Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 791: Moving Your Body Fat Set Point, Improving VO2 Max, the Best Way to Warm Up & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this voluptuous and bodacious episode. Whoa! Hello there. Oh, mind! So curvy. Do you have one of those dictionary things that gives you the word of the day? No.

Starting point is 00:00:24 Oh, you don't know. I like the word voluptuous. I do but I never use it You know what is it's in weird words, you know what though voluptuous I'm just that my you doesn't it sound like it should be voluptuous doesn't that sound more like appropriate a voluptuous Like voluptuous makes sense more than voluptious. They're not an M in there. There is it. It's just volupt I would have sold it. I would have spelled it with an M. With an M? Yeah, the future. I'm talking about library. Anyway, for the first 45 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We talk about hustle con.

Starting point is 00:00:50 It's the hustle con. That shit is coming up. Look, if you're an entrepreneur or if you want to be an entrepreneur, or you'd just like to be a small person. Or you just run in place and hustle. June 22nd in Oakland, this is an event with great speakers. It's a great meeting of the minds. We are giving you guys, we actually get the hookup,

Starting point is 00:01:08 $150 off the ticket, it's exclusive. Go to hustle.com. That's a massive discount, so. It is hustlecon.com, enter the code, mine pump, get $150 off. I thought we talked about a bunch of other stuff before that. Doug, was you sleeping on the job? Just not taking notes on there.

Starting point is 00:01:21 No, I'm not. I feel like you opened up with that. So we did? So I put it there, yeah. That's right. I thought we were talking about taking notes on there. I'm not either. You opened up with that. So we did? So we did? Yeah. I thought we were talking about it. You talked about it twice. Oh.

Starting point is 00:01:29 There you go Adam. Oh. Then we talk about Mindpunk. I get for questioning the producer. As a cake. I'll check. I'll check. If checked me real quick.

Starting point is 00:01:37 If Mindpunk was a cake, who would be the frosting? Find out. We got to listen. We got to make up the meat of it. Got to listen. Then we talked about the recipe for organified golden milk. Oh. The golden latte. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it.

Starting point is 00:01:46 I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it.

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Starting point is 00:02:02 I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like to organifi.com. Thanks, Doug. Yeah. For messing that up. It's good. We talk about MIT and the psychopath, artificial intelligent machine called Norman. Norman, can we put a stop to these crazy ideas? Yeah, what the fuck are they doing? What is going on?

Starting point is 00:02:17 Then we talk about Russell Berger, who is the Chief Knowledge Officer of CrossFit and who got fired. Is he an asshole? For talking, for saying that being gay is a sin or celebrating pride is a sin. Yep. Anyway, get in. Then we get into the question.

Starting point is 00:02:31 We didn't see. The first question was, this person took a VO2 max test. Usually only does jujitsu for endurance, wasn't necessarily satisfied with their endurance test on the treadmill. Should they test their endurance at things they're not good at in order to test to see what their endurance test on the treadmill, should they test their endurance at things they're not good at in order to test,

Starting point is 00:02:46 to see what their endurance is at? We get into VO2 testing, endurance testing, how to improve your endurance, a lot of stuff, in that part of the set point. Yeah, what's the worth of those tests? The next question was, set points, do they exist? Does your body just want to be at a body weight and no matter what you do, it's gonna force you

Starting point is 00:03:02 to get to that body weight? Is that false? Is that real? you do, it's going to force you to get to that body weight. Is that false? Is that real? Next question. This person wants to understand the best way to warm up is warming up just a way to prevent injuries or is there much more to it? We talk a little bit about priming and how important that is to your overall success. Then the final question, have we ever thought about philanthropy through

Starting point is 00:03:26 MindPump? Have we ever thought about helping charities or other causes besides helping ourselves? Yeah. First you gotta help yourself. That's right. Also this month we have a promotion running all month long. We literally took the price of maps anywhere and cut it in half. Whoa. In half. Maps anywhere as a program requires almost no equipment, can be done anywhere. It is a great way to break up your work out. So if you're following any of our maps programs or anything else and you want to kind of do a deload or you want to change it up, do maps anywhere for about four weeks, jump back

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Starting point is 00:04:54 All of you are winners, send the name I just read to my email at iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Are you guys going? Is anybody else going besides Taylor? I think he's bringing Eli. I think he's bringing Eli. So Taylor and Eli will be at hustle clown. Yeah, I agree with him on that instead of us.

Starting point is 00:05:14 I would have mine going to listen to the blue coffee. No, I wouldn't mind going either. I mean, if we can make it, is it this weekend or the following weekend? The 22nd, June 22nd. Oh, are we in LA? That's, wait a minute, what's the date right now? It's 11th, June 22nd, next Friday. Oh, we will be probably coming back from LA.

Starting point is 00:05:38 Dude, what if? Oh, it's a Friday. Mm-hmm. Hustlecoins are Friday, not Saturday. Oh, I just assumed that it was on the weekend. I didn't know that I'm Glad you brought that up dog because hustlers like to go on a Friday, bro And I want you to know yeah, it's almost like you turned it into a rock song. Oh, yeah, yeah You did a little bit 20 seconds is Friday. You're right. I always do that God, what do we do without you? Oh, it's kind of rock a joke

Starting point is 00:06:07 What do you think you guys would do a guy if we didn't have Doug? What would we do? What would we do? Yeah, we talk we do We Throwback. What do you think my pump would have been without without Doug? Yeah, for sure We would be we would have had a great conversations about this great podcast that we would have started. It never would have captured. Never, ever would have captured. It would have been one of those ideas. I was like, damn, that would have been good.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Like, you're so funny, Sam. Yeah. Nobody cares. Nobody ever knows. Who knows? Yeah, it opened your computer. What does it look like? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:06:39 We have no idea. We would have been running a lot slower. It wouldn't have been possible. Look, let me put it this way. Okay. We have no idea. We would've been running a lot slower. It wouldn't have been possible. Look, let me put it this way. Okay. Can you bake a cake without one of you ingredient? Without the oven.

Starting point is 00:06:51 Yeah. Yeah. Actually, you can't actually, you can't out in the sun. Yeah, you could argue that Doug is the oven. It's the oven. It's the oven. It's the ingredients. Yes, true.

Starting point is 00:07:01 Yeah, you could argue that. And it looks like they're gonna cake without another oven. And let's be honest, okay, and this is no knock on dog. Raw cake makes it still delicious. Oh, it's deleted. Yeah, it's not the same. You be eating batter. That's a, see that it's better analogy.

Starting point is 00:07:12 Yeah, cake batter is delicious, but it's not cake. Right, but you get sick of it. You know, eat too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so condensed. And salmonella. Right, salmonella. Yeah, and you can't have salmonella without salm.

Starting point is 00:07:22 And no one's sticking candles in it, blowing it. I'm the salmonella. You gotta cook the salmonella. Yeah, sir you can't have Salmanel without Salmanel. No one's sticking candles in it blowing it. I'm the Salmanel You gotta cook the Salmanel. Yeah, it's gonna be tolerable What did any of you know that it's really you're the milk? Dissentary you're definitely the milk. I'm the milk. I'm sure the milk I'm at no fat and I'm now Adam's the frosty. Adam's the frosting. Hmm 100% I feel like the frosty. Yeah, yeah, cuz it's like, oh, that looks nice. Like, you think you don't see me? Like, you don't need frosting. You could just, it's like, right?

Starting point is 00:07:48 There's definitely listeners that are like, why do you even have that? He's not so true, right? Cause without the frosting, we would just be a muffin. Exactly. We fuck muffins. We'd be a big spongy muffin. Oh, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:08:02 Cranie fucking like wheat muffins. It's, hey, it's some people like muffins. Yeah, just as the milk you're the frosting. I'm probably the eggs, right? Because if you don't put the eggs in there and you know, yeah, that makes no there's no like, you know, because it's a little bit tolerant. Yeah, it's not it's not fluffy.

Starting point is 00:08:16 There's no proteins. Yeah, we need the protein. Yeah, mine pumps a cake. You know, speaking of foods and you know what I did this weekend I haven't done I haven't done in a while is get on organically or get organic I have a great blog So I know I shared this when we first got sponsored by them and I haven't really brought it up And well because personally I haven't been getting on there and using the recipes But on their blogs if you go to organifi.com you can find they and you go all the way the bottom there's a

Starting point is 00:08:43 blog link and They always post really cool stuff like different recipes and sometimes the recipes aren't even Called for any of their products. So it's not I if someone's listening right now It's not doesn't have to be with or yeah It does it mean some of their stuff and I made this latte this golden milk latte with fresh turmeric Or you're supposed to use fresh turmeric, or they give you the option to use the gold juice. It was fleshing that, scanning popularity.

Starting point is 00:09:08 The golden lattes they call it, like other like, yeah. Turmeric is fucking miracle root. I'm telling you right now, you start consuming that shit and regular doses and make sure you have a fat with it, because that's how you absorb or.

Starting point is 00:09:21 So let me hook the audience up with the recipe, because I pulled it up for you because I was thinking about this so we have two cups of almond milk or coconut milk works two teaspoons of honey or maple syrup Two knobs of fresh turmeric or basically like a tablespoon So this was where I replaced it because I have I have the Organified turmeric pills and I was like okay, I could crack them open But you can actually use a tablespoon of the orange juice

Starting point is 00:09:48 instead in replacement. They're the gold juice. I always want to call orange. It's orange to me, right? It's not gold to me. Well, I know it's gold for marketing reasons and that's what they say, but it's fucking orange to me.

Starting point is 00:09:58 It's safe. And the power's expensive. It's powder's orange, the label's orange to me. You know what, the gold, you're right, it's way more marketable because if they called it orange juice Of course we'd be confused. It would work. That's what orange juice. So my bad Organify I know it's a terrible commercial for you

Starting point is 00:10:12 So then you go to two knobs of fresh ginger one stick a cinnamon and then a pinch of black pepper and then a shot of espresso two knobs and ginger Sounds like a move like a mood saw just a dude. It's like it's like a retro one So if you have to we're I can just use that if you already own the organ in the skipper Juice then you can use that I know you're talking about ginger and two knobs. I mean, it's happy. It's a party That's you're you're referencing fucking Gilligan's Island. I am yeah god damn Nobody knows what a great, some of our audience says,

Starting point is 00:10:49 I think what do we, what's our average 20, 20 or 25 to 35 is our sweet spot? I don't know that. I like the challenge people to see just if they can like, remember that far back. Gilligan's Island was a fake show

Starting point is 00:11:01 because for sure they would have all, either, well, died and those poor girls. There were like two girls and a bunch of dudes on an island. Yeah. That would have been bad. They would have not been like in life. King, king, king, island. King, king, island.

Starting point is 00:11:15 They would have been the name of the show. I'd like to see somebody try and make one like today that's supposed to be like the same kind of storyline but it's today, you know, how they would, what things they would change make it different. Did you guys watch a drift yet? Speaking of which. the same kind of storyline, but it's today, you know, how they would, what things they would change, make it different. Did you guys watch a drift yet? Speaking of which. I still haven't watched it.

Starting point is 00:11:28 No, we haven't watched it. I'm telling you, dude. It's true, I'm not drinking it. I, we pulled it up so Katrina and I, what do we go see? We went, we're gonna go see it. What did I go see? I can't even think of what I went saw.

