Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 778: How to Design the Perfect Workout Program, Losing Excess Post Pregnancy Fat, CrossFit's Mixed Legacy & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this motherfucking episode of Mind Puff. Of Mind Puff! For the first 45 minutes, we're hallucinating. We do our introductory conversation before we get into the fitness stuff.

Starting point is 00:00:26 We start out by talking about kinesthetic hallucinations. That's a real thing. It's a new term I learned. It's pretty cool. We talk about how people can perceive pain or feeling leprechaun. Creep pain psychosamatically. We talk about medical marijuana and pain

Starting point is 00:00:42 and my everly Well test. Now, Everly Well is a company that provides hormone testing and food intolerance testing, and other types of testing online. You actually get these kits, they're very inexpensive. You take the test, you mail it in on your own, no doctors, and then you get your results. That'll help you direct your nutrition and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:01:02 And we also have a hookup exclusively for Mind Pump Listler. Listen to them. Yeah. If you go to EverlyWell.com, enter the code Mind Pump, you'll get 15% off any test. We also talk about the Juve Light and Adam's hair. Coming back. Run it from Bosley.

Starting point is 00:01:22 Coming back, my friend. Taylor's really got it out for you, man He is he's coming. He's coming actually. We got this is the red light therapy if you go to jove j o o v v V dot com forward slash mine pump you will get a discount because we hooked you up again We talked about Justin's son driving in a TV. What is he like seven? Yeah, my bad I thought I was too young. Yeah, right. We talk about Lane Norton, our good friend, poking at our other good friend.

Starting point is 00:01:51 Actually Adam said his better friend. We're gonna do it. We're gonna have a celebrity death match on my head. He was poking. We bring those back. Yeah, we should. Right. He was poking at Ben Greenfield.

Starting point is 00:02:02 What's going on here? Should they do it out? Who would win in that fight? A green field. A natural fist fight? Oh, Greenfield. He's like at Ben Greenfield. What's going on here? Should they duke it out? Who would win in that fight? A Greenfield. An actual fist fight? Oh, Greenfield all day. He's like a guy. I got a Greenfield. Have you seen his hands and his limbs and shit?

Starting point is 00:02:10 Lane Strong, but it's not a deadlifting competition. His movements are a little suspicions. There's a deadlifting competition. Lane's got him, okay. For sure. We talked about childhood cancer and the hyper-clean environment. This is actually quite scary. They're connecting hyper-cle, this is actually quite scary. They're connecting a hyper clean environment

Starting point is 00:02:26 to childhood leukemia. And then we talked about the radium girls, the random factor. The radium girls. So that's, yes, some 19, 27 knowledge. You guys didn't know? You remember the year, dude. It's only been an hour.

Starting point is 00:02:41 Then we get into the questions. The first question was, do we think parents should punish any and all underage drinking, or should we allow our children to drink a little bit under our room? I make them drink the whole bottle. This tickets down the rabbit hole. This was a good one.

Starting point is 00:02:55 Definitely did. The next question was very simply, how do you create the perfect program? And it maps that. We actually give you all the secrets. Maps unicorns. The secrets in this part of the episode. That part of the episode. You know they create, just create it maps that. We actually give you all the maps unicorn. The secrets in this part of the episode. You know that Craig just created so far,

Starting point is 00:03:09 do you just set that? You know Craig created a program called the unicorn? No, he did it. Yes, he did. Our boy Craig. Shout out to Craig. So creative. We love it.

Starting point is 00:03:18 The next question was, has CrossFit as a whole done more harm or more good for the fitness industry. Do we all agree on this or not? We got a little debate on this one. And finally that always lands on no. The last person that we answer Always is trying to lose 30 pounds of baby weight a year and a half postpart. Is this still considered baby weight if it's a year and a half after? Might just be body fat Is this still considered baby weight if it's a year and a half after? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. Might just be body fat. Oh. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:03:48 You know why didn't we call that out? I didn't realize it. We just did 18. You're doing the math. You're ever have a client's like, hey, how do I lose this baby weight? Oh, how old's your baby? Seven. Yeah, seven.

Starting point is 00:03:59 She's 17. She's working on it. Baby weight is off. A trainer at their gym. No, you're just fat now. Said they should do super high reps over a heavy weight. And is that correct advice or is their trainer wrong and should they listen to my pump?

Starting point is 00:04:14 Good advice here though. Listen to my pump. You should. Also, this month, get the intuitive nutrition guide and the fasting guide for, ready for this? How much is it cost free cost free cost nothing You get a nothing for free go to mindpump media.com Get those two things for free. Oh, here's the catch

Starting point is 00:04:32 Oh, here's I'll be to go there before I said this part You have to get a buy something you have to enroll in one of our bundles. We're not that nice now Our bundles are what we take multiple maps programs maps programs, put them together and then we're crazy. We slash the price, slash it, 30% off. So for example, I was imagining with a machete. Yeah. I was thinking about those, those use car commercials

Starting point is 00:04:55 with a slash and things. Sleshing the prices. Look, if you go on mindpumpedie.com and enroll in a super bundle, Adam will eat his hat. Yeah. Finally. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we discount them. uh... mindpump media dot com and roll in a super bundle at a more eat his hat if the fasting guide, for free, go do it now. I learned a new phrase the other day. What's that?

Starting point is 00:05:31 This is a fucking great phrase. I can't wait to use this in a sentence. Kinesthetic hallucination. Kinesthetic hallucination. Yes, so I read this incredible article on pain. I was gonna say it's like you perceiving you have pain when you really don't. Yes. So, so I read this incredible article on pain. I was just say it's like you perceiving you have pain when you really don't. Yes. So I read this incredible article on pain and how it's pretty much impossible. I wouldn't say it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely or extremely difficult to separate how you the your pain from how you feel about your pain.

Starting point is 00:06:04 rate, how you, your pain from how you feel about your pain. So you create this emotion around the pain. And then that changes completely how we perceive pain. It reminds me of that Ted talk where the guy was talking about getting bit by a rattlesnake in his ankle. And then as he, you know, was was walking barefoot again, in the same kind of situation, stepped on a twig and it snapped

Starting point is 00:06:29 and it sounded like it reminded him immediately of that pain and he thought for sure he got bit. Dude, it just, and by the way, this is a massive part of your pain. And I think the reason why there's a stigma around it is when you talk about, you know, when I say kinesthetic hallucination, or I say your feelings around the pain,

Starting point is 00:06:52 or I say psychosomatic, people think, oh, you're disregarding me, you're saying, I don't hurt, you know, it's not real. It's just, it's real, it's not real, but the fact that we don't address it, you know how many people, I read, I was reading this article, I can't remember the statistics,

Starting point is 00:07:06 but so many people suffer from so much pain and all these pain medications, when a big chunk of it is really their perception and emotion around the pain itself. And this is why so much pain can be treated with like behavioral therapy and or SSRI drugs, antidepressants, people will have less pain. Or, you know, they'll do studies

Starting point is 00:07:31 where my favorite, some of my favorite studies where they'll do surgery on someone, like people with chronic knee pain, they'll do surgery, but they'll test out a placebo where they'll open the knee up and then just sew it back up and not do anything to the knee. And the same amount of people who have that compared to people who'll open the knee up and then just sew it back up and not do anything to the knee. And the same amount of people have that compared to people who actually have the knee surgery feel good.

Starting point is 00:07:50 So they'll just, they'll see the scar and be like, oh, my knee feels so much better since you did that surgery. And then afterwards, we're like, we actually didn't do anything. Well, don't you think too? That's where all these gimmicky products come about because it's like, it does work for certain people because they literally believe it. And it kind of reminds me not to knock human garage or anything, but definitely like a lot of wizardry was going on, you know, like a lot of cues and a lot of like suggestive language that put people in a mindset where they're like, oh, now my body's reset, everything's great, and now I'm not feeling that pain anymore.

Starting point is 00:08:27 And it's like reiterating those points to the person was so important because they had to little believe it. Well, I was reading this article, I was thinking about it to myself, and I know you guys have had clients like this before too, where you train somebody who's never worked out or maybe there was a particular type of personality

Starting point is 00:08:46 That that falls into this category, but they they have like zero tolerance for Like the pain that comes from exercise. You know, I mean like oh my god. I can't do this. Oh hurts so bad They literally can't handle That kind of pain and they think of myself and because I've been exercising For so long the pain associated with resistance training, I have zero problem with it. Not only do I perceive it as not bad, but I actually perceive it as good, so I actually get, like I love it.

Starting point is 00:09:18 I enjoy the feel of lifting heavy weights and that kind of pain. Whereas other people- I don't even, that isn't even registered as pain. That's what I mean. It's like muscle soreness, which to me, it feels good in comparison to what pain feels like. It's a completely different association. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:35 Which I think too, like that's another part of the process, right, is like changing that association with the pain. But to South's point, I've had many clients that I've trained that, you know that thought they were in pain after, if someone that was never trained before and you work them out, and then the next day they're like freaking out at you, like, what did you do? Yeah, what did you do to me?

Starting point is 00:09:53 I'm hurt. I hurt my biceps hurt, they're in pain. Well, sometimes I'm, I mean, sure, it's a big shock. To the system, if it has an experience, like that kind of resistance and, you know, force. Well, especially if you have fear kind of going into it, too, right? Like if you already have doubt, you already have fear. It also reminds me of like when you ever do,

Starting point is 00:10:13 you ever done something like slam your finger in a door, like really fat, it's so, it happens so fast, like to register, it hurts, doesn't register until you look at it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's dropping, right. Oh fuck, right. Or it's cut open, wide open, bleeding all over the place, but then, but until you look at it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's dropping. Yeah, it's all fucked. Right, or it's cut open, wide open,

Starting point is 00:10:25 bleeding all over the place, but then, but until you looked at it, the pain really wasn't set. That was that, that, that part of that example I brought up with the, with the snake. It was, it was that he didn't really feel the pain because he thought initially it was just, he stepped on, on a stick.

Starting point is 00:10:41 Yeah. But then it registered later when he saw the puncture, wound marks and all that. And then, oh my God, all of a sudden, this rush of pain came in. So it's, you know, and it's fast, things like phantom limb syndrome, you know, so fascinating to me. For people who don't know what that is, this is when somebody has an amputated limb as the most common example. Like, let's say, you lose your left arm and then they will, so they have literally no arm, right?

Starting point is 00:11:08 No left arm, but they will feel tremendous pain in their quote unquote imaginary left arm. So although they have no left arm, they feel like they have an arm and it hurts and usually what it feels like. Now this is common with people who have had a arm most their life and then lost it. Right, yeah I would think that.

Starting point is 00:11:28 Because that makes that someone who's born, that makes sense to me because they've had a memory of for a neural pathway for thousands of days of being connected there and moving there and then to cut that off completely, it's like. But it's just, highlight, because what they'll do is they'll, if they do have phantom limb syndrome, it feels what they'll say is,

Starting point is 00:11:48 it feels like their arm is in this curled up, clenched, just painful, throbbing position, and nothing you can do takes the pain away, pain killers, nothing takes it away. And then years ago, they discovered that if they put that their, you know, their body up to a mirror box so that they could see the right arm, the one that they actually have reflected into this box so that they could perceive that they now have another left arm, except it looks

Starting point is 00:12:17 like it's open and relaxed, then the pain mysteriously disappears. But this just highlights how complicated pain is and how yes there's definitely signals you get from the afflicted area, but it's the perception of that pain that is what makes you feel it or whatever and a lot of that is your emotion. Jessica had an experience like this not that long ago. She hurt her shoulder, you know, doing the silks, which changed her life. She did the silks. It was like the first physical athletic thing that she did.

Starting point is 00:12:51 She realized that she was very strong, very athletic. She identified very strongly with it. Shoulder became inflamed and she created bad recruitment patterns, probably caused an actual problem, which meant she could no longer do the silks. So that was a very traumatic experience for her because she had identified so strongly with it. And so now she has this dysfunction or shoulder, but the emotion surrounding it is made it much worse or turned into like this very depressive type, you know, depression type thing.

Starting point is 00:13:19 And then later on when she met me and worked doing all this correctional exercise and whatever, after a while I'm like, well, your shoulder is moving okay now. Unless you push it really hard, you don't have dysfunction. Everything seems to be moving fine. You've got good mobility for the most part and we couldn't figure out what the fuck it was. And we had this conversation, this exact conversation. And it was difficult because when I brought it up to her, of course, and I would feel the same way. I'd be like, well, you think I'm just making this up?

Starting point is 00:13:46 It's not real. Like, well, no, that's not the point. The point is that you've had these emotions surrounding it. It could be that you're perceiving it differently than it is. And I don't even think it's a, it means that she's perceiving it different as much as it could just mean that it's more painful than what it should be because you,

Starting point is 00:14:04 because you're attached to that, right? Well, here's what happened. She started processing it, and God bless her, very smart, self-aware person, enough to examine this, because I could totally see how being in that situation you wouldn't even examine it, because you'd feel like you were being told that you're being dismissed or whatever. But she did, she examined it, thought about it,

Starting point is 00:14:24 and processed it, and it literally evaporated like gone. Like, and I remember her texting me, like I was thinking about what you were saying, I've really been thinking, and then my pain just went away. And then it came back like a week later, she did that processing again and it went away again. It never came back, really never came back. Now, she still has issues with her shoulder. If we push it too hard, it'll start hurting her. But not like it was before, it was this chronic problem that she had for like two or three years.

