Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 779: Good Mornings vs Deadlifts, How Vasectomies Affect Sex Drive, Hormones & Cancer, How Your Childhood Shapes the Rest of Your Life & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:45 More people are buying it. No, I'll never be finding that it works. Members don't. We are sponsored by Organify. If you go to OrganifyShop.com, enter the code MindPump. We've actually hooked up MindPump listeners with an exclusive discount. Then we talk about Donald Trump's NFL,

Starting point is 00:01:00 National Anthem, comments. Oh my. The guy can't keep his mouth. He just hates filters. Fuck. Trump. No filter. Shut up.

Starting point is 00:01:12 Then we talk about the monk debates. This is actually an interesting thing. This was really cool, dude. Yeah, very interesting channel on YouTube. She go check it out. Controversial topics get debated by intelligent individuals. We talk about the Ob's and Netflix. I guess they're friends now. What's going on there? Yeah, Obama and Netflix and in chilling.

Starting point is 00:01:30 They all chilled together. Are they having sex? I don't know. Then we talked about, so we called that Operation Mockingbird and propaganda, little conspiracy theory for you. Put on your tinfoil hat. Yeah. We talked about the California grounds keepers lawsuit against Mon Santo. Uh-oh. Somebody has been playing fair. This could be a big one.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Let's hope that hurts him a little. This could be massive or not, like Justin's glutes. Then we talked about Morgan Freeman. Oh, this one hurt my heart. He's being accused of inappropriate behavior. Yeah. Fuck. Shinkard Dimash.

Starting point is 00:02:08 Damn it. First in Robin Hood. First Cosby and now, man. Then we talked about the pregnancy eating for two myth. Yes, you are eating for two. But it's not like you're really eating for two adults so it's like you're eating for somebody that he needs a hundred calories.

Starting point is 00:02:24 And it's a really tiny person. Let's be honest. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, what are our thoughts on vasectomies? Do they affect sex drive hormones? Is there a connection between them? That might have my balls go up inside my stomach.

Starting point is 00:02:41 And prostate cancer, you're not gonna need them very long. Yeah, I'm gonna have to get rid of it. Don't worry. Yeah. Can't you schedule the three times you have sex a month around the other day? Oh, that was a low blow. Wow.

Starting point is 00:02:52 That was a low blow. No, I responded to that. That was a low blow. Next question. Not like a bisectomy. That's a real low blow. Wow. Next question was, why do we believe so many poor thought

Starting point is 00:03:06 and behavior patterns in adulthood are rooted in childhood? Does it have that big of an effect on how we are as adults? Or, or, yeah. Definitely. And next question, what's the difference between the two exercises, good mornings and dead deadlifts both work the posterior chain. Good question. Which one's better, which one's worse,

Starting point is 00:03:29 which one do we like the most? A good morning. And finally, look, this person asking the question has a normal job, whatever the fuck that means. Does that mean that they're lame? For some reason they have the impression that we think people are lame. They're lame, bro.

Starting point is 00:03:44 Normal jobs, you know what I mean? Yeah, so working. Does that mean that they're lame? For some reason they have the impression that we think people are lame. We should. We should. We should. We should. We should. Yeah, so working. Find out what we think about that in that part of this episode. Also, this month, get ready for the summer.

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Starting point is 00:06:40 and you're right. Uh-oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is weird, don't be recording this. I'm a recording duck. So I Uh oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is weird, are we recording this? Time stamp this. Are we recording Doug? So I guess we'll have audience now too, whatever we don't care, right? So I watched the numbers and the commission checks

Starting point is 00:06:53 come in and everything like that. And organify cells are through the roof this past week. And, oh wow, that's the seminal volume is kicking in, huh? The organify commercials. They don't call me the best closer for nothing. Ah! Like, yeah, there you go. I give you a little inch.

Starting point is 00:07:08 You want to take a bite out like there. You open up the gates, buddy. Not to get all four inches. You know what? You know what it, no, no. That's a massive. The reason why I said that in the first place, because I love reading about the stuff that we take.

Starting point is 00:07:20 And I do take a lot of the green juice. It's one of my favorite products for more GANIFI in the Ashruganda. And I read this article on how Ashruganda increases seminal volume and I thought I was fucking hilarious and I kept doing research and it was like consistent. That's why I brought it up. But hey dude, for whatever reason,

Starting point is 00:07:38 people like that, you know? Guys like that? Hey, why not? I'm rolls like it too. Why not? Why not? You know what I'm saying. You see, uh, it's an announcement. You guys see our boy, uh, Donald Trump commenting on the NFL.

Starting point is 00:07:51 It's going to, so no, let me back you up a little bit. If you don't know, uh, what happened last, what guy was last year, at the beginning of last year, whatever with Colin Kaepernick, he decided to remember that he, he kneeled during the national anthem or whatever, right? So that created this whole ordeal and it's been going on since then. It's been back and forth and back and forth and there's all this shit going on. Again, you know, at the end of the day, whether it was a good idea, bad idea, right or wrong, doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:08:20 It's a choice. At the end of the day, it's now, you know, we've turned it into something that's dividing all of us, which I think is just ridiculous. And the irony of it is this protest is supposed to try, it's supposed to be about equality and bringing us all together when in reality all it's really done is driven a stake between a lot of us and caused. I don't think it's brought any good attention to any of this stuff. Well, you know what it did is it made people on one hand say, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:45 were against police brutality, which, I don't know anybody that's pro police brutality. So, you know, I mean, were against it. And then on the other hand, you have people saying, hey, you're against America and you're against the cops. And then there's people on the other side saying, all cops are bad and everybody's racist and the other side people are saying,

Starting point is 00:09:04 hey, you know, I know people who are good and we're not, and it's like, that's not the point, man. It's not the point at all. I will say this, I don't think what Colin did was a smart career move, which I think is obvious, but the dude is being peaceful about his protest and you know, and I wish everybody had the balls to do something like that and just to be,

Starting point is 00:09:24 whatever your protest is, so you have to appreciate that. But the fans didn't like it. I'm kind of, I'm back, well, no, some did, you know, I'm back and forth on like, okay, so what happened was, so now they have, now they've made it aid like, and it was already in the books, like it was already something that you're supposed to do as your job title,

Starting point is 00:09:42 of being a player, you come out to the national anthem and you stand for national anthem. Do you know why? Huh? Do you know why they have to do as your job title, of being a player, you come out to the national anthem and you stand for the national anthem. Do you know why? Huh? Do you know why they have to do that? That was a deal they made with the military. Oh, I didn't know. Yeah, they're getting, Dana Phil gets paid.

Starting point is 00:09:54 If I'm not mistaken, someone correct me if I'm wrong. So listen, or if I'm wrong, let me know. But I do remember reading that this was a deal. Like, because that makes sense to me. Yeah. And I see, here's the thing though, is that any different than us being sponsored by Organifi? You know what I'm saying? It's our responsibility to, yeah, we use it,

Starting point is 00:10:13 yeah, we've decided to partner with companies that we believe in, but part of that deal is that we have to bring it up and talk about it. So part of the NFL is deal with the military, okay, we're funding or we're doing, we're supporting. So therefore, the way you can show support is by having your employees, IE, the NFL players stand during the national anthem. What I think is funny is that we turn it into this whole free speech and the, you know, it's a black, white thing, it's equality thing, it's all this.

Starting point is 00:10:42 It's actually pretty simple. It's a company that's requiring you to do something. You decide not to, totally freely, totally voluntarily, totally up to you. The company also has the... Dericure, to be like, hey, you're not gonna do it one. And you can go work someone else and that's fine. That's right.

Starting point is 00:10:59 We're just the biggest, you know, show in town. Yeah. Yeah, see the pent Pentagon did pay the end. That's what's interesting about that is how we don't realize how much propaganda is put out there to promote patriotism and nationalism so that people, because we have a voluntary military force, and when people feel good about America, you get more people enrolling when they feel bad about it, you get less people in there. Dude, we've done, you know it's an example of how well of a job we've done, is that camouflage

Starting point is 00:11:29 is an actual fucking style. I'm, you're so true. Right. Camouflage is a fashion state. I'm about to choose. Right. Exactly. You just bought a pair of shoes that are camouflage.

Starting point is 00:11:39 That is how well that we have to, so that we have, so well, we have sold this to you that we are how fucking wearing camouflage. You know, if you'd make a movie, that's military based. They sold it well. Yeah, it's all well. We have sold this to you that we're out fucking wearing camouflage. You know, if you'd make a movie that's military based, like if you're showing like jets and tanks and stuff like that, you can actually get funding from the military and they will let you use some of their stuff in your movie so long as you paint them in a patriotic light.

Starting point is 00:12:02 Oh, wow. So if you're doing a movie that's total anti-US, anti whatever, you can do it, you're free to do that. They're just not gonna get any funding or whatever. Yeah, can you help from us? No, no, no, how crazy is that? Yeah, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:12:14 And then same. So now they came out, made an official rule that they can be fine. And of course, here's the thing about Donald Trump. And I'm glad I'm bringing this up right now because I think a lot of times people think they were so pro Donald on some of the things that he's done.

Starting point is 00:12:27 I definitely think the way he explained it was really ridiculous. Right. Yeah, I think he said, I'm not all right with the way he explained it. Yeah, yeah, no, he was just, what did he say? Well, you basically just said, you can get out of our, you know, if you don't want to have a stamp in it.

Starting point is 00:12:41 You still like speak English, you're getting the fuck out of here kind of like, you know, like old school kind of talk, you know, like, don't want to stay in the middle, like speak English, you're getting the fuck out of here, kind of like, you know, like old school kind of talk, you know, like, I don't know. I was not insensitive, but, you know, I was having this conversation yesterday with Jessica because we were watching the monk debates. Have you guys seen this? I sent you a link at him. It's the monk debates.

Starting point is 00:13:00 The MUNK debates. It's this channel, and I guess they've been around for a long time. The dark web? No, no, no, no. MUNK debates, it's this channel, and I guess they've been around for a long time. But Dark Web? No, no, no, no. Well, you have the Dark Web intellectuals on it or whatever, but it's this channel I found on YouTube where they'll do very controversial subjects and they'll have opposing views

Starting point is 00:13:17 and they'll have representatives from each view that's very intelligent. So they're not gonna pick like an idiot from one side and a smart guy from a, it's a smart guy from one side, smart person from another side arguing and debating in a civil manner. And what I love about it is, first off, it's totally a new media thing. This would never exist in old media because it's very objective, nonbiased. They let people speak. There's certain rules you have to follow. And here's my favorite part at the beginning of the poll

Starting point is 00:13:46 Or at the beginning of the debate they asked the audience How many of you agree with this side? How many of you agree with this other side? And they'll get the percentages at the end of the debate. Oh, how cool. Yeah at the end of the debate The winner is the one that was able to sway the other side more So like I watched when yesterday that was called political correctness or progress. And on one side, you had like the, you had what's his name, Michael Dyson, Michelle Goldberg on the other side, you had Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson.