Starting point is 00:11:38 Not Avengers, what's the other good one that's out right now? But I really liked it. I think I brought it up on the show. Out of Avengers. Solo? No. It's not the one. No, no, no. Isn I brought it up on the show. Out of injures. Solo? No. It's not the one. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:11:47 Isn't there one worse upgrade? Did you watch upgrade yet? No. Have you guys seen that? No. Where the dude gets the chip in a spine and becomes a bad ass? No. It looks kind of dumb, but it got good reviews.

Starting point is 00:11:56 So I think I might watch it. It's an action film. You know what I mean? I'm not usually into just watching action films. I used to be when I was a kid, but now I'm like, you know what's funny? We know how to put- We know how to put- Just watching action films. I used to be when I was a kid but now I'm like you know, it's funny We know her likes that just stupid action films. Yes. Just shoot them up movies. I find it so fascinating that my girlfriend likes Really? Yeah, it's interesting. She likes it. Yes. She loves a good action-packed movie

Starting point is 00:12:17 I think which is cool because sometimes I'm in the mood for that I'm like we turn on the we get upstairs. We have like the theater setup, right? So we go upstairs crank up the surround sound like expendables. Yeah, right. So like like mindless like fucking experience. Yeah, I see I'm the one who wants a Deeper twisted plot me too like I want I want to be fucked up at the end of it Yeah, I want when I'm watching a movie deadpool that was the one I think I shared that I Did you see it? Did you like it? I love it.

Starting point is 00:12:45 God, I want to see it so bad. It's really good. It's really good, Justin. It's really good. He dies at the end, but it's so good. It's not. It's where it's going to see it. You already have, Dave.

Starting point is 00:12:53 For sure. It's really, I watched, you know what? I watched over the weekend with my son, because my boy now, he's 12. He's about to turn 13. And I'm, I always push the limit, because I'm always like, oh, shit. Is he old enough to do like, like shit that I want to do now with him'm always like, oh shit, is he old enough to do like,

Starting point is 00:13:05 it's like shit that I wanna do now with him? So like, let's watch of like a legit intense scary movie together, you know? So I put word z on, have you guys seen that? We're the brand new. The zombie one. That movie from start to finish is anxiety. If you haven't watched it, it's from beginning.

Starting point is 00:13:20 It's just hordes of zombie people. From beginning to end, it's anxiety the entire time. It's fucking intense and it's definitely fucking scary, right? And he doesn't really watch that kind of stuff. So I put it on, we're watching it. You give him nightmares. Right before bed, we're watching it. Oh man.

Starting point is 00:13:35 And he gets up to go to the bathroom so I push pause and he comes back and he goes, can we watch the rest tomorrow? And I'm like, well, you still have 30 minutes before bed. He goes, I know I don't wanna end with this and then go right to bed. He goes, I want 30 minutes don't want to end with this and then go right to bed. He goes, I want 30 minutes in between. So I started cracking up.

Starting point is 00:13:47 Oh, so I started cracking up. That's so funny. Because Katrina does this, if we watch something that is at all like negative or violent or bloody gory or scary, which we don't even watch a lot of scary movies, she has to watch something else before bed. I don't care if we're watching something that ends at midnight. I don't know, right to sleep.

Starting point is 00:14:06 I mean, too. I don't dream about it or anything. But she's like, I got to put something lighthearted on first and so she'll watch like a, you know, a sitcom and that for, you know, one episode and then goes to bed. She can't go to bed. No, I'll go right to, I can watch the most disturbing thing. I'll write to bed. Yeah. I'll go to sleep right in halfway through it. I don't care. I like that though. I like

Starting point is 00:14:24 being fucked with when it comes to movie. I don't like being put on edge. I'm not a scary movie guy. I just know. I don't like having anxiety when I'm watching a movie. I do. Because when I watch a movie, it's my escape. That's the way I look at it.

Starting point is 00:14:41 All day long, got all this stuff going on. My brain's going a million miles now or whatever It's going on and if I've decided that I'm gonna sit down and veg out and watch Television I want to be purely entertained and for me Scaring the fuck out of myself is not in a game. Oh, it's so fun. It's just nice to be really into it But yeah, I would always it would depend on the genre so if it was just like a slasher one That used to be fun for some reason. He said, you know, it's just like, I guess it's just because of the video game, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:08 kind of culturally grow up. Like, yeah, like, what was that one game, Slotter House? Remember that game? Yeah. That was one of the best games. He just walked around the machete and just, that was really good. I don't mind it. I like it because then I turn it off and I know it's okay, the movie's off.

Starting point is 00:15:23 I have this great feeling, but now I'm safe. You know what it reminds me of? One of the best and worst feelings in the world is when you have a terrible dream and then the moment you wake up and realize, oh, it was just a dream. Isn't that the greatest relieving feeling of all time? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:15:38 You ever happened to you? We just have this terrible dream. You're scared that you wake up and you're like, oh god, that was a dream. It was a dream. Like, yes. Oh, see, when I wake up from a dream like that It's like fuck was is that real really yeah, yeah, yeah trouble discerning yeah From yeah fantasy. Yeah, well it depends on how how real the dream like if it's something

Starting point is 00:15:55 Stupid where I was like a zombie chasing me and stuff like that and I wake up And I'm like there's probably not any zombies chasing me right now But if it's like normally like a disturbing scary, you know, dream for me is like real. What's the last dream you had that was fucked up? Oh, dude, that's a good question. You were always in the middle of the day. Like when I, when I day dream, like, or not day dream,

Starting point is 00:16:15 but like when I'm sleeping and I have a nap, I always had the most fucked up dreams then. Like I never have like, it's weird. I don't have like a lot of nightmares like at night. I usually just have them when I'm sleeping during the day. But that one was like, there was these creatures that were following me and jumping from tree to tree, trying to kill me.

Starting point is 00:16:33 And I was like running as fast as I could and they kept like jumping and looking at me with red eyes and shit. This feels freaky. That is kind of fucking freaky. That is a little bit fucking fun. I can't even run. I jumped on me and I woke up.

Starting point is 00:16:44 Damn. That's how it ended, too. The worst dreams I've ever had are ones that were stuff might happen to my kids and my dreams. Oh, those are terrible. Cause in my dreams, I'm so like distraught and it's just such a terrible. But then I wake up and I'm like, oh fuck, it was just a dream.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Best feeling ever. Yes, my bad dreams are things like that. Like, you know, waking up and then coming to work and there's no work or something, like there's, my pump doesn't exist anymore. We have a meeting. Yeah, we all have a meeting. We don't need Icy on cake anymore.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Yeah, Adam, we're going, we're going muffins. Some more on it. We're going straight muffins. We think your role would be better played off the show. Off the kick. Out else way. We have another role for you. Even though I haven't had that dream, those are the more the type of dreams that I have that role would be better played off the show. We would have to get out elsewhere. We have another role for you. Even though I haven't had that dream,

Starting point is 00:17:27 those are the more the type of dreams that I have that I would consider. You know what I feel? I have like gobbled-skilled. You know what I feel like if any of us ever kicked any of us off, like if any of us ever kicked one of us off, we would be hell bent on revenge success. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:17:41 Like all of us would be like, we'd have to bite it and be like, all right, I understand. And leave them be like, a fabricated, sour, I'll show those motherfuckers. I'm saying? Like all of us would be like, we'd have to, you know, buy it and be like, all right, I understand. And leave him be like, just get like a fabricated towel. I'll show those motherfuckers. I'm an invent something. A perfect example is that I see, and I watch in our boy podcast with Rob Harbinger right now. I mean, watching Jordan rise again, dude, after, you know,

Starting point is 00:17:56 the bridge. Yeah. I mean, I think we're, that's where I were all connected in friends, right? I think we all are a lot of like like that. Like it's like, okay, you're gonna fuck me. All right. Yeah. Watch me do this shit by myself fucker. What a big mistake They made oh yeah such a stupid mistake. I wish I knew what was going on on their side

Starting point is 00:18:13 I obviously we know we know the success that he's having already, but I'd be interested. Nobody cares Yeah, no, it is true. Sorry. Yeah, the show was Jordan. He was the show to say it guys Yeah, dude talking about fucked up shit You guys hear what MIT did? No, okay, so this is the problem that I have with science Because I don't typically have issues with science except when science just decides to do something just because they can yeah So what they did is they had an AI machine They created this artificial intelligent program and they fed it Reddit, you know the site Reddit and they fed it pages from Reddit that only talked about

Starting point is 00:18:53 Because there's pages on Reddit that talk about graphic murder and disturbing shit So that's all they did is gave this AI machine why this information Just to see what would be already already. That's a horrible This information to see what would be. Already, already, that's a horrible idea. Just to see what happened. They had to turn it off because it started showing disturbing algorithms. And so what they did was, do you guys know what a war shock? What's it called? War shock? Warshack. Warshack.

Starting point is 00:19:17 I think it's Rorschach. Rorschach. Test or whatever. Right. Where you see the blob, the ink blob, and then make sense of it. You have to make sense of it. So they first fed this AI machine. These pages from Reddit that talked about, you know, death and destruction and racism, blah, all those terrible, terrible

Starting point is 00:19:33 stuff. And then they said, what do you see when you look at these ink, ink blots? So they showed an ink block. I'll read some of them to you. Oh my god. They had a normal AI machine interpreted. And then they had the Norman. They actually named it Norman. By the way, do you know what the name Norman came from? Yeah, that's the psycho. That's the fucking do the cycle. Not only did these cock suckers make it a a machine evil, but then they named it Norman. Who the fuck are these people? I know. They're fucking smart people who are bored. And they're like, yeah, let's do what we can do. It's so much it. So, the normal AI machine, this is why these crazy ass movies

Starting point is 00:20:07 has kids that we watched that we thought were like so unbelievable, as believable dude. Terminator might happen because some dumb ass kids are fucking out. And they're gonna call it SkyNet, just to be ironic. Yeah, just get here.

Starting point is 00:20:17 Ah ha, yeah. So funny, that's a funny job. Ah ha, it just kills everybody. Oh no, wait a go. Yeah. So they showed an ink block and the standard AI said, a black and white photo of a small bird,

Starting point is 00:20:32 I'm looking at the ink block right now, right? So, okay, that sounds normal. Norman said, man gets pulled into a dough machine. Okay, that's interesting. Next ink block, a black and white photo of a baseball glove, oh that's cool. Norman says, man A black and white photo of a baseball glove. Oh, that's cool. Norman says, man is murdered by machine gun in broad daylight.

Starting point is 00:20:48 Okay. Wow. Okay. The next one. A person is holding an umbrella in the air. Okay, thank you, AI machine. Norman, what do you think? Man is shot dead in front of a screaming wife.

Starting point is 00:21:00 Okay, we're gonna turn this off. Holy shit, that's dark. Yeah, we're gonna turn this off. That's what's fucked up bro. What are we doing? Why? What are we doing? What did we think? I don't know. If you feed them all that you feed them that information. That's what they want to see. Yeah, that's all they're gonna visualize. I don't know what's going on. That's where that's where our taxpayer money's going. No, no, it's MIT. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, so it's private. Good. I've at least not spediged by money on this shit. Can you believe that? it's MIT. Oh, okay. So it's private. Good. I've at least not sped my money on this shit. Can you believe that?

