Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 796: Best Way to Track BMR, the Value of Walking After Eating, Mind Pump Mistakes & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this sexy episode of my... Curvacious. Pump! The first 50 minutes is our introductory conversation. We talk about an evil genius show on Netflix.

Starting point is 00:00:24 I haven't seen it yet. Adam says it's awesome. Got to watch some crazy ladies. Twisted. I talked about neurons to Nirvana on Amazon Prime. That's a great one. Talks about psychedelics and their effects on the brain. We did a little Father's Day recap.

Starting point is 00:00:38 We all had a good time. Yeah. Shout out to the Father's out there. Justin talked about his dad date. We're gonna date with another man. We're gonna go bike riding. We mentioned all the stress Adam has at family events. It sounds so good.

Starting point is 00:00:53 We're talking about former Fitbit employees being indicted. I think they were job-owned employees. And then they worked at Fitbit. That's exactly what I was talking about. He said that, no, Justin said that the right way. Doug run it wrong. Doug run it wrong. that also forgot to mention us talking about hustle con that's coming up Oh, yeah this Friday Hustle on the 22nd you can we actually have a coupon code specifically for mind pump listeners

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Starting point is 00:02:17 walking after eating because we always talk about being in a parasympathetic state to digest, but doesn't walk. Put you in a sympathetic state. Get a walk the fuck out of it. Yeah, don't walk like a maniac. The next question is, what is something that we've said on the podcast before that we have since learned is incorrect? Took us 45 minutes to get through this question because there was so much shit. Adam said a lot of bad stuff wrong.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Dear Lord. Most of the time. The next question was the final question, as the masculine men that we are, God, we're so manly. Is that what they think? That's great. So much testosterone.

Starting point is 00:02:54 How would we approach trying to raise an LGBT son or daughter? We actually talk about making out with each other in this portion. For the end, it's a podcast. You can't see what we do. It was like a surprise ending. But we tested it out. Also, this month, all months long, half off.

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Starting point is 00:05:38 You are all winners. Send the name I just read to itons at mindpumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Hey, is hustle clums this Friday? This Friday or Saturday, Doug? I messed up last time. What was it? I think it's Friday the 22nd.

Starting point is 00:05:53 Let me double check on that. Okay, so it's coming up now. Yeah, it sucks because we're not gonna be here. I know, we won't. We won't, but Taylor and Eli will be there. They're gonna be going. Yeah, are we coming back Friday? We fly back in Friday afternoon, I believe. Yeah, okay. Yeah, we will be there. They're gonna be going. Yeah, are we coming back Friday? We fly back in Friday afternoon, I believe.

Starting point is 00:06:06 Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're only there. We take off Wednesday. Wednesday, Tuesday. Do you know anybody that's been to a hustle con? Yeah, Taylor's been already. He already went. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:16 What does he think? He says it's awesome. So it's just pure entrepreneur. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have a, I think there's like 12 speakers that come up and they do little half hour talks, and they come up and kind of tell their start, a lot of them are either start-ups or companies

Starting point is 00:06:32 that have been established for less than 10 years that are very successful. Most of them all are in the multi-million dollar companies. This is given their story of how they came into their. Yeah, but I think they're specific topics. Yeah, they curated a little bit more, like say, for example, like somebody like, you know, that's done a really good job with like email marketing. So and that was like a lot of their success, like maybe that's where 80% of their revenues

Starting point is 00:06:55 coming from there. So they talk around that topic since that's kind of their expertise or say like someone like us, even though we're not quite on that level where we'd speak at that, we'd probably speak to podcasting, right? Although we have multiple streams of revenue coming in. This is probably what we would consider our expertise or is becoming our expertise in fitness podcasting, right? So I think that's what they just pick all these great companies that are really successful

Starting point is 00:07:21 and then they pick apart like what areas that they do really well. So it's supposed to be really good So I wish we were going I would the big thing the big reason why I would go is to meet all the people that go Yeah, that too so you got a bunch of serial entrepreneurs that are probably out in the audience You get a lot of very serious. Yeah, it's a great place to network and no I 100% I'm all for stuff like that So have you guys implemented the high-dose turmeric yet? Have I sold it to you enough? Oh, you haven't done it yet. You guys got it. You got to try not to interrupt your commercial right now, but check this out. So you know how I talked about you know how I was talking about the

Starting point is 00:07:58 Everett fucking up my blender with the turmeric. Because it turns gold with the truth. Yeah, out of your dreams. Do you not have to fix that? Tons of people. Tons of no. No, not bleach. Not bleach in your blender. No, you don't drink it. No, so tons of people. Apple cider vinegar. Apple cider vinegar.

Starting point is 00:08:14 No, no, after that episode tons of people have been DMing me all the same thing. So you set it outside and leave it in the sun. That's it. This, J.A. with nothing in it, just leave it out in the sun. The sun will bleach off the, the, the turmeric. Did you try it? Not yet, but I'm all excited to you. I just in the sun. That's it. J.O. with nothing in it. Just leave it out in the sun. The sun will bleach off the tumor. Did you try it? Not yet, but I'm all excited to you. I just found the sun.

Starting point is 00:08:29 The sunlight? Yeah. That's weird. I totally wouldn't have believed it, except I have like 10 DMs right now from people telling me the exact same thing. That's very, I wonder how. I'm excited to try it though.

Starting point is 00:08:40 I think that might be true. Oh, I mean, I think it's pretty random, the 10 random people. Well, no, remember when I dumped that turmeric gold true. Oh, I mean, I think it's pretty random, the 10 random people. Well, no, remember when I dumped that turmeric gold drink on my carpet? Yeah. And it was this horrible yellow color. I couldn't get it out.

Starting point is 00:08:52 I have one of those steam cleaners. Yeah. I tried to clean it up and I wouldn't go away, but it gets sunlight there. Oh. And it's disappeared. Shut the fuck up. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:01 Wow. Look at that. I bet your carpet has less inflammation too. Steves it. Steves it. It at that. I bet your carpet has less inflammation too It's terrible. It's gonna circle back Gonna circle back. I want you guys to try it bro. I want you guys to try it. It's actually pretty crazy It takes like a few weeks, but it's dramatic. I haven't I've done a couple. I mean we talked. It's not like you can't just do it once You do it consistently. Okay, so I have how long how consistent do I need to be with every super dose you're saying.

Starting point is 00:09:26 I'm doing eight capsules a day of the of the turmeric one. So whatever that would sell those pills. I'm fucking organic. I do. I can't if I could have gone through a loading phase. Yeah, right. That we sell like those crazy guys. You got to load the tumour in first.

Starting point is 00:09:39 No, no, no, the first four orally, the second four rectally. Oh, I'm both now. I'm just kidding. I go four in a morning, four in a night. I'm not that committed. And it works. Speaking of putting things in your rectum, I thought you were gonna do the coffee in them.

Starting point is 00:09:51 I'm a little disappointed that you haven't set that up. No, it's a lot of planning. Adam wants the video. I know that. I know that. That's why he's saying this. He's only care about the coffee in him. And he just wants to see me.

Starting point is 00:10:02 It seems like a great bonding thing for you, Injesica. To do that. Yeah, you know, it's old, we've done stuff like that And he just wants to see me on my side. It seems like a great bonding thing for you and Jessica. To do that. Yeah. It's old, we've done stuff like that before. Yeah, you see how you do it. You're already doing it weird or shit today. Yeah. No, but you know what though?

Starting point is 00:10:12 It was like first base. I want to do it, but that's first place. Yeah. We went to first base last night. Oh, you guys made out? Hold my rubber tube. It's a bit of a bad, but. No, it's, I was thinking about doing it, but it's a lot of prep.

Starting point is 00:10:28 I feel like you make a mess, you get to do it in the shower and all that stuff. I don't know, man. Well, I think it is messy seeing. Yeah, we only lay on the floor with some of it gets out of the bed. That's what Ben did. Yeah, he lays on his side and is in his bathroom floor, man. That's what I'm saying. I don't remember how long he said it is.

Starting point is 00:10:47 Is it like 20 minutes you have to do it for? He says he just gets up and just goes right in the toilet. All right, afterwards. Just, yeah. He drops it in the house. What? It goes. It's pure liquid though.

Starting point is 00:10:59 What if it comes out of the pool? I just imagine that and I wish I wouldn't have. Him doing that with a coffee. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm cool. I'm gonna do it. I will do it, but I just, I and I wish I wouldn't have. Him doing that with a coffee? Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm cool. I'm gonna do it, I will do it, but I just, I need to be ready. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:11:10 No kids, nothing. Cause that'd be a weird thing. He's trying to explain that to your kids. So, Daddy, when you get to Sunwalks in there, Daddy, what are you doing? You forget. Listen, sometimes you gotta do things. You ever get these thoughts in your head,

Starting point is 00:11:21 like if you ever do something like that, like what if there's an earthquake or something like you're gonna get to happen? Try to explain that. So I'm gonna use the go to the hospital real quick. Oh God, let me get the sound of that. Get these thoughts in your head like when you if you ever do something like that like what if there's an earthquake or something like Try to explain that Big old you're running outside Coffee's coming out your butt nobody knows it's coffee. Yeah, I mean I know try and live that one stop dropping roll That's that's the last year than the two hanging out of your ass You know your kids walk it and see someone that daddy's an avatars. Yeah Why do you have a tail? Avatar.

Starting point is 00:11:48 He's practicing Sahalu. What is it, Justice? It's a halo. Is that the name of it? Yeah, bro. That's the great halo. That's the connection. That's the bond.

Starting point is 00:12:00 You pronounce it right, dude. Yeah, it's a halo. Somebody's watched that a few times. Every time you see an avatar. You know, a few times. Every time you see that, but, uh, you know, a few times, you wish you were on that planet. I mean, it's all right for like a fern golly, you know, remake. Oh, shit. You know what, I watched this last weekend.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Here's a cool little documentary series for you guys. Evil genius. Yeah, seeing it. You seen it? I haven't seen it yet. So what is it about? Why didn't you say something? I get it or what, no, I did like it. It's fucking brilliant. So it's a pretty. Yeah, it's just it's only a four I think it's a four episode series. It's one of the like you remember dirty money

Starting point is 00:12:34 Yeah, it's kind of like a series like that. So just the one with the lady in the bomb. Yes. So it shows different people and this is It's actually what it's kind of like did you ever see make you a lady lady I saw a little bit of that okay it's kind of like that it's a real it's a real story real case it was I mean it went on for like 10 years unsolved yeah I'm insane and it's a twisted ass story really it's a good Netflix yeah yeah that's a good one the next one is something about the stair stairway it's like a so I'm't watch that one. So I'm, yeah, that's the next one on my list, but I heard lots of good things about that. Same thing, like it's kind of like making a murder. It recommended that after I watched Evil Genius.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Oh, very interesting. So that's one of my ones out, so I get to watch that by myself. There's not a lot of stuff I get to watch myself. What do you mean, what do you mean get to? Well, you won't watch it? Yeah, did you guys have shows that like you, you watch by yourself?

Starting point is 00:13:22 Oh, yeah, that was walking dead for me. Yeah, so Courtney couldn't handle it. Yeah, I was like, I always try and find one or two shows that Katrina doesn't like. Actually, I did get something like that did happen to me. It was, I was home alone sick one day. It was a while ago and I didn't, you know, I was just surfing through on Netflix

Starting point is 00:13:40 and then the other day, Jessica's watching TV and she's like, were you watching a documentary on strippers? I'm like, of course. I'm like, wait, was I? And then I remembered there was a documentary on strippers on Netflix, totally not what you would expect, by the way. I think it's healthy for the relationship.

Starting point is 00:13:56 I think it's healthy for the relationship for you to have a show that you watch by yourself because there's always gonna be that time where she's at a town or she's doing something of course you're home and you feel like Vegeon out and it's like nothing's worse than being right in the middle of a series that you really like with your partner.

Starting point is 00:14:11 And then you can't watch it. And you can't watch it. You know what I'm saying? You always hostage. You've always gotta have one or two go-tos in the back just in case. You've never watched it and then then started over and didn't say anything.

Starting point is 00:14:21 What, yeah, but I'm like, don't put that out on air, dude. Oh shit. You gotta call me out like that. Pretending like it's anything. Well, yeah, but I'm like, don't put that out on air, dude. Oh, shit. Get a call out like that. Pretending like it's the first time, like, oh shit. That is happening. But really, I watched it the day before. I did that on Game of Thrones. And I was like, I shouldn't have done that.

