Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 761: Kanye's Ye vs. the People, When to (& not to) Bulk, Working Out vs Sleeping Instead & MORE

Episode Date: May 2, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about their best tips to increase your NEAT throughout the day, if men and women be at certain body fat % range before entertaining the idea of bulking, how to fit in a full workout when time and sleeping hours are limited and if Mind Pump is going to install a "cry closet." Kanye's Ye vs. the People. The King of Controversy, Kanye West is back and the guys get political. (4:41) Pizza Hut 'Pie Tops' Let You Order Pizza From Your Shoes! The creativity of marketing is still alive and well. (32:00) Activated charcoal for the win!! Tips to avoid the dreaded hangover when drinking and the guys talk the bar scene in Austin. (42:00) #Quah question #1 – Can you share your best tips to increase your NEAT throughout the day? (52:27) #Quah question #2 – Should men and women be at certain body fat % range before entertaining the idea of bulking? (1:07:15) #Quah question #3 - How can I fit in a full workout when time and sleeping hours are limited? (1:17:53) #Quah question #4 – Is Mind Pump going to install a "cry closet?" (1:26:24) Related Links/Products Mentioned: Kanye West discusses Trump on new T.I.-featuring track ‘Ye vs. the People’ Kanye West just said 400 years of slavery was a choice The Racist History of Minimum Wage Laws A Trump Nobel Peace Prize? South Korea’s Leader Likes the Idea President Barack Obama's shifting stance on gay marriage Order Pizza Hut through sneakers? I tried these so-called 'Pie Tops' Is a Stick Shift an Anti-Theft Device? Organifi Activated Charcoal—Past, Present and Future NEAT- Walmart Diet Secret- Do this INSTEAD of cardio The effect of training volume and intensity on improvements in muscular strength and size in resistance-trained men Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set / Mind Pump Apparel This University Has a 'Cry Closet' for Stressed-Out Students – VICE People Mentioned: Kanye West (@kanyewestt_official)  Instagram Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)  Twitter Barack Obama (@barackobama) Instagram Dr. Michael Ruscio (@drruscio)  Instagram Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness) Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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A lot of times people who's body fats are already kind of high think that they should get into a bulk, is that a good idea? The next question was, this individual works a lot of hours, seven days a week, and then it has seven days off. So it's a very strange schedule. How would we structure a workout to maximize his potential in this particular type of environment?

Very unique. The next question was, you know, as we continue to grow and become bigger and more successful, are we going to adopt the policy of the University of Utah and put in a cry closet? Oh, man. Where we're just and can go in there and just, this screams like, you know, something I would do. Scream is a little hard out. Also, we screams, like, you know, something I would do. Scream is a little hard out. Also, we are, look, we're closer to summer.

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So I'm really excited to bring this up today because you know, maybe about, I don't know. It's gonna be controversial. Of course. It has to be. It was like maybe six months ago or what I like to add where we first got into the rap debate about rap

is so shitty now and I told you guys that we sound like a bunch of old men. Hala, hala, hala, hala, hala, hala, hala. I gotta do the sounds that they do. And I agree with you that there is some shitty rap, just like there was shitty rap back in 2000. Sure. just like there was shitty wrap back in 2000. But there still are some poetic rappers or lyrically talented rappers out there. And there's been some stuff that I've been posting

on my stories and some of the ones that I really enjoy and listen to. And recently, probably one of the most controversial rappers. Isn't that interesting? We all just collectively decided to start paying attention to rap again. And now it's turning into like,

oh wow, look what's going on. You know what the political climate and how this is all getting, you know, entertained. Well, I've never really stopped. That was part of the frustration when we got into these arguments because I was like, no, I'm listening. I'm not listening nice. Crazed that was when I was a kid,

but there still is some really talented rappers. And like I said, I've been talking about him, but what recently has happened is Kanye. And Kanye is by far the probably most controversial rapper that's out there right now. He's loved by so many and he's hated by probably just as many too. And for him to come out, and I don't know if you would call this a lining with Trump, but he did a song

that was obviously supporting him. Does the one you showed us? Yeah, this is what I just got dropped, like just like three days versus the people. Yeah, ye versus the people, right? Or ye versus the people Kanye. What do you guys think? What do you think, dude? I think he knows what he's doing.

There's an interesting cultural shift that's happening. And I think this is part of it. This is this particular song. It's gonna be a major part of it. Well, he has a lot of influence. He does, but it's, it's, there was already this rumble that started happening relatively recently during the campaign, during

the presidential campaign, you're seeing a lot more minorities because what's happened for a long time, and I wish people knew, I wish history was taught accurately in many respects, because it's not very accurate, or they just don't talk about it. But for a long time, for a long time now, the Democrat party, and I'm not, I don't necessarily, I don't align with either side, okay, this is just factual. The Democrat party has for a long time taken for granted that they have this kind of guaranteed minority support. Like, guaranteed, they're going to get the black vote, guaranteed, they're going to get the woman vote, guaranteed, they're going to get the, you know, the minority vote.

Actually, Hispanics are flocking now to the conservative side and more so before as well than other minorities, but they were definitely more Democrat. But you're starting to see them now come over or move over to more of the conservative type of vote. And there's a cultural shift that's starting to happen. I think what's happening is, and I 100% give credit to technology because old media was so controlled by those in power, so controlled that if that they just wouldn't put minorities on TV who said or put messages that were counter to what they are. Yeah, and not only that, but now for decades, you've had Democrat run cities and states and we had a you know, a minority president for eight years.

already president for eight years and people are like, yo man, like nothing's fucking changing. Chicago got more violent and more dangerous during the eight years that Obama was president. When you look at cities that are run by, and I'm not, this isn't, I'm not saying pro-republican by the way. I'm just saying that the, that they are facts,

they're taking for granted that, they're guaranteed to get that vote, you know what I'm saying? And they play that card very, very strongly. But if you look at history, and this is what's happening now with technology, so you get a lot of minority voices coming out saying, hey, you know, just because you're a Democrat

doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for you no matter what. Like I wanna see what's happening. And also people are starting to learn. That's what I feel like the underlining message of this song is. Yeah. It's more about like challenge, you know, just cause I'm, just cause we're black doesn't mean we have to be Democrat.

That's right. I mean, I think that that was one of the powerful statements he makes in the song. Let me tell you something. So if you look at the history of the parties, don't go, have to go back that far. You look at the histories of the parties. The Democrat party was the party of slavery. It was the party for segregation. They filibuster

the Civil Rights Act. They were the party of the KKK. This is fact. This is not disputable. 100% fact. They don't believe me. Go look it up yourself. Up until not that long ago. Okay. They were the, They were the racist party. The Republicans were the party of Lincoln. They were the party of ending slavery. They were the party that supported the Civil Rights Act, the ended segregation. And it wasn't necessarily because, and here's what happens,

I think people confuse, or they think, oh, doesn't mean that these white people like minorities or that these white people don't like minorities. That's part of it, but the other part of it is if you look at the history of the Republican party, Republican is the Republic. That's what the term comes from. And what they valued was the constitutional republic that America was founded on, which was based on individual liberties.

So to them, it was like, I don't, you can be whatever minority you want, the smallest minority of all is the individual, so we need to protect individual liberties, and that was kind of the, what was behind it. And so if you look at history, that's what you see. I'll give you a great example. If we talk about a law like minimum wage

or policies like minimum wage laws, minimum wage, the party today that supports raising minimum wage, it's a history of minimum wage, it's crazy. It's crazy. The history of, or the party that tends to support raising a minimum wage is the Democrats, right? Now if you look at historically, minimum wage laws, how did they start?

Well, in this country, at least, during when we were laying out railroads, wasn't it, wasn't it, didn't they put it to keep blacks from getting jobs? That's right. Wasn't that the main reason? Yes, it was because they, one example, there's many examples, but one example, and again, you can look this up, when we were building railroads, like 80% of the workers were black, and there was a large percentage of the workers that were minorities. Now the white workers didn't like this.

Now the minorities, remember racism existed very much during this period of time, very, very much. But at this period of time, you know, when you But at this period of time, when you're a minority and people are racist towards you, you have a bargaining chip and it's your salary. So you may go up to a white owner of this railroad and they may think, I don't wanna hire you because you're black, oh, but wait, you're cheaper.

And so that was their bargaining chip. And this was for women, minorities for years, this is what the free market did, is you made it fucking expensive to discriminate. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're really gonna discriminate against us, it's gonna cost you more money, because you're gonna hire the white worker,

but you're gonna have to pay them more. And so this was their bargaining chip. And so, and this isn't good or bad, it's just the fact is how it was. So the white workers didn't like this, they don't like that the black workers were coming and taking their jobs and getting paid less. So what they did is they lobbied to pass laws creating a minimum wage.

So they said, you can't pay anybody lower than this amount. Therefore, guaranteeing that they would get more work because now if you're a well-wore worker and you're looking well-worker and you're looking at these people and you are racist and you see your black people applying for the job and white people applying for the job and you have to pay them X amount of dollars and you're racist then you're just gonna hire the white people.

And this is what it did, it actually reduced employment. And this is what it has happened. How much do you know? I don't know what the numbers are. There's a great Netflix show that I watched that kind of depicts a little bit of this history. I can't think of the name of it right now at how much do you know? I don't know what the numbers are. There's a great Netflix show that I watched that kind of depicts a little bit of this history. I can't think of the name of it right now at the top of my head, I don't know.

Many of these laws that we think that, you know, that are pushed or supposed to help minorities are actually based on, or were based on racism. They were based on limiting and eliminating and preventing minorities from progressing. Because again, when you're in a free market system, you want it to be expensive for someone to be racist. You want it to be expensive for someone to be sexist. If someone is racist and sexist, something that you can bargain with is how much they pay you.

Then of course, as you continue working, you build more skills and whatever, things start to tend, they tend to start to change. But anyway, that was a minimum wage as a racist law. It started that way. Everybody knew it. That's back when people understood economics. And now today, they're like, no, we're gonna help minorities by raising minimum wage.

When in reality, if you look at percentages, right, a larger percentage of minorities tend to be be more of them tend to be poor, more of them tend to have less education and tend to be disenfranchised. Nobody would argue that, right? That's statistics again. So you're going to make them unemployable. If you're somebody that has low skills,

you don't have a lot of education. Maybe you have a prison record, maybe not, but you're just gonna go get a job and the minimum that the person can pay you is $15. Well, the employer might look at you and say, well, you don't have any skills, you don't have any experience. I'm not gonna pay you 15 bucks an hour. I'd pay you 10, but unfortunately I can't do that.

So you basically increase the unemployment among the disenfranchised, which today, you could say minorities, whatever, but really it's just low skilled. I mean, it doesn't matter if you're white, whatever. And this is true. Anytime minimum wage goes up, unemployment among the disenfranchised goes up,

because now you're making it harder for them to enter the market, because it's expensive. Versus eliminate that, now I'm entering the market, I have low skills and all this other stuff You know, hey look. I'll work for you know eight bucks an hour I'll work for seven bucks an hour. Let me prove myself. Let me gain some skills. You've taken that away from them So anyway my point with all this is that the Democrat party and I believe it was under Lyndon B. Johnson and There's I'm not even gonna quote some of these quotes that he said and I think it's Lyndon B. Johnson Maybe we can look up look it up. I'm not even gonna say what he said these quotes that he said. And I think it's Lyndon B. Johnson. Maybe we can look it up.

