Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 754: 420 SPECIAL- 19th Century Muscle Building Wisdom, Unexpected Muscle Building Exercises, Cannabis...the Good, the Bad & the Ugly & MORE

Episode Date: April 21, 2018

Happy 420! In this episode (the usual Quah airs this coming Sunday), Sal, Adam & Justin talk about old time training wisdom, unexpected muscle building exercises, counterproductive workouts, VR Sports, tattoos and body modifications, prohibition that leads to unwanted behavior, all before talking about cannabis and then taking a trip down Mind Pump's memory lane. Old time training wisdom from the 19th Century strongmen. Prepare for the nugget bombs! (3:42) The muscle building benefits of adding unexpected/unconventional exercises to your programming. (20:57) Look at workouts as practice and every now and then you compete. How motivation is bullshit. (29:25) The guys share stories of when they first saw people doing squats/deadlifts in the gym and their personal records. (42:00) Trends for business success with VR in sports and porn. (54:40) The new normal. Tattoos and body modifications and being able to do what we want to our own bodies. (58:00) Cannabis...the Good, the Bad & the Ugly (1:08:45) Mind Pump goes down memory lane…the Brilliant, the Awful & the Hysterical tales from the past.  (1:42:40) Related Links/Products Mentioned: 7 Unusual Muscle Growth Secrets of Vince Gironda Higher testosterone levels are associated with increased high-density lipoprotein cholesterol in men with cardiovascular disease: results from the Massachusetts Male Aging Study Here's how much the average American walks every day Ep 752-Kristen Ulmer- The Art of Fear - Mind Pump ‘Combine Speed Is Overrated:’ Tracking the N.F.L.’s Fastest Players on the Field Ranking the NFL's fastest players NBA – NextVR Social VR Sports Startup LiveLike Raises $9.6 Million – Variety How VR Porn Is Penetrating Our Minds, Erecting The Future Of Virtual Reality Pornhub Will Now Accept Verge Cryptocurrency | WIRED The neurobiological Correlates of Childhood Adversity and Implications for Treatment Four Sigmatic ** Use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products** Reefer Madness 1936 – YouTube Anticancer mechanisms of cannabinoids Combined effects of THC and caffeine on working memory in rats Caffeine and Cannabis Effects on Vital Neurotransmitters and Enzymes in the Brain Tissue of Juvenile Experimental Rats Dosist Chemistry, Metabolism, and Toxicology of Cannabis: Clinical Implications Getting Near The Clear: A Guide To Cannabis Distillates The Importance of Cannabinoids and Pressing Hash Hashing It Out: The Art and Science of Pushing Pot To Its THC Limits Top 10 scary things and phobias People Mentioned: Steve Reeves Eugen Sandow Vince Gironda Joe Gold Kristen Ulmer (@kristen.ulmer)  Instagram Neal Maddox (@nealmaddox)  Instagram Isaac Sopoaga Mike Salemi (@mike.salemi) Instagram Howard Stern (@HowardStern)  Twitter Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram TheFighterAndTheKid (@thefighterandthekid)  Instagram Logan Tyler Nelson Bret "Glute Guy" Contreras PhD (@bretcontreras1)  Instagram Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this special, four-twenty episode, little bit sentimental. It's like a holiday for pump heads. It is. It definitely is. I don't know how important it is. The majority, I would think.

Does anybody know how for 20 came out? You know, let's not go down that rabbit hole. Okay. There's lots of speculation on it. Lots of theories. It was a great school. If it was a grateful, dead thing, if it was an after school thing,

if there's so many ideas on what it's supposed to be. Well, it is for 20. We do, you know, cannabis is always kind of like a background thing to my pump. And, you know, you were in the business and we're a background thing to my pump and you know You were in the business and we're all interested in it and you know just the needs edibles every day so we're all Out me like that bros kidding, but we're you know It's a 420 episode what we did is we took our qua and we moved it to Sunday

So you're still gonna get your regular programming. It's just moved over to Sunday. Today's episode was no direction. We had five to 10 milligrams of THC and started the podcast and had a great time. We started out by talking about old time training wisdom and unexpected muscle building exercises. You know, that part of the episode was really good. Well, we got into like, how they used to work out and the history of it and how that, their advice applies to. No, I promise, even though this is a high

episode, I promise there's really kick in. There is some, what, just and say there's some nugget bombs. There are serious nugget bombs in this. In your mouth. Oh, wow. We had, you'll know why when you listen to episode. Yeah. Yeah. We, we talked about counterproductive workouts VR sports virtual reality sports look out tattoos and body modifications Prohibition and unwanted behavior. We talked about refer madness. This is the crazy Propaganda film that was put out a long time ago to show people to get people 3D hilarious and worth of watch super talk about war on cannabis, cannabinoids and cancer,

coffee and cannabis. Cannabinoids is the regulators of the body. And then we talked about all kinds of stuff of the business of cannabis. So much more. Yeah, ear wax and putty and clear and the downsides of overusing it. And then we had a trip down memory lane.

We talked a lot about the old days of mind pump, insecurities, somewhere in there, we mentioned the worst marketing ideas, mind pump, as ever, ever, the only one we could think of was mine. Ever had, and I promise you, unless you're like an old-time listener, you are not familiar with what we talk about in this episode.

And I don't think we've ever gone into that much detail. No quite embarrassing. Yeah, and then oh, we did mention I did mention four Sigmatic we weren't even supposed to and I did anyway I talked about chaga and its cancer killing effects Four sigmatic is one of our sponsors if you go to four F.O. You are Sigma-ic SIG MATIC dot com forward slash pump, and enter the code mind pump. We got a special discount for you. And before the episode begins, I do wanna remind everybody we are giving away

the no BS six pack formula for free. If you enroll in a maps bundle, maps bundles are what we take two or more maps programs, specifically for a particular goal. We combine them and then we discount the price like 20, 30% off. For example, the maps Super Bundle is a year of exercise program. So it's a whole year planned out for you. And while any of those bundles get the No BS 6 pack formula for free, you can find all of them at minepumpmedia.com.

Happy 420! Hey! Happy 420 boys. Yeah Let's see where this podcast goes We're gonna go to the stratosphere Have you guys ever thought about a reality finish finish? Finish what you're really thinking that you were talking about with because I really like when you post these The old-timey stuff like I you, and you're getting a ton of traction,

I see a lot of people are liking it. So here's the thing about muscle building. And it reminds me of martial arts. Let me explain what that would I mean by that. Oh, exactly. Let me explain what I mean. And I'm still sober. The edible hasn't even been there.

It's not even hit yet. So with martial arts, martial arts have been around way longer, way longer than we're lifting. Then lifting, you know, weight training. Now exercise has been around for a long time also. That was part of martial arts was training. Yeah, it was more like weapons training in preparation for war. Yeah, but like actual resistance training to build muscles gets stronger.

That's a relatively new thing. And it wasn't really popular, or at least I should say, it wasn't something that was structured until the 19th century, you know, like the late 19th century, like 1840s, 1850s, and then early 20th century. And the reason why I'm making this comparison is when people talk martial arts, because I was also pretty into that as well.

At one point, when I was a kid, I used to read a lot of books on the history of different martial arts. This conversation always comes up. This martial art is 10,000 years old, and look at the ancient wisdom that they had then, or look at the way Kung Fu masters trained back during these times.

And here's why these moves look a particular way. For example, in certain styles of Kung Fu, you see these really low stances, like these really, really low stances. And then they do these kicks where they use what's called the ridge of the foot, the side of the foot. And you ask yourself, you know, why did they do that? Well, back then, a lot of these guys were on boats and they had to defend themselves on boats and that low stance helped them out. They also, there's evidence that they used to wear

these sandals with seashells along the sides of their foot and so when they would kick with that ridge, you get a nice little weapon. But anyway, it's fascinating stuff, right? Well, when it comes to weight training and building muscle, there is a tremendous amount of old wisdom that comes from the guys that worked out in the 19th century and early 20th century.

And the reason why there's a lot of wisdom is, you know, there's so much that, there's so much about exercising your body and about nutrition that you can boil down to feel. How does your body feel? Do what's best for your body. We communicate this all the time. Well back in those days, that's all they had.

They had nothing else. The first off, no comparison data to run off of. First off, supplements didn't exist steroids They might have existed in light laboratories and stuff like but they were not used steroids weren't really used until The 19 maybe 30s and 40s and they weren't widely used until probably the 60s maybe 50s and 60s So they didn't have those things and they didn't have a you know government saying don't eat fat or saturated fat Don't eat this don't eat that eat this. They didn't have any of that information

So it was totally based off of wisdom wisdom passed on from other strong men and also what worked and so you know Years ago just because I'm a I consider myself a student of the game. It's something that really interests me. Years ago, sorry, I don't know, where all those books that were you posting? Do you own all those? I do. Oh, so I was wondering if those were screened. You own all those?

Yeah, so I'll tell you. Can you please bring those in here? Of course. I'll tell you the story about those in just a second. So years ago, I started really getting into how the old time bodybuilders worked out. People like Steve Reeves and John Grimick and Bill Pearl and all those guys. And then that led me to look even further back. And then I started reading about Eugene Sandal and Lewis Kair and all these other strong

men. Some of them are ripped, some of them were fat. All of them had atlas. Yeah, all of them had incredible feats of strength. Like Eugene Sandal. Let me explain something to you. Eugene Sandal probably weighed about 180 something pounds, maybe 190 pounds, shredded. You can still see pictures of them. Very muscular guy. You'll see the one that held everybody in a bent press on a bench. Bro, overhead. He held a record, which was verified because they used to have these competitions where

strong men would compete. He did a one arm bent press with 370 fucking pounds. Damn, two. 300. It's so crazy. And one arm now, the bent press. That's more than just a deadlift. Yeah, it is.

It is. It is. That makes me sad. Yeah. Well, hold on a second. I don't know. Here's my man card. I don't know a lot of royd heads.

Okay, maybe not pro body, but I don't know a lot of juice heads that can do a full squat with 370, seriously like a real squat. This guy's doing eight, one arm. Core squat, don't count. Yeah, he's doing a one arm, 100, he waited like less than 190 pounds or definitely less than 200 pounds. One arm bent press, which is a lot of technique involved,

but I don't give a shit, you're supporting that thing with your, anyway, these guys did incredible feats of strength. So I did a bunch of research and I'm like what do these guys communicate? And I also read, I also started reading Vince Garanda who was a natural bodybuilder. He trained people. He was one of the first gym owners owners. So Jack Lillane, Vince Garanda and there's a couple other people Joe Gold. These guys opened up gyms. They were the first guys open gyms. He had a gym in North Hollywood. Right around, I believe in the 1960s. Do you know much about, so before that, they had actual gymnasium.

So yeah, it was all like this crazy ass. It looked completely different. That's where you actually had Indian clubs. You had vertical ladders. You had ropes and climbing rings. and it was like for the community. Oh yeah. Now those existed at the turn of the 19th, at the end of the 19th century, early 20th century, but they weren't specifically designed for like building muscle, getting stronger.

Right, it was more calisthenics and everyday functions. Yeah, and it was kind of like this lifestyle type thing. Vince Garanda had a gym, one of the first gyms, and a lot of the equipment he had in there, he day function. Yeah, and it was kind of like this lifestyle type thing. Vince Garanda had a gym, one of the first gyms, and a lot of the equipment he had in there, he made himself. And so I read, I would read stuff that he would write, you guys will be fucking blown away. These guys were saying shit like, the old strongmen were saying things like,

don't train hard, but don't train with maximum intensity or they would use other verbiage, but basically they were saying, don't train with maximum intensity or they would use other verbites but basically they're saying don't beat yourself up. You know, train hard but don't beat yourself up because you need to have energy to train again a couple days later. They would say eat lots of eggs, meat, cream, full fat dairy to build muscle liver, organ meats. They were big on organ meats. And when they wanted to get trim, here's what they would say.

Avoid sweets, pastries, flowers, and sugar. This is what they used to say back in those days. It's crazy. It's so crazy. I'll forward thinking they were about it. It's so crazy. Vince Garanda, I wrote a book. Do you think that's because a lot of the science

has been bastardized? Totally. By company. So, like back then it was all based off of what we could, you know, you get a group of buddies, you're all lifting, you trial these things, and together we figure this out, where now so much science is involved because so many of these companies now are... Wasn't it the sugar companies that came to lobby and they've just basically tainted all information of saturated fat like this?

It was proven. The single worst thing that's ever happened to health and fitness was the whole saturated fat, high fat hypothesis that was totally flawed and it ruined, it ruined, completely ruined the health of Americans and it derailed our understanding of nutrition by about 40 years. Because before that, there were scientists that were saying things like yeah, thanks food pyramid. There were scientists that were saying things like high sugar, high consumption of flour, probably not good for you, you probably should eat, you know, fats, they're good for you. cholesterol was never an issue. Vince Garanda wrote in one of these old books that I read literally, one of the best ways to increase your your natural hormone levels and he was talking mainly

about testosterone was to eat a lot of eggs. He said eat a lot of the eggs and you'll feel virile and strong. He actually said this and this is true. You you bump up your cholesterol intake like crazy. You will feel an increase in testosterone. It'll it'll feel that way and I don't know how long that lasts because the liver tends to regulate it. Right. But you definitely feel it. So I you know I would read all these things and then I think to myself like, hmm, like, like, why did we stray away from this? Well, it made me question a lot of the stuff that I had thought was, was kind of true. Yeah.

And so then when I, and that's really, that's part of the whole picture of me. How did you first find that? Like, when did you like start reading that? I first was, let's see. Because I never got into that. I wish I found something like that when I was coming up as a trainer because I was constantly, I was digesting all the bullshit that was being fed from the company. Because we wrongly believe that

if information is new, it's better. You know what I mean? We think like, oh, it's cutting edge, therefore it's better. There's a lot of old wisdom and the funny thing is, and this by the way, this is true for any kind of wisdom.

How many times now have we learned something in science and be like, oh, fuck, it looks like they were right. What they were saying 5,000 years ago. After we made, like fasting, fasting, we made fun of for a long time in health and fitness. In fact, we were taught, I remember specifically being in nutrition courses and certification, personal training certification courses, and they would literally make fun of fasting and laugh at it and say that's, that's terrible, personal training certification courses, and they would literally make fun of fasting and laugh at it and say, that's terrible, not good for you, make your fatter. Oh, god, the opposite message we were giving,

which is breakfast is the most important breakfast or meal of the day. You know, sage, gotta start off and you need all these nutrients as soon as you start your day. There is, you can't discredit wisdom that's lasted for thousands of years or that's been passed down, at least at the very least, and if that always right, but at the very least it should point you in the right direction.

So the first time I really started diving deep was, well first off my dad was a fan of Steve Reeves when I was a kid because in Italy, they had these, what were, these Hercules movies were really popular and they were made in Italy. Steve Reeves just got a little Italy and made them. And so they were released popular, and they were made in Italy. Steve Rees just go to Italy and make them. And so they were released in Italy, and they were dubbed. But my dad, when he was a kid, obviously very poor, he would work, and he'd give his mom money, and every once in a while, she'd give him a quarter

or whatever, you know, 500 Lira, middle of the lead, they don't use that currency anymore. And he would go to the movies, and he'd watch Hercules movies. so when I was a kid he would tell me about Steve Reeves and oh, you know So I was already kind of like I knew who he was so probably in my I Don't know maybe my late 20s By this point I'd really started to examine workouts and I started to question things and so I looked up Steve Reeves Workout and I said oh, maybe I'll maybe I'll take a look at his work on I read it and I looked at him like that looks, you know, that's a full body 3D a week routine.

I thought that was for like beginners. Like, that's what we were told. Like, this is not something advanced people do. And then you look at his physique and you're like, God, I looked incredible. He was strong. So I just started looking up old routines. We have the internet so you can do that now. And I just started looking up all these old routines and finding all these consistencies.

Like they all did certain things and they all had these Feets of strength and so I started questioning things and started applying them and little by little I realized that with the advice that they were giving is way more valuable than the advice. I was getting You know currently from you know, Roy did out pro bodybuilders and supplement companies Yeah, I'm how older you at this point right? I'm probably in my lid mid to late 20s. Okay, so you're older and wiser. Because I was thinking, if I found that stuff probably when I was like

in my late teens early 20s, and I'm getting all this information from the company and all these other people that are teaching me to how to sell shit, I probably would have just discredited and moved along. Yeah, so those books that you saw, I posted a bunch of them on my InstaStores. I, this girl that used to work with me,

she was a physical therapist, she did gut testing and hormone testing. And great awesome girl, I learned a lot from her. Her dad came to visit. He was from the East Coast, came to visit once, and he came to our studio, and I met him. He was a big dude, tall dude. You ever meet a guy and you like,

you can tell they used to probably be pretty fucking jacked. Yeah, yeah So that was him and he was a bodybuilder in the then they shake your hand almost crushing He was a bodybuilder in the 70s and 80s, right? He doesn't lift weights anymore, but you could tell he still got the remnants of it So me and him hit it off right away and then I started talking about Like old-time bodybuilders and he was surprised that I knew a lot of the not so like more than just Arnold I knew all the other guys so me and him would just became buddies and he's like dude I got all these old bodybuilding books he's like would you want them he's like I don't have a son he's like I

planned on sending him to my son my daughter's not into it she's like my son-in-law's definitely not into it that's because her her husband was a bit of a like pans, I don't like it. But anyway, that's a whole other story. So he sent me a box of all these old books. All these old bodybuilding books. So I started, cool dude. So I started reading them. And I remember as a kid, seeing them. It was gonna be worth money too, man.

I don't know, man. They're all from the 80s, 70s and 80s. Well, they looked older than that to me. No, but they were written by bodybuilders who were from the 60s. Okay, so by this point, they're like Vince Garanda in the 80s wasn't like competing and stuff. He was just a fitness guru.

So I started reading these things and just the other night because I hadn't looked through them. I just thought, I would love to have those in the studio. We have to get, I mean, I know Taylor ordered or I think is on ordering right now, the bookshelf for the studio anyway. So those got to be on the book.

