Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 783: How to Build Impressive Obliques, Gauging Ideal Workout Intensity, Ways to Exercise Your Mind & MORE

Episode Date: June 1, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how to gauge the right level of intensity or resistance level when doing trigger sessions, favorite oblique exercises, what they do to exercise their minds and the downsides of a free market. Mind Pump takes their Everly Well testosterone tests. (3:40) Do the sponsors hate on the way the guys talk about their products?! Don’t piss off Taylor. (6:55) The Di Stefano household gets a dog! The guys share stories of their childhood pets. (10:07) Does monogamy reduce major social problems of polygamous cultures? Have the guys brought this topic up to their significant others? (14:47) Roseann canceled by ABC, new policies by NFL over kneeling during National Anthem, celebrities taking a stand, the guys go deep on racism in this country. How can we move forward, have the tough conversations and make progress? (19:40) Will the model of paying a monthly fee put other companies out of business? (46:40) Are masterminds bullshit?! The guys go there and sound off on their thoughts. (49:26) #Quah question #1 - How to gauge the right level of intensity or resistance level when doing trigger sessions? (1:01:48) #Quah question #2 – What are your favorite oblique exercises? (1:13:17) #Quah question #3 - What do you do to exercise your minds? 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, obite, ob with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Is this controversial? We got a little heated in this episode of Mined Putt in the beginning. I might lose a couple of followers. In the beginning, we did a 55-minute intro where we cover try to turn events and trim the fat right now Here's what we talked about in the first 55 minutes

We talked about the Everly well tests that we took These are the these are the hormone tests that we all took on testing our testosterone levels Yeah, lots of fingers right now lots of different hormone tests and tests we love Everly well by the the way, love them. We get a lot of people that listen over there, just to you guys know. Oh, we do.

Yeah, I don't know if you guys know really. Well, check this out. Awesome. If you go to EverlyWell.com, that's EV, E, R, L, Y, W, E, L, L, dot com, enter the code MindPump, you'll get 15% off any test. But we also talked about how MindPump typically handles our sponsors.

Yeah, don't tell us what to do. We also talked about how Mind Pump typically handles our sponsors. Yeah, don't tell us what to do. We also talked about my- Rebels. My kids new dog, Coco, he's a cute little guy. Talk about pets and health. The foofy foof. Polygamy and violence. Yeah, there's a connection there.

What? Rosanne got canceled. Then it got heated. We talked about the state of race relations in America and Colin Kaepernick. It gets touchy right here. And Adam's opinion on his approach, or should we say flawed approach,

and there may be a better way to improve race relations. We talked about the growing subscription model and the rise and we predict fall of masterminds. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, how do we gauge the right level of intensity or resistance level when doing trigger sessions? Look, we mentioned rubber bandets.

Actually, that's our preferred place to get bands to do things that first show. We have some on our website. They are on our website. I get a deal, so make sure you go through the link. Jackie will put it in the show notes. Yeah, just go to mindpumpmedia.com and then you can find them and click on them and you'll be able to do it.

Best in the business. The next question was, what are our favorite oblique exercises? And we're talking about oblique, the muscles of the oblique, not exercises that are weird. Yeah, so oblique. Exactly. The next question was, look, we're called mind pump,

but what do we actually do to exercise our brain? I feel like this is an insult. Yeah, like brain crunches. Yeah, we don't do much. The final question was, We just throw out all the time. The final question was that, I always talk about free markets and how awesome are they are.

What flaws do we see within the free market? This one might surprise you. Might not think that they're the, be all end all. Also, this is the final day. What? The last day. Final final. There's a final day. The day day.

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Waiting to get a couple of good nights sleep before I do it. I will make a prediction. I will predict that your testosterone is probably on the highest. The highest, yeah. I wouldn't doubt that. I hope you're right. Yeah, I can,

he's got a lot of shit bits built up in there, that's why. That's why. It's like a volcano. Yeah, that's right. The pros is ready to rush man. Oh my God. That test is gonna go, this is gonna go,

off the charts. If you get a phone call instead of an email. Yeah. That's the guy, it's a charts. If you get a phone call instead of an email. Yeah. It's like a novel. It's a doctor. You're a number. You need to let some of that testosterone out. You're the Mustang Ranch.

Did you do yours? I did mine. Yeah. So I just sent it off. So I'm curious to see what numbers I get back. So what did you woke up first thing in the morning? Woke up first thing in the morning. And then spit in that vial basically.

It took actually a while to spit in there. It was like, because you probably have dry mouth. Yeah, it was dry mouth and it was actually. And you can't count foam, because if you spit so as it gets so stupid, you have to actually be saliva. I was like, wow, it's just taking a lot,

to fill this thing up. That's like thinking about it. It was kind of weird. But yeah, no, so I filled it up and then I put it in the freezer and then the next day I sent it off. I can't wait to see what the numbers are and compare everybody's numbers in here and see what those look like. I thought yours would be backed by now.

It's only like a... It should be. I should have it back today. It's only a five day turnaround, right? Once they get it, it's around five days. I should have it back today. It's only, it's a five day turnaround, right? Once they get it, it's around five days. I still haven't gotten it. I should get it soon. And I said, I wanna compare it to what I did last year.

And last year I was under a lot of stress and I wasn't feeling as good as I am now. Don't make excuses. I know, right? I was just about to make some excuses. Well, no, no, last year I felt. I don't know if I was at my peak. Because at the end of the day,

I think the thing that we agree on this, right, with these tests, even no matter, because I know there's people that are like, oh, well, that's not exactly, of course it's not gonna be as accurate as going in the doctor, getting your blood work done and so with that, but it's pretty accurate. Yeah, well, no, it's pretty,

it's like comparing the hydrostatic, dunk tank to a skin fold, you know what I'm saying? Like, they are within a percentage, it will give you really, especially tank to a skin fold, you know, I'm saying like they are within a percentage. It will give you really, especially if you're using it as a tool to measure what you're doing, helping or not. For certain hormones, cortisol testosterone, and now the female health hormones, saliva tests are very accurate. And Everly Wells tests are, you know, among the best. So it is very, very accurate. Would you consider is it more accurate than blood? It's just as accurate. They have the same

range. Yeah. The reason why we get a baseline, right? That way that we can work with. What we're testing is we're testing free tests. So you don't get a total test. You don't get total test on this particular testosterone test. It shows you free test, which is, you know, that's really the important number because you could have high testosterone, but have so much of it be bound by it with sex binding globulin. But that sounds like what does it have then. Mate, what a lot of buying. A lot of binding globulin.

He's a really sick globulin. He's spreading out that globulin. Oh my God, that sounds gross. I know it does. But you know what I think, I think I liked it. Everly well is much cooler about us talking about their product than Roman Roman got all but heard about our why did it get so but yeah, you know, I don't know you know Taylor's I think they're happy now. No, they were happy. I hope so because it's not we're gonna flex on them, bro Yeah, I told Taylor that said fucking send their money back

We fucking that's not how we reroll like we're not gonna be Spitching things the way you want to have we're gonna try your shit We like your shit then we're gonna do something that's not how we reroll. Like, we're not gonna be pitching things the way you want. We're gonna try your shit, we like your shit, then we're gonna do something for you, and then we're gonna talk about it. And we did. And we're gonna talk about the same way I would talk about with my friends or anybody else.

I'm not gonna, you know, sell your shit, you know what I'm saying? No, no, they have a good, they have a really good way of delivering prescription medication. So it's really good. That's what we're talking about them. It is funny though, because we'll work with sponsors

and when they don't know us or know who we are, them. It is funny though, because we'll work with sponsors and when they don't know us or know who we are, how we operate, I should say, they'll always be like, okay, here's what you're gonna read. And we want 30 seconds in this spot. Yeah. And we basically go, yeah, no, we're gonna do exactly what you think Organifi said? Cool ideas. Do you think Organifi's not using them? Hey, talk about how our greed just increases seminal volume. No, that was my idea. Well, you know, it was completely, you know, after the fact, right? Because we don't even, this is how bad we are.

You know, all these companies, you guys don't even know this because they don't even bother wasting my time seeing it to you. I split every company that we work with, sends over like a whole thing of rules. And, you know, it has to be this, this long call to action. You know, and things like companies like Roman or these companies that deal with hormones and and pills like Viagra, shit like that.

They they can't they don't want you making jokes about it. It needs to be very it's about being professional and serious, which does not all medical. Yeah, does it go really well exactly why I made a joke. I'm such an asshole. Right. That's hilarious. Every time. We literally, I think I was reading back over it because, you know, they said something

to Taylor and Taylor was telling me, he's like, you'd be really proud of what I fucking handled this shit. I was like, good, dude, cuz he went off to. Yeah, he did. I was sitting in the room when he did it. Oh, you were it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Both of me and Justin were.

Oh, you guys were. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. It was almost as funny room when he did that. Oh, you were it. Yeah, yeah, you were. Both of me and Justin were. Oh, you guys were. Yeah, I didn't know that. It was almost as funny. He got all heated. Was it Adam Esk? It was, yes. A little bit. It was really.

Yeah, he's been hanging out with you too long. A little bit, dude. It was all I'd take it a year and a half of training. Bro, I almost jumped in. I almost jumped in. I almost like massage with shoulders. Yeah. Oh, this is going off.

You all fired up. Oh, I'm so probably a proud father right now. Taylor's gangster. Oh, I'm so probably a proud father right now. Taylor's gangster. Taylor's coming down the hammer. I feel like if you mess with one of his siblings, he'd probably kill someone. I mean, he's got that kind of gangsterness inside of him. Oh, yeah.

I mean, definitely. Didn't he lose his shit a little bit at the zoo culture? He did. Because someone said somebody was his brother. Yeah, I was just trying to work in. Like, where was brother was standing? Taylor, we got smashed. Everybody in there's

Actually, no, because Justin was there. Yeah Just a would have killed upset man. I don't know like I guess he's just not used to that culture and like people like barging Their way in and like being you know douchebags like that's just like gonna happen. You know it's a gym My boy runs hot, man, but yeah, he was he. He was on top. I saw him at his heated point. You know, he puts his hair up in a ponytail, you're fine. That's his call to war. He starts tying that shit up. You're fucking samurai.

I'm samurai. Exactly. You gotta be careful. Yeah, he's gonna slice him with his nine-hand. Hachah! Anyway, so I didn't tell you guys that my kids got a dog. Oh yeah, I told you guys that. You told me I didn't tell you guys that my kids got a dog. Oh yeah, I tell you guys that.

You told me I don't need to adjust them. It's a small little white cute one. I don't know what it is. I think it's like a poodle mix of some sort. Yeah, so I can't have, maybe when the hair grows back, because they got it from the pound and they had to trim down the hair because poor puppy or dog wasn't taking well care of wherever it was before. But I can't have dogs where I'm at

because the landlord won't allow dogs. So, can't stay with me, stays with my ex. But I help, you know, I'll help out, help take care of like if she travels and stuff like that. But what a great, God, it's so good for kids to have that. I can already see. Yeah, it's awesome.

Dude, dogs are so great. They teach you so many lessons. I mean, just with kids like responsibility, like, you know, making sure that they're taking care of, like, dude, and it's fucking tough at the same time. I mean, you just go through it, but yeah, the kids, like, oh, they love it, man, they get so attached. It's good for their health, too,

because studies will show that kids that grow up around pets have lower rates, significantly lower rates of autoimmune issues, allergies and health issues. They get exposed to all the bacteria and crazy dirt and dander. Yeah, it actually makes a decent difference. So it's like, it makes the case for having a pet in the house for health.

Wow, that's an interesting theory. Yeah, I've heard that too. It's not just a theory, it's confirmed consistently across studies, like people who grew up in urban areas have far more allergies and autoimmune issues than people who grew up on farms, people who have pets have less of those issues. And I think it's just your immune system

is just exposed to more everything, bacteria, fungus, whatever, dirt, dust, whatever. And it's healthy for your immune system to have some level of exposure, You know what I'm saying? But it's funny, I picked up the kids from school yesterday, brought them to the house because we had to check on the dog and my daughter's telling me all about what she's doing with Coco, that's the name of the dog. And she's like, we had so much fun and this dog super, super relaxed.