Starting point is 00:14:15 And at the beginning of the debate, they said, which side are you on to the audience? Now, more people were on the side of Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson in terms of political correctness. It's gone a little crazy and you know, we think this is not progress at this point. And so the split was something like 30, 70% at the end though, the people that were on the side of Fry and Peterson went up 6% so they won the poll. And I like the way they do that because it's not like who has more people on each side.

Starting point is 00:14:42 It's who can convince the other side more effectively. So they got 6% over the other. But anyway, there's all kinds of debates on this. There was one where it was like, is religion a positive force or whatever. And on one side, they had like a very prominent atheist on the other side, they had, I forgot who it was. I think it was, I don't remember who it was,

Starting point is 00:15:02 but it's very intelligent debates. So we were having this conversation. I love to go see one of these live. I wanna be on one of these motherfuckers one day. I'm not nowhere near ready to do something like that, but I would love it. Anyhow, so the, and they talk about very controversial subjects, like gender or you know, feminism or whatever,

Starting point is 00:15:21 things that people don't wanna touch, abortion, whatever. So I think it's fascinating. I think stuff like this is going to explode. But I was having this conversation with Jessica and I was like, you know, this whole like, this extreme political correctness, like vibe that's been happening where, you know, you had this, when I, when I remember when Bush was in office, people thought I was a hardcore liberal. And at the time, I was pro-liberty, just like I am now.

Starting point is 00:15:46 But people thought I was a liberal because Bush, you know, he pushed the Patriot Act, which was spying on Americans. He went into Iraq when we shouldn't have. You know, at the time, Republicans were super pro-drug war, like make stronger laws and throw people in jail. So I fought against all that shit as much as I possibly could and I marched for gay marriage

Starting point is 00:16:06 and all that because at the time everybody was against gay marriage but especially the conservatives. And then Obama comes in office and who I voted for the first time by the way, who and then he just went crazy and became and started promoting super kind of socialist ideals and big, super big government and he was voting for the things that he railed against

Starting point is 00:16:26 Bush for. So then I was against him quite a bit and people like, Oh, you're super conservative. I'm like, no, no, no, here's a deal. Like, I'm very consistent with my views. But my point is with this is that whole movement, I'll give you a good example, gay marriage, gay marriage in 2008, even Obama campaigned against that nobody supported it. And when the polls showed that American supported it, of course the politicians jumped on board

Starting point is 00:16:47 because they don't stand on principle, they only fucking try to get elected. Yeah, it's popular. Yeah, it's bullshit. But you know, gay marriage gets passed rightly so. That was, I was always very pro like, like if the government's gonna issue a license for marriage which I think is stupid to begin with,

Starting point is 00:17:01 but if they're going to, they should, it's a license from the government, which means two adults who are voluntarily entering into it should be able to do it, man, woman, whatever. It doesn't matter. But then you have a case where people are gonna go to a baker and say, hey, bake me a waiting cake for my gay wedding and the guy says, why don't you?

Starting point is 00:17:20 And they sue him. And then I'm like, wait a minute, dude, this is going too far. That's his business and he's an asshole. I think he's stupid for not baking your cake, and we should definitely boycott and put pressure on him, but making a law against that, this is going a little too far, and it started pushing so hard

Starting point is 00:17:36 where the reaction was Donald Trump. He's totally the fucking, he's like the opposite mirror image of the extreme ridiculousness that you see with this crazy political correctness movement and you know, like these, you know, what they'll call the radical left. Yeah, how people can't remove their emotions

Starting point is 00:17:56 and just kind of like look at that as what it is. Like so if I'm a business owner and I have specific views like, you know, that's my opinion, that's my right as an American, you know, just like anybody else's rights. But yeah, like you said, you can boycott the shit out of them. You'll suffer. And blackball, yeah, they're not gonna do good in business. And rightly so.

Starting point is 00:18:16 But I think you're an asshole if you're right. If you base that on someone's, you know, race or sex or whatever, I think you're an idiot, as a business person. Well, don't you think it's your an Well, don't you think the idea is the same as the idea behind that or trying to stop that is like the same as segregation was? Yep, it is, but here's the difference. The civil rights movement was necessary

Starting point is 00:18:37 and it wasn't necessary to eliminate racism. It was necessary to reverse government discrimination. Remember, at the time, you had government laws that segregated people. You know what I mean? You had water fountains in schools and places that were government properties that were the ones segregating the most. They were the one. Remember businesses, and of course, at the time, they were definitely racist businesses,

Starting point is 00:19:02 but businesses had to pay the consequence of, especially today, and you got to look at the time, there were definitely racist businesses, but businesses had to, they pay the consequence of, especially today, and you gotta look at the context too. It's 2018, good luck being a successful business and being a racist, a sexist, or a bigot. Like good luck. You might be able to succeed in your little town and have your little tiny business. You ain't gonna become a national business at all,

Starting point is 00:19:21 and if you're a big enough asshole with things like Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, social media, whatever, it's not hard for me to make it hard for you to conduct business if you're an asshole, and that's the way it should be. It should be social pressures, but at the end of the day, look, if I have a house, if I own my house, right, let's say, and I don't wanna let you in my house

Starting point is 00:19:40 because I don't like your face, you know, let's forget your race and your sex. Let's say I just look at you and I'm like, hey, I don't like your face, you got a mustache, and you got stupid your sex. Let's say I just look at you and I'm like, hey, I don't like your face, you got a mustache, and you got a stupid looking nose. I'm an asshole. You know, but it's my house. You know, what are you gonna do?

Starting point is 00:19:50 Make a law that says I have to let you in my own house. So I'm wrong with your face. Yeah, so this Donald Trump and his ridiculousness was some of the stuff that he says. And it's a react, it's a fucking wrench that's the throwing at the other side. National is the thing. It's, yeah, it's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:20:07 It's like, come on man, really you're gonna make a big deal about this fucking NFL thing and, you know, he's peacefully protesting. He has the right to protest. Yeah, you can't fucking take that away. No, I agree, I think you absolutely, just as equally the employer can say. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:20:21 I don't value as an employee enough. A double sided coin. I was listening to the radio this morning and they were talking about like, well, I just, I think the NFL should be able to do what they want with it. And honestly, I'm gonna do differently for player. Like, I don't value Colin Kaepernick

Starting point is 00:20:36 as much as I value Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers decided, fuck, and take a knee. I might listen. I might, and we might have a conversation around it. Well, Colin Kaepernick, you might lose your job over that because I don't think you're adding that much value to my fucking team.

Starting point is 00:20:48 See you later, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, why do you think the NFL made the fine, the whole fine thing? Right. I think they did that because the consumers of the NFL have spoken. And they're saying, we don't want politics and football, we don't

Starting point is 00:21:05 really care. Yeah. You know, don't do that. We're not going to lot. You're seeing it a lot lately. And like, in the Oscars. And I mean, there's just, I think that it's interesting because there is like a lot of eyes and views. And so it's like, it seems like a good opportunity to like have a message and put it out there and like get, but it's just like, as a consumer, you're like, oh, here we go. We're gonna politicize an entertaining thing that I'm watching, shit. And I've done a lot of thinking about Colin Kaepernick

Starting point is 00:21:36 and celebrities tend to get on my fucking nerves when they speak out about certain things, mainly because they're massive hypocrites. Most of them are massive hypocrites. Colin Kaepernick on the other side, on the other hand, has taken a massive hit in his paycheck and his career during the arguably the best years of his competitive life.

Starting point is 00:21:57 So I respect him for that. What I don't respect are the celebrities who like gun control, we need to ban all guns. Meanwhile, they have bodyguards with guns surrounding them. It's like, well, it's easy for you to say because you got bodyguards with guns protecting your fucking ass. And then, you know, what about the single parent that lives in a shitty neighborhood

Starting point is 00:22:16 who feels like they're gonna get robbed or whatever, or the woman who got raped and now she wants to carry a gun to make herself feel safe. Right. Like, there's a big difference there. But Colin, he's paying the price. He's paying the price for his views. And so he can write a book later on.

Starting point is 00:22:28 Yeah. His film, make my America's already proven that's the model right there. You can kill your wife and then write a book later on and make it. Oh my gosh. Okay, did that. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:22:38 That was the reference there. Yeah, it's right, dude. Yeah, this one fucked up. How the NFL fucked me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. And then it's a good point. It is.

Starting point is 00:22:46 That's why it's, I mean, when, I don't know, man, all the attention that he's getting from it, is it like maybe his NFL career was done anyways and going out with a bang like this now, give some another platform to, to sell a book or to do something else. Like, I don't know. I, but I'm with Justin on like,

Starting point is 00:23:02 I watch football, the watch football. I'm watching fucking football. Oh, fucking tune into CNN. We all just stop with the shit with Justin on like, I watch football, the watch football. I'm watching fucking football. Oh, fucking tune into CNN. We all just stop with the shit. Like, when you watch football, Fox News, if I wanna hear fucking bullshit, Paul, it's so fun. Well, even then, it's like, if you're so like,

Starting point is 00:23:13 like, don't like, put the cameras on it, you know, like, whatever, if like you're so like, what, like, they're just stirring it back up and trying to create controversy. And it's just like, I don't know, man, like, I just wanna watch football. I know. I like, I don't know, man, I just wanna watch football. Yeah, I know. I don't wanna watch the game.

Starting point is 00:23:28 Yeah, I get like that a lot of times too and I'm watching something and I'm like, all right, dude. Yeah, I know you're gonna be feeling important. Yeah, that's enough. But it is better than like, remember when everybody's protesting on like freeways and like blocking shit.

Starting point is 00:23:41 Yeah, did chat themselves like, come on. Like that's where it's where it's dangerous. This country has a long history of protest and the most successful protest movements have always been peaceful, civil disobedience. That's the winning track record because what happens when you're violent and angry or you destroy property is you get a strong reaction.

Starting point is 00:24:11 If you're protesting against, let's say there's a people who, there's a bunch of businesses that don't wanna serve homosexuals or gay men or lesbian women or trans-xuals. And you're protesting against them and you destroy their property or you're trying to enact laws against them.

Starting point is 00:24:33 You're gonna get a strong reaction. And then you're gonna get people like me who I'm being forced to defend them. I don't agree with them, but I have to defend that you're being violent against them. And you end up losing. Now if you do it peacefully You you fucking went more with the king prove that yeah, man. You prove that model. Yeah, very well

Starting point is 00:24:51 I mean, it's it's a time-tested method that works. I mean, it's it's powerful. I was watching this talk by What's his name? He's this he's up. He's that priest. I told you guys about brilliant guy. I can't remember his name And you're ship something. Bishop Baron. And he was talking about how what it means to turn the other cheek. And he said, it doesn't mean you run away in fear.

