Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 759: Improving Your Glutes & Hamstrings, Optimizing Lifespan, Best Age to Begin Steroids & MORE

Episode Date: April 28, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best way to work on the hamstring and glute ham tie-in, the “optimal” time for someone to get on gear, the human lifespan if all aspects of human health & wellness are optimized and how much money it would take to “sellout.” Mind Pump back in Austin! (3:34) Bill Cosby Found Guilty of Sexual Assault in Retrial. Guys share their thoughts on our perception of celebrity. (5:50) Researchers discover the key link between fat, immune cells, and heat regulation. The benefits of stressing your body for adaptation. (16:27) Older adults grow just as many new brain cells as young people. The power of exercise on the brain and the crisis of masculinity. (21:50) A liability to own a car in the future? The guys speculate on the future of automated vehicles and the changes ahead. (33:40) #Quah question #1 – What are the best ways to work on the hamstring and glute ham tie-in? (44:45) #Quah question #2 – What is the “optimal” time for someone to get on gear? (57:34) #Quah question #3 – What are your speculations on the human lifespan if all aspects of human health & wellness are optimized? (1:10:07) #Quah question #4 - How much money would it take you guys to “sell out?” (1:21:05) Related Links/Products Mentioned: Bill Cosby guilty on all three counts in indecent assault trial Urban Dictionary: cleat chaser Brown adipose tissue and thermogenesis Researchers discover key link between fat, immune cells and heat regulation Older adults grow just as many new brain cells as young people Brain-derived Neurotrophic Factor Grip strength predicts death risk better than blood pressure Driverless cars could be better or worse for our health – it's up to us Self-driving cars offer huge benefits—but have a dark side Ep 715-Mind Pump Goes Deep with Ben Pakulski MAPS Aesthetic - Mind Pump The Secret To A Great Butt | Mind Pump Media Organifi US life expectancy People Mentioned: Tom Bilyeu (@tombilyeu)  Instagram Charlie Sheen (@charliesheen)  Twitter Dr. Rhonda Patrick (@foundmyfitness)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@ifbbbenpak)  Instagram Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this super awesome paleo episode, this is a paleo episode. Because we're here at paleo, we're drinking a beer half vegan. We're in Austin and we're in the PaleoFX event area or whatever. So for the first 40 minutes, Adam, Justin, and myself,

talk about current events and have some fun conversation. We start out by talking about one of our childhood heroes who is turning out to be a terrible person. He is a terrible, terrible, terrible man. Bill Cosby convicted might be going to jail. We talk about that brown fat and cold therapy. That's the kind of fat you get when you want the sun, Justin. Oh, talk about it.

He gets red fat. Yeah, I can. It's more of a pink. It's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. We talk about new brain cells for people in advanced age.

We talk about grip strength and longevity. What's the difference between pink and purple? Your grip. We talk about the crisis of masculinity and the future of cars and movement. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, what's the best way to work on the mysterious hamstring and glute Tyon, the ham glute, Tyon, Adam trained people on that all the time. I guess coaching people. I guess it's cool to hold on this question. Justin had no idea what we were talking about.

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In other words, how long do we think people can live if they're being really, really healthy? And finally, this person, as I've, sounds like they're making this an offer. Yeah. How much money would it take for us to sell out? Yeah. Adam's the cheapest one. The pity starts on Monday. I don't know if I'm the cheapest one.

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You can find out more about that and more about our individual maps programs at mindpumpmedia.com. We're back. We're back. We're back. In Austin. Yeah, this is become, I like this town. I was going to say our second home, but it's more like our third, because I say we do LA more, right?

We do. Just a little bit more though. I mean, we've been to Austin quite a few times. Well, how many times? Five, now five or six? Is this no one hasn't? No. Four?

Is it really? Yeah, bro, we've been to a few times. Oh, shit. Four or five? Minimum. Minimum four or five. Oh, shit. You know, I can't keep track of all the times

we've gone places now. Well, I can think that we stayed here twice and I can think of two other houses not including the haunted house, so that's five. So we've been at least, I can think five different houses that have been in over here since. What a great town. It's a, I love it.

It's got a good personality. The food is the most impressive thing. Oh my God. Oh yeah. It's one of the better food places I've ever eaten at. When we hit that next level, dude, I'll be flying over here just for the barbecue. Yeah.

Next level would I get just to find like a $1,000 flight just for some bar. Taylor, can you get a sponsor from a lot barbecue? No, guess you know if you see Bill use them Bill you is hopping on his private jet service that he he fucks with yeah, you know what remind me don't Me forget I want to reach out to him about that because I think he's connected to that. What do you mean? Is he a partner? He's a part investor Part what and and it's in one of those you, it's part of the first statement. Part of what?

And it's in one of those, you know, like the Uber of jets is like the new thing. Oh, shit, yeah. So, private jet, and then you can, you can basically Uber. There's obviously a lot of flights from the Bay Area to LA, but people that are flying private jets that are probably flying there by themselves. I wonder what that'll cost, what that'll look like. Yeah, well, I think somebody who travels as much as we do, or like a Tom Billuitt makes sense sense because of how much we pay for,

especially us because how many people we fly with. So it'd be a difference if you're one businessman by yourself. But we fly with a minimum of four or five guys minimum, sometimes more. When you do a private plane, do you have to go through the security thing? You could roll up with your duffle bag full of drugs. No, no, it's a serious question.

I'm gonna seriously answer it. For real? Yes. There's no like, we gotta check your bags in the street. Interesting, I did not know that. No, no, no. Fascinating. Yeah.

What do you think all these big ass rappers do? No wonder. They get their private jet and then they fucking smuggle their fucking drugs across the country. Dude, speaking of drugs, Bill Cosby guilty. What? Guilty. When was that announced?

You ready? Rape drug is. When was this announced? Today. What? Yes. So trip off. Well, he's going to jail.

30 years. What? He could face up to 30 years. Okay. They haven't given him, they haven't sentenced him yet. Which means he'll do five. Whatever. He's 80. And he's 80. He's 80 It's got me like the rest of his life, you know, just do so okay basically

Basically this is a really bad question asked, but I mean you have to you have to think this is a possibility that he takes his life Bro, if you have to go to if he goes to jail. What do you think? Eighties something year old the thing about think about that for a second think about what that would do like to your ego Think about that for a second. Think about what that would do to your ego, being someone as massive as that person is. Your entire life. Not just massive, but love. It believes he is untouched.

That's what I'm saying. And then to be, I don't care being in prison for one year. I would think that you've got to be on High Alert, watch that guy, because. If he goes in prison, they'll put him in a separate area. I can see that. No, but I mean taking his life before he goes in. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's what I think. I think you're that old already and you're like, I mean, that's that, why, this, that would be really tough to get someone like that to go. If it's like five years or more, if it's maybe one year and they figure something, but I doubt it's going to be that. Dude, I was reading the story, dude, and it's, it's crazy. It's crazy. And I mean, apparently he'd give women wine and pills, and then a couple of them or a few of them

woke up with him doing shit to them. Yeah. I mean, how fucked up was that, dude? And how you get away with that for so long, you know, it's just that celebrity. Yeah, how do you get away with that? Everybody loves you so much. It's like, they just like ignore signs that are like right there in front of you. Well, bro, you know how powerful celebrities can be, especially at that level, you know

what I mean? And also, you're putting yourself out there when you put something. So, usually what happens, what, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, did, bro, you know a powerful celebrities can be especially at that level, you know what I mean? And also you're putting yourself out there when you put something so usually what happens what didn't tends to happen How do you what I want to know is how they prove that enough to get him to get him Were they all aspiring actresses or they're trying to like get you know, head Yeah, but they had to think about that just because you the do stuff way to think about this Okay, so I get up You were innocent till proven guilty. And when you've got the kind of money that Bill Cosby has, you've got a fucking legal team that's gonna find every way to get you out of this.

This was a retrial, because the first time they were deadlocked, the journey was deadlocked. So this is another trial because of that one. And this one he lost. Oh, wow. Yeah, but you're right. Yeah, he's got an incredible. So to me, that says that there had to been

some really damning evidence For him to get funny when you have It's a raise when you have multiple women multiple women telling the same kind of story. That's still not enough Yeah, that's still not enough like hard. That's not that's not that's not guilty I mean, that's just because just because 50 people say it doesn't mean shit You they got to have they get to have some some tangible fucking evidence, bro I don't know. I don't know, I don't know the whole case. Videos or recordings of conversations or text messages

or something, I mean, to get him, bro. Oh, I'm sorry, more than 50 women came forward with sexual assaults. Oh my God. More than 50, my bad. More than 50. More than 50 or 50 or more, yeah. A serial asshole.

Yep, yep, he could face up to 30 years in prison. Wow. I mean, at what point is it, at one point is it get crazy and ridiculous like that? Because apparently he got pissed off in the room or whatever, what is it called? Court room. He's like, what guy hasn't tried to get a girl fucked up?

Oh my god. Yeah. Right. Why am I having these? Right, right. Just because I, because more women want me judges like yeah Now you're going now you're gonna get put to death sorry Yeah, I'm gonna stupid comment. Yeah fucking crazy though cuz hit for me

I don't know. I mean our generation we grew up with Cosby was oh man. He's like mr. Rogers. Yes. Yeah He was like so sweet like mr. Rogers. Well didn't he actually, I remember it was Eddie Murphy, I think it was Eddie Murphy. Well, he's sponsored by Jello. He, he's talking about like, he was sponsored by Jello. Because he's sharing, he can't get anymore, like in family household, dude.

Like that's like, he's in everybody's household. He's saying the darnedest things, you know, like he was all about like the father guy. Dude, this just points to how crazy our psychology is when it comes to celebrities. We see someone on TV play this character. He's this great dad on the floor. I don't ever trust any Ned Flanders motherfuckers.

No, you know, like anybody that's like super, you know, but I'm careful with what you're doing. But my point is, my point is we know he's acting. We know he's playing a character, you know, and yet we think, oh, he's such a good guy and it blows our minds because we want to believe that. That's what I'm saying. We don't know him. Nobody a character, you know, and yet we think always such a good guy and it blows our minds Because we want to believe that. That's what I'm saying. We don't know him. Nobody knows him, you know, that's crazy to me That was shocking though. Yeah It's a nice love cause because we show like all that, you know, like he was he was a great comedian Did you ever watch this comedy stand-up shows? They were hilarious. He's great

And he never remember he never costs it at his shows. He was always like, He was great stories. So, okay, so let me ask you this. He was like the anti-Eddie Murphy. So how do you guys, how do you guys feel about him then? Now, just period. What are your thoughts on him? Well, before all of this, I thought he was hilarious.

