Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 764: How to Increase Number of Pull-Ups, How to Improve Olympic Lifts, Running & Muscle Loss & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Motherfuckin' Mind Puff! That's right, Motherfuckin'! For the first time you started all of that, we go right into it. Sal's, uh, his daughter's stand-up, please be my mother and Sal, it was such a sweet story. Yeah, we talked about my daughter's standard routine

Starting point is 00:00:26 at the talent show. A lot of crying going on between you two bitches lately. It would have been crying at the explode. Hey man. Hey. I know if we see it, we ever see Adam cry. All right, I can't wait. Video TV.

Starting point is 00:00:37 He breaks the nail. We talk about fear and courage. We talk about the outliers in society and why we identify with some of them. We talk about Kanye and the black male approval of Trump, new study just came out, or Rooters poll shows that Trump's approval rate among black men has doubled. Is that the Kanye effect?

Starting point is 00:00:57 Crazy. We talk about the origin of my interest in politics and we talk about the economics of war. We also mentioned orgasmified, excuse me, organified. Hey, it's getting interesting. Got a good commercial for you today. Listen, green juice may just increase the volume

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Starting point is 00:01:34 The first question was, this female weight lifter is having trouble getting to do her first chin-up. Pull-ups is her weakness. She's been doing negatives, band and box assisted pull-ups and scat pulls and other kinds of variations and doesn't seem to be able to do a pull-up. We give her the secret in this episode. You'll be able to do a pull-up in no time. You're welcome.

Starting point is 00:01:55 The next question was, what are our thoughts on combining resistance training with running? Now, this person likes the lift weights but also with running. Now this person likes the Lefoyts, but also enjoys running. Finds it therapeutic. How much running each week is too much? It's like I'm in the redheads, I'm in the blondes. Ah, I can't decide. You can have them all.

Starting point is 00:02:16 Ah! The next question was, is it possible to integrate a map program with an Olympic lifting program? Okay, so do we have a map program that with an Olympic lifting program. So do we have a Maps program that would complement Olympic lifting? The answer is yes, Maps Prime, 100%. Here is kind of break it down and break down Olympic lifting.

Starting point is 00:02:35 In this episode, by the way, Maps Prime, you can find on our website, mindpumpmedia.com. And the next question was, which one of us, I guess this question was between Adam Justin, myself, and Doug, has the most lean body mass. We get into discussion about lean body mass when people bulk or when they cut. And are they really succeeding or are they just losing muscle and gaining body fat? We did a little pinch test, you know what I'm saying? Also, this month, I didn't bring the numbers out. I had to pull the calculator out and figure it out. We did a little pinch test, you know what I'm saying? Also, this month, Saladin bring the numbers out, I have to be pulled to calculator,

Starting point is 00:03:06 I'm figuring it out. I won, he used to calculate it. He was doing mine. He's like, oh fuck, that's more than I weigh, fuck his kids. I won, we're gonna skip past this idea. 10 inches was the biggest. Then, oh, by the way, this month, you get, for free,

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Starting point is 00:03:45 without proper nutrition. Let's break it down. That's right, there's a fourth one there. Yeah, that was a fourth. Let's be honest here. It's bonus. Can you get sexy, hot, and lean with poor nutrition at them? No, absolutely not.

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Starting point is 00:04:10 Gone. And I don't know all about that. We want to include those nutrition components for free because that's such an integral part of getting leaner. So again, to be clear this month, enrolling any maps bundle, you'll get the Intuitive Nutrition Guide and the Fasting Guide thrown in for absolute free to get those programs and to learn about them, just go to MindPumpMedia.com. Dude, yesterday was the big day. Yesterday was? Yes. What do you mean? What happened? show? Oh, did you guys watch the video? No, did you send it to us? Yes?

Starting point is 00:04:48 Might have not come through Dude I can't wait to show you girl do so So you know, I'm gonna sound like a jerk talking crap about other kids Whatever you got you got an awesome bias just the way it is yeah Just the way it is. You got to awesome bias. Just the way it is. 99.9% of the talent show acts. You remember my daughter's in second grade.

Starting point is 00:05:10 And then this was the, she was the, one of the youngest. I think the youngest was second grade and then you got, they went all the way up to eighth grade. Yeah. 99.9% of them, Kate falls under three categories. Singing, dancing, or playing an instrument.

Starting point is 00:05:25 So that's everything. Everybody goes down there and does one of those things. Here comes my little daughter, my little adorable daughter, with her dress that she picked out and her little boots. She gets behind the mic. And she's expecting a dance. And she does a fucking comedy show. I love it.

Starting point is 00:05:40 My second grade little girl goes up there and tells jokes and everybody laughed. I had all these parents come up to me afterwards and we're commenting on her. So check out the learning. She's a natural. So great. Check out the and she definitely gets that from her dad. Because her mom's not funny at all. But at least not on purpose. So she, uh, when we were going there to do the thing, she's like nervous, you could tell, she's nervous. Her little, I was picking her up and stuff

Starting point is 00:06:09 and her little armpits were sweating her hands or sweating so. Did you write the jokes for her? No, we went through them and she bounced off, she bounced off, where did she get her coat? Where did she get her stuff from? Come on, do I tell stupid jokes all the time? So obviously from, he's got plenty of bad material.

Starting point is 00:06:22 You know what, the best joke was? What? What's red and bad for your teeth Red and bad for your teeth a brick Great so anyway just straight to the punch line. Yeah, she walks out and right away She tells a joke and she you know people are laughing But anyway when we're getting ready for this thing She's just being honest with me, you know, and she's tell she's nervous. I'm like, how do you feel?

Starting point is 00:06:45 And she's like, my knees are shaking. So like, oh, I've pulled her a little girl. That she's super nervous. Yeah. So I said, she goes, I don't think I'm, I don't, do you think that's the first time she's ever felt that feeling? Think about that. Maybe, or the first time she was aware of that, right?

Starting point is 00:06:59 Right. I mean, the fact that's so cool that she has that awareness that you could have that conversation. Yeah, so I'm, she's she's I'm like this is a great Opportunity to teach because she's feeling nervous. Yeah, and so she's like she said something like I don't think I don't think I'm very courageous and I said why she's like because I feel nervous She used that word. Yeah, she's like because I feel nervous and I said I told my daughter I said

Starting point is 00:07:24 Courage is not being scared. I said, if you're not scared, then you don't need courage. You don't need courage to go up there. That's easy. I said, courage is when you're scared and you do it anyway, and you should've seen the look on her face. She was just like, I could see the little fire.

Starting point is 00:07:40 Come up inside of her, you know? And she was like, hmm. And then right before she went up on stage, because my kids, during that generation where, you know, YouTube is like, that's like NBC when we were kids or CBS or whatever, it's a big network. And so right before she gets on stage,

Starting point is 00:07:56 you know, I, or goes back to, you know, get ready or whatever, I kind of grab her by the shoulders and I whisper to her here. And I said, don't forget this, I said, you're my daughter. I said, I get scared, I get nervous when I make videos on YouTube because she always loves talking about how I'm on YouTube. I said, but I do it anyway, just like you're about to do it.

Starting point is 00:08:13 And she's fucking walked up there and she like had her fists clenched. Hats, face it. Look a little champion, so proud, face it, so proud, so so nice. So exciting. That's really close, yeah. Yeah, it So proud. So nice. So exciting. That's really close, man.

Starting point is 00:08:26 Yeah, it's really fun, man. When you watch your kids do something like that, but I think it's important that you to tell your kids that, because I didn't understand this one up until I got a little older, I thought being courageous meant having no fear. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, I have no fear. They're foreign courageous.

Starting point is 00:08:42 And I wish somebody explained to me like, no, no, no, no, it's when you scare it, when you're scared and you do it anyway. Yeah, that's so good. And I wish somebody explained to me like, no, no, no, no, it's when you're scared, when you're scared and you do it anyway. Yeah, that's what it's for. It's for judges. It would have changed my relationship. Oh, of course, with fear. That stuff that we put, I mean personally,

Starting point is 00:08:52 I put it together over years of that feeling, right? And then not doing it. Like I think it takes like a normal person who doesn't have a father who communicates at early age. Like, you know, I'm sure there was many things in my life that I was afraid of that I didn't do because I was afraid of. And I think over it took years and years of the times when you were afraid, but you still did it anyways

Starting point is 00:09:13 and then the feeling afterwards. You have to do that a few times before you start to connect that like, holy shit, wait a second. Every time I'm scared and I do it anyways, holy shit, that's better than any feeling. That's better than you do. I had to than just doing the same conversation with my, my oldest. He got elected to be the big bad wolf of, of this play that like. So it was more than just for his own class.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Like he actually had a performance in front of like a couple grades above his. So it was like his peers that were, you know, older kids. And so he was like totally cool that in like it's like his peers that were older kids. And so he was totally cool with it. And it's like a lead role. He's like a bunch of lines and everything and he's been practicing. And it got down to the day where of where it was like, okay, so the day of I'm making a breakfast,

Starting point is 00:09:56 we're all kind of talking about it, hyping him up a little bit. And he was just like, just like ghost white. You know? Ghost white, like it was just like, I don't know, he literally was just like, I don't know. He literally was having like a little mini panic attack. He was like, I don't know if I want to go to school.

Starting point is 00:10:10 They did, you know? No, no. And like, he was like, it just hit him like all of a sudden, like, oh, this is like real. Like I want to have to like perform my heart. My heart just sinks. It sinks for that right away too. And it's not even my child, you know, say, just the empathy for the kid going through that because at that age, it's different. Like,, you know, say just the empathy for the kid going through that because at that age it's different.

Starting point is 00:10:25 Like, I can talk a big game right now. It fucking, you know, 36 years old and she like that because you've got a bunch of reps under your belt. But when you're that age, dude, that's got to seem huge. The first time you ever had stepped out in front of like, his peers and done anything, you know, like he's not. So, I mean, just talking to him and like same exact scenario

Starting point is 00:10:46 where we're just talking about like facing your fears and that, you know, as you go through that, that's what builds bravery, that's what builds courage. And you actually learn that it's not as bad once you start getting into it, right? Like it's, it's all about just getting there and then performing and and going through that process and you know and I told him how I'd get scared all the time. I do things I'm uncomfortable with constantly and just what it's helped to build my character and help me in life, you know, and and so he just like finally I guess my wife thankfully was able to kind of take him to school and and watch it and I wasn't able to watch it because I had to go to work.

Starting point is 00:11:25 But I guess, you know, he went up there and was just a real nervous. And then just after the first line, it was like, he was on fire. After that. But yeah, I took it. He still wanted to back out like right before it started. Wow. I got out of him. I got so emotional.

Starting point is 00:11:40 I was watching her do the thing and I knew that she was nervous going into it and that, I mean, remember this, this is, and that Remember this is I mean this is consider this second grade. She's a girl and you know girls typically don't Being humorous or being funny. It's not as Acceptable I would say for little girls and make funny faces or make jokes That's something that boys you know stereotypically tend to do but it's actually kind of true So she's up there. she's making fun of herself, she's in second grade, she's not doing an act like anybody else. And I knew she was scared and then she did it.

