Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 795: The Beach Broadcast

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, up, mind, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. So today's episode is a little like unique episode for you guys. This is us just hanging out at the beach. We got away for a couple of days where we create and decided just to record why we're sitting on here. So it's kind of a cool, I don't know. We've had fun conversations. Super, super random, but just, we're having a little bit. We were talking, we were talking about, we were talking a lot about

Starting point is 00:00:31 new media, the business, we talked about, what else we were talking about? We were trying to solve the world at one point. I think we went off just in really, really good conversations. It was good, though. It was. Yeah. So those, those people that are used to like the, we've done a couple of these episodes recently. We have some, yeah, where we just go off. Part of what inspired us to just get on the mics today and do that, it's been a long time. I mean, this is how the structure works for mine,

Starting point is 00:00:53 but we have our claws, we have our interviews. We haven't had this opportunity to do random episodes like we used to when we first started. And so we started sprinkling them in and we're getting all this great feedback. So we were trying to see how people react because that was like a lot of what we didn't get a lot of what we did So it's fun and this episode is is gonna be sponsored by organify So that's the official sponsor now

Starting point is 00:01:13 We didn't do any sort of a commercial inside of the episode because it literally was us just having a conversation right now on the beach and hanging out And we weren't thinking about sponsors We were just recording what we're talking about and you guys know if you if you listen to us, Organify, we work with them. They make organic supplements, some of which we use quite a bit like the turmeric, which I've talked about quite a few times, the green juice. Yeah, green juice. We like to take on our trips. Oh, we always run it. We have it right now. We always go on our trips and it's a staple thing that we all pack. Always get the little travel packs for the green juice and we do have a discount we have a specific specific discount for mine pump listeners and is it organified now or is it organified shop? It's organified.com forage slash mine pump and they get 20% off 20% off you use the code mine pump

Starting point is 00:01:56 That's right pretty mugs are on use the code mine pump. Oh, we have a lady. Yes, sir. Yeah, this is a page. You've got a cool Annie page. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they used it. Oh, they have the beard. I've got the This is a lady page. You got a cool, any page now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They used to, they had the beard. I've got the big beard of that one. You had a very fatherly looking beard on that one. I was before I was very paternal. Yeah, because now you're like, you're making it at a point. I can, there's more and more. Yeah, like sharp.

Starting point is 00:02:16 It's not as round. Yeah, it's a little more round back then. So anyway, this episode is just us having a fun conversation. Right, give him back to you guys. Those of you guys that have been around for a long time, love listening to these types of conversations, you'll enjoy those of you here that are purely for the science, exercise science and fitness you may not have.

Starting point is 00:02:31 Sorry, I'm not sorry. Fast forward to the, or go to the, the quad episodes that we're gonna answer questions. That's right, we'll get to you all though. So here we go. Wait if we're not good, what if we just like doing this because we feed each other's egos, but we're not a good, I will.

Starting point is 00:02:44 I think there's a lot of truth to that We're so awesome. Whoa. We're so good awesome awesome the high five high fives the first step I think of of success is first believing that you are right I mean if you don't you're never gonna be that way that one down I think I think that's important you gotta tell the audience is different. We are definitely we're out in Where we at poor Paul Harrow do. There are. Oh, God. Who's get the most fucked up feet with putter feet out?

Starting point is 00:03:08 It's me, dude. All of the stuff. Wow. You like starts a survey. No, bro. Oh, my God. I'm going special tell. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah. You have a you have a you have a genuinely special tell. Yeah. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's discarded. It's not what's wrong with it. It's going in different directions. Yeah. Yeah. Did you break it or something? Mine's, mine's like, it's discarded. It's not, what's wrong with it? It's going in different directions. Yeah. Did you break it or something? Mine's all uniformly fucked.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Yeah, it's like, they're trying to grip for the earth. Yeah. Ah! Hot. Look at all the, yeah, you're then, there's some fallen soldiers in there. Yeah, it's like, they're definitely going to have arthritis.

Starting point is 00:03:40 Mine. Yeah. Yeah. I do have like, they showed you. I have excessively long, yeah, but you can still do it. You can still do it., I have excessively long. Yeah, but you can go to the next one. Why is that one so long? You know what?

Starting point is 00:03:51 It's just I have long. I have long. Don't touch me. Do I say something right now? Don't ever touch another man's foot. No, no, no. Don't ever touch another man's foot with your foot. That's the worst.

Starting point is 00:04:01 That's like, don't know. No, worst is when hand, hand goes to acid it hand to hand is worse than foot to touch I think like crossing streams you know ghost busters. They fucking don't touch. Oh come on you cross streams all the time And you're a kid. Yeah, well, did you? That's different when you were real real real young when you were little boys in a show time My kids do that. I mean, I'm the boss. Yes, of course We pee off the back deck, do we do all that stuff? They're literally leaving the way, that's why. It's fun, it's like, this is like normal boys.

Starting point is 00:04:30 Listen, you were gonna pee off the deck last night? You were gonna pee off the deck, you were literally peeing to someone's yard. All these social constructs, yeah. Taylor was like, let me be free. Dude, you can't pee off this deck, there's houses in front of us. Yeah, no, I got that much. And people, somebody could have walked by

Starting point is 00:04:51 and now to been a dick. That would have been, that's just a dick move. You would have been on Megan's Law. I know. Yes. I know, there's like a root, like laws, for indecent exposure. Yeah, yeah, that's scary.

Starting point is 00:05:00 Did I ever tell you guys that I had a trainer who worked for me that his dad was on Megan's Law? Yes dad was yes, I was there with you, but I won't I won't say any names right? I can't but I remember that I was like What the fuck at that time I just found out what Megan's Law was yeah, and someone was showing me like Oh, yeah, no, you can just put put in a zip code or an address and it'll show you all the offenders Oh good. And the area and I was tripping out on that. And the immediate horror after that.

Starting point is 00:05:28 Yeah, he's like, ah, like you researched your own zip code. Well, it's kind of broad how you can get on there. Right, well, this is what made this such an awkward situation for me. It's like, I see my trainer who I've been working for me for quite some time at that time. And I see his dad pop up. We never had that conversation

Starting point is 00:05:46 Yeah, like you don't know what why he was on there right He and actually if you go on making a lot and I Here's a thing. I know him so well that I've gone camping or done things with him and stuff like that And I would never ever suspect never assume that right so that's how it usually works now Did it say did it say no, it's very vague the way it say it. It's like, no, I wish I remember the exact, but I knew, I remember then trying to trust me, I tried to troubleshoot this for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:12 I remember like trying to like, what could it possibly, could it be this, it could be that, what's most likely? I know his personality really well. What would he most likely, could have got himself caught up? As you can pee and like, like you said, like you can get put them on there for some bullshit.

Starting point is 00:06:25 Yeah, if you were to pee outside at like a public park. Yeah. If you pee in a public park and there were children present. You know, even if they weren't present. Even if they weren't? Even if they weren't. If it was like you were strolling by at 11 o'clock now. I don't know any man who's never done that.

Starting point is 00:06:38 Every man's done that. That's why it's crazy. Because that's why somebody could. Yeah. But then you also get put on there. If you're, let's say you're a, you can also get on there if you're Rape kids, yeah, oh my god, you don't say you absolutely, there's no, that's a good point. No, that's the same thing. That's why that's why it's not fair. It's not truth though, right? Yeah, it's the truth. I think he jumps so far.

Starting point is 00:07:08 Me and Adam, maybe a Justinian was like, cut the podcast. Cut the podcast. Cut the podcast. That's too much. That's a real life right there. No, but it's true, man. You know, you can get on there if, let's say there's a guy or a girl, because this girl's can get on there too, right?

Starting point is 00:07:23 Although not a lot of them are on there compared to guys. I guess you can. We make up let's be honest you know men make up a majority of the fucked up you know winning in all the wrong games. Yeah it's it's because we're disposable. That's why we evolved the way we did we're disposable but anyway you can literally have a guy who's 19 who has a girlfriend who's say, 17, and they have sex or whatever, and her parents could go after him and say, oh, statutory rape. But even though they're only like, you know, two years apart, he can get on that list. Well, technically, you can do that one year apart, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:00 There's some laws, I think, in some states where they tried to remedy that by passing, like saying, saying okay if they have to be this many years apart or whatever whatever but anyway that's okay yeah that's fucked up i never had that conversation though yeah i think one of those ones like i wanted to but i didn't want to really yeah yeah what you just want to know how i've done things with him no i know i know i knew him you know who to all too curious what kind of thing what of these camping trips look like. I mean, I probably meet today would ask,

Starting point is 00:08:30 I think me today would ask, me back then was more like, shut up if this is the one. If it's, you would not have, yeah, I wanted to pursue that. Yeah, but that was in this person word for you. Yeah, long time. Well, and I'm, there's dad, like I said, I did things with him. Like, I should clarify that. Well, I'm trying not to be like I said I did things with him like we like I should actually Well, I'm trying not to be specific so people can't be that's we can start to like piece it together

Starting point is 00:08:50 Like you went on like you did things like yeah Family outings yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. He was close. I was very close to his his family But I was out with a lot of my trainers that worked with me for a long time So that doesn't narrow it down to a trainer for a regular. Is there any element of the gym working in the gym? Is there any element of it that you miss? Of course. Oh yeah, 100%. No people, I mean really, just seeing those people, I mean, it was tough to leave that environment,

Starting point is 00:09:19 right? Yeah. The team atmosphere. It's the team and it kind of, I mean, we have a team now. It was easy to fall into that though, you know, like, what was established or it's like everything's like, I'm talking about specifically to the G right, because we have a team now, you know, we're repurpating that. Yeah, but what about the gym? Like, here's

Starting point is 00:09:36 what I missed. I don't, I don't, I don't miss anything about really. No, I really don't, I mean, there's like the part of the team, like, we have it in a cooler way now. Like Justin was saying, we stepped, you came into an established built structure. It was established. We're building and creating that, which I think that's what satisfies the craving of why we love doing it so much is because it requires

Starting point is 00:09:56 a whole nother level of skill. It's one thing to join a team, it's another thing to build the team, right? It's all different. It's all different skill. But I do miss some specifics about it. Because you got to keep in mind, I've been out of gyms for a long time. Because for 12 or 13 years, I owned a wellness studio.

Starting point is 00:10:19 I'm a Santa Cruz, bro. I'm telling you guys. That's what I miss. I miss the gym, that culture that's within, because people don't realize this, gyms are, they should, I don't know why they haven't made a sitcom that's based on a gym you have.

Starting point is 00:10:32 You have a not well. Yeah, it's definitely something. Well, again, that's something. It's like a bar without alcohol. Well, again, too, that's also us in our bubble. It's just human beings. You know, we're humans beings gather. It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:10:44 There's still a smaller percentage of people that have been in a gym than have it. Oh yeah, yeah. No, but I'm saying like, we're still, it's not that big of a deal. No, but I'm saying what you personally, because you experienced that you were in it, like the gym required, it was a different level of energy

Starting point is 00:11:00 you need to have, because you walk in, there's always music's on. Yeah. There's shit going on all the time. Even during dead time, there's still stuff going on. You kind of, you walk in there's always music's on yeah there's shit going on all the time even during dead time there's still stuff going on you kind of you know there's your surrounded by lots of people you almost it's almost exhausting if you think about it it's exciting but it's also exhausting because it requires a level of energy we all we comment on this all the time

Starting point is 00:11:19 how often do we comment on this we have we have next door to us yes we share a walk with the CrossFit gym. And they play, they blast the music that we all love. So we totally appreciate it. We've never said anything. And they're yelling at each other. But what have we all said? We're like, fuck that would be so disgusting.

