Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 789: How to Train for Obstacle Course Racing, Best Exercises for Poor Posture, Bodybuidlers vs "Real Athletes" & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only 41 minutes we do our introductory conversation, we mention Organifies New Mind Pumped Page with very handsome pictures of your hosts here at Mind Pumped. We made your favorite hosts. We are sponsored by Organify. I do want to mention that. If you go to Organify.com, forward slash Mind Pumped. First of all, you'll see the picture I'm talking about. You'll also get 20% off for using the code mine pump

Starting point is 00:00:46 It's 20% off. I don't know. What's that big of a discount more than you thought we talk about atoms Dawson Creek doppeldinger Little cherub looking guy on there. He's got nice baby face looks like Adam when he was a kid We talk about butcher boxes bacon bananzo. That's a lot of bees. Dude, dude. Free bacon for life for life. Have you guys lost your mind? I'm not gonna get that tattoo. Are you out of your mind?

Starting point is 00:01:10 Have you lost your mind? Are you out of your mind? It reminds me of those, like for life? It reminds me of those commercials on like those used car commercials as old ones. Like if you buy a car, I'll leave my hat. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:21 My mind is blowing. So are you free bacon for life? If you go to butcherbox.com, forward slash mind pump, you will get the free-baking for life and $10 off your first order and free shipping. Damn. Then we get a little somber. We talk about Anthony Bourdain and Kate Spade,

Starting point is 00:01:38 terrible losses. Very sad. Very, very terrible losses. So we talk about that a little bit. We talk about finding purpose outside of material success. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, you know, this is a kind of a cultural worser one. Do we think bodybuilding and just training the gym is for people who just suck at sports? That's why they do it. I don't know why I just think it's hilarious. Just didn't have to do it without that way.

Starting point is 00:02:05 I checked myself though. You did. You it's hilarious. That's just an idea. Justin had a dream without that way. That's a lie. I checked myself though. You did. You guys can listen. You called yourself out. The next question was, what are the best exercises for poor posture like forward children? Now we gave some advice using bands for exercises to help this are really, really successful

Starting point is 00:02:20 because you want to do them frequently. We'll also make sure that Jackie links in the show notes the YouTube video that you sent over to me and then I'm going to forward to her. Yes, yes. And now rubber bandids is the bands that we like to recommend people get to or buy because I have a quality out there. Now here's a deal. You can get rubber bandids from our website.

Starting point is 00:02:38 It's kind of a pain in the ass. Here's what you do. You go to mindpumpmedia.com, go click under apparel, go to apparel media dot com go click under a peril go to a peril and then scroll to the bottom and then you'll see the uh... rubber band hopefully you find an oracle that will guide you that's right and there you'll make it to more oracle yeah give them a gold corner lock to take you across the

Starting point is 00:03:00 on your quest the next question was uh... for someone who's training for OCR, obstacle course races like Spartan, what's the optimal way to work out or program your training? We talk about maps performance a lot in this part of this episode because math performance was literally designed for people who are looking for this kind of performance. The next question was, why should this person by

Starting point is 00:03:24 maps split, went up until now, we've been talking shit about split routines. Kind of true, but we explain ourselves in that part of this episode. They call this out. Finally, this person wants to be a personal trainer, but they're a total introvert. Should they be trainers, or should they stay at home and serve the internet? They must have taken them a lot to ask that question. Also, dude, there's only two days left.

Starting point is 00:03:46 Yeah. Two days left for the $50 off of our new program, Maps Split. So if you go to mapssplit.com and enter the code, Split50, you'll get $50 off. Now this is a pure bodybuilding routine. It is a bodybuilder's program. You have to be relatively advanced to this program

Starting point is 00:04:09 because it will kick the shit out of you. You need a baseline coming in. It is a tough program, but if you are advanced and you want a bodybuild, this is the best split program you'll find in the entire universe. A little overconfident there. A little overconfident. I believe it. I believe you. I feel

Starting point is 00:04:26 good about that. Yeah. But there's two days left. So mapsplit.com into the code split 50 get 50 hours off. You only have two days left for that promotion. Now we did also want to include a promotion for other people who maybe map split and not appropriate for like beginners or people who don't want to go to the gym and just want to work at home, we have a program for you, it's called Maps Anywhere, and we made it really enticing. We actually cut the price in half. What? We've lost our minds like,

Starting point is 00:04:53 this is the first time we have actually ever cut a program in half for more than a single 24 hours. That's right, this is 50% off for the whole month of June. You can find maps anywhere at mine pump media.com Doug, what's up on the screen? It's our handsome bodies. That's our new organify link. Oh, they made they gave us our own little I'm so glad that they didn't use the stupid picture that everybody is. Yeah, Doug. Can we please get the other one off? I'm gonna put a band on that. Wait, what picture? Hold on, wait. It's a picture. Everybody uses of Yeah. Doug, can we please get the other one off first? I'm gonna put a band on that picture.

Starting point is 00:05:25 Wait, what picture? Hold on, what picture? It's a picture everybody uses of us. I fucking hate it. It's the very first picture we were taking together. Yes, it's like we're in Doug's living room. Oh, the one where I'm in the back, like, I'm in glasses on.

Starting point is 00:05:36 No, no, no, no. Even that one's okay. That one's like halfway cool. Which one? It's the one where I like. Yeah, just as glass is on, I'm wearing like a guest, like sleep shirt. I'm like, and I'm like, hunched over you. You look all tiny. And it looks on, I'm wearing like a guest, long, sleek shirt, and I'm like hunched over you.

Starting point is 00:05:45 You look all tiny. And it looks tiny, I look fat. It's, yeah, it's a terrible picture. Yeah. Well, this one looks good. It's not accurate. This one looks good. This one, this one, this one,

Starting point is 00:05:55 this was shot in time. Adam's beard is fuller than normal. It's a lot of control. You know what though? It doesn't look, you know what you look like right there with a full beard like that? You look like very fatherly. Fatherly? Yeah, you know what I mean? right there with a full beard like that? You look like very fatherly. Fatherly.

Starting point is 00:06:07 Yeah, you know what I mean? Like paternal, like, oh look at him. He's a nice, he's gonna take care of people. You just, you need a flannel. You're like a pretty manly. Yeah, looks very manly. Justin looks like Justin. I don't think he ever changes.

Starting point is 00:06:16 He's always looking Justin like. Yeah, I'm the guy. He looks like he goes too hard at everything. He looks like a lovable right there. Super lovable. Yeah. You just want to spoon in it. Once the last time you hugged him,

Starting point is 00:06:28 I don't know about that. Once the last time you gave him a good squeeze, I haven't even allowed it. I haven't given him a last. Yeah. You know what? It's hard to get those for me. The only time I think, I almost got one out of you

Starting point is 00:06:37 when you were drunk while you were starting to get an old lovie. Almost. I watched you know what, Sal, I like what you do. Everybody has that story. Yeah. I almost got a hug. I almost said I love you. I'm like, should I go in for a hug and take advantage of intoxicated state. I watched a deadpool too last night

Starting point is 00:06:50 How'd you like it? So good. I need to see it so good. It's very You know, it's crazy. It's so good that it makes me not like any of the other Marvel comics dude. Yeah, it's that good It's so much better than all the movies. It's because it's comedy Yeah, that's what they did. The sarcasm and everything. Did you guys read comic books when you were kids? I loved the first one. Did you guys ever, okay, so Deadpool, he was like that in the comic book. Yeah, he broke the, what is it called?

Starting point is 00:07:12 Broke the third wall or what do they call it? Broke the mold. No, no, there's a wall in storytelling where the character never acknowledges that they're in a comic book or a character. Deadpool would do that. Oh, like. So in between fighting, he'd look at you like as you're reading and he'd say some shit to you or make a character. Deadpool would do that. So in between fighting, he'd look at you, like as you're reading and he'd say some shit to you

Starting point is 00:07:27 or make a joke. And so they broke a rule with Deadpool. And that's why he does that in the movie. It's so good. It makes the movie so much more entertaining. It's hilarious. It's well done. The fourth wall.

Starting point is 00:07:40 I said third wall, didn't I? Or the fifth wall. It's the third, it's the third rail, the fourth wall. Alon, the, or the fifth wall. It's the third rail, the fourth wall. The presence of the fourth wall in established convention of modern realistic theater artist draw attention, direct attention to it for dramatic comic effect when a boundary is broken. Oh yeah, when the character addresses the audience,

Starting point is 00:07:56 he broke the fourth wall. There's a fifth wall. What the fuck is a fifth wall? Was it not like? It started talking to God. I remember Fred Savage, wasn't that part of his show? He'd talk directly to the audience and then get back to it.

Starting point is 00:08:07 No, his voice was. Oh, his voice was. That was the wonder yours. Wonder yours, right. God, you know what? I liked it, but I hated that show. Yeah. I liked that show because it was a good show.

Starting point is 00:08:15 I hated it because everybody said I looked like Paul. His nerdy friend was the nerdy one of the cops. That's the best. That's the best. I actually would get, my brother used to get screeched all the time. That could piss me off. Oh, I used to get good Like what's the kid from Dawson's Creek? What's his name? And he also was in our varsity blues right? Right, right. I can't think of his name. That's what I in high school. That's what all is Dawson

Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah, I don't know. I can't think of his name is Creek. He's the blonde guy not the blonde guy the other one Yeah, the other dude. Doug, pull up. Oh, so it's 20% off. People get with organified. Oh, is that... I've been telling people 15% off. Was that, did we cut off your commercial for organified? No, no, I just came back up and I didn't know it was,

Starting point is 00:08:54 so you get 20% off everything when you use the code. I thought it was 15, I've been lying to people. Well, you know what's good is they go on there and get a pleasant surprise. Yeah, they get more. Doug, pull up Dawson's Creek. I want to see a picture of who Adam looked like apparently. Yeah, this is what all the girls, I didn't even know.

Starting point is 00:09:09 So he must be good looking. No, I don't think he's that good. I don't know. Well, what's you guys decide that? I mean, you guys, I don't know. Remember in high school, I wasn't like, I was just like, what I remember. Yeah, which one?

Starting point is 00:09:22 So there's things, right? Joshua, Jackson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a bad picture of him though look that guy Yeah, you look back at high school. He's like he's he's my age older now You know he's in a new Netflix series, so so go Joshua Jackson Dawson's Creek. Yeah, let's see what he looks like when he was a kid In their Vanderbeek. Yeah, he's not a bad looking dude right there. He's older right there, right? Yeah, so I mean he's got the Chubbier Chief. Yeah, he's got the round face.

Starting point is 00:09:46 That's what I have going on for me. You know what I'm saying is the fat face that kicks in. You got his beneficial on you at 90. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh shit. Oh shit. So then you have to do something. Do you see it now, everyone?

Starting point is 00:09:57 Yeah, you did look like you. When I had a more full thick hair right there, like that's my hair you just learned. Like the bowling shirt. Yeah, you did. You did have like an innocent kind of look to your face, it's baby face. But like innocent, like he looked like he was just a super,

Starting point is 00:10:13 like he's a nice guy. Like he needed the beard. You look how much berry it looks to the beard. Yeah, yeah. You now you look, you still look like a nice guy. You look like a rougher nice guy. A rougher guy. Yeah, like more dude, how about this?