I thought he was a great comedian, loved him as an actor. I mean, after hearing this, he's a, I mean, if it's true, which the jury thought it was true, he's a fucking scumbag. He's a serial rapist. He's disgusting. He's one of the words, you know,

that's, he's like at the bottom of the bucket of scum or whatever, that's, you know, I mean, think about, if, again, the jury thinks it's true, and if it is true, this is a man that had women in his home and he drug them to fuck with their unconscious bodies. That's terrible. So I'm going to play devil's advocate just because, but imagine the guy's 80 something years old, you said, right, or 70 something.

How old is he? Okay, so let's just say he's okay. And we're talking super famous. Super super famous. Like one of the most famous. Okay, so I mean, I don't know how much you guys followed Charlie Sheen and stuff like that. When Charlie Sheen used to openly talk to playboy

and stuff about all the women that he'd sleep with and so that. And Charlie Sheen was going running through like a thousand women a year, like literally a thousand different women a year he was going through and he knows he's beyond the tens of thousands women. So if someone like that is making that much sexual content, and you say a number like 50 women are coming forward and saying

that he basically fed them alcohol and drug them and so on. I mean how many guys you know are I mean people to talk about all the time about feeding girls alcohol and trying to get them drunk and girls do it to guys too. You know I'm saying you see both sexes do that. I've had that happen to me when I was 21 years old and I had a 30 something year old woman fucking feed me shots all night long and then holding my hand and taking me to the bedroom. So that like that. That shit happens on both sides.

Now she probably does not have the pool, the celebrity pool as he does. Doesn't have thousands of options like me coming to around her all the time. So maybe she doesn't get to that level but somebody like Bill Cosby, who's probably at, you know, through his, you know, his prime and his peak years of fame, was probably going to fucking celebrity parties where people are throwing themselves already at him every single day. And yeah, they threw

some drinks. And he wants some perkestin and you want some, you know, I'm saying like, now, and I'm not saying that that makes him, I'm not like defending him right now, but could it be like, is it that fucking crazy? Well, here's a fact crazy. Here's the thing, he was giving women drugs and then they would wake up and he was doing things to them. And here's the thing with cases like this, that's a good point.

That's taking to another room. Well, I mean, look, everybody, most people have had sex with other drunk people. And when you're drunk, you make different decisions. You just do, that's not a problem. A lot of people have sex while on drugs. In fact, that's one of the reasons why people like to do drugs is that they hit do drugs

and they go have sex. And so they're not in their normal state of mind, but unconscious, that's a whole different. That's, you know what I mean? That's so blank, so obvious. Somebody's unconscious. It's just evil.. That's, you know what I mean? That's so blatant, so obvious. Somebody's unconscious. Just evil. It's like, what else is there?

How, how was you wanted to find it? Yeah, and I don't know, we don't know, I mean, all the stuff in the case. Yeah, I wish I knew details, because that's tough too. That mean, you're talking about all that shit matters. Yeah, it does, because one person can interpret that. Well, that's why I didn't want to,

I didn't want to get on the train of just like, immediately, you know, bastardizing him. I just want to wait till, you know, all unfolds get more information. Anybody that, especially if they're celebrity, because you just know that like, they're just a huge target. They're huge target. And, and, and, and, and, and, that's scary, by the way. All these women that came forward, you got to believe, uh, we're, are getting, get settlement cases out of this. He's going to get nailed huge financially.

Well, if you lost this They would have gone straight to the civil loss Just like with OJ Simpson right right so they're gonna they're gonna get all paid and I do Please so if you were taking advantage of that and raped or anything have to know I a hundred percent agree that you should be But I do know okay, and I mean they in the my buddies that are all in sports they call them cleat chasers Yeah, and you know there's there's grills that are literally just out to try either and pregnant you or get your Cod up and then and because you're already making millions of dollars They'll go away for a half a million because it's no big deal to them and so There's is that that's the thing man. You become a big target

You need to be if you're a celebrity like you be very careful with what you do and who you do it with because you've got a big money sign Yeah above your head and you and you probably would spend a lot of money to make people Be quiet because you're fame or whatever your character what be the per public persona is your business Yeah, you know, so that's just I just I do the math I know how old he is and I say 50 50 women that came forward to that that's two a year over the last 25 years So two parties a year when he was in Hollywood, Hollywood, doing a line of coke and getting crazy and fucked up and hot chick, feed her drinks at crazy, throw her some pills.

Shit, he gets crazy. This younger girl ends up sleeping with this older guy. And then of course, she regrets it later on and says, like, oh, no, that can definitely, I mean, stuff like that can definitely happen. There's so many of them. And remember, the jury, the first time was deadlocked. This time, they were unanimous. They were definitely unanimous

So yeah, I don't know man. It's it's an interesting crazy. It's crazy because it's him But that much money that much power that much access. I mean, I Don't I'm not a big fan of celebrities, you know, it's it's a it's a it's a weird here's a thing too like We hear you hear things like that. You think wouldn't evil monster. I mean, humans are capable of some really fucked up shit. And I can't imagine being in a position where you're that, where people, everybody around you all the time tells you how fucking awesome you are.

You have anything you want. You have all this money, but you don't really need the money because people give you free shit all the time. You're so beloved, you get away with whatever you want. That fucks with your, that could be poison for your psyche, poison for you. Oh yeah, I agree. That's why you see these kids just, you know, they kill themselves or overdose at such young ages when they get famous. It's just, it's not something that I would necessarily, I would definitely wouldn't want that, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. I

don't know, man, crazy. All right, let's talk a little bit about some fitness science because there was something else that I read over the weekend that I thought was really cool. So they identified these, I'm gonna try and pull up the study, immune cells in fat, in brown fat. You guys know the difference between white and brown fat? Yeah, you're only gonna, I mean, this is it, you bring this up right now,

but it hasn't run to Patrick, we've been talking about this for a long time. She's been talking about how cold contrast activates brown fat. But what they're finding is that the immune cells within the brown fat, that's their job. Their job is when you're cold to activate thermogenesis and burn fat to warm you up. Babies have a lot of this, by the way,

so babies are really chubby because they have these little heaters. But this just points to, think about this for a second, we evolved to have this system that turns on when we're cold to warm us up. It's a natural system on our body. How often do we turn that fucking thing on and I'm not really sure what that is.

We've been saying this forever with the whole, I mean, I've told you guys, since we've started Mind Pump, probably the arguably the most game changer thing I ever started to do was the hot cold contrast. I mean, that's been, I used to be someone to get sick all the time. Yeah, all the time. And it's like everything, every technology advancement

we've made to make our lives more convenient and easier. It's like it's biting us in the ass. You know, it's like, I'm sure there's gonna be some study about sleeping with a pillow, you know? How it's fucked up your neck and like, you know, there's gonna be something that comes out, you know, with we try to like make something in our life like more cushion, more comfortable, more soft,

and every time we do that, it's like, the immune system is a learning, it's like a very interactive learning part of our body. It's, you develop a signature. And when you're exposed to things, it changes itself to what you're exposed to. You can strengthen it, it can become resilient, it can become weak because it's not being exposed.

Certain things, this is why autoimmune issues are maintained connected to lack of exposure to other germs and stuff. They call it the, you know it the clean hypothesis or whatever, where people born on farms tend to have lower rates of allergies and asthma and autoimmune issues than kids who live in urban areas or whatever. And again, they think it's exposure to animals and stuff like that. So this is a part of your immune system.

This is a part of your immune system designed to warm you up. And we're not training it. We're literally not training it. So that part of our immune system can become dysfunctional. At best, it stops working really well, but maybe at worst, maybe causing, maybe a cause of disease. And the fact that we evolved to have this switch that turns on through cold tells me that we were exposed to cold a lot. And it's probably something we evolve to require. Like we evolve to require sunlight, or we need certain stressors in our body.

So it's like cold, cold, maybe extremely important part of your life. Like I don't take hot showers anymore. I'll go in hot and I always go cold for at least a minute or two afterwards. Brown fat. Is it leaner, like looking like if you've ever seen a cadaver between like brown fat versus like just regular fat? I think that's just referring to literally the color. Color changes.

But no, brown fat. When you have a lot of brown fat, you have a high thermogenic ability and it's easier for you to burn. Body fat. And here's, you know, there's a lot of people who say you can convert white to brown fat through different methods And this may be right to develop this part of your immune system I mean, I tell you what the Eastern Europeans have been using they've been using cold, you know therapy or whatever you want to call it for a long Fucking time little kids they do the polar bear was it was to call that that polar bear crew that would go swim like you know In freezing water all the time. Yeah, yeah. I mean, little kids, have you seen the videos of the Russian kids who, they're like eight

years old and it's snowing outside. And then for the recess, they go outside and they're bathing suits and they explain the snow and pour water on themselves and shit. That's crazy. I would die if I did that. It's nuts though. I mean, we live in this world where we get in our car and we have the AC. I mean shoot, I catch myself doing this all the time.

I mean, I have the push start thing to the window, right? So in the winter time, I started up before I even get there. So it's nice and warm. My seats are warm when I get inside the car, you know what I'm saying? I leave my house that's 75 degrees tropical, you know, but it's supposed to be freezing outside. I don't know what it's supposed to be freezing outside. You know, I don't know what it's like to be like that. They go into a building that we work at that we keep in a temperature, you know.

That's crazy. No, and you know what it's done for me is learning about this more and more and just understanding the human systems and how they need to be challenged. Not because necessarily it's the challenge, but more so because it strengthens these systems and you need to exercise them, just like you need to exercise your muscles. I mean, you go to the gym and you stress out your muscles, not for the stress, but for the adaptation, because it's good for you.

And if you don't stress your muscles ever, they deteriorate and you lose that function of your body. And so the ability to acclimate, to heat, and to cold, think of it as a muscle. And if you exercise it, it gets stronger, and it gets healthier. If you don't exercise it, it gets stronger, and it gets healthier. If you don't exercise it, it deteriorates and becomes less healthy.

And we know that, you know, what that, what that means. And so anyway, for me at least, understanding that, I've developed a new relationship with cold. So I used to hate fucking jumping a cold water, do cold shower, you're fucking crazy. Like, and now I like embrace it more because I know what it's doing for me. It's totally different now.

Oh, I agree. Totally different, 100%. So another thing that I read over the weekend that I wanted to share, I've been holding on to this. So they did a study on... So the belief used to be that young people grow brain cells, can grow new brain cells. And when you get old, that just stops happening. But what they're finding now is older people's brains can also build new brain cells.