I'm not even going to say what he said, because it's terrible. A lot of racist terminology. But there's real quotes that were overheard by staff. And it's semi-wildly accepted that these are actual quotes. He came up with a plan to get the minority vote. And so they started really advertising to them. Very heavily. We're going to get this vote. And so what started really, you know, advertising to them very heavily. We're going to get this vote. And so what's happened over time is they've gotten lots of things promised to them, lots of things are going to change, lots of things are going to happen.

And instead, you've got, you know, it's worse. Like if you live in a poor neighborhood, for example, you know, we talk about gun control. Let's look at, let's look at some of the most dangerous cities in America. Some of them are conservative, but a lot of them are run by liberal politicians, and they've got very, very, very strict gun control, but there's fucking killings and gun shot, you know, killings like crazy, right? So what you've essentially done is you've got the single mom or this guy or whatever trying to go to work. He's fucking like, man, I walk through some of these streets and I'm afraid to get mugged or robbed, but I can't have a gun legally.

So I'm gonna have to carry one illegally, but if I use this illegal gun to defend myself, I'm going to jail too. So you create this situation where, and they're starting to say this, they're starting to say this kind of stuff, like hey, look at the drug policy, look at all these things that you said we're gonna help us,

in fact, but what they've done is put more people in jail, made it impossible for me to defend myself, harder to get job, harder to get education. Look at education. The most people like to say, like we need public programs and public education because it creates more equality. There's nothing more unequal than public education.

Nothing. Go to a school in a bad neighborhood, and public school, go to a public school in a nice neighborhood. The most drastic go to a public school and a nice neighborhood. The most drastic difference you've ever seen your life. One school's got metal detectors, teachers not showing up to class, kids fucking, you know, bringing drugs,

it's just like a prison and it's extremely dangerous and some parents are gonna send their kids to school cause it's dangerous. Then you get these nice neighborhoods, these are all publicly funded, supposed to be, like everybody says, equal, and they're fucking terrible. And you know what the worst part of it is?

If you're a poor parent in these neighborhoods, you have no choice because I can't take this public money. They've zoned it all. No, you have to bring, yeah, you have to send your kid to this school because that's where you live. And so a lot of these people are like, fuck, man, like, you know, we've been voting for you guys for decades now. And it's getting, nobody, you're not helping anybody. It's getting worse. So maybe we'll start to listen to the other side and other people.

So it's going to be interesting to see him. but she's no, no matter what, I think that there's plenty of manipulation on both sides. And this just happens to be Kanye talking about this one topic. And what I like and what I appreciate about rap and about songs like this, you know, love or hate him. The song is whatever, it's not like a great song. It doesn't have a great hook to it or anything crazy like that. But the message behind it, I think is powerful. And whether you agree or disagree with it, it's going to create. It's already, it's fucking trending everywhere and it's causing all kinds of, yeah. I mean, it's, he's being contrarian, you know, and some, it's like, he wants to kind of challenge the Everybody has a thought process. They're just buying into but have you really thought about it?

You know if you thought about it hard if you if you looked into you know like Besides like getting what you're getting from media Have you actually dove in and saw all the plays that are happening and like who's really making moves in your community that are making a difference It's like are you just accepting what's really making moves in your community that are making a difference. It's like, are you just accepting what's the common thought everybody shares together? It's the oldest game of the book. Politicians have been doing this forever. I just watched a documentary on Hugo Chavez who turned Venezuela from a semi-wealthy emerging

South American nation to a place now where people are eating rats and dogs and cats and starving in the streets. And he did this on a higher level, but this is what politicians have been doing forever. They'll promise you a bunch of free shit. Oh, you know what? We'll help you. We're going to give you this. We're going to give you that.

We're going to, instead of setting up this situation where you can help yourself, you know, where there's less barriers, where there's more opportunities. You know, for you to help yourself, that's the only way for shit to work out. When you hear a politician promising you free stuff, run, like run in the opposite direction, because it's always in there,

they're just trying to get your vote. They're gonna, it's in their benefit, not in yours. There's a special interest for all. This is also too that makes me skeptical of all this as much as I enjoy it and the conversation we're having about it, so that is anytime politicians and celebrities align any message, I don't give a fuck if you're pro it

or against it, I'm always skeptical. It reminds me of when I see a fucking supplement company put out a study. Yeah, I was saying it's the same relationship that I'm gonna be skeptical of Kanye because look at what this is gonna do for his record sales. You know, like this is a move, this is a- Well, I'll need him, I heard it.

Am I killing him? You think so? Yeah, I don't know. In the song he wraps about it. I mean, TI is saying that in the song that this could potentially fuck him and he's saying, I don't give a fuck. Like I'm gonna save him.

I don't think so. I think his sales will be better and he's ever had if you're if you're that's interesting theory in my mind in my I think I happened to trump got elected because of the same thing like any any sort of like so many eyes so many people are listening because it's it's just it hit right the right timing you know to to challenge. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't bet against you on that, but I mean, if you're, if you're, if you openly support Trump and you're a minority, you run the major risk of being called a sellout

or actually if you support anybody, it's not a Democrat. It's been like this for a long time, but you're seeing more and more of it happen because I think people are questioning things, and I'm not saying the answers to vote Republican I think the answer is to vote like open be open minded don't let don't just think you got a vote for someone just because They belong to a political party because I'm gonna you know here's a here's a little Little wake up call

Many times they act the same when they're in office. So somebody could say one thing the other guy says the other thing They get in office. They do the same shit Mm-hmm. So you gotta look at what they're doing not just you know the party that they're in office. So somebody could say one thing, the other guy says the other thing, they get in office, they do the same shit. So you gotta look at what they're doing, not just the party that they belong to, or the color of their skin. I feel like sometimes people like Obama, I'll tell you what man, Obama campaigned against so many different things that he then supported when he was in office,

but people kind of gave him a pass because he was so eloquent. And so I remember watching him as a senator railing against, you know, in indefinite detention of American citizens without rule of law, which you can read in the National Defense Authorization Act, he also railed against the Patriot Act.

He hammered Bush on those two things. Well, guess you signed those things like several times in office and kept promoting him. Obama, he was the same guy that's like, we need to label GMOs. Guess he's the guy that fucking signed laws making it almost impossible now to sue companies or to label GMOs if you're a state, right?

Same guy. Those are just a couple silly examples. But, you know, I think people now are starting to like, I don't know, it's interesting. There's an interesting culture shift that's starting to happen. And Trump is, he's the worst nightmare for the Democrats, worst nightmare ever, because he does everything he's not supposed to do,

like the way he talks, and the shit that he does, and you shake your head, and you're like, wow, this is what is he doing? And then he gets more support, or the media, or whoever goes after him, like they go after all politicians, but with things that would normally destroy politicians, and for whatever reason, he's like bulletproof

on that kind of stuff. And that's the old mud sling, he isn't really working anymore. No, and then of course you've got, you know, he'll say course you've got like, you know, he'll say something like, I mean, look at what happened with North Korea. Like that is a miracle.

People don't really talk about that for a minute. I don't know that people realize what significance that is in the world right now. If it sticks, if it sticks, I mean, this is the first time North Korean president has come across, you know, the frickin divide between South Korean North Korea and shokans and ended the, by the way,

the Korean war has been ended. It wasn't ended before, it was just a truce, like, okay, we're not gonna do anything, but we're still a war type of deal. And they've agreed to a few things, we'll see if he follows through with it, but this is the first time in decades. And you know what, you know what, if I'm a Democrat, I'm like,

fuck, because you can say, well, you know, maybe this was decades of, and you can make the argument. Did they originally try and put the spin that he's like in goots with them? Was that like when he was originally going over and meeting over there and so that was not, was that was not, was that was it? No, no president. No American president is met with a North Korean leader.

And oh, I thought he, I thought he went over there. He's going to. Oh, yeah, going to me. But no, nobody. They're has met with the North Korean leader. Oh, I thought he went over there. He's going to. Oh, yeah, they're going to me. But no, nobody. They're the most isolated country of all time. And extremely hostile. And, you know, and you could speculate and say, okay, decades of sanctions and pressure

finally broke them. But I'll tell you what, China put pressure on North Korea for the first time in a long time, major pressure. Cause China was like protecting them. All of a sudden they put pressure on North Korea for the first time in a long time, major pressure, because China was like protecting them, all of a sudden they put pressure on them. And like I said, he came over and the South Korean president, so if I'm a Democrat, if I'm a politician right now and I'm looking at Trump,

and I'm like, we need to defeat him. And then this happens, and then on top of it, the South Korean president comes out and says, Donald Trump is the reason why this happened, and he deserves a fucking Nobel Peace Prize. That's what he said. He said the South Korean fucking president said that shit. Wow. Yeah, like it's so wild. If you're a Democrat, you're like, fuck, we're dead. How are we gonna beat this guy? Oh my god. You know, so now are you speculating that some a lot of the stuff

that was going back and forth with China and everything that with tariffs and things like that has is a part of all this. I think I think this is my speculation. Trump that was going back and forth with China and everything that that, with tariffs and things like that, has a part of all this. I think, I think, this is my speculation. Trump, he, presidents tend to threaten and then do this that, but rarely do they really do anything, right? Trump, I think he comes across as the dude that's gonna fucking do some shit. And he would say, remember his tweets,

like everybody made fun of his tweets, like he called North Korean president, what's his name, Kim Jong, whatever. Rock him in. And he's like, I know you have a nuclear button, but mine's bigger than yours. Like saying crazy shit, like, no, it's like, we'll nuke your country too.

Like, it's not up, like he's actually saying shit that you're like, oh my god, what are you doing? Yeah. But that may be what caused- I think you're off the rails. That may be what caused this dude. Then there's some speculation that they had the mountain that they test their nuclear weapons.

It's collapsing and that they're already like, oh fuck, we're screwed, type of deal. Who knows? The bottom line is it doesn't matter because he's going to get the credit for it. It's weird, man. I haven't seen a Republican get this much buzz around like minority support. A lot of people say minorities don't like Trump. I'm seeing more support for him than I can remember for Republican, you know, maybe all the way back to Reagan.

You know, Reagan had a decent amount, you know, especially when he ran the first time. Well, I'm sure that's downplayed a lot in the news. Yeah, I don't know, man, this is weird, but they have a guy like, can we call him running for eight already? I don't, I do not see, I don't see how they're gonna touch him. I don't, who are they gonna put against them? Bernie Sanders?