Starting point is 00:21:28 That's ridiculous. What are we gonna do? What are these? I don't know. I don't know. It's gonna happen. It's something bad's gonna happen. Whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:35 There is. Whatever. When the shit it's the fam. You know what I heard, and I don't know. I'm not really gonna look this up, but I definitely heard Joe Rogan talking about some robot that they created that like can like he was like Like it eats organic material in a sense and it fuels the the robot

Starting point is 00:21:52 So like it can actually break it down and create energy out of that. Oh nice. So a fucking each human Yes, so that was the thing What are they gonna have these robots like on the battlefield and then they're just gonna eat like the dead remains of people like how fucking creepy is that? That fucked up for the worst thing I've ever heard. Yeah, AI war machines for sure will be something that that governments will pursue. 100%. Imagine that is like a scare tactic, you know, you're on the battlefield and this fucking like crazy robot just I'm just like getting your prop in through.

Starting point is 00:22:27 It's not even funny. It's like super scary. Did either one of you guys got a chance to read the article that someone posted? I think it was, I want to say it was Chris posted on the Bitcoin thing about all the coins that got mined that a bunch of people lost. No. Oh, you didn't read that yet. Oh, okay. No, I didn't read it. That's why I was interested. If you guys read it, what I did read like a couple of days before that was coin base is just did a big old thing. Where I think they got a fuck ton of money invested in their partnering up

Starting point is 00:22:55 with some security companies. And I want to say there was like, it was too, let me see if I can find it still. It was like $250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 So I think it's gonna rebound because of this. They just bought three traditional security dealers to their license to become a fully regulated SEC license brokerage. So it's, oh shit. Yeah, so real regulation is starting to come in. That's gonna make the price go up. Right. So that's those that are still scared of death of the whole business.

Starting point is 00:23:38 It'll start getting traded. Like, it's what it's wanting. Look, what's happening right now is they're like, okay, we can't stop us. Let's figure out a way to join them. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's kind of what's happening. That'll make the price go up.

Starting point is 00:23:48 Oh, yeah, the company's acquisition of three SEC approved brokerage gives it the license it needs to add any number of new coins to his exchange. Plus, in addition to allowing crypto companies to list more coins, SEC recognized license will also enable them to offer more services and expand into the multi-billion dollar world of institutional finance. Yeah, that's happening. Like, like, what, Goldman Sachs created their own, right? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, they've already traded a hundred billion dollars worth of coins, dude. That's excellent. It's here, man. It's, it's coming. It's definitely here. Dude,

Starting point is 00:24:20 how about Russell Berger? You guys know what that is? Oh, the CrossFit, dude. Yeah, he terminated because of his comments on Twitter. So apparently, there was a CrossFit gym that was scheduling a pride event. I think that, okay, so if I read the article correctly, I read this too. I think that it was a company-wide thing that CrossFit does, like just, no. I think it was just one location. No, no, no, no, no, one location decided not to do it. Oh, right. Like it was a company-wide thing that CrossFit does, like just, no. I think it was just one location.

Starting point is 00:24:45 No, no, no, no. One location decided not to do it. Oh, right. Like it was a rollout. Right, it was like a big thing, like they were, I think it was the same time, like, because gay pride just happened, right? Did we just have the gay?

Starting point is 00:24:56 So, here's what I'm reading. So, I'm looking at the article right now. Now, knowing that CrossFit is a loose affiliate, I don't think, I don't think that they would ever do that. I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't know, but it doesn't sound like something. It wasn't like a mandated thing. It was just like everybody was doing it. Like all the CrossFit affiliates were doing like something for gay pride and this owner decided, no, I'm not going to do anything for it and made a stance on it and put their two cents in and then

Starting point is 00:25:23 he came to the, that guy's defense and said that he supported him via tweet. So here's, so here's the statement that really got him. Because he supported him without saying the exact statement. Oh, I think he made it. I think, I think his decision to say what he did. I mean, he got, you know, he, here's a thing you should be able to free,

Starting point is 00:25:41 be free to say whatever you want. You're not free from consequences that, you know, he works for a private organization, for sure they can tell him to bounce for what he said, which is exactly what happened. But what I'm reading here is there were traders at a CrossFit facility in Indianapolis planned a workout to celebrate Indie Pride. And the gym owners got wind of it and they shut down the the planned event and then members heard about it and got pissed off And many of them threatened to leave the gym and then they got an email from the owners of the CrossFit gym and the email says our Underline goal for the staff and members at CrossFit CrossFit infiltrate. That was the name of their gym and our other gyms CrossFit white river and University Avenue CrossFit is

Starting point is 00:26:27 and our other gyms CrossFit, White River, and University Avenue CrossFit, is total health and well-being for the individual and the community. Total health involves the body, the emotions, relationships, and the spirit. At the foundational detractor from health, as we believe God sets the parameters for, is pride. We believe that true health forever can only be found within humility, not pride. Humility is seeing oneself as they truly are and as God truly defines them to be. As a business, we will choose to deploy our resources towards those efforts and causes that line up with our own values and belief. Fine. Totally okay. That's, I mean, right. Agree or disagree? Right, right, right. That's their business. It's like the cake issue we talked about

Starting point is 00:26:58 the other day. Yeah, it's their business. You know, you do it. That's, that's up to you. It's your fault of you. You're going to turn it right. Members may leave. That's up to them. Yeah. Yeah. This guy who're gonna turn right. Members may leave, that's up to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy who was the chief knowledge officer, didn't you know that position? Is that a position or real? Knowledge. Yeah, I feel like that's a,

Starting point is 00:27:13 I am the guy with the knowledge. Kind of like when on it comes up with their positions or make up new. Optimization guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry Kyle, it's a chief time. A chief cool guy or something like that. Anyway, so he writes, this is the chief knowledge officer.

Starting point is 00:27:26 He writes, as someone who personally, this is where he fucked up straight up. Yeah, because he put it in. As someone who personally believes celebrating pride is a sin, I'd like to personally encourage CrossFit infiltrate for standing by their convictions and refusing to host an indie pride workout. The, and then he gets worse.

Starting point is 00:27:45 The intolerance of the LGBTQ ideology towards any alternative views is mind blowing. And then he says the tactics of some in the LGBTQ movement towards dissent is an existential threat to freedom of expression. The lack of tolerance for disagreement, which has been replaced with bullying, Twitter mobs, promising consequences, should be a concern of your political stance. So, so he he he he he worded it bad. He fucked up. He worded it really bad. Yeah, because he I would love to talk to him.

Starting point is 00:28:16 I would love to have him on the show to talk about this because he, there's a couple of things that are, I think he's, yes, you're, I agree he worded about it. And I think he's a little confused. You know what's interesting is we're just talking to our buddy Todd who's been tied into the CrossFit community since it started. And he was telling me that CrossFit's known,

Starting point is 00:28:35 what do you call him, the two wrestles? So it's Russell Berg and then Russell, something else I don't know. And the real protective ones, the brand. Yeah, they were known as they were just like the thump, they would thump people. Like everyone knows that, you know, CrossFit is the type of company and it's been that way

Starting point is 00:28:49 since the beginning that if you fucked with them or you try and yeah, they'll bounce you, or yeah, exactly, they'll come after. And these two guys are supposed to be the two guys that have been doing that since it started. And so, be really interesting to interview. I'd like to hear his, I've seen, he's already done some like apology letters, hasn't he?

Starting point is 00:29:07 Yeah, I mean, my personal opinion is, there's a couple of things he's confused about. First off, the intolerance of the LGBTQ ideology. If you're telling someone that they're wrong and bad, that's not being intolerant, that's, you could tell me that and I're wrong and bad. That's not being intolerant. That's, you could tell me that, and I'm, that I'm a, I'm wrong and bad for something that I believe in strongly. I'm not going to like you. Does that make me intolerant? I guess maybe. But why do I need to be tolerant to you when you're saying that I'm calling all these people sinners, you know, raise your hand if you're not a sinner.

Starting point is 00:29:43 Good luck. Like that's everybody, right? That's the other part of it. And he's using this as a public representative of the brand, which is why you got fired. Yeah. I mean, that's what I mean, at the end of the day, that's why you get fired. And it's not a threat to freedom of expression. Here's a threat to freedom of expression. If the LGBT community lobbied government to make it illegal

Starting point is 00:30:07 to say shit like that or do stuff like that, that's a threat to freedom. The LGBT community boycotting you and putting social pressures and using voluntary means like Twitter and all that stuff, that's not a threat. That's called societal pressures and that's always existed. Like you may say something that's not popular, nobody should, nobody has the right to be recognized. Or should. That's called societal pressures, and that's always existed. Like, you may say something that's not popular,

Starting point is 00:30:25 nobody should, nobody has the right to be misjudged. Orch for it. Yeah, nobody has the right to force you, but everybody has the right to tell you to fuck yourself. Yeah, really silly to me that he even got involved in it, because I felt like even the gym, these gym owners handled it fine. I felt like they handled it fine.

Starting point is 00:30:37 Like listen, this is a statement out there. These are our fucking three locations. We have, these are our religious police. We're not going to support it. They have every right to do that. You're saying, and if you don't like it, don't leave their gym. That's it.

Starting point is 00:30:50 Go somewhere else. Or say whatever you want to say to you. Which I'm gonna say right now here, right here, right here, right now. Okay, and you can believe whatever you want. I'll always respect that. And if you're cool to me, I'll be cool to you. But if you're a business owner

Starting point is 00:31:04 and you're outwardly saying these types of things about the gay community or men or about women or about a different race or whatever, not a smart business move personally. And the way I look at it is this. If I disagree, look, there's certain things I disagree with. I don't like, here, I'll give you an easy one. I don't like people who are Marxist or I don't like that ideology. If you believe in Marxism, I think that's dumb.

Starting point is 00:31:27 I think it's an evil ideology. However, if I have a gym and you're a nice guy and you come in and you're telling me you're Marxist, but you're a cool guy and you're, you know what, I'd rather us all work out together in our forum. Yeah, the truth, you have a couple of Marxists in our forum. We have some in our forum.

Starting point is 00:31:43 I'll debate the ideas with you, but if you're an asshole, I'll tell you to fuck out. Right. But I would rather us be cool so we could talk about these things, debate them, discuss them or whatever. Right, because it's a bad business.

Starting point is 00:31:55 Because in talking about the forum members are like this, there's been some great intelligent conversations and debates around there that others I think have learned from by reading them and listening to the thread or reading their thread. So yeah, no, I think the company has every right to do what they did.

Starting point is 00:32:12 I think if somebody asked him his personal opinion, like what I would have said if I was him, is I would say, hey, regardless if you agree with the positions of the CrossFit box owners or not, it is their business and it is their right to do how they wish. Of course, if you wanna leave their gym, that's your right as well, and that's it. Now, if somebody retains...

Starting point is 00:32:30 The problem was that he put his own personal beliefs in opinion in our history. You easily could have supported the gym. You easily could have stood behind them on what they were doing and the way they were making their stance because I think the way they handled it was completely fine and okay, I mean to each their own. And then if somebody came out and asked him and said, Hey, but what's your personal opinion?

