Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 767: Ben Greenfield Bares All- His Rules for Life, Hacking His Penis, His Family Life, Religion & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Of all the podcasts we did over there at Paleo, Greenfield's episode was one of my favorites. It's up there. Well, for sure is my favorite that we've ever done with them. We've done a lot with that, definitely. We definitely broke some new ground, I think.

Starting point is 00:00:28 Topic wise. Yeah, lately, um, and you know what? What I love about our show too is in it. I will always I think all of us will keep it this way where it's raw and just Sometimes where our head space is and I know some people don't like it. They get frustrated for talking about Political bullshit because that's the climate right now, or got personal stuff going on. But I mean, that's really the most, my favorite part about this show is that, if it's on my fucking mind,

Starting point is 00:00:52 or it's on one of your guys's mind, like, we're talking about it. We're gonna talk about it, and I think we've continued to get more comfortable with that. And even if that means those, you know, third rail type topics, or taboo subjects that nobody else wants to address, like God,

Starting point is 00:01:05 like religion, like spirituality, like politics. Oh, no. And, you know, with Ben, we really dove into him and some of his beliefs and God and things like that. We also talk about things like coffee, animals, and how he injected stem cells into his dick and all kinds of the weird stuff that he's done. You know, all that stuff. That's fun.

Starting point is 00:01:25 His bike accident that he had while he was up there. The one that I made fun of him in the previous episode. Yeah, he was writing an elliptical bio. So I ever choose a dumb bite, which is weird. How about I came out when we were, our drinking episode that we just did yesterday, right? And I was clowning on him and teasing him because of the stupid bike he was probably riding. And then we interview Kyle.

Starting point is 00:01:45 Kyle has no idea that we had that conversation and he totally calls him out. This is the same exact conversation. Yeah, then you actually get to hear Ben now in this episode kind of describe. You know, all joking aside, I'm glad he's okay. Of course. The guy in the guy earned immediately.

Starting point is 00:01:59 And he heals like a like champion X-men. Like I saw what he looked like. Yeah, I saw what he looked like when he first fell off the bike. Yeah, I was not like. And then two days later I'm like, what? How did you heal so fast? Maybe there's something too all this weird shit

Starting point is 00:02:13 that he does himself. He's, I don't know. But this episode gets deep. Super immune system. This episode gets deep and we have some really, really good conversation with him and I agree Adam. The best episode we've had with Ben Greenfield to date. What I want one of the things about Ben is that you know he is a extremely unique individual and

Starting point is 00:02:31 what I love about him is he is 100% comfortable with who he is. He's about is he's real. Yeah he is not. He's not going to waver his beliefs or his thoughts because it's a tough question or it's something that, you know, so he knows that some people are going to not like, like, he's going to speak his mind. And I think he articulates himself incredibly well and he's very, very intelligent person. And so these are the type of people I love to have these third way. Let's get a little bit deeper. I like to talk to somebody who I think is really intelligent. Well, red has a great perspective on things. Like, these are the conversations and the subjects

Starting point is 00:03:05 that I don't want to just, I don't want to debate or argue just some dummy about a topic about this. Like, I want to have this conversation with someone who I respect as another intelligent human being. And that may not totally agree with me and so we can have these discussions. So, hopefully those of you that are not triggered by the word God, you're looking for like neural hacks

Starting point is 00:03:23 or like something, it's probably not the episode. Even though we did bring that up. Yeah, I mean, if you want to know deep about the whole stem cell injections into his dick, we went deep into that. We went deep into the coffee animal, which I know Sal is already getting his rig set up so he can shove a tube of his ass. So that's, that's all really got him excited. I'm not gonna see him again.

Starting point is 00:03:41 I might as well put coffee in there since it's in there anyway. I don't know what I mean. But we talk about the brown flow. The science about that. Cause I always wondered, like, why coffee? That's a fluid of choice. I'm teasing Sal, but I pertin just as much. I was very interested in why you would do something like that.

Starting point is 00:03:55 Oh yeah. And so I don't know. Next time I tell me her, it's maybe you can get me to do it. Maybe we'll stick some shit in her ass. Now Greenfield's got a supplement company now. That's pretty high. It's high quality stuff.

Starting point is 00:04:04 My girlfriend actually uses the face serum and she loves it. And knowing Ben, Ben doesn't full around. So if he's gonna put something out, it's gonna be high quality. The website for his supplements is Get Keon. So let's get g-e-t-k-on-k-i-o-n.com. So you can check out his products. So you of course, hosts the extremely popular and been around for a long time podcast, the

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Starting point is 00:06:06 What's your team shaping up like right now? What do you got going on? A lot, but first. The first. First before we close the loop on beatboxing. Let's keep it in. Yeah. He taught me how to learn beatboxing.

Starting point is 00:06:20 And you say the word boots then cats. You guys heard of this? Oh yeah. Boots, cats, cats. Yeah. Boots and cats and boots and cats you guys heard of this yeah, yeah Get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to for us to the next level, which I don't know what it is. Boom, we're not even two minutes in, fucking knowledge boss, how much you're like, it's in cats. Yeah, the company's coming, this is our first time to put on some big boy pants and do a, do a expo, do a conference.

Starting point is 00:06:55 What's that look like? What's the prep look like for that? I don't know, I just told people. Yeah, he's all going to write the head. I got a team for that show up and write some stupidly big check for fake grass outside of a booth. Are they plastic plants? So what it is?

Starting point is 00:07:12 Oh man. Is it typically like expensive to run and then do people typically get a good return from it? Because I feel like, you know, yeah, exactly. So it's like brand awareness, right? It's show up. It depends so we wanted our booth to be an Experience where you could go and sit and read some coffee table books and get some deep tissue work done and hang out and do oh shit

Starting point is 00:07:35 That was all yours then yeah that whole section where people just like lounging and sitting that was all kind of our section Oh, so that's what I told them I'm like I don't want to just be like handing out little chunks of protein bars and miniature dixie cups of coffee. The people as they walk by because that's not an experience for people. I want people to have an experience. So my initial idea was we'd have like all these little like lounging chambers. You could crawl inside and put some headphones on and just Hibernate and rely like having to be the place we go and relax, but either way It yeah, that that was that was our goal and I think that's a good idea when you go to explore conferences

Starting point is 00:08:11 You need to you just stand out and have some kind of experience, but it um you know what we launched our coffee Uh, and it's the it's a very pure antioxidant rich coffee. Did you guys try it? I did it was delicious Yeah, it was delicious. It was actually very good. It's almost as good as the elephant shit coffee or the weasel poop coffee. Weasel poop, I thought I would have people with good stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:32 No, no, it's a weasel. The mongoose poop, that's it. Yeah, it's a bolly and it's like, it's literally like, I have so. Firmance in the digestive tract. Yes, they pick out the weasel. Or the elephant, the elephant was black ivory coffee. Well, so the theory behind that is that the the weasels go around and they know to pick the the ripus perfect

Starting point is 00:08:49 Barys like right at time right they have the ability to do that So they eat them and then they shit them out and then they make the coffee and this stuff happen It's not just the beans and we see the promo video for that's not just like the selection process It's the fermentation process the change in alkalinity. Oh that I didn't know Yes, yes. I thought it was just because they were picking the best ones. No, that's a lazy way to do it. Well, no, no, no, no, no, think about that though. If you got an animal that's out there, there's more likely their senses are more heightened

Starting point is 00:09:15 than our vision, right? So they're going to get the best ones. So I assume that that was the fermentation. It's like wonder bread versus sourdough bread. Oh, wow. That's sound logic. You get a nice sourdough once it comes out the wieners anus. Wiener.

Starting point is 00:09:27 Wee, wee, wee, same concept except it's a big ass elephant. And I don't know if it's big. Way more expensive because there's a lot more shit. You gotta get this. You gotta get this. You gotta get rid of a lot of shit with the elephant. That one's Black Ivory Coffee. Actually I talked about that on a podcast once

Starting point is 00:09:56 and the distributor emailed me and he's like, I wanna send you some coffee and I never heard back but I was very excited for a short period of time. I'm sure we can tell if it's a shot. For sure, we were in time. It was just a coffee. Yeah, so we launched our coffee and people seemed to like it and we were supposed to be launching a bar. I've been designing a new,

Starting point is 00:10:12 like a clean food bar for that. Different from the one that we've had. Yes, yeah, changed up all the ingredients. Now, opening it. I like that bar. I might get in trouble for saying this, but we had to discontinue that bar because a couple of people actually got like a

Starting point is 00:10:27 tooth damage from the processing because some of the cacao nibs were very large and almost like the texture of a bro 13 Yes, and the answer we had to recall all the bars and redo the whole cacao process shut and then We're supposed to have these bars ready for this next, for paleo-affects, are supposed to get bars in their bags and head out low bars to, you know, have with your coffee.

Starting point is 00:10:53 And the manufacturer messed up, he had quinoa instead of connois. This is what I was starting to tell you. That's what I was saying. So what's the difference? What is connois? That's close enough. I'm glad you asked.'s right. That way. So what's the difference? What is Connie Watt? That's close enough. I'm glad you asked. Yeah, I appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:11:07 So they're very similar. They're very similar in terms of, you know, like, keenwats like a super grass is high in the pain of acids and minerals and fatty acids. It's like they get three eggs, yeah. Yeah, keenwats. But Conniewatt, it's in the keenwatt family, but it's also called baby keenwats.

Starting point is 00:11:24 And it's a smaller and also more antioxidant rich version of Kienwa, because, and if you look at it, it's darker in color. It's like a tiny little blueberry versus a big fat blueberry. The tiny blueberry is technically a different mouth-filled, different texture, more antioxidants. And it's a crunchy mouth-filled.

Starting point is 00:11:41 It's like a crunchy like a rice crispy mouth-filled. That's the mouth-filled that I tested on all the bars, and that's the crunchy mouth feel. It's like a crunchy like a race crispy mouth. And that's the mouth feel that I tested on all the bars And that's the one I wanted and then they finished up and they had keen. Wow. There's some idiot doesn't know the difference So when did you know right away when you've been into it? Yeah, yeah, so so we had to no I didn't even bite into it. We looked all the way but I'm going through all the ingredients the final packaging list and everything It says keen one, wait a minute. So, how many did they make like that? I don't know, I think it was like a $25, $30,000 mistake.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Oh, but they don't charge you obviously. They fuck up. In the supplement industry, if the if the manufacturer basically doesn't, doesn't do the right thing, then they eat the cost. Yeah, they get, yeah. What do you do with all those bars?