Starting point is 00:10:25 What about me and Maps and a Bollock those videos? Yesterday was a KC's like, you're so stubborn. Like if someone suggests something, you're like the worst. Like you don't wanna do it. It has to be your idea. But if you were to die your beard, you would look fucking sick.

Starting point is 00:10:53 Because the silver in your hair looks badass. The beard, it looks like shit on your face. So, you need to, if you need to, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why do you get, why feelings. I tried to get you to just do it one time and then see the response you get.

Starting point is 00:11:10 Here's the thing. Who did that? It was a guy on like, what was that like that movie where they were stripping? You know what I mean? Oh, Magic Mike. Magic Mike. That's not one guy that I do.

Starting point is 00:11:21 That's not a guy. Yeah, whatever. I feel like he had like a dark beard and then silvery hair. Listen, and this is suggestions not coming from me. It'll be coming from my hairstyle. And they'll tell you a man's beard is a way to contour and shape his face. So when it gets all gray and speckly, it doesn't do that.

Starting point is 00:11:37 It's all those things going through shit on your face. Now if you take it and you dye it black, it will start to contour your face. Adam doesn't hold back because I want it I've been trying to suggest it nicely for a long time and he won't listen to me And I'm like just try it once dude you can wash it out or get rid of their shave it You know saying it's not gonna end you you know your meanness convinced me Just kidding I already know it's a terrible

Starting point is 00:12:00 I can't sell you know you can just be jabbing it you know Well, you have to do is when we go up, I am some dye. When we go on another trip, whisper it into my ear while I'm sleeping. And then maybe I'll wake up and be like, I have an idea. I'm gonna do it.

Starting point is 00:12:14 I'm gonna do it. I want you to literally apply it to his face. I'm gonna video it. Oh my God. Yes. Here's the dye my face. I just know we're gonna do it. And you're gonna be like,

Starting point is 00:12:22 you're gonna look good, dude. I used to dye my beard a few times. I like the gray. Like it looks good for sure. The way it's speckled into your hair, but your beard doesn't look right. Cause it's what shapes your face. And if you were to darken it, I promise you you would.

Starting point is 00:12:36 Well, you know what? I think we'll leave it up to the audience. We'll let them, we'll see. No, cause you know why all the people that are in your camp are gonna be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't really care. Look, here's why's why I don't here's what you have to do You have to do it and then you put a picture up there and then let people that's what here's why I don't die

Starting point is 00:12:51 My beard. I'll tell you why because it's a don't sell it. No, I'm not selling it It's I'm just not I'm not gonna say anything about it being chemicals on my face and I'm not gonna say any of that stuff Okay, good. All those things maybe true. I'm not gonna say any of that stuff. It's just another step. You know what I mean? It's another thing.

Starting point is 00:13:09 No, I respect that. That's a process. No, I want to do more stuff. No, no, no, no, no, I respect that. You get a little bit. Because I'm not. I mean, I have somebody in my mind, right? You don't want to get it on your neck and stay in your skin.

Starting point is 00:13:20 Yeah. Then I have to like, I feel like Jessica would love her doing that. Be like a fun girl's like doing stuff like that. She likes my graveyard. She likes it. That's why it's fucked if your head. You know, you know, you know, you don't need girls too. They tell their guys to like, oh, I like you like this. And you're like 30 pounds overweight. It's like my mom that says that you had to look she with this hair behind like it. He looks like he has a

Starting point is 00:13:37 mullet. I'm always like, dad, you're your fucking mullet. And he won't because my mom likes it. Don't be, don't be fooled by our women telling us what they like all the time. They're trying to keep you off the market. I looked at my girl, I was like, what the fuck are you not checking me the way I was dressing like four or five years ago? I was like that, I totally lost my swag and you can even say nothing to me. Oh, I like the way you dress. Oh, I like this.

Starting point is 00:13:57 Yeah, yeah, looks like. I like that you're losing muscles. Yeah. Like, do you really? Yeah, right. Oh, I don't know. Because you need to hit the gyms. Because no one's paying attention to me or they're calling you to think I don't know You can hit the gym though it's made a pinch of me or they're calling you think they're old

Starting point is 00:14:07 You think it's a conspiracy? It is a conspiracy It is Damn it babe are you trying to keep me ugly? All women do this Are you trying to do that? It's not a scammer dude Does it make them think we would ever do this?

Starting point is 00:14:15 We'll see, we'll see what happens I might do it, I might not I don't know Hey, you know not to get all a somber on your mind Wait, wait, before you do Okay, before you do I want to bring something up because I feel like Butcher box has lost their mind. Why they've lost their mind. Oh wait wait is this the bacon deal dude

Starting point is 00:14:33 Can I just tell you how brilliantly amazing they did this last year and you know they had to stop because too many people were doing it Yeah, this is so here's the deal I call this the bacon, but if you subscribe to Butcherbox, you get free bacon ready? Forever. For life. For life. Get out of here.

Starting point is 00:14:52 Bacon forever. Well, how's that even possible? I have no idea, but like, what happens to signing up? What happens to be? We have the scarcity of pigs one day and like the price of bacon goes like, yeah, are they fucked?

Starting point is 00:15:02 I mean, what happened? Probably, but let's let, let's worry about that later. Right now it's all about bacon forever just forever Justin on his own I told you guys I make like I make everything with butter and the other like big components that's bacon and cheese and cheese butter bacon and cheese that's the Justin diet it's very actually very much my diet we should write a guide okay called the bacon butter and cheese diet because I guarantee you will sell millions of copies. Very high.

Starting point is 00:15:26 How to paint toilets all over the world. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha butcher box where you, you know, you pay monthly, you get a box of whatever you pick, right? Chicken, the beef, super, look, here's the reason why we're working with butcher boxes, the quality of their meat, the sourcing is, yeah, it's insane, it's the best quality. But they were delicious and it's very good quality. So but if you sign up and you pay a fee and you get it delivered to you, whatever, just for signing up, as long as you keep your membership forever, they'll give you free bacon, which is, I just have fun. That's so funny. I'm so excited. I feel like free bacon can get you anything.

Starting point is 00:16:11 Like if I were running for president, for example, I'm like, Hey, everybody who votes for free bacon. It's almost like you're some cocaine. You know, it's like, it's that's so exciting. Yeah, vote for me. Yeah. You'll get a free bacon fly. Bacon, eat, kill me.

Starting point is 00:16:23 Hey, I want, I want to invade the rest of the world. I want to take a little. Don't do it. But if we do, we'll get free bacon for life. You, hey, I want I want to invade the rest of the world. I want to do it But if we do we'll get free bacon fly. You're literally gonna put a smile on everybody's face You can convince anybody to do anything if you offer bacon for life easily easily I wonder if they'll have to shut it down if it did last time like this will be like a rush of people that will come It's kind of like what just happened with all the hopes. I hope so I hope we like crash their website like the movie pass, right? Wave of bacon. Mike and my publicityers love bacon.

Starting point is 00:16:47 You do Matt, you know who hates this vegans. That's what I do. This really goes against there. Because you know what bacon comes from? Yeah. Cute pigs. Yeah. Cute pigs.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Now with the best part of delicious. The best part really though, aside from it being, you know, grass fed, grass finished is also the fact that obviously not the bacon is, but I mean, the meat they say That's part really though. Aside from it being, you know, grass fed grass finished is also the fact that, obviously not the bacon is, but I mean, the meat they send over, it's also the pricing. I mean, you can't to get grass fed grass finished. I don't know how they make money. It's so expensive as it is,

Starting point is 00:17:17 and then to be able to undercut the prices at a store and then have the convenience of it shipped to your house. I think that's what it is right there, eliminate the little man. Well, yeah, they did exactly. They did like they thrive did it. I mean, this is the future to me. The future of how we're going to get.

Starting point is 00:17:30 That's a nice. Doug just put a big gift of a bacon like like wearing a bikini dancing. You know what? I wouldn't be that surprised if I walked in on just kind of turning me on. Jerking off to that. Oh, I wouldn't be that. Surprise. God's disgusting.

Starting point is 00:17:43 Yeah, it is. But you were saying about them. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know it's just that I think, God. I wouldn't be that surprised. Oh, God's disgusted. Yeah, it is. But you were saying about them. Yeah. No, I know. It's just that I think the future of how we're going to get, I mean, how convenient is it now that we can get food like this shipped to your house, like literally almost overnight, man.

Starting point is 00:17:57 That's so bad. Technology, bro. Technology has created, has eliminated so many barriers. I wonder what it's going to do to like grocery stores and places like that. You gotta think in the future that it's just, did you know you can, cause you know Amazon and we're foods, right? Amazon owns Whole Foods now, right?

Starting point is 00:18:11 Did you know that you can order your groceries online from Whole Foods and it'll be delivered to you else in two hours? Did you guys know that? Two hours. Of course. How the fuck are they doing that? Because it's Amazon.

Starting point is 00:18:22 Two hours, pretty soon, pretty soon you're gonna order food and it's gonna be like Star Trek. Where it's gonna be? Yeah. There it is, right? Or it's already built in. You get a 3D printed. Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:18:33 Yeah, that's true. Dude, did you guys see all the people on our form that have 3D printers already? Yeah. Our form is so cool. Yeah, they are. We do have their cool. Wow, you already have that?

Starting point is 00:18:41 I know, I didn't know you could do that. Some guy said he, like, immediately once you bought it, he'd like, made once you bought it, he'd like, made another one. I mean, it printed another one. Like another one of our forum, what about our forum guys has three, has three in his house already.

Starting point is 00:18:52 You know what I, you know what's, so I get a lot of questions, actually very common question is, Sal, where do you get your studies that you quote so much? These days I get them from the forum. All from the forum. Yeah. It's such a great resource for me, because people will post them like cool,

Starting point is 00:19:04 I'll talk about that. Yeah. On tomorrow's episode. Anyway, somber, you are going to bring something up. I think that how are you going to talk about? Yeah, dude, we have Anthony Bourdain and Kate Spade this last week. I know. Young, both of us had 61. Anthony Bourdain was 61 who I was a big fan of his. I don't know about you guys, but I really liked that guy. He was a jujitsu player. Dude, everybody believed like he had the life, right? Like, he all over the world. Like, yeah, dude, he was, I mean, food wise, everything else.

Starting point is 00:19:33 Like, he's made a massive, he's one of the few people who I've heard other people say like, I would love, I want his life, right? I've heard people say that before about like what he does. He's a very, very interesting guy. And then Spade, she was 55, I think. Crazy. Did she hung herself?

Starting point is 00:19:49 What happened with there? She hung herself. Yeah, I mean, like what? So she was an actress, like, no, no, no, no, she made purses, like designer purses. Yeah, Kate Spade purses. I don't know. Oh, you don't know the brand.

Starting point is 00:20:01 Oh, yeah, it's a very popular brand. Okay. Yeah, it's, you know what it highlights to me is that, because if you look at the drug abuse rate, the mental illness rate and the suicide rate, in regards to celebrities, in comparison to the average population or whatever, it's kind of high. And I think what it highlights is,

Starting point is 00:20:24 here are people with fame, money, access to, you know, sex, drugs, like whatever, basically way more. Like if you're a celebrity at that level, your life is so different than your life than the average person in terms of access to all these material things that you want. And yet these people, the depression rate is so high. And I think, and I'm speculating, I'm not a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, but it is a subject that I'm very passionate about because I find the human psyche very, very interesting.