They also have that ability. Now it's not as good as when you're young, but it's still there if you're healthy and you take care of yourself. One of the things that tells the brain to do that is this compound called BDNF. Right, derived. But you got to back up first before you go into the science

of it, what does a study like that even look like to prove that point? Like how do they do that? Like, are you telling me that there's people that are 80 years old that they've just now found that like, oh wow, neurogenesis is still happening. So they research, they autopsy hippocampus parts of the brain from 28 previously healthy individuals aged 14 to 79 who died suddenly So these were all they so they took the brain out and they actually studied and they were looking for newly formed neurons And the state of blood vessels within the entire human hippocampus soon after death and then what they found is that that that there was

Evidence that that there was new brain cells being developed in the old brains and in the young brains, which we kind of thought we kind of lost that ability, or at least that was, you know, what people were saying, although there's a lot of scientists that were speculating that we probably did. Well, I thought, I mean, that's exactly what fasting promotes, right? Isn't that, I mean, that's neurogenesis is the ability to do that. So I would think that even somebody that's healthy and takes care of themselves in their 75 or 80 that implements this,

you know, fasting protocol every once in a while could potentially develop more. Well, one of the best ways to get this to happen is exercise. Exercise causes the release of what I was saying earlier, BDNF, which is this chemical that tells the brain to develop the brain cell. It's like metal band.

BDNF. BDNF. Yeah, so, but exercise is a fantastic way to do that. And of course, exercise, when you're talking about keeping your brain healthy, I don't think there's anything that's been shown to be as effective or alone by itself as exercise and movement for keeping the brain healthy. Very, very strongly connected to having a healthy brain is having a strong body. In fact, they have a study now that they're showing

where they can predict your odds of having, you know, of dying, all cause mortality based on your grip strength. What? I think you brought this up before, and I was like, let's get at the full. Well, because grip strength is a good, like the average person when you measure their grip strength,

it'll tell you better than pretty much anything else and it's easy how generally strong they are. How physical they probably are. Or just how strong they are. Like if they have a weak grip, they're probably not good. They probably can't squat, they probably can't do anything else. Yeah, which means they're probably not very physical people. That's it.

If you have a naturally, a grip means you're probably doing more active physical things. That's it, you have, using your muscular control. Yeah, yeah. Plus, it's an easy test, right? They could just squeeze something instead of having to get people to get up and move and stuff. So it's a test that they're using now,

and they're showing that if you have, like if your grip is weak, as you get older, then it's strongly connected now to just poor everything, poor health, poor mental function, all cause mortality goes up. But really, we know it's just, obviously, it has nothing to do with the grip. It's showing that they're probably more fit.

Right, everything that everyone ever saw. Yeah, kind of interesting stuff, but it's really interesting. It's, to me, it's fascinating, because with exercise, especially with resistance training, the older you get, if you're fit, the older you get, the further you separate yourself from your peers. Like, when you're 25 years old and you're fit, like you work out and you eat, right?

Oh yeah, we've talked about this in the show before. There's not that huge difference between you and average 25 years old. There's a big difference, but not huge. Boy, if you're seven years old and you exercise and you eat, right, and you've been doing so for a long time and you compare that person to the average person of the same age, who doesn't do those things,

that's a huge difference. It's like nine day, you've got someone who needs help all the time. I really started to notice that when we started hit our 30s, when we started hit our 30s. Is that when you saw in your friends? Yeah, that's when I really noticed in just all friends that you're like a tipping point

and then yeah, you really see the visible effects of it. In the 20s, I felt like everybody, even people that were like non fitness or ex athletes or what about that friends of mine, everyone had their like ups and down waves where they would get back and forth and shape at 30, especially if you're married by then or what about it, like almost everybody I know just like that's when they just write it off. So it gets it's it accelerates fast as you get close to 40. Yeah. So I notice the same thing.

So I have, there's nine cousins that we all grew up, we're all running around the same age. And then we all have friends that grew up with us that we know. So we're all like, there's a lot of guys I'm relatively close to who, that we've known each other since we were, you know, babies or maybe kids, right?

And I remember, I've always been the fitness guy. And a few of my cousins have been active and stuff like that, but I've always been the one that's really into, you know, fitness and nutrition. And when we were in our teens and I was doing it, not you can barely tell the difference. By the time we were in our 20s, I mean, the difference was, oh,

Sal's kind of buffed and these guys aren't. That was really the only difference. Once we hit 30, I remember, I'd run and I'd see some of these people, some of my cousins, who I hadn't seen for like three or four months, like there's a wedding right now, right? So there's, and these are my second cousins. So there'd be a wedding going on at show up. And I'd look at him and be like,

holy fuck, does homeboy have a, he's got a belly? Like he's never had a belly. He was skinny. That's so weird. That happened in the 30s. Now that I'm getting in the 40s, oh, it's not that anymore. Now, Abelie is coming, everybody has Abelie, but now what's happening is fucking problems, health problems.

Like, oh, like Homeboy had a panic attack, or this, oh, I pulled my back the it last week because I was trying to pick up a case of water, like my knee hurts all the time, and I'm like, oh shit, this is getting bad. I'm on my back surgery. What? It's starting to get pretty young for that shit. Like my knee hurts all the time and I'm like, oh shit, this is getting bad. Back surgery. Oh, what? It's starting to get pretty young for that shit. I'm actually starting to hear people now, because I'm 30, hold on, I'm now 39, right?

So I'm 39, I'm hearing guys now, which means it's been happening for a little while because it's not something dudes like to tell each other that they're not as like sexual. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're, you know, elephant in the room. Yeah, that's crazy. No, it's happening in a much earlier age than before, too.

And I think a lot of this has to do with, I mean, we talked earlier about how cool it is, all these electric bikes and stuff that's all of the place, but I think we're just becoming fucking, I mean, sedentary, not gonna help us. As fuck, dude.

I mean, we are not moving around with whatever. So the moment you make that switch in your mind, that like, the health and fitness isn't like a priority for me. We're homogenizing, dude. Totally. We're homogenizing. Totally. Like, like the, like, mailness, testosterone,

and strength, and muscle, and all that stuff is, it's just declining. It's just the merging of AI and the whole thing. Are we part of the rebellion? Yeah, exactly. We're gonna be the only one who can resist it. Just to get tell excited when I throw Star Wars turn us. I can't even see this.

I love to do that everyone. This is a serve up of Star Wars turn real quick. Yes, you guys, the Empire. I could have convinced him to make a shirt right after right after that if I wanted to be part of the rebellion Just wait dude the news will be a death reign you guys will be like I'm like, yeah, I knew The first you guys I've been preparing the first time I realized that the that the that's Luke and all those guys were the terrorists I blew my mind. I'm like wait a minute They're the terrorists

Rebellion Wait a minute, they're the terrorists. Right now. Okay, that's right. So rebellion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different. No, no, I think we're homogenizing, dude. I think men are becoming more and more less men, you know? There's a crisis of masculinity going on right now and people think it's, no, they think there's too much masculinity.

I'm not true. It's the opposite. And part of that crisis is absent fathers, men who won't take fucking responsibility. You know how many guys now I know in their 30s and 40s are still like fucking kids, like they're actually kids because they don't have a responsibility. They do what they want, they work a little bit,

whatever, you get all these guys that leave their, you know, they'll get someone pregnant, they'll take off. And of course we got lower testosterone levels, not as a crisis to masculine, and it's fucking crazy. It's throwing things in an interesting how far do you think you're going? Before we swing back. We all, I believe we swing back. I believe we're a swing back.

We'll swing back. We're not literally going to become one. We're going to be all fucking like, like, 10 dolls. Yeah, yeah. It's got to go. Where'd it go? Oh, shit.

That's got to go extreme. And then it will work our way back. So the question is, how far do we go before we make things? Well, what I think is happening, what may happen, is as men become more feminine, and women will become more masculine to meet in the middle, that's exactly what I think is happening, what may happen is as men become more feminine, women will become more masculine to meet in the middle. That's exactly where I think it's gonna start to,

that's exactly, and I don't mean this in the stereotypical way. I mean this in like deeper ways. You've already seen this now for a few generations. For a couple of generations. You've already seen it for a couple generations where you have a sizable chunk of children are being raised without fathers. So the moms are taking on the roles of that kind of...

Yeah, masculine and feminine. And again, it's not being stereotypical here. That can mean a lot of different things, but I think single moms know what I'm talking about, and it's been like that for a little while. So, I don't know, it's kind of interesting. I don't know if it's all part connected or if it's all coincidental. Yeah, I think it's partially coincidental and I think that we're piecing it together

and I think that there's pros and cons to that. And I think that when we start, like always as humans, we press boundaries and we push things and we wait till, oh my God, this is unhealthy or this is bad or this is killing lots of people or whatever it may be and then we start to Address it, but we it's just I think but I also think it's necessary I think these I think it's necessary that there are people pushing boundaries and that's why I don't judge about it

I love to talk about it. I love to have dialogue about these types of conversations, but I don't judge over it like to yeah I still feel like we're all really pressing forward for something. Like, we're all trying to work towards something, like a creation of something, and this being like, you know, the advancements, and we don't want to stop and like work on ourselves. We want to like work towards this thing.

It's like, we're obsessed with like, you know, oh, well, we're in a rush to create, you know, artificial intelligence. We're in a rush to create the nuclear bomb. Like we're always like finding something that we have to like find meaning and purpose through like creation. And we can't like be present and experience. I think that's coming.

I think we'll always be that way. Well, no, it says it's like an addiction we all have. I think it's coming. I think once we get what we think we want, we're going to realize it's not what we want. I mean, once we have everything is super, super, super easy. And AI is doing a lot of hard work for us. And we're plugged in.

And it's like, oh, now we figured out aging and all the stuff. I think at that point, if we're still around, I think humans are going to be like, oh, well, we have everything we thought we wanted, but we're miserable. What's going on here? And then I think people will start to look the different.

Both will exist. And we'll push those boundaries. And I really do. You know, I'm in our own plan. I laugh because it's like that sci-fi story always bring up. We're going to have the people who are connected. Yes.

People are not going to be connected. You can see that. You can see that, right? You can just, and I don't know. They live underground. I don't think they're going to be weird in like war war like but I definitely think that there'll be people that one will never choose the life of being plugged in because they just want to rebuke it since day one and then you'll have the other group that have experienced it and know that it's not all that's cracked up to be

and so then they'll be on the other side and then you'll have those that think that it's been the greatest thing ever for them because you know before 20 years before someone with the amount of money they had wouldn't be able to experience all these things. That's what's happening is everything is becoming so accessible. We were talking about this before and I said, everything we think we want. Right, and the car yesterday we were talking about it and I said, you know how, and I tell Katrina this and I stand by this that we're looking at buying a new car right now

because it's time for us, almost all our vehicles are over 100,000, so we're gonna need one or get one soon. And so I tell her, you know, really think about what you want to drive because this would probably be the last vehicle we drive. Because you're buying. That we buy, right? Because, and I believe that such a trippy statement, but I totally on board. Dude, if it's not this one, the next one. I mean, I don't think you're far off at all. I think it's, I think we're watching it speed up right now in front of us. I mean, I'm already seeing it, like,

if I live downtown, I would not want a car right now. For what? It would be, it would be, these little scooters and bikes all over the place, like that would, Here's what a car provides you with, currently, it provides you with more freedom. In the future, it's gonna be a liability.