Starting point is 00:11:34 I would be so exhausted. I would be so exhausted to make one of those words. I know it would take to make that run efficiently. And I know it would take for me to do that. And like, that doesn't sound like fun at all. When you were coaching at Orange Theory, because when you're doing that, you got to have to put out a lot of energy.

Starting point is 00:11:49 I can only imagine you're putting out a lot of energy. It's like people, what was the most classes you would do in a day, and were there exhausting? They must have been exhausting. 100%. 100%. But like,

Starting point is 00:11:58 like would you limit yourself and go, here's the deal. Here's the deal with that, though. So how do I say this without selling really fucking arrogant? I'm trying to think of this. Well, it's too though. So, how do I say this without selling really fucking arrogant? I'm trying to think it's the only one that can do it. Well, it's the true. It's the true.

Starting point is 00:12:11 It's by the time, I'm about to say something really cool about it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Go ahead, dude. You're doing it, just go ahead. By the time that I experienced Orange Theory, I had already, you know, I've been a trainer for over 10 years by that time. You were season. I was very season.

Starting point is 00:12:23 And that's kind of a job and not to knock any trainers. There's bad-ass trainers that are there, but it's typically a job that most like beginner trainers would get into. It's got a structure for them. They don't really know human anatomy. That's a model, right? Right, it's designed to attract that.

Starting point is 00:12:38 And so when I got in there, it didn't take the best of me. I've said this before, I think on the podcast. It didn't take the best of me to really've said this before, I think on the podcast, it didn't take the best of me to really shine in that environment because I wasn't challenged. And so I could skate by and still, but there was moments, and I'm sure people of taking classes of me that have remembered this or that maybe for them, they're like,

Starting point is 00:12:57 oh man, that was really good. Where, I'm competitive with myself. And so absolutely at the beginning, I turned it on. You know what I'm saying? I put energy into it. It's also teaching a group. Teaching a group is so different from training 101. Totally. I personally don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy it nearly as much as I like training.

Starting point is 00:13:15 People one-on-one, but I think based off what you told me about how you would teach your classes, it's similar to when I would do group training where rather than doing group training, I would just turn it into like one-on-one training in a group. That's how I would approach it. You're teaching. You're really, truly teaching that. I'm not teaching. You're making your rounds.

Starting point is 00:13:35 I'm not here to see, singling somebody out of the group. I'm not here to teach a class that you want. I get what you're trying to do. You're trying to create an environment for these people, so they keep coming back. You like to build community. So I can appeal, that's why I worked. I can appease the company and give them what they wanted. But what I was going to do was I was going to make sure that these people left with some sort of an impact. Right. So I made sure I taught them. I taught, and I gave them pieces of the knowledge that I've accumulated over my 15 year career of being a personal trainer, and do thousands of people

Starting point is 00:14:03 one on one. And that added so much value. And that was rewarding, that was fun. I enjoyed doing that, but it definitely didn't stretch me. Like this stretches me. What we do now stretches me to a whole other level. We're thinking, yeah. Because it's everything that I've ever experienced are done in the past.

Starting point is 00:14:17 There's no limit either. There really is no limit. There's no structure. I mean, there's structure, but there's no limiting structure. Like you're not limited by the rules of another person, you're not limited by the walls of a, this number of facilities. It's literally, we could push and go and grow

Starting point is 00:14:35 as fast or slow as we want to. And the thing that attracted us the most to what we're doing into each other is that we're constantly pushing that limit, always constantly pushing that limit. And so it just accelerates that process, accelerates. It's one of the reasons why I actually liked personal training so much was what I enjoy,

Starting point is 00:14:55 what I got out of it selfishly was the kind of clients that I would train. As I got, when I got really good, I could pick who I train, right? And these were people that I would learn from. I like teaching them things too, and they definitely hired me to learn how to exercise and learn how to eat and all that stuff,

Starting point is 00:15:10 and have different food relationships, and wellness, and all those wonderful things. But I also selected them for something that I could learn from that. Well, I could totally echo that. And that's why I decided to be even more selective, like as I developed and went further in my career, I wanted to find people who are killers,

Starting point is 00:15:27 but where do you find them? How do you fish for that type of a client? How do you even create something like that? I would argue it's the real rewarding piece of being a personal trainer that the most people don't talk about. Most people act like it. That is the most important.

Starting point is 00:15:42 They act like it's about other people and serving them and getting them the results, but in true, true reality, the gym is in what you get from it. Well, even selfish. Even when you are helping other people lose weight, get in shape, change, whatever, what you get out of that, the reason why, if you truly do enjoy that,

Starting point is 00:16:00 because a lot of people truly do, and truly get benefit from that, it's because that then spurs your own personal growth. You know what I'm saying? Like if you truly impact someone in a very positive way, it's a very humbling experience and it also causes you to, I mean, you self-examine, you grow from it personally. But I mean, it's, look, one of the reasons why my favorite people ever to train were people in advanced age or people who I

Starting point is 00:16:25 considered very very well versed in a field that I really wanted to learn. So I ended up training at the end of my career, my clients were either old or they were in medicine. Those were my two categories of clients. So I trained lots of doctors and ecsthesiologists, you know, I trained a psychiatrist at one point. Explain why you're such an old man about things already. I love it, man. You said you're old man. I got to go to bed.

Starting point is 00:16:49 Yeah, kind of clock. You got to make sure I give my words just six to clock, but I got to get my workout in. Let's go. Come on, let's go right now. We got to get it now. We don't get it now. Oh, bro, this guy's an old man already.

Starting point is 00:16:59 Definitely, definitely. But I mean, there's a lot you can learn from talking to someone who's been on Earth just twice as long as you right You know what I mean? Just meet someone who's been here two times as long as you are as you are Oh, dude talking to somebody who's actually full of wisdom like you had broke down the difference, you know What that it means is it's that that leaves such more of an impact than oh, yeah, you know Just talking to smart people because it's like because now you're connecting You know like and they can apply that. Well, don't you think that's why podcasting

Starting point is 00:17:25 is exploding right now? Yes. Because it gives us that ability to do that. It gives us the ability to connect to like-minded individuals that you may see as, they have a bit of knowledge that you don't possess or a little bit more in an area that you want, and then you can consume that at whatever rate you want.

Starting point is 00:17:42 That's right. And it's also, it's really pretty cool. It's also one of the best ways of learning, I think, is conversation. And that's what a podcast does. It's conversation. And again, one of the things I got out of person, I don't know if that's necessarily true,

Starting point is 00:17:55 that podcasting is a conversation. Sometimes it's like, it's a... What I mean by that is it's communicating. It's communicating in the oldest way that we communicate, which is through our voice, through our words. You can obviously watch people and see how they move and all that stuff. We get this a lot, and what do you think then?

Starting point is 00:18:10 Because I watch a lot of these people that are now starting to get into the space. And it's natural for you to kind of like, okay, I'm going to watch what these people are doing and I'm going to copy that and do something similar. Do you think it's wiser for somebody to go after this more conversational type of a podcast or that they should put some hard work into a structure

Starting point is 00:18:34 and be more of an interview style? Well, so that's an interesting question. I think it depends on the person. Yeah, I know myself. I for sure copy and learn from observing other people, but then it's assimilated and it becomes a part of who I am. So like, I'll give you an example. I had a client a while ago,

Starting point is 00:18:57 he was an anesthesiologist, Mike, he listens to the show, so shout out to Mike. He was this super intelligent dude, but he had this charisma about him. That was just a mate, like anytime he was around people, he could get away with saying anything to anybody and they would never get offended. That's how charismatic he was.

Starting point is 00:19:15 And so I loved being around him. Yes, there's magnetism from that, but that's not the main reason why I like to be around the guy. I like to be around him, because I used to observe how he would do that and how he did that so effortlessly and try to kind of pick up on that and learn those skills myself. And I think if you're trying to be a podcaster, listen to your favorite podcasts, I would say, and you know, you start to assimilate and pick up on the things that speak to you or why they pull you in.

Starting point is 00:19:46 And for some people, that's going to be the more spontaneous conversation style podcast. For other people, it's maybe more informative. I'm not quite sure. I do think it's a blend. I think, I can only speak for us. I know we're very natural conversationalists. It's super easy for us to communicate and have good conversation. But I don't think that that means that we won't benefit from some of the structure. For sure. I think some of the structure will definitely benefit us. We were talking about this earlier about how we conduct our interviews. I think we get away with, you know, we talked about this a lot.

Starting point is 00:20:21 Like we get away with being able to just have a good conversation so much so that we don't... Oh, it's another example of where your greatest strength is your greatest weakness. Yeah, yeah. Because I think some of that structure will help us. Yeah, we've been leading hard on that. Yep. And I think we all have recognized that. And then, and there's other podcasts I've seen that have leaned heavy on, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:40 the information, and that's going to carry them through the whole podcast and like doing their research and, you know, pride in themselves on all on all that like as far as like, okay, I'm going to at least out work everybody. I'm going to do all the research and I'm going to know as much as I can know about this person. So I'm going to have a good conversation as a result, which works. It's a form of that works. And what really what it is is because I used to think about it like, oh, okay, I'm going to research this guest so I can know what to ask so I can know Questions I'm gonna prepare that's not accurate. I think what it is is I'm gonna learn about this guest right

Starting point is 00:21:11 So I can have a good conversation that's what is 100% yeah, that's exactly what it is Yeah, so we can just sit down and have a good conversation What's his name is excellent at that Jordan? Yeah, yeah, Jordan's he's got to be one of the best Like podcasters in that sense that I think I've ever heard. Well, I mean, he's been around for a very long time. He's put the work in. He interviews all over the spectrum.

Starting point is 00:21:31 So he'll have an athlete, a politician, a, you know, religious person, a, you know, fitness. He can go anywhere, you know, so and the reason why he can go anywhere is because he's a intelligent guy already. And then he learns all about this person and it's just natural right you That's the conversational piece is something that I think you need to have. Yeah, I think you or you should have it Now does that mean you can put the work in to become great at it and teach yourself I think I think Jordan talks about how he's an example of that But he wasn't a great. I don't think he was great at conversation right away

Starting point is 00:22:03 He taught himself. That's why art. That's why when he built art a charm with his partners Why was such a big deal is because he he learned steps to become that guy He wasn't that guy naturally. Yeah, I think is I think it's important though for somebody that's getting possibly into podcasting That either one you think about that are do you have that skill set naturally already or two? Are you willing to do yeah? are you willing to do the work? Not sleep. It is, it is interesting the kinds of people that podcasting tends to attract though, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:22:31 You meet this growth minded people. Well growth minded people work, you know, kind of weird. Yeah, I mean, I'm saying this is a kind of entry. I think it's only weird right now because it's still new, it's early adopters. Yes, it's early adopters are always kind of weird because they're willing to they're willing to but it's growing. Yeah, that's the only reason why they're weird right now. We love them. I always love them. Look, we talked about it when we watched the growth of the forum. We watched the type of people that were adding on to the page. You can just see that in general, like the type of audience that we're getting is different than what it was when we first started. And I think that's less of a testament to us and more of a testament to what's happening in this podcasting space.

Starting point is 00:23:12 Well, it's podcasting. It's an interesting space. What was that article I read from Forbes? I think I sent it to you guys. It's something like Advertisement Advertising and Podcasts. And I think it was 2012 with something like $200, something million. They're projecting it to be in 2020, over half a billion dollars. That's a major growth of money that's going into podcasting, because I think businesses and brands are starting to recognize it as a force, and that's only gonna attract more people to podcast.

Starting point is 00:23:42 Yeah, we keep speculating all the time about like how education is going to change. It's changing. You know, like it, like what? Like people are going to like realize one day, oh shit, I can just go on a podcast and learn everything I need to know. Yep, yep, yep. On that one particular, you know, specific subject.