Starting point is 00:32:49 Then he could say, Well, since you're asking me, this is my own personal belief and then say it. And then it's not going to, you might get some backlash as well, but it's a little bit different, right? Then him coming out and saying, it's a sin blah blah blah. Nobody asked you what your personal opinion is. That's why that's why that happened the way it did. I wonder if you're going to see more and more of this with CrossFit because of the growth

Starting point is 00:33:12 of it, you know, talking again to our buddy Todd, you brought up a really good point that, you know, it really exploded almost overnight. I mean, obviously, if you were a part of it, the beginning you probably doesn't feel like overnight because I know what that feels like. But, you know, you had a lot of what he called characters that may have these extreme views that are different whether it be political or religious or whatever that were there at the beginning that are part of the executive team that are there still that maybe don't align that much with the brand. I mean that's I wonder if we're gonna see more, more,

Starting point is 00:33:46 more falling out, yeah. It's a loose affiliation, so they have more freedom than other types of organizations to run things the way they want and say what they wanna say and whatever, and CrossFit's backbone, or at least the roots are rooted or come from that descent, that I'm gonna be a little different in wild and say what I want.

Starting point is 00:34:08 So, but now that's becoming more corporate, maybe that's what, cause this sent a clear message. Like if you're a crossfit owner and you have the same beliefs as Russell Berger, you've now seen a clear, excuse me, message. So you may be less likely now to express that. You may look at that and say, okay, well,

Starting point is 00:34:27 is it important for me to say that? I'm running a business, maybe, yeah, and that's fine. You have to, there's always consequences to your opinions. I'm the belief, I'm the firm belief that, have your opinions and be okay with the consequences, but the consequences are the consequences. And don't complain about them in the sense that You know someone's infringing on your freedom to say what you want because no, they're not have you heard him responded anyway

Starting point is 00:34:51 Like do you is he feel like he fucked up or see like I'm standing by the way I said have you heard anything? No, it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like I haven't heard much I haven't heard much about that. It's kind of getting mainstream. I think because it's I haven't heard much about that. It's kind of getting mainstream. I think because it's in the shadow of what happened with the Supreme Court and the ruling with the, you know, with the Baker, which I think was, I think it was, I think the just the way that they,

Starting point is 00:35:16 what's the word, decided on that case. I think the decision was right. I think the reasoning for the decision was wrong though. It's a very, very bittersweet for someone like me. Well, the Supreme Court said the baker should, has the right to not be forced to make a cake for someone, which I agree with. I think if you have the right to associate,

Starting point is 00:35:37 in other words, think about the flip side. If government can come and say to you, no, you, we make a loss saying you have to work for someone else. That's a scary precedent, that's like slavery, right? Like you're forced to. So I think that's right, but the reasoning they gave was for religious liberty. But the reason why we're saying he's okay with doing that

Starting point is 00:35:59 is because of his religion. No, I disagree, I don't give a fuck what your reason is. It's your business. You should have a right to To not work right even if he wasn't religious. He has a right to make that decision Yeah, it's his work. He's the one making the cake So he should have the right to be like I don't want to make it for you because I don't like your face like whatever he wants He should be able but he should also he's also gonna suffer the consequences He's gonna suffer the consequences. I mean, I mean, let's be honest here, you're not being a bakery in San Francisco like that.

Starting point is 00:36:27 That didn't happen in France. You're not gonna bake a cake or newly legalized game marriage. That's a huge market, my friend. And I feel like that's an exploding bit anyway. You know, I think that it's not about religious liberty. It's just about association for you, move associations. I didn't know that's how they did it. That is, that is bittersweet.

Starting point is 00:36:45 Very bittersweet, stupid. And, you know, here's the deal. People, you know, bring up things like the Civil Rights Act and stuff like that. Well, first off, the Civil Rights Act was necessary to reverse institutionalized racism from the government. The government was the biggest segregator and racist entity in America.

Starting point is 00:37:01 I mean, public schools were the most segregated places in America. Public spaces, water fountains, buses, that kind of shit. So that was to erase a bunch of, you know, government, you know, type of segregation. When it comes to baking a cake for a gay wedding that didn't exist, from a government standpoint, that's a private business.

Starting point is 00:37:20 And I also think today, and today's day and age, you may survive if you have a sign on your storefront that says, you know, I'm not going to serve you if you're gay or if you're black or if you may survive a little bit, you're not going to definitely not going to become a mainstream brand. You're not going to survive that well and you will open yourself up to boycott, which rightly so, my personal belief, I think if that's the kind of business you are, I think you're personally, I think you're an asshole. That's my personal belief. Right, right. And people out there can go out and pick it and do whatever the fuck they

Starting point is 00:37:49 want. I would. Yeah. I would 100%. If I saw a business with a sign like that, it would probably piss me off enough to, you know, put it on my own social media, use my platform to tell people. Like your favorite pizza probably doesn't serve Italians. How fucking back up to you? How matter you? How dumb would that be? Right? Or you have to have pineapple on your pizza. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to eat. You know what the way I look at it?

Starting point is 00:38:10 The way I look at it, we don't take the pineapple off here. Sorry, sir. The way I look at it, you want our pizza comes with pineapple. And the way I look at it is I look at the person saying that I go, well guess what? You're not getting my money. I win.

Starting point is 00:38:21 You know what I'm saying? Plus if you make a law that forces, let's say the Supreme Court ruled in the other way and they said, no, you have to make that cake. Like all the baker has to do from that point forward is if he gets a gay couple that says we wanna get wedding cake, he could literally just be like, I'm not, I don't have enough time on my face.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Now the parts that make me, you don't have to make a lie. Now the parts I don't know about the case that make me interested to know more is like, you know, is this a small town where the next cake store is two hours away, or is this like one of many cake stores in the city? Cause that makes a difference for me, right?

Starting point is 00:38:57 Cause that does, like it's a franchise or change. It does kind of suck if you're out in the middle of nowhere and you're gay and you wanna go make a, and you wanna go get a cake for your wedding. Right. And it's the only cake store in town and there are a bunch of bigots. I mean, that's suck. Here's how I feel.

Starting point is 00:39:12 And I can see how that could really piss me off. Yeah, it would piss you off. It would still is the internet. So, and here's how I feel about that. Right. Let's say, I put myself in that position, right? So I'm like, okay, let's say I belong to a group that's marginalized or what, I'll say I'm a gay man.

Starting point is 00:39:24 I live in a small town and I want to go get this cake made and there's only one baker in town and He says no because you're your gay. I would rather know that then go there and him know that he can't say that to me And I said said he's taking my money that he's bashing gay's Yeah, or he's saying that would piss me off more. Yeah, or he's saying to me. Oh, I don't have any time on my schedule looks like I can't do it looks like I'm not gonna be it You know, you know, I'm too cuz he could still do that I would rather know and be like oh fuck I should move because this town is really not well Let's be honest. Would you want somebody to be grudgingly make a fucking cake for your wedding? That's why the whole case is funny. me. It's like, like, how would that cake be?

Starting point is 00:40:07 It's so fucked up. No, you will make a cake. I'm like, all right, I'll make you a cake asshole. Now, someone brought this up and they say, well, what if it was a doctor? What if your, you know, what if your gay and the doctor's like, I'm not gonna help you're dying of a illness or wound and you're in a small town and the doctor's like, I'm not gonna help, you're dying of a illness or wound and you're in a small town and the doctor's like,

Starting point is 00:40:26 I'm not helping them because I'm gay. Would that be okay? And I say, well, first of all, again, freedom association, you know, I think that that would be the worst fucking human being on earth. I think they would probably never be a doctor again if people found out.

Starting point is 00:40:40 I think all those things, but trying to force them, you can't force them. Was he a private or is he working for Kaiser? Well, Kaiser's still private, but my point is, my point is people can, you can't make a lot of money. They're private private company, but I'm talking about a, because Kaiser could still put out there and fire him. Yes, it's fire. And they would.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Right, and they would. They would. Oh my god, they would. If he was a, are you saying, are you giving an example of a private private doctor? It's his own practice by himself for you talking about somebody who works for a large company because Anybody who any doctor that would do that for a large company at this day and age would get fired a private doctor would be done I mean imagine if a doctor right now was exposed for not helping someone because of their religion sex You know racist whatever reason they would be

Starting point is 00:41:26 Shunned in society. Where did you write that example? So we gave you that in the forum. We had this nice discussion about it. And I think, you know why? It's such a terrible. People bring up like crazy scenarios to try and, and I get it, I get where that comes from, but no, man, like that person would be,

Starting point is 00:41:39 their life would be destroyed, rightly so. I mean, if you see someone in front of you that needs your help and is dying, and you're gonna say, and you're gonna say, nah, I'm not gonna help that person because I don't like their skin color or whatever. You're an evil motherfucker, especially if you're a doctor and they do sign or they do, you know,

Starting point is 00:41:54 do the oath that doctors do that's like. Yeah, hit the credit oath. Yeah, yeah, so, but you know, people like to use those examples, no, man, you shouldn't be forced to work for anybody for whatever reason. I think it's you have that freedom. And you have the freedom to be an asshole. And here's a deal like you can't make people not be

Starting point is 00:42:12 assholes with your laws. Because how are they gonna, how are they gonna dictate that? If I don't turn up the ass. Dude, if I don't like you because of your religion or your sex or your race, I can, but I know that, oh, I can't say that. It's not gonna stop me. I'll just be like, oh, yeah, no, I can't help you know that, oh, I can't say that, it's not gonna stop me. I'll just be like, oh yeah, no, I can't help you.

Starting point is 00:42:27 Sorry, man, I'm busy, or I'll make your cake and piss in it, or do something terrible. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would rather know that person say something, and then maybe like, I'm gonna give my money to somebody that's cool to someone else. Not to, because there's a lot of businesses that would love to have your business that are not assholes.

Starting point is 00:42:44 You know what I'm saying? So, I think. So I think that baker's an asshole, but I don't think you should be forced. It's just the bottom up. You guys ready to get moving again? Like we had like what? Maybe two weeks or three weeks, the longest that we've been home, I think, in a long time, or we hadn't had to go anywhere. Doing a couple travel, too. Yeah, feeling antsy. We take off what in a day or two, we're off to Discovery Bay for a few days, and then we get back, and then we're off to LA again. I don't know what day we leave down there,

Starting point is 00:43:10 but that'll be cool. It's gonna be fun, man. I love doing these trips with you where we have, because the first trip is us working on the business. So we're not gonna be on podcast, we're not interviewing anybody, we're not doing an events. So this is gonna be good. I hope to write a couple programs with you guys. We'll see what happens. We're gonna miss the, we're not doing an events. So this is gonna be good. I hope to write a couple

Starting point is 00:43:25 programs with you guys. We'll see what happens. We're gonna miss the hustle magic, which kind of sucks. I mean, Taylor, Taylor will make it with Eli, but if you're not to manure, hustle, clon is that's a great place, great good connections and incredible speakers. Oh, I know he's super pumped to go. And I know he's, I believe he's bringing Eli with him. I was trying to go also, but looks like the LA trip is gonna conflict with that But we still have the the tickets for the audience

Starting point is 00:43:51 So if you guys are listening and you guys are interested to go in there. It's in Oakland It's in Oakland so if you're local Bay Area person and it's on Friday the 22nd. We got a discount for them, right? Yeah hooked up fat save 150 bucks expensive. I mean it's saving a substantial amount of $150. Yeah yeah, yeah, save 150 bucks with the the mind pump discount so you guys can go to the hustle hustlecon.com and then use mind pump and you get 150 bucks off tickets and I everyone that I know that's been to I haven't been to one myself I've seen videos and clips of obviously we've talked to Met Sam par so everybody that I know that's been to one of these says that they're incredible. So extremely valuable and worth your time.