It's gonna be a cost, and it's gonna be, Yes, less freedom. Yes, that's a great way to put it. It's gonna be a liability. And's gonna be a cost and it's gonna be, yes, let's free them. Yes, that's the only way to put it, it's gonna be a liability. And people almost mock people that still drug, because it'll be that transition period. We go where you'll be like, what, you spent $100,000 on a car. Can we at least get a drive?

Yeah, I'll drive, listen. I'll drive any car I want for the rest of my life for that price. You know what I'm saying? That kind of money, you're gonna be able to, do you know what the Iron Man suit just to get the word? Just to get that way too far. It's just awesome with that beat. I don't think we'll be flying around in Iron Man suit.

Come on. There's got to be some fun. That's what happens when we give them too much weed. I know. Or forget Star Wars. That's what I get for feet in that way. Now it's brain went all that way. Like, yes, you just want to go there.

Let's go there. This is what's going to happen. Well, I, let's really dive into this. At some point, it'll be, it'll be illegal to drive on most roads. That's 100%. It'll be illegal for you to personally drive on most roads. At some point, it's going to be all automated. And you driving on the road is is gonna be more dangerous than not.

And so there's a difference. It's already getting more and more popular. And I see it all the time with people I know that do have a lot of money to spend and buy like really, really expensive cars that they just drive on the weekends. It's exactly that. They go take it to the track and that's what it'll look like.

I mean, that's why I'll never sell my classic car because I think it'll just continue to go up in value. It'd be so rare, you know what I'm saying? Classic car, I'm gonna have like a four wheel drive truck so that way I can go like mud on some track. There's gonna be a specific track wreck and like, you know, rally my truck on. Oh, I totally lost it.

People who own cars are gonna be very wealthy people. Same kind of people that own horses now. Like if you have money now, if you own horses or if you're a foreign equestrian. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But I mean, think about it this, I've been thinking about this a lot

and I've been trying to think about all the different way, because people don't realize that modern society was based on the car. Like, Americans, particular, was designed to develop around the railroad, changed everything, and then the car changed everything even further, and so everything was designed around the personal ownership of a car.

And when that assembly line, right? With Ford. Yeah, when that era is over, when that's ends because it now costs you $1,000 or $2,000 a year total to go anywhere you want with a car, because you'd have to pay for insurance, pay for gas, it's cheap, it's super accessible. I try to think about all the different things that will change. The easy ones are all the space that's

dedicated to cars, like garages, parking lots, like parking lots at stores and mind locks. But here's how amazing it would be if we would have open roads. Yeah, or bigger, you know, well, you're still gonna have to drive, but you know, let it's not all blocked up. Yeah, I don't know how much that,

I don't know how much all that stuff will change because you're still gonna need the cars to take people around, you just want to be owning them. So those parking lots now will be filled with, those are like a parking garage that you would see downtown now will be owned by a company that has all these cars in there and those cars go out and go pick people up. Here's an interesting thought.

Here's an interesting thought you just made me think of, because yeah, I know I know that, but I don't think that would, I think if you're the mall and you own a parking lot Because you have to I think you're looking at that as new space you can lease the stores or whatever That's my point like it's gonna completely change the landscape of how how how things like but you made me think about something Which is really interesting would it be Marketable or would it be in the markets best interest or in a company's best interest to provide its own

Yes pick pickup service. So now you wanna go shop at fucking Naseas or whatever, instead of paying for a fucking card to come pick you up, they offer free service only to their location. So now you can go shopping and it costs you nothing. And more than you go to restaurants. And where we're going with all that, it's you won't even go, it'll be delivered to you.

Just like every other place. Well, you still wanna go places though. I don't know, that's what's scary. There'll be like showrooms. What's scary about want to go places though. I don't know, that's what's scary. There'll be like showrooms. What's scary about where we're going and why I always keep going by, I know I like a broken record, talk about the steps in the movement,

it's because I'm just so blown away by the lack of movement, we are getting closer and closer to stepping less and moving less and less and everything coming to us. I mean, it's only going to get worse. It's going to get worse before it gets better. I mean, I think we can all agree on that. And if it's, how can it get much, if we're averaging 4,000, how can we get?

Steps? Yeah. How can we get much less worse than that? I mean, that's literally, if you walk and we time to, we talk about this, I mean, that's 30 minutes of straight just walking. So that means you're not even walking 30 minutes an entire day and that's gonna get probably less.

Everybody's on the Segways. Yes, you'll have those little scooters will be parked out outside your house. Well, let me ask you guys this, because it may actually make things better. And I'll, so hear me out. It will in many ways, if you please. Well, hear me out.

I mean, better in a lot of different ways, but maybe even activity. Think about this way. What's one of the worst pain in the asses about driving to a city to check it out or driving to a national park or a place to hike or what's one of the biggest pain in the asses? It's a city.

Parking your car. Now imagine that. So think about that. I was like a fitness bus. Yeah, but think about this way. Like now you can go anywhere because it'll just drop you off on the front. Maybe people will actually move more.

I know. I love driving humans way too much credit. I don love that. You're giving humans way too much credit. I don't know. You're giving humans way too much credit because that's still what people will look at. You know what's happening in the generate? And you know, we know this because we're in the tech world that that's wasted time.

That's waste walking in the dirt. Like why would I walk anywhere? I could push a button, have something come get me and take me there or have it delivered to me. That's more hours I could be working and plugging away on the computer. Why should I eat any food? I'll just drink soy lint.

We live in the society right now that is they're not looking for anymore work. I don't know. Maybe it'll become cool though to start doing some of that stuff. Well, I think there will be there will be. Well, if we had to place our money, you've got the money bet. You got the, the odds and there will be cool kids and there will be, there will always be a book, cool. The definition to me about cool is being an outlier

Is being unique being yourself, and so it will be the people that are like choosing to not be normal and go do those things I think they'll be cool people around that you know You know what else will happen from that is you'll you'll start to see because right now like you see it's there's Expensive property the closer you get to where there's a lot of work the property gets more expensive because people of property, the closer you get to where there's a lot of work, the property gets more expensive because people commute time, right? But when you have self-driving cars, first of all, traffic is dramatically reduced because they all synchronize. Most of traffic is caused from human error.

Number two, you can be productive in the car, so you don't have to worry about anything. I wonder if it's going to spread people out even more because they're all like, oh, I'll buy a house for them. That's what I believe that. I believe that. And that's some of the positive things that are going to come from it. I think that, I mean, I think about this right now,

being somebody whose house shopping is, you know, right now, the biggest thing that keeps us even close to San Jose is. It's a drive, yeah, it's a drive. Is Katrina's got to get up to early in the morning work? But if we, if this is our future in the next 10, 15, 20 years or whatever, well, then yeah, I don't mind being an I'm sure She doesn't mind being an out we both spend enough time on computer and email time that that would be a perfect time to do it is

While I'm waking up having my cup of coffee have my computer in front of me I'm answering all my emails taking care of all my like computer type tasks. It's an excellent time They'll actually enjoy the the commute if I'm not driving and I can be completely mindless. I would love a nice cruise and play in your favorite podcast, play in your favorite podcast, why you work on your computer or your computer or listen to music and chill, whatever. Yeah, so what are we doing?

Like a homeless person gets on the freeway. What do you mean? What do you mean? Like all of a sudden chaos happens. Oh, because the car is in the system, right? And you're stuck in this car that's supposed to be automated. Yeah, I wonder if they'll block the roads off differently or whatever.

That's a good point. Because that's a conundrum too, is where does the car address it? I just feel like there's always gonna be these little interruptions in this perfect utopian, you know, sort of, they're really, it's a society. That's gonna be people like throwing rocks and breaking.

Try to pursue, there's gonna be, well, we'll see it'll be, it'll be slow and fast at the same time, if that makes sense, right? It's, those are gonna be lanes. I'm imagining what I'm imagining is there'll be a lane dedicated to self-driving vehicles and they're gonna start kind of small.

Right now what it looks like right now is bikes and scooters and shit like that in big, in urban areas like cities. Yeah. Like you see that in San Francisco. I just love it now, because it really feels like the Wild West. Well, you see, it feels like the Wild West, though, like the scooter thing, like, you know that they're already cracking down like in San Francisco because they're just like littering

them all over. So they're actually repossessing a lot of them and just taking them. So like, you know, a lot of times I saw businesses hating on it too, which I thought was so stupid. You get a love, you get a love government. But that's what I sometimes hear, like it too, which I thought was so stupid. You got to love, you got to love government. But that's what I'm saying. Sometimes you're like, fuck you man. I love it's kind of, it's a little bit of anarchy, you know? But it's like, it's, it's, it's fun because it lets you kind of just, yeah, I free-dum.

I've been, I've been, I want to do. I've been saying this forever. Technology is the greatest decentralizer of power man has ever seen. And they will, you cannot control it because these scooters are already fucking everywhere and people already love them. So now the city's gonna have a fight. It's like how yeah, it's a race. That's it. Yeah, that's what I love it. Uber figured it out, man. They got there and and and established themselves way before they could do it. Oh, yeah. That that scooter thing to me is so brilliant, man. It on a whole I mean, it's

so cheap. It's so cheap that it's like, you, I would just, it feels like being a kid. You know what I mean? It's just so like, you get on a scooter or what? You get on a scooter or something. I walked, me and Justin jumped on those things at least a couple times now. Just for fun.

Oh, I have, I've already used it. I was walking from Luna and I had to be somewhere, I had to go to, I had a haircare with that and I had to come get back really quick and I was like, fuck, I'm running late. And there's one right there. I had the app on my thing. I hit it and just, whoa, jammed it. I was like, I mean, I just cut my And there was one right there. I had the app on my name. I hit it, just, whoa!

I was like, I mean, I just cut my walk. They would just take me eight minutes or whatever. But it cut down to like one minute. I mean, that saved me enough time. I was on time for my haircut. I was like, that was cool. Dude, can you just say something that just happened? If we were in like junior high

and we had to go to school, I'd go to school every morning. Oh my god. He can't leave. Oh, I'd be honest. We'd be racing. Yeah, someone would die. Someone's gonna die.

That's gonna get in trouble. That's when they'll get in trouble. That one be racing. Yeah, someone would die. Someone's going to die. That'll get in trouble. That's when they'll get in trouble. That one for sure. Because I mean, you're basically like a pedestrian that's moving quick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Surprise, they got away with it. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition. Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested, certified, organic superfoods to help give your Our first question is from Kay Kaylin. What is the best way to work on hamstring and glute ham tie-in? So the glute ham tie-in, that's a, that's a, a bi-builder term.