Starting point is 00:23:58 But I think I think as a business, it's still a good, I think it's still a good time to get into pod. It's definitely more competitive than it was when we started just three years ago. It's much more noisy today than it was three years ago. Oh, big time. I think it's really hard to come into a space without either a unique angle or a skill set that somebody else has or a total different vision.

Starting point is 00:24:21 I mean, I remember when we all talked about this when we first started MindPomp, is I I remember and I remember actually it was Doug. Doug was really hard on this about like, you know, there needs to be like an overarching mission that we're trying to accomplish that way. We have something we're working towards and that's where people will get behind you on something versus just something that you're tuning in to listen to because oh, I like it. I'm entertained by it or there's good information there Yeah, there's like there's a mission behind it. There's a mission behind it There's a purpose behind it it now allows for other people to get behind something more than just the podcast It's important man, right? That's the mission statement like that's the most businesses They have to have and they have to put it out there. So it's it's something that every like oh, I agree with that

Starting point is 00:25:04 And now you're attracting more people as a result. I feel like it's harder to fake podcasting than it is to fake any other medium. Well, almost. You know what I mean? I feel like you can. I feel like you can fake YouTube. We already see the people that are trying to creep into it

Starting point is 00:25:18 that already they dominated maybe YouTube or Instagram and they try and fuck with podcasting. It's like, oh, negative. You have to go have a whole conversation with someone. For like an hour. Yeah, it's totally different. They put the staging of photos for two minutes. We're great.

Starting point is 00:25:31 Yeah, that's gonna give you a thumbs up. Yeah, yeah. It's a hard. It's a much harder medium to fake, which is why I think if you're gonna enter into the space, you've got to find that meaning or that purpose for yourself. And it's got to be authentic because how the fuck are you gonna, how the hell are you gonna conduct one hour, 30 minute to 90 minute conversations,

Starting point is 00:25:53 weekly for years if it's not something that actually drives you. It's impossible. You can't fake it for that. I mean, it's not gonna work. That's why you have to find something that works for you. One of the, you know, here's a category of podcasts that I see just so many people jumping in because I don't, I feel like they just don't know what they want to do. It's this whole like lifestyle optimizing your life and what does that mean? It's everything and we'll talk about everything and it's like, okay. Yeah, and comforts all of it. I feel like you just want to, like, okay, you think you're cool, you're super cool. And so you want to have a podcast, you think people listen to cause you're super cool,

Starting point is 00:26:27 but I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what I think about that. That's a difficult, that's a really difficult category of podcasting, I think. Yeah, I'm an understanding. I'm pro at, I mean, I'm all for it. I love the space growing, and I love more people trying and attempting, here's the thing that's cool

Starting point is 00:26:42 about it too, is that it's not a lot of risks to see. But I think what we see right now is a lot of people trying to do it and then realizing like either, or they'll change their brand or direction, they start out as something, they've subject matter wise and then it turns into, I think that the misstabson in is not responding based off of your feedback. People, a lot of of times don't want to be criticized and you know understand what the audience really wants from you Or what they're picking up on the most from the most value they're getting and so they just keep on in to do what they fucking want to do Whereas you know that I also think there's I also think the opposite can be a problem too though Where you you you bend it every you know that's

Starting point is 00:27:25 Every criticism and win absolutely, you know, absolutely. There has to be something I think I and I think with now I think that's more of an issue That I think that's more of an issue today is that oh it was hard you turn on it. Yeah, like you try it for three years You know for three years straight and then see how you feel and see where you're at with it You know most people don't't have the ability to grind away. It's not confident in your message. You know, if you're confident in your message, you get a fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:51 Do it. Well, all of new media is just so fascinating to me. You know, the direction it's going and how fast it's growing, it's very, very strange. It's a completely different. I mean, some of the old rules apply, but it's so different than in some ways to old Media, it's a very interesting. I mean anybody can enter it. All right, I'm not everybody but Compared to before compared to before anybody could enter it and that you know harder was to get on the radio before I know that was impossible. We would have you know, it's so weird

Starting point is 00:28:23 I mean how do you even identify with like radio DJs at all like nobody care at all like not at all no I was looking at like some pictures on Instagram with some old like I just listen to like KSJ O and you know like all these like radio stations like that was like I would always like pay attention to shows like Lamont to Nally like all these things like and it's like it's so weird now because it just seems like when you things. And it's like, it's so weird now, because it just seems like, when you listen to that kind of like dialogue, it's so,

Starting point is 00:28:50 well, many of them are, many of them also hold podcasts. They're now in Switch. Yeah, so most of your most popular DJs and stuff are radio DJs. I also have a podcast that they host, because if you got, if you don't have it,

Starting point is 00:29:02 they have translated that over. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're just smart, right now if I'm a radio DJ right now and I have a job that I get paid $175,000 a year to be a radio DJ. I love doing it But also the writing is on the wall that this shit's changed, but see I feel like yeah I mean so they just jumped over but like podcasting itself is totally different than radio No, they're not jumping over. They're doing it simultaneously. So they're trying out a whole message. A lot of them might have their own podcast. Yeah, it's a different show. So let's say you're a DJ at, you know, whatever station and

Starting point is 00:29:32 you're popular, but you see the writings on the wall. You're gonna start your own podcast. You're just gonna have them in the show. You'll run them at the same time. Really, it's really smart. It's just another, it's just another medium, right? Okay, so you're seeing athletes even starting to do this. So you have like a Dremon Green who has a podcast, right? Oh, really? Athletes really started to do this. Now, imagine you got two million followers plus

Starting point is 00:29:52 or I don't even know where Dremon is. And you're like, you've got millions, he's on national TV all the time. So he's got already a huge platform to the top of the funnel. And then you bring the people that are like super hardcore fans and want to know everything about him. So I don't know what that distills down to that's a very hard clue That's a rap that's a crazy network of people that you now have and that you can build a business off of that

Starting point is 00:30:13 And you see all of them. Sorry, do I remember my agent buddy when we interesting. Oh my buddy when you said your agent buddy agent Okay, agent buddy said your agent buddy. Yeah agent, okay, agent buddy. Is that your agent buddy? Yeah. Yeah. You're just starting, I don't just say all the white people. Yeah, I'm just gonna put that out there. Hey everybody.

Starting point is 00:30:33 Making sure everybody knew that. Yeah, I hang out with other people. My agent buddy over there. Okay, good. No, but when we first, when we first started hanging out, this was like, God, it was a good five years ago, a good five years, it could four or five years ago. Well, whenever it was, when I first started to do Instagram and Facebook or social media,

Starting point is 00:30:51 social media, right, you are used to utilize them, right? It was around before that. Yeah, yeah. But I didn't utilize it. You were paying attention to it as a business. Yeah, yeah. So when I started to do that, that's when he introduced me to Marquette King from the Raiders, total name drop stuff right now, right? That means I'm being to do that. That's when he introduced me to Marquette King from the Raiders, told name drop stuff right now, right?

Starting point is 00:31:08 That he means I'm being to do that. Yeah, we don't really do that, but go for it. Yeah, well we normally don't do that, right? So I feel okay about it, but he's introducing me to him because he wants me to show him what I'm starting to do and the importance of what I'm trying to do, like back then, and he's trying to convince these athletes that they need to be doing that right now because five six years ago you just weren't seeing that. I mean, they're sure there might have been a handful a couple here.

Starting point is 00:31:33 They're always looking at ways to help their, you know, client monetize. Well, that's, yeah, that his, the way his job is changing now. Like that's, that's more of what the agents doing now is finding other ways to, because what's his name did this really well the community the way yourself into a brand who's that the the the the he was in the news with them in the in jumanji with dwayne the rock what's his name the he can be in the small dude well this is part of why he does it very well where he can have a heart can't hear is the best of the yeah yeah absolutely you eliminate the middle

Starting point is 00:32:02 man you build up that audience you don't need a social media currency Well, you hold separate completely the warriors are an example of why they can build a team They are because everyone has a salary cap You can only spend so much money. Well, how do we attract all that well one of the ways is being in a big city with lots of Opportunities we're in the Silicon Valley so like that's why New York Miami, you know LA and like Silicon Valley are are desirable places for these athletes. They'll potentially take $20 million less on a contract because I'm in LA, Hollywood. I'm going to get connected.

Starting point is 00:32:32 You would do business. Of course. So you know there's back doors. You know there's back doors. I was like, we have Kevin Durant come over here and say, hey, come over here. But I'm also going to introduce you to these three VCs that are starting up, these are connected to these companies. You put a million of your dollars in that. That's happening. Yes. That's how that's what about so LeBron, you think he might go

Starting point is 00:32:52 LA? That's why people think it's a very desirable place for them. Yeah. Yeah. And they can take less money because you can backdoor do you think, but the agents job is money too, because you can feel the amount of that for the athletes too, dude, because you've got to cuz gotta think long term man like it's great to be the hero and I'm all pro and go I think it's not oh but now it takes less it takes less power from it takes the power away from the NBA I love that. Yes. Oh, yeah Yes, and and let's be I mean in athletes historically have been terrible I always want to retire. Yeah, they've been terrible with it terrible with it. You hear about a lot of them going bankrupt and stuff like that,

Starting point is 00:33:26 and it's because they didn't manage it well or they didn't get themselves set up or whatever. So I'm all for that. We pick on athletes, but I would argue almost anybody that has gone from a certain amount of money to the amount of money that they make, right? So whatever that ratio is,

Starting point is 00:33:40 like from an average income of less than six figures to all of a sudden making millions of dollars I don't care if you're an athlete or not I bet you you can look at that percentage of people that end up losing all of it It's probably so that's why we and we see that with the lottery see that in these things where people get a whole bunch of money I don't know where it's like it's almost You and nature to do it could be that it just came too fast. Yeah, you know, that could be part of it that it came too fast I do this lightning rod like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's funny You were talking about LA and how that's such a place for those connections stuff

Starting point is 00:34:08 You can feel that energy when you're there and I don't mean it in a positive sense I mean it in the sense that you can feel everybody's there to try there to try and get on your bandwagon Yeah, I leverage each other and what do you have for me? I've heard stories of like there's a guru for a guru for a guru Yeah, this whole train of like people that are falling you around and shit Guru train the guru Sounds like it's like Just a little more scrap brought water back. I mean almost

Starting point is 00:34:36 You know, it brought it back. You did I feel like it seems pretentious at times But then I'm also smart enough to know that it's such a big city that that could just be my experiences. Of course. That I've had and I could have taken a whole different path of experiences. Yeah, of course. Within this giant city. But there's definitely say, oh my god, it's the most real awesome experience in city that there may be. Yeah, you know, say absolutely.

Starting point is 00:34:58 Yeah, yeah. It's a different, it's a totally different vibe from where we're at. That's for sure. Yeah. It's, you know, it the Northern California is a completely different No, did you see that they wanted to the on the ballot? Oh, they were split up on the on the on the ballot They actually got this on the ballot so they got enough signatures to get this particular measure on the ballot

Starting point is 00:35:17 And it would divide California up into three Californias. Did you know this? Did you guys see this? Yeah? I saw so Northern California. I saw graphs. There's going to be Northern California, Southern California, and New California. So what's new? Yeah, what's new? I gotta look this up. Which one is new? Yeah. I gotta I gotta look this up because I feel like so good. Well, let's talk about this because they want to be new. Yeah, let me look at a three Californias. I'm gonna look this up. I feel like I could divide our state up if I had to. Okay. Yeah, let me look at a three California's I'm gonna look this I feel like I could divide our state up if I had to okay, okay, hold on Yeah, so I'm gonna show you a picture of it

Starting point is 00:35:49 I see what they're doing there. It's definitely Silicon Valley's like by itself You know, then you have like all southern and then kind of like central valley and then the top was like like Mendocino and San Francisco. I mean, I could try to do all the other is like its own Shastasgin kind of. Okay, so here's the pictures of them. So that's Northern California, right there, which it looks like, is like San Francisco, San Jose, the peninsula, whatever.