Starting point is 00:12:23 Um, I, I don't know, I'm sling a I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,aw, terrible. So how many, Keenwaw, it's so 90s. You had three or four then stations, right? Or how many boot spots did you have to rent out for? Just one. That's just one. That's just one. Okay, I didn't know that. I thought when I saw someone with that big of a section like that, that'd be like,

Starting point is 00:12:56 Oh, yeah, it was one booth, but it was whatever their big ass option is, right? Oh, okay. You can get a small or medium or big ass. What's the difference in pricing further? Yeah, all the levels. You know, I don't know. Of course you don't.

Starting point is 00:13:08 You're the worst dude. You're the worst seat. You guys are worse at the end of the day. You know that I interviewed you and asked about money about analytics. Somebody, why don't you guys send me a speech? I should know better by now,

Starting point is 00:13:18 that's a good question. I know. I have realized that you have to outsource a lot and stick to your best purpose in life. For me, it's writing articles and it's speaking and it's podcasting and it's doing some of the visionary work, like Connie Wau versus Keen Wau. And going out and doing things like that, for me,

Starting point is 00:13:38 I have the numbers and I have the analytics, I have access to all that stuff on my phone, but I just don't have the time. No, it makes sense. It makes sense. Yeah. And I should know by now, all the times we hung out every time I messed you up. Every time I had a day.

Starting point is 00:13:51 I don't know how many people listen to the telepods. Wow. Now what I do sometimes do is I go to the iTunes store and I see what our ranking is. Okay. And so I could tell you our ranking. Right. I know the word. Which that shit's weird.

Starting point is 00:14:04 That's always a bad idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on a second. I need to ask you a serious question. Who are you guys paying at iTunes? You're in the what's hot section permanently. That thing doesn't fucking change. I noticed something weird. Something's going on here.

Starting point is 00:14:20 You are so hot. It's like you're the dry, by McDonald's every day for like two decades and every day on their little board is like, new, the Big Mac. That's not hot anymore. It's been around a while. Yeah, you're lava hot. Yeah, that's all.

Starting point is 00:14:35 Secret sauce, we discover that back in the late 80s. Would anybody of McDonald's try to re-market like that? That'd be great. New, the Big Mac, Mac. You're my fries. So from what I can understand, because I kind of look, and there are a couple others, like Rob Wolff, the Paleo Session, and then Dave Asprey's Bulletproof Radio. There's just permanently there.

Starting point is 00:14:57 They're permanently there, and I think it's because when I first started podcasting, there was, there was Rob Wolff was there and I was there. I think about a year or two later, Dave's appeared. But this was a long time ago. This was like, I think like nine or ten years ago. So I think part of it is just seniority. I think it's just being around for a long enough time keeps you in that what's hot category.

Starting point is 00:15:19 I don't know. I feel like there's a person manually putting them in and just they just don't pay attention. They just left it there I don't know whatever disappears them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think my entire podcasting business hinges a promise I think they don't give a shit. That's what I think it's just for Appendipity and we're like that's gonna how I wonder who you like maybe one person in a cubicle at Apple running the entire Apple Yeah, that's gonna help. I'm not gonna wonder. You're like maybe one person in a cubicle

Starting point is 00:15:43 at Apple running the entire Apple. Totally. What do they call it? What's called the Apple podcast, right? And then they're their abs sucks. Yeah. Yeah, it's terrible. Like everything about it just kind of blows,

Starting point is 00:15:52 but it's still like 80%. Hey, there's a step for you. Yeah, that I made up. 80% or something. Something like that of the podcast that comes from iTunes. I don't know, come from iTunes. I actually think that's a somewhat accurate number

Starting point is 00:16:06 because I do listen to a podcast about podcasting. I listen to the Libsyn podcast. Oh, right. That's because I host my podcast with Libsyn. So do we. And they often will give you little tips during that, like about being a good podcaster. So I listen to that one.

Starting point is 00:16:21 That's cool. Very into that show, they go over stats. Like here's what a normal number of downloads is Here's where most of the downloads are coming from Spotify versus Apple podcasting versus what else is there? Yeah, oh Yeah, so that's that's something that they said was it's still like the lion share of all the podcast now I think that's gonna change though. I see what's happening. I see what's the moves that Spotify is making

Starting point is 00:16:47 and like how user-friendly it is, I think just podcasting hasn't made its way to being cool on Spotify yet, but I think the other platforms do a better job. So it's gonna, it'll be interesting to see how that flips thing and starts to show. Well, there's a lot more money in it now. You've seen a lot of sponsors getting into podcasting

Starting point is 00:17:04 just over the last three years, we've seen a huge change in increase. So now that the money's starting to come in, they're gonna start to pay attention. Now, for me, I only ever use the iTunes app because when I listen to a podcast, I listen to it when I'm working out and I never work out with my phone.

Starting point is 00:17:18 I have this old school Apple iPod shuffle. And I buy these on Amazon. It's their waterproofed iPod Shuffles. There's no, you guys know how I'm not big into Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and haven't too many signals around. So it's just super plain Jane, there's no Bluetooth, there's no Wi-Fi, there's also no podcasting app, unfortunately, there's no speed up button,

Starting point is 00:17:39 there's no slow down button. It's just you plug it into iTunes, you put all your podcasts on it. Why'd you just get a fucking set player? I did, because this is smaller, it's smaller. I can, I can, I can spearfish with it. I can take a cold shower with it, I can work out with it, but you know, I beat them, I bring them to hell and back,

Starting point is 00:17:56 and then I just buy a new one. They're probably hell-achieved right now. Well, they're, they're like, they're around like a hundred bucks. Oh, it's a water, they're not super cheap, but they're waterproof, they're around like a hundred bucks. So that's a wonderful. Well, it's a water proof. They're not super chief, but they're waterproof. They have a good damage policy. So typically about eight out of 10 of the ones that I buy, I can usually get like a damage kind of Amazon refund on.

Starting point is 00:18:16 But that's what I like for the past decade. That's the only way I've ever consumed audiobooks and podcasts. I think like that. And I've used my app on my phone a few times just to see what apps are doing, like try to find my podcast in the app. That's why I know the Apple podcasting app just sucks, you can't find anything on it. But that's all I use is this little Apple iPod shuffle.

Starting point is 00:18:35 And I recommend, you know, a lot of people I recommend these cold showers too, or I'd do it, you start an empty stay with a five minute cold shower. It's like Ray Cronis's 2013 article in Wired Magazine. He got into his whole shiver system. He actually came and spoke. I put on one event ever in my life, and it just almost killed me from the cortisol.

Starting point is 00:18:53 It was the becoming superhuman live event in Spokane, Washington. I flew in Ray Cronice and Jimmy Moore and Monica Reinagal and Dave Asprey and all these folks who I was kind of like dialoguing with in the fitness and the nutrition industry and Ray Kronis was kind of a big deal at that time because he'd written this article in Wyard Magazine about the shiver system, but all he was doing with his clients to allow them to lose a ton of weight was a five-minute cold shower, 20 seconds cold, 10 seconds hot, 10 times through, in the morning, same thing in the evening. That's kind of, I know Wim Hof teaches where you start the first week, you do 15 seconds at the end, cold, then the second, 30 seconds, you go way up.

Starting point is 00:19:35 That's what I follow right now, but I've never seen anyone do cycles like that. That would be kind of annoying. What chronize is a fascinating guy. You guys might want to interview him sometime. He just wrote a book, I think it's called, another book or a research paper called The Metabolic Winter. Very smart guy. Very smart guy. You guys might want to interview him sometime. He just wrote a book, I think it's called, another book or a research paper called the Metabolic Winter. Very smart guy. Very smart guy. Personally, for me, and I've shared this on our show before, like all the hacks and things that I've gotten into in the health and fitness space, the cold contrast thing has been

Starting point is 00:19:59 I think it's going to give you some of that. I can tell right away after I started doing it, well not right away, it took about a year of consistently doing it. Did I notice that, like this, I look back at the year and went holy shit, like I never got sick this year. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:12 And I've always been a guy who gets sick, like four or five times a year, it's just common. And I always attribute that to, wanna have a week of immune system too. I'm always around people and planes and touching handles and shit like that. So I just thought, oh man, I just get,

Starting point is 00:20:24 that's why it's not because like anything else. And then when I started doing that, like it made a huge difference. Yeah, for me, I think getting sick involves being at the back of the airplane, doing all my stretches, doing like push ups and putting my face down in the aisle of the carpet on the airplane. That's probably the,

Starting point is 00:20:39 do you really do that? I do love to work out to the airplane bathroom. Yeah, like the airplane is the one. It's not possible, you're like, yeah, it's. Yeah, you would not believe how many body weight squats you can do. That's actually my rule when I travel is every time I go to the bathroom on an airplane, I do squats. You do not do squats.

Starting point is 00:20:58 I have these little rules in my life. Like they're just spread all throughout my life. Like you got to do a cold shower. That's not weird at all. So the airplane is 20 squats. No international flight, whatever. I've taken a bunch of wine and weed. What, you know, and I'm tired as hell.

Starting point is 00:21:16 Anytime I stand for pee, it's 20 squats. 20 squats. And the rule is the butt's gotta touch that little miniature Japanese-sized toilet seat in the airplane bathroom. Another one is anytime I go to the bathroom at a restaurant, I do 40 squats. So I go on the stall, I do 40 squats. Same thing, but touches the seat and back up.

Starting point is 00:21:35 So it's kind of like a glycemic barrier. Yeah, everybody's like, is everything okay in there, sir? Well, no, because that's why I go on the stall. So you plant your feet, hip width apart, and honestly, it just looks like you're taking a shit. Nobody can tell your stand. So you keep it. So if someone's really paying attention, they would be able to see like the folds at the bottom by my shoes to see that my pants are down. Oh, character, character.