Starting point is 00:20:57 And I think what happens in these situations is, here you are, you're somebody who may be suffering from depression or whatever, and you think you're going to find meaning and purpose and happiness in material things. Like, okay, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, you know, devote myself to working my ass off to make a lot of money,

Starting point is 00:21:18 or I want to achieve this particular level of success because that's what's gonna do it for me. And then the worst possible thing that could happen for you is you actually get what you want. Exactly. And then you realize it is so much like the Twilight Zone story you share, the alchemist. I mean, it's really, how crazy is it that, you know, when we start to look at it, when you see these type of examples, like, you know, is it maybe the, maybe the no and that

Starting point is 00:21:43 you can't have or that you have to work towards, that that's where the joy and the happiness is really found, like trying to look at things like that, like wow, you know, these people, how many knows do you think they had, you know, how many knows do you think they get or things they couldn't have, like you get to a point where you make that kind of money, you're at that level that people are just giving you everything you could ever possibly want and some and anything you do want, you can literally go purchase and buy or experience. And it really might take a lot of the excitement out of life.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Part of the excitement over life is seeing something that you potentially can't have or been told, no, you can't have it. And then having to work towards it. And I think it's not the end goal, or it's not the thing that you achieve when you finally get there, but really the beauty is in the journey there. I agree. And I also think, you know, if you look at human existence or the human condition,

Starting point is 00:22:36 for the vast majority of the time that we've been on earth, Life for everybody, everybody, men and women, children, whoever, was extremely difficult, was extremely oppressive. We died from everything. We were hunted by other animals. We were starving. We so much mystery in life. We didn't understand why we would get sick, why people would die, why our children would die.

Starting point is 00:23:04 Wars and famines, and it was a grueling, miserable life and existence, and I think humans evolved, and here's the thing, we're also blessed and cursed with consciousness, we're aware of a future and a past, we're aware of all these different things, and I think in order to deal with ourselves, with that consciousness, we had to learn how to find purpose. And purpose is not being happy and having good things

Starting point is 00:23:34 happen all the time. Purpose is finding meaning in the bad shit. The bad shit that happens to you like, oh, I lost my job or I lost the love one or this terrible thing happened to me. Well, what's the meaning behind that? What can I take from that? Why did that happen?

Starting point is 00:23:50 And if you don't find, if you try to fill that hole within you with material things, I watched a great video with Bishop Baron. He's that Catholic pre-sales talk about. The reason why I love the guy so much is forget the religious stuff. That's not the stuff that attracts me talk about. The reason why I love the guy so much is, forget the religious stuff, that's not the stuff that attracts me to him, he talks about these real things,

Starting point is 00:24:09 and he talks about this spiritual silo that we have, that is what gives us purpose and meaning, and he goes, if you're trying to fill it with material things, if you're trying to fill it with stuff that you can buy, if you're trying to fill it with pit. It'll not only will it never fill, but it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and you start to become more desperate as you realize this isn't helping. And I can't imagine a more desperate situation than being depressed and searching for those

Starting point is 00:24:39 things and thinking you're going to get it, oh, you know what, when I finally make a million dollars, when I finally make five million dollars, when I finally make five million dollars, when I finally get famous, when I finally get all these things, then I'll finally find peace, and then you get that stuff, and you're sitting there, and you're like, fuck, I didn't get what I thought I would get. That's a scary situation to be in, and that's... Well, I think that's what happens

Starting point is 00:25:00 to a lot of these really super famous people that we hear that take their lives. Now, of course, we are completely speculating you have no idea what else is going on. Of course, persons live. That's what happens to a lot of these really super famous people that we hear that take their lives. Of course, we are completely speculating you have no idea what else is going on. Of course, person's life. Or if there was, and many times it's not as chemical. How much is it that you're like coming from the net? Right.

Starting point is 00:25:15 There could be many variables that send them over the tipping point to take their own lives. But more than likely, I think you're on the right track that all these things that many of them thought were probably gonna give them this happiness. Yeah, and it doesn't. And then on top of that, maybe chemicals or maybe someone in their life, they lose or whatever. Could you imagine being somebody like this? And again, this is me all, I have no idea

Starting point is 00:25:41 if this pertains to them, but could you imagine being somebody who has literally dedicated your entire life to chasing money or chasing things or success While you had this incredible partner all along the while with you and you finally achieve it You're there life is so grand and then that you lose them right they die or something like and you think back like holy fuck I had the last 30 years with them, but I was so myopically focused on my own, my own desires and goals and monetary things and these things that I thought were going to create happiness that

Starting point is 00:26:15 once I achieved all of them, I realized it wasn't. And in fact, it's all those little moments that I had with her or him that were that were really feeding my soul. And I really devalued that because I was so focused on these other things. I imagine how crushing that has to feel for somebody potentially. Oh, terrible. I think your story, Adam, is one that I like to communicate is where you were in an industry making a shit ton of money

Starting point is 00:26:43 with potential to make way more fucking money. And you left that industry because, you know, in your words, you were like, well, this is not, what I thought it would be, it's not what I want. And you came back to the industry that made, that gave you that sense of purpose, which is health and fitness. I mean, that must have been,

Starting point is 00:26:59 what was that like figuring that out? Well, I think, I think, and Kudos to you for being self-aware enough. Well, I think I'm really lucky, right? I really believe that one, I was rewarded for getting into a space early, funny you bring this up because I just posted it. Did you see my post it just did yesterday? You know, I was rewarded for getting moving into a space or moving into blue water

Starting point is 00:27:21 before it's shark-infested like it is now. I mean, everybody in their mother seems to be jumping on the cannabis bandwagon. So I was rewarded for that and saw a lot of success really quick. And so the lucky part was that it came quick, right? Like, how much of that would have sucked? Had I moved into that space and it got drug out over 15, 20 years. Right, chasing it. That's a good point.

Starting point is 00:27:42 Chasing it where I was rewarded really quick. And then also, and I had this abundance of materialistic things. And I remember just kind of, and for about a year, it didn't really sink in. For a year, it was fucking rad. Like I'll be the first to, you know, it was, you know, the toys and the travel and the, you know, crazy nights and parties and things

Starting point is 00:28:04 that I was able to do and stuff. And also, I'm a big giver, so I was able to bring a lot of people along with me, like I elevated many other lives along with me, which that kind of fed my soul a little bit for a while. But then it got to a point where, you know, I definitely was not an anti-bordane or Kate Spades level at all, but for me, and what I thought I needed to be at, you know, is the young kid that didn't have much growing up, you know, I had achieved what I wanted to do financially as far as success

Starting point is 00:28:36 was concerned, or what I thought was success at that point. And when I realized that, when I, you know, looked at my life and thought about how I felt physically, how I felt emotionally, the relationships that I had built, the interactions I was having on a daily, and if I was really being honest with myself, I really wasn't happy with a lot of that. I wasn't happy with the people that I was networking with on a regular basis. You know that's a big part of what I love to do. And if I'm having to communicate with all these people that were into a lot of drug dealers, a lot of shady people, a lot of people that just

Starting point is 00:29:08 have different passions than I did. And I wasn't into that. My health was the tour. I was starting to start to really decline after, you know, the first year or so that I was getting into it. So I saw that the relationships that I was in, I had a failed. The first time I ever had a really failed relationship. The first time a woman had ever cheated on me was during that time. I had a lot of things outside of the money, success that I was having that was really telling me. A lot of people, I think, what they do, and I did this for a while too, is you numb it with... Nothing like a cool when a girl cheats is you, you numb it with, like nothing like a, you know, you know, it's cool when a girl cheats on you and you can hop on a plane the next day, go to Vegas, drop 20,

Starting point is 00:29:50 $30,000 with a friend, poolside with girls all over you. I mean, that'll numb that right up, you know, and you can only, but you can only do that so many times before you realize, like, you have to keep upping the end to you right? Exactly. You know, because, you know, before that was, that was a big deal. Well when that becomes no longer a big deal anymore, it's like, well, what else do I need to do to try and band-aid this stuff? And so, you know, I started to piece that together and, you know, where I think I was blessed and lucky

Starting point is 00:30:20 was that I was wise enough because I was older at this point in my life. And so I had, and I've shared this before on the show that I took my, I had this, you know, after I made a bunch of money when I was in my early 20s, spent and lost a lot of that money and saw where my house went

Starting point is 00:30:35 as I lost a ton of equity with the whole, you know, 2009 era and stuff like that. I started this thing where, okay, I need to be more responsible financially. And so anytime that a month would in, I would evaluate my income and say, okay, let's say I had $500 or let's say I had, you know, $15,000 extra at the end of the month. I had to invest or save half of that. And then the other half of that I could go blow and spin. So because I had implemented that into my life, it really saved me because

Starting point is 00:31:10 after a couple years of blowing a lot of money and trying to fill this empty hole, I still had a lot of money that I had put away and saved and covered myself to now reevaluate, where am I at in my life right now? What really does serve me, What does make me happy? And that's what drove me back to fitness. And I was, I was okay. I was lucky enough to be able to say, I could walk away from everything.

Starting point is 00:31:32 I could say, I'm gonna just bury my head into this. We'll figure it out. That's when Justin and I really reconnected again and we started working on the app at that time. And you were dating Katrina at this point? I was just starting to get with Katrina. So Katrina was with me on the exit of the cannabis clubs, but still was with me when I was still brokering cannabis to all of the clubs.

Starting point is 00:31:53 So I used a lot of my relationships that I built when I was running the clubs to then use to, you know, broker, and I was also growing and doing all those things. So that was, and then I continue to do that for a while. And, you know, until finally I was just like, and I had lost family over, I've lost friends. Like, so more than one of my best friends, we don't speak anymore. So that happened during that time.

Starting point is 00:32:16 A family member or cousin of mine, like I completely wrote off him during that time. So I destroyed more relationships. So the time during that I was making the most money and had these things that I thought were so important, I destroyed the most relationships, both family, friends, a female relationship like in that time and looking,

Starting point is 00:32:37 and that's me being looking back now in it, you don't see it. You know what I'm saying? In it, it's there, it's them. She cheated on me, it's her fault, right? You know, I'm saying she that's bad on her. That clarity comes when you when you step out of a situation. And if yourself were enough, you can you can start to get clear, right? But when you're in it, it's so it's like being in being in a game versus watching a game, you're in a game, you only see what's right in front of you. Right. And that doesn't tell you the whole story. It's so great too, because I even look

Starting point is 00:33:01 at my attitude now with, you know, the way we handle this business. And it's, I'm again, so glad and lucky that I went through all of that first before we all came together. Because even when I look at money and finances now, because I still enjoy that stuff, I'm still monetarily driven. But I look at it more like a feedback

Starting point is 00:33:20 or like a point system to me now than I do like I need to reach this dollar amount. So like when I see revenue coming in for the business and it's not like, oh, I get excited because I'm gonna go buy myself something. In fact, many times we don't even touch that kind of money, right, it goes back into the business. It's more like a feedback of, oh, it's growing,

Starting point is 00:33:36 oh, it's doing well. Oh, it's like the business is healthy right now. Yeah, right, it's like scoring points, you know, for us for the win, you know, it's not. It's a difference between like being happy that you see your business growing and needing it to do that kind of stuff. There's a big difference.