Starting point is 00:36:17 This is the new California. It's like on the coast, but in the middle, which I think, Justin, you may actually be driving into the new California. So you work in the Northern California, I think just then you may actually be driving into the new California So you work in the northern California I think you drive into us messed up bro You could live in two different states or you can live in and work in two different states if this passes like a toll if this passes Bullshit it probably fuck you so it has And then you got southern California with zoning issues, which is like obviously San Diego

Starting point is 00:36:41 But then also kind of that central like Deeper part of California that's not near the coast, you know what I mean? But it's so different, it is true though, we are very different, but. Why are they even bothering with this? Why? Because politicians, of course, think separate.

Starting point is 00:36:55 Separate divide. Yeah. I mean, look, there's definitely a different, there is. Well, I think there's also. We just all do something awesome together. I also think there's people in California that do not feel like they're being represented by

Starting point is 00:37:06 sure california politics like let's let's let's be real like california california has been a very very dominant liberal state for a long time for decades well you don't think of it as as like a farm you know i have a picture yeah there's parts of california that are very huge very different very, very conservative, very right? And so they don't feel like they're being represented. You have parts of California that have way a lot of money, like way a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:37:32 There's parts of California that they don't have that much money at all. Like you could, I could drive from- It's very diverse. Oh, it's very diverse, so I can understand that. That's what I like about it. Well, and well, no, what I was to say is sometimes splitting up means that you're Closer to your representatives and they they'll reflect the people That's why states exist to begin with that's why there's different states anyway or not why they exist

Starting point is 00:37:54 But why you know what's kind of good about them is they can they can reflect the people a little bit closer or whatever But I don't know I ideal way to do things in the first place? What? To have states? Oh, I think so. Why? I think it's brilliant that we have states. Absolutely. Brilliant.

Starting point is 00:38:09 Well, the representatives from each state that go in and then pass laws on our behalf. So I really appreciate that for sure. And it also, the way it allows you to. Listen, if there were no states, California, New York, and Texas would run the country. There's so many people in those, in so much money in those states that all the other states, nobody, they would have had a very good point. They would have had a very good point in itself right there.

Starting point is 00:38:33 That's a very good point. Yeah, like people in New Mexico, Mississippi, fucking, they wouldn't, they wouldn't matter. Yeah, they wouldn't have a voice. No, they wouldn't have a voice because, like, look at California bites, I think California alone alone if I'm not mistaken is like isn't it the sixth largest economy in the world Huh if California was a country it would be the sixth Biggest country in terms of economic output in the world is that true? Yeah, I believe so Doug thought and yeah

Starting point is 00:39:00 So that means it is I think it's actually the fifth fifth really the top 10 Yeah, let's see. I think it starts with well, let me do a little more research Yeah, you know what it is. We have shitty shitty internet here. Yeah, I was gonna sound help you guys out I've been phone lists. Oh, yeah, okay. Here it is this was on May 4th California has surpassed the United Kingdom. Oh, Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest economy. The UK actually had an economy bigger than California by itself. It's still recently.

Starting point is 00:39:33 California makes it. California. It's the tech industry. Well we had Hollywood, we had production, we had media, and then, fuck man, tech is just, I mean that's insane. Well that's why. That's insane amount of money. That's why I think all the tech giants are here.

Starting point is 00:39:49 Yes. That's why I think we'll end up. Not all of them but a lot of them. I think Amazon's a problem. I think we'll suppress LLA. What? As wealth and money and all that. We already have.

Starting point is 00:39:59 By a long. Oh, Norton, you mean Silicon Valley? Oh yeah, we for sure have. Yeah. We're the richest by, was a was a cent so terrible. We are Right You There's definitely some

Starting point is 00:40:22 Super There's definitely some Black true What how funny is that? We do it sports too. They remember someone called me out on the forum was I was going back and forth about something to do with The warriors, you know, and I and I talk about the words about like us. We did exactly the reason why we did this We didn't do shit. Yeah, no, you know what pisses me off It didn't call me what we fucking don't don't so hard what pisses me off is when people are proud of shit that they have no Yeah, like yeah, I can laugh at it like like okay like like my heritage is a tie-in I get all that but to say I'm like proud Of being a tie-in like I didn't do anything I don't do it the other boring. I was born into this. Yeah, I'm pretty good. Yeah. I'm proud of just you know chance

Starting point is 00:41:04 Just proud. Yeah I'm proud of the chance. Yeah, that's born into this. Yeah, I'm pretty good. I'm proud of just, you know, chance. Just proud. Yeah. I'm proud of the chance that happened. I had no choice. You know, hey, how is it with your phone, Justin? Oh, it's an interesting experience. Dude, the funniest fucking thing ever, right? So we're sitting on the couch and we're having conversation.

Starting point is 00:41:18 We're doing work. And then we took a break and we're all on our phones. And I'm like, oh, we're just a 3D magazine. I can't, I can't, I can't. I'm like, oh, Bridgestin's reading a magazine. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't,

Starting point is 00:41:31 I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't even want to be back in there. It's so boring. Wait till like the last minute, you know, you're like, okay, it's gonna Okay, and I go

Starting point is 00:41:50 You know, there's no like I don't want to spend any time there No, because there's nothing to do nothing. It's nothing to do. It's just this is weird Yeah, are you being bored again? Do are you reading the shampoo bottle in the bathroom like we did back in the day? We're only on is it been a full 24 hours. How many hours? Has it been? Because yesterday, since we dropped off the car, yeah, so it's been about 24 hours.

Starting point is 00:42:11 Bro, we're on our way up here. We're driving. We're already like 45 minutes into our drive. It's just like, fuck. Dude, because I left my phone. I left my photo in my car. Like, no, I don't, and I went through, I hear from your voice.

Starting point is 00:42:25 I was like, panic, like searching everywhere for it. And then I was just like, me, like, I said, well, what's the worst? You know, like, yeah, so it's my truck, but, you know, like, people can get ahold of me through sound at them or whatever, we're not to be that annoying guy that borrows the phone. You know, I'm gonna go through that part of it.

Starting point is 00:42:43 And then I'm like, oh my God, I'm not posting on Instagram. I have no stories coming up, you know, I'm gonna go through that part of it and then I'm like, oh my god I'm not posting on the Instagram. I have no stories coming up. You know, this is all content. We're here for content Like oh fuck you know, I'm gonna miss you out. Like you guys are making memes without me You know, I'm just like dying inside. You know, that's what bothered him more than that. That's the moment That's like one of his furthest that was I was so pissed. That was like so had so much fun with it was so man It was like disappointed. I would have been so much better Bro those guys please bro those memes are so money. I got to look at them again Those are the most money memes of all time

Starting point is 00:43:16 Just Adams was great. They didn't am I yeah, you're okay What was I don't know about the plunger though? That's hilarious. So Justin's had Han Solo a a flannel, a big block of cheese, and a plunger. That's so flingered. And it says on the justin'- Essentials. The Justin Andrews starter pack. So this all started because one of our listeners, who is it that did this for us?

Starting point is 00:43:39 We got to give him a shout out. One. He also did that mad mic pick. He did a Sal one first first and what was on mine? I forgot what mine was a wife beater. Sardines wife beater. Samba's and then the third rail the third rail and then Adams is accurate row games But wipes a whole bunch of shoes and we it took like three to get to that. That's perfect There was three iterations before that one came out. Yeah, well the first two were too nice to me. Yeah, ice cream and red velvet cake

Starting point is 00:44:07 You made our Because brother is scared to fucking joke with you You're too case through it. Yeah, you're not sure you can't hate it. It worked Dude on the forum today they were talking about that time you went out there to hammer that Bring that a lot of people don't a lot of people don't know about that time you went on there to hammer that Oh, God, bro. You're gonna bring that. A lot of people don't know about that for sure. A lot of people don't know that that happened, but that was hilarious. Sometimes Adam feels the need to lay the hammer down.

Starting point is 00:44:33 It's the one time you went off. Yeah. I was like, right in the middle of it. Yeah. You know what? I tell you what, I tell you what happened. I don't want, I don't think we'd have to do it today. But at the time when I did that,

Starting point is 00:44:45 and it was funny because I did do it before, Sal got to work. Yeah, because one of our four, we got to tell the listeners don't know what's going on. One of our four members actually went on, we were going to have a guest. It was Lane Norton. Oh, it was Lane. Yeah, it was Lane. And it was the first time we were going to meet with them, and you know, we disagreed on a few things, but we were, we were, we were, we were, we were, we were,

Starting point is 00:45:01 Well, here's, there's exchanges online. Here's why, here's why it pissed me off so much, okay? Because that was early on when Lane and I were starting to become friends. Like I was just starting to communicate with him back and forth, texts and like, I wouldn't consider us where we're at now, right? Where I think we've been hanging. Well, now we're actually boys, yeah. Right, right, we're cool.

Starting point is 00:45:18 At that time was right when the relationship was kind of, kind of building. Yeah. And, and you know me, I've never not said to Lane how I feel about Lane or any thoughts I have on anything he has to say, and I would never hide that. And so, it's came out on the show before where I disagree with something that he's doing or talk about him some way that I talk about him when he's here. Right, right, right. And this kid had felt the need to go and try and talk shit and start a fight between.

Starting point is 00:45:43 Yeah, he was messaging Lane's stuff. Like, oh, they're going to ambush you. Or they just want you on the show. He was scheduled. And this, at this time, I think we were actually paying for his flight from 4 to 12. So we're flying Lane in. We've already bought a flight for him to come in.

Starting point is 00:45:58 And he's coming in and stay. And so he's coming in to see us. This is the very first time we're going to hang out. And this kid's over there trying to sabotage it, thinking that, and I'm like, you fucking dumb shit. So the ones that provide a great interview. Yeah, so here's the one that's showing angry. So cock blocking this.

Starting point is 00:46:13 So the funny thing is, and this kid was in our forum. And so Adam and Justin are at work early. And you're pissed off and you're like, I'm gonna get on the forum, I'm fucking hammer on this kid right now. And you wanted to do it you're like, I'm gonna get on the forum, I'm fucking hammer on this kid right now. Yeah. And you wanted to do it. Wait till I get there. You wanted to do it before I got there, because you do it.

Starting point is 00:46:30 So I'm in my car and I'm watching the live video of you ripping into someone on the forum. And I'm looking at this video, driving and I'm like, stop, stop, don't do it, stop. And I'm driving there too late. And Justin was so, just so it was like, oh, we't do it, stop it, I'm driving there too late. And Justin was so, Justin was like, oh my god, we even got into it afterwards. We've got it afterwards. Yeah, because you're like, you should have done that. I'm like, fuck yeah, we should have done that.

Starting point is 00:46:52 And stay in. Stay in. Stay in. Here's the thing, what I was worth, I really was, I was concerned that I didn't want like this culture to be okay, that you could do that. And we have guests that we have on our show. And you're gonna go talk shit and cost.

Starting point is 00:47:06 That was a boundary that was crossed. And you need to be addressed. And you're in our private forum. Like I can't control the whole world. Well, we consider people. I can control someone who's in our private forum who's close to us and I've helped you out and I've done things for you.