Starting point is 00:12:11 And I'm watching this and I'm like, I'm gonna fucking cry, right in this audience right now. But, you know, it boils down and this took me so long to learn. And I wish I knew this as a kid. You know, fearing fear or being afraid of being nervous is worse than being nervous or having the fear of doing something. It's worse. It's when you torture yourself. Yeah, you're so afraid. You want to avoid the feeling of nerves and anxiety so bad because it's something you hate so much or you create that relationship

Starting point is 00:12:43 with it that you hate it so much. that adds like 50 trillion layers to it, because when you stop hating fear, instead expect it, like think about that, like, okay, I know I'm gonna go speak in front of these people, and I'm gonna be fucking terrified, and expect it, like that's just gonna happen. Change is a law, all of a sudden you're like, well, this is a different, it's a different perception of the same feeling. It doesn't. Oh, yeah, we talked about it being exciting, and I just kept trying to emphasize the fact that it's like very exciting for you to do this, and this is something that you're going

Starting point is 00:13:13 to enjoy completely, but what feels like complete fear and the unknown, you can literally start to address it as like, this is just just an exciting fun thing I get to do instead. Do you guys remember moments in your life like growing up where you started to kind of overcome that feeling? Because I'm sure all of us that when we were young so many reps to get to that place. Like do you do you remember being terrified before having to speak or do things like that? And it will point to you start to feel yourself overcome that? Oh yeah, the first, the first all staff meeting that I conducted as a fitness manager.

Starting point is 00:13:53 So I was 18 years old, so I'm a kid. I have no experience doing any of this stuff, and then I, you know, I was a trainer for four years, and then now I'm doing a meeting, an all staff meeting, because now I'm the manager of the fitness department. And I remember knowing I knew I was gonna do it, right?

Starting point is 00:14:09 And I got really nervous, but my relationship with nerves for that was different, and I didn't identify this till much later. And the reason why I was different was because I felt like I had a team that needed to depend on me. So once I realized that, oh, these people depend on me, I was still nervous, but I had a different relationship with that. Like, I need to do this for my team.

Starting point is 00:14:32 And I stood up on a desk and I gave this meeting, and it was very, very different. And when I feel, and then put that together too much later on, it actually happened with us here at MindPomple. A while ago, we had the, I don't remember what we did. We did a big seminar or a trainer seminar and I was supposed to open it and I was kind of nervous and then I don't remember who it was. I don't think

Starting point is 00:14:53 it was, I don't know if it was Adam or Justin. When you two said, Hey, Salis and we're just going to, you know, follow your lead. And I don't know what it is that that I knew like, oh, fuck, my team's depending on me. And that created, it creates a different relationship with the same feeling. And so really it's, and I'm putting this together now, I'm almost, you know, I'm 39 years old, right? It's all about your,

Starting point is 00:15:12 like, am I afraid of being afraid? Or do I expect it, understand it, and then I'm okay with it, you know what I'm saying? Change is absolutely everything. Yeah, it's interesting because I've gone through different types of performing fear. And you know, whether it's from sports or from music, I remember at a young age it was music.

Starting point is 00:15:35 It was performing a piece on the piano that I had memorized. And I think it was Moonlight Sonata. And I still to this day, that's like one of the only songs I can, I know how to play. Because I took it so seriously. I like, you see my mom has a video. This is so fucking hilarious. I was like, probably nine, nine years old, I would say.

Starting point is 00:16:00 Maybe eight or nine. And I'm in front of like this whole, it was in a church, but it was like all of the seats were filled. It was like this big display because they would start with the kids and then it'd go into like the more accomplished musicians and like there was just so many people.

Starting point is 00:16:22 I thought it was just gonna be in front of like the kids and the parents, like cool. no, it became this big, huge like ordeal and so I'm up there. I was just sweat bullets. And the first few notes went just sour and I stopped completely and I looked over, you know, at my parents and I just, I had like a like anxiety. I just like, I was, I froze and I couldn't, anxiety. I just, like, I was, I froze. And I couldn't, I couldn't, like,

Starting point is 00:16:46 mustered up again and then the teacher came up and kind of like, you know, put her hand on my shoulder and was like, no, you can do this. You know, like, it's, like, you know, the skills, like just relax, nobody's here, blah, blah, blah, I'm trying to give you this pep talk. And then finally, like, I just, I started playing again and then I just got into this weird zone

Starting point is 00:17:05 where I'm just feeling it and then, and then I'm like really feeling it to where the music, I'm rocking with it. There it is. It was so funny, didn't you watch the video? I just get through the whole thing. You still have the video? Nailed it, then I'm at the end.

Starting point is 00:17:19 I'm like, I play to where I soften the notes at the end and I'm like crouching down real low with it. It don't say, knee, knee. After I was done, everybody's like, yeah! You know, like burst in in the mall. You couldn't have planned it better. Like you made a dramatic on purpose. So dramatic, everybody was on pins and needles

Starting point is 00:17:35 because I was like, so fucking scared. Oh man, terrified. Do you still have that video? Yeah, I'll have to get it from my mom. Oh dude, you're gonna have to bring this. I actually would love to see pictures of everybody when we were kids. I know.

Starting point is 00:17:49 I would love to be with you. By the way, Adam, I got a bump to pick with you. Okay, you tell me about how ugly we're in high school all the time. I was like, I don't know who it was. Was it your sister or someone posted a picture of your high school yearbook? He looks like JT. You're a fucking hands man. He's a little cross-priced.

Starting point is 00:18:02 You're a punting magnet. Let me defend myself. That's a picture day. You know what I'm saying? We're wearing makeup. We have a suit, probably the first suit I ever put on, right? Because I didn't wear a suit before that, right? So I know genetics and bone structure and facial features. You were a handsome guy.

Starting point is 00:18:16 I had swag, dude. I had swag as well. You could feel the swag to the picture. Yeah, absolutely. I hate you, see. I had swag, dude. I think a hell of people in the forum, too. They're like, wait a minute. Did you run a track? Notice, notice. You're a fucking handsome. Remember, of people in the forum, too, they're like, wait a minute, I think you're gonna track it.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Notice, notice. You're fucking handsome. Remember, it's a head shot, too, right? And I'm closing my mouth. If I actually smiled and showed my teeth, my two front teeth are completely crooked. I mean, completely turned in. And let's be honest, when you're a kid

Starting point is 00:18:37 and you have something like, oh, you make it, yeah. It's a lot bigger deal than it is. Of course, I mean, so, I mean, I had that. And then you can't tell because I'm in a tuxedo, but I'm a buck 35 wet, you know, I'm saying at six foot. So I'm, you know, teased for being. Just shredded.

Starting point is 00:18:51 Yeah, yeah, shredded to the ribs. Like you could see my ribs, more than you could see abs, right? So that's like, look at those oblique. Right, and then I drove the Hammy Down 1987 brown Toyota Camry with busted out lights and smell like Mildoo because my parents left the window down the year before right so I mean I definitely was not And I know people put them in the form like I know I'm just I don't talk about being I didn't say it was ugly like fuck dude Like you know or maybe I said that that's me being humble a little bit. I'm saying I know that I dated the hottest girl school You know saying like you can't be like- That just doesn't have my accident. Yeah, and but what I, the message that I always try to give the people about that was that

Starting point is 00:19:28 it wasn't that, it wasn't a popular kid for the normal popular things, right? I didn't have a lot of friends because I had a nice car like those, because I had a pretty smile, because I was a starting quarterback. I played sports, but I worked my ass off, and I got okay playing time. I didn't start on any of the teams that I played, but I busted my ass. I was the same way in school. I wasn't super brilliant, but I busted my ass all the time,

Starting point is 00:19:52 and I had crooked teeth, and I was skinny. And so I didn't have a lot of things like that were in your favor as a kid. You know what's funny though, when you start to realize is that your perception of your self is the same way. And you know, your perception of yourself is probably way worse than, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:20:11 Like, I thought I was so skinny, so painfully whatever. But if I look at old picture myself, yeah, I'm a skinny kid, but it's not like if I was walking down the street, if I'd see this kid, I'd be like, oh my God. Somebody call a doctor. I'm gonna feed this kid. Yeah, I would be like, oh, it's a normal skinny kid,

Starting point is 00:20:25 but I had a couple comments and because I identified with it, it was so much worse. Oh, of course. I mean, it takes years for most people, I feel like, and some people never get beyond that. I mean, I put that stuff together later on in life. When I talk about my character as a young man,

Starting point is 00:20:44 that's just me being an older guy, reflecting back on it. Like I wasn't that fucking self-aware back there. I'm saying I wasn't fucking, I'm just running around trying to be cool, you know what I'm saying? Like I, I just want to be accepted at that age. I just want to get, I have friends, I want to play sports, I want to have a girlfriend, I want to be fucking normal, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:21:01 And I already know that I'm at a disadvantage because I don't have a lot of the things that all these other kids have. And so I had to make up with that with my personality. I was friendly with everybody. I was outgoing. I was just, I was the life of the party wherever I was as a kid.

Starting point is 00:21:15 So, you know, talking about nervous moments, I was trying to rack my brain of times where I was really nervous like that. And there's been more moments in the podcasting that I have felt that way than anything else, which is why I love it though. Oh, for sure. Because I have a I have just this different relationship with these things. And one of those

Starting point is 00:21:33 is that, and I don't know where I connected this, but the, and it's probably my, I should give my mom some love and credit because I know I beat her up on the show sometimes is that, you know, she's one of the things that she, she established really good morals and values in us at a very young age. And I think the radical honesty and truth thing speaks volumes to being able to get through a lot of the stuff. And what I mean by that is when you get really nervous, sometimes I think it's because you're not being 100% honest. I think it's because you're trying to be a certain way for everybody else. And so part of that is because you have to kind of fake it, it gets really fucking scary. And something I learned a long time ago was the

Starting point is 00:22:17 more I was just fucking real, like say what's on my mind? You know what? It's going to rub somebody the wrong way. It's going to come out. Words are going to be made up sometimes. It's gonna rub somebody the wrong way. It's gonna come out words gonna be made up sometimes It's not gonna flow perfect Yeah, but I'm speaking the truth and having that feeling of like and that integrity of being able to do that I it carried me a long way at a very early age and I think that was installed in me From my mother and the values that she built in me later on and then now I've seen it expressed and now I thrive in those environments. I love to be challenged like that. I love that if I get nervous and scared because what it shows me is now I have something new to focus on and better and improve, you know.

Starting point is 00:22:53 So the podcast is probably the most that what what like any moments in particular. Just a very first day. Really, you know, I'm saying like because every day after that to me was, that was the moment that switch turns on for me. Once I put my mind to something that I want to improve upon it or I want to get, but whatever. You know, I'm saying like, once I make that switch, I'm committed, every day was fun for me. You know, like the first one was a little bit of nerves. Like, what are we doing? What are we saying? Like, who's going to be listening to this? Like, so there was a little bit of those nerves, but I really

Starting point is 00:23:23 didn't get that much. I think it's cool, because we're all nervous about different things about what we do, and we're all super confident about different things, so they tend to compliment each other. You know what I'm saying? That's been one of the great- Like, podcasting for me, never, I've never been, never been, for me,

Starting point is 00:23:38 it's like talking on a microphone, you kidding me? Might as well ask me to breathe. But, you know, if you want me to, if I'm going to talk to a group of influencers, and which I've done before in the past, and I can do it, but I always get nervous beforehand when I'm doing like a crowd of that. I always get, yeah, so you enjoy doing that. Yeah, I love that. I do better with that because here, this, and this is probably why I was so nervous with the podcast is because I know I don't articulate myself beautifully all the time. You know, I'm not, I don't have the silver tongue for sure out of the three of us. And so I think my mind is analyzing that the whole time going like, God, I fucking sound so stupid,

Starting point is 00:24:15 but people don't really know in everything about me and psych, because I can't articulate it really well. And so I think that's what I struggle with at the beginning. Well, when you're in person with me, like, and you meet me, I can connect with somebody. I can connect with anybody really fast too, because when you see that, and I feel like when I meet other people that have that honesty piece, I feel it right away. Like I just feel it, which is also why we all connect it.