Yeah, that's like a, that's like a, up to bikini term. Yeah, it's a stage presentation athlete term. It's where the ham school meet. Yeah, I don't know. Well, they think, it's where the glutes and the hamstrings meet. Yes, you know, right underneath the butt cheek

or whatever. And there's, and there's, there's actually, I think we take it and then build a bunch of broscience off of it, but there's some, there's a really good point to be made with this. And one is that I think, and this has been consistent with almost every bikini,

now every bikini competitor that I've coached is always hamstrings and typically shoulders. Always hamstrings, but sometimes shoulders are a major, major focus, even if they have a lagging butt. You can't like overdevelop them almost. No, you can't, because the more developed they become, the more it creates this illusion of this like really curvy round hamstring that tucks underneath

this glute. It'll take a butt that's kind of flat. It folds that butt right here. Yeah, a girl that has a long origin and insertion, so she has a longer butt, and it'll give her the salusion that she has a more bubbly around butt. I think that some guys try and sound smart the way they explain it, and then it just gets bro-scienceed out, but absolutely there is some merit to it.

And when I would train, it was one of the secret weapons for me as far as training. I knew how to approach it too, is I would just, I over the course of training them, I would gradually increase volume in those areas, and start to develop that muscle more than any other muscle we were focusing on their body

and it would really pull their backside. And since that's where bikini competitors are judged heavily on. So it was what will win a show for a bikini competitor is the backside for sure. That's where it's won and lost for. It's, I mean, it's not a body part. You know, the tie-in isn't a body part. It's literally the top of your hands for no. It's a term. It's a body-boat term. It's the bottom of your hands for any of this. It's a term, it's a body-beloved term. And the bottom of your heart, you're in a blue. Yeah, right. I mean, here's the thing.

That junction. Yeah, here's the thing. There's techniques you can definitely do to develop, to put more focus on a muscle. The obvious answer, you know, first thing you do is you just put more focus on it and you do more work for the... What was the question you didn't let me,

really the question you didn't, sorry. Yeah, what's the best way to work on hamstrings and the glute ham tie-ins? Oh, okay. So I think they have underdeveloped hamstrings and the glute ham tie-ins? Okay. So I think they have underdeveloped hamstrings. Okay. So place more focus on it, of course, but what may be happening is you have a poor connection to it, and it's not firing the way you want.

And one of the best ways to get more connected to a muscle is isolation movements, compound movements in this particular situation. You know, if I have a weak activation of my lats or my rhomboids or my quads or any other muscle that is commonly used in these big full gross motor type movements and I have a weak connection to it, I can do all the squats I want.

If I have a bad quad, if I'm not getting good activation of my quads, which is rare, but if that's the case, they're not gonna develop that much and I'll get the other muscles that are involved. So, isolation movements, this is where I would recommend, you know, hamstring curls, and where you really focus on the squeeze at the top of the curl, really connect to the shortened part of that motion. I think pre-exhaust supersets will be great in this case. So, if you like to do lots of lunges and squats and hip thrust,

but you want to really develop your hamstrings, do a super set where you do hamstring curls first, where you really pre-exhaust the hamstrings and then go to the compound. So it's funny that you went this way because I've had actually feel it in the back. I've had a couple girls that I've coached that we had a really, really bad connection to their

post-eartern. Just always quad-squatted, didn't have much glute development, didn't have much hamstrings, and their entire routine with me every single time they squatted, we were always pre-exhausting with either hamstring or glute exercises, whether it be bridges or glute kickbacks or doing things that target the glute meat specifically and then going in there and hitting squats The entire routine so all of that was that just because I wanted them to get connected there first Before they did which we know that squatting could be one of the best things to do to build the hamstring glue Tyon but a lot of people are not activating it properly

Yeah, and this is this is all that this is bodybuilding was them I mean bodybuilding has brought us a lot of wisdom with exercise and resistance training. And you know, some a lot of bad wisdom, but a lot of good wisdom too. And some of the good stuff is this. Like, if you want to study a sport or a resistance training modality that knows how to activate muscle individual muscle groups,

you can't be bodybuilding. You just, you simply can't. They're really fucking good at feeling and connecting to a muscle and this is why isolation movements tend to be popular in bodybuilding or at least why you see them. Look, if you compare a bodybuilding routine to any other type of resistance training routine, and I'm talking about a good bodybuilding routine like when we would design, right? You're gonna see way more isolation movements in the bodybuilding routine in comparison to the other routines because part of bodybuilding is

targeting areas and sculpting and building that specific area to create the solution. Right. And if you're a chick and you just want to squat really good, well you don't give a shit if your hamstrings don't don't have that aesthetic appeal or balance that you want because you're just trying to get good at squatting. But if you're building your body because you want to change how it looks and your hamstrings aren't developing, of course, there's a method in a way to do that. Yeah, you've got to get connected. You've got to get connected to it.

What's his name? Ben Pekolsky. There were two things he said when we were, when we podcasted it with the last time, that was really cool. And one of the things he said was, a weak body part, aesthetically speaking, an underdeveloped body part, almost always has a poor connection in its shortened position. So let me put that more layman's terms.

When muscles contract, they shorten, they pull two points together. So when I flex my bicep, I'm shortening my bicep. I'm taking it from a long position to a short position. If I had poor connection to my bicep, the point of that connection where I'll feel it, the weakest is at the shortened part. So if you're hamstrings, you're having trouble connecting to them or your glutes, focus on connecting to the shortened part of it. So with a hamstring,

that would be like a leg curl at the top. For the glutes, it would be the very top of the hip thrust. One way you can connect to the glutes in a hip thrust is get up to the top of the hip thrust and one way you can connect to the glutes in a hip thrust is get up to the top of the hip thrust so your hips are up but then when you're up there go into a posture your pelvic tilt in other words tuck your tailbone so rather than sticking your butt out kind of tuck it and squeeze your glutes at the top hold that squeeze at the top really fucking hard for like five to 10 seconds for every single rep before you do any other leg exercise and then you'll feel the glutes fire like nothing else. This is why it's almost always been a game changer too

when I take somebody who's trying to develop their calves and they do the short pumping ranges while getting them to do full range of motion of like calves and freeze the top and really concentrate at the top and then bring all the way down and concentrate top, develops their calves like crazy. Yeah. Cut the weight, a quarter of the weight

what they were doing before where they're just kind of bouncing it in this weird little range all the time, which you see all the time, guys getting on seated calf raises and they're going through this little tiny, you know, choppy movement. Yeah, choppy movement with five plates on their rocking. You take that same person, you put one plate on that thing

and then you have them go all the way to the top and squeeze the top and come back down. A lot of them can't even get to the very top. Right. With a little bit of weight. Exactly. And that speaks to what Ben's point was, I 100% agree with that, is just is getting it in that we've went.

It's also why I love training the peck deck and then doing an alternate fly where I keep one squeezed and constant and constant, squeeze why I open up the opposite and I alternate back and forth. It's been one of those great exercises to help not develop the chest because it's not gonna outperform a incline press but get me better connected to my chest. So the incline press is better connected. You get stronger too.

Yeah, and those ranges, which that's the same thing on a performance end. It's like you see people that are performing things in a shortened range of motion, whereas if we can elongate that process, get more of that connectivity, get that response. Oh, the whole movement. Yeah, the whole movement, the entire length of the contractions, it's a game changer. Yeah. So, and then here's the other part of this is frequency, training frequency. So can you work a body part every day? Yep. And I don't think you can work every body part

every day. Well, you could if you really adjusted the intensity, but if there's a particular body part that you want to develop, work that body part every single day. Now, adjust your intensity. That means that you're probably going to have three, you know, between two to four, I would say, depending on if you were a beginner or if you're advanced, two to four harder workouts a week, but then every other day you work out as well, you just go in there and get a good pump and focus on the squeeze like we're talking. You can definitely, I did this early on when I first started lifting weights.

So when I first started working out as a kid, the body part I was most self conscious over were my shoulders. I had because I was narrow. I don't have a wide bone structure and people would poke fun at me. So the one body part I worked every single day were my delts and I did side ladders

and front ladders and real ladders. And my delts now as one of my strongest body parts and they just responded as a result of that. And you could do that with anybody. Well, I just wanna point out too that I know that we just completely answered this question and some of that, but this is exactly why and how maps black is designed and built.

It's designed to pick one to two muscles and that you need to focus on because they're lagging. So hamstring and glute would be this girl who's asking this question right now. You would implement that into the program. That's what's cool about the program is it's customizable based off of what you're lagging body parts of.

That's how we designed it. That's what's so cool about it. Is if you're somebody who is chasing any sort of aesthetics and you wanna develop a specific part of your body that you think is lagging in comparison to the rest, that program was written for that to teach you how does somebody program that and do that effectively so that they actually see tangible results

in their body over the course of three, or four to three months. And I thought of this often times because all the programs change your body. All of them get you more fit, all of them get you look better. But Maps aesthetic is different in the sense that you have the control in terms of, imagine if you have a little avatar of yourself on a computer

and you can change individual body parts. So you can make it look a particular way. You wouldn't just necessarily develop every body part, especially if you're at a balance. You would develop the parts that were weaker in comparison to the others a little more. So you have this symmetrical aesthetic. That's where aesthetics come from, from that balance.

And maps aesthetic gives you more of that control than other programs, because you pick for yourself, specifically what you want to work on. And in this particular case right here, I would pick glutes and hamstrings, but I would also remember to connect to the muscle, getting that shortened position. And here's what's going to happen. I guarantee you this. What's going to happen to you? You're going to get in the shortened position and you're going to be like, I don't know if I feel my glutes. I'm trying to feel my glutes. I can't feel my glutes. And that'll be your, that'll, that's how you'll know, oh,

shit, my connection isn't that good. So focus on the shortened part of the, of the, the rap or the part where you're most contracted and then try to connect and squeeze to that and do that at the beginning of workout. Pro, I can't believe that Justin let you use his fucking Star Wars shaker cup that you just got. Thanks, bro. Dude, I just got that. I can't believe you're all saying that. I'm just saying that to him. This guy just helps himself to it.

Well, you know what? I've been, I've been given him a organified protein. He brought the organified protein. Justin ain't drinking that. Is he drinking that? Everybody. Yeah, I get on it. Well, you know what? I've been given a more gamified protein. He brought their gamified protein. Just any drink that is he is he drinking that everybody? Yeah, I get on it, but not as I mean, you're the one that brought it so. Yeah, no, you know, it's it's the product I used to least out of all the right now. Yeah, do you? You used to use the vegan and I didn't mind the taste of it at all. Oh,

it's the best vegan protein ever had. He definitely tells different ways. No, no, it's, it's the best tasting vegan. Vegan proteins are normally disgusting. But I, I, how often do I use it? Not super often because my, my diet's usually pretty good, but I bring, I'll bring it sometimes on our traveling because we miss meals so much. And lately, my training has been really, really, really hard. And I just, I've just broken, I recognize that my protein requirements, if I want to maintain this level of training, are a little bit higher.

And so we're working all day long. And so I'll throw in one of these shakes I'd say every day or every other day. And I mean, I have digestive issues and gut issues and it's like good, feels fine. No, it's definitely the best vegan protein that I've ever had, for sure. But it's easier.