Starting point is 00:14:33 I feel like I cheated. Yeah, I was like, cheating. Yeah, I can't do that. Yeah, my girlfriend's not right on that. Don't watch it till I get home. Me and Jessica don't have series. Well, actually, we do now. We have one series now that we watch.

Starting point is 00:14:44 It's the Jersey Shore. Now we've been watching the Jersey Shore. I know. Of all the shows I'm trying to get you to watch, by the way, I finally watched the season finale of Westworld. Fucking crazy, right? Epic.

Starting point is 00:14:55 So well-written, dude. Dude, one of the best, like, I don't know, if everything I've seen on TV was the best episode I've seen. No, it was really, it was up there with like movies that I've seen. No, it was really, it was up there with like movies that I've seen that was, it was well, very well written. I'll watch it at some point. See, I think I will.

Starting point is 00:15:10 I'll get out of here, John. I'm over, I'm over. I'm done with these shores, take it up your time right now. There's way more important, bro. You didn't even watch Game of Thrones. You know what, don't even have a conversation. You know what, the reason why you get a pass, the only reason why you get a pass is because you watch

Starting point is 00:15:23 enough like educational type documentaries that you deserve to watch something that is mindless and absolutely stupid. Bro, we watch hardcore documentaries 99% of the time. And so Jersey Shore is like our brain dead, you know, thing or whatever. Because before that, we watched neurons to Nirvana, amazing documentary on the effects of psychedelics

Starting point is 00:15:43 on the brain and the studies that they did in the 60s and the ones that they're doing now. Actually very, very good on prime, Amazon Prime. Yeah, highly, highly recommend it. Haven't finished it yet, but so far it's fucking fascinating. You guys watch more Amazon Prime than anything else. It seems like. You know, Amazon, you know why?

Starting point is 00:16:01 Because there's more stuff on Amazon Prime or just down Amazon and sometimes I have to pay for it, but whatever. Netflix doesn't give you the adoption, right? Either they have it or they don't. Amazon, if they have it for free, great, and they have the same stuff for free that Netflix has most of the time, not always, but most of the time.

Starting point is 00:16:17 And then they have stuff you can pay for so I can find everything on there. So I prefer it. I wonder what the best platform is it? Who Lou, is it Netflix? Is it Amazon? Who is Hulu's making moves? Who's winning here? Because you know, I feel like for sometimes I feel like Netflix is but then I see like things like I didn't know Hulu picked up

Starting point is 00:16:34 Disney no bill. Yeah, yeah, they they Disney bought into Hulu, right? But they picked up billions. I saw that they have that and that's one of my favorite shows on there So it's kind of interesting to see how this is all gonna pan out at the end like who gets what what networks like if you're Hulu Like you pick up show time. It's no different. They going to share them Like it's no different than TV because you know TV was you had the major networks, you know I mean ABC NBC whatever So it's gonna be just like you know, it's crazy is now on like Fox ABCPN, all these show are on TV. You're watching like the finals and all the big sporting events right now

Starting point is 00:17:08 and major advertising spots for YouTube, Hulu. On TV? Yes. How funny is that? I mean, it's gotta be like, imagine being the person who works for that company. Like, it's just be cannibalizing. Yeah, you're gonna be like this fucking sucks right here.

Starting point is 00:17:22 We're advertising for the... This is gonna be my job right here. They're gonna take take my job I'll be like driving a taxi with an ad for Uber Yeah, exactly exactly That's what it's got to be like and you have on the wall and you gotta take it because he's paying you 10 grand a month But it did not get any more money. Yeah, they're paying you more than you're probably making at your job They put it up there. Hey, what'd you guys do for Father's day? Did you guys do anything? I just went for a nice hike I had the kids court- court of hand to work.

Starting point is 00:17:46 So we went up, yeah, I saw your story. That looked amazing. That was awesome. That was right next to your house. Yeah, it just was in a different direction. So I went a different way and- Can you walk from your house to get to that? Yeah, oh wow.

Starting point is 00:17:57 Yeah, so even my parents are kind of close. So we went to my parents, hung out with them, and then basically walked from there and it's this cool. It's this cool like mountain biking trail. So I don't know man, I think I'm going to get into it. Oh really? All my friends that are dads and are in the area are super. It's this big thing.

Starting point is 00:18:19 Like everybody's into mountain biking now and they're making all these like trails and parks and jumps and shit for it. So I found one, and we were just kind of walking through it, and I was like, oh, dude, this looks awesome. He calmed my brother-in-law, brother. I might actually, that's his channel, dude. Except he's crazy, though. He does like super insane stuff.

Starting point is 00:18:37 But he started just like that. I mean, I remember it was just like maybe. So my sister and her husband, Tom, my brother-in-law, it's really cool what they do. Like every couple of years they'll do this. I think it's really neat. I might have shared it on the podcast before, but they start making a list of all the things

Starting point is 00:18:54 or the attributes that they like within a hobby. So, and Tom's making his list and it's like, it has to be challenging, has to have a lot of trinkets that I can buy for it, you know, has to be physical, you know, has to be dangerous. Like, so he has like all these things that he, what he wants inside of a hobby, and then he takes from there and then he goes, he starts searching things that line up with that. And that's how he came about. That's actually pretty smart.

Starting point is 00:19:20 It's actually really smart. My sister did the same thing too, and that's how she came about paddle surfing. So I mean, paddle boarding. So she does her, they too, and that's how she came about paddle surfing. So I mean paddle boarding. So she does her, they go, every almost every Saturday, they go their different directions. She goes to Lake Tahoe, and he goes up to the hills, and he mountain bike short. I have a friend who, she's a professional mountain bike racer,

Starting point is 00:19:39 and she said some of the best trails are up by where you are. Yeah, they're all over the place, dude. I'm just like, like pros, a lot of pros train up there. There's a lot. And it's almost like every single time I meet somebody that my kids, like, befriend, you know, these are the kids from school and then I get to know the dad and, you know, try and like hit it off, like they're all like really into it. So I'm like, dad dating, it's dad dating.

Starting point is 00:20:03 It's like, that's how I'm playing. I want'm like, Dad Dating. It's Dad Dates. Like, did he? That's how I'm a plane ain't. I want to hop in with your dad and then you can hang out with that married couple's dude. Fuck. You know what Dad Dates is? You know what is funny when you have kids, you'll hang out with adults that you would never hang out with just because your friends, your kids are friends.

Starting point is 00:20:21 Of course, I can see that. Those parties are so painful. You know, like, I don't want to talk to you. I have to. So you're just stuck in the situation, like what do we have in common? Right, how rare does the parents of the kids that your kids hang out with actually line up

Starting point is 00:20:36 with the type of people you hang out with? They never have to. They never have to. It's your kids that are in common. Everybody always asks me about fitness. So that ends up becoming the conversation. As they're like smashing down cake. Yeah, I really, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:48 You know, I think for the first like 10 years of my career, I really enjoyed that. Maybe that's because I like it. Talking about fitness? Yes. Now the back half, I'm like, I try and avoid it all, cause I know. I don't mind talking about it.

Starting point is 00:20:57 I do, I do. I do, I do. I, you don't wanna know it again. Like, are you in a fitness club? Kind of, kind of not really. It's like a hobby. You have to say like, move along, let's talk about something. I don't mind. I have a podcast. Yeah, we don't want to know that you're like, yeah, you're in a fitness kind of trying to not really it's like a hobby you have say like move along Let's talk about something. I don't have a podcast. Yeah, we talk about yeah, I don't I don't mind talking about fitness as long Is it's like stimulating conversation, but it's never stimulating because what you end up answering is stuff like yeah

Starting point is 00:21:18 What's the best thing you do for this? Yeah, should eight carbs and is there a lot of protein and peanuts and stuff like that? We're gonna be doing this for a while. Yeah, that's for you direct into the quail. Yeah No, no, no, I don't direct them to the head. These are just remember their kids go to school by kids I don't want to be listed in the show necessarily. Yeah, like oh Did you know that someone so Yeah, do you guys not do you guys not tell people that you podcast yet? It's still is it still not to the point where when you meet somebody new like that? I've sort of been using that lately.

Starting point is 00:21:48 I feel like I used to just keep calling myself a personal trainer because like nobody knew what the hell you know podcast was. So I've been like leading with that a little bit more and people like, oh yeah, like they look at me like, oh yeah, cool bro. You know, like yeah, great. Yeah, no, we're just you're unemployed. That's exactly that's what it felt like. It's like, oh cool. cool bro. You know, like, yeah, great. No, we're just, you're unemployed. That's exactly, that's what it felt like. It's like, oh, cool, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:08 I'm glad you're trying something. You know, you're an artist. Oh, between jobs. It's a business, yeah, like, it's a thing, you know. It's like, what am I gonna say? I'm a fitness entrepreneur. Yeah, like, that's even worse. That sounds even worse.

Starting point is 00:22:21 Yeah, it's not like an asshole. No, my Jessica's dad, when I first met him, he's like, so what do you do? And I'm like, we have a fitness media company. And so he's like, huh? What does that look like? I'm like, oh, we have a podcast. He's like, how much do people pay to listen to your podcasts?

Starting point is 00:22:34 Well, it's free. And you can see the look on his face. He's like, how do you make money? Yeah, how do you plan on taking care of my daughter? Yes, that's up. He literally asks me, how do you guys make money? I'm like, well, we get an audience and then it's hard to explain. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:49 You know, we just do it. Yeah, we just do it. No, we had a we had a big family party because it was my cousin's 30th birthday. And so we kind of did this father's day birthday thing. Oh, I had a combined party. Did you? Yeah. So I so here's the thing, like I feel so bad for my girl because I

Starting point is 00:23:05 don't, I don't even consider, because she's always, she wants to know like, are they going to be a lot of people there? And I always forget to, to mention like, oh, this may be a big party. So as we're rolling up, I see all these cars outside my aunt's house. I'm like, oh, yeah, this could be like 80 people. I forgot to tell you, you know, we're walking and it's just, it's overwhelming. Yeah. Just so many people can be so overwhelming. See, now I can, I can totally relate with her. So her and I need to go to some of these events together. Cause you're, cause you're, yeah, that's me. So I had the, this was Katrina's nephew,

Starting point is 00:23:35 Jalen, he graduated from UC Davis. So it was a graduation party plus Father's Day at, you know, their house. I don't know if you saw some of the pictures. I did. Videos that are posted or whatever. I saw the one with Katrina dancing. Yeah, I was her dad.

Starting point is 00:23:46 Oh, okay. Yeah, so that was her dad that she was dancing with. He's like a phenomenal dancer. Well, both of them look great. Yeah. A lot of pressure on me for, right? Well, I was just thinking, I'm watching and I'm like, for sure, Adam. I can't just like shift.

Starting point is 00:23:58 Do not, right? Do not dance, or are like that? Not like that. Yeah, no, he's like, he's got swing and line and everything I know he could do everything would you ever take lessons? I know I was gonna say I would do swing lessons Yeah, I think swing yeah, I would you know on the type of guy where if my if Katrina really wanted to like for like a wedding And she like hey, you know, let's let's do let's do our dance like a swing dance like a custom I'm I'm I would be game for that like he convinced me to do that. I would go with you guys

Starting point is 00:24:22 I wouldn't go with Justin cuz he'd make me look really bad because he moves so well. Those hips. Yeah, he just, right. He moves really, really well. I'm on the swivel. But no point being that I show up there, and again, it's the same feeling for me as I'm sure

Starting point is 00:24:37 Jessica has being somebody who wasn't around a lot of family members, a lot of the time. It was very, very rare if our family ever got together and it really, we really never did. And it definitely was never at the magnitude that her family is. There's a lot of pressure for someone like her or I to go to those places because it's a skill

Starting point is 00:24:56 that I never developed one of those being like to be able to be in this family environment and then remember everybody's name. And then like I'm really bad too, like with the family at of kid of like making sure I make rounds and hug, fucking everybody before I leave. Yeah. And I, so her family does that too.

Starting point is 00:25:10 Oh yeah. Wow, it's very similar. Oh yeah, dude, I mean Hispanic, there's some things in our, there are cultures in it. It's a lot in culture for sure is like that. So yeah, I mean, and a couple times I did of my bad, you know, I'm saying Vi were finally leaving

Starting point is 00:25:23 and it's like I miss somebody and they're like, Adam and I'm like don't even remember who their name, their name and they're like, you're not gonna say know, I'm saying Vi were finally leaving and it's like I miss somebody and they're like Adam And I'm like don't even remember their name at their name and they're like you're not gonna say goodbye and I'm like Oh fuck yeah, goodbye, and don't forget Mike my husband. Oh fuck, you know, I'm so like Does it take like 30 minutes to leave? Yeah, it does it take and you know, I get really like weird about it too because I feel like okay if I go around and I go to say goodbye I don't remember their name then I feel like an asshole So then I try and like dart out and like not be seen. But then I feel like then they think I'm an asshole

Starting point is 00:25:48 for not saying goodbye. Exactly. Conversation I have with with Jessica recently. And I think the reason one of the reasons why I have compassion for you Jessica. Yeah. One of the reasons why you guys feel that way, maybe because you feel like forced.

