, now fries their French fries in vegetable oil. And the story goes that in order to keep it so that it tastes the same, they had to add more shit to it so that it tastes like it did before. Fucking vegans.

Starting point is 00:34:23 So they soon went it up for all of this? Why just because they weren't like full disclosure with like what you tell me Oh, well you remember there was a small there was a kick there What what started the now you have to put the calories up there when people were suing these fast food restaurants for getting fat Remember that yeah, that was about what 10 years ago or so We're on there. I think that's, I always found that hilarious. That's hilarious, dude. It's that you sue a fast food restaurant. Holy California, you did this to me.

Starting point is 00:34:49 You did this to me. Yeah, really. This body, I hate it. Which ironically, now that the calories are up there, people are eating more. Yeah, it's actually had the opposite effect. Yeah, because people look at the menu that's the posts like how many calories.

Starting point is 00:35:04 And instead of being like, oh wow, that burger's a hundred less calories, I'll probably get that one. Instead they're like, wow, if I had bacon and only I had the hundred calories, cool. I'm gonna throw some big ones. I imagine being the CFO of like McDonald's when they first found out they're gonna have to put calories

Starting point is 00:35:17 and like, oh no, we're fucked. People are gonna find out it's times the calories and like, oh shit, we're making more money. Oh, the salad has like more calories and this triple cheeseburger I'm going triple-cheap dude. I remember the first time I looked up a jack in the box All right, cuz back in my early trainer days We do shit like that right. Yeah, it's crazy And I used to eat like the Cobb salad from there and it's like 1700 calories

Starting point is 00:35:40 I should get the ultimate jack dude. I remember yeah I remember that when it was at the cheesecake factory and I looked at the breakdown and the salad itself cops out or one of the other sauce too was the highest on the menu. Yes. So what?

Starting point is 00:35:55 And you just see these ladies just like eating it, like going to town. Yeah, I mean a salad. I've gained weight and I've only, I just see three salads a day and I'm gaining weight. I must have a damaged metabolism. No, you know, it's fun, we laugh about this, but this is something that Taylor keeps trying to remind me

Starting point is 00:36:10 about us is like, you know, you gotta remember to visit some of these things that we think is just so obvious that wasn't that obvious for a lot of people. Yeah, that you think that you're going to get a salad somewhere and you think, I'm making it. Buttermilk crouton is probably not a good idea to throw in there. Yeah, exactly, no, no. And you know, you're going to get a salad somewhere, or do you think I'm making it? Buttermilk Crouton is probably not a good idea

Starting point is 00:36:25 to throw in there. Yeah, exactly. No, no, no. And you know, you're right at him, because like, we have, this is, I just had this conversation the other day with our team that manages our marketing and stuff. And they were telling me to,

Starting point is 00:36:39 they wanted me to write more blogs. Whenever I write a blog, we get more interaction than when some of our other authors write blogs. And by the way, we have some great authors. We've done a really good job picking some awesome people to write some good content. And so they are encouraging me to write more. And they tell me like write about like basic stuff.

Starting point is 00:36:59 Like people, you think, they were telling me like you think people don't want to hear this because you think everybody knows this But they don't nobody does right so revisit some of these you know these these early topics or whatever because you know What I consider you know common knowledge for me is for these people Mind blowing so I've been doing that and I don't have you guys seen some of the way what's one of the last ones that you just What's one of the last ones that you just wrote the The one you messaged me on was the breakdown recovery trap. Yeah. Which, early on when Doug and I first put together maps

Starting point is 00:37:30 and then we're trying to market it, that was one of the first videos I wanted to film. In fact, I think we might have filmed. Did we film a video on this years ago? Yeah, that was one of the ones you showed me. When we first, before we even met, one of the first videos that you sent to me was the breakdown recovery chapter You and I thought it was brilliantly brilliantly put together and was like dude

Starting point is 00:37:52 This is the message that more people need to hear and it hit me home with me because I was like man This was a lot of how I trained for so many years and I remember when that, that was a paradigm shattering. Shrain hard, recover, super hard. Yeah, I remember when I started coming back off or not going to failure and to rep short of failure and seeing the gains that I was seeing, I was like, man, it is not about hammering like you think it is. And so, no, it's a trap.

Starting point is 00:38:20 A lot of people get, and mainly because, I don't know about you, but for me, I thought recovery meant adaptation. I sort of died. I thought I used to explain to people, clients, exactly this, when you come in the gym, we break down, we break down, we tear fibers, then when you go home, it means good.

Starting point is 00:38:39 Right, we break down, we tear a bunch, when you go home, you rest, you recover, you feed, and then they grow, they repair, they strengthen, they adapt. That was exactly the way it made sense to me when I was first coming up. And that's not what's, that's not really what's happening. The, the, the, the,

Starting point is 00:38:54 we're separate mechanism, right? They're separate, yeah. The recovery is healing. So when you damage your body and the gym, when you work out really hard and get really sore, your body aims to heal. Now, that damage can send an adaptation signal. So here's a difference between recovering adaptation. Recovery is healing. Adaptation is your body aiming to become more resilient to future stresses

Starting point is 00:39:18 or to become better at what you do most. That's what adaptation is. So if I'm sending a signal to my body that says, it would be beneficial for me to be stronger so that I don't hurt myself when I keep doing this or it would be beneficial for me to be stronger because I'm obviously doing a lot of this. And so the body's always trying to be better, I'm more efficient at what you do a lot of. That's what adaptation is, but healing is not that.

Starting point is 00:39:46 So you can hammer your body, because this is what I used to think. I used to go to the gym, I get, and a lot of people still do this. I get really sore, and then I'd be like, okay, I'm sore, so I need to recover. And then the soreness would go away, and I'd be like, okay, I'm cool now, I'm done.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Right. Let me go back and work out again and start the cycle over. And when it's up happening with this particular cycle of hammer your body, get sore, wait for a to rest, recover, which usually is a better week or five days or something like that, especially if you hit it really hard, then you go back to the gym and you're at the same spot. It's like there's no progress. Like, okay, I got sore last week.

Starting point is 00:40:20 I feel like I recovered. I wasn't soaring anymore. Why am I not building muscle? And it was to the point where the argument became, well, maybe you're not I recovered. I wasn't soaring more. Why am I not building muscle? And it was to the point where the argument became, well, maybe you're not fully recovered. Remember that? Like maybe you need to rest longer in between body parts.