It's like the most chill dog of all time, which is perfect. Mine is not. Yeah, you're not. Your dog ate the table. It's fucking mad, man. Super relaxed is like the most chill dog of all time which is perfect might not You're dog ate the table It's a table you know you're not me have you like like a little wood chuck or like a fucking like a Grimland Why is this like a little Grimland that's mozzie bro. He'll choose like the corners the corners of the the stairwell and shit like That's hilarious, but anyway,, she's telling me stories about how, about what she was playing with, with the puppy. And she's like, and I got my barbies out.

And he was pretending to be the monster. And then Barbie was writing him. And I'm just picturing this poor dog. I mean, he's, oh, I guess. With a Barbie out of that. Yeah, and he's so relaxed. Like he let's do whatever. But he's probably thinking to the head like,

all right, listen, I'm gonna be cool because I just moved in. Dude, I laughed so hard. When kids incorporate the pets into their play and stuff, like when we had that lizard, I remember going downstairs and there was this whole track built, like for like a train.

And the kids were in there with the lizard on top of this little train and it's like, the thrill he's, and they're laughing and having a great old time. I was just like, you know, take that poor lizard off of that thing, man. It just looked like it was holding on for dear life. It was like, ah, fuck, somebody help me.

Yeah, yeah. That's hilarious. When we were younger, when we were kids, we had a little mixed dog. I don't know what it was, but his name was Limo. Don't ask me what else is Limo. My dad, before the Nimo time. He broke my dad's name.

My dad names dogs. I don't know where my dad comes up with the ideas of Nimo. For example, the very first dog I had when I was a kid was a pit bull. So it's a pit bull, right? So my dad named him pit. Pit. Pit.

My grandfather had a Chihuahua who named the dog Chihuahua. So this is just a big creative name. But I don't know where, I don't know where Limo came from. But anyway, my sister would come in. She's like, oh my God, I taught Limo to dance with me. She's like, come outside. So we're like, what? So we all go outside.

He puts his legs up on her leg and he's humping her. And she's like, yeah. Wow, he's a dancing machine. And my dad gets the hold of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a grinder. Yeah, ain't nothing wrong with a little, like that's all playing in that ground.

Yeah, my sister was so young, you know, she was like, you know, eight and she's like, why did you spray Lima? He's dancing. And I was like, no, don't dance with the dog. Do not dance with the dog. That's illegal.

Fucking Lima. He's the fuck, everything. So, I was reading that. I was reading that. Yeah, terrible dog. So I was reading this interesting article when I hear what you guys think about this. I did not know this science

and I did some research and there's a lot of study on this. Apparently monogamy where people pair up one guy, one girl traditionally, right, reduces major social problems in particular violence. So when they compare societies and cultures that have polygamy, so polygamous societies where men will marry more than one or have more than one mate, that contributes to or seems to contribute to violence. And when there's monogamy, there's less violence. Now the theory is, and this is by always is established, like anthropologists talk about this all the time, and it's only, and I know

it's established, I looked it up and I read several articles on it, and I guess the the it reduces crime, violence, poverty, all those things. And so a lot of anthropologists think that monogamy was the reason why we started to socially push for that was because we saw how much better it worked for society. And the theory is that- He's that or you're so miserable, you don't have the energy to fight. Yep. If you have five women, you're going to be five women. You might be way too much drama.

You might be more miserable. I just get, I'm cashing in. Fuck it. Yeah, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's not even worth the fight. That's not even worth the fight. Well, no, I'm casheted. Fuck it. Yeah, that's just, it's just, it's not even worth the fight. Not even worth the fight. Well, no, I look at it. It's a God.

No, thanks. Yeah. Too many, too many people coming down on me. But you know, they talk about it. And they think that it's because in societies that allow for polygamy, because there's always, every society has hierarchies, right? And some people have more resources and smarter

and all those other things and other people will be lower. That men will start to get all the, and because women are attracted to men on the hierarchy and men with resources, that they'll start to get lots of women and men that are lower on the hierarchy will get none. And this is a true statistic now. Men without a mate who are young, the rate of violence is so much higher amongst them

versus when they find a mate and they start being monogamous with someone, especially if they have a child. If a man has a child with someone and is together with that person, the rate of violence drops considerably. So, if you've got a bunch of single dudes or a bunch of dudes that can't get women because all the women are with, you know, that makes sense.

Then they tend to be violent. Yeah, that makes sense, right? It's fucked up. I think it's fucked up, you know? The kid part alone makes a big difference, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, your whole life chain, your whole purpose in life changes once that happens.

Do you know a man's testosterone level's drop after he has a foul? Did you know that? I can attest to that. Oh, man. a man's testosterone levels drop after he has a felt? Did you know that? I can attest to that. Or we'll see in our results with heavily well. Yeah. What that did to me.

I haven't checked since. But I don't know if they, I don't think they've separated out. Have either of you talked to your girls about the possibility of that? Of what? Polygamy? Polygamy?

I would not wanna do that. No. I mean'm I've asked like You know like what are thoughts aren't necessarily that you would do it or just like brought up a conversation of that right? Yeah, yeah, you know, what is what is what is Courtney say? Oh, no, she's like fuck. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah Yeah, she's not I try and convince You know once I do this month direction once every six months I bring it up when we bring it up I'm sure like that. I mean think of us like honey What if you picked the woman and every six months, I bring it up when we bring it up with a show like that. Like, I mean, think about it as like, honey, what if you picked the woman?

And she's like, she's like, well, what if we, I would get a gather guy then? Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I get to pick the guy. Well, okay, I think about it, you know what I'm saying? Like a best friend, a live and best friend. You just high five. Yeah, you know, say live and best friend who it's like,

when she's driving me crazy, bro, it's your turn. Oh, yeah. I hung out with her the last three days. She's driving me crazy, still like that. You go hang out with her, yeah. We'll meet up at the game tomorrow. You know what though? I think guys, come on.

I think guys think for polygamy, they think it's like, you just get to have sex with a bunch of women. No, you have a bunch of wives. Yeah, you have two or three wives. You want a bunch of wives. I gotta manage all that. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I watch this, one's not complex enough. You're gonna throw a bunch of other, and then here's the other thing, because I've seen documentaries on polygamy and I've read articles on it, and what tends to happen, you got, if you have three wives or four wives, they become friends.

They start to become friends and partners, and guess who they can't be. They can't be. They're inspired. Yeah, you're fucking outnumbered homey. Yeah, yeah. That's's soft at you. That's why it might be more to your advantage to have a living guy friend too.

That's working the other side. So you have someone to get your back a little bit. Say maybe you make some maybe make some rules. I don't know if I want to get my back. Just to be honest. You can you can figure that one out. Maybe he just makes some rules like all right,

you can't sleep with her, but you can cuddle with her. So after just makes some rules like, all right, you can't sleep with her, but you can cuddle with her. So after I have sex with her, you sleep downstairs, but I'll go watch the video. I'll use you and I need you. That's terrible. Oh, man. Did you guys see Rosanne got canceled?

Yes, that was a joke. And dude, what? I mean, why? You know what, she made some stupid racist, God, why did she do that? Because she's Roseanne. What the hell? She's crazy.

You know what, that's the big talk right now and the big, where I cannot believe that we're still talking about Colin Kaepernick and the NFL and making such a big fucking deal. You know, there's a, I was listening to talk show radio, radio talk show this morning sports and they're talking about the Colin Kaepernick thing. And it's so funny how we're, you know,

media is like targeting the NFL is like this, you know, white supremacist synates, it's like all this, all this shit, all this bad stuff on the NFL. First of all, the NBA has the exact same rules. People don't know that. Like they don't talk about it, but it's like they have the same goddamn rules. They just don't have, they haven't had to enforce it

or they haven't had any issue with it. So no one's pointing the finger at's like, they have the same goddamn rules. They just don't have, they haven't had to enforce it or they haven't had any issue with it, so no one's pointing the finger at them, so they have the same rules. And then to say that the organization is racist, it's just so crazy, I mean, the guy brought up some stats about like, you wanna talk about a, there's not a single other organization

that has made more black men multi-millionaires than the NFL. So, how could you sit there and say some shit like that? No, it's so ass backwards. I'm sure there's some, I'm sure there's racist people. Of course there is. There's everywhere everywhere. In churches, in schools, in big companies that we all love and use.

No, it's everywhere. Here's what they never get away from me. Here's what the NFL's guilty of. They're a business. That's it. And they want to make money. So you know why they're forcing them to stand for the national anthem? Like it's everywhere. Here's what never get away from it. Here's what the NFL's guilty of. They're a business. That's it. And they want to make money. So you know why they're forcing them to stand for the national anthem?

Because the same reason why it's getting fired. It's a business. It doesn't look good for our business. And we employ your ass. We write your fucking checks. See you later. We don't like that. We don't like racism.

We don't like that talk. So I was great as much as millions of viewers that want to watch you. Can we just agree we don't like racism and get back to football? Right. Can we do that? I don't know. I love that. You know what's funny on that tip with Colin Carpcap and it because he was doing it for

I guess police brutality and the way you know my nose get treated and all that stuff. And a lot of police departments have now been putting cameras on police officers, which I think is a great idea. I think that's a fantastic idea to have it be recorded so that we can actually see what's going on. And I, we talked about this actually a while ago. I think it was like a couple of years ago on an episode and I made a prediction. I said, I bet you more cops will be, we're going to, we're going

to realize that more, more of these complaints are actually bullshit than are, are actually real because I know, I know police officers, you know what the, I know, look, I watched one of these. Yes, literally yesterday on Facebook, it was somebody sending out like, it was a Yale student and somebody said that this these police officers were harassing this African American woman that's a Yale student and they were saying that and they were they were also working with this this white girl and the way they spoke to the the african-american lady was disrespected and I watched the whole thing and From the very get-go she was already kind of like an attitude with them and the irony was it was a black cop that was sitting there

Talking to her and everybody was like I can't believe that how racist this is there and I'm like this doesn't even it doesn't even add up It makes sense to me. Did you guys see that it went all over it went all over Facebook? The last couple days, but it so it to me. I don't know even though you see you see the videos like people are rising the cops like for every like if a cop demands or ask for something right away. I mean it reminds me that get out movie right like that That was a classic example of the girl who like starts defending her boyfriend right away when he gets pulled over. And he's like, did nothing happen? Yeah, he asked, no, you remember what happened in that scene? Yeah, I do.

Yeah, they hit a deer, right? And then the cop comes out and the cop is asking for the IDs and stuff like that. And she's like, why are you asking for his ID? He didn't do anything wrong. And it's like, well, I'm an accident just happened. Like I'm rolling up on a scene. It's part of our protocol to ask for everybody's IDs

just because he wasn't the driver doesn't mean I can't, you know, say anything. We're actually, we need to talk about this because racism is terrible. I think the vast majority of Americans 100% agree with that statement. And the evidence is clear in the sense that if a racist video surfaces, the reason why it

goes viral is literally because people find it abhorrent. People think it's disgusting. Right. Everybody's on board. And businesses and people suffer. If you're a public figure and you even hinted that just being called racist can destroy your career. You don't even have to do anything.

So people for the most part, you know, show those things. And if we look at the history of America, we've, we're not perfect by far. We have a lot of room to go. And I definitely think some, we don't have any outright racist laws anymore. That say specifically, like if you're black, if you're whatever, but we do have laws that affect minorities more than other people. Like in the main one is the war on drugs. And you know, we can always talk about that But attitudes towards race is you know in 1958

Only 5% Gallup poll showed only 5% of people Supported black and white people getting married. This was when they when they would poll black and white people right very Few people said we should get married 1958 today it's something like 97% think that it's not a big deal. That's a huge, and I know it sounds like a long time, but it really isn't when you look at the attitudes of. So we've made huge progress,

and what I like about cameras on cops is that it's objective, we can watch it and see what's going on, and you know what's happening in these police departments? More, more, less false accusations are being made, less racism accusations are being made because I think people are being filmed, they know they're being filmed. And so you see, you're actually seeing less of it. And so I can't bullshit.