Starting point is 00:26:00 Like if I don't do it, I think people will think I'm rude. But it's funny because who's the interview that we listen to with Jordan Peterson, he says how we focus so much on vacations and big events. When in reality, it's the daily things that are the important things, like how you come home and how you say hi to people. Right.

Starting point is 00:26:16 And we forget why that exists in the culture. Like because it becomes so, because we think we're supposed to do it, we forget why we're supposed to do it. The reality is it's a nice practice to say, high and touch everybody and whatever. And so when you remember the why, it becomes less like. Oh yeah, well, you got to remember for someone like her, either like I totally, it's not a lack of seeing that.

Starting point is 00:26:37 It's more that you've created a pathway that that doesn't exist. And so you have, you've trained yourself not to. So to untrain that, it takes a lot of work. I mean, shit, Katrina and I've been together for seven years. It still work for me. You know, it's still to this day when we go to big family events like that.

Starting point is 00:26:54 It's so crazy, because you guys know me, like if I go somewhere in public, and I don't know anybody, I can take over a room and be the life of the party, but put me in an environment where it's all family. And I'm to kind of know everybody and then the hugging and the kissing and they're like all that shit I get weird. I don't get I'm not myself. So it's it's I'd like to see that yeah It's really you know, and I think I do a pretty good job of not feeling like or not looking like I'm uncomfortable But I think you guys knowing me would see me kind of

Starting point is 00:27:24 Not really in his element. You just kind of magician your way out of it. Do you feel exhausted afterwards? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, and one of the things that like, and Katrina still like, you know, part of the work for me is to not allow to get frustrated about things.

Starting point is 00:27:37 So for example, you know, her family, the way I am with like my childhood best friends in their family, like I'm very particular about getting over to visit them and spending time with them, and even if we just do absolutely nothing, I want to be with them for hours. Well, that's how she is with her family, right? I'm not that way with my family.

Starting point is 00:27:54 And so a lot of patience on my part when it comes to her preparing to do this. So this whole weekend was all about the graduation and going to Father's Day. So for two and a half days, it was all about the graduation and going to Father's Day. So for two and a half days, it was all about the preparation. I mean, and she's spending like on Friday, it started Thursday and Friday of actually no Wednesday, starting Wednesday of getting the stuff that they need to decorate. And she's making all this homes, I mean, just crazy amount of effort and time put all

Starting point is 00:28:23 into it. And that's, it's challenging for me. Because then it didn't impede on my time with her. And then it's really frustrating for me because I have my things that I like to go do and do on my own. And that's, I know that's challenging for her when I'm like, well, yeah, I just wanna go be with myself.

Starting point is 00:28:38 I wanna go be with my friends. And she doesn't, and she's getting it now, like we've been together for a long time, so we've communicated this enough. So she sees now that the way I am with my friends, my really, really close friends that we grew up together, is the same way that she is with her family. That's my family, you know?

Starting point is 00:28:54 So I'm very protective of them. I want to spend extra time with them. Like I don't want to be rushed with them. And so I have to learn to be the same way when it comes to her family. Like I'm over there, I'm like, how long are we gonna be here for? Is this gonna be like a, is this an all night thing?

Starting point is 00:29:09 Or is this gonna, am I gonna be able to get home at a certain time? Like, I want all those answers and it's taking a lot of work for me to like, don't just be relaxed, just relax, just go. This could turn into a two in the morning thing. Like, and everybody fucked up and drinking all night long and not you, but this is really important to her

Starting point is 00:29:25 and it's important to her that I enjoy myself and that I'm mingling with the family and stuff. So it's taking a lot of practice on my part. It's a nice thing. I mean, when you really sit back and forget that, maybe I have to do this where I'm supposed to do this and just kind of realize why these things occur and why people do it, it's a really nice thing.

Starting point is 00:29:42 It's nice that family still do that or some family still do that. Because a lot of families don't, you know? And it's like, I used to trip me out when I was a kid I'd have friends, and I'd ask them, you know, what would you do for Christmas? And like, oh, it was just, you know, me and my parents,

Starting point is 00:29:56 but oh, what about your aunts and uncles? Oh, you know, they all do their own thing, and stuff, it was so strange to me because I was brought up where, I mean, my family parties, I'm not exaggerating. And eventually we had to split up because nobody had a house big enough for all the people. strange to me because I was brought up where, I mean, my family parties, I'm not exaggerating. And eventually we had to split up because nobody had a house big enough for all the people.

Starting point is 00:30:08 But at one point our Christmas parties would get over almost a hundred people. And we're talking in like a three or four bedroom regular size small family home. And it would be insane. We'd have a lot of fun. They all spend the night together in Shipro. It's like, oh dude, we have the-

Starting point is 00:30:21 I'm like, you're fucking tripping. I am not sleeping on a goddamn floor. I'm sleeping back. I'm 36 years old and my house is 15 minutes away. Yeah, right have the like you're fucking tripping. I am not sleeping on a goddamn floor sleeping bag on 36 years old And my house is 15 minutes away, right? But that's what they all they all know we have we have a garage set up with tables We'd have tables set up outside we'd have tables set up in the living room people would sit I mean bedrooms People would be hanging out. I remember Christmas We would have a room dedicated to presents so you'd open the door to a bedroom and it would be like, you couldn't walk in. There were too many presents. And it got pretty crazy. And that's

Starting point is 00:30:47 when we had all of our cousins would now we've had to split up because there's too many people, but it's getting big again. Because now we're all having things. Now do you, are you really patient with Jessica or do you find yourself ever getting like frustrated with like maybe her, her inability to maybe let loose and enjoy the environment as much as you do? She's excellent when she gets in with a small group or one-on-one and has conversation with people because she's very good at that, very empathetic. So, no, I don't get, I can empathize with her. It is an overwhelming, you know, I try to place myself in her shoes and I don't

Starting point is 00:31:21 mind necessarily groups, especially if it's family, or other people's family, I can talk to people, but I empathize with her. So I'll usually leave a little early. We won't stay super, super late because I can see that she's towards the end of it. I can tell she's tired. Yeah. It's a lot of stimulus thrown at you, especially my family. We're loud as fuck.

Starting point is 00:31:41 Everybody's, you know, food and people are so important. I'm pulling on my shirt to take shots and do all this I'm getting interviewed by everybody. Yeah, I'm the guy who's dating the you know the very successful beautiful niece and of everybody like Katrina is kind of Katrina and her mom are kind of like the the rocks in the family and here I'm the guy right who's who's dating dating her so I'm the guy who's dating her. So I'm getting bombarded from all angles. Everybody's interviewing me and challenging me

Starting point is 00:32:10 and wanting to be drunk with me. At least you guys, to me, that sounds way more fun. Because in both families, Courtney's family, my family, actually not so much my family, but her family is very tough to get conversation going. You know, it's like this big like everybody just kind of stares at each other. There's no like stimulus, nobody's playing games,

Starting point is 00:32:33 nobody's watching TV, nobody's doing anything. It's like it's this, you know, we're drinking, but we're like just kind of staring at each other. I'm like, oh my God, dude, somebody say something. It's always like trying to get the party going, you know, and like it's so exhausting, you something. So I'm always like trying to get the party going, you know, and like, it's so exhausting. You know, like I'm always trying to like get everybody loosened up.

Starting point is 00:32:50 It's so weird to me because Courtney doesn't strike me to be like that at all. No, she's not. But her parents are like this. Oh, wow. It's just super kind of conservative. Yeah, we'll share too much. Think of it this way.

Starting point is 00:32:59 So there's lots of engineers and lawyers, super intellectual, intellectual, over analyzing every time. And I can't even pretend to have a smart conversation because they're gonna take it in a place where I'm like, I'll skip loss. Laser optic engineer, good luck. Talking about sci-fi.

Starting point is 00:33:16 I'm like, I'm trying to talk about movies and stuff and it's just, I feel like an idiot. But yeah, it's that. I mean, my side of the family, we play games and stuff so it's like, I feel like an idiot. So, but yeah, it's that. Then, I mean, my side of family, we play games and stuff, so it's like, you interact and you go outside and you do stuff. And so, I mean, there's a little bit of that, so there's some escape,

Starting point is 00:33:33 but she's uncomfortable with that, because she doesn't like playing games and all that. So she's always like, give me the fuck outta here. We have really deep conversations, and in topics are typically not off limits, so Injeska likes that, because she's like, oh my God, your family talks about, like we'll talk about anything.

Starting point is 00:33:49 Politics, we could talk about religion, we could talk about people's relationship to food, we can talk about when we grew up and how we were with our parents. And so the conversations can get really deep and really heated and she'll appreciate that. She likes that kind of talk, but yeah, it's funny. We get home and I can tell, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:07 poor girl, she's tired from all of it. Yeah, it's exhausting, man. Yeah, it's exhausting. It's a lot of work. Yeah, because I think that just, it doesn't seem like that much work for you. Oh, no, I can get tired from it. Yeah, I can definitely get tired.

Starting point is 00:34:20 Right, like if you can get tired from it that you multiply it by 10 for her, right? That you have to know that. But, you know, I'm lucky because I'm right. I think that Justin, or if you can get tired from it, that you get to multiply it by 10 for her, right? That you have to know that. But, you know, I'm lucky because I'm right. I think that Justin, or what you said, I think that that would be way more challenging for me. At least her family is like loud and vocal,

Starting point is 00:34:34 and want a party, they want to play ping pong, they want to play basketball, okay, that's cool. Yeah, you can. You can kind of observe the chaos, right? Versus like having to be the source of it. What's hard for what I've found hard after seven years,

Starting point is 00:34:45 so that's like her brothers and the cousins, like we've gotten tight over all these years, so that part's gonna be, but every big party family that there's always 15 to 20 people I don't know. You know what I'm saying? That's a cousin, that's a best friend since childhood. It's something that's like,

Starting point is 00:34:59 the parties are so big that even after seven years, there's still people that I don't know. I go there, it's only the first or the second time that I met them, like, fuck up in this family for seven years, there's still people that I don't know. You know, I go there, it's only the first or the second time that I met, I'm like, fuck up in this family for seven years, I'm still meeting fucking people. When is this shit in, dude, she met my whole family like, fucking first weekend. Here they are, there's all five of them that I see right there.

Starting point is 00:35:19 Go, kiddo, you remember that? Well, we actually, we saw some cousins that we hadn't seen and I probably haven't seen them in like a few months, which for us is a long time to not see, you know, certain parts of our family. And they were just tripping over how fast my son's growing. So I measured them. The kids gained, he's growing like over half an inch a month

Starting point is 00:35:37 right now, like a ridiculous amount. And put the flight thing is his arms and his feet are growing faster than the rest of his body. So you just look like a big spider. So I was telling if I said right now, I'm like, do your arms feel long to you? I'm like, wait a minute, make me self conscious, Dan. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:35:53 You know what, I've done a good, he's walking around like this now. No, he's like, yeah, he goes, my arms are as long as my friend's arms that are taller than me. And when you hear the kid talk now, his voice is really starting to crash. It's the best thing in the world. That's a I tried to explain that to my to my my eight-year-old You know like how his voice was gonna change. There's gonna be a moment where he's gonna

Starting point is 00:36:13 Hey Dude go get me I hear scream I hear him yelling through his microphone He's playing video games to his friends You guys come get him. Help me out over here. I'm like, dude, can you hold it steady? And you try to, try to. I so remember that. Yeah. Oh, it's so funny.

Starting point is 00:36:30 These little moustaches started coming. He's turned in 13 next month, dude. Wow. When you teach him how to shave. Does he shave? Yeah. He doesn't have enough to really shave. But I, that's when you start though.

Starting point is 00:36:39 Oh, man. I mean, I'd hold you guys when you start shaving. It sets about, that's close, dude. I mean, maybe, maybe 14. I think, dude, how did your hair grow initially? Because for me, it was like, oh my neck. I think it was like random hairs that would grow. Is that your crew man?