No. Bernie Sanders gets killed. Another celebrity maybe. I hope she burns Bernie Sanders. Yeah, maybe. No, I hope her said she wanted to do it. I think she backed out. Yeah, but I, you know, the thing about,

the thing that I don't like about politics is that they've created this false Illusion of choice and saying you only have two options to choose from and they actually create laws to make it To to to keep it that way whereas if you're another party they make it very difficult for you to even get on the ballot It's funny that we even have parties and all that stuff exists It should just be like a man or a woman's running. They say they're running. They don't represent a party

and they put their views out there. I think it's so hilarious. Because you know, I mean, you always see this too with presidents that flip flop during their time of even being politics, you know, because it's whatever the climate is. Like, oh, it's cool right now to be not racist. Oh, it's cool right now to be not racist. Oh,

it's cool right now to be pro this. Oh, it's cool to be pro that and oh wait, it's not anymore. So now this is oh, here's a good one. What can you trust? What you really want? Here's a good one for people. Obama in 2008 when you ran for this first term as president openly campaigned against gay marriage literally said I believe marriage between a man and woman. So did Hillary. And then of course afterwards, they changed her tune. After the polls were showing consistent majority support of for gay marriage.

No, I'm sure it's time. So they don't run on principle. At all, they're popular. You know, whatever the populace is thinking. It's just, it's a game. It's a fucking game. And there's this whole like, don't, don't like, take it for granted.

Like, look at the two parties and don't think you have to vote for one of those two. Or don't think you have to vote for, like, if you're a, like, if you're a really, you know, if you're just like a Christian and you believe in family values, that's doesn't mean that you have to vote Republican. I don't take that shit for granted. Don't let them get your vote just because of that.

And if you're a minority or a woman, don't think you just have to vote Democratic. They're like, look and see what's going on, who the people are and kind of look between the lines. Cause otherwise, they got a stranglehold on us. And this is what's happening. You have this other, this is black woman on, like you woman on YouTube

and stuff, Candace Owens, who is she saying this and she's getting really popular. And she's saying it's like, hey, look, just because I'm black doesn't mean I have to vote this particular way. And she's a Trump supporter. It's just interesting. It's interesting that this, what's happening,

it feels like this kind of cultural shift where shit's starting to get, I love it. I think that, I think. I love it too like this kind of cultural shift, where shit's starting to get, I love it. I think that, I think that, I love it too. That's why I like, I mean, man, this is where, again, this me defending my argument from six months ago, it's like, man, you cannot say like, this isn't powerful music, whether you like it or not, whether you can understand it or not, like whatever, I mean, it's powerful shit. I won't argue with that. You know, it used to be during the counter culture of times of the 60s and 70s that like rock was the voice.

You know, it was like the controversial voice where you'd have, you know, artists would come out and talk about things that were happening. It was punk rock before it was going against you in the monarchy. Yeah, and now in rap does this really well. I can't, like other than rapping, pop music never does this, right? They try, but it's bullshit.

But rap artists have been doing this since the 80s and 90s where they're coming out and talking about what's happening in their neighborhoods, what's happening, and you know, God, they've been controversial for a while now. Well, I mean, that's part of what we all had a lot of love for two-pock and bigging. And so at that, I know that's what we talked about. They had, they were talking about this.

And WA, they were talking a lot about this shit for sure. Yeah, and you're seeing it with rap and comedians, comedians are, comedians play a massive role in, they're the ones that they can come out and say things because it's funny, but they can actually say shit. Yeah. Although they've been under attack. They've been under attack a lot,

which is very interesting to me. It's like the last stranglehold they're trying to like, you know, corral and you can't. You know, you can't like comedians, I don't know what it is, but it's just like, you can't stop these thoughts, you know. Like it has to be expressed. And I that's why I love comedy because you can.

You can present something that's really thought-provoking, but like, it's deliverable. It's in a way that's receivable for most people. So I got a transition as out of this really heavy political talk right now because I just remembered something that I had seen while we were out in Austin. And it was a DM, so I apologize for whoever sent it over to me, but I get a lot of people that are sneaker heads because I post my sneakers and they're out and they share stuff and

it's like different shoes. And this dude sends me over or messages me like, man, you got to get the impzza hut shoes. And I go, I go, pizza hut shoes, I'm like, what the fuck is that, right? So I look it up and I'm like, get the fuck out. They're like made out of cardboard. Bro, they, okay, so there's super limited edition. I forgot there is 50, I know I shouldn't know better right here because there's, it's however many teams

are in March madness. I think there's 52, somewhere around there. Don't quote me on that. But it's like 52 or 60 or somewhere between 52 and 60 shoes were made. That's it. That's all that are in existence. But these pizza hut shoes, they look like old school

kind of like Nike high tops, but they're not Nike, they're made by pizza hut and they're custom made. And they have a built in button to fucking fucking oh 68 thank you Doug so 68 of them that were that were made so you can order pizza from your sneakers by a push of a button so cuz cuz they're they're linked to an app the app is then connected to delivery pizza hot in the app you have the option to make make your custom favorite shoes or what about that? I mean, there's only 68 of them.

They're just gonna be worth a shit ton. Oh, I'm curious to see what they're, what they're so. How would you even buy them if they're so few? I mean, there's always a market. It's a lot of option. Yeah, pie tops. Pie tops.

Yeah, isn't that great? Isn't that great? That is great. It's hilarious. I love how marketing is getting so creative now. So do I. I'm trying to create that viral real back there. Right, right, right.

I think that's, I think it's clever, man. I think it, I think it's really clever. What is it, is it, is it, say anywhere, Doug on there, like, oh, what they, what they sell for? They're ugly as fuck in my opinion. Yeah, they are ugly. I feel like people are just gonna buy them to, as a, like, collector.

So I would do that. So I would, I would, I would totally buy them as a collector, just to say I have them. And what kind of pizza shows up? You know, that's all I wanna know. Bro, anything you'd say. Like you preset, like what do you like? Yeah, so you like, the way it works is you preset

in the app, like your favorite pizza, you know? And then all you gotta do is hit that button. Bro, imagine this, you're at a party. I'm feeling a pizza. That's why it's cool. Yeah, you're at a party and you're like, hey, you guys want and then all you got to do is hit that button. Bro, think of imagine this, you're at a party. I'm feeling a pizza. That's why it's cool. Yeah, you're at a party and you're like, Hey, you guys want to order some pizza? Like, yeah, you're like here, push that button on my shoe.

What? Some kid keeps pushing it on your shoe and you don't see 30, 30 pizza's there. Fuck. I remember when shoes were all about, can they make you jump higher and run faster? Yeah. And nobody cares about that anymore. So you know what happened, right?

So this is kind of, this is a cool topic to talk to Taylor, because Taylor's into this even more than I am. Like he's the super sneaker head out of all of us. But Jordan's is what really did all this. Like if there was, there's actually a shoe market now. And you can,

there's apps, there's beckons, there's things you can go and look up and see the value of a shoe. So all the shoes that I wear and then I have, a majority of them, okay, what is that? Wow. Oh, bidding on them right now.

There's this like a stock. Wow, this is like a becket or whatever, I guess. Yeah, yeah, see. $900 was the sale of the last pair. So, and this exists for like all shoes now. There's, there is, especially shoes that are popular or that people wear. They've released these limited editions and people go out by them, by all of them, and then they instantly, the next day, are worth hundreds of dollars typically more than they

were when they released. And you can wear them and still turn around and sell them for damn near what you paid for them. Sometimes more, I've got sneakers that I paid X amount of dollars for and they're two, three times worth what they were when I first bought them. And I can sell them at least get my money back or maybe a little more, worn.

So that's why I'm so much into it and why I collect them is because it's like, one, I get to have them and I love them and I get to wear them all the time. And then if I really ever needed the money for some reason, then I need to sell them. I could definitely sell my collection and make quite a bit of money off. Well, what other, what things today do you think will be valuable? Like, you know, I mean, what the, like on a secondary market? Well, you know, it's funny as, and you've mentioned this before, and I agree with you,

that a lot of this stuff, you know, will be different, you know, it's funny as and you've mentioned this before and I agree with you that a lot of this stuff, you know, will be different, you know, because with 3D printing, you're going to be able to make a lot of things. But it might make it more valuable. It could because here's the thing. Here's the argument to that is that we already have this, we already have knockoffs of everything and there is a market for that. There's people that wear fake-ass Louis Vuitton purses and shoes and things like that. Huge market in China. Yeah, and exactly. And they look just like it, the average person

who's just walking by would never know. But there are still people that want the real thing and that will pay that extra money, even if it looks spot on to the fake stuff. So maybe when 3D printing comes out, you may be able to 3D print something that looks like something that's custom-made, but it won't be the actual custom-hand.

Yeah, I don't think so, because it's like, I agree with you, because you could easily get a painting that looks identical to the original. A puzzle. Yeah, you could print that on a piece of paper and put it in your house. But it wouldn't be worth, it's not gonna be worth nearly as much

as it's not the real thing. Yes, yeah. So I wonder what other things, like I wonder if old tech will be worth a lot of, in fact, no I feel. I know, yeah, like blacksmithing and old trades, like if you're a craftsman and you, you have a certain skill of like wood carving or, you know, I just see a lot of unique opportunities there because

it's physically made by a person. Well, yeah, so Doug, Google dug this real quick. Duggle, Duggle. Duggle it. Yeah. Duggle it. Duggle it, Doug. Duggle for shuggle.

Doug, Duggle it. Off-white sneakers. Yeah. Off-white sneakers. I think, when I said old tech, what I mean is like, if you have an old Nintendo, the original, yeah, that should's worth way more than you must have. So like, what if you had like an old cell phone or old headphones or whatever,

I bet you'd have to designer sneakers that down by, yeah, right there. So this is what you see now a lot of, this is just one example, there's a ton of these these guys that take shoes like a style that already already exist. Oh, and then they just do their own art on it or whatever. Yeah, then they then they put their own twist and design into it. And then it turns in because of them being a famous artist already. So it's like if Picasso was

alive today, Picasso would have sneakers, in my opinion. You know what I'm saying? Like there's like, and there's guys that do this, that there's artists or these designers that are brilliant and talented and have the new Da Vinci pumps. They now, and so what I love to see

what we're seeing right now too in the market spaces, a lot of collaborating. There's a lot of that. You see these in commercials now. You never saw this in commercials. Sprite and Doritos doing a commercial together. It's like, that's, you know, those are different. But they're not competing.

And so there's, they're, Who started that? I think I have an idea of Taco Bell and their Doritos. Yeah. Yeah, tacos was, that was an interesting combo. It blew up. Yeah, it went crazy. It went crazy.

That's an interesting, I wonder who was the first, like the first big ones. I feel like it was them interesting combo. It blew up. Yeah, it went crazy. It went crazy. That's an interesting. I wonder who was the first big ones. I feel like it was them. Maybe. I mean, as far as major brands, doing one big thing together. I mean, there's probably more examples than that that we're not thinking about. I'll tell you about our head, but that is a good example

of that, and you're seeing more of that. So to wrap up what we're talking about, I do believe in the future, even when 3D printing a set comes out, and there still will be people that will seek out these artists that, you know, still collaborate with shoes and make them, and you know what, it could potentially make it more expensive like you're saying, and maybe- I think it will be because it'll be more rare.