And I appreciate that. I do think, however, you know, subconsciously, are there outright racist people? 100%. But I think there's a lot of subconscious racism that happens and I don't think it's necessarily, I don't like this person because of the skin color or not, I just think we stereotype based on how people look and you know, it's funny, I was at the gas station and this kid walks in the gas station, white kid

but he was, he had, he was tatted up to his neck. He was sagging his pants and, you know, he just, he looked like somebody you want to keep an eye on. And the guy, the gas station guy was keeping an eye on him. And I'm like, well, that's, that's also a form of, of stereotyping, right? Because of the way he's dressed, but he kind of, I mean, I don't know, can you blame the guy? Or is it, you know, it may be subconscious and everybody does it.

Black, white, Mexican, you know, Asian, we all stereotype people. So I don't think you can necessarily get rid of it. I think the right thing to do is be aware of it and keep putting social pressures on people to evolve and grow and point out real things. But it's interesting. I read an article on this by Thomas Soel, who's an African-American economist. He was a student under Milton Friedman from the School of Chicago. I love Thomas Soel

because, well, first off, I agree with his, the way he talks about economics, the very free market guy, but he's also super blunt, super objective, and he'll shut people down, and it doesn't matter if they're black, white, whatever, and he wrote an article on racism, and he was talking a lot about how the impacts that has and the impacts that it doesn't have today. And one thing that he said that was really fascinating, and a lot of people don't know this, is college educated black women, when you control for, you know,

how they grew up, two parent, household, all that stuff, out, they actually out-earn college educated white women. So they actually outperform white women. Before, there's some more interesting statistics. Before 1930, the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate. And not, and this is not a controversial thing to say, definitely more racist in the 1930s or before 1930s, and it was today. Right. And their unemployment was lower. The single, the single-parent household rate was one of the lowest in the country in in black families.

So I think that there's a lot of cultural thing that's going on in America that we that involve racism or maybe were influenced by racism, but now has become this like Cycle that we need to kind of get out of and it's hard to talk about because it's you either sound like you're apologized or you sound like you want apologizing because you're writing it or you sound like you're empathizing. Yeah, exactly. That's where it's a tough position to be because being a voice that's not within the same race, it's like how do we have a conversation

where we can all collectively figure this out. If it is, we're pointing it out. Like, okay, so now where do we go from here? How do we all meld and move forward together and make progress? It made with the thing about it that makes me upset because I'm one of the most anti-collectivist you'll ever find.

And collectivizing things versus individualism. Collectiveism is when you take a group based on something, and then you make general assumptions about them. So like we could say, men do this, women do this, or white people do this, or Christians do this, or whatever. And I understand that you can sometimes come out with generalizations, but generalizations completely dissolve when you look at the individual completely. Like I can say men, we have science to show that men generally do better on spatial skill testing and women tend to do better

on verbal skill testing. But if I take 10 random guys and 10 random women, I test them on individual basis, that can be all over the place. You can have a guy that totally tests the opposite and a woman that tests the opposite and just the way it is. And so I'm very anti-collectiveism

on all those types of things. And I think that one of the biggest problems with, it's fine to, and we should definitely point out racism when it happens and sexism and all the isms. We should definitely point them out. But giving them so much weight and power is very disempowering. Very disempowering. Like we have straight so far away from the individual and just judging by character,

you know, in each case, like regardless of background, you know, and like what, you know, where people are coming from, like who are you as a person? Are you a good person in society? Are you doing good things? Yeah, and I understand if you're a minority, you may be in a situation where, or if you're a woman or whatever, you may be in a situation where no one's gonna look at you as an individual

because they're gonna make that assumption. Yeah, based on your group. That's the tough thing, right? Now, I can eliminate that. What defines a minority in the United States anymore? It's a group that is not the majority. So if most people are men, then being a woman would be a minority.

If most people have... So, or able to be a minority, then? You can break it. That's the other thing, too, is you can break it down in all these small categories and you start to label people based off this. And what you're doing is you're actually creating a self-defeating cycle. So, if I'm a kid growing up today and I'm a minority and I don't care what group you want to put me in,

but I'm a minority. And I keep hearing how disadvantaged I am because of one factor being my race or my gender or my sexual preference or whatever, that I keep hearing that that one factor being my race or my gender or my sexual preference or whatever, that I keep hearing that that one factor is not only a factor but the factor, then I've disempowered myself in the sense that, I don't accept it. There's so many things I have control over. And if you take each person and you try to list

all the potential things that can influence whether or not they'll be successful. Everything from their actions to how they were brought up, to how much money they had, whether not they had two parents and whether they're good parents and what your race is and your sex is, and then of course how you receive these things, how do you view them? Because one guy may grow up poor and see it as a huge disadvantage. It crushes him. Another guy may grow up poor and look at it and say, I'm never going to be poor again and

be successful. So there's so many, there's an infinite number of things to play so much value or play so much importance on one and especially one that you can't control. I think it's kind of dangerous, you know what I mean? I think the conversation should be, it may be a disadvantage sometimes, but there's so many other things that you can control

that it's not gonna make a huge difference. Look at kids growing up, there is one factor that makes a big difference, and that's whether or not you grew up in a single parent household. It makes a big fucking difference, but is it a guarantee that you're gonna succeed and fail? No, man, I know plenty of people who grew up in single parent households that are incredibly successful at life,

and I know people who had two parents who grew up and they're fucking degenerates incredibly successful at life. And I know people who had two parents who grew up and they're fucking degenerates, you know? Yeah, I know. And that's one factor is stronger than anything that you can think of, by the way. You can pair anything, race, whatever. Single parent household or whether or not you had two parents at home,

that will predict better than anything, but it's still a shitty prediction all by itself. So it's just, you know, I don't know, it's just one of those things. But I do, like I said this before, I do appreciate people, you know, speaking their minds peacefully. So what Colin Kaepernick is doing is he's bringing up a conversation and conversations can get heated

and opinions can be polarizing, but it's a conversation. Yeah, I mean, as far as protesting, it was successful on that end, right? Like getting people to talk about it and using the platform. I feel like I can argue the other direction too, because it divides us too, man. Well, yeah, because then you get these two camps. They feel strongly about it. There's somebody who identifies completely with him and feels so passionate and strong about it that they're going to argue and yell at racism and it's bullshit. Then you have the other side. You have someone like me who

sees it and like, this is ridiculous. This is so stupid the way we're handling this and we're doing this. And then you just see these two camps going back and forth at each other. And arguably both camps have good arguments on it, but I don't think it's healthy all the time. But he's presenting a problem that now, like the conflict is in trying to resolve. You're trying to bring awareness to something that, I don't think you can resolve. Well, I don't think there's not awareness there.

You know what I'm saying? This is, we live in a time now where information travels so fast, your feeds are going constantly in Facebook and Instagram. Are you really by kneeling down over a cause like are you really bringing awareness to that? Are you I don't know I think what he's doing a very few people I know that are talking about that issue or talking anything to do that It's all about the NFL and the NFL racist and should they let him go or he could be playing in the NFL right now Because he's still that good and now the teams won't let him play or some shit. It's turned into this whole other thing and then people taking sides and like,

is it really, is it by talking about it? Is it really healthy? Is it really good? I don't necessarily subscribe to that. I don't know, I think it's always good to, I don't know if the conversation is good, but I think it's always good to have a conversation. Yeah, that's what I think.

I think it's just healthy having a conversation about it. If people feel like a certain way about it, then conversation and protesting two of things. I think he could easily wrote a blog or written something about his opinions about something like that. I think his approach could have been better. Oh, 100% his approach could have been better. I mean, wearing socks with cops in uniform that are pigs

and doing things and then when you know your job requires that you stand for the national Choosing not to like are you kidding me? Like that's the way you make a stand and then and I know there's people that are listening right now that are going like oh That he would have not got attention if you didn't do that. Well, yeah, you know what you got the attention And you got a lot of fucking bad attention and you've caused a division amongst a lot of people. Here's why I think conversations are a good thing because whenever you see, especially in a free society, whenever you see violence erupt, it's usually because there's a lack, people feel like they're not being heard or addressed. So it's like, it's the language of people who feel like they're silenced. It's

an explosion of communication, but through physical, violent means. So conversations like this, although they can turn into violence sometimes, my belief is that they actually reduce it, because it comes out with words and people fight and argue and see, I disagree. And especially when you have somebody who, like Colin Kaepernick who I think is an idiot. I think doing something like this is I think it and because he's got a lot of pool and a lot of fame, he now could win more people on his side and his opinion even though it's not correct. That's why I don't have I don't like when celebrities make these types of stances where they think they're doing a lot of good, a lot of the time.

And there's, and not all of them, there's some that make good stands and I think that there's a good conversation to be had. So I'm obviously over generalizing all famous people, but I would argue that a majority of the famous people that make these types of stands do more harm than they do fucking good, because a lot of them aren't educated in what the fuck they're talking about. And all they end up doing is getting a bunch of people that are die hard, cavernic fans, that now think the NFL's racist.

You know what I'm saying? Because I'm a cavernic fan, who cares about what he's really talking about? I don't think they could have been a better representative. Fuck yeah, say could have issue. You know, and brought to light in a different fashion that would have been more on the intellectual level

as far as instead of just being making it a divisive stand of like, you're the with me or against me. It's tough, but again, it brings a conversation. I do. Somebody DM me yesterday. I'm trying to find it for you guys to see this because I fucking threw up in my mouth. He sends me a picture and it's a really artistic neat looking drawing. And it's a picture of Colin Kaepernick, but it's not his head.

It's Martin Luther King's head. And it's like it's comparing Kaepernick to Martin Luther King. What Martin Luther King did, that's totally fucking different. It was well thought out of peaceful March yet. That's the thing. It's just a different, it's a different process that went into it. In the, in the, you know, in the spirit of Martin Luther King, he is doing a peaceful protest. So that's good. But I will say this just to back you up at him. Here's my, here's why I don't listen to

Colin Kaepernick. You know, what he's doing right now with the kneeling and a lot of stuff and talking about police brutality. Like I've heard enough people talk about it. Say, okay, there's a problem. But what I lost respect for him when I saw him sitting in a press conference wearing a Cheg Guevara shirt this this is a this was hey. Yeah, this was a guy who slaughtered people Who was not for freedom and who openly was racist against black people openly and gay people openly racist So I see someone like Colin Kaepernick wear her shirt or I saw Jay-Z, Jay-Z was fucking shirt and I know you're uneducated on that guy.

Why are you wearing a shirt? You don't even know that guy was racist? Like openly, wrote about, you know, black people as a racist person. So when I see that and then I see you protesting, yeah, I go, okay, you're just, I feel like you're just emotional and you feel power You know, you feel a lot of passion about something and you want to speak out. It's it's you got to it's ego driven Yeah, it's ego driven. It's I want I want to that's why I don't like it You know, I'm saying there's a million things that we can do in this world to

To help others and to lift other people up and to bring awareness to things and there's, and there's so many good people that nobody talk about. There's so many people that we don't, that are in the NFL, that are in the NBA, that are actors and actresses that are doing fucking good work, that are really changing lives, saving lives and doing things and bringing us together as a nation. Nobody's talking about them. But when someone like Colin Kaepernick goes out and he's, he'll be attention. Yeah, he'll be attention. Yeah, he'll be down on TV. It's to get attention and stuff like that, like, not. And everyone's like, oh, it brought awareness to a conversation that we should talk about. Get the fuck out of here with that.

Like, that is not it all, dude. What I see is what the backlash for the last year, and I've seen the last year, the race topic and the division between black and white again, get worse. We look like we took something that we've been stepping forward for the last 50 years, like you brought up, Sal, it looks like we took five steps backwards now. It's ridiculous.

It might feel like that, statistically speaking, we haven't, it's statistically speaking, again, America as it sounds, and again, you gotta also understand, people who are listening from other countries, our news tends to be world news i notice my travel other countries i don't see other countries news on our on our channels but i see our shit pop up on other people's TVs

and it's always the bad shit and so people have this impression that you know america's a scary you know dangerous racist place we're the least racist country in the world and this is done i mean look statistics that the the polls show it consistently we allow the most immigrants. We have, we're definitely still a melting pot. People's attitudes towards other people, of other religions and races and whatever.