Starting point is 00:14:53 And it just trips me out and I read this whole article which you put in the show notes. I'll make sure to send it to Jackie. But we don't treat pain at all in that context. You go to the doctor for pain and it's, let's see if there's a structural problem and if there is, we'll do surgery or rehab. And then if we don't see a structural problem but you still feel pain, we're going to put you on opiates.

Starting point is 00:15:21 We're going to put you on some opiates and then, and then hope for the best or whatever. And now we have this opiate addiction problem, stuff like that. But it's pretty crazy stuff. On that note, got some interesting other statistics for you. The Journal of Pain, the official Journal of the American Pain Society reported in June of 2016 results from a University of Michigan study.

Starting point is 00:15:47 They found that medical marijuana patients were able to reduce their opiates for pain by over 50%. That was on average. And there was another study done in Israel where 44% of patients with chronic pain were able to stop taking prescription opiate drugs within seven months of using medical marijuana. Then there's another study that found that the majority of people now that are starting to use medical marijuana, only 4% of it are using it to get high.

Starting point is 00:16:15 The vast majority of them are using it to treat some kind of ailment and replace some kind of trachea. You're trying to say that only 4% of people that are smoking weed are trying to just do. 4% of people that are smoking weed are trying to just do 4% of the new users. Oh, okay, new users. Yeah, new users that are starting to use it.

Starting point is 00:16:33 And I believe that that's not that surprising, right? Because majority of the people that have been smoking weed have been smoking weed because they like to smoke weed regardless of the pros or cons of it. And the few, the few won't stop few. It's probably millions now of people that are coming on board and trying cannabis now are doing it because of all the research that's coming out. Yeah, and a lot of them are using it to replace,

Starting point is 00:16:54 because think about it this way. I forgot what the number was. Something like 67% of Americans over the age of 30 or something like that. And I don't know the exact statistic, maybe Doug can look it up. It's a big chunk of Americans. Use prescription drugs on a pretty regular basis, whether it's forexiety, depression, you know, pain, whatever. And most of the people who are using marijuana as it

Starting point is 00:17:20 becomes legal, because I feel like these people who didn't use it before were afraid because it was illegal. But now that's legal, they're like, I people who didn't use it before were afraid because it was illegal. But now that it's legal, they're like, I'm gonna try this out, right? And they're already on prescription drugs. Well, and two, I think, I think as far as the actual experience of it, like maybe they tried it way back in the day, but it was like the paranoia.

Starting point is 00:17:37 And like there wasn't a lot of knowledge being passed around as far as like what strains and combinations. And even I never even heard of terpenes and until like met with doses and like their process with that just to make it more like user friendly as far as an experience. Like if you're going for something that's going to relieve pain, there's actually like a good formula for that. Not just like, you know, oh, here's some weed. Yeah, I know I agree.

Starting point is 00:18:02 Dude, this is, it's going to be so disrupting because opiate use and sales are in the billions. I mean, it's so much, it's such a massive market in America. So imagine if, you know, imagine what can potentially happen to that market with that. Well, it's already happening. I mean, every state that it's legal and the opiate use has been on a rapid decline for some time now. And all these other medications too. So it's only, hey, you uses been on a rapid decline for some time now.

Starting point is 00:18:25 And all these other medications too. So it's only, hey, you know what I wanted to ask, if one of you guys had done the Evernilly test yet. Oh, the Evernilly well. Yeah, did you do that? I did mine. Oh, you have done it. Yeah, so dude, it's super easy.

Starting point is 00:18:38 So what you do, so I did the testosterone one. So I'm not sure if all of them are the same, but the testosterone one. Is it saliva? Is it pee? What is it? Oh, just saliva Yeah, so you wake first thing in the morning and within the first 30 minutes of waking up They give you this little tube. It's about I don't know three inches long maybe two inches long and then you spit in it And you have to fill the tube up about

Starting point is 00:18:59 75% with saliva you're not don't drink any water don't brush your teeth just right when you wake up So I did it this morning at like five five ten in the morning and you just spit in the cup with saliva. Don't drink any water, don't brush your teeth, just right when you wake up. So I did it this morning at like 5, 5, 10 in the morning. And you just spit in the cup, you seal it, you write your name on it, you register your kit online, which is super easy, you just type in the code or whatever. And then you mail it in. And that's it. Oh wow, that easy. That's it. You mail it in and then you get your results. So I don't know if I told you guys this, but I did an Everly Well test last year in June or July, let me pull it up. Does it keep your old stats?

Starting point is 00:19:31 Yeah, so I'm gonna compare the two. I wanna compare the two to see if, let me see if I can log in here. So I wanna give you guys my results. I wanna do the testosterone. When I had the food allergy or food sensitivity test and so that one you actually have to like extract some blood for that one. It's just a pin prick.

Starting point is 00:19:53 Just a little pin prick, but yes, I wanted to do that actually for my for my son. I didn't know, you know, as far as like with kids like using it for that, but I'm gonna have to ask for that. But yeah, I'm definitely gonna do the testosterone so you weren't bad. Okay, so I did my last one in July of 2017. Now the reason I did it, and I don't know if I ever shared it with you guys,

Starting point is 00:20:13 I don't think I did. The reason why I did it was, back in last year, I felt like my testosterone maybe was low or something was off. My libido wasn't what it normally was, I wasn't feeling myself. And I think it was just lots of stress, lots of processing. You know, after I got divorced, there's like phases of difficult periods. Like there's the initial period and then you feel better and then it hits you again

Starting point is 00:20:43 and whatever. And I think that was part of it and organizing the The kids and all that stuff. So so I was feeling kind of shitty. So I took this test and my results then were I was basically right in the middle free to testosterone of the range which I guess is normal it says I'm normal, but I feel like that was lower than what I'm normally Do they give you a range of what they say? Is this standard 400 to 1200?

Starting point is 00:21:07 Yeah, no, they use a different range, yeah, I think it's saliva. So the range that they use is between 49 and 185, and I don't know what PG stands for, PG per milliliter, not quite sure what that stands for. My number last year was 103, which is kind of in the middle, you know, not low, not high, kind of right in the middle. Is that really in the middle? It sounds like you said 49 to what?

Starting point is 00:21:33 49 to 185, so it's like a lower end of the middle. You know, I called them, I'm like, what does that mean? Isn't that like, no, it's fine, it's totally normal. But I feel like it was low for picograms per milliliter. Thanks, Doug. The fuck is a picogram? I don't know. It's like a gram, but it's...

Starting point is 00:21:52 What's a pico? It's a pico. It's a pico. It's a pico pico. It's a... I feel like it's a smaller... Sounds really small. Sounds really small.

Starting point is 00:22:01 I have no idea. Well, I'm excited about it. Oh, it's one trillionth of a gram. Hey, pico, we're gonna measure. Yeah. That's crazy. I've never even heard of a Pico gram. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:09 So it'll be interesting to see if my testosterone level, because now I feel better than I did back then. So it'll be interesting to see if my testosterone levels are higher than last time. The only thing that sucks for me is that I didn't do this before, so it's gonna be hard to see your comparative data. Right, right. But nonetheless, I'm really interested

Starting point is 00:22:26 just because I've been trying to stay away from the test for a while just so I could put some work in, you know, like I don't want it to be. It's like when you start working out again. Yeah. You know, saying like you don't want to get on the scale, you don't want to look. I want to take a picture of this.

Starting point is 00:22:37 Yeah, I don't like it close. Yeah, give me some momentum here. It's that's been kind of like my thought process with all this, like let me get in rhythm here of training, dieting, doing everything that I'm supposed to be doing to get myself right. And I feel good.

Starting point is 00:22:49 So I'm excited to see where I'm at just to see if I'm. What's the turnaround, do you know, so like when you send it out, like when they're gonna get back? I think it's pretty quick. I mean, if I recall, it was like a couple of weeks maybe. Nice. Yeah, and you get it, if if you want they'll text it to you

Starting point is 00:23:05 Hmm or of course or you get an email of course and you just go online. Yeah everything's so nice and like exclusive Technology is the internet de-centralizing the fuck out of everything. I really I really feel like Taylor is picking on me with all these new sponsors We just did Boater And now we got to test You're trying to say something bro, or what? What's up? He's all getting that, uh, what's up, Bosley? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like we may as well get paid man. You fix it all your shit, bro I

Starting point is 00:23:50 Swarted I swear to God if he does I'll tell fuck off right? I don't care for you And I've tried Bosley what do you mean really fried it? I did it a long time ago or not? It's yeah, it's yeah, it's Bosley does this the shampoo whole cycle I thought you did the hair no no Bosley also does like a you have a whole you know yeah kid it's like $150 a bottle of shampoo right yeah did do anything for you so it what it did do which pissed me off was because it was right when I first shampoo runs down your back, they have hairy back. You guys, the trail of tears. Yes, please show us.

Starting point is 00:24:27 Yes, please show us. No, this was year, like when I first started noticing that I was like thinning, I remember using it. And you know what it does is it, it like grows peach fuzz. Like so, what I, and you have to be consistent as fuck with it, you can't be missing, you had to be consistent and it took a couple of weeks. And then after a week, I would kind of rub

Starting point is 00:24:47 where my hair was thinning. And it feels like all this peach fuzz. And when you look in the mirror real closely, you get kind of like these micro hairs that grow. Now, what happens is they never grow full length. At least not for me. I never saw that. And I've heard a lot of people that have tried this.

Starting point is 00:25:01 This is what they say the same thing. Is that it just kind of gives you this peach buzz that grows in that area, but it's not strong enough to make like full. It's got a mandolk. It's like a chia pet. It's a manoxidil, right? Yeah, whatever, right?

Starting point is 00:25:12 So, but when I took it, and I was like, oh, this isn't helping very much, fuck this, and then I stopped, then when I stopped, it was like my hair started thinning at a faster rate. So it sucked me in for like a good six months to a year, I was on this, and at at that point I was like, then it accelerated everything.

Starting point is 00:25:27 Yeah, it accelerated it when I wasn't doing it. Well, this is a fucking hustle and a half. Oh shit. You start using it and it's like, eh, kinda knows it, whatever, but then when you stop using it, then your shit starts to excel. You know, manoxidil, which I think is what's in it. Manoxidil was initially studied for,

Starting point is 00:25:43 I believe it was for blood pressure. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was to lower blood pressure. And the people studying it noticed that, that there would be like hair growth. So just like other medications, the researchers are like, well, it doesn't work very well for this, but wait a minute. But there's a bowner.

Starting point is 00:26:01 This is a bigger, this is a way bigger market. It was the same thing. dude. I'm telling you dude You got a I've been using salt Paul metta. I'm cool, bro. I'm cool. I just ain't going nowhere It's good dude since I you know since I don't fuck with it and I you know the juve light dude I'm a believer is it growing it back bro. I'm a I'm a believe it is a growing back. No, it's not growing back It's stopping the accelerates. Yeah, like it stopped. Like I don't feel like I've, I don't feel like I've thinned in the last probably. So what do you do lay down so your head is facing you?

Starting point is 00:26:30 No, I see like that, like how, I bring, obviously the listeners can't see what I'm doing, but mine, I have the juvenile at the edge of my bed. And when I get out of the shower, I'm naked. And I bring it right over to me and I sit just like this and I drop my head down, I'm looking down at my feet. And so it's hitting my scalp and then I'm getting all the rest of my body,

Starting point is 00:26:48 which is great because I have psoriasis on my shins right here, so my psoriasis in my head, there's like right on it. And I tell you what, and I don't know if I told you guys this, but our boy, Metablog Mike, you guys know Mike Metzl, I think is his last name, sorry Mike. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, he interviewed name. Sorry, Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, he interviewed us.

Starting point is 00:27:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that. Him and I talk all the time and he said that he started using the Juve and he actually, before he started, he tested his free test and it was like right around 500 and something and he's our age, you're a little bit older, I think. And so it's, you know, pretty normal range. And he said he did 12 minutes of, 12 to 15 minutes of infrared therapy. I wanna say four times a week, three or four times a week, consistently for about six weeks.

Starting point is 00:27:33 And then he went back and retested and his shit went to 900. That's crazy. Yeah. So I said nothing else changed as I, and he said everything else, he's been on the same plan, same workout regimen, everything I believe he follows maps. And so all that stuff has been consistent and the only thing that he changed was

Starting point is 00:27:50 Introducing the jube and I told him I said man, you know what I haven't gone and tested But you know I've talked on the show a few times about how I'd notice it one with my psoriasis and you know my my Testosterone levels I was attributing most of that to the training and getting that going again, but maybe the Juve was helping more than I thought it was. So that's kind of a... Yeah, do this test, this testosterone test, do another one in like three, four months, or whatever, and see if there's any changes?