Starting point is 00:22:11 Shit, I don't think I can do squats. But I get that new pooping technique. Yeah, I was getting it right. Yeah, it's really moving. Yeah. I do this a lot. I've got the hex bar dead left outside my gym and I do five reps about every two hours. I go out there and I lift the hex bar. I do 30 kettlebell swings anytime I step over the hex bar deadlift outside my gym and I do five reps about every two hours I go out there

Starting point is 00:22:25 and I lift the hex bar. I do 30 kettlebell swings anytime I step over the kettlebell. It's the base of the stairs. Dude, you're doing trigger session stuff. Here's the thing though, there's a lot of brilliance in that. And I'll tell you what, we're laughing and kind of making fun of you, but I do the same thing. There's a lot of things in my life now.

Starting point is 00:22:41 And this is what I teach to clients. Like to me, those things will change your life more. Then the next this or the next that or the best. It's like, what I tell people is unless you're an athlete, getting a paycheck or you have an event that you're an intense preparation for and it's something that means a lot to you. Exercise, like at the end of the day,

Starting point is 00:23:00 going to the gym should be an option, not a requirement. Right, it should be an option because the whole requirement, right? It should be an option, because the whole day you've just stayed active, right? You've moved, you've walked, you've changed positions frequently, you've whatever, dropped and done 10 burpees at the end of each hour, so you've done 80 burpees by the time you leave.

Starting point is 00:23:16 The office, that stuff adds up. Yeah, I mean, that's our trigger session concept in our program, and that frequent stimulation of muscle fibers results in some pretty incredible gains. You would not believe. I mean, you think 20 squats, 40 squats, and I forgot, like, then that's super easy. You go try on a daily, you know, throughout the day, just a few reps of something throughout the entire day, watch how your body changes.

Starting point is 00:23:41 It blows people away. It blew me away when I first started doing it. Yeah, I've got a conference rule. When I go to a conference, I know I'm not going to work out. I'm not going to lead a workout. I just, I know nothing's going to happen. And sometimes you plan for workout and you get to the end of the day of the conference and people want to go have drinks at 5 p.m. and there's a dinner at set like you just don't. Yeah. Okay. So my rule is, I've returned to that cold shower concept. I do that hot cold contrast at the beginning of the day and the end of the day, right? So, yeah, if I walk into my hotel room at 11 p.m. after

Starting point is 00:24:08 having been a dinner, I can still get myself into the shower, which is great for sleep, too, right? Because it decreases your core temperature. And then for every hour of the entire day, 30 burpees. Just that's the way anywhere go outside, go in the bathroom, go in it, you know, stairwell, whatever, 30 burpees. So on any like super duper busy day, hot cold contrast shower beginning of the day, end of the day, than 30 burpees. Sorry, Alan. The other benefit to this that I noticed

Starting point is 00:24:31 is when you do that every hour type of activity because I've done that as well. And that quite is intense as 30 burpees. But you get this almost new or tropic effect, you know, where you feel like you can think sharper and faster, you're more awake. It's better than any kind of cup of coffee I've ever had. Yeah, except Keon coffee Is there anything you do to like counter stuff that you know isn't like serving your body?

Starting point is 00:24:53 Ideally like if you were to drink all my lungs or something you do to counter that Yeah, that's a good question. I fry what I do like if we go out to a restaurant needing out I'm not making my own food 100% every time Katrina and I will walk for 45 minutes to an hour right afterwards. Yeah, and so the research that they've done on controlling post-prangial blood glucose swings is that it is indeed after, not before, that you reap most of the benefits of movement. Afterward. So, on the right track, it's good. I have the same rule. You must at least stroll for some time.

Starting point is 00:25:23 Sometimes it's just five minutes. That's all you have time for, but a post-prangial stroll, it's pretty shocking, in fact, that has on glycemic variability. I believe I saw a huge difference when I started implementing that. Now, prior, it's actually also quite shocking the extent to which you actually need to work out or the very short period of time that you need to work out to actually notice a pretty significant increase in insulin sensitivity when you're eating a meal. So pre meal, especially pre big meal or cheat meal or carbohydrate intensive meal, as little as 30 seconds of explosive training actually increases your insulin sensitivity.

Starting point is 00:26:03 So you can literally just drop and do 15 burpees as fast as you can. Now, in an ideal scenario, you do strength training, right? You're emptying muscle glycogen levels. Sure. Maybe tapping into liver glycogen levels so that if you're going to drink alcohol, some of that fructose is actually just used to replenish liver glycogen and doesn't even spill out into the bloodstream as triglycerides. So for me, one thing is a good strength training session,

Starting point is 00:26:26 and it could even be just like you, an old school bodybuilding-esque session where your goal is just to decrease muscle glycogen. You're just turning on the switches to change the way your body and the glute-for-transporter. So ideal scenario movement-wise, is explosive training, resistance training prior, and then like a aerobic exercise in that post-price.

Starting point is 00:26:45 I always find there's so much wisdom in old cultures, because if you look at all like the major old cultures of the world, they all have some form of an activity post-miel. So like, you know, Japanese cultures, Chinese cultures, Mediterranean cultures, after a meal, you typically go out for a walk with the family, and it's just something you do as part of the,

Starting point is 00:27:04 it's actually part of the meal, and it's funny how they've done that for so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, modern, modern paleo enthusiasts, they go to the freezer and they get out there at their fat bomb and they eat their paleo fat bomb with the coconut milk and the coconut flakes and they put up, nothing. Oh, it's good. It's not out of your right for me. You know that the ketogenic paleo diet doesn't have any calories in it.

Starting point is 00:27:27 So that's all you need to do. Just get up and have your post meal fat bomb. Oh. Yeah. It's like, you know, a lot of that stuff, paleo effect, was pretty tasty. Yeah, but. I didn't eat a lot of the shooting stuff. Did you guys eat that much this year?

Starting point is 00:27:39 You know, I like taking the supplements that you're supposed to feel for fun. So I did a lot of that. But I saw a lot of CBD this year. A lot of CBD. You know, but here's what I did find about CBD. The ones I saw at least were not dosed in the doses that people typically will get, like the benefit from. So they're like, you know, one milligram or two milligram.

Starting point is 00:27:59 A lot of DHA and added oil. Yeah, all come from hemp oil. Not a lot of DHA and added oil. Yeah, all coming from hemp oil. Not a lot of actual active ingredient. Yeah, it's a lot of. It's expensive. CBD is expensive. What were there? Six or seven different CBD.

Starting point is 00:28:14 Yep. We had a relatively small expo, right? So CBD appears to be one of the new trends. Which surprises me because I was in the CBD industry and payment processors shut you down right and left and you got to change URLs and And people you know Facebook ads will ban you if your business that's doing CBD is associated with any other business You get a full separate corporation. I mean, it's a pain in the butt to be in that which one of you'd mention this morning about The whole the YouTube point down on the new tropic videos. Oh, I did too.

Starting point is 00:28:45 Yeah, I saw that. Someone tweeted me about that. Okay. What's up with that? I have no idea. I just saw a few channels had experienced like, like all of their videos being pulled down with anything related to new tropics.

Starting point is 00:28:56 Have you guys ever had one of your videos pulled down? We actually haven't. Yeah, that was surprising. I got one pulled down. It would, I did a how to give yourself an IV video, where I kind of put my arm out in front of the camera, and it was just me. I propped up my phone and I did the IV

Starting point is 00:29:13 into the cubital vein. I can't show them in any way. Is it just because somebody flaked it? I did. I looked her about a month. I'm guessing somebody, but you know, they said, oh, he's not a doctor. He's, I don't know, maybe I had poor technique,

Starting point is 00:29:24 which I probably do. Because speaking of videos, I want to ask you about the coffee and I'm, please, yeah. He's talking about the fucking incid. Yeah. I love you, bro. You know, I fucking love you sometimes. You go all out, man.

Starting point is 00:29:36 That's great. All in. Yeah, all in. What about it? It's not rocket science. You put coffee in your butt. Hold it in there. You put it out there. Let's first talk about why we would put coffee in your butt. Hold it in there. Let's put it out there.

Starting point is 00:29:46 Let's first talk about why we would put coffee in our ass. Yeah, we could talk about it. Is it because it's already brown? Like, what is the deal with it? Does it taste better there? Oh, it's like the coffee bean. Right. That's exactly it.

Starting point is 00:29:58 So it's because of the brown. What happens to be fart? It's all about color coordination. That's why you don't do a top of chico or kombucha. It's got about color coordination. That's why you don't do it with Topochico or kombucha. It's got to be copy. It almost returns back to Adam's question about alcohol or party mitigation strategies. Part of it is related to that, which I'll explain in a moment. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:30:17 But I also, by the way, to close that loop before I go out to an event where I think I might be drinking or I might be eating a lot of suspect food ever. So I so that I remember I place four activated charcoal capsules. That's how beds say. That sounds like daddy comes around. Yeah. Yeah. It gets charcoal. That makes a big difference.

Starting point is 00:30:37 I helped us. I always have minerals in my back pocket like these little fizzy mineral tablets that you can drop in the in the water as like an electrolyte tablet. So the charcoal, the minerals, and then glutathione. Glutathione is usually the morning after like some kind of like sublingual glutathione. I also have glutathione intramuscular injections at home where you just draw it into a needle and inject glutathione into your butt cheek. It's actually a really good way to absorb glutathione, and then I have glutathione IVs.

Starting point is 00:31:07 So I do two glutathione IVs each week, and that's not because I drink to excess twice a week. It's because I actually have the gene that causes you to not make that much superoxide dismutase, which is an antioxidant. That enhances your glutathione production. So for me, it's almost like a... There's supplementing for your nates.