All right, but we gotta, I'll bring my Arnold and Cyclopedia to, but we gotta, these are like, yeah, these are like, oh yeah, yeah. I need your new alarm system in here, but that knows, they have to be,

but anyway, I was reading one of them, I'm stupid, I need Luna on it. You can break into our studio, they still, they don't steal the cameras, they're gonna, they still, I'm just saying, somebody spills coffee on one of those books, there's gonna be a fight. I'm sorry.

But anyway, I was reading them the other night and I was just like, I was annoying everybody in the house because every five minutes I was like, holy shit, look what he said here, whoa, look, like Vince Garanda goes, trained to failure should be done seldomly and really only benefits the super genetically gifted steroid-taking bodybuilders. Wow, he stated that.

100% Those were his exact... Yeah, we can't say we said nailed it. I took a screenshot of it. I took a screenshot of it and he said that. He was advocating don't train to failure back in, you know, the 1960s and 70s and not shit. That's... How fucking rad is that?

Yeah, that's so crazy. Isn't that cool? It is cool. Anyway, well I remember when you first, I mean, when you first sent over the First lead magnet that Doug had ever created with you and I think it was either the muscle switch one I think that okay was it the muscle switch out of the forgotten exercise or something? Oh, yeah, maybe you sent both to me at the same time But I remember now mind you. I'm already 30 years old by now So I've already been through all the bullshit put the bullshit together and I'm like on my way

of like really piecing all this. I know your shit. Right. And then you send that over and I'm like, oh my god, I have never came across. So when advertising to me, the fucking right shit, this is it, this is what people need to know. And I remember, that's what triggered all of this.

Like this, it's so nuts to me that how mind pump came about and because we were all on our different paths, I mean, we all didn't hang out on a regular basis. I mean, I was seeing Justin on a regular basis at that time because we were building the app and you and Doug, you were training Doug and working on a side project, but we were all kind of set in our own businesses and careers

and like, you know, if you get a group of people who don't know, and I've talked about this before with people on Instagram because they'll send me a study and then the study will show that something that we've said is right, you know, like, oh shit, study came out that showed that what you guys said about nutrition or what you guys said about training was, was right. And so people like to share those with me. And I'm sure we've been wrong and we've corrected ourselves. People just probably don't tend to share those. Hey, this shows that you're wrong. But you know, I get those real quick.

Yeah, catch it. But people will send that kind of stuff. And my answer is always like this. Like if you get enough people with integrity and who are really searching for objective truth, at some, they may have different paths, but at some point, the answer to one plus one is two. At some point, people are gonna find the same answer because it's the truth.

And that's, what I found with you guys, like when we sat down, and that's why those videos resonated with you. It wasn't because you learned something new, as you were watching, you're like, oh fuck, he's on the same page. I remember when we sat down, we would talk about this stuff. You're like, oh, fuck, he's on the same page. I remember we sat down. We would talk about this stuff.

It was like, oh shit, that's exactly what I discovered. That's what I found. That's what I found. So it's just all culminated. I think people are just, if people are objective, they'll eventually come to that point and fitness is starting to... Oh, that's how we can predict it with some of our friends. You know what I'm saying?

We just know it's like, oh, it's a give you a few more years, bro. You know what I'm saying? I remember being there. I remember being hard up on it like that, but you know, they'll come around eventually. But these old lifts, because more recently, I just told you, I put on, I've probably gained about seven or eight pounds of lean body mass, which is a lot of weight for me, because I've been working out for so long, my body's pretty stable. Do you have you felt your appetite increased too? Because so my gut health is much better. So the fast thing, the monthly fasting

has made a tremendous difference, like one of the best things I've ever done. And then I changed my workout. And that's funny, you gotta highlight what you just said there too, that I think most people that have not incorporated fasting, their biggest fears to not be able to build or get bigger with that. And the fact that you do a...

How do they look at it as a performance enhanced? Right. You have a three day fast that you're doing, and here's an example of... Something that makes you healthier is gonna give you a better ability to adapt. So if you're less healthy, your body probably won't build as muscle as effectively,

or burn fat as effectively or burn fat as effectively and all that stuff. If you're healthy, then those adaptations are just easier. That just makes sense. I don't think I have to argue that. My gut health is a lot better because of the 48, 72 hour fast that I do once a month. It's just made a huge difference. On top of it, I've incorporated a whole bunch of lifts that I've never done consistently.

Like, Zurcher Squats, Zurcher Deadlifts, I've never done those on a very regular basis. Heavy-ass Farmer Walks, I've never done those on a regular basis. There's a few lifts that I've been doing now that when I first started doing them in my workouts, I wasn't super good at them. So like, zerture squats I started with 135 because I wasn't good at them. My form would break. I just wanted to perfect them. Now I'm, I should be able to zerture squat three plates here

and I feel like in the next month or two because I'm getting better at it. But when that happens, what happens? You build muscle. I don't remember how much I got up to. Well, I remember we started. Were you doing them consistently? Yeah, so when we, when we, the zircher and z-press are probably the two most, that one too,

I started doing unique movements that I wasn't doing in the past that I've, since we've been in mind-plum, so I'm trying to give like all the things that like I've really incorporated since mind-plum, but there's a lot of things that we were all figuring out on our own before, but there's some movements that I neglected, I think, that I go, whoa, I can't believe these were somehow in my routine, but they just were overlooked as, I didn't fall into the category that what I thought fit

what I was trying to do. That was always my thing, right? Like, oh, I don't do those things because I don't care about those things. I'm not an athlete or I'm not the power lifter. I'm not these people, so why would I ever train this exercise? And so you stay in this, with the irony of that. You don't give it a chance, you try it once,

you're like, oh, that's kind of awkward, I'll do it again. Right. And to me, this is most important to the lifter who's been lifting for a while. Like if you're a new person, like any adaptation you throw at, any exercise you throw at it, your body's going to adapt and it's going to change and you're going to see results. But when you're guys like us or you're somebody who's been training for years and years and years, pretty consistently, like making sure you're introducing one, these other movements,

and then missing these big, huge ones like the Z-Press or the Zurcher, like they're just weird and unconventional, and they're not popular, so they've, but it's so funny, because that's exactly what I focused on, and that's what drew me into that whole world, and all those different lifts was that nobody was doing them. Nobody's doing them, nobody gives a shit about them. I don't know what it is about it,

maybe it's just this punk rock thing, I just don't fucking like. Well, it. Maybe it's just like this punk rock thing. You know, I just don't I don't fucking like Well, no, you share something in common with me, which is we I don't like to go down the beaten path I don't want to be like everybody else So I'm already searching to be different. Yeah, and then when you find out that different is better Yes, you feel even more passionate. That was so crazy It was eye-opening and I remember that because even in the Golds gym setting I was training clients out of there and I was real good friends with a lot of bodybuilders and

You know like I would I would take some of my clients to like more of a bodybuilder routine and like focus on aesthetics But I started incorporating like Olympic rings and kettlebell presses and all these different and and it would get all this attention And so I was like oh oh, business wise too, this is great, right? I'm drawing, you know, eyes and I'm getting attention for this. But then my clients started to get like stronger and they were able to build, you know, good muscle, solid muscle that stayed.

And it didn't really click until later, I started really training like that for myself and adding searchers, adding these really unique lifts and different things. And it took my body to new levels as far as strength. And so I mean, I've been in that mentality for a long time to where now I'm almost in the opposite of coming back to kind of more traditional type of hypertrophy training. It's funny because again, it's that old wisdom.

Exercise or resistance training used to be about 100% about results. Which exercises are going to make you the strongest, and then which exercises are going to build the most muscle. And then something happened where it became how to make this easier. And that's partially, believe it or not, I hate to say it, a large part of the fault of that goes to the corporate gyms or the large, big box gyms, because their goal, like gyms made no fucking money, dude, for a long time, gyms were a massive waste of money.

Oh, they were like a private club back then. Yeah, and that a group, a small group of people that were weird and super serious people back then. That's it, and so gyms were like a private club back then. That a group, a small group of people that were weird and stupid and serious people. That's it. And so, Jim's were like, how are we gonna make money? We need to attract the average person. And one of the things they did was making it easier. And so, a lot of these exercises fell out of favor,

but I'll tell you what right now, like, in terms of building muscle, because I like some exercises below me away in terms of how functionally make me windmills, for example, you know, windmills, they're not massive muscle builders, but boy, do they increase mobility and control in your core, and they're great, and it's now a staple in my routine.

It's like opening a communication channel that never even existed there. So I can, yeah, you can brace in certain angles and situations. You place your body in with loaded weights. So it's like a course is going to contribute. Exactly, but at my core, and I think you're probably like this too, a little bit at my core, I like building muscle. Like if the exercise I'm going to tend to be

like, oh, I used to always say I'm all show no go. You remember that, Justin? Yeah, yeah. I'm all show no go. And I used to say, I made I'm all show no go Yeah, yeah, I'm all show no go. I and I used to save it. I some a funny you for that right I all my trainers used to tease me that's yeah, that's for the birds, dude I just got to look go especially the minimum viable dose right yeah that whole mentality I just didn't or didn't ever clicked me and then now like I fuck that would I get make it and about to have sex a girl doesn't ask me how much I could bench It's right exactly what I used to say

And is that not true or what? It's a good argument. I mean at my core. I like building. I like strength and muscle amongst the bros You know, and I'll tell you what do you there's a few exercises that I'm that now I'm placing up at the top For muscle actual muscle builders. It's Zurcher Squats. Heavy farmer walks are building muscle on me, which I did not realize that they would do, but they fucking for sure are all the way on my body. That's right.

That's real world strength, right there. Snatch grip, high pull, get the fuck out here. Never thought that would build muscle in my upper back the way it's starting to put muscle on me. Like I'm putting, I'm discovering new like exercise and the funny thing is again, you go back 100 years, these are lifts that dudes fucking did all the time. These kinds of lifts, you know what I mean?

That old wisdom. Anyway, if I love that shit. No, it's fun, man. It's fun to kind of look back and see like who had it all right. And we just, I don't know, we just didn't, the message wasn't spread, you know, it wasn't popular, so it just didn't gain momentum, but, you know, true wisdom, it sticks, man, it'll come back.

I have a lot of guilt that lives with me because of all the clients that I train. I know, because all the clients I train, I just did, you know, it's, and I thought I was good, though, you know what I'm saying? I really thought, and I'm sure if you asked them, I found value in you. Yeah, no, I know I provided, I did, that, I felt okay,

like at least feel like, for the exchange and I provided, I did, that I felt okay, like at least feel like for the exchange and money that they gave me that I provided value for the life that I feel like, man, I could spend half the time with someone and give them so much more value than what I could back then because a lot of what I was preaching and saying back then is so different to room, how I come in. I mean, I was just literally talking to my cousin,

we were down in Pleasantin yesterday. And, you know, he's being straight up. He's now 26 years old, I think. And he's like, fuck, he's like, cause man, it's the first time. And this is the one that I train in for a show. So he's competed before. So he's got an phenomenal shape and everything. That he's an ex-athlete, played collegiate level for Paul. Yeah. Ridiculous. Like eight pack by the time you're done. Right. And he's on ex-athlete played collegiate level for Paul. Yeah, ridiculous, like eight pack by the time you're done and you're on stage, I remember that. So he's definitely, he understand,

I've taught him everything that he needs to know to get himself in shape and he's looking at me yesterday and he goes, bro, it's just, I'm fucking having a hard time being motivated to go to the gym and he's just like, you know, it's life is it. You know, just like everybody else, I said, man, let me tell you, I said, I didn't have my Fitbit on right now and I had it on then and I said, I said, you know, you have your Apple Watch, right?

And he's like, yeah, I was like, how often do you look and pay attention to your steps? And he's like, never. I'm like, listen, you have no idea. And I know you hear the show and you hear us, and he's like, is neat, that important? I'm all, listen, dude. You have no idea how inactive we have become as humans.

And it's so easy. And I still have, this happens to me all the time. Yesterday I had to go to gym and actually had to do my first bout of like real cardio on the elliptical because I sat the entire day. It was six o'clock at night and I had 1500 steps. And people don't real, like the average person should be moving at least about 10,000.

And the difference between 2,000 and 10,000 is like over 1,000 calories in my day. And I, so, and guess what you also do when you're sedentary, you make more poor choices as far as food. You know, people should do this, you put on a step tracker and then walk until you hit 1,000 steps and realize that is nothing. Oh, it's nothing.

It's nothing. You're literally sitting down all day. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, most people do that. And most people do that because we're working, our brains are working, you know, and maybe our fingers are moving. And so there's a little fatigue.

Yeah, yeah, our head, our stress, our stress, all the tension. Oh my God, I gotta heal. I gotta heal. Right, so you feel exhausted. And so why I love tools like the Fitbit or Apple Watch or things like that is just for the reminder. Awareness.

Yeah, the awareness. It just helps me look down. I don't, everyone keeps asking me like, oh, what do you do when it's, I'm like, I don't use it like that, dude. Who cares about the accuracy as long as it like is consistent, right? Exactly. That's all I care about. I wanted to give me feedback just so, because I really easily can think I was busy and

work in real hard because I feel that way because I feel exhausted. I feel, I feel like a bunch of stress. So I feel like a random marathon, but I really haven't even moved more than 1,000 steps. And so I was telling him, I'm like, stop overthinking this. So you're not getting you ready for a show right now. You just don't wanna get fatter. You're getting out of shape

and you can feel yourself that way and you're having trouble being motivated. And you're expecting yourself to jump back into these bodybuilder workouts that you and I were doing when we were getting you ready for a show, which remember we were training for over a year and a half before that happened. I built you up to that.

And think about it this way, we just had Kristen Ulmer on and she was talking about fear, emotions and how they get stored in the body and if we don't let them out or if we're not in our bodies, then they tend to erupt in interesting ways. Like, you know, everybody knows if you suppress feelings or suppress emotions, they tend to explode in ways that maybe aren't healthy or whatever.

Now think about it this way. Think about all the energy that you, an emotion that your body starts to store, that we ignore. And think about how exercise and movement allows your body to release that release it and express it and to feel it because. So why we always feel so great after your lift. That's right. And let me tell you something.

Nothing puts you in your body and what I mean by that is sometimes here's a thing. There's times when you need to be in your head and there's times when you need to be in your body and there's a very big difference between the two. Everybody knows like you know what that's like to be in your body. And there's a very big difference between the two. Everybody knows. Like, you know what that's like to be in your head because you're probably in your head today in modern times, 90% of the time. Very, very small percentage of time where we actually, in our bodies,

and exercise does that very well. When you're working out, you're feeling your body, it hurts. Pain is a great way to take you out of your head, by the way. You feel pain, you can't do anything, but feel pain. And there's a good pain when you exercise. So now you've got people who are not active at all, we're in our heads all day long.

That definitely is contributing to a lot of the issues that people are having. They're not able to get that shit out. And kids, here's a thing, this is what I love about children. Children are like mini-representative, mini-clear, black and white representations. Humans become much more complex as we become adults. Like there's all these complexity with our emotions and this happened in my past. Kids are pretty much like they're fucking tired,

sad, happy, angry, like you fucking see it. It's really clear, whereas humans are, or adults are different. With kids, you can clearly see what happens when they're not able to express their body, when they're not able to be in their body. Have a kid sit down all day long and just try and think all day long

or just try and not move, what do you get? You get a lot of symptoms that look like ADD or ADHD or you know, you know, Ram Bunkshis, we used to call it or whatever. You know, so you can see that happens to adults too, we just don't express it and you know, it's clearly as children do. So that's why I think sometimes, you know, why I get so frustrated or I don't like the

hardcore hype around the motivation thing is because it's so temporary. It is so temporary and it can be daunting for somebody who's been so busy and working and so out of shape for so many months or so many years to like think that you got to get after it and they get all this hype and they go and they crush it and it's like dude dude I was looking at my cousin I said listen bro let's say for the last month or six months you've only been averaging two to four thousand steps a day you haven't lifted any weights really whatsoever do you know what a huge accomplishment it would be this week if you just move from two thousand steps a day, you haven't lifted any weights really whatsoever. Do you know what a huge accomplishment would be this week if you just moved from 2000 steps

a day to 8000 steps every single day and go do at three days, go to the gym and just squat for three sets and then go home. That would be like your body will see and start to totally change. In fact, any more than that would be counterproductive considering. Right. You know, I just had this exact conversation yesterday. Me and Jessica were hiking over there at Quick Silver, which is an easy, easy hike or whatever.

And we're doing this loop and down the hill because we're walking uphill, down the hill towards us, this lady is running and she's probably, probably early 30s, so she's relatively young, she's got her headphones on and she's just fucking, her, the look on her face was just terrible pain, her biomechanics, I mean, look, here's a deal, I've been in fitness for over 20 years, I know what good movement typically looks like, I know what bad movement typically looks like, I can tell when somebody's

you know, well versed in something just by watching them move. And she was, her mechanics were off, she was painful, just coming down. And then I watched her as she passed us and I told Jessica I'm like, if only she knew how counterproductive she was being. I could 100% with, I would bet money,

I would bet money right now that that woman Recently decided she was gonna lose weight and she wasn't really hugely overweight Maybe you know probably ten pounds fifteen pounds. I could tell you right now with with a hundred percent assurance She probably made the decision a month ago or two months ago and said that's it I'm gonna start running. I want to lose weight And this is what I'm gonna do. I'm motivated, I want to get in shape. And I'm watching her and I'm thinking like, so counterproductive, her biomechanics are bad. Only because she's never run consistently

or never learned how to, she's got probably bad recruitment patterns, it's way too intense. I could tell by looking at her. Well, here's the correlation with the motivation. Like I think that the majority of people, that's what they think they have to do. I know. And so, and we keep getting these people voicing,

like, you know, no pain, no gain, and, you know, making it all this mental discipline piece to it, where that's the driving mechanism that we all have to achieve this mental fortitude. And we have to bear power our way through it when in fact, you see somebody like that and the counterproductive efforts they're putting into it, it sucks. It sucks. It's trained us for us to see that because you know how much, how many little screws you

could tighten up and get massive results from it versus, you know, just grinding yourself into the... And make it more enjoyable. Yeah, I have it fun and you know, sustainable. Because how many people, think about this way, how many people start working out and stop working out? You know what I mean? Of course, of course that woman's gonna quit.