Starting point is 00:25:13 It means if you get hit, you turn your face and you say, go ahead and do that again. Reflect the other to the other person your own terrible violence. Like imagine if you react and rage against someone and you throw something or you hit them and they just stand there and they don't react to you. They don't show you anger or whatever.

Starting point is 00:25:31 They let you reflect and try that again. Now you may get that may cause some problems, but again, look at how Martin Luther King did that in when they would do this peaceful protest and the police would be violent against them and that shit got caught on camera, started a national movement. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:25:49 So that's really the way to do it. And so when I see people peacefully protest, even if I disagree with them, I respect and appreciate it. Takes a lot of courage, takes a lot of strength, and control, and I see people who really actually care about what they're saying that they care about. Did either of you get a chance to look at the post that somebody did on our forum regarding Netflix?

Starting point is 00:26:12 No, what's going on there? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, it was something about behind the scenes with Obama, some motivation there. What was that all about? Are they working with Netflix or something like that? Well, somebody had posted on the forum just the strategy that they are trying to do, man. I'm trying to find it for us right now, so we can look at it.

Starting point is 00:26:32 I thought for sure that you had read it. I didn't know that I was just conspiracy theory. I do know that they're working, that they're somehow gonna be putting together programming or something like that with Netflix. So, the idea behind the article, whatever they were saying, that the strategy behind Netflix is just,

Starting point is 00:26:48 and they're getting all this backing and funding to grow and build this huge massive network. And then eventually what's gonna happen is we're gonna get fed a bunch of this propaganda within it. It says the headline I'm reading is, the Obama's will be on and off camera in unique Netflix deal.

Starting point is 00:27:06 So they're signing a deal to produce shows. Now, the obviously what's gonna happen with these shows is they're going to try and push some kind of a narrative, which you would expect from politicians or. Oh, different than the What's Your Health or anything else. Right, yeah. It's already on there, exactly, there's like different motivations

Starting point is 00:27:28 all over the place. I think it, yeah, whatever, like if they have a motivation and want you, yeah, exactly, don't watch it, or another one that kind of serves you better, I'm sure they're gonna allow that on the platform too. I prefer to, I love watching stuff like that because it lets me see the best arguments of every side

Starting point is 00:27:50 and then I can make a better, it helps me make a better decision. Many times I watch, I'm like, are you kidding me? This is so terribly skewed. But sometimes I make a good point and it makes me think, and so I implore, if you're listening in your hardcore conservative, whatever they do, go watch, and so I implore like, if you're listening to your hardcore conservative, like go, whatever they do, go watch it and see. Break it down.

Starting point is 00:28:09 Yeah, break it down and see what the thought process is. I think the people that are afraid, are afraid that where it's gonna be in the next 10 years when it's like, you know, will it eventually look just like a, you know, CNN or a Fox News channel, or it's like eventually super motivated just from one angle. Yes, like I mean maybe right now there's like a lot of variety and there's it sprinkled in there

Starting point is 00:28:31 But you know fast forward 10 15 years. Well, that would be unfortunate I mean, I would hope that they would allow you know like multiple Opinions and different like agendas, you know within their platform. They're just a platform You know like I that would suck if they became like a Fox News or like a CNN or like something that was slanted. Well, don't you predict that that's how, I mean, don't you think that that's how

Starting point is 00:28:53 that probably happened for Fox and CNN and so that, I mean, I'm sure that when it first started as a channel, it wasn't a bunch of like hardcore conservatives to get together and say like, let's make a conservative channel. They probably made a channel and then conservative news used to be. Yeah, news used to be reporting. Right. And so what happened, what happened with news is, and news is always, there's always

Starting point is 00:29:14 been implants. And I mean, that's this the conspiracy theory. You guys ever watched the HBO show newsroom before? No. Oh, great show. No, there's a, I think it's called operat, maybe Doug can look this up. Operation mockingbird or something like that. I've heard of that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, States CIA that began in the early 1950s that attempted to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes. So they've been, you know, and I wouldn't doubt look, here's a deal. The CIA is kind of like the secret government.

Starting point is 00:29:52 People don't realize it's, they're giving a lot of power and it was created during the Cold War. And what people need to understand is during the Cold War, and that's why I'm so fascinated by it, we literally were dealing with the potential destruction of the world for reals. And so we did a lot of shit that under that pretense, under that context. And so when you're looking at O-Fuck, they've got nukes pointed at us, and we've got it at them, and we could all kill each other, everything's on the table, like all of it.

Starting point is 00:30:17 You know what I mean? Like, well, what if we do this plan where, like, Operation Northwood, where we stage a terrorist attack to Miami so the American public supports invading Cuba because of Soviets are putting missiles in Cuba. That's kind of on the table when you imagine that, well shit, they could nuke us all and we all die, you know what I mean? So the CIA was created under that context in the sense that it's kind of this shadow government that operates outside

Starting point is 00:30:43 of the Constitution and does shady shit and has money coming in that nobody knows about and you know they sold drugs for a while. They dealt with that in order to get money that nobody knew about and this is all somewhat confirmed. It's still kind of conspiracy-ish. But you know as far as the media is concerned, I 100%, if you're in the CIA and that's your job, to sway public opinion because we are a democracy, why wouldn't they do that?

Starting point is 00:31:10 And the way that news used to be, it was reporting. You had journalists that would just tell you, this is what happened, here's this, here's that. And then we got these 24 hour news channels that got created, I don't remember what the first one was, the first 24 hour news network. I think it might have been CNN, if I'm not mistaken, where it was 24 hours a day news.

Starting point is 00:31:29 Now, how do you have something reporting 24 hour news? That was kind of insane at the time, because at the time you had newspapers and then you have the news come on once a day. We need news all the time. So this is when they started creating these shows where you had these journalists with opinions. So now they would report the news, but then they also debate and discuss and have opinions. And which ones do you

Starting point is 00:31:52 think got the most ratings? Oh, the opinions, of course. And the more charge they were or the more divisive they were, the bigger and better ratings just go up. The ratings were. And so a lot of them kind of went to the left a little bit and I think Fox was like that counter where they found like, oh shit, a lot of people want these conservative views. And honestly, I think part of it is they're probably working with each political party to promote their ideas. I think that's definitely happening. But I also think that the public pushes it to the extreme

Starting point is 00:32:26 because who's the ones that are going to get the most, is it the loud fucking divisive guy, or is it the calm kind of objective, you know what I mean? Who's gonna get more attention? Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I am fortunate truth. I mean, we definitely, as consumers, have made that happen because that's what we told them we wanted to watch.

Starting point is 00:32:45 And so that's exactly what they gave us. And when we wanted all these charged opinions, because the drama of it and all this shit, and now we lost like good news. Yep, and I think what's interesting with new media is it's so hard to control. You still see extremism in new media. You actually see it quite a bit. But new media is interesting in that, the long form is getting more popular. Like, TV, and I think it's TV was so expensive

Starting point is 00:33:12 with ads and not shit, where they would do sound bites and they'd edit it to make it sound exciting. On YouTube, a lot of people are posting full interviews and full without editing. And those are the ones that are getting lots of views because people wanna hear the whole story, which is different than before. But, you know, I really appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:33:31 Yeah, that's good. Anyway, to change topics a little bit, just read this article two days ago, that in June, there's a California groundskeeper who's taking a Monsanto to court. Oh, I saw this. What? Yeah, and he's, they're making a claim that Monsanto

Starting point is 00:33:50 hid the cancer dangers of their glyphosate, you know, round up, the famous weed killer. This could be huge. Like this could be massive. Now Monsanto and these big biotech companies have incredible amounts of power. Incredible wealth. Not just wealth. Not just wealth, but there are, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:13 these companies work with farmers that plant all these crops, that get government subsidies. And so you can't separate, it's hard to separate government from... Well, it's the new standard. Because they've created these these seeds that are genetically engineered to be able to you know resist insects and like all like it's it's reliable right and so it's like you know as a farmer like it's a tough that's a tough decision a tough place to be it is but he's he's gonna say hey you guys knew of the cancer dangers and you guys

Starting point is 00:34:42 hit it kind of like I think they're taking a page out of like big tobacco would happen with the you know tobacco agent You know industry when they were saying oh, it doesn't cost cancer doesn't cost cancer Even though they knew that there was a a cancer connection Mm-hmm. So I think that's the direction going if Mon Santo loses something like this Expect to see a shit ton more lawsuits going that way. Oh, for sure, because they're like the leaders in it. And it's, it will be so disruptive to the way that we do farming.

Starting point is 00:35:12 Mm-hmm. It will be an interesting thing to do. Do you think it'll stand up? I haven't put a bunch of black eyes out there, man. I, I think, I don't think it will. I don't know. I don't know. I don't either.

Starting point is 00:35:23 I don't. That's why I hope. Here's why I don't think it matters. I feel like the market's already going away from that anyway. Doesn't it? Like, you know, organic and non-GMO and all that stuff. You know, we say that a lot on the show and sometimes I feel like that's us being in our little bubble. Yeah. I think that, but I also think they'll find ways around it. You know, they have so much money and power and influence and, you know, in the farming communities that and power and influence and, you know, and the farming communities that, like, I'm sure, like, they have, like, other plans, like, you know,

Starting point is 00:35:49 from where to go from here, if everything's going in the organic direction. Well, we're kind of screwed now, because most, I think I'm like, 70 to 90% of all products that aren't organic, label organic soil. Well, no, they just have, they're GMO. So if it doesn't say organic on it, the odds the good odds are that it has GMO because they've dominated the market now there's such a huge market share where most crops most corn most soy most cotton you know is GMO and even wheat

Starting point is 00:36:22 it's not GMO sprayed with glyphosate because because now they use it to kind of get it ready faster or whatever, it's part of the process. But when they first got introduced to the market in the, I wanna say the early 90s, they didn't make up a big percentage. They were making up the market at all. They weren't even there. Then when they introduced them in the market,

Starting point is 00:36:42 they actually were sued because if you have GMO corn, I don't have to label that as GMO corn. So when I put my corn product on the shelf next to your corn product, that's not GMO. The consumer doesn't know the difference and they wanted it that way. They don't want nobody to know the difference because if they labeled genetically modified on there, for sure, they would have never achieved 80% fucking 1994. They would have never penetrated the market the way they did. And it went to court and the Supreme Court, I think it was a Supreme Court voted that they

Starting point is 00:37:21 didn't have to label it. The deciding vote was, I believe, Justice Clarence Thomas, who used to, I believe used to work with these biotech companies, a little conspiracy theory there for you. But if they had labeled it early on, because anything else you do in the market, which is kind of strange,

Starting point is 00:37:38 if I put a product together that I patent, so it's a patented product, it's my product that I created, typically I have to label it to separate it from my competitors. Like I can't put out like a phone that looks like Apple and not say that, you know, if I do that and I don't say it's Apple, I get sued, right?