Starting point is 00:33:50 It's that needing that. For me, my kids, they do that for me more than anything else I can imagine. Having children is the most, I could easily say the most challenging thing that I do on a regular basis. And it's challenging for a lot of different reasons, it's challenging because you have to sacrifice a lot.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Of course, money and time and freedom, it's challenging because nothing will challenge your sense of vulnerability like a child. If I don't have kids, if something happens to me't have kids, you know, if something happens to me, or I mean, of course, if something happens to my family members, that I'll worry about that kind of stuff, but it's not like worrying about your kids. Like, when my kids to walk to school,

Starting point is 00:34:32 if my son forgets to text me when they get there, there's that kind of challenge, right? There's a challenge of that fear. The challenge of watching them go through their challenges and growth, the challenges of when they're, when they wanna, you know, test and be rebellious and they haven't even become teenagers yet. So I don't even know what that's gonna be like.

Starting point is 00:34:47 Like it's the most challenging thing easily I can say that I have to do, but at the same time, nothing gives me purpose in meaning like that, nothing at all. I look at them and I look at what I do and what I do for them and watch them grow. And it's fulfilling, it's fulfilling. It's not happiness, although there are extreme times of happiness with my kids where I'm

Starting point is 00:35:12 just ecstatic. But you know, you a happy, sad, frustrated mad, my kids will piss me off too. It's fulfillment. It's hard to explain, but I think that's the best word. Even with kids are not kids, right? I really think that it's the challenge, right? So this, it's lucky. It's lucky for me that I also have an incredible partner. Now, I mean, Katrina, being with me for seven years now, obviously is very much so responsible for a lot of my growth and evolution too, because I have a partner I can rely

Starting point is 00:35:42 on to check me on my shit or have me look at things differently instead of just Jumping on the feel sorry for myself. That's such a valuable thing. Oh, it's incredible You know have somebody there that that you know is gonna challenge right right you guys were just joking about it before we got on air like Yeah, we did yesterday We were watching this video that we all did where we're using a teleprompter that we have and we're doing this like presentation thing and And we all watched as a group with our like our marketing team like everybody's there So it's like a big big group or whatever and at the end of it. We're like, oh, that was good That was good and Katrina's like I could tell Adam's reading or something like that

Starting point is 00:36:15 Real quick to let me know right but she also does it too where like you know This is a business and we there's definitely hard days and challenges and you know I'll come home and I'm venting I'm frustrated Because something's not working the way I wanted it to or whatever right and she always just checks me that like You know, did would you want it to always go your way like you wouldn't would you and it's so true It's like if it was so easy. How quick would you be bored? You know how quick would it be unfulfilling that? It's like, if anyone could just do it, or if it was that easy,

Starting point is 00:36:46 then it wouldn't be desirable for me to pursue it. The fact that it's challenging, the fact that I have these setbacks, the fact that I fall down, the fact that I fuck up, the fact that I make bad decisions, or I get frustrated, is the real sauce, man. That's where it's really sweet. It's learning to...

Starting point is 00:37:02 Yeah, it's interesting to me just to think about how many people are really stuck in that frame where they're still trying to hustle and trying to get to a place in a destination. And they're not pursuing anything that's giving them current purpose. They're in a job space where they're doing, and it's out of like, you know, they're trying to survive. It's a protective, you know, it's comfortable, it's safe. And it's interesting to me because, I mean, it's not that long, like I've been an entrepreneur,

Starting point is 00:37:37 like I was sort of in the mindset, you know, if like I need to get a job, the scarcity, like side of that, like it's frightening, you know, like, how am I gonna make ends meet, you know, how am I gonna do this? And, you know, to be able to kind of pull yourself out of that and then create something yourself, I mean, it's so empowering.

Starting point is 00:37:58 I, it's funny, because I'm always like suggesting that to people, but it's not for everybody at the same time, you know, and so. It doesn't have to be with business, it could be with so many other things. Sure. One of the things that to people, but it's not for everybody at the same time, you know. And so it doesn't have to be with business. It could be with so many other things. Sure. One of the things that I enjoy communicating to people and clients is doing things for the sake of doing them

Starting point is 00:38:14 or doing things for the sake of the enjoyment of doing them. And when you can find that space, and I use this usually in the context of fitness, because what I'm talking to clients, obviously, I'm trying to help them, you know healthy lifestyle a fit lifestyle and so I try to communicate them that Training and exercising and eating for goals. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily All of us tend to set goals and want to achieve and accomplish particular milestones

Starting point is 00:38:39 But but if that's all of your motivation You're not going to be in a good place It's not gonna you're not going to be in a good place. It's not going to be consistent, and you're going to find very quickly that it's not going to be enjoyable. Now, if you exercise and eat right for the sake of the pleasure of doing those things,

Starting point is 00:38:57 like if you sit down in front of a plate of really fresh organic vegetables and grass-fed meat or whatever, healthy, well-prepared types of foods. And you're doing it not for the goal of losing weight, but if you're doing it for the sake of the pleasure of doing that one thing and you find pleasure in that or if you find pleasure in exercise, like I work out today and I do have goals sometimes,

Starting point is 00:39:23 but the main reason why I work out is I enjoy working out. Like I just enjoy the process of doing it. I'll never stop because that. Well, you're describing is like, we keep talking about being present, but like even like the challenge of raising kids and like they, they force you to be present

Starting point is 00:39:39 in that very moment. Like, not that of the shit you're thinking about, like matters at all to them. And like, they want, they want that, that attention, they want that, the eyes and they want your, you're being to be there with them. And, uh, you know, that's, that's what I, I'm finding that even more with, like, if I'm training or if I'm, you know, yeah, I want to get ready for whatever the fuck goal I have or whatever, but what really matters is what I'm doing right now and how about I just focus on this specific exercise, this specific workout and the more intent I can bring into that process, you know, the better it makes everything and plus my mental state is way better and healthier in that process.

Starting point is 00:40:21 You're in such a mindset too, like, you know. If I'm sweeping leaves in my backyard, right? It wasn't that long ago where any type of manual labor, I fucking dreaded, I hated it, I hated it so much. But now what I do, and the mindset that I create now, when I'm doing these types of things, is I say to myself like, well, I'm here, I'm doing this, I wonder if I can find enjoyment in the act of actually doing this.

Starting point is 00:40:48 And you know what's funny? You can, and you can do it many, many times. I've done this when working with my dad. My dad works with his hands a lot. And when I was a kid, he used to bring me along. And although I enjoyed spending time with my dad, I used to also hate doing mixing cement and grabbing the buckets of sand

Starting point is 00:41:03 and bringing them on. I was like, so hard or whatever. But at one point as I got older, I remember thinking to myself, like, well, I'm here with my dad. This isn't gonna last very long, because at some point I'm not gonna be doing this. I'm gonna be moved out of the house and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:41:17 And so at one point, I started just enjoying what I was doing at that moment, like I'm here with my dad and we're building things together and we're doing, and it's like a light bulb. It just, it switches and all of a sudden, it's almost like- I'm changing your perspective. Don't make reality your enemy. Like don't go to war with your reality.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Make friends with it. If you're too short, if you're too fat, if you're, if you live in a place, whatever, sometimes you can make friends with it because it's the reality and you can work towards changing things at the same time, sometimes you can make friends with it because it's the reality. And you know, you can work towards changing things at the same time, but you can make friends with it and find that it'll change, you know, I guess it gives you kind of a little bit of a purpose and meaning behind what's going on.

Starting point is 00:41:55 And, you know, I'd like to say this, you know, I know we have a large audience. And, you know, maybe you're listening right now and you're in a sad state, maybe you're depressed, you feel empty, you feel numb. And I tell you what, you can always reach out to one of us and hopefully we get lots of messages, so but hopefully we'll see yours and we'll reach out to you. But just know that there's people definitely care.

Starting point is 00:42:20 Even if you feel like nobody does, people definitely do. And the first person that needs to care is you, and just, you know, I hope that'll help people, you know, just by hearing that, so. For sure. My sister just sent me a text saying

Starting point is 00:42:34 that Kaepernick is trying to sue Trump. What? Please pull that up. Please pull that up, Douglas, please pull that up. We can talk about that on the next episode. Can we, can we, why not? Can we just go right now, record this motherfucker. Please pull that up. We can talk about that on this episode. Can we next one? Can we get why not can we just go right now record this motherfucker? Let's do this. I know you'll do be like Hey, Doug before you say the question. Yeah Doug before we go pull up that thing that Adam just mentioned dude

Starting point is 00:42:56 My sister just text me right now that Breaking news Cap or dork is trying to sue Freakin Donald Trump For what I don't know I got it. We got a Google Google magic over there. Let's go Douglas news. Capredork is trying to sue freaking Donald Trump. For what? I don't know. I got it.

Starting point is 00:43:08 We got a Google, Google magic over there. Let's go Douglas. That's a, talk to me here. I didn't even know this was happening. That's the last person you should try suing on Earth. Report. Colin Kaepernick expected to subpoena Donald Trump. What does that whole article say?

Starting point is 00:43:21 I can't read. Mike Pence. The next, I got to read it. You got to open it. The next move in Colin move in colon cavernix collusion collusion case against NFL could involve subpoenas against Donald Trump and Mike Pence his legal team are expected to seek a federal subpoena to get testimony from Trump and Pence and other officials about what the goal is to find out via the federal arbitration act what Trump pens and those officials said in direct discussions with NFL owners about cavernix free agency.

Starting point is 00:43:51 Oh, he just wants to find out what they said to the NFL owners what their influence was. Can you do that? Yeah. Like you could subpoena the president about a private conversation. Well, apparently like we live like in a world like that you could do that. I guess they're trying to use the subpoena the president about a private conversation. Well apparently like we live like in a world like that you could do that. I guess they're trying to use the subpoena Trump. The Federal Arbitration Act. Good luck.

Starting point is 00:44:12 Wow. Yeah, good luck. Come on, they just laugh at that, right? That's what they can't carry anyway. How much money does that cost to pull that together? I sister, I appreciate the love sitting over so I can lift this up. I don't think that this has any legs. I don't think you I mean come on Donald Trump's is gonna It's just it probably a publicity stunt. It does sound a lot like a publicity stuff right?

Starting point is 00:44:32 Trump's gonna laugh at it be like fuck off on the president, bro Sapino me. Yeah, we'll see That'll be interesting. It is interesting. I'm sure you'll get a lot of support with it Yeah, I don't know if he's already got a ton of support as it is. All right, I bring on the question Douglas This quas brought to you by Organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try or gain a fight totally risk risk free for 60 days by going to

Starting point is 00:45:06 organify dot com that's a large and i fi dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout first question is from carbon alessah do you think bodybuilding and just training in the gym is for those people who aren't talented or good enough for real sports such as football, soccer, Olympic, golf, etc. Explain that to me. Do you think bodybuilding? So, so she starts off by saying, by the way, she's a huge fan, she's a pretty ripped young lady, Carmen Alessa, a great page. Anyway, it says, very controversial question and not her opinion.