If she doesn't quit, I will applaud the fact that she's incredibly tenacious, but I can, I'll bet you right now, I bet anybody, that that woman that I watched for sure is not gonna stick for it with it longer than, you know, a few more months, maybe a year tops, because either she'll hurt herself or she's gonna find why am I putting so much effort

over my heart plateau? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what always it, they hit a hard plateau and it's a very easy decision for almost anybody. It's like, I'm starving my body, I'm pushing so hard, I'm seeing these little results like fuck, I'd rather be eating all the shit I was eating before, not doing all this work and seeing, okay, so I'm a little softer. That's the thought process.

That's what I'm saying. If people only knew that, if people only treated working out like we treat other skills, like if you're listening right now and you're like, you haven't worked out for consistently, and when I say consistently, I mean for longer than a year. Okay, I know people say, oh, longer than three months. No, a year, it takes you a year to get moderately proficient at working out resistance training, okay?

That's just the bottom line. Did you guys agree? Yeah, I would say at least that. Yeah, at least that. So, if you haven't worked out for at least a year consistently for a while or never, and you're hearing me right now, compare it to this. Imagine this, you've never played a day of base basketball

in your life, or you've never played consistently for a length of period of time basketball. Are you going to go sign up for an advanced league and go play some crazy ass games of basketball? And if you do, how do you think you'll perform? Of course not. If you're probably going to do, if you're a smart person, you say, okay, I want to play basketball, I'm going to go get some instruction, I'm going to practice the fundamentals, I'm going to practice shooting, I'm going to practice layups, I'm going to practice dribbling, I'm going to get little by little, get better, then I'm going

to sign up for a beginner's league, then I'm, and you're gonna progress yourself slowly. Well, exercise is treated just like that. Not only is it a skill you have to learn, but it also gives your body the ability to adapt over time, the results are gonna be way better. They're gonna be, they're gonna stick around. It's gonna be pleasurable, and here's the thing,

you're gonna find yourself stepping forward, little by little, and and getting good each time and it's fun getting good at that Yeah, I wish we looked at workouts as practice and then you know every now and then you compete right? So you know every like so you're just practice practice practice practice. It's work You know the work side of working out. It's it's you're just putting it in you're putting it in you're putting it in on a Consistent daily basis and then every now and then you're going to compete you know you pick something fun to do or you know you just challenge yourself and you press the weight a little bit. It's so funny you make that point because you just describe CrossFit bro. Yeah. What? That's what CrossFit is. So fucking practice all day their workouts every day and then occasionally there's a

I can practice all day, their workouts every day, and then occasionally there's a, they compete in trying PR. True, that's how that's structured. But sometimes I run it. I run it. I run it. I run it to buddy, mind, Jerry at Gold's last night, and we were talking for a lot.

Oh, I know the trainer. Yeah, I think he's a, he's a cool dude. Yeah, and he's a badass. He's getting ready for masters. Yeah, that's the work in that Gold's. Really, really good. He's one of the trainers. There's only a couple. He's he's get ready for masters. Yeah, it's the work in the golds really really good He's one of the trainers. There's only a couple of golds that I would watch that I knew what they were doing Yeah, he's CSES and he's got his cross. He knows the shit. Yeah, he knows this shit He's a smart guy's a good guy. I really like Jerry a lot. Mm-hmm. So if you're listening Jerry much love

But we were talking and he was like you know, he's like we were talking about CrossFit Yeah, and the regionals that's coming up and all this stuff like that. And my buddy and my other buddy, Neal Maddix, and we're going back and forth talking stories and stuff. And he was, you could tell you what to start sharing about CrossFit. He's like, well, I mean, I know how you feel about CrossFit.

And I'm like, no, dude. With the caveat, right? Yeah, right, right. I was like, no, dude. I said, you know, I know we've given it shit a lot on the show at the beginning. And that's just because there was a lot of poor programming. But I think we've also mentioned on the show plenty of times that it's really come around. I mean, since we've evolved dramatically.

Yeah, and there's better coaches now, and there's people that see it, and there's bad ones just like there are anything else, right? But I said, man, and I looked where he was walking on a treadmill, I'm talking to him, and I said, I pointed over the squat racks, right? I mean, I really believe that that's because of CrossFit right there. I said, I've been in this industry for over 15 years, and for the first 10, I can honestly say there was probably months that went by, and I didn't see a single person even use our single squat rack. Did you ever see a full good squat? Not all in never, never, never, right? Even the guys that, even the bodybuilder guys that would come through the gym every once in a while and they would do the squats,

they weren't even doing full squats. And then I never saw deadlifts. I mean, I didn't learn how to deadlift till way later, dude. Or any Olympic type lifting? Never. In fact, it was banned, yeah. And in most shims. That's right, yeah, I was never allowed to do any of that.

I remember that now, because we had a couple of platforms when I was in college and I was training for athletics and with the team, but I would never, ever see any kind of equipment like that available and like one of these commercial gyms. God forbid. The first time I actually ever saw like a real squat and a real deadlift was when I, when I was a kid at the Y

and there was a group of old, they were probably, you know, they were old, I say old, but probably late 40s, early 50s, power lifters who were squatting in deadlifting and that really peaked my interest. And then I didn't see it for a long time and then I worked at, when I worked at 24-hour fitness, I had a district manager, Simon, forgot his last name,

English Bulldog article. No, not that guy. As funny you said that. I almost said that. But anyway, he was a, like a, he competed in strong man events in England and he was just this massive dude. And I'll never forget, I walk in the back

and Hillsdale used to be, it's not where it is now Used to be where the home people is and the way it worked as you walked in it had different rooms You'd walk in cardio left and then there was a woman's area that you know I never went in and then there was machines in them freeways and I hear And then Like like what the fuck is that and I walk back and I'd never seen anybody do a full squat, let alone a full squat with, think you had like 500 pounds on the bar. It was like an incredible amount.

Yeah, and I was looking and he was like, the guy was like a god to me because he was so, first of all, he was my boss, he was a cool guy, but he was also a super muscular, like a big dude. Like the first real big dude. Throwin' some weight on there. Yeah, I remember him just seeing, I was like, and I remember watching him because the way

he worked out was so different. The way I understood him seeing, I was like, and I remember watching him because the way he worked out was so different. The way I understood lifting weights, besides that experience I had with powerlifters, powerlifters at one time, was like, you know, bodybuilders, like they're getting a pump, typically cutting reps a little short, doing lots of machines, and here's the sky, and they'll typically do, you know, like three sets of an exercise, and just do a lot of exercises. He spent, I don't know, an hour and a half squatting. That's all he did and he would do like a set of like two or three reps, rack the weight and then kind of

weight and chill and sit on the bench and do another one. I remember watching him being like, is that how are you supposed to work out? It was tripping me out, but you know, that was the first time I'd ever seen anything like that. I don't even remember anything like that. I, the first time I ever seen anybody squat like three plates, it was a huge deal. And that was like, I was close to 30, dude.

I was close to 30 years old before I ever even seen another in person, right? Everyone's seen strong man shit on TV. And so that when you were growing up, I'd never saw someone squat three plates in person until I was almost 30 years old. Yeah, thinking back, it was when I was trying out for San Z. State football team and we all had to test out on our squat, our bench, and I think it was overhead press. And no, I think it was clean.

So I think it was, yeah, it was squat, overhead or clean. And anyways, so basically there was a guy there that just he had put on over 500 pounds, and I had never seen it done before, and same kind of reaction where he got super low too, because they standardized it, so at least he had to go to parallel, and so they'd have somebody there actually checking it. And, you know, like, I've seen a lot of people fake heavy weight

like that before, but I'd never seen a legit squat like go all the way down to depth with 500 pounds in this short, stocky dude, just fucking, like, blew my mind right now. So impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. First time you see it. Oh, yeah.

And you could see that too, because it translated, he was a running back. And so you could see just on the field, how fucking powerful he was with his horse legs. You know, he would just run through people. And you know, obviously you see that as he's that strong and he's actually applying those forces into the ground. Of course he's going to run people. Dude, I used to freak people out when I was a general manager because I would deadlift four plates, which is not that impressive for a guy.

I was probably weighing 220 and I would do them every once in a while. I was just naturally strong at him and I put four plates on it, deadlift four plates, which is not that impressive for a guy, I was probably weighing 220, and I would do them every once in a while, just naturally strong at him, and I put four plates on a deadlift, and even the bodybuilders would, oh shit bro, that's a lot of weight. Cause nobody deadlifted it. Yeah.

Nobody would look twice if I just pulled four plates now. Right, right. I mean, no, and I saw deadlift. Yeah, deadlift never, I didn't see him anywhere. I didn't see a deadlift in a gym. Ever, ever. And I didn't teach it either. I didn't see it dead left in the gym. Ever. I didn't teach it either. It was one of those ones that because I knew

I wasn't mechanically proficient at it. I didn't feel comfortable teaching it. So I didn't teach it for almost till I was 30. The only lift anybody cared about was bench press. That's it. Yeah, he did. Yes, dude. Anybody gave a master that for me.

Yeah, yeah, he was my, that was my thing. You got to four and a pound. Yeah, that's a pretty impressive, especially because your natural lifetime is over 400. I did, I did three, seven years, one in college, and then when I was at Norkow, that's when somebody first gave me the smelling salts. Oh, and I was like, I was on a tear though.

I was like focusing on bench for like four months or something straight, just like making that my bitch. I saw a guy once and he was, this was the craziest thing I ever saw. He probably weighed 175 pounds or something like that. And he had four plates and a quarter on each side. And I remember looking at him, I'm like, is he gonna, is he gonna fucking lift that? There's no way he's gonna lift that, no way. And then he gets into the him, I'm like, is he gonna, is he gonna fucking lift that?

There's no way he's gonna lift that, no way. And then he gets into the bar and I'm like, I'm gonna get ready to lift the shit off of him. And I thought he was gonna do one of those like little quarter reps. And this fucking dude, he gets in a, by the way he got into his position, I figured, oh, he's, he competes, this is what he does.

And he fucking was doing sets with that shit. And I remember that just tripped to this day, I can remember what he looked like, cause it tripped me up. Cause he wasn't a big dude. You remember Isaac Sapoaga? Oh yeah. After a basketball game, he puts,

I think it was like six or 700 pounds on the bar and just starts wrapping bench press like right in front of us. We're just like, I was most in, I have a very, very vivid memory in the first time I ever met him and it was at San And Teresa

and we both happened to be hitting him. Who is this guy? Isaac Sapoagah, he's a lineman for the 49ers. Nine more. Nine more, yeah. He's over. Wait a minute, is he a Simone dude? Yeah.

Oh shit, he used to work out when I was there. Yeah, he's been around, he grew up in the same. I know exactly who you're talking about because you can't miss him. Yeah. Because he would lift silly, like I thought they were fake. Yeah, yeah. And he moved the big weight so smooth and fast.

Yeah, it looked like when you're warming up it was like 135. Well, so yeah, this is cool. We both were hitting arms on the same day, right? Or I was doing this bicep, tricep, super set, and he was and we both had the benches right next to each other. We both just happened to be doing dumbbell skull crushers, and I go to grab, I think I was up to 30s or 40s,

and I'm doing skull crushers with the dumbbells, and he goes over and he grabs the 70s, and I think he was doing bench, right? So I'm like watching him in the corner of my head, my resting between sets. He leans back with the 70s, and he starts fucking pumping these tricep extensions out, right?

With 70 pound dumbbells. And that was just, then he fucking gets up, he just racks those and grabs the 90s. This is warm up. Bro, this is warm up, and he goes right into the 90s, like right afterwards, dude. And he's pumping these things out, like for 15 reps, dude. Like full range, everything.

So crazy. And I remember just being in awe of seeing it. I mean, that was before we played, remember when we played ball with all those guys, because we closed down the gym and we played with, you know, six or seven of the 49ers. And I remember just seeing, that was the first time I had ever experienced

the people that athletic and me competing against them. Now I had guys that we had a couple of friends that went pro when we were in high school to the NFL. I had some buddies that were pretty good ball players and hung in there in college, but not at this level. And that many at the same time and competing against them. And that's where I honestly,

when that, the genetic thing really went off in my head, like there is a difference. Like, dude, it's like, you know, when you're there and you visibly see it and you can see somebody actually run a 4-3, 40, and everybody says that shit, right? Until you literally are there and you see somebody actually do it, it's like watching fucking lightning. We'll just go and understand it.

Right, because you've never seen anything I ever seen. And I have never seen it again 4-3 happened one time and I was at a combine and this kid I have dude I just have this vivid memory of when he got up to the starting line. He's all in position and then right when he made his first move It was like boom and he was gone and it was just the stride, everything the technique was just so fucking flawless that like to reproduce that, I thought was impossible. Oh shit.

Yeah, that's the level of a 4-3. 4-4, you know, like you could talk shit and like say like a Deon Sanders or somebody. Like I feel like a Deon Sanders, he was like a 4-4, maybe he did a 4-3. I don't know what he ran, I don't know his numbers. You would know, call my numbers better than I will. Very, very, very standard.

Like a 4-3 is a fucking, like, it's so impressive. Wasn't Barry Sanders a, like a 4-3 runner? I don't know what Barry was. Barry was known for his ability to cut, like left to right, better than almost anybody ever. And would argue.

His movement, it was all about his movement. I got like very serious. Yeah, yeah. I was not going to contribute. Although he was fast. Arguably the most athletic, you're fast. The fastest players in the NFL are typically your wide receivers in your corners.

So those are the guys. Deon was one of the fastest in the game. Yeah, there's a minute. And I don't know who the fastest in the game is right now today. I should know. I know I've heard it. I don't know off top of know who the fastest in the game is right now today. I should know I know I've heard it I don't know I'll talk about it. I there was a guy or back

Would you Google fastest NFL player today? Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, I was I was at the Arnold classic. This is probably I'm probably in my late 20s early 30s first time I'd ever been to it and there was this booth with this arm wrestler Skinny black dude and when I say skinny I mean probably 140 pounds yeah like like he's just like it like you see bones yeah he's not a there's nothing like there's no there's no muscle on the guy he's just really skinny and wierry he has an arm wrestling table set up and always arm wrestling a line of people remember this is the Arnold classic so it's a bunch of fucking meatheads. Big ass bodybuilders. Everybody big ass arm.

Not a single person. Oh, yeah, Tyree Kill. Yeah, there it is. Everybody outweighed him by probably, you know, 50 to 100 pounds. 4.24, Justin. That's fast. That's fast.

4.24. That's fast. That exists. That's real. So he had a line of guys, meatheads, roydheads, everybody, and just one after another. Boop. Next. Boop. Next. But he was just be nobody beat him. He beat. He must have gone through 50 fucking people. How long was his arms? He was a if you if you

looked at the guy. I mean, who does he look like that we know all now second and picture this dude? Oh, I don't know. You just like a mic. Slemmey. No, Mike Slemmey looks like he this guy was just like a He's why he's thinner than Mike. He's like a skinny. He was a skinny black dude And I don't know who it was But he was just fucking wrecking people now you could see by his hand and his he was like It's almost like he was made out of cables like he was just so strong Yeah, and there was this big dude. I remember this after after about 30 of them, there was a big guy in line.

So me and my buddy Ryan were sitting there and we're like, I want to watch. I'm like, let's wait and see until that guy gets up to him. So he's going through like 20 people or so. Big dude comes up to him and the big guy's like, obviously a strong dude, they go, they say, go, he hits it, he'll hard. And the dude lets his arm go down a little bit. And I'm like oh shit. Is he gonna lose getting them?

And then he kind of shrinks up his body towards his hand and he goes And beats it up Dude all this is so cool. He's like an x-man all this porcelain You guys just reminded me of something Doug you got to look this up so check this out This is a happening this These playoffs right now. So in the NBA playoffs, they have this, and I believe Intel, yes, Intel is the company that's doing this and it's VR

and they have the cameras are set like from court side seats. So you could put the VR goggles on, watch fucking NBA playoffs from a court side view. So cool. How fucking dope is that dude? So brilliant. It's so brilliant. That is so cool.

I already have Katrina on him. Like we have to beat. We have to get this. I know. I would have to get this. Oh my God. You just sit in there just looking around. You know what that's going to do to four sports?

You know what that's going to do for all sports? Oh, that depends a lot more exclusivity. Can I tell you something? I don't watch sports. You guys know this. It's not a big deal to me. I would for sure watch sports like that. To watch these athletes like,

and people that hate, so of course I, of course I see it's are on the low end, especially for playoffs, on the level right? Yeah, oh yeah. You're not only are they, are you on the floor?

Yeah, you're on the, that's floor, probably. So the ones I, you just saw, I mean that I just, I was four rows floor. So the ones you just saw, I mean, that I just, I was four rows back from courtside. And there's a huge difference price-wise from where I was sitting and courtside. It goes up about $3,000 feet or on the actual court.

Yeah, so how cool is this for some, for anybody who may never, ever experience in their lifetime what it's like to sit on, sit courtside? And you'll probably be able to do that. I'm sure it's like a monthly membership or what fee, I mean, I'm thinking about, you know what I'm thinking around. That's so cool.

I want that for football too, man. Oh yeah, look at you. Jack, think of their helmets. Think about what this is gonna do for fitness, for reals, think about that. You could put these glasses on and take a class with people, or you could put them on lift weights, but then when you look around, you're in like,

you know, gold, gym, circa 1972 or some shit like that. Think about that. Let's do distracting, dude, that is fucking lift weights. Or naked chicks, if you look around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you're gonna end up doing. That's like a little pop-up comes in. Bro, VR is gonna literally, this is what's gonna happen with VR Adam, you're gonna have like all this cool shit

with VR, 90% of it, porn it porn 90% will people use VR for porn Who gets sneakier with this ads, too It'll be like a actual girl just kind of walking up like hey, which one you was telling me the the porn thing now that they have where the girl puts The little thing inside of her the vibrator. Oh somebody messaged me Wow, this is fucking brilliant. Oh, yeah, you could like her like, no, yeah, we have vibrator, you know? So we were, we were, that's, by tips. That's the sound he makes.