Starting point is 00:28:16 Yeah, what I really wanna play with the light and now that we have this kid at home is to see that, if you have to consistently be using it in order to keep the levels there, and like, let's say I like fall off and I'm not using it any probably. I would assume so, right? Anything that has an effect on you, you probably have to maintain to keep that effect. Yeah, so I'm interested to see if that's going to be so I'm going to just sunlight. I think it's just it's it's it's it's like get it going out in the sun. Sunlight will definitely raise testosterone and if you're not in the sun a lot,

Starting point is 00:28:43 I think you can expect a lot of these. And I think it's an important thing to note for the listeners, because for sure none of us are like the pseudoscience guys at all. I 100% know that I don't get enough sunlight. Like we podcast in a fucking cube with no windows. But I'm shelter.

Starting point is 00:28:59 Yeah, and we come in early, and when I get home, I'm back inside of a house working on a computer So I get artificial light I don't get it and I try and make an effort obviously to get out in the sun as much as I can or go for my walks and do things like that But nowhere near the type of sun that I was getting in my my teens and childhood So I think that's probably why I see I'm seeing so much benefit with the I think that's probably why I see I'm seeing so much benefit with the infrared sauna and the Juve light.

Starting point is 00:29:27 I think it's because I don't get enough sun. And if I probably was a sun worshiper, I probably wouldn't see as many of the benefits that I'm seeing with it right now. Justin, do you get in the sun a lot? He looks like it. I mean, I try like as of late, I've been trying real hard to get out in the sun because like I do feel the difference like being in here all the time and then going home and you know being inside and I believe people like with his Complexion need it less of course like me needs it more of course

Starting point is 00:29:55 I would think so yeah exactly Because otherwise what would like Irish people always have low testosterone I don't think I think they have a stronger effect from a shorter, you know, I'm out of the sun Right, I think you like you and I who grew up or grew up are heritage because all the way back to areas that are... When you saw how I would know inherently, I'm like, okay, I gotta get out of the sun. Like, you guys would still be out there just like baking, and I'm just like, I gotta find some shade. We were at Tom's Billy's house, and in between podcasts, we had like a 40-minute break or something like that. So we all got in this backyard, beautiful.

Starting point is 00:30:25 It's got such a gorgeous house, gorgeous backyard. And we're laying out and so I'm like, oh cool, I'll just take off my shirt and bake. So I lay out there for about 40 minutes, just it was out there for five. And then it goes like, go's in the shade. And there's like one spot for shade, I'm just gonna stand right there.

Starting point is 00:30:41 Later that night, you know, we get home and I might've gotten a shade darker, tight, tiny bit. And I'm literally laying shirt off direct sun. It was hot. Justin's neck and everything was red. I got like Insta Farmer tan. Yeah, right away. Yeah. Right away. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Hey, you just, you just took your kids, I saw your picture with the ATVs. Where was that? Oh, yeah. It was that one of their friends house. I went to go pick them up and they had like this little track like in their backyard. It was so sick. It was like it went all the way around like the neighborhood and he just pulled it out. He's like, oh, I got this for them for Christmas, whatever.

Starting point is 00:31:18 And so like he had my son, my oldest go in there and then figure out how to drive and everything. And he did really well. Like, he was like nervous at first because it was just one part where like, if you had a like turned real hard, you would come down this like crazy ditch. And so you just let him by himself.

Starting point is 00:31:35 Yeah, but we were like kind of managing like, from the sides, it's like kind of getting front of him at least, but yeah, I'm already. Do you remember the first time as a kid getting into a go-card or an ATV, or doing anything like that? I remember.

Starting point is 00:31:47 Epic. Yeah, I remember. I remember, I remember, I was scared of this. I remember being scared at first, but I remember like getting over that fear and being like, oh, I love this. Yeah. You definitely had that like reserve,

Starting point is 00:31:56 you know, and it's like, uh, and like stalled it and then like tried to get going. Then once you finally get going, like, he actually, you started turning and he started like putting more gas to them, and then I started getting real nervous because he would take the turns really hard and it was like, yeah, and you'd see like the, the tire come up just a little bit.

Starting point is 00:32:14 I was like, oh shit, like calmed out, you know? Like I know you didn't crash it or nothing. No, he didn't crash. I mean, actually I take that back. He did crash once. He kind of ran into the wall one time, just like couldn't stop in time, but yeah, I was like, fuck, now they're gonna want this

Starting point is 00:32:30 like forever. You know, like once you get introduced to something that awesome, they're just gonna be like, Dad, when can we get what? I was like, it's not gonna happen. I was telling Justin, I was telling Justin that when I was a kid, my first experience on like a ATV or a four wheeler, this explains the quad, the fucking,

Starting point is 00:32:49 $15,000 quad in the living room, centerpiece. My ca, my $15,000 coffee table, that never gets taken out, right? So that's awesome. So this is where this all stems from is, when I was in fourth grade, I went over to a kid's house. It was a new friend of mine at the time.

Starting point is 00:33:08 Later on, I became a good friend of mine. And he took me out. His parents let us take the quad out. And he was a farm kid, you know, so they would let fourth graders just get on hop on an ATV and just fucking take off. Like, so, you know, I hopped on and got behind him and and then we took off and we rode, and then he let me drive, and I instantly was in love. Oh my God, I want to,

Starting point is 00:33:30 so every year, for every holiday, I was asking for a quad and ATV, I want ATV. And of course, Mike, you were poor. Yeah, I know, what do you want for Christmas, Adam? I want a quad.

Starting point is 00:33:41 I'm not a kid. It's like a horse, when kids that would grow up. So my sister, so you think about this, don't tell about the fun of you just went that direction because my sisters and my mom all got horses at one point. What? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:55 Wait a minute, your sister actually got a horse? Yeah, all my siblings, all of them. Wow. Horses expensive as fun. My little sister had a pony, my other sister got a horse and then my mom and my dad all got horses. When we got a property that actually had acreage, right? And that, I mean, but that was like not until I was in sixth, seventh grade, but from fourth

Starting point is 00:34:14 grade every holiday, all asking, they got horses. I'm still asking. So I asked, well, I get a horse. Fuck yeah, I'm gonna ask for a TV. Right. Well, I was asking before that and during, and I'm like, I don't even want a horse. I want an ATV, that's all I wanted, right? So, and I never got it.

Starting point is 00:34:28 So you better believe the first purchase that I made when I was making good money. I was like, I'm going out. And it was like that too, as I remember telling my buddy, I convinced him to buy one, which he eventually sold it, because he's like, we never fucking drive these things.

Starting point is 00:34:41 I gotta sell it. And I refuse to sell it, because I dumped a ton of money in it. I'm like, no one will ever give me 50. Is yours all souped up in shit? Yeah, yeah. It's the only reason why it's worth 15 grand is because you can buy it brand new for like 70, 75 or 8 grand

Starting point is 00:34:54 or something like that. But I've dumped another 10 into the thing. It's funny. The guy that Ethan's friend, his dad actually went to school with him and I grew up with him. And so he was like, I was into sports like primarily. Ethan's friend, his dad actually went to school with him and I grew up with him. So he was like, I was into sports like primarily. He was a little bit at some point, but he was more of the extreme kind of sports that crew,

Starting point is 00:35:13 like growing up like more skateboards and more to cross and all that kind of stuff. So over there, I remembered all that and was like, oh yeah, oh shit. Cause to me, like, I still fight that tendency of like being real, like safety, caution, you know, protective, like, and like, he's got a lot less of that, you know, like, there's gnarly ass, like rope swings and everything he has there. He, he showed me, he's like, oh, it's super safe. I'm a blah, blah, like, he built he built this whole, it was like a swing set you could climb on top of and then he could jump off

Starting point is 00:35:51 of the top with this rope swing and then like, swing like really fucking high in the air and like, he just demoed it from me and I was like, holy shit dude, he's like, yeah, try it out, it's real fun. You know what I was like, I don't know, man. Like, I'm a little old for that shit. I know what you're doing out here. So I got a little nervous.

Starting point is 00:36:10 Yeah, I'm the last guy to do that shit. Yeah. When I was a kid, my dad brought home once, like a little 50, the little motorcycles. It was a little dirt bike 50. Oh, that was a fun. Dude, I saw my life flash before my eyes on that thing. Cause I learned how to, that's how I learned how to drive, that thing. Because I learned how to drive like stick shift.

Starting point is 00:36:27 I learned how to change gears. Through... You used to be me, use a clutch. Yeah, I had to use a clutch through a motorcycle. So I get on that thing and he's teaching me how to, you know, how to use the clutch and shift and all that stuff. And once I got the hang of it, man, that thing would hit like 40 miles an hour. And I remember I'd ride around my neighborhood

Starting point is 00:36:46 and I got a little cocky and I went up like the curb a little bit and you ever get the wobbles where you hit the curb and you start and I was heading towards the car and I don't know how I missed the car but I never got on that bike again because I saw my life flash before my... I didn't have a helmet on,

Starting point is 00:37:02 nobody ever wore a helmet in those days. Did you guys ever wear a helmet when you were right away man. No, I was riding like my dad's haunted 90. It was like this old piece of shit. And yeah, it totally got out from under me. It hit a bunch of leaves and sticks like on this turn and yeah, road rash all upside my body. It was it sucked.

Starting point is 00:37:21 I still wanted to do. We got it all taken. You know, we go down south all the time. Pismos like one of my favorite places to go and ride we should make a mind I'll be hilarious cuz I would love to make a mind since I was a little kid since I was a little Well, and the fact that your boys now are into that dude It's so fun cuz you can run all those things on the beach man. You go down. Oh, this little dune buggy thing like Oh, it's it's super fun man. It looks so rad. Yeah, I would love to do it They're pretty safe. I mean, I know there's dangerous too,

Starting point is 00:37:45 but they're pretty fucking safe with the cages and stuff in the other cage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially out there on the beach and like that, I mean, there's only one thing you gotta worry about, right? So if you're coming towards the water, you gotta be careful. But you don't wanna end up in the ocean?

Starting point is 00:37:57 Yeah, no, no, no, no, excuse me. Ah! Excuse me, it's the other way. It's leaving the water, I'm like backwards, it's just how long it's been stuck in there. Because of the wind coming in, so it makes these drop-offs. So as long as you're heading towards the water,

Starting point is 00:38:11 everything is up, up, up. The way you're going, fucking. When you go on the other way, you can, and I've had buddies that have literally broke limbs because they're matching the other direction, and it looks sand, so you just see, it looks level, and then you'll come off and you'll have a 50 foot drop in the sand and just

Starting point is 00:38:27 Go out. So as long as you're heading in heading towards the water You'll always be shooting up So you'll hit you could hit these you can bomb on a jump Launch 20 30 feet in the air, but you'll land up and you'll keep going up And you keep going up. Yeah, but when you're going the other way, the way the wind blows and makes the lips on the sand. So I got lost at Pismo in the sand dunes once. Oh, you really? Yeah, I went out there, this was a long way.

Starting point is 00:38:53 Walking or riding? No, riding. I was, God, this was maybe four years into my marriage. Me and my wife at the time got on those little, the quads or whatever. And we went out there and we were having a great old time for an hour, riding deeper and deeper into the beach. And it looks like everything looks the same all around.

Starting point is 00:39:12 You couldn't see anything around me except for dunes. And then I'm like, which direction do we go? Like how do we get back? And we couldn't find our way back. And the way I found my way back was what you're talking about was you could eventually I started to figure out that the dunes Looked a particular way and I figured well the ocean must be this way So we just kept going I found the ocean then I rode the coast all the way back

Starting point is 00:39:34 Hey way back, but I get lost all the time. That's just one more there There is not it anybody can get lost out there exactly so you throw me in there. Yeah, you throw some I almost died I almost died almost starved GPS on you yeah, I would have been in the middle of the sand saltracker surrounded by like the vacation There's you know it's like two miles away Dead out of the Saying Anyway, so you know I can't wait to we have lane coming in next week

Starting point is 00:40:02 You know what I can't wait to ask him hmm? What's that why he was why he was talking shit about Benny there and the, what was he doing on Joe? I missed, you know what, he's trying to get on Joe Rogan's name. Yeah, he's trolling hard. God, man, I'm gonna call him out on the... He's been on Joe Rogan's threads for ever. You can't get all this thing.

Starting point is 00:40:19 You gotta bring me on, you gotta, like super aggressively trying to get on. And you know what, the crazy part is, he'll never bring him on because of that. Right, it's not, yeah, it's not a good strategy. Or maybe he will, or fuck with him. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I think that he won't, I don't think he'll bring him on just for the simple fact that he's wanting to be on. So it's like, he's when someone's asking you that all the time, it's like, come on, dude.