Starting point is 00:45:43 Do we think this question? Do we think that body house I do you would? Do we think that bodybuilding like in the gym is for people who aren't that talented at like real sports? Yeah. Well, you know, definitely not because I did it. You know what I'm saying? Like I can play sports completely different.

Starting point is 00:45:58 Although I will say that it is very common to meet a lot of very unathletic bodybuilders. Yeah. You know what's funny? It's it is it is very common to meet a lot of very unathletic bodybuilders. Yeah, you know what's funny? It is common. It reminds me of like, just because somebody's muscular and built because they lift weights in the gym, does not make them athletic. Well, let's unpack this a little bit. It's hidden just muscular.

Starting point is 00:46:17 Let's unpack this a little bit. There is, and this is an overgeneralization, but it's true, that many bodybuilders that are huge, big monster steroid guys out or someone who grows that size were driven through insecurities because you were probably very small. Most of them have these great transformation pictures of when they were a 16 year old boy.

Starting point is 00:46:38 And so they probably didn't have the most athletic build when they were younger. Therefore, they probably weren't very good at sports. Therefore, they found something that, you know, fed their physique and was able to build it and shape it and they latched onto it and then, and then fed. Now, that's an overgeneralization. There's exceptions.

Starting point is 00:47:00 I'm an exception to the rule. I was an athlete my whole life. I pursued it for other reasons. So, of course, I'm not alone. There's other, I'm an exception to the rule. I was an athlete my whole life. I pursued it for other reasons. So of course I'm not alone. There's other people like that. Well Phil Heath, Mr. Olympia, wasn't he a college basketball player? I don't know if you played college,

Starting point is 00:47:11 but he played basketball definitely in high school. And he was now, he was an exception to the rule as far as, you know, he was this just genetic freak, you know, and that's why he's named, and he was that way in high school, he looks better than what I look like on 500 milligrams of testosterone. Oh yeah, you see that picture of him and he's like, yeah, in high school playing basketball.

Starting point is 00:47:33 I don't even know if he's lifting weights at that time, just shooting a ball around made him look like me. Was it Ben Picolsky like an athlete too before? Yeah, I think Ben was. He said the first time he squatted, it was like 300 pounds and like that. Yeah, just naturally. Just sat into it, okay?

Starting point is 00:47:44 With you and your genetics. Right, but's just natural. You bet. You bet. Okay, when you're genetics. Right, but I definitely think there is a lot of, I mean, I think there's a lot of insecurity in bodybuilding. I think there's a lot of people that. That's not a controversial statement. That's true. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:47:55 And that's it. It's true, too, that I think a majority of them are unathletic. Now, it doesn't mean that there's still a bunch of them that are athletic. I think there's a lot that are. It's, I mean, not a lot. I would just that are athletic, I think there's a lot that are. I mean, not a lot. I would just say that it's totally an over generalization.

Starting point is 00:48:09 You know, like, I think it just hits on, you know, something that whereas an athlete, you kind of look at some guys that are humongous and you want to kind of take them down a notch. You know, there's a little bit of that too from the insecurity from the athlete side. Oh, of course. You know, like kind of looking at these guys is like,

Starting point is 00:48:26 Oh, well, they're, yeah, but they can't fucking move. And then every now and then you'll see one that does like back flips and like, you know, can jump out of a pool and you're like, Oh, shit. Right. So it's, it's just funny to me because it, it, it, it highlights a lot of like this, this division where it's like, you know, I wanna, I see somebody doing something awesome and I wanna kind of cut at them a little bit, you know? And it's funny, because I actually caught myself

Starting point is 00:48:53 a lot growing up with that kind of chip on my shoulder that like I'm an athlete, you know, an athlete I actually fucking use my muscles. Right, the stupid bodybuilder is like, oh dude, is just puffing themselves up to like, peacock around and look like assholes and be a douchebag in the gym and check themselves in the mirror, right?

Starting point is 00:49:10 Like I don't live like that. Like you know, and I had this like total like perception of them. Meanwhile you're walking around at a bad ass because you're an athlete. Yeah, it's just like, it's one of those things though. I had to check myself on that and really calm down and appreciate it more as I started to train that way too.

Starting point is 00:49:29 And I remember like going through that and like starting to do hypertrophy training. Oh my God, this fucking brutal, like it's a brutal process. And then there's that other side of the eating component that I was like completely uninterested in. And then going through that, it's like it gives gives you an appreciation that,

Starting point is 00:49:46 yes, it's such a discipline on a completely different spectrum than what I was doing. It's just different. I remember when we used to hang out with Craig a lot, and he was when he was living over here, and God, he used to get so mad if you referred to a competitor, a bodybuilder as an athlete. Because I still talk like that,

Starting point is 00:50:04 when I remember, to me, they're all sports and you as an athlete. Cause I still talk like that, like when I remember, to me, they're all sports and you're an athlete in your own. That was a debate back in the day. Is it a sport or is it art? That was in the 70s and 80s, it was a big debate. Right, right. And I think they're definitely is a athletic component to it.

Starting point is 00:50:20 I don't care what you say. You know, like you can, there's an athletic skill to lifting weights. Here's the deal. Bodybuilders definitely build athletic ability at their sport. So if you watch a bodybuilder work out, they work out good. They know how to work out. At least they're a specificity.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Yeah, they know how to contract muscles, isolate muscles. They know how to, you know, hit a body part of particular way. They know how to angle, you know, exercise. Which to me, I think, is no different than comparing a tennis player to a football player. I mean, there's a lot of major differences between those two sports, but they're still there. They're still sports in their own right. Take a top level swimmer and put them on a field and watch athletic there. They're not right. You know, because what makes you good at swimming probably makes you terrible on land and vice versa, right?

Starting point is 00:51:05 You need short legs in the pool with a long torso and long arms on the field. He won't kind of the opposite Here's it. Here's a this is a little bit of a generalization, but there's a lot of truth there generally speaking More strength and more muscle will benefit you at whatever sport you do generally not always of course like if you're a You know if you're if you race horses, you don't wanna be a massive person. If you're in a weight class, you don't wanna be a massive person. But generally speaking, more strength will definitely benefit you.

Starting point is 00:51:32 So bodybuilding or resistance training, I should say, will benefit any sport. But if you go into, if you never played sports, and all you do is go to the gym to build muscle, you're not gonna get better at sports. You're just gonna be a bigger, stronger version of yourself, which was someone who was not athletic to begin with. There is no place I see this where it's more prevalent than in the fighting sports. So much more prevalence in the fighting sports because in the fighting sports, you know,

Starting point is 00:52:00 if you're a fighter, if you're a boxer or a wrestler or a grappler, you're always testing yourself against another person and it's dominance, right? Yeah, can I pin you or can I choke you out or can I knock you out and big dudes with a lot of muscle? You know if you get two people of equal skill like exactly the same skill, same fitness level except one of them is bigger and stronger and they fight the bigger stronger guys in a win because strength does matter It's just well. We saw this we saw this we saw if you're gonna use MMA You saw this example when we saw Brock Lesnar come into the UFC, you know He came out and like kind of dominated some of his fights right away because he was just his brute strength was so much

Starting point is 00:52:39 He was even the technique. It was no technique He was a wrestler and he was a D1 wrestler. Yes, so he came in with that back. I'm just mean in terms of life. In comparison. Well, yeah, then you saw he ran into Frank Mir and Frank Mir. He fucking ankle locked him and fucked him with him the first run. Yeah, then the next time they fought, yeah, that didn't happen.

Starting point is 00:52:56 No, no, no. I mean, yes, bigger and stronger if all other factors are the same, it's going to help you win. But I used to see this in Jiu Jitsu all the time because a big guy would come in, would want to sign up, has zero skill in Jiu-Jitsu. And Jiu-Jitsu is one of those sports where, you know, if you're throwing punches,

Starting point is 00:53:12 there's always a luck, you always have a lucky puncher's chance. Like if you connect luckily with a punch and you're a big strong dude, you're gonna put someone to sleep. There's no luck in Jiu-Jitsu. You have to note the technique or you don't. Like you're not gonna submit someone

Starting point is 00:53:24 just out of, you know, sheer luck. It's just a little more. Well, you're not gonna submit someone just out of sheer luck. Well, you're not gonna submit somebody that has technique and understands it, right? I could go put someone in a chokehold without any sort of practice of jiu-jitsu, but I'm not getting a guy who's a block belt jiu-jitsu. I'm not putting him in some choke or not. I'm getting choked out for sure.

Starting point is 00:53:40 And so you see them all the time. And a fighting by their rules. Right. And you see it all the time, and it's always fun because you know you have skill and technique. And so it's like it's your own ego, right? Oh, I'm going to show this big guy. I can manipulate his body and choke him out and put him in arm lock or whatever.

Starting point is 00:53:53 So you see that all the time. But yeah, why do people pick bodybuilding? It's not because they suck at sports. It's because they want a bodybuild. I mean, that's really, I mean, I got into lifting weights, not because I suck at sports. I got into lifting weights because I wanted to build muscle because I was insecure about my body. It wasn't because I said, that's really, I got into lifting weights, not because I sucked at sports. I got into lifting weights because I wanted to build muscle because I was insecure about my body.

Starting point is 00:54:07 It wasn't because I said, oh shit, I gotta find something I can do because I suck at everything, you know, sport-wise. The reality was I didn't even care about that. I really didn't give a shit. It was, I'm gonna lift weights because I know that's what's gonna put the most muscle on my body because that's the one thing that's designed specifically

Starting point is 00:54:23 to do that. And so that's what I ended that's designed specifically to do that. And so that's what I ended up getting good at. But in terms of like, why are they doing that? Is it because they suck at sports? No. But yeah, bodybuilding isn't going to make you better at sports. Although I will say this, if you take the average sedentary person who does nothing and then you take the average guy or girl who lifts weights on a regular basis and both of them are shitiate sports and you have them go play a sport the dude that works out or the girl that works out has an advantage yeah they're fit yeah the more fit the more strong there's more strength

Starting point is 00:54:53 more of a cardiovascular everything that comes into play yeah all that comes into play the funny part was when we used to have like when we are twenty far fitness together and we had like a group of. Everybody was in great shape. Great shape. Then we went out to play softball. You just quickly realized who has any athleticism at all. It was very, very crazy to me. There was only maybe two or three people that actually had athleticism. I was very thrown back by that because I just assumed right away, just based off their physique

Starting point is 00:55:26 and the way that they moved that they had athleticism in it. It was naughty at all. No, that's why I think it's very interesting. Where she's heading with this question, I think there is some truth to this that, I do believe that there is a large portion of people that tend to gravitate towards bodybuilding, portion of people that tend to gravitate towards body building that maybe failed towards athletic pursuits or maybe never really pursued them at all didn't care what happened. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They would they instantly fell. I mean, sounds an example. I mean, he very young age, he found his passion for lifting at 15. Mine was for sports.