Yeah. It'll be more rare that you get that, and more, much more common that people can just print it off themselves, so just increase the value. I think cars will be worth, I think a car will be worth a lot of money. Oh, I think the future. A car that you drive yourself.

You know, a stick shift. A stick shift car. Yes, stick shifts will be almost nonexistent. Yeah, they almost are now. Did you know, so I have a friend that's a police officer and he said, this back when I did Jiu Jitsu, and he's like, yeah, one of the best things you could do to ensure that your car doesn't get stolen is buy a stick shift he's like

The like thieves or whatever they don't Yeah, because they're the young themes are stupid. They purposely they've never even seen it They're like ah no, they won't they won't steal a car if it's they he said yeah It's rare super rare that someone steals a stick shift because so many of these kids don't know how to drive them. Hot, it's hilarious. I've never heard that before. Isn't that funny?

Yeah, but it makes total sense. Actually, most kids don't know how to drive a stick shift. If you talk to most kids, it's like an old relic of a skill. My girl can't drive a stick. It wouldn't be the combine. Yeah, that's a, isn't that crazy? Is your wife drive stick? Yes, yes.

She was into like hot rodding and stuff, though. I mean, she had a Camaro like SS and all that and so it was all with the manual shift. That's right, she drove that white Camaro, I forgot about that. Oh, it was red? Yeah, red like T-top. Oh shit, when you guys were 24, yeah.

Oh for, I don't know why. And then that became my car. Yeah, I had that for a minute and was driving 17 like a bad out of hell. What kind of wick was it? It was a newer model. It was a newer one. It was one of the ones where it was like, it was the best looking one before it, you know,

they rebranded the whole thing to make it look like the old. Oh yeah. Yeah. So it was like the very last SS. The S.S. Was a fat, oh shit. Yeah, it was the fully, yeah. Those were like 340 horsepower I think back then, which doesn't sound like a lot So it was like the very last D20 SS was a fat oh shit. Yeah, it was the fully yeah,

those were like 340 horsepower I think back then, which doesn't sound like a lot now. That was a lot of fucking horsepower back in the day. No, it got on it. Well, in those cars are lighter too. They made those ones, the newer ones lighter. So definitely that shit would get on it. I like those.

That's really cool. So how'd you guys feel after all that drinking that we did? Hey, not bad, right? Surprisingly okay. Dude, that is the magic fucking combination. You do activated charcoal before you drink, during you drink, and then when you get home at night, you take a shit ton of the,

orgonified turmeric, which I was giving you guys. Yeah. For the inflammation that you may get, right? And what are you doing? And how did you guys wake up? No, I told Katrina that. I'm wake up? No, I told Katrina this. I told Katrina this, I mean, and I've mentioned this in the show,

like I don't drink very much because it just doesn't sit well with me, dude. I don't feel good at all. And this week we went out two nights and got after it. We never drink either. No, never, we don't drink. And not like that, not like six plus drinks. Yeah, we went hard.

And so funny, Sal was like, not like six plus drinks. Yeah, we went hard and so funny sounds like I remember over a city at the that's my old Animals, yeah, that swanky bar that we were at and we're all sitting at the tail and Sal's passing out pills to everybody and I remember like we're all non-shelot taking it We're doing nothing like how weird is that for people probably like probably looks like what yeah What are those pills people used to do in the seventies? I think we're doing ecstasy or something. I'll say it like all said to everybody's trying to drink it.

Yeah, we're drinking the night, start and sound comes out of his pocket, hands over these dark foods. Quailudes. Yeah, we're doing quailudes or something. No, that's my role, dude. I always bring all the stuff I think we may need to keep us like healthy and feeling good. And charcoal, man, activated charcoal,

absorbs toxins, reduces, and this is anecdot. I don't think there's any studies on this, but I haven't met anybody who's done this who says it doesn't work. No, game changer for me. Dude, your stomach doesn't get upset, and then you wake up the next day,

especially when you do the experiment. I wish we could get organized to make the charcoal. We should reach out to them and tell them. Well, I mean, we were using the turmeric afterwards because I figured you're gonna have some inflammation because a lot of times what happens, what you get that hangover, because we were still tired the next day

because we went to bed. Oh yeah, no, I was tired. It's still for sure, but that had nothing, I didn't feel shitty, my stomach. You didn't feel sick, you didn't get the headache. Yes. Because we got rid of the toxins and because the anti-inflammatory effects,

so you wake up the next day and you're tired if you go to bed late, but you don't feel sick. Because normally hangover's just, oh, it ruins all day. And it takes you sometimes a day or two to recover just because you put yourself out from all the inflammation and just like all the lack of sleep.

So what a great town to go out in though. Austin is such a great. That's why we went out. I mean, it's just so inviting. It's like everybody's cool. You know, there was a point. So this was funny when we're, you know, I just tell him Katrina this, that,

you know, I didn't realize how much I'm on guard, and then like, like, kind of like tense when I'm out in a bar type scene. And I guess it's, I mean, again, it's probably just, you know, all the years growing up and barfights and seeing people, you know, getting hurt and stuff. So those people that go out just to do that. Right, right.

And I've been around it. I've been a part of it. Like I've seen that. And so there's still this, you know, that you can't help that. That's a pathway to memory for me. And so, you know, when I'm in, like when I go to like a bar and it's like crazy packed and I'm in the urinal, like my head's like on a swivel.

You always have this thing like some dude fucking hit me from behind and I jacked my shit. And so I'm in defense mode, or if I'm in line for something like that and I feel people kind of rubbing up against me, I'm like, I'm on guard. I'm like ready to like defend myself of some shit where to go down

because I've been in situations like that. And Austin is not like this. Super friendly. And it took me like till the second night before I kind of calmed down and relaxed and what really made me make this Connection was there was a point where this guy kind of like grabbed me kind of abruptly on my shoulder and I kind of spun around and it was he was Completing my outfit, you know, I thought that was just so weird. So yeah, yeah, cool. Thanks. And he's like man no home

A man just want to say you look good tonight. I said you had to throw that out there. Yeah, right right I was like okay, that was different. You know what I'm saying? But it was cool because it just made me realize, like man, a lot of these people out here, they're cool, are very, very cool. And she'll, all the bars on rainy and sixth for you to be able to go from walking the streets back.

I mean, that just, if you saw that in San Jose, so there's cop, there'd have to be cops dividing the middle of it. And someone's be yelling at somebody doing some shit. Every time we've been out there, it's always been a, I really enjoy the lounges. Like, was that Roosevelt? I think it was called. That was a great lounge. I'm not, I'm not super keen on the pact. I know, I noticed this about myself a while ago, and it's super true.

I'm, I'm an introvert extrovert or extrovert introvert when you're gonna call it. Like I can be very extroverted, but I also don't like super crowded situations that are really loud because then I feel like it's tough to have a good conversation. Things tend to be very surface, which I hate. I hate surface chit-chat. It's way less predictable. I just feel like, I don't know, I just feel awkward,

you know what I mean? Like let's talk about I just I feel awkward you know I mean like let's talk about some good shit which really can't you know yeah I go somewhere between like kind of dive bar but like that other place we went where it was like there's lots of game that was fun there's outside there's an upper deck like yeah like I I totally dig that kind of a vibe and there's a lot of bars like that there I was so happy because. But at the end though, we went to that really, really packed place. Then I was, I was, that's horrible. That's conner's idea. How about the big,

this is a real conner. That's all his idea. How about that vapor shot that we took? Yeah. That's weird. Yeah. And I said there was like only six. No, three said three.

Oh, okay. So it's a bottle that they put a little bit of whiskey in it, and then the machine vaporizes it, and then when he pops the top, you hear, makes a sound, and then you gotta suck it in. See, all this like white steam. It's like a bomb rip, but it's alcohol. Alcohol.

And it burns a little bit. I'm pretty sure it's not good for your lungs, but you get a weird butt. I didn't feel it burn at all, did you? A little, you could tell you're inhaling something that's probably not good. I'm gonna have the nice taste, the aftertaste of whiskey, and but yeah, it was just like,

it was an interesting feeling. And then you get like a kind of a buzz off of it. Yeah, a little head high. A little bit of a head low. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It reminds me of if you're not a smoker and you tried smoking or something like that, or it feels kind of like that if you're not used to.

What I liked about the scene there, and I don't know if this is common in a lot of places, because I don't typically go to a lot of bars, so maybe you guys can, you know, let me know. Let's make it all the time. Yeah, yeah. Well, more than I do, the party animals. Yeah. More than I do.

Yeah. A lot of these bars had like adult games, like there was this massive connect for or jenga, or there was a fucking video game console Where I could play any game I wanted from the like early 2000s or whatever we played street fighter dragon Dude, yeah, we played double dragon. We played Street Fighter. I beat everybody then we did the then there was the big punch machine You know it was it was a marvel care Yeah, and then we had this big punch machine, right? So it's this big I actually get chance to hit that I wanted you to be in your mouth I was killing it he was doing this whole technique that I finally told me what he's up to but yeah so there's

I get to out of it yeah yeah cuz you were off talking so there was this there's a big ruse you and I were getting stocked by some chick you know you pulled me aside just for like a minute he's like hey let's talk business like right I want to hear what stock numbers right you want to talk about his book and like shit like that And so we just started and then Yeah, some chick just like Look at me. Yeah, I was totally oh god. How annoying is that? There was a couple girls that that did that to us with like hey, can you take our picture?

I'm like, okay, so take a picture. Oh, yeah, we're just here because we're modeling and the probably listening by the way because I I Subscribe them to mine pump my I'm not gonna get two subscribers as So it's it. That's how we roll right? I can't ask for a number like yeah, let me get you there. There were sweet girls. You know, they were young But they're like yeah, we're models. We're just you. Oh, but we're smart too. We went to college and we did the blood And I'm this and I'm that and that yeah, and I'm like and we did the blood and I'm this and I'm that. And that's just selling themselves, huh? Yeah, and I'm like,

like on my head's bleeding. Like cool, we're talking. I literally was like, oh, that's cool. That's very interesting. You wanted some of that silver fox. I'm like, hey, let me see your phone real quick. Boom, your sister in the mouth. You're subscribed to Mind Plum.

Thank you. But anyway, it's like this punching bag thing, this game, and you punch it, and it measures the strength of your punch. So it's like, I mean, it's testosterone land. For like, this is how guys can like this and it's brilliant. It is brilliant. You know, it's crazy is that they have a thing like that and there's no fighting

around it. Of course not because you're punching that. So you get to prove it, right? Yeah. So we set this thing up. I put my credit card in there and it, you know, thing comes out and I'm like, Justin come do this with me. So we, so I hit it and I don't remember what I got like eight, eight hundred and eight

years. Remember you. So and I don't remember what I got like 880 or something remember you Pretty much broke the machine. Yeah, 1884 And so that Justin's like boom, give her take he's like boom 700 something boom So I know I hate it fucking hard to do like all things shook He's like what the fuck man? What the fuck and I'm like just gonna just gonna piss him off forever Yeah, so we kept doing this back and forth, back and forth. And then at the end, I'm in a freezing almost up to 900.