Starting point is 00:40:39 Yeah, I would, I would love to have him in Greenfield on a podcast together. That would be a fun one and then just just Just yeah, I don't know if it's okay You know, yeah, maybe if we're involved in it because I feel like they're so fucking different. Yeah, I think it weird Yeah, it would get weird and Ben would Ben would just not bother with him Yeah, Lane would probably try and poke out on and Ben would just kind of be like what yeah, Luf Yeah, I don't think Ben would even care, you know what I'm saying? I don't think so, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:06 I just think it would be hilarious. What I love about Ben is, and this is why Ben is a really good friend of ours, right? And Lane's a good friend of ours too, but I would say Ben's a better friend of ours. And I think, you know, it reminds me of what your kids, and when you're young and you have all your friends around you, and then they're like, who's your best friend,

Starting point is 00:41:23 and you've got like four of your friends around your side. And you have to pick one. He's my best friend. You're all weighing him out like real time. Well, I like it. Yeah, but he's got a boat. You know, his dad has a boat. He's a better friend.

Starting point is 00:41:35 Right, right. No, I just, I think, well, I think we spend way more time with Ben, right? We've hung out with Ben a lot, like all of us have. And I think we've got, totally. Know him really, really well. And Ben's really, really comfortable with who he is. Like nobody's gonna rattle his cage.

Starting point is 00:41:48 No one's gonna come in and like try and poke at him. Like he's not that guy. Like he fully embraces who he is, what he's doing. And I honestly, out of everybody we've met, because we've met all, especially in the fitness space, both ends of the spectrum. Everything from the fucking woo-woo, all the way to the hardcore bodybuilders.

Starting point is 00:42:07 And Ben really is, if there's anybody who's gonna be doing all this pseudo-science shit, he's the guy I want to do it. He is the guy, I mean, somebody that smart who like lives their life to do a tee like a protocol who is like testing things out. Like, he is the guy I wanna go to, who say,

Starting point is 00:42:25 dude, tell me, you press the boundaries a bit. And I know this isn't evidence necessarily, but a little bit it is. Isn't Ben like, like, R-Age? He is, right? Or maybe he's a couple of years younger. Is he just like two, I think? He looks, he looks really fucking good

Starting point is 00:42:42 when you look at him. Like his skin looks really good. He looks really good. He looks really good. He always lean, you know what I mean? So his hair is nice. It's not like I'm, he's smell good. I'm crushing on him. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:53 Apparently his penis grew. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't know what they, I don't think they would, I don't think it would, I don't know if it would be a good interview or not. Like, I don't know, I haven't heard, I've heard lane interview because I've listened to his podcast for a long time

Starting point is 00:43:05 and he does like all the PhD guys and they just, they do the, that's why, because they're so different echo chambers. Yeah, yeah. I think it would be a blast. Plane echo. So one more thing I wanted to bring up

Starting point is 00:43:15 that was, it's not shocking necessarily, but devastating for some people to hear. There was a huge study done by Britain's leading leukemia experts, and they've concluded, so huge analysis, that there's a deadly chain of events that is set in motion that could be causing the most common childhood cancer, which is leukemia. And that is a hyper-clean environment.

Starting point is 00:43:46 So you know how they've been saying for a long time that a hyper-clean environment could be causing or at least a major factor in the reason why kids develop autoimmune issues like asthma and stuff like that. And we've known this for a while. These connections have been made for a while. Well, they're finding now that, and this is 30 years of research that they've studied.

Starting point is 00:44:05 So this is a lot of research. And what they think that happens is that children in these hyper clean environments, their immune systems become hyper vigilant because they don't really have anything to wrap. So everything becomes an enemy at some point. And so they just develop a shit ton of these white blood cells and it turns into leukemia. And when I read that man, imagine if you're a parent and you're hearing that and you had a kid who, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:44:28 Cause, well yeah, especially like because if you're creating the sterile environment, like obviously you care, you know, you're trying to make sure that your kid is like, safe from all these like foreign substances and bacteria and whatever. And that's to the, you're detriment at that point. It's so crazy and it and whatever, and that's to the your detriment at that point. It's so crazy, and it just remind, we've had stuff like this in the past

Starting point is 00:44:49 where like a long time ago, and I can't remember what watch manufacturer was, but there was these watches that had glowing hands on them. So there were watches that people would buy, and you could see the hands really well because they would kinda glow, and the way that they would glow is people would buy, and that you could see the hands really well because they would kinda glow. And the way that they would glow is they would paint, I think, radium on them, which is radioactive.

Starting point is 00:45:10 And they didn't know that it was bad to handle this material. And so there were a lot of women that took this job. And what they would do is they'd use these little tiny paint brushes and they'd paint on the radium. But in between, they'd, many times lick the brush to create a fine point. What the fuck up?

Starting point is 00:45:26 Where do you hear this? This is an old store, this has happened in the 19, I wanna say in the 1920s, maybe, or 30s. And all these women were. To that mercury, oh my goodness. All these women were getting cancer. And they realized, oh shit, it's because you're licking the paint brushes

Starting point is 00:45:41 and you're getting this radioactive material. And it just reminds me of how many times we have these situations and then realize it was we were doing it to ourselves. You know, and I think that this, you know, we're going to, God, I think honestly in the next 10 to 10 years, we're doing it to ourselves when a lot of this stuff didn't exist to fucking 100 years ago. That's the obvious thing, right? To me, it's like that's, like, so I think when people play this, like,

Starting point is 00:46:05 oh, I hate, I hate, I hate the radium girls, that's what they call them. I hate hearing this, like, oh, my genetics are all this, all the time, it's like, dude, it's so crazy. You have to shit that we're all talking about that we're suffering from. We weren't suffering from this 100 years ago. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:19 It doesn't make sense. We just want to control our environment so bad and it's just like, we create new problems as a result. This is it. Like, why are we in these hyper, super sterile, clean environments? Where did you read this, dude? What a random fucking fact.

Starting point is 00:46:33 That right now. I didn't read it a long time ago. Yeah, that's free. Like, in 1930. I want to say, let's say a fun fact. Hold on, I want to snap a cap. I want to see if I was right with the years. What years was that?

Starting point is 00:46:44 What did that happen? They called it the Radium Girls. I mean, it? It's a snapple cat. I wanna see if I was right with the years. What years was that? What did that happen? They called them the Radium Girls. I mean, it's black and white. 1927. Damn it! One day I'll be wrong. You were, it's the Radium Girls.

Starting point is 00:46:53 I feel like there's a song. It sounds like they'd be hot, right? I mean, you wanna go meet the Radium Girls? For sure. We in Radium Girls. For sure, one of the things that people would at meet us are most impressed with aside from that, they're like, oh my God, you're exactly the same

Starting point is 00:47:04 as you are on the fucking show besides that. It's holy shit, Sal really doesn't have a laptop in front of him when he says all this weird random shit. Oh, no, people always think that. Embedded in your brain. People always think that. No, I'm not looking at shit. But anyway, you know, we have these hyper clean environments because we've been told, we

Starting point is 00:47:23 discovered germ theory, we discovered that bacteria and viruses exist and that's what makes us sick. And so immediately what we did is we fucking tried to eradicate them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. eradicate them for everything. That's the enemy.

Starting point is 00:47:38 Let's get rid of them. Yes. That knee jerk reaction. And now we're seeing that that is caused its own problems. And so it's just how often are we going, how many times are we gonna learn this lesson? Isn't that crazy? I know. And it's like, that's why I'm like, go outside, go play, get dirty, it's fine.

Starting point is 00:47:52 I mean, we'll watch it out. Just an intensely, it doesn't shower, kids. Yeah, like drink tap water, you know, like just like, why are you like being such a purist about all this shit? It's not really like that good, like proved to me that that's a better method. That, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm with you. And it's, you know, we have to learn this.

Starting point is 00:48:10 We keep having to learn this lesson where we discover something and we say, oh, and we go, we overreact and don't realize that there's a balance that has to be found. God, you know, cholesterol is a good example of that. We discovered a while ago that when arteries are clogged, it's cholesterol that's clogging the arteries. So we overreact and we're like,

Starting point is 00:48:33 oh, fuck, hammer the fuck at your cholesterol. Lower like crazy because that's what's gonna cause problems. And now we're starting to realize that that's actually causing more problems itself. You know, yes, ask yourself, was it necessary for us to do that to figure that out though? Yeah. Just like back in the day, like I mentioned the Nick,

Starting point is 00:48:51 like where they're trying to figure out like these procedures, like, and like they, man so many people died because it's part of the process of like figuring out well this happens so then this and oh my God. Here's Kyle. That's why when we talk about these like figuring out, well, this happens so then this. And oh my God. Here's Kyle. That's why when we talk about these extreme things, it's almost like as humans, we have to do that.

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Starting point is 00:49:40 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout Our first question is from Danielle 2000 Do you think parents should punish any and all underage drinking or allow their minor children to drink under their own roof? Oh, interesting question. Yeah, you know, I have a so I have this kid that I went to high school with I'll never forget Kenny Good buddy mine and his parents Used to allow him to drink and it used to drive me crazy because my I absolutely could not right I was going to hell if I drink so I was not not really I'm gonna say what about wine?

Starting point is 00:50:19 Yeah, no, that's exaggeration Jesus made water, but But we absolutely were not allowed to underage drink. But my good friend, Kenny, his parents would allow us and the rule was if we were at there, they had to drink at the house. We all had to give them the keys and they would allow us to do it. Now the thing that drove me crazy was as a high school kid who was introduced to alcohol,

Starting point is 00:50:43 it became the thing that we did every Friday or Saturday, was like, who do we have the shoulder tap or where are we drinking at, or whose parents are out of town so we could go to their house. And we always had Kenny, because Kenny didn't have to have his parents out of town, because we could technically go drink there, but Kenny never wanted to drink it.

Starting point is 00:50:58 He was a 4.2 GPA student, fucking hell smart. He didn't care, it wasn't a big deal. Yeah, it wasn't a big deal, because his parents had always allowed him to do that. So it was an interesting example of, you know, and I'm not to say that that works for every, every parent because I'm sure there's some. You hear about that like in Europe, there's that sort of mentality where it's always around, right?

Starting point is 00:51:19 Like within or there's wine and, you know, the little have like, a lot of their kids have sip and it's almost like the stigma of it and the taboo sort of vibe around it is just completely different. I think that, I mean, it is, there's something to that, for sure, obviously, you know, I have a little bit of reserve and a problem though with like having other people's kids over

Starting point is 00:51:40 and like, yeah, yeah, my house is the one where everybody's like drinking. Like, I don't like that at all. I don't think I would could own that either. I think that I would allow my kids that I like, yeah, yeah, my house is the one where everybody's like drinking. Like, I don't like that at all. I don't think I would could own that either. I think that I would allow my kids that I don't have, right? I would allow them. Yeah, yeah, your hypothetical. Yeah, but pretend kids.

Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah, Adam number two. Yeah, I would let my pretend kids experiment with that with me and under my roof or with me in it wherever we're at, you know, if we're on some vacation or trip somewhere, right? And I would allow that, but I don't know, I don't think I would like Kenny's parents, although what was crazy was because they taught him responsibility, you know, and I remember, I remember being the young kid who was always looking

Starting point is 00:52:19 to get in trouble on a Friday Saturday night and asking Kenny, like, hey dude, let's go to your parent, we have nowhere to party or drink. And he's like, no, no, no, we have, I've got a test on Monday, I've got a study, you know what I'm ever been like. Fucker, you're not that cool. Right.

Starting point is 00:52:31 It's like Kenny's mentality. A large chunk of the reason why teenagers do shit is because they're rebelling. It's that whole taboo, 100%. If it's not taboo, it's not really that big of a deal anymore. And that's, look, statistically speaking, kids will rebel against what their parents are most hard on.

Starting point is 00:52:49 You know, the most difficult thing that the parents are on with them is what they tend to rebel against. And look, the facts are this, in America, American teens binge drink at much higher rates than they do in Europe. Actually, binge drinking is worse in America than anywhere else. Now, in a lot of European countries like in Italy, alcohol is a family affair. And kids drink with the parents and people have wine.

Starting point is 00:53:14 And the other thing too, I remember the first time I drank alcohol. So in my house, nobody drank alcohol. So we were not like the typical Italian family. We didn't have beer or wine ever and it was very taboo in my in my house. Now the first time I drank alcohol or really drank alcohol I was I think 19 years old and I didn't understand the consequences of drinking. I knew you got drunk and you could get sick But I was inexperienced and so what I did was I was with my at the time one of my mentors

Starting point is 00:53:45 bought us some alcohol and I drank it and I started feeling good so what I didn't know that what you drink now takes a little bit to hit you so I kept going and I got fucking sick, I got super super sick and I think that and like ask me now hall off and I get sick when I drink never I never get sick when I drink now because I know my limits, I know my body, I understand the consequences, and I feel like I would have known that had I drank with my parents and where someone was there guiding me, explaining to me, and it wasn't so taboo. So for me, for sure, with my kids, the first time they drink or do whatever or anything else that's legal like cannabis I'm gonna I'm gonna do it with them and I'm gonna talk to them about the consequences and what can happen

Starting point is 00:54:31 So the question is as a parent do you is it you you wait for that question to be asked and does it matter what age when they come to you Like does your does it matter if it's your 11 year old asking you or does it matter if it's your 15 year old who's asking you Like where do you where does that line for you guys because what if you're oh what's the age? matter if it's your 11 year old asking you, or does it matter if it's your 15 year old who's asking you, like, where do you, where does that line for you guys? Cause what if you're, Oh, what's the age? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:50 I think for, for me, it's always been just putting, like, downplaying a lot of, like, being really responsible with me and my wife, like, when we are drinking, like, they know that it's, it's an alcoholic beverage. And like, it's interesting interesting because you get that immediate feedback of like, I was wrong, it's in Canada. No, you know, so you know, it's funny about this. So I've seen several studies that say

Starting point is 00:55:13 that America has the worst binge drinking. So I'll be interested to see what this article that Doug pulled up that says that Europe has worse teen drinking problems and how they're quantifying that, like what that means. I know the drinking culture in Europe is a little bit different in the sense that it's more, it's more of a social thing, more of a family thing in some countries.