Starting point is 00:36:52 Yeah, it was like, you're from the bottom. Is that your fine neck up? You were a neck beard? Yeah, I was a neck beard. There's a guy in Los Gatos where I had my studio, this old man who used to come in. I don't know where he came from. He had overalls on.

Starting point is 00:37:04 He would always come to the shopping center. And he shaved everything except his neck. So he used to come in, I don't know where he came from, he had overalls on, he would always come to the shopping center, and he shaved everything except his neck, so he used to call him neckbeard. Wow. Because he had a big bush. That's an interesting look. It was the weirdest thing, but anyway. But no, I think probably 14, dude.

Starting point is 00:37:18 I can see, but I want to push it because I can't wait to have that moment with him where we shaved together. I mean, he has an ass. He has a, I mean, I think I remember asking for Christmas for like an electric razor was like when I, I asked for, not a good way to start. Did he ever just do it on his own?

Starting point is 00:37:32 And remember I was in practice? No, no. Oh my God, my youngest. He tried to shave. Yes, he saw me doing it and then so he tried to do it and was like, and he got himself, like I got his fact caught him in the mirror trying to shave is the funniest thing ever. But I was like, oh my got himself, like on his back caught him in the mirror trying to shave

Starting point is 00:37:45 is the funniest thing ever. But I was like, oh my God, you're gonna hurt yourself. It was crazy, but it was like so funny because he obviously watched me shave in front of him. So he shot her dude though. My daughter did that. Really? Shave her face.

Starting point is 00:37:58 Her legs. Oh, her legs. Yeah, because, you know, listen. What is the right age that you let girls, what age are you supposed to be? I mean, I guess whenever, you know, here's the thing. Okay age that you let girls, what age are you supposed to make? I mean, I guess whenever, you know, here's the thing. Okay. I feel like that's less of a big deal than the makeup thing.

Starting point is 00:38:11 That's a little like, alright. I'm gonna say some a little racist, but I can say it because it's my own culture. Alright, I'm gonna put my seatbelt. It tie in, it tie in, tend to be hairy. I don't know if you guys knew this. And the girls tend to get hairy pretty quickly. So my poor little girl, you know, she gets,

Starting point is 00:38:25 she gets, you know, and she's not that bad, you know what I mean? But she gets hair and stuff on her legs, a little kid. And so her friends would say stuff to her and she's like, you know, she tells me, well, are my legs hairy? I'm like, well, I mean, it's normal. I mean, have you seen your aunts? That says not bad.

Starting point is 00:38:39 I tell her I said, have you seen your aunts? It's not as bad as your aunts. That's right. I said, have you seen your aunts arms? They look like blind your And your answer. I said have you seen your aunt's arms they look like Anyway, so I guess she went in the showers my ex told me this she calls me on the phone She's like your daughter shaved her legs like that little shit. She got her razor and fucking already Yeah, so now she's shaved her legs. I think that's okay. She's eight so what I know what do you write shaving? I mean shaving legs and especially since that she's probably like you said

Starting point is 00:39:07 She probably has hair your legs. It's accelerated faster for her in comparison to probably her peers It's not that bad, but when you're young. Yes, it's a big so high Especially if your friends says something yeah, you know, I mean if your friends says something then you're like insecure about it Yeah, I never knew what a unibrow was until somebody pointed out my face. Did you have the unibrow? Oh, yeah, do you pluck it now? Yeah, I do all the time. You still do just with my yeah, yeah, I have to think of it I just I plucked it once gone forever. Wow. I am not I break the I break the rules a little bit See all my arms. Yeah, I have no hair my legs You're both hair. I am both you guys are no no about that you are bro Look at your arms bro just cuz my arms though my back and like chest nothing. It's true

Starting point is 00:39:48 You have yeah weird you can see right through the pink to the pink. It's like him It's like everywhere. I'm close. I'm good bro. You were cracking me up on the beach Just it was looking at so red yeah, just it was looking at me. He's like why your skin gold? Justin was looking at so red yeah, Justin was looking at me. He's like why are you skinned gold? I think it was a sunglasses I had on you were shiny I just had to point it out You actually look good though. I'm gonna show you right now. It looks like your color. It turned good, bro It didn't you know, I'm you know, you're not peeled all no. Yeah, no you look great No, see it's one of those things dude. It tastes a lot of time for me to build a base

Starting point is 00:40:26 Bro you guys are just fucking it just happens. You could have stopped talking about it. Keep looking at me to start laughing Is it like you're like a gold G on your skin? I'm like a walking trophy Like somebody just like painted you up. It's my yeah, it's my my Sicilian jeans Yeah, I mean, maybe that's. Who had the article that they wanted to bring out? Was that you, Justin? Yeah, so what I saw was in the news like with Fitbit,

Starting point is 00:40:51 I guess what's happened is there's six of their employees got indicted that they hired on. Yeah, from job bones. So they came from job bone and basically gave a lot of the trade secrets from job-owned to Fitbit. What? I think it was 2011, 2015. They've been going through these court cases of lawsuits, so job-owned knew about this.

Starting point is 00:41:14 So now this is all kind of surfacing and it's affecting Fitbit's business. Shit. They've been, their stock was started dropping. I think I want to say like six months. Don't quote me on this. I know it's been about six months to eight months when it started to really hit start going out. And what I thought it was more so too is it's just such, now that the technology's out there

Starting point is 00:41:34 and you can reverse engineer anything these days and change just a tiny thing and then I get sued for it. So I feel like it's such a competitive space now. It's like not only are all the wearables that have been dominating the space still around, but then you also have got anybody and everybody that has an app now can now attach it to a wearable, I mean, our buddy Craig was working

Starting point is 00:41:53 on a wearable for a minute there. It's like everybody's trying. And it's all just, yeah, repurposed, like, like, the same technology just got repurposed in different ways to bend around these patents. And so, yeah, they went on a business, dude. Like, job-on went on a business. And so it's interesting what's happening with this.

Starting point is 00:42:10 Right, because job-on-two, they did the earpieces, and they did other things besides just the wearable. You know, I'm still very skeptical that any of these wearables are going to truly impact society for fitness. I really am, because it's not, I don't think it's an awareness issue. I really think because the people who end up buying I disagree with that. I know we've talked about this. Yeah, I disagree with it because and again, I'm applying this with somebody right now.

Starting point is 00:42:37 It's such a people are so fucking unaware of their lack of movement through the day. That's just for that reason. Now, I think wearables, just as a tool by itself, without teaching someone how to use the tool, yeah, it can be, but what tool isn't like that? I mean, if you just start swinging away with a hammer and no one's ever taught you how to swing with a hammer, it's like, you need to learn something from it. You can't just like, see it.

Starting point is 00:43:01 But I think it's become, I mean, it's definitely for people that I've coached and trained. I mean, I'm wearing mine right now think it's become, I mean, it's definitely for people that I've coached and I mean, I'm wearing mine right now and for that exact reason, even as well trained as I am, it's very easy for my day to get away from me and then me go like, man, have I moved that much today? I feel like I've been active

Starting point is 00:43:17 and just to be able to have something that I can reference to kind of see my movement. But that's what I mean. When it's gonna be relevant is when they put it all together. And so like our buddy from neutrino, you know, as an example of like trying to actually create a platform where they take in 23 and me, they take in, you know, their gut health, they take in the steps and they integrate all these different metrics out there that you can actually get like these sensors to passively aggregate all this data for you.

Starting point is 00:43:46 So, when you can kind of present it to somebody like, look, here's what the fuck is going on with your entire body. And then you can see if I just tweak this one area of what I'm doing in my day-to-day process, it's got that massive impact. It is, but see, here's my point with that. Like, if somebody hires you to coach them and you're using it as a tool, there's already a self-selection bias in the sense that that's a person who's already reaching out and trying to try it.

Starting point is 00:44:08 Right, who's already aware I have to know to hire. My skepticism is, is it going to impact just the people who are going to want to work out anyway? Probably, it's a tool. Is it going to impact people who don't, which is a majority of people? I don't think so, man. The reason why I still do is because because of what we've seen over the last 10 to 15 years and really over the last 50 plus years is the lack of movement and just the average person is just so unaware of that. Even if you don't

Starting point is 00:44:38 know how to use the tool and even if it does create some bad habits or whatever with them, at least making them aware of how little they move throughout the day, I think is a step in the right direction or better off than not knowing at all or assuming. Maybe, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, of course, there's definitely a side of me that thinks more information is better,

Starting point is 00:44:58 but I, you know, I look at studies like when restaurants, lists, you know, calories and macros doesn't change eating habits. In fact, sometimes it goes in the opposite. When people become more aware of their activity levels through other means, it hasn't changed anything. Really, only thing that seems to change people's activity level is where they're living, the culture is more active.

Starting point is 00:45:19 In other words, if somebody from a suburb moves to an urban area where you have to walk everywhere, then people become more active because it becomes a part of their life. So it's, I don't know, it's a tough one for me because we have more tools, we've had tools for a while now. It hasn't been hard to find out what's been in food for decades and yet people still seem to not really care.

Starting point is 00:45:41 So I don't know, man, I don't know if it's more information or if it's just like a behavioral psychological thing that we need. So I don't know, man, I don't know if it's more information or if it's just like a behavioral psychological thing. I don't know. I have a hard time saying that having more information, more metrics is a bit canable, absolutely. But I think the more tools and resources that we have, the better off overall as a society we are. I agree.

Starting point is 00:46:03 I definitely think that it's going to create bad habits. I definitely think there'll be people that will be that will use it and go, oh, I did 10,000 steps today so that I can get a big man. So I can get a big Mac today where they probably wouldn't even have the big Mac in the first place, but because now they fucking walked 10,000 steps, they've now just to buy eating something bad, right? So or less good for them, right? So, I do see all of that happening, but I personally have seen just, I mean, we're talking about, and I didn't have it since the beginning

Starting point is 00:46:31 of my training career, but about midway through. So, pretty close to 1,000 people, hundreds for sure of people that I've impacted their lives by utilizing these tools and coaching them how to do it. So, either way, it's like, you know, if you're a forward thinking person and like you're in that bias, right?

Starting point is 00:46:46 And you're trying to like improve yourself, like having those metrics is gonna be valuable, but at the same time, if you're not that kind of person, you're gonna seek out a coach eventually because you don't wanna do the work yourself, right? You want somebody else to kind of like tell you, like all the steps it's gonna take to get you to your goal. And, you know, as a coach, like I,

Starting point is 00:47:06 having all of that and having reference points of like, you know, their lifestyle and like, like, really peering in to more than just when I see them for the workout is super helpful. Well, it's like, are we better off with or without calculators? Same thing, same thing. I mean, people become so dependent on that,

Starting point is 00:47:24 they don't know how to do as long division. Right, I mean, people become so dependent on that. They don't know how to do. He does long division. Right. I mean, are we as a society or are we better off with a tool like that or not? No, no, I'm not saying, I think you're right in the sense that more information is better. I'm just a little skeptical as to whether or not

Starting point is 00:47:35 that is going to really change behaviors because ultimately people have to decide that they want to change, that they want to do things. You know, it's almost like, look, it's for a while now, it hasn't been really a lack of information. It's been there for a little while. Definitely been harder to access and it's definitely been harder to utilize. But I think a lot of people know that they probably should move more and probably eat a little

Starting point is 00:47:57 less and that kind of stuff. So it's just, because I, you know, I tell you what, you see these, these step counters have been around now in the market for a while. But have they really made a huge impact in terms of people's activity levels? By now, I think we would have seen a bigger change. Oh, I think it's too early. I think it's too early to say that. I think.

Starting point is 00:48:18 Along those FitBits have been around that long, not even 10 years. Five years. Before that. Yeah, before that, the body bug. Right. Yeah. And it's not even, I mean, Fitbit, and I would say Fitbit, and I mean, the Nike Fuel Band and maybe Apple Watch, like they've really made it mainstream.

Starting point is 00:48:34 Nobody knew who the fuck the body bug was. Unless you were a personal trainer at 24-A. You didn't know what the fuck a body bug was. So this is a weird fucking medical condition. It has been, well, it's founded in 2007, but I don't think it's had real market yeah i know i didn't yeah i didn't really get really popular till after two thousand ten but so still even then if we just don't we don't have a lot of i think data to

Starting point is 00:48:54 support whether it's it's bad or good i but no matter how you look at it again i just use the analogy the calculator i mean has the calculator made some people dumber at doing math absolutely but it's probably excelled others and it's become a tool that you now can become better in a lot of other. Of that. Right. So and I think of this as another tool like that. Like, I think being able to understand like using an app like Fat Secret and using a tool like Fitbit can take you to another level of Understanding you yourself and nutrition and your body and how that all works, without it for the average person, I think it's even more challenging.