Starting point is 00:56:00 You know, like I had like the lifting in the garage. My friends was an afterthought. I was looking to play basketball outside or go hit balls on the garage. My friends was an afterthought. I was looking to play basketball outside or go hit balls on a field. Like that was like what I was doing at that age for sure and even into my 20s where somebody who might have found bodybuilding at a young age like that, they just never really pursued athletics

Starting point is 00:56:21 and they went towards sculpting their physique more. Now that all being said, if you're looking at the average person or you're looking at the population, and if you had to pick something that would benefit their lives, the regular lives more fully than anything else, and forget bodybuilding for a second, I'm just going to say resistance training because bodybuilding is very specific. Oh, you could still say bodybuilding because I know where you're going with this argument. Yeah, it's way better than a sport. Oh, yeah, no.

Starting point is 00:56:47 You take the average person, you're like, okay, we're gonna make you fit. You know, that's the crossfit. You play basketball. You know, that's a big crossfit defense, right? Of course. Crossfit always comes back and says, like when people talk about all the injuries

Starting point is 00:56:56 that happen in Crossfit, the joke within Crossfit is that, there's way more injuries in the average American that just plays pick up ball. It's probably true. It is, no, it's definitely true. I mean, I've been somebody who played pick up balls all my life, it's rare that I would go to the gym and somebody didn't go down with me.

Starting point is 00:57:14 That's true. Because you have a bunch of amateur people that aren't trained. Moving explosive. Yeah, moving explosively. I mean, I'm shit, I fuck that's how I tore my Achilles. That's how I tore my ACLM, ACL was playing, you know,

Starting point is 00:57:25 Rec League type basketball in my mid to late 20s. So yeah, no, I think that that's a common argument or debate that CrossFit will have when somebody tries to point out their injuries. So they're like, okay, so you're saying that, you know, it's not safer than, you know, Joe Smow going down to the gym and playing. And I'm like, okay, I can see that defense.

Starting point is 00:57:45 Next question is from Mofo Lolo. Mofo Lolo. What are the best exercises for poor posture like forward shoulders? Forward shoulder is quickly becoming the, like an epidemic. It's the state. It's already been an epidemic.

Starting point is 00:58:00 Posture. And it's the most common posture deviation. There's a lot. CD rows a great one. Yeah, in fact, when I was a personal trainer, and I haven't trained anybody, except for maybe online coaching, I haven't done anything like that for a few years now, I could guarantee you if I'm going to do an assessment on you,

Starting point is 00:58:19 that it was rare to not see this. I would always, I would say, I guarantee you we're going to not see this I would always I was like a guarantee we're gonna see Forward children the Silicon Valley like think about it for yourself right now all the assessments You did how often would you do it assessment on someone be like oh wow, yeah, they don't have forward children No, I've read it. I've talked about this before I'm maybe not on this podcast, but that upper cross syndrome is I think it's like present in 75 or 80% of the population. So we also call it kaiphosis is another term.

Starting point is 00:58:48 That's when the low back is also that's a and that was an old that's an authentic. That's an old stat that I used to ram off. So I think it's worse now than ever. I mean, I go outside and find someone without without. Yeah, you'll be out there blown away by what we're seeing right now with, you know, the four, got to went to the movies last night and I'm walking out of the theater. And it was crazy because it was like just a busy time. Katrina and I went around five or so. So it's like six, seven o'clock in the mall, which is crazy.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Time to be in there. And I just don't go there a lot of that time. And as I'm walking out of the mall, you know, there's probably a herd of 20 people or so coming from all different angles to walk funnel into the door. And I'm looking out at everybody who's kind of like walking towards me and I'm dodging people. And every single person was walking, reading their phone while they're walking into the mall. Yeah, yeah, just heads, heads down, looking down at their hands and texting them like,

Starting point is 00:59:36 whoa, like we people have no idea what shrimp. Yeah, dude, you have no idea what's ahead of us in the next 10 years. Your body molds and shapes to what you do the most. Okay. And on extreme levels, humans have figured this out and have shaped their bodies in very strange ways. Like, for example, if you look at pictures of the, you know, gaysha girls from Japan in the 19th century where they used to bind their feet as they were kids.

Starting point is 01:00:02 And what they would do is they take their feet because it was desirable to have these little tiny, tiny feet and they would bind their feet as children and as they grow, the foot would actually grow underneath itself. She stepped on top of your toes. Yeah, and it looks like a little hoof. You can actually Google pictures of this. Just discussing, and it's perfect. And you can say Doug's about to do it right now.

Starting point is 01:00:20 No, don't do it. And you can see, I've seen it, I don't even see it. You know what? Exactly Chinese, not Japanese. Chinese, I'm sorry, it. And you can see, I've seen it. I don't even see it. You know what? Exactly Chinese, not Japanese. Chinese, I'm sorry, sorry, Chinese. They also used to, in some cultures, they would bind, they would bind, like planks of wood to people's heads

Starting point is 01:00:35 or to children's heads to shape the head so that they were elongated. So that these long upper, no way. Yeah, and I forgot what culture was that did it, but I knew the rings. Yeah, the rings in the neck. That's another one. We're elongating the neck, but the one on the head is funny because you have all these

Starting point is 01:00:50 conspiracy theorists. We're like, oh, that shows proof that the aliens visited. They want to look like aliens. Yeah, they're trying to mimic the aliens. And I'm always like, I didn't know what a fucking alien looks like. Like, I didn't know that's what they're trying to do. You know, it's stupid. But yeah, your body molds and shapes. Because aliens.

Starting point is 01:01:05 Because I saw Independence Day, duh. To what you do the most of. So the reason why I'm saying that, the reason why I'm trying to make that point is we're gonna go through some exercises, we're gonna tell you what you need to do. But here's the key, the key is frequency. Okay, when it comes to changing a recruitment pattern,

Starting point is 01:01:22 it's different than trying to build a hole. Doing it two times a week in the gym, is just not enough. Not if you're trying to correct an issue that you have going on. You have to do it all the time. Yeah, take, like, like, adamantly take breaks,

Starting point is 01:01:31 like, from sitting at your desk or whatever you're doing at the time, really, present yourself up right, you know, get your chest up, get your shoulders back, you know, look up even. A lot of times, like, I'll check myself to look up

Starting point is 01:01:43 and get my body in full extension because, man, it just feels great to do that. Do this. Do this. If you have a poor posture, like forward shoulders, well, first off, here's the issues that it can cause. Besides looking like it looks, it causes neck tension because the upper trapezius muscles try to stay tense to stabilize your shoulder. So you have neck tension, you'll feel tension your upper back, could cause shoulder problems. It's connected to headaches too. Connected to headaches because those muscles in the neck

Starting point is 01:02:10 attach at the base of the skull. And when those get tight, it can trigger headaches or migraines. It causes your head to go forward. So you get that kind of weird forward head, you know, look, that comes along with it. It can cause breathing issues because as the shoulders come forward, you're not able to get a full diaphragmatic breath,

Starting point is 01:02:27 which then contributes to the feeling of being in a sympathetic state, which feels like anxiety. So I've literally... And you're talking on all the, I feel like it's important to even say too, like this is something I used to do with clients, just to show, especially my female clients,

Starting point is 01:02:42 especially if you're curvy and you have shape to you, like bad posture looks so. You get some boobs. So bad. Like you can take somebody, not lose any way. Like I used to do this test all the time, like you know, I'd stand them in front of the mirror and look at their body and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:02:56 Then I would put them in the correct posture. This way you're supposed to lay out. Everybody looks better. Oh, you look like you, you look better than if you lost 15 pounds by standing upright. Somebody that is immediately your confidence goes with you. Yes.

Starting point is 01:03:09 Not only does it go up because you look different, but it actually goes up because there's this feedback mechanism with your body where how you feel in your mind or emotionally changes your posture, but your posture also sends feedbacks the brain that says you should be feeling a particular way. That's the power pose. I mean, it literally works.

Starting point is 01:03:28 It does. I've done it, like going into like big meetings, like I will literally throw my hands up, and I'm in this like victory position. So you know, it's funny is that I remember when I was first starting as a trainer, and you know, I remember learning NESM and the corrective exercise stuff and all the like, you know, quadruped, the prone cobras, and all these exercises that I felt were mundane and I know I didn't put a lot of energy and focus

Starting point is 01:03:53 on with my clients. You just kind of had to do them. Right, yeah, you should do this every now and then. I know I was taught to tell you and teach you and stuff like that, but I really didn't, looking back now, I look at these are some of the most important things that you can incorporate either into your day or into your routine because of what it's addressing.

Starting point is 01:04:11 The prone cobra for the average person that does it. Amazing exercise. It's, they look at it and they even they do it and they're like, okay, you know, whatever, don't really feel it, but what it's addressing is literally the most common areas that everybody's neglecting with the Imagine if everybody just stopped in middle work and did that a few times a day. Oh 100%

Starting point is 01:04:29 It would change the way your day felt. Yeah, you know for all the reasons that we just covered look here Here's an easy thing here. This is very very easy Get yourself good quality Resistance bands because they're super easy and convenient you can take them anywhere You can pull apart the company that we like to work with is rubber bandets. And the reason why we work with them is they're, I've worked with bands forever. It's part of its trigger sessions in Maps and Obolic

Starting point is 01:04:52 and bands snap and they're just whatever. These are really, really quality. So get yourself good quality bands. Take them with you to work and several times a day. Okay, and here's the key now. Because you're doing it so frequently, you're trying to change your pattern. You want to do it frequently, but you don't want to go super intense because then you start to tap into recovery abilities. So then if you go too intense with lots of

Starting point is 01:05:12 frequency, you'll actually cause yourself more problems. So the goal is several times a day, three to four to five times a day for a grand total of 30 seconds, take that band, put it around an anchor point like a door. In fact, I think the rubber band it comes with door anchors, whatever. Stand up real tall, do a standing row where you focus on, forget the arms. I'll do a whole YouTube video on this.

Starting point is 01:05:36 Forget the arms, the arms are coming back. Shoulders are trapping and pinching. Weasier shoulder blades back and down. The down is important too, don't just bring them back because otherwise you'll just shrug them. Cause you probably have shit. You'll notice you won't elevate your shoulders. Let's do this video.

Starting point is 01:05:48 I think this would be a great YouTube right here, Doug. If we got time after this, I would love to actually do a video. Because I've been wanting, memory told you it's been wanting to do like an iPhone thing. This is like the same thing, right? So it's like, I think we did one. Didn't we? No, no, we have not, not specific to that.

Starting point is 01:06:03 Like I want to do one that's like addressing iPhone postures like I want to call it or you know how do you address the forward shoulders and I want to do give some practical exercises like this and so they can see because here's the thing too this is what's really important. Okay, now if you have really excessive forward shoulders and you go to do a movement like a prone cobra or you do like a cd row, some people, it's so bad because they've been in that position for so long that they can't get connected to the muscles responsible

Starting point is 01:06:31 to get them in the proper alignment when they do it. And so they don't really actually help. They just solidify this poor recruitment pattern that they already have. So how you do the movement, how do you do these little prone cobra or quadruped or you do these types of movements? What's up, Sam? I did, I did.

Starting point is 01:06:48 I'm gonna send it to you right now Adam, so you can maybe we'll link this in the show notes. But the title of it is, it had a fixed rounded shoulders and the picture in fact is me on my phone with rounded shoulders to kind of show people what that looks like. Oh, when did you do this?