Starting point is 00:55:36 Like I said, like in Italy for example, but I mean, here's the way I'd like to treat everyone. I definitely think it all should fall, whatever we agree, like, as a society is an adulthood for somebody, I think that they all should fall under that. Well, I think parents should be able to handle that. You don't have a autonomy with that. How could they fucking want to? You know, like this is their family.

Starting point is 00:56:01 Like it's literally how they... The scary part is that... Wanna set them up for that. The scary part is that there's a large portion of kids running around that aren't being parented. Yeah, well that's so therefore There's an issue something in place, right? Because otherwise those kids are gonna run a muck Yeah, and and I just think that I think it's it's a it's a something for the family to handle I think if you want to talk about drinking age in terms of legality I think if you wanna talk about drinking age in terms of legality, I think it's absolutely insane

Starting point is 00:56:28 that we trust in 18 year olds. To why did Denmark off the charts? Part of their culture. But you know, this is percentage of 16 year olds who report being drunk, which isn't the same thing as binge drinking getting sick and going to the hospital. It could be, you know, ask a bunch of 16 year olds, hey, have you ever been drunk?

Starting point is 00:56:44 I'm like, oh yeah, I felt. Well, I think that's a good measure. I think that's asking a 50, because I didn't binge drink when I was a kid. And I was like, you didn't get sick when you first started drinking, you were drinking, you drink till you got sick.

Starting point is 00:56:54 Well, yeah, sure we did that. But I mean, I don't, I mean, being drunk versus what you're saying that that's, if you throw up, you're considered a binge drinker. You know what, there's a, there's a, there's a way that they define bench drinkinger. Because I think being drunk is pretty much what every kid was chasing.

Starting point is 00:57:08 Okay, so it wasn't like, let's, I'm a, so the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism defines bench drinking as a pattern of alcohol consumption that brings the blood alcohol concentration level to 0.08 or more. So for females, typically it's by consuming four or more drinks within two hours. And for males, it's five or more drinks within two hours. So if you're a guy and average, I feel like a kid that's being asked this,

Starting point is 00:57:36 if you're a 15, 16 year old kid and you've been asked if you've been drunk, you would connect the same thing. Maybe. Because as a 15, 16 year old kid, that when I, because that's about the age when I first experienced drinking and trying to get drunk, it was a race to get drunk.

Starting point is 00:57:49 It wasn't like you were, and so if you were to ask me the same question here, I would say, yes, 15 16 years old, I've been drunk before. And if you ask me, do I think I binge drink? I would probably think, no, I don't think I'm a binge because I think as a kid, I would probably think that binge drinking is this like, you know, thing that you do every single week, every single day and you're, well, look at it this way. Like let's talk about

Starting point is 00:58:10 sex. Like STD rates tend to be higher where kids are in environments where sex is super, super taboo. So they don't learn about condoms. They don't learn about preparation. And it tends to be these random acts of whatever where they have sex and you get STD rates on the rise and team pregnancy and stuff. I think all subjects are like that. Not that you should sit down and have your kids do whatever, I think just being honest. Just be fucking honest.

Starting point is 00:58:37 You don't have to demonize everything. My kids ask me, I had this conversation with my son about all drugs and he went down the gamut of drugs. And at the end of it, I told him the same thing with all of them. I said, look, I did go into the science on each one and how people do them, and people tend to do heroin with needles,

Starting point is 00:58:55 and here's the problems with that, and people tend to do cocaine this way, because he was, he had all these questions. But at the end of it, I'm like, look, people do these drugs, because for whatever reason, it makes them feel good. Or, for whatever reason it makes them feel good or many times it makes them feel like they forget about their problems

Starting point is 00:59:09 because they're escaping or whatever. And there's abuse potential with all drugs and some drugs have higher abuse potential than others. And there's also the risk of the law that's higher with some drugs than there is with others. Like if you're old enough to drink alcohol and you drink alcohol, you have a very low risk of going to jail because of it. But if you do, you know, a drug like cocaine,

Starting point is 00:59:32 the risk is much higher because it's very illegal. So I'm just being super honest with my kids. And I feel like that's better than doing the whole like fear thing or taboo thing, like sex. Like if we talk about sex, the way I talked about, and again, I talked about this with my son because he's older, as I say look, you know, I know that you go to Catholic school and they talk about waiting till you're married.

Starting point is 00:59:55 And I understand that, but you also know that I live in this house with Jessica and we're not married. And I said, I think the reason why that role was made is so that people waited till they were serious and they really had a connection with someone and it meant more than just the physical act of sex. I said, when you just do the physical act of sex,

Starting point is 01:00:13 very few people can do that without having, you know, detrimental manifests, you know, if they continue to do that for a long periods of time. So it's really about respecting yourself and respecting the other person. And I'm just being totally honest, sex feels good. This is why people do it.

Starting point is 01:00:26 But there's much more to sex than just the feeling of feeling good. There's the connection that you can get from it. And I'm just being totally honest so that they can make a more educated decision. Because otherwise you get this taboo where you think it's so bad then you get exposed to it, you rebel, you try it, you think your parents are liars

Starting point is 01:00:43 and they don't know what they're talking about. And then you start to go in the opposite direction where you, you rebel, you try it, you think your parents are liars, and they don't know what they're talking about. And then you start to go in the opposite direction where you kinda go crazy. And I think that's what happens with alcohol. Like if you drink, like if my son says, hey, can I try some of that beer? Yeah, you can taste it. And then he's like, oh, it's gross.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Yeah, I don't know, it takes a while to get used to the flavor or whatever. Why do you drink it? I like the taste. And when you get a little bit of alcohol and you start to feel kind of relaxed, but I don't drink it off and cause of this, that and the other.

Starting point is 01:01:08 There's no, like what's wrong with being totally honest? Like what are we afraid of when we tell our kids? Well, it's what everyone's afraid of is the reflection, bro. Yeah. That's because when you're somebody who says something like that, you say that because you manage all those things, but let's be honest, half of America or more, doesn't and they need three to four glasses of wine every night

Starting point is 01:01:28 and their kids sees that, and they know inside, they feel guilty, and then your kid asks you about it. What are you gonna say to them? Yeah, mommy or daddy hates his work, or hates his wife or hates his husband. And so to take the edge off, I drink, you know, four glasses after dinner all the time. And so it's interesting you say that because I had a conversation with one of my good friends who like he saw that sort of reflection. He saw that feedback that

Starting point is 01:01:55 he was getting like, like, oh, dad, you're having another, you know, margarita or whatever, you know, and then he just was like, oh, wow, this is, this is scary. And so all of a sudden, now the whole household, there's no alcohol. And there's this dry, like, you know, and then he just was like, oh wow, this is scary. And so all of a sudden now the whole household, there's no alcohol and there's this dry. Like, you know, he had this like panic moment and I thought about that, like resonate with me and I was like, cause my kids see me drink it and you know, every now and then and like, and me and Courtney and it's like,

Starting point is 01:02:19 you know, is this something that they should be seeing frequently and this and that, but like, at the same time, it's casual, I was like, no, this is who I am. Like I'm not trying to, yeah, I'm not abusing it, I'm an adult, I'm doing this responsibly, like is this something I'll do occasionally? The question becomes when they start asking.

Starting point is 01:02:39 And that's where I feel like. So the dialogue needs to happen with them though, you can't shy away from it. Right, and my daughter, and I think where most people struggle is, and even you saying I feel like the dialogue needs to happen with them though. You can't like, you know, shy away from it. Right. And like my daughter, and I think where most people struggle is, you know, and even you saying that right now, they're, and what's great about someone like you though, I think you're open-minded to this possibility that, you know, maybe you don't know or don't realize that they are connecting that dad has a drink at some amount of times and they're

Starting point is 01:03:01 paying attention. And one day they do decide to ask, and you will have to answer, like you'll have to answer, which you probably will, but it'll also cause you to kind of probably reflect a little bit and go like, dude, I'll be completely honest. I had to check myself,

Starting point is 01:03:16 because I was like, oh, wow, we've been ramping it up because we've been stressed, and our household has been chaotic, and we were drawn to wanting to drink. They noticed it and it's awkward, right? Because you're like, oh shit, they're paying attention. But then you just like, you work through that. You're like, okay, well, I internally calm down myself and then I, you know, sparingly, I'll reintroduce it, but like, yeah, it's fine. That's feedback to me, is how I look for it.

Starting point is 01:03:47 I think, I think, you, another good point about this is say what you want, it's how you act that really makes the big impact. Yeah. And if you're at home and you're having a little bit of wine with dinner and it's normal and everybody's whatever, it's fine, that sends a very different message than

Starting point is 01:04:05 dad is angry. I don't know how easy you'd even say that though. I mean, I look at wine, cannabis, scotch, drinking, all the same to me. Sure. And I told you just recently we were talking and I told you that I'm gonna do like the 30 day fast from cannabis and you're, oh, why?

Starting point is 01:04:20 Well, you know, I'm like, well, you know, I know that there's a good possibility that Katrina and then in next year or two, her and I could be pregnant. And I most certainly will not have cannabis in the house. Like, I just, and not because I think it's evil and it's wrong and I feel guilty for all that, it's just I don't want my child to see that dad has this,

Starting point is 01:04:41 even because at that age, I don't think they can process everything that I can and understand that, and when the time comes, it doesn't mean that I would run away from that, doesn't mean that I would hide it and deny it. It just means that I don't want them exposed to it all the time, because I don't want their little brains to formulate that this is a normal thing in an okay pattern,, they're not developed enough

Starting point is 01:05:05 to say, hey, you know what, like, dad is just relaxing and that's how he reacts is, well, what if I want to relax and I'm a kid and they don't understand that the same. I don't even know if they, if they consciously will even make that. Yeah, I'll give you another example. They don't, it's probably subconsciously happening. I'll give you an example, but it's being cemented in there, bro.

Starting point is 01:05:21 Yeah, but it's how it's done. Like, here's an example, nudity. Okay, is it okay to it's done. Like here's an example, nudity, okay? Is it okay to be naked around your kids? Depends on why you're naked and how you're naked. Like getting out of the shower or whatever, and just being naked or whatever? Not a big fucking deal.

Starting point is 01:05:35 But, you know, being funny about it, whatever, very inappropriate. Like, you know, if, like I said, if it's a part of whatever and there's no dysfunction in the house, like if people are drinking and acting crazy or if dad's pissed off until he has his drink or mom is getting hammered at night cause she's whatever, that is very different than

Starting point is 01:05:53 you're having a beer, having wine and it's like a normal, not a big deal. There's a very big difference in what happens. And you just said again right there, that's where I interrupt you last time is it's a normal thing. What does that mean? Like it's very normal that we have to take,

Starting point is 01:06:06 I have to take the edge off with a substance every night. No, I don't think every night, I think every night might be too much, but it depends on the family and the, look, I have family members, cousins who, you know, when I'd go visit them in Italy, wine was at dinner most of the time, most of the time dad would have a glass of wine.

Starting point is 01:06:26 I don't, there wasn't any dysfunction there that I could see. It didn't seem that way. It wasn't like he was getting smashed. It was literally a single glass of wine with dinner. Now cannabis might be a little bit different cause it's smoke and you do get high off of one hit. I don't know if it's necessarily saying,

Starting point is 01:06:44 maybe I'm brainwashed because cannabis has been... Sure you are. It's been free. Yeah, which one? It's traumatized. When you look at stigmatized, when you look at what the potential that the pathway of drinking alcohol

Starting point is 01:06:55 on a regular basis can lead to as far as dangers in far outweighs cannabis. So I definitely can, I disagree with the normalization of it is just saying that it's no big deal. When in reality, the reason why, and I'm not judging, by no means right now, this is me just having open dialogue with you guys, because it's something that I've thought

Starting point is 01:07:14 about how I would handle that, because I am 100% pro cannabis, and it's something that is a part of my life. But then also, I'm also aware enough to know that, you know, as a young child, and I feel like I feel passionate about this because I see what happened to my brother. Like I see my little brother right now and the pathway that he's going down right now, and it breaks my heart. And it breaks my heart because I know that he has an older brother who was involved in

Starting point is 01:07:37 the cannabis business. And when he experienced it was years before I did, I didn't until my late 20s when I was responsible as fuck and I understood it to a much deeper level than he does. And I've now watched it consume his life. You know, so I don't know, man, I have a really hard time with just justifying it and saying it's normal to have a drink every now and then and to say to-

Starting point is 01:08:04 Well think about it this way. Like, you know, let's say, you know, dad has pain or mom has to take a medication for something. And so she takes her prescription drug every single day in front of the kids. Versus bad. Versus, just bad. Versus, just bad.