Starting point is 00:31:27 It's like a hack that is specific to my genetic predisposition, to not make a lot of glutathione. And so that the coffee andema, one of the main things that that does is it causes an increase in bile production by the gallbladder, and it also increases glutathione and antioxidant, not production activity in the liver. Now why does coffee do that? Is it because of the caffeine that goes gets absorbed directly? It's the caffeine, it's the antioxidants, it's the para-staltic effect on the, especially the lower GI tract, when you've got all that in your system. It's almost a little bit of a constriction and dilation response that happens. And what you do is you have this, I'll tell you exactly how I do it, you make your coffee,

Starting point is 00:32:10 use a really good pure coffee. Can you use espresso? Like your brand maybe? I like a good drink. Yes. That's the only reason I wanted a pure coffee for my brand was to put it in my butt in more guilt-free. I'm Italian. Did you like French, French, French, French, French, French? Did you like French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French,

Starting point is 00:32:31 French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French,

Starting point is 00:32:39 French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French, French,, French, French If you want to kind of start small and work your way out and it has all the stuff that activates bio production You don't get the parasitosis. You don't get that feeling of being squeaky squeaky squeaky squeaky clean afterwards But it still it causes that you actually does it make you feel that way. Oh my goodness You just feel you feel amazing you feel just oh god you're gonna get convincing Sal right? There's one guy. I know who's right. He's he's a former bodybuilder. Chris I'm blanking out his name. Search for this as Z.

Starting point is 00:33:09 Anyways, he does a coffee animal every morning. He and his wife both both big fitness bodybuilders. They do a coffee animal every single morning. Maybe it's due tonight. It was to reverse the damage from all the way protein bars and shakes and the all the other constipating nutrients that a bodybuilder consumes. But anyways, you get a stainless steel bucket and you make yourself coffee. And obviously you wanna make it with a method

Starting point is 00:33:35 that doesn't have a lot of ground. So French press would be far in strong, like any in there. Yeah, you're like a paper filter. Sure. And then you make sure you cool it to room temperature so you don't get ass burns. Made that mistake.

Starting point is 00:33:47 That's what I thought. It's like when you sip coffee and it's too hot, you can just kind of spit it out. So put it in your ass. There's maybe put an ice cube in your mouth. If you shoot coffee up your butt, that's too hot. You can't just like spit it out or stick an ice cube up there.

Starting point is 00:34:02 Like it just burns. So check the temperature. You can just put your, you know, wash your hands first, put your finger in there and then check the temperature. And then the stainless steel, I'm a bucket, you just kind of put them up on the counter in your bathroom, and a tube that comes out of them. And you smear the end of the tube with a little bit of coconut oil and you just lay there and you put about a quarter coffee into your backside then you roll over onto your right side

Starting point is 00:34:26 and you lay there for like 15 or 20 minutes and for me I'm usually whatever talking to my phone or now I'm so honest. Hey man what are you doing right now? It's chatting and then you just go and you let it all out. And then you go to the bathroom. You just go to the bathroom and everything comes out and you feel freaking amazing. Now does it do you absorb do you get the caffeine? I was just gonna say, do you get a super rush? You definitely, I mean obviously they deliver medicines,

Starting point is 00:34:51 you know, annually because of the huge amount of vascularization and capillaries down there. So yeah, absolutely. So the bloodstream, yeah. You have to be careful because you might take too much caffeine that way or might hit you faster. In other words, if you're sensitive to caffeine, like you have to be careful with how much you're... I would have mad.

Starting point is 00:35:07 I mean, I've been drinking coffee for so long. Yeah, you're in a million tolerance. It's pretty high. I can see if you weren't a coffee drinker and you needed a coffee animal, you'd probably be pretty wired for a while. Well, you know what? If you're not a coffee trigger, start with your mouth first. Yeah, start with the mouth.

Starting point is 00:35:22 Exactly. So go ask first. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, animals are, like a lot of cultures have a pretty big history, everything from yogurt and probiotic animus to water animus. That's a good topic. What other things have you put in your butt like an animus? No, seriously, I want to go to the toy car. Coffee, obviously, I've done a probiotic animus.

Starting point is 00:35:44 So basically you ferment probiotics and coconut water on the counter You can add butyric acid capsules to it as well to increase you know because when you eat a lot of fiber You'll have to be tired of acid in your colon if ferment you produce a lot of beneficial short-chain fatty acids that help with everything from sleep to Neuro transmitter So so it's kind of a cool way to populate the large intestine But but but be tyric acid probiotics and coconut water, you let it sit ferment for about 48 hours on your kitchen counter, keep it at room temp, and then that would be an example of an animal, and that would be when you keep in for a longer period of time, like you would

Starting point is 00:36:15 literally like hang from an inversion table or a yoga swing or anything else where you wanted to really have it to be like populating your gut, right? This would be in a situation where you had poor gut flora or a bacterial imbalance, or you'd be on antibiotics, and you need to repopulate the gut. What happens if you sneeze? I don't know. Let's find out.

Starting point is 00:36:35 Yeah, so what did you, what were effects from that? What did you feel from doing that? Did you notice anything? Better GI function. Okay. It was GI distress. That was after a period of time where I'd been on antibiotics for MRSA, which if I had to

Starting point is 00:36:46 go back, I probably wouldn't do antibiotics. I'd take more of the regular thieves' essential oil type of route. But I was on antibiotics, so I wanted to repopulate my system. So you can, of course, take probiotics, but a lot of them don't survive the digestive tract intact. And so going, going back from both entities. Have you tried alcohol yet? I've heard of that.

Starting point is 00:37:05 I haven't tried it. I've done THC. THC depositors. And the reasoning behind that was there's a company in Washington called Botanica. And they make, Buddha Tannica, they make something,

Starting point is 00:37:17 they make a lubricant called Bond. And it's a THC sex loop. And it works very well. And you get almost like a localized crotch high. And so I thought, well, we could do the same thing with one of these, like, you know, like they make those THC capsules that have the coconut oil.

Starting point is 00:37:34 It's just coconut on THC. It's not like you're sheaving a bunch of FD and C blue and preservatives up your backside. So I tried this and you really do. You get a localized high for your crotch. That would be like a pre-sex type of strategy to do a THC. So positive. So you're for all these guys? I mean, on that idea. For all these young guys that are the two pump champs, this is a great strategy for you

Starting point is 00:37:56 right here. Yeah, there you go. So I've done a coffee and I've done the probiotic. I've done those glidamins I told you about and I've done the THC thing. And the buck stops there except I have a couple of times actually got pelvic floor therapy. The therapist actually goes in through your butt hole and kind of reaches up inside and gets like the peridium in all those areas that then it gets super duper tight. So it's something more commonly done for women, but you can actually get like a pelvic floor therapy. Do you know what the difference is?

Starting point is 00:38:30 Like kind of percentage wise, if I were to consume that pill versus taking it rectally, is it like how much more does it get digested or your position? You're closing out of right now. You mean the THC one? Any of them, I mean, that's what I've just heard that like that's why alcohol hits you so hard.

Starting point is 00:38:42 It gets more rapid and complete when you go through your butt. It is, but you know about how much. It's just like a subling, I have no clue on percentages. Well, you gotta know some because if it's like the difference of 40 and 42, like, you know what I'm saying? It's like you're shoving up your ass for 10%. You mean for the THC? Yeah, anything for that, it's more just like,

Starting point is 00:39:01 how much that you get a localized high. Okay. I mean, it is. But what about the other stuff? I mean, why not, why not take it? Like, because I would imagine all the things that you were explaining even with the coffee anima, I would think even when you drink it normally, you still get a lot of those, but it's some of those. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:39:17 Oh, really? No, you, you don't get anywhere near the amount of peristalt. Like, you just have to try it, see what I mean? Like, you can drink cup of coffee and kind of feel like it helps you go to the bathroom in the morning. If you do a coffee in a way, it freaking just can't you out. It you feel squeaky clean from your freaking esophagus all the way down through large intestine. So then as soon as you pull the tube out,

Starting point is 00:39:37 are you rushing to the toilet? No, you get a roll over your side and let it pull the tube out and you just let it sit. And when you first do it, it kind of do feel like, oh, I need to go. And you kind of ignore that after about two minutes that sensation goes away and then you just lay there for a while And do you do this on the floor of like your shower? I just I just lay on the floor of my bathroom on my right side So I got a question for you because you do a lot of you try a lot of things on yourself like your wife

Starting point is 00:39:59 Is there ever been a time when your wife was like? I don't think you should Come on dad to your balls, are you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, she's gotten concerned a few times with things that I've done. Let me think of an example where I concerned her. Because I get a lot of just like, fringe supplements and powders and stuff sent to my home. You know what?

Starting point is 00:40:25 She's got to get scared to get back. She was on board with your whole sticky needles and your dick thing and trying to optimize that. She was a little concerned when I came back from the physician and my dick looked like it got run over by a semi-truck. Oh shit. Was it like black and blue? With a black and black and blue and purple.

Starting point is 00:40:41 For real? Like yeah. Oh, Jesus. And I was a little bit concerned too. I'm like Amid and I called the the stem cell Therapeut or not the therapist like like the person who actually is well versed in stem cell injections in near dick and they said that was normal in time you inject anything It's gonna get black and blue and purple and the needles just cause a little bit of capitalization

Starting point is 00:41:08 Was it worth it flow? I think so yeah, yeah, yeah, um, you got a lot of traction from that right? I did I got you that I got you on Joe Rogan. I remember no Little bit later, right? I really talked to person's that what was that experience like? I know, I won't know. Two things. First of all, I did the stem cell injections into my dick because men's health magazine had me do a whole bunch of stuff. They had me do like,

Starting point is 00:41:36 Irovedic practices, like, learning reverse orgasm and not ejaculating for a month and a half. They had me doing like, gas station dick pills, which turned out to be like, still denefil and a half, they had me doing like gas station dick pills, which turned out to be like still denofil and a fedra and not all the crazy fringe. So it's actually by agron a fedra. Chinese herbs. You went a month and a half without orgasm? Yeah. Well, no, I didn't go a month and a half without orgasm. I went a month and a half with the no ejaculation technique, which doesn't work on orgasm.

Starting point is 00:42:06 If you learn, it's called the draw. If you learn, you can, like, as you're about to orgasm, you reach down, you place a lot of pressure on your perinium, and you breathe. You have to practice this breathwork beforehand. The book, The Multi-Orgasmic Mail, is a really good book to teach you. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you draw it back in, and you still orgasm, but you don't actually. But you push up so you prevent it from coming out.