Starting point is 01:07:02 I did that with a while ago, like three, four months ago with Taylor, specifically. I don't think anybody was in here. It was just me and him. Oh, I don't even remember you doing this. We didn't even notice. Yeah, we should definitely put the show notes. Put that in the show notes.

Starting point is 01:07:13 We'll send that to Jackie. But yeah, so do grab a band, do some standing rows, pull the shoulders back and down, squeeze real hard, let them roll forward, repeat. Do this for like 30 seconds, you know, every day, four or five times a day, and within a matter of a week, you'll probably notice changes in your posture

Starting point is 01:07:33 because you're changing those recruitment patterns. And it makes a life changing difference to do this kind of stuff. It's not about intense workouts when we're talking about changing pattern. In fact, like Adam was saying, if you go too heavy or too hard, your body's gonna revert to default.

Starting point is 01:07:47 It's default pattern, and you'll actually strengthen the wrong thing. So make sure you go easy and light and bands are just perfect for this. Next question is from Stellar Hefe. For someone training for an obstacle course race, like Spartan, what's the most optimal way to program training for aerobic endurance,

Starting point is 01:08:04 strength, and the functional skills required to program training for aerobic endurance, strength, and the functional skills required to do these kinds of events? Is it best to focus on one specific type of training, per session, or incorporate several of all of these? Do math performance. So this is what Katrina races on Saturday. Oh, she's doing another one? Her and her brother are doing another one.

Starting point is 01:08:24 Oh, so she got bit by the bug, man. Well, they're trying to, you know what Spartan does really well, so brilliant. So fucking Joe to see in the man. Yeah, no, let me tell you, this is so brilliant. Like, so when you do their, your rate, their race, they have different ones, right? They have a sprint, they have the,

Starting point is 01:08:40 what's the big monster? The big ones monster, I think it's fine. I know, it's not monster, something else though, but they have, they have like three levels, right and there as far as out challenging how long they are how many obstacles how many how many miles total and When you go through it you get like this really cool Medallion but it's it's a it's a single medallion But it fits into a bigger medallion if you have all three You want to complete the so You want to complete the puzzle, dude?

Starting point is 01:09:07 And it's a pretty dope piece already as it is by itself. And then together it builds like this super cool medallion, right? Yeah. So of course, our brother got that like he got a gamification they built. We went out to eat after I went last time with the fuckers wearing it inside like I think we stopped

Starting point is 01:09:23 like that. He did it. He's walking around with the movement. You inside, like I think we stopped by that. No, he did it. As soon as he walked it around, he said, you know what, I totally did not say it. So I love you if he's listening to this right now. I'm just teasing, right? Like, you know, but it just shows you the sense of pride that it put in, and it's kind of cool, right? So Larry's, you know, my brother-in-law's 40 years old.

Starting point is 01:09:38 And, you know, he used to be an athletic guy. When he's younger, he's now, he's had a computer. He's a computer guy, and he sits at a desk all day long for like 16 hour days, some days. And there's a part of him that, the reason why he signed up with Katrina was to just see if this is something that he still can do.

Starting point is 01:09:59 And just him completing it gave him this sense of fulfillment, made him feel good. You could see that, then they reward you with a diet. So you could see like sense of fulfillment, made him feel good, you could see that, then they reward you with the medallion. So you could see the sense of pride in him wearing it around later on. And you know, so anyways, back to how I'm helping them. So I'm actually helping both of them train for this

Starting point is 01:10:17 and Justin's right, maps performance would be a great thing to me. How long is performance? Is it 14 or 16 weeks long? It's a four phase. Yeah, because there's two week phase where it's all just devoted purely to. We actually had somebody in our form

Starting point is 01:10:34 that actually did it and they crushed it. They did better than the previous time. So it worked really well with that. Now, I took it to the next level and was really specific because now I've had the opportunity to go to these races. I've seen all the obstacles. Plus you know them. You get to train them. Exactly. I know them. And so I'm there. And so what we do is so most the races, you never have more

Starting point is 01:10:54 than about a one mile run between each obstacle. So I have them run for a mile and then I have them do a couple drills. So that might be a dead hang that I have them do, because there's a lot of that type of stuff for you that you have to hold your own body weight up or go across monkey bars or climb over something. So having good grip strength and being on the holder body weight, so we do that. We do some pull-up work.

Starting point is 01:11:17 We do some like sled dragging, because they have to drag some things like that or pushing or carrying, so sandbag carries. So there's a lot some things like that, or pushing, or carrying, so sandbag carries. There's a lot of things like that. I typically pick two or three exercises that I incorporate in between each little lap that they run. They go take off, and we're running outside because I want them to be used to the impact and running on the ground.

Starting point is 01:11:40 You could use the treadmill for cardiovascular reasons, but you want to obviously emulate what they're doing outside as much as possible. So they're running outside, they do about a, three quarter mile to a mile run, do a couple of obstacles, do it again, come back, do a couple of obstacles, do it again, and we continue to increase the amount of volume

Starting point is 01:11:58 of one of the obstacle stuff that they're doing, and then also the amount of time that they're taking to get through the mile or so. And that's kind of how I've progressed Katrina to get ready for that. This is something that I would love for us to do because I think we have a large OCR audience that actually would love some specific programming.

Starting point is 01:12:18 I think in general, I think MAP's performance does a really good job that if you're following that, you're gonna get the benefits of that. Oh, yeah. If you're 16 weeks out from a race, first off, you need to do the specific, you need to be smart and trained specifically for the obstacles and stuff, practice, because they all require a high level of skills, not just about being fit. It's also knowing how to swing across things, climb things.

Starting point is 01:12:42 You don't want to find a gym that has ropes and the sandbags, like you mentioned, to carry and all these types of things. Yeah, so do all that for the specific skill portion of it, but you can do maps performance from beginning to end and have the end of it lead you up to your event, so you peak for your event and you'll be perfect. From a fitness standpoint, you'll be perfect because it's literally designed to address

Starting point is 01:13:04 all aspects of athletic performance. That's the whole thing behind mass performance. It's full spectrum athletic performance. So strength, agility, speed, mobility, having a bigger gas tank. And the way we designed it is that it ends right into a season. Because when we first wrote the program,

Starting point is 01:13:22 the goal was like, okay, this should start in the the off season but then it should lead to being in season so then you're ready for your sport, maths or formance is perfect for this. And then you can introduce like those very specific skills like within the portions on the mobility days as well. So that would be something I would suggest you know if there's like some specific skill like I'm trying to learn how to climb a rope better. I'm trying to you know, like learn how to manage like a big stone and walk with it like I would actually like apply that on those days and like really focus it on that and then that way I'm still building and applying and getting this like general strength overall

Starting point is 01:14:03 and then building my skill set as well. Next question is from Mark Kalhoff. Why would I buy Map Split when up until now, I've been told full body three to four days a week is superior. For example, Annabolic and aesthetic. I love how he's saying. Jam, jam, jam.

Starting point is 01:14:21 No, you know what? It's true. And exactly why we released it the way we did was for this reason, because for 80% plus of the population out there, a full body, three to four days a week is superior. Because there are very few people I have trained in my life, and I believe the boys can, we'll add to this,

Starting point is 01:14:47 that can actually work out consistently six to seven days a week for month on, month out, year on, year out. Most people have other lives and other pursuits that they, or family and kids and things that get in the way of being able to train six. Most people can do sprints of that, right? And what we have found that most people have long term success

Starting point is 01:15:12 where they can keep themselves in this shape for a long period of time when you can build and structure a program that is designed that they only need to be in the gym three days a week. Now, that doesn't mean that there's not a 20% of the population that are more like probably the three of us who love to be in the gym six, seven days a week and have made it a part of their lifestyle and their career and they're in their all the fucking time. And so there is ways to split the body up and be very beneficial for that

Starting point is 01:15:40 person. That's a good point because body, let me tell you why body parts bl splits typically suck. The reason why they typically suck is the programming. It's not that you're breaking up the body. That's not what makes them shitty. It's the fact that most modern body parts splits first off hit each body part once a week. That is too little frequency of training for most people. Most people need two to three days a week of frequency, two to three being the average, and a lot of that depends on the volume

Starting point is 01:16:08 and your independent genetic, the way your body recovers and all that stuff, right? But most modern splits work out like this. Monday is Chester, Tuesday is Back Day, Wednesday is Shoulders. They're literally going to the gym, hitting one body part, and that's it for the entire week for that body part

Starting point is 01:16:26 That's just not gonna work for most people you need more frequency In fact the original body parts splits that Arnold and Franco and all those guys did still train the whole body two to three days a week It's it's just it just devolved into this and the reason why I devolved that way is because bodybuilders are on a shit ton of steroids They don't need to train that frequently. They can hammer a body part once a week and their anabolic signal stays elevated all the time. Somehow they can still walk tonight. Yeah, they're on tons and tons of gears. Not to mention too that the training the six days a week,

Starting point is 01:16:58 you know, split type of routine is more volume than again, 80 to 90% of the population needs when they for most people that are listening this podcast right now are coming on or off the wagon. You know, they were consistent for the last six months or year. Oh, they got busy, work, family, travel, whatever the fucking excuses. And they're getting back in the gym. They have no business going right to a big split routine that's six, seven days a week. But somehow they get this impression or this idea they need to be doing what their hero is doing on Instagram. Right, well that's what's marketed to them right now.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Yeah, you have to be doing this because Jay Cutler is doing this every single day and this is how it works. And you're not Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler has been doing that for the last 20 years, consistently and has built up that his body can handle that much volume. And he's genetic free. Right.

Starting point is 01:17:48 That it needs that much volume to maintain that mass. Andy's on gear. Andy's on. That's his job. Here's the other thing. Body part splits, modern ones. They never phase or periodize. There's no periodization in bodybuilding split routines.

Starting point is 01:18:01 Ever. It's literally, one body part a day, go to the gym, eight to 12 reps, change your exercises every once in a while, do that forever. Yeah, and it's all about the supplements. You know what's funny? I don't know any other resistance training modality besides the typical modern bodybuilding type modality

Starting point is 01:18:20 that doesn't periodize their training. Olympic lifters do it, power lifters do it, kettlebell athletes do it, people that work out with clubs and maces do it. The reason why they all do it is because the body, first off, they measure their results by their performance. Bodybuilders measure their... Yeah, bodybuilders measure by aesthetics.

Starting point is 01:18:40 Well, I cannot progress in the gym at all with my workout and just change my diet and it looks like I'm progressing, which is what a lot of bodybuilders do. Or I can manipulate my water and my carbs, or I can manipulate my drugs. Now, performance athletes, they can do that as well, but you're not going to get your squat up 50 to 60 pounds just by doing those things. You have to have really smart programming. In fact, if you look at the typical dumb, and I say dumb, not because people are dumb, but dumb in the sense that there's not a lot of programming involved, you look at the

Starting point is 01:19:10 typical dumb body parts split routine, look at it in front of you, and compare that to the typical power lifting routine that's accepted that people would use like Smolov or some other... Look at the difference. You're going to look at the power lifting routine is going to have percentages of various... It's going to have periodization. Here's where you go max effort.