We still rank extremely high and it's not perfect, but boy, do we progress at an incredibly rapid rate? Right, which I think. And one of the best things you could do is this here. Look, if you're somebody who's like, I'm against stereotyping people, I'm against discrimination. Look, I'll give you an example. I was watching a movie last night

where these two kids are growing up and one kid's a nerd, one gets a jock, and the jock kind of picks on the nerd or whatever. Then they get a little older and they both go in the police academy together. And the jock guy does great on the physical test the nerd does good on the on the on the testing part and so now they look at each other like hey let's work together and be friends and then they end to becoming best friends. And I'm watching this and I'm like you know what that's what what that's an example of that's an example of people voluntarily working together. working together in their best interest and becoming friends as a result like the nerd needed the help with from the jock for the physical part the jock needed the nerd's help

with the written tests and they both became best friends in this movie and this is actually a very Realistic honest representation of how people tend to work together and there's nothing in the world That's ever proven proven to bring people together like open markets. Like if you let markets be open, it's gonna be expensive to be racist. It's gonna be expensive to be sexist. It's gonna cost you a lot of money to be an asshole.

And what people tend to do is they tend to work together. And then once you start working, cause here's a deal, if you expose, you find a racist person and you expose them to the race that they hate and you have like a real racist person. That fake race. No, no, like we gotta fake news racist person. Have them work together for a while.

It starts to change their mind. It might not completely change their mind, but to the point where they stop hating each other. And this is just what ends up happening. You take, you know, take, you know, white and black kids or bexy kids or whatever, put them all together, have them work together, have them grew up together, and they may start off stereotyping each other, but then they become friends and look at people in this kind of.

There's a really easy example or really easy way to break down why somebody is racist. It's very obvious. Well, it's ignorant to their own patterns that they've developed over time. Which is a model to them. Right, so I mean, if you take somebody and we'll lay off the black and white thing so much as we can hit that, because it could be anything else.

Let's just say that in my lifetime, the I've totally, I've met and spoke to only 10 Asian people, 10, that's it, my entire life. And out of the 10, eight of them said something rude to me or mean to me and offended me. So in my mind, you're not gonna be able to convince me in my mind that a majority of them are not mean or bad people because that was my experience.

And I had enough, right? I had 10. I had enough experience where I could go at the average, like most all, like in fact it's rare that I meet one that's nice, that's cool or whatever. But what makes people racist is the ignorance, like you said, to that fact that I just happened to meet,

all the 10 people I meet are bad people or the eight to the 10 people I mean are bad people. And it's just, that happens all the time to people, all the 10 people I meet are bad people or the eight of the 10 people I mean are bad people and it's just that happens all the time to people all the time They just they happen to run into or have bad experiences with whatever race it may be and so then they just group I think they group I mean I've literally seen that growing up like certain Friends of mine that I've had that I knew I knew that they had this like racist like back like you could just feel that they had this sort of like a you know undertone undertone behind like their thought process because I did I saw like a kid get picked on you know by another race of people that would like and then he just like constantly just got like picked on all the time and so you just built this idea up that like that, that's how it is, you know.

And so you just like. And it's not even your fault, it's your brain. That's how your brain works. Your brain is looking, using the eyes to download this information. It doesn't, it's not say, it doesn't really. It creates shortcuts. Yeah, it does shortcuts.

It's that your skin color is this, your eyes are this, this tall, you're wearing, yeah, it's like your dress, your tattoos are no tattoos. And it's, boom, it goes stuck. Now, it's stuck in your brain, that happens a second time, a third time, and a big part of that is what we see in advertising, what we see on television, what we hear in music,

and I'm gonna say this right now, if you want a better representation for, because that makes a difference, it does. If you're a kid growing up in every representation of a race is uh, you know, dangerous or you know, not smart or you know, whatever. If every representation you see of that on TV is poor and you don't have a lot of experience outside of that, you tend to you start to develop this

opinion subconscious or consciously. And if you don't like that, if you're watching TV and you don't like that, you don't like these representations, stop giving them money, stop paying them money. Because I look at how some cultures are represented in America, and look, I hate to say it, but some of them don't have good role models. Like if your role model is a fucking dude that's talking about, is objectifying women, is glamor's, you know, talking about, it's objectifying women is glamorizing, you know, drugs and sex and talking shit and you don't have any representatives

or role models in media that are doing anything else, you can start to self-identify like that or you can start to think that way about other people. Stop giving them fucking money when they do this and start paying other people who maybe are, you know, give a better, you know, representation of what you think. And it's just, you know, again, that's, it's kind of driven by the market and definitely, of course, it definitely plays a role. Like dude, speaking of markets and shifting away from something less polarizing. Thank you. So we talked about a while back. I don't know if you guys remember we brought, I don't know if who brought it up. It might I don't know if it would have brought it up.

It might have been me, it might have been Justin or you, so I don't know. But we talked about the, just know the movie past was a big hit, the where you 999 and then you got unlimited movies to go to any theater. Yeah. Well, no, so I think to each theater has their own little

EFT, a big deal. Yeah, that's a big thing that's happened in the last year. So it was like this great, really nice. So 9 999 dude, and then you can go to unlimited movies so I guess like it went gangbusters and It did so well, but we're freaking out because losing money. This is like that airline Thing exactly exactly like that. So that's what everyone's jumping on board doing it And yeah, yeah people who used to go to the movies once a month, go to the movies seven times now

because they got fucking, it's no brainer. Yeah, why wouldn't you? Because once you go one time, it's already pretty much paid for itself. So then every other time you're going the rest of the month is do they cancel it? No, as far as I know, it's still going. I don't know how they're gonna-

I don't know how they're gonna- They probably raise the rates for that if they keep it. This model seems to be the model that a lot of people are moving towards, this pay monthly model and have access. Like, we have like some of our sponsors do, it's like, Butcherbox does this and you know, you had the dollar shave club or whatever. That was, I think one of the first ones to do it.

It's like, this is becoming the model where you pay a small fee every month to have access or to get, you know, This is becoming the model where you pay a small fee every month to have access or to get a product versus paying a big fee every time you want to use it. It's kind of interesting. I don't know if it's, do you think there's gonna be backlash to it?

Or do you think that that's the direction? We've been conditioned for that because of like credit cards and stuff. That's what I'm thinking too. I'm thinking we're kind of consumers are already sort of conditioned. What do you think is going to happen potentially? Well, I don't, this model of, you know, pay a monthly fee and then have access versus like paying each time.

Yeah. It seems to be the model that's growing with a lot of, you know, companies where instead of buying, like I said, with butcher box, like instead of buying each time, pay monthly and then they deliver it. Yeah. Or, you know, the dollar shave club pay a fee. Because it convenience factor to it, but then you start, when you start like going over your numbers and everything at the end of the year and you're like, I need to cut this out and then they make it like super difficult to get out of these.

Yeah, a lot of them do. Yeah, I think the smarter ones will, well, the smarter ones won't. Yeah, they'll offer all a cart too. You know what I'm saying? You'll have both options. You'll have the ability to do a downgrade, whatever it was. Like I've seen some people do that with like offerings, like you have, you know, you can actually scale back a little bit.

It's like dollar-shape club. I don't need them like that frequently. So I can like do like every other month or whatever. So you know, talk about the things that we, the models that we see growing really fast. And I think there'll be a backlash at some point. It seems to me, and I'm sure some, I know some are great and some are bad.

So I'm not saying, I'm not passing my opinion generally. But this whole like build influence and then create these, you know, influence or grow your natural mind. You're gonna go here right now. Dude. Everybody's fucking doing it. And I predict the backlash coming at some point. Oh, man. Everybody's fucking doing it and I predict the backlash coming at some point.

Oh, man. Everybody's doing it. I thought we're gonna be nice for a while. I know. I was gonna bring it up later. Alright, bro, it's here though. Let's get it. Let's tear it up. I think that everybody's doing it right? Like a bunch of followers. It's a formula. Charge a thousand to ten thousand dollars. Come to my group. We teach you how to do whatever, you know, and it's everybody's doing it now. And when I start to see that happen, I know that, oh, it's gonna super saturated. Yeah, it's gonna reverse on itself. Well, some are, some are terrible. I'm sure.

Well, what, what we know is this and I'm, it depends on the value you're getting. The people that are going to these things that are paying the five to 10,000 for these mastermind groups. And that's okay. I think there's, there's some of them are a lot more than that. Oh yeah, I know you I mean the bigger the name the person is the higher they charge, you know, so I know the the small influencers that are get a few hundred thousand followers are getting away with charging people one to three to five thousand dollars for their mastermind group and then your bigger people that have got 500 to a million plus followers are charging upwards to 30, 40, $40,000 or some more than that even a year to be a part of these mastermind groups.

Now, granted, I think there's some value to some of these guys and girls that are doing this that have built some really big businesses and that there's some of them. I'll use someone like Bejo's, for example, and I've never taken his mastermind. I don't know anything really about it, but I could see some value in a guy like this who's been in a space for 20 something years who's built multiple multi-million dollar business. I mean, that guy's got a lot to say.

Now, I think he covers a lot of the stuff that you probably would want via his podcast, his Instagram, his Facebook lives. I mean, the guy puts out a ton of the stuff that you probably would want via his podcast, his Instagram, his Facebook lives. I mean, the guy puts out a ton of free content, but these people, everybody else is following this model. And what we know is that it's like water down the further out you know. There's an 80-20 rule no matter what, right? So there's already an 80-20 rule.

And what you're finding is some of these ones that are running these kind of cheesy mastermind groups, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like a 90-10 split. And 80-20 meaning that 80% of these people aren't going to get shit from it. Aren't going to turn their business into a 7, 8, or a 90 figure business because the bottom line is they don't have what it takes to even make a 6 figure business right now. So you've got to know, so you gotta learn to crawl before you run for damn sure, you know, you gotta learn to crawl before you walk and you've got these people.

It just, yeah, reminds me a little bit, it's kind of an antiquated sort of like an idea, like a system to make money. So like it reminds me of when a lot of these people used to host like workshops and certifications and seminars that like, you could only get this exclusive information. If you like show up here and you have to pay like a handsome fee to get it.

To where these days, like that information is accessible. So accessible. All righty. So like for you to hoard it and then charge like a premium for it to me sounds like. That's like, wait, here's why it's growing. Because you either have things tend to grow in a market, either because the consumers demand a lot of it,

or because producers catch on to an opportunity, and then flood the market. And so when that happens, you see a bubble and then it tends to pop, right? So an example of that would be like curves. Curves exploded, there was a lot of consumer demand, but then you had a lot of fitness, you know, or people who had nothing to do with fitness, they're not any about fitness. We're like, oh shit, there's an easy way to make money. Let's open

up a bunch of locations. And then they, you know, they lost the shit ton of money because they, all these places close. What I think that's happening with these masterminds is this, when you go to some of these masterminds, especially some of the early masterminds, what they teach you to do is how to start your own mastermind. That's what's happening, that's what's happening. Then you leave and you start your own mastermind, and that's why we're seeing so many of them, because you're going to these to learn how to create

and start your own, and it's an easy way, or at least they're selling it as an easy way to make money, because, hey, Mr. Influencer, do you think you could fill this room with 30 people who are gonna pay you? I don't know, $2000. This might be the Lewis House effect. I'm gonna call it, dude.

I think it's the Lewis House. It's a blueprint that somebody started. Well, he was one of the original gangsters with this because he started with LinkedIn. He was the first to do it with LinkedIn. Talked about it on this show. Yeah, he openly discussed it and showed the model. And, you know, I think it's brilliant what he did. And

I think, and now he's now pivoted that into teaching others how to do the same thing. And I know that he's got a pretty full mastermind group, probably 90% of the time. And so you got all these little micro influencers that are now running out and doing the same thing too. And it's just, it's like a pyramid scheme. It's like a big pyramid scheme, just different. And it's unfortunate because a lot of the people that are paying the money to get into these things

are reaching for that secret thing. Like what is it that I don't have? It's like the steroids of building muscle, you know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, if I buy this, if I do this, I'm going to be fucking ripped. You know, if I do this, I'm going to be a part of it. Maybe that they just want to pay for access to this influence of this network. Yeah. Well, this is how these guys justify being okay with paying it. And we've seen this multiple times at these mastermind groups where, you know, if it's a seven figure,

eight figure mastermind group, that means everybody in that room is probably making six figures plus. So they've got the money to a four, 13, 15, $20,000, and they spend that money, and then you've got a group of 30 other men and women that are making good money, and that also have X amount of followers. Now, that in itself is valuable. Like that right there, like that's true. That's value will right there.