Starting point is 00:42:27 Right. And you still, dummy, don't get it wrong. Where'd you go? Like it's still kind of, kind of. That's why we're in no, it comes out of your nose. It's like out of your nose, it's like an ex. Yeah, and that's it. You do have a great deal of energy afterwards,

Starting point is 00:42:42 but it's almost, it's almost like a frustrating energy. Like, you're in, you're in, we used to call that blue balls, and we were in high school. Before simply giving yourself blue balls, like feeling of taking that. I know what that feels like. I'm feeling of taking like a free workout supplement, but then not getting a chance to hit the gym and work out.

Starting point is 00:42:59 You said that your desk is just like shaking, it's like that. Holy shit, you have to say. He's teaching it, so I know, I'm sorry. I know, and only this asshole would want to do it over here. As soon as we're done with the podcast, you, so you block it, it stops everything you come in on. You press with two fingers in the perennium between your asshole and your dick.

Starting point is 00:43:19 I know that, yeah, okay. He's familiar. I appreciate it. I'll make sure Sal knows where to put the coffee in him a tube. And then the draw is basically this process of taking air and imagine your breath and imagine it traveling up your front side over your head and then back over your back side. Just basically drawing the energy they call it like the jing or the chi energy out of that area up through your body.

Starting point is 00:43:44 So you're basically recirculating the energy, which sounds kind of woo, but when you concentrate on it, what happens is you feel so you're pulling all that energy out of your crotch and up into the rest of your body and it hits your brain and you still orgasm. So it's actually a very interesting feeling, but you don't actually ejaculate. And it's not as strong as orgasm as you would get if you're actually ejaculate. So now when you do this for, because I know when you're pressing on the pruning, you're blocking the ability of the ejaculate from coming out and so it's still in your system. And you're getting, you're definitely getting it before it kind of like goes into the vast

Starting point is 00:44:19 deference and before it's like a full on ejaculate. So this is right before orgasm. This is right before. And then if you do this for a month and a half, when you finally open the floodgates, when you finally open the floodgates, that's a step on it. That's interesting.

Starting point is 00:44:34 It's definitely a condom filling strategy. But you have the floodgates. So having this knowledge, now you must think that these porn stars kind of are we're onto this probably a long time. I've probably practiced some of these techniques. Right well, I mean, you know There's there's all sorts of techniques. I'm a friend. Jordan Gray He's like a relationship therapist and a sex coach and he has all these techniques where I've been he's in it

Starting point is 00:44:55 He's in like a mastermind group with me So we've talked before at functions that we've been at and he's taught me how to do like the wet towel technique Where you get a boner anything the wet towel on your boner, and you just practice with it with a bigger and bigger towel. Cock pushups. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, all these, all these don't have strategies. Yeah, I mean, one that's this very common is,

Starting point is 00:45:14 you'll just masturbate and then stop and then masturbate and then stop and get yourself to the point where you can just get to do very, very closely. Yeah, I'm just, there's a lot of strategies that in that book, the multi-argasmic male book is probably one of the better ones, so let's look at some of those techniques. But anyway, so Men's Help Magazine, how we try that,

Starting point is 00:45:29 the Dic Thills, they had me do like a platelet-rich plasma injection, they had me do like the digital penis pump that my, one of my balls got stuck inside once. Oh no! But I thought, well, it's digital, so I could probably go hands-free and just work on my computer. Well, I kind of cropped the penis pump up against the edge of my desk.

Starting point is 00:45:50 And you just got your like this. And so I'm typing, yes. And I'm typing and you know, there's like a, there's like a, you're porous as a rubber gasket. And you, you, you loop up yourself and then you put it in there and it, and it, it, it, just loop up yourself and then you put it in there and it, and it, it, it, adjust to a certain millimeter mercury. So is that like 30 millimeters of mercury, which is actually pretty hefty. So it's stretching my dick out to like 12 inches. It's pretty, it's kind of a weird like alien like. No, exactly. It's, yeah. And never does the wife,

Starting point is 00:46:17 remember is the wife walking to the office and go, what the fuck are you doing today? Oh my kids walk in. My wife walking. No,, we're very out on my kids know exactly what a penis bump is. I would rather be very open than be like that guy who's sneaking off to the, oh, what's that in your hand, dad? This dad is giant ass coffee cup with a dashboard on it and coconut oil stains about a rubber gasket on the bottom. So anyways, and I'm saying they're typing, and I'm saying they're typing, and all of a sudden,

Starting point is 00:46:47 it's like, and my ball gets sucked in. I look down, and it's just turning purple and blue. Like within like five seconds. So I just desperately start pulling and tugging, and I rip it out of there. So less than learned, don't go hands-free on a digital penis bump. So they haven't tried all this stuff,

Starting point is 00:47:07 but it's culminated that one, like the big one they wanted me to do was like the stem cell injection. And they actually helped, like they helped pay for me to harvest the stem cells from the adipose tissue on my back, which is a relatively expensive procedure. And also the shipping of the stem cells,

Starting point is 00:47:23 the storage of the stem cells, they grow. It's almost like 10 grand of all of them. And V and enzymatic process about 8 grand. Yeah. So I thought, well, risks versus rewards, I can kind of get into this whole stem cell thing, and study it up a little bit, and all I have to do is take the potentially risky step

Starting point is 00:47:39 of actually injecting some of these stem cells into my dick. So I did it. And what happened with the story coming full, was a reporter from Gizmodo read my article on Men's Health and she called me and she said, you know, why did you do this? And I said, well, you know, it helps guys with peronies or rectile dysfunction actually perform better. That's almost the studies on it have been done. But sometimes I think that if something would take you from not so good to good, that

Starting point is 00:48:02 it could take you from good to great. And the idea was we were going to see if this would enhance your reactions or your orgasms or your sexual performance. So I did it. And she said, well, did it get bigger? And I'm like, well, funny. You should ask, I think it did. It seems like it did.

Starting point is 00:48:19 Like, check your messages. My wife has commented to that. And when I look at the mirror, kind of, kind of, kind of, if wifey said so, it is. Yeah, because she's probably no better than anybody, let's be honest. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll do respect to our relationship and the sanctity

Starting point is 00:48:33 of our bedroom or whatever, but yeah, yeah, I mean, like when we're having sex, she's like, you're bigger, like it feels wild. So I tell the report of this and, you know, we've finished up the interview and a couple of days later the headlines on the Gizmodo article say man attempts to make Dick bigger via stem cell injection. And this French magazine picks it up it's like man with small dick and all of a sudden the guy is just so big on the internet. That's like that's what happens

Starting point is 00:49:02 with that telephone. So then the Robin podcast you the game telephone, you know. Right, so. So then the robot podcast, you know, Joe and I, you know, we, we, we text back and forth about archery and fitness and health and stuff like that. And I thought, well, we're going to get on. We're going to talk about maybe a couple of the hunts we've been on and shooting and, you know, I went there and I shot the bow on his, his techno hunt setup down there, which is like a 3D archery setup for indoors, where you shoot at virtual animals. That was super fun. Was that? hunt setup down there, which is like a 3D archery setup for indoors where you shoot at virtual animals.

Starting point is 00:49:25 That was super fun. Chat about working out and hunting, and then we get in there to podcast, and all of a sudden it turns in like a two hour dick fest talking about, but that was not the original plan. And honestly, I don't want to be that guy. I mean, actually, if I'm some single playboy, Globe Trotting, and sticking my dick and anything that moves

Starting point is 00:49:45 I could get that stick being you know the dick stick really being that guy But I that's not what I'm interested that's not the reputation. I want to build but it but because I did that It's like a sound is smart people are very people are very interested in that and so that's now that one of the Reputations I have for better worse is being like the dick hacker Now that one of the reputations I have for better or worse is being like the dick hacker Or as Aubrey Aubrey Marcus calls it the the cock warlock But I'm really like I'm not people like is your wife just tired all the time She goes just bangin' all day long with all these you know sex experiments you're doing this We have a pretty normal normal life. I mean we we have sex a couple of times a week and that's funny

Starting point is 00:50:23 And then we don't have an open relationship. I'm not out there like walking into sororities to test out my stuff, so, but just not. Yeah, so anyways, though, it's interesting how that article kind of blew up and how far. I have a question I've wanted to ask you, because we've been to your place and we've hung out quite a few times.

Starting point is 00:50:41 And I know you have an incredible relationship with not only your wife or kids, you guys have an incredible family. If you guys get into a fight, what is it about? Typically, and it's pretty rare that we get into a fight. Yeah, you seem like that. You guys are a great dynamic. Right, usually it is because

Starting point is 00:51:09 trying to think of the best way to explain this. I am used to being given a great deal of respect in the industry that I'm in. Like people look up to me and you know, I have a lot of yes man around me. We're like, oh, man, that's so cool that you're doing this and you're doing that. Not a lot of people say, that's a stupid idea. You're an idiot. You shouldn't do that. We're not not a lot of people kind of question what I do. We're giving me a hard time or say,

Starting point is 00:51:32 you probably shouldn't be doing that. So occasionally, we bash heads on that type of thing. You know, when I feel as though I'm not getting a lot of respect and sometimes I'm trying to think of and I don't like to be vague, I like to think of an actual specific exam. Right, I'm searching for, I'm searching for your last argument or your fight.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Like what it was, that's what I'm going through my head. It was the last one, oh, I got home and we pride ourselves on really being good parents for the boys. And when I leave town, I actually have them do. I write out a full sheet. Here's the workouts you're going to do today.

Starting point is 00:52:12 This day you're going to the obstacle course. This day you're going to go shoot the bow. And I write out, for them to remember, little things I can check off. And if you check all this stuff off, you do your journaling, you do your meditation. Do your cold hot each day. So they do the sauna and the cold pool. And I write out these pretty elaborate sheets because I travel a lot. And so it helps them when dad comes home.

Starting point is 00:52:30 What if the brilliant way is still be connected and to see what you're going to get to save up points for the legos, shoot me photos of their gratitude journal act kind of stuff. And I got home. This was two months ago after a big trip and Jess, I had lost the sheets and everything kind of fell to pieces. I'm like boys where you gratitude journaling I could you know and they kind of were squirming a little bit and I could see that that a lot of things that kind of fall into pieces while I was gone.