Starting point is 00:24:41 I mean, that was one of the things that connected is, you can just, and we talk about this all the time. Every time we have a. I mean, that was one of the things that connected. You can just, you can feel, like there's, and we talk about this all the time, every time we have a guest, off mic, we all are analyzed the fuck out of them. Everybody sits down, what do you think? We argue back and forth, you know, saying, like, but I could just, we have files on all of that.

Starting point is 00:24:58 No, it does because that's just, I don't know, for me, I think it's human nature, right? Of course, everybody does it. Right, and you're just trying to see who's, and really what makes somebody, somebody who we stay connected with, or somebody that we rep as a friend, is the truth piece, is that they're just honest

Starting point is 00:25:13 and being real with themselves, more importantly than anything else. And I think there's relationships that people probably wouldn't even think that we are really close to, that we're close to, because maybe they're different, the way they run their business or things like that. And so people think they're so different than we are. But then what we identify it with and what we connect with is their realness. It's that character. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:32 Real character. Ben Greenfield couldn't be more different than us. I mean, there's some elements that are similar, but he's also a very different individual from us. But we love him. We love him from like this first or second time he met him because he's got good character. He's kind of a real solid, you know, kind of individual. And however different he is, that's the part that I think we're all kind of doing. No, he's a great example. That's another, that's a great example of somebody who, there's no way probably as a high school kid that Ben and I would have been connected and been

Starting point is 00:26:03 friends just different. And I was friends with a lot of different people, but Ben's just, we were into different things. We're not alike in a lot of ways. But the thing that we connect in is I think he's very comfortable with who he is. Yeah, I think a lot of times when people are living life as their true self, it may seem odd, you know, to everybody. Like, like, that's kooky. That's right.

Starting point is 00:26:24 That's weird. Like, what was he? Like, and so I think that I've always been attracted to people like that that sort of stand out of the herd and, you know, are just authentically living their life, you know, the way they want to. And it's, it's such an attractive quality. You know, in a lot of times you'll meet like, really weird people and you can appreciate it, but it's like, ah, stay over here. You know, in a lot of times you'll meet like really weird people and you can appreciate it, but it's like Ah, stay over here, you know, but then sometimes you're like, oh wow like I want to be close with this. Well, there's there's there's an extreme version of that and then the fake version of that too. That's right. That's right. That's what they're saying. There's yeah, exactly putting on a fake sort of facade. Yeah, try me. I'm weird. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I think something attention. Some people would think that about Ben when you outside looking in but when you really know

Starting point is 00:27:05 He's fucking real dude. No, no, he's literally like that. Well, that's I remember I remember the very first time I'd seen his stuff before we met and I remember thinking like oh this guy fucking just pedaling everything and making money off all this pseudo science and shit I didn't yeah, I didn't think I was gonna like him But then you know what I realized was, man, if there was gonna be a motherfucker that took all these things and tried these things and like went back and measured it, this is the human being I would want doing that.

Starting point is 00:27:35 You're a guy, you want to take your product. Right, that is the guy I want because I know he is measuring all aspects of his life and he is very meticulous and careful about everything. So I know when he adds something to his regimen or takes it away, like the effects and the things that I want to hear his perspective, probably more than anybody else's. So that's...

Starting point is 00:27:53 I can always, for me at least, I don't know how accurate this is, but it seems pretty accurate for me. I can almost always tell somebody's character if they're that kind of a person by the way they are with their kids. And that's what did it with Ben. We hung out with him that first time and we're that kind of a person by the way they are with their kids and that's what did it with Ben We hung out with them that first time and we're all kind of like well. I don't know Maybe you know, he seems pretty cool I don't know and then I saw him with his boys and I was like, oh, yeah, the students

Starting point is 00:28:14 He's legit. He's genuine and there's been a couple experiences like that where we've met people and then we've seen them with their kids And I don't know I can just always see that like especially the way a man is with his children Because it doesn't seem to be a second nature sometimes. Whether or not they ignore their kids, or they're super attentive, or how they are with their kids, or they treat them, how they hold them, if they kiss them, if they hug them, whatever.

Starting point is 00:28:34 And when I see that, I can see like, oh, this is a real, because I've seen a lot of people, parents, who posture around other people when they're around their kids, so they're trying to act like they're real good parents. But you can kind of tell, like, oh, that's not coming from their heart, you know what I mean? And so I can usually, that's kind of like my litmus test,

Starting point is 00:28:52 you know, for some, like, what, what, what's the split you guys think of like, people that are fake and all for the show type of deal, for the attention and everything like that, whether it be for business or personal and selfish, whatever, and then the split that is like, fucking 100% genuine who they are. I don't know what the split is.

Starting point is 00:29:08 It's not a ton of people that seem to be very genuine. Yeah, it's not a ton, but there's definitely people that are very real. I think, yeah, most people we've met, we tend to just, you know, bring them in. Like if we know for sure they're an authentic real, we try our best to only try to bring them in or at least Help and contribute them in their process in some fashion because it's like it is. It's such a rare thing these days to find

Starting point is 00:29:32 Like you don't find a lot of people like that. No, it's it's you know, it's like posturing psychologist explain Explain being like everybody else or blending in it's it's a it's a safety mechanism. We evolved to be safe. When you see a bunch of animals in a herd, which one is the one that's gonna get killed and hunted by a lion? It's not the one that's in the group. It's the one that's... The ones on the fringe.

Starting point is 00:29:55 It's the one standing outside. You know, when all of us are the same level, nobody's neck is sticking out. Nobody's putting themselves out there to be attacked or to be ridiculed or whatever. And so it's safe. It is very safe to go with the crowd. And it's very powerful.

Starting point is 00:30:10 It's an extremely powerful motivator that intrinsic that we have that we're born with. And it's very hard to break. Now, I'm not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing always to kind of blend in or whatever. Societies have to organize themselves and people have to work together. Do you think that's already born into built into us? It is, it is, it's an evolutionary because. So then off that do you believe in that leaders

Starting point is 00:30:33 are born or they developed? I think both, I think leaders, I think there's probably a genetic, like everything, right? There's probably a genetic component. Because there's something about them too that I believe that they're out loud. Like there's certain levels of like leaders,

Starting point is 00:30:46 it's just like you're not the guy who wants to be in the pack with her or girl and you've never been since day one. It's like and I feel like there's those people. Then I feel there's people who learn the skills of a natural leader and they can develop that and they can lead themselves too. But there's some people that just seem like they have that. And they've always had that.

Starting point is 00:31:06 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what this split is. But every time they do studies on behaviors, it's always, it's typically a nature and nurture. It's usually genetics involved and there's another component. And it's the right mix of the two that creates a type of behavior. For example, let's say you have somebody who's like a super successful leader, great character, but they grew up in a very, very tough situation, the kind of situation that typically break people, or that create criminals, or create people that are stuck in the poverty cycle. Well, maybe that tough life was the right mix with their particular genetic makeup and that's what produced a winner. And maybe if that person grew up in a posh environment

Starting point is 00:31:49 where everything was provided to them and they had all the support and all the stuff that you're supposed to have, maybe that would have made them more lazy, more complacent or not that kind of an individual. So it's hard to say what produces what because I feel like there's enough extremely successful

Starting point is 00:32:05 people that I'm aware of who grew up in very difficult situations and statistically speaking difficult situations don't typically result in success. They typically look, if you take a bunch of kids and you put them in a household that's poverty, maybe abuse, maybe single parent parent like these are all statistics, right? The odds are that more of them will do worse than than not, right? But every once in a while you get the right mix and it's not I don't know like who would I be if I grew up in a different situation? Who would you guys be? It's it's a I think it's a very difficult thing to study Because when you're looking at outliers, how do you study the outliers?

Starting point is 00:32:45 They're already outliers. They're already not the average. You can look at the averages, but when you look outside the averages, Elon Musk definitely, there was some life things that made him the way he is, but he's also definitely just a different human being. How do you study that? I don't think you can. I don't really think you can. That's right. I mean, I feel like, and it's an example of like brilliance

Starting point is 00:33:10 like that. Like I'm sure that you could back that all the way up to childhood. Like I'm sure if you, and I haven't watched too many documentaries on them that dove that deep into them, but I would assume that there were signs of that early, early on in his life before he even got to the point

Starting point is 00:33:27 where he was this maniac. So check this out. This is kind of bringing me to an interesting topic. So yesterday I did a post on gender pay gap and I talk about the economics and why it's likely, highly likely it's not based on sexism but rather other factors. Like the time decisions

Starting point is 00:33:45 that men and women tend to make and all these other things. And I got a lot of positive feedback, by the way, from all women, which tripped me out, a thousand of pissed people off. But I got some like 50 DMs from women who are like, thank you, I'm sick and tired of being told them a victim and all this other stuff. And I was like, whoa, this is, I did not expect this.

Starting point is 00:34:03 So it was pretty cool. That's cool. But I did get in a debate with a couple individuals or discussion and we went down that rabbit hole. And you really smart people like doctors or anything? Yeah, one of them was really smart. So we had this discussion and one thing that I said that really made this individual upset in this discussion

Starting point is 00:34:24 was I highlighted how, because we were talking about the different choices that men and women tend to make. And I was explaining, look, if you look at the middle of the pack with humans, we're all pretty fucking similar. There's like one standard deviation difference between men and women in certain parameters, which is not much when you're looking at the middle. Like if you if you took a bunch of women and a bunch of men and you rated them on something like empathy, which they can test, right? Men will typically rank one standard deviation below women, which in the middle isn't that big of a difference. Speaking of empathy, male humans are incredible,

Starting point is 00:35:08 have incredible parental, you know, behaviors and instincts, much more than most other mammals. Like male humans are really good parents compared to other male mammals which tend to be terrible parents and usually just protect and get food and then if the child gets in the way they'll eat them. That's a real statistic.

Starting point is 00:35:27 But we tend to be pretty good with kids, including other kids, which, again, mammals, male mammals with other children are terrible and male humans are pretty good. But nonetheless, we do rank lower than women in those kinds of categories. In the middle, it doesn't mean a whole lot. We're all kind of very, very similar. But if we go to the ends of the spectrum, if we picked, you know, 100 of the most empathetic humans on Earth, all of them would be women, all of them. Because at the extreme end, you have all these extreme levels of empathy or whatever, which women tend to score highest end. And so you see this and all these other things. So we're having this, just this particular discussion. It would be just like comparing the top 100

Starting point is 00:36:08 hunters. There would be, it would be more likely to be men, right? Just for that, even though there's tons of women that are bad acid, huh? That's my, yeah, exactly. I mean, those standard deviation differences are small in the middle, but at the ends, they start to get real big, just like if you took two parallel lines and you separated and buy a, you know, a tenth of a degree, you keep traveling, you know, down those lines and they separate quite a bit at the ends. And so we were talking about this and I said, look, I said, you know, here's an interesting statistic. She didn't like this. I said, when you look at humans, most of us are somewhere in the middle in terms of, you know, average, you know, violence or aggression or brilliance or whatever,

Starting point is 00:36:46 whatever you want to call it, we're all kind of similar. But when you go on the ends, there's more men on the extremes than there are women. For example, if you look at criminality and aggressiveness and violence, men and women, women are about one standard deviation, less violent than men are. In the middle, that doesn't mean much. You take a bunch of average people, and most of them are not gonna be violent, most of them are not gonna want hurt people a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 00:37:09 But if you go on the extreme end of the most violent, most, you know, the biggest criminals, whatever, it's all men, and this is why the prisons are filled with men, and there's hardly as many women in comparison. But if you go on the other end of the extreme, and she don't like this part, you go on the other end of the extreme and she don't like this part, you go on the other end of the extreme and you look at achievers,

Starting point is 00:37:29 people who can be considered brilliant or whatever, you see also more men. And she don't like that part. And it's evolutionary speaking, it makes sense because if you have a society where there are very, very few men and a lot of women, that society can survive. Technically, it can totally survive. You could have, you know, 10 men and 100 women and you're going to make a lot of babies. Flip it would never work. If you had a lot of men and a little bit of women's society collapses.