That's a bit slow. That's a fast one. Slow it down. You'll numb it. So someone sent me a message that there's the sites where girls that do the webcam, so it's like a live webcam or whatever, and then they will put a vibrator inside them,

and so you can see everything, and every time somebody pays, it will vibrate the vibrates so brilliant. So now you've got all these people, it's like a sexual video game, dude. You're just sitting there, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, Oh, but, exactly.

So brilliant. Oh my God, exactly. So brilliant. Oh my God, it's so brilliant. That's crazy. You like, yeah, that's insane to me. Yeah, but though, I mean, with VR, I think probably 90% of it's gonna be, to porn for sure. So anyway, you saw it, that's how it's supposed to be.

You saw it, did you guys see that porn hub is now taking cryptocurrency, right? Let's call that. Yeah, that's fucking, of course they are. That's still perfect. So obvious, right? Obviously, you don't want people to know what you're paying for there. So, you know, some, I was always arguing with me the other day. Still people

arguing about that. Oh, dude, oh, the government's trying so hard to go after it. Try it a lot more popping up. I keep trying all you want to try all you want. They'll just keep coming. I don't think they can't stop it. But it's funny. How they try to go after it. I just read an article the other day. That said that the opiate epidemic the opiate crisis They're blaming partially on cryptocurrency because drug dealers Stupid because drug. They're just been going on forever, bro But what they're trying to say is we can't catch the guys is easily now because they're using cryptocurrency That's fucking rule number one man.

They will be my took. Which when was it like back in the CIA, like actually spread that back into circulation here in the US. What? I just remember seeing something like that. So it wasn't even conspiracy like they had proved that they brought it back. Yeah, they brought back opium. The fact that that's a criminal offense is bullshit anyways.

What? Being somebody who's gone through an opiate addiction Yeah, they brought back opium. The fact that that's a criminal offense is bullshit anyways. Well, being somebody who's gone through an opiate addiction and know what that feels like, how shitty it feels like, you know what would have made my life even worse if someone threw me in jail for that? Like literally, that could have completely changed my life. If I could have got thrown in jail for that. No, I know, dude.

That is crazy. I mean, it's crazy that we- It doesn't make any, if we're, if the desired outcome is to really help the person, I know, I know, dude. Like that is crazy. I mean, it's crazy that we, it doesn't make any, if we're, if the desired outcome is to really help the person, throwing them in jail only is only setting them up for failure. I mean, fucking, jail, jail needs to be

for people who are dangerous to others or to other people's property. That's it. So it makes sense to put somebody sitting on oxy-cotton's all day. It's not a danger to anybody. No, no, no, no, no. Now, if they prove to be, if they prove to be a danger to other people, if let's say they

drive under the influence or they hit their wife or they're violent because of their drug abuse or whatever, well, you punish the crime, which is hurting other people or stealing other people's property or whatever. You don't punish the what you did to yourself. That's weird. Think about that for a second now. How fucked up and invasive and just tyrannical is that? Consider this for a second.

You cannot do whatever you want to your body in your mind. Just think about that for a second. Like I'm an adult, I'm an adult man. Excuse me, I live in my body. Nobody else lives in this body. It's my body. All right, I live in my body. Nobody else lives in this body. It's my body. All right, I can't do whatever I want to it.

And how accepted that is, how everybody thinks that's not a big deal. That is a major assault on humanity. Huge assault on liberty and our freedom. I mean, and I'm using humanity because when I say liberty, people, a lot of people don't understand what that means. So I'll just say humanity

because I think people can feel that more. Like, you are literally telling people, you don't even have the right to fucking do whatever you want to your own self. Yeah. So in reality, who owns you? You know what I mean? And you're born into that.

You don't even have a fucking choice. Do you think that crazy? You think that the tattoos and piercings and things like that play into that as push back? You think that's our that's our natural way of pushing back of like constraints on that fuck you. I'll do whatever I want to all pierce all tattooed because you can't you There's no laws on that. So here I go. I know subconsciously that was part of it for me. I believe there's to tattoo There's to tattoo. There's to tattoo.

To tath. It's like gymnastics, but it's to tath I know there's statistics on people that get tattoos that correlate with this. I know I've read this. Well, people, there's one thing that I've read about tattoos and body modifications and that the more that someone will have with them, it's strongly correlated to trauma. Yes. So childhood trauma is very strongly correlated to, and it doesn't mean it's, by the way, that doesn't mean A, it's connected, it's just correlated.

Right, right, right. Some psychologists will say it is connected based on the evidence. And B, it doesn't mean it's 100% of the time. Like if you see someone with a lot of tattoos and piercings, it doesn't mean everything. It just makes sense. I know I ran out when, as soon as I turned 18,

I ran out and put the worst tattoo on me, right? The only one that I don't like on my entire body. And it really wasn't because I really wanted a tattoo. All the rest of my tattoos have all this meaning. The meaning behind my first tattoo was more of an FU to my parents and the idea that I can do whatever I want to myself. I'm my own man.

I'm an individual now. And I think that's always something that I, it keeps coming to the forefront. So I want to be an individual stop. You can't stop me So this is a great topic, right? Because so Doug just pulled up a study This is one another one that I read that says the role of sexual abuse and the frequency of body modification so any kind of trauma is a so it correlates with The more body modifications that you tend to do your body.

Here's the thing though, that we need to consider. Does that mean that all or any body modifications are correlated or does it mean that it's more than what is societally acceptable? So what I mean by that is I have one tattoo on my upper back. Today, walking around my shirt off, you see a tattoo on my back, makes me normal, dude. If this was 50 or 60 or 70 years ago,

I would be like, whoa, that motherfucker's a radical, or what the fuck, that's so crazy, right? So I think to be more accurate, when you see someone with a level of body modifications and tattoos that far exceeds what is considered. Passes a threshold of society, right? Then I think that's probably... Especially face tattoos.

Yeah, like today if you have maybe 15 years ago... What do you think it is that drives it? Now obviously there's always exceptions to the rule and they're unique, but for a majority, what do you think is driving that then? I think part of it maybe, so, and this is me speculating, but self-harm is correlated to or connected to so it may be the pain aspect like hurting yourself

the other part of it is You know, maybe not feeling like everyone else or displaying how you feel or having a feeling in need to express yourself Whereas in the past, maybe you felt like you couldn't Express yourself and this is these are all just you know my speculations, but I do think that there's a societal norm. And like yesterday I was going for a walk outside, and there was just two kids walking by. The one kid had, the girl had pink hair, and the dude had a Mohawk with green hair.

It, I don't even blink today when I see that. It's not a big deal, especially when we live, like whatever. 20, 30 years ago, that would be a big deal. Like some, some dude walking around with it with a Mohawk, your parents are kind of like,. 20, 30 years ago, that would be a big deal. Like some do walk around with it with a mohawk. Your parents are kind of like, oh, watch out for that dude, you know what I mean? It's kind of interesting, right? How that, how that should,

so I think it's above what people consider normal, then you may be able to say, okay, this person's... Isn't that weird? I feel like that's almost a new standard, you know, amongst a lot of youth I've been seeing lately as far as like, you know, like, oh wow, that's where they're wearing, you know, a cropped smurf shirt with like some crazy spiky hair and then like some goofy looking shoes and, you know, and then right next to him, you know, the sky's in a skirt with like, you know, fishnet, like gloves on

and, you know, it's, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And really it's just that it's interesting. Yeah, they have to like push each other. And like it's, it's almost like, I feel like the pendulum's gone so high up in that direction. It's gonna come the other way. It's I 100% predict this that within the next 10 years, the radicals will be wearing like ties.

No, no, like not 100%. I mean, I really believe within the next, we'll see it in 10 years, next decade, we will see it be cool to not have tattoos No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, whatever they wanted so long as they didn't hurt anybody or steal from anybody. So whatever you want to yourself is fine. If whatever you wanna do with other people, if they agree and their adults is fine, as long as you're not hurting people or applying for some, I think if we applied that, we would see less dysfunction

because I think like, because I look at it this way, when you repress something within you, it'll fucking come out. It'll come out. And the most, let's use sex, for example, societies that are the most repressed sexually have some of the worst sexual dysfunction. You go to some of these countries where it's illegal to have sex at a wedlock. You can get killed for it.

A homosexuality is punishable by death. All this other craze, like, you can't, if you get caught masturbating, you'll get killed for it. Homosexuality is punishable by death, and all this other craze, like you can't, if you get caught masturbating, you'll get punished. Like they treat sex very extremely repressed. That's where you see a higher instance of people having sex with goats, people having sex with children, people doing all this dysfunctional,

cause it kind of, it comes out in these really strange, you know, type of ways. I think with society, if we let people like, oh, you wanna take drugs, just don't hurt anybody, do what you want. I bet you people will do less. That's something, maybe more at first, but then eventually people will do less.

That's exactly what I'm gonna say. At first, it'll be more. At first, I think we're gonna have a great example right now in the next 10 years in this, is we are, look how accepted cannabis has come. Oh, teen use, cannabis use of teens is actually starting to drop. It will.

First time in decades. Yeah, it's not cool anymore. It's like, it used to be so cool and rebel to get high. It was such a cool and rebel thing to do now. Now it's like, oh, it's lots of it's lots of it's less. It's like, if it means, now it makes me slower, it makes me lazy. You know, you start looking at all the bad side of it now, right? Before, it was like, oh, it's so dangerous.

It's so cool, you know what I'm saying? I'm being such a rebel by doing it. You're the concert and everybody's lighting one up. Like, oh my God. It's not a big deal anymore, man. And so I, 100%. You'll see a spike at first because the people that were really scared to touch it or try it will

and experience it. And more and more people will. And more and more people will think like, it ain't that big of a deal for me. Or maybe it doesn't affect me the same way as it affects my buddy who loves to do it all the time. I mean, I know I have a, there's things I love about and there's things I don't like about it.

I can very much so see if I allow myself to smoke on a regular basis, I'm unproductive. I'm way more productive, completely sober and nothing in me whatsoever. And feeding my body right, training and exercising, I'm way more sharp, I get way more shit done, I take care of the rest of my body way better, but then I also see,

sometimes it's really nice for me to be able to take the edge off, it's nice for me to, you know what, I'm in a little bit differently. Right, and it can be abused and overused, but it's got real health, potential health applications like for reals. I mean, I'll tell you what, I was, that's what makes it cool. Oh, dude. And it is what makes it cool is that if the, think of all the, you know, the whole art, you know, drugs, right, things that we've labeled as drugs, you know, it only makes

sense, you know, that we would treat something with this kind of potential, the way we've treated it for as long as we have. And it was demonized from early on. The way they got it to become illegal was they wrote articles and said something like, no joke, blacks and Mexicans are going to smoke this stuff and then want to rape your women. This is the kind of propaganda that they would put out to get it originally banned. Then they would put out propaganda videos which you can actually still watch. I think I forgot the name of the popular one on this all back in the

Hearst. And yeah, yep, yeah, you would watch this, you watched this video and they're trying to depict what we does to you and this man smokes it and he kills this woman. And you're watching like they've never smoked weed in their life. They know they didn't know how people like nobody who made this video. Like, like, hold on a second. That's PC even know how people yeah. Like nobody who made this video, like hold on a second, that's PCP. Yeah.

You were talking about the wrong thing here. I don't know what kind of weed you're smoking, but I've never seen anybody. Yeah. What's that for? I've seen some people on PCP. Refer madness. Do some crazy.

Refer madness. I think I might have seen this before. Refer madness will kill you. But the health applications are crazy. And the government has known about The one to see some of the I want to see this yeah and revert the year is 1938 in America's children Our under siege under siege from an evil so powerful so frightful So mine bug what is it mind?

I'm not really dangerous They made a movie about it. They're making fun of the trailer. Yeah, Refer Madness. Oh, is this a movie? Refer Madness was a documentary on the dangers of marijuana. Look how they're acting, right? Oh, yeah.

So watch, they're all starting acting like they're psycho. Yeah. Because they look like Igor. Look, look, look. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha. He's all touching himself. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, because they look like Egor He's all touching himself You're smoking bath salts buddy This is a different job. You're definitely not smoking. We look oh he just want crazy

You see's the paranoia. He's he's he's swatting at it. Yeah, he's losing his mind anyway. Yeah, we can watch that after but it's it's if you watch it You'll you'll you'll see the prop again. That's hilarious. That was a government created or funded movie to get people to... What can make, never. Let's say what it's... Sex craze zombies.

Sex craze? No, no, that's kind of cool, though. How does that happen? Yeah, like, enforces to kill. Yeah. So, that part, you know, we can, we can not. Oh my God. We can do without that. No, well, so here's... You you know, we can we can not oh my god. You do without that. No well

So straight beating is what what is most this pickle will danger what is facing you today? It's weed Yep marijuana. What do you do it dad? I'm I'm getting And I'm gonna kill your mom Later I'm raging have sex with your sister because that's what it does. It makes me go crazy That's funny and say so So here's the thing with marijuana. They they first they want to get rid of it because There was going to compete with paper

Then they wanted to get rid of it because it was the counter-culture drug It's what the protesters were smoking so they demonized it and then they found out through that that The some of the earliest studies done by the government showed that there was an anti-cancer effect. And we can get all conspiracy theory on that. But pretty sure, you know, if the pharmaceutical industry is as powerful as people say it is, that it would see something like that as a threat because it's a natural or say you can grow it in your house and have access to it by a seed.

So here's how cannabinoids work to kill cancer for what they know so far. So cancer cells have a dysfunctional mitochondria, which is the energy producer and the engine of the cell. And cancer cells have a dysfunctional mitochondria. And we know this because when a lot of cancer cells, when you take away glucose from them, they are unable to produce ketones and a lot of them die. This is why ketogenic diets for many cancers have anti-cancer effects because the cancer star, because there's no glucose.

So they have these mitochondries that are kind of fucked up. What cannabinoids do is they cause the mitochondria to, through the increase in something called seramide in the cell, they cause the membrane of the mitochondria to become more permeable and it basically burns itself out and explodes. And this doesn't happen with healthy cells in cannabinoids. Only happens with cancer cells.

So what you're doing with cannabinoids and killing off cancer cells, selectively killing off. It's targeting cancer cells. So crazy. And it's the cancer cell killing itself. The cannabinoid is not toxic. It's the cancer cell that

Then becomes self-destructed. Is it like it competes with it and then explode? No, it's happened. Literally it increases ceramide in the cell. That does something else causes the mitochondria to basically Burn itself out and explode and it's a self-destruct mechanism that happens Which is supposed to happen in cells when they start to mutate. But cancer cells don't do that and that's why they're cancer cells because they don't self-destruct. They're sort of activates it when it's been dormant time.

How crazy is that? Have you read any stats on how common it is for someone who's been like a regular cannabis smoker for their life in cancer? Have you read anything about that? Yes. So cannabis smokers have a reduced risk and I don't know what the percentage is, but have a reduced risk of head, neck, and throat cancers. And this is with smokers. Smoke inherently has lots of carcinogens in them, all smoke. So you combust and burn something,

you inhale it, you're inhaling a bunch of cancer causing shit. And cannabis smoke is no different. We know this. This is why for years they said cannabis will cause cancer. It wasn't because cannabis cause cancers, because they looked at the smoke and were like, oh, look what's in the smoke. There's carcinogens in smoke. There's more carcinogens in pot smoke

than there isn't tobacco smoke sometimes, mainly because we don't use a filter and maybe for a couple other reasons. But what's happening is that the cannabinoids themselves are anti-cancer and they're so anti-cancer that they override the cancer causing effects of the smoke by a little bit to the point where, if you're regular, it's basically moot.

Not only moot, you actually have a little bit of protection if you smoke. And now cigarette smokers, that smoke cannabis also, less cancer rates also. So it actually protects against that. Now what this tells me, the cannabis consumer is, well shit, why don't I just use cannabis in a way that has less carcinogens so I can get more of the benefits,

which would be like vaping or molesting. I just remembered when the like somebody had told me a long time ago, like equivalent of like one joint was basically like a pack of cigarettes. And so they must have just been comparing that to the carcinogens that it puts off in the smoke. Right. Okay.

So here's the other thing. Let's say you were, and this is, by the way, this was a scientific article that I was reading. It's ceramide, yeah, I'm right. So the, if you have the presence of cannabinoids in your system, low levels, let's say you take CBD and THC, you know, over, you know, kind of not regularly,

but semi-regulary, right? So you have a little bit here and there. That should apply metabolic pressure on cancer cells and that you would have and just reduce risk. So if you have a little bit of cannabis here and there, you're creating an environment that's less likely to produce cancer cells, because you're placing more metabolic pathways,

similar to how a ketogenic diet or fasting will do on the body. Both also, the reason why fasting is so- Both I feel should be treated the same way. Just like I tell people, I don't think it's that beneficial to be fast intermittent fasting every single day. I think you're far better off intermittently incorporating it into your routine, whether that's once a week or biweekly every now and then and stretching

the fast out. I would recommend marijuana the same way too. That's something you want to smoke every single day and be high all the time. Fog it, but it is something that, you know what, maybe have it in your life. I think CBD will be the one thing that people will be recommended to use regularly, because CBD is non-psychilactive, it doesn't attach to the cannabinoid receptors, the CB1 or CB2 receptor, but what it does seem to do is increase either the effectiveness or the amount or the receptors that your natural cannabinoids, that your natural cannabinoids attached to, or just increases circulating levels. So our bodies produce natural cannabinoids.

And if those levels are low or your receptors get down, regulated, or something happens with that, you're probably going to be susceptible to a lot of different things. In fact, they're coming up with a term for endocannabinoid deficiency syndrome. What CBD does is it seems to increase that natural amount in your system or increase the effectiveness or how it works. Not quite sure. This is why CBD is all these medicinal properties and works on the cannabinoid system, but doesn't attach to the cannabinoids.

I love, I'll tell you what, my prescription for me because I use cannabis largely medicinal. I don't definitely notice a positive effect on my gut, and I use more of it when I need it, unless it when I don't. But I also sometimes like the effects of cannabis, I feel more creative or relaxed or whatever. If I have a nice amount of CBD, and then I have, you know, THC, it's like, I get way more of the positives and way less than negative. It's far less likely to get like paranoid and feel anxious and shit like that. And I just feel, you know, better as a result.