Starting point is 00:40:33 A body builder who's popular in the 70s and 80s, Mike Menser used to talk about this a lot and used to tell people that they just needed to rest longer. And he would have sometimes people hit a body part once every two weeks because, well, obviously you didn't come back stronger. That meant, it means you needed to give your body longer in between workouts, which is the exact opposite.

Starting point is 00:40:53 Oh, yeah. And I remember the first, the very first time I realized that training a sore muscle actually would cause it sometimes to grow and adapt even faster. Blue my mind. This was, I remember specifically when I first encountered this, I was working out, I've been working out for a long time, but I was training to get fit because me and my family were going to Italy. And I hadn't seen my family in Italy since I was maybe 12.

Starting point is 00:41:26 So it'd been, you know, at least I think it was like 10 years since I'd seen anybody in my Sicilian family. And they all knew I was into fitness, they all knew I worked out, they all knew I was a personal trainer. So I wanted to like impress them and plus my family really values like physical strength and all that stuff. So I'm like, I wanna get really in good shape,

Starting point is 00:41:45 but I wanna get really lean and cut because I'm gonna be going to the beach. And this was the first time I really got myself down to being able to see like a visible, like good six pack besides when I was like a 13 year old boy and I was skinny as hell. And so I remember thinking, I'm gonna try training my whole body

Starting point is 00:42:01 twice a week instead of once a week. Cause up until this point, it was all body parts split up until like 21, 22. I would train chest on Monday, I know the exact split, it was chest Monday, back Wednesday, shoulders, excuse me, back on Tuesday, shoulders Wednesday, arm, the next day then it was legs and then core, if I came on Saturday, which I never did.

Starting point is 00:42:23 So it was like one body know, one body part, a day type of thing and you rest a week and hit the body part again. So I thought, well, I'm gonna try hitting everything twice a week and see what happens. So I started combining body parts. So like Monday would be like chest, shoulders, and triceps and Tuesday was back and biceps and Wednesday was legs

Starting point is 00:42:40 and then I repeat the cycle so six days a week. And I remember going back to the gym and thinking, oh man, I'm still sore, like my chest is still sore from Monday's workout, is this gonna be a good idea to like work it out again? It was so specific. That specific split you mentioned

Starting point is 00:42:54 has been like the formula for so many years. Yeah, yeah. And so I remember I went to the gym, I'm like, I'm still sore. This is so counter to what I thought was, I was supposed to do, but what I'm gonna do instead then is I'm gonna go really easy, which so instantiatively I knew I should go easy.

Starting point is 00:43:12 So I went in, went easy, worked out, and I was tripping out over the weeks that my body was just, I was building muscle, which was weird to me because I was training my body while I was still sore. And then I started realizing, oh, if I don't go to failure, then I can train a little harder on these workouts. And that, you know, that of course led me to, you know, training more frequency and all that stuff. And then I started to understand, wait a minute, because then I thought, I did this thought experiment

Starting point is 00:43:36 with myself. And I've actually given this example many times in the podcast. I thought to myself, okay, what if I hit a body part like crazy heart? Like, let's say I wanted to build my arms and I went to the gym and I did like 45 sets to failure. Like, I just went nuts, like just cr...crushed my biceps, crushed my triceps, and then laid in bed all day long up until the next week to work it out. So all I did was hammer my body and then give my body everything it needs to rest and recover. Literally just lay in bed and drink, you know, weight gainers and eat food and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:44:11 And I knew through that thought experiment that what would happen is I'd lose muscle. I knew this because I had injured my leg before. I had injuries where you couldn't move a body part. And when it ends up happening, you actually feet very fast, very quickly. Like put your arm in the cast, do it for a week, and watch how much muscle you lose in that week.

Starting point is 00:44:28 Even if you work it out really hard beforehand. So I started to put together this idea that maybe recovery, maybe that wasn't really what adaptation was. Maybe that was just healing. And so then, that's what the blog is about, is about this breakdown recovery trap that people get stuck in, and they don't realize that, you know, damage, although that can signal adaptation. It's not the only thing that signals adaptation and

Starting point is 00:44:53 that, you know, damage, you know, promotes recovery. And if you keep hammering damage, if you keep pushing damage, your body will prioritize recovery. Because think about it, when your body is presented with two options of adapting or healing all this fucking damage that's happening right now, it's gotta focus on the healing part and you're just not gonna progress. I still remember when this like light bulb went off for me,

Starting point is 00:45:14 and it was, I don't know, it was a good 10 years ago or so, and it kinda accidentally happened. And I remember reading stuff about, after your body's recovered, it only takes about three days for atrophy to begin to kick in, and then I thought, well, shit, if that's the case, by day six, I'm already going the other direction,

Starting point is 00:45:31 hitting it once a week makes no sense. If I'm atrophying after three days after recovery, like, frequency, I've got to pick that up somehow. I remember reading that, and then I remember, it fell in a time when I was really training, really hard and consistent, and I was heading into a two-week vacation. In fact, it was like the first two-week vacation I had taken in like my entire career working in the gym ministry and we had just grand open the Milpitas location, 24-hour fitness.

Starting point is 00:45:57 And I had all the time in the world and I didn't have anything really planned to do and I was on my workout kick and so I and my buddy was managing that gym at the time so I would bring my food to the gym and I hung out the gym all day. What I would do is I'd start off, I'd walk, and kind of back then, we didn't call it priming, but I was like getting my body ready and priming and stuff, get into a workout. After the workout, sit down, bullshit with him for a little bit of eat, but I basically split a high volume workout over like three workouts in the day.

Starting point is 00:46:26 And I only had two weeks to really do that. And I was pretty consistent. That way I saw the most gains in my body in two weeks that I'd ever seen before. And it was like holy shit. And that was kind of when that frequency light bulb went off that I had been, I would had been under training so many of my muscles for so long. And that was probably what was contributing to the plate toes that I've been. And I had really seen it really develop

Starting point is 00:46:48 and change in my legs because I remember, I was always that guy, I could only hit legs once a week. Because you went super hard. Yes, because I would do 24 to 30 sets, you know, wanting to vomit. And you gotta get your hamstrings and you gotta get your claws. Oh, like isolated minutes. Oh, imagine that. And imagine being six get your claws. It's like like isolated minutes.