And like, you fuck her. Afterwards, he's like, he's like, fuck, man. He's like, how did you do that? And so I was explaining the physics of the bag. Cause I'm like, it's on this fucking pivot. If you kinda hit it, it's gonna make that shit swing even harder. And the look on his face is like, you motherfucker. I went up there with him and vanished for me because I'm tall and I'd be coming down.

Oh, if you knew that technique and you have leverage like that. All those games you can figure out a little bit. There's always a little trick to it. They're always. Because I was looking at it and I'm like, oh, this is swinging on this pivot point right here. Leave it to Sal to break down the physics. I know, right?

I feel like he's sent that, but he got like, you know, some insight from like some carny somewhere. You know. Like here's how you do it. I feel like he said that but he got like, you know, some insight from like some carny somewhere Like you're so you do it, you know, like some guy jumped in with you guys I don't know if you guys. Yeah, so there was this one dude who's claimed to fame in life is that he's good at this game And he's like hitting and he's like yeah, he's like guys that they're every night. Yeah, waiting He's like high five in me me all hard. Like, oh, getting all aggressive. And I'm like, that's what I left us. I'm like, you can have fun with this guy. I gave him the Bruce Lee comment.

I'm like, that's nice, but bag doesn't punch back. Hahaha. Hahaha. Oh, shit. That was a good time. This quad brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give

your health a performance-the-at-it-edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindP pump for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from N8 Morris. Can you share some of your best tips to increase your neat throughout the day? You know what it's cool. We actually, and this will come out probably, I don't know, maybe within a week or so of this show, an interview that we did with Ben Greenfield, where we kind of touched, we did a lot of things, we talked a lot about this with him, and I

think we all collectively agreed, you know, now and where we're at in our lives and all the clients that we train that. This could arguably be one of the most important things and tips that I've ever given clients as far as overall health, wellness, longevity, and maintaining a healthy body weight. It's quality of life. Yeah, period, right? And I think the message to me and why I think I beat it

into the ground so much is that I feel like it's becoming more important every day. Every day we are creating these things that doesn't require us to get out of our fucking chair. You know, everything can be brought to us now by a nap. And the steps and the movement that neat is collectively just, you literally have to schedule it now. Yeah.

And you have to make it its own ritual. And so what I did like and you bring Ben Greenfield up as an example, example we talked about you basically just created some rules for himself when in certain situations he has certain movements that he does to make yeah to make sure he gets like a good amount of activity and exercise in and i was thinking about that i'm like wow i actually i do a very similar thing like and you know and i know you two adam had talked about like after eating dinner, you go for a walk. Or for me, when I watch TV a lot of times

we'll get into the 90, 90 position, I'll get into certain types of mobility movements instead of just sitting on the couch and laying down the whole time like why. And there's just certain things. I just feel more when I sit down like my day is done. Like I want to stay up, even if I'm just lightly moving, I'm more prone to being productive, cleaning the house, like getting other types of exercising in.

It's like a momentum build. Neat stands for non-exercise activity thermogenesis. So for people who are like, what is this? It's basically all the movement that you do that's not scheduled workout. So it's just your day, your daily activity. Now, here's the interesting thing about this, by the way, because neat tends to be done throughout the entire day, right? It's not scheduled one hour, two hour type workout. It's just stuff you do out all day long. What's interesting about this is they've actually done studies where they've compared cardio, for example,

and they'll say, okay, this group of people does an hour cardio once a day, but this group over here does 30 minutes twice a day, and they'll break it up. And what they find is the more, even though it's a total time is the same, the frequent activity tends to burn more body fat and give you better health.

Now, I noticed this with trigger sessions that we put in Maths and Abolic. Now, you can kind of classify it as neat. It's similar. It's kind of a workout as well, but it's short, eight minute, you know, little pump sessions that you do throughout the day. It's closer, in my opinion, it's closer to neat

than it's too like a heavy resistance. Yeah, because it's not intense, you know, it's throughout the day. But, you know, some of the things I noticed when I would do that was my body would get leaner, faster, of course, the muscle building and all that stuff. But here's a thing that is undersold, that needs to be sold more often.

When you move throughout the day, the thing that I noticed more than anything was the change in my mood and my energy. Yes. It's like a great cup of coffee, except it's natural and healthy. So if you, throughout the day, if your job involves a lot of sitting, if you did a ritual like every hour, I'm going to get up and I'm going to do 10 squats and 5 pushups. You know, something stupid like that, something silly like that.

Or for every hour, I'm going to get up and do a 10 minute walk five pushups. You know, something stupid like that, something silly like that. Or for every hour, I'm gonna get up and do a 10 minute walk around the building, right? So you figure you're working for, let's say for seven hours, you're working, or eight hours, right? You do 10 minutes each time, that's 70 or 80 minutes, but it's spread out throughout the entire day. And what you'll also find is after that 10 minute walk or that 10 minutes of five pushups and 10 squats, which might it won't even take 10 minutes, you'll

find that your ability to think clearly, your wakefulness, your mood, everything feels so much better. And I'll say this for general health, you know, frequent, small bouts of activity are probably better than less frequent, you know, more intense bouts of activity. And you see this with all the studies that they've done on people who live a long time. Many of them don't have scheduled workouts, but they have, their daily activity is quite high.

We were, when we were, how crazy was it when we were talking about bending as wife? That's what I was gonna say. Dude, I had no idea. I mean, if, when you see Ben's wife, she is in phenomenal shape. She's got shoulders to her. She's got, she could see her bicep vein. I mean, she, and she looks really good.

And he says she works out maybe once a week. It's because she's outside doing, you know, chopping, yeah, they live on like a farm, right? So she's carrying, carrying, bail, a hay and It's because she's outside doing, you know, chopping wood. Yeah, they live on like a farm, right? So she's carrying, it bails a hay and she's doing yard work like crazy. She works outside all day long, lifting and pulling and pushing shit. And she's got an farm fitness. And they eat so, they eat so, so good that she looks incredible, man. This so, this started for me before I even knew what neat was.

I relearned about the acronym in just the last three to four years. But years ago, I started to piece this together with my clients because it was so hard to get them to train. I trained or follow a program like I did and it was just failing. I crazy. I'm like, God, I can't even get these people to follow a program for longer than six weeks. You know, I got to start and I wasn't making an impact. And so I was like, man, I guess just like anything else, you okay? Well, that's too challenging. It's too much. I need to simplify this.

And I don't remember the trainer or the person that I met that gave me this idea way back when, but I started to implement it with all my clients. And I'd give them like this little, this little sticker pat. And, you know, I normally, and I normally pick two or three colors on there so a blue one, and these little circles, the size of a nickel. I would have them put it in certain places in their house, like one on the refrigerator, one on the TV, and just random places that I knew where they'd be sedentary or consuming or doing things like that, and then I would give them little things to do.

And not a lot. It would be like, when you go to the refrigerator and you see that blue dot, you owe me 20 body weight squats. That's it. Just knock out 20 body weight squats. Or when you sit down on the dinner table and in your eyes, you see that dot again, make sure you go for a walk for 30 minutes.

I'd give them these little tasks for them to do that I knew that were really simple things to accomplish. I did not want to say, and Ben gives some ones that are, I mean, he's like 30 burpees in this now. I know my clients wouldn't do 30 burpees in their kitchen every morning, 20 squats. And so I have the airplane. Right, so I started off really easy with some things like that.

And that's where this all started. And then, I started to play around with that myself. See, I always loved training and lifting, so I didn't really feel like I had to start doing this until I got older and we got into a job where we sit and talk on a microphone all the time. Now this is really important. And people know too that I talk about the Fitbit a lot,

and this is how I really use this tool, is I know that what looks like a active or a not active day for me. So I easily should be able to hit about 10,000 steps just by being pretty active. But a lot of times it could be as low as two or three thousand steps. Just because shit, you know, I got sucked into the computer. We had to record three episodes in a row and I was in a car. And so I just haven't fucking moved.

And so this is why I love to wear the Fitbit is for this reason right here. It's just to give me that feedback at the end of the day. I'll look at it at six o'clock at night and it's like, oh my god, I've only taken 2,000 steps. If that's the case, it is mandatory for me to go on a one hour walk. Now a lot of times Katrina comes and does it with me. And so it's a great time that we can talk and and her and I bond while I also knock out some neat. But for sure, it's a rule that I've put on myself, that if I got so busy throughout the day, I didn't make my workout, I didn't do this and my steps are that low, I need to most certainly go out and take a walk and do something like that. Think about it this way, if there was like a little gauge that you had attached your

body that showed you positive and negative and positive being, you know, burning body fat, building muscle becoming more fit, becoming more healthy, and then the negative was the opposite of all those things, right? And so throughout the day you could watch this gauge, it's, there's a ceiling to how far you can move it in the positive, like, you know, a hard workout will move it, it's about as high as it's gonna go

in terms of building muscle and burning body fat. But in terms of. Like, you know, a hard workout will move it as bad as high as it's going to go in terms of building muscle and body fat. But in terms of the negative, the ceiling is, I mean, the limit is way, way, way, way, lower. And what I mean by that is, if you lay around in bed all day long, you will lose this, just for one day, you lose a significant amount of strength, of health, of fitness, of wellness more so than if you were super active all day long and how much positive. So remember that. You can swing your body in the negative, very easy, and very quickly. And if you don't believe me, like I've used this example before, put your arm

in a cast for a week. That's it. Just one week. Put your arm in a cast. Take that cast off and look and see what your arm looks like. You will lose way more muscle than you could have built in months, you know, on percentage-wise. So that negative happens, it can happen very, very quickly. And so when you think of it that way, think of it also this way, rather than doing one or two hour hard workout and then the rest of the day being totally sedative, where you're going to swing that gauge to the positive a little bit, but now because you're so sedative all day long, it goes down the negative and it just keeps going down lower and lower and lower,

move throughout the day. And that's why these frequent bouts of activity seem to be far more effective than if you took all that time and just did it all at once. So again, if you walk for 10 minutes every hour for eight hours, that's 80 minutes of walking, you'll probably get more of a general health benefit. And maybe even a fat loss benefit than you did if you just did 80 minute walk all at once.

Because you're countering that with sitting for another nine hours versus the 10 minutes every hour, you're moving that gauge up in the positive throughout the day. And I've noticed this with working out and we can extrapolate this and move it towards, you know, we talk about resistance training, building muscle, we talk about trigger sessions. It just seems to be the case.

Now, in terms of how to increase your need, here's another really easy one. Just make, we've heard this so many times, right? Park your car further in the parking lot. Take the stairs instead of the elevator. Like silly things like this throughout the day do make a difference. And it's not just the calorie burn,

because I know when people think, oh, well, how many calories could that possibly burn? Well, I mean, we could play a game too. No, it's stimulus for your muscles. For your whole body. You know, so when you get to work, park far away. When you, you know, go to the grocery, when you're going to a department store, take the stairs.