Yeah. No, I noticed that too. I noticed when the ratio is even, right? One to one is what you typically go for. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go one to one or sometimes even two to one. Um, and I just feel better.

Here's another cool or a study that just came out recently on how cannabis and caffeine affect the brain. So they kind, in some ways they counteract each other and in some ways they amplify each other. And so what these studies are suggesting is that CBD or even THC may be an interesting like cool combination. Yeah, I've noticed that.

Have you noticed that? What do you feel for it? I just feel it, I don't know, more energetic, I guess, with the, with sometimes when you have like some good cannabis, it's like, you start getting more creative. But you get like a little bit of the paranoia, but you also get a little bit of like fatigue or like I guess not being motivated. I move as much.

It's just like nice consistent energy. It's like, in my opinion, I personally, I'm more euphoric and clear. So I feel, so I feel like it enhances. So it doesn't take very much. So like one of my favorite things in the world is on a Saturday or Sunday, being up in Tahoe, being on over on the lake or the water or just, and it not having anything that I have to do or would be anything sitting out on a deck or whatever and just enjoying the sunset or enjoying the view and a cup of coffee and two hits of a joint.

And I am, it's just, it's a, right is rain. Yeah. Right, that is a, yes, right is a spoon. And they're finding that they, that there's some synergistic stuff that's happening with them. And this study is kind of starting to make the rounds. There's definitely a unique feel to it though.

Anybody that's ever... Interesting combination. Every anybody that has ever had, I mean, we, cannabis combines with a lot of... When we first started traveling and doing our tour, when we were down in Newport, you remember I did the post on the OG plus Colbrue when we were on that kick for a minute, like there's definitely something there.

There's something there that I think is pretty cool. It doesn't take very much. I think where a lot of people make mistakes with cannabis is thinking that you need to have a lot of it. This is also why I'm so jazzed about what we're doing with doses and stuff because they're the first pen to actually measure the dosage for people. So people can actually start to be a little more

intelligent about how they- Dosis is brilliant. No, it's brilliant. It's brilliant because one of the big problems with cannabis is as a medicinal for medicine is that the dose is hard to gauge because if I'm smoking flour, which is the dried plant or whatever you call it, flour, it can be 20% THC, it can be 26% THC,

it can be 28% THC, it can be 26% THC, it can be 28% THC. It can depend on how I inhale it, how it was lit, other cannabinoids, all this stuff. And so, to treat it like medicine in the Western medicine sense is difficult because Western medicine tries to be precise. You know, 300 milligrams of ibuprofen, 100 milligrams of this or one gram of that. It's hard to do with what you're smoking weed. And so what doses did is they and they I know exactly what they did. They looked at the inhaler model.

So when you when you use an asthma inhaler, they're metered out doses so that every dose is more consistent. It's very consistent. It's three three milligrams of albuterol or whatever dose they use. So with doses, you breathe in and it shuts off when it gives you the, you know, 1.7 milligrams of use that, bro. And they pat into it. Yeah, no, it's brilliant. You guys see the very small.

Have you guys seen where we're gonna be at with them? Just Taylor showed you? Oh, it's cool. So I just, I was actually just reviewing that with him. So we go in two weeks, right? We, so next week we're in Austin. This is the one that's in San Francisco. No, no, no Dosis is down down LA. Yeah, we're gonna down I think we're on Malibu. We're like off of Malibu Beach area We've rented this fucking this mansion and it's gonna be a private party for about 30 people and they're setting it up

So doses is setting it all up beautiful house, right? It's the layout sick and they have what you know, they call them and all that beautiful house, right? The layout's sick, and they have what, you know, they call them, Taylor's gonna give me a hard time, was like, I'm gonna fuck this up, but it's, they have like a fancier name for bud tenders, basically, you know, so there's like health specialists up that I forget what they call them, right? But they're gonna be set up in the house

with all the different strains, and all the different kinds, yeah, yeah, and teachers. And so we're gonna be able to go around and just kinda like educate you on the true piece. The people that we invite there will be able to try it all out for free. So you know what, give bags to people. I hope they, I'm sure they know it.

Of course they know the shit. That's their company. I've been just, I hate, I hate one of the things I hate the most is I'll talk to somebody who works in cannabis. I start talking to them. And then it's like, I'm asking you questions and I know more than you do about your product.

You need to know more than I do. So you know this is about how mark and I killed it right when we first got involved and all this stuff was We went around so before we even started our first two cannabis clubs. I probably toured I don't know 20 or 30 somewhere in that range of clubs all all over LA area primarily because that's where most of them We're at this but at this time the in North Carolina, nobody has them yet. This only LA has started off with the cannabis clubs. And we went to all of them. And I remember telling Mark, like, dude, are you kidding me? This isn't for someone like me or you or like a idiot.

Yeah, old lady who really needs this shit or like, this is literally just drug dealers selling to their clients, you know, legally. That's all that's going on here. And it's ran that way. You walk in, it's shady as fuck. There's this huge jacked out body builder on steroids who's like, you know, takes your card and there's somebody else behind the desk

to their hat backwards and looks like they're stuck. Yeah, I'm just like, dude, they're trying to make this move in the direction of like a medical place. This is not like that at all. So when we started ours, we made sure there was no security. We don't need security. We don't need to do that. We'll have our cameras.

We have all that stuff like that. I'd rather just make this more welcoming for some seven-year-old lady who's going to come call in here with arthritis one day and not make her freaked out. Because I'm like a business person, too too because I'm thinking like those are the clients that are gonna consistently come back. When you start treating them and changing their life or helping them out with something that and you make them feel comfortable about the process.

And they probably already feel a little bit like self-conscious about the fact that they're walking into bi-weed and you're gonna have a fucking bouncer. Yeah, you're gonna have a bouncer there who's gonna check their ID and look at them like, you better not really know. So, Mark, him and I used to dress sharp to work

and clean shave in and we had a cute little like friendly front desk girl when you came in. There was no like crazy security. The lobby was set up like a medical office. And so we did this and nobody was doing this yet. They were all we're super shady and back door. And that's part of what made us crush was when people found and then you get people like Mark and I who are helping and then we're

Like him are like like me and him both are both like this where we get into something We're gonna dive deep into it. We're learning like crazy So you know, we were able to teach people what we knew which was more than any other place I've been to because like you're saying I go to these butt tenders and I ask questions and I'd be like well I can't learn anything from these fuckers these guys don't know anything There's just donor kids that wanted a job at a cannabis club. There's so much science that's involved in so many intricacies and differences.

And it's a fascinating subject. I mean, I got into it deeply because I had, I had somebody close to me with cancer. And they were terminal. There was no treatments. There was nothing that Western medicine can do, it was done black and white, this person is not going to survive, the odds are less than 3% that they're going to survive. And so I went and I went crazy and I'm the kind of person, I can dive very deep into things, I can become very fanatical about things

when I'm into them. I find this subject fascinating, but on top of that, I was extremely motivated, extremely driven because I wanted to find something that would help this person who was very close to me. And I looked, and of course, if you go online and you look up potential cancer treatments or natural cancer treatments or Chinese medicine cancer treatments and aerodynamic medicine cancer treatments, you're gonna get a lot of fucking bullshit.

I mean, people pray on people like that, like you have no idea. So I'm reading all these things and I'm like, you need to people that drink urine. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, I need something with at least some kind of evidence, whether it's like lots of anecdotal, like Chaga, for example, the Mushroom Chaga. There's lots of anecdotal evidence from Chinese medicine and Eastern European medicine that Chaga helps with cancer. Funny thing is now we have studies that actually show it fights cancer. This is why you are so excited to get for a stigvading.

Exactly. I wanted to get for a stigvading. Exactly. So Chaga, but then cannabinoids, that ain't it. Exactly. So I, so, but so chaga, but then cannabinoids, I'm reading these animal studies and then I'm reading these population studies and I'm like, holy shit, this has, this is real evidence. And then I started digging deeper and I discovered that pharmaceutical companies are investing in pharmaceutical drugs that are based on cannabinoids as treatments for cancer. And pharma companies are not, because that's billions of dollars. They're not going to spend money

on shit that they're just pulling out of thin air, especially when they're out of cancer. No, they were spending huge money because they were having to do it overseas so they did get in trouble for all the laws over here too. So you knew that it was fucking. And then Israel was doing all this science. A lot of the science coming out of Israel because they actually treated, you know, much less stigma there than it is here. And I'm reading all this shit and I'm like, and I went in deep and I learned about

all this crazy stuff about cannabis and it really tripped me out. And really it's not that, you know, because I know people, like they, personify marijuana like it's some fucking god or it's like, oh, here's a deal. Here's what's fascinating. It's not the plant of cannabis.

I mean, yes, that's fascinating, but that's not what really blows me away. Well, blows me away is that we have this cannabinoid system in our body that we didn't know very much about. We only recently discovered some of these new endocannabinoids, that's fascinating. Now, of course, if want to make it sound large,

it is as fast as it. It's like a circuit breaker in the brain. Check this out. The way neurotransmitters travel between synapses is from presynapse to postsynapse. Okay, that's how they, that's how they have so. So serotonin goes through, it tells the postsynapse what to do or what the, so it's a signal, sending

from, you know, like, I'm the mailman, you're the mail receiver, that's Precent Apps, posts and apps, okay? Can abinoids are, communicate retrograde, they go from posts and apps to Precent Apps, they go backwards. Now, why are they going backwards? Because they're regulating. They're regulating. They're literally telling the priest andaptic neuron,

we need a little bit more of that, a little bit less of this. And so it brings equilibrium. It's like a balancer in the body. That's why if you have a... What are the things work like that so crazy? And what? You know, the natural cannabinoid system.

I don't know too many other things. I'm sure there are other things. And I do know that there is some communication from post-opry, but the fact that cannabinoids, that that's directly how they work, is fascinating to me. And the fact that it's a regular, and now it makes sense when you look at studies

and you see this study shows that AIDS patients with a compromised immune system benefit and live longer when they use cannabis. Oh, but however, these studies over here show that people with autoimmune diseases They compromised immune system, benefit, and live longer when they use cannabis. However, these studies over here show that people with autoimmune diseases or issues where their immune system is hyperactive, the cannabis brings it down. On one end, it boosts the immune system. On this hand, it depresses the immune system.

How is that possible? Don't we have self-regulating systems everywhere? Yeah. Even just pain. That's going to get me to stop what I'm doing. Yeah, I mean, it's just working with the bodies, what seems to be one of the largest regulating systems in the body that keeps things in balance.

And that's what's fascinating to me, and that's why when you hear all these claims that can abinoids have potential to do everything, and you think how can that be possible? Well, that's one of the reasons why it's possible. It's like balances you out. If your immune system's depressed, it boosts it up if it's too high.

It brings it down. If you're, you know, look at, look at, it's effect on fat loss. I called this, you know, long time ago. I told you guys, like if we ever sell supplements, it should be a cannabis-based, the cannabino-based one. Because the first sure,

cannabino-based fat burners are going to be a big thing. They're already starting to be a thing. Oh, 100% it's gonna be a big thing. The only thing that I remember we all agreed on is just like it still falls in the category with almost every other supplement. It's not even the top 10 list of things that are gonna really change people's lives.

When you talk about the things that we know that we can, and I think that was why we didn't. As far as I- It was super expensive. Oh yeah, we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's probably gonna take a while far as it was super expensive. Oh yeah, we did. We did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's probably going to take a while for that cost to go down. Super expensive because especially with CBD, you have to get it from hemp and that's a more expensive stuff. That's going to, that'll change though with like, well, we'll see though because what they do with regulation, this is the thing that I think is crazy too. So, yeah, because you know, Trump said, Trump told his guys, we're going to find a path for the state that legalized it to, to let them do that. Yeah.

You hear that right? So it's like the steps are, it's our next element. Yeah, first we were gonna worry because he was coming after, but now he's backing off the medical use. No, that was his, the guy that works under him, I can't remember. So where the big regulation's gonna come in is here.

So right now, the biggest breakthrough in like the underground world of cannabis is the process of making clear. And it's the finest shatter clear beyond that. Oh, so this is 100% pure. 99.99.99%. Is it clear? They call it clear because it's clear? Yeah. Oh shit. It's you've extracted everything. There is no plant matter. There's no garbage. There's nothing bad in it. it's completely pure. And so they're turning it into a pharma drug. Yes.

What they're doing? Yes. And so this is already happening on the black market, but yet it's, and it's, so people that are doing it, right? So this is the evolution of what we started years ago. And I know it's crazy. Like I bet people that know understand cannabis and putty, earwax and shatter and all those things like that, like, uh, the people that I was involved with in the Bay Area

were the first to really start all that. And, you know, we evolved much of that at our club way back when, and now I've seen, and I've watched now my cousin and family and friends that I know that are still in the industry evolving it even further. And they have these huge ops now where they're producing this. So that will become the standard, but they will, because you have to, like, the extraction process looks like a fucking chemistry lab. I mean, it's crazy. If they're making it a farmer drug, that right there is what's going to, that'll be regulated

heavily. 100%. They're going to regulate the fucking. Because you could smoke a bunch of herb, you know, a bunch of flower, or you could fucking hit that shit, and that's gonna be more of the addiction, more of the withdrawal, more of the... Like, I've never, have you guys ever dabbed? Yes. I've never dabbed before. I've never, I've never, oh yeah.

No, of course I have. I mean, I remember, I remember when that, I have no desire to. I remember when that first came on this, well, remember, if I was, you were testing everything. Yeah, I was part of the people who started what you would dab Like there was nothing to dab just 10 years ago So when you swim earwax putty honeycomb all the shatter all the stuff started coming about Now they they were looking for other ways to to burn it or smoke it and it was such a hard thing to mess with and I don't know

Who came up with the idea of heating up a nail and then really, really hyperized the fuck out of it. And it vaporizes it and then you draw a straight off of it and that's this huge scene of dabbing exploded. Super, super, like it'll get your blood concentration of THC up faster and higher than anything. Well, to give you an idea, like I remember the first, you know, we were also the first to test all this stuff. So when you look at the highest grade cannabis, it normally is about 20 to 25% THC. And that's in 25 is crazy.

And so that's a flower, right? So that's about as high as a natural flower gets even if you're, if you're at the, I've seen a few 28, but well, no, the ones you see in the clubs that say that are bullshit. Those are, that's not the that's not the standard for like what how strong it is that's the guys at the clubs they put that on there so they can say they have a stronger weed but real primo top grade the best grown best 20s yeah yeah so that's your for a flower then then then we and we've been doing hash for a very long time cold You know cold press hash has been around forever

And that's like you're pushing 28 to 32 kind of range maybe some of your best hashie is hitting 35 or so THC levels and That's been pretty much it as far as a constant trade for a long time. And hash is like, we used to be for like the hardcore people, right? Because it was so strong because- People with a high ass tolerance. Yeah, because back then weed was only coming out at like 9, 12%. So it was like double of what weed would be. Well, so now we've learned to take it and extract it even further.

And so when we first did the first rounds, which we used to call earwax or putty before all the other stuff, the other kinds came. We tested it, and I remember it was nuts because ours came in at 62%. Nobody had seen anything like this yet. Nobody had seen something this strong. And I remember we would just barely sprinkle a little bit of it on a joint or put it in with a bowl and then smoke it. And it was like, holy shit, this is so strong.

And I remember how strong that was. Now, that's at 60 something percent. So before, when I left out of the industry, we were up to producing stuff that would rent, I think the highest I think we peaked out was like about 78% and that was like when we were, we evolved it to honeycomb. We were doing honeycomb and shatter before it was even called honeycomb and shatter.

And that stuff was pushing 78%. Now since I've left, I've been gone and my cousin and people have continued to evolve the process and they've learned more. There's more science behind it. Now there's more tools that you can actually buy and equipment that actually helps you do all this process. We're up to being able to extract it 100% into this process that makes what's called clear now. And it's, yeah, so I have no desire because I do not like... I think the strongest weed you ever smoked, I know you don't even like super strong weed.

That's five times straight panic. It is. Is that what happened when you did the day? Yeah, when you dab, my head would go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, psychedelic. It's, yeah, it's way too heavy. Unless you're somebody and the people like, you know, it's hard for me to watch like my little brother who I know like dabs on a regular dude. It's a tolerance is too high. Yeah.

Here's what happens when your tolerance is getting high like that, you've down regulated the fuck out of your cannabinoid receptors and your body's probably producing less of its own natural cannabinoids. So you've developed a legit dependence. And that's not a good thing. It's not smart.

You know, it's funny, with cannabis and kids, when they do test, and it's pretty, the evidence keeps coming back. Kids who smoke a lot of weed in their adolescents suffer from permanent damage to their IQ. Their IQs are typically lower consistently as a result. And that's because the developing brain, as you're growing up, probably- You're creating those neuropathways. What? And you need those cannabinoid receptors to be good and healthy.

And if you down-regulate them because you're smoking all the time, or you're just flooding your brain with cannabinoids, it could influence the way your brain develops. As an adult, this doesn't seem to be the case. So it's pretty crazy. But no, I have no, and the funny thing about cannabis is of, you know, of the substances I've tried and that, the kind of stuff, cannabis sucks when you do too much.