Starting point is 01:08:19 Well, like, is it bad or is it, I don't know. It's a very good question. I think, I don't know, I don't know how you can, I think it's impossible to do this blanket. Like I know what dysfunction is when I see it. Right, I think it's just becoming aware. Like again, like, it's become aware and like, like, paint attention to the feedback you're getting because you're still who you are, you know, like going into being a parent.

Starting point is 01:08:43 It's not like all of a sudden you become this, like model example. Yeah, but I would debate that right there is that part of who you are is, is I'm less aware. And now becoming a parent, I'm becoming hyper aware because now I have a tiny, many reflection of myself. Sure. And what I thought was normal, but do you hate that about yourself or do do you not, like, is that something you enjoy and you don't feel like that's a detriment to your character? I don't know, that's something you have to ask. Which person has to ask himself individually is this enhancing who I am or is it?

Starting point is 01:09:18 I think that's really the question. So it's like, that's how I deal with it from going forward. Is like, do I not like that about myself? I don't want to present that for my kids, so I won't. Yeah, I would have to say that if you're, unless you have medicinal reasons for it, I would say generally daily use of cannabis and alcohol or anything.

Starting point is 01:09:38 Probably, yeah, it's probably not good. It's a little bit of dependency. Yeah, I mean, I'm like a three day a week or four day a week or if I don't have the kids, definitely, if I do have the kids sometimes and it's after they go to bed and it's outside or something like that. But yeah, it's a good question. It really is.

Starting point is 01:09:58 I think it does require a lot of self-reflection. But in terms of discussing and talking, and the reality is they're gonna be exposed to things. The reality is that- 100% if my kid comes and he asks dad, I'm really curious about drinking, like son, Friday night, you and I, we're gonna sit down and we're gonna drink

Starting point is 01:10:17 and we're gonna talk all about it. I think that'd be fun. Yeah. I 100% would be that way. Like if he can't- Well, I just know come in and I had a very similar experience growing up. It was so taboo.

Starting point is 01:10:29 Like even in, there's like, my mom made a point of like putting like little like like post it like magnets and things that were just like like demonizing all alcohol consumption and like having like drunkardness is prohibited in this house. And all the shit. And I was the only one that was like, you know, I tried it and I actually liked it. I was like, oh, I'm a fucking demon now.

Starting point is 01:10:51 And now that I was like, no, I'm a good kid. It's not like what you guys had made it out to be. And you and I, you and I connect on that level because we were very similar with that, which also makes me though reflect even more on myself because I know because I was raised a certain way on one extreme that I'm gonna probably lean towards the other extreme, almost as a fuck you.

Starting point is 01:11:10 Right, so you wanna check yourself on the rebellion. Right. I struggle with that too. Right, right, so. You're gonna question, I mean, you end up questioning everything you do, like. Am I watching TV too much in front of me? Yes, did I yell at the remote control?

Starting point is 01:11:23 I have yelled and I've brazed. You know, it's just happened. Which is good, I think totally. Because you guys are, again, that's why I was saying, with Justin, I know that no matter what, when that time comes, I know that he's the 10th person that will really dive deep into that instead of just saying, because I told you so, or daddy does, you don't get to.

Starting point is 01:11:41 You don't say, I know neither one of you or father or all three of you even for that matter of a dog, are fathers like that. So I think it's cool, but it's definitely something that I've thought long and hard about as far as, you know, how would I, how would I monitor, I would change what I do, which I don't think is changing me. I think it's just being a responsible adult

Starting point is 01:11:59 and having a child who doesn't have the thought process like you have, I think I would change the way I smoke cannabis now. I would. Right now in the freedom of my home and I have adults and stuff like that in their old time, I'm fucking burned right in the middle of the living room and I have an asterisk out, I'll leave a half joint in there because my fucking house, I'll do what I want to do.

Starting point is 01:12:18 But if I did have a kid inside there, I have a lock box. It's timing with that, you know, that conversation, I feel like there that opportunity They're yeah, they're too young. I get that's something that needs to happen a bit later, but it will happen Hey, buddy. Do you know what we It's not time to look store Right, look was it was start go gay to eight. Oh, that's what floored me. I mean, I was just like oh my god

Starting point is 01:12:42 I can't even imagine it's like unfathomable to me. It's terrible. No, I keep everything in a lock box because it's psychoactive substance. And I do have sometimes edibles, and I hate this about edibles. They're all fucking fruit flavored chocolate fucking candies. What a dangerous thing to keep an eye out. They won't kill your kid, but for sure, if one of my kids ate that on accident, I would that's gonna be an experience. It would destroy my heart.

Starting point is 01:13:05 Oh, that's terrible. Next up is via Netanyl. How do you create a perfect program? Yeah, how to create the perfect program? We don't know. We don't know. There's none exists. No, it doesn't exist.

Starting point is 01:13:21 I actually like that you picked this because I think the person would probably assume that we'd sit here and probably break down how that's done Well think about this maps perfection. Yeah, when I thought about this I thought okay, here's what we do when we create a program is when we create a program get really high Right after that last question, yeah I I think we all think about how did you write maps? I forgot I forgot, we all thought that when you were 18. We all think about the person that we're trying to create the program for, because that's

Starting point is 01:13:52 trainers, when I used to create programs for people, there was a whole process. We created programs for the majority instead of creating programs that played into people's insecurities. That is the major difference of where, and by no means is our program any more perfect than another person's program. It's that through the years of experience between the three of us, the thousands of people that we've trained, we know what a majority of people, what they struggle with and what they need to work with or what they need to help it on, what they're not focusing on,

Starting point is 01:14:23 what they should to work with or they need to help it on, what they're not focusing on, what they should be focusing on. And so with that information, we have what we call expert programming. And the other side, the other types of programs are out there, we're designed based off your insecurities because you want to look like I look or you're trying to do this. And so you think it's an exercise you're missing. So I throw in all this creative shit in there

Starting point is 01:14:43 that you've never seen before. Like that's how most programs are done. What are you just seeing physically, what works best out of like, and then just to mention all the thousands of people I've trained personally, Adam's trained personally, Sal's trained personally,

Starting point is 01:14:57 you just see a pattern that emerges and you start to kind of pay attention to certain exercises, the cadence of the workout, you know, what they're coming in with that they pre-existing have already as far as like postural concerns and the way that they're movement, you know, mechanics, what that looks like, you know, their stress levels, what state they're in emotionally, like there's just so many variables that, you know, if you can kind of deduce that whole process down to, you know, a few things to focus on

Starting point is 01:15:31 and then sort of build around that and then build outside of it. Let's talk some nuts and bolts here, like maps, right? So something that, I mean, and I remember when Sal first sent this over, it's how I, why we were all together is because I saw it and right away, I was like, this is brilliant and this is the fucking message that should be given to people right now, because this is a majority. Now, there's nothing there. For sure, there's somebody who buys maps,

Starting point is 01:15:53 and then buys some other program that's nothing like maps, and they may possibly get better results for them for at that time in their life with running another program. But what we knew was that there was a huge misconception with this intensity driven culture that we have right now, that you know, if you want to look a certain way or get the results, it's the harder you work at it. And that's all that matters. Yeah, and that's all that matters.

Starting point is 01:16:18 And that couldn't be further from the truth hence why so much energy is put into, listen, you could train two or three days a week and build an incredible physique. In fact, you're better off learning to do that first before you build on top of that and have this five day, six day, seven day a week type of regimen that's crazy high intense. That should take you years to progress up to that.

Starting point is 01:16:42 And along the way, you should be seeing great results. Now, that's speaking to 85 to 90% of the population. I'm not talking to some fucking hyper athlete or super bodybuilder that's been lifting since he was fucking 12. I'm talking to the masses, a majority, which is the people that we trained. And so when we program, there's things in there that we did that like, okay, taking that into consideration, 90% of the people that follow a protocol that's only three days a week, but a full body type of routine with the major lifts involved is going to blow away all these other programs that

Starting point is 01:17:15 are around. Here's the thing, when we create programs, we're creating them for an avatar. So if we create, like when we create a math performance, we're thinking, okay, math performance is for the person who's interested in functional athletic movement and performance, maybe somebody who's attracted to CrossFit because of that, how would we design a workout for that type of person?

Starting point is 01:17:37 Yeah, and then also have it lead into like a season. So you could use it as an off season, sort of a workout protocol. Exactly. All that stuff we kind of factored in. Exactly. But so here's what happens when I used to create programs for individuals. Like I didn't just sit down and say, okay Mrs. Johnson or Mr. Smith, what are your goals? Want to build muscle burn body fat? Okay, let me write your program. That's not how you write a program. Yes, your goals were important, but I got to know your exercise history.

Starting point is 01:18:02 I got to start to decide, I got to look at your overall stress load because exercise is a stress on the body, and it's just adding to all the other stress you have in your life, and if you have a lot of stress in your life, you don't have that much room for a whole lot of other stress. In fact, if I put too much on your body in combination with all the other stress that you have in your life, your body's not only not gonna respond, but might go backwards. I'm going to look at your movement patterns. I'm going to look at your personality, like how dedicated and motivated are you. How realistic is it that you're going to come to the gym? Right. X amount of days a week. So that's how you create the perfect program is you got to plug all of that stuff in and then you spit out or routine. And then even then, I would train someone

Starting point is 01:18:43 with a routine and the program would change, I would train someone with a routine and the program would change month to month based on how their body was responding. Now with maps, of course, we don't have the luxury of talking to every single person of the 10,000 or however many thousands of people that have bought our program, we don't have that luxury.

Starting point is 01:18:59 What we do have is an avatar, a general avatar based on our collective 60 years of experience of training people, and then we design programs for specific goals, you know, maps aesthetic is for like your bodybuilder types and maps and a ballic is more for your average person, he just wants to build muscle and so on and so forth, and then we design the routine. So you really have to base it on yourself, and there are general truths. Here's some general truths for you. Big gross motor movements seem tend to be more effective

Starting point is 01:19:30 than single joint isolation type movements. Now that doesn't mean isolation movements don't have value. Yeah, they're not irrelevant. That means it just means literally what I said. Generally speaking, place more emphasis on gross motor movements. And in example, we talk with Ben Pukolsky, a lot who's big time on the isolation thing. But here's the difference between someone like Ben

Starting point is 01:19:48 who's been building himself for so many years and has put in the foundation and the hard work already that he has the luxury to isolate and focus on certain muscles to develop them because he specialized himself to the end of the degree. 100% where we know that a majority people are nowhere near his level. Maybe we'll never get to this.

Starting point is 01:20:07 And we'll probably never get to that level. And the majority of people are neglecting some of the most important movements like squatting, like deadlifting, like the overhead press, like those three, especially. I mean, most people are bench pressing that sends it to be a pretty stable. But the deadlift, the squat and the overhead press

Starting point is 01:20:24 are the three next biggest movements you could possibly do. And a good portion of people are completely ignoring them. And even the ones that aren't ignoring them, myself included, for many years, kind of sporadically put them in there. When they should have been the nuts and bolts in the core of all of my pro. And we also know that training to failure all the time for most people is not only is it too much, so not only are you wasting your time and energy, but it's actually detrimental. Most people will do best stopping a couple reps

Starting point is 01:20:57 short of failure. Most people will do best training their entire body between two to four days a week, and rather than training body parts once a week. Most people will do best training with exercises that are more specific to their goals, especially if they have athletic or functional type goals. Like if you want to be a better swimmer,

Starting point is 01:21:19 well, there's more carryover from some exercises than there are to others. And so these are all important things. You know, once you understand your recovery ability, once you understand the amount of time you can spend in the gym, maybe past injuries, and movement, and all that stuff. Like right now I'm coaching someone

Starting point is 01:21:34 who has got really, really bad ankle mobility. So he sent me a video of his squat and he can barely get down to parallel and his feet, you know, pronating his knees, start to collapse and he's been working out for a long time. This person's not going to be squatting for a little while. I'm going to be having him do split stance exercises so we can get a full range of motion and we're going to work on ankle mobility for a little while. So these are all, these are all things you need to take into account when you're designing your team. But the general

Starting point is 01:22:00 truths are gross motor movements. Remember whatever you're're asking for is what you're gonna get. So the exercise and the intensity is pretty specific to the results you're gonna get. You're gonna get, don't go to failure most of the time. Train the whole body two to four days a week. And then if you wanna get more specific, you get one of our programs or you start to design your own. We really, I mean, we really designed them

Starting point is 01:22:20 with the intent of not being programs to get to a certain point. Like, oh, follow MAP Santa B if you want to build a bunch of strengths. Sure, it's marketed that way, sure, it's tagged that way. But really, they're all like tools, education tools. So really good templates. Yeah, they're really good templates for you to learn from. That's what, and we tell you.