Like do these little things throughout the day and those things make a big difference. Huge difference. When you do them every single day. They add up, I mean, something right now I'm doing and I know again, the trigger sessions is not considered need to be considered somewhat exciting, but I lean towards more, being like neat

because it is so easy. Right now you've got the sharks and the warriors and playoff, so that's just an incredible time for me to be watching TV or sitting on my ass. So, and we don't talk about this a lot, a lot of people don't know this. In my opinion, the rubber band, it's sort of the best bands in the business.

It comes with a door hinge thing and it comes with a handle and a couple different band, three different band sizes and resistance. And I keep those literally all the time hung over this door that's a closet right down by my downstairs TV. And when I'm sitting for three hours watching playoff games and things like that, just every commercial break or you know at half time I get up and I get these little trigger sessions that I get in between and man it makes a fucking huge difference than just because what people don't attribute is that so let's say when you are sitting down and you're just resting on the couch you start your heart rate starts to come real low right you get so you get

relax settles down and then you get up and you go do like a trigger session that literally is three minutes during the commercial. Well, yeah, you get a little bit of the calorie burn right there that you burnt that in that three minutes, which is not huge and people will be like, oh, how much is it like you said, so we can get into the whole semantics of it, whatever. But then you also sit down and your body still is working. The heart rate is still elevated.

It's gotta work to bring it back down. There's an after effect to that that's super beneficial too. I love using it as, I was on a podcast a long time ago that was about improving cognitive function and they interviewed me about exercise. And I said, hey, one of the best things you could do, if you're, especially if you're in a creative field, where you're having to come up with ideas

or you're writing blogs or you're writing content or you're a programmer, one of writing content or you're a programmer. One of the best things you can do to stimulate your mind is to get up and move for five to 10 minutes and then sit back down and watch what happens. It was, it's what I do that every time I write. Every time I write, if I find them stuck, I get up, either go for a walk or do a trigger session

and it's like I took a new tropic or it took something. And I sit back down a moral wake and I'm sharper. You can do this before a talk. You know, if you have a speech you're gonna give, before you do your schoolwork, if you're in college, and you're fucking studying your ass off, and you know you have about vinyl coming up. Yeah.

And you got three hours of studying to go. Every 30 minutes, every 40 minutes or whatever, do five minutes of exercise, sit back down and watch how much more information you're able to retain that you're studying, you're learning. It makes a massive difference. And this is really what it's all about. And you just structure this throughout the day.

At worst, at worst, you can literally just set an alarm on your phone and four times a day, it goes off and you know when it goes off, you need to move for five minutes and you can, your choice, do what you want to do for four minutes, at worst you can do that. And what ends up happening over time is, it's like anything, like nutrition or like anything else, you have to schedule it, you have to track it,

and it eventually kind of becomes a part of your, you know, just what you do. And now I find myself doing that more often, like when we're having a meeting and we're sitting with, you know, our marketing team for three hours, I find myself now, if I start to find that I can't retain information or start a loose focus, I stand up, I stretch, I move, and it just become a part of my routine.

Next question is from Stephen Nas. Should men and women be at a certain body fat percentage range before entertaining the idea of bulking. In a previous episode, you guys indicated a guy at 18% body fat has no business bulking and that being in a caloric surplus at that body fat could actually be catabolic. Can you discuss this further? I would be interested in the advice you would give a male who is 18% body fat and whose goal is to build a muscular physique.

Well, first I want to correct it. Yeah, what does it mean you're going to be catapult? No. It doesn't mean that at all. If you're in a surplus, you're anabolic. So, you're anabolic. Anabolic doesn't always necessarily mean you're building muscle, right? It could be in your putting fat on your body, too. I mean, if you're, let's say you're, if you're an 18% body fat, which isn't super low, but not super high either. And you are trying, let's say you're in a power lifter, you're a strength athlete and there's no weight class. Well, bulking benefit you? Probably you're gonna get stronger,

you're gonna put on more muscle, you put on more body fat too. But most people, and this is more of a problem for men than women. Like most guys, when they want to put on muscle and size, I don't think they realize how much bigger they look when they're leaner. So they stay in this bulk season forever

where their body fat starts to creep above 20% and they're like, no, no, I'm bulking right now. And it's like, you would actually, you'd do better if you got a little leaner first and then tried to put on size because you would look a lot bigger. You know, that's always been my approach. Well, it just depends on, like you said, I think you hit it perfect,

which is if you're a power lifter, you don't care if you're, you don't mind carrying a little bit extra body fat percentage on you, you're happy with that weight. Then there, then that's different, right? But if you're somebody who's coming to me and you're like, your goals are aesthetics, like you're like, I want to look a certain way. And you're trying to be shredded. You want to be ripped. I want to live in your magazine. If that's what your goal is, and you're considering bulking, and you're 18% body fat, yeah, no,

I don't think that's a smart strategy at all. I think it's a bad strategy, completely. But if you were powerlifting or a linemen, or I don't know, there's a lot of sports and things that you could be where it's advantageous to be kind of thick, and it's better that you're probably thick and maybe a little bit more body fat than to be super, super lean.

So it really depends on the person's goal. And I think we wanted to address that the whole 18% body fat and being silly trying to bulk like that if your main goal is looks. And since that's a majority of people that are talking about body fat percentage, I don't ever have power lifters talk to me about body fat percentage, I don't ever have power lifters talk to me about body fat percentage. I've never had a power lifter like, oh, I'm like at 16.

About the metrics of what they're putting up. Yeah, they have to, I mean, they have to make a weight class. And so that's their concern, but they could give two shits if they're up or down two or three percent body fat if their strength is going up. And so that person, sure, if you want a bulk, but most people that use terms like body fat percentage

in bulking are body builder or aspiring competitors or people that are interested in this. Yeah, that are interested in looking at certain ways. Here's something else you want to also consider. If you do lose some of that muscle building effect when you stay in a surplus consistently for a long time. So one of the most anabolic things that you can ever do, where you'll notice like a huge return, is if you go in a deficit for a little while and then you go back on your bulk.

Right. I mean your body rebounds and like if you've never dieted for a long period of time and then gone and tried to build muscle, you have no idea what I'm talking about. But if you've done it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Like the most muscle building, anabolic feeling you'll ever have in your entire life is when you come out of a relatively long period of being in a calorie deficit, and then you throw in some extra food and calories

and then go do your workout, it feels incredible. I've never taken a pro hormone or designer sterile that can compare. You know, after when I got my body fat down to, I got down like 5% or something like that, then I went in and started eating more food and lifting weights. It was like magic time, here I go and I'm lifting weights and it's like, muscle is just coming on like crazy. One piece of advice I always give people who main goal is to gain muscle

is to be in a surplus for a week or two and make sure you throw in a few days of deficit, throw in some deficit days or maybe even a fast and then go back to eating in a surplus, you know, and watch what happens to your body. But, you know, the old mentality used to be gain as much weight as possible and then carve down the body and get lean. So they would be this period of like, you know, eating a shit ton and then carve down the body and get lean. So they would be this period of like, you know, eating a shit ton and then we're going to diet now for 12 weeks to reveal the body

underneath. And you have to like take into account how much progress did you actually make with that approach? I mean, you gained a lot of mass, but then when you shred back down and you compare the lean muscle of what you were previous to that. How significant is that? Oh, what you see is you see people put on all this, they put on 20, 30 pounds and it's almost an even split of fat and muscle. It's their lucky. Yeah, if they're lucky.

Sometimes it's more, a lot of times it's more fat. And even when it is, like let's say it's an, because it's inevitable when you bulk aggressively like people that are in higher body fat percentages tend to do, it's inevitable you're going to put on body fat and you're going to put on a decent amount. So if you added 10 pounds or 20 pounds and 50% of it is fat and only and 50% of it is muscle and then you switch gears and you go to an aggressive lean out or cut or get ready for show what you're going to do. A lot of these guys do. They end up losing, you know, 19 of those 20 pounds and kept one one pound of muscle. It's like you did all of that pounds and kept one pound of muscle. It's like, you did all of that just to gain one pound of muscle

that was so extreme. So much work. So much work, so extreme, so much food, so much stress on the body. All that one. That's why we wanted to distill it down to that because it's like, you know, if you do like a more reasonable approach with this, like you say,

like we're trying not to do these excessive books because we're just trying to gradually increase, you may actually exceed that one extra pound of lean muscle. I mean, all this stuff is what I really got into when I was competing. I loved really hacking this and really like tracking volume and strategically barely progressing myself from show over show over show and watching myself literally change my physique and see it grow. If I just, okay, I wanna put more shoulders on me.

Oh, okay, I want more quads. And then being able to know that, what I wanna do, and then what I've been doing, and then to build upon that, I mean, you can very much so, very mathematically figure this shit out. And I think that people get caught up and what they see a lot of these bodybuilders

that post on Instagram, it's bulking season or it's shredding season and they... Don't do what they do. No, don't, it's not, they're not like you. No, they're not at all. And it's not a good strategy, man. I don't give a shit how awesome the guy looks on stage just because he can make it work, doesn't mean it's the,

there's a lot of ways to skin a cat, right? Doesn't mean that this is the most ideal way for the average person who's, especially if you're natural. I had a wake up call years ago through this where I did this really aggressive bulk. And you know, we, I'm in fitness, so we do body fat test calipers. And I remember I get my body,

I don't remember what my body fat percentage was, but I remember, I knew what it was before I started the bulk and then I tested afterwards. And then I did the math. And I think I gained like 17 pounds on the scale. And I was, it was very disheartening to see that of that 17, of that 17 pound, something like 12 pounds of body fat.

So I gained all this weight for five pounds of lean body mass. And here's the worst part. When I cut down and got lean again, I lost everything. I lost the body fat and most of the muscle that I gained. It was this long period of time. And I was like, and you know, here's another thing you want to consider. If you put on, if you gain on your body, anybody, just five to eight pounds of lean body mass, it's significant.

People can tell. You can really tell. I've, I recently have put on, I've probably gained about eight pounds on the scale. And I'd say probably six pounds of it's lean body mass. So two pounds of body fat, about six pounds of muscle. People who are approaching me at paleo effects, like, dude, what are you doing, man? It's not that big of a difference, but lean body mass shows up that way with shape and with the way you look.

You don't need to gain shit tons of weight on the scale to make that big of an impact. And if you take your shirt off and you look in the mirror and you're like, well, I'm bigger but I don't look more muscular. You know, you got to ask yourself. What I had to question're like, well, I'm bigger but I don't look more muscular. You know, you gotta ask yourself a question. What did the fear that guys have, that are at least that I had, was when I was trying to quote unquote bulk, is that be, like, let's say for me,

and I've talked about this before, that I needed like five, six thousand calories. So I got day one, six thousand calories, day two, fifty, five hundred, day three, six thousand, day four, five thousand, then day five, fuck, just couldn't, busy, couldn't get there, 2,500 calories. Oh shit, I see the scale dropped, three pounds.