Starting point is 00:52:55 And you know and then my wife basically you know told me that you know more or less it's okay don't worry about it. No not it's okay don't worry about it. No, it's okay, don't worry about it, but more like Ben, you just don't understand how busy we got when you were gone, how many other things were going on. And I was just like, this is not hard to do. These are simple habits and simple routines.

Starting point is 00:53:17 You make them automatically, and I started to go off on a tyroid like I do with a client, right? I was trying to get the frickin' do your workout. And yeah, we bash tazs, and then usually what I do is a client, right? I was trying to get the frickin' do your workout. And yeah, we bash heads. And then usually what I do is I go outside and I take some deep breaths. And this happens maybe once or twice a year

Starting point is 00:53:33 that we get into an argument. Like we don't argue a lot. But typically it's about something like that where I just feel like I'm like, wait, somebody's not respecting something that I set up and almost like blowing off something that I find very important. Like that's the type of thing that would usually argue over. Now you seem a very

Starting point is 00:53:48 self-aware and self-reflective person. You say you walk out right afterwards. What do you see in yourself that's not healthy or not good for you from that type of an argument? I do not wear my emotions on my sleeve and I tend to shove them down inside me. I'm a guy who can build up like bitterness and built-in pent-up emotions unless I express those. And so example, I've taken the any agram analysis and my type is a type three achiever. It's a wonderful personality test, but one of the things that achievers tend to do is they can be very robotic and expressionalist and emotionless and a lot of their business activities because it's all about achieving, achieving, achieving no matter what. And you know, just do this, do that. Yes or no sir, thank you ma'am. And we tend to not wear emotions on our sleeves and stuff

Starting point is 00:54:37 builds up. And then if I don't express my emotions or say the way that I feel and that builds up over several months, I tend to have just this, like, this explosion of rage where I let it all out. And I've realized that if I'm going, if I feel all that building up inside of me, that rage, I have to step away. Otherwise, it'll be an inside

Starting point is 00:54:56 and get a punch through the wall and shout something. So if you walk out into the forest and I walk and walk and walk and breathe and just let it all out. Have you created any practices to help maybe prevent that build up? Working out. That's a lot. Yeah, probably.

Starting point is 00:55:11 That's a pretty good form of catharsis honestly. Like for me, a good workout just lets me burn off all that energy and I grunt and I groan and I scream and I just get it all out. So I'm a big fan of working out for that. Besides your wife, and then I also date nights with my wife. So about once every two weeks we got on a date and we don't talk about the kids and we don't talk about business

Starting point is 00:55:33 and we just share our feelings and our emotions. We're going through a book right now called The Seven, things called Seven Principles to Make a Marriage Work or The Seven Ways to Make a Marriage Work. Written by this guy in Seattle, Fast and In Guy, he runs something called the divorce lab. And couples walk in there and he can tell within two minutes to something like 90% accuracy,

Starting point is 00:55:51 how likely a couple is to separate. And it has this fantastic book. I think it's called The Seven Ways to Make a Measure. My wife and I are going through that book where you just do certain exercises together. Like you'll sit at a date night and just talk about your entire childhood experience and your relationship with your mother and your relationship with

Starting point is 00:56:08 your father and we'll cry and we'll share things we'd never shared with each other. And that's a very good way to ensure that she is getting a release of my emotions and I'm getting a release of hers and we're not just passing like ships in the night or building up these pent-up emotions that we then let out when we get into an argument. What do you think draws you and your wife together that draws all the way back to you guys as a childhood? Like was her childhood similar to yours? Or was it complete opposite?

Starting point is 00:56:33 And that's what makes you guys a great team. You know, she is very much... She's actually very much yang to my yin. I wouldn't say. She's a little bit more of like a tomboy, Montana rancher girl. And we have very opposite personality. She's very type B, very disorganized, very unscheduled, very artistic.

Starting point is 00:56:57 She's dyslexic, so she's not going up reading or writing. Like a lot of things that I'm good at, she's not good at, but she's amazing with creativity and cooking and arts. And, you know, that was one of the reasons we quit homeschooling was she just, she's not teacher, she hated school, and I love school. And even though we grew up in similar environments, like we both grew up in Idaho after she moved to Idaho

Starting point is 00:57:20 from Montana, and we had somewhat similar upgrimming, upgrimming, kind of like more strict, Christian homes that we grew up in. And very traditional, you know, North Idaho. So your values are very similar, but your very similar values, very different personalities, exactly.

Starting point is 00:57:43 Right, right. So we balance each other out quite a bit. We're best friends for a couple of years before we got married in college. Oh, see, that's cool. It makes sense why the thing with the kids would happen, though, too, because you say what she says about with reading and structure and she like that,

Starting point is 00:57:57 why that would be something she would be like, no big deal. Exactly, because I like all schedule a tennis lesson for the kids like a month and a half out with this amazing tennis and all I do, I have everything planned, I'll get home, and I'm like, how was a tennis lesson for the kids like a month and a half out with this amazing tennis and I have everything planned, I'll get home. I'm like, how was a tennis lesson? She's like, what tennis lesson?

Starting point is 00:58:09 I went on Google Calendar that it was all set up and you got the email reminder, she's like, oh, I didn't check my email yet. I'm like, what do you mean yet? And it's like six days ago, it was the last time she checked her email. I mean, you know, you look at her phone, it's got the 72 message notifications on it

Starting point is 00:58:23 because she has looked at the messages. Like, it's like that's like like I left you a voicemail. I didn't notice you called. You could see she's got 12 unchecked voicemails on her phone. So yeah, we're completely opposite. Whereas me, there's a little red message on my phone or push notifications. Boom, it's out. I pride myself on zero inbox.

Starting point is 00:58:39 Yes, so yeah, we're... That's got to be really good for you though. You know, it's got to be really good for you because you got to know that about yourself that you know So it's true. Yeah, that have a partner that kind of brings it back to it very much It very much keeps me grounded and it also really helps me to have somebody who just laughs their ass off at me at home When I put on my blue light blockers in my sleeping mask and my binaural beats and my lavender essential oil and She just kind of she's just laying there. I was falling asleep. Have you found yourself like because you know that

Starting point is 00:59:10 you know she's so good for you for that to like practicing like okay this would be a thing that I'd be really frustrated but let's let it go it's one time it's that have you found yourself having that conversation with yourself where you get kind of frustrated to get mad and you're like you know what it's not that big of a deal. No, but I think that's honest. I'm still struggling with it. Yeah, I'm very much set in my ways. I'm just a rigid scheduled,

Starting point is 00:59:38 relatively type A person. It's how I've built my life on a series of habits and routines and doing 20 squats and you go to the bathroom on the airplane, all this stuff. And so I don't break out of this schedule as much as I understand people who don't live that way by being married to my wife for 14 years. I really get that client who I work with, who I load up with all their workouts and their meal plan for four weeks and I spend,

Starting point is 01:00:05 you know, four hours on a Saturday just getting them completely lined up and then I check up in with them the month later and they're like, yeah, I was traveling at a push-up, sun Monday, and here's my diet. It's just like, you know, it's, you know, whatever peanuts and top ramen and, you know, normally my head would just frickin explode. If I also didn't live with somebody who is like that. So it's helped me a lot to understand people who aren't as frickin' anal or attentive of OCD as I am. What about the things that you...

Starting point is 01:00:37 The people who won't do their coffee at this. What about the things that you've seen expressed in your children? Have you seen your personality traits? Good and bad that you've seen expressed in your children? Do you have you seen like your personality traits? Good and bad that you within your kids. Oh, yeah, that's the weird thing. I'm sure that I think it's cool These guys talk about that with their kids all the time. I love it. They're like my son Terran You know, I I would when I was a kid. I was very I was very kind of like distant loopy

Starting point is 01:01:03 Absent I was like the absent-minded professor, right? Just just, I was smart, but I was just kind of out of it and really, I think in your own world, I didn't give a shit about people that much, you know, I just wanted a book and a wander around. People would tell me stuff and I'd be like, what, what'd I just say? Just because I wasn't listening.

Starting point is 01:01:19 My son, Terran, is very much like that. I hate it. Because I see, I see, yeah, I see me in him when I tell him to do something, you know, whatever, cooking dinner and I'm like, can you go grab the olive oil and then I'll look over there and he's reading Captain Underpants, you know, and I'm like, olive oil. Great place. He's like, what? Olive oil.

Starting point is 01:01:38 Oh, okay. And for me to see that, you know, and, and a certain part of me is like, oh, that's cool. I have a little bend, who I can train to be a big bend. A better, a better, for me to end at the same time everything he does that annoys me about myself kind of kind of irks me. So yeah, Terran is very much like that river is a lot more, honestly, river is very,

Starting point is 01:02:01 and he's type A, he's scheduled to do this. He's like, yes, river, go. You're like the person who I aspire to be, and then Terran is just like, you know, he's a kid who's probably ain't grow up to be whatever an artist who paints abstract with oil or something like that. That's so great. Wow, wow. Are there some, what are some of the biggest things that your wife has taught you that you've

Starting point is 01:02:21 been able to implement yourself? Because you guys are so different. that you've been able to implement yourself because you guys are so different. Mm. I, really the biggest one is I, in the whole, like, you know, biohacking supplement, bodybuilding, fitness, you know, industry, you're just used to,

Starting point is 01:02:39 just from like a nutrition standpoint, you know, protein bars and you make your stir fry and you're broccoli and chicken and rice when I met her, she know, protein bars and you make your stir fry and your broccoli and chicken and rice. When I went home at her, she was like, she grew up in this household, this ranching farming household where when you want cinnamon rolls, you go and you make some sourdough bread and you make the frosting from scratch and you grab what you can out with your refrigerator and you go outside to the garden and harvest what you want and when you want to have me,

Starting point is 01:03:02 you got to go and find the sheep that needs to be killed, and you kill the sheep and bring it in and dress it, and make a, I wasn't used to any of that stuff. I grew up in the family that was taking bake pizzas and hamburgers and iceberg lettuce. So I learned a lot from her, just about, you know what we might call like a Weston A. price as she's approached to diet

Starting point is 01:03:20 or an ancestral nutrition approach. Just living in a very simple ancestral way. That's one thing. Another thing I've learned from her is she's very fit. She'll drop into a Spartan race and just crush it or a trail run and absolutely crush it, but she trains maybe once a week. Really?