Starting point is 00:49:29 So I think it just brings a new level of awareness to people. Well, so I'm looking up studies right now because I figured there probably are some studies on whether or not these technologies actually increase activity or that they actually work. And I'm reading, they did do some studies on this and they found that randomized control trials involving 800 test subjects in 2013, 2014 found that after one year of use, a clip

Starting point is 00:49:55 on activity tracker had no effect on their overall health and fitness, even when it was combined with a financial incentive. Wow, even to incentivize people with money, people still didn't do much with it. And another study in 2012 found that it didn't, it's, you just gotta decide, it's crazy. Well, it reminds me of things. So now that going back to the hammer analogy,

Starting point is 00:50:17 and I know the hammer's a bad analogy because that's such an easy tool to use, I should use a tool that's a little more challenging to use. But imagine if someone just threw out all these tools and just said, hey, go figure out how to do it, you're going to get a bunch of results like that. Well, I have to look deeper, but I will just assume if it was a study, they probably gave 800 people fit bits and they said, okay, here's how they work. Here's what the steps are, you know, monitor your activity.

Starting point is 00:50:38 Right. No education around it, no coaching around it. This is how they work. Go figure this out. Yeah. Well, I think coaching by itself would be more effective than anything else. I mean, that would be ultimate.

Starting point is 00:50:48 That's like giving some really good. Just do some pushups. It's again, it's a tool. So don't you think it's naive of anybody to use a tool without learning about the tool? I mean, we're just changing their behaviors. I think it's gonna go back to coaching always. I don't think that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:51:04 I think these tools with a coach can be phenomenal by themselves. Coaching or education, I feel like if you listen to Mind Pump enough, we've talked about this, all a lot of this stuff, you know, I think that would help. So I don't think you necessarily need to hire a personal trainer or a coach, but I think educating yourself about a tool that you're about to use just seems

Starting point is 00:51:23 pretty fucking obvious. I mean, just because it's a wearable is not gonna hurt you. I do anything really. It's just being aware of your patterns You know, and so it's like if they just see numbers It's just numbers like oh I did this this week. I did it like there's no relevance to it You know haven't given it any value so like in order to give it value you have to like set out goal specifics and like Have programming attached to it and have coaching. It doesn't fucking matter.

Starting point is 00:51:49 I've just seen numbers. Well, the thing about a coach that's so effective besides the education and the coaching aspect of it is the accountability. So if I have a tracker on and let's say it buzzes every two hours, to remind me, you need to move, you need to move, I'm not letting anybody down when I ignore that shit.

Starting point is 00:52:05 I'm not moving right now. But if I have a coach who's a human, who I have to be accountable to, now I'm like, okay, my coach told me I should do this. I probably could, okay, I'm gonna do this because I know my coach is gonna talk to me about it. But if it's an electronic, it's not the same. It's just that whole behavioral thing.

Starting point is 00:52:21 I think we need to really, I understand as a trainer that the information I give my clients is not nearly as valuable as the support. It was the support that was the most valuable thing that I think that they found. Of course. Yeah, and that's where I thought Fitbit was on the right track

Starting point is 00:52:37 because they had like, it was very community-based. So you could connect easy with people, Facebook, friends, and all that stuff. That was like shareable. And so like people could monitor, like have accountability with, you know, peers. So that, I think that peace in itself is valuable. I like the practice of like doing an activity, ritualizing an activity, like going for a walk after every meal or in the morning when I have my coffee going for a walk or something like that Where you ritualize it you know when you connected to something that you're gonna do every day

Starting point is 00:53:10 You know though what led to that personally for myself was the beginning of tracking and making it be sure coming aware of that You know saying like otherwise I where you could fit it in yeah I started to realize whoa I could easily and this is still today right I can easily go from a started to realize, whoa, I could easily, and this is still today, right? I can easily go from a 3000 step day to a 18,000 step day. And the difference for me at six, three, 210 pounds right now,

Starting point is 00:53:33 that's a difference of 1,500 calories burned in a day, roughly, give or take. And so just to give you an example. I mean, so. Not to mention all the health benefits and the food benefits. Right. So just, and so I could easily string three of those low days together. I can easily string three of

Starting point is 00:53:50 those high days together. And so therefore, my nutrition and my intake should reflect that some way based off of my goals. And so most people just clueless of that because they've never really paid attention to that. And so to me, at least doing that, and then, because you don't, again, you don't wanna become dependent on it either, right? You don't wanna, like, oh, I can only be fit when I'm falling my Fitbit, I have my coach,

Starting point is 00:54:12 I fell out everything on my fat figure, because that will be fucking tortures for the rest of your life. But I think enough practice of utilizing the tool of becoming aware of it. So it becomes your, you're ready to. Then you start to implement habits. I mean, this morning I got up extra early

Starting point is 00:54:23 just to go for a three mile walk because I know that I'm on my game, on my A game right now, and I know that's some of the things that I just need to incorporate in order for me to be able to have some flexibility within the diet. Otherwise, I can't have any flexibility

Starting point is 00:54:38 when I'm only moving 3,000 steps. Right, right, right. Hey, I wanted to ask you, share some cool, weird science that I read about this this morning. So you know when you stay in the water for a long time, how your fingers get like pruny and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Do you know why that happens? No, I had no idea. No. So I thought it was osmosis. Yeah, I thought, oh, it has to do with the water doing something your skin. No, it has nothing to do with that because when people have nerve damage to their fingers,

Starting point is 00:55:03 they don't get prune, they don't get pruned. They don't get pruning. So if you have nerve damage to your hands and you put your hand in water, you could soak it in there and you won't get pruning at all. It's actually a function of the central nervous system or somehow a function of the central nervous system. And the reason why it happens is to help us grip things that are wet. Oh, shut the fuck up.

Starting point is 00:55:21 This is what they believe because they did these tests on this. They had to fuck out here. So this is a leftover. Where did he read this? That's what I read this morning. Yeah, I read this. I thought it was cool. I read this morning. They really were Aquaman first.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Yeah, dude. Well, we definitely, Merman, not definitely, but the Merman. You know what's the Ferdinand? You're a mermaid, don't mind. Dude, there was like a, there was some show out there. I think it's on Discovery Channel. It was totally like fake.

Starting point is 00:55:45 You know, like, and they like, we just found a mermaid. Oh, our Mermaid's real. Yes. Like Courtney for a second, like the lead is, she's like, oh my god, look at you. I was like, I had an argument with my ex-wife about that. What?

Starting point is 00:56:01 Yes, we argued and I'm like, this is fake. There are no Mermaids. This would be the biggest news of all time. Like forever. This is real. It's right. There with unicorns. It's like it's real. I'm like, no, it's not real. But anyway, a aquatic ape theory, right? No, but apparently we evolved everything evolved from the ocean, right? That's really interesting. You have nerve damage. You can put your hand in the water with nerve damage and you will not have pruney skin or whatever. And so they did these studies

Starting point is 00:56:28 where people were grabbing things that were wet to see how well they could grip it. And there's a something like 12 to 15% increase in grip ability when your skin is pruney. So it's a fucking act as well. So it makes sense we'd be in the water fishing around for hours, trying to catch a fish so we could eat and then it's you know finally they start to. That's crazy. Isn't that weird? That is weird. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was cool.

Starting point is 00:56:52 Yeah, that is fun fact. This quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try organified totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, a first question is from the Dave lifestyle. What's the best method in your opinion to track your BMR? Yes, you know why I picked this question?

Starting point is 00:57:31 Because you can go online and try and figure out your BMR formulas. So many formulas. And they're all wrong. They're all going to be wrong. Generic is fucked. The variance between your basil metabolic rate from individuals is so dramatic. And your own metabolism can be changed dramatically.

Starting point is 00:57:47 Even without changing your lean body mass or fat, although those do affect your basal metabolic rate, you could weigh the same and you could increase or reduce your metabolic rate just through to where you do the body gem, where you breathe into it and all that. And it's just so frustrating because it would change all the time. We would retest and it was totally something completed.

Starting point is 00:58:10 Well, we talked about this. When we interviewed Lane, we talked about reverse dieting and then I did that video on YouTube with Holly and it's totally true. We'll take a client and let's say it's a female and she's been dieting hard for always, right? She's always in a deficit. Lots of cardio, metabolism's really slow.

Starting point is 00:58:27 I've done this a million times. This isn't super out of the ordinary. I've seen it happen all the time. And let's say she's consuming 1200 calories a day and anything over that she'll gain weight. Well, over the course of six months where we slowly increase her calories, changes stimulus with resistance training. Let's say in six months she gains three or four pounds of muscle, which is a lot of muscle for female to gain.

Starting point is 00:58:50 That three or four pounds of muscle does not account for the 800 more calories she can eat a day now. I mean, three pounds of muscle doesn't burn 800 more calories every single day. It shouldn't. So there's something else that's happening and we don't quite know what is going on.

Starting point is 00:59:07 And the reverse can be true also with somebody who's constantly trying to feed their body to gain weight. I was in this scenario where I was always trying to put on mass, always, always, always. And I'd get to the point where 4,000 calories, you know, and I'd lift weights once a day, it wasn't like I was doing cardio stuff, 4,000 calories to maintain, anything under that. And I would lose weight. And it's because I got to the point where my basal metabolic rate got so high.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Till today, the best way that I've ever found to track basal metabolic rate is the hard way, which is track your food, see how many calories you're eating every single day. If you're not gaining weight, assume that that is your basal metabolic rate and then work from there. Because everything you get online is so.

Starting point is 00:59:49 I know, like tracking your weight and the consistency and try and keep your meals consistent. That's hard because you have to do that for an extended period of time. You can't be for a couple of days. Oh, that's where I'm at. I'm not gonna give you any valuable data. Yeah, you need to go for a few weeks minimum

Starting point is 01:00:07 before I would tell somebody, like, that's a good place to get your BMR because easily stress, sodium, water, carbohydrate intake, all will manipulate your weight up or down significantly for each person individually, right? So making sure that you're somewhere consistent about it. And again, here's another place where I see value in these tools, you know, like, okay, I'm trying to figure

Starting point is 01:00:29 out what my BMR is. So I'm not really gonna train really much this next two weeks. I'm gonna just move and stay consistent with my movement. Like, okay, I step 8,000 steps per day on a normal day. So I'm gonna stay right around that range. I'm gonna eat like around these calories. I'm gonna eat around these calories, and kinda see what happens up or down from your weight, and that gives you a better idea.

Starting point is 01:00:48 So here's a place where I would implement this tool to kinda figure that out. Yeah, really finding that maintenance. You know, what does that really look like? It is, because the numbers can be super dramatic. I mean, I've had big clients, whose basal metabolic rate, once we figured it out, was very low. You know, these

Starting point is 01:01:06 are people over 200 pounds. You know, some I've had, I had a client that was 250, a female, 250 pounds. And she wasn't eating more than like 1300 calories a day and she was just maintaining her body weight. And you know, it's funny because when I first started as a trainer, I'd say probably the first six to eight years, I thought they were lying. I totally thought they were lying completely. And definitely a good chunk of people are lying, many times because they're unaware, but sometimes they're not. And it would blow me away that there were people like that. And then there would be people who were so much smaller, but because of the stimulus that they placed on their body and the way they were eat, would consume, you know, two times as many calories.

Starting point is 01:01:46 I mean, the difference can be so dramatic. Well, this question even, you know, lines up with what you just said about the step counter. Here we are, we get caught up over, you know, these acronyms that like, you know, basal metabolic rate, like, I need to find out mine. And then I'm going to do this. It's like, well, I mean, to be honest with you, I don't know if I've ever even used that as a tool. It's a moving target anyway,

Starting point is 01:02:10 change it for me. That's what I mean, because people hang on those numbers, like it's like super accurate, and I mean, that's really why we pulled a lot of the calculators out of our nutrition guide, because it's so subjective, it's not like, you can't pinpoint it like that.

Starting point is 01:02:24 You have to go through that process of like a couple of weeks of understanding your body on that level and like what you're putting in, what your daily habits consist of, movement wise and then like figure that out to where like have I been gaining, haven't been losing, like all that stuff it takes. There's so many variables.