The one thing I've been taking consists of. Easier on my stomach for sure. No, the one thing I've been taking consists easier on my stomach, for sure. No, the one thing I've been taking a lot of lately, I've been telling you guys, this is probably the third episode where I mentioned the turmeric, that I've been taking consistently now because I've noticed just a mark, just a huge benefit in my inflammation. I have ever since you said something, so I've been, so I'll give you my feedback or I've been doing it for a while.

See if it affects your Achilles or whatever. Yeah, it's helping with inflammation for sure. And I definitely notice that, but it's still early on for me to see before I get like too excited. Next question is from JWP2014. What is the optimal time for someone to get on gear? I've heard to stay natural for as long as possible, for example, not starting in your early 20s.

Is this true? Will it affect your key levels more later down the road if you start sooner or does it not matter? Oh, it matters. So I've heard the case. I've heard people make the case for gear. For younger or older. I've heard both. Really? You've heard it for younger? Yes, I've heard both. I've never heard that argument. So at risk of encouraging people to get on gear, first off, after you hear what I'm about to say, wait until we're done with this conversation because there's a lot more to this than what I'm about to say.

But the argument for going on gear in your late teens, early 20s, and whatever is that when you're at them at those ages, when you're building this huge foundation, it could place you in a situation where you have more muscle hyperplasia. It could encourage hyperplasia of muscle fiber cells. So muscle fibers, the way they grow is through hypertrophy, where they, they themselves enlarge. But muscles, muscle fibers may actually also split and turn into new muscle fibers. Now how, you know, and I know this happens. We've studied this, we've seen this, but how common would you think that is? Isn't, wouldn't you say that that's something that rarely happens and there's, that is not?

No, I think it happens. I think, oh, you think it's a more common thing. Yeah, I think it happens. I think it, but I think hypertrophy happens faster. I mean, I feel like I've experienced it, but I've also taken testosterone and I've, because I know that like, where I'm at training, dieting, wiser for that, in the past,

I would shrink down to a certain size where, now you hold on to more. Yeah, now I hold on to more muscle mass exercises. Let's talk about the accelerated detriment at that point if you start that early. Is there more likelihood that oh Yeah, I'll get there for sure. Oh yeah Yeah, no, but what happens Justin's like I don't

be selling this shit no no cuz what what so hyperplasia muscle fibers split turn into new muscle fibers and then if you ever stop working out You don't lose those extra muscle fibers, right? So that may be one of the potential benefits What are the negatives? Well, you're exposing yourself to high androgen levels for long periods of time those extra muscle fibers, right? So that may be one of the potential benefits. What are the negatives? Well, you're exposing yourself to high androgen levels for long periods of time during your youth. So you're risk of issues with that are much higher. And here's the thing that I think for sure,

if you want to fuck up your testosterone levels forever, do them for a while when you're young because that almost always seems to be the case. And that sucks. Let me tell you something right now. If you're a kid and you're listening right now and you're thinking like, I don't give a fuck. I'll be on testosterone for the rest of my life.

Really? You really want to inject yourself every week for the rest of your life. You want to travel with syringes and fucking vials of a hormone? And by the way, testosterone, when you take testosterone, it's not ideal because testosterone in a natural body naturally fluctuates Yeah, when you take testosterone even if you take replacement doses as a dose is you may have to deal with side effects like

Guy in a comastia you may have to deal with you know prostate enlargement Which you may not have dealt with if you had normal Fluctuating testosterone levels you deal with changes in the brain and all kinds of, I mean, you're, remember hormones are signals telling the body to do something and if you, you take testosterone in your early 20s and you take them for four or five years, I don't know, man, I don't know very many people who did that who aren't now somehow screwed a little bit with their hormones. Most people are. Yeah, but I think a lot of that is because of the psychological piece, right?

I think a lot of people turn that direction and then end up getting addicted to, you know, which is funny too, because I think there's as much addiction in steroids as there isn't any other drug out there even though we've proven how can you not get addicted to that? But what's crazy is that they, you know, we've said it's okay because there's no addictive properties to the actual chemical itself. I think there is. You know, it's funny. I know they say that, and I've, I've, I've got that, but here's a deal. Do you get withdrawal from going off testosterone? Yeah.

Yeah. Your, your, your body stopped making testosterone. So you go off, now you're in the super low testosterone late, you know, state. That's a type of withdrawal, I would say. Maybe not the same as like when you go off heroin or whatever, but how did it feel going on? It's a strong response.

Yeah, somebody who's experienced both, I think, I think you very much so can relate the two of them. They're different, but they definitely both feel fucking miserable. I think that testosterone was just worse because it lasts longer. How long does it take to get off of, you know, well, when I was taking Vicodin and I came off pills, I mean, it took a while to wing off completely, so just like with testosterone, so it's not a quick process. It's not like, oh, you just stopped taking it.

And then, because the body, I mean, opiates are produced in your body, so naturally, that gets shut down completely. That's responsible for happiness and joy, uplifting. And so, imagine that being shut down completely inside of you. I mean, that's awful, right? So they both have their own, and then with testosterone,

I mean, that's your sex drive, that's your driver for your libido and stuff like that. And we all know how important that is to health and wellness and energy. And energy and confidence. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, they're equally awful to have, and then to be done with.

I don't know, man, I look at it like this. Like, you're in your 20s and you're you're a dude in your 20s and you really want to Change your physique and you want to change because I just want motivates you to take steroids Let's be honest if you're if you're a kid in your 20s You want to take steroids you're not doing it because you have a passion for fitness and health You're doing it because you're trying to get laid. Yeah, you want to look good Yeah, you want to look good. you want to build muscle, you probably insecure.

Now, on that point, this is the reason why, because it's really hard for me to answer that question when I'm somebody who has, right? Is I tell them, do yourself this favor, put yourself in the most amazing shape you could ever possibly do in your life, naturally. Do that first. I think you'd be surprised. Yeah, they are. They always are.

That's the thing. And what they're looking for, what most people are when they're asking that question is they're looking for the shortcut. And so what you need to do is you need to say, okay, I need to prove to myself that because what doesn't change here, what steroids does do is it does. It allows people to get away with poor dieting and poor program. More so than not. Yeah, more so. You could still it's still not magic. Yeah, they're still not magical. And you could still get pretty, and that's where people are disappointed is because

they definitely get on, they feel it, they're body, they get in the best shape of your life, but it's still not the shape they've thought they're gonna get in. And that's because they're still missing the programming, the nutrition piece down. They don't have that. Or the training is even shitty. That's what I mean, they're programming.

They're programming shit or nutrition. I know more people, I've known more people get on gear and look like shit than people who got on gear and looked amazing. Yeah, oh, I do too. Yeah, I do too. I had a friend, you know, when I was down in Palm Springs or Palm Desert, I had it, you know,

when I worked down there years ago, so I was 21. A friend of mine who worked for me, he was on more gear than, he was probably taking close to what, like, a competitive bodybuilder was taking no joke because there was Mexico was right there They'd go down to Mexico. They travel down there They'd buy all this testosterone and anodrol and deball and this guy was taking grams of stuff a week His training was shit and his diet was shit and he looked terrible

He did not look good and he kept thinking this gears, you know, not working or whatever and know it's the same Gear that this other guy over here took who's on good diet and knows what he's doing. He looks totally different Yeah, all he did was lose his hair and get Gino as a result from it And did he get bigger? Yeah, but he looked like a big puffy. Yeah, like it did not look good That's what's more common and so I think that's why it's important that you tell you teach yourself because if you can't get in You're in the best shape of your life naturally, you won't get in the best shape that you think you're gonna get from testosterone. 100% if you inject synthetic testosterone in you,

you'll see your bench go up, you'll see your squat go up, you'll be thicker, you'll fill out your shirts more. Absolutely all those things. You're gonna start holding a bunch of water, retaining all that shit. You're gonna be eating more because your metabolism's getting kicked up. So you're gonna see a difference from it. But the moment you get off, you lose all of that shit

because it was all artificially induced. You got away with a lot of shit that you couldn't get away with. And so then you're back to either, now you have to make the decision. I'm going to have to be on steroids forever just to look like this a little bit better than average guy, or I need to do some work on really learning about how to program and how to train my body correctly, how to eat correctly to do that. So prove to yourself that first. And then ask why? Why do you want to do it? Because now you've gotten yourself in the best shape of your life naturally. And at that point, you still are thinking, hey, I want to be a pro and be a body builder one day. Who am I to say? It's your body. Right, it's your body.

And absolutely, if you want to be a pro body builder one day, you're going to have to take. And here's one of the biggest problems with steroids is that when you take them, you never really learn, what really works for your body. Because the steroids tend to do some of the work for you to get away with a lot. And so I know a lot of guys who they'll be on gear,

they'll work out, they'll respond, they'll go off gear. And they're not getting good results. And then what I'll do is I'll change'll work out, they'll respond, they'll go off gear, and they're not getting good results. And then what I'll do is I'll change their workout routine, change their programming, and then their body stops start responding again, even though they're not on the gear. And it's because they never really learned what worked for their body. They never really understood how to apply frequency properly or intensity properly, because all they know is their body, how it responds with these high testosterone levels.

Here's the other thing too, okay? I think a male in their 20s is a terrible time to take antibiotics, because that is a horrible time to just blow up your ego. You're already a fucking ego maniac. You've already got all this testosterone. You think you're the shit anyway. I don't need sleep, I could drink,

I could fucking do whatever I want. You're gonna throw some gasoline on that fire? You're gonna, it's good. That's a good point. And I'll tell you something. Hey, hey, think about all the dudes We knew in the 20s doing gear. Yeah, what did it do to them? It just turned them into bigger fucking ego Mania. Yeah, that's that's where you get the stereotype of it. So I don't yeah, I don't recommend it If I think if you did everything right naturally, I think most people there's definitely people out there who've just got terrible You know their bodies don't respond, but it's less than you think most people, there's definitely people out there who just got terrible, you know, their bodies don't respond But it's less than you think most people you would be shocked

You'd be shocked if you got just a six pack because if you get lean you're gonna get a six pack Yeah A little bit of muscle definition you don't need to get that that big take your shirt off at a fucking party and see what happens Right You'll get plenty of attention. You don't need to take any any, you know, illegal Anabolic steroids Right and plus you'll now have the tools that if you really are going to do this crazy and serious and get into steroids and do all Some of that that you're gonna end up looking the way that you were wanting to look like and why you started taking that because you've probably started

Taking it because you wanted to look like somebody on the cover of a magazine. You're not gonna get awesome right away from it. There's no magic No, no, no, no. It's the same thing with sports too like you know a lot of guys that I found out later were on steroids Like that were you know on the bench and it's like you're, a lot of guys that I found out later were on steroids, like that were, you know, on the bench and it's like, you're still on the fucking bench. You know, you haven't learned the skills and the hard work and the discipline and, you know, the practice and the time it takes to be good, to be great, you know, all that.