Starting point is 00:38:00 And so what evolution is basically done is it's rolled the dice more with men than with women because we're disposable because it's okay for it to roll the dice a little more. So you're gonna see more extremes with men in all different kinds of cases. And that was just one example of how differences between men and women can account for when you look at broadly, you see differences in things. And what do you think that is it's it's men are trying all these different things so they can reproduce and so that's what maybe set us off in different ways like i'm gonna work really hard and maybe that's gonna get some ass well that it worked out i'm gonna get really strong and that's

Starting point is 00:38:36 the thing for the saber to tired we're disposable were far more disposable than than women are i mean uh you know we you can kill off half the men in america right now and america will you can kill off half the men in America right now and America will survive. You kill off half the women in society will collapse. You don't have enough people to carry children. So it's just, it's just evolutionary. I thought we covered the gender pay gap thing already.

Starting point is 00:38:58 Didn't we talk about it? Did we do it with Kibbe? You should just, you know what, you love that stuff bro. You love that stuff that you even waste your time going back before. I'm at the point now where someone asked a question that I know we addressed in detail. Like here's the fucking episode or go download the app and search it. No, we know what it is. I realize about myself. I like talking about controversial shit.

Starting point is 00:39:19 It's long as it's controversial, I get excited. If it's like, oh, that's a talk of it. Well, cause it'll actually respond cause you'll put bait out there and you're realizing you know, it's like, oh, it's not controversial enough, right, for them to respond. Yeah, I just, I really enjoy that. Speaking of controversial, you know how we did the episode,

Starting point is 00:39:34 we talked about Kanye song, about Trump or whatever. Yeah. And, you know, we made this speculation that there seems to be a cultural shift and I was making this big point that you know for a long time now and again I want to be clear I have to say this every fucking episode We're not you know I can speak for myself, but I know you guys too. We're not pro Trump or anti Trump or pro Democrat or pro Republican We're much more independent in the sense that we're tend to be down the little the middle pro freedom pro liberty

Starting point is 00:40:07 Which means you know sometimes we agree with policy by policy. Yeah, so we were talking about this and I said something like, you know, minorities for a long time, the liberal party, the Democrats have taken for granted that minority is just gonna vote for them for a little while. And we talked about the history of the Democrat party and how they used to actually be pro segregation, pro slavery, all these different things. And so on the four on our forum, there's a little bit of a debate and somebody's like, nah, it's bullshit.

Starting point is 00:40:32 You know, minorities hate Trump and I'm like, no, man, I said I can sense a cultural shift that's starting to happen. And it's pretty crazy and Kanye's an example of that boom, a fucking Rooters poll comes out. This poll just was done. What you didn't even have to send or read to me because once I knew he did anything with Kanye, it was game over. Black male approval for Trump doubled. Double, like after a day.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Yes, it was at 11%. Now it's at 22%. Which is, there's a weird, there's a weird, crazy shift that's happening in the political sphere that is interesting to me. Well, he has a lot of weight, man. You know, like him, him voicing that like was, I mean, that's a big deal.

Starting point is 00:41:15 It is, but it's also, it's weird because Trump, as much as he's, I don't, I really don't like him in many, many different ways, but he has this appeal with a lot of different people. And I don't, I think it's just, it's gotta be because he's, and who knows? He may be the fakes mother fucker in the world, but he comes across as being not fake in comparison to other politicians,

Starting point is 00:41:38 because there's no polish. You know, because you always expect a politician to smile and say the right thing and to answer a question with like politically correct. And then you got Trump who's like, you know, because you always expect a politician to smile and say the right thing and to answer a question with like Politically correct, and then you got Trump who's like, you know now will nuke them or you know calling people rocket man or whatever and you're like What this is why you can't get into sports, dude? Because you got wait. This is sports for nerds Yeah, the politics is fucking sports for nerds. That's all it is to me. Yeah, it really is It's the same goddamn thing, but I mean I goddamn thing. But I think there's that level of intelligence

Starting point is 00:42:06 in sports too, just average people don't dive in deep enough to learn that. That's why I think you would love it. Yeah, I only get into politics because, and I'm not super political in the sense I follow all the politicians. I just, I got into legislation and economics because once I realized, here's the realization

Starting point is 00:42:23 I had a while ago. When I realized, there was two things that I realized that really, I had trouble sleeping the first time I thought of this. In fact, I wrote about it today on my Insta story. When I read an article that we all pay taxes, right? And we all have to pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you'll get fined,

Starting point is 00:42:40 they'll take your property, and you keep not paying them and eventually they'll throw you in jail. We all know this, you know, but we all take it for, we all kind of like accept it because we're born into it. And I remember reading this article where this guy wrote and he says, you know, up in the average American up until about April 22nd, that's they did the math, is working for the government.

Starting point is 00:42:58 I thought about that. I'm like, holy fuck, the first quarter of the year, every hour that I'm working is not for me. It's for the government, which is fine if that's what you wanna do, but what if you don't? What if you don't wanna do it? And I kept thinking about that and I'm like, oh shit. What is the definition of this?

Starting point is 00:43:16 Working for someone else because you're afraid of being hurt or thrown into a cage. In other words, by threat of violence. Tears sounds like the mafia to me. It sounds like slavery. That's actually the literal definition of into a cage. In other words, by threat of violence. Tears sounds like the mafia to me. It sounds like slavery. That's actually the literal definition of being a slave. So when I thought of that, I was like, that's kind of crazy and I don't have a choice.

Starting point is 00:43:32 And then I thought about this. I said, wait a minute. I can't do anything I want to my own self. So think about that for a second. Like, what if I wanted to alter my mind, my state of mind? What if I wanted to take a drug for my body? What if I wanted, and I'm an adult, right? What if I wanted to have someone pay me for sex?

Starting point is 00:43:53 Because it's my body, right? I can't do that. In fact, if I do that and I get caught, they will throw me into a cage or find me or whatever. But the point is this, I don't own my body, so I'm like, holy shit, I'm forced to work for someone else. I have no choice in it, whether I want to or not, I have no choice.

Starting point is 00:44:14 And I can't do to myself. I'm not talking about hurting anybody else. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about my own self, like I'm in my body, I own it. I can't do anything I want to myself. When I realize those two things, man, I lost sleep. I remember thinking like this is fucking crazy.

Starting point is 00:44:30 It's a situation that you're born into, and then you don't realize, like, so then I got into politics as I said, oh, okay, this has a major impact on me in a real way. I just didn't understand it. And so then I started becoming interested in that whole process because I thought to myself, I'm not a violent person, I'm not gonna do all. I just said, okay it. And so then I started becoming interested in that whole process because I thought to myself, I'm not a violent person, I'm not going to do all.

Starting point is 00:44:47 I just said, okay, how can I do this within the system to change things? And I said, I better understand this stuff. I better start learning it. And that's what got me into it. So sports is fascinating as they are. Like, you know, if the warriors lose or win, it's not gonna force me to do some, it doesn't own me, it's not any of that stuff. And that's, but I can definitely be fascinated by sports. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I know. And that's how I feel about politics.

Starting point is 00:45:13 I'm serious. I mean, I'll do what I want anyway. How do I exactly? How do I, I mean, when we talk about it off air, I mean, that's how I talk about it. I impressed with the maneuvers that I see being made. And I love shows like house at cards. I mean, when we talk about it off air, I mean, that's how I talk about it. I am impressed with the maneuvers that I see being made and I love shows like house of cards. I mean, I'm into all that stuff. So I like that part of it, but that's again, I just kind of have this like sports for nerds. I mean, it's like all these guys are all making all these decisions and moves and what gets put out in the media and like, we all sit back here and we argue and fight with each other

Starting point is 00:45:43 and try and debate these points. It's just like at the end of the day, dude, they're up there like puppet masters, man. Oh, dude, totally. We've just spinning wheels and nothing's getting accomplished. And that's why you like to see this whole process get disrupted because it's just like, wow. And even if it's such a gamified thing,

Starting point is 00:46:00 even if there is, I mean, because it's not like, I mean, we're still evolving as a society. I mean, there's a lot of things we're going backwards into. But I mean, we're, so it's not like, I mean, we're still evolving as a society. I mean, there's a lot of things we're going backwards in and too, but I mean, we're, so it's not like it's all for waste. I don't think that. I think that, but I definitely think that there's a lot of greed involved. I think that anybody that, and power,

Starting point is 00:46:15 that gets that much money and power, I think it's tough to not try and play God. You know, I think that any man or woman in that position would be tempted to do that. And if in our society, the way we are run, nobody has more an opportunity to play God than the president and the, you know, the government, man. I mean, they have the most power over us as a society and, you know, to think that they wouldn't want to play with that power. Yeah, you know what it is. I haven't met a man or woman that wouldn't want.

Starting point is 00:46:46 Here's what it is, the election of Trump, I was happy with it in one respect, not because he got elected, I didn't vote for him and for the record, I didn't vote for Hillary either. But here's what made me happy about it, not a single, I mean, I can't say not a single, almost nobody from either side wanted Trump to win. Republicans hated him and of course the Democrats hated him. So here's this guy that nobody wants him to win. Every poll that was done showed him having zero chance of winning.

Starting point is 00:47:19 So he was super underdog. If you had put money on Trump and Vegas, by the way, the Vegas odds are the best predictors of who's gonna be president. And the Vegas odds, I don't remember what they were exactly, but if had put money on Trump and Vegas, by the way, the Vegas odds are the best predictors of who's gonna be president. And the Vegas odds, I don't remember what they were exactly, but if you put money on Trump, you would want a lot of money because it was like Hillary for sure is gonna win this. And then he won. And, and, and I was happy about that. Not because you won. Not because he won. I was happy because it made me feel better. Like, oh, wait a minute, it's not,

Starting point is 00:47:46 maybe it's not rigged, like I thought it was, because nobody wanted him to win, and yet he still did. So I don't think the voting system is rigged necessarily, but here's what I do think. I think that they figured out how to divide everybody, that's number rule number one. I don't think the voting system is rigged at all.

Starting point is 00:48:02 I've never thought that. I think the less of that, then there's still the puppet masters with the way they put it media and information and you get to hear what they want you to hear. And that's why I mean, I remember when we just recently we got in that little debate about stuff. It's like any time a move happens

Starting point is 00:48:18 and if I'm in a conversation, will we get into some sort of a political debate and somebody starts saying, oh well, Trump just did this or Hillary just did this or Clinton Just did this and they say some shit like that. It's like well really though. I mean do you have no idea That's what they want you to know You know say you're not in all the meetings you have no idea what's coming next You have like and so we're over here fucking fighting back and forth and I think nine times that 10

Starting point is 00:48:41 That's what they want in the first place some topic that we can all debate over while the real shit's happening behind closed doors. I'll tell you why. Come on. I'll tell you what, if you want to prove that point, use the easiest way you can do it. Anytime we go to war or bomb another country, go backwards and look at the series of events and things that we've heard in the media and heard them say, in order to get popular support because the US government rarely goes in and launches an attack without knowing that they have at least a decent amount of American

Starting point is 00:49:13 support because they learned that lesson in Vietnam. Vietnam created a crazy you know counter-culture movement and part of that was because we had a draft so we have people who are going to war who don't want to go to war. But the other part of it was extremely unpopular, and they continue to do it. And so they always, they're always trying to like get popular support. So if you look at like look at the event that that finally got us into the Vietnam War, was the Gulf of Tonkin. Okay, this is an incident which admittedly, this is not a conspiracy theory, never happened.