Starting point is 01:02:40 And then we didn't even talk about like inflammation or gut issues or other things that people could have so you could be Totally hitting where you should be calorie wise movement wise think you're right on target for your BMR But then you have like some sort of a food allergy that you're dealing with Oh, yeah, so then your body's retaining and holding more water because there's so many variables So to get hung up on your BMR because you took some tests and they said, oh yeah, your BMR is, you know, 1900 calories. So you're like, oh cool.

Starting point is 01:03:07 So I actually just had somebody DM me this exact question. She was asking that. She said, oh, my BMR is 1300. So, you know, would you suggest staying at that and trying to lose weight through exercise and cardio or should I try to, you know, reverse diet or try to increase my metabolism? And I directed her to the why cardio sucks YouTube video you did. And then also the lane Norton episode, because I thought we kind of touched on both those topics in that.

Starting point is 01:03:34 But, you know, this is an area where like the Fitbit, too, I think when people use the tool and they get caught up on the, oh, it says I burned this much. It's like, that's where these things are really not useful is when you get hung up on this machine. They don't know. Yeah, they have no idea. I used to hate that. I'm not like pinpointed and accurate.

Starting point is 01:03:55 No, I used to hate that. But that being said, I also want to defend it in the fact that that doesn't mean it's worthless. No. It doesn't mean that because we're saying that, oh, don't get hung up that it says you're burning 2,500 calories, it could be totally wrong. Well, it could be, well, what they're good at

Starting point is 01:04:09 is they're good at reading consistently, right? That's it. So, like, you can see if it's up or down. Right. That's it. So, use it more like that versus, oh, my body is this calorie amount. No, that may not necessarily be true.

Starting point is 01:04:20 No, it's like the cardio machines. I used to hate this when I would get clients who would hire me as a trainer or whatever. They'd be like, oh, I burn, yeah, I burn 1,200 calories like the cardio machines. I used to hate this when I would get clients who would hire me as a trainer or whatever. They'd be like, oh, I burn. Yeah, I burn 1200 calories every day on cardio. I'm like, oh, you do. So you do like two and a half hours of cardio. Dude, remember?

Starting point is 01:04:33 Oh, no, it says 45 minutes on the elliptical 1200 calories. Remember when we got the body bug and then we had the same clients go through and test each one of those cardio pieces of equipment. It was always like at least four to 500 calories burned more than what it, what they were actually burning based off of like the, the more sophisticated sense of that. The first week that body bug came out, I was one of the test FM's again. This was way back when, right?

Starting point is 01:04:57 It was 12, 15 years ago. Right. And I was so excited about it. And because they were, they were promoting how it's 94% accurate, right? As far as the calories burnt. So for a week, I consistently got up at six o'clock in the morning, didn't eat, went straight to the gym, and I went for an hour, as hard as I could on a piece of a cardio equipment.

Starting point is 01:05:18 And I rotated all the equipment to measure what the equipment was saying and the measurement my body bug was saying. And dude, some of them were like, why off I gave the fuck off. My body bug would read that I was like, 350 to 400 calories per minute. Yeah, and your big dude. And the stair master would say,

Starting point is 01:05:33 1,000 calories when I was like, whoa, yeah. You know, do you know why they wanted you to feel good? Yeah, you know, as you're doing it. It's a, you're doing something. It's a fucking racket. You know why they do that, right? First of all, nobody checks, nobody knows,

Starting point is 01:05:46 nobody cares, right? I mean, people care, but nobody checks. The reason why Cardi and Machines do that in the first place is because they know if it tells you a higher number, it's selling itself to be used. And I know this because members would literally tell me, I want to use that one because I burn more calories on them. They use, actually, they actually...

Starting point is 01:06:02 If a commercial still fucking put that out. They actually use like a specific algorithm like all of them. It's based off of, and I don't, I remember reading this a long time ago, and it's like a athletic, you know, 30 year old male. Yeah. You know, that's like,

Starting point is 01:06:16 that has X amount of lean body mass on them or whatever. It is awesome metabolism. Yeah, no, that's what they use. So they use somebody who's got like this roaring metabolism that's a male has a lot of muscle on their body, so it's like, and here's the other thing you wanna keep in mind, too, with your BMR is, you know,

Starting point is 01:06:31 I could, if I could figure out my BMR right now, exactly, I could change that number within a few days of activity and nutrition. Or stress. Or stress or whatever. I mean, like you said, like you said, food intolerance, right? Well, how can that change your BMR? Well, a food intolerance is caused

Starting point is 01:06:48 cause a systemic kind of inflammatory response in the body. How does the body respond when that happens? Well, you release cortisol, your liver dumps glycogen. This is why people can get a spike in blood sugar after eating foods with no carbohydrates if they have like a food intolerance or strong intolerance to them. All these things can affect your BMR and so it becomes not that important.

Starting point is 01:07:08 It really starts to become not that important. So then it goes back to, because when you look at, there's, I mean, there's a bajillion ways now to test for this. And all of them are probably within a few percent of each other. So it doesn't matter which one's more accurate to your actual BMR, they all will work to give you a baseline or a starting point. Always use that the same exact way you applied it.

Starting point is 01:07:29 That's it. That's how I would coach them. Just like I coach them on using body fat percentage. Same exact thing too. It's like we can see here in debate all day long if the Dexascan or the dunk tank or the skin fold, which one's more accurate, which ones, but they all have room for error.

Starting point is 01:07:44 They're all within a few percent of what they claim to be accurate. Doesn't fucking matter. What matters is where you start, whatever you go and apply and do from there, and do a direction. Right, and then you retest again and you use it like that.

Starting point is 01:07:56 That's it. Next question is from Ryan Al-Dwenda. Your thoughts on walking after eating? You spoke about waiting before you consume food after working out because you want to be in a parasympathetic state to digest food. But you also spoke about the benefits of walking after eating in eating digestion, but wouldn't walking after you eat take you out of a parasympathetic state. No, it depends how you walk. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:21 Walking can be very meditative and relaxing. The idea of walking post meal is not to go for a workout. That would probably not be a good idea. Immediately afterwards, you could wait an hour or two and then do it like if you wanna go for a run and stuff like that. But right after you work out, if you look at the cultures that value a stroll post meal,

Starting point is 01:08:44 many Asian cultures do this, Mediterranean cultures do this. I know when I go visit family in Sicily, that tends to be something that we do after we eat. It is not a fast walk. We are literally strolling, having nice conversation. The idea is for it's a relaxing movement. And so it is very parasympathetic. Now we can say that sleep is also parasympathetic,

Starting point is 01:09:05 but I'll make the argument that laying horizontally and not moving is probably worse for digestion. No, I think about it for gravity. Gravity is gonna help that process alone. It's just standing up is a big deal. And you know, it's funny, if you look at the anatomy of the muscles that are involved when you walk in particular some of the hip flexors like the soas, the soas kind of goes through the body and is around your digestive

Starting point is 01:09:31 organs. And many times moving the soas muscles does help the digestive process. Processing to kind of travel. In fact, you know, when you have, if you have, one of the tests that they do for appendicitis is what's called a so-as test. And what they'll do is they'll have you activate your so-as and if you feel pain right away because the so-as is literally right there, that happens to be one of the ways that they can identify whether or not you have

Starting point is 01:09:56 inflamed appendix. But it's very, it definitely does help with the digestive process, but it is not a fast, it's not a fast lock. You're going very slow. Well, not to mention too, like normally when you're eating out or eating, there's this before, it's not like you ate, and then you go right away to like this power walk.

Starting point is 01:10:13 It's like you eat the bill comes, you're probably talking, you know what I'm saying? So it's not, and it's not supposed to be like this rigorous exercise, we're not power walking when Katrina and I do it. It's a very, very slow, casual stroll. It's not, it's not, it's designed to get my heart rate up. Blood flow. Yeah, you're just trying to just casually go through it so everything can kind of start.

Starting point is 01:10:33 It's natural process of moving down. I mean, yeah, it has a lot of movement has to occur to be able to get it through everything in a small intestine. And in sympathetic and parasympathetic, and I'm going to make a statement that might be a little controversial, but has more to do with your state of mind than it does than your necessarily what your activities like. So I'll give you an example. If we took a world champion marathon runner and we had him go on a run outside

Starting point is 01:11:02 and a relaxing run in nature, that could be very meditative for that individual I could see somebody's very out of shape pushing themselves Could cause a sympathetic state, but here's another example I know when I used to train clients so when I would train You know between six to ten people in a day and this is back when I used to eat how do they how do they define it right now? Is it by heart rate? It's it's it's this has to do with your central nervous system So they don't so they don't define it by heart rate? It's, it's, this has to do with your central nervous system.

Starting point is 01:11:26 So they don't, so they don't define it by heart rate? Not necessarily, well, I mean heart rate is part of it, yes. Heart rate can be a part of it, but it has to do with your neurotransmitter production, it has to do with your catacole amines, your hormones, what you're all saying. For example, for example, you could be sitting down right now and a fucking spider the size of this table could come out of the ceiling. And for sure, without moving, you'd go sympathetic real fast. You scared the show.

Starting point is 01:11:47 Yeah, you'd be... Exactly. That's my worst nightmare. Oh my god. But like, when I used to train clients back in the day, I'd have like, you know, eight people in a day, and I would also eat six to eight times a day. And I remember this was a very terrible way of eating. Client would leave, I'd have five minutes to eat a full meal before my next client.

Starting point is 01:12:05 So I'd sit there standing at my desk and I'd fucking chow a down. For sure, a sympathetic state of eating. I wasn't running, I wasn't moving. I was standing there with my ass cheeks clenched because I'm fucking going real quick, trying to eat this food real fast before my next client comes in.

Starting point is 01:12:21 That is a sympathetic state to be in. And then we meet with people like Paul Chek, who talks about prayer before food or mindfulness, and you can see the state that he places his body in when he eats, what's his name talked about this also, what's his name, Pekoski, talked about this as well, you know, about the state of mind, you go into your food and out of your food,

Starting point is 01:12:42 and then again, meeting with Tom and Lisa Billu, and Lisa Billu has had some gut issues. And the expert that she's working with told her meditate before you eat and after you eat. Now, we're talking about somebody with really, really bad gut issues, but that change in state of mind has made a tremendous, she says tremendous benefit in how she digest food. So walk, it's how you walk. You know what I mean? Like Adam, when you go for a walk, post me, what do you, what do you, what do you talk about taking your dogs,

Starting point is 01:13:09 go barefoot, I'm assuming it's this really relaxing. Oh yeah, it's extremely relaxing and slow. Yeah, yeah, it's not strenuous at all. No, no, no, no. And that's the same thing. That's the way my family does it. Like after we eat, especially if we have a big family dinner and my dad wants to go on a walk, we walk,

Starting point is 01:13:23 we have good conversation. It's, you know. It's relaxing and there's something that Jessica practices, which is called, she calls it meditative walking or slow walking, where she, I mean, if you were to see her walking would look absurdly slow. But literally what she's doing is she's focusing on every point of contact on her foot

Starting point is 01:13:42 as she's stepping and being extremely mindful of every single step. And that is a very, very parasympathetic state. But walking post food, one of the other reasons why I like it so much when we mentioned this earlier in the episode is when you attach activity to a ritual that you do every single day, you tend to be more consistent with it. This is why people when they work out in the morning, people who work out in the morning tend to be more consistent than people who work out in the morning. People who work out in the morning tend to be more consistent

Starting point is 01:14:05 than people who work out in the evening after work. And I think it has to do with the fact that when you wake up in the morning, it's part of your ritual. You do it before anything gets in the way. Whereas when you wait till the end of work, that workout could be pushed out one or two or three hours, depending on what's happening during the day, becomes less ritualized and becomes something

Starting point is 01:14:23 that you can push out. Six S I've had, especially with clients with prime and pinpointing where, what we could do in order to improve a lot of these deficiencies was to just apply that sequence. So whether it's band pull apart, whether it's hip flexor based mobility and they would do that first thing. Like after they woke up in the morning

Starting point is 01:14:49 and they kind of went through this ritual, then set themselves up for the day. And then the rest of the day is like activity and then they keep hitting on those points throughout the day. But it's like you said, it's getting consistency by ritualizing. Mm-hmm. I mean, test this out yourself.