Starting point is 00:44:30 You guys, if you're a mind-publicenary, hopefully we'll run into Taylor and Eli. They should be running around. Look for the good looking guy at the ponytail. Dude, can I just say right now? For all the man buns. Can I just say, I'm now, you know, like we, two weeks into following the split program. Oh, yeah. You're looking kind of following the split program. Oh, yeah. You're looking kind of jacked, bro.

Starting point is 00:44:47 We did a good, we did a really good job, dude. Really fucking struck ourselves off. No, no, no, we're so good. No, you know, look, we have another, we have other stuff that, you know, we, we, we write things and we test them and stuff like that. People don't know the process, right? And sometimes we'll test it and we'll come back and, you know, Adam may come back and say, okay, we need more mobility work here because I felt this problem or, you know, just fine-tuning

Starting point is 00:45:09 stuff. But every once in a while, we knock it right out the park and split was just, it's what a great fucking workout, man. I can feel things changing in my body. I can tell you read away if something's going to be really effective. So, and getting a lot of good feedback. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a lot of cool comments coming out of Spalit and people are excited about it.

Starting point is 00:45:28 It's tough. I'm excited to see competitors, because we have a couple competitors that I know of, at least that are using it for prep. Yeah, I know. Leading into their show. I'm pumped for that, too. This quaz brought to you by Organify.

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Starting point is 00:46:10 Recently took a VO2 max test. My primary type of endurance training is Jiu-Jitsu sparring. I performed the VO2 test on a treadmill, but have not run in a long time. I personally feel that if I were to run more frequently, I would become acclimated to that type of aerobic activity and would have received an even higher score. In your opinion, do you feel to truly test your cardiovascular endurance?

Starting point is 00:46:36 You should perform a test that you're not acclimated to. So this is a good question. So, I mean, basically the paraphrase took a test on a treadmill. He's got a lot of jujitsu endurance because he does a lot of jujitsu. And I know Mike, I follow him. But I don't. But it's not specifically what he was testing.

Starting point is 00:46:53 And by the way, I would just like to say that the Safai family's got the fucking beasts, the genes of the gods. They all work hard, but they all, their sister, the brothers. Everybody looks awesome. Yeah, they're like, someone needs to do a documentary on these people. Anyway, he did, you know, VO2 max test on a treadmill,

Starting point is 00:47:11 probably got a score he wasn't satisfied with. And so he's wondering like, how do you test your cardio endurance? Should you perform a test or not? I clearly made it to. Here's the deal, you, whenever you train in, your body adapts to you in a pretty specific way. There are general broad adaptations you'll get.

Starting point is 00:47:29 If you do a lot of Jiu-Jitsu, you're going to gain a lot of general endurance as well. But not nearly as much endurance as you gain for your specific type of endurance when you do Jiu-Jitsu, because when you're doing something specific, that calls upon a specific type of movement pattern, specific type of endurance, your muscles are moving in particular way, you're holding yourself in particular way, you're basically...

Starting point is 00:47:52 For eating patterns, everything. It's all different. So you're just more efficient at what you do a lot of. So if you wanna know what your endurance is for a particular event, then test your endurance for that event. So the engine can't V02 test Jiu Jitsu, like you're not going to be able to strap all up to the machine and be able to do that.

Starting point is 00:48:13 Well here's my point. Let's say he trained just running to improve his V02 max and he stopped doing Jiu Jitsu. And he's like, oh shit, I got my V02 max. That wouldn't be. And he would have noticed, be honest, how often, and I've VO2 tested a bunch of times. Have you? Yeah, yeah. What's the test feel like?

Starting point is 00:48:28 It's, I mean, you have a hard time breathing. You have a apparatus in your mouth, and you're running there's that by itself, which is an adaptation, you know, just happen like getting adjusted and used to having some shit like hard to breathe through. And then they just keep ramping your treadmill up until you pretty much can't handle it anymore. And then they break you off and then they show you where your heart rate was at when

Starting point is 00:48:49 you hit your cardio threshold. And you can improve your VO2 max on the day, like every day. You could literally have, you could go do a VO2 max test and then the next day, go do a max effort, cardio, max and do that five days in a row, come back and retest and you'll have already increased it. So I'm not like a, this was not a test that I used very often with clients or we really even cared too much about it.

Starting point is 00:49:13 For that exact reason, like you're saying, Sal is that if your main thing is to increase your endurance with Jiu-Jitsu using the VO2 test, maybe it's a baseline, but not to change what I'm training. You know what I'm saying? Like maybe if I'm curious, right? Is it the Davies or the Cooper's where they really just like test on like your verbal like affluency.

Starting point is 00:49:34 So like after you're done like if you could speak. Literally. I don't think that's either one. Davies is something else. Davies is, yeah, okay. Davies is a movement test. Either way, I liked it because it was more, like I could do something like specifically,

Starting point is 00:49:49 like if I was doing Jiu Jitsu, and after that I could see like how quickly I could then, you know, like gather my composure and be able to speak, or if I went like to exceed that to where it took me while to catch my breath. Right. That's really like as simple as I needed, as far as a gauge of how adapted I was endurance-wise. Yeah, well, it was a great way to do it, or I would do it if I was training someone in

Starting point is 00:50:14 Jiu-Jitsu, and I really have no Jiu-Jitsu background or any business training, but I know enough that I would go, okay, I would take a handful of some of the most important drills that you use in Jiu-Jitsu, and we would measure that. So in South, I can probably contribute better than I can here, but whatever those roles are or specific moves, and then we would do it for time. And we would try and approve upon that. So it's like, okay, you can get 40 slams of the heavy bag slams and this many rolls and this many whatever in this amount of time.

Starting point is 00:50:48 And then let's measure that, let's improve upon that. Let's shed some time off of that and you get better and more efficient at that because those movements are more applicable to what you're doing in Jiu-Jitsu than getting on a treadmill, putting a mask over your face and running. Like that's... Have you guys done the lactate threshold

Starting point is 00:51:07 where they do the prick, yeah, and they measure out, like, you know, as far as, like, how much lactate, whatever you're producing. So, like, you go through these movements, you're able to see kind of how quickly recover, like, from that aspect. So, that's interesting to me too. That's another one.

Starting point is 00:51:22 Yeah, if you want, you know, here's why cross training exists in the first place. Cross-training exists to be able to give you improvements and benefits that the specific sport or whatever you're training in may either a not give you or b to prevent overuse injuries from constantly doing the same repetitive stuff. So cross-training is really good for that. Now, the bottom line is if you want more endurance for jiu-jitsu, nothing, nothing is going to give you more endurance than doing more jiu-jitsu for jiu-jitsu. So that's just the bottom line. If you want to get really good at that

Starting point is 00:51:55 type of endurance, just do more jiu-jitsu. Now, the problem becomes, well, what if my hands get really sore or my joints start to bother me because I'm doing so much damage to now you would incorporate Cross-training where you'll get some carryover in which case then I would say do probably sprints I think sprints or like what do they call it fart liking which I hate that name. Yeah, it's funny Yeah, that's actually a real world, but real real world word by the way But a fart like is like where you do a slow jog and then you do a sprint and then you do a slow jog and do a sprint Yeah, it's hard. Look, that's not funny. That's actually a real world, but real world, word by the way. But a fart like is like, where you do a slow jog and then you do a sprint and then you do a slow jog and do a sprint, that to me, that form of running

Starting point is 00:52:33 mimics more of the type of stamina that you would need for Jiu-Jitsu than just long running or just doing sprints. Cause Jiu-Jitsu is a sport where you explode and then you hold and then you explode and then you hold and that tends to be the type of stamina that you want. Well, that's what I meant by like a movement. Like, I don't know, I'm sure there is a getting up off the ground technique, right? And I would have them do that for time, right? So we would do it for a sprint, which or for a short amount of

Starting point is 00:52:59 time. So for one minute, how many times can you get up and get back down, you know, in one minute time? And we count, however many that is, and then we improve upon that and that you improving upon that We'll probably have some carry over into your VO2 I'd imagine that you would probably increase that a little bit but more importantly it applies to jiu-jitsu more than again Running on a treadmill with a mask on your face So you know, I always use the tests like that with people that were playing in sports as a baseline to give me an idea. Like, what I don't want to see is it get worse.

Starting point is 00:53:28 Like, I don't want to, I don't want to get client who's hiring me to improve their, you know, jiu-jitsu endurance or basketball endurance or football endurance. And I go about my programming and we do a VO2, we start off, we do a VO2 max test just to see kind of where they're baseline where they're at. And then four weeks later, we come back and we check it again and they got worse and they got worse. That's not good. I'm not doing my job if I can't improve upon it. And the big problem I have with metrics like this is then people start to rely on them. And here's here's a thing when you're doing jujitsu there's so many variables and factors that can contribute to how well you feel during your matches, everything from the technique you're using

Starting point is 00:54:05 to how well you execute the techniques to the type of game that you're playing on the ground, all the, and more, all those things will contribute to whether or not you have a lot of stamina or not. Here's another example. Let's say you're a swimmer, and you want to improve your VO2 max

Starting point is 00:54:19 to give you more endurance. You could do that, or what if your technique got better so that every time you did a stroke in the pool, you moved a little further and moved a little faster. Now using the same amount of energy but you're more efficient. All these things play a role and the problem with just measuring things I could do, it's like when bodybuilders measure body fat percentage. You know, like, oh, my body fat has a lot of pros and guys don't. They don't care. Because it doesn't matter. Yeah, they have to look a certain way on stage.

Starting point is 00:54:46 You can actually go down and body fat and look less lean because you're flat or because your muscles are pumped or whatever. It's cool as a coach, right? Because you can show metrics that's it. That's it, too. It's just another feedback mechanism. It's flashy.

Starting point is 00:55:00 And I got caught in that for a while. I wanted to, like I mentioned, lactate threshold. This is all things that I was like, oh wow, they use these in like sports-specific science labs where they're testing these high-performing athletes, but really, like you said, you can manipulate it within that same day. So how valuable really is your work?

Starting point is 00:55:17 And there's also perceived, like the perceived effort, perceived intensity, which is subjective. There are objective metrics and measurements, but there's also subjective stuff. Like, for example, if I told Justin right now, hey, let's go see how much you could squat. And he goes and he, ah, he squats and you ask him afterwards, was that your max?