Starting point is 01:03:38 A formal training session. She looks very fit. I remember when I met her, she was shredded. That's all she trains. Pushes wheel bearers around and she's active all day. Garden and she's out into the ghost and the chickens and it'll be zero degrees outside and look at the window. You know, when I'm inside podcasting

Starting point is 01:03:53 and she's chopping wood in her coat, outside with the wood pile and it's just, sometimes I get jealous. Sometimes it's like that's the life that I need to be leading. But it's not, it's not like, you know, my calling is, God made me good at writing. And so I'm good at hunched over being a hunch over a computer inside and working on books

Starting point is 01:04:17 and podcasting and speaking and doing some of the things that I do, but she's just a frickin' workhorse. And I guess I've seen that it really is true that you can build copious amounts of pretty extreme ancestral fitness just by working all day long. Now I'm supposed to be obsessed with getting the job. It's a constant work, man. And it's amazing what the technology has done now

Starting point is 01:04:40 to where it's limiting us for that movement and how you see our bodies shaping and changing man. That's crazy. I have, I wish people could, well, they can look on your page and see a picture which he looks like. She's very fit. She's very fit. She's got for an eight pack.

Starting point is 01:04:53 Yeah. She's like, literally like 9% of body fat. She looks like a, oh, just like a female competitor like six weeks out of a show or so. Yeah. She's incredible. But also healthy though, because a lot of times when women get that lean, they don't have that, that they don't look healthy, but she also you guys all look very healthy. She's never missed a period since we've been married, like I mean, aside from when she's you know, been pregnant, you know, there's been sometimes

Starting point is 01:05:16 when, you know, the hormones have kind of fluctuated a little bit. But yeah, for the most part, I mean, she's she's just like normal fertility, normal health, like not all the things you'd see with like a OCD exercising, right? Anorexia, Neurosa, whatever, type of girls. Yeah, that's really interesting. You mentioned how you said God made you good at writing and you mentioned being brought up in a very strict, I guess, Christian household. And I know you did a podcast or maybe a couple podcasts where you talked about your faith. Is that, and I don't think that's very well known.

Starting point is 01:05:45 Does that play a massive role in how well received is it? Yeah, with your audience. It's pretty well received because when people are going on there, you know, 28th, Iawaska trip. Let's go here. trip. Let's go here. Pursuit of six pack abs and, you know, trying out eight different diets and, you know, even up this paleo-effects event, everybody's searching, everybody's looking for the next thing that's going to make them happy. Until you take care of that inner, shriveled up,

Starting point is 01:06:23 neglected part of you, your soul. And we know that that's related to everything from love and life and relationships to belief in a higher power or at least a very intense sense of a purpose for your life, a story, like a pre-written story that you were born to live out versus this fatalistic notion that were a bunch of pieces of flesh flying through a rock, you know, through space, trying to see who can have the most sex and make the most babies or who can survive the longest. It's, you know, all that is, it puts you on this never-ending wheel of just trying to find happiness, trying to find fulfillment when until you actually connect with your soul

Starting point is 01:07:06 and connect with the higher power and a purpose and story for your life, I feel like especially in our industry people are just gonna be constantly searching. And so for me to know that, whatever, I got hit by a car, my bike the other day, and slammed my head into the pavement, and a lot of bad stuff could happen. I could have gone from being a super fit CEO

Starting point is 01:07:24 of a company to just like a freaking laid out paraplegic with my neck broken. I still know that no matter what happens, I have that soul that you can't take away from me that I believe is gonna be around for eternity. No, so it's really, what I think why your audience receives it really well is because you're not a Bible thumper,

Starting point is 01:07:44 you're not somebody like that, you don't press it on anybody else. Now, I wanna know how that if you have any conviction or struggle, because especially here this weekend, we're surrounded by the Iohasca fucking people, a nation without rolling people into the bus or names, and that was one of the things that, because I grew up in a very similar home,

Starting point is 01:08:03 we've talked a little bit about this. And so it took me a while to get okay with even having so many of those comments. In fact, I still find myself getting annoyed a little bit. We just got on, we did an interview just yesterday and you know, first five minutes, Ioska comes up and then it's just kind of, I roll my eyes.

Starting point is 01:08:21 I roll my eyes and I feel like these people are searching for something that doesn't require getting high or a drug for. And that's just because I believe I was raised with that. And so how do you deal with that? Cause I know you're around it a lot. Plant based medicines do bring you closer to God. They really do.

Starting point is 01:08:41 I feel like they're there for a reason. And I've been on Iowaska trips and some pretty intense DMT experience where I've been closer to God than I've ever been inside of a church or during Hall of Tropical Breathwork or any other form of non-plant medicine or non-chemically infused religious experiences. At the same time, I recognize that they are not, they're like a means to an end and they're not the end itself. And I think that a lot of these plant medicines from ayahuasca to freaking weed, to eboga, you name it, they were all placed on this planet for a purpose to allow us to sometimes open up and have a more intense religious experience or become closer to God. And I think that they can be used in that way to receive divine messages or to, you know,

Starting point is 01:09:31 I'll fill up 10 pages of journaling with it with amazing ideas for my life and inspiration and purpose. But I never fool myself into thinking that those are going to truly fulfill me these plant medicines or these journeys, these escapes as much as they're just going to give me some clarity into my actual purpose and the actual story for my life, or what God would have me to do. It's so unique though. I mean, I was raised the same way

Starting point is 01:09:54 and it went through a very, what was brought up with a very Christian background, and to have somebody go through those experiences was pretty much frowned upon. So how was that in terms of like, I know you're very visible in your community and your church, how do they receive that? I'm not very visible in my church

Starting point is 01:10:17 because I'm out of town so much. Well, I'm like, hey, man, I'm joining us for church. I mean, after being gone for 10 weeks, I see. Which is actually true. A lot of these events, these races, everything, just out of town or traveling on a Sunday. It is something that I really don't talk about that much when I'm at church because it really aren't. A lot of like-minded people in my community who are into that. It's still pretty rare in just traditional American religious communities for this stuff to be embraced or accepted. I find a lot of people who go to church, they're

Starting point is 01:10:55 now using things like marijuana at night, tell them sleep, but they kind of keep that hidden right. They don't talk about it. They know you also, one of those people right? He's so true. Smokes the joint. The devil's lettuce. The devil's lettuce. Yes, the devil's lettuce. And it really doesn't have a lot of mainstream acceptance. You know, there's a guy's fucking Jamie Wheels out there on the lake behind us on the

Starting point is 01:11:23 boat. And you know, guys like him and Steven Colley writing these books about how civil-assibing can bring you into a more intense religious experience and I have taken a gram or two of civil-assibing and gone to church before it kind of tap into that. Oh shit. Wow. Dude, you got to tell me what was that like. I mean, you like the music feels like it's you know your senses are heightened as you know, with psilocybin. So the music is sweeter and the spiritual experience that you have seems deeper, but you feel like everybody else in the church needs to be on psilocybin for you to actually truly have that collective group or religious experience that like Stephen Collar and Jamie, we'll talk about and stealing fire. And I like, it's not that way in my life. I don't have a group of people

Starting point is 01:12:04 who I go and worship with and we're all on psilocybin. You probably, you know what? You probably are going to like a done to nomination, bro. You need to go to like a pinocostal or something like that. I guess so. Because maybe we'll stay in the league

Starting point is 01:12:15 and like some psilocybin in the community wine or something like that. You know the grape juice. That's wrong. That's right. So yeah, it's interesting. And I don't want to give people the impression that you need plant medicine in order to have

Starting point is 01:12:27 a religious experience or in order to have a deep relationship with God. With a full life purpose or anything like that. But I think that using that type of thing occasionally as a way to perhaps ask yourself that question, what is my purpose in life? And then you go on an Iowaska trip or a DMT experience and you have a journal with you and you're writing down your experience. And

Starting point is 01:12:48 for me, it also involves specifically naming and recognizing that there is a God and that you're attempting to simply see what God has written for your life by going to that place. And for me, any plant medicine experience has never been dark. It's never involved vomiting. It's never involved spirits. it's always been an extremely positive love and light-filled experience where I'm getting messages from God. I think it's important that people understand, and this is established by psychologists, and I'm reading Carl Jung right now, I'm reading a lot of his works, and we seem to need to worship something. Now, this isn't a criticism.

Starting point is 01:13:27 It just seems to be something true about humans. And if it's not God, then it might be money. It might be science. It might be the state, you know, one of the first things that these totalitarian states do, like the terrible 20th century, the 20th century, with these communists and fascists and totalitarian states is one of the first things they do is they undermine the church and in some cases make worshiping anything illegal and as a result people worship the state and that becomes their God.

Starting point is 01:13:59 And we see what happens many times and our modern Western societies is that people start to worship things like money or material objects or drugs or substances like ayahuasca or you'll see people saying things like, I don't hear people say as much, you know, well God did this for me. I hear this a lot. The universe, the universe did this for me. Look with the universe did it's like, you don't realize you're replacing the word God with the universe. The same thing. Yeah, or their crystals or whatever.

Starting point is 01:14:27 And so we seem to have this desire, this need to believe in something bigger than ourselves. And if you try to fill that with something, and here's a thing with, have you heard of the term Christian atheist? I just learned this the other day. And it sounds like that doesn't make any sense. I just learned this the other day. You can't have a better name for that though. Chaseous.

Starting point is 01:14:46 Chaseous. Chaseous. Chaseous. Here's the thing, like some of these practices have lasted for a long time because there's a lot of wisdom in them. And what a lot of atheists are doing now is they're starting to follow the beliefs and structures

Starting point is 01:15:02 of the Judeo-Christian religions because they see how effective it is and how much it works without necessarily believing in God. So they say, oh, these are good practices. And so they're calling themselves Christian atheists. So yeah, if you don't, that spiritual side, that finding meaning side, I don't think you can find it from material things.

Starting point is 01:15:23 And I think if you constantly are looking for that fulfillment, it's a bottomless hole that you'll never fill. Yes. And this is where you'll see this, you see this with people with all the money in the world and they seem to have everything going for them. And they're just, they're eternally depressed and sad and life has no meaning.