Yeah. It's really bad. Yeah. You know, we talk about everybody. But I could see it now where I, it is not a fun thing. Why it is, is gonna get pushed and it will go to where it's at and why it is an amazing thing is I could definitely see

somebody who is in unbelievably chronic pain or so, right? I could see someone like that. It's gotta be. Then you would wanna be taken to a whole nother plan. Of course. Like that, at that point, you wanna be feel out of your body as much as you can

because your body feels so terrible. If you have something like, if you are treating something like cancer and you want the anti-cancer effects, yeah, the higher dose for sure. Yeah, what they do with that is they give people a highly concentrated oil that you eat. Yeah. And the reason why they eat it is obviously you don't want smoke, but also because when you eat it, your liver converts the T.H.C. Yeah, it converts the T.H.C. to a more potent longer lasting form. Your body absorbs almost double the amount that when you smoke it. When you

smoke it, your lungs only get, I think it was, I don't quote me on this, but it's like 18 to 20% is all you actually absorb into your bloodstream when you smoke it. Plus you hit a certain limit. You can only get so high, you can only reach a certain level of blood THC levels through smoke because your body gets rid of it

at a certain spot. It's flushing it out. But when you eat it, you could weigh over here. Here's a deal. I've smoked too much weed. That sucks. I've also eaten too much weed. Way worse. Way worse. Yes. That'll get you by the balls. Remember that time? That's why I don't like it. I don't like animals. Now, I love the ones that we have and the ones that we took. They're

my all-fimilograms. Well, because they're dosed. You know, and when they're again, when we started to say so doses, okay, back then. So it wasn't you know, you didn't break down milligrams of the wheat or the chocolates or anything like that. It was literally like a one dozer, a two dozer, a four dozer. And that was kind of the standard. Like nobody had you don't know what the fuck was in a no no. And it was just like, yeah, this is a dose for me. Yeah, this is a four.day Nice, that was I remember I told you guys that story the first time that they I tried like this This coffee that was infused with it, right? And the guy was like, oh, yeah No, it's real mild dose it's a single dose is a single docer and I'm like, okay, I can handle a single dose

I knew that if I did a two dose or a three dose or in that at that time that it was like too much for me. Oh, bro It was so bad, me. Oh, bro. It was so bad, dude. Oh, it was so bad. I'm like, man, these guys are idiot. This was a vendor. It's a vendor. He was a vendor coming to me to get me to carry his product

in our club and like he gives it to me. It's so terrible. Even if you know that you're not gonna die, because I've been there. What happens is you get so out of your mind, but it also triggers the fear parts of your brain. It actually doesn't. What's the come?

So then what happens, I don't know about you guys, but I start to get these repetitive thoughts. Like, you can't stop the loop. Yeah, what if it just keeps calling it, it ramps and ramps and ramps and then you're like, I can't breathe. Yeah. And then people are like, this is where people end up

in the ER, adjusting that. Oh, dude, I gotta tell the story. So this this was early mind pumped I wish I knew the episode it was was a first studio Oh, we never we never we never we did one before that we never started one No, we did really really stick because you were so paranoid about it We just ended up sound I were like you were fine bro. You were totally oh yeah You got up you ever he ever, you pushed the microwave and you're like, no, we can't hear that. You stomped on us.

So here's what happened. We all had, we all had an edible. And at this time, Justin at extremely low tolerance, his tolerance is a little higher than 10. He couldn't even handle a five milligrams of. No. So we, we all had an edible and we started getting giggly and we recorded this podcast and it was hilarious.

And we were laughing and Justin was laughing. And me and Adam are laughing at Justin cause he's making jokes and it's a great episode. Like the vibe was amazing. It was really funny. But then we got into this laughing fit. Me and Justin got into this laughing fit where oh shit, we need to stop laughing

cause the podcast is gonna get shit. Yeah, we have to like keep carrying this. So what I did was I turned my head and I was looking at Adam Well, I was laughing because I don't want Justin to see me laugh because it would trigger him. Yes, but Justin interpreted it as me and Adam We're laughing at like oh no, they're turning on me and then I got and then then that loop kept going and I'm like it kept ramping He was so mad at us. You know We see as we are exploiting me

Guys, we're exploiting me. Yeah. Like, this is gonna be one of those things. It's gonna last with me forever. Is that what you were thinking? Yes, cause I don't be an atom. I was looking at atom laughing. I don't know how to see me. Dude, I couldn't breathe.

Yeah, one more. I put it out here and I just was like trying to like, gain, like, like, like, ground myself again in reality. And I was like, oh my God, I just gotta get out there. He just, all of a sudden He's like this is what he did I remember I told you remember you said push the bike. Yeah, but you said this you said I can't do this anymore And you push it and then he got up and yes, yeah, you got up and walked I had to go for a while

It's out. I know no we're laughing because we see it right right? We're like no, no, it's okay, bro. We're not And he went to walked up and down the beach, you're about to. That's why I was so mad. Yeah, we've paced like fucking four times. Yeah, you guys are legit. Cannabis is definitely contributed to some of our creative moments, but it's also contributed to some of the stupidest ideas.

I don't think we ever shared with the audience. We did dumbest ideas. I remember talking about this. I forget where we were. We were in Tahoe. Oh, it was forget where we were. We're in Tahoe. Oh, it was Tahoe. Yeah, so in Tahoe, I pulled them up to this day, to this day, which by the way,

I don't want to come back in. When Tahoe comes back in, I do want him to pull these up because I don't remember the names of them. Oh my God, but we read them on air. Yes, we have to for our own. They're terrible. Yes, it's 420, especially a little disclaimer

on this episode, maybe. So when we were in Tahoe, okay, this was last year for the Spartan Championship, where we'll be out, the same house will be out, it's pretty cool. We were out there and it was, you know, we'd worked all day and we were tired, we were all kind of sitting down, we were in that little room and we were watching Shark Tank. That was a great conversation. Oh, dude, I wish that was recorded. I told Daga, I was like, such a great conversation. Oh, dude, I wish that was recorded. I told Dioz, I think it was such a great conversation.

But you got into Taylor and his business. Everything. Well, it started to really not take us. Well, we were laughing so hard that night that I pulled a rip. Yeah. For real. Well, because we hadn't, at that point,

in case we were a little over two years into the business, right? And you know, for the most part, we've put our head down and just kind of kept going towards everything and there's so much more to build. And that's just, we've been focused on forward, forward, forward, forward that we really hadn't had any time where we kind of sat and reflected on like, hey, where are we at right now? And kind of just had some loose conversations that have like this business talk. We need to do this. I do that.

It was just like reminiscing on stories. And I remember because we've talked about the like we had never done any marketing or any advertising, and the first time that we ever tried something, and it was Justin's idea. And I remember being in the other studios. This is the same studio that we're talking about where he got, he walked stomped out and was high. He comes walking in one morning, and he's like,

fuck, I have a fucking brilliant idea. Right? And he like, sits us all down, we sit down, and we all were like, holy shit, that is smart. I sold it really hard. You know what Justin? You don't give yourself enough credit, you're a closer. Yeah, I know, I just don't have to talk about it. You closed us.

Well, I close you guys on that. He knows how to get me, because he came in with the numbers right away. Like he came right around and he was just saying to you, I know. He's like, he started breaking down like the price per click on porn. On porn.

And it is unbelievably low compared to anywhere else. Here's the rationale. The rationale is everybody looks at porn. They get way more views per minute than most websites. That's a fact. You're gonna get a lot of eyes on your stuff. And it's cheap as fuck to advertise on porn. And our show is, you know,

we're rated R anyway. That's back then, especially back then. Yeah, like if any of you guys have unfortunately gone back and listened to some of these earlier episodes, like literally it was one of those things I felt like we were challenging ourselves as far as like how we can stretch our boundaries in our comfort levels. You know, and so we would come up with top picks

that really, the divorce. Yeah. We were trying to just be shocking and remember the picture. Remember the picture that sell free dally you had to take down. Yeah, so I put my two fingers together like in the peace sign and like stuck my tongue through,

right? Like a, like a, like a, actually, no, you did that. I did that. I was the funniest picture. I posted it because the funniest you posted it because back then you were managing the IG page. Which by the way, if you go way back as the IG page,

oh, that's another thing. You can clearly see where Justin was running it. When Justin was running it. It's very visible signs. It's fucking hilarious. I'm so glad we didn't delete it. Yeah. Because I thought about like now that it's trans-explanating it up.

I'm like, no, that's so great. I gotta post for you, go scroll all the way down to the bottom and look up the one where I posted the, it was animation for a depository. Oh my gosh, I can't believe you posted that. That's a thing. Why did I post that? But that's why.

This is why we thought it would be a brilliant idea. Like, okay, if there was, there's no other fitness health podcast that could get away with advertising on a porn. would be a brilliant idea. Like, okay, if there was, there's no other fitness health podcast that could get away with advertising on a porn. And so a porn site. And so I thought that was brilliant. And with the price per click, so I thought, why not throw a crumple grand at it?

Let's see what happens. So here's the rationale. And you know what's funny? Terrible idea. Terrible idea. But brilliant ways of applying. So let me explain what I mean. We were actually trying to be smart about it.

So we're like, okay, let's think. When I watch porn, I don't want to click on something else. Right. Unless it's more porn. Like, I'm not going to click anywhere unless it really, do we have the titles? Do we have the titles that we came up with? Doug has them somewhere.

Doug has them somewhere. Oh, please tell me you have those stuff. So, because okay, now remember what happened was this was Justin does this whole Presentation for us and we're all sold. I mean even including Doug and Doug's hard to convince sometimes Yeah, Doug's like okay, this actually sounds kind of smart guys, right? And so we all give each other our first set of homework Yeah, this is like the first time we were saying okay everybody go home You each out your each responsible for five ads, so we all had to write We spent time on this yes

Everybody went home and everyone had to come back to work the next day with five ads. So we all had to write five times on this. Yes, everybody went home. And everyone had to come back to work the next day with five ads that they had written. And I didn't realize. And our goal was, the idea was, you're watching porn, you're probably jerking off or whatever. How am I gonna get you to click on my ad?

And the only way to get you to click on my ad is to be fucking outrageous and be porn-ish. Right? So the things that we, we came up with an ad, way to get you to click on my ad is to be fucking outrageous and be porn-ish. Right. So the things that we came up with in ad, I'll give you an idea. And they're, by the way, they get worse than this. I'm pretty sure they're terrible. But there was a picture of, it was obviously a porn star, whatever, bent over. And the ad said, your holes with mind pump

Clicked on it in Brunch of tour podcast Yeah, and there were there were a lot of them like that like they were like you know There was something we're terrible. I would not repeat it. I hope you don't find them. No, I hope you don't. They're so bad. Yeah, but you, you know, people got to understand what we are trying to do. Yeah. Because that is exactly what we're trying to do. You can't, you can't advertise a podcast traditionally on a porn website like. Oh, no, damn it. You have to mount them. You've found them.

You're orgasm. Blow your load, then blow your mouth. Hahaha. You can't. Slow your hair. Yeah. Slope your ear. It's my pain with my pump. I can't buy agrar for the brain. Oh, here's a good one.

This one was mine. It was to be a picture of a big ass cock, and then it would say average mind-pumplest night. So just like, it makes you want to click. Right. Oh, and then it's in large your penis ass. And then we would have a picture of a micro penis Which is a unfortunate situation. Sorry if I'm offending you and it would say this person doesn't listen

Has it list. Oh, here's another one mine pump feels good on your cock. That was gonna be a good one Milf's love mine pump right no, I can't read Try pumping your mind after your cock guys who listen to my pumpkin 60% more pussy Definitely I'm the numbers guy Throwing random percentages out listen to mine pump and My pump is better than the gang bang To mouth year to show

Here's the other thing okay, so does Doug was only on board if we funneled this specific traffic to their own landing page, right? So all these dirty, creepy, you know, there's certain ones that I can read and I know which ones are which, like who, like I know Justin's mind and I know for sure listen to my pump and come buckets is definitely That's mine. That's This one's great. This is a good one and I think I probably came I think I came up with this one because it sounds logical All right, this is the time. This is what the ad says after you're done jerking off listen to my pup Hey, after done Check this out. I got information into. Into huge cocks. Us too. Why would we put that?

I don't get that. That's what it said. It actually said that why. Oh man, we're playing this. We're gonna get dug as all kinds of notes too. Oh, gay side. Oh no, scroll up, scroll up, Doug. That's a terrible one.

I have to read that one. It said, it said, after we go, he has to read that one. A little lesbian fisting. Just kidding, listen to the bi-bub. Why? Why? Just kidding, boys.

Peyton Switch. You know, the real thing that's hilarious about all this is that we did actually spend time on this. This is actually took at least a couple days of embarrass. Hold on, we took more time than that. We actually sent Doug off to find photos. Oh, that's right. To create the ads.

Yes. And so Doug, where did you go? Doug had to do research in the dark lives. How did you do it? How did you get this research? Where did you find these pictures? Where did it, it's called Google. Oh, really?

That's all you did? Yeah, yeah. I thought maybe there was one of those sites where you can pay for the picture. Oh, no, yeah. There's stock you can pay for the picture? Oh, no Yeah, there's stock photos sites for porno pictures. Oh, there is yeah, oh that is So on Doug's computer it says you searching for big clocks. Yeah, I had to burn that computer Do you think that was our worst idea? What do you think was our worst idea? That was a bad one. Oh my god. That's, that's, that's, that's gotta be one of the best ideas we came up. We come up with a few where we didn't, you know, we didn't, you know, ideas where we think they sound great.

And the next day we're like, what? Yeah. That's not gonna work. But this is the best one, by far. What do you think were some like major game-changer decisions that we made along the way that made a big difference in either the podcast or the business general. I think our decision with our logo was, and that wasn't even something we all thought about. Really, it was really us kind of like, well, we got to put a logo up. And it was brilliant because when you're on,

the mad mic. Yeah, well, no, I mean the mind pump with the original. Yeah, the podcast stood out. Oh, the yellow and the black. Yeah, because truth. Here's like, if you're listening to start, remember, we all, I remember when Doug, Doug was when I brought it to us.

Yep. And I remember we were all kind of like, okay, no one was excited about it. Yeah, nobody really cared. And it was like, it works. You know, I'm saying, but we all said, well, you know, we'll make a cooler one later. That's it. But when you look at it, when you're scrolling for podcast. That's just it.

If you're about to start a podcast, or you have a podcast, when you look at the icons for apps on your phone, they're small. So if you have like a detailed picture with lots of writing, it looks real cool. It doesn't show up. No, because it's not a big icon, but if it's a small icon with like big letters,

like ours is like mind pump, it's very clear. So, and now that's kind of the standard. Now that's what people are starting to understand. So I think that was a big one. I think the other thing that was big was when we stopped starting the show with starting the show, because early on when we started Mind Pump, the episodes would start by,

all right, everybody, thanks for coming to Mind Pump. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. Do you remember what made us go to start and just cut into the conversation? Do we have that? That was one of the best decisions we could ever make. Is that?

I remember Doug, I do remember Doug saying something like, I like when you guys, when we just come into a conversation, I think he just started editing it that way, is that? It was either that or I don't remember. We might have had a conversation, but whatever happened, that switch was a huge, it was a game changer for us. It really changed the conversation. How about when you stopped asking Doug for time? That was early on. Yeah, that was early on. Well, you remember when we first started the strategy was to land between 20 and 30 minutes because the average Commute so the most people listened to podcasts while they're driving from two and from work the average commute was 22 minutes

So we thought it was a smart strategy to kind of fall around that and everything else was really long form Right, you know at the time and so we thought that would help to kind of differentiate us from it Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was logical. Yeah. And I'd ask Doug what time it was because, yeah. And the other thing too is we would have conversation. The things that are funny about that though is that when you're doing that, no one's really thinking about it,

like it's such a bad idea. It wasn't until like later do you kind of like start to go like, why are we saying that? Yeah, that's why we do. That's annoying. Why are we cutting it right here? Yeah. I think our out the gates, you know, we're just going to say what's on our mind.

I think that was such a great. Because we could have totally started the podcast, much more formulaic and much more like, okay, produced. Yeah. And the fact that we decided not to, I think was just great. And part of that might have been just, like we would wanna listen to it. You know what I mean?

Like we wouldn't wanna listen. Well I think, I think, you know, I think it's more common now, but when we first started it, it wasn't that common. We were, as far as I knew, we were one of the only shows that I knew that wasn't that produced up.

Even shows that people think aren't that produced or produced up, you know, there's, it's rare that I meet another podcaster who has any sort of, that has the same formula as we do where you just get on the mics and then you go. Almost everybody has notes, everybody cuts out the bad questions, the dead air, speeds up their, speeds it up so they sound like they're talking faster.

Like, there's a lot of tricks that people do to make, even make something that is real and authentic, still sound better and we were just pure raw. I think a lot of the decisions that we made weren't, we were outdogged. Yeah, that thing's back, you're still back on the chat. I'm trying. I'm reminiscing, bro back.

Bro back, mind pumping. It will kick you in the cut. That was another one. By the way, that's a real, that was a real one we can't wait. It's a kick in the cut. I have no idea. I don't know what that means.

But a lot of the decisions that we made along the way weren't, this is what I find fascinating. It wasn't us sitting around saying, this is what we're going to do. It just turned into that. For example, the format of our show, our quads are our most common episodes, right? The Q&A's. Those are also the most popular episodes. And we started doing those very early on

because it gave us great content. We wanted to connect with our audience. But it very naturally took on this, we bolshed in the beginning or do whatever conversation we want and then it transitioned into, all right, let's answer the questions. And it very naturally, now we hear this quad intro, this eagle and all, but it was like,

we just kind of morphed into that, that's the way we do the show. You know, it was different too. Like you had mentioned people having to cut out time, like having three people to fill spaces and gaps, it kept it going, so we don't have to edit like that. Because otherwise you kind of do a lot of times. You do, but that flow was really interesting, right?

It just kind of naturally happened. And times. You do, but that flow is really interesting, right? Just kind of naturally happen. And then the other thing too is other, I don't know how other podcasts end their podcast, but they tend to declare that they're gonna end it like, well, I think we're gonna, this is the last question or here's how we're gonna, and our show was always just ended when we all felt like it should end, which is always kind of weird.

You ever notice that? Well, no for the longest time. Group flow. It used to trip us out when we first started. We don't even comment on it anymore, but I remember we'd hang up, and we all actually like, I was done, I was done too. Oh, yeah, I remember it was already.

It was just like, we just stopped. Everyone stopped talking, no one had anything else to put in. Yeah, so I feel like that's kind of thing. I mean, intros, your idea, Adam, to do the intros was great. Especially with our interviews. Yeah, interviews and sponsors. Having an intro really allows us to do the intros was great. Especially with our interviews. Yeah, interviews and sponsors.

Well, having an intro really allows us to do sponsorships. And it makes it feel more authentic, too, to me. I feel like it doesn't force. I thought I mean, yeah. You don't feel like we're forced to. Yeah, it's okay. We mentioned this sponsor or whatever that during the show.