Starting point is 00:55:37 He'd be like, yeah, that was totally my max. Well, what if I went back in time and I said to Justin, Justin, if you can squat and I come up with a number that's higher than the one that I know he did, you know, yeah, if you could squat, let's say 10 pounds over that, you'll get a million dollars. He may perceive himself to be stronger and actually be able to be able to lift the weight more. That perception of intensity and that perception of effort makes a big difference.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Your mood will influence whether or not you're feeling like you have more stamina and more endurance while you're training as well Like all these things play a role and I'm not saying all of this to make you think that it's not worth it at all to measure metrics I'm just putting it in context. No, you use it the same way you use body fat scale HRV You know step count. I mean they're all these are yeah I think it's a great tool and I'm not saying it's not worth you doing it. But don't live or die by it. Right. Like exactly. It's not worth you focusing on just trying to increase your VO2 because if you, the best way to do that is go invest in one of those $100 stupid, bane mask, wear it on your

Starting point is 00:56:35 face, run on a treadmill on an incline and then go back and test your VO2 in a week or two of doing that every single day. Right. But you're specifically training for that. Exactly. And I bet you you'll crush the test, but then ask yourself did your Jitsu get any better, you know, probably not.

Starting point is 00:56:50 So yeah, I remember back, you know, back when I was training, guys would go and do all these crazy hardcore endurance type training and try and come back and be more, to see if it would apply to their training. And I would ask them like, are you, you know, how do you feel? I feel kind of burnt out.

Starting point is 00:57:06 I don't really feel like I have more stamina or energy. And so I had them write down what they were doing. And it was a bunch of hill running and long running and all the stuff. And I knew what their problem was. The problem was they had very poor stability and strength. Nobody's strength trained. So I said, hey, try this out.

Starting point is 00:57:22 Instead of doing all that crazy endurance, just keep doing jujitsu, keep doing, you know, add an extra day of jujitsu or whatever, so do more rolling. And then let's have you lift weights twice a week and focus on heavy lifting. And do like three to five reps, and they'd be like, oh, but three to five reps,

Starting point is 00:57:35 like that's not gonna give me stamina for jujitsu. I said, no, it's gonna build your base strength, which will give you stamina. They did, and within three weeks, they came back like, dude, fucking huge improvement. I feel like some so much more stable. I'm not getting as tired as easily. And it's, you got to kind of measure these things out.

Starting point is 00:57:51 So it's not as easy as you think, but definitely the type of adaptation that you get is very specific to what you're doing to get that adaptation in the first place. And if you want more endurance for a sport, nothing is gonna work better than doing more of that sport. Right, if you're stronger, you want more endurance for a sport, nothing is going to work better than doing more of that sport. Right.

Starting point is 00:58:07 If you're stronger, you don't struggle as hard. That too is. Next up is Synthesis 91. Can you guys talk about set points? Will your body always want to return back to its set point? We discussed this a while back. Long time ago. Yeah, it's been a long time.

Starting point is 00:58:22 I hate it when people say this. Is there a set point? Yeah. I mean, to a certain extent, your body doesn't want to say to find that. Yeah. Your body doesn't want to go below a certain body weight because then you might be sick or malnourished. Well, here's the thing.

Starting point is 00:58:37 I think they do exist. I just think it's always moving. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're sure you have a, like, I have an right now where I'm currently at like, movement wise, the amount of muscle I have my body, the age that I'm at, hormonally, exactly right now at this moment, my body kind of has a set point where it wants to, where it's comfortable where it doesn't, where it wants to be, right? But that easily can change when I start changing all these things up.

Starting point is 00:59:04 When I, if I change my hormones, if my stress levels change, if I start to increase volume in my training, if I start consuming way more food than what I'm consuming right now, all these things will start to move. So the question is, if you like that and change that. The question is, is there a set point that if you try to go around it, your body's going to push you to get to this other set. Well, I think then that's where I mean, there's a little bit of truth to a set point is there

Starting point is 00:59:30 is definitely a point where you will find yourself and let's just, we'll use both directions, whether you're trying to gain or lose, where it gets way more challenging, where it's like my body, my body, when it gets in, we'll use me as an example and everybody's uniquely different But once I start pushing beyond 220 pounds of of lean mass My body just says like it doesn't want to be there. It's just the scale I don't have the skeletal structure, but I've done it. I've I can push beyond that But it's about where it's about my threshold of where it and my body naturally really wants to be and the same thing goes when You're cutting when you're cutting and you want to be super lean. I find when I get down to like

Starting point is 01:00:12 7-8% it's you know with some good discipline and consistency. It's pretty easy to get there The difference between that and when I would get ready for stage is damn your death You know I'm saying my body is fighting me and telling me like no We don't want to be 2% body fat Adam and. And this is why I hate the whole set point conversation. Your body's set point, if you had a set point, is healthy. That's where your body wants to be. Your body literally wants to be in a place where it's lean but not shredded,

Starting point is 01:00:38 muscular but not so muscular that you're force feeding yourself. Strong, mobile, fit, healthy, not extreme. That's what your set point is. It's able to overcome whatever environment you're force feeding yourself, strong, mobile, fit, healthy, not extreme. That's what your set point is. It's able to overcome whatever environment you're introducing. Your set point isn't obesity. This is why I hate this because people are like, oh, my body set point wants me to be fucked. No, you know, you know, you know, why the people, that is so not true.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Do you know why people think that? Do you know why people think that? Because they're confusing their, their set behaviors with some, with some set point biological set point. Well, that or they fucked their metabolism up and they can't, and it doesn't make sense to them. That's more to me. That's more common than anything is somebody who has absolutely destroyed their metabolism, who is 200, 300 plus pounds, and they're not eating very much.

Starting point is 01:01:23 It doesn't make sense to them. This must be my body's set point. It wants to be, well, again, 250 pounds because I'm only eating 1500 calories and my body doesn't seem to go anything below that and then they go back and they splurge it. Again, I will refer back to what I said. Your set point is you want to be healthy. At that, in that situation, if you've dieted, and yo-yo dieted, and overworked yourself, and did all kinds of crazy things to your body, your body at that point may think it's healthiest safest point is to be at 200 pounds, consuming, while you're consuming 1500 calories. Well, that's the important point. Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 01:01:57 Now, can you change that? Yes. But ultimately, your natural set point is probably where most people would be pretty comfortable for the most part. But yeah, people confuse it with behaviors. They think, oh, my body just wants to be 40 pounds overweight. No, your behaviors are so set in this lifestyle where you eat shitty and don't move that you think it's your body forcing you in reality. It's you that has a...

Starting point is 01:02:23 I guess psychological set. Exactly. You're not willing. If you want to move your set point's you that has a psychological set. Exactly. You're not willing. If you want to move your set point, you have to change your lifestyle. That's the bottom line. Changing your lifestyle is not easy. Humans are very complex. When we're talking about things that you do every single day eat and move and how you

Starting point is 01:02:40 think, fundamentally changing those, there's a whole side of medicine called psychology that tries to deal with that because that is a very complex issue. So it may feel impossible, only, and it's not impossible, it's just you're dealing with having to change, fundamentally change, how you eat, how you think, and how you move, which makes up a pretty large part

Starting point is 01:03:04 of your life. I think this whole buzz term set which makes up a pretty large part of your life. I think this whole buzz term set point is just a marketing ploy. It was used for a while, and I think it's just a way to make people feel like, oh, yeah, see, that's why I'm struggling is this is my set point. Oh, if I click here, I can find out where my body set point is by putting in my... If I follow this, I'll change my set. Right, right. That's all a bunch of bullshit and gimmicky stuff just to get you to buy something at the end of the day.

Starting point is 01:03:29 Like, it does our, does everybody's like, skeletal structure and metabolism and age and all those things matter. And do you have an area where your body naturally wants to be? Absolutely. But then can you manipulate that both for good and bad? Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:03:45 You can manipulate that. You're new set point, and I've done this over the course of my lifting. My set point at one point used to be at this 160 to 170 pound mail, and that was based off the activity I was doing. That was based off the amount of lifting and understanding that I had with training and nutrition. That's kind of where my set point was.

Starting point is 01:04:05 Does that mean that I couldn't move it? Could it mean I couldn't be healthier or less healthy by making poor choices in your life where you're going through? I'm like, you know, 20 years old. I'm like, I'm at the highest as far as like testosterone and like my hormones and everything. I'm still growing as a human being. And there's points where that process slows down, of course.

Starting point is 01:04:24 But, you course, but you know, at that point too, like the psychological piece becomes even more prevalent. Like, this is how I have to, you know, pursue on. If I want, if I have a specific goal, I want to recalibrate, you know, and get to a new objective. Now, there's also a point to be made here, though, with like what Lane talked about with the adipose tissue and in increasing your fat cells every time you do this yo-yo dieting and absolutely like if you continue to lose weight then gain a bunch back lose weight and gain a bunch back that it becomes easier for your body to

Starting point is 01:04:53 want to be fat. Your body remembers? Yes, it remembers that and it's easier for it to get fat again if you were there before. So the up and down thing is one of the worst things that we could possibly have done to our bodies and so Yeah, it probably does feel that I mean I noticed that right now I mean I feel like right now because I have little I'm I'm moving right now on my hormones have completely changed That man if I eat outside of my you know, caloric restriction where I need to be to kind of maintain

Starting point is 01:05:19 It feels like it just goes right to my gut it goes right to my stomach Well, yeah, that's because I've put on body fat in my stomach enough time and then lost to put it back enough time that you bet your ass. It just takes a little bit of outside the boundaries and my body starts to put that body fat. I had a, so here's a good example of this. I had a conversation with Jessica over the weekend and I've been a user as an example because I completely forgot how dramatic of a chain she had made with her body's natural set point or if you will or her natural metabolism.

Starting point is 01:05:50 When I met her two and a half years ago, because we were going over these numbers in Alzheimer's, is that right? And she did. She tracked everything. She weighed 135 pounds. She was consuming 1,300 calories a day. And she was doing seven plus hours of running a week. So that's not just regular elliptical cardio.

Starting point is 01:06:07 That's actually running. Seven hours of running, 135 pounds and consume 13 hundred calories. Anytime she consume over 1300 calories, she gained weight. That was two and a half years ago. Today, she'll consume over 22 hundred calories a day. Now is what she eats. She weighs 119 or 120 pounds, and she does zero cardio. Just to give you an example of how much you can change the body,

Starting point is 01:06:31 I mean, you're talking about the difference of eight to 900 calories in food and a reduction in manual calorie burning by a lot. You're talking about seven hours of cardio every single week, and that's not some wild, like crazy example. I see it with the people that say, that's a coach all the time. Katrina is the exact same story. It's crazy.

Starting point is 01:06:50 I met her, she was an college athlete and the way she stayed in shape was she ran her ass off. She ran for miles and miles every day. And you know, and when she trained inside the gym, everything was circuit training based. And you know, when she was in great shape, she just tightened her diet up a little bit, when she was in not so great shape,

Starting point is 01:07:08 she was eating pizza and whatever the fuck she wanted just trying to run it all off. And her calories were typically anywhere between 15, 1600 calories just to keep herself at a lean body weight and running that much. And she's a zero cardio now, lifts weights four days a week and is able to consume damn near a thousand more calories a day

Starting point is 01:07:27 that she was before. It's fucking wild. Yeah, but I mean, that's exactly, it's an example of how. And you can go in the opposite direction. It's a set point that people try and market to you is always changing and you can control that and absolutely change that in all different directions.