Starting point is 00:47:05 Oh, imagine that. And imagine being six three, bro, it's a long ways, man. That's a lot of movement, a lot of blood, a lot of calories. You know what sucks about that being in that situation is if you're somebody that doesn't put in a lot of hard work and your body isn't looking the way you want, you're not developing muscle the way you want,

Starting point is 00:47:23 well, you can always be like, well, I'm not working out that hard, but I mean, we're all similar in this respect. If we all want something bad enough, we're gonna fucking work. Yeah, work is not gonna be the missing piece. Yeah, that's not gonna be the missing piece. How frustrating is it when, you know, like you,

Starting point is 00:47:38 you want to develop your legs or skinny, you're like, fuck, I wanna make these legs grow. So you do what you think is right, which is go to the gym, work out for two hours, beat the shit out of yourself, and then your legs still don't grow. It's like you're doing everything, you're busting your ass, you can barely walk for three, four days,

Starting point is 00:47:55 and you're still not growing, you're thinking to yourself, it'll never happen. When I made that switch over, and it was such an, I went like it's such an easy transition. I just went, okay, I'm gonna start splitting that up over that workout over three days was such an, I went like it's such an easy transition. I just went, I just went, okay, I'm going to start splitting that up over that workout over three days, you know, and it felt like I was almost cheating myself. The first time. I remember that I was like, I didn't even have like a massive pump from it.

Starting point is 00:48:16 I wasn't sweating. I didn't get nauseous. I was like, okay, you need a spotter. Oh, good. And then then to see my legs just start to balloon up from that. I thought, oh my God, I wish somebody would have fucking told me this a long time ago. I would have, you know how many leg workouts

Starting point is 00:48:31 were stepping off the curb, I fell, you know, or laying in the gym afterwards, or vomiting afterwards, like so many workouts like that. You guys bring that up and it's very much from a muscle building perspective. Like I'm in the gym and, you know, I'm trying to build muscles and look bigger and like from a muscle building perspective. Like I'm in the gym and, you know, I'm trying to build muscles and look bigger and like from a body building.

Starting point is 00:48:48 Like I had the same exact experience, but more from athletics. Like we were in the gym altogether as a team and I just remember specifically hitting, and targeting, and isolating muscles, which we were doing like body builder workouts and then right after that, like the next day, we go to practice and do movement drills.

Starting point is 00:49:07 And I just remember being so fucking sore and ineffective like in my movements. I was like, I just hated it. And then later on just intuitively, I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna max on this bench or this squat today. And once I started to do that, it was like, oh, I could move better.

Starting point is 00:49:28 And like, you know, my body was responding more. And then I kept doing that. And then on top of that started to combine legs like it's just like with you. Like we're doing legs all one day. I'm like, I'm doing cleans. I'm doing back squats. You know, I'm doing leg curls. I'm doing, you know, leg extensions. And I'm like, dude, doing cleans, I'm doing back squats, I'm doing leg curls, I'm doing leg extensions

Starting point is 00:49:47 and I'm like, dude, my legs were just fucked. That being said, I feel like there's more validity to a athlete doing that than a body, but someone who's trying to sculpt their body, right? Cause with you building your gas tank and pushing yourself to failure, so like that, it definitely, I think it hinders your building muscle, but I think it does serve you at least on...

Starting point is 00:50:09 Stretch is your capacity. Your capacity, your stamina, your workload. I think it does well for that. But if you're a bodybuilder, you're gonna fuck about that. I don't care about workload or capacity or stamina. You know what I'm saying? I get on stage or I take my shirt off. I want to look fucking badass. But? Like I get on stage or take my shirt off, like I wanna look fucking badass.

Starting point is 00:50:26 But still I would build more muscle which then, you know, like I could carry that into the season. We're doing this in the off season, thinking that, you know, like obviously, like the endurance portion of it, if I was to kind of push that like further, further into it, like closer to actual season time, if I timed it right, it would have been way more effective. It's just, it's so crazy when I'm sitting here listening to you guys talk and I'm thinking

Starting point is 00:50:51 and it's so crazy how wrong the fitness industry has been with a lot of the things that they've been preaching. It's insane because it's been around for a little while. Do you think it's more so wrong or do you think that it's the message that they want to give because it's what sets you up for the other shit? Oh, no, no, no. I don't think it's unintentional.

Starting point is 00:51:13 I think it's intentional. But think about it this way, when fitness advice was first coming out, muscle building advice was first coming out, they recommended what we talk about on the show all the time. They talked about training the body frequently. They talked about not lifting the fit. I know this because I buy, you can buy some of these old fitness books from the old timers,

Starting point is 00:51:36 old strongmen or whatever. And you can, I mean, they're not great books, but I'm a bit of a muscle building historian, right? I love reading stuff on Eugene, Sandel, or Lewis Kair, and all these other old-timers. Can you remind me, since you said it's already interrupt you, but you just said something that I wanted to revisit that conversation that our audience never got to hear

Starting point is 00:51:57 because Barbara Schrandy-Campon. And we're hooking up with Galpin when we're in Paleo in a couple weeks now. We should do the whole podcast about that. Yes, yes, please remember to, he, in my opinion, is probably the only person I know that knows even more than Sal in this area. Like he's such a great person to get that into conversation.

Starting point is 00:52:17 So anyway, you look at all these old muscle building books and they're recommending stuff that works. And then it got changed. And I think part of it is, you know, Annabelle steroids, I think the event, the promotion of machines and equipment, because let's be honest, if you're doing 20 sets for chest on one day, the odds that you're

Starting point is 00:52:39 going to want to use machines is going to be much higher than if you did, you know, seven sets, you know, today, seven sets another day, because then you end up just picking the big gross motor movements instead of, you know, all these different machines. It's a more effective one. So, and that's what happened.

Starting point is 00:52:53 The information was so wrong that you have, what you're listening, you're listening to a fitness podcast right now, with three guys who have a combined total of something like 50 years of professional, obsessive experience in fitness. What I mean by that is we weren't just in fitness for a long time, we were obsessed about learning

Starting point is 00:53:12 about fitness, both personally and for our clients. And it took me so long to piece together what really works. And it wasn't because I learned it from these magazines and books and personal training certifications because I learned it from these magazines and books and personal training certifications. I learned it through my own trial and error and my own ability to be open-minded, because I'm gonna tell you something right now.