Starting point is 01:15:06 If you ever have like, you know, sharp gaspains post meal or you feel bloated, try it out. Go for a 20 minute slow stroll and watch what happens. First of all, if you have gaspains, the movement will help facilitate the movement. And load out, yeah. You'll actually, I mean, you'll find out, man. You'll find yourself, you know, letting the gas out

Starting point is 01:15:26 or whatever and feeling a lot better. It's definitely makes a huge difference. It's something that I've been doing since I was a kid and I kind of took for granted until, you know, you brought it up at him and now it's a part of your daily, I guess, ritual. Do you do it after just dinner? I try and do it after any meal that I can,

Starting point is 01:15:43 like, but for sure after we have dinner. For sure after we have dinner, it's definitely when we eat out. So if we ever get lazy on it, it might be after a late night dinner, a late meal for us at our house, but if Katrina and I are eating out, it's mandatory for us. And it's just, I mean, it's easy, too. Well, I feel like, too, I'm killing two birds, maybe three birds with one stone by doing this because it's also created an incredible time for her and I. It's a great quality time.

Starting point is 01:16:13 I mean, there's no distractions. We don't bring our phones. I'm saying, we're not walking together and working on our phones or anything like that. So it's just her and I, walking out in nature and just kind of conversing and it's crazy to me because there's a very distinct switch from one side to the other. The first like, I don't know, quarter mile of walking is kind of like settling down completely. And then once we've walked about a quarter mile, you can hear the conversation. You can tell the way we're moving and talking back and forth, it becomes very relaxing for us.

Starting point is 01:16:47 But it's something that I've found has been really important, not just for my digestion and some of that, which is what we're talking about right now, but even for my relationship. And even if you don't have a partner, I've learned to start practicing this by today. I was obviously all by myself. I got up, I had a cup of coffee, some breakfast, and then I went on a really long walk for about three, four miles, and it was all by myself, and I had my headphones in, I was listening to something relaxing.

Starting point is 01:17:11 Anything you could do, or you're not just plopping from the TV, like being mindless and not talking to your partner, it's like it's gonna benefit your relationship in the rest of your day. So as much as I can practice that, whether it's walking or just doing stuff around the house, or whatever. It's so crazy to can practice that, whether it's walking or just like, doing stuff around the house or whatever. It's so crazy to me because I used to knock it

Starting point is 01:17:28 when I was a young trainer. It's, I feel so bad too, because I'd have clients, oh, I go for a walk and I'll be like, pff, you're not doing anything. We're not burning very much doing that. But getting older now and seeing the other value besides just calories, like a, sure, when you go for a go for the three mile walk

Starting point is 01:17:45 that I took this morning, yeah, I didn't burn 500 plus calories doing it. But the other benefits that come with that, I think, sometimes I think can supersede the calorie expenditure that most people are chasing. If you just go by calories being burned, you're missing out on 80% of the other benefits. It's also a fantastic practice to do if you have kids.

Starting point is 01:18:06 Now I have yet to really implement this with my kids, but now that we're talking about this, this is just, it's extending the family time, take 15 minutes, and also because it's ritualized, I feel like if you connect it to the post meal, like this is what we do after we eat dinner, I feel like the kids will just do it automatically with us or not complain about it because it's not out of the blue. Take this is what we do after we dinner. I feel like the kids will just do it automatically with us or not complain about it

Starting point is 01:18:25 Because it's not out of the blue. Like this is what we do after we we all go for a walk and you're absolutely right It's the the conversation is fantastic. You know, there's we we talked in that episode This is why the Ben Greenful episode we did was one of my favorite episodes And we should probably revisit this type of a conversation more often and I'm trying to get in the habit of Paying more attention so I can then give this information to our audience because Really a lot of the the success that I've had later on in life is is creating these little tiny rituals For example what comes to mind too is You know, it's important for me to spend I don't have kids right so my kids are like my dog

Starting point is 01:19:00 So spending time with my boys and playing with the dogs and giving them attention Just because just like kids if you neglect the dogs and I don't ever walk them, I don't ever spend time with them, then they chew shit, they're bad. They behave well when I spend time with them. So, you know, and then over the last year and half two years, my mobility has been a major thing that I've been working on. And, you know, when I first would spend time with the dogs, I'd have to sit down on the couch or lay down on the ground and play with them. So that, where now I can sit in a very comfortable

Starting point is 01:19:28 astagrass squat. And so I intentionally will do that. So I'll walk up to them, get all the way down into my squat, I'll open my hips up, I'll posture kind of up, and then I'll play with them and stuff, and just creating those types of habits, it's, I'm not really having to even exercise that hard, but I'm also training my body to be comfortable in that position.

Starting point is 01:19:47 And I've seen it now, pay dividends in my training. Absolutely. It's interesting, because this year was a big thing, a shift, you know, trying to like, you know, figure out like what was really causing this chronic, like, inflammation as far as acid reflux and all that and get a handle over that. But also it was just like trying to contribute a bit more, you know, around the house and all that and get a handle over that. But also it was just like trying to contribute a bit more, you know, around the house and all that. And so I just like, I didn't like make it a firm thing for me, but I just started to notice that I would do this

Starting point is 01:20:14 and then I just tried to replicate this as much as possible where I wouldn't sit down until like 8, 39 o'clock after I put the boys to sleep. And it was like game changer, because if I'm coming in the house and then I'm just like, oh, and then I sit down, good luck, like getting me back up. Get momentum to keep going.

Starting point is 01:20:33 It's not that I was in a state of stress or anything. Like I just would casually kind of cruise around and talk and converse, and then just inevitably you're doing things. You're putting things away. You're just more productive. The household is more in a state of chill. That was like a huge thing.

Starting point is 01:20:53 And then put my phone, we talked about that. I would go put it on the charger, and then revisit it to see what was going on. But yeah, those two things alone were huge. Rich, ritualizing things is, this is like, humans have been ritualizing things forever. There's a reason why ritual exists in the first place and we take for granted why we have rituals

Starting point is 01:21:13 and we make fun of them, but the reason why they exist in the first place is it is a very simple, easy way and a very brilliant way that our brains put things in categories and help us remember them. When you wake up in the morning, I guarantee you have a morning ritual. Everybody does. You brush your teeth the same way at the same time, either before or after you go to the bathroom and you shower a particular way, and you put your shoes on a particular way, and we tend to do these things

Starting point is 01:21:39 and we take them for granted. And if you throw something in into a ritual that you already have established, the likelihood that you'll do it more consistently is much higher. If I say I need to walk three times a day and that's that much more difficult than if I attach that walk to my workout. The supplement industry was brilliant in designing some of their supplements.

Starting point is 01:22:00 Pre-post workout, they were brilliant in that because they ritualized taking supplements because it's ritual around your workout that you're not gonna miss because obviously you're into working out. So it's just a fantastic technique and eating is, I can't think of something people don't do more consistently than eating every day, right?

Starting point is 01:22:17 That's the most consistent thing we do. Which is also why I think that's one of the most important times to make a ritual of moving. Exactly right, because around that, because we do tend to eat more than we need as a society. So creating a ritual around that habit, with a good habit, I think. Pizza, football is not a good ritual.

Starting point is 01:22:36 And who did that, right? Look at all the advertisers and shit that of course. Exactly, exactly. Look at TV dinners. TV dinners by the way, brilliant. You know before that, people didn't really sit down. It wasn't that big thing to sit down in front of TV. It was the food manufacturers that are like,

Starting point is 01:22:51 hey, this is a great way to eat, sit in front of the TV, eat your food, and now that's what everybody says. You know what, I wonder how many family members. It'd be interesting to see how many of our listeners, I love a thread on our forum to get going on this, of how many people actually sit down and do family dinners,

Starting point is 01:23:05 or is it really common in households now that just grab your plate and sit front TV on? Turn your TV on. Turn your TV or your phone or this. Did you guys, I had, we had every night family dinners. I did have family dinners. That was something that my parents did. That was a big deal.

Starting point is 01:23:17 It's such a good thing. Yeah, that was a big deal that we had family dinners together. So, but I know a lot of people that don't. I know. Mm-hmm. Next question is from Miss Fitnerdy. What is something you've said on the podcast before that you have since learned is not true

Starting point is 01:23:32 or has been disproven? Oh, I can think of two off the top of my head. Oh, right away. Yeah, right away. One is pre-workout supplements. So when we've, when we first started Mind pump we we railed against Supplements and most supplements and pre workouts in particular, but We gave people a recipe to create their own pre workout and in some of the stuff that you know

Starting point is 01:23:55 I had put in there was like branching amino acids glutamine Arganine citralline and then you then caffeine and beta-align stuff like that. I said, here, mix it yourself, buy the powder yourself, and then you have yourself a good pre-workout. Since then, really, there's only maybe two things that really may benefit you pre-workout. That's a stimulant of some sort like caffeine. Really, it's about the performance that you're putting in your workout. It's the long-term benefits if it helps you work out better or whatever,

Starting point is 01:24:27 yes, in some cases it may not benefit you? Beta-align in the case of stamina can help people out. That's actually been proven, but you know, BCAAs and glutamine and stuff like that, I'm not gonna do anything for you. Really, if you get enough protein, it's not gonna help you out at all. And we actually took that off our site. I think we had that recipe on there for a while. Yeah, that for a while. And we took that down, yeah. The other one I can think about is how we talked

Starting point is 01:24:51 about foam rolling. That was the first one that stuck out. And I think it was after, like we had actually dove into Dr. Spina and like his explanation of like how that all worked. And so that was interesting because not only that, but then after that, we realized how different it was for how we were explaining it about myel fascial release

Starting point is 01:25:14 and how it was not really happening. Yeah, in that process, that's what led us to create prime after that too. We figured out the central nervous system and now that plays a role. Exactly, because I used to think of, and I remember thinking of this way because a massage therapist explained it to me this way

Starting point is 01:25:30 and I thought this was, oh, that kinda makes sense. And this is the way I used to explain it and I was totally wrong. But if you look at muscle fibers, if you look at a picture of anatomy, look at muscle fibers, they all run parallel to each other, right? And they go from attachment to attachment.

Starting point is 01:25:45 So it's like a bunch of lines running parallel. And the way that was explained to me was that sometimes these fibers get entangled and bundled around each other. And you have to press on them to get them, dis-tangled or whatever, or kind of get them to straighten out a little bit. Oh, see, I was always taught, it was like adhesions that would build up like scar tissue,

Starting point is 01:26:06 the opposite direction the fibers would run. Right, also wrong. That was breaking it up. Yeah, also wrong, right. And then, you know, really what we learned as we did the podcast, and we learned this pretty quickly, it was like six months into podcasting,

Starting point is 01:26:18 was that no, no, no, when you apply pressure, it's all central nervous system. Has nothing to do with the muscle fibers getting jumbled or any of that shit or adhesions building. It's literally telling all central nervous system, has nothing to do with the muscle fibers getting jumbled or any of that shit or adhesion's building. It's literally telling the central nervous system to relax and then those muscle fibers relax. And that's pretty much it. So on that note, something else that reminds me of

Starting point is 01:26:34 that we said that was wrong or that we clowned on that later on that we saw a value in where the vibrating plates. Yes, that was a big one. Along the same exact line of that, we were talking a lot of shit about the vibrating plates when they first come out, but when we found out more of the science behind it

Starting point is 01:26:48 that supports in what it does, as far as relaxing the central nervous system through the vibration, still allows you to take like somebody into a deep squat. You can feel it too. Oh, I mean, I remember we just didn't really not explain it and I think that it was very gimmicky, you know, the way that like,

Starting point is 01:27:03 oh, I just wanna do a squat and this, oh, I do a lunge on it, but like, they didn't really get into the purpose of it. And so we dove into that and was like, oh, yeah, there's some values. It was what it does, because we made fun of it. We said, oh, stupid, just squat and regular surface, this sat in the other.

Starting point is 01:27:16 And then I got a membership at club sport, or we were all going there and they had one of those vibrating planes. And I was sitting on it, or standing on it, and doing a squat and turning it on and just messing with it. And I realized that I could get much deeper. And then I thought about it for a second, like, you know, the powerful vibrations are literally tricking my CNS into relaxing.

Starting point is 01:27:35 It's almost like, like anytime you use vibration in your body, that's what it does, it sends that signal to the CNS. I think this is how vibrators work even when when you use vibrators. And that's why I can cause those kinds of reactions. And so it's just telling the CNS. I think this is how vibrators work even when when we use vibrators and that's why I can cause those kinds of reactions And so it's just telling the CNS to kind of relax because the powerful you know vibration then you get a greater range of motion and So we had to dig a orgasm. Yes. Yeah, so we had to kind of we had to kind of take it back

Starting point is 01:27:58 You know what we said originally about that right? So I remember that well, I'm trying to think what else that I remember that would that's been disproved Oh Electronical, I mean, I thought that was a word. I got disproven. Although I'm still fighting for that though. I really have like, so I'll just use technologies and I feel like Electronicals would have been better to use that. We're developing your own glossary. Yeah. We're just gonna list all these and come here. Right. If you count all the library of words, yeah. if you count all the words I've made up when this show, then there's a lot of things

Starting point is 01:28:27 that have been disperse. Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to remember what else that we were, well, you know, along the way, you know, it's funny, along the way. We correct it right away though. That's the reason why I think I don't remember. I know we've had a lot more than just that.