Starting point is 00:37:56 Right. Everything else works that way. GMOs don't. So nobody knew that they were buying GMO products. I don't know. I remember back when we were voting, like this is a couple, I don't know, this is a couple of years ago,

Starting point is 00:38:06 but they had that law to reveal whether or not it was GMO in California, I could not believe that didn't pass. Probably because those are scientists and conclusive on so many things. That's why I guarantee they leveraged on so much of that. Well, also the amount of money that comes in from GMO companies and crops, because they spun it.

Starting point is 00:38:29 Like, I mean, what consumer wouldn't want to know, just have a label on there. Like doesn't make any sense to be. Not from a consumer, it doesn't, but they battle it in court off the, off the, us not being able to prove that GMOs are technically that harmful. And also the cost. It's the same thing that we get into debates with people in our space that are pushing private like an appeal for it. Like we did the vote passes, what I'm asking you.

Starting point is 00:38:52 So if you look at California, the Bay Area and the coast, we make all the money, whatever. But a lot of California's farm, massive percentage of California is farmland. And a lot of it was, hey, if they forced us to label, cost is gonna go up, we're gonna have to lay people off, we're gonna change things, and so a lot of jobs are aligned.

Starting point is 00:39:12 Yeah, so I see. And so I think they spun like, the consumers aren't winning the vote there. Right, yeah, it's the employees and the employers. And I'm not pro, like you have to, you know, I'm not pro, you have to put labels on things and stuff like that. I'm anti, like being deceptive, that's all. So like, if you patented it, which, fine,

Starting point is 00:39:35 if you don't patented, then do it every, but if it's patented, and you're trying not to let anybody know you have it, you're playing both sides. Yeah, come on. Because they're trying to say, oh, it's a natural product, that's why we don't have to label it. What do you mean? You patented it, it you have supposed to be a little patent? Natural products. Oh, no, you know, it just came up in my feet right now, but dude women accused Morgan Freeman of inappropriate behavior now

Starting point is 00:39:55 No way Damn they keep dropping like flies. I like to Morgan Freeman so much. Yeah, he's the best voice. Yeah, dude That's fucking such a bummer. Oh, man. All these fuckers. Yeah. Literally. Right. Yeah. I can't believe that. You know, it's man. When you're when you're oh, that was part of that article with Netflix. So, remember when I told you, I think there's a conspiracy. Remember when I was talking shit about that way back when it so part of that article is is leaning towards that Netflix is part of the responsibility of taking down Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:40:28 And that's all part of this. Why all of these Hollywood stars, all these people are falling because- I'm really joked about that. I was like, no way. Yes. That's the theory behind that whole Netflix post. Same thing is that these guys are part of all these people following are these guys that are making sure that they're following.

Starting point is 00:40:47 And so they're rebuilding a new Hollywood, which will be Netflix for us. Our kids' kids, right, won't even refer to Hollywood anymore as Hollywood. Hollywood's dead. Hollywood will be dead. You know, it's dying right now. And they're accelerating it right now

Starting point is 00:41:00 by exposing all these people. And they're building up new stars and celebrities on Netflix. So maybe that's behind us. The one thing that I don't like about or the way people operate is all you have to do is make an accusation, and then that person's in a fuck, so I'm not, I don't know if he's innocent or not, but it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:41:19 No, when you've been on that end, and I've been on that end before, it's a really fucking shitty position to be on. It really sucks when you're at a place where people can make an accusation like that and because it's so damning that it doesn't matter if it's true or not, you now become associated with that and now you have this, you know, you're tainted. Yeah. Yeah. That's, uh's who was it that there was a football player that college player who got accused of rape, got kicked out and I believe went to jail and then was released because then the girl came forward and said, and this is like after he'd been in jail for a few years.

Starting point is 00:41:59 So I lost his career. All that stuff. She comes out and says she lied. Dude. And that happens. I know. See, that's what I'm always waiting for. She should go to jail. Don't you think she's inclusive? Yeah, definitely. She should go to jail.

Starting point is 00:42:11 Yeah, and I definitely think she. She tends to hold, I mean, stuff like that is what it sucks because if, you know, like real victims, I get raped, like you're fucking that up, you know? Like by doing stuff like that and you're fucking up that guy's life Like deliberately. I'm always suspicious when I see things like the article that Doug just pulled up a minute ago, and it's like You know inappropriate behavior like what the fuck does that mean what constitutes inappropriate behavior in your eyes like

Starting point is 00:42:44 Yeah, like I wink or blow a kiss at some chick like you mean to tell me like and I did that to eight girls that worked for me at one point, and now I'm posted all over CNN. It's like this guy who everyone now is associating with like a rapist or someone like, God, if you're seeing the show, mad men, like that's like how like business like you used to be back in the day. It was all inappropriate. Yeah, and I've seen, I've seen both men and women be extremely, what would be considered inappropriate, but depending on the context, you know?

Starting point is 00:43:06 Yeah, I mean, I guess this is the thing, I was working at a restaurant and got, you know, molest, my manager, you know, like, she was just like, you know, grab my ass and like, you know, grab my junk and, you know, random, I didn't, you know, do anything about it. Well, the difference is though, you didn't feel threatened, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:43:22 No, but yeah, I'm not comparing it to, yeah, somebody that's like a rule. I'm just saying that, like, you difference is though, you didn't feel threatened. No, but yeah, I'm not comparing it to somebody that's like a rule. I'm just saying that inappropriate. Like I could, that could be a labeled inappropriate behavior. Yeah. Well, I tell you what, this highlights something quite interesting. And it's a bit of a grand experiment that men and women work together quite a bit. And what I mean by that is I don't think that they shouldn't work together,

Starting point is 00:43:46 but I think that having a bunch of men and women work together and then expecting zero no sexual tension. That's like, I mean, that's against human nature. And now you need to have some personal responsibility of course. You get control yourself. And there need to be kind of,

Starting point is 00:44:03 there need to be some hard line, like this is what you don't do type of thing. And you can't leave it so much up to the discretion to the other person because it's like this fuzzy, like for example, like if a girl likes a guy and then he says, damn, you got a nice body. She's not gonna feel, she might not feel like that's, you know's inappropriate.

Starting point is 00:44:26 If she doesn't like the guy and he says that, definitely could get him in trouble and fired. And so what I mean is, we're in this kind of strange fuzzy, and I'm not talking about outright assault or touching someone. No, that's an excellent point. And it's kind of not fair for either party in that situation

Starting point is 00:44:45 because you don't know if you're that guy, right? Are you the guy that she does like me? And so when we throwing signals at her, or that be winking or flirting with her somehow, is not a big deal? Or she just totally repulsed by me, and then I'm doing that. And so she's turned off, and now it's like you said.

Starting point is 00:44:59 The inappropriate. Yeah, so, and it's just, I mean, it's a growing process. We have to learn how to work together. Do talking about working together. I have a story for you guys that's more fitness related since we've been all over the political page here. So Katrina works with this girl who is pregnant right now. And we were talking about it last night because she's like, you know, I really feel like there's not a lot of things that I ask for your help. but I need your help in, but when I get pregnant, I feel like I'm gonna need your help.

Starting point is 00:45:27 And I'm like, what are you talking about? And she's like, well, I don't know how I'm going to feel, and it's very important to me that I stay healthy and in shape, and that I feed the baby this way, this and that, and I see a lot of my girlfriends and the pressures they have, and she's talking about this girl at work. And she's like, she's this real fit cute girl, and she's a couple months into our pregnancy.

Starting point is 00:45:46 And the office thing right now is to feed her. Like everybody brings her donuts and cookies and, you know, like every day she's getting it. And she's just like, and she's like, she's got a sweet tooth already. So it's already a challenge for her to say, no, to all that. And Katrina is telling me, she's like, you know,

Starting point is 00:46:01 she would never be eating this much if it wasn't for all these people that keep kind of like, and they keep telling her like, you know, she would never be eating this much if it wasn't for all these people that keep kind of, and they keep telling her like, you know, you gotta feed that baby, and they're like force feeding her. And I think that it's just kind of, not force feeding her, it's not, they're not literally shoving the donuts,

Starting point is 00:46:14 but I mean, they're putting, they're applying that pressure every day and encouraging her that she's eating for two and make sure you're eating and make sure the baby is fed. And it's funny that we have this culture around that, you know, when a woman is pregnant that she's really eating for two and I was explaining to her not only is that completely wrong. You don't need that anymore calendar.

Starting point is 00:46:33 No, it's about 130 to 150 and what's crazy when I told Katrina is that's based off of your same expenditure naturally where you're at and your movement. If that changes, that changes too. Yeah, so if you move less because you're pregnant. Right, which happens, right? You get pregnant, your low back starts to hurt, your fatigue, your hormones are all over the place, so you probably take some naps, you're tired.

Starting point is 00:46:52 So your knee gets dropped significantly. Then you're being told by your doctor or your friends that you need to be feeding and eating more, and you don't. Not only do you not need to be eating more, and if you were actually keeping up your activity level and you're't. Not only do you not need to be eating more, and if you were actually keeping up your activity level and you're also pregnant, then it's only about 130 to 150 more calories,

Starting point is 00:47:10 obviously depending on the person. But I think Katrina's would eat, you guys are very health conscious, and you guys eat healthy now. I think she'll eat even healthier when she's pregnant because your understanding of health and nutrition is not, I think a lot of people, they even healthier when she's pregnant because your understanding of health and nutrition is not, I think a lot of people,

Starting point is 00:47:27 they go crazy when they get pregnant and they eat whatever, because the relationship to food is not good. But if you have a good healthy relationship with food and you look at it is like taking care of myself, loving my body, whatever, when you add a child to that, I don't think this is about it. I feel like it intensifies one or the other. Yeah, exactly, right?

Starting point is 00:47:42 So I think, yeah, like if you already have bad poor relationship, like it's just gonna like heightened because now it's an excuse. Or on the other end of that, you're gonna be researching. And you're gonna be like, oh, you know, I'm gonna get all the essential, you know, minerals, nutrients and things. I need, you know, to really help this baby foster and grow.

Starting point is 00:48:00 And that's a really good point. And I, because that's what I said to her was like, that's what my wife was too. I told her, I was like, you know, I don't see you being like that. And I know I won't. I said, I know the type of discipline that I've applied myself to get on a stupid stage

Starting point is 00:48:12 in a bathing suit and pose for a plastic trophy. If I got, if my child is on the way, like I'm on, like I'm like dialed more than I've ever been dialed because to me that is the, that to me matters more than, and it's only nine months. Like, if I can discipline myself to make the best healthy choices, whether it be that, to be through movement,

Starting point is 00:48:30 or feeding, or getting sunlight, or whatever it is, that I can do to help us as a team, like, I'm on it. Like, I'm gonna be on my game. And what you eat when you're pregnant, it influences the baby, and besides, obviously, how they're developing all that stuff, it also influences the baby, besides the obvious how they're developing all that stuff. It also influences their preferences. When they're, and this is, by the way,

Starting point is 00:48:50 I'm not just making this up, there's science and support this, but I see these firsthand. So when I was married at the time when my wife was pregnant, she definitely was not at the same intensity when it comes to fitness and health. Now, generally healthy, generally, state active, but not like I was.