Just a network with people, which was very similar to what we created for free. With Meer, when we did, or excuse me with Dosis, when we did the Dosis event, that was organized as a brand launch for them to where we can introduce a bunch of major actors and NFL players and other influencers

that we know and business owners. Everybody in there is shaking a moving. And it was just a way to bring everybody together so they can network and hang out. There was no agenda, there was no handouts, there was no mind pump, anything. In fact, the only thing we did was I did a small little two minute talk, thinking everybody for coming and introducing the host and this and that and

doses, but otherwise, really the real value in those meetings is that ability to network with all these people. Yeah, I just like I said, I, it's becoming this formula where, hey, you want to make a million dollars. This is what you do, become an influencer, and then create a mastermind group, and then teach others how to create mastermind groups. And that is not a sustainable market-wise,

is not a sustainable form of a bubble. Yeah, there's definitely a bubble. Yeah, I think there's gonna be a little bit of a backlash. You know, it reminds me of, and I'm not comparing the two and saying the same in all aspects. And just one aspect, it reminds me of multi-level marketing, where...

That's what I'm saying, I know. Multi-level marketing at one point 20 or 30 years ago was some people were making money and they're like, hey, this is an easy way to make money. And so it just exploded. And now it's a dirty word to say multi-level marketing or that kind of, it's like, it's kind of like, oh, you're from, you do MLM.

I don't want to talk to you. In fact, if someone approaches you with an MLM prospect, they usually will not even say that word to you until much later or if you ask. Like if you ask, is this MLM they'll be like, well yeah, yeah, I can't do it. No, because even in those groups, they're taught. They're taught how to overcome all the objections

and avoid them calling you out on the, yeah, terrible dude. Yeah, I think they're gonna, we're gonna see a backlash. Yeah, they feel I think they're, I think they're gonna... We're gonna see a backlash. Yeah, they feel like it. I, again, I think they're, I think there are some... I don't know any that are shitty. I know of a, I've never been in a lot, any of them,

but I know some people that run them. But, listen, there's some, there's some mine. There's some mines that we've had the privilege to hang out and meet with, that if I didn't have the access that we have because of the show, that I could see myself considering paying money to have access to their brain for a day for 12 hours

where I could ask business type questions. But I'd tell you what, to fork out that kind of money, it better damn well be somebody who's got a proven track record of some shit that I really want to learn that I just can't piece together myself or access or Google online somewhere. That's the thing. Yeah, I think it definitely was important, you know, maybe five years ago.

It's just, I just don't see that like being like that important to really like dive into just one individual versus like so much information that's out there that you just have to do the fucking research. Yeah, I saw first hand, Doug and I saw the whole process of making money through masterminds because we went, when I created maps, we wanted to learn, really learn how to advertise it online. So we would go to these courses and at these courses, when they teach you about online marketing, you would have people come up and speak about their product that helps you, and then of course they try and sell it, and some of them would sell these mastermind groups.

And so they're up there selling these masterminds, and then they teach, they would talk about how you could create your own mastermind, and this was in the internet marketing world. Now we're starting to see it bleed over in the fitness, and so it's grown quite a bit, but there was this lady that we hired from one of these groups who everybody louded and said she was like oh she's so great at internet marketing she's the best and they they called her the queen of spam back and when internet spam was first created she figured it out all that stuff so we paid her a lot of money to do online advertising for and fucking shit we got shit for it I think, did we end up getting a refund?

Doug, for we didn't. We still didn't get a refund. Awesome, what's her name? Let's give her a nice little shout out. I put it out of my memory. You forgot her name? Okay, well, hopefully I'll find her name because I'd like to give her a nice shout out

because she still didn't give us a refund. Fucking ripped us off garbage. Barely give us anything that we asked for. And I was like, oh shit, this is totally, that's why these people are on the fucking stand. That's why these people are on, here's a deal too. Like I'm not saying that I wouldn't potentially do to some sort of a mass-mangre.

But I told you guys, the only way I would even consider it is if I was getting flooded so much that we couldn't hold the amount of people in a space that I have to turn down so many people. So it's like, okay, we're gonna charge just so we can sort of limit the amount of people in a space that I have to turn down so many people so it's like, okay, we're going to charge just so we can sort of limit the amount of people coming to these things because we just can't fit that many people in this room. I'm not going to shell out $10,000 to rent a place to give out free information. Like, we got at least cover our cost here. That's how I would do a mastermind because and I don't want to do one until I've prove, I don't, until we've

proven a model so well that people are like, I got to know how the hell you guys did that. How did you do this? How did you do it? I pay whatever cost to get into that. Then I can see people considering like responding to the need for it, but people are going out there and they're creating that as a way to make money and then it turns into a hustle where they're constantly trying to fill it in.

Is that her name? Is that the best? Laura better than me. Oh, you bitch, you ripped us off. Oh, you bitch. Direct Martin, you know what's funny? She, hey, listen, I gave her an opportunity. We gave her many opportunities to refund us. Totally forgot about this conversation, bro.

Sal's been waiting for that. I'm gonna wait till we, I'm gonna wait till we build mine, but I've told her we got some fucking serious pool. You know what? And I want to fucking dump this bitch. I can guarantee you this woman still sells that she can do this and whatever and she's the whatever What was your name again throw salt one more time Laura better betterly? Yeah, Laura betterly. Yeah, she is do betterly This quaz brought to you by organify for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition

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You know, we haven't talked about these in a while. And I think that likes this one. I see, I see more people overdoing it. Okay, wait, let me back up. If you're somebody who's been working out or training for years, you know, you tend to overdoing it? Okay, wait, let me back up. If you're somebody who's been working out or training for years, you tend to overdo it. You tend to want to put more work in because it's just by default,

we still have this cemented in our brains that intensity, intensity. The sore factor, like do I feel it? Yes. All that kind of stuff. It's not going to serve you well with trigger sessions. So I think we first need to explain what a trigger session is just in case someone listening

right now doesn't know what that is. So trigger session, that's a term that we coined a while ago. And essentially what it is is on your off days. So this is not your main workout. So your main workout, you definitely want to go hard, you definitely want to use intensity. But on the days off and between, you use light weights or bands, which we highly recommend using bands, and I'll explain why in a second, but you use bands to do very light exercise

on areas of your body that you want to bring up. And the goal of a trigger session is not to work out super hard, not to have crazy sweat and all that stuff. You just wanna get a little bit of a pump, you to get a little bit of a burn in the muscle, you want to feel the muscle working. And what you're doing with the trigger session is your maintaining the muscle building signal that you sent the day before with your hard workout. Because when you workout really hard, you send this muscle building signal and think of it like a meter. Like you, the meter now is up at 10 with that hard workout.

Well, after you're done, the day after, that shit starts to drop, even if you're sore. And so the goal of a trigger session is just to keep it higher on the days off so that your body wants to build muscle. You're just programming that as a priority, that specific movement, that specific movement that specific skill like you know You want to pattern that sequence so that way, you know your body just keeps responding like oh, we need to keep building Yes

And the more frequent the better so a trigger session is Maybe eight to ten minutes long. They're short and you want to do them several times a day So like if yesterday was Monday and I did really heavy, you know, workout, let's say I trained my chest and my shoulders really hard. But those are areas that I really want to bring up. And now today, the day after, my chest and shoulders are sore and I had a good workout, but I want to maintain a good muscle building signal. Then I'll do some really light trigger sessions for my chest and shoulders and I'll do it several times a day. And it's recuperative. And I am, yeah, I'm not exaggerating.

They sound silly or whatever, you know, get a little pump, you know, three times a day on your off days, they make a huge difference. You'll be able to tell within a week of applying. I picked this question because I remember way back when we first started and I was going through this whole transformation thing that you guys challenged me with. And that was a big sort of awakening thing for me because it

was addressing that underlying over intensity that I was applying to all my workouts all the time constantly. And so I was describing what I was doing with the rubber bands even to you guys and realizing right away like, oh shit, like I still was going over, you were trying to do a workout. I was trying to make it into like a workout workout, you know? And so to really recondition the way I thought about how to use that and think more about recovery and think more about, you know, just stimulating,

you know, the muscles by doing this as opposed to just like, you know, breaking it down. That's why I thought I think that if you're somebody who already kind of works out more than likely, you're going to probably lean towards overdoing it. So back off, you know, like, I'm just chasing a pump. And one of the ways to limit yourself from doing too much damage is use the lightest band. Like we have a, we have bands that we sell on our website and it's got an orange or red and a gray band in there, and the orange one's really light and easy.

So for trigger sessions, I'm only using the orange one. I mean, so the reps I'm doing are 20 to 30 reps each round. Just get a pump. Yeah, so I go, I basically just do a little circuit on my body and I'm doing 25 to 30. I'm just going from each muscle group with no rest in between. And I come back around two, maybe three times tops. And that's normally enough to get a little minor pump. And I'm doing such high repetitions that I'm not gonna get really sore from it.

And then I move on. That's it. And bands do create less damage. Now, I'm not quite sure why. I think part of it has to do with the fact that the strength curve, right, with the variable resistance. Yeah, and the negative, the negative isn't as heavy, right?

It's hardest when it's fully stretched out, but as you lower... It decreases. Yeah, and when you apply a lot of resistance on the negative portion of your rep, especially as the muscle lengthens, you get more muscle damage typically. So rubber bands or bands tend to cause less damage. And look, anybody who's ever lifted with chains and bands attached to their weights will tell you, if you go really heavy with chains

or you go really heavy with bands, they both have progressive resistance, but bands just don't hammer your body as much. So they're perfect for trigger sessions. Plus, when you're doing a trigger session, it's only an eight minute, 10 minute session. Like you can go to the gym to do that. You want to do want to do it when you're at the office or at home and so bands just work better.

Now that being said, I do want to say that, and I used to talk about this back when I was going to the gym six, seven days a week and I know we have some really serious lifters that love to go to the gym every day. I loved going to, like, I'd still go to the gym on a trigger day, but now what I did on trigger days is I'd walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes or so, do some mobility work for 15 to 20 minutes, do a trigger session, that's a full workout day for me. And it keeps me in my pattern of, I go to the gym every day at three o'clock,

I go to the gym every day, and so I have this habit of like, that's my time to be working on myself, and then I just discipline myself to lay off the crazy weights. And on the trigger days, that's where more mobility and list type cardio focused. And so that's what I would do. So if you are somebody who likes to go to the gym, you know, you absolutely can do a trigger session at the gym.

And you can actually do the machines and cables. Yeah, machines, I do this with machines, cables, and even lightweight, like you don't necessarily have to use bands. Bands are just, I think a convenient tool, you can use it and you don't have to go to the gym to go do this trigger session, you can just do it at your house. Now the inspiration for trigger sessions came from

a few different places. One was, I had a friend of mine who had a brother who got out of prison. And his brother was, he was kind of into working out before he went into prison. And then when he came out, he's like, dude, my brother's jacked. Like, he's just like built all this muscle and he looks kind of crazy. And he went to, he went to prison for nine months. And so I'm like, you know, what did he do in there? Like did they like lift weights? And he goes, no, they didn't even have weights. They had access to the yard,

which included pull up bars and, you know, just body weight stuff. And he said, and I said, well, what about his diet? Like did he, like he goes, no, the diet was shit. Like they barely give him enough protein. He couldn't have any supplements. Obviously there's no anabolic steroids in there. And I'm like, well, what did his workouts look like?

And I say, oh, he worked out all the time. Literally, because he had nothing better to do. So three, four times a day, he'd do pushups and squats and pullups and whatever. And then I thought about that. I'm like, well, that is a very different approach from the beat the crap out of yourself, each body part once a week type of deal.