Starting point is 00:47:17 Like I can at least ask for that respect. There's definitely people that need to be checked. Yeah, and the forum is like our, it's like our, it's the closest thing to us I would say it's and I believe I believe the kid got into the forum for free It was something that we allowed into someone who got free access to that too on top of that other people pay to be in there And you're doing that you could be putting it potentially ruining it for every relationship Yeah, that's not not cool. That was the point not cool

Starting point is 00:47:42 This is my sandbox you know, I'm saying like yeah get the fuck out my shampoes yeah it's right yeah here was one of those you know but I felt like I felt like it was received okay right don't you feel like I don't think so you know I there's there's you know there's three of us so if one of us goes off it's okay because there's always the other ones to kind of pull things back in right you know I mean? If we all did that, I was going to play out. That's why I didn't.

Starting point is 00:48:07 Oh, yeah, the ugly if all three of us. If all three of us. Yeah, absolutely. And we all have our own, we all have our own triggers, our own like point, not triggers, I should say, we all have our limits. And they're all a little bit different. Like there's certain things that are going to push us over the limit. And I think that's the important thing to say here, except like there's, and I think

Starting point is 00:48:22 that's what it means to stand for something. And I, in relationship, relationships, communication, radical honesty, all these things are very important values for me. Yep, yep, yep, yep. And you, you're jeopardizing that, or you're, you're fucking with my values and my integrity, my character and my business.

Starting point is 00:48:39 Many things you're fucking with. Well, I think the biggest, I'm gonna say something. I think the biggest problem, my character. Unintentionally or intentionally. Well, I have to recognize that and like put them into it. Here think the biggest I'm gonna say something I think the biggest problem I intentionally are intentionally well I have to recognize that and like put them into it here was the biggest problem the biggest problem wasn't that you know he's going on there saying do go in my pump and my pump says that that's not the problem it's that he's mischaracterizing yes us so badly because there is nothing that we like the if we say something on a show we know

Starting point is 00:49:04 it's a fucking public show it's not much hide anything i've said that on a show i have said many times that disagree with certain people's dances who i also consider friends and who i will say to their it is saying it to their face it's on a public podcast so by you messaging lane and saying you can ambush you like i said it on the fucking podcast we disagree disagree on artificial sweeteners, for example.

Starting point is 00:49:27 We think I, I, I, F, I, M can turn into a fucking eating disorder. I said all this and I say, you know, it's like the door out of me. I also recognize to the part on me, right? It obviously, it was a perfect storm for that kid because it's a tiny that it happened was where I was in, he doesn't know where I think you said on the video don't you poke the bear don't poke the bear I was like oh

Starting point is 00:49:52 my god there was a part in that video where you were going up by the way it's been it's we took it off the form sorry not so only the OG so I'm not going to repeat that one yeah there was just in the my favorite part of that video was watching Justin because there was a one part one part where you got unhinged and you can see Justin's like, oh fuck. Oh, what do I do now? I gotta pull it back in and you did he tried to pull it back. Hey guys, what we're trying to say is what Adam was trying to do here. We just want to recognize that we're wronged and that we didn't appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's like when you had a staff, you know, when you had a staff,

Starting point is 00:50:29 you had to go off on them, you know, every once in a while. I know that was. What is that about? It's human beings. What do you think that is? What do you mean? Do you think that's because it's human nature to want like to almost like conquer and submit and like it like that alpha alphan like i think no i think i think you have to you have to show that you're someone uh... not that not to be contending with your somebody that is you know you can't just be a jellyfish you know i mean and that's okay to show that you have to show that you have to show that you're

Starting point is 00:51:02 like look i'm gonna stand up for myself i'm gonna say what I believe know that I will defend myself and be assertive but also know that I'm a kind empathetic that's all the retriever shown his fangs again again I think it's different for every person and it goes based off of your values and what you see and of course you just that happened to be someone who touched on something you know that, that we have, we have not a lot of issues where somebody is, you know, attacked or dead something that could potentially harm the business or harm my character, you know, with a relationship. Or just this character as well. Yeah, with a, with a relationship that I evaluate, I could give two shits about someone I don't value, go talk shit, do that, so whatever that, but I value this relationship and you're trying to, you're trying to sabotage it, you know,

Starting point is 00:51:44 by causing shit, that's not, I'm not okay not a not a funny right right and at the same time to be in my private forum and be considered part of our network this isn't fucking Jerry Springer like yeah like it's a different show that might have worked for that environment but I want to have a people who don't even know who that is now every time if you don't know what that is. You're checking me on the one YouTube of the Gold Drive.

Starting point is 00:52:07 Doesn't he still have, does it still repeat on the show? He's like a mayor, does he? Doesn't he still repeat on TV? What a terrible, you know what, you know what, it makes me so sick about shows like that? It's not the show, it's the fact that there were enough people interested in watching that that it was a show. It's a reflection, the lowest common denominator.

Starting point is 00:52:23 It's a reflection. Everything just common denominator. It's a reflection. Everything just has its primal instinct to want to see shit happen. It's at some point, because you know, Jerry Springer show up when it first started was a talk show. And then it turned into like, How did it get so ridiculous?

Starting point is 00:52:35 Because it got ratings. Oh yeah. It was like giving the people what they want. It's like the ultimate example right there. Well, we seek conflict, right? The social media people. Yeah, we always seek conflict. You know what, it's so he's so right. People social media people. Yeah, we always seek conflict. You know what?

Starting point is 00:52:45 It's so he's so right. People blame social media and say, it's so stupid. Bullshit. Before social media, we had Moripovic and Jerry Springer. We had tabloids. New media is, it's still reflecting people. It's still reflecting people. People still interested.

Starting point is 00:53:01 And what you find that's disgusting in media, what you find so repulsive about media, the reason why you find it so repulsive and so uh... because you're switching you with the with the yeah it's within us it is it's a reflection of society that's all it's a different part of it yeah like we're you don't like to recognize it that you're attracted to it still yeah well even if it's not you like us is a as you miss us yeah us as a society yeah yeah yeah absolutely it's a reflection. It's still the majority. You're the minority for thinking that it's not.

Starting point is 00:53:28 God, at what point do you think, do you think we'll ever get to the point where we don't? No. No. That's the problem, bro. That's even my problem with when we talk, when we, when you get political and you talk about

Starting point is 00:53:39 free market is unfortunately, there is a more of a majority of people that need to and want to be led. Oh yeah. And be told what to do and to be separate. I just don't care. And to be put in boxes and to be cataclysm. I just don't think we should give people the power to force other people to do things. That's what I don't like because it's funny.

Starting point is 00:53:58 Human behavior is very interesting. You have individual behavior and then people start to act differently when there's a mob behind them or when they feel like it's interesting like like nobody would ever come up to you and say give me your money regardless of what the cause is like let's say I said give me your money so I could feed the poor and they hold a gun to your head like people would still consider that theft right like that no no you can't go steal that guy's money even if you want to feed people interesting or you want to build something right you can't you still can't do that you can't go steal money but's money even if you want to feed people interesting or you want to build up you can't you still can do that you can go steal money to give this to yeah you know or if you still can't do that regardless right is that what

Starting point is 00:54:32 is that what made the robin hood story so unique you know what robin what people got robin hood wrong robin hood what you robin who was stealing money from the government and giving it back to the people it was the government that was taken from the people he was taken it back from the from the government it wasn't the money from the rich giving the poor it was stealing from the government and giving it back to the people it was the government that was taken from the people he was taken back from the from the government it wasn't the money from the rich giving the poor it was stealing from the government giving it back to the people is what it was that true yeah

Starting point is 00:54:51 that's the old story that's the true all tax on the shit that's the old true story but i mean like i said like nobody would ever nobody would ever come up to you and and and tell you give me your money you know where i'm gonna shoot you regardless of the cause everybody would think that's theft, but if they do it like through proxy, all of us are voting that this is okay. Now I feel okay with the fact that I'm, it's kinda weird, right?

Starting point is 00:55:14 No, it's interesting. How, like, think about that. We're okay with it, because, you know, all my neighbors are cool. No, my belief. Peterson talks about the natural, the natural hierarchy, dude. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:24 Some were just meant to be there. Yeah, yeah No, I understand that's hard for a hard eyes than how do we create? There's nothing there's nothing wrong with that I just don't think we should allow structures to be put in place that allow People to tyrannize each other. That's all. I think there should be structures But I think the structure should exist solely to protect against that I think there should be structures, but I think the structure should exist solely to protect against that. You know what I'm saying? Like, look, here's the deal. Like, if enough people vote that everybody in the world should get a certain kind of haircut, or excuse me, everybody in this country should get a certain haircut, that could potentially fucking happen as crazy as that sounds. I feel like they've tried that. That's weird, right? That could potentially, so we should have things in, and we do, we have things in place to protect against that kind of stuff. That's why we had little stash.

Starting point is 00:56:07 You know North Korea has, they have like a fish, they have haircuts that are approved by the government and other haircuts that are illegal. What? Illegal haircuts? Oh, man. Oh, yeah, there's real rebel. There's state, there are state approved haircuts. I think they have like three or four haircuts to get a real man.

Starting point is 00:56:24 Definitely have a mohawk. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, you can can't if you get a mohawk that's a little bit of your done yeah yeah it's a little bit more how some of these trends start like over here is because it's so where it's represents rebellion somewhere else and so that's what that makes it so popular well because we're relatively free even in a free yeah we have nothing to rebel over so we have to find something right sure i'm gonna put a mohawk up yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah Oh, yeah, oh yeah, of course if you were expressing if you were expressing your if you were being rebellious in North Korea that maybe just that you

Starting point is 00:56:53 Say out loud that you disagree with the government that may be like a really big form of rebellion Yeah, in America that's not like oh, I don't like the president who gives a shit nobody cares There's fucking comedy shows about that. It's not that rebellious, you gotta do something else, that's really crazy. Yeah, well, they'd shot people for not crying hard enough. What, so I wear? Google it, yeah, and you're too good. For not crying hard.

Starting point is 00:57:14 Oh, when they died. Yeah, when King Jung is ill or, or, it's ill, right, the first one. Yeah, it was a dad. Yeah, so when he died, there was like a gathering and they were like monitoring everybody to see how hard they were like weeping. And, you know, you had to cry.

Starting point is 00:57:30 Yeah, you had to cry really hard or they'd take you aside. Could you imagine growing up, what a society like that? Imagine being born into a society like that. That has gotta be the most. I can't imagine. Same thing of all time where everything is controlled. What I'd be most curious about those, how insane does it even feel for them or does it feel insane at all?

Starting point is 00:57:48 They probably don't know like right any different. No, I think oh no, dude You know how much and psychological like? Training they have to go through when when North Koreans escape to like to try through China and then come to the US Yeah, it takes them years and they, many times they never really understand like what the fuck happened. Right, how could you let people in? Yeah, like it's weird, like imagine this, imagine your entire life, you're told what you should do,

Starting point is 00:58:12 how you should act, whatever, what you can say, what you can't say, and then all of a sudden everybody's like, yeah, do whatever you want. Like, what do you mean? Tell me what to do, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, do what you want. Like, I don't know what that means,

Starting point is 00:58:24 I don't know what I like. Yeah, they've never like practiced that's I don't know what I like I don't know what I want so please tell me you know what I mean? They could be a they could be a That could be a psychologically speaking that could be very difficult yeah for people to deal with kind of crazy Right no, it's very crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's also why I feel like again Why people some people want to be led, you know, that's why, like, let's some naturally were meant not to. And they were meant to. Oh, no, all of us follow. All of us want to follow and learn from, yeah, I get that.