Starting point is 00:49:08 And so she would just eat whatever, but when she was pregnant with my son, the things that she wanted to eat a lot of were vegetables. She wanted to eat olives, which was kind of strange. And the funny thing is my son loves those things, right? My daughter, now when she was pregnant with my daughter, she went nuts on the bread and pasta, you know, and I would talk to her about it whatever very difficult conversation to have

Starting point is 00:49:33 with someone who is pregnant because they also don't feel good and all that stuff and so it sounds like you're being insensitive, right? But I would say like, you probably shouldn't need as much bread. It's not good for the baby and it's whatever. And anyway, oh, you calling me fat? It's very difficult to have this conversation. But she did she had a shit ton of bread and pasta and for sure my daughter has this very interesting

Starting point is 00:49:53 relationship with bread and pasta where she has, she'll, she has no limit on it. She'll just keep going until her stomach hurts or whatever. So it's funny to see that, you know, play itself out or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, they just keep finding so many things that factor into that, like,

Starting point is 00:50:10 beginning stage process. So you just, I mean, the more conscious you are of everything, your environment, your food intake, your movement and all that, the better. Oh, yeah. I think you said it really well, Justin. I think that makes a lot of sense to me that it's, it's like what I, how I explain people that steroids. People are like, I hear steroids make you an asshole. You know, big pregnancy. Pregnancy makes you fat, for sure. No, it just exaggerates some of your issues or some of your stuff already. So if you're already kind of an asshole, then you get on steroids.

Starting point is 00:50:37 You're just a more muscular asshole. Yeah, exactly. An exaggerated version of that. And so I could see if you have a poor relationship with food and exercise already and that's a struggle and you go into pregnancy, I could see that that just exaggerates that and then it makes it even more challenging. Whereas if you are somebody who is extremely health conscious going into that, it probably will exaggerate that too. That because now you're not you're not thinking selfishly, you're also thinking about the babies. I can see that. One of my favorite observations too with pregnancy, and you'll see this if you guys end up going that route is, you know, women, when you see women around each other and they don't know each other, sometimes it's an interesting relationship, especially if you're girlfriend,

Starting point is 00:51:17 like if you go out and Katrina's dressed very, you know, provocatively and she looks good or whatever, sometimes you'll see the looks of like, eh, what do she think she is or whatever? You see girls do this with each other. It's interesting to watch. When she's pregnant, every woman is her best friend. She'll get front of lines, they'll pull out chairs for her, they'll buy her shit. Women stick together to take care of pregnant women

Starting point is 00:51:40 and it's so fascinating to why. I remember we go places and my wife would be pregnant and it's like women would just walk up to her and just love her and take care of her and as I never happens any of the time, I would never see it like that. This is why I think that's why I thought it was fascinating what these people are doing as far as like they're they don't bring her donuts and cookies during the rest of the year. It's right now.

Starting point is 00:52:03 It's almost like a show love. Right. And I think they don't they don't mean harm by it. They really think they're doing a good thing. It's kind of, right. It's totally misguided. It's just a misconception that we have in our culture that when a woman gets pregnant, that she's eating for two, and so if you're one of these ladies

Starting point is 00:52:18 that are friends with a pregnant woman, you're like, oh, I'm gonna bring her a cake, I'm gonna show you. I bet she'd love that. Oh my God, so funny. Everybody also just comes up and randomly touches. You know, belly, like my wife would just like, I do that.

Starting point is 00:52:31 People would just come up and touch her, like all the time. And she's like, hey, you know, like, hey, what's going on here? I helped make that. Why don't you pat him? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, don't be just giving me any love.

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Starting point is 00:53:45 My wife loves it when I wear these. It's like birth control. He killed that video. That was awesome. Oh, so good. Yeah, I don't do that. I don't know about this, man. I don't.

Starting point is 00:53:54 You know, it's funny because the sanctumies are sold as risk-free, problem-free, super simple, easy ways to. And yet, I've heard many a story. Yeah, problems that had occurred. Come on, here's a fact. Okay, here's a fact. No medical procedure is without proof.

Starting point is 00:54:14 It's potential side effects and issues. So that's 100%. And you're going in there and you are literally removing surgically preventing the body from releasing sperm or having sperm out. Doing something that has been in us for the entire time of existence that you are shutting down. Well, your body still makes sperm, it just doesn't come out. And so there's a few things that can happen.

Starting point is 00:54:40 I don't want to scare anybody by the way. If you compare vasectomy to like getting a woman having your tubes tied, vasectomy much safer, much less potential for side effects. If you compare it to like birth control, much less side effects, much less. So of all the strategies, besides the natural strategies where you're timing her ovulation, pull out method and condoms,

Starting point is 00:55:02 it's probably one of the better options. But when you prevent the body from getting that sperm out, your body can actually develop an immune, an autoimmune reaction in response to its own sperm. So that's been shown. So you can increase your risk of autoimmune. So if you're somebody who has already high risk of autoimmune issues, then your, the odds, and this is speculation, does not really any science to support what I'm about to say, but in my opinion, if you're already somebody who has a tendency towards autoimmune issues, you'll probably have a higher risk

Starting point is 00:55:32 of having an autoimmune reaction to a vasectomy. Does it affect sex drive hormones and prostate cancer? You know, here's the thing, some studies show that it affects hormones. It may reduce testosterone. I 100% believe this, because even if it's not doing it physically, I can see how it could do it psychologically. Good point.

Starting point is 00:55:51 I mean, so even if there are, I think there could be some possible physical things that happen there, but even if that is not true, I could see the psychological difference that it could do for a man. Just knowing that, just knowing that I can't reproduce anymore, you cannot fucking tell me that that doesn't sit in the back of your head. And what I know now about my own libido and being a grown-ass man,

Starting point is 00:56:14 that's not a teenage boy that wants to hump everything. And now that a day at work of stress can completely affect my sex drive, I most certainly think that if you take away the ability for me to reproduce, and I know that in the back of my head, I don't know, that would be the same, not the same, but a similar type of stress that I know my body would feel

Starting point is 00:56:34 if I knew that my bank account was empty and I had a mortgage coming up at the end of the month. Like, that's not physically gonna keep me from having a kid, but you better believe that it will psychologically, because I know how my body operates and I respond. Well testosterone for sure is affected by state of mind. For sure, you could literally think something

Starting point is 00:56:54 and we can immediately see changes in your testosterone levels, like most hormones, they can get affected through, through thoughts, but the science, for the worst, the worst some studies that showed a correlation between vasectomies and prostate cancer. And then other studies came out and said, okay, there is no correlation. So that one is interesting.

Starting point is 00:57:16 Hormones, there's some science to show that it may increase DHT, which is a form of testosterone that attaches to, where your prostate has an affinity for prostate in your scalp and lowers testosterone. That's again, that's also up in the air. You know, I don't know. Would I ever get one?

Starting point is 00:57:37 You both have talked about it. So I actually scheduled one and was like completely going through the entire process where they make sure like do you really want to do this and like you have to you know go through all the literature and watch the videos and all this kind of stuff and like you know and so I went through all that and then was was trying to schedule a date to then meet with the physician met with a physician and then we had like a scheduled date for the actual surgery. And so you get like a time of like,

Starting point is 00:58:06 I don't know if it's like three months or something like that, where you have to go. And then after that, it's like, okay, now you gotta repeat the whole process. So, they make you do a whole rigmarole before you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because probably to make sure people are certain when they do a reverse surgery.

Starting point is 00:58:19 Yeah, because you're certain of it. Yeah, well, yeah, and I think they're just, it's a legal thing, right, too, on top of that. So, like, yeah, and I think they're just it's it's a legal thing right to on top of that like so Like we we did all the due diligence like leave it to the back out what happened I mean what was it? I just I kept thinking about it and I I was gonna do it But it's just the timing of it with our schedule and everything else and so I kind of just fluffed it off and then forgot about it and was like I need to do more research on this to see counterpoints,

Starting point is 00:58:49 because I've heard even some of my friends that have had the procedure, one guy, it actually didn't even work. So he actually got his wife pregnant. Anyways. Boy, I'd be fucking mad. I was like, so he just said that, right?

Starting point is 00:59:04 And that planted a seed in my head. Like, I'm be fucking mad. I was like, so he just said that, right? And that planted a seed in my head. Like, I'm gonna go through this and it still might like get my wife pregnant. I was like, fuck. Oh, like that would be the ultimate, right? When you guys were trying for your boys, was it, did you guys get pregnant right away? Was it a process?

Starting point is 00:59:19 Well, so that's the thing, and this is very, so you're really good at this. Private information, but yeah, she was on birth control and it's still. Boom. Yeah. So you guys are a hyper, full-up. Yes, bro.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Like, your DNA is supposed to mix. Yeah, so I was just like, we were both floored by that because it was only a year into our marriage and it was like, I wasn't like, we were playing on a couple of years in, but we just were like, oh, okay, so that's that, you know? But yeah, it was like, so it's one of the things I do worry about.

Starting point is 00:59:52 Yeah. So for me, right after my divorce, yeah, you talked about this also. Yeah, right after my divorce, I was like, done. I'm gonna go get a vasectomy, and that's it. And then I started dating Jessica and obviously fell in love and still didn't, still was like I'm not having any kids at all. But you know, it's interesting, the kind of relationship that we have, she allows me or encourages, you know, self-awareness

Starting point is 01:00:20 or allows me to express myself and I don't feel judged or whatever. And she's young, you know, she's young and I'm sure she doesn't have any kids. But really what I was doing is I was thinking myself, you know, I have so much fear, post-divorce, of ever being in a situation like that again. Like is my decision to never wanna have kids again based on the fact that I really don't wanna have kids ever again? Or is it based on my based on the fact that I really don't want to have kids ever again or is it based on my fear of the fact that I got divorced after 15 years and you know, and that

Starting point is 01:00:52 whole process like it's almost like when you're with someone and then you have a terrible breakup like you never want to date again or whatever like your fear of commitment. Now that was a real question for me like is this really is it really because I'm scared? Because here's the thing, if you go back 20 years and you asked me, actually you go back my entire life, up until maybe six or seven years into my marriage, if you had asked me at any point how many kids I'd wanted, I would have always said a lot, I want big family.

Starting point is 01:01:23 And the truth is I love big families. Now, this isn't saying I'm gonna have another kid, what it's saying is, I had to examine that and have a sect of me so permanent. You know? And the other side of it is I've always used the pullout method. I've never, even while I was married or whatever,

Starting point is 01:01:39 I've never used any birth control aside from the good old fashioned pullout method. And when I was married, my wife wasn't on birth control, so the good old fashioned, you know, pull out method. And when I was married, my wife wasn't on birth control. So it wasn't like, whatever. I mean, because there's, where they say there's only like really three days of the month that you're supposed to even be able to have a kid, like were you at least tracking her?