Starting point is 01:22:37 And tell me. And tell me. And so that is the idea is that for somebody to go through that process, so they can learn and they can then program even more specific to themselves, which is why too, again, if you have any of our programs and you don't have prime or prime pro to go with it, like to me, that's a must. That is how we taught somebody to program for themselves.

Starting point is 01:23:00 It's like, okay, here's a good template. We've already structured it for you. It's very basic. It's going to get you incredible results for about 90% of the population for themselves. Because it's like, okay, here's a good template. We've already structured it for you. It's very basic. It's going to get you incredible results for about 90% of the population for sure. And then on top of that, here is this at home test that you should take yourself and find out where your imbalances are, your specifically. And then here are movements to help those imbalances that you should integrate yourself into a program, whether it's maps or another one that you develop yourself, but that is really the intent of these programs.

Starting point is 01:23:30 It's not, get shredded in 30 days or 90 days or sell you on this thing. It's like, listen, go through this because you're gonna learn a fuck ton. Yeah, the real value of it is that, like if you look at your body, like we're trying to educate the body. You've done a great job at going through the educational process of learning acquired

Starting point is 01:23:49 knowledge from all different types of pursuits and different trades and skills. As far as what your body is capable of, what kind of attributes you can add to your body? What do these adaptations look like? And to be able to feel and experience that, I feel like it's very valuable because now you can understand your body specifically on such another level. I used to hate it when I would read like muscle magazines or people would talk to lifters when I was a kid. And it's like, hey, what's the best routine for me? They'd be like, well, you got to figure that out for yourself.

Starting point is 01:24:25 I used to hate that, but there's some, definitely some truth to it. However, I wish I had a good template. Like if somebody gave me an excellent template like maps back then, I would have learned my body way faster, way faster. But instead, I had to go through trial and error so many fucking times. It took me years and years and years to figure that out and through training people and all of the stuff. So I mean, my favorite people who tend to comment or trainers who get the programs and then

Starting point is 01:24:54 learn more about training other people because you know they're applying some of the stuff and figuring out for themselves and that's always exciting. Well that's what, I mean, you're right. When we first started this, obviously it was for the masses, but we realized that it's appealed a lot to trainers because it's now made all these trainers, but which is fucking awesome because I know we know that if we impact one single trainer, we now, it's like five to 10 clients.

Starting point is 01:25:15 Yeah, minimum, right? I mean, minimum their training five to 10 clients. I mean, now we potentially are affecting, you know, five, 10 times the amount by going through a trainer, which is cool. Next question is from Joe Buns. Has he CrossFit as a whole done more harm or good for the fitness industry? I think, unequivocally, they've done more good than harm for the fitness industry.

Starting point is 01:25:40 And I've grown a monkey ranch. I am so... I could definitely argue it both ways. I can, but I think, I can argue the harm, but I think they've done way more good. And I am so happy that I've been in the industry as long as I have, because I could see it clear. It's almost like there was fitness, you know,

Starting point is 01:25:59 before CrossFit, I'm talking about the industry, the gym industry, before CrossFit and after CrossFit. And I could clearly see the changes, the gym industry, before CrossFit and after CrossFit, and I could clearly see the changes. Before CrossFit, nobody, nobody did Barbell Squats, for sure nobody did Barbell deadlifts, and for sure women didn't do either one ever in the gym, ever, I would manage these 30,000 plus square foot facilities, big old monster right, which get in average

Starting point is 01:26:24 to 1500 to 2000 workouts a day. Just lots of people coming in and the entire gym, the whole gym would have one squat rack. And no one would use it. And it would be, it would be dusty. Just all over. The plates that the gyms would have, and still a lot of gyms have these plates,

Starting point is 01:26:39 because they bought them a while ago, would be these fucking hexagonal stupid plates that you never want a deadlift in. But it didn't matter because nobody ever deadlift it. And if you've ever deadlifted with a hexagonal plate, you know how dangerous that is when you put the weight down at shifts and it's stupid, right? But that's because nobody deadlifted so it didn't matter. Women, I had to convince women to use machines, let alone use free weights. Like I had to convince them just to lift weights.

Starting point is 01:27:04 Then CrossFit comes into the scene. Next thing you know, guys are squatting, deadlifting women are lifting weights, they're in the weight room. They single-handedly did more for women's resistance training than the gyms did in the previous, I don't know how many decades.

Starting point is 01:27:21 Like, single-handedly CrossFit made it cool. I think we all agree on that. Is hexagonal a word? I just, I don't know how many decades, like, single handedly crossfit made it cool for women. I think we all agree on that. Is hexagonal a word? I just, I don't know. Maybe. Is it? I think it would be hexagonal, I think.

Starting point is 01:27:32 It's hexagonal. Maybe. I would just thought you say hexagon. If something's hexagon, hexagon weights would be the same, right? It's hexagonal. I have to call them out. I've heard hexagonal for a second.

Starting point is 01:27:44 I'm like, you're not saying this. You should have looked it up before you're doing that. would be the same, right? It's hexagonal. I have to call him out. I've heard hexagonal for our own opinion. He should have looked it up before you're doing that. Now you now let's, oh, no, I'm right. Oh, no, no. hexagonal. Oh, I've got you back that time, so. Oh, or pertaining to a hexagonal. Whoa, a hexagonal is with A.

Starting point is 01:27:59 There it is. No, that's what I pronounced the wrong. Hexagonal, hexagonal. Hexagonal. Yeah, you. It's a hexagonal. It's you. You. That's the same word. It's like electronical. Yeah, same.

Starting point is 01:28:08 No, I don't make up a word. I mean, you can say it like that. Yeah, the pronunciation's wrong. Yeah, hold on. Let's see what. There's a sound there. You should put it up to the thing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:17 Let me see. Let me see. hexagonal. Oh, not even close. hexagonal. hexagonal. hexagonal. You can see how I pronounce it.

Starting point is 01:28:25 Yeah, I think they've done a great job as far as like getting outside the commercial. Like it was basically, you know, the backlash of like what that commercial type of gym had created. Like it created Globo Gym, you know, this was like CrossFit was the answer to that. I think that they went super extreme with that idea. And you know, it's brought positives and negatives. Like, you know, functional exercises, they've incorporated.

Starting point is 01:28:54 The whole thing is all functional. Like they don't even bench pressing more. Like it's like not a thing, right? So, you know, there's, it's definitely has like this, this positive impact as far as bringing good exercises back to popularity, but on top of that, they've also shit on specificity, which that's where I got angry,

Starting point is 01:29:14 because it was like this, like football teams are doing CrossFit wall. Yeah, like that, that, oh my God, that makes my skin crawl, because it's just not as effective. And it's like, and then the justification was always like this, this, this huge push of like, oh no, academia's got it all fucking wrong. And, you know, and then there was just no like critical, there was no dialogue back and

Starting point is 01:29:41 forth of like, well, can I be critical right now? Can I assess, you know, what you're programming? If that's like good, like is that something that's gonna apply towards this specific pursuit? Like no, it's all just super general. Now with early on they in they're changing by the way I don't know if you guys knew this or not someone messaged me the other day, but they're trying to separate the hardcore elite Training from the everyday. Thank God. And it should look nothing alike.

Starting point is 01:30:07 No. And I think that's very different than it should be like if some kid who came in who's never worked out before, like you want me to train like LeBron James, like no, you have no business training with LeBron. We're going to train basics and whatever. Right. I think some of the harm that they did, they glorified early on in Tensity, like hardcore to the point where there was this

Starting point is 01:30:28 like unofficial mascot for CrossFit early on, which was a clown throwing up. Uncle Rabdo. And he was a dialysis, too, right? They called him Uncle Rabdo. It was just like machine round. Rabdo's when you work out so hard that your muscles, you get so much muscle breakdown that your kidneys get clogged and you actually get kidney failure.

Starting point is 01:30:46 That's, they made a joke about that. So that was a bad thing. The, you know, putting Olympic lifts into circuit-based programming, that was stupid. You should never, ever do a highly complex, extremely, you know, technical lift, like a power clean or a snatch when you're doing a circuit or fatigue-based routine. You just don't do those to fatigue because your form breaks down a little bit

Starting point is 01:31:11 and then you're fucked. So that was pretty bad. They definitely, they definitely poked at the big gym business from a business standpoint. Because before CrossFit, you wanna make money in gyms, you need a big box. You need a big box. So the irony in you going that direction is, because I was going to play devil's advocate, because I thought you guys were going to stroke CrossFit off the whole time.

Starting point is 01:31:34 So I was counting on you to say it was hell no. But I do agree with Sal, though. I think it has done more good than harm. So before I rag on them, I just I want to say that for I could 100% agree because there wasn't anybody doing squats and deadlifts and other president. I mean, you're talking about a percent of the percent out there that we're doing that in the fitness space. And so, and I think that's so good. I think it's so good for everybody that we're doing this. Now that being said, I was talking to a trainer

Starting point is 01:32:03 who's like in his early 20s and looking to get in a management in one of these big box gyms. And he's telling me that, you know, CrossFit has exploded so much that there is a huge culture within the normal gyms like 24s and Planet Fitness and stuff that are modeling their workouts

Starting point is 01:32:21 after all these walks. So here's what I'm worried about is trainers in these big box gyms were already kind of shitty trainers, you know, that's normally where you get your first experiences in there, which I think is incredible for everybody. So it's not me talking about all by the way. I was, yeah, I know, I'm overgeneralization. I fall into that category too. So before you get fucking defensive, because I said that because you work at a big box gym, it's like, it's the truth. It's a great place to start, I think, for everybody. And so, you're not already at a very advanced trainer. Now you're taking these people through these

Starting point is 01:32:51 circuit-based routines. You're having them snatch and clean and fucking plios. And even if you're not doing that, you're modeling it after it because of your clients, you're letting your client dictate your programming because of something that's popular, because CrossFit has come so popular, people that are coming into, that don't wanna pay $180 a month for a membership at a CrossFit, they have a $10 a month plan of fitness

Starting point is 01:33:14 or a 24-of-fitness are coming in and they're asking to be taught, how do I train like that? Which is why we see these gyms now creating these little CrossFit type areas within them because they're trying to compete with that. And so I think it's feeding into the worst part of the culture where what we should have done was taking out unpacked, what has CrossFit done really good.

Starting point is 01:33:36 Like if I was still a manager within one of these facilities, would I be teaching my staff so you know all of you managers listening, I would be teaching my staff that is teaching this type of training to my clients is, listen, let's unpack what was really good and what CrossFit has brought to fitness. And let's start to implement some of that into our training, which would be like, hey, let's teach your people how to squat.

Starting point is 01:34:01 Let's make a real effort towards that and let's work towards adding that to all clients even if they say they can't or they don't want to. It's like that should be a goal of ours and if they can't do it right now. And so taking those things out of it that were so good versus the marketable shit, which everybody is chasing after, which is the intensity driven and the circuit based. They just got it wrong. What they did was, and I know what they did, you know, you have these big corporate gems and these massive, you know, boxes and they looked at the model and they said, oh, you know what's working. It's because there's a bunch of circuits

Starting point is 01:34:32 and everybody's getting really sweaty and sore and it's intense and that's what people want. And they completely miss the boat. Completely. Now, exercise standpoint, it's the effective exercises that was important with CrossFit, but here's the other piece that everybody fucking missed, okay? Fitness is, if you want it to be effective from a business standpoint, if you want to have a gym that is truly successful from a business standpoint, there's a lot of factors, but one of the factors is,

Starting point is 01:35:00 does it feel like you're walking into a community or does it feel like you're walking and you're working out by yourself? Makes a big fucking difference. And gyms used to be that community feel. In fact, one of the reasons why the gyms I managed were so successful, one of the reasons was I created that feel in my gym.

Starting point is 01:35:18 And I did it with my staff first because they're the ones that spread it. And the other way I did it is I would do events all the time in my gym. I'd have food in there, I'd have music, I'd have things going on, I'd talk to members, and people love that shit. And you know what CrossFit did really fucking well?

Starting point is 01:35:33 That, you go to, you ask anybody that works out in CrossFit and you ask them what their favorite thing about CrossFit is. It's community. It's the community. And Jim's forgot that shit. In fact, it got to be- That's also why it's such a cult too. That's right.

Starting point is 01:35:45 Because you can't, how you're gonna tell somebody who won is probably in the best shape of their life and others are training so fucking crazy. And then they've met friends, you know, that they now potentially have for life. Because it's like going to war, dude. You go to war every day, you know what I'm saying? Like what does everyone always say about anyone

Starting point is 01:36:00 they went to war with? They come back and like those are like brothers, you know what I'm saying? Like we are for lifelong brothers because of that experience. We both puke after that. war with, they come back and those are like brothers, you know what I'm saying? Like we are for lifelong brothers, because of that experience. We both puke after that way. They do, they grow up without our shoulders. They create a similar thing psychologically.