Starting point is 00:58:50 That's not a problem. It's just the whole forcing. I really think if you want humans to evolve, you have to let them be free enough to express how they're gonna grow and learn, but limit them so that they don't hurt each other and steal from each other. And if you let that happen,

Starting point is 00:59:07 we tend to like evolve and figure shit out. We're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and we tend to make mistakes along the way, but we tend to figure shit out pretty well when you let us do that. Plus, it's morally speaking. It's like, how fucking arrogant is it to say that you know what's best for other people?

Starting point is 00:59:24 I don't know what's best for you. I can have my own opinions. I haven't always thought that. You know, I have my own opinions and stuff, but you could try this. That'll probably help your life out a little bit. Here's my opinion. Who the fuck am I, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:34 Like, like, here's a deal. Here's what works for me. Like, here's a deal. Let's take an easy example. Let's look at alcoholic. Let's look at an alcoholic. Now, from the outside, I could clearly be like, that's terrible for alcohol. Not the answer, but maybe it is the answer for that person.

Starting point is 00:59:45 Maybe they're in so much fucking pain that drinking alcohol is the answer for them and that's what's keeping them going. I mean, who knows, you know what I'm saying? We don't know, we don't have the answers for other people. I think people have to figure out for themselves. It's a very arrogant way of thinking. It's very controlled.

Starting point is 01:00:00 That's a crazy analogy to give, but I think it's a great way to have empathy. You sure? Yeah, I think it's a great way to have empathy. You sure? Yeah, I think it's a great way to teach yourself empathy for others like that, because we don't know, we never know the full story, you know?

Starting point is 01:00:10 No, no, no, no. And I think it's crazy how we don't understand that we own our bodies. That part's wild to me. Like imagine if somebody had a truck, they owned a truck, right? And then they were like, I'm gonna paint the truck purple,

Starting point is 01:00:23 and the government's like, no, you can't do that, we'll throw you in jail. We'd all be like, that's fucking crazy. Why would you throw that guy in jail for painting his own truck? But that same guy can be like, I wanna stay in my room,

Starting point is 01:00:34 I wanna be in my house, I'm not gonna go outside, I'm gonna be in my house, and I wanna take drugs for my body. I just wanna experiment with my body. No, no, no, we're gonna throw you in jail. And nobody, a lot of people think that's okay. That's weird.

Starting point is 01:00:47 Like, what do you own more than your body? You don't own anything more than that. You know what I mean? It's so controlling that we control people that way. Do you think it's controlling or do you think it was necessary for us to evolve as society? Otherwise, most people would self-destruct. No, no, no.

Starting point is 01:01:02 So it's their body. That's a point, like, I can think. Well So it's their body. So that's a point. Well, do you think a lot of it, though, comes from... It's up to you to self-destruct. The parenting mindset that never sort of... So if I'm trying to protect everybody, thinking from my kids, there's a certain age limit where I want to make sure that I instill everything I can

Starting point is 01:01:20 so they understand the consequences. I do this, then this happens. I do this, then this happens. I do this, then this happens. And then eventually, I mean, the more you can get comfortable with letting them figure that out themselves, obviously, the better it becomes. But I feel like a lot of people like they keep that mentality of like trying to make sure, like, you know, I want everybody to be safe and happy. I mean, it's just weird to me.

Starting point is 01:01:42 It's just very strange. Like, like, look at prostitution. I think it's so fucking weird that we can, we have thrown people in jail for doing something that people do all the time, that it's your body and people choose to do it. We don't make it illegal until you pay for it. You know what I mean? And I know why, it's because people don't want to see it,

Starting point is 01:02:02 or at least they don't want to acknowledge that people do it. But they do it anyway. It's just very controlling. We're very very controlling. Well, prostitution I think is different for me than drugs is because I feel like part of us putting the laws in place And I know most of them were bullshit. I know that's the The why they got there originally, but they could serve a purpose or if we were in a society Would would most of us self-destruct or would most of us end up getting addicted to all these things you have to ask yourself that is it better or worse for us. I mean, statistically speaking of very, very small percentage, look at you know how many

Starting point is 01:02:34 millions of Americans have used drugs have tried drugs. I'm not counting and I'm not even counting pharmaceutical drugs, which are also drugs by the way, right? People have used pharmaceutical drugs, still drugs, still still powerful in fact kill way more people than legal drugs But that's a different subject But how many Americans have tried cocaine marijuana psychedelics like you know

Starting point is 01:02:54 Methamphetamines like how a lot of Americans most Americans have tried one illegal drug and the vast majority of us Haven't self-destructed and turned into fucking addicts. There's a very small percentage of that is that motivation through fear or knowledge of them. No, I think we've tried it and people just have no knowledge of them. You think it's because of knowledge of them? I think becoming an addict isn't so much the substance as it is, the conditions that the person uses the substance.

Starting point is 01:03:20 Why would I disagree? I'm just challenging your thought process. Yeah. So here's a thing. Let me put it to you this way. Okay. If we want to really be in, but if we really, really think that it's bad for people to do lots of drugs, because then they're more likely to, you know, do terrible things more likely to be violent, more likely to steal and the last stuff. And yes, you can definitely make that argument 100%. And we all agree upon that. Why is the answer that we're gonna throw people in jail for it?

Starting point is 01:03:47 Why isn't the answer take that money? And yes, if they hurt someone on drugs, you throw them in jail. If they steal something while they're on drugs, you throw them in jail. If they do something to someone else or someone else's property, throw them in jail. But if they do nothing else, why don't we take that money instead of throwing them in jail, saying, here's some potential ways you can help yourself if you think you have a problem. Because the reality is you're not gonna be able to,

Starting point is 01:04:09 you can't help someone just wanna help themselves anyway. I mean, how many addicts do you know that you can throw all the fucking resources in the world, you can throw them in jail, you can do whatever you want, if they don't wanna change, they're not gonna change. I know, I agree. You know what I'm saying? So why not take those resources

Starting point is 01:04:23 if that's what we really believe in and say, okay, maybe instead of throwing you in jail, we're gonna offer you these resources to help yourself when you're ready. And by the way, while using these drugs, if you're hurting you, but then we're gonna put you in jail. I would just throw them in a box and expect that we really need to take a step back. It's a very interesting problem. It's a very strange. How weird is that that you can get thrown in a cage for doing something to yourself?

Starting point is 01:05:00 I think we're just watching that. We're watching it unfold. In our lifetime alone, let's be're just we're watching that. Yeah, we're watching it unfold. I mean, we look in our lifetime alone Let's changing. We're realizing that it was a grand experiment. Right. It was a grand it was a grand it was a trillion dollar experiment They destroyed a lot of communities a lot of people Well, I mean I hate to be the conspiracy guy always following the money But that's like where I always end up, you know, like, where are the motivations in this entire process? Like, you know, why did we build all these, like, we're so greedy, dude, we see if we didn't have money in all these, all the storm, that we still have that, that, that, that, that, that, that greed that money is just a tool.

Starting point is 01:05:37 Right, right. Money is just a thing right now, but power, like thousands and thousands of years before we have, like, humans are very, we're very interesting like that. Like would you be trying to steal others, you know, wives or partners, would you be doing, would you, would you, would you have that natural desire to do that, you think a lot of people would have that? I think, I think that's a natural, look at everybody thinks everybody else is greedy,

Starting point is 01:05:59 they never think that themselves are greedy. Like I'll tell you what, here's an example. That's naive. It's very naive, but that's a lot of people say, like, those greedy business people, those greedy, now there's some. Yeah, well, look at yourself. No, no, hold on a second.

Starting point is 01:06:10 Greed is a natural wanting for yourself is a very natural human emotion or human need or desire. We want for ourselves, that's how we survive, right? That's how we take care of ourselves. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that. What you wanna do is you want to encourage a system that where you want more for you, the only way you can get more for you

Starting point is 01:06:32 is if you do something for someone else. That's what you want to do with that. But you can't erase that part of us that wants for ourselves, you know what I mean? You can't erase that. So what you want to do is you want to create a system that prevents me from stealing and prevents me from beating the people up to do it. You just reward them for certain things.

Starting point is 01:06:50 Yeah, you want to be like, oh, you want lots of money? Fine. Here's a system that lets you get lots of money. So only way you get lots of money is everybody gives it to you. All that note, how do you know that's that we're trying to get to you fat, trying to help evolve their nation faster? Wow. Oh, there's there's there's that through that through the through the whole scoring system of that's not where China is trying to get to you fat, trying to help evolve their nation faster. Wow. Oh, there's, there's, there's, there's,

Starting point is 01:07:06 through that, through the, through the whole scoring system of how do you know there's not like a huge positive spin and they're trying to help force their entire country to move in a direction to evolve us to where we can do that. You gotta know that's gotta be the spin that they put in there. Well, look, here's the difference. I don't know what it's like to grow up in there. No, no, here's the difference.

Starting point is 01:07:23 The difference between what they're doing with with that Social media, you know program or whatever The screens can and the difference of between what we're using here. Yeah, but again, that's also the screaming control the control right away All that the power it's the power. It's the difference between always a skeptic. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's like put too much power in one direction Well, it's they can, yeah, they can still, and again, I agree with you guys, but I mean, thinking like that,

Starting point is 01:07:48 that's gotta be the reason why it works and why so, so many people still do it and get behind it. Yeah, it's always, it's always a bunch of, it's always people thinking they know better and they know the direction everybody should go and here's a deal. Sometimes, here's the kicker, okay. How do we, how do we know that their way

Starting point is 01:08:02 isn't better than our way? Oh, because I'll tell you why. 100%. This is 100% why. The goal, I think the goal of all societies is always to get is for everybody to work together. I don't think anybody can argue that humans aren't capable of incredibly amazing things when we all decide when we all work together, but the kicker is it has to be voluntary. It doesn't work when you force people. It's not the same. It's not the same at all. Take a group of people and force them to be creative versus a group of people coming together. Well, and out of their own violence. Is it really forcing you if you're just making it aware and revealing their

Starting point is 01:08:37 scores based off of the good deeds and the things that they do, are you really forcing them or you're just revealing to everybody else in the rest of this economy and world that they live in? Where they're at? It's like, oh, Justin has five stars. Well, because he's done this, this, this, and all these good things, it's credit's good, he's shook the people, he does all these things. Therefore, but here's again, like your concern, you know, with the free market and all that, what my concern is that there's always going to be somebody within that fabric that's

Starting point is 01:09:04 going to be able to hack in and manipulate things which is that you're gonna like take it out of your head. Well, no, they don't have to hack in, they don't have to hack in, it's the owners of that program and they've created a monopoly for it. So in other words, let's say you're in China right now, you live in China and you've got this system now that the government now has put place forth. Well, yeah, you design- And you design-

Starting point is 01:09:22 You like, you know what? I like that system. It's kind of cool. But I want to make a system that I think is gonna be better. you designed that built it. You like, you know what? I like that system. It's kind of cool. It's cool. But I want to make a system that I think is going to be better. You can't. It's illegal. You can't put out a system on their competition.

Starting point is 01:09:31 No, they monopolize. It's control. And that's the problem. We have the same. That's what it is. There's no, there's no. That's not some balance. The difference is here, we have that too.

Starting point is 01:09:39 We have Facebook and Instagram and we have Twitter and we have TV and radio and podcast. We have all that shit here too, but it's not illegal to create something that may work better. You see what I'm saying? Over there, it's like, it's a monopoly. It's a state-sponsored monopoly. And, of course, the people sponsoring it have the power to, let me put it this way, if that system lets it win.

Starting point is 01:10:01 Let's say that system explodes and does very well for them and everybody buys in and of course, because it's forced, there's no competition. But let's say they do do a good job and they figure it out. What's to say that they're not gonna be like, okay, let's take all the people with a score less than a hundred. Let's just go round them up and throw them in there.