Starting point is 01:01:55 Never, it was always pull out method. I'm good. I'm really good. I'm really good at it. So I never fuck up. Ever. Only twice. Only twice. Yeah, no, no, never fuck up. I know Spider-Man. Holy twice. No, no, never fuck up.

Starting point is 01:02:06 I know I'm really fertile because when we tried for my kids, it was fast, it was easy. But yeah, that's my personal opinion. But if you're in a situation where pregnancy would be devastating, then it's probably a good option. I think it's probably a better option than birth control. I mean, actually, for my opinion, I think it's very much. Well, I think where it gets, the question is for, especially for guys like us that are now moving

Starting point is 01:02:34 into our 40s and then mid 40s to 50s and then wives and girls are not going to, well, they're not going to want to get pregnant at that age anymore. And so it's more about that. Like right now, it's, I think it's pretty easy for us to kind of go, and that's sure, back and forth. And that's because if it were something to happen, right? If Jessica somehow got pregnant, or Courtney somehow got pregnant,

Starting point is 01:02:55 like it would not be the end of the world. Like it would be... Well, we had an experience like that, not the long ago where she was late. Her period for, I think it was a week or something like that. I think I told you guys. And when she told me, of course, first I was late, her period for I think it was a week or something like that. I think I told you guys. And when she told me, of course, first I was like, are you guys fucking terrified?

Starting point is 01:03:09 I was like, you're kidding me. I just got, you know, a year and a half ago or whatever. I got divorced. You know, yes, I'm in love and all that stuff, but I'm still very scared and only shit would if she's pregnant. And then I thought about it. And I, you know, and personally for me, if she was pregnant, there is no, I would never do,

Starting point is 01:03:29 I would never wanna do an abortion, it's like that's my own personal view. I think everybody has their own views, right? So I thought about that, I'm like, okay, if she is, and this is just how I tend to tackle situations that are scary, is I imagine that that's the deal. Like, okay, let's say she is pregnant. Well, this is what we'll do.

Starting point is 01:03:48 We'll do this, we'll that. I do lover, I do wanna be with her. I think she would be an excellent mom. So I told her, I said, I came home that day and I said, look, this is what happened, this is cool. We're gonna do this with that. And then she told me, oh, I got my period, actually. So it was like, it was almost like I said,

Starting point is 01:04:03 like just kidding. Yeah, it was almost like the perfect thing. But, you know, for me, who knows? I don't know. It's almost like you think to yourself, like, well, are you the kind of person that thinks if it's meant to be kind of person, or are you the kind of person that thinks

Starting point is 01:04:20 that mistakes happen? And so I've been on either side of that, you know what I mean? And I kind of wavered between the two, but yeah, I mean, if you show, if you have to look at all the birth control methods that don't include the natural methods, or the condoms or barrier methods, or whatever, and you were weighing them out,

Starting point is 01:04:36 I think it's pretty clear that the vasectomies probably the safest and least likely to produce negative side effects. I think that's what we came to conclude, and that's why I'm still debating on it because it's like, she's been on birth control for a long time now, so it's like, I wanna get her off the birth control, so.

Starting point is 01:04:53 And but anyway, we'll see, stay tuned. Ha ha ha ha. Our next question is from Thayer 2.513. Why do you believe so many poor thought or behavior patterns in adulthood are rooted in childhood? Because they are. Yeah. That's why the sky blue, because it is.

Starting point is 01:05:11 Because it is, because that's exactly what happens. I mean, you can't help it. People don't realize that, you know, 98% of what you, what you see and hear throughout your day, every single day, your brain is downloading. It is downloading and it's storing, and it's saving it in there. And when you see,

Starting point is 01:05:30 and you're not even aware of it. You're not even aware of it. 98% of it is subconscious. We're only conscious of 2% of the information that we're downloading and processing throughout your day. So yeah, you better believe that if you grew up in a home, where you saw things that Habitually all the time over and over that was you're you're downloading that information

Starting point is 01:05:50 All the time all the time all the time all the time all the time and so More than likely you're gonna have tons of pathways that they lead to this potentially bad behavior That is your default that when you get angry or sad or feared or things that will trigger those moments of what you probably felt when you were 7, 8, 9, 9 years old and don't even remember anymore, that naturally you kick over to that pathway. And it's very, very hard for people to break that. And the first fucking step is recognizing you got that. Yeah. You know, say is meaning that you got that I do have these patterns that are that are and it doesn't mean necessarily so I know give you an example of like it doesn't necessarily mean because I grew up in a around an abusive home it doesn't mean I'm going to go turn around and abuse somebody it doesn't mean that like that's not what what I mean like least when I talk about these behaviors or patterns that you get from childhood but I'd most certainly am influenced by them now luckily for me for me, I've made the conscious decision

Starting point is 01:06:45 to make an effort to go the other direction. But part of what makes me so extreme, the other direction is because again, of those pathways that have been formed and shaped in my brain from my childhood. So absolutely, it's there. And I still have to work on the opposite, right? Because I'm so extreme the other way.

Starting point is 01:07:06 Like I was the type of guy where literally, if a girl raised her voice to me, or even like slightly got into an argue with me, I was deuces. You're out. Yeah, I would be living with me too. You could be living with me, we'd been together for over a year.

Starting point is 01:07:21 Like I'm packing the bags at night. Like I was so, I'm so afraid of, you know, controversy and argument and fights and stuff like that. And some might even argue there's some healthiness to that. Like I'm so, no, there's nothing healthy about it because I've had these, these patterns that are formed in my brain from what I seen. So it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be a bad person or because of your, your, these bad behaviors you have that it's all from childhood. It's't necessarily mean that you're going to be a bad person or because of your, you, these bad behaviors you have that it's all from childhood. It's not necessarily.

Starting point is 01:07:47 It's not all or nothing. It's not guaranteed. You're going to be a certain way, but absolutely it's downloaded. Well, the brain is, the brain is very plastic. It's, it's in plasticity meaning that the brain molds and shapes itself based on its, you know, input, based on input, based on, you know, what's around you, the thoughts you have, the experiences you have, and all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:08:07 But it's extremely plastic, or at least the plasticity in a child's brain is far higher than it is in an adult brain. So here's a simple example. If you learn four languages from birth up until adulthood, you'll speak all four languages without an accent, fluently and perfectly. Now, and as an adult, you can also learn four languages,

Starting point is 01:08:32 but the primary language that you understand, the one that you learned as a child, will be the one without an accent. All the other ones, you'll always have an accent. So that's just an example of it. So a child's brain is literally like a sponge because what it's doing is it's pruning connections that it thinks it doesn't need and it's solidifying connections that

Starting point is 01:08:52 it thinks it definitely needs. Meaning if it's something that keeps seeing repeatedly over. It's solidifying. And to break that connection is very, very, very difficult as you become an adult and may in fact be impossible in some cases, but definitely very, very, very difficult as you become an adult and may in fact be impossible in some cases, but definitely very, very difficult. So your brain is molded and shaped during its most plastic period as a child based on your experiences and then when you become an adult, although you don't lose total plasticity, you lose a huge deal of it. So it's no different look, it's like this.

Starting point is 01:09:26 It's crazy to me that we only give credit to this or we only talk about it when it's like an extreme version of it. Like no one questions why a child who was molested their whole entire childhood, why they're so fucked up, sexually, all their entire adulthood. No one questions that because everyone sees and goes oh my god I can't wonder but that's just an extreme example of exactly that

Starting point is 01:09:48 Yeah, it's there's there's much lesser cases that nobody talks about that Yeah, like you're in a ship of food or leisure. Yeah, if your parents constantly told you that you you know You weren't gonna be good at something or you're whatever like and you were told that Forever like and you don't think that that is affecting you as a 25 or a 30 or 40 year old grown man or woman, like you're fucking tripping. Oh, you identify with your peers that say things about you or your body growing up.

Starting point is 01:10:16 It makes like a huge impression on your psychological health going forward, like what you're gonna fixate on. And there's things that come up too that are really subtle, that it's interesting because people around you will notice. If they know your childhood, they know your parents, then they'll start to see these patterns come out. I start to talk in a certain way,

Starting point is 01:10:42 or just funny, because Courtney kind of checks me and sees things that like my parents do that like I'll start to like recite or repeat and I'm like, ah, no, you know, like the whole, you're turning into your parents kind of thing. Right. And then you, you know, immediately that that sends like shockwaves down, you know,

Starting point is 01:11:00 I'm like, oh my God, no, or it's the good things too. So it's just recognizing that now is an adult that those impressions, they really stayed with you. It's rooted. Here's a good analogy. If you have a 23 year old who starts working out, their body will adapt and respond to the workout and they'll build muscle and burn body fat.

Starting point is 01:11:22 If you have a 70 year old that starts working out, they too, their body will also adapt and react and respond to build muscle and burn body fat. The difference between the two is the potential, the capacity, the 23 year old, has a much larger capacity for those changes and the seven year old doesn't. And this is what I mean by the plasticity of the brain

Starting point is 01:11:44 in a child versus in an adult. And it also to add another layer to that, those changes when they're made during those formative years, it becomes very hard to change them back or reverse them when you're an adult because you lose a lot of that plasticity. So you just, you must have most of the foundation is set in five to seven years old.

Starting point is 01:12:04 A lot of it is. A lot of it is. If your brain is like building a home most of the foundation is set in five to seven years old a lot of it is Yeah a lot of it is the if your time if your brain is like building a home like the foundation is five to seven Dude they'll do the they have people will adopt children from like you know Eastern European nations or whatever right. I'll get just an example and they'll have a child is two years old Or one year old or even maybe younger than one, and they'll adopt this baby, but the child or the baby has a history of terrible abuse as an infant.

Starting point is 01:12:33 They will still have developmental issues and stuff later on. It is like, especially in the early, early years, that brain is changing and molding at such a fucking rapid rate that, I mean, it makes a huge impact. So the things you grow up with, they kind of stay with you. I think the root, the key, I should say, is to know that, be aware of it so that it doesn't rule you or run your life. Or so you don't have these irrational fears or irrational behaviors or bad

Starting point is 01:13:06 relationships with people based on experiences in the past that have nothing to do with the experiences in the present. I mean, I love that you pick this question because so much of this is I think is matter so much for somebody who's trying to change their physique, right? Whether it be lose 30 pounds or build muscle or like much of the drive towards all of that, that goal is rooted in something much deeper than you realize. And when you get to the bottom of that, and that's not demonizing wanting to get in shape at all, it's fucking, that's a great thing to be want to be healthy and in shape, but just really understanding where your motives come from. And I think being able to unpack that is so important.