Starting point is 01:19:27 Here's where you go light effort. Because that's what works on the body. That's another reason why splits tend to be shitty. They don't do that. Well, so what we did, and by the way, this entire time that we haven't written a split, this entire time that we've written full body routines, we've been getting pestered by people. We want a split. We want a split. And we knew at some point we would write a split,

Starting point is 01:19:47 but it just wasn't time. But we knew when we write it, we're gonna do it the right way. We're gonna make sure you get the right frequency, the right intensity. We're gonna program our right, we're gonna phase it, and we're also gonna take it on as a challenge. That's it.

Starting point is 01:20:00 Well, and then we're also gonna present it as not the ideal place to start. So if you're somebody who has maps and a ball, and you've followed it, and then you follow maps that aesthetic, and you also are open to go into the gym six days a week, I highly recommend split to you. I think you'll love the fuck out of it, and you'll see great, you're gonna, because it's added volume. It's definitely, you're definitely gonna see change and progression.

Starting point is 01:20:21 Now, do you think you can maintain six days a week and continue doing that that much volume? I don't know. You know that answer. And we know that a majority of people, the answer is really no, which is why we waited to put it out this long. It's not us changing our tune from, oh, full body is superior to now saying like, oh, hey, split is superior. No, this isn't like a fucking sales pitch. It's, there are some people that this is going to benefit. There are some people that are at this level and could use this. And it is like Sal said, something that people have been begging for

Starting point is 01:20:52 for like the last two years from us. So here it is now. And here's how we recommend that you use it. We don't recommend it for you. Here's the ultimate bodybuilding training cycle. Ultimate. Start with anabolic, go to aesthetic, go to split, start to cycle over. Okay, if your goal is only body building, if that's all

Starting point is 01:21:10 you're looking for, literally, if in an hour, we always recommend that you individualize your training, especially if you, once you've done the program once, that you start to individualize it, because at the end of the day, we're great trainers, but we're not training you individually. We're writing programs for everybody. So when you start to learn about your body, make sure you individualize it. But, if you want to just follow the directions, here's what you do. Anabolic, aesthetic, split, rinse and repeat.

Starting point is 01:21:36 Anabolic, aesthetic, split. Watch what happens to your body, because you can go from low volume, heavy strength, higher volume, or bodybuilding focused, to straight bodybuilding focused, start over that cycle again. That is an infinite cycle of progress, and I think if your diet's good, you will probably reach your genetic potential faster following a cycle like that than anything that I can think of. I love it too, because it highlights how we approach things.

Starting point is 01:22:02 We're not married to an idea. You know, like, we're challenging ourselves to like, like, find the truth in multiple different pursuits. And so I think that, you know, I love questions like these because it feels like people are like, no, well, I put you in this category. Right, right. And it's like, no, no, no, you know, yes,

Starting point is 01:22:20 we do feel strongly that, you know, it's superior for most people, but guess what? You know, we're gonna challenge your ideas in all kinds of different directions. All right. Excellent. Next question is from Faye Bird 23, would personal training be a wise career choice

Starting point is 01:22:36 for an introvert? No. Well, it's that's Justin. Well, I'm not an introvert. Justin, you're not. Just what's hilarious is that people think that just because I get uncomfortable when it's like all the attention. I don't think that people think you're an introvert.

Starting point is 01:22:50 Some people say that. You know what? No, definitely not. You know I've never heard anybody say that. You know it's true about this. I'm so about to tell me that. I think there's a little bit of a contrast because when we're talking, he's with me and you who are, if we're in front of Mike or camera, we're super.

Starting point is 01:23:03 Here's the thing about introvert expert. We need a little bitch. Yeah. You guys talk a lot. Right. you who are, if we're in front of Mike or camera, we're super, here's the thing about introvert expert. Or needy little bitches. You guys talk a lot. You know, like, people don't realize that, you know, like, like getting a fucking word in adjoys is taking me three years. Are you gonna say, how do you not go crazy with a couple of big mouths? Oh, I love it.

Starting point is 01:23:19 See, that's the thing too. I love good conversation. I love listening too. So it's not like, I'm not scared to talk. It's just like, I get enthralled. I get like into what we're talking about. It's why this works. I see people that are trying to build something similar

Starting point is 01:23:35 with three hosts. And it's what I see them failing miserably at is that it's really tough to find. You need to have a Justin. You do. You do. You gotta have somebody who doesn't get it up a little bit. They don't care about talking that much.

Starting point is 01:23:46 It's not their thing. They have something to add when they wanna add it, but for the most part, it's not a need for you to be in there and interject all time. So, here's the thing with introvert extrovert that I learned a while ago, not too long ago, but a while ago. Depending on the situation, first of all,

Starting point is 01:24:02 it's very rare to find a pure extrovert and a pure introvert. For the most part, it depends on the situation, first of all, it's very rare to find a pure extrovert and a pure introvert. For the most part, it depends on the situation. For all you's me's an example. If I'm on the microphone and I'm doing a podcast, if I'm in a small group of, let's say, five to ten people, if I'm in front of a camera, I'm an extrovert. I'm as extroverted as it gets. You put me in a super large group

Starting point is 01:24:26 or if we're going to a party where we need to mingle and I don't own anybody, I need to be with an opener. Like I need to go with someone like Adam who Adam in those situations is a pure extrovert. Like we go to a big party, I know Adam's gonna break the ice and then I'll come in and do my little, you know, my work when I get a little bit more extroverted but that whole break in the ice thing,

Starting point is 01:24:44 that's not my thing, that's when I become introverted. Yeah, so it depends what you mean by an introvert like if you're a pure Entrovert you probably don't want to work with people at all, right? Yeah No, being engineer something where you could just like type away at shit all day and like not you know answer to everybody Everything go. Yeah, it's you have to be able to have like some form of communication skills and interactions with people This is part of the process. You're trying to help other people. Well, that's such a good point because I think that a lot of people think they're an introvert because they're scared to put themselves out there and that's different. So if you're like so sure with your friends and you're outgoing and you're playful and you're loud and you have

Starting point is 01:25:18 a great time and like you're a people person but then you know, you're comparing yourself to maybe some YouTube stars or even like you's as an example, you see what we've done you know, you're comparing yourself to maybe some YouTube stars, or even like you's as an example, you see what we've done in fitness, and you're like, oh, I don't know if I could get on a mic and talk, and I don't know if I, if you're comparing yourself to others that you see doing that, well, then, yeah, you know, that's totally different than you being a true introvert where you don't like being around lots of people. And I think you're absolutely right with there's very degrees of it. And I think that like situationally,

Starting point is 01:25:49 like there'll be times where I pull back. And I'm like, okay, I'm not like gonna be all out in the front for this type of environment in this situation, but there is times where it's like, okay, I'm gonna be out there in front of you, I'm gonna entertain everybody, I'm gonna get out there, I'm gonna talk to whoever in front of you, I'm gonna entertain everybody, I'm gonna get out there, I'm gonna talk to, you know, whoever, and like, lighten it up. And so it's just, it's a matter of like, finding your strengths,

Starting point is 01:26:11 and then like, using that and channeling that when you go into your, your craft, your job, whether it's personal training. So that was something that I connect with people in a different way that you guys each connect with them. And that's something you find within yourself. Oh, it's funny. Put us on a stage and watch Justin become an extrovert. 100%.

Starting point is 01:26:29 Put us on a stage. And that dude, all of a sudden becomes like super extroverted. It's different from person. I've had trainers, I've had trainers who are very, very successful, who are more introverted than other trainers who are also very successful, who are more extroverted, both very different.

Starting point is 01:26:47 That's why I said Justin, I didn't call your name because I think you're introverted. Yeah. I used to use an example because you're a good example of a trainer who was a top producer. Let's talk numbers right away. Okay, so first, the reason why I spouted out right away that no, it's just because the odds are greatly against you.

Starting point is 01:27:01 Yeah. It's an 80-20 rule already with training. So 80% of the people are making only 20% of the money, and 20% of the people are making 80% of the money in this space as it is. It's definitely, there's not an even split here at all. Like, it's very tough to be successful, and it's not a super lucrative business as it is, right?

Starting point is 01:27:22 So it's already challenging to make a lot of money doing it as it is. And then on top of that, if you add that you're an introverted person, you're only making it more challenging. Now does that mean there's not a very successful introverted trainer? No, not at all. In fact, we've met YouTube celebrities that you think

Starting point is 01:27:38 are extroverted and that are making millions of dollars on social media and shit like that. And they are introverted very much so but because they can perform on YouTube they actually have learned a way to build a very successful business in fitness because of that. So if you have a strength that you can play to like Justin was saying that for example I think there's room for somebody who's brilliant and that can program really well or is really, really understands nutrition or is worked with so many people and helped so many people nutritionally or these think you have something

Starting point is 01:28:10 to really contribute that separates you from the extroverts that are into fitness. Well, then you now have an edge, you have an advantage and you can play into that and you have an opportunity to be successful, but I'll tell you right now, the odds are against anybody, first of all, even wanting to get into fitness, it's not an easy space to be successful. But I'll tell you right now, the odds are against anybody. First of all, even wanting to get into fitness, it's not an easy space to be successful. And then if you're also going to be introverted, it would be, you know, rich as it's just

Starting point is 01:28:33 like, I would say the same thing to just someone coming in the space who's fat. Sorry, but we're in a very superficial space. And even if you're the most brilliant person, you're getting into, you're, you're adding something to, or you have something. You're adding another barrier. Yeah, you're adding a disadvantage to being successful in a space that that would be, but does that mean that a fat person can't be a health and wellness professional

Starting point is 01:28:55 that makes lots of money? No, they exist, they're out there, but it's gonna be that much more challenging for you because it's a very superficial space. Same thing goes for being an introvert. Doesn't mean you have to be. It just means that a lot of people that are into this are into people like Sal said and a people person.

Starting point is 01:29:12 That's really gonna help when you're working with thousands of people. Well, I'll tell you what, my first step. For a part of it. You know, it's a good example. Jessica's a great example of that. If you put Jessica in a crowd or in a, with a lot of people, she's very,

Starting point is 01:29:22 she can be very shy and very introverted. But on a one-on-one basis, she's extroverted, one-on-one, she flourishes. Now she's a personal trainer, she's extremely successful, she runs her own business doing it, she likes working in a private studio because that's where she flourishes, because it's a smaller environment, smaller group, it's more of that high quality person-to-person type of interaction. She does very well. But if you're a pure introvert

Starting point is 01:29:48 where you really don't like working with people, you're not really, you consider yourself not a people person, then why would you want to work with people? Because that's a personal trait of you. That's gotta be the worst thing. You know, maybe write blogs. Maybe write fitness blogs. You know, it's something like that.

Starting point is 01:30:02 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. There you go. Stick with computers. Check my god. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. There it goes. There you go. Stick with computers. Check this out. We all have Instagram pages. You can find us. I'm at Mind Pump Sal. Adam's at Mind Pump Adam.

Starting point is 01:30:12 Justin's at Mind Pump Justin. Also, we have free guides. I don't know, a lot of people don't know this. You can get a bunch of our free guides, like Flabby Arm guide, Flat tummy guide, how to maximize your high intensity interval training guide. You can find those at, what do we find, what do we send people to those?

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