Starting point is 00:49:45 Never happened. Look at what got us into World War I. Look at what got us into Iraq. How are we sold on getting into Iraq? Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th, at all. In fact, as Shidi Saddam Hussein was, he was actually a nice counter to Al-Qaeda in the Middle East. Al-Qaeda didn't even exist in Iraq.

Starting point is 00:50:13 But we used that sentiment, that anger, that oh shit, we got attacked. We used that, and then of course, you know, weapons of mass destruction, which were never found. So it's all these false premises and pretenses to get us scared, to go into war, and then people support it, and then we go in, and that's the clearest thing you can see. This is with almost every war. Look back and you'll see, like, oh, that, you know, Pearl Harbor, you know how much evidence there was that we knew that they were gonna come in and attack us at Pearl Harbor.

Starting point is 00:50:36 There's a decent amount of evidence to show that they, that people kind of knew, well, though, that people kind of knew that they were coming, but, you know, the conspiracy is, and this is less they were coming, but you know, the conspiracy is, and this is less proven than Gulf of Tonkin, but the conspiracy is. Well, this, we let it happen so people get pissed off and we could jump into the war. Does anything make more money than war? For a special interest, it makes a lot of fucking money.

Starting point is 00:50:55 What's the thing? I mean, what? Well, think about the business of war. And by the way, it doesn't make American people money, unless you're in one of these military industrial complex companies, it loses money. Nothing loses money more than creating a million dollars something and then exploding it Making yeah like tanks and planes. Don't they like some antimaperal while after they make too many units Yeah, what happened is the cold war you can't tell me to that somebody who's connected like that that knows like okay Way before anybody else knows that we're going connected like that, that knows like, okay, way before anybody

Starting point is 00:51:25 else knows that we're going to war, that I'm not also investing in Boeing and all these companies on the side that I know is because we're going to mandate something that all of those things are going to go up 10 fold. Just look at Donald Russell and look how much his company, you know, we're friends profited from the Iraq war. You know, it's really crazy. Now, I don't know if they're like, you know, you can go the Iraq war. It's really crazy. Now, I don't know if they're like, you know, you can go down the line and be like,

Starting point is 00:51:48 oh, they're making people go to war. What I think might even happen, what I think is more realistic is we decide we're gonna go to war for, you know, for our own reasons. And then the military contractors or the, you know, these companies that make these weapons influence how we run the war.

Starting point is 00:52:05 You know what I'm saying? Like they sit down and go, okay, we have strategy. We have this product. Why don't you guys launch this kind of a war and use this weapon and then highlight it and whatever and make that happen. But here's what happened with the Cold War. One of the approaches from the...

Starting point is 00:52:20 The bunker bus. One of Reagan's approaches was to outspend the Soviet Union, make them spend so much money that they bankrupt themselves and it kind of did work. But then we were left with this massive military industrial complex and a lot of these weapons and whatever, they're made in America. So now you have entire states or cities

Starting point is 00:52:40 that a large percentage of their employment is these companies that make tanks or bombs or whatever. So now imagine you're trying, okay, we don't have a cold war anymore, we don't need to have a huge military. Now you're trying to cut spending, but what you're actually doing is now you're cutting jobs. And those people vote for their politicians.

Starting point is 00:53:01 Their politicians come to DC and they lobby the government to keep those jobs and keep creating new enemies, whether it's the war on terrorism or the war on whatever, and so that we continue to spend more and more and more. So it's a monster, because government programs and parts of the government, once they grow getting them to shrink is almost impossible. It'd be like, it's like you're the owner of a business and you have access to limited money and then people ask you to take a voluntary pay cut. Like, no, I'm gonna give myself a raise, dude.

Starting point is 00:53:32 That's not gonna happen. Like, once the last time Congress voted themselves a pay cut, you know, they get to vote, believe it or not, they get to vote their own salaries. How fucking hilarious is that? You know what I'm saying? And they always have this too. The meaning, and they have limitless money.

Starting point is 00:53:44 And I'm talking about it. It's, limited... And they have limitless money in our top. That's why politics is shitty compared to sports. Like sports you can't cheat like that dude. And sports we try and cheat. We try and cheat. You know what I'm saying? Stereoids, candles, doing things like that. But not at the level of politics.

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Starting point is 00:55:29 You have more reasons. You may notice as you're drinking more of the green juice that you're getting, you're making bigger loads. I know. Organt, I'm not as, organically I'm just gonna love that carringial. Bro, it's getting closer to the ceiling. Bro, I'm gonna pay attention now because,

Starting point is 00:55:44 you know, as I drink more of it, I mean, I'm gonna look. I like it, I like it. Keep it posted. Keep it posted. I'll keep it posted. Actually, no, keep Justin posted. Send him, let him know.

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Starting point is 00:56:03 All right. Thank you, Sal. You're welcome, Doug. Our first question. I wonder if it turns green. All right. Thank you, Sal. You're welcome, Doug. Our first question is from O'Bourer. Tips on getting your first chin up or pull up as a female weight lifter. I've been doing negatives, band, and box assisted pull-ups, scap poles, and other variations for months,

Starting point is 00:56:18 but to no avail. So one of the things I don't know because they didn't tell us is but one of the things I don't know because they didn't tell us this, but one of the common things that when I helped like a female lifter out with pull-ups or body weight dips, I was actually in fact just helping Katrina out with it. The first time ever, I was ever with her in the gym when she decided she was going to do body weight dips. And she came over and she's like, you know, I want to try a weighted dips.

Starting point is 00:56:43 I know you guys talk about, you know, the importance of increasing that. And I don't, I've always just done my body weight. She goes, but I don't think I can do very much weight, you know, and I was like, well, how many, how many can you do just, just your body weight? And she's like, oh, I can get like 15 plus out there. I'm like, oh, you can add plenty of weight. God.

Starting point is 00:57:00 And so she's like, well, she would do a grab, she would do a grab like a 10. And I'm like, no, you grab, grab grab more weight than that you can do more than a 10 She's like well. I won't be able to get more than like five or six of those. I'm oh, yeah, that's okay I'm like and so Katrina don't you listen to mine pump the point I know I'm selling her out right now to sell this to tell the story right now because this is common I used to get this a lot with And it's part it feeds into the you know, we girls can't do low reps because it builds bulky muscle or something.

Starting point is 00:57:26 It's like, no, like actually doing, I said, you know what would be great? I said, do find a way that is hard for you to, I want you to land somewhere between one to three. You know, like, have you ever done that? Have you ever strapped on enough weight that to where you know you can only get one to three reps told and she's like, no, I would never do that.

Starting point is 00:57:43 And I'm like, so there you go. So let's put a weight on that. If you get three, keep increasing the weight or more. So, you know, I think that a lot of times they, they'll be doing a, doing the bandit or assisted or the, a gravitron assisted pull up machine. And they're still doing 10, 15 reps. Now that can, that will help. That'll help you build some strength. But you're going to see a way more bang for your buck if you use enough resistance to go heavy Yes, or enough assistance. We're gonna teach your body the mechanics of the movement and everything and it's gonna respond appropriately, but to be able to now

Starting point is 00:58:17 Activate and recruit even a louder signal, you know to decrease those reps and to really struggle through those reps Well, well think of it this way. This person, this lady is trying to get her first pull-up, right? So she's trying to be able to do one. Now, one is that low reps or high reps, right? It's low reps. So what you're actually trying to improve upon,

Starting point is 00:58:40 what you're trying to improve upon is your maximal strength to start with. Now at some point, if you get good at pull-ups, you'll be doing more and more reps. But remember, there's a rule of specificity when it comes to training. In other words, what you train is what you get. You do get some carry-over to other things. Most of the gains and the benefit you get is in the rep range you train, in the exercise you train, and in the style you train. So if your goal is to try and get one pull up, which is a very low rep and

Starting point is 00:59:09 maximal strength, because you can't do any at this moment, then you should practice doing one to two or three pull ups with assistance. That's the point that I was trying to make. I don't know if I came off. Oh, you did. Oh, I don't know. Perfect. Okay. I said your TZ's right. I'm back on. I came off. Oh, you did. Oh, no, no, no, no, perfect. Oh, okay. I thought you were teasing right there. Yeah. No, I'm back on, I'm back. Yeah, because I mean, that's, I would, I would put a lot of weight on and use someone to help and assist if I need to, but you're only doing a single or a double at most.

Starting point is 00:59:34 I mean, I think that, that's what I meant. I think a lot of, what I see a lot of times is someone will then get on like an assisted machine or a user band and they can get 10, 15 reps with the assisted and they're doing way too many reps. And if you can't do a single one, just your body weight. Yeah, train that. I mean, for me personally, too, like going through that and lowering your reps, you tend to find out too,

Starting point is 00:59:55 where some of your sticking points are, the hardest portion of the rep is, and where that lies. And so that's after you get through those little reps, a lot of times I'll get into that same position and whether it's the bottom of my rep, I'm going to really start to increase my tension within the bottom of that rep. So I'll stay there and like do an isometric rep where I'm just trying to harness as much activity as possible there and squeeze, squeeze, squeeze as hard as I can and then, you know, make a reps side of that just so my body will you know it'll further kind of respond the way

Starting point is 01:00:30 that you want it to when you feel like you're at your hardest point of the exercise. Right and it's also, here's the other thing, when you're doing low reps, I think people many times confuse that for maxing out. So if I say okay you're going gonna do sets of one or two reps That's a good point. Then they go pick a weight that that's their max and it's a super crazy struggle every single set No, that's wrong. Here's what you do Go to your assisted pull-up machine or whatever and pick a weight that you can max out for Four reps on so let's say four reps is your absolute max. Now do sets of one or two.

Starting point is 01:01:05 Go in there, you go in there with a sub maximal intensity because that's what's gonna give you the strength because if you max out the whole time, you're just gonna create a lot of muscle damage and you're not gonna, it'll take your long time of recovery but the adaptation signal will be gone by the time you're fully recovered

Starting point is 01:01:20 and you're not gonna gain any strength. So go sub maximal, pick a way you can do four reps with, do one or two, do that, practice that, and here's the other thing, frequency, practice a lot. I think if you did, honest to God, if you did like three sets of a single pull-up with a weight that you can do five reps on, for example, and you did that, I don't know, twice a day every day,

Starting point is 01:01:42 watch how fast you get stronger. It'll trip you out. The other thing to take into consideration too is this is a strength to weight ratio thing too. So a lot of times if you shred three or five pounds and then you go do pull ups again, it's crazy how much that makes a difference too. Like if you, I know every time that I've leaned out

Starting point is 01:01:58 after I've been training, even though I'm losing strength because I'm catabolic for quite some time when I'm getting ready for a show, man, when I go do pull-ups, I just fly up there because I've lost five or 10 pounds. So, I don't know how heavy this person is, too. If you're carrying extra body fat on you and you're trying to get good at your pull-ups, like one of the easiest things that you could do is shred a few pounds.

Starting point is 01:02:21 Yeah, they used to always fool me, by the way, like I I'd start cutting and then I'd do pull-ups and be like, oh shit, I lost like 12 pounds, but I could do the same amount of pull-ups. I haven't lost any muscle and I'm like, oh wait a minute, I lost 12 pounds. So I'm actually weaker. I can only do 12. I should be able to do like an additional five reps,

Starting point is 01:02:38 but I can't because I'm skinny. Next question is from CellCarp. What are your thoughts on running in combo with resistance training? I live five times a week, but also enjoy running because I'm near many state parks and it's therapeutic. How much running each week is too much and begins to inhibit muscle building? This, uh, this is a good question because you know how we talk about all the time how a But this is a good question because, you know how we talk about all the time, how a while ago, people started confusing, exercise with, it just needs to be hard and you sweat and you get sore.

Starting point is 01:03:11 And so people stopped treating it like a skill, stopped practicing it, and instead went to the gym too, quote unquote, work out. And so it was no longer about form or the right exercises. It was all about like, how hard can I make this, how much can I sweat and how much, how sore can I get? And that's what fucks people up because your, your, your, your body doesn't respond well that way. You want to go and you will learn to skill and practice like any other sport. It's worse with running, it's way worse with running. I don't know anybody that starts running and thinks to themselves like, I'm going to perfect running, I'm going to perfect the skill of running.

Starting point is 01:03:41 No, I don't even know in physical education, like any coaches that have like done a good job of teaching running mechanics, you know, with students. They just go, you know, it's just like go and run. Run as much as you can. Yeah, and as hard as you can. That's it, and like just endurance base. Let's see how much you can endure. It's, if you go and you run hard or you run long

Starting point is 01:04:03 and you exhaust yourself, you are assuming whether you realize that you're not, you are assuming that you have great running patterns and mechanics. Because the only thing you should ever train to fatigue or hard is something that you really want to solidify in your body. And if you have poor mechanics, that's what you're solidifying. And so what we see, we just saw this today, as we walked in to the studio, this young lady was running by and it looked, grew some poor girl, she's dying, she's sweating,

Starting point is 01:04:31 she can't even look up at anybody, forward shoulder, forward head, feet are hitting the floor all over the place. Green is fuck. Yeah, and she's just, and you know she's just going for the intensity, like how long or hard I can run, but I can look at her and I can predict with pretty good accuracy.

Starting point is 01:04:48 What do you guys think, how long do you think it'll take before she has to stop because she heard herself? Five more years. Yeah, maybe. Maybe less. Sometimes less, sometimes a lot less. But this is where you get those kind of problems.

Starting point is 01:04:59 She was young, she was really young. So she's resilient right now. Yeah. So when it comes to running, like if you run really, really well, that's number one, and that's okay, so she's resilient right now. Yeah. So when it comes to running, like, if you run really, really well, that's number one, and that's okay. But here's number two, how much running is too much, and then it inhibits muscle gains?

Starting point is 01:05:12 Well, technically, if you run, and it improves your general health, that'll probably build more muscle, anything past that will inhibit muscle. Anything that tells your body is more normal. That's really vague and hard. I know how different is that from person to person? Well, and I just, when I answer that to people, I just ask them which one's more of a priority. It's like if you're really trying to build muscle,

Starting point is 01:05:34 then almost any bit of cardio is not that advantageous. And I know there's studies to prove that increasing cardio can increase muscle mass, and that's because like Sal saying, you're healthier. Your body's functioning better at that point. Your heart is stronger. And that's because like Sal saying, you're healthier, your body's functioning better at that point, your heart is stronger. So therefore you can then in turn build more muscle. But once you get to a point where the running

Starting point is 01:05:52 is making you sore or the running is, for long duration of time and you can't keep up the caloric count, like then. Well, we're assuming too that they're talking about like endurance running versus like, short sprints and short bursts Which I've actually done, you know, in combination with heavy lifting Mainly to emulate a lot of the durability I need, you know, for performance on the field and so having quick bursts

Starting point is 01:06:19 but having in you know being able to Get back up and have the endurance and gas tank to keep motoring forward and having a fast twitch response. But I wasn't teaching my body to just go on and on and on and on because that, when I'm heavier, that is a disadvantage. So that's the conflict of information I'm telling my body. It's a really fine dance for somebody like this

Starting point is 01:06:40 because I also don't like discouraging somebody who has found this love for running and exercising where you're exercising five to seven days a week and, you know, and- And they're saying it's therapeutic. Yeah, and it's, you know, your- Right. So, why-

Starting point is 01:06:56 So, it was not like we're trying to take that away. Yeah, I would never do that, right? I would never, if a client came to me and said, like, they were, they're happy. They're at, were they want to be goal wise, give or take, and they enjoy running, because it's therapeutic. I would totally allow them to do it. Now, if I'm looking at you and you've, you've got all these injuries that I know are going on,

Starting point is 01:07:14 and then I know you're going on and running on that, then which I have just had this conversation with a friend of mine that's like a trail runner. You know, he's got fucking hip issues, he's got low back issues, and he just wants to run all the time. And I'm just like, well, yeah, he's asking me for permission, basically. And I don't even love that.

Starting point is 01:07:30 Yeah, I'm like, well, you do what you want, dude, but I'm not gonna sign off on it. Right, right, exactly. You can do whatever you want, but you're just, you're not in the, you have no business, in my opinion, running, because you're all this wear and tear on your body, it's coming from that.

Starting point is 01:07:42 And I know you don't think that because you get the instant relief from when you actually do the run, and it feels like it feeds a part of you that you like so much, but you're also taking away another part of you, which is the way around terror on your joints body. People want, obviously people want everything, right? But it doesn't work that way.

Starting point is 01:07:58 There's definitely trade-offs. So you get to ask yourself this. And I'm gonna use an arbitrary number, okay? But just think of it this way. What will bring you? What brings you a better or higher quality of life? Five extra pounds of muscle or the fact that you can go run in state parks and find therapy on it Just ask yourself that question. If the answer is oh, well five pounds more muscle will give you a better quality of life Then there you go. Then do more weight training and do less running. If it's the opposite, then is the five pounds of muscle worth the trade?

Starting point is 01:08:30 Of course it is. Quality of life, I mean, you know, that's that's that trumps everything. That doesn't matter then at that point extra five pounds of muscle or better quality of life. There's your time. Because I can see I can see and I know how it is when when I was getting ready for a show, what I love part of what I loved about competing was, you know, I was so regimented, and that's an extreme, right?

Starting point is 01:08:49 Like that's not healthy to live that way for a long time, but to me, I have found some things in it that I really appreciate, and it was like this organized structure of my program. It was this structure of me doing cardio X amount of times in the week when I was getting ready, and like that also bled into the rest of my day I was I was more productive and I saw these things even though okay I might be training a little more on the extreme level But I'm also getting some major benefits in the rest of my life

Starting point is 01:09:15 So okay, I might over do this a little bit, but then I'm also seeing it bleed over and other things that I'm I know that are valuable to me so you know, it's it's a given take on all these things. And so it's really hard to tell somebody like what the right dose is. It's like you have to make that decision for you how much you want doing it. But I definitely think there's some things that you have to be very, very honest with yourself. And if you deal with any sort of low back, knee issues already. Or if you just run terrible. Well, that's, I mean, if you've had those things, you are running terrible.

Starting point is 01:09:47 Bottom line. By the way, pain is one of the last signals that you've indefinitely. Right, and that's what I'm saying. But if that's what I'm saying, that you could be running and not have any pain right now and still not be doing good work for your body. Yeah, you're just waiting for the whole world.

Starting point is 01:09:57 I'm saying if you've already got pain going on, you know what I'm saying? If you've already got issues going on like that, like then absolutely, it's gonna compile. Yes. Just keep this in mind and understand this. Whatever you do a lot of, your body aims to become good at. It aims to become efficient at.

Starting point is 01:10:13 It aims to become proficient at. And so when you're doing lots of running, think about what your body will have to, especially the longer distance running, right? I'm not talking about sprinting it, longer distance running. What type of things would your body need to do to make itself better at running? Well, one of them is improve your cardiovascular endurance, improve your

Starting point is 01:10:35 muscular endurance. So those are kind of givens. It's going to make you more of an efficient running machine, which means you can't be too heavy, right? More weight on your body makes you not as efficient. And nothing burns as many calories per... I mean, running burns a ton of calories. That's the truth, right? If you run for an hour, you're going to burn more calories in that hour than if you lift weights, just the bottom line. But so your body now is also learning

Starting point is 01:11:05 to become efficient with calories because you are trying to turn your body into a machine that has lots of stamina, lots of endurance, but also doesn't use a lot of gasoline because that would be a bad thing. That would be not as efficient. So you're turning yourself into a over time, a skinny, slower metabolism type of individual,

Starting point is 01:11:28 which isn't necessarily bad. Actually, it's not bad. That's what you're asking your body to do. So it does create that. Now building muscle or lifting weights does the opposite. If I'm lifting weights, I'm looking for strength. And with some of that strength, needs more muscle size because bigger muscle fibers contract harder, bigger muscles do burn more calories,

Starting point is 01:11:48 but that's okay because I don't burn a lot of calories lifting weights anyway. And the signal that I'm sending that's being prioritized is strength anyway. That's the one that's causing most of the damage or whatever that my body seems to be responding to. So you get a faster metabolism. So these are the things you wanna to weigh out when you're combining

Starting point is 01:12:06 training modalities and I mean here's my view. If you're looking for overall health, you're better off doing a lot of a little you're better off doing a little bit of everything and worse off doing a lot of just one thing. But quality of life, like for me, for example, do I have an improved quality of life if I lift weights and get strong versus if I do long distance running? For me, I do because I enjoy it way more. I don't enjoy long distance running that much So that's the other thing you want to keep in mind Next up is Evans 11 is it possible to integrate a maps program in a three-day a week Olympic lifting program? Oh the best the program if you're an Olympic lifter, an Olympic lifting is very specific. It's very unique in all forms of resistance training. Most resistance training requires control,

Starting point is 01:12:53 or slower tempo, more time under tension. Maps prime would be dope. 100% Maps prime would be dope. Maps prime would benefit Olympic lifter tremendously. Oh yeah. I mean, think about it. When you're channeling your central nervous system, like everything on command,

Starting point is 01:13:10 like that's all part of the training protocol in prime. I mean, it's really just getting your body to respond the way it's most effectively going to respond. And we put you in positions specifically. So that communication channel gets opened up, the floodgates open in a sense. Yeah. Well, look at, look at Olympic lifters, look at high level Olympic lifters. They're definitely muscular, but they're not massive. And I mean, in comparison to other lifters, yeah, like an Olympic lifter, 150 pound top level

Starting point is 01:13:43 Olympic lifter is twice as strong as the top bodybuilders in the world. And it's a very high skill to achieve. Yeah, and what you're asking your body, of course, your muscles need to fire hard and fully, but power lifters do that too. But what you're also asking upon your body is this perfect recruitment pattern of muscles firing in a particular sequence to get them. It's so much skill is involved in Olympic lifting in comparison to other lifts. It's not even there's no comparison. It's a fast loose concept. Yes. So I mean, Pavel talks about this, but it's a tough thing to articulate to athletes

Starting point is 01:14:22 a lot of times because especially if you've come from a strength or bodybuilding kind of a background where you have to learn how to be loose on command. Oh, it's way opposite of bodybuilding. Bodybuilding, you're taught to be, keep tension, the entire, the whole time. It's the opposite. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:39 It's the exact opposite. I was teaching Jessica how to do a dumbbell snatch and she's only ever lifted weights with, you know, when it comes to weights in terms of like a bodybuilder or, you know, with resistance, right, to, you know, to sculpt or build muscle. And so I'm trying to teach her, you gotta be fast but under control.

Starting point is 01:14:56 And she started off like everybody who ever tries to do an Olympic lift, after they've lifted weights for, you know, muscle it up. Super slow. Yeah, it's like a, yeah. And you're trying to teach her to be fast and explosive and it's a skill.

Starting point is 01:15:09 And here's the thing, like if you do Olympic lifts, you know this better than anybody. When you go in to get your lift, you wanna hit that lift with the perfect sequence. You don't have, you don't even have one degree of fucking up in terms of getting the right lift, maximizing how much weight you can lift and minimizing injury. And so how you set yourself up to do that lift is extremely important. This is why I got so into biomechanics and mobility and overall quality of movement.

Starting point is 01:15:40 Because when you look at athletics, it matters so much more than just the raw ability to, you know, strengthen and be able to summon this, like, really loud strength. Yeah, but how are you gonna use that? How are you gonna channel that? How are you gonna include the rest of your limbs in the movement? How are you gonna add anchor points where now I'm stopping preventing certain, like, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:04 parts of my body to anchor down and to maintain this anti-rotation while the rest of my body is rotating. So it's a very complex concept, but once you start to really understand that you can have optimal points of tension in each movement. And that's the part that's next level where you start understanding that as an athlete, I can be loose and then boom, you know, tight when I need it. Till this day of all the programs that we've written, maps prime is the one that I consider like the best.

Starting point is 01:16:40 And I don't mean the best in terms of, it's better than the other programs. It's the most unique and revolutionary. That would be creative. Yeah, it required the three of us to get into Oh, I remember even a flow state like we've never done with, I mean, we had to fucking turn it on to figure it out.

Starting point is 01:16:53 Right. To really figure out how it's complex and we're trying to present it to your average person. So it's, you know, it really took a lot of thought. Well, priming, here's the thing that people need to understand is that is there priming for specific lifts, general priming? Yeah, there is.

Starting point is 01:17:08 But it's not even in the same universe as priming your individual body. Oh, it's definitely not the same thing. So if you have particular imbalances or recruitment patterns or tight muscles or loose muscles or whatever, you, if you prime your individual body based on how you move the right way, you will maximize your specific performance tremendously.

Starting point is 01:17:33 And what you do to prime your body can be drastically different than how you prime someone else. I'll tell you something right now, the way I prime my body for squats and deadlifts is very different than the way Justin would prime his body. And I know this because we both have different mobility patterns and different rituals.

Starting point is 01:17:50 You know, if we call them, you know, going into the lifts, it's all part of it. And if I did my priming like his, it would be better than nothing, but it wouldn't be nearly as good as the one I do for myself and vice versa. And so that's what Maps Prime does, as you go in there and there's something we,

Starting point is 01:18:04 you know, we created called the Compass Test. and you take this test and basically it's three Movements that we came up with as the best movements that you can do that'll help identify The right way to prime your body you do this test you pass or fail Then you figure out okay These are the best priming movements for my specific body and when you do them They turn on the right muscles. They get the right muscles to chill out a little bit. They create the right recruitment pattern.

Starting point is 01:18:31 And then you're lift, it's like going into a lift and feeling like you're in the groove right away. Like better than you've ever felt before. Now, think about Olympic lifting. Can you think of any type of resistance training type of activity that requires you being the fucking groove more than Olympic lifting? I mean, as complex as a barbell squat is,

Starting point is 01:18:52 I would, I would, a barbell squat, not even the same page in terms of getting in the right groove movement as Olympic lifting. Yeah. And so try doing a clean and jerk or a snatch, you know. Like it's, it's so, that's why I guess I had such a Venom when when I see it cross it. Yeah, just thrown into a circuit like it's just completely devalues that Exercise and what the intent of the exercise is for and we know that

Starting point is 01:19:21 Over 80% of the population have no business doing it. No. Oh, yeah. Absolutely not. You're just not you're not there yet. That doesn't mean that nobody in the top of the pyramid. That doesn't mean that there's people that get that can't do it and or they should never do it. That's not what I'm saying. I think there's there's so much dysfunction in us. And I think that that is getting worse because of our habits of sitting and rounding forward on the computer and the desk and the phone and all that shit. These people that can't even do a proper overhead press that are snatching.

Starting point is 01:19:51 Right, no. Which drives me insane. It's a high skill activity getting into the groove is so important and I'll make this point right now. If I was gonna teach a kid how to throw a baseball, of course I just have him throw a baseball, right? But that's not the full answer, that's not 100% the answer. I would teach them how to throw the baseball correctly.

Starting point is 01:20:12 And then they would practice throwing it correctly over and over again. Because if I took a kid and I taught him to throw a baseball like a shot put and that's what he practiced, or that's where she practiced all the time. They'll get good at that specific movement. Would they ever get good at that specific movement. Would they ever get good at really throwing a baseball by playing in a baseball game? They'd be terrible at throwing a baseball, because all they've ever practiced is this terrible technique.

Starting point is 01:20:35 Well, with Olympic lifting, you can go do all the snatches and cleans you want, but if your technique is off by little, if you're not in the groove, if you didn't prime properly and you're just going through the movement, you'll never get really good at Olympic lifting because you're not practicing good Olympic lifting. If you prime properly, that's what you get good at. You get good at good Olympic lifting or good squatting or deadlifting

Starting point is 01:21:02 because it's also obviously for other types of training. And so it's gonna make you better, it's gonna get you better faster by priming properly. And so with Olympic lifting, the truth is, I think everybody should prime and he kind of work out that they do, doesn't matter what it is, you know, running, swimming, lifting weights, whatever. But the one, some Olympic lifting has the rank among the top of how important it is to prime. It's properly.

Starting point is 01:21:29 It's funny, this came up to you. I had one of our listeners, Susan sent me this video of this girl doing a deadlift, and she's going through all these robotic movements, and she was just asking me, can you explain what is she doing? And I was just helping Katrina's friends with her deadlift and the mechanics on these movements. That's not even a lip big lift.

Starting point is 01:21:51 That's not even an explosive lift that you're throwing up over your head. That's just a plain old deadlift. And I'm like, you see all the way she gets her foot in, then she gets her hands and shoulders in position, her neck in position, retract, slides the hips back. I mean, all that is important to get her prime her body to get in the perfect position to lift that weight.

Starting point is 01:22:09 And so it's funny we ended up answering this question because she literally sent that to my DM yesterday. And that was what I was trying to get across to her is that, yeah, it looks funny and silly. And a lot of people make fun of people that have these little rituals before they do that. But they're priming their body. It's just no different than the way a baseball player walks up to a plate and he dust his cleats off, he throws a bat over his shoulder, he tips his cap and he spits on the ground.

Starting point is 01:22:31 Like spitting has nothing to do with his baseball. That's priming his brain. Yeah, it is. No, absolutely. It's falling into that flow state where he can, yeah, sort of avoid all that. But you know priming's more specific, even more specific than that, because it would be him in the dugout practicing swinging the bat or Working on the muscles that he knows he needs to work on it or right?

Starting point is 01:22:50 Well, yeah, we built in the fortification sessions in there too, so there's lots of work everything and here's a thing Look, I'll take and I guarantee you this in five to ten years all Personal trainers will know priming very very well But today if you're a trainer now and you want to separate yourself from your peers, if you want to be a trainer that's like, oh shit, that trainer is different than everybody, and you know shit that nobody else knows, learn how to prime your clients properly before the workouts because it's still right now a lot of trainers don't do it. If you're, by now, I think I've said this like three or four times.

Starting point is 01:23:23 If you're a fucking trainer and you're listening to this show, you should own prime and prime pro hands down. If you don't, that's ridiculous. And it's the fact that, too, you get your money back guarantee on top of that. So it's a no brainer. And I for sure hands down. When we designed all the programs, I remember sitting down, I remember us going like, God, we know what we need to provide for everybody, but we know that nobody's

Starting point is 01:23:45 ready for this yet. If we would have came out with Prime as the very first program, it would have lost so many people that they would have been like, this program sucks. Just give me something that makes me sweat or works me out. But we all knew that it should go with every program that we have. So even if you have any of the maps programs, if Prime isn't involved then or Prime Pro isn't involved then that's really the assessment tool that each and every one of us. It really it's the knowledge between the three of us of Everything that we've accumulated overall. Yeah, and brink right so you add brink in the mix too Have all put together on if we had somebody if we had somebody sitting in front of us What would we do to figure out what this person how they should get ready before every single lift and work out. And that's how we develop prime and prime pro, man. That's a no brainer.

Starting point is 01:24:29 Next question is from K Cody RN. Which one of you has the most muscle mass or lean body mass? What kind of bullshit? Well, that question. That's a style question. It wouldn't even be close if I was competing. But even right now, I'm at 215 weight and I'm probably sitting on fat right now. So I'm probably sitting around, I'm fat for me. Sorry, I'm going to offend somebody who's not lower than 15 or 16% body fat. I'm probably around 15% body fat.

Starting point is 01:24:57 So you could figure that out. 215, 15% body fat. You can figure out my lean body mass. If you know how to figure it out. Do you remember when we went and did the test, the body fat test, all of us at what's his name, the supplement store? Oh, that was over in South San Jose. Yeah, and now it's electronic impedance, so it's not going to be the most accurate, but

Starting point is 01:25:16 it gives you a general kind of idea, and I love it when Adam threw it off just by eating carbs. Yes, but we all went over there and we tested it and then then it could tell you what your lean body mass Yeah, yeah, that's that's when we we all did that. I'm gonna say Doug. Yeah No, are we talking about pound for pound or were they asking? No, I think we had the most lean body mass. I don't know. That's a that's a good question because it's well It's easy. Just figure out you know about what percent body fat you are right? Yeah, I'm probably at like nine Right now. How much do you weigh?

Starting point is 01:25:41 I said body fat you are right. Yeah, I'm probably at like nine right now. How much do you weigh? 196. So do that. So it's 19 pounds of fat on you. So you're probably sitting about 180, 175. You're about 175 lean mass. I'm probably sitting about 190, Justin's probably.

Starting point is 01:25:57 It's hard to know what Justin, do you know what you're about? Yeah, Justin's really fat. So it's hard to tell. Like at least 19 to 20 who knows. Yeah, but I'm like two, I'm like too 30 consistently. Damn. That is a lot of kicks. You know, you're not, the whole on,

Starting point is 01:26:12 you don't look like, we all joke around, fat, whatever. You're not that, you're not obviously a master. No, I carry it well. But you got a lot of, you have a lot of, all the good places ladies. I'm like, yeah, it all goes in the rain. It's all bad. Damn, bro.

Starting point is 01:26:24 You imagine this guy running barely at you full speed? We're actually probably, all of us are probably pretty close to the same lean mask. Give or take, I would say five or 10 pounds right now, for sure. At this moment, yeah. I mean, when I was all checked, when I'm jacked on gear and fucking walk your in. You're tall too.

Starting point is 01:26:39 Yeah, I was up at 230 and then when I'd hit stage at 215 was my last pro show and I was 3% body fat. So I'm 210 pounds of lean body mass on me, which, I mean, you don't even weigh that. So you can't have that. But I mean, right now I'm maybe sitting on probably 180, 190 pounds of lean mass. I like the lean body mass question because not necessarily for us, but for people listening because especially guys who try to bulk all the time, it's a good thing to know about yourself because the scale can fool you.

Starting point is 01:27:09 Actually, no, this is a great question for everybody, including women. How many times have you had a female client lose weight on the scale? Be super like, ah, but you know she's doing it wrong. You test your body fat and you show her, oh, actually, your body fat percentage stayed the same, which means you've lost. Well, remember this much lean body, she gained lean. You remember the story that I shared on here with my client friend,

Starting point is 01:27:30 Jessica, who competed. And when I told her I didn't want her to compete yet, because her metabolism went ready, and she went on and kind of did it later on on her own with a friend. And she did her body fat test at the end of the show, and she didn't want to see it till after she got off stage, and then we sat and we looked at it together, and when we looked at it,

Starting point is 01:27:45 her body fat percentage stayed the same and she lost 20-some pounds. And so she just took off as much muscle as she took off body fat. And that's crazy. It's tough. People wonder that, by the way, how can you lose weight and your body fat percentage stay the same or go up?

Starting point is 01:28:01 What you need to understand, it's body fat percentage is a percentage of your body weight. So if you're a hundred pounds and you have you know 10 percent body fat, that means you have 10 pounds of body fat on you. If you lose, you know, 15 pounds of muscle, but you still have 10 pounds of body fat, well now it's 10 pounds out of, you know, what is that? 85. So you now have a higher body fat percentage, even though you didn't gain any pounds of body fat, it's a greater percentage of your old. That's why this scale is such a terrible indicator of power.

Starting point is 01:28:31 It's stupid, it gives you false, like, I've done this with female clients, I'll, oh, I lost 10 pounds, I'm so happy. I lost 10 pounds and I'll test their body fat and I'll be like, your body fat percentage actually went up and they'll be like, what do you mean I lost weight? I'll be like, well, you might have lost a couple pounds of fat,

Starting point is 01:28:46 but you also lost a lot of muscle. So now, more of your body is body fat than before, because you've lost a lot of your body. And along with losing body mass, you're not going to be able to burn as many calories. Well, and this is most typical when people when they first get started on their kick, right? So they're, I'm out of shape.

Starting point is 01:29:02 I haven't been training. It's all just the winner of the holidays, came around,. Now I'm gonna kick start my fitness right and they come out the gates Balls the wall they tighten up the diet like crazy We'll see you see the aggressive cardio people. Yeah, I struggle with that Yeah, that's when you see this happens so like when and and that's the extreme version and there's everything in between Two there's some people that think they're not pushing that harder, and they think they're doing it right, but they still are, too, because maybe they're not

Starting point is 01:29:29 feeding the body properly. I see that a lot. Like maybe you're not killing it on cardio until in the gym, but you're also restricting calories. You were eating 2,500 or 3,000 calories that were fucking terrible choices, and then all of a sudden you went from that, so your body's now used to 2,500 to 3,000 shitty calories.

Starting point is 01:29:45 Now also you cut to 1,800 calories and you're eating lean and clean and your body's probably utilizing most of that shit. Like you're not feeding it enough to keep up. And then it ended up happening as you drop 10 pounds in that week. And in your head you think you did a good job because the scale's dropping

Starting point is 01:29:59 and you ultimately want to lose body fat. But then you find out that you lost, you know, you lost 10 pounds and maybe some of it was good. You lost four pounds of fat, but then you find out that you lost, you know, you lost 10 pounds, and maybe some of it was good, you lost four pounds of fat, but then six pounds of it was muscle and wide or another thing. So you've got a body fat percentage

Starting point is 01:30:12 that actually can take this, you go up even though you're reducing your calories and you've lost 10 pounds. Super common. Yeah, I mean, if you're telling your body to become more efficient with calories, it's going to want to reduce your muscle mass. Your muscle mass is the biggest, your skeletal muscle is the biggest calorie burner in your body, arguably, right?

Starting point is 01:30:32 Matt per pound, I think the brain per pound of mass burns the most calories, but total, because there's so much muscle, skeletal muscle on your body, that's the biggest calorie burner. And incidentally, it's also something that your body can manipulate quite a bit. Like the last things that you'll lose to save calories are organs, mass and brain mass because you really fucking need those things. But muscle mass, you can get rid of a lot of muscle mass and still function and be okay. And so if you're telling your body to be efficient with calories by eating very, very little calories, doing lots of endurance

Starting point is 01:31:05 type activity that requires lots of efficiency and also requires you to be kind of light. Then what you'll happen is your body will adapt in a way that reduces your muscle mass. Now, what do a lot of people's fat burning routines look like? Exactly that. I'm only eating 1200 calories a day and I'm doing tons of cardio every single day. Well you are telling your body to reduce its muscle mass. It's 100% what you're doing and that is exactly what will happen. And here's the shitty part about because maybe someone's saying like,

Starting point is 01:31:35 I don't care if I lose six pounds of muscle as long as I lose four pounds of fat. Fine, fair enough, I get that. But here's a situation you put yourself into now. Now, now you got to eat, just to stay that way. Now you need to be more disciplined with food. And which is, again, fair enough, that's fine. But you live in a time where highly palatable, easily accessible food is around all over the place.

Starting point is 01:32:01 Yes, it's a shitty place to be. Yeah, you don't want to necessarily, I mean, that's a great place to be if you're like surviving in the wilderness, like, oh yeah, it's cool, my body adapts to be off less calories. It's better at survival. But, you know, if you live in a regular city in America, do you want a super highly efficient body

Starting point is 01:32:19 that will gain weight at anything over a thousand calories? You know, well, if you plan on eating a thousand calories for the rest of life, I get it's okay, but shit, we celebrate with food. We do all kinds of things with foods around us. I don't know about you guys, but I like to have a little bit more of a cushion so I can, every once in a while, do that.

Starting point is 01:32:36 Doing as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change applies to nutrition, the same way that applies to the lifting weights. So it's the same thing. I think that you, if you were eating, and I tell this to clients all the fucking time, if you are somebody who is off the wagon, cause this is typical, right?

Starting point is 01:32:53 You're most people are on or off. I'm not speaking to some competitive body builder, right now I'm talking about everybody else, is on or off the diet, when they're off the diet, they're eating fucking fast food, they're not paying attention to the nutrients that their body is getting, they're not moving very much, they're not paying attention to the nutrients that their body's getting, they're not moving very much,

Starting point is 01:33:05 they're not weight training, so much is not going on. Just a simple fact, if you're starting to introducing weight training into your life and being sick. Yeah, I don't do anything else. Yeah, literally just don't do anything else yet. And then start,

Starting point is 01:33:16 and then start to take the big rocks out of your nutrition plan. Like if you're eating fast food and you're shit, that's not ideal for you, just switch it out for better choices. But still eat when you're hungry. Feed the body, fuel it. If it's like, I don't want any of my clients feeling hungry at all when they're first making this new change of lifestyle.

Starting point is 01:33:32 And you build upon that. You come out the gates, you throw everything out of it by the way. Nutrition is a hard one. So go, I always tell people, like, start slow, step by step, because you have no idea how skewed your understanding of nutrition is and you don't understand how dysfunctional

Starting point is 01:33:50 your understanding of nutrition is. I just witnessed this yesterday. I talked about my daughter's performance, right? The talent show. And they have a little snack shack over there. So I see, at intermission and afterwards, all these kids lined up and parents buying their kids candy to celebrate. Now my ex did the same thing.

Starting point is 01:34:09 She bought my kids some candy. So my kids get at a line that they come over with their candy and I'm looking at them and each kid has a full bag of skittles. Now the average person is like, oh, it's just a treat, right? It's not a big deal. A full bag of skittles is something like 75 grams of sugar, something ridiculous, like an insane amount of, it's like two cogs of sugar that you're giving a small child.

Starting point is 01:34:32 And, you know, I'm not being a food not to hear, it's just we're so skewed with our understanding and nutrition that we don't think that that's a big deal, but that's a lot for two adults to eat. Right. Let it evaluate. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:34:45 It's so much like your body has to deal with that massive influx of sugar all at once and it's a little body with a little pancreas with a little bit of insulin-free-dough production. And I'm like, hold on, I see all these kids in parents' room. So you don't, I'm using an easy example. Like you don't realize how skewed your mortality is. Everybody says they're eating healthy.

Starting point is 01:35:04 Everybody says they're eating healthy. Yeah. Everybody says they're eating healthy. And they don't really do that much bad stuff. Yeah. Every fucking single person I've ever had says that. A hundred pounds of away. And they ride it down. And they were like, oh, really?

Starting point is 01:35:16 Yeah, you think a caramel popcorn is a good idea. And that's typically what, again, what I always go back to is just track for a week or two. Yeah, start super slow. Yeah, just pay attention. I'm like, most people, again, you're right. They think they're eating well, and they're just unaware of what the fuck they're doing. It's like, just become aware.

Starting point is 01:35:31 Where? Just becoming aware of what you're doing already. You'll see you naturally will start to make better choices because you start to feel guilty. You feel badly, you're feeling how you're feeding yourself. Like, oh shit, I'm claiming that I'm eating well, but then I'm looking down at my fucking food track here, and I'm like, oh fuck, I'm not eating well at all you know. So what am I

Starting point is 01:35:47 really doing? And the other people you know is the bulkers you know pay attention to the lean body mass too. I learned this I didn't care about getting lean ever you know through growing up working out because I was skinny I wanted to gain weight. I remember learning this lesson when I bulked really hard. I got my body weight up to like 240, one or 240 or 239, right around 240, which I don't have a big structure, so that's a lot of fucking weight. And I remember being so proud of myself,

Starting point is 01:36:13 like, I got a 240, fucking big. And then I got my body fat tested. And then I looked at the lean body mass that I had gained. And it was like, not even a third, I think it was like a fourth of the weight that I gained was, was, was muscle and so all of it was fat. Yeah. Same exact thing happened to me.

Starting point is 01:36:31 So I layer of double. It was right when we started getting into the dunk take when Aaron was coming around in the fitness wave and I was on a heavy bulk. And I remember it was like, I remember setting my mind out like, okay, I'm, like this is when I tell you guys the stories of, you know, the finishing the night off with McDonald's I could crush two subway sandwiches for lunch rock star Wash it down with like I was just I witnessed it crushing food right a monster

Starting point is 01:36:54 Yeah, and I'm so glad you and I were like super good friends back then I don't think we would have survived. Oh, we would have been into it. Oh, yeah I live with Mark for a while him and I would do the same thing. We push each other. We used to call each other out. You have an eating it? I've already eaten three times, and you push it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna push, you have already eaten

Starting point is 01:37:10 for your friends in line before you at the getting a burrito, and you are, or you order yours, and then he orders extra meat. You're like, fuck. You can't get that extra meat. We used to eat like that, man. We used to eat like that, and try and gain so aggressively. And I remember when I started tracking with the dunk take,

Starting point is 01:37:26 it was, you know, being as accurate as it is and consistent, I could look back at all the times I tested. And I remember how aggressively I was trying to get my weight up and all I cared about was the weight. I just wanna see that 240, 240 plus mark. And I remember seeing my body fat percentage and seeing how much lean body mass I was like, wait a second, you need to tell me,

Starting point is 01:37:43 I fucking worked this hard to put 25 pounds on and like three of it was muscle. I was like, what? Like are you fucking kidding me right now? Like, oh, dude, that was like so depressing man. You see that it's super common in gyms with people who lift weights. So yeah, putting on, you put on five pounds

Starting point is 01:37:59 of just lean body mass and you see a pretty significant change in your body. It doesn't require a shithead. It's the key thing. That's what it is. I mean, for me, if you were to ask me back, if you were probably going to tell me the science back then, I probably would still fucking be doing the same shit anyways because I was filling my shirts out.

Starting point is 01:38:15 People are, oh my god, you look jacked. You look big. And so it's feeding the ego. You know what I'm saying? It's covering up the insecurity of being the skinny guy. So yeah, I'd rather be a little softer and fatter and but bigger and buff, right? So yeah, no, I think that's something you got to go through. You know what I'm saying? I think if that's an insecurity of yours, you got to work your way through it.

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