If you want more information on it, this is what we have on it. It's just so much better. I think that there's a lot of things I see now too with I was just talking to a kid yesterday about, you know, he's got a podcast and he's like on his 20th episode or whatever and he was just asking for some advice and they have three guys.

And I said, you know, I've seen quite a few people now try and run with three since we've started, you know, and I didn't really see that a lot. It's very rare. You normally see one or two, two max. And we're one of the, one of the few. And there's more now, but there wasn't a lot when we first started. I don't know very, I didn't know very many three man.

No, there's not. There's not a lot. And some of them have like, there'll be like one or two main hosts and then there's like like Doug the producer, like he comes on as much as Doug comes on the show. But it's hard to have, I mean, it takes really three unique personalities, I think, to mesh with three on a show. It's too much otherwise. It's too much. It's not, I don't know, I could see how it would be... Well, I remember when I first heard episodes where there would be multiple people. And what I didn't like was it was sometimes really hard to tell who was who, which I mean, I know that some people still had that problem a little bit with us, even though I think we sound all three of us sound way different.

Yeah. That was so much. I know everybody thought I was out. Everybody thought you were. They would get sound. I mixed up a lot. Like people a lot of times people get you and I mixed up, which I think is funny too, because I don't think we just don't pictures. Yeah, they thought I was you. It's like, no way.

Yeah, a lot more to offer. Yeah, it does. And then I also remember early on the decision, it wasn't really a decision, but it was including Doug in the conversation on a semi-regular basis. Remember that? Like we would do that.

And the reason why we did that as I think we were inspired, I know I was definitely inspired the conversation on a semi-regular basis. Remember that? We would do that. And the reason why we did that, as I think we were inspired, I know I was definitely inspired by Howard Stern. And how Howard Stern would always include all of them. Yeah, and so I'm like, no, no, no, Doug needs to be, as a part of the show, I need to be able to talk to him, ask him questions and have him comment,

because I think it's valuable to have that piece. Rogan does it too, and you can see a lot of the real popular shows tend to do that. Johnny Carson did it, right? He started it with Ed McMahon. Yeah, also with Paul. Yeah, also with all single guys, though. You know, it's rare to see two or three

and then it worked out. Because it's even ourselves, if you remember at the beginning, part of what I think has got better over time is, you know, we have gotten even better at pausing and not talking over each other in certain topics. So I think that that is something that has evolved, and I don't think it could have evolved with a different three, with for me at least. Like, I just think that what each person contributes to, what types of topics, like I think, and everybody has like this thing where, you know, if there's a guy talking

about something, and I know this is maybe just something that Justin does like to talk about more, like I actively don't say much, even though I could say much, but I know it's something that I know that he would. So I just automatically throttle back because I know that sometimes I have the ability to dominate the conversation much like self can do on sometimes. And the thing is too is a lot of it's based on feel. So you can, like any conversation, you can feel, you know, if you're in tune with the other

person when you should talk more, talk less and it's, there's a flow that kind of happens. We had that really well early on. I call it chemistry, right? Where we kind of feel that kind of happens, we had that really well early on, I call it chemistry, right, where we kind of feel that kind of flow, and that's good advice for someone looking to start a podcast with co-host, because here's the deal. At the end of the day, look, if you're just an informational podcast where I'm just gonna inform you

and read off of things in that doesn't matter, but if you have one, I have a more conversational podcast, which in my opinion, and I think I'm right, has a more... Yeah, and it has far more potential for... Well, think about it. It's all that stuff. It's taking over radio and talk radio has been around

forever and been extremely hot. And that's the part that's more relatable. It's funny, because I was actually having a pretty, in-depth conversation about this in my barber yesterday, I was getting my haircut. And it looks good, by the way. Yeah, thanks man, you know. It's, it's no supercuts, but it's it's a try.

But yeah, you know, we were we were just talking about like his favorite show is the Dan Lebitar show. So this is the ESPN podcast that he also has a show on ESPN, but he is, I guess just exploding the shows are just going crazy and their format is really unique, but it's super conversational based. Rarely do they touch like specifics in sports. They interact like on another level with their audience. So like real time, they'll read like tweets and stuff

that the audience is kind of providing. They have that sort of in the know feel, right? So if they cover a topic or whatever, it's like, and they've done it in the past, they're not gonna like catch people up to speed. Like you have to like have listened to the show. So it's like, it's this cult kind of thing behind it. And we're, we kept talking about it.

It's like, you know, it's that this old formula of like, I'm presenting you this information. And now to you, Susie, you know, and it's like that whole formula people are seeing right through that because that's not how you talk. No, to me in person. You might not relate. And you want to sit in on a conversation. And so my point with this is if you're going to start a podcast with another co-host and you're going to sit down and have conversation, you got gotta pick a fucking partner that you, if you didn't have a podcast, you'd like to sit down

and have a conversation with. And here's a deal, this is the funny thing. And my girlfriend's already commented on this several times when we all get to, which is not common, I wish we would do it more often, but we don't, but when we all get everybody together like, you know, wives, girlfriends, families, my girlfriend always comments, wow, I feel like I'm watching MindPup

because me, you know, me, Adam, Justin, the three of us, with Doug, will go right into deep fucking, you know, long conversation just like this. And so you have to, if you find that, that may be the person you'd want to partner with. Well, that's what you don't find that it's horrible. This is part of the magic behind firing the kid.

Fire the kid, they're both really friends. They hang out, they go, and you can hear it. Yeah, you can hear it. And they're the way they can talk to each other and pick on each other and do things like that. Like there's, that's not gonna make him all insecure, piss him off.

Like I remember when we first had Craig, like I remember thinking like we don't have that relationship. Like we're cool when we first had Craig, like I remember thinking like we don't have that relationship. Like we're cool, we're buddies, you know, and we communicate on a regular basis, but we didn't have the same bond. Just the tight rope a bit. Yeah, like I feel like I could literally say

the meanest shit the Justin or you. Yeah, but it's fine. You know, it's like, what did I say? I said the meanest shit. Hey, what did I say apart from you? And I said some mean. Did you listen to that episode? Oh, yeah. What did I say? I said the meanest shit. Hey, what did I say apart? I said, I said some mean. Did you listen to that episode? What did I say?

What did I say? I talked shit. Yeah, it wasn't even like, I would I say. I was laughing because my assumption was when you guys get on a podcast without me, you know, you're gonna throw some jabs in there. I was like expecting it. You know what I have?

I haven't done it in a while because it's like, I listen to you guys all the time. I'm not gonna listen to you on some other asshole asking you questions. You don't have to be supportive. It's okay. I think you guys are listening to me on podcast. It's fine. But I was like, no, I'm listening to this.

I want to see how this went. I want to see what they talked about. Topics they covered this and that. And right out of the gates, I think you guys, you're in the gym setting. So obviously, you could hear barbells and shit like Clang in on the ground and Forget you guys are introducing yourselves and then I think it was I'm pretty sure it was Adam was like kind of describing He's like oh, yeah, like I'm the handsome one and you know he's that smart one. We got the other guys

You know the ugly funny one I was so ugly funny one. I was like, ugly funny one. Oh, get you. Oh my, get you Adam. Did you really say that? I wasn't, it wasn't like that specific words, but it was like, you know, the same context. It might be.

Even if it was, I was dying. I called you the other guy because ever since somebody said that, right? So that's like me repeating something. I called myself that. Right. It's, it's fucking, I love it. So I called myself that. Yeah, it's all right. It's fucking, I love it. No, I was out of the text.

No, literally it was something about me being the one that, you know why? Because you guys were on video. That's what brought it up, right? Because it was like on YouTube or it was going to live on YouTube. So you made some joke that, you know, think, I would get the handsome ones here. Yeah. I'm the other guy. It's funny, but we can't put them on film.

Yeah. I was like, oh, Adam go and, you said I'm a bitch. So Justin called last night on the on the thread, Justin calls me out for that. I haven't even heard it. And then Sal comes back. What did you say? You came back. You said, you said to Justin, you said, Justin, I've been meaning to tell you, Adam's really mean when you're not when you're not around.

Oh, yeah. And I said, back, I said, the fuck you talking about, I mean, consistently, all that's consistently mean. And then I said, oh, yeah, he was just being atom. Oh, yeah, you're right. Oh, what about, so I gotta say it, I don't care. The, you know, we obviously have it are, our facilities next to a gym across it, Jim. Oh, you're good.

And we share, we share a bathroom with them, which by the way, I hope they fixed the bathroom soon. Fucking ridiculous. But anyway, yeah, our back doors open sometimes and there's a dude that works out in there that you know, is Adam. So they're kind of like not really buddies or whatever, but they know each other. And he always just barges in. I don't listen to this though. He always barges in and he says, you know, hey, it was any talk shit and whatever. And he's a cool guy. Yeah's nothing wrong. Yeah, yeah, he's. So he walks in and I got a preface this by saying he's probably five, five, maybe, right? If that maybe five, five, three, three.

Okay, five, three. So he walks in and we're, I don't remember what we were doing. We were meeting. Adam was probably angry. I think we're angry. I was saying, I think you're angry because of the pollen or something. Yeah, yeah. He was a little bit agitated. A little bit. He get smelling on it. Yeah, yeah, sometimes I have so he's sitting there

We're sitting like how it's the guy walks in he makes some like comment like dudes do like what's up? Fuckers you guys working with a better and then I'm just fucking real loud He's like hey man, did you get taller or something? You weren't you weren't heels? Yeah, you look on taller. It's in the worst it's a journey that dude's been dealing with Right in the worst security that dude's been dealing with. But this is the right in the nuts. I couldn't believe it. There was reason behind that because he is a loud guy and he's a fireball and I got nothing but love for him.

He's good dude. Smart guy has a very successful business that's how we got connected, love what he's doing and stuff like that. And he's, he has a big t-shirt line that he provides for like the CrossFit community and does really that and he's he's he's a he's a big t-shirt line that he provides for like the CrossFit community Does really well and he's fucking a cool dude and we talk a lot But he's definitely a loud guy and just like he'll just come in you know

I'm saying like he walks because he knows me He just shit walks in our studio whenever he wants will be in a meeting with somebody or with that and the guy will just kind of come in and we Because we leave our back door open so we can go to and from the bathroom We it's but nobody does that. Nobody really just comes into our suit. Maybe people peek in, let's see what's going on, but it doesn't look welcoming, like, come on in, you know what I'm saying? But he barges in.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm in the building. Right. And he just aes right through us. He loves to talk shit. He's a big talker. And I'm like, hey, Shorty.

Old school. Yeah. Like old school, like, you you know when you talk to you Yeah, yeah, you're real talk. Hey, what's up fatty? Working on your pocket. I want to do it. I want to do that one of these days like you know when you yell at someone that cuts you off And you say something like book you asshole what I'm gonna do and I'm gonna test this out fire insecure I want to actually hit him with your mom hate you No, but something real.

Like if you look at them and they're like overweight, like, well, you're a fat mother, you know, just making my own. Yeah, you got to pick things that are like, like real, a nose or their eye, like you pick those things. Like that's what kids are mean like that, bro. Oh, that's why that's why bullying is so bad is because. Cause it's real. Well, it is.

That's why. Like, but it's true. It is because it's the kids. They don't know. They just, they see what they see. They see that so you have something that's not like but it's true. It is because it's the kids. They don't know. They just they see what they see They see that so you have something that's not like everybody else, right? Yeah, the fucking Sesame Street episode right you fucking can't you one of these things doesn't belong together You know saying you have a bigger nose and everybody else right or something different

Start fucking with it and kids are but now here's the argument that I had with that too a part of that like it is real You do have a mole there or your nose is bigger than average. At one point, you're gonna have to face this. At one point, you're gonna have to accept who you are. It's like, you are your feedback. It is, it's real, it's real, it's real, fucking feedback early on in life. And instead of us coddling the kids over being booing,

like maybe let's fucking talk to them about it. Like, they said I have a big nose. Well, honey, okay, first off, let's be clear. You do have a big nose. Right, however, it's not a bad thing. Yes. Yeah, have that conversation. What, you want, yeah, you want to know the truth

about yourself hanging out with a bunch of like eight-year-olds. You know what I mean? And just wait and see the comments. Did you guys have like a trigger, like word or something that someone would say to you when you were little? That was like, that hurts me. Mama's boy. No, that was quick, bro.

That was quick, man. I remember that like vividly growing up dude, cause like that was like, no, no, no, no, no. No one calls me that. Now why was it because when you were young, you were a Mama's boy, were you attached to your mom? I think, yeah, I think I was definitely like, I think what it was for me was I wasn't allowed

to do a lot of stuff. And so then they associated that with being like, well, you know, if you do, mommy tells you to do. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? And so I was like, no, I do what I want. You know, like, I'm getting it became this thing that, yeah, I was like, which is why he gets frazzled when we play with him back in front of the work.

Oh, I know, yeah. You're always going to do it, Adam says. Yes. Yes, right? Yeah, like on some level, I know. Yeah, you're always going to do it, Adam says. Yes. Yeah, like on some level, I joke with it. But yeah, on some level, I'm sure. You shouldn't give that to me. You shouldn't give that to me.

You shouldn't give that to me. I got some real powerful, I'm saving from it. I'm going to use it. Oh, dairy yourself. It's so good. It's fine. I'll get you back. Well, for me, it was skinny me too.

It was. Yeah. The only one that comes to mind that ever like, because everything else they felt like I overcame. So I felt like if kids that made fun of me for being poor, like, yeah, no, shit, I am. I'm saying like, whatever, like if I crooked teeth, yeah, no shit, I got them. You know, saying like the things that I got teased for then that bother me, but the skinny thing hit me

different. Like the skinny thing hit me, which is what led me and motivated me to eventually lift weights was, and I think that, it never hit me to the point where I was like depressed or mad, but inside it was like, I wanted to solve that. Like inside it causes like, you know what? I think it's a combination of, for me, I'm the same, actually we're all like this, but this is a specific thing, right?

It's like you take a person who has the kind of mentality where if they don't like something, they're gonna pull up their sleeves and they're gonna change it. So I've had that attitude since I was a young child. I think you have as well. So people say you're skinny, you feel insecure about it. I'm gonna do something about it. And the cool thing is with exercise, you actually see the effects of that. And it only strengthens this belief that I can change things. So I'm so happy, like I'm very appreciative of that.

It was skinny for me. So am I. Because it drove me to seek for that. And I probably wouldn't have, I probably would have gave up if it wasn't such a deep rooted insecurity. Because it was so deep, you know, I didn't have, I wasn't like somebody

who touched weights and blew up right away at all. I worked at it and did a lot of things the wrong way for a really long time because I was driven by that insecurity. So you use that and that's why I think that it's sometimes it's tough to like beat yourself up over certain things like that because a lot of times when you see these people that are great at something, a lot of times it's driven through this insecurity that's been rooted for a very long time and it's what's made them so special on the other end of it. Well, they've worked so hard. Let's be honest. If you're going to be the top 5% of something, then there's probably dysfunction. There's probably some dysfunction. What I mean by that is, like, if you're gonna be one of the top five wealthiest people

in the world, you know, starting and building your own from scratch, you're gonna be, you're probably gonna be obsessive. You're probably gonna be dysfunction. You're probably not gonna have good relationships with friends and family. You're probably gonna be on balance and that kind of stuff. Same thing with the search for knowledge, the search for, you know, building your body or whatever, if they're typically driven by something that's so deep seated that it pushes you to do things,

to lose that kind of balance. Did you see that post that Logan did, the one who interviewed all of us, he did a post about famous people that you've met? No, I don't see it. So I wrote a line, I happen to be high that night, and I wrote this, which is probably why I didn't think it through, like I probably should have said this differently

because somebody received it the wrong way and like, talk shit to me, call me a douchebag over it. And he was asking his audience or his followers, hey, have you guys met any famous people and who have you met? And you could tell that he was like really jazzed to hear like, who's the most famous people and who's met all these people? And he was listening off people who he's met and

You know, I started listing off all these stories of like famous people that I've been around and professional athletes and I said you know to be honest Like I'm really not impressed and I'm not impressed that They don't do something very impressive. I think that's what their skill that they do, whether it be a sport just brilliant, and so they're these authors, or they've done, or they're actors or actresses, they have a talent that they are incredible. But the more of them that I was around,

the more I realized that they were out of balance in other parts of their life, and that's part of what drove them to be so successful in these events. So it was actually very rare that I would meet somebody super famous who was super talented in something, and that's why they were super famous. And they were good communicators with people, and they were friendly, or they were really intelligent somewhere else.

Like, they just... True, think about it this way. I bet you have a bunch of musicians, you know, right now, maybe some are listening, that would say, if I could only have the creative power that Jimmy Hendrix had, they want that. Like, and I'm just using Jimmy Hendrix as an example. But what they don't realize is what part of what may have created that

or what comes with that is the internal... Turm oil. Yes. ...tormant, that drove that type of creation. Did that or what comes with that? Is the internal turmoil and torment that drove that type of creation. So, and it's like, it's funny, it reminds me of this cartoon I'm watching with my son, which I definitely should not be watching with my son.

For sure, way more appropriate. Yeah, have you guys ever watched Afro Samurai? Is there watchin'? You know, I've seen clips of it, but I've never actually watched one. Fucking badass, dude. It's fucking badass. It's like this anime of this...

Cartoon Network. This samurai who watches his dad get killed, and so then he goes on this mission to find the man who kills him. He is a big afro. He has a big afro, and his dad did too, so these black dudes. But it's hilarious. Samuel L. Jackson is one of the voices. Fucking hilarious.

And he's searching for the number one headband and the number one headband when you when you have that you have all these godly powers you become like unstoppable and it's funny because he searches for this and when you get it when you get it you live a life of turmoil because people are constantly challenging you and it reminds me of this in the sense that you want these incredible achievements I want to be like Elon Musk or I want to be whatever, but do you really want all those things? You know, the judgment, that level.

And just the internal drive that causes you to maybe have terrible relationships, maybe causes you to be. There's an after-all summer. And that's what I meant by the post that I was doing, is I just started listing off. And they're cool stories. Like, don't be get wrong.

Like, you know, sitting around a campfire, smoking some weed, asking me about some cool experiences that I've had with famous people. And, you know, there's some cool stories to tell for campfires. But how many of those people do what would I really care to be friends with?