Starting point is 01:07:42 And you can be very extreme about it. So if you're somebody who's using the set point thing as an excuse of why you can't build muscle or lose body fat, again, this is more of a psychological set point than it is an actual physical set point. Next question is from Natalia Goody. I want to understand the best way to warm up is stretching before lifting weights or warm up.

Starting point is 01:08:04 So first, I would like to talk about the importance of a proper warm up, or we like to call priming. Now, I will admit, for most of my career and fitness, I did not understand the full impact of the importance of a proper. It's almost an afterthought. I thought of it as, I thought it began and ended with injury prevention. That's it. I thought, okay, here's why I have my clients warm up, here's why I warm up, it's to prevent injury.

Starting point is 01:08:33 I did not consider that that was the absolute minimum that a proper warm up should do. The reality is, the minimum of good warm up will do is prevent injury. The maximum it will do is take your current workout and make it like not exaggerating 10 to 15% more effective in terms of muscle building, fat loss, just through better connection and better movement. It's like adding a turbo, like take your current workout

Starting point is 01:08:59 and then it's like sprinkling a little bit of crating on it or like a little bit of turbo on it. You don't have to change your workout. You just primed it so well that that same workout is way more effective. That's how big of an impact it can make. Now that being said, you can do general warm-ups and priming, but nothing is going to be come close to one that's specific for your body. What I mean by that is, let's say I want to do a general priming session for barbell

Starting point is 01:09:27 squats. I know I'm the squat. Well, I'll probably do some hip priming, maybe some leg swings, maybe I'll do some single leg toe touches, maybe I'll warm up my ankles and my feet a little bit. I'll do some short foot and some combat stretch with activation. And then I'll get in and do my squats. Or knowing my body and knowing the issues that I have with my body, which is going to be different from person to person, I'll do specific types of priming for my body.

Starting point is 01:09:55 For example, one for me that works really well for spa bell squats is to sit in a squatted position and do a band pull apart or do kind of like this wide row with a band because I have issues with my thoracic and I have issues with depth with my squat. And it's just one that's more specific to me. If you prime your individual body properly before you lift weights, it's like a new workout. I really don't know how any other way.

Starting point is 01:10:19 I mean, when we wrote prime and we started implementing that shit, I was just like, wow, this is a totally different ballgame, completely. Yeah, I keep. I was just like, wow, this is a totally different ball game completely. Yeah, I keep evangelizing it just because, I mean, I think that it's still a new concept for a lot of people that work out. I think that it's something that people,

Starting point is 01:10:38 when they finally take ownership of it and they want to actually vest some time into it. Because I think that a lot of people are still in the mentality that time is everything and I just want to get to the workout and what is this really going to do for my workout? Well, when you actually go through the process, you feel it. It's something that you tangibly feel.

Starting point is 01:11:01 So that's day one. Day one, you're going to feel how everything fires off the way that you wantibly feel. So that's day one. Day one, like you're gonna feel how everything like fires off the way that you want it to. So it's really just, it's setting things up. So that way, when you're actually in your workout, as you're experiencing these movements and these lifts, you're gonna actually feel it where you're supposed to feel it and also you're gonna get other muscles

Starting point is 01:11:22 that are gonna contribute and stabilize your joints, how they should, that you're gonna feel that how that all works together. So if you do it properly, but it does take some education. Well, I work, we just, I think it's human nature. We don't want to, we don't want to fix something until it's broken, and we don't realize it's, it's broken until we get the crazy red flags of the injuries and the aches and the pains, and at least this is how it was for me personally, like as a trainer, I went through all the certifications, I learned all this stuff and I remember, I remember teaching it. I remember telling clients like, oh, you need a foam roll, you need to do some of these stuff like that and just, you know, do it.

Starting point is 01:11:55 Like it's, you know, I tell them, I didn't want to, and I used to even tell them like, I don't want to waste my time, you know, on the floor and in the mat for 20, 30 minutes of your workout with me. Like I want you, you know, that's something you can do on your own. Like, with me, we get to work, you know, I used to tell my clients out. So I'd show day one that was, I would show them the corrective movements that I knew they should be doing, but I wouldn't like drill. I didn't put that much effort into it.

Starting point is 01:12:18 And part of that reason was because I was a young 25 year old kid who had no aches and pains and didn't really, I had great posture and I took care of myself really well and so I didn't have nagging pains and I didn't know what it felt like to have hips, my hips lock up or my neck bothering me or my shoulder nagging or to hear this clicking noises. I didn't know any of that stuff yet.

Starting point is 01:12:39 It wasn't until I got into my 30s, did it really open my fucking eyes and I went like, holy shit. I consider myself a very fit person and I'm starting to see and feel and notice these things. And then I started to actually apply all the knowledge that I had to myself and I went holy shit. A bunch of light bulbs. Yeah, game changer, how I felt. And then at that moment it became this, this was a prior, now I start when I would take a client

Starting point is 01:13:03 and be like, that's all I would spend time doing. It's like, this is your foundation. We gotta make sure your body is in the optimal position before we go and do these lives or one, we could potentially hurt ourselves more too, we're not maximizing your results because your body's not even working properly. Well think too about, and I know some people might be able

Starting point is 01:13:22 to identify with this as far as ramping up into, like, okay, now I'm adding load that I feel like, okay, now I'm comfortable. I've done the proper amount of sets leading up to that. So for me, that's eliminated that whole process. So if I'm going to squat, I don't have to do an extra five sets of warm-up to really get into that space where I feel like everything is firing and supporting me properly. That's a good point because people will be like, oh, I don't have time for a good priming session.

Starting point is 01:13:52 Well, you're probably doing a bunch of warm up sets of the exercises anyway. So you actually have the same, it takes about the same amount of time. It takes me a good 15 to 20 minutes max to do my priming session. And it saves me time because I get into the exercises very quick.

Starting point is 01:14:05 Look, here's a deal. Grease and agree. Before, okay, when your body hurts, what you need to understand is, before the pain comes, there was weeks, months, or years of inefficiencies, dysfunction, or dysfunction. So what does that mean? That means for weeks, months, or years,

Starting point is 01:14:23 you were getting a percentage of what you could have been getting from your workouts. You were literally getting less than the potential. You just didn't know it because nothing was hurting yet. And then when it started to hurt, you're like, oh shit, I need to start priming my body properly. You've already wasted a lot of time, or at least a lot of potential

Starting point is 01:14:42 that you'd be getting from your workouts. The second thing is I can't stress how individual or how much more effective it is when you prime individually on an individual basis. I'll give you another good example. Let's say you have really bad forward shoulder. You are gonna prime to bring the shoulders back and down before any fucking exercise, okay?

Starting point is 01:15:04 So it's not necessarily specific to the exercise, although priming can be, it's more specific to your body because is my ability to hold myself into better posture, going to benefit me knowing that I have lower shoulder, is that going to benefit me when I squat? Yes. Is he going to benefit me when I do a row? Yes. What about when I bench press? Yes. Overhead row. Yes, what about when I bench press? Yes, overhead press, yes.

Starting point is 01:15:25 What about when I do a curl? Yes. Pretty much anything I do is gonna be more effective and efficient if I work on the imbalances and issues that my individual body has. And that's what makes priming different than a warmup. Now, the question here is stretching before lifting weights a warmup.

Starting point is 01:15:44 Static stretching, typically we don't advise doing it before. Yeah, but for correctional purposes, some things could be okay. We have to explain why static stretching, which to me, I think is one of my biggest pet peeves that I see in sports. I see this a lot. I see young coaches with athletes, they have their kids all out there, then they're holding these long static stretches right before they go into a game. This is not ideal.

Starting point is 01:16:07 If you're gonna do some sort of a stretch, like a dynamic stretch would be more ideal. Just moving in through it and out. And that's because when you sit there and you hold a stretch for 30 seconds or longer, you're telling the central nervous system to relax, to calm down, to relax, and then you, and you all, everyone's felt it before, right?

Starting point is 01:16:24 You're in a stretch, it's like, oh, it's rough. And then rough and then also it's like cool like you feel this release or you get deeper and range of motion is the focus Right versus like you know taking you in that like shortened position Which is what you're gonna apply on the field right? Yeah, look here. You don't you're just from another angle if I'm stretching my hamstrings hamstrings with a static stretch and I'm holding the stretch and I gain an additional three inches of range of motion, what I've done now is I've told my body to have this new range of motion that I have no strength with him. So now when I'm running or fighting or wrestling or whatever sport I'm doing, I'm going to move in a new

Starting point is 01:17:01 range of motion that I don't necessarily have good control over, which increases my risk of injury. This is why studies show that I don't necessarily have good control over, which increases my risk of injury. This is why studies show that static stretching just applied willy-nilly pre-workout or pre-event raises the risk of injury, not decreases it. Now, is static stretching okay before a workout? It depends. For correctional purposes, sometimes it's okay.

Starting point is 01:17:22 Using the example of forward shoulder, if someone's forward shoulder is so fucking bad that it's okay using the example of forward shoulder. If someone's forward shoulder is so fucking bad that it's hard for me to get their shoulders back, I may statics stretch their chest. Of course, especially before they go do bench press or something. Just to get shit out of the way. But no, for the most part, general statics stretching, we'll increase your resume. We programmed all of this in Maps Prime.

Starting point is 01:17:42 That's what Maps Prime is designed for. There's an assessment tool that comes with it. You do a full, there's three tests that come with it, and it will help you figure out what areas that you have some sort of dysfunction or imbalances at, and then where you should be priming and or if it's really bad, what types of fortification sessions that you should be doing, which is more along the lines of static stretching and self-mile fascial release going that direction. So we've, I mean, again, and I've said this multiple times, like, I think the most valuable program that we have is the Prime Pro bundle, which is both prime, maps Prime Pro, which

Starting point is 01:18:20 is highly recommended if you have nagging pain, shoulder stuff, and stuff. That's the real correction. Yeah, that's like, if you have, if you complain aboutging pain, shoulder stuff, and stuff. That's the real correction. Yeah, that's like if you complain about that stuff, that's a must. If you're just somebody who wants to be more preventative and you don't have any aches or pains, but then you do recognize and understand the importance of properly stretching or warming up

Starting point is 01:18:37 before you go into a workout, then maps prime is hands down, the most beneficial thing. I mean, I love to have somebody who just comes on board a my pump always tell them like, listen, if you're already following a program, like I'm not asking you to stop your, especially if you like it and you're seeing great results and you trust the person that's programmed for you,

Starting point is 01:18:53 follow their program, add prime and prime pro into that and see how much you start to get more out of their program just by priming. The biggest opportunity I see with prime is for athletes to use the priming session that they figure out for their body before their event. That would be, that's such an application that has so much potential. Like before you go on the field, do your priming session that you've learned that is for

Starting point is 01:19:17 your body and then go watch your performance and see what happens. Next question is from Xavier San, five. Have you guys ever thought about using Mind Pump as a platform to do philanthropy? I know what you asked this. Sure. Put this question in there. For sure. It's 100%. We're already heading that direction right now. We first had to get Doug paid though. I mean, that's that was definitely a priority first. No, for sure. You can't afford that stripper and cocaine habit if we weren't paying him first. Remember when I brought that up years ago? It does.