Well, you have to put in real work, it doesn't matter. That's just, obviously that's an advantage, but not only when you're good already. Well, you've got to really ask yourself too, like how knowledgeable you are in those areas, because I'll tell you right now, I thought I was. I mean, I was a trainer when I started too. I was in my, I was what, 22, 23-ish when I, they took my first cycle. And at that time, I didn't, I didn't. You're not a fucking chemist, dude. And at that time, I'm, you know, already through three years of personal training. I've got multiple national certification

as trained lots of clients. So I think I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to programming and eating correctly. So even in my head, I thought that I was ready for steroids where I'm gonna take that, and that's what was, because at that time in my life, I really believed that that was the difference between me looking the way I looked

and then me getting to the magazine. I just assumed that all those guys have to be. They've got to be on steroids to look like that. Everyone tells me that. I hear that. I that's where it's it's got to be. And that's why I don't look that way because I already train hard. I already eat good. That's all I'm missing is that. And then when I took it and then realized, oh shit, that wasn't the answer. It wasn't the answer at all. The good thing about that was you didn't do what a lot of guys do is they think, oh, I just not taking enough. Right. Because that's what ends up happening what a lot of guys do was they think, oh, I just not taking enough. Right.

Because that's what ends up happening. A lot of guys, well, I guess I'm not taking enough. I need to keep taking more. And let's also talk about this for a second. If you're gonna get on anabolic, you're gonna get them from the black market. The black market. Yeah.

You don't know where it's coming from. There's a lot of issues associated with anabolic that aren't necessarily even with the steroids. Like scar tissue in your body. People can get abscesses, you got to buy syringes, you got to deal with all that bullshit, like, I don't know. I mean, way it all out, be smart about it. And if you want to do it, it's definitely your body. But I have, I have yet to see anybody do this, do it in their 20s and later on, say,

well, that's probably, I probably would have been better off in the head I not done that. Yeah. Right. Next question is from Vincent Trong. What are your speculations on the human lifespan if all aspects of human health and wellness are optimized? That's a very interesting question. It is because do you believe that we have the capability to live like

one 65? I think with technology, we may be able to. I don't think naturally. Now, I think if you're really, really healthy, because there's some science on this, and it's obviously, and you can be exact with this. Well, like accelerated regeneration of cells and that kind of thing, like where we start to learn

that part. You know, so I think there's a time limit on the human body, right? Natural time limit. Well, that's what we were talking about last night with Michael, and we were all hanging out with, was that, you know, some people believe that there's this exagress, so many breast and so many heartbeats that you'll have in a lifetime.

I think there's definitely this natural time limit. I think, you know, a lot of times we don't reach that time limit because we die from, you know, not taking care of ourselves or whatever. But science is pretty, the studies have been done and they've shown that if you take care of yourself, if you're fit and healthy and all that stuff, you'll live 10 years longer than your genetics have determined that you'd live. So if you're supposed to live till you were 80, if you know 80 is your, you know, maybe you can live

make it to 90 or something like that. There's a definitely genetic component for people who make it to 100 and older. And that's partially genetic, and that's partially lifestyle. But I don't know, let me ask you guys, the better question is that, because I think technology's gonna come out with ways of slowing down the aging process

of replacing your organs and doing all that stuff. Let me ask you a question, how long would you wanna live? I would love to live as long as we could. What if that's 500 years? I would do it, I would be down. Would you download your kind of years? I will do it. I would be down. I like would you download your consciousness? I would. I think I think I would. I here's a thing. I think the Adam right now

thinks that's a good idea. Maybe no idea. Of course. Yeah. Maybe when I'm 90 you might but then I'll just then I'll stop trying the this day alive. I guess at that point. I mean, I think we have, I think we have so much in this life, I think that it's constantly evolving and changing. Look at our short, almost 40 years of our life, what we've seen in change and how cool that has been to watch that change. I don't think that'll ever, I don't think that will ever change. I think as we're getting ready to go out,

I hope that I'm that 80 or 90 or 100 year old, who is still up on up with coming and what's happening with the world and stuff like that. I think that's neat. I think I'll wanna live and be a part of as many generations as I possibly can if I can take care of myself. I don't know if the only thing I can judge it based off of

is how my 15 year old self or my 20 year old self would answer how I thought my 39 year old self would be or what I would like Or what I'd want to do and I'd be off. I'd be way off So I don't know I think now it sounds awesome But humans have I mean we've never lived these super crazy long lives I just it's on how cynical you are. I mean do you I mean I could also I could see us being on a rocking chair at 90 years Old too just shaking our head being like oh It's I'm so set up with the rest of the world

because they're all young-minded and they have so much to grow and learn and like, I'm out of here. Like, I could see that. Maybe. I don't see even 90s even within. Like, you could live to a thousand. Yeah, like, what if you made it to like five hundred, six hundred?

Yeah, like, like, how much that might fuck up your psychology because we've never done that before. Nobody knows the answer. Yeah, but yeah, but it's not going to we're not going to go from where we're at right now. It's all said 500. We're going to watch this number creep up over time. I think we're going to start seeing, you know, the 120s. Because what's it at now?

70, 90, 90, 90, 90. Well, it depends on if the quality matches, you know, it'll be, it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll naturally move with it. It'll be a moving graph, right? So if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're used it'll be, it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll naturally move with it. It'll be a moving graph, right? So if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're used for that long, right now, the average person only lives to what a 70 something or whatever, I think it's a 79 in the US. I believe it. I don't know what it is.

79, so, so say 79. And so once that moves up to, you know, 99, the people that are living in their 70s now will be living a better quality life because that's the only way you can in order to live 90 so it'll all naturally go up, which I think is all great And I think it'll be great to be at that age where I think you'll the same thought process when we're probably a hundred and You know 120's a possibility may be ready. Here's the deal. You are a growth-minded individual so am I So if I'm gonna live to 150 I probably going to go back to school at some point or I have different careers. How crazy is that?

A lot of people are like, I'm 70, I want to retire and not work anymore. Why do I have to work? Or I'm born or I'm on my own. Yeah, but I think that's also a problem with our culture right now. Is that exact thought process? Is that we are all working towards this retirement thing. We're all working towards the wrong thing. When in reality, when we have already

the studies in front of us to prove that as soon as you retire, like the death rate starts to increase dramatically because you lost your purpose in life. And you only lost your purpose in life because you had the wrong purpose the entire time. You were following the wrong path for 60 years and you finally retired and realized,

holy shit, how has fallen the wrong thing? And now death is knocking at your door. Why I just feel like we're gonna approach work development. We keep finding how perishable we are, no matter what we try to do, as far as our organic body is concerned. That's why I keep thinking, this virtual reality thing where I'm immersing myself,

just in my own mind, I'm constructing this environment, like how that's gonna become a thing even more without the need of the body being awesome anymore. Yeah, I think the average person, if I'm not mistaken, if they take care of themselves and their health and they do really well, I think the average person should be able to make it to,

and I can't remember where I read this, but it was like 90, was right, right? Like they don't get any accidents and I don't have any major genetic issues, but it was like 90, was right, right? They don't get any accidents, they don't have any major genetic issues. They should make it till about 90. But yeah, it poses a lot of different questions living a long time. I mean, are people gonna want to change that much?

Get married. Yeah, I mean, for a thousand years. Who exactly? Whoa! Yeah. Yeah, how many lifetimes would you like, how many normal lifetimes would you like to be born? I said this like 400 episodes ago.

I said this like 400, 500 episodes ago. And you watched the future. You're talking about the least. Yes. Everybody, marriage shouldn't be the way marriage is running. Every 10 years you got to go check in. I don't see why, and I know some people get all but hurt when I said that, but I mean, it's like,

it doesn't even conflict with like people's religious beliefs. I mean, you could just say, hey, I'm gonna be married to this person. I mean, people are, well, you made it into a be married to this person. And I mean, people are, well, you made it into a law anyway. By bringing the government right. So I think we owe it to each other that every five years we look at each other

and have that honest conversation like, block five years? Hey, sure. Yeah. It's really not though. You know what I mean, people we get divorced. I would, you know, what's the divorce rate within the first five years?

I bet it's the highest within the first five years. Yeah, that's why I threw a number out like that because it's it's early on It's not if you made it 10 years most people are like sticking with the motherfucker It's a contract to automatically terminate the less you unless you react. Yes, exactly. You should have it defaults to And that's what I mean. That's what I mean by is that we're coming up in our 10 year Renewal. Yeah, you might want to restructure it too, right? And you know how many marriages would that save, right? You have that conversation like, hey, are these betrayers?

You know what? Are marriage licenses up up in a month? You want to go down this week? Well, you know, stop saying that, dude, you know what? You're selling that and the government will jump on that because then you get a pay to re license all the time. What a great way for them to bid. It's good to have your marriage renewal fee. You want to stay married? And if you opt out it's cheaper, if you break contracts in between, it's more expensive and worse and more damaging for you.

I just think it makes more and more sense to me. I don't know, man. And people that are already married have been married for 20 years, like why would you be so anti that? Like just because if you're truly in love and you want that partner for us your life, why is it such a big deal every five years

to say like, fuck yeah, it's a little bit of accountability, right? It's just like, I have my shit together, like, yes! Like, I scramble for papers. Yeah. I'll tell you what. I did a gild of the gym this week. Oh, fuck, bro.

I'll tell you what, man. Just gonna come at me for this. I don't know about you guys, but I'm thoroughly enjoying, you know, getting older. I'm not old, right? But I thoroughly enjoy getting older, and I don older and I don't dread any of it. Like I don't look forward and think, oh man, I don't want to turn. Dude, being finite, I mean, that's a beautiful thing.

That's why it's like, it's tough to be like, oh, we're a little forever. You know, it's just like, actually, that's a brilliant point, like think about it. How much value does something have when you can have as much of it as you want? Not a lot, right. How much value does your life have

when you know it's gonna end versus, oh, I'll just live forever? That might actually encourage, see, that's the psychological part I'm talking about. Humans have never lived fucking super long- Well, and that's why I say, I'm envisioning because in our lifetime, I don't think we're, for sure,

I don't think we're gonna find five, deal to live 500 years. I think it's possible in our lifetime that we may figure out the technology to push 1.20, 1.30, 1.50. So I'm not thinking like that. That's a whole different. I have a whole different answer for you if you say what if you Never died. Well, that'd be a different situation because you're right because then it is a big deal But absolutely could I squeeze out if I had the opportunity to squeeze out 20 more years? Fuck yeah Fuck yeah by making better choices

We'll mostly live the thousands. Or doing what Ben Greenfield does by sticking coffee at my ass. Like I mean, if that can, if I find out that squeeze is 10 more years, that works, I'm definitely gonna put that on Facebook. Right, right. If Vinny lives 10 more years than me because of that,

I'm gonna be upset. Why coffee? You know what, here's the thing, I don't know anything about the coffee animals that I see a lot of these guys doing. Yeah, what's the deal with that? Why coffee? Who's the one that looked at coffee? I was like, you know what we're gonna ask been It's a brown fluid. We're hanging out with them on Monday

And that is for sure I want to talk to you. We're gonna dive deep into that. Yeah, yeah That's all about the cops on him to do it though. Yeah, yeah, because I feel like I heard you know coffee animals that he's doing and his dick Stim cell thing I want to get into because we haven't got into that stuff with him that he's doing and his dick stem cell thing I want to get into because we haven't got into that stuff with him and dick sticking and I really believe this and I we have a lot of dick and large we haven't gone deep on this conversation With Ben and I'd like to make the commitment of doing that because he does strike me as somebody who is he's so Narotic about all that stuff that there could be like this deeper thing of fear of death and wanting to live forever. All those biohackers are. All those biohackers are afraid of death.