To be honest with you, not very many of them. You know, it's just, and some of the ones that are balanced, they're not. You know, and that's okay though. Like I can totally respect and admire their gift and their talent But I think it's crazy when we we hold some of these people up in this like limelight. Oh my god They're so trying to get you know try to get some like athletes like Michael Jordan to not talk about basketball No, we we tend to What what happens is we take,

we see people who have these gifts. They'll over glamorize it. Well, what we do is we make them gods. We start to worship them, and like they are infallible or they're perfect or they're great people. Like, how many people do you know if they were talking about the favorite celebrity?

Who they've never met and don't know at all? All of them be like, man, I fucking love that guy. Such a good guy you could tell tell he's a good guy. Oh, she's so funny, she's so down to earth. You don't fucking know them. You assume that because you admire their gift so much that what happens as humans is when we admire someone for a gift, we tend to turn them into,

put them on a pedestal and turn them into this amazing person because how could we possibly admire someone so much if they're not this perfect God? You see what I'm saying? And we do that and it's such a bad thing that we do. Because then you have idiot celebrities preaching about what you should vote on or what should happen.

They don't know anything at all about anything. And they give terrible advice. Like why, look at your great actor. I love watching you acting. Stick with acting. But you're, I don't know you. I don't trust you. Well, it's the same thing we see with hot chicks on Instagram that all of a sudden now are You know answering fitness advice Same fucking thing. It's like you don't know anything about this. Well, at least they show something though

You know, I mean like oh, we're fit. Maybe you know a little bit about fitness Anyway, always good times with you guys. Yeah, no, I, these, these, this 420 episode is a good one. Yeah, I like it. We haven't had an episode where we really talked about, we're stressed our legs in a while. Everything we've done. We've been, I've, I noticed that when we first started talking,

I'm like, you know what's crazy is, we've been doing so many interviews and quads that we just, remember when we first started, we had a ton of content information, but there got to be a point where we'd sit there and be like, well, what should we talk about? What should be the topic today? Or what should we address today? And we'd have to come up with these ideas

because we didn't have interviews lined up. We were only doing, I think, one quaw back then, and we didn't even have a lot of people that were engaging at that time. So we're just constantly coming up with topic ideas. It's like we haven't even had to do that in so long that I forget that it's sometimes it's nice just to get on here and not have any direction or anything that we have to cover or any sponsorships that we have to talk about or any.

And back then we used to part ways. You know, right. We used to go do our other, you know, site jobs at the time and then or, you know, just reconvene once, twice a week. And you got all this new stuff to like catch up on. Are you guys seeing that even? There wasn't a single moment since starting this that I even had the slightest doubt

that this would be something that we would be doing for a long time. How weird is that from day one? From day one, I didn't think to myself like, well, I'm right away. Well, I remember it's a conchana. I had this conversation. I remember her asking me like,

because she's been with me seven years. And in seven years, she's watched one, two, three, four. Me build four businesses in that time. So her question to me was like, you this gonna be something that you build up, you do, and then you move on to something else? Do you find yourself doing mind pump for a long time? And I said, you know, it's crazy as I do. I really do, and the reason why I do

is because it's the first thing ever that I've been a part of building that it fulfills so many of my needs and things that are important to me. And some of those are crazy ones. Like, I have to be stimulated with new challenges and new ideas and new ways to make money. Like, yeah, that's important.

Like, I like to be challenged by. That's why you build them up and then, you know, sell them off or like make them profitable and then move on to something else. Well, that's what's cool about this one is that it's turned into something that there's so many like sub business and pillars within the business that it feeds that side. I mean, that's important. Then it has another side to me that's really important. That's why I fell in love with fitness and health is it has this accountability piece

for me is that if I'm going to talk to people and teach people about health and wellness, it requires me to continue to improve upon myself. So it provides me this opportunity for growth and the space that I already know that I love to do. And then you add in the fact that I have to put all of this out on air where people are gonna listen to me and critique and hang on every fucking word that I'm saying, which is now also challenged me to grow mentally and also to work on the way I articulate my thoughts,

which is, it provides this other area for me to grow. and also to work on the way I articulate my thoughts, which is, it provides this other area for me to grow. It's turbo broach. It's turbo broach. It's turbo broach. It's turbo broach. It's the incubator of growth, you know, like, it's been this crazy accelerated path that even just for me and my communication skills and like what, you know, I sit around and

talk about my wife now. It kind of trips me out. It's like, you know, wow,'s like, wow, it's really stimulating and it's definitely like, either you're in or you're going to get crushed. So it's like every day you just want to come in guns blazing and conquer something. Well, you know what's cool too, is that we're, we're all our leaders. And right now, a lot of what we've done to build to where we are has been about ourselves or been about the business, the single thing.

And now that it's getting to this point, what I'm really excited about is when we really get to follow another passion of mine, which is developing other people. Oh, I can't wait. And building others up and helping others be successful because I enjoy doing that probably more. I do too.

I mean, that to me has always been my fate, what kept me at 24 for as long as it did was my people. I love to build a team and I love to find young, hungry minds that wanted to learn, that wanted to be better, that wanted to help others, and I wanted to help teach them how to do that while making money and having a livelihood. I just totally got off on that.

So we're just now starting to kind of touch that in this business and I think that is gonna be, that going to fulfill aside of me that I love doing for years. I've never worked for three years and it feel like the fastest period of time ever. Yeah. And a lot has happened in that three years. But I've never, I mean, three years working in a gym feels like an eternity. It feels like a fucking eternity. And I love the gym.

So I don't like it. I love it. Three years with my pump feels like, I mean, if I think about it, I can see like, whoa, shit, that was three years ago. And if I think about how different we were, even three years ago, and how much we've grown, and all that stuff, yeah.

But when I just, otherwise, it's like, God, it's weird. It feels like, I used to count the days. I don't even know what day it is today. It's Friday. That's it's weird. It feels like I used to count the days. I don't even know what day it is today. It's Friday. That's because you had a beautiful day. I don't know because of what happened earlier. What do you think of? I'm really interested to see.

So, Taylor is finding his groove and the stuff that he's doing within the business. And he's starting to get into a lot of the partnership networking for us and handling that side of the business, which I love because it's the side of the business that I enjoy, and seeing him be able to be kind of an extension of what I like to do, and now start to align us with some really cool companies and do some really in-person live stuff. I think it's going to be fun. I think now is the time we have enough people, especially on the West Coast, that we can tour the West Coast and come up and fill it.

It'll be a new, this will be a new growth period for us because we're, we're proficient at podcasting, we're getting proficient at video. We're not, our skill isn't on video, as good as it on, on probably, what I mean by that is our comfort flow, that stuff, but it's getting there. Live is new. So live, I feel like however we do in the beginning, we're going to get so much better, you know, later on. And I'm excited because every time we do something new, it's a new area to grow. And I think that that's definitely something that I'm looking forward to it.

And that's the thing. It about fear and like excitement. And like, you know, we talked about this just recently on a podcast. And it's at that level now where fear to me feels way more like it's excitement. Yeah. and it's at that level now where fear to me feels way more like it's excitement. Yeah. And so that to me, I've been one of the biggest fears, you know, is just talking in front of people and that's already like, oh, shit, that's gonna be fun, exciting, everything's gonna be... Did I tell you guys that one of our guys, one of our close buddies, I won't name him because I know he doesn't want to probably sell out Brett Contreras on this,

but he was... We'll sell someone else out. Yeah, we'll sell Brett out, whatever. That's what Brett gets for not coming up here on the show. Oh, sorry, Glute Master. No, I actually I think we're supposed to meet up with him when we're down south. He's a cool guy. Yeah, no, Brett's all dude.

And who I'm talking about, actually, he said nothing but great things about him. So he's fucking learned so much, full of knowledge. A guy is fucking awesome. But I guess that he's absolutely terrified of like speaking in public like that. Oh, this other person is there. So in the end, he's, I guess, you know,

Brett is holding these like, glute camps and like certification, he's doing certification courses and everything through his facility. And I can't remember, he told me there's like 50 to 70 people in there or 30 to 50, I can't remember exactly how many, but somewhere in that range and He was all like suited and tied up and he said he was like he literally was just drenched in sweat sweating

And he had to like stop mid mid sentence. I had to go I got to get breathy guys I don't like talking to any of that to go sit down like over in the corner all by himself like pause the fucking Middle the talk and like had to like walk away. Oh, dude. That's crazy But you people don't know that. Dude, let me tell you something. Some of the guys that are, and that's what, this is what's wrong with our industry is, guys like him that do have incredible information,

are intelligent, are breaking through on some great, I mean, if it wasn't for, I mean, we all see the hip thrust now exploding because of him, right? That is Brett Contreras, 100%. Before that, nobody was doing these. And he did all the research, all the studies to prove how beneficial they are.

Otherwise, you wouldn't see dudes doing it now. You see body builder guys, you see power lifter guys. Oh my God. 10 years ago, if a guy was doing that, he would've got left out. Yeah, totally. And so he's completely changed the game. So, but not a lot of people know who he is. And not a lot of people are falling or paying attention because, you know, they're not the best at marketing and selling and being and being that voice out there. So that's, I tell you

what, if you want to have a superpower, a real superpower, just learn how to do something that most people are afraid of, if you can do, if you can pick anything that most people are afraid of, if you can pick anything that most people are scared of and you become not afraid of it, not only that, but become good at it, you then have a superpower. One of the easiest ones that I can think of, because you could do things like, you know, run a super fast marathon, climb a mountain, like, you know, crazy stunts on a bike, you could do all these things that take a lot dangerous and whatever. Here's an easy one.

It's still hard, but it's easy. Learn how to get comfortable talking in front of people. That will separate you so much from so many other people. And just like sales and communication skills is invaluable. If you get good at talking, that's why I'm excited to do this because I'm not necessarily terrified of speaking in front of people,

but of all of my methods of the number one fear that they tested, statistically, it's that and, you know, a racquet of phobia or whatever is up there high, but that was definitely, I believe in the number one. Yeah, and for me, I'm not scared. I mean, I'll do it. It's not a problem. It's just, I'm not superversed in it like I am with this kind of conversation or small groups. I'll talk in front of small groups, no problem. So I can't wait to get really good at that, or to practice it and get better at it is what I should say.

Does that feel like that's such a valuable, that'll be such a valuable tool. And for us, for our growth, I think it'll be the next level. Well, that's, you know, you're touching on something that I think is an important point is, you know, learning in business to find your blue water, right? And I think everybody's, when someone, like, what's happening right now,

and I was talking to this kid the other day about this, who's starting this podcast, and he's getting into it, I'm kind of asking him what he's doing, and I said, you know, part of what, you know, the successive mind, but I said, we definitely were not talented on the mics, whatsoever.

There's like, we had none of us knew what the fuck we were doing when we were doing it, but we did, I did see the blue water in what we were doing big time. And by blue water, I mean, it's just, it's not shark-infested, right? So shark-infested water is red water. That's when you get into a space,

you get into an industry that's overpopulated. Everyone's trying to do it. That's people killing it. Right, we're seeing that right now in marijuana. Like everybody is jumping on board. Starting to get more red. Right, and you're starting to see that happen even on podcasting now.

Okay, the cat's out of the bag. There's money to be made here. Everyone's going to hear. Let's all just jump in. And, you know, so you think you're doing kind of the right thing because, you know, everyone is doing it. And so therefore, the industry's gonna grow. And you might make your way there and be okay

because of that if your timing was early enough, right? If you timed it right and got in early enough, you might right away and be shitty. We've seen examples of this. I mean, we know If you timed it right and got in early enough, you might write a wave and be shitty. We've seen examples of this. I mean, we know podcasts that I listened to and I'd be like, man, they're not that great, but they got in so early they rode the wave. So I think understanding that when you get into a space

like this is really looking at it and saying, okay, what is somebody not, what need is somebody not fulfilling or what is it different? Where's the blue water at? And for us, I remember going like, okay, I see these like health fitness podcasts that are really good and they're highly produced and they're putting out really good information

and it keeps my attention. But then I ask myself like, would any of my clients or my buddies or anybody like listen to this? Like hell no, like he's got, it's one doctor interviewing some scientists and they're talking about lab results and they're, I mean, stuff that I like because I'm learning. You're boring. Yeah, but I'm such a small niche of people.

So I really think that, you know, understanding and being able to see that was important early on. And then I saw the other side, which was like peer entertainment. Like, oh, maybe laugh, there are hilarious. All these things are great. Like, okay, I could see my buddies listening to that because it's really funny, but then it doesn't really add a lot of value

to their life other than laughter and humor, which I think does add value to their life, but not like real apical things that they can do, like working out better or doing things you can do. And you're not, you're definitely influencing people, but you're not influencing people as if you were presenting good, you know, information that people could apply and change and whatever. That's what you mean by that

value. You do that with entertainment. Right. And you've got a pretty crazy format. And nobody was really doing that in our space. Nobody was really combining this entertainment value that an average Janner Joe, who may not even be, I mean, that's when I, that's another thing when I knew we were on the right track when I was meeting these people that would tell me, they would start up and they, you know, I'm not really into working out, but I love the show.

I still hear that. I still hear that. I know I love the stuff, the topics you cover, I think the information is great. I always feel like I learned something from it. I was like, okay, good. I know that I'm on to something because it's not, I knew finding another me out there

would wanna listen to this. Like I knew finding another person like me that was seeking a little bit of entertainment with some good information that they could walk away with every, I knew that was out there, but I didn't know if it would draw people that had no desire to learn about fitness. You know what I'm saying?

And I think that's important. So you see all these people jumping in, we have a lot of peers in the space that are starting podcasts up. And it's like, oh, I'm going to start a health and fitness podcast. Like, okay, cool. What's your angle? Yeah, what is different? What are you, what value are you going to add to people's lives that mean? And there may be something. And I've heard some people that I thought, you know, oh, that's, that's a smart idea. I think that's a good idea. No one's really doing that right now. You know, I had this idea that I want to do with my buddy still,

and we don't have the time to do it, is much of the health and fitness space, what we talk about, how fucked up and corrupt the fitness industry is, well, the medical marijuana and marijuana industry is very much so the same. And when we talk about bro science, there's bro science and cannabis. Growers science is these guys that have passed down

information, family, generation, generation, and they just go about growing. Very few guys that I meet, very many, like none, I would meet when I first started getting into growing actually understood the science behind it. Like, they were just people that had passed down information. And so when they would tell, oh, you need to do this because that makes the crystals pop.

Like, what the fuck does that mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck does that mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck is that? You don't have a breaking bad episode. Yeah, right. So they would say things like that and be like, okay, well, what does that mean? And so then I would go back and I would start to research

and oh, I said, oh, I get it. When you flood the plant system with this much carbohydrates and that's the plant's way of responding. I do this, but you can overdo that. And you can underdo that. And there's a sweet spot for every strain, like, oh shit, I'm on to something. You know what I'm saying?

I would start to piece this stuff together and I became what you would call a master grower in a very short period of time because I just did the research. Are there any podcasts in that space? Not, like there are podcasts, but they're terrible. They're not entertaining to listen to. They're not informative and entertaining. They're either some really nerdy guy talking about,

it's very similar to what our space was. So no one's gone in there, like gone in, gave it, made it in forming, took, put a mind pump spin on it. And that's what my buddy is like, man, I love it. And he's a fan of our show, right? You guys know Sturgel. And he's the one, he's the one who's been, you know,

pulling on my shirt for a while. Like we gotta do this. There's still no good podcasts that are doing it. And he's the one who's been pulling on my shirt for a while. Like we've got to do this. There's still no good podcasts that are doing that. And he's on another level, and he has the other side that, so, Sal, you have a lot of the in-depth medical side because of the direction that you went. I have a lot of experience in the growing side, and then Sodas, and he's on a whole other level

with the supplement nutrient and water, and everything like that, because because of his because he used to Provide that for normal farms and his businesses now growing to where he's starting to provide that for you Did you know that there's Indexes marijuana indexes now where you can follow the marijuana market on the stock market? Yeah, and I was looking at some of these and they've all had great returns. Yeah. Yeah. This is a good time to invest No, it is. It really is, but the heart, again, the hardest thing

with investing in that is similar to the hard thing with investing in I see people doing in cryptocurrency is also a great time to grab some of those things. But my recommendation when investing in either one of those is do your homework, do your research, pick three to five companies or things that you really believe in because you've done your research and invest 5% of your income that you can. Very volatile.

Very small, throw it in there, leave it up because it's early enough that this is like when you think back to the people that, oh, I wish I would have put $100 into McDonald's stock way back when I'm saying, just fucking put it in there. And I think of it, don't think about it anymore. I've been telling my brother-in-law and my other buddy who are, you know, they jumped on the crypto thing about the same time I did. And they're like, up and down with it

and freaking out every time. Let's sit there. Yeah, leave it, sit there, don't let it, don't, I mean, I know there's some guys that are using it like day trading and they're making money off the swings of it, which if you know, if you can do your shit. Yeah, if you're gonna day trade, you better know your shit. Yeah.

And you have to have brass balls because you're gonna have swings where some days you make thousands and some times you lose. Yeah, it's like playing poker. The end result you wanna have positive, but you gotta be able to deal with the swings and I wouldn't have, I don't think I have the fortitude. I wouldn't be able to lose 10 grand.

Like we're gonna in the medic and the mayor'll consume you too. Yeah, I never wanted a street Dude, I just gonna end up looking at a screen like all day, you know Freaking out now. I do my research. I throw money in it and I just fucking forget all about it Excellent. Check it out. Go download our app Mind pump media then you can search all of the episodes for specific topics, for example, if you looked up cannabis, this episode would probably pop up. Licked it up. Thank you for listening to MindPump.

If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbumble at MindPunkMedia.com. The RGB Superbumble includes maps on the ballack, maps performance, and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal and Iman Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels, and performs. With detailed workout nutrients and over 200 videos, the RGB Superbundle is like having sal and an adjustment as your own personal trainers, but at a fraction of the price. The RGB Superbundle has a 430-day money-back

guarantee, and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at MindPumpMedia.com. If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review on iTunes and by introducing MindPump to your friends and family. We thank you for your support and until next time, this is MindPump. you