Starting point is 01:28:38 For sure. But what we do, and what we've always promised to do on this show is that if there's anything that we ever talk about that we're disproven about, we'll immediately come out and call it out right away. So I don't think there's, I think there's been a lot of things that just don't stand out because we make mistakes all the time. You know, we say something and it's like, oh shit, you know what, I read something that's actually not true. It's more like this. And then we explain, or we get people, I mean, now we have a forum that's full of fucking people way smarter than all of us.

Starting point is 01:29:07 And they are real quick to let us know. You know what I'm saying? We say something on the show and then we get on our forum or we get DMs. It's mainly details, like facts, things. And it's just like, oh yeah, I totally fucked up. Oh, I got one, I got one, right? It was really wrong.

Starting point is 01:29:22 And when we were talking about childbirth and I was talking about how dangerous childbirth was for most human civilization, how lots of women died from it, how it was, now the potential for childbirth is dangerous for sure, but it's not nearly as dangerous as I thought it was. The reason why we have such a bad history of it in Western medicine is the way we would do childbirth.

Starting point is 01:29:44 It was filthy. We'd have women on their backs and we treated it as a medical emergency. And I watched this whole documentary on natural childbirth and how different the process was when it was done with like a midwife who understood the natural process. And so I did some deeper digging. And then we had someone in the forum who's a midwife and she corrected me. She's like, no, you're wrong, Sal. So I went back and apologized to her and she was absolutely right,

Starting point is 01:30:06 but I remember that because that was a mind blowing one for me. And then I think I said something recently about Australia not helping World War One or World War Two. That was wrong too. You guys are, there we go. You guys helped out quite a bit. You're on your own with that one. Yeah, you know me.

Starting point is 01:30:20 Next question is from Michael Sousel. As the masculine men you guys are, how would you approach trying to raise an LGBT son or daughter? Oh wow. What a controversial creation thought provoking question. You know, you know, it's funny. I'd be lying if I said I never thought about it. I mean, I think everybody has thought about it. Of course. You know why I've thought about this? Here's a deal for me, okay? If my kid is a good person, I don't care. I really don't, I don't give a shit.

Starting point is 01:30:52 If you're a good person, it's not that big. Now, the part that I do care about is, is this going to pose different challenges for you in society and in life? And thankfully, these days, it's less and less of an issue. And so that may be the thing that would change my approach. I may say things like, okay, look, you know, your people may judge you

Starting point is 01:31:15 or you may be in a situation where somebody may look at you differently as a result. And so I may, you know, I may talk to them about that type of stuff. But if my kid was fulfilled and happy, like, and I know this is as a masculine man you are. Masculinity isn't about being macho and about liking women.

Starting point is 01:31:33 Masculinity for me at least is just about taking responsibility, protecting your family, and having integrity. But I don't even know if that's necessarily masculine as much as that's so. I think you could consider us. I don't think we if that's necessarily masculine as much as I think I think you could consider as I'm not I don't think we're macho men, you know, I think we're masculine I don't think I don't think there's anything wrong with being a masculine. No, I just I think it's a healthy good thing

Starting point is 01:31:54 The word is not to be the word has been perverted a little bit. You know what I mean to mean something totally now It's like toxic, you know, it's unfortunate that that it's toxic. It shouldn't be toxic It's not the wrong with it whatsoever. I think my atchalmin is a little bit different. And if you think, I think if you have that, if you attach yourself to it, and this wouldn't bother me. Like I've thought about this.

Starting point is 01:32:16 For me, if, and when I have kids, or when, and if I have kids, if they're healthy, like that's, my biggest fear is that, is if I had a child that was disabled or a special need. Which is already to find the odds, because of like how many variables are out there, like when your kid is being brought up, like you never know, like the genetic hand is giving

Starting point is 01:32:39 and passing on and like we're gonna have to battle. So obviously that's priority one. Right, so for me, I mean having a healthy child would 100% be the number one concern that I would have or the biggest thing that would scare me or worry me, like, oh my God, because I don't know if I'd be ready for that. I mean, I know I would because I would do whatever it takes,

Starting point is 01:32:59 but that would be really, really tough. This is a tough question, because I mean, my first reaction is I wouldn't treat him any differently than I would you know like whether or not they're straight or like you know like just male-female like it there's a person you know they're a person I'm gonna I'm gonna try and instill as many like good values in them as I can and in morality and like thinking about other people and you know those type of values and carrying that on. But yeah, it's like, what are you gonna do?

Starting point is 01:33:29 As a parent, you understand how little you actually control. And that's the biggest lesson I think that, you know, parenting has taught me so far as like as much as, I feel like I'm steering, you get humbled, you know, the entire way through and it's just like, wow, I can, I just try and like plant seeds, plant seeds, plant seeds as much as I can, but to have an opinion,

Starting point is 01:33:55 like I'm gonna change this, and I'm gonna make them this way, and all this, like good fucking luck with that idea. Well, I'm curious to what you both believed. Do you believe that it's a 100% genetic or do you think social also plays a role in this? No, both, both. It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 01:34:10 It's a nature. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. That's always a question, right? That's like the thing like, does it matter? I was born this way. I don't have a choice. If you do have a choice, it shouldn't matter anyway.

Starting point is 01:34:20 If you're an adult, you're not hurting anybody. That's fine. And look, here's my evidence for it being also a choice. There's definitely a genetic component. We can see this with twins studies. So we find that when there's twins, identical twins, if one of them is gay, then the likelihood that the other one will be gay

Starting point is 01:34:36 is much, much, much higher. So there's definitely a genetic component. But there's also a choice component. I mean, people do homosexual things in situations that where they're normally, you know, straight people do homosexual things in different situations all the time. Girls may do this to get sometimes attention at bars,

Starting point is 01:34:54 men in prison may do this or at war may do this. Depending on the culture, it's been accepted in all their other cultures. You know, ancient Greek societies were very, did lots of things that were accepted. So I definitely think there's, it's both the way I raise my kids is to have good character, integrity, and to respect themselves.

Starting point is 01:35:15 And that's pretty much it. So, if you're staying along those lines, I'm gonna keep challenging you guys since you're the two that have kids. I don't have kids. And so I'm curious too, if you, like Justin with your boys, well I guess this wouldn't happen

Starting point is 01:35:28 because you have two boys. You probably don't have Barbies laying around anywhere. But if you had a, your boy was gravitating towards, like feminine toys, right? So like dolls, things like that, wanting to dress up as that. Would you encourage him to play with trucks and do guns and things like that at that at

Starting point is 01:35:47 an age or in South, you have a male and a female. So I'm curious if you ever saw any behaviors like this where your son gravitated to more feminine type of things of play and then you're in your all to be. I mean, let's be like radically honest about this. Like I honestly, like I would start with the guns and the tanks and the fucking, you know, that cause that's where I'm coming from. You know, but like, it's cause what you like to play. That's what I like to play.

Starting point is 01:36:14 And so I would start with that and then kind of see what would happen. Like, you know, it would be something that would reveal itself, I would think. You know, down the road. But like as far as raising them, like in them being, you know, a male, and I'm a male, like I'm gonna raise them like the way that I kind of came up. And so it's just natural for me to like, okay, I was into this, let's see if they're into this,

Starting point is 01:36:38 you know, and if they're not, then here's where we start figuring it out. I think people put, first of all, statistically speaking a this is established in psychology and they've done studies for this for decades So this is not controversial to say but boys tend to be more into things and girls tend to be more into people So girls tend to want to play with dolls and they want to talk to each other boys I play with trucks and guns and shit like that. This is just been established. Can you separate the The you know society from that and the genetics from that? They've tried and it seems like there's a big genetic component and evolutionary speaking we can make an argument for it.

Starting point is 01:37:13 But at the end of the day, I just don't make a big deal about it. I think if I kid wants to play with barbies, then that's what we're playing with. Well, that's so... I guess my question is then neither of you have had to deal with this yet where your Sons have gravitated towards something that's more feminine and you've been in more encouraging to go the other direction or vice versa You guys haven't had to deal with that I tend to encourage things that I want to play with you know I'm saying only because that's what I like to do right not because I know I get what you guys are doing But so no one's dealt with that yet. So no one's so

Starting point is 01:37:43 Even me growing up like I was always trying to crack jokes and like make like do things that were silly and whatnot. And so like I had, my best friend was a girl. And so like we would actually wear wigs and shit. And like, you know, like pretend to like be characters and stuff and so my dad saw that, you know, maybe that freaked him out for a minute. You know, maybe he was like, oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:38:05 But like, to me, it's like, like, my youngest is very much like me, like, he'll just goof. And so he'll put something on and like act and prance around like he's, you know, like a little bit feminine and whatnot. And I think it's hilarious, you know. And so it's, to me, it's just harmless. They're just kind of figuring things out. And, um, yeah, man, man, I don't freak out. You know, or like have this like, oh, he has to be super macho and masculine and like,

Starting point is 01:38:30 you know, whatever he's going to be who he's going to be. Yep. And I'm into what I'm into, so I'm not going to like go, you know, buy a bunch of barbies and shit and be like, you know, I just, now I know some parents that do things like that, right? Where they try and make it so. Like social experiment. Right.

Starting point is 01:38:47 So neutral and they will put. They're making a big deal about it. Right. Exactly. It's political at that point. It's no different than making a big deal about having to be masculine or having to be feminine. That also is making a big deal.

Starting point is 01:38:58 Oh no, everything is super neutral. We don't use, you know, we don't say these are boy toys. Just don't make a fucking big deal about it't say these are boy toys, just don't make a fucking big deal about it and let your kid do their thing and that's kind of it. And I mean, at the end of the day, I just don't want to raise weak kids. I just don't want my kids to be weak. I want them to have strong character. If that means you're a gay boy or a lesbian girl, you're still going to have fucking strong character. You're still going to respect yourself. You're still not going to promiscuous because you feel like you need to have people's attention.

Starting point is 01:39:27 If you're a promiscuous person because you're really like sex and you're really confident in yourself and in your body, then that's fine too. But these are all lessons that I would instill in my kids regardless of what or who they're attracted to. To me, it doesn't make a big difference And I think we'd have less issues as a result But what I think is gonna happen moving forward look it's we went through the generation where it became

Starting point is 01:39:55 Kind of cool for girls to show To show like affect to show attention to other girls in bars and shit. Cause that kinda started when we were growing up. Like before that, girls weren't making out with each other to get attention. Then it started happening. It started seeing, you know what's gonna, I guarantee it's gonna start happening soon. You're gonna start seeing guys do this.

Starting point is 01:40:16 I guarantee you it's gonna start being cool for people. And you know what, whatever. You guys wanna kiss each other cause you get an attention, that's fine. Like do your thing. But I guarantee that's gonna happen. I feel like he's setting the table to lay one on us, dude. I feel like, I feel like,

Starting point is 01:40:28 I feel like, it's cool now, guys. It's totally normal. It's totally okay. Don't think. I'm gonna put my tongue in there. I'm gonna start freaking around. Let me ask you, I don't know, dude. I feel like you're setting Justin and I up right now.

Starting point is 01:40:39 Let me ask you guys a question. Oh, look, this house only has three bedrooms. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you guys a question. Do you think for, if that was a way for guys to really get female attention and get girls with it? Do you think you'd see guys doing that? Well, that's natural. That's evolution, because you're trying to reproduce, right?

Starting point is 01:40:54 So of course, if that was the key. But anyway, my point is like, no, it doesn't matter what's, however, it's about having strong character, it's about having responsibility, and it's about having good integrity. Just don't try and kiss me after them sardines, bro. At least give it's about having responsibility. And it's about having good integrity. Just don't try and kiss me after them sardines, bro. At least give it to me before that.

Starting point is 01:41:09 Before the sardine? Yeah. I don't like your mustache. Hey, the whiskers on your feet. Just, Justin will be a way better person. I'm gonna start growing. No, I'm growing a beard. He definitely would make out.

Starting point is 01:41:18 Justin, I don't know, man. You're way more vulnerable. I'm kind of sloppy, dude. You were talking about my golden sheen the other day on my stand. It was making me real uncomfortable. It was pretty like magnificent. Yeah, I appreciate it. You can check it out in the comments.

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