Starting point is 01:10:18 Oh no, I already see all the, where it could be bad, but that's again us looking at it from that perspective. What if you looked at it from the other perspective of what could all the, like, where it could be bad, but that's again us looking at it from that perspective. What if you looked at it from the other perspective of what could all the positive things? Imagine how easy you could bring everybody up. If everybody, like, could actually see all that stuff, you would naturally migrate to people with higher scores,

Starting point is 01:10:37 especially if the scoring was based off of good things, being a good person in society. That already happens. That already happens. It kind of does, but this is just exposing it on another line. It's not exposing it. It's monopolizing it Well, I agree because disagreeing because think about this our perspective in the way we look at it Yeah, but think about it this way when you meet someone. I know it challenges your your your 100% your belief Yeah, liberty and free mark. I mean, it's everything against that. No, no, no

Starting point is 01:10:59 Let me put it this way when you meet someone. It's very natural for you to To score them yourself. There's many things, what my friends said about that person, how that person's carrying themselves, maybe the car they drive, the way they walk, the way they present themselves, how they dress. Maybe I can look up their credit score. You're allowing somebody else to create that for you.

Starting point is 01:11:18 That's right, and it's monopolized. And the argument could be, a majority of people don't do a good enough job that. Now you are a different person You're a really intelligent person. You have the you have empathy. You have experience. You're knowledgeable. You're well read You have the ability to decipher all that information when you're processing. Okay, meaning this who are these who are these all knowing and Jealousy is not some people not necessarily all knowing, but maybe they're they're they're in a better position to help guide them. Go find them for me.

Starting point is 01:11:46 Think about this way. I agree. Find me to challenge you. The very people that seek that kind of power, or the very people you don't want to have. I know. That kind of power. Go find me these altruistic angelic, all-knowing fucking leaders that can decide these things for us.

Starting point is 01:12:02 It doesn't work that way. Nobody has that knowledge, that information, nobody, no one, no group of people can do that. The best chance we have is to let everybody, and I mean everybody, I mean everybody, decide that through his system. You can't just say the smartest people because a lot of times they lack the most empathy.

Starting point is 01:12:20 Oh my God, some of the most evil motherfuckers in the world were super intelligent, super smart, smart, smart people. That's like the argument a lot of times. I just got to the smartest people in the world that have them some of our Prouds. No dude. No, you know the you know you know the Progressivism the now modern progressiveism is different, but it started Long time ago with very with intellectuals and intellectuals thinking that they could shape society. And they came up with cleansing society of getting rid of, you know, races that were not eugenics, killing off these races.

Starting point is 01:12:53 They're not as smart as us. And oh, dumb people are gonna be, we're gonna kill them over here to ensure the, because they were trying to sculpt and shape society. It's all about control, man. And when people need to realize is stop trying to control people, people live just protect yourself from you know

Starting point is 01:13:08 protect you know make sure that nobody hurts each other whatever I understand that part and that's the only way that that things progress you can't control everybody doesn't work that way well it doesn't work I mean think about some of the very first laws what were like the first like as far as like a society right what was some of the first rules were just societal pressures, I think. They weren't necessarily laws in the sense that they were just, like think about it this way. Don't murder me.

Starting point is 01:13:31 Yeah, like, like, like, I don't think it had to be a law that, you know, you're living in a tribe and, oh, that guy's killing people, we're all gonna kill him. Yeah, we're all gonna kill him. As he's dating rid of that guy. Or, oh, you're lazy? Well, because you're lazy, you're not gonna eat,

Starting point is 01:13:43 you gotta go get your own food or whatever. It was easier, I think, to manage. but a lot of the original laws were based around things that are older than us, older than societies that help us form these societies that kind of function, you know, well together. That's what I think. But it is interesting, though, that control that we want over other people and feeling like we know what's better for everybody. We just don't know what's better for everybody. We just don't. You just don't know what's better for people. I think we're all susceptible to that feeling though. Like when you get a certain amount of knowledge and you're like, oh, well, I could do it so much better this way.

Starting point is 01:14:14 They should raise their kids like this. Yeah. They should say these things. And these are things people should learn. And, no, man, it doesn't really, I don't know. It kind of doesn't work that way, you know? I mean, look at education, I think, when we plug that into education,

Starting point is 01:14:27 we create a bunch of robots. You know what I mean? Rather than teaching kids what to think, like teach them how to think, or how to think. Yeah, and give them kind of like, you know, tools to expand their own knowledge by what they're interested in and kind of watch what happens.

Starting point is 01:14:42 You get a lot of innovation that way. That's why you're seeing an explosion of non-prenourship right now. 100% technology's creating that. 100% I agree, though. You know, it's been a long time since entrepreneurship was cool. It really has.

Starting point is 01:14:55 It's been, I mean, it's always been kind of cool, but it's losing, it's cool for me. Right, when everybody else is thinking it's cool, I think it's losing, it's cool for me. We gotta call it something else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, why don't we get to call it? I don't know. I think it's losing, it's cool. We got to call it something else. Yeah Yeah, why don't we get to call it? I don't know

Starting point is 01:15:07 I think it's losing. It's cool to me because I think that people think it's way easier than what it really is Entrepreneurship. Yeah, I think the perception of it has changed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think a lot of people um Because you I mean what what defines entrepreneurship right going into Going into work for yourself is not nine to five really. Right. It's working for you, basically, right? Not working for anyone else. Right.

Starting point is 01:15:32 So I have to say, that's a very wide spectrum. Yeah. Very, very, like, we need to separate that. There are different ways. I've got to be lumped in with like, you know, pictures and that's it. Well, but I make money, well, it's true. It's an entrepreneur. Loan officers and real estate agents

Starting point is 01:15:47 are kind of like entrepreneurs. I mean, there's a little bit of a structure but they're kind of building their own business too. So there's different levels. Sure. Then you got people who open up a business. That's a different level of it. I just feel like it's getting bastardized right now.

Starting point is 01:15:57 Yeah. That's how I feel. Whatever, I don't care. Well, I don't care. Yeah, it's less cool to me. Yeah, it's less cool. Yeah, it was how it like. It's just what happens. It's like not cool anymore. Yeah, it's like a term or something like your

Starting point is 01:16:08 Maybe we get saying like Well, getting jiggy with it like you know, you catch your parents saying that you're like what the fuck Bro, that's us now by the way. I know we're all saying this stupid shit That's I know I've catch my referencing sitcoms 30 years old. You guys remember else? No, I think no. Entrepreneurship is cool and I like that

Starting point is 01:16:29 because it's allowing people to go in and create and express themselves. I like that, but you're also a lot of people are gonna learn that. It's not for everybody, that's for sure. I think it's not for most people. Let's be honest. Entrepreneurship is not for most people. Although, you know, because it's not for most people. Let's be honest. Entrepreneurship is not for most people.

Starting point is 01:16:46 Although, you know, because it's easier to become an entrepreneur, it might be, it might be, I mean, entrepreneurship might be for more people today than it was before though. Think about that. Like 20 years ago, if you want to start a business, you need to be able to gain capital, save up, risk it on a business.

Starting point is 01:17:05 So there was a smaller pool of people willing to do that. Today, it doesn't necessarily mean that. You can start a business with way less capital and way less opportunity, you know, chance or risk. There you go, he's called risk takers. Yeah, it's no different. It's allowed you to be very degreeed of it. I mean, I was telling you guys this,

Starting point is 01:17:22 a lot of people, you'll see that, what are we seeing in pocket, let's talk about our spaces, that's what we know more about right now and anything, right? Like our space, you're gonna see a lot of people that will come in and they'll reach kind of, they're sealing potential, they'll get, and that's because what's cool though,

Starting point is 01:17:35 is they can do that really fast today, then that faster than what they could have done a whole time ago. Like you have to get a, before are you to do a brick and mortar and build a business around that, you know how long it takes before so many people pass by your building or so many magazines or newspapers or radio I was talking to my buddy who owns a gym and I was trying to explain this to him

Starting point is 01:17:51 And I'm like listen man because look we all I came up in the state in the gym business It's like you guys did but it's so different. I was trying to explain him. I'm like look man You own a gym. Let's say first of all you got a fucking bus your you're here and look you got a bushy ass no matter what But you got to be here bus you ask differently when you got a fucking bus, you're here, and look, you got a bus you asked no matter what, but you got to be here, bus you're asked differently when you own a brick and mortar business like a gym, and you're limited to how many people you can reach because there's a certain perimeter of, you know,

Starting point is 01:18:15 how many miles around you that people will come actually work out at your gym. You're not going to get people from across the country buying a membership at your gym because they can't access your gym, so you're limited in that respect. But let's say you do succeed and you do well and you want to open another gym. Well, now you got a risk of another half a million dollars in another business. And then you got to do that all over again and now you've lost. And you have to duplicate the same environment that you created to make that one successful. Yeah, and it's a whole other

Starting point is 01:18:41 monsters. Layers of the onion. Yeah, you just you just accomplished like a center and I was trying to tell him like how hard it is to scale that versus an online business where Scaling it is way easier. Oh, you know, I mean like you could create an informational product that people really value build some authority I think it's and then just duplicate it. I think it's equally as hard. I don't know man Going through this funnel process dude. This is so complex. Yeah It is but to scale it people don't understand like the behind the curtain What's your definition of scale? It's not easy at all. What's your definition of scaling? Well, let me put it this way Let's say it's not easy to scale. Well, hold on. Let's say you want to sell a hundred dollar a hundred dollar membership, right a hundred dollar, and you had a gym,

Starting point is 01:19:26 and you want to reach 10,000 people. That's fucking gonna be very, very hard. To reach 10,000 people, and then that's the one to reach a million people, 10 million people. Online, scaling that can happen a lot faster and it's a lot easier. In the brick and mortar, it's gonna be like ridiculous amounts of capital having to dump in and

Starting point is 01:19:45 Tied up into you know like restaurants or gyms or businesses like look at like look how much money We have invested to reach as many people as as I think I think how hard would that be in a brick and mortar Right, but there's also a lot of just different years different don't understand yes that are monumental barriers Right until you reach that freedom. Yes. That are monumental barriers until you reach that freedom. Yes. I think it's just as hard. It's different. It's just a total different way more upside. You know, like it with online. Way more upside because of the access to more people and just the whatever product or whatever, you know, message your putting out. Also way more risk for it to come crashing all the way down. True. I mean, I have you look examples of like shreds. It's a house of cards. Look how down. Right. whatever product or whatever you know message your problem also way more risk for to come crashing all the way down

Starting point is 01:20:25 i mean i have you look examples of like trest it's a house of carl lookout down right and i mean it's you you you see rise and fall so fast so that's right i don't know if it's such a better time or it's it's so much easier i don't think it's any of those things what difference i think it's easier to respect but you're right is very i don't think it's easier well let think it's easier in a lot of respects, but you're right. It is very good. I don't think it's easier. Well, there's barriers lower, much

Starting point is 01:20:47 lower. The money barrier is much lower. Yeah, but with that, okay, because of that, now means the competition doubles and triples, which means it's even more competitive, which means it's even harder to stand out. So for everything that you say is positive, there's a bad side to that. Yeah, that's the window there. So it's not dreaming. It's not really as easy as everybody thinks. I hear you're saying, no, I'm thinking of specifics. You're right, generally speaking, yeah, no, it's not easier. No. But in some respects, it is in the sense that like the barriers alone were, you know, the

Starting point is 01:21:16 barrier to open a brick and mortar is capital. Lots of capital. Right. But because of that, now that I have, now I have fucking five Joe Smose, I have no business even being in myose, I have no business even being in my business, I'm opening right next door to me and using gimmicks and doing things to get attention that I got to deal with as a business owner now. So it's the monster is the same dude.