Starting point is 01:13:50 Dude, I was so, I mean, like if you call me skinny, you know, when I was a kid, it's like the worst fucking thing you could say to me. And it's all because I had developed this self-conscious, you know, this bad association with the word because I was called skinny all the time. And I felt inadequate. And then I've got this, you know,

Starting point is 01:14:10 super fit athletic dad that I wanted to be like and I was nothing like in that particular regard. And so that drove me for so long. It's still in me. I'm just aware of it. So it doesn't rule me anymore, but it's still there. I know it's still there. I can feel it. I can see it when me anymore. But it's still there. I know it's still there. I can feel it.

Starting point is 01:14:25 I can see it when, you know, but am I, but does it, does it run me and rule me? Like it used to, not even close. It, it drove me so much in the past and I was so unaware of how it drove me, that if you brought it up to me, I would have consciously denied it. Like, what are you talking about? That's not why I, that's how I do this That's not why I force feed myself. You know, I'm eating healthy. I'm into fitness. When looking back, I could clearly see dysfunction, you know, the entire time. My relationship with food with my kids, boy, that's a tough one, man. I was raised where, you know, you show a kid love by feeding the hell out of them. And if the kid leaves the house without eating, that's your terrible parent. And that was so ingrained in me. I mean, you know, parents following their kids around with food, my grandma would follow the house without eating, that's your terrible parent. And that was so ingrained in me.

Starting point is 01:15:05 I mean, parents following their kids around with food, my grandma would follow us around, and she would pride herself in being able to feed her grandkids more than everybody else. And people loved it. Oh, have not enough feed the kids. She'll get them to eat everything. And everybody like, oh my god, she's the greatest. Like, what? I just did this the other day.

Starting point is 01:15:22 We were at my daughter's communion and we were all eating or whatever and my cousin's daughter finished her whole plate. And so, and this, nobody's bad here. This is not a bad thing because you're doing it on, you're not, you're doing this with good intentions. She finishes her plate, so mom makes a big deal about it. Hey everybody look, she ate everything.

Starting point is 01:15:43 Everybody say yay, the whole table's like, yay, you ate all your food. And I'm like, why? Why are we doing that? Like, why are we all clapping that they ate everything? Like, if they want to eat, they do, and if they don't, they don't. You're making it seem like you're good if you eat everything, and if you don't, you're batting. I was raising that environment. And the old mindset, the scarcity, you know, back in the days, like everything. So crazy. I think learn how to make peace with it and use it to your benefit. Sure.

Starting point is 01:16:10 I mean, I think that's what an example for you would be talking about like the workout thing. I can totally relate to that. Now, the strength of that, that's why a guy like me can compete at the professional level, because I have this switch, but I also have the control to get myself out of it. You know what I'm saying? To know that like, I don't identify with that guy, but what's dope is I know that I have, I've got this power that I've been given because of the shit that I've been through that has

Starting point is 01:16:33 now made me into this machine where I can turn it on where I go, okay, everything else, tunnel vision, boom, I can hit that cheap, cool, right? But the, you know, 19 year old version of me, which is so good that I didn't find even competing in bodybuilding until now. Oh yeah. Because I could have easily been sucked into that. It was spiraled. Yeah, it would have easily spiraled me

Starting point is 01:16:53 and I could have easily caught up and got caught up in that and identified with that. But I went into it already not identifying with that my body and the skinny. You already done a lot of work up to that. Yeah, I've already did that work. It was good for me to experience it like it's 30 years old. Well, I would be able to say what I say

Starting point is 01:17:09 or communicate the way I had I not experienced that. Like when I would get clients with eating issues and body image issues, man, I was really good with them. But it was because I know exactly what's happening, what's coming from, I had that experience. And so I don't regret it at all. I think it's a blessing. I think all of these things can be blessings.

Starting point is 01:17:28 But for sure, we're somewhat a product of how we grew up and our experiences as children. Next up is Jopini. Hey. Hey, hey, hey. What is the difference between a good morning and a deadlift? A Jopini, yeah. Jopini, kind of a wini.

Starting point is 01:17:45 That's probably why you asked. What's the racist? This actually a cool question, because I think it's a good question. I think that they could look very similar to people. We're working the posterior chain, but I would use them totally different. So different, but the feel is so different. I mean, a good morning is all,

Starting point is 01:18:05 yeah. It's your knees. Yeah, your knees are supposed to be, you know, in a bent, but fixed position. So you're not getting any knee flexion or extension. It's all in the hips. The weight is on your back. And the reason why I like a good morning,

Starting point is 01:18:18 the reason why I do good mornings, all on top of stiff, like a deadlift, which I'm assuming they're talking about, right? A stiff, like a deadlift or something morning. Oh, I see talking about, right? A stiff-legged deadlifts for some morning. Oh, I see. Yeah, because that would be the most similar. Yeah, it's the posture top. Because when you have the bar on your back

Starting point is 01:18:33 with a good morning, you have to squeeze the shoulder down and back, stick the chest out, like you're squatting, and then bend forward versus a good morning. Do you know what I really like about a good morning in comparison to the deadlift? It's a great way to teach the hip hinging because you have, because like you're saying how you have to keep the bar balanced on your back like that, you just, you can't fold.

Starting point is 01:18:52 You can't. You can't. Right, but if you did a deadlift, you could round your back, you can fall, you can do it. You can contract the shoulders easy. Yeah. So it's a little bit, and the cue to hinge at the hips versus bending over is one of the hardest things as a trainer to teach a client to do. We lose we lose this ability to hinge

Starting point is 01:19:12 slide the hips back and forward and control it through the glutes instead of bending at the knee and using the quads to go up and down and that's a good point. I mean I always like I mean trying to reiterate that as they're going to pick it up because your body just like innately wants to kind of help. It wants to bend and wants to bring those shoulders down and forward and then rip off the ground and you have to fight all these natural tendencies and so to be able to have the bar placed and put your body in a position where it puts you in that optimal posture, that's a great teaching tool. I think I think of like a good morning is like teaching a like let's say we're trying to's a great teaching tool. I think of like a good morning is like teaching a, let's say we're trying to teach someone a golf swing,

Starting point is 01:19:48 I'm using like the, a good morning is like the half the swing, like just the breaking of the wrist and just kind of learning how to do that. And I'm talking about golf, and I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, my point here, you can look at the poor right? Well, I'm in, yeah, I was keep going. You're getting ready to ride a golf thing.

Starting point is 01:20:05 Yeah, we're getting ready. Just as you're here quizzing me like, oh, that's actually not at all. You're easy to know about that. But you know that if you're, if I'm breaking that all I'm doing is I'm working on one part of an important part of this compound movement that I eventually want to get to, which is the deadlift. The deadlift is the full swing. And I think that I like using a good more and they both are, can be practiced separately. So I think there's a lot of benefit to practicing them

Starting point is 01:20:28 separately. I think there's a lot more benefit to teaching somebody a good morning first before a deadlift. The deadlift has more moving parts and it's more challenging to not allow your body to cheat or to go to default bad patterns. Yeah, boy has times changed. You know, Wasn't that long ago that if somebody in the gym was doing a good morning, they would have been stopped by every trainer in there, and everybody that was working out and say, stop, don't do that, you're gonna hurt yourself.

Starting point is 01:20:54 Cause it looked bad back then. You gotta wait on your back and you're bending over, which, not joking, 15, 20 years ago, like everybody would say don't do that. That's terrible for you. Before that, 40, 50 years before that like everybody would say, don't do that, that's terrible for you. Before that, 40, 50 years before that, a good morning was a strength exercise. It was one of the top.

Starting point is 01:21:10 It was a staple in strength athletes routines. In fact, they would compete, today if you say, how much can you bench, that's a very common thing to hear. Back then, how much can you do overhead press in good morning, those were kind of two exercises, bent press and other kind of stuff, but that was an exercise that people would test themselves.

Starting point is 01:21:31 You can get tremendously strong doing good mornings. If you practice them right and you train them properly, one point of thing that myself up to almost four plates on a good morning, it's a very strong hip-in-ging movement. It forces you to focus on retracting your shoulder blades, holding good posture while you bend forward, bracing your core. I noticed a lot of carryover from good mornings

Starting point is 01:21:54 to deadlifts and good mornings to squats. I remember when I started to do good mornings, I was able to squat more away. No, it's an excellent way to teach the hip-in-gen. I think that that's a hard thing for people to understand. Even when someone goes to squat, most people are just bending at the knee, they let their shoulders roll forward.

Starting point is 01:22:12 Good morning is excellent for getting you good at those things. Did anybody do good mornings back when you got, I don't remember anybody. No, you're right. When you would see it, you would think somebody is, Yeah, you would freak out like someone's doing something. I did it.

Starting point is 01:22:23 I remember going into a gym and I was doing good mornings and like I would have people actually stop and like random old guys and come over and be like, you hurt yourself. No, like, like, like really concerned, you know, with the movement because they just haven't seen people do. I'm like, no, this is an actual exercise. I got this cramp on. Yeah, I'm on my damn last episode. Go to the good girl bad girl machines. What about, what did it take? It's like, what about the Jefferson curl? That would have been one that would have got to get to you.

Starting point is 01:22:48 Actually, somebody brought that up recently. We ought to do a YouTube video, Doug, on a Jefferson curl. That's been on our list for a long time. And people will freak out over there. Oh, they will. You know, it all kinds of hate on YouTube. Because we're taught, while we've been taught now, that you're not supposed to ever round your back with weight on it now for a lot of exercises. That's true

Starting point is 01:23:08 But does that mean you shouldn't strengthen your spine's ability to flex and extend? Of course not. It's a movement. Here's a here's something that's important that you need to understand is If you can if your body can move a particular way with good stability good balance good strength Then that's okay. Then that's an option. Then that's an option. And if it can't, then you should be, one of the goals of trying to get your body strong to move in all these different ranges of motion and all of our, and the spine, although we do want it to be stable with heavy exercises like squats and deadlifts, the spine is very mobile.

Starting point is 01:23:39 Lots of joints. There's more joints in the spine than there is, you know, in terms of, you know, like you have one joint in your knee or whatever, so a few moving parts, right, your kneecap and your knee and your shoulders got your shoulder blade and a lot of stuff. Your spine is a bunch of joints. I was amazed going through FRC just to see

Starting point is 01:23:54 how people could connect to the spine, you know, and like how they articulate it. They have, they can articulate each individual, you know, vertebrae and like, how they could just like go through the process the process of with the central nervous system, like, oh, now this part of my back is activated. You'd actually visibly see that as their back would raise or lower.