Holy fuck, I did that muscle that I was working for. Three of it just went off and then stuffing my face afterwards or before I go to bed, I'm like shoving all these tacos or whatever I could in my mouth. So I don't lose this weight the next day, but it doesn't work that way. You know what I'm like shoving all these tacos or whatever I could in my mouth, so I don't lose this weight the next day And but it doesn't work that way you know I'm saying like oh that that scale fluctuation that you see that up and down Most of that is water weight or the actual food that you have inside your body. It is not Body fat or muscle that you're seeing swing that hard. Now. I do want to say something here now

We're talking about mostly about guys because I rarely ever see a woman who I'm here, now we're talking mostly about guys because I rarely ever see a woman who stays in the bulking for too long. It's usually guys, so I'll say this to the women. Girls cut too long. Yeah, a lot of you will benefit from eating a surplus. Many of you will benefit greatly from being in a surplus because you're always so worried about.

One of my favorite things to do with female clients, too. Yeah, because a female client that comes to me and she goes, I wanna lose 20 pounds, and then I go, okay, cool, track your food. Let's see what you're at. And then I tell her to eat more, and she's like, whoa, he's saying, you know you heard me, right? I wanna lose weight, right?

You want me to eat more food? I'm like, yeah, we're gonna eat more food. And then all of a sudden, they build a little bit of muscle and things start to shape out. And this happens because I know it fucks with a lot of their heads, and I always will tell them, I'd like you to do this for a little bit longer, but if it's really struggle for you mentally, because you're seeing the scale go up right now,

even though I'm telling you that you're looking good and you're doing fine, and our metabolism is starting to ramp up and I like the direction we're going, but if you're having a really hard time mentally with it, I can show you what you've done already. And then I'll drop them a couple hundred calories for a few days in a row, and all of a sudden, they see this,

the scale come down. And as you see that, like that's, you're fine. We're okay. We can do, we have that control anytime we want now. And so I love to teach that with my family. Next question is from Rogue N7. I work seven days on, seven days off, 15 hour shifts, including a bus ride.

This doesn't leave enough time on work days to do full maps, black foundational workouts. I've got about 30 minutes and if I go longer, it cuts into my sleep, which is six and a half hours on a good day, but usually five hours. That's so late, prison. Yeah, don't, don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't replace sleep for exercise. No, so don't do that. So this is a very non-common situation.

This is a special situation. So in this case, I'm gonna make some recommendations that are specific to you. Because I like this question, because even though this is really rare that somebody has a swing shift. What was this called? No, I think a swing is like a between a night,

which we'll call it, right? Swing is the between the regular nine to five and then the night shift, right? That's what a swing shift is. The seven on seven off those, why I wanted to answer this, because even though that's an extreme, I know a lot of firefighters, and I know a lot of, like some run three on, three off,

do you think that? Yeah, a lot of firefighters. And so I think the message, even though it could be, it's gonna be a little bit different, the overall message that we would say to all those people is probably somewhere the same, which South had it right away.

Never would I trade working out for sleep. I mean, that is not gonna benefit. That's a bigger rock. I mean, we just recently talked about, Ben Greenfield's wife, who doesn't lift weights, but once a week it looks fucking phenomenal. So you don't need to train, you know, every other day just to look great. And you definitely don't want to be doing that if your body is taxed already from a 15 hour day and only five hours of sleep.

I would say the week that you work, I would just be active, maybe do a 15 minute light workout on those days, and then on the seven days off, that's when you hit it hard, then you get more sleep, so make sure you get more sleep, you eat really good, and then I would go after it in the gym, and I would go after it hard enough where it would take me the following seven days to kind of recover and do mobility and stuff like that. And so basically what it's gonna look like for you is a week of harder, longer workouts with more sleep and a week of less sleep because you're working so much

with short, 15, 20 minute low intensity type workouts. And I think the body will probably respond, okay, doing it that way. I actually think, honestly, I mean, if you're following like a maps protocol, which is typically a three to four day, a week type of a routine, I mean, I think he could actually work,

work out six days a week on the days up when he has his days off and get close to the same benefits as if he was, here's the thing, time is made up. Time doesn't exist, people, it doesn't, doesn't work that way. So if you looked at it like a overarching thing of this, okay, instead of looking at seven, it doesn't, doesn't work that way. So if you looked at it like a overarching thing of this, okay, instead of looking at it seven, seven and seven, look at it over the next 30 days, your total workouts. And so anyone who's watched my

institute or you've just seen me go day one, day two, day three, I'm on like day 16 or something like that. Like it's not following a two day a week, a three day, a week, a four day, a week type of a regimen, I'm just counting up all of the times I get a chance to work out this month. And when I look at this coming up next month, I'll go back and I'll look at the total volume that I made that I did in that month and I'll slightly build upon it this month going forward. And that might look like one week I might just be on it and get five days and five days I might work out and then we might go travel to Austin And I might only work out one day, which is what happened

But it won't stop me from building upon the volume that I created from the previous month Which is the same way that I would coach and treat someone like this is I wouldn't look at it as a week to week thing I would look at it as more like a monthly snapshot and look at your total amount of workouts that you accomplished in that month. And I would slowly build upon that and I would take advantage of the days that I have off of work to actually get that to increase that. The thing to consider is context matters. So what happens I think a lot of times in situations like this is people will say, you know,

isn't it less ideal to work out that way? Wouldn't it be more ideal if I could do three, but in this situation, it wouldn't be. Right, right. You know what I mean? Context matters. In this situation, you're working 15 hour days, seven days a week, you're getting maybe

six and a half, five to six and a half hours of sleep a day on those days, which is not much. Most people need at least seven or closer to eight. So, and the context of this, it wouldn't be more beneficial to try and follow the normal protocol. It'd be more beneficial for you to follow an abbreviated one or something that's a little more specific to you, like the one we just explained.

So context matters quite a bit. You know, it's funny because people will hear what's ideal and they'll think, oh, I have to do this right right ideal Max, I don't I've ever seen yeah instead of like rearranging and restructuring what you know You can actually accomplish based off of like you know the term the determining schedule and the way that everything's arranged and You know and you you can still treat like the the days in between if you do a lighter or moderate workout, you can still hit those same movements just to keep that signal alive.

And just look at it a little bit differently. And because your body's already super stressed and you're in a position now where this is the almost active recovery and then we go right back into the meat of the workouts, you know, the following week. Yeah, who was, I think it was Paul that told us, we had an interview with Paul,

while we were in Paleo with a lot of great information. Great to talk about stress. But he, you know, he said, you know, if you're a trainer, when you coach, what you really are is you understand how to apply and, you know, manipulate stress, because that's what exercise is.

I'm applying a stress on your body, your body responds, reacts, adapts, build muscle, burn body fat, whatever. But you have to also understand that there's a lot of other stresses that you're playing with. And so your job as a trainer is to know when to apply the right amount of stress and to look at the context of the individual.

In this particular situation, when you're working for seven days, 15 hours a day and you're not getting much sleep, there's already a lot of stress being thrown on your body. So knowing that, I'm only going to be, I only have enough room for a little bit of stress, a little bit of, a 15 minute, 20 minute mobility sessions. But then the seven days where you're off, where you can sleep nine hours if you want, you can cook your meals, you can relax a little bit more, you can devote more time to working out, you can recover faster.

Well, now I know I've got more stress I can play with. And so rather than your situation, it's going to look like, although the stress levels are high each time, one week a lot, most of your stress is coming from working lack of sleep and the next week it's coming from your workouts. And that's pretty much it. Just manage it and play with it based on your context. And that'll be the best scenario or situation that you can do for yourself. Otherwise, you know, of course a better scenario will be more consistent on a weekly basis. But if you try to apply that philosophy to yourself with your current schedule, you will crash and burn promise. And I think it's important too that if you're not giving you like a reason to just like,

oh, cool, the guy said, I don't need to do anything on those seven days because I'm not getting whatever. Like learn to look at each one of these days. Like you know if it's a lot of movement at work, you know if you've been sentery. And that's how I would decide if I'm going to do some trigger sessions or do any more activity as based off of what that looks like. I do this all the time where I'm planned like today. I planned a lift today, but let's say today, like we ended up having to get up at four in the morning

and we had to go do a bunch of shit and we're moving around, and it's like one o'clock time, which is when I would probably try and get my workout in. And I looked down and I'm like, man, I'm tired. I didn't get very much sleep last night. We've already got like 12, 15,000 steps in. And even though I was planning to get my workout, I might not work out.

I might go, you know what? I'll work out tomorrow. I'll work out tomorrow. I've already applied a stress to my body today. I already lacked a little bit of sleep. I already moved more than normal. Even though my workout was planned, if I was gonna take off a date,

this is not a bad day to take off. And now I'll just move that workout that I was planning on doing that day over to the next day when I know that I'm definitely not going to get up that early. I'm going to have adequate, sweet sleep, and I'm probably not going to move very much. So, you know, that's... And the irony of it is you better results. Right. You actually build more muscle and burn more body fat.

That's true. And get bit stronger. Next question is from Horork Q. As Mind Pump continues to grow and become bigger, more successful and more stressful, will the studio adopt the University of Utah's solution and install a cry closet? And cry closet? Who's first? Did you hear about the hell that?

You haven't seen this? So the university is hilarious. Maybe Doug can pull up the article. Yeah, did you hear about the hell's that? You haven't seen this? So the university is hilarious. Maybe Doug can pull up the article. Yeah, pull it up. Yeah, pull it up. What the fuck? This is hilarious. The, it started as a project.

I think it was like that. What it was? I think a student did it almost like it was, I don't think they intended it for a turn, turn out the way it really turned out. It's like a joke that just like took off. It was a student project they did, and I don't know if they were testing a hypothesis or whatever,

but it really started to gain some traction, and now it's become this thing where they have kept it on the campus, and I think they're already talking about certain places are starting to follow suit. We'll see when we go through. Yeah, let's see. So the idea is that they built this, stand alone, call it right there. There's the picture of it right there. And I think you're allowed.

It's meant to provide, like soundproof at least. Look at this. The space is meant to provide a place for students, studying for finals to take a short 10 minute break. So they have a special closet in the middle of a library. It looks like that they call the cry closet. You know, what are we doing, man?

I don't know. What are we doing? We're going to, listen, these are the fucking future leaders of Zahar, we're supposed to deal with. We're fucked. We're going to be so fucked if this is- It's stress. Yeah, if kids like this, you grow up thinking every time they're a little bit stressed

out or a little sad or whatever that they need, and by the way, inside the closet, they're stuffed out. They're folks with such a crazy, like, emotional outbursts. Yeah, there's stuffed animals and shit in there too. You can't make comfortable.