Starting point is 00:53:33 When you, when everything you read, every, imagine, imagine this with any other industry, everything you read, every piece of information you read, muscle building, fitness, personal training certification, everything. As an agenda. When everything you read, muscle building, fitness, personal training, certification, everything. As an agenda. When everything you read says, train a body part hard once a week, when they all say that, it's like, that's like, that's your Bible. Like, oh, this is, you don't even question it.

Starting point is 00:53:56 So you have to be, first off, you have to do this for a very long time, you have to be open-minded enough to do the opposite. It would be like going in the stock market and trying to buy high and sell low. Like that's the opposite of what you've always heard. You know what I mean? It sounds crazy. And so all of us kind of discovered that on our own. And as I think back, I can piece together all the clues.

Starting point is 00:54:17 Like the first time, because I can go back even further. I can go back to when I was 21 and back when I had that gym down in Palm, desert. Back then, I was taking, this is when the gray market, designer steroid market was real big. I'd take all those things and I'd get all, I'd balloon up and get real strong, whatever. I wanted to get to a 400 pound bench press because I'd never, that was like a big number for me to even, come close to getting to at that point. I think the most I'd, that was like a big number for me to even, you know, come close to getting to it.

Starting point is 00:54:46 At that point, I think the most I'd ever bench was like 315. So what I did was is every day or so, I'd go and put relatively heavy weight on, not max out, but relatively heavy weight. And I'd walk over the bench and I'd do like a single or a double with it. So it was like 70, 60 to 70% intensity. And I did it because somebody that I worked with told me, hey, you know, I have a buddy who got his bench press up to 400 pounds and this is what he did.

Starting point is 00:55:14 And I thought it was stupid, but I finally said, you know what, I've tried everything else. Like, let me give this a shot. And I couldn't believe how fast I got stronger and how fast my bench press got up. And I eventually think I got up to like 380 or 390. So I don't think I ever hit 400. But nonetheless, like there's a clue right there.

Starting point is 00:55:31 There was a little clue. And little by little I started piecing these little clues together, but it was all counter. It was all counter to what we had learned. And I thought to myself, it would be crazy to train a muscle if it was sore. I used to tell my clients, oh, if a muscle sore, don't train it.

Starting point is 00:55:44 Like you gotta let it rest. And then later on realizing, oh, if I exercise a sore muscle in the right way, it actually not only does it recover faster, but I get more out of it. Well, a big one you said earlier too, that I think is such a great point. And then I remember this piece coming together for me too, was, there's an order of of operation and there are exercises that

Starting point is 00:56:07 are superior to other exercises. We know this, right? Like a barbell bench press just kicks the shit out of a hammer strength fucking, you know, cable machine or like, you know, it's just a superior movement for the overall gains and benefits that you're going to get. And so when I used to train like the muscle one day a week, you come in, I would do some sort of a lightweight warmup with something, and then I go into the big barbell or dumbbell type of movement, and then the majority of the rest of it, and I would like get it,

Starting point is 00:56:37 you know, four or five hard sets of that. My chest would already feel a massive pump, and then the rest of the workout was all the bullshit exercises. Yeah. We're doing, you things, incapable flies, and all the machines. And I'd end up doing 20 sets, but five of them were like the fucking meat and potatoes of it. And then I wouldn't get another meat and potato type of exercise until I saw that again next week. And when I realized when I started to split the workouts into two and three workouts over the week, now I could do on Monday, you know, barbell, incline press, and then on,

Starting point is 00:57:10 on Wednesday, I could do like a dumbbell, dumbbell flat press, and then on another, and so I could start to get these good compound movements. I could start to do two, three, three, three. Real muscle builder. Yeah, the ones that are benefiting the most, and when I'm coming into the workout fresh, I'm not fatigued, so I'm able to lift a lot heavier weight than I was able to if I were, because if you go incline bench press, barbell,

Starting point is 00:57:33 then flat bench press, then you go dumbell, by the time you get to them dumbbells, you're not doing nowhere near what you're capable of doing because you're completely fatigued. That's where the whole, that's where I think a lot of part of the reason why muscle and fitness and flex and all these other, you know, bodybuilding publications, which were by the way the fitness authorities, they were the fitness authorities for a long time.

Starting point is 00:57:55 If you want to learn about fitness, fat loss, muscle building, those were the cutting edge. One of the reasons why they promoted body parts splits was because they partnered with machine manufacturers and gyms and, you know, Nautilus was created by Arthur Jones. Arthur Jones was like the scientist of muscle building and he wanted to sell his Nautilus equipment. I mean, here's the reality. If I'm going to go to the gym and do 15 sets for legs, how many of those sets are going to be barbell heavy barbell squats, right? Four, maybe five if you're like really fit, you ain't doing 15 sets of barbell squats. And if you are, only the first, well, if you are the three, the first three to five sets of the effective way. The rest of them, the rest of them are kind of a waste.

Starting point is 00:58:36 Right. But imagine this, imagine if I go to the gym and instead of doing 15 sets for legs on Monday, I do five sets on Monday, five sets on Wednesday, five sets on Friday. The odds that I'm gonna do a lot of squats each time is much higher. Right. sets for legs on Monday, I do five sets on Monday, five sets on Wednesday, five sets on Friday. The odds that I'm gonna do a lot of squats each time is much higher. And so there's, but, and I'm not gonna wanna use machines. And I'm not gonna wanna do a bunch of different crazy equipment.