Starting point is 01:19:50 It does. I got so mad. Yeah, we were a hell of early on. I said, Doug's co-, don't say that people were going to think I took cocaine. Relax, Doug. No, no, this has been something that early on. I remember, Sal, always said that this was before we made a dollar. Sal said, my ultimate goal is to eventually start a nonprofit, whether it be through or with my impump or whatever.

Starting point is 01:20:13 I know that's been an end goal of his and most certainly I wanted to get a Ferrari. That's what I think I said earlier. We all agree that this is something that we're trying to implement into mind pump and, you know, part of our conversation and us aligning with Mir and Brian, which is an epithetist CEO. You guys will hear that episode coming real soon here and we talked a lot about this. Oh, yeah. I think, I think, as a private business, if you're successful, I think you have a responsibility to find purpose and meaning for what you do.

Starting point is 01:20:50 We had a responsibility at first become successful, though. So that is what's going to take that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no your responsibility, if you're trying to be successful, is to literally find purpose in meaning, because nothing will drive you to do a better job, then if you feel like there's a purpose behind what you're doing. So that may just mean that you want to make the most,

Starting point is 01:21:16 you know, cost effective breaks on a car. That may be your purpose, and that's fine. I just see that as being a difficult, I don't necessarily think that that's something that's a common purpose. I think at least for me, and I know for you guys, is if we know we're helping a cause and we're directly affecting and helping that cause, I think it'll make us so much better at what we do because it's bigger than us.

Starting point is 01:21:41 You know what I mean? It's bigger than mine pump, it's bigger than maps. And it has to do with something that we believe in. And this is definitely a direction. Yeah, I wanted to make an impact that makes sense, you know, with what we're doing as a business as well. So that it aligns nicely with our message and with what we could like tangibly see, helping people, versus us just finding any random charity

Starting point is 01:22:07 and then just banking on the fact that, hey, we're good people. I'm like, you know, honestly. I can't stand that. So I can't, I think that I'm really happy the way we've done this and the order we've done it and the fact that we're having conversations around this is the fact that it won't be a quick decision.

Starting point is 01:22:22 It's something that we've thought long and hard about and we wanna do it right. And like you said, Justin, it should line with our message and what we're doing. And I think what's happening, and Sal made a point that I think nowadays in business you almost have to, and because of that,

Starting point is 01:22:36 what I'm seeing people do is they try and use that as their selling point. And like that to me is not what is gross. Right, it is gross to me. And you know, Tom's kind of paved the way, I think for a lot of people, at least for me, I don't remember who it was really doing it before,

Starting point is 01:22:51 Tom's was, but I think even they are struggling now. I don't know if you guys have read stuff on Tom's, but they don't have a good product. They don't have a good product. They're shoe suck. And they, but they, what they were a good example of is if you are doing some great work or you have a great message or you're giving back and You're a good cause you could literally build a brand off of that and because of that

Starting point is 01:23:13 I see a lot of people doing that But I think they're doing it with the wrong intention like I think we started to even have a product yet Right like a lot of times you'll see like this like very you know great intentions going into intentions going into the business, but the business end of it hasn't been well thought out yet. Right. Yeah, it's like they want to gather all this money and for this cause and it, but, you know, it's all hype, dude, it's all hype. If you're, you know, and not to knock somebody who started their business off this way, if with good intentions, you know, I'm not talking about everybody. I know it's an overgeneralization when I talk like this, but it's a bad business plan. It is a bad business plan. And let's be honest, we're gonna be able to provide way more help by doing it this way, by way, how can you help anybody if you fail?

Starting point is 01:23:54 Yeah, and how are you really helping anybody? If you don't have a good product, or you don't have anything else, and you're purely just trying to leverage the me giving back as a way to build your business, how much are you really helping? And people might think, oh, it's so cool. He gives all of his money over to whatever cause. And it's like, well, yeah, all of his money

Starting point is 01:24:12 is only $100 a month, that's all he's making. Or it would be more impactful for us to take the time to actually build a legitimate successful business that's going to be here for years and years and years. And then take our time to court a bunch of different, and do our homework, because there's a lot of these businesses that are doing things that aren't helping. They think they're helping, but they're not.

Starting point is 01:24:32 I mean, how many times we were just talking about this with Brian, was they ruined economies. Right. They're like, oh shit, like I didn't see that happening. Right. Like, I want to be smart. I want to be really smart with what we do. I want to really help people, Not just in the short term, I want to help people in the long term,

Starting point is 01:24:46 and I don't want to go in real economies, which has happened so many fucking times. A good example is Haiti during that whole situation where they needed lots of help. We went in and dumped hundreds of thousands or millions of pounds of rice to feed the people. And in the meantime, destroy their economy for rice, and so we killed all the businesses there,

Starting point is 01:25:07 and now they have nothing to continue. So now they eat all the rice that they got for free, or whatever, from charity, and now they're fucked in their in a bad situation, that was poor thinking and planning. So I wanna help people in a very real way, but at the end of the day, look, the bottom line is this, like if we're growing and we're successful, you know, nothing

Starting point is 01:25:26 will drive, I can only, I can speak personally, I know you guys feel the same way. Nothing drives me to work harder and do more than knowing that there's people that I'm really helping. Part of that is through the podcast, when we go on do these live events, you know, I get so humbled because I hear firsthand from people how our fitness advice or whatever is helping them. And it makes me feel like, oh, fuck, this is definitely bigger than just the business. We're really helping people with eating disorders, we're helping people with the relationships to exercise and food and make the right decisions.

Starting point is 01:25:58 And that feels really, really good and gives us a sense of purpose. And I think, look, as the business grows, as it makes money, as we become very successful monetarily, it'll feel really good to know that we can help with some of that money. And other ways, not just through the market, which is also a great way to do it, but also through philanthropy. And I don't know. Isn't that right there that point you just kind of went over? Is it such a good one that you could argue that someone running a very, very successful business is doing more good for the economy and for others than somebody who starts off with the idea of these intentions to get back. If you have a business and it's total market, total free market, what I mean by that is

Starting point is 01:26:40 you're not getting subsidies from the government, you're not, you know, no laws are saying you have to exist. You literally exist because societies buying your shit and supporting you, you are making people's lives better. Now there's no, you can't pass judgment on whether or not, you know, you think it's better or not. Like I can't look at Twinkie company and say, well, they're not really making other people, because maybe they are, people wanna buy their Twinkies

Starting point is 01:27:03 and whatever. And I know the health implications, but people are making that decision for themselves. So, you know, if you do have a successful business, you are in many ways making people feel better on helping them. And I'm sure you're eating a twinkie. That's right.

Starting point is 01:27:16 Ooh, right. Exactly. But it's a really good point, Justin. But no, we're definitely going this way. We're just weighing out options. Can we still buy twinkies? I think somebody, yeah, bought the brand I was erected host. Can we can we can we can we have a twinkie when we go on this trip? No, dude

Starting point is 01:27:30 I did they're not good. You can have whatever I disagree with that. Can we at least have a taste test? Hey, we'll see if we can find what do you think Justin? Yeah, we'll see we think just of course I'm in That's my boy Just to pin me down. Just a dog or whatever you say, Adam. Come on, man. Come on, Doug. It's not going to turn into one of these.

Starting point is 01:27:50 That a boy. You're going to be the only one who doesn't have a twinkie. I have a twinkie. I don't care. You know, it's crazy. Watch how happy we're going to be. And you're going to be a spiel over there like sulking. I'll wait till you guys wait for the next little pity party.

Starting point is 01:28:00 I'll wait till you guys are real. I'm not going to be a shithwinkie. And I'm going to be gloating. I'm going to bring the wipes. Well, we have to be extra wipes. We gotta be careful. We can't have a box of twinkies. We can have a A-twinkie. I think one.

Starting point is 01:28:09 You know what, though? Here's the thing. I remember, oh, you didn't? No, I never liked the kid. I loved them. No, no, no, no. You know what I liked? I liked the kid.

Starting point is 01:28:17 What do they call, they look like a cupcake but they have the hard custard on the top? Oh, ho, ho. It kind of looks like that. It looks like those little Debbie things. Or the ding-dongs. Is it a cupcake, but they have the hard custard on the top. Oh Ho ho it kind of looks like that was little Debbie or the ding dongs. Is it a ding god? You're like an expert on this Oh, it was a ding Sweet leader man, I tell you he's all ding dong 45 the one from 1986

Starting point is 01:28:38 So they were they changed the recipe to swirlers I'm like holy shit. No, they were the yellow ones, and they had the yellow custard on the top that was kind of hard, and then this quickly lined on it. Oh, zingers. Zingers. Yeah. Yeah, I can just, I like the spiderfacad. I actually did a bulk once, and I utilized zingers.

Starting point is 01:28:58 Wow, yes, because I'm like, I just need calories. So I would eat a massive bowl of cereal milk, I'd eat five scrambled eggs with cheese, and then on the way to work, I'd eat forzing, or it's fine. You know what I'd be actually eat those shitty pies at like 7-Eleven, too? Home-run pie.

Starting point is 01:29:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so good. You know what's interesting to me are the things like that, all of those that we just literally named, right? Because they were all things that I ate as a kid. It reminds me of what happened to me when I was, I mean, as a trainer, right away, as soon as I was in the gym life, so by 20, right away, I was eating protein bars all the time,

Starting point is 01:29:33 almost every day for years and years and years. And it was always finding which one you like best and oh, these ones are amazing. I thought I had the highest protein. Right, right, I was my little stuff. Chasing that stuff. And Quest has got such a great protein bar, right? Well, it wasn't until we started Mind Pump

Starting point is 01:29:48 that I like cut protein bars out of my diet. Now, remember I did a show where I was like, I'm not gonna do any protein powder or any bars and see if I can notice a difference in my body. I'm gonna do all whole foods. And I did, I remember telling Sharon that on the show. The thing that I was most fascinated with though, is protein bars that I loved and thought were delicious

Starting point is 01:30:06 When I went back and tried them again tasted awful and they tasted awful that to the point where I thought oh I must have got a bad bar So let me eat a second one and then I need a second one to be like that's doesn't taste okay I bet by the third and fourth one my about the fourth or fifth bar in a row I could I could condition you started and then by the bar, seven, eight, nine, it's like, oh, these are so good again. And it's like, I did that a couple times where I intentionally took it away

Starting point is 01:30:31 for a long enough, like a good period of time, then came back to kind of test that. That's why I, you know, fascinated to me. So here's what's gonna happen. I'll predict this right now. You're gonna eat the twinkie. You're gonna have a piece of it and you're gonna be like, oh, I don't want any more.

Starting point is 01:30:43 Okay, that's what we'll make ourselves eat it. It's too much. Yeah, it's too sweet. Like, I don't want any more. Okay, that's the thing. And then we'll make ourselves eat it. It's too much. Yeah, it's too sweet, like I don't want any more. That's how I'm gonna do that. That's what's gonna happen. The only way you can get away with it is if you have a glass of full fat whole milk with it, that'll help offset the strategy.

Starting point is 01:30:54 Is that, yeah. Oh yeah, because it offsets the sweet. I'm gonna apply that. Or you put butter on it, Justin. Okay. Now we're talking about it. Butter twinkies. And then, the chips and bacon.

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