They're safe spaces. They're safe spaces and safe zones and schools and what are we preparing these kids for? Corporate jobs don't do this shit. Could you imagine you go work for a company and You're like to your boss is like listen you did a bad job You you didn't do the report the right way whatever and you're like where's the where's the room? I could go cry and like excuse me what it what is the rules say Doug? I can't read him from here

It says rules of the the cry closet There's rules don't talk about the cry closet. minutes in there. A safe place for stressed out students, otherwise known as the cry closet, the space is meant to provide a place for students studying for finals, take a 10 short time in a break, rules of the closet knock before entering. I know what I do in that closet, if I was in there, I'd like me and my girlfriend to go to the closet shaking. What's going on there? You go in here and cry for a second my girlfriend need to go. The closet's shaking. What's going there? We need to go in here and cry for a second.

I need to cry real hard. Hey, what is it? What is the second one? You're just one person in the closet. Yeah, fuck. It's your fuck cause a rule dude. At a time. Oh, but we actually need to come for it.

Oh, I need to come for it. Maybe I could do some alone time. Limit your time in the closet to no more than 10 minutes. Turn, what does that say? Turn lights. Yeah, turn lights and timer off before leaving. There's a timer. Sounds like time out.

Yeah, it does sound like time out. Yeah, use, what does that, what does that word say? Hashtag Cry Closet, U of U, if posting on social media. Oh, so they encourage you to share it. Oh, you're a share that you're doing that? Wow. Why would you? I can't be a joke. No, no, no, whatever share it. Share it that you're doing that. Wow. Why? Why would you? I can't be a joke. No, no, no, whatever. Let's get to the

hashtag right now. This has got to be a joke. No, no, no, let's look at the hashtag. Doug, give me the hashtag one more time, please. Yeah, it's cry closet. You of you. University of Utah. You know, here's a thing. People get stressed out. There's difficult situations. There's nothing wrong with, you know, being thing. People get stressed out. There's difficult situations. There's nothing wrong with being sad or crying or stressed out, but people aren't gonna always provide for you the tools to deal with the shit.

Does that make sense? So like, you're not gonna be in a situation where a school's gonna provide you with a closet to cry in or a safe space or whatever. So these kids, they've learned, they've learned how to shit themselves. I gotta read this for you. So I'm looking at all, so there's a lot of,

not a lot, there's the handful about 50 or so, people already starting to use this. And this is a, you know, person posting on their, their post or an Instagram hashtag, Cry Closet University, whatever. Is a bold new form of self-care. I'm going to form an NGO and place these cry boxes where people can use them. Nothing is harder than being a rich American in college.

This will compliment the yoga and beauty I plan to bring there, bring there my nonprofit helping hands international. It's got to be a joke. Yeah. This is a very sarcastic. I think they're making fun of the, the whole, you know, like super sensitive millennial. Well, there's a very sarcastic. I think they're making fun of the whole, you know, like super sensitive millennial. Well, there's a whole blog on it. I hope so. There's a whole blog on it at this kid wrote the picture that Doug just showed of him. And I don't

know, dude, I don't think it's a joke, too. I think it's a joke, but I think it's a joke based on. It's a reflection on parenting, I mean, let's be honest. Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, I mean, when you're a comedian, don't go to colleges anymore to perform. A lot of them don't. It's crazy. Because the students get so offended with,

did you, okay, here, here's a good example of, and partially, I blame the ability for anybody to have a voice nowadays. So now, you know, idiots can say what they want to say. Bro, this is very real. Here's a tweet from a news reporter who actually interviewed him on Channel 5 for his cry closet.

He can't believe the response that he's getting. It's pretty true. It's pretty true. So did you guys hear about this? There was a girl that went to prom and she took prom pictures and posted a picture of herself wearing, like Asian themed dress, okay?

Very nice looking type of dress. God's can be cultural appropriation. Yes, some dudes like, how dare you use our culture, steal our culture for you or whatever, whatever. And what the fuck? And he did get hammered. He got hammered on Twitter by other people. But really, you're gonna, yeah.

You know what, you used to call it back in the day? That was like flattering. Oh, you like our style and you want to. Oh nice, you like our style, yeah. Yeah, cool, like it's, it's like nice look on you. Dude, go to any restaurant in America, find one that's fucking original American food. I know, you know what I'm saying?

Oh, it's silly. That's all Mexican food is really Mexican food. It's like one. It's, it's, yeah, I don't know, it's weird. I feel like everybody's getting their feelings hurt all the time. And that's exactly what it is. And that's what this is, this is encouraging it. It's not that I have, I have a problem with people like spending time, like getting their feelings hurt

and crying about it. Like that's a normal, like human emotion. It's just that we're encouraging, like there's this, like physical space where we need to just, ah, like, become, I don't know, like we're not dealing with it in a way where it's productive. Like it's just, it seems like it's more regressive than progressive.

Well, why do we need to cry in a closet? Just toughen up a little bit. Just toughen up. Why do we need to cry in a closet? I mean, why not cry? Have you got to cry? Just cry. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I think of how much healthier that probably is to be able to teach yourself, to be able to cry in public when you have hiding from other people seeing you. Right. Then that's what I think is a problem is we're feeding into this isolated culture of that we only connect and talk to each other via hashtag. isolated culture of, you know, that we only connect and talk to each other via hashtag. Go cry on your closet and hashtag it

and talk about it there because it's too weird to actually cry in public and talk to your friends about. Oh, you're so right. Like, you know, I could talk about it on social media but I can't talk to physical people. That's what I mean. That's why I think this is stupid and ridiculous. Well, here's what I think too aggressive.

I don't, look, when we were younger, and now, even now, it's grown up. But by the way, we're actually having one installed next week, yeah. Doug cries a lot. Yeah, Adam's fault. Taylor, you'd be the first one to use it by the end. I'm 100% Taylor.

Taylor, Taylor, oh my God. Don't, well, Mr. Sensitive. Here's what I'm gonna say. I know when I was younger, and we're like this now as men, but when I was younger with my buddies, something that men do this in particular, we test each other, and we fuck with each other, and we play pranks on each other, and we make you stronger.

And you know what we're doing? We're trying to see if you can handle some people call that bullying. That's what it's all nowadays. They do, it's just crazy to me. That's what it's called nowadays, but you know, that's my friends and I do it forever ever since I was a little kid.

And you just learn how to navigate through it and deal with it. And you understand the intent behind what people say. And that's where we're like, we're completely just disregarding people's intent anymore. And we're taking everything at face value of just like word said. Dude, I have a cousin whose nickname is Bones because he's skinny, right? That was, so this day we call him Bones.

That's his nickname. You know, how many kids today, if they, you know, came to hang out with their friends and they're like, hey, what's up Bones? Oh my God. Crickles. You know, he call me Bones, I can. It's, what's's a short stack.

Look, if you're being spirited and all that, I get that. But life is fucked. It can be hard. You gotta learn how to toughen up a little bit, man. You don't always have a cryclobs at the go-to. Do you think this is something that we've evolved? Nature will tell you to have inside of us to test to see, like, all the way back to like,

okay, here's four of us in this room right now. And we're gonna have inside of us to like to test to see like also going all the way back to like, okay, here's four of us in this room right now. And, you know, we're gonna have some of us are gonna have to hunt and kill. Yep. And I wanna know that. That's the theory. Is that the theory? That's the theory that, especially among men,

we test each other to see how we'll handle stressful situation. And when we see that you can, you can think about it this way. When you meet a new, when you meet a new guy, let's say you're with your group of friends and a new guy comes into the group and People start poking at him. The way he handles it will determine whether or not everybody except him

That's it. If he can handle the joke and he can give it back to you and everybody laughs and nobody gets offended We do that. I see a whole thing. But if he's that guy Yeah, if he's that guy that comes in and you make a joke and he gets a little offended and huffy and like Everybody's like, I see you later. And it's because you're taking these for sure going to get eaten. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's a two-tankers going to have a lunch.

Yeah, that pussy's getting eaten for sure. Oh, shit. They're demonstrating that they can't handle those stressful situations. This is all parenting's fault. I mean, parents do everything for their kids now. They don't let them get hurt. They don't let them keep score because God forbid they lose.

Everybody did a great job. That's negative. Always, always positive. Everybody did a great job. Listen, when my kids do a bad job, I'm not gonna lie to them. I'm not gonna be like, yeah, listen, you were super lazy.

Did they don't learn shit? I'm gonna tell them, like, listen, you know why you got a bad grade? Cause you didn't fucking study and you're acting lazy't learn shit. I'm gonna tell them, like listen, you know, you know why you got a bad grade? Cause you didn't fucking study and you're acting lazy. And so I'm not gonna tell them, like, well, you did a good job. Maybe go to the closet. Maybe go to the closet and cry a little bit.

They come back, talk to dad. You did a shitty job. That's okay too, that you did a shitty job. Just, you got face reality. You did a shitty job. Oh, your team lost. Your team lost. You know why you lost?

Cause you're the other one better. The other team was better. More practice. Yeah, just deal with that. That's reality. This is real. Now, what are you gonna do with that? Oh, your team lost your team lost. You know why you lost because the other is done better the other team was better more practice Yeah, just just deal with that. That's reality. This is real now. What are you gonna do with that? So you're I'm seeing like I'm reading his Instagram There's like all these students that are supporting him and jumping on board like what a brilliant idea Anybody who's gone through school right now and finals knows how hard and crazy and challenging it is And so what I think of like this is like, okay, and okay, I didn't finish college,

so this is really tough for me to speak on it, maybe Justin can chime in more because he finished. But I can't imagine that, you know, finals is the toughest thing that you're going to face in real life. In fact, I can't even think of finals being in the top five or 10 things being that you're going to face in the real world. Yeah.

I mean, would you say that Justin or do? Absolutely. I mean, it's enough to say that finals isn't hard because it was hard. It was grueling, right? And on top of that, like me, just, I don't know, I had like a job on top of that and I also played football and I just had like a lot. I had a lot going on. There's plenty of opportunity for mental breakdown. But I just looking back at it,

there's all this extra time. Everything is about you. What's the worst that's gonna happen? I gotta explain to my parents that I did poorly on this final. Oh, shit! Come on. Sack up.

It's an exhibition. It's an exhibition. It's an exhibition. It's an exhibition. It's an exhibition. poorly on this final. Oh, shit! You know, like, come on. Sack up. Yeah, this is, I agree. It's an exhibition. It's like an art installation that they put up, but it is for use.

But it's a reflection of kind of the temperature at the universities where people get, it can't handle alternate opinions, they can't handle. What's great proving ground? I mean, everybody has to go through a process of like, I don't know, like adversity. Yeah, it's an adversity for me. Like I look at my journey,

like even just leaving out of my comfort zone and going to Chicago, itself has been insanely hard. Like that was like, it's almost like a man's journey, if it's a woman's journey, like whatever it is, like it's all about becoming who you are,

like you have to understand what it takes to make it on your own and be an individual. And, you know, when we coddle this whole process, you never really gets to understand that. You never get to find who you really are gonna be. Yeah, yeah. And with that, if you go to the app store, you can download the MindPump Media app

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