Starting point is 00:58:55 You're not gonna be a sore. And the odds are the load is gonna be a huge difference, which then naturally increases the volume, which to me that is one of the biggest game changers for. But think about it, how can you, if you're a machine manufacturer, how hard is it to sell all these fancy machines when everybody's doing barbell squats, barbell bench press, overhead presses, rows, pull-ups, like when everybody's doing the big like muscle builders, nobody's,

Starting point is 00:59:19 every, those machines are going to collect dust in the corner, but if you tell everybody you need to do, you know, all your sets in one day, but if you tell everybody you need to do all your sets in one day, now those machines become very valuable. There's a very methodical way about this to continually to see progress and not hit plateaus. And of course in all the programs, it's already naturally built into that, but those that are following me on Instagram right now,

Starting point is 00:59:43 I just... Oh, I love that you're doing this dude because it's like I can see exactly what's happening to your body not because you're posting pictures Although I work with you every day and I can see it I can see with your workouts because you started out Where you started out and where you're already at it's like a massive difference, but it was a methodical right and so Along those lines that's exactly what and I'm meaning to get to this. So, and I'm trying to be as active as possible to share with you guys and continue to provide

Starting point is 01:00:10 really valuable free information. Just takes time for me to do these things, and I've been doing it for so long that I just kind of naturally do it. But one of the things that I'm gonna show you right now is so I'm about to complete the 12th workout, which is basically a month's worth of training and the amount of volume. Now I'm gonna go back the 12th workout, which is basically a month's worth of training and the amount of volume.

Starting point is 01:00:26 Now I'm gonna go back, and because I've logged all my sets, wets, sets, wets, weights and reps, you guys can, I can calculate the total volume per muscle group. And so what I'll do is I'll go back since I've tracked all this, and just I'm gonna use hypothetical numbers right now, so you get the point. You know, there's gonna be 10,000 pounds of volume on my legs. There's gonna be you know 7,000 volume 7,000 pounds of volume on my shoulders. There's gonna be 5,000 pounds of volume on my arms

Starting point is 01:00:56 Like I'm gonna go through every major muscle group and total improvement and show the amount of volume that I've That I've put out in the last month. And now what I'm gonna do is the next month is I'm gonna make sure I hit that or a little bit over in every one of those muscle groups. And I know just by doing that, and I don't wanna go way overboard, which I think a lot of people make that mistake.

Starting point is 01:01:17 They go after it, like no, I wanna do as little as possible. And this is how you get very, very detailed about this and what I used to do when I competed. And this is how I could prove that I would, I know that I will see progress every single month because I'm increasing the volume. Your body is prioritizing adaptation and not repair and recovery. You say I'm saying. And what I mean by that is, it's always going to prioritize repair and recovery. But what I mean is that's not the, it's not such a big signal, like heal me, that it can't focus on adaptation. It's just enough to send that adaptation signal.

Starting point is 01:01:53 And then because you're not creating ridiculous amounts of damage, it can focus on adaptation. And then you're hitting your body again, right when it's time to hit it again. And here's another thing, when we look at these studies, so they measure the signal that, there's a signal that you can measure in the body that kind of tells you that your body's building. And it's called protein synthesis or muscle protein synthesis.

Starting point is 01:02:15 And we can test when it's elevated. And we see right after a workout, that shit takes off and it tends to spike at about 12 to 24 hours. And then it starts to drop at about 12 to 24 hours. And then it starts to drop and for beginners, modern, you know, intermediates, that usually drops at around 48 to 72 hours. So it's about two or three days where it's deselevated. The more advanced you are, the faster it drops and the shorter it stays elevated. So if you're really advanced and you've been working out for a long time,

Starting point is 01:02:43 that muscle building signal might only be super elevated for 24 hours. In some studies, they show 12 hours. So now you've got things like trigger sessions or focus sessions. This is why we put those things in there, why they become so effective. And I love that we can point to studies that show, I remember like putting this together and then seeing more studies come out and just confirm it even more. I'm like, well, that's why the stronger, more fit I become, the more the trigger sessions

Starting point is 01:03:11 become of value. Whereas in the beginning, they weren't as valuable, but now they make such a big difference. I also think that people have the same patterns they have with nutrition as they have with the way they train. Like, you have these excellent week or two that you put together and then you kind of take a step back for a week or so. And that's kind of what keeps you at this level plateau. And if you were actually tracking

Starting point is 01:03:31 and breaking it down mathematical, I bet you'd be surprised that you're doing about the same amount of volume. But in your head, you feel like, fuck, I was getting after it. You know, I've been getting after it really hard, but then you let off the throttle or you miss or you can't quite reach the amount of volume that you reached because you had to travel or this or that,

Starting point is 01:03:49 but you're still getting your workouts in and you feel strong. So in your head, you think, why am I not seeing the results? Well, it's like, well, what you don't realize is, last month, you did a total of amount of volume of this much, whatever that number is. And this next month coming forward,

Starting point is 01:04:04 you pretty much did the same thing. It was just spread out differently. You know what I'm saying? It was just, I don't know. I don't know. When I started to track that, and I remember this with my peers when I was competing,

Starting point is 01:04:17 at Bernal, there's a lot of pros inside that gym. In fact, in any other gym I've been to, there's more pros in there. And a lot of the guys all work out with each other. And a lot of times they'd want to work out with me. And I just didn't like working out with everybody because they still train this way. They still train beast mode and to failure. And I would, and I would rasm about it. I said, listen, I'm not in the business of proving that I'm good at working out. I'm in the business of proving that I could change my physique. And to me, jumping in a workout with with you where I'm going into my workout, I know what I need to do. I know what I need to do today

Starting point is 01:04:50 to elicit, elicit change in my body. And I want to do just the right amount to do that. I don't got nothing to do. I don't want to get in a circle jerk with you three and start getting into a who can lift the car. Right. And like pushing each other to a fail. And one year or not the other. You know why? Because they identify so strongly with being a martyr for fitness that when you say to them, now man, I'm not trying to just go overboard and go crazy and their mind are like,

Starting point is 01:05:14 well, I'm a fucking bad at it. I just take five in the morning. Yeah, that's why I do it. In reality. Cool, bro, you're good at working out. That's why you'll still be the NPC as I go all the way up to the fucking prelude. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what I do.

Starting point is 01:05:24 In reality. I'm so angry. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what I'd say. In reality. I think I'm so angry. Yeah, no, sure. And in reality, here's a deal. Do you want better results? Do you want to see, we just got tagged. I just got tagged on Instagram by a listener who done body parts splits for a long time.

Starting point is 01:05:39 He was in that breakdown recovery trap, listener or a podcast, and he's like, I finally took a leap of faith and it's funny because it is a leap of faith, because I remember being so attached to, oh God, what if I lose muscle that I was afraid to change anything, even though reality, now I know, now I'm like, who cares?

Starting point is 01:05:56 I'll change something and for two weeks it doesn't work, I go back, I'll be fine. But back then I was so afraid, like, oh my God, if I train my chest, three days a week, it's gonna shrink because I'm not letting it recover or whatever. This guy does this post and he was afraid of the same thing. Dude, if I didn't get sore, I would like abandon it.

Starting point is 01:06:12 You know, like, that was the old mentality. It's like, if I'm not getting sore, I feel like this is just- Wait, ineffective, totally ineffective approach. So I would abandon like really solid programming. Because it was like, you know, I just don't, I didn't see long-term in the success of it. Well, no, this guy, I'm gonna see if I can find this.

Starting point is 01:06:28 Maybe you guys can check him out on Instagram, but he did this and I can't find him. He did this, he started working out more frequently, stopped trying to go to failure all the time. And he's like, my, he goes, my chest was never responded. It was like the weakest body part. He's like, it's growing every week. I am blown away. He's like 30 something. He's like, it's growing every week. I am blown away.

Starting point is 01:06:45 He's like 30-something. He's been working out for a long time. I like seeing that the most. I like seeing beginners respond. That's always awesome. That's easy. But we all know that's easy, right? Helping me to help a beginner,

Starting point is 01:06:56 and that's what I think, that's probably the problem. Because a beginner comes, hires some trainer or gets some information from somewhere of doing this program or do this workout and they just do it and of course they see results. Of course they see change. I'm saying you're new to that becomes the formula from them. Yes. And then you marry it. How often did you guys see this where somebody has trained a certain way or followed a regimen or fell into CrossFit or fell into a modality of training?

Starting point is 01:07:23 So they all exist. That's why there's a whole tribe around it because there's a whole around all of us. Because yeah, it gave them the, it works well. So well that it was the best shape they ever. And I know this too, because I fell in the same fucking thing. I remember that, you know how many years I was training to six reps, you know, six reps was all I was, like it was like, if we do read somewhere,

Starting point is 01:07:44 that's the best. that's yes. Yes Only muscle building a mask is sick to the to the point where if we ever did a wait that you could do eight or 10 We almost thought that was a waste like I'm not Jay Like I'm not trying to look like a chick. I don't want tone-dorms. I want massive arms like Don't give me those green and pink weights, so every set you are going as heavy as possible And I'm failing it for five and having my buddy spot me to six. You know what's crazy about this? You want to know as far as I did that.

Starting point is 01:08:10 What's crazy about this is we're all in our late 30s. I'm getting close to 40 now, right? My body was in its peak naturally, probably sometime in my early 20s, right? That's probably when you have the most potential. God, if I only knew, if I could go back in time All new levels. Oh dude. Oh if I could go back in time and be like dude to do it everything fucked up Here's what you need to do with your nutrition. Here's what you do the training. Yeah, I don't I don't know what I would have done

Starting point is 01:08:38 Would be great. Oh, hey, you know Katrina to this day. She always always gives me a hard time She's like it's so unfair. How fast you can change your body. You just know what to do. Yeah, I'm like, I've just figured it out. And she's like, and I feel like I'm working so much harder than you. I'm like, well, sometimes you do. You know, sometimes you work harder than you need to.

Starting point is 01:08:57 You know, she's got, she's there now. Like she gets it. But, you know, I've learned now, you know, that there's just these little subtle adjustments and every day I'm making little adjustments, I'm making little improvements every day, being a little bit better version of myself. It doesn't ever feel like it's taxing, doesn't ever feel like it's really hard or difficult.

Starting point is 01:09:15 It's easy to stick to because it's just a little bit more than what I was before. And I just, you could, It's such a parallel there to business too. I don't want to take a soft topic. So true. It's just like, that's exactly what. I don't want to take us off topic, but it's just like, that's exactly what I've learned, like efficiency, you know, over like the martyrdom of grinding

Starting point is 01:09:31 and just living, you know? You're living at the gym, I was to do that. Yeah, you just live there, like I, I mean, shh, I mean, it is, there's something to that though, like initially when you get started, especially as a personal trainer, you're trying to like learn the skill of just being there and immersing yourself in it full on completely,

Starting point is 01:09:48 but when you go to try and work on your body and you try to take everything on, you take everything on, you keep taking it on, and then it's just like you burn out and you burn out quickly. And it's the results that you initially got the first couple of weeks, that's what it stops. Boom, you're done. People attribute, when people think hard, they think it sucks.

Starting point is 01:10:10 You know what I'm saying? I love it when I tell people what I do. They're like, what do you do for a living? I'm like, oh, I have a podcast, this and that. They're like, man, so you don't really have to work that hard, right? And it's like, well, I mean, I enjoy it. So if you think that hard means it sucks, yeah, my job is not hard at all because I love what I do.

Starting point is 01:10:28 But no, it's all about effectiveness. It's all about being smart. I mean, we could eliminate, you know, you could use a backhoe to dig a hole in your backyard and that would be far easier than using a shovel. Does that mean I go with the shovel because it's harder and it's making me sweat more and I'm working more and no, not at all. It's far, far less effective. And if you train properly, if you understand that your body

Starting point is 01:10:51 can prioritize recovery, over adaptation, if you understand that and you understand that you may be stuck in the breakdown recovery trap, move yourself out of that. Watch what happened. You'll be shocked. You'll be blown away. I'm saying this to somebody who, I mean, I had trained already for years before I figured this out. And I thought my, you'll be shocked. You'll be blown away. I'm saying this to somebody who, I mean, I had trained already for years

Starting point is 01:11:06 before I figured this out and I thought my body wouldn't go anywhere. And I mean, I did more with my body, totally natural than I did when I was taking those, you know, designer steroids over the counter, you know, pro-hormons. And it was all because my training and diet were smart. Back when I was doing those other things,

Starting point is 01:11:22 it was all over the place. It wasn't intelligent at all. I'm like, I know we had no idea where today's podcast was going to go. And sometimes those are my favorite, especially when we do something like this, because, you know, it's been a while. We do so many interviews. We have so many quads now that we used to when we first started. We used to tackle a lot of these like real basic type of things that we haven't addressed in a really long time. And it's, do you remember the last time that we brought this up? Like I don't even remember the last time that we talked about some like this. And when you talk about like the biggest paradigm

Starting point is 01:11:52 shattering moments of my fitness career, like this is one of them for sure, like this completely shifted my ability to not only see better results in myself, but then also to be a better coach and trainer. It translates to your beginner or somebody just starting, but also your experienced lifter. So like, you know, we were in a space

Starting point is 01:12:10 where we knew what we were doing. Well, like Salsit, I think it translates, or is even better for them, because a beginner, you really can throw almost anything at a beginner and their body's gonna adapt and change and see results, but it's the guys and the girls that are grinding day in, day out, month in, month out, year in, year out

Starting point is 01:12:28 of training that have been kind of about the same. Like are you, you know, sure, you've been in a little bit better shape or you've been in a little bit worse shape than where you currently are right now, but when was the last time that you would really dramatically change your body? And, you know, the ultimate kind of get people out of the rut.

Starting point is 01:12:43 Yeah. I know once they apply this, if they they haven't before it's such a game changer Do you guys remember applying these principles to treat your clients and how big of a difference? It was well the iron was way better about applying this to my clients and I was myself I remember learning this early on as a trainer was like wow Man if I hammer my clients super hard in the gym and they can't walk I used to do that all the time And I was just became a trainer. Yeah thought that's what I was supposed to do. And I used to find, get pride in it.

Starting point is 01:13:07 Like, clients the next day, I'd be like, I would get clients from being known as the hardest trainer. I don't know if it's still this way. And I know we have a huge trainer base that listen. So I would love to hear feedback, you know, via DM or whatever on this. But that was a fucking epidemic when we were coming up. Yes.

Starting point is 01:13:22 Trainers is the brag about us. Yes. And I managed trainers for many years, most times 20 to 30 on staff, all of them were like this. Like at least 95% of them train clients this way, and it was such a hard habit to get them to break because it was.

Starting point is 01:13:37 It turned into this competitive. Competitive. And then the clients perpetuated the problem because they would bounce from trainer to trainer. Like I would get clients that would come to me I remember being really frustrated as a boss getting these these type of clients that would come in and they come in They see me in my office and they said, hey Adam, you know, you know, I really like Melissa. She's great and everything like that But you know, is there any way I could train with another trainer? And I'd be like, yeah, you know, what what is it?

Starting point is 01:14:00 What why is that like what do you want to train with somebody else? Well, you know, I just I Why is that? Like, what do you want to train with somebody else? Well, you know, I just, I think she's, you know, because she's a girl, I think she's too easy on me. And I'm just not seeing, and she's not getting me sore. You know, could you give it? And I'd be great, I'd give them with somebody who would just break them off.

Starting point is 01:14:15 I'd be like, thank you. No, they would be, and they would be, I could barely walk. Yes. And I'd be like, ah, you're killing me, you know? Like, but I mean, that's the issue, so I don't know if it's still, that's how I got, that's the issue. So I don't know if it's still. That's how I got Doug.

Starting point is 01:14:27 That's how I got Doug as a client. We said, he literally came in and he was experienced. He'd worked out forever, long times, as he was a kid. And I told him, well, we're gonna work out twice a week. And I'm gonna train your whole body. And he looked at me like I was crazy. And it's a good thing I'm a good salesman because I convinced him.

Starting point is 01:14:43 And I remember, like I remember like it was yesterday, Doug, you would come in and we'd add 20 pounds to your deadlift or 30 pounds to your squat and the look on his face was like, did are you sure I did 20 pounds last that last week and be like, yep, I wrote it down right here. Like you just added 20 pounds to your lift over like over the course of four days. I want to ask you because you because you were somebody who was chasing this a long time by yourself and you're not, yes, just some little spring chicken.

Starting point is 01:15:10 Obviously, definitely not a spring chicken. Right. You've tried this. You're still springing, though. What were, and I know you've stroked Sal off, so we don't need to go about Sal more about you and what, what you, what you,, when you started training with Sal, what were some of the things that blew you the way the most, like, as far as your body started to change and seeing results? Well, I'd been at a standstill for quite a long time before I started working with Sal.

Starting point is 01:15:37 I'd worked out, you know, since I was like 16 years old, I'd done all types of workouts, and I'd put on some muscle early on in my experience, but then it just kind of stopped for like 20 years. And so when I started working out with Sal, I'd kind of given up on the whole concept of building muscle. I thought, well, maybe I'm just a hard gainer. I'm never going to get the body I wanted to build, you know, the Rocky 3 body. That was the one I was shooting for.

Starting point is 01:16:02 And so anyway, I kind of lost interest in working out and building muscle partly because of that. So I went back and started working with Sal, thought I'd just give it another shot and started to see the results of my body. And I started to exceed where I was before I started working out with him. What pieces of that did you think over the most of true? I know there's a lot of things because of course the programming was dialed and the things you're doing, but do you like remember like I never had someone tell me to stop a failure or I never had someone. Yeah, absolutely. There are all types of things that he taught me that were counter. Yeah, counter to what I'd learn.

Starting point is 01:16:38 So yeah, stopping before failure was one of them. You know, again, training more frequently. He had me working out twice a week, which really, to me, I really thought that was not going to be enough, but I was working out the full body twice each week. And I did that for probably almost two years. And before that were you running like a split and working three, four, five times a week, how many hours off and were you lifting before? Well, yeah, when I was really into it, I was working, you know, five, six days a week. And I was following, like, muscle and fitness. In fact, I subscribed to muscle and fitness when I was like 16 or 17 years old. And I would read these workouts.

Starting point is 01:17:14 And I'd say, oh, well, I'll try this one because the last one didn't work. And they were all the same, of course. They were all very intense. They were splits. And I just didn't see any results on any of those. Wow. And then I realized now in hindsight looking back that it was because I was number one probably overdoing it each time. Number two, I wasn't working the body parts as frequently as I should

Starting point is 01:17:39 have. And then also I was taking everything to failure. I mean, I had a spotter, I worked out with friends, and we'd take every exercise, like for example, bench press, we'd be doing those last couple reps, and I wouldn't be lifting half of it. I had my spotter help me. Force reps, force reps, every set, a force to rep, thinking that's what's gonna cause my body to grow.