Starting point is 01:36:12 Like they create a very similar thing psychologically that you're going to battle a war to accomplish to get through this wad. And if you get through it, like only some of us survive and it's like we've got this brotherhood now. But there's also the community, like when you go into a good crossfit,

Starting point is 01:36:24 you see the trainers talking to the members, the members talking to each other. You don't, you rarely see members with headphones on, doing their own thing. I don't think they do ever. Yeah, right, right. And that, that is powerful. I mean, I would get more,

Starting point is 01:36:37 the gyms I would run, you know, after short period of time would get more workouts and I'd have better retention as a result of that, creating that vibe. And that's how it started. I mean, we just got back from the mecca, right? The Venice and you could see like what the gym used to look like when it first started.

Starting point is 01:36:53 It was this little hole in the wall that probably had one or two speakers somewhere in there if at all, if there was even speakers in there. And everybody, and you've seen everyone seeing the movie before with Arnold. It's like they're pumping iron, right? They're all they're doing is talking to each other. Everyone's, you guys yelling across the gym

Starting point is 01:37:12 at Arnold doing squats on the other side. Like there was this great community. And then what happened? You know, it became very marketable. And there was money. And now there became an industry back then it wasn't an industry. You know, there was a couple gyms, it was like a small thing

Starting point is 01:37:27 that people did, and then what ended up happening was this thing turned into something big, and then here comes big money, big money comes in, finds a way to exploit it, to grow it. We were a part of that movement, right? We were a part of the exploiting process. At that time, we were full to think that this is how it's supposed to be looking back and reflecting now that we are part of this, you know, exploiting the, you know,

Starting point is 01:37:49 people's emotions and feelings to want to be in shape, to want to be like Arnold. And so that's what you see. And now it's coming full circle. Yeah. It's coming back the other direction. I think we can, we've done this actually. We've been in many gyms together. There's a few things that we look at, okay? But for sure, the three of us, we walk into a gym and we can tell within 10, 15 minutes if it's a successful gym or not. And one of them, one of the factors, some of the factors are the sales staff, the front desk,

Starting point is 01:38:18 do they have systems, all that other stuff, right? All that business stuff. But the other thing is the vibe in the gym. I'll walk into a gym and I'll feel it right away and be like, oh, this gym's not successful. Or this gym is that you can feel it and it's that community, it's that culture that you create within your facility.

Starting point is 01:38:34 You know, big text gym, you know, I'm not talking about all any other factor, not the business side of that stuff, but the culture in the gym they've got, you walk in, you can see people talking which are the working together, the owner was talking to the members and you can feel that culture. And that's only one factor, it's not all of them. But it's an important factor. And that's something that CrossFit nailed down.

Starting point is 01:38:53 And that's something that the big box gyms. And of course, the staff makes a big difference. But we weren't taught this. This is just something that I did. It wasn't like it came down for management. This was my own flavor. That's something that the Big Box gyms forgot. Go to a Big Box gym now. Walk into your typical, you know, whatever, 24 fitness, LA fitness or whatever, plan of fitness. Walk in there and members are in there by themselves.

Starting point is 01:39:15 All by themselves. You get their headphones on, nobody's looking at each other, whatever. You go into some other gyms with a different culture, you see people jumping in between sets. You know, people don't even know with that, that etiquette anymore. Like you go into some other gyms with a different culture, you see people jumping in between sets. You know, people don't even know with that etiquette anymore. Like you go into a big box gym and someone's on a machine, you can walk up to them and say,

Starting point is 01:39:31 hey, can I jump in? They'll probably look at you like you're crazy. What does he mean, jump in? Yeah, you know? You're gonna jump me? Yeah. No, in a good culture of a gym, people know exactly what's going on.

Starting point is 01:39:41 Oh yeah, absolutely. Go ahead and jump in. I'll help you rack the weights or whatever. Like it's a totally different vibe and Crossfit got that right. And I unfortunately, I don't think the rest of fitness industry picked up on that. I really don't. But they did pick up on the circuits and shit like that, which is what it's all that shit. Next question is from Michelle Salvis. I'm trying to lose 30 pounds of baby weight at 18 months postpartum. A trainer at my small box gym recommends higher reps over heavier weight during class style workouts.

Starting point is 01:40:11 I prefer building strength with heavier weights, but should I take his advice? No, yeah, no. Well, probably not. Unless you're like a, unless you train like a power lift for forever, in which case the... Right, yeah, I know that. Higher reps, that would be the only scenario. That would be the depends, right? So it would be, well, depends if you were,

Starting point is 01:40:28 you know, because she didn't give us that. Like if you had just, if you've been training in that three to five rep range for the last three, six, or whatever time, months, then absolutely that trainer could be giving you great advice that maybe you should do a more, you know, higher rep range or a circuit base or shorter rest periods, like you could probably benefit from that if that's how you, if you've been giving yourself long rest periods and training really, really heavy,

Starting point is 01:40:53 but more than likely, at least in my experience, most especially postpartum. Right. There probably didn't work out for a little while or whatever. Now, here's the deal. Like the high reps, class style workouts, burn more calories per time being done. In other words, one hour of high rep circuit style or class style workouts will burn more total calories than an hour of traditional strength training

Starting point is 01:41:17 with heavier weights. But that's not the whole picture. That's actually just part of the picture. And it's not that many more calories. You're looking at the difference of maybe, you know, 400 calories and 250, okay? Not a huge difference. The other part of the equation that's very important is how are they going to affect your metabolism and how your metabolism is going to affect your total calorie burn on a everyday basis.

Starting point is 01:41:41 You would rather have a faster metabolism and a body that is prioritizing strength over a body that's trying to become efficient because you're burning a ton of calories with lots of endurance style training. You're gonna you'll end up screening yourself if you do that all the time with where you'll get this metabolic adaptation where your metabolism starts to slow down. Nice to love, I used to love doing this with women where they come in and in and I'd say, no, we're gonna focus on strength, we're gonna focus on traditional resistance training, and you're not gonna lose a ton of weight initially,

Starting point is 01:42:12 but watch what happens, give us a few months and watch what happens, and the people that would stick with it, sure enough, they'd come to me and be like, I feel like the weight's fallen off me. I'm not even doing anything crazy, and my body's just getting leaner, and I tell them, like your metabolism is speeding up. Your hormones are balancing.

Starting point is 01:42:26 I like this is exactly what you want to do with your training. Especially if you're being fed. I think a mistake that some of these people get when they're trying to lose 30 pounds or more is the initial get into your weight training, whatever it is, whether it be low reps or sort of your calories. I think cut your calories.

Starting point is 01:42:41 I would make you keep your calories. If I want you fed, if you're hungry, I want you fed right now, and then I'm going to start strength training with you at the beginning. Our goal at the first month may not be to lose any weight whatsoever. We're going to build some muscle. I promise you, if you haven't been lifting weights, and I put you in a MAP Santa Ballad phase one type of routine where you're lifting that three to five rep range, you're going to

Starting point is 01:43:03 build some muscle. And so, at the end of the month, we're maybe a pound lighter or the same even, or even a pound up, like we're kicking ass in my opinion, because then I know that for sure, you're gonna be building muscle if you're feeding the body, and you're also giving it a stimulus like that. The big mistake I see people make is they may be giving the right stimulus,

Starting point is 01:43:23 but then they're starving their body because they're trying to race to that losing that 30 pounds. So don't make that mistake. It's so hard to, and I've seen both sides of this. I would have, I would see people in the gym who were the cardio bunny, you know, lots of reps, class style workouts, and then they get pregnant and they try and keep it up. And they, they weren't overweight, but they weren't super lean. They were just kind of maintaining their health. And then they'd have the baby and then afterwards they gain the weight. And but they weren't super lean. They were just kind of maintaining their health, and then they'd have the baby, and then afterwards they gained the weight, and then they'd try that same approach,

Starting point is 01:43:48 and I would just watch them. It would just be this uphill, difficult battle of trying to spend. It's an expensive wheel. Yeah, trying to spurn tons of calories constantly over and over again, especially after having a baby. Boy, that's difficult. And then on the other end of the spectrum,

Starting point is 01:44:02 I would see people that would come in who were like these women who'd like to lift weights, and they have these very sculpted bodies because they always lifted weights, and then they would get pregnant, and they would bounce back so fast. Yeah. Like, so, so fast.

Starting point is 01:44:13 We have members in our forum who take videos of themselves working out, like, two months or something like that, post-baby, and they look phenomenal, and they were like hard, you hard, heavy into the resistance training. Makes a tremendous, tremendous difference. I can't stress it enough. Yeah, at the end of the day, when you have a solid frame

Starting point is 01:44:32 that you've built muscle upon, that's where like turning the calorie burn kind of sequence on and off, that's where it all starts to kind of play out the way you want. But like going through the process of building the muscle and getting a nice foundation established is so crucial. Allow yourself to go through that process. It's not this race right out of the gates.

Starting point is 01:44:56 I have to shed, shed, shed, shed, shed, shed, which is such a trap. That's something like, my wife even went through that the second because the workouts were different going into our second kid. And it's just, it's one of those things like it, you get this panic about it, you know, and like, I understand it because, you know, having to deal with that mindset, it's, it's in side of a lot of us, like we want to get to that goal, we want to get to that and smash it up, but you're going to set yourself up for more problems down the road. Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's, it's just traditional resistance training is one of the best things

Starting point is 01:45:32 you could do in the context of modern life to maintain a lean body because it speeds up your metabolism better than anything. And you know, how often have you guys heard this from women like, oh my God, me and my husband go on a diet and I lose three pounds and he loses just 10 pounds right away. Well, he's got more muscle. Right. He's got a lot more muscle.

Starting point is 01:45:55 This is why men, you know, this is why that stereotype or that, you know, that doesn't get talked about. That's why it exists. Is that guys tend to have more muscle. And when guys go to workout, they're less likely to do the tons of cardio. And when women go to workout, and that's just because we've been advertised differently, that's all it is.

Starting point is 01:46:13 It's just, it's less acceptable for women to go lift weights for their workout than it is for them to go take a class, some type of a robys class or a dance class or something like that. And the opposite for men, it's less likely, less acceptable for a man to go take a class, some type of a robys class or a dance class or something like that. And the opposite for men, it's less likely, you know, less acceptable for a man to go take a bunch of classes than for him to be like, oh, I'm just going to go to the gym and lift some weights. It's that resistance strain that makes the big difference, especially, especially post part of them because you lose a lot of muscle and strength.

Starting point is 01:46:41 You know how we're going to know when that's changed, when you walk into a gym and they have two to three weight room floors. Yes. You know that has it still the opposite. It's still the opposite. Yeah, you can double cardio. You can, you go in at five o'clock at night and to any gym across the country right now,

Starting point is 01:46:58 and every piece of equipment is being used. Cardio? Yeah, being used. And there's, so that means there's probably double to triple the amount of people doing cardio than there is in the gym, lifting weights. And so I think when that, that's when I feel like when our message will have

Starting point is 01:47:13 resonated with the industry long enough, will you start to see the gyms having to respond to that going holy fuck like, there's a lot of demand for free weights. Well, there's always treadmill's open because we have fucking 90 of them. You know what I'm saying? Like there's a 120 people in here.

Starting point is 01:47:29 You know what I'm saying? 90 of them are on these treadmills. It's like when we no longer have a need for 90 treadmills in our gym and we need two to three to four weight floors or three to four to five sets of every weight of dumbbell. Like that's when you know she's- Just gonna, we're coaching this one client who was a long distance,

Starting point is 01:47:47 she was in endurance, she liked to do the running, she liked to run a lot, and she wanted to lose body fat, and she had just had a baby, and she would send me her food logs, and she was running anywhere, I think she was running between 12 to 17 miles a week, so decent amount of running, not a super ton, but decent amount of running, not a super ton, but decent amount of running. And this woman, first off, she had the skinny fat, right?

Starting point is 01:48:10 So she wasn't heavy, but she wasn't very sculpted or whatever, and she that was her big issue. She wanted to tighten up her body. She looked exhausted all the time, and that was another issue she had, but she was still doing her running. She'd send me her food logs, and this woman was barely consuming 1300 calories a day.

Starting point is 01:48:26 You know, running 17 fucking miles or 12 to 17 miles a week. And I told her, I'm like, listen, here's the deal. Like, we gotta switch things up, and it's gonna take a little while, but your two options are run twice as much, eat less, or we speed up your metabolism. And we know what the other ones get, like, do you really think that's gonna be sustainable,

Starting point is 01:48:44 especially now with two kids and so we had to like reverse out of it and increase her protein and slowly increase her calories and have her focus on resistance training but her body started changing and she started tripping out and it was so crazy to her because and I've seen this so many times it's a trip because it's like this is what they feel like oh my god I'm doing so much less work by my body responding so well. It feels like magic and it's like no, you were just spinning your tires in the dirt before. You were literally trying to dig a ditch with a spoon and I've now handed

Starting point is 01:49:15 you a fucking backhoe and you're tripping over how much faster you're progressing but it's just because we're just more effective working with your body. That's it. And with that, look, a lot of people don't realize that we're all on Instagram where you can actually find our personal pages with different information. You can find our personal flavors on Instagram. My page is Mind Pump Sal, Adam is Mind Pump Adam, and Justin is Mind Pump Justin. Go check us out. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy,

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