And I know that training my full body, three days a week is more successful than once, hitting each body part once a week type of deal. And I know that training my full body three days a week is more successful than once hitting each body part once a week. So I wonder if I can apply this. And I started thinking of other potential or other examples of this. And then I thought of my family. And I have a lot of blue collar workers in my family.

So in my family, it's like plumbers, stone workers. I have some male carriers in my family, and I started thinking about how their bodies were built, and the male carriers, for example, I have two uncles and an aunt that are male carriers. None of them work out. Every single one of them has amazing calves, but they've been male carriers for 20 years,

25 years, 30 years, so every every day they're part of their job, they're doing 30 to 50,000 or 100,000 steps because you're walking all over the place and their calves look incredible. Then I thought about my, you know, I had an uncle and a couple cousins who are mechanics and they're all in their 50s and 60s. Every single, none of them work out.

All of them have very muscular forearms and you start thinking about all the work that they do with their hands. And I thought to myself, I'm like, you know, they're not creating muscle damage. They've been doing this shit for 30 years. Like, sure, if you're a mechanic, the first six months you work with wrenches and shit, you're probably going to get sore hands and sore forearms. But after you do that shit for years, it's like breathing. And yet these guys literally had forearms that look like forearms you find on amateur bodybuilders. And so I started doing research and I started seeing that you do send muscle building signals independent of muscle damage.

And recovery, now I've talked about this several times, recovery is not the same thing as adaptation. Recovery is actually separate. So when you're sore and you're recovering, that doesn't mean necessarily you're adapting. And the evidence is clear when you realize you might have done this yourself if you're listening, you work out real hard, get sore, no more soreness, go back to the gym, work out real hard, get sore. And yet you don't improve.

And that just goes to show you that you can damage muscle and not get your body to adapt. And so I thought to myself, like, well, I wonder if we include triggers, if I did some small little pumping workouts on my days off, how would that work? It took me one week to realize that this shit was huge. Like within one week I did it, strength with up, was up, I felt leaner, I was building more muscle.

Doug at the time was my client, I had Doug test it, I had another client on my Ngym test it, I had some female trainers time was my client, I had Doug test it, I had another client of mine, Jim test it, I had some female trainers I know test it, and everybody started testing it, everybody came back and was like, this is the most significant, like little thing that I've ever done in my life, where I just add this one little thing

and I get this, you know, this crazy response. And you know, the thing is a lot of people who've done maps and a ballic, which is the one that uses trigger sessions. A lot of people who've done maps and a ballac, which is the one that uses trigger sessions. A lot of people who've done maps and a ballac, they don't do the trigger session part. And they get good results because they're phasing and it's a good workout.

And it's the second or third time they go through when they start to implement the trigger sessions. And I always, I get these messages every day where they're like, oh, you know, I heard you say so many times how effective trigger sessions are. Never, you know, I never did them. And as I'll do it once a day. And then once they start implementing it a couple times a day, it's like,

holy shit, it's even more impactful. Dude, you do this yourself. Like if you have a weak body, like let's say your calves are weak. You know what? I tell you what, do like, you know, 20 calf raises three times a day. It still do your hard calf workouts, but on the days in between, just do like, you know, 20, 30 calf raises, you know, two, three times a day. What? Give yourself two weeks.

I swear to God, you'll blow yourself. We'll see visible results. That's how big of a difference it makes. But here's the thing with the intensity. If you push the trigger sessions too hard, now you're, you, you may be creating more damage which you should have done already with your hard workouts and you're going to take away from your body's ability to adapt. So it's got to be a low kind of pumping intensity,

nothing crazy, nothing hard. It is not a workout, it is named trigger session for a reason. Next question is from Bishop. What are your favorite oblique exercises? Ooh. No, people don't train oblique like they used to. Yeah.

I think people are. I love the cool gaze case. I was gonna say this, and we cool because everyone's gonna be very different. I knew Justin would do something like that. And it was fucking okay. So that's side benders. Yeah, that's my favorite.

Can you think of a more important core muscle for spreads? Oh man, it stabilizes everything. Oh, rotation, moving power. I mean, not just lateral movement. I mean, it's just, it's basically, it's the center of all of that movement with the hips and the lower back and, you know, just getting everything kind of bracing properly.

Like, you need those obliques to be strong. When they think of core, they think of the abs and yes, the abs make up the core. But if you're an athlete, and if you run, what you probably do for your athlete, running is a rotational movement. It looks like it's straight. So it looks if you're an athlete and if you run, what you probably do for your athlete, running is a rotational movement. It looks like it's straight, so it looks like you're just running straight.

Forget turning, like, yes, cutting and all that stuff definitely rotation. But when you run straight, you'll notice that if I step with my left foot, my right arm goes up, and if I step with my right leg, my left arm goes up, this is how you run. If you don't believe me, go outside and try running the opposite way and look how clumsy and slow you are.

That involves rotation at your trunk and your ability to transfer that power from the floor throughout your body to propel you. A lot of that, not all of it, but a lot of it rests on your ability to stabilize that rotation or that anti-rotation. That's your oblique, man. So like if you neglect your obliques, you're gonna have some stability issues, you know, for sure. That's why I mean, watching people when they have like, they have these like,

corsets on and, you know, it's just, oh, it's just nails on a chalkboard. Me as far as like what that's doing to your movement. Yeah, you're, now you're like, all in on aesthetics, but now you really fucked your movement. Yeah, and a lot of women are scared of train their bleaks as afraid of like building out their waist. I don't know about you guys,

but when I see a well-developed core on a woman and I see that their bleaks are also well-developed, it's very attractive. I don't know any, it doesn't look bad to me. Well, don't forget too. When you do that, it'll actually, their actual waist waist will come, it will look more defined in because the obliques are pronounced.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that, I mean, it's going to create that illusion. So I don't think there's anything wrong with a woman developing her obliques at all. I think it looks great on her too. I mean, it's funny that I don't think there's any muscles on the body that don't look good.

I think people have got these ideas of, oh, I don't want to have this big bulky this or like even like a girl saying, like, oh, I don't want traps. I think people have got these ideas of, oh, I don't wanna have this big bulky this, or like even like a girl saying, like, oh, I don't want traps, like a guy. It's like, well, you're not gonna build traps like a guy from not having any to building traps like a guy, but you developing your traps is only going to help shape your entire body. It's pretty funny when we,

yeah, when you neglect certain parts of the body part, it looks, I don't know, when we're more symmetrical, we look like we're in better shape no matter what. You know what the problem, you know when this started happening, so if you look at body building, I'm a student of the sport of body building, or at least that was in the past. If you look at bodybuilders in the 50s, 60s, 70s and early 80s, oblique exercises made the regular rotation. It was a big deal. And part of the reason why they did it was they believe that you could spot reduce and that doing so would shrink your waist.

This was the belief. Arnold did oblique exercises all the fucking time. You know, he did lots of these twisting movements at the end of his workouts and he would do hundreds of reps or thousands of reps. Now bodybuilders in the 70s, can you say, they had big ass waist? No, they had incredible looking waist. What ended up happening was bodybuilders started taking

ridiculous amounts of drugs. Their body weight started going up through the roof. They started taking high doses. Then they started feeding themselves that crazy and they started getting these big guts. Well, they grew everywhere. They grew everywhere and they blamed it on, you know, oh, I can't train my core because it makes my core big.

Well, no, it's coming from all the growth hormone in food that you're feeding yourself. And all your insides growing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because all that shit grows from that. Yeah, I like. So if I'm trying to target them directly and I'm going for a look,

one of my favorite moves is just like a side wood shop on a free motion machine. Great, I love that exercise for a look. One of my favorite moves is just like a side wood shop on a free motion machine. Great. I love that exercise for trying to build aesthetics, right? Then for a more functional thing, I love a circus press, dude. Doing it, doing a, yeah. Yeah, I mean,

or like a site or like a bent press or a windmill? Oh yeah, that would be bent press. Yeah, bent press would be awesome. It's very similar. You're going to get very similar benefits to what the bent press is probably even better. Now that you say that, I mean, it's a circus press with even more rotation. So yeah, no, I think that I think a bent press or a circus press, anything where you have to stabilize with, you know, you know, lateral movement like that, even like the lunge with a press on a landmine.

Talk about, then you're incorporating your lower body too, so to Justin's point of something that's more functional and like for an athlete. So if you're an athlete and you wanna develop your obliques, I think there's different things I would do. If you're a stage-percent athlete or you just wanna have good looking obliques, there's different things that I would do.

I think all of it would be great to incorporate. I think there's lots of benefits if you do something that's functional and you do something that's directly working on hypertrophy. I think both of them have... Yeah, I think Ben Press really covers obliques in one of the best ways as far as dealing with load and then, yeah, pressing your way out, but also I love targeting specifically obliques when I work on

anti-rotation of my hips. So that way, you know, I'm teaching my body how to stabilize, you know. So if I wanna keep directionally going somewhere, I need to be able to train my body to withstand the forces that are pulling me in opposite directions. And so I like doing like a cable rotation with that, but now, you know, really focusing especially on, you know, the eccentric part of keeping my hips from rotating.

Yeah, you know, if you're doing that with a lunge, it would be dope. Yes. You know, you notice, you know, you notice in this regard, if you, what you notice when you look at ancient sculptures of like gods, like Hercules, or sculptures of athletes. All of them have pronounced obliques. Very developed obliques. Now, why did the Greeks or the Romans create the, you know, make these sculptures of gods or of athletes with well developed obliques? Well, look at any...

They needed them. Look at any high functioning lean athlete with their shirt off and They're a bleak standout. They always look at grapplers look at grapplers who are really lean and what you'll see are Well developed a bleak So it's just and they don't look bad. It's not like you're looking. Oh, it's a terrible. You have a big way It's not like fucking amazing this you know, I'd never trained my core Properly for a long long time and then at one point was years ago. I never trained my core properly for a long, long time. And then at one point was years ago, I started adding resistance and started training more frequently. And

my core just built out to the point now where even if my body fat is 11 or 12%, you can still see the muscle underneath. And it makes me actually look cleaner because I've developed them. You know who has an amazing core, who's also one of the strongest, most stable individuals you ever meet. Craig. Well, Craig. Paul check. Yeah. Paul check is 55 years old and he's got these well-developed abs and obliques and he's a man that you know, he was doing step lunges with 275 in his back, like a few months ago at the on it academy with Kyle Kings burying those guys and they couldn't keep up with them. It's a 55 year old man.

Now does he have strong legs? For sure. Does a lot of it come from his core? Better believe it. Like that is a very, my favorite oblique exercise for developing the bleaks is a broomstick twist crunch or Roman chair sit up. So what I'll do is I'll sit, if I can't find a Roman chair,

which most gyms don't have anymore, as I'll get a bench and I'll do it where I'm sitting across the bench, so I'm not lengthwise, I'm kind of across it. And I anchor my feet and I tuck my tailbone and squeeze my abs so that I'm not going back on my hip flexors. I have a broomstick behind my back, which extends my hands.

And then I lean back, but as I lean back into my sit-up or whatever, I'm twisting and coming up and twisting and squeezing. As I lean back, I straighten out, and I come up and twist with the other side. And I got really, really good oblique development from doing that particular exercise. And I've posted it a couple times on my Instagram,

but that one I got from Arnold, he did a shitload of them at the end of his workouts, and him and Franco and those guys had incredible looking core muscles. Next question is from Jackson E7, you guys are called Mind Pump, but what do you actually do to exercise your mind or brain? Is that sarcastic or what?

Yeah, I feel like that's sarcastic, or you just started listening to them. Like coming at us, yeah, I feel like you just said, what do we actually do to pump our brain? Like I don't know, fuck, I think all of us are readers. Everybody listens to podcasts like crazy. You hear the goddamn articles that are on the street. We're talking about it every single day.

