Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 798: Best 1-Rep Max Protocol, How to Fix Childhood Obesity, Regrets & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:40 done ever. Yes. In the history of Instagram. They are one of our sponsors. If you go to butcherbox.com, forward slash mind pump, you will get ready for this. Free bacon forever. What?

Starting point is 00:00:53 Free bacon for life. Plus $10 off your first order and free shipping. Is that like a weird strategy? