Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 751: The Impact of Your Leg Workout on Overall Body Growth, Decreasing Volume & Keeping Gains, Cannabis & Recovery & MORE

Episode Date: April 18, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about cannabis' affect on a person's workouts and recovery, if it is possible to keep/build muscle by adding more rest days and decreasing volume for a while after having “over reached," if hitting legs actually inadvertently helps you grow your upper body and how health is defined. The guys reflect back on 750+ episodes so far and if they go back and listen to their old episodes to get feedback. (6:16) It’s a tool for self-awareness. How your brain plays tricks on you. (9:52) Peak behind the scenes of Mind Pump Media. The guys share their personal/professional struggles dealing with the learning curve of sales funnels, dumbing themselves down on video, coming off authentic, etc. (14:02) The power of turmeric. Sal gives update on his current workouts and what he is using to prevent injury. (34:00) Here comes the iGen. The guys review crazy statistics from how the iPhone has become the processed food of our generation. (36:45) Grass fed vs. grass finished. The guys talk about their commercial for Butcher Box and the quality of the meat. (49:21) What is the minimum you would take to eat a tarantula on a burger? **Disclaimer** Don’t be eating during this segment. (54:25) Quah question #1 – How does cannabis affect your workouts and recovery? (1:04:53) Quah question #2 – Is it possible to keep/build muscle by adding more rest days and decreasing volume for a while after having “over reached?" (1:15:15) Quah question #3 – Does hitting legs actually inadvertently helps you grow your upper body? (1:22:00) Quah question #4 – What is health? Can you be too healthy? 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this super elevated episode of MIND, we took the elevator. For the first 58 minutes, we do our normal introductory current events, cumver, sati-ion. Wasn't really that normal. It was a little less normal. First 58 minutes, we do our normal introductory current events conversation. Wasn't really that normal.

It was a little less normal. I thought it was enhanced. Enhanced. We were talking about listening to mind pump episodes and our archives of fun conversations. Look, if you haven't gone back and listened to some of our old episodes, yeah, don't do it.

But if you do, I suggest, oh, yeah. It's a good time. We talk about stepping out of our old episodes. Yeah, don't. Don't do it. But if you do, I suggest, oh, yeah. It's a good time. We talk about stepping out of our comfort zones by appearing in video. Adam and I have been doing some videos lately and it's uncomfortable sometimes. We talk a lot about the business in this one.

So those, I mean, this is, those of you that enjoy the behind the scenes were, you know, very transparent about what's going on with us, our struggles with the business, the things that we've overcome. That's good stuff. We know that the rapid change is taking place

in the fitness industry, fast growth versus steady growth. I mentioned how I've been using a organized turmeric. I've actually been using it quite a bit lately, because I'm pushing my workouts so hard. Now the gold juice has it in there as well, or you could just take turmeric by itself. It's a very high quality product.

We are sponsored by Organifi. If you go to OrganifiShop.com, enter the code Mind Pump. You will get a big discount. Then we talk about the disturbing statistics from the smartphone generation. People have been calling it the eye generation. That's a nod to Steve Jobs.

We talk about grass fed versus grass finished beef. We had a barbecue at Adams House with butcher box, probably the best quality meat. It was fantastic. I've had the long time. And we grilled up some bacon. Now we got a crazy hookup by the way. It still smells like bacon.

The hookup we have with butcher box, Joe Rogan doesn't have on his show. You're gonna throw that there's factor. I like it. I think so. No, this is true story. It's true. If you go to butcherbox.com forward slash mine pump, here's what we've

negotiated for you guys. Ready? You get free bacon. You get two rib eyes. You get $10 off and free shipping on your first order. So they threw everything at you guys. If you're not drooling, I don't know what's wrong with you. But the kitchen sink, then we talk about tarantula burgers

and cricket tacos. Now you just threw it up. I'm the least, I'm the less pussyist of the group when it comes to that. I don't know the sign. Is that correct English, Justin? I think in Adam's dictionary it is. All right, yeah.

Libraries all day. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, how does cannabis, AKA Mary Jane affect your workouts and recovery? We go off topic on that one. The next one was, Yes, we do. Yeah.

Is it possible to keep and build muscle if you add rest days and decrease your volume? So if you're working out super hard doing all this crazy volume and then you cut back, will you build muscle or can you keep it if you've been overtraining especially? It was a good discussion there. Then we answer the question, does hitting legs actually inadvertently help you grow your upper body?

There's a little bit of a, like that's been going around for a long time, right? Is that true? Yeah, like if you do squats, your biceps will grow. As funny as that sounds, there's some truth to that. Find out in this episode. And finally, we answer the question, what is health? How do you know if you're healthy?

And can you be too healthy? Very philosophical question there. You got like Aristotle, Socrates, we brought everybody into the mix. We had some fun with that one. Also, this month, listen, it's April, right? So you got May, you got April May, then summer comes along. And one of the things about summertime

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or if you like to travel and work out, and you want to stay fit as you close deals on the road because you're an awesome sales person Yes, you are that's maps anywhere and finally if you want to fix pain correct imbalances or get better movement That's maps prime or prime pro and also we recommend that to personal trainers Very valuable tool for you and your clients must have for trainers. You can find all of these programs at mymputmedia.com. T-shirt time! T-shirt. So we had 14 reviews and we're giving out four shirts.

Cool. Look them up. Who gets the shirts, Doug? All right. It's T-Sams Warrior Fitness Jax, Katie Lauren 14, CJ Inscore. All of you are winners. And the name I just read to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you. Yeah, buddy birthday. Let's be honest, we look back at the what have we got almost 750 episodes. That is more where we at now.

That's a lot of your catalyst catalogs. That's a lot of you. It's catalog. Who's it? Are you just are you still consistently consuming the shows? Not ours necessarily, but I'm that's what the fuck else am I talking about? The fuck else is like there's like a palatura of other ones. He's like yes, but not our show. You're like I just asked you for our show. Yeah, no, like our specific. No, really, so I was talking to Katrina the other day about this, because she was kind of razzin'. I'm the biggest fan, obviously. It's not even that. I'm glad that you do.

I think it's important that somebody does, right? I think it gives good feedback on things that are working or not working or that you enjoyed, or you didn't know. I think you can be, I think you can listen. I only listen to me though, I fast forward. Right. That I believe, dude. Actually, so I listen to every episode, but I don't listen to me though, I fast forward. That I believe dude.

Actually, so I listen to every episode, but I don't listen to the whole episode. I always though listen to the intro. Like what we bullshit. I just listen to our episodes, not with like the, you know, we interview somebody. I never let's do it. I have a tough term.

I remember that. I haven't listened to a full quaw in probably 80 to 100 episodes, just because I'm with you on that. Like, I don't need to hear our answer on those questions because I already know what each of us would say to it. So it's less interesting to me, unless what I do everyone's gonna want. You know what, like lip service.

You and I get into like a really good debate, you know? And, or what I'd not- I've been keeping score, but- What I'm not. I'm not a scorecard. Can we get this? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Sometimes I'm not sure if it was good though, you know. Sometimes, and so just a debate period. So sometimes I like to listen to that because I just want to see if I like articulated my argument, well, you know, and or to hear your points again and like where you're coming from. So I do like to listen to that every now, but I don't, man, I haven't, I rely on Katrina a lot. In fact, I get mad at her sometimes when she stops telling me like, tell me about the show. Yeah. My girlfriend listens to every single one. And I listen to the intros, always listen to the intros, because I think

they're hilarious. I have a good time here like, well, because funny, haha. No, no, no, you know what it is? You know what it is? Okay. what it is, a lot actually, all of the times we podcast with just us. It's, to me, it feels like I'm hanging out with you guys and we're just having a great time. So, if you're, you know, I think people can relate. Like, imagine when you're hanging around with your friends, you guys have funny, fun conversations. Don't you wish you could like a few days later be like,

are you kidding? Listen to that conversation. Everybody in here has forgot some of the, probably the best moments of like laughter and conversation that you've probably had. You've had so many over your lifetime now. Like I wish you can, you know, like a black mirror where you could like, go back and rewind.

I don't want that. No, are you serious? You wouldn't go back and watch the bad times. You would go back and you watched the good times. I just watch it. Yeah, like zoom in on the background. If you had an opportunity, think about that. If you had something, which bro, we're getting close to this.

Oh, those contact lenses, that record. Well, even that, just not even, that's first person view, right? I'm talking about just in general, you know what I'm saying? Like I think that's coming. It's gonna be- People are gonna have drones following them everywhere. Yes, just recording.

Dude, that's gonna be weird. I imagine watching back your drunk drone start, videos. Like drunk videos. Great self-awareness though. How amazing will that be as a tool to like, I mean, imagine how much it's gonna evolve us when you have the ability, like someone goes, hey bro, you were being an asshole.

No, I wasn't. Hold on. Let's watch this together. Let's watch this together. See this look on your face right here? Like you know you're already gonna be a dick before you fucking say it. So you can't bullshit me here, right?

So let's talk about the positives and negatives of that technology. I think the positives for me at least is if I'm able to record and watch or view back my history, I think my argument win percentage will only go up. That's what I think. I think I'll be able to go back. I'll go back to it and be like, oh, you sure it was my fault? Yeah, you just find a new angle. It looks like there's actually a lot of truth

to what you're saying right now. That's why I think it's going to evolve us so fast. Imagine if you had the tool, it's really like, it's a tool for self-awareness. It's like we've never had a tool. When will we ever had a tool really to develop someone's self-awareness? Like, think about that.

What tools do we use? I mean, you could do. You could play back the video. And if the person still argues, you could put it up on. Like, think about that. What tools do we use? I mean, you know, you could do. You could play back the video. And if the person still argues, you could put it up on social media, have people vote and be like, looks like everybody says you're an asshole. You know what I mean?

The drunk playback will be, imagine that the next day you will be easy and drinking. Oh, imagine the next day you wake up. You're like, oh man, that girl's hot that I made out with last night. You watched the video like, oh shit. She had four teeth.

Think about studying for a test. You know, go to lectures or go through questions and go back and reference like, oh, when you heard in the lecture, there's gonna be a lot of positives, right? There will be. But there's gonna be a lot of, there'll be some negatives.

There's always a cause and effect. Because what though? What's gonna be so? Well, you're psyche, I think the human psyche evolved in a particular way for the way we live. And if we make fundamental changes to how we perceive things or remember things, it's going to shake us up because a lot of people don't realize a lot of your memories are what your brain creates around what actually happens.

So when they've done study after study on this, and the reason why they do studies on this is because they find that eyewitnesses are so unreliable many times. Well, they're like, oh yeah, red hair and he was really eight, whatever. Then they'll watch the surveillance videos like that's not all what happened. Isn't that strange? Yeah, like something could literally just happen and then like whoever was watching it, they try and like recite what just happened and it's sometimes it's completely not accurate. Forget that. Do you know how blind you are to shit that's right in front of you?

There's this common, there's this very, very common psychological test. They'll do all the time in colleges and you can find it on YouTube. You can watch it on YouTube. And they'll have people passing a ball around. And the goal is to count how many times the ball gets passed. So you're counting it, boom, boom, boom. And at the the end of it at the end of the video they're like okay cool Did you see the girl you see the monkey? Yeah, yeah, and you're like the gorilla Then they play back the video and while they're passing the ball the gorilla literally

Walks through the front of the video because you're hyper focused on a task because you're trying to like count count count You know the ball bouncing. Just to show you how blind you are to ship some oblivious to the background. Yes, nothing about car accidents, think about times when people like hit a car, like I didn't see you, you came out of nowhere and it's like, oh yes, somebody like, yeah, just like,

you know, going across the street, like walking, oh my God, that's, you know, if you're not like super aware and like looking outside of that, like this. Dude, the math that our brain does, consciously is fucking insane to me. Oh, it's ridiculous. Fucking insane.

You know, if you throw a baseball at someone, just toss it and they catch it, do you know the math that goes into predicting where it's gonna land to catch? Like, it's insane. Like, creating a machine that could do that would require so much computer power. I don't even know if we have a machine that can just catch something like that. I've seen robots jumping and running now, and that freaks me the fuck out.

Have you seen the video with the robot? It's like a humanoid looking robot, and then he's trying to pick up a box, and the guy keeps moving the box out of the way, so the guy keeps, and then they knock him over, and he gets back up, so creepy. What was that Elon Musk video or article you sent over to us just yesterday?

What was that? Did I? Or was that you, Justin Justin? Who sent the who's oh, Doug you sent it? Yeah, what was the article? What was it Doug? It's just that Elon Musk is warning against AI and there's a video that Apparently, yeah, watch. Yeah, was it like Clickbait or may it may have been clickbait. I'm not sure. Oh, you didn't watch it. Yeah, I've heard that I watched the trailer He has a smash. You read the clip notes. Yeah, exactly. Talk. Did you did you enter your email? Did you get? Are you on their list now? I was in it. Was it a sales funnel? He got targeted. Oh, man. So, uh, talk about this. Talk about the sales funnel. It's like, what a, what a process that has been for us, man. Like, uh, it's been sheer. There's been, if we talk about,

we don't talk about the business that often on air, but talk about the growing pain process of that. Well, I think, well, what was a big, a big, we're talking about cold traffic. Yeah, what was a big growing, just period, was understanding how the different parts of the business are literally like, like an email list, that's like your, if you send them a newsletter every week

and you do a good job with it That's a newspaper totally different part of the business. No different than when a newspaper was right you send them a newsletter every single week and people read or whatever every day Some of some people do it every day. Then you have the podcast. That's like a rate. That's like radio Then you have YouTube that's like TV. You have all these different mediums and there's more that I'm not even naming right there's all these different blog articles That are going out as soon as you'll day. Yeah, and all these different mediums and there's more that I'm not even naming, right? There's all these different blog articles that are going out as soon as you'll day. Yeah, and all these things are different and you have to develop them differently. You can build different people consume

from those platforms. So it's a totally different audience, you have to consider. That's the media in my pump media. Yeah, but talking about all this trouble for us personally on that learning that process, right? What people actually click on versus like what we want them to understand like right out of the gates.

Like, yeah, completely. Well, I'll tell you what was a learning curve for me, and I know for Adam too, because me and Adam were the ones primarily on the videos, right? That kept people to want to get our guides or whatever, or you know, the cold traffic. I have, I know all of us are very, very experienced in sales. And I've never a problem for me to talk about

and communicate ideas and convince people that my ideas are good. And I always believe in what I'm selling. So that's not a problem. But doing it on video for cold traffic or somebody who's never heard of me or anything like that, so different, right? Completely different.

So different. And then you're being coached on what you should, you know, talk about. I'm that, so different, right? Completely different animal. So different. And then you're being coached on what you should, you know, talk about and I'm like, no, that's not how I talk. You gotta be relatable. It's weird. Yeah, you have to just really kind of act as if this is the very first impression you've ever had

with that person. Oh, it's weird. It's weird because it's different. Oh, it's really different. It's really different. I mean, it's been talking to the marketing team and then trying to coach us through, like this is the order it should go in, talk like this. It's like trying to unlearn something that we've taught ourselves to do for almost 20

years. I've been learning and trying to improve on the art of communication and sales for a very long part of my life. So, and then to have to completely change that, you know, stylistically, is been like, fuck. Or just, I was in yesterday, Doug was recording me, and I'm just like, I'm fucking getting hell of a bad dude. If I had to leave around me, I was like,

oh, you can hear me. Oh, I just saw you getting frustrated. Justin, can I tell you something right now? You need to be around for that. It is the greatest thing. Like, pay back. No, what a luck you, bro. First of all, I don't Yeah, you need to be around for that. It is the greatest thing. Like pay back. No, what a look you Bro, first of all, I don't I try not to be around you because I know if you see me it makes you more I get I can feel your energy It didn't take you to take them off. We're all like that. So I go in here. I don't want to go in here in the studio

Which is a bomb proof soundproof studio. I just everybody knows Doors closed and I don't hear what's going on except for when Adam gets pissed, they start yelling. Yeah. Fuck, blah, blah. Oh my god, this is great. So I told Jessica that, yes, she'll make her feel better because she was nervous doing, because she's doing some videos and stuff with us. And she's super nervous. And she's like, oh my god, I suck. And she really doesn't. She's actually very, very good, especially when you consider she has zero experience and it's talking to a camera is a totally different animal it's totally different so she's like so frustrated and she's like you guys are natural and this is so easy and I don't like no no no I said you

sheer Adam gets so mad absolutely not yeah and I'm like it's not it's not it's there's nothing natural at all well none of us got into this with that intent. At all. That was even on the radar. Like when we were first doing this and the idea of what we were building, it was always about the podcast or everything around it. So well we knew we would have to. It's just we've never done it. So yeah, you don't know it. So the first one when she just fucking winked. Well when Doug and I, when we did maps the first time I was writing a book I was gonna write a book so I'm like I can write a book I'll put it together in a book it'll be cool and Doug's like no no it goes you're gonna be on video and I remember thinking like no I'm not gonna be on video

what do you talk about that's I've never done that before he goes that's how we're gonna do on video that's how we did it but it had no idea what fuck I was doing what was gonna happen I love I love your old video. Yeah, I mean, that was what, literally, if it wasn't, how funny is that? Had you not sent that to me, we may have never connected. That's true. We may have never connected.

You're like a lot more trust we're being like youthful. You're older. Mr. Mios. That's what I call my head as I, I died it, so it's like dark. I tell you though, like you're so edgy now. Yeah, it was the first, at that point for me, I think so.

At that point for me, it was the first real lead magnet that I had seen literally on the internet that I was like, fucking someone giving really solid, good information, not just a, oh, let's click you, sell you, because you guys weren't even there yet. You were just showing me the MAP Santa Ballac video. And the message that you were putting out there, I was like, fuck, this is money.

And it was so well done. I wanted to talk to you, because I wanted to know who did it. That's how Doug has time to do shit, you know? Right. Right. It's like, he's like coming up with all these covers for muscle magazines and like, you know, artistic.

Oh, I know, right. I loved every second of it. One of the biggest struggles right now within the company is also is being able to relieve dog to do the things that I think he's best at and that he loves the most. But we rely on him so heavily for all this other stuff that, you know, it's a compromise

like all the way across the board, you know. It's like you just know what has to get done and like the speed. It doesn't help. Which we gotta produce it now is on such another level and like the speed. It doesn't help. Which we got to produce it now is on such another level. It's crazy. It doesn't it doesn't help either. He's a motherfucker when it comes and letting go of shit.

You know what I'm saying? What's he gets his hands into it? You know what I'm saying? Which is totally opposite of like Sal and myself. Like we're in the business of yelling, yelling, yelling, like that's what. It's like, okay. I'm like, oh, you're good at that?

You do that. I'll focus on this thing when we. But you know, it's funny when we first started doing those, I was thinking, because fitness, at least in mainstream, fitness is sold like they're talking to a bunch of idiots, always, all in fact, I constantly people still to this day. So condescending.

It's true, still to this day, to this day, the biggest. Well, we have to dumb down all of our titles just to get people to fucking watch. To pay attention. Yeah, you nail it. Forget if it was yesterday or the day before, where you're like, you know, when we're talking about specialty and people have like all this terminology

that's like very specific to, you know, whatever sport it is or whatever like modality it is or whatever. And then they get more and more quality control about it. They're audience shrink, shrink, shrink, shrink, all the way down to where on the other end, we're even getting our ass kicked by all the Joey Schwoles of the world that dumb it down to the complete dumb.

Well, here's what I think. We all talked about this. I think the market is changing. The consumer, let me tell you something right now. Well, I hope what I think. I think it's, I think we all, we've all talked about this. I think the market is changing. The consumer, let me tell you something right now. Well, I hope for the catalyst for that. Well, I believe we are. The average client today, the average person today is more educated and smarter in regards

to health and fitness. They just are. And it's because of the internet, there's more information that's out there now. And shit gets spread quick, very quick very quick dude three years ago Three years ago. That's that's a blink of the eye three years ago if you said Eating small meals throughout the day is bullshit 99% of everybody in fitness and health would laugh at you, okay?

Three years later If I say that in a room full of fitness professionals, most of them will agree with me. There'll be a few of them outliers who aren't keeping up today and will be like, no, small mules, burmo, and everybody will be like, actually, no, that's bullshit. That's in three years, dude. Shit has never changed that fast in fitness up until relatively recently.

So I think being, assuming that your audience knows a little more. You've been in a thing for three years, too, that's weird. Say what? And Justin said we've been in a thing for three years too. That's weird. Say what? Just as that we've been a thing for three years too. I think we just see it. Super weird.

No, we've said that all this. You see it and are just hitching, hitching, arrived. Yeah, exactly. Grabbing one of the coattails of more things you're going. But it's true, and I think the average consumer is more educated, a little smarter, and wants to be... And the other thing, too, is you want to consider the industry of fitness on a broad scale has really only been around for, I don't know, 30 years.

It may be 25 years. Before that, there wasn't huge marketing. It wasn't a big money maker. It wasn't a big thing. It's only really been relatively, it's a newer market, my point. It's a newer market, but it's been around now for long enough to where people now are starting to see the, like before and afters, and like you tell people, hey, if you see this ad that says this person lost 30 pounds in a month and most people now will be like, that's probably

bullshit. 25 the math quickly. 25 years ago, people were like, oh shit, that's crazy. That looks awesome. So I think it's, that's the other part of it is people are now kind of sick of the old stuff a little bit and they're seeing the old tricks. And so it becomes a little bit more visible. And that's better for us.

You saw the reaction once people found out, like, some of these Instagram models were using Photoshop. Like, it was like pandemonium, like, what? Like, if there was people coming with torches and pic, you know, picking up the fall of shreds. It was. And when that got caught up, when their athletes got caught up doing that, like crazy. And you know what the rumor was that it was coming from above and it was being taught Shreds. There was. And when that got caught up when their athletes got caught up doing that, like crazy.

And you know what the rumor was that it was coming from above and was being taught within the company because so many are doing it. And they tried to, you know, they tried to put out a video to say that. Well, they were literally trying to model like the magazines. But the magazines, like the ultimate like airbrush, like photo. That's why you can't really get mad at him. I mean, he was following a model like that. I mean, it literally is exactly that.

It's 100% exactly like that. It's not that the model didn't change public perception. Public perception, yeah. That's what I'm trying to say right now. It intrigued me. That's why I was interesting to see the reaction, I thought. Yep, that's what I'm trying to say right now. That's why the fake airbrush perfect

is falling out of style. Real raw authentic connect is becoming more. Do you think we have lesser market accountability ourselves personally on that? What do you mean? Like, do we are we holding ourselves accountable for making that decision to go buy a product like that? Or are we quicker to blame others now

than what we were before? Oh, I don't know, it's a good question. I think with social media, social media is such a, it's such an interesting reflection of people's behaviors because you can dislike, like unfollow, follow, very quickly. And so you see such a fast, like, I have never in my life experience without even reading with the person right now. Before, before social media,

and before smartphones in particular, because smartphones just took it to a new level in terms of access, before that, like for a celebrity to rise to start them and then crash, there was a longer period of time, but between that. Now, it's like, boom, you're at the top, boom, you're fucking nobody, fast. Like at 50 minutes, you know, they'd say you're 50 minutes of fame.

It's like five minutes now. Yeah. And the public in it can change so quickly. I think it's because people have more power to like, like dislike you, not like. It's like old like gladiator like, you know, live, die. They get thumbs up, thumbs down. Like it's, we've literally like resorted back to that.

Do you think we're gonna see that? You think we're gonna see this like rapid turnover of like Instagram stars that like resorted back to that. Do you think we're gonna see that? You think we're gonna see this like rapid turnover of like Instagram stars that like you see explode blow up everybody. Don't you see it now? It's crazy how like people on the top now will crash and burn faster than you can even and look it on Twitter.

Look at celebrities on Twitter. Like old, what I mean by when I say old celebrities like this is what? This is why I think it's so important and when we talk the business stuff, this is why when I talk to somebody about how slow, for us, it feels extremely slow, right? Like maybe from an outsider looking in,

they think it's been fast because maybe you fell into my pump, you didn't hear anything about them, then also the hell of people talked about them around your circle or something, whatever. But for us, it's been a super slow grind. And when you look at how little all of our pages on everything But everything across the board because we've just been doing it organically And I think the right in my opinion the right way

Yeah, and I think when you chase after just the fame or blowing up really really fast You do it with the the cheap tricks and the shit and it's really hard to build a Sustainable business that's going to be. There's no retention in it. You don't have a solid base. It's like building a house as fast as you can without having a solid. It's very fleeting. Right. One of the worst things that you said this a long time ago and I completely agree.

One of the worst things that could have happened to us early on is if we exploded, I don't know where without a strong answer. We weren't out of record without right. Right. I mean, that was, I remember this was a conversation we had back and forth all the time and you'd be like, you guys, one day it's gonna be like a hockey stick, you know, I everyone talks about the hockey stick and it explodes for us.

And I'm like, you know what, bro, I don't want that to happen. I'm scared to get out of that, I'm scared to get out of that. If that fucking happens, yeah, we might make $10 million, but what it goes through my head, it should have been $100 million. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, we're gonna miss all of this wave, you know. because we didn't have because we wouldn't have a we wouldn't have the foundation built for it to be a thriving business that will forever forever keep going and not only

that providing so much value to people's lives, you'll you'll never unsubscribed an Netflix, you know why? Because if fucking provides so much value to you, whether it's whether it be laughter or enjoyment with you know what I'm saying like that. But even another side to that too is sometimes that fast growth happens faster than you're prepared for. And it actually crushes you. I have a perfect example of this and this is when I was actually running a boot camp. And I was doing it through the facility.

I was using also the personal train and I had a partner at the time that was you know he was doing sort of the marketing and online marketing for me and I was just gonna run the camp forum. I remember this and So what we did like just you know, this is right when Groupon came into play and became a thing and We just decided okay, you know, let's try this out and and put an ad out there and like give people Basically undercut what our current members were paying with some ridiculous deal and drove a good Julian people at one time and did not. Like I literally had such a hundred people

for a small business. For like one guy and I was calling my friends that were trainers to come help and and what ends up happening is they get a bad experience. They killed the business, yeah, it literally killed, I told them like I don't wanna keep, like I can't put my name on this, you know the quality control isn't there,

like all these people, like people loved it. They loved just because like I tried my best to like make it an experience. I was doing the fucking best I could do to do it. And I just had so much like anxiety. Yeah, I was like running around. I had them all in these different stations. And it was pandemonium.

It's ridiculous, dude. And then the rate that you get, you like get such a small percentage when you ever really cannibalize all business. It just devalues what you provide. I remember running boot camps at the same time. And in the area that I was at There was a ton of other boot camps that were there and I saw the riding on the wall right away with it I'm like this is awful

This is gonna cannibalize my business if anything is a huge mistake and so everybody it would be funny because all of us boot camp Run guys that ran boot camps and girls that ran boot camps would talk to each other about what everyone's doing and I'm like No, I'm and you were watching me grow mine and it was like I had 10 then 12 and 15 then 20 It was real slow natural growth, but yeah, exactly and that allowed me to do it allowed me to see things that I needed to implement And then I got to a point where I had enough boot camps where I can no longer do my stuff Now I could hire someone to do it now have it implemented like a structure to what the system, you know all that stuff like and then I watched Matters dude. Oh, they all died. Well, I watched all of them die and it was like, dude,

it was, it was really sad because they didn't see it, and it could turn into this hustle of dropping rates and prices, and I was continued to increase my rates on what mine was because I was providing more. Do you talk about, talk about a segment of the fitness industry that we saw explode and then boot camps? Yeah.

Boot camps was a thing for a little while. It's still, it still is. Now they're like, but way, I mean, they evolve, it's more like a group class, like you know, with equipment and stuff. It's not like the boot camp where you just, willy-nilly go to some park and, you know, just hope you flood it with people.

It's definitely not as big as it was, or at least not as popular as it was. There was a period there, it felt like everybody was there. It was the answer to the, we got to, I mean, I got to work during the before and beginning of the dot com era, you know, and then watch the rise. And it was like, then it became this thing, like, especially in California, it was the cool thing to have a trainer. Like, so anybody who made good money and in the Silicon Valley, dude, it was all over

the place. So everybody had a trainer. They got used to that lifestyle and being cool and saying I got my trainer. And then it became, I can't really afford my trainer because everyone's.com shit started to crash or everybody was losing money.

So it was the closest way that you could still say, I got a trainer that's kind of like, he's my trainer. Cause he helps me and five other ladies, or you know what I'm saying? Like that was, that was your way of feeling and you're paying a quarter of the price, you know.

And it was smart for trainers because it's like, oh, now I can convince these people just to spend 200 bucks a month on me or 300 bucks a month and I'll see them four or five times a week. At first you just go to a park, take these people and then eventually the park started getting a little wise on it. I'm like, no, you got to pay. I can't come.

I can't come. Oh yeah, I can't come. Yeah, that's the last time. Because otherwise it was getting crowded. I remember that. I got to become a thing there for some new city crackdown. Do you speak into technology? My, so my son went to this high school,

like what is it? What are the tour of the kids who are about to go there or whatever. So he would check that out. And then you got one of the newspapers there. And I'm reading this article on this book called I Gen. So there's a book, so I Gen like iPhone iGeneration and it talks about the smartphone generation and the statistics surrounding it. I have never seen this this data before

but what they do is they show statistics with millennials on particular parameters like hanging out with friends, getting a driver's license, having sex, like all that kind of stuff, and they draw a line from when the iPhone was released in 2007. Holy shit, if I show you these graphs, I would see it can day out. I'm gonna see it. Doug, if I forward you all of these pictures, can you put them up on the screen? Just start contrast.

Can you put them on? All right, because you literally see that you just interrupt Doug's shopping. Up. Is that what's going on there? Add to car. He's on prime right now. Can you put them on? All right, because you literally see that you just interrupt dogs shopping up Is that what's going on? He's on prime right now. What do you do? A dog? You interrupt your shopping? What do you, what do you, what do you do? You need that drone? So oh He's showing us the article. Oh, yeah, no, that's the that's the book That's the book. So I'm I'm messaging you are you reading this book? No, no, no

These pictures were taken from the newspaper which took them from the book. So this article in the newspaper was, I guess this speaker went to this high school and did this, this talk and went over all the stuff with the kids, but the data and hopefully when Doug gets it, you should be getting it sent to you via text pretty soon, Doug, when you get it, post it up there because it's like the craziest, the craziest, starkest thing I've ever seen in terms of, you can see clearly what happens after the iPhone is released, so pretty cool stuff.

So we'll wait until he pulls that up. It's still, it's flying. It looks like an air wave. You didn't get any good. Oh, you should be getting it. Yeah, so I want to see how crazy is it that, is it, that you're making it sound like it's fucking ridiculous? Bro, it's like,

technology feels so slow right now. It's, it's, it's talking about like, awesome it is. So like the first one, the first one is not hanging out with friends. And this is between eighth, tenth, and twelfth graders. Not getting a driver's license dating, less sex. There's a, there's a few of these that are, I want to read this. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, few of these that are, I wanna read this.

I want to read it. I jeans the book. Anyway, in terms of cool breakthrough stuff, I'll tell you guys about something else while Doug's trying to get that. So I started experimenting with turmeric, taking a lot of turmeric. So you know, it organifies all those products.

I haven't taken turmeric and high doses. And when I say high doses, I'm taking about eight capsules a day of it. Great for information. Well, you know, you guys know I've been changing my workouts. I'm trying to go outside of my comfort zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been doing heavy, I did the other day.

I did 365 pound trap bar farmer walks for 50 yards for speed, which is like hoofing it too. Bro, that's a whole different. You ever done some monster, dude? Have you done farmer walks for 50 yards for speed which is like hoofing it to bro That's all that's a whole different you ever have you done some monster did have you done farmer walks with like that much weight How much three sixty five the trap bar with the trap bar? I don't know if I try to do that before the trap bar. I'm done heavy with the trap It feels like well when you have that much weight You have to like every step you have to be very careful because I like it totally fuck my knee up Yeah, I step for all of this but anyway, I'm doing all these different workouts.

I'm getting really sore. So I started about four days ago taking the turmeric for the organified turmeric, and I'm taking it with fish oil, which I normally take. And because I know helps your body absorb it. And dude, like significant difference in soreness and stiffness, I feel way looser, very interesting.

So I looked it up on examine.com and the evidence on how effective turmeric is for, or cuckuman, which is the active ingredient on inflammation is actually better than I thought it was. I thought it wasn't. I've heard that, like forever. Everybody always mentions turmeric. And you know, I, that's interesting that, yeah,

so it's validated through examin' on. No, it's legit. So, I think something like turmeric might be an effective, especially for if you're feeling anxious or you're feeling kind of down because sometimes that can give you sign that you're just too much inflammation in your brain, stiff joints, or if you're pushing your workout so hard that you're teetering on that edge, like I am of overdoing it and doing the right amount. And so are you using it like, you know, that old study with like ibuprofen

and you know, how like some of the athletes that were taking it going into the workouts actually didn't have this is great a gains as the person that kind of went through it. And then that's a good point because, but the problem, the difference is ib I be profan and NSAID's inhibit inflammation from a completely different pathway. I think what turmeric is doing is it's bringing,

it's bringing inflammation down to normal, healthy levels. I don't think you could like depress it below that with something like turmeric, but still... Because it's just a natural herb. But still, inflammation is a signal. So I'm using it now because I know I'm pushing my body on the line. So I think I'll benefit from it. If I'm working out like super easy and stuff like that, I mean, there's definitely health

benefits, but I don't know if I'd be taking eight capsules a day for inflammation. So it looks like you got them up, Doug. Can you enlarge that picture right there? Is that line that toothed? Is that line going from seven when the iPhone was? Yeah. So do you Is that line that, that's 2007 when the iPhone was? Yeah, so do you see that line that goes through? She just takes a total die. So that's not hanging out with friends.

So the percentages on that, and I can pull up the percentages, are, tell me the numbers. That looks like a fucking cliff. Oh, oh, bro. It does look good. Bro, the iPhone was released in 2007, and the amount of people, the times per week teenagers go out with their friends, right? It was up to almost three times a week in 1976, took a little bit of a dip in 1980, but

then it remained around 2.7 till like 2006. At this point right now, it's down to 2.3 for 12th graders and 10th and 8th graders is down to less than two times per week. That's after the iPhone was released. Yeah, the next one, driver's license, this is a big one. Percentage of 12th graders who drive in 1976, it was, yeah, in 1976, it was like 85%. And then it got down to about, oh shit, less sex is on there. We're having less sex.

Less sex. Well, yeah, you're not going out as much. Bro, that totally counters your argument on the, oh, I do that statistic. I knew that. I just thought that sex was becoming less meaningful, but in terms of amount of sex and all that stuff, you would think those would be correlated.

Did it, if you're, if you're, maybe, yeah, maybe. Why wouldn't they be? It makes, I don't know. I'd have to dive deeper. If you're being more promiscuous, you would be out having more sex. Like, what if you viewed it less meaningful? Yeah.

Or if you just have less opportunities, or if there's just porn. Right. Are we talking about volume? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so check this out. Drivers license. 85% of kids in 12th grade had a driver's license and that went down to almost to about 75% so far. So 10% drop like that right away. Less dating, let's see, and less sex. Thank you, Iphone. Yeah. It's crazy what it's doing.

So you guys know the experiment and do it. Well, it's the natural progression if ready player one is where we're heading. Oh my god It looks a lot like oh look at the sleep one look at that sleep one. I got to pull that one up Where'd you get that one is that? You sent it. Oh, yeah, I know I sent it Oh more likely to feel lonely depression is on the rise big time. That's kind of scary Not like oh look at this less likely to get percentage of 8th 10th and 12th graders who get less than seven hours of sleep most light night in 1991 it was

25% in 2005 it was it looks like about 33% today 40% You know what's funny. I wonder I wonder how much of a contribution this is this is because the mental health of kids in the state of course Of course, how important are your relationships with others the way you start to share play toys communicate All those things how could that not impact you later in life You're doing a losing sleep some of the most formative years of the brain

is happening between like seven and fucking 12. Well, this is eighth grade up to 12th grade. So they're a little older, but still, the brain is still developing it. Yeah, no, but I'm saying that though, that's now impacting those young of minds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

This study is showing these age, but those young of minds are already being impacted by all of these technology. I never see a kid out without, with parents, with their kid, these age, but those young of minds are already being impacted by all of these technology. I never see a kid out without, when parents, without their kid, without the kid having some kind of, oh, I know. Device in front of them, people literally are walking

and crosswalk, like looking at their phone. So, me and Jessica did this experiment, and my ex-wife was, she's on board with it, where we told our kids that they get a maximum of the whole week, four hours hours of electronic time total per kid. So there's a couple of things I want to achieve with this one. I want them to learn how to sacrifice and save which they can do. So if they want like a weekend where they spend four hours watching TV and playing video games, they can sacrifice all week for that. So that's cool. But the other thing too

is I think they're just even if you don't even even though I'm kind of aware of it, because it wasn't structured, for sure my kids were on too long, for sure. Anytime that I wasn't with them or whatever, that's what they chose to do. So we said, okay, let's make it four hours, which by the way, my son had a big, big problem with, we had to have this long discussion with. And he's like, why are you punishing me? I'm such a good kid. And I'm like, this isn't a punishment. And so I had to go on this whole thing and he's like, why are you punishing me? I'm such a good kid and I'm like, this isn't a punishment. And so I had to go on this whole thing. But we looked at their behavior,

like, you know, how often were they doing the responsibilities, how were they doing their schoolwork, how they were interacting with each other with us, dramatic improvement. Like that. It's actually, it makes me feel terrible because of before. I feel terrible. Now do you think it's this crazy like in the Midwest

or do you think we live in a very accelerated place? Oh no, I think it is. I think it's bad everywhere. It is what? It's just as bad anywhere you go now, just because of the access. You really think so, you really think it's like, but I think there's a lot of like bubble tech stuff

we talk about, you know, being in the Silicon Valley here, but like everybody has a phone. Yeah. So yeah, they're all interacting with it. They same exactly. Well, let me ask you this Adam, because you grew up out in the sticks compared to me, right? Right. Because I grew up here in San Jose.

So you grew up out in the sticks. Imagine if you were 13, 14, 15, you know, or 8, 9, 10, whatever, in the sticks, 2 days. I already know where you're going. And I would probably, I would bury myself. It would have been more, I'm thinking, you know, or 8, 9, 10, whatever. In the sticks, two days. I already know where you're going, and I would probably, I would bury myself. It would have been more, I'm thinking, because there's less things to do. I mean, we had the tech then,

it's, is it really that different? Because tech then was like the video games, right? Yeah, but it was, it is the same. Yeah, well, but I mean, there's just the, everything's on there. Every generation's gonna say that, right? The generation, 20 years from now, we'll look back at the tech now and go like,

oh, that's just not the same. But kids are way more the same but kids are what it was it was it was just as addictive I could I mean I've admitted playing around the clock with my friends I mean I remember not sleeping at all going from you know we literally literally we used to line the room with Pepsi and pizza And we'd be fucking going from 8 p.m. all the way till 6 a.m. the next morning. Then it wasn't an appendage. Well, that's where it, now that's the part that's scary. If I had that same fun in my pocket, you know, saying because that was so much fun.

Not only that, but it's not only video games, it's videos, it's social media, it's texting with my friends, it's whatever you want, right? Whatever you want that can start. Well, this is one of that book that you used to tease me all the time about bringing up all the time. Why it was such a powerful reason of it? Irresistible. Who wrote that?

Adam Allen. Okay, thanks. I'll put that in a while. I'll show him glad. We should make it a little. They cover all of this. It's all in the book. It's such a great read for anybody who's even interested.

If you've tuned out, you don't give a shit about this conversation and move along. But if you are even interested in this conversation, that book's a must read, man. Well, the way I look at it is this. I noticed a big enough change in my kids that it terrified me because of how long before that, I didn't do that, because they're literally different children.

And they're not bad kids. They've always been great kids, but they're more interactive with each other. They're laughing. They're being more creative. They're super respectful, less irritable. They go to bed and they go to sleep easier. And they weren't crazy users.

I know a lot of kids are. So it's made me have to self reflect and even now my kids and Jessica will point how often I'm on my phone. So I'm trying to make a difference there. Here's a thing. If you have kids, this is the processed food issue of this generation. Yes. It's the same thing it was for us with processed foods where people didn't

really understand the, we kind of knew it wasn't good, but it wasn't a big video. That's a good, yeah. 100%. Yeah. Because everybody eats, right? And at this point, it's like everybody has a phone. It's like, you know, it's part of the ritual. It's the same thing when we were kids, parents,

you know, they kind of knew processed food sugar, probably not good, but it wasn't that big of a deal. So kids were just breakfast, processed food, lunch, processed food. Hot pockets. It was sodas, it was hot pockets, it was moon pies, it was, you know, sugar all the time and eat as much as you want, no limits.

Now parents are more aware, because now we've had a couple generations and now parents are actually paying attention to what their kids are eating much more than when we were kids. Today the same issue is, or similar, but what we need about it. What a great metaphor. That's fucking so on point with that. Oh, I think I, I, I 100% get on board with that and agree with that's what's where we're heading with that.

I think our kids, like my kids kids, they're gonna be more strict. Well, look back and be like, are you fucking kidding me? We used to let our kids just fucking carry their phone around. Absolutely. Because I mean, they're it's, they're in the book. They talk about how it's arguably more addictive than like drugs and cocaine.

And it's because we've normalized it because it's, it is. And the negatives aren't so obvious. You know what I mean? It's not like you're like, oh, you're definitely doing too much heroin. How do you know? Well, you passed out and you were drooling on the floor,

like you're using too much tech. What does that look like? I mean, maybe we're subtle. I mean, maybe we're subtle. I know like people are buying more of these like Apple watches and it's actually becoming a little bit more of a relevant thing just because if they actually have like, I believe the third generation,

you can actually take calls, you don't even need your phone, you know, in proximity, you can actually start to take calls directly on your watch. And so it's like, you know, I could in fact then, you know, sever the tie to like, you know, if I get a phone call, now I'm on the phone, now I'm looking at Facebook, you know, sever the tie to like, you know, if I get a phone call, now I'm on the phone, now I'm looking at Facebook, you know,

like almost like starts that whole process where you get like consumed because you're on this box that like has fucking everything. So I don't necessarily think that's gonna make a huge impact in the change. What I see that's happening with tech is there's three phases and we've seen with each phase a dramatic increase in usage.

The first phase was a home computer. So now computers existed before that, but now you have this box in your house that's this computer and computers are obviously powerful and can do all these things. That dramatically increased the amount of time people were on technology were in front of a screen. Then it stayed stable though for a while. I mean, it was growing, but it wasn't exploding until it became a mobile, which is your cell phone.

And then it became, well, now this is an accessory. Now, my phone is like a purse or like anything else or the way it looks and this is why iPhones do so well. I mean, the reality is like iPhone tech is typically as good as like Samsung or. I could argue some of the stats on there as far as the relationship building too though.

Like I think it's improved. There's some things that have really improved that. Oh, for sure. I have the ability. I'm just saying the usage. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I think the next phase is gonna be when it's a part of your body.

That'll be when forget about it. And that's common, dude. That is so common. Well, we'll do it. Well, it's what we do always, right? We're gonna push the boundaries as far as they can until we start to see, oh, shit. Okay, that. That is so common. Well, we'll do it. Well, it's what we do always, right? We're going to push the boundaries as far as they can until we start to see, oh, shit, okay, that was a little too far.

Like, that's now causing more damage than it's helping. It's interesting because I think it's going to pose like the next big, massive problem for humanity to figure out. We talked about AI earlier with that video from Elon Musk. Like, technology is so powerful and has benefited us so much that we almost assume it can't do anything bad or there's nothing wrong with it. Right, because we created it.

And this is gonna be a lesson that we learn. I just hope we survive this lesson, but it could be a lesson that's learned in a terrible way. I mean, who knows, you know what I mean? Who knows what that's gonna be like, but I don't know, man. I'm, who knows? Who knows what that's going to be like, but I don't know, man. Imagine being the guys that are making the decisions to make these things addictive, dude. And you know it. Like, how do you, like, I wonder how hard that, I think a lot of

them lie to themselves. Have to. I think you're lying themselves. I'm not, or you're evil. You know, I mean, right. But I think you lie to yourself. Well, it's back to the processed food thing, you know, it's like,'s like they're scientists that helped to make it more addictive must have felt the same thing, right? They're like, oh, we're getting them to, that flavor so powerful, it's gonna just really hit their palate and all.

We're gonna get them. Like, evil bastard. Well, I think at the same time, I don't think I want to think they're not evil like that. No, yeah, that's a joke. I think they're thinking, oh, it's so easy to, it's so convenient, you know, it's gonna at long shelf life and moms are gonna love this

because they don't have time to feed their kids sometimes. I know, sure, sure. Cause that was a big one. That was a, another, I mean, part of that whole process food revolution was the percentage of moms that went to work really started to go up. And so it drove process food on top of it.

So not only is processed food so tasty and whatever, you had a lot of moms going back to work less time. So now it's like it was a perfect storm. Speaking of processed food, you said something when we were cooking up the bacon the other day about the bacon being a process. How processed is bacon? So bacon can be minimally processed,

but it's almost always like seasoned or smoked or you know, it's prepared in a particular way. So it's not just carved off from the pig, and then here's bacon. It's, there's something else that's typically done to it, which is why it's got that really salty. Yeah, it's really like a texture thing to that for sure. What is it called, Doug?

What do they do with the bacon to process? Nitrate, isn't it? Nitrate? Well, no, it's like a line maybe? Yeah, it's like they actually have to make it into bacon. They soak it. They have to do something to it to make it basic.

So that's what I was wondering. I didn't know that. You kind of checked me when we were talking because I said something on the video and I didn't even, I didn't realize I said it. And you came, I'm, thank God for you. You covered it. Oh, I think I was, we were talking about the pork

and I would say it's, it's grass finished. Oh yeah it. I was, we were talking about the pork, and I was saying it's grass finished. Oh yeah. Like, because we were talking about beef just earlier, right? Oh yeah, no, that'll be pigs. Right, right, that's why. I, I, I, I, they feed them everything. When you corrected me right away, like I made that connection, but we had just gotten talking about the beef,

and we're talking about that. We were doing like one of those commercials, and talk about that, be it to help, doing that commercial, we did a commercial that, be the hell of fun. We're doing that commercial. We did a commercial for the show. I've never grilled bacon either. I didn't know that was gonna go, dude. You should've seen, so we start the commercial off, right?

So we just did a commercial for butcher box and we decided we're going to grill bacon on one of those little, you know, yeah, a little tailgate, barbecue grill, or what do I tell you guys, we'll see the video soon on YouTube. But anyways, we're doing the commercial. I the whole time we're planning this like Taylor's organizing it He's running it like Doug's Doug's not even really like having to do it with much other and I could see the look of concern

On Doug's face and me as we're gonna get all You're open flame. There's gonna be smoke We're in the studio and I'm with Taylor. I'm like fucking bro. We're gonna be fine We're good. We're good. We're good. Let's just make sure the grease is got a place to go Okay, we'll be all right worst case scenario. We can open the doors It was a video on my get burned. No, whatever it was a video on is on fat. Oh fat. We talked about fat That's what we talked about fat and then we said it was like we were you know product placement because they're they're one of our Sponsors now and they're by the way,, dude, the barbecue we did at your house, with the meat.

Phenomenal. I mean, I typically don't like, and I'm being honest here, the taste of grass fed and finished beef. I mean, I'll eat it, but it doesn't, it just be on the table. Talk about that. Yeah, you eat it like, talk about that. First of all, because I remember,

this was a learning curve for me when I started even just starting to shop organic and buy organic foods way back when and I didn't really I figured if it was organic and it said grass fed then it's it's grass fed right. I didn't know that there's a lot that they get there's certain laws that allows them to to say that and they can still finish the we need a the grass once. Yeah, we need to. They can still finish it and feed it gray. The toiletors, yeah. I don't know what the exact regulations are,

but I don't know either. I know they exist. I know they could switch their feed from grass to grain for the last, I forgot, X amount of time, months, fatten them up for market. Well, here's the thing. So when cattle is fed primarily, or only grass, the fatty acid profile

is a little bit different. And the meat tastes a little different. I don't know if you guys know this, but back in the day, back in like the 60s and 70s, and I know this because my uncle told me this or my cousin, I should say, he told me this. He goes back when we were buying beef at the grocery store in the 60s and 70s, the grain fed beef was more expensive.

That's what people wanted because of the taste, the marbling and the taste. He goes, it's so funny now that people want grass fed, but it's the fatty acid profile is different. And typically, if it's grass fed, it's grass. I totally believe that's exactly how the market would have dictated it.

Totally. So, and grass finished means that the... What a trip. That's why we're at where we are, you know? Like that was what everybody wanted. And that's what the market changed. Oh, okay. So what they'll do is they'll feed the cattle grass.

And then it's the last 90 to 160 days that they'll feed them grain. And the reason why they do this is grain fattens them up differently. It creates different, again, different fatty acid profile, slightly different nutrient profile. And so the taste is a little bit different, and we like people typically like the taste of

grain, fed, or finished cattle. Now, here's the thing about butcher box, it's grass fed and grass finished, so it's like an organic, the highest quality you can get. If you're into health, highest quality. However, when you were grilling on, like, well, let's see how the taste is. Yeah, I was totally concerned.

I couldn't tell the difference. Totally concerned of that. Yeah, I was concerned actually. I could, I could tell a little bit. I could tell a difference. Yeah, yeah, I could tell a difference, but this is not my first grass fed grass finished. Well, yeah, I've had the opposite.

Yeah, so I've had like, you know, the super, you know, grain fed and then also like, alternatively, I've had the grass fed and it was like a stark stark contrast. So this was like a very nice in between kind of a palette for that. But dude, okay, so talking about burgers, I have to throw this in there because this almost maybe lose my breakfast this morning, dude, this was horrible.

You have to see, so there's this company in, I think it's North Carolina that, I don't know if this is a brilliant marketing move or if this is just like total click bait or whatever, but there's this challenge to eat a burger with basically a big, huge, hairy spider on top. Whoa. I don't even wanna see this, dude. Oh, I don't wanna see that.

I don't see it that shit. So you know what you win for eating this in? A free burger. A t-shirt. You're gonna eat a tarantula on a burger for a t-shirt. You have to eat the spider too. Yeah bro, of course. What the, yeah they're like season it

and they leave the hair on it too. I'm like at least take care of the hair. Obviously nobody in this room would do that for a t-shirt. However, what is the minimum amount you could take? I don't know. I've already kind of an arachnophobe, like just on a small level. Oh, no, I'm making my mouth water right now. Like I see it's already turning. I'm imagining, I'm imagining biting into it in a crunches. Seriously, think about it. Then it comes to life also. You're the most likely to do it.

Me? Oh, hell, I hate spiders. Hell. What's the butt taste like? That's probably like all the guts. It explodes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

It's so wrong. Okay, so what's the minimum you take? Realistically, somebody walks in right now and says, I will give you this much money. I think I have a number for shit that I think is not a big deal. Shit that I think is not a big deal, then shit's like, no, that would be really, really rough for me. That's a really, really rough one for me,

so I have to make a lot of it. It had to be serious money. Serious? Yeah, serious money. Five grand wouldn't do it? No! You wouldn't need that for five grand. Fuck, no, five grand, come on. on you work a little hard one day make extra five

My head right now Ten grand not even you're not even close in my radar. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, no, it'll be north of a hundred Oh my 50 G's you wouldn't eat that for five. No, you will see us. I said you might that's not enough for 50s. I think that might be my threshold. Dude, anything less feels like, you know, 50 G's. I could do without it.

I could do that. Yeah, I'd wear a clothespin my nose. Can I blend it and drink that shit? No, you can't do that. No, you have to chop it. You got a chop. Yeah, you got to eat the whole thing. Which it is, okay, well, what area of it are you going to start with?

I would take this. You go and ask first. I would go and fangs things I already know what I Know what I do I would take the book I'm watching I'm looking at the picture right now And it's a it's a bun. We need to send the show notes to Jackie's you put the same. Oh my god He's there's a bun a piece of lettuce a burger Don't know why they put the lettuce in there and then there's a massive spider that covers like most of the burger It's huge and then the bun is trancelate.

So here's what I would do. I would take the bun and I put it on top and I crushed it down as hard as I could flatten that shit out. I'm trying to like smash it. If you're allowed to do that. And I don't think you, I wouldn't allow you to do that if we're talking money. If I gotta pay you 15, it's not changing the rule. He's like smashing it, trying to be like cheese.

It's like a chain on. It's your dude. It's already a chain on man. You're dude. It's already too late. I already said 50 Gs. I would smash that shit down and have a big old glass of water and I'd go go go real fast. I'd take it like supplements. That's what I would do.

Oh my god. You know what I'm saying? What if he had to watch it move around first and be alive and then they killed it and yet eat it? Oh, I don't care. As long as it's dead, I won't do it alive. But you remember it moving around. Oh, you know, I mean, I don't care shit about its life.

You do what I feel bad. Not about that. Just like, oh no, like it just, that image goes into your head while you're eating it. Did you guys know I want? There's a Mexican restaurant in San Jose that serves tacos. So like, you know, and they look pretty good

with the ground beef and our, and crickets, dead crick, dry crickets in San Jose. That's San Jose. Was that the one that was put on the form? crickets, dry crickets in San Jose. That's San Jose? Was that the one that was put on the form? Yes, there's a place in San Jose. Dude, so guess what? I was like, you're alive. No, I think we should.

It'd be like a challenge. I'll send it to Taylor. I'd be a quick. I would much rather eat that than I would a spider. That would be a good YouTube video. Us eating the taco with crickets. Why are you signing us free? I'll send it.

I'm a sign. Man, we didn't mean challenge or anything. Do it for the video. Do it for the views. I'm gonna send it to Taylor. You know if I send that to Taylor, he'll make us do it. Yeah, don't you dare. I don't wanna do that. That's it right there. What's it called? Mezcal? Mezcal?

Where's it at? Look at ladies. Miling on me. It's downtown on second. Just make sure you give me a couple of shots. Send the handle. It's not for us. It's not for us.

Yeah, no, it's down to the street. Can you look up the, does it have the menu? Of course, I'm not gonna show the picture of the crickets in here. Oh, no, if you Google mesgal restaurant, cricket, talk about it. Right, but they're not gonna advertise it on their website. It's probably on some, yeah, blog or something.

Look at her, she's the lady on their socks, so happy that she is serving people. Oh, look, see, right there. Yeah, shit. Oh, guess what I'm doing with you guys on video no Cool you're not gonna do it I had a hard time at a hard time doing the cricket the cricket chips that we got Oh, and you wouldn't even know if we said anything, huh? You wouldn't have known had we not said no

I just feel a little legs to the whole teeth. It's just weird being crunchy. You know what I just imagine? Crickets being crunchy. What do you do when you eat a cricket chip and you see like a bug in there? Do you get mad? Yeah.

You're like, oh bonus. Can you return it? I mean, hey, I want my money. I know, right? It's brilliant. It's brilliant. Yeah, because that was a big thing. You got a food product and there's bugs in it.

Yeah. Yeah, how do you test? Of course there's bugs in it. That's a good question. brilliant, yeah, because that was a big thing. You got a food product and there's bugs in it. Yeah, how do you test? Of course there's bugs in it. That's a good question. How do you test for that? Because most of the time they have tech, like the FDA just gives them a pass. Yeah, this is like any insects in this book

that goes off. Just littered with cockroaches. Right. They're just like, hey man, we're selling bugs. That would be the hustle for a company like that. That's the hustle. We could do it.

I imagine crickets are more expensive to get than cockroaches. Everyone will give you cockroaches. I would imagine so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No more. Multiply. Cockroaches chips. So how funny is that?

Cockroaches and crickets, I have no idea. I'm totally guessing. I'm sure have similar nutrition. What's the stigma? I'm sure they taste similar. That's what I'm saying. So what a hustle that would be. What if I'm just an insect company by day, and you go go collect instead of like killing the it's because of how they live

Yeah, yeah, what a smart business cockroaches. We could totally just set tell people hey We do free cockroach removal removal of your house. Yeah, and people like no, thank you Terminator, thank you, so and we're getting free You know that people down you know Casey told me because they do they do marketing for like insect people stuff You said you know what he told me people yeah, we are exterminators exterminator Insequival

How do I Why weren't you there to save you earlier? Like make it always weird mandible noises. No, but like the hustle is to like go and put eggs and shit at people's houses. Oh go and invest someone's house. Oh, that is the dirtiest thing ever. Can I tell you something? Oh, there's a few and they call it my pay. Does anybody need a exterminator? Along with people, dude, there are a few things that would make me like murder someone for real. Like actually kill someone. Youest my house with bugs.

You're gonna get a baby. That's the same guy that walks around with a syringe, giving people AIDS. I mean, the same guy. That's the same guy. That's a tough pair of guys. Yeah, that is. That's it.

Come on, it's on the same level. Not as good of a metaphor. Just a little bit of a little extreme with that. Just as like, damn, sound like a good metaphor. Yeah, I'm gonna come up with that. I gotta, I gotta trump it with this one Hey guys, you know what traffic's like? It's like AIDS like what?

Oh my god You went with it. Oh, go stop just stop right there. It's fine. No, that's fucked up. You know what else is fucked up when you Just, stuff right there. It's fine. No, that's fucked up. You know what else is fucked up? When you, cause my house got robbed years ago, right? So that by itself is fucked up. Oh, did you see the stat on the rob?

The robbery thing on the, that we talking about? No. On the forum. Oh, 60%. Yeah, 60, 40. Get away, 60% of bank robbers get away. Fuck and crazy. Not a bad person.

I think they were talking about it. Hey, hold on a second. You can't, you can't talk. I'm gonna show you guys some math right now. The odds of starting a business at 60%. Yeah, you're more successful. You can't you can't talk. I'm gonna show you guys some math right now The odds of starting a business My my you said some things so right that one blue If you know your kid comes hey dad I want to take 50 grand what am I doing and I want to start a better success Go rob a big like son. Let me show you the stats. You're success rates about 30%.

And you're not even gonna make that much money. Like here's some movies, here's point. How would you like to double your percentage of success? And I know you're gonna be able to do it. You'll be able to do it. You know, like you gotta go Robba to your homework. Go Robba Biggs. Isn't that fascinating though?

I mean, I was so fascinated when I first heard that you just, I never thought that. I figured they all got caught. I don't even remember where I was going with I was gonna say something interesting. I don't remember. Don't be hijacked. They said, well just, I never thought that. I figured they all got caught. I don't even remember where I was going with it. I was gonna say something interesting. I don't remember. Totally hijacked you. They sent them.

Well you said robbery and that popped in my mind. Oh my house. So after my house got broken into, I guess who comes to my door like three days later, fucking alarm company, hey, you know, there's been some break-ins in the neighborhood. Oh shit. Oh interesting.

I'm in a state of hyper-vigilance. So if you're a dad and your house gets broken into, do you have kids? You know what I'm talking about? I wouldn't like your ear grizzly bear. Everybody's a suspect. Everybody. Bro, I'm looking at people walking by my house,

I'm like, oh, kick that motherfucker. I am crap about a crossbow. What you mean about a sword? It was ridiculous. The crossbow does sword. He's, who buys a crossbow, dude? Who buys a crossbow? Somebody who's thinking like, would you like playing World of Warcraft at the time, or?

No, I'm just thinking, that's a, that's a gangster way to take someone out. Well, it's a good murder weapon. There's a big deal of trace here, right? But you're gonna go pull the fucking thing out of them. Plus for zombie apocalypse, you don't run out of bullets, you just get the same one. Legendary stuff. I watch, you know, what's that?

Do you have like a Robin Hood thing where you throw or you're shoulder and you can keep your arrows back? That's for sex. That's nothing to do with it. Crossbow. But anyway, they come to my door and they're like, oh, you know, you're interested. And I'm looking, I'm like, you motherfucker,

you came and did this to my house. So you could sell me insurance or a alarm company. Oh, you're on that level. Anyway, that's the worst. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-edit edge.

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What it says. Taylor, respond to this question. Higher reps. Oh, yeah. that's a good line You don't do more reps picture reps or higher Indeed indeed boom, but I'm so cannabis. That's an interesting one because The jury's kind of out still and what I mean by that is so statistically So the there's been studies to show that cannabis reduces reaction time, power output and speed,

but you also have a lot of athletes using cannabis for their training and some people saying it's a performance enhancer. Now one of the things about cannabis is painkiller anti-inflammatory, but it also is a consciousness ultra. Now if you go too far and ultra you're conscious there's too much and have too much cannabis, I can't imagine you succeeding at anything

other than having strange conversations with your friends. So I don't think that's a good idea, but I think a little bit, because I've read articles written by like high level endurance runners and I've talked to people, and our podcasts let's us talk to all these high performing athletes.

And a lot of them will say when they're doing endurance sports or they're doing things that are repetitive, like running for miles or swimming or, you know, something that just kind of repetitive, but not super high intensity, more moderate intensity, but for long duration. They're saying it works well. I heard a lot of you get you guys mentioned

that it works well for them. I could see that because jujitsu can definitely turn, not always, but it can definitely turn into this moderate intensity, like long duration endurance game, especially when you're high level and you're going again, someone else at high level, it's like chess and it's like, you're definitely exerting yourself,

but you're flowing, you're going a little slower, you're conserving energy and so I can see how cannabis may benefit something like that. Do you think it's possible to smoke too much and then blunt the recovery process at all? I think it'll reduce inflammation but it may as a result reduce the signal, right? That muscle building signal, that adaptation signal. That's something that I'm thinking about. I know a lot of bodybuilders that use it. This post workout, right?

Yeah, and this is also one of those things too that I think it's gonna be to each their own because we're so uniquely different with stuff like that, just how everything affects everybody's body a little bit different. I mean, I don't have a really, I don't like using cannabis at all for anything to do with my training. Like, I use it for other purposes. What about cardio or mobility, I don't have a really, I don't like using cannabis at all for anything to do with my training.

I use it for other purposes. What about cardio or less mobility, I'll say that'd be the only thing I would think it'd be awesome. Mobility and stretching is a whole, definitely a performance answer for me. Just a little nuance ways of moving your body, like, you know, under like a nice kind of low intensity feel to it would be, I feel would be a good fit. Yeah, no, I could see that, I could see Son, I could see all those things,

but when I think of workouts, I think of like training, right? Like I wouldn't want to for high-end, to see training. Any sort of training, like lifting, if I'm lifting weights, I'm not, I would try it. Oh, yeah, I have.

Yeah, because I had a buddy that when we were first getting in the cannabis industry, and remember, I was like anti-all that shit, so I wasn't using or trying any cannabis at all, just 10 years ago, or maybe 12, you know. And my buddy used to do it before he worked out. He loved it, and I tried it because it made a couple times with him, and I was just like, nah, it ain't for me, dude.

I'm already such a focused person when I'm lifting. Like I totally tune everybody out, I've got my headphones on, I feel very connected to my body when I'm lifting. Like I totally tune everybody out, I've got my headphones on, I feel very connected to my body when I lift. Like I don't need any distractions or anything that doesn't, could pull away from that. My mind trailing off like when you're high, you know?

To me, it's like, because I've definitely tried it and worked out and I lose that hard power strength edge that I get when I work out. My mind might trail off a little bit. Now I've tried it with like focus sessions, mobility sessions, trigger sessions, low intensity, like go into the gym and get a good pump

and a stretch and that kind of stuff. Then it's works great. Like if you're going to the gym and you're gonna go train, you're just gonna try and squeeze the muscle, isolate it, stretch it's works great. Like if you're going to the gym and you're going to go train, you're just going to try and squeeze the muscle, isolate it, stretch it, use machines and cables and that kind of stuff, then it's kind of cool because you're in this different space. But if I'm going to go after it, terrible.

I've done it before. It's like, I can't push as hard. I'd rather have caffeine. Like for me, the ultimate, free workout, anything is a stimulant. Like caffeine's great. Yeah, it's gotta be a stimulant, right? Yeah.

Because you go in and it just gives you that. It's that same, I mean, even that's why I listen to like really heavy music. And I understand like what it does to me. And it's just like, it puts you in that sort of state where you just, like you can easily access that sort of CNS response where you just like, you can tighten up. And I want that to kind of promote

moving heavy ass objects around. So your brain's almost halfway there already. You know, can you be flooded with the music? Now here's something interesting about cannabis that I'm starting to learn relatively recently. This is obviously a subject I love learning about. And so there's two cannabinoid receptors in the body. Cannabinoid receptors are where cannabinoids attach to.

And cannabinoids are a particular class of molecule. And our body makes its own cannabinoids, so they're called endocannabinoids, because they're in your body. One of them is called anandamide. But there's also phyto cannabinoids which are found in plants like cannabis. And they look similar and they fit like a key into these receptors. Now the cool thing about these receptors,

which I've talked about before, is these receptors, they're G-protein coupled receptors. And those kind of receptors are targeted by pharmaceutical companies, typically, because when you can activate them, they tell the cell to do something inside the cell. So they're a reliable type of cell that you wanna target with medicine.

So like the opiate receptors, I believe are these types of receptors. But the cannabinoid receptors are a version of these G-protein coupled receptors that are one of the most, if not the most, abundant in the body. So it's literally everywhere. And we've identified two of them.

There's CB1 and CB2 receptors. And THC attaches to, I forgot which one of them, but those are the receptors that cannabinoids attach to. Now here's the thing about CBD that's really interesting, because CBD is a cannabinoid in cannabis. And we know that CBD doesn't make you high, it's non-psychoactive, but it does have these medicinal effects,

it does have anti-seger effects, it's got, it's pro, you know, neo-genesis. So, neurogenesis, I should say excuse me, where the brain creates new brain cells, it's got all these positive benefits, but it doesn't make you high. Here's what Gitchfist's thing about this, and I'm learning more about this more recently. It doesn't attach to the CB1 or the CB2 receptor at all.

So it actually doesn't attach to those, but what it's doing is it's making your available endocannabinoids, it's making them or or it's opening up more receptors, or it's increasing circulating levels of your natural, one of those two things of your natural cannabinoids. So CBD is interesting because it doesn't affect the cannabinoid system in the sense that it doesn't attach to those receptors. It just increases or improves the way your body uses its own cannabinoids, which is kind of cool, right? So something that I think is fascinating about that

is if you're trying to go off of cannabis, you may start to feel withdrawal because anytime you hammer on a receptor, the body adapts and will down regulate those receptors or reduce its own production of something similar, if you're trying to go off of cannabis, what you might wanna do is just stick to CBD because that could make the transition so much better

because it makes the system operate. Oh, I think it would make sense the way you would taper off caffeine, like the similar way. I do that with my cannabis, because I'll go and if I catch myself where it's been like weeks where I've been consistently smoking, then I'll, and I know, and this is part of why I like to,

and I know it's not the healthiest way to consume it, but why I like to join is because I can see, I get relatively the same type of strains, I have a thing where I cycle through about six different types of strains, and I will, I bounce around, so I treat them the same way too. What that does, it keeps me from like,

getting used to that strain, and so the same potency is kind of consistent no matter what. So you know, like, oh, it normally takes me one hit to feel this way. Exactly. Now it's taking me two or three and then you notice that it's a breakdown. And so then I look at it like that, because that's all I need is like one, two, and I'm good. And it kind of sets me at ease. There's definitely a sweet spot.

Oh, there is. Like when you go too much, it's not. Definitely not gonna benefit anything. No, then you're just, then you're incredibly high, you can even get headaches from it, you know. And then you're also just pushing it up there. I think you get adapted to it faster. And then now you have to smoke a whole join and you're smoking all the time just to feel that, just feel that same feeling.

And it's like, so here's something else interesting about cannabis. Since we're talking about workouts, we're covering all that. Cannabis has been strongly connected to now So here's something else interesting about cannabis since we're talking about workouts recovery and all that. Cannabis has been strongly connected to now in several studies with lower body fat percentage and lower fasting glucose. So there's pharmaceutical companies right now, GW pharmaceuticals, one of them.

Make it fat burners. Well, no, well, they're investing in studying cannabinoids and as potential treatments for diabetes or pre-diabetes. But yeah, decreased fat loss or people are leaner when they have cannabis or at least it's connected and they think it has to do with the body, improving the way the body utilizes insulin or utilizes sugar, making you more insulin sensitive. This may be why it's good for the brain in some ways as well. Interesting. Yeah. They're showing that there's also prevents things like Alzheimer's. So it's not like a big commercial for cannabis. I know.

Here's the reality. It's going to be an individual thing and you can definitely use too much cannabis and too much cannabis is more as that amount is more than you is less than you think. A lot of people are like, oh, I don't have it every single day and I only have it, you know, four or five days a week. That's probably too much for most people to be on it. So, so look at it that way. Next question is from Jezusaur. Is it possible? New favorite name. I'm just picturing it right now. I'm a jazzo sore. Is it possible to keep or build muscle by adding more rest days and decreasing volume for a while after having overreached?

Dude, that's a really good question. It is. I've been guys ever experienced where you're training real hard, super consistent. Then you go on a trip for like four or five days. You come back to the gym, you're like, oh man, I'm going to be so weak. And then you're stronger. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's a good sign that you were doing too much before. Oh, yeah, 100%. But this is, I mean, if you're going to, if you're going to decrease volume to, I think you not only are not going to build muscle, but you're probably gonna see,

you're gonna atrophy a bit. It's just inevitable. I mean, you would got your body adapted to taking on that much volume and therefore it responded and built all this muscle. Now you realize you're overreaching and now you try to back it out. Well, yeah, you're gonna, it's, you're gonna,

it's like what we tell people that need to lose weight. They've been hammering their metabolism for some reason. It's like, yeah, it's like what we tell people that need to lose weight, like, and they've been hammering their metabolism for some reason. It's like, yeah, it's six months to go by and you're not gonna lose any weight. Like, it's just, and this is, it's unfortunate to hear this, but yeah, it's inevitable you're gonna lose it. I think if they're over-trained,

then that'll be where they can build muscle. If they're so over-trained, that's the only situation I feel like this is applicable to us. And they're saying over-reaching, which I'm assuming, that, you know, I know that term's been thrown around, like, over-trained. That's the only situation I feel like this is applicable to. And they're saying over-reaching, which I'm assuming that, you know, I know that term's been thrown around like over-training. I've experienced this. I remember specifically where I would follow a routine. Look, I'll tell you what, here's a great story. The first kinds of workouts that I did as a kid when I

started lifting weights were the ones that I pulled from Arnold Swartz and Eggers and Cyclopedia Bodybuilding. And Arnold put in the back of that a beginner routine, intermediate routine, and then his championship routine that he did when he was competing as Olympia. Now, which one do you think I picked to do? Right, I did Arnold's routine. And Arnold's routine was a double split routine. That means he trained some body parts in the AM,

some in the PM, and he hit the whole body three days a week and Every body part got between 15 to 20 sets per workout, okay? So think about that And I did and I did that I would live in the gym bro I know I was in my backyard I would I would go lift after school and then I'd lift again before bed So I do this double split like that right so it's like two or three o'clock and then again, like eight or nine o'clock at night and I take shakes and do the whole thing. And I got some results because I was a beginner and I'm a, you know, 14, 15, 16 year old kid. But then my body just plateaued hard, like no more progress. I wasn't super

muscular. I think I gained like 10 or 12 pounds on it and that was pretty much it. Nothing else was happening. Then I started reading about this bodybuilder who competed against Arnold in the 1980 Mr. Olympia, and they had this whole controversy. But part of the controversy was this particular bodybuilder who seemed very intelligent, his name was Mike Mensor. Mike Mensor, excuse me, he, the reason why I was controversial was because his training was so different from Arnold.

So Arnold came from the high volume, high frequency, like ridiculous recovery ability, you know, bombard your muscles with all kinds of sets and angles, mentality. And Mike Menser was one exercise to super ultimate failure and beyond per body part once per week, and that's it. So his workout was literally, you know, if I'm doing chest exercise today, I do one set, I go to crazy failure, throw in some partials or some force reps, and that's it.

And I'm doing anything else, and I wait till the next week. So different. And Mike Menser, he looks super muscular. His brother Ray Menser was super muscular and crazy, and they followed these workouts, and they were promoted by Arthur Jones, who was the creator of Nautilus equipment. He showed Casey Viader making all these so it was a whole marketing like who's gonna win this marketing more. So I bought heavy duty which was the book that Menser wrote and I followed that routine where I did one set

to failure per body part and I grew I gained like five to seven pounds of muscle in a very short period of time. And I know why that happened. It's because it was a total different stimulus. It was, I was overtrained to fuck before. And my intensity was higher than it was before. Of course, my body plateaued on that as well, because there's a little bit of truth in each of them. Rest is another variable in a sense.

If you want to stack them all together and these acute variables, whether it's the intensity, volume, whatever. It really matters how this person built up that volume to you. If this is somebody who's like, I'm picturing like the competitor or somebody who's been training for a long time and built up all that volume,

and then you realize that you've probably been overtraining your body and you step back. Initially, most people are going to see some atrophy. You're going to step down because you've decreased the volume so much and your body was so adapted and accustomed to that, that you'll see. But you'll take three steps back to take four steps forward. You know what I'm saying?

Have you ever done that though? You've never done that where you've backed off a little bit and you're like, whoa, I got more growth because I was doing too much before. Yeah, and I have. I have. I think there's cases of that, but I think there's also, I think it's important to mentally prepare yourself

that that's not your goal at that moment. Your goal is that I'm not changing, like you might have been as a key young teenage boy, but if you're somebody who's putting this together that, oh my God, I'm probably hammering myself too much, I need to back off a little bit. Like, you need to back off regardless if you lose a tiny bit of muscle weight.

Well, you know, here's a good example. It'll benefit you long-term. Well, here's a good example. It's like the long-term. Well, here's a good example. It's like the time, it's like when I learned not to go to failure. I decreased my intensity a little bit. I got muscle, you know what I mean? So I wasn't going as hard as I was before, which theoretically you would think, oh, you're gonna lose muscle, but instead, I gained muscle.

I think that there is a right amount of volume and frequency and intensity. And whatever that right amount is, is extremely individual from person to person. There's general, I can generally say the average person should hit their entire body between two to four days a week. Four days being this great recovery ability, decent genetics, been training for a while. Two days a week, probably the closer to beginner intermediate type of person, I think total volume for the week, I think anywhere between six sets per body part all the way up as high as like 30 sets per body part for the whole week.

And we can do this all the way down. So I think you've got to figure out what that number is, but I also think that that number changes as your circumstances change and your body changes too, right? Like, you know, if you're, if you're all super hard into training and you're doing all this volume, but now you're not sleeping as much because you have a new baby, you'll, you'll probably do better by doing less because your body can't handle as much. Next question is from Michael Sousel. Does hitting legs actually inadvertently help you grow your upper body? That used to be like something I used to have been said all the time when we were in the gym when we were younger

I remember saying saying to get hearing guys say that like oh man You need a squat if you want to increase your bench. I got here a guy say that like oh, yeah You want to get a better bench. You got a squat more and be like shaking my head like wait a second How does that work that doesn't make sense to me? Yeah, so There's a there's a, the law of radiation, irradiation. Dude, I don't know if that's the law that would, that would talk about that.

I know that that in terms of like, you'll be strong. There's a recruitment. Yes, not necessarily in terms of muscle development. But could that contribute to, to real? To real? In some, maybe small form. There's a localized, that's why I think it, it does. I think it does. Yeah, I think it, that's to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to gained everywhere, you know, eventually. Like, it wasn't like this. Oh, I started squatting now. My bench all started going up.

It was just like, no, I was kind of stuck in a weight and a strength on all my muscle groups for a while. And then I started to put a lot of energy and focus into building like a really strong base. And then I watched everything else go. Yeah, so there's two things that, well, there's a lot of things, but there's two main things here that happen when you work out with weights.

There's a localized of things, but there's two main things here that happen when you work out with weights. There's a localized anabolic effect, and then there's a systemic anabolic effect or non-localized. In other words, through the whole body. So if I work out my bicep, really, really hard, the majority of the adaptation, the majority of the anabolic effect is gonna be on the bicep. But there also is this body, this across your whole body. It's a chest-caating effect. Yeah, the systemic effect that happens

in the entire body that is anabolic and makes everything kind of wanna grow a little bit or everything kind of wanna build a little bit. Now the legs represent fully half of your body. So I use the bicep as an example, but if I didn't hit my biceps, wouldn't make a huge difference on the rest of my body. I mean, I'm sure if we had like super sensitive,

like high-tech equipment, we maybe can see something, but probably not gonna make that big of a difference. Your legs? Oh yeah, that's half your body. That sends a big, in comparison. Yeah, in comparison, it's a, not to mention a lot of the exercises

that are staple movements for building your legs, also have a lot of carry over into other muscles too. So you're getting the frequency aspect of, you know, you get under and you barbell squat, 200, 300 plus pounds, you get the work on your core, your back, your traps, your shoulders, your forearms. Because you're resisting your load of behind your back.

So your arms are contributing and your chest is trying to present itself up. So you are contracting. Yeah. And I mean, and that plays right into the frequency theory that of just making sure, I mean, those muscles are getting activated and at a intense level with a major amount of load, you don't think that's stimulated.

Oh, I remember the difference in my calves. My fucking tiny calves went from worse to less worse when I started squatting. I wasn't even adding any more volume or any more frequency to my calf training, but just because I started squatting more and because that's what's grounding me and that's having to stabilize and you're stretching it as you get into a really deep squat. Squat absorbing a lot of the forces. That's the word I was looking for. There's a local effect and there's having to stabilize and you're stretching it as you get into a really deep squat. You're squat absorbing a lot of the sources. That's the word I was looking for. There's a local effect and there's a global effect.

And the local effect is the target area that you're training. The global effect is affecting everything else in your body. And your legs represent such a large mass. And you're not talking about one body part. You're talking about all of the largest body parts on your body. Your quads, your hamstrings, and your glutes are huge. The only other muscle that can compare in size would be maybe your lats. And that's pretty much it. But in terms of sheer size, I mean, it's just so much. So you train them,

you get a local effect, which is on your legs. But then you get this relatively large global effect in the whole body because you're working out half of your body with resistance. I had a summer, it was the summer after... I think it was from, let's see, it might have been sophomore to junior year or freshman to sophomore, it was one of those two, but that summer I said I'm going to put on as much muscle mass as I possibly can, and I was going to the YMCA and I'd already been working out for a while. So, it must have had to have been soft morta to junior. I'd already been working out for a while, but I had actually made,

I had met some powerlifters who taught me how to squat and deadlift, and I remember them telling me like, dude, you want to gain weight, like you're not squatting, you're an idiot. And these guys were all massive, so I'm like, totally gonna squat and deadlift. I gained that summer. This is for a, how old are you from sophomore to junior year, 16 maybe?

I gained 16 or 17 pounds on my body, which is a shit ton of weight to gain in a summer. Natural, it was insane. And everything blew up. So my legs, a lot of that weight was on my legs. And you guys know that my legs, the one genetically gifted body part of half is my upper thighs. But I remember my shoulders grew, my biceps grew, my chest grew. Everything. Really tripping.

Everything happened to me when I started doing team morning workouts, my junior year of high school, and I gained like 10, 15 pounds of muscle, just out of nowhere. And I'm like, it's just, I mean, such a loud signal you're sending to your body that we need to overcome these forces. Oh, I would argue that somebody who did nothing but like, Barbell squatted all the time and every single day of their life, just Barbell, they would have a very muscular body.

How did you see all the way around? Yeah. Who would have the more muscular body, the guy who only deadlifted or the guy that only squatted? Oh, for sure. You think so? Oh, for sure. Squat. You think so? Oh, for sure.

Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No chest. Well, I don't know. Maybe there would be with the deadlift. I thought that was a jab to sound and you did that. Yeah, I looked at you. Like this motherfucker.

How do you think of that, dude? Right, right. Right, right. Yeah. So I whipped his head around and thought, dude, that was a jab. Was that a deadlifty jabby? He only talks about it. That's like a subliminal one, I guess. So I'll whip his head around and do that was a job. Is that a deadlifty jab? He only talks about a great guy.

That's like a subliminal one, I guess. I don't know. Little frozen even. Yeah. Wow. Oh, no. I won't know. You mean, mean guy.

Next question is from Bridget, Donna Hugh. What is health? How do you know if you're healthy? Can you be too healthy? I don't know what that last part means. Yeah, I don't know if you can be too healthy. You know what? So when I think of you,

I think it could be too neurotic about being healthy. I think, and that can be mentally unhealthy. So I can make that argument. But then you're not healthy is overall, right? Are you mentally unhealthy? That's why it's like a total philosophical question. Exactly. It's a conundrum.

What is healthy? What is time? Here's the thing. If I were to define health, because yeah, you could define it and say, oh, it means you're free of sickness or you have good lipid panels or your mobile or your strong or whatever, the way I would look at health is your quality of life excellent. Would you consider your quality of life fulfilling, meaningful, something that you would consider like truly optimal health for yourself?

Then now you hit that pinnacle and that's different from person to person. For me, maybe rarely ever enjoying sweets or pizza or foods like that. Maybe for me, that's optimal health because for me, that's my best quality of life. But someone else may value those things so much that they're like, you know, I'm not gonna walk around at 10% body fat or I'm gonna hold a little bit more body fat.

And I know it's not the greatest part. And everything knows your value. Now everything is how you put value on it. Right, because if you can look at somebody who is neurotic and is only eats organic food all the time and that they'd never go outside those boundaries and you may look at them and be like, oh my God, that's so unhealthy because mentally how neurotic you have to be there. But maybe that person values.

And they love it. And they absolutely love it because maybe to them when they eat like that, they're bought, they sleep better, they're sex is better, their relationships are better, all these things are so much better in their life and they look at it like that is not even a sacrifice to me, it's how I want to feed my body. So who are we now on the other side of that, you might be somebody who's like, I fucking love every once in a while you go have a beer with my buddy. Every once in a while I like to have some cake every once in a while I like to do some things

like that and not feel guilty about it and that's part of being mentally healthy for me, even though it may not be serving my body at that moment. Like I think it's all about who out, and this is gonna be individual and different for every year. I think with health, you have physical health with that's kinda easy to quantify, right? Like we could say mobility,

some enough strength to do what you want to, right? So you don't need to be super strong, but if you like to lift heavy things, maybe you should be. But strong enough to ward off osteoporosis or strong enough to do what you want to do. You want to have endurance or stamina enough to do what you want to do. You need to have everything working inside you correctly. Yeah, organs got to be healthy, all that stuff. That's easy. And then there's mental health. Like, are you free from mental illness, anxiety, paranoia?

Are you generally, you know, do you have a nice balance of happiness with, you know, maybe some normal sadness? Can you process things well? But then there's another component that I really only, now I'm really starting to see the power of and that's spiritual health. Now, spiritual health, I think,

can mean a lot of different things for people. It could be like the modern, you know, the modern religious, you know, people that would be who are the ones with the crystals and they don't say God anymore. And like nobody's like, God helped me. It's like the universal, I'm spiritual. They say the universal.

Or, you know, or, you know, people who are, you know, religious or people who just They go on hikes and they sit in the admire the the wonder in the off nature whatever that spiritual health I'm starting to realize is it's like you have to have that is a very important part of your health Just like the mental and physical part, but and it's not mental I used to think it was kind of mental health, but it's not. Mental health is totally different. It's spiritual health is what gives me his purpose.

It gives meaning and purpose to everything. Yes, it's the purpose to it. Totally, yeah. And if you have all three of those and all three of those have a good quality for you, I would say you can consider yourself in good health. I think if one of those things is off, you know, you may be like super physically fit, super physically healthy, consider yourself in good health. I think if one of those things is off,

you may be like super physically fit, super physically healthy, but you're neurotic, like you said, Adam, about nutrition. Your mental health isn't so good. Or maybe you've got great mental health, you've got great physical health, but life is just, you don't know why it feels like it's black and white or it's gray.

It doesn't feel like it's this, like you're not leading everyday thinking, like there's this purpose or this meaning, well then you know that there's a spiritual side there that you may be missing. And then the physical one, that's super easy, right? I agree with that. You can go to the doctor, get tested or, you know,

notice your own movement or stuff is painful. But yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it. And I think if you focus on those things, and really the only way to focus on those, and understand those, is to consider yourself someone worthy of, you know, quality of those types of things. If you don't think you're worthy of the quality of good quality of those factors, then it's going to be hard to ever reach them because all of those require sacrifice. Like, if you want good physical health, it's going to require sacrifice.

It's going to require sacrificing expediency, sacrificing, you know, sometimes the now and the present. And very discomfort, you know, lift and weights, you know, all these things factor in all that mental. That's also going to require, you know, sacrifice. If you want good mental health, you have to sacrifice because at the moment, I may be sad or depressed, like my, my parent must not, you know, just died or I just got divorced or something terrible happened. I lost my job. Well, I could just say, I'm going to take drugs. I'm just going to take a bunch of drugs, feel happy.

Or if I, if I have that mental health, I can say, well, that's probably not going to benefit me. I'm going to process this and allow my, my mind heal. I'm going to think about things. So you have that requires some sacrifice. And then spiritual, you know, spiritual sacrifice. So if you don't consider yourself a person worthy of, you know, that kind of work because it takes work, then it'll never happen.

If you consider yourself someone that's worthy of those types of things, like I'm somebody that is worth sacrificing for, well, then health is, you know, in your future. Good health, good total health is in your future. I agree. So if you go to our show notes, you can see all of our episodes listed by the minute pretty much.

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