Right, well, we've never pushed Ben there a little bit. I kind of want to push him there a little bit. Yeah, that's kind of religious though. He's an even religious too. Yeah, he's religious. I think he looks, he's fired. He's fired, what is that? What is that?

He's fired proof. Why does that change anything? Well, I don't know. Maybe he thinks it's a great, you know, it's, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to ask about the coffee and his butt. And it makes me, I'll tell you what, we're wearing the car earlier and you guys were talking

about how coffee makes you guys poop in the morning. Yeah. Imagine if it goes straight up into that area. What? Is that like instant, like, poo-boo? Whoa. Yeah. It's definitely instant with the blown.

It's the fast. We will go there. Hey, what was the original question? How did we get here? I don't know. Oh, Vince, you know what Vince said? That's a good question, Vince. I knew that would take everybody off the...

That should definitely be a new thing. Pass blown. Pass blown. It's just like an emoji. Oh shit. Next question, Doug. Oh wow. All right, our next question is from Johnny Dumbbells.

Hey, Johnny D Johnny dumbbells. Hey How much money would it take for you guys to sell out? What way hello repeat that sorry just how much money would it take for you guys to sell out? He should have put this an offer Yeah, you should have put though in there because I know like everyone's gonna opt out of that right I think you should have put like you have to sell up like you have to sell who you Satan I'm gonna make I'm gonna make Adam and Justin very happy by saying if something that's gonna make you guys laugh for us off but man cannot live on bread alone right that saying what does that mean right? I do you guys would love that so no so you know I was watching a talk

And they were and they were breaking that down and what that, what the, what lessons. Hey dude, that's my favorite. Yes, that's it. So you know what that actually means, is that actually means that you can't, you can't like money, like you can't live on just money alone. So when you sell yourself out, like what use is that money

gonna be? I mean, you have all the money in the world, but if you're not, Well, I could argue that you could take that and do something else with it. I mean, you have all the money in the world, but if you're not, I could argue that you could take that and do something else with it. I mean, yeah, but if you truly sell yourself out, well, okay, so yeah,

now I have to get that deep on it. I think he's looking for a number like, wait, if someone came in and said, all right, Sal, you're gonna be pushing supplements and we know these supplements don't give people much results, but we're gonna, because my pump is so much,

it looks like, so much influence, here's the dollar amount, what's your number to sell your soul? Well, I mean what's the terms? I mean like it always matters to me here terms come up with it like what would it what would selling out? I could tell you guys. I could tell you okay. Here's the question. Are you just damaging your own reputation? Right or are you hurting people and ripping people off?

Let's take this tough. The easiest selling out, because we could be considered sell out without hurting people, too. So just going against, kind of showing you like ruining your reputation, basically. Right, exactly. You would ruin your reputation. If you're a sell out, you're gonna ruin your reputation.

It's like when rock bands from the 70s would sell their songs to like commercials. You see it on. Which I don't know. I think I potentially might have a number. I can tell you. I can't happen. I'm just being real right.

Oh, like a rock. I can tell you Bob Seager. It would take a lot. It would take a lot because. GM Adam, he's interested in your offer. Well, well, you first have to, I believe that we can have incredible integrity and I believe that we are capable and on our way of building a $50 to $100 million company. So somebody offering me just $100 million, which would be typically what the company should

be making every year, wouldn't be enough for me to sell out. So it would have to be a change my generations of families, lives forever. And so that type of money, you could hate me and call me a sell-up for the next 80 years that I'm alive, but I know that my children's children are taking care of me. So here's what's happening right now. So let me just explain what happened right now.

So Adam, Adam, Adam has a lot of integrity, it's true. So in order for him to justify selling out, he's thinking about all the people he can help him, becoming the martyr. And I get that, I get that. And you know, if I'm helping other people, and I don't mind doing that either. Right. But so that's why it's like, what do they mean by sell out? Well, it truly said that I could never sell it hurt somebody. That's what I'm saying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no or a self-sac question. I think I love that question, and I love trying to answer it because I think that we are faced with that. And I think we have to think about that because there will become a point, and there already has become points.

We've already experienced this in this right now. And we've laughed at it now because it's not a big number. People say things that is just like, who cares? That's not a big deal. We'll be making that much money by next year. You know what I'm saying? So we don't even, we don't sweat it. But what if someone did offer a number

that literally sets up the next two generations plus of your blood, man? That's a hard, next generation Pepsi. What did they offer? And if it, if, right, no, it's a new generation. No, no, really, really, let's use something. That's the old model. That would be considered selling out.

If we started pedaling fucking Pepsi, that would be considering selling out. And so, and I really really because you like Pepsi too Well, so exactly I would be willing to do it and be everyone Hate me forever knowing that I am able to set up all of that would be a big number Yeah, Britney Spears got some Pepsi money. Yeah, I mean that's money. So like you like a shitty supplement company That's like what about that like a shitty supplement if. Like what about that? Like a shitty supplement. If they could afford me, yeah.

It doesn't matter what, what, what, it would have to be that insane amount. Yeah, it's the number. That's what matters to me. It's not the company. Because then you're thinking about what? If I'm selling out, I'm selling out. That's how, as long as I'm not hurting somebody like you guys,

I think it's a very fair question you ask, but if I'm selling out, I'm selling out. See, I would feel like I'm hating everywhere. I go possibly spit on, possibly people started, that all suck. But if I knew that I would, I would do a lot'm hating it everywhere. I go possibly spit on, possibly people started, that are all suck. But if I knew that what I was doing, you're helping a lot of people. Oh man, if I knew what I could do for it.

Yeah, that's different. Yeah, that's a tough one. That's a very, that's a very, that's why I like the question. Yeah, that's a tough one. I mean, so I wouldn't be able to sell a product that was ripping people off, because then I'd be hurting people.

So I feel like I was hurting someone. So it would depend on what you mean by selling out. The, what I would do is I would just offer to sell the company and then I'd be done do what you want with the company then. You know, it would be tough for me to do. Well, that could be considered selling out too. So you could say that. So you could say that. I think along the same lines, you know, I tried to consider that. I'm thinking, I am thinking that way. Like the number I'm thinking, no one's going to pay us a hundred million plus dollars to just push a product. They're gonna want the company.

So yeah, what it would cost to sell the company. I wouldn't have a problem selling the company if it was something that wasn't, it did feel like it was part of my purpose or it wasn't fulfilling me anymore. I mean, that would be the goal anyway. Once I reached that point, I would be like, well, I don't wanna do this.

Well, we built it with the intention of that possibility, right? We built it with knowing that maybe in 10, 15 years, we're not into whatever it is that we're doing right now. And we don't wanna feel trashed. It has to be fulfilling. I just don't see it. I just don't see it. There's not, I'm not motivated like I was

for money in the past, although it still. Got to imagine right now, imagine right now, somebody, we're at PaleoFX, right? We're here in Austin right now. We go to PaleoFX and a supplement company's like, hey, I'm selling BCAA powder and here's my commercial and it talks about how BCAA powder increases your bench press by 500 pounds and you've loose, you know, 20 pounds of body fat

in 30 days. He's like, look, I'm gonna pay $5 million to pedal the shit. What a fucking, I mean, I laugh at it. Yeah, I laugh at that number. It's not even, to me, it has to be something that, because you are, you would be ruining your reputation in a space that you absolutely, forever in this space, right?

Because technically, you go off and do something else. I mean, you could totally go. What happened to Adam? He's still in shoes now. Yeah, right, right. I mean, you could. You could, you could go do something else, but you would be ruined in the space that we claim to love.

I mean, if we truly love helping people like we say we do and we've been doing it for as long as we have, I would be knowing that I'm fucking over all those people. I would be having to really take care of the ones I love the most in order to do that. That's the way I look at it. And even if it's not that extreme where we're taking people over and we were to even sell out, let's just say sell to a couple other fitness guys that are wanting to take care of people, Not knowing what direction they could take it, which could be a supplement company. Sure. It would have to be a hefty number, man. I don't think any of us would want. None of us have any desire to walk away from this thing for any number. I don't know. When it comes to selling out

like that, a lot of people have done it. Rock bands have done it. You've got a lot of athletes have done it or whatever. But selling out to hurt people people I could never do that because no amount of money would Would would would make that feel okay to me, you know what I mean? I'd have to live with myself like that would suck I could have the biggest mansion in the world all the money in the world But every day I'd have to be like fuck man. I hurt I bullshit it that many people I hurt that many people are ripped all those people off like yeah But that would get that would get subside really quick when you're rocking on your rocking chair

And you're looking at all your family on your fucking Multi-million dollar and they're playing with their kids and they're hanging out in their lawn About hurting people as I'm talking. Oh, yeah Well, that's that's it That was I think you guys shouldn't even have thrown that in there because I don't think that's even a question for any of us that We would never do anything they could potentially hurt people like that. I think selling out for us could just mean selling the business And walking away from it and allowing someone to do whatever they want with the Avocats. People are honest, most people have a price for something like that. Everybody has, I think, would have a price.

I think everyone does. And I think you're lying to yourself. And of course everybody likes to say like, Oh, I would never, I would never. Like really dude, come on. And I think it's, and again, I think it's an important question to always be kind of challenging and ask ourselves because we're always caught in moral dilemmas of What is best for everybody else? What is best for myself? And sometimes they line up and sometimes they don't and you have to ask yourself Like you know am I am I doing something selfless right now? Or am I gonna do something selfish? So I think it's a very healthy question to ask and I think people that try and fucking act All my idea about it like oh cool would never see, we'd never. I can see it happening too, and times go sour real bad. And you're in this spot where things are gloom,

and somebody offers you something like that to resurrect things, to get your life back in order, and all this, it's all selfish intent at that point. Even though things, so it's like, I don't know, judging it too hard, it's kind of tough because like, I know a lot of people out there that have probably considered selling out, like maybe they were, like that was like,

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