Starting point is 01:18:03 And it was totally bunk. Because you have to damage the body. You gotta create more damage, right? And that was all. And he did, I kept them on two days a week for about a year and a half or two years. And the reason why I kept them on, because he would ask me, should I add more,

Starting point is 01:18:15 should I work out more frequently? And I'm like, well, no, you're progressing still. Like, he was progressing on a very, and the funny thing is, Doug was convinced that he was a hard gainer. The reality is, now I've trained lots of people, the reality is, Doug is not only is he not a hard gainer, Doug is on the upper end.

Starting point is 01:18:34 I mean, he was able to pull over 400 pounds at a body weight at 150 at the age of almost 50. So arguably the strongest one here. Yeah, but pound for pound. Pound for pass, what we call them, the chimp. But no, all joking aside, you know, it's funny, and then he took pictures later on and was all shredded. And it's like, you thought you were a hard gainer, not only you not a hard gainer, but

Starting point is 01:18:55 you're kind of a badass. But yeah, his body was progressing, so it was one of those things like, well, if you're progressing, let's keep it at this. And then we'll only add more when it's needed, when it's necessary. You know the other thing that I would never do that I do now all the time, like speaking to frequency and the importance of it

Starting point is 01:19:11 and how important it is, is I would never work out in the past unless I was gonna go crush it. Yeah. Like so I would not. I was a waste. Yeah, exactly. I used to think that way that like if I was just not feeling up to it, just not in the mood,

Starting point is 01:19:24 maybe I'm tired, maybe I'm groggy, maybe to it, just not in the mood, maybe I'm tired, maybe I'm groggy, maybe I'm just like not in the mood to just get, and I, because I always thought I had to kill it, you know, or go to failure and do that, that if I didn't have the motivation to go to the gym, to get after it like that, then I wouldn't go at all, where I'm completely the opposite now. Many times, not in the mood, don't feel the greatest word that,

Starting point is 01:19:44 maybe I only do five sets of something That's it. Sometimes I'll do that like I'll totally do and I'm and I'm comfortable in okay with that And I just I pick something that I think is really important for me like oh that's you know I'm gonna get the most bang from my buck just going and doing five sets of squats like five sets of squats It's a decent workout. It's a hell of a lot better than absolutely nothing that day And I send that I send that signal again. And it you know, I never did that before. And that was a big game changer for me too. It's just learning that I don't have to always get so motivated to go to the gym and to go in there and get after all time. In fact, you don't have to win your workout.

Starting point is 01:20:18 Right. And in fact, and I still see this right. I see a fucking I see guys talk. I see guys talk about this stuff all the time about, you know, sometimes you just don't want to lift and it's the guys that get in there and just do it anyways and this and that. And I'm not saying there's not a place for that. But I am saying that, you know what, sometimes, that's your body telling you, like you're fucking tired,

Starting point is 01:20:39 you know, you're probably overdoing it, you're burning the candle with both ends. And maybe you don't need to go in there and hammer it, and you don't play it. So don't not go in at all, go in and maybe take an easy workout. Go real light on everything. Like don't try and go to failure, don't chase a crazy pump. Just get some sets and reps in and leave.

Starting point is 01:20:57 And the other thing too is that's cool is that when I started implementing trigger sessions, I noticed that they were so effective at producing energy where I'd be like, oh, I should probably do a trigger sessions. I noticed that they were so effective at producing energy where I'd be like, I should probably do a trigger session, kind of grogging a little tired. And then I'd go do my five to eight minute trigger session afterwards I'd be like,

Starting point is 01:21:15 I feel energized. I was charged. Yeah, in fact, I was on years ago, this has got to be now, how long we had the podcast now, three years? This is about two and a half years ago. I was on SmartDrugSmartz, which is a great podcast, and I was talking about trigger sessions

Starting point is 01:21:29 as a way to boost your cognitive function and creativity, because I noticed that when I did a trigger session, like I could think sharper, I was more awake, it's producing more of that dopamine, producing more of those, you know, feel good chemicals, I don't feel so fatigued. So you actually, you actually feel so when you are feeling tired, you go to the gym, you go easy,

Starting point is 01:21:47 you'll find that you'll end up creating more energy. Right, right, good stuff. So that blog that you did write though, is that, I know I read it already when you first sent it over to me, but is that live now, is that, or do we actually have it out? Should be live on our website,

Starting point is 01:22:00 that's mindpumpmedia.com, and there's a blog. Well, we'll put in the show notes, section, put in the show notes,. We'll put in the show notes. But we have a lot of blogs. We've got some good writers that put some pretty good content. So then maybe what we can do is do a link to this blog and then maybe Jackie can also do a link to that page that has like all the, I know it's our reference page, right? Is that right?

Starting point is 01:22:19 That's a blog page. Oh, it's called a blog page. There's a tab on the website for blog. No, no, and if you have any suggestions for articles that you would like to see us write, let us know. You can either DM us or message us through our website and we'll make sure to do those for you. Well, maybe what we try and do more often too is that, because I mean, again,

Starting point is 01:22:40 we're seeing a large response from the blogs that you write. You know, maybe when we see the ones that kind of outperform and do really, really well as far as shares and eyes on them, maybe we'll do an episode about it also, start doing that more often, because we don't get a chance to do this very often where we just kind of rift and go and talk about some of these paradigm shattering moments

Starting point is 01:23:00 for us that we had in our career. I know we're interviewing so much or answering questions from our qua. Sometimes it's good to revisit some of these things that I had in our career, I know we're interviewing so much or answering questions from our quaw. You know, sometimes it's good to revisit some of these things that I think, because personally, like when I talk about the things that have made the biggest impact on my clients and the people that I've taught or trained, like this is the nuts and bolts, you know what I'm saying exactly. Like teaching them these little balls around.

Starting point is 01:23:19 And it doesn't cost you guys any money, you like take the information for what it is, what it is, use it. I mean, read the blog. I mean, read the blog. And that's the only thing that I ask people is like, man, they help mine pump out. The best thing you possibly do is you read that blog. If you find it informative and it helped you out,

Starting point is 01:23:35 share it, man. That's the biggest thing that I can ask our audience to do is, and that to us gives us an indicator that that was, if you guys are sharing it a lot, then we know that, okay, this is a good topic for us to maybe address and talk more more towards. Perfect. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy

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