Starting point is 01:24:15 And it's just like the human body is so much more sophisticated than a lot of the, we just put red tape all over the place just to make sure people don't fuck themselves up. And yet, everybody's okay with CrossFit, so that's all I have to say. Yeah, exactly. One of the best butt building exercises that you can do that nobody ever does

Starting point is 01:24:35 is a good morning with a band attached on your waist going behind you. So it ends up happening is you lean 40 of the resistance of the weight when you come up, which a regular good morning hits your glutes anyway, and hamstrings, hamstrings especially. But with the band around your waist, when you're coming up,

Starting point is 01:24:51 now you have the resistance at the top of the rep where you're trying to squeeze your glutes. I tell you what, man, I've had people do that and it's like, they feel their butt like they've never felt before. We should do a video, in fact. Yeah, there's another video, Doug. There it is.

Starting point is 01:25:03 Doubleing up. Next question is from very cool Alan. What if I like working Alan? Yeah, let's be honest. Yeah, you gotta say it. What if I like working a normal job? Does that mean I'm lame? Well, you're obviously not.

Starting point is 01:25:16 You answered your own question, Alan. Sounds pretty Ned Flanters to me. Very cool Alan. Yeah, I mean, we didn't use the word lame more often. No, I love lame, I always use lame. I love lame too. No, I don't think you're lame. And I think there's nothing wrong with that. I think there's some people that I think that were born to serve that were okay with with that. And I think there's nothing wrong with it. Good book, Fred Factor. I used to have all my like front desk and sales guys all do

Starting point is 01:25:43 this. And I think that it's a good little read that you can find fulfillment, happiness and success working in a position where you work for a company or others or serve other people. Like there's a lot of ways that you can be fulfilled that way that doesn't necessarily mean you've got to own or run your own thing. I think a lot of people, I think there's more people

Starting point is 01:26:02 that think, oh there you go Doug, thank you. Mark Sanborn. I think there's a lot of people, I think there's more people that think, oh there you go, Doug, thank you, Mark Sanborn. You know, I think there's a lot of people that think entrepreneurship is cool. It's fucking wrong. Yeah, it's not as cool as you think it is. That's annoying. Right, yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:16 Yeah, that is. It just like, like, breeze right over, like all the difficulties and the challenge and then just glorify, you know, like it's this like, awesome experience. It's not even cool, everybody. It's not even cool to say entrepreneur anymore. I hate when I catch myself saying it's still like, oh, I'm a serial entrepreneur. It's like, you know what? I just that lumps me in with a bunch of fucking lazy ass people, dude. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:26:35 They're too lazy to get a fucking job and work for somebody. So they want to say they do their own thing, which is really nothing. Somebody with a social media page. I was like, I've got to change this dude. I don't want to call this entrepreneur's anymore because he didn't love to. No, I think this is a good question because it kind of highlights a problem sometimes that kids run into where they're sold so heavy on what you need to do that makes you happy.

Starting point is 01:26:59 And if you're happy doing something else, something's wrong with you. Like what if, you know, and here's a great example. Wow, he's a fantastic example. And we've done this terrible disservice to the trade arts in this country, terrible disservice. For a while there, it was popularized through the media and TV and movies and whatever

Starting point is 01:27:21 that working with your hands and being in a trade like a plumber Construction worker mechanic electrician was somehow, you know, not good And it was better to work in an office get a degree and do those kinds of things and as a result all these kids Went to college to get many of them worthless degrees Because that you know that's what they're supposed to do and this is the way to guarantee whatever. And these other trades lost a lot of people when they're good paying jobs.

Starting point is 01:27:54 You can make a shit ton of money as a plumber and a lacrition. And if you like doing that, well then fuck, that's great. That's a great job. That's something, it's a great career. And there's a lot of ways you could take that career, you could work for someone else,

Starting point is 01:28:06 or you could start, I have a cousin who's a plumber, he's got 15 employees working in the room, he makes a shit ton of money, and that's what he wants to do. And I think this kind of highlights that. And here's the thing with entrepreneurship, here's why it's cool, because all the stories that you know about entrepreneurs

Starting point is 01:28:23 are all the extreme successes. That's why. When I say, hey, tell me a story about an entrepreneur that you've heard. Oh, Elon Musk, he's a fucking, you know, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Well, yeah, those are the successes. You don't know about the other, you know, million people that tried it and failed miserably,

Starting point is 01:28:40 lost their money and time and whatever. And it's a very difficult, very, very difficult path. Just like a lot of paths are. And some people are wise enough to realize they're not cut out for that path and they don't want that stress in their life. They'd rather spend that time instead of spinning their wheels trying to become something that they're not,

Starting point is 01:28:57 doing the tagline for this book, right? To Doug just pause it out there. How the Fred Factor, how passion in your work in life can turn the ordinary into extraordinary. Ooh. Dude, perceptions, everything. That's it, man, if you enjoy your job,

Starting point is 01:29:11 like why should you feel like insecure about that? Like it's like enjoy that. You know, you found a job that drives you. I think that people just like, who cares about the social stigmas? Or like, you know, like you mentioned with trade schools and like I, I was honestly like thinking and debating that and that was one thing. My main motivation to go to college was just because of the proof of point and that like,

Starting point is 01:29:33 thinking back like how stupid, right? Like I could have easily just done like something that I was good at. I was definitely good at working with my hands and like that was a passion of mine at the time, you know, but I mean, I wouldn't trade anything for the world for how everything ended up, but at the same time, that's totally like a valuable skill that I was taught and would have loved to develop it further. And I think that people,

Starting point is 01:29:58 I think that that type of a thing with having a skill again is gonna be so valuable in the future. It's not what you work, it's how you work. You know, what you do is not that big of a thing with having a skill again is going to be so valuable in the future. It's not what you work, it's how you work. Yeah. You know, how you do is not that big of a deal. It's how you do it. I think that's what's important. So, in happiness and success, you know who defines that, by the way, in real life, you

Starting point is 01:30:16 know, define success, you do. You define your success. You may find your success living in a motor home and having odd jobs and having very, very little material possessions or things that tie you down. Or things that tie you down and you travel around and you learn things and you meditate all day or whatever. And that's your vision of success.

Starting point is 01:30:41 You may also be a business tycoon who's making hundreds of millions and dollars and you're fulfilled and you enjoy what you do. And that's your vision of success. You may want to be a stay at home parent and you're you find pleasure and fulfillment in raising your kids or running the house or whatever. That's your version of success. That's pretty much the bottom fucking line. It really doesn't matter any other way. Now, the problem that I have with people is when people are miserable decide that they don't wanna do anything about it,

Starting point is 01:31:14 and Rad would rather just sit there and complain and be jealous of other people. That's when I have a pro. Those are the ones I don't like. Those are the ones that I are getting lumped into our category. Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, like you said,

Starting point is 01:31:24 because everyone who was an Instagram handle now is considered an entrepreneur. Yeah. You're a god. That's my problem. That's when I have an issue when somebody's doing something and you know, it's obviously their choice to do it, but they decided that they don't,

Starting point is 01:31:37 they're gonna fucking complain about it. They're gonna hate about it. And not only that, but they're gonna hate other people. Or I should have got that job. Yeah, and this entitlement. Yeah, I had this experience and perception is everything, I'll tell you what, I had several of these experiences

Starting point is 01:31:50 where I was in a situation where I was miserable, and then I kind of reevaluated, like here's a good example, I was driving somewhere with my kids, and Jessica, we were going somewhere, and we were stuck in the worst traffic I've ever been stuck in my life. We were supposed to be somewhere that took,

Starting point is 01:32:08 supposed to be take two hours, took us six hours to get there. And we were stuck in traffic, and of course you're with kids and blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever, and I was just angry. I was just pissed off the whole time. And Jessica looks at me and she goes, look, she goes, we're driving to be somewhere

Starting point is 01:32:25 so that we could be together as a family. We're right now together as a family. We're just in a car. And it was like a light bulb went off. And I was like, why am I angry? Why am I choosing to perceive this as such a negative thing? And it totally changed. Same thing is true for doing things around the house.

Starting point is 01:32:45 I never did anything around the house. And when I finally made the realization, that way, I live here too, what's the big deal? And then I started doing them. I started finding pleasure in doing them and finding that I could meditate what I did them or listen to music while I did them or whatever. It no longer became an issue.

Starting point is 01:32:59 And so I think there's a lot of that stigma of like, oh, I'm supposed to be making this much money. I'm supposed to be an entrepreneur. I'm supposed to be making this much money, I'm supposed to be an entrepreneur, I'm supposed to be doing these other things, and you know, listening to other people too much. I mean, I had the same sort of experience as far as like, I understand that the mundane things, like, why am I, as I'm doing it, why am I dreading this?

Starting point is 01:33:21 Obviously, I'm doing this right now. Like, why do I have to put all that extra shit on top of it? Why not just be like cool with it? Like I have to do it anyways. Or get the fuck out. Yeah. Say you don't like it, you want to be a part of it. Just be like no, and like draw a line

Starting point is 01:33:36 or just stop bitching about it. That's it. What is it? It's usually, the thing is never as bad as the thing thinking about the thing or the thoughts about that thing. That's usually, not always, of as bad as the thing, thinking about the thing or the thoughts about that thing. That's usually, not always, of course,

Starting point is 01:33:46 just terrible shit that happens, but many times, you know, that's the case. So, no, you're not lame, man. You like working a normal job, whatever the hell that means. I don't know what it is. I know what it is. That's pretty big. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

Starting point is 01:33:58 what is a normal job now, it is. Let's look at this page right now. But it's very cool, Alan, I'm gonna look up. I'm gonna look you up. Very cool. Alan, see how cool. Let's see. Before we sign off here, let me see if I can co-sign for how. I know.

Starting point is 01:34:10 Very, we see what Alan's wearing. Very. I almost tell everything. Cool. Oh, there he is. He's just pulling up. Oh, you pulled him up. He's a, it doesn't say anything.

Starting point is 01:34:19 He's an Android, he likes calisthenics. He's a wannabe gymnast. Okay. Doesn't show. He just needs. He's wanna be gymnast, okay. Okay. Doesn't show. He's just gonna make it happen now. He's a young kid. The next American ninja. Oh, yeah, he's for you.

Starting point is 01:34:33 He's super young. No, you're not cool yet, bro. You can't be. You're too young. You will be cool. Cool takes a lot of practice. It takes a lot of time. Especially if you're a man.

Starting point is 01:34:43 You're pretty much a dork until you're like 30 or something. But if you own that you're a dork, that makes you cool. Or if you're a man, you're pretty much a dork until you're like 30 or something. But if you own that you're a dork, that means you're a salier still a dork. This is like, a salier secret weapon. Well, that's why I'm cool. So that's why I'm cool now, because I embrace it. Yeah, the senior you've raised it. Okay, so Alan, you could be salier cool right now,

Starting point is 01:34:59 but I think you got a lot, I think you got plenty of time ahead of you. He's not, because his name would be very dorky Alan. All right, and he says he's cool, so he's not. I don't see his name would be very dorky Allen. You know what I mean? And he says he's cool so he's not. I don't see his job though. I try to see what he did for Larry. Sorry, anyway.

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