There's a lot of consumption, man. There's a, I think, man, between the three of us, the amount of information that we're reading and consuming on a, I mean, it's cool that this is part of why I love, this is a little bit of gratitude, this just reminds me of why I appreciate and love what I actually do because I'm such a growth-minded person and it's such an important thing for me, but I'm also a realist and know that life happens and shit happens and you can, it's really easy to fall out of consistency with always growing and always learning and always

pushing yourself that way. But one of the dopest things about Mind Pump is that because we're providing information for others and we're putting out this stuff, it requires that I'm constantly learning. Yeah, I have to be constantly learning and digesting new information. So this has now become part of my job, which is rad because it's something that I like to implement into my life. Anyways, I was already a reader, I was already somebody growth-minded, but of course I could allow other things to deter me for a while. Where now I don't have that option. Like now it's like necessary that

hey, I got to make sure tomorrow when I meet with the boys, I've got an article to talk about or I have something to contribute to this conversation that I haven't already covered in fucking 770 episodes already so I mean I mean, I think that's a huge part of it The input is a huge part of it, but also it's like learning how to basically like shut shut it off at certain points So I can I can be optimal, in the way that I can consume. So I get to a point where my mind keeps spinning and spinning and spinning, and then I'm not really consuming and regurgitating what I've consumed. Like I have to be efficient in that process.

And being in this environment is intensifies that whole process. So we're always trying to feed, feed, feed, feed. But we have to also learn the process of like, okay, what am I doing that's optimal, right? Just like on how to get better. Just like on your stasis. I have to make this point, because for some reason a long time ago,

this misunderstanding or myth was developed that exercise itself Working out being athletic or whatever Did not improve your ability to think or process or or didn't benefit your brain Here's a deal when you're moving when you're moving your body that involves a lot of your brain It also creates an environment that is healthy for your brain. And the type of intelligence that you gain from activity and movement is a type of kinesthetic, you know,

intelligence. It is a type of intelligence that allows you to move better in space and function. And one of the most, by the way, one of the single most effective things, and in fact, I don't think there's anything that's more effective than this aside from diet That will prevent your brain from Potentially developing disorders like dementia or your your your you know lower processing speed or whatever is exercise Actually, nothing's come close. They've compared brain exercises to physical exercises So they've had people where they say okay you guys do crossword puzzles and do all this other shit And then you guys over here just go for walks and exercise and then they track them and The the the reduces risk of Alzheimer's dementia improves IQ better to exercise

Physically than it does to do the other stuff So I want to say that and be very clear because the whole myth of the dumb jock is just that It's a total myth if you work out if you if you are, look, if you have kids, and you get them to be active, even if their academic is hell, and you just want them to be do well in academics, the physical activity will contribute positively to... There's a lot of transfers.

...to their academics. Now, that being said, look, the way I learn, most of the fact, just having this conversation the other night, I love to read, I love to watch documentaries, I love to do all that stuff, I love to consume information. But nothing gets me to learn better and more effectively, more permanently than conversation. Nothing at all.

I was the kid in class that would, you know, I never would study, but everyone saw I'd raise my hand and debate the teacher or ask them to go deeper and have a conversation. And then I'd be done and I'd remember it and it in a while I'd raise my hand and debate the teacher or ask them to go deeper and have a conversation. And then I'd be done and I'd remember it and it would be something I'd really learned. So for me personally, the best exercise I do for my mind or my knowledge is I'll read a subject or someone else will bring up a subject and then I'll talk to them and I'll question it and I'll ask questions.

Which exactly what we do on here every single day Every day every single thing that was brought up in the last hour Okay, was something that one of us read somewhere and we had open dialogue about it And there's something there's something to take away from that from and hopefully that we provided for everybody that's listening So I mean, I would argue I'm being sure for me right now I mean, I've been in a slump big time with my injury and then can you stick this last week? Like, I'm spending way more time the last year

pumping my mind than I have been any of my muscles. I mean, in fact, I remember that was part of my transition of, you know, coming off testosterone and then the injury was part of me letting go of the whole image thing was just like I'm not even going to worry about that. Like I'll stay in shape and healthy. Like I'm I eat well and I move and I do the things I need to do to be a healthy person. So I'm not going to get so consumed with oh because I'm a fitness guy and I'm a fit inspiration guy I need to be looking a certain way. And I'll fuck that for who? You know what I'm saying? For everybody else, fuck that.

What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put more of my energy now, even more so on growing myself personally, learning and pumping my brain. So a lot of my time and consumption has been around that. In fact, we ran and we had some guests in here just the other day and he was like, hey Adam, you know you were showing a lot of your workouts and your rehab before in this then.

I said, yeah man, to be honest with you, I just haven't been on it I haven't been consistent with it and I've been super busy and consumed with the business right now I've been I've been consuming so much information for the business that has nothing to do with anything that you guys see on a regular basis You know, and I said I would love to get back to that because I know there's some value for a lot of our viewers and listeners for For me posting some of those things. It's just not a major priority for my friends. One of the best things you could do, if you're somebody who's listening

and you'd like to learn things and you'd like to learn them effectively, I think most people learn better through conversation and through discussion. Do this. Here's what I love most about social media and Facebook in particular, because it's a platform that allows you to do this.

Is I'll go on a forum or I'll go on a page that's about something like veganism or a religion or a political opinion or whatever. And I'll go on there and I'll debate people and I'll try to do it in a way that doesn't get them pissed off so that they stop talking to me. I'll literally do it and I used to do this all the time as I would go on these forums and I would say, hey look, here's my opinion, I think, let's say I go on a veganism one. And by the way, I'm picking on that one.

This is not what I do with veganism. I'm just using this example. But let's say I went on a veganism one. This is what I would do. I'd go on the forum and say, hey guys, look, I like eating meat. I think veganism might be a way to develop nutrient deficiencies, but I will admit I'm not super informed.

Can any of you have a conversation with me or try to convince me otherwise that I'd love to learn more? That's it. Then they'd go on, the comments, and they'd say, well, why are you this? And I'd say my thing. And then we'd go back and forth. And then halfway through, I'd always think. But look, by the way, I know right now I'm disagreeing with you or we're debating, but I do want to thank you for having this conversation because I'm learning

quite a bit and then they'd always be like, okay, that's cool. And we go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth and I'd learn so much doing it that way. And it would either make me so much stronger in my, the way I could, and this is like people have told me, I'm good at debating and the only reason I'm good at debating is they practiced. I've overcome a million objections on my position because I've talked to so many people who are good at having this discussion.

But you learned so much this way. This was a major strategy we had when we had all the time in the world and we were trying to build this thing. You remember we used to go on people's pages that, I mean, and again, this is like, you know, we were talking- We were talking about the fitness industry the other day and like, as much as we point out things,

like I don't hate on it because it's created opportunity for us. It's really easy for me to, you know, scroll through my feed and see bullshit, you know, I'm saying bullshit information being put out there. And I can get mad about it. Oh, it was an interview I just had. I just had an interview and this was the discussion

that we had and he's like, how do you not get pissed off and frustrated by all the shit that you continue that you still see? And I know what you guys stand for. And I said, you know, I don't get angry about it. I actually, in fact, they kind of have like a grin on my face when I see it because I just see the opportunity there for me because there's lots of opportunity

for me to help others because there's so much bad information. And one of the ways that you can approach that for those that are trying to build their fitness business or any business for that matter, like Sousing, seek out opposing views, go to those pages, create dialogue, don't do it in a way that's like insulting because that will never get you anywhere. You'll not get a learning thing. Let's just tell you to fuck off. Keep in mind that there's lots of people that have nothing better to do than troll around on pages and read people's comments and there's a lot of people that actually do this, especially on bigger pages because everybody else is

curious about other people's lives and go find a page where there's a that has a lot of people that has an opposing view and start dialogue on there. You'll be surprised how many hundreds of people end up reading that comment and if you present yourself well and you present your argument really well, you'd be surprised how many people you'll add to that. That was a big strategy to ours when we first started and nobody knew the fuck my pump was, we'd go on all these other fitness pages

and we'd do it, we wouldn't do it in a insulting way. It would be just like Sal just mentioned right now. It's interesting you brought up the conversation and how you learn so much better through conversation. I didn't even realize that was so true with me as well. Just having that dialogue and being able to throw back questions like, okay, but I don't really understand. I know that you present it in this light, but what about this scenario?

And then if you can understand multiple angles of the same subject matter, it really just emboldens the whole process. Yep, this is why if you have kids and your kids ask you questions, one of the best things you could do is try to answer them and have a discussion and not do the authoritative, you know, because I told you so, type of deal. Which is a real easy way to shut your kid up. And I understand the allure of it, especially if you're tired or whatever and you're telling your kid to do something. But my kids will ask me a question and I'll catch myself

doing the whole listen, I told you to do it because that's kind of the way I was raised. But usually I try to be aware and if they ask me a question and say, hey, why can't I be on electronics more than four hours? Or why do I have to avoid this particular food? Or why are you saying I should approach and talk to my teachers, whatever.

And I'll sit there and have a discussion about these things. I had a discussion with my son a while ago because he has a lot of the same tendencies I do. So whether it's genetic or whether he's observed it, it doesn't really matter. He does act a lot, it's very similar to the way I am, and I see a lot of myself in him.

And so one thing, we went to one of his teacher, the parent teacher conferences, and you know, he gets really good scores, really hard worker, but the thing that I've heard more than once is the teacher will say, well, he likes to discuss and debate, and sometimes he doesn't a way that's not,

you know, that doesn't come across really well. And so they're basically trying to tell me, like, look, your kick can be a smart ass, right? Yeah. So I sat. It's tough. It's inside your like, yes. Well, part of me identifies with it, right?

So I'm like, oh yeah, he's like, so when I got home, I talked to my son and I said, hey, your teacher said this, he goes, well, she was wrong. She was wrong on this one. I don't remember what it was in, he's right, she was wrong. And I said, look, here's a deal. She may be wrong, but if your goal is to learn more or potentially change her mind, approach it in a way to where she'll listen to you. Because if you say it, the way you're saying it

now by saying, you're wrong, she stopped listening to you and you're not successful. And so I had this whole conversation with them about communicating effectively. And I said, look, if your point is to get your point across, you have to deliver it in a way where the person will listen. If your point is just to piss them off and tell them the wrong, then just keep doing what you're doing. We had this great conversation and he totally changed his approach and he became much more effective.

But we had to have a 20 minute conversation about it. Next question is from Andrew ASF SE. Sal always talks about the free market, but what flaws do you guys see with it? Is this a response to the bad review that Doug got? Yeah, me. You know what I, you know, Doug got a free market talk.

Doug got a bad review. Didn't you Doug recently? Oh, no. We did. Well, I didn't personally, but. I mean, we never get. Damn, calmness. We never get, what is that now? We're up to like eight eight one stars or something like that

We're under a couple more than that, but are we over 10? Oh, yeah, oh really? Dude, we have how many thousands of reviews. Yeah, I know that still we were good Yeah, we had a really good the really good number there. It's still pretty good. I mean we'll dig it for a long time That's a couple of meters, you know here. People like your political view of you That's of course. it's always polarizing. Yeah, you know, it's weird because I'm, I can very much be on either side of this stuff. That's how I feel.

The only reason why I feel like, and it's not like I allow you, but I was gonna say, I allow you to even go there is because I think the way you present it is, is beautiful. Like it's really, it's a very fair way. And even when you're making an argument on your point, you don't make it like this hard stance that you're right around every once while we we go back and forth on something but even then I think you're always open to

discussion and I think that you're no more left than right or right down the middle of anything. Oh my god. I voted for Republicans. I voted for Democrats. I've hated both sides. Usually hate them both at the same time. It's, here's, okay, so here's the thing about free markets. Free markets themselves or a free market really is, when you talk about the flaws, we just had this discussion in the card of the day. Yeah, we did.

When you talk about the flaws of markets, what you're talking about is the flaws of people. Okay, so what free markets allow is they allow the voluntary interaction between individuals and people can pursue their own self-interest. And they're extremely efficient because the reason why they're efficient is that whether you lose money or you make money, it's up to the individual. And it just, it just, it allocates resources very, very well. The price system within free markets do that. But without getting too complicated, here's the bottom line.

It's a, it's, if you want to call it a system, because really it's just people allowed to do what they want and work together. But if you call it a system so far, it's the best system that we've ever had. Is it perfect? Of course not. People are not perfect. People are gonna make bad decisions in business. People are gonna make products that suck.