Starting point is 01:21:34 It's the same monster. It's still very, it's still difficult for sure. What's different now, I feel like, is that the things, the core things that are so important to be building and scaling a very successful business tends to get lost in all this minutiae, right? All this shit that we have with people with social media and post and pictures and pretending to be more successful than what they really are.

Starting point is 01:21:56 At the end of the day, the basics are the same. The rules are the same. You gotta provide some shit with value. You gotta be able to produce it efficiently so that you can sell it at a profit. And you need to be able to build a team that can scale and work under what you do. Kind of have an incredible product. Yeah, and I mean, Kind of an incredible product,

Starting point is 01:22:11 and I don't care if it's an old new, that's the bottom line. You can't, because we do see people who reach a lot of people through new media that don't have a business. No, they don't have a business. Every time I talk to a young person that's getting in this space, they always want to ask me questions around like the algorithms to YouTube and the Facebook and Instagram I hack my way to the top right you can't you don't want to that's my argument Yes, you don't want to hack your way to the top you don't want to receive a million people following you for some weird ass reason That you don't want to keep up for the next 30 years of your life

Starting point is 01:22:43 No, if you're listening right now fucking think about that for a second You don't want to hack the system unless you 30 years of your life. No, if you're listening right now, fucking think about that for a second. You don't want to hack the system unless you want to come in and out just as quickly as you can. Right, yeah. Plus, it would be short live. Plus, the thing that trips me out is how people, they want that attention so bad. And it's like fame without,

Starting point is 01:22:58 that's why it's really deceiving. It's really deceiving because it's also fucking with your ego at the same time too. Because now all these people are comparing, and that's why you see everyone. I got a million followers on it. Like you want that much attention on you for what? Yeah, what are you doing? You've done nothing with it. Why do you want that? Or you make, you know, six figures.

Starting point is 01:23:15 You've got 10 million people watching you for six figures. Yeah. Like why? Why would you want that? It's a total ego game the entire time. Look at all these people liking it. Well, yeah, and I think it's a little bit of BSB in naive too. I think at that point a lot of people that are reaching that maybe they haven't put the hard work in. They haven't failed that enough businesses.

Starting point is 01:23:32 They haven't built something up the hard way. They haven't gone and done the long work first before they can get that success, long term success. That's what it's got. Actually, I mean, it is true. It's like one of the worst things you could possibly get is what you think you want and realize you don't want that that's not what it was.

Starting point is 01:23:47 Like, you could chase success and maybe through some fluke look, get it because you did some viral video, whatever. It is not the same as like learning the process the entire time, struggling, failing and succeeding and failing and succeeding. Like that may actually be your worst nightmare. It is, it 100% is. I've always said that about our business.

Starting point is 01:24:07 I don't want us to get a fuck, I don't want to go viral. I don't want to all send a million people a flood and that way we're learning all these other processes that we have to get in place and look where we're at right now and what we're doing today. It's just another example of so important to have all that. This actually echoes and I always bring music as an analogy,

Starting point is 01:24:24 but it echoes really, really good musicians who put in an insane amount of time to... You still want us to be a rock band? Yeah, that's not bad. You want us to be a rock band, so I can't sing, bro. I hate it. You picked the wrong guy. Yeah, no.

Starting point is 01:24:40 The least fucking musical. It's just so ironic to me that this is like exactly what I was bro. I was going for right. This is something there's like a dream of mine, but it looks so different now that I'm, you know, doing it this way. Yeah. Does that make sense? Like I have this vision of like, I don't know, I get in this flow state,

Starting point is 01:25:01 you're playing music, everything's awesome and you're just in the moment, but I can recreate that by just, you know, podcasting and the... Meaning cool people and all that same thing, but it's just, it's just weird to me that didn't take off. I will say this, like, creating a business where we can literally express ourselves and do it in a way that where we feel like there's a real meaning and purpose behind it. Like we really want to help people. We really want to help bring the right kind of information. We really want to train people like we did for years as personal trainers, but be able to reach a lot of people and help shift, you know, the

Starting point is 01:25:40 way people think. And that we've actually created a business around that is a real amazing blessing. And I swear to God, man, especially days like this, and that we've actually created a business around that is a real amazing blessing. And I swear to God, man, especially days like this, like we're literally sitting on a balcony. I think we're lucky. I think we're lucky because timing and business means everything. And we are coming, we're authentic people coming into a space that is not authentic at all at the right time. I don't think you're lucky at all.

Starting point is 01:26:01 I feel lucky, but I also feel like, I feel like it's a responsibility that we've That we've taken on yeah, you know and I only mean that being that that we all had different pass it let us hear no No, no, no, right they took that for the formula to work But our timing is fortunate because let's put this way if all that fast forward in 10 years This will be in my opinion The market will be hard to break through the space the space will will demand this will demand that people like I want to be No matter what brand I'm dealing with we give it this way. We tried going the app direction. We tried the gym business We tried personal training. We tried you know car washing. We tried fuck, we tried a lot of fucking shit.

Starting point is 01:26:47 This is the one. It's not luck. Yeah, I know Adam, fuck you, man. No, I know what you're saying. You're saying the timing is, it's a big one. And it's perfect for us where we're at also in our own personal journey. So I've had our collective journey together

Starting point is 01:27:04 I think is important. Oh, it couldn't have happened at a better time. Yeah, yeah, I definitely am not discrediting it. Press you. We all put plenty of work in. I am so, I am so, so thankful that I did not meet you guys when we were in our friends. No, really, right. In our 20s, it is totally different.

Starting point is 01:27:16 I think if we met in our 20s that this would have never, it would have never worked out the way, the way it has. No way. Yeah, it would have been a lot of ego, a lot of fucking, you know, it might have been fun for a second, but I'm out of here. Yeah, I don't know if it would have been like it is now. So, I love that the hardest part of our job

Starting point is 01:27:35 is making sure that we get our episodes up. And so we actually have to podcast on a beach sometimes. I hope it's like that. In 10 years now. Whoops. Yeah, I hope it's like that in 10's like that. It's like that. It's like that. No, really cool, man.

Starting point is 01:27:47 It was really nice going out there today. And so, you know, what we like to do, some, what we, and this is something I really appreciate, by the way, guys, I want to say this, I really, really appreciate this, that we value this process so much, that we actually schedule time to go away in order to work, but really it's not just to work, it's also to foster this creative energy, because we value it so much and we see how important it is

Starting point is 01:28:12 for what we do. And like a piece of that was like, a few hours ago, we were out on the beach sitting down and we always talk about business, it's always about the business. We almost don't talk about anything else, because we're so passionate about it. But it's just being able to be on the beach

Starting point is 01:28:26 and being in that environment, be outside of the studio, outside of work. And we come up with our best ideas. And every time we do something like this, I really feel driven in a different way. Well, it sounds woo, it sounds woo to say, it keeps us grounded, but it really does. Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 01:28:42 Yeah, for sure. Because easily your ego can take off with something like this. Something as big as what's happening. You know, for sure, I can. And I think allowing us to disconnect from, that's why I kept asking Justin, like, where you're at with your phone right now, because I remember when my phone broke in Seattle.

Starting point is 01:28:57 And it tripped me out. I spent the first day every five minutes like trying to fix it. Yeah. Literally, you can't even fix it. Because I had it. Well, you know, you don't have it. Like, you went crazy and tried to find it. Yeah, I really you can't because I had it. You don't have it. Like you went crazy and tried to find it for about 10 minutes

Starting point is 01:29:09 and realize you don't have it. The worst. Imagine having it and thinking I might be able to fix this thing. Like I was fucking with it for a whole day and then I just accepted it. I accepted it. I'm not going to have it. Then it took another 24 hours of being disconnected.

Starting point is 01:29:20 Then it was the 48 hour where I was like, this feels really nice. Yeah. So the best is yet to come, bro. Oh, no. Yeah, the best is yet to come. I think I would fare much worse than you guys without my phone. I have. You guys have made me well.

Starting point is 01:29:35 I brought my laptop, too, is like sort of, you know, that was like one last electronic outlet or like, you know, I could tap into that. And then that just died. Listen, I tell you what, I tell you what, I could tap into that and then that just died Listen, I tell you what I tell you what I think We should schedule a time where we go off and we literally and I know you're gonna say no Adam We go camp where we have no electronics, but Because we are He wants to go yeah, he's like we can stay in a hotel. No, no, no I want to go, yeah. He's like, we can go stay in a hotel. No, no, no. I want to go.

Starting point is 01:30:05 You know someone sent me that, someone sent me a meme the other day, and they sent me this meme of like, it was a camping reference or whatever. About how you would camp? Yeah, it was like a five star hotel and like room service. So I think we should go out into nature

Starting point is 01:30:19 for a few days, disconnect from everything, be lost. And I think we'll come back with some of the best fucking creative information that we've come up with. You know me, I'm not your boy. But hold on, here's a deal now. I know Adam hates that. He does not want to go to nature. He doesn't want to rough it.

Starting point is 01:30:33 I get that. I don't like it either so I can relate. I grew up in it. But you're also a fucking, you're also a fucking team player, bro. So what we're going to do is we're going to vote. We're going to vote. We're also a team player. Raise your hand if you think that's a, Raise your hand if you think that's it.

Starting point is 01:30:46 Raise your hand if you think that's a good idea. Oh! Looks like that's what we're doing at him. Yeah! Fuck you. Go team. No, I just don't want to turn it to the on it crew. We go get do Ioska.

Starting point is 01:30:57 Fuckin' it. No, we're not going to do that. Let them do that. There's plenty of people that are into all that show team bonding. And they want to talk about that every Fuck thing and getting closer to becoming like God like that aim. I think you know, say like We're just about camp but I definitely see lots of value and us going out to the beach and they we got that's how he starts Pro he starts you there and these are slide you into somebody else come

Starting point is 01:31:21 Warden you just I've never even done I was I've never even done I wasca. I've never even done that. I've never even done that. So funny. We are. 100% we're going to do something like that. Because I'm super game for that. And I think it's good in general.

Starting point is 01:31:36 Katrina and I have talked about that. We're unplugging, leaving everything just for two or three days. And go be with each other and go camping or go out on the beach. And to me, it doesn't have to be roughing it like fucking crazy. Stop trying to close us. Yeah. I mean, we can just turn everything off. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:51 But you know what else? That's how I'm gonna be. I knew that was his angle. It does it get much more peaceful than what we're sitting at right now. Yeah, well, it does though. It does. It does. Really?

Starting point is 01:32:02 Yeah, yeah. If all of us were going to go to Alaska. If we were in nature and there was nothing Not even this podcast and it was just us Well, you know, that's a little bit different. Yeah, yeah, that'd be good. I like this better though My life is nice. Yeah, I a good conversation nice breeze on me sons blame it on me I can hear the waves crashing right you're not gonna be it Except if I had a Moscow Mule, I think that's where I did you bring stuff for drinks at all this

Starting point is 01:32:25 True, no man. No, we gotta go get a sober trip. This was sober sober. So British why did I don't have a phone? It's so funny how we don't you know consider weed It's sober Exactly I don't know about you guys, but I'm hungry. Yeah, I'm too. Let's grab some food. I'm down Hey, look check this out. You can find us on Instagram. I'm mine pump South. We have mine pump Adam mine pump Justin also we have free Resources and that crazy. I can just turn it on like that. I just turn it on your professional. God damn it Free resources

Starting point is 01:32:56 You didn't think that episode was enough of joking yourself You did it to do some more Like two hours of just that. At least one of us do. I was like, you have to people already two days. That's such a fine profession. Do it just to kill and kill. Take it away, just to see what I'm working on. I find the freak guys.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 795: The Beach Broadcast

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