Starting point is 01:15:40 And so, a lot of times people, I've asked in the past very intelligent people and scientists, how do you rectify your belief in this mythical, you know, or this supernatural power with your understanding of hard science? And some of the best explanations I've gotten is, well, it gives me a meaning that, you know, nothing else, nothing else gives me. Certainly people will make an argument for quantum physics for the movement of proton particles, for there's a book called Proving God, in which they use quantum physics to attempt to prove God.

Starting point is 01:16:11 I really don't think science can necessarily prove. It's the wrong tool. It's not a tool that it can't do that. Yeah, I don't think you can prove. I mean, it would be like, I mean, I can't do anything. I love the way that Paul simplified it. I think it's just, you know, if you were to go down that rabbit hole and you eventually

Starting point is 01:16:28 still have to ask, well, what made that? You know, eventually you can keep going, going, going, going, going, going. And eventually you still got to say, well, I made that. Well, I made the very first part of called the cause, the big bang. Right. Right. I mean, you can watch it and figure out it's watchmaking. So yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:16:44 I think that's such a great, it's very simple. Some people say the same thing about God. They say like, well, in the beginning was God, but what made God, and that's where you get to the point where, and I'm totally comfortable saying this, I'm just like, I don't know. Okay, I don't know. But all I know is that my life is a lot happier

Starting point is 01:17:00 and meaningful and more purposeful, and that all these blue zones display this relationship with a higher power, and there's this built-in human story to where we almost have this craving or this need for this puppeteer in the background, like writing these stories and running this amazing journey for our lives, and it's almost like a more hopeful way, you'd think it'd be fatalistic, right?

Starting point is 01:17:23 Like, oh, this is what my purpose I was born with, and I can't change, but it's actually an amazing way hopeful way. You'd think it'd be fatalistic, right? Like, oh, this is what is my purpose I was born with and I can't change, but it's actually an amazing way to live once you recognize that. One of the greatest, one of the greatest, go, go. Back up to the blue zone connections. I didn't know there was one with, oh, people who believe in God live longer. That's the style.

Starting point is 01:17:38 That's the Japanese purpose, the Ikigai, they call it. And it's also something you see in all these blue zones a belief in a higher power or a greater story that's written for your life or some form of a religion. It's consistent across. All the blue zones. Oh wow. People who believe in God have talked about the blue zones several times on our show but not for not with the correlated with that they've had. Well you know why they don't make it they don't really talk about that as much as they're eating habits and activity and all that stuff, because they tend to... Which I find funny, because in my opinion,

Starting point is 01:18:11 I think that is far more important than the other things we've done. I think they just credited it to a certain extent, also related though. I mean, what's religion associated with, is associated with fasting, with certain dietary principles. Community, it's a play lifestyle, principles, community, stories. Which is why I think it's important.

Starting point is 01:18:30 Degree of emphasis placed on relationships and love. But that's not the way they say it. What they say is, oh, what they have in common is that they have community or that they have, they have lots of close friends, but they don't say, oh, it's because they're spiritual or religious, they cut that part out, they discredit quite a bit, but that's actually,

Starting point is 01:18:50 that's the driving force. One of the greatest, and look, I'm agnostic, I'm not particularly religious, but I used to be an atheist, but I'll tell you what, I mean, you cannot deny this. One of the greatest gifts that, in particular, the Judeo-Christian religion has brought mankind, and I'll argue this

Starting point is 01:19:08 with anybody all day long, is the belief in the, the sanctity of the individual, that each individual is special made in what they would say in God's image, and has available rights or liberties or whatever you wanna call them, this is a radical notion, This is a crazy notion. When you get to understand before that became a thing, like,

Starting point is 01:19:31 kings and queens and emperors were gods, and there were people who were below you, and you were not equal. Like, you're a peasant, like, no, you do what I tell you, or we'll kill you, and nobody batted an eye. Not even the peasants. Many of them thought, yeah, this is the case. And so then you had this, all of a sudden, you have this religion saying, no, everybody is special. Even the most cripple, the most sick, the sinner,

Starting point is 01:19:54 and the king, and the poor, and the rich, you're all under, you're all the same under the eyes of God. And so this created this mentality that brought forth Western civilization, which has brought more equality, more wealth, more, I mean, science, science, a lot of the, the renaissance was, a lot of that was funded by the church. And of course, they had their, their separation at one point. They fought. And that's more of a power struggle. But I mean, that's what gave us the beliefs that we have now about people because that

Starting point is 01:20:28 is that is radically not a normal thing the normal state of man is squalor poverty it is tyranny it is if you're stronger your bigger and you have more power you control other people and you take from them and this was totally acceptable this is just how things were and it flipped it on its head. And that would not have happened had you not had people who believed that this came from a higher power. Because there's nobody with, who the hell with power and money

Starting point is 01:20:55 would have said, you know, just voluntarily, hey, you know what, everybody's equal actually. Those peasants down there, they deserve to be treated. Nobody would have given that up, but that came from a higher power. So believe what you will, you, those peasants down there, they deserve to be treated. Nobody would have given that up, but that came from higher power. So believe what you will, you don't have to be religious, but give it its credit without that, we would not have free societies, plain and simple.

Starting point is 01:21:13 It just, it just, hundred percent came from that. So I have a very deep respect for, even though I don't consider myself a religious individual, you know, when I see some of these things, I'm like, hey, you know, it's fucking ancient wisdom. And if you try to throw it away because you think, oh, we're modern and science has got all the answers now, I think you're wrong. And in fact, I see, I see a lot of danger with that because science that is unchecked

Starting point is 01:21:39 by, you know, by morality is science fiction. It's the fucking crazy, scary shit. It's the people doing things just because they think they can not be good not be in nobody's asking if they should so bad I know you have a healthy moral compass what what scares you about our future. Let's address the elephant in the room right right now for paleo effects in in Austin and people are are you rushing around as we know, everybody's asking around, where can I try Ayahuasca, the ketogenic diet and CBD oil and all these things are super, super duper trendy, open relationships or another big one that people are pursuing now in terms of,

Starting point is 01:22:21 just wanting to go out and try all of these things that folks feel are going to bring an ultimate fulfillment in life, completion. And the problem is, a lot of this stuff winds up simply creating a very materialistic culture, very commercialized culture, and a culture that doesn't have quite the stability that we get from, I know, I know Chris Watt's name, who wrote

Starting point is 01:22:45 the Sex at Dawn book, would flip over this, but I mean, this idea that there is a certain amount of social stability that can be had through monogamous relationships and a family that's built upon a strong sense of legacy and culture and tradition and husbands and wives who are together for long periods of time, you know, kids who follow the ancestral diet of their parents and their parents' parents. And you, that stands and start contrast to a bunch of people like shuffling around like bumblebees trying 18 different kinds of diets because there there is no tradition or sense of meaning, or anything else in their lives

Starting point is 01:23:30 when it comes to actual completion. So I think what we're looking at right now and fitness and nutrition is a lot of people who are unfulfilled and who are searching. And so we just see new things popping up over and over and over again, this incescent. I talked about earlier, it's like a treadmill, you know, like one of those elaborate wheels where people are just going,

Starting point is 01:23:52 going, going, searching with no meaning. So that's what I think we really risk is just, you know, a very kind of like weak culture who's always looking after the next new thing, the next shiny penny instead of having legacy and tradition and ancestry and stability in their lives. Yeah, I would agree. I would agree, 100%. The open relationship, you know, trend, and it's not really a trend.

Starting point is 01:24:17 I mean, it's, it's come and gone quite a few times in our culture. I know in the, in the 60s and 70s, there was a strong push in the counter culture in that direction. And, you know, I always stand by this. You know, people should be able to live however they wish, as long as they don't hurt anybody, you own your body, and if you want to do that, that's great. But when people push it and promote it as, this is what real love is. A better way of living. This is a better way. Here's something right. There are more evolved. Some people they're more evolved. Listen, are you going to have to sacrifice expediency and quenching your immediate desires? Are you going to have to sacrifice some of that by being with one person and committing yourself? Well, yeah, but the same way I commit, I have to sacrifice the, you

Starting point is 01:25:05 know, the sweet taste of that cake that's right in front of me for better overall health and wellness. And it's the same thing. It'll building that life with that person and working and sacrificing together, there's nothing more fulfilling. I can't, it's the difference between sex and making love. It really is. And it's nothing wrong with having sex, if that's what you want to do. But if you're seeking the fulfillment that you can only get from making love through sex, you'll be seeking forever.

Starting point is 01:25:33 And you'll be having a lot of sex, and you'll be able to lot of things and be taking a lot of drugs to try to get that feeling. But you're gonna end up in a bad situation. Most of the time, maybe somebody can do it out there. Bottle full of bum, I'm gonna have having sex, I'm out in the making love. Oh shit. Laying it down.

Starting point is 01:25:50 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been bee boxing you know. That's right. My bad. Anyway, that was my rant about that. Well, I got I got to wrap up somewhat soon, fellas.

Starting point is 01:25:59 No problem, brother. I should comment a Doug and they've been kind of quiet during during this podcast, but we got to get you one of my anti-radiation pads You can protect your balls, dude He's up in your lap for the past hour and a half. I've been very concerned about He put it down. He put the laptop to keep your children Do you know as funny as I always when I'm driving you act to the ball catch myself doing this and I Yeah, right away and I've ticked the fuck you I always travel these things called harrah pads.

Starting point is 01:26:26 They're like anti-radiation pads that you set your laptop on and you just put it anywhere like on an airplane on your lap or wherever. I'm hoping for the opposite effect. I don't know about you but I read a lot of comic books when I was a kid and in comic books radiation made people fucking awesome. So I'm thinking I'm gonna have super hero balls. You get a spiderwebs, Spider-Man dick, and then balls. You're Spider-Webs, big green, glowing, hairy balls.

Starting point is 01:26:47 Well, Ben, good luck. As always, a fucking great time, man. You're one of our favorite people. Yeah, it's nice for sure. Love seeing you, dude. Love seeing you, man. Appreciate it. Amazing, amazing, guys.

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