They're gonna pollute sometimes. But typically socially, we punish those things. Now, how can you say it's the best system that we've ever had? Like what's the argument? So it's very clear. The statistics are very clear. Would I support free markets from a moral standpoint

in the sense that I think it's immoral to force anybody to do something or to steal from them unless I'm defending myself or defending my property. So if you're not hurting anybody but yourself, I think it's immoral to do anything to you. So there's that argument. But the other side of the argument is this. Statistically speaking, it's very clear. The more markets are free, they are pretty consistently better performing on all metrics that you would want to define

that though because some people don't even understand what a free market means. Less government intervention. The more people are allowed to pursue their own interests, the less, and let's give a very good example, something that's highly regulated, that you could see if it was a complete free market, how it'd be completed. So, I'll give you two examples. Communism from a Soviet Union standpoint

was far, far, far, far more regulated than the communism style of China. Now both of China still considered not a free market But they have free market elements and they're very compared to Soviet Union They're very free market and you can see the success of one versus the other the Soviet Union produced tons of waste Lots of people starved and died even though they grew enough food to feed everybody They obviously didn't succeed what if China allows Hong Kong enough food to feed everybody. They obviously didn't succeed. China allows Hong Kong, which is arguably the freest market in the world. And by the way, Hong Kong...

Yeah, but let's look at sectors within the United States that people can relate to. Oh, I see. Like, give me a sector in the United States right now that is completely regulated or highly regulated, like education. Education? Yeah, education. And what it would potentially look like. So let's go education, because I think this is one of the things that needs to be deregulated

that I think if we had free market within education, it would be insane to see how fast we would grow as a nation, like just intelligence level and our scoring would go up. So explain how education is not a free market and how that would be. And plus, I think that's one of the more controversial ones that people would argue that we don't think should be. A total free market and education would look like this. There would be zero government programs, zero taxes that went to it,

there would be zero laws or rules aside from the ones that protect you from hurting someone or stealing from someone or something like that. And they would just let it go. So what it would look like would be the internet. Like the internet is a free, the internet's about as free as it gets. Now, there are some regulated components

like the carriers and where you build the cables. And people here are free and they think that means free and free market think that things don't cost money. Like no, it doesn't mean that things don't cost money. Oh, it's just not regulated. So again, if you look at the internet and the rapid advancement of the internet and it's access, you can see how effective and efficient markets are.

And if you look at education, if you look at any markets that have you regularly, heavily regulated and what you'll typically find is the cost of accessing it will explode far faster than inflation and the accessibility will decline. And education is one of those things. Higher education, the cost of higher education is exploded. Public schools are the most segregated segment, one of the most segregated segments of our economy,

even though they're supposed to be for everybody. And it's terribly inefficient. In California alone, we're spending maybe between 10 to $12,000 a school year per student. And many of these schools don't have enough money for books and don't have enough money for you know basic needs for the kids teachers have to spend money to to you know get their classrooms Outfitted with things that they need and yet they're getting if I took that tell me by this way if I gave you 10 or 12

Thousand dollars for a school year and said here spend this on a school for your kid, you'd find a superior product. You probably would. Well, an example of you would strip everything down in education and think of how you would build up free market. It would look something like this where, let's say, in a completely free, free market, I would have the ability myself to start up a classroom. And I started off with allowing for kids to come and learn. And I teach K through it.

And they're parent K, whatever. Not even, that's free right now, because I have no credibility yet. Nobody knows who the fuck I am. I don't have an education, but I believe I can teach kids better than anybody else out. Let's just say, right? So I start off this school for K through eighth and only 10 people show up. 10 people that know me and trust that I could do well with their kids. And over time, people start finding out

that I'm producing these really intelligent kids. And now, 10 turns into 20, then 50. Now I have this need and I need more tables and more desk and more things. So now I start charging. Now I start telling people, listen, I'd love to take your kids, but my classrooms filled, I can't do anymore, I can't do any more work.

So it's this much per year for your kid to come here. And then I start to build this business. And it's based off of what I'm providing. And if I didn't do a good service, then nobody shows up. That's the bulletin part. What I like is the ground up approach. Like so, for instance, if we're trying to figure out like standards and we're trying to figure out

like ways to test and see what's valid as far as education and what's going to help them for success going forward. To have that from the actual teacher and student and how they work through all these issues and figure out what they can implement to better the system versus a collective group of people deciding deciding that for the masses, you know. You do not, it keeps it like within the power of the people. You can't possibly have enough information and be smart enough on a minute-by-minute basis to decide what millions of people.

It changes so quickly. So quickly for everybody. Now here's the art, and right now we're all jumping on the free market ban wagon, like the way we're all talking. But people are followers. I wanna make it clear that when we were in the car and we were having this discussion, it was me who was debating Sal with the idea that as as idealistic as the free market sounds and how awesome it sounds and we all agree that it would be better that it worked this way, the fear that I have and the argument that

I have with the free market concept is that unfortunately there's a very large part of the population that want to follow and want to be told what to do. And that's just a fact that they don't want to do their own research. They checked out. Yeah, they don't want to do their own research. They don't they don't want to do their own research They don't and and they're and the argument is that there's so many of those people that the free the Completely free free market society would collapse and that is to me the greatest argument against the free market I was that one and that one only you're not gonna have a nation of entrepreneurs

You'll have entrepreneurs and then you'll have people who will buy what they sell and who work for companies and do what they tell them and That's always gonna happen. As far as, so here's the thing, we talked about the moral argument, but as far as like how successful they are, look, it's not hard, just look at history. If you take a chart and you list countries based on the freedom of their markets

and you chart them all out, you will see pretty consistently and regularly, not always a hundred percent, but on a pretty predictable basis, the more free a country's markets are, the faster they progress, the more they lift people out of poverty at a faster rate, the less discrimination you'll see, the more equality of opportunity you will see, it's just the less violence you'll see, the more equality of opportunity you will see, it's

just the less violence you see. It's just, it's very, very black and white. Now, here's the problem. I don't think you can have, I don't think markets can exist in every avenue of human life. So what I mean by that is, if a market can exist, I think it should be more free than less free. But in some situations, I'll give you one right now, and here's one where I disagree with, or at least I've debated, and I'm still not 100% on this, but I have yet to hear anybody change my mind. When I've debated people who are like really free market, like anarcho-capitalist or people who are like super laissez-faire, no government intervention whatsoever, and I've had these

debates with them, and when we talk about the environment. And here's my argument with the environment. In some cases, I can see how a free market will handle environmental concerns. Property rights is a good one. If a company pollutes your land and people own that land, you're sued, you're fucked, you're closed because they're damaging your property. I get that. But how do you, what do you do with the air?

Or what about the ozone layer? Or what about the ocean where you have what's called the tragedy of the commons? It's like this public space, nobody really owns. And whenever you have that people fuck it up really, really bad because it becomes a race to who can exploit it the fastest because if you don't, your competitor will and nobody owns it anyway.

So who cares? So in that case, I can see regulations, right, you know, having a, oh, you said that the first thing that comes to mind is like automobile smog and then the regulations that are put on that. But then I also think that in a free market society that if we all found out and we had better information

about each vehicle and how it pollutes the earth and what's the most green. And we see that happening right now with the movement towards electrical cars I still think free market even works there and that's we're talking about you see people wanting to put their money into the companies that are thinking about their Impact environmentally and impact in you know doing good again. I'm just being objective when you look at the when you actually look at the what's happened throughout history like Gasoline used to be let it okay, and And there were scientists that were ringing the alarm bell saying, hey, look, this is showing up in the oceans,

it's showing up in our, people are breathing it in, it's causing people to be more violent and sick, which is true. We need to make all gasoline unleaded. And they had to go to court to fight this because the gasoline companies were saying, no, and consumers liked it, because you didn't see the results right away

That's my that's that's my point with the environment like if you're destroying the ozone layer By the time we notice what's happening that may be 50 years from now of damage and so I where markets can exist When they're free they tend to work better, but there aren't I don't think markets necessarily can exist in Every aspect of human life, in the environments, the one that I tend to, and the same thing with protecting the country from, you know, outside, you know, forces or invasion and stuff like that, like the idea of a free market military that's complete free market, that's kind of strange to me, and I don't know if that would work.

Yeah, I don't see that. Yeah, those are areas that I have debates, but for the most part, look, Hong Kong is a great example. Hong Kong went from third world country to super power, economic superpower, and like 50 years, and their markets were, they, Milton Friedman was part of that movement, though that whole Chicago School of Economics was part of that movement. Look at Chile. Chile's another great example.

Friedman went down to Chile and they basically consulted with them and out of the South American nations, Chile's advanced and advanced that faster rates, lower rates of poverty. And here's the other thing with markets is you, people will look at a free market and say, oh, look how terrible their conditions are. It's not working. You can't compare free markets that have only been free for 20 years to others that have been free for hundreds of years. You have to compare them to how they were before.

So I'll give you an example. People will tell me all the time like, oh, if we don't have all these regulations, you're going to have all this child labor in America. You're going to have all these dangerous conditions. It's going to look like America during the industrial age when kids were working and it was all kinds of smog and miners were dying and all this crazy stuff. And it's like, no, there's something that's worse

than the industrial age of America. It's what America was like before the industrial age. Before that, it was even worse. And that's what you have to look at. You have to look at and compare to how they were before and how they're advancing. Don't compare them to other countries that have had the luxuries of having these markets for long periods of time. And it's just, here's the bottom line. Like, I'm definitely pro free market, but I'm also pragmatic. And so far, when we move in that direction, things get better.

And it's a statistical fact. So I would say, look, if we go in that direction, things get better and it's a statistical fact. So I would say look, if we go in that direction, it's just like, it starts going crazy. Look at all the companies that are examples of that. And I mean, tech, like five of the like top 10 are like all examples of that, right? I mean, when you look at the Ubers, the Airbnb, the VRBOs, the, who else is a example of that,

that are huge companies right now. Oh, eBay, I mean Amazon, I mean all these companies. I mean, it just, who else is an example of that, that are huge companies right now. Oh, eBay, Amazon, I mean, all these companies. I mean, it's just super efficient because the price system allows so much information to be communicated and something so simple as a price of something.

Like you know how much supply and demand, there's all the information of who's producing it and those producers are being pulled away from other things that they're producing. That's included. You know, if something's more expensive than something else, you can make the more efficient decision based on the price, and we don't even think about that. When you try to essentially plan an economy, like good luck, like the Soviet Union used to

send out, they tried figuring this out, and they would send out like surveys. They'd send out surveys to people, hey, what do you want to buy, which one do you want more? But the time you get all that shit out and collect it all, information's worthless now, because it's changed day by day or whatever, and see if there's incredible inefficiencies. Here's another good example. Talking about, I just talked about the environment, right? How much paper do you guys think zip drives and technology is saved?

And that wasn't even, that wasn't even created to save the environment. That was just an efficient way of giving information and storing information. And yet it saved a shit ton of trees, you know, as a result. You look at, if you want to implement something and you do government decree, like here's another good example. If a company invented a way to create energy and store energy and transfer energy, that was cheaper and more efficient than oil,

do you know how fast the world would switch from oil to that new product? Faster than any government could ever dream of immediately businesses would be like We're saving 15% of our cost with this form of energy. Let's change a whole fleet. Let's go in this direction like that's exactly What would happen look at cell phones within 10 years cell phones went from nobody having them to Almost everybody having a cell phone that was all that was all from Bums have cell phones. phone. That was all from... Bums have cell phones. Yeah, that was all from the market.

They get their plan from it. But the market... Metro PC. The market reflects society. It reflects us. So sometimes when you look at the market and you see bullshit tabloids or you see, why are we producing, like, why do we have a liquor store

every corner in my neighborhood? Or why are they making all these sugary bullshit cereals that are unhealthy? And what people will do is they'll blame the free market and be like, ah, that's because of the market. If we regulated the shit out of this, we wouldn't have all the stuff. No, so you paint for that shit.

That's, it is regulated. It's us, just us wanting that. So in them, we want this. That's it. And when we change our, when we change our purchasing habits, man, the market shifts and changes faster than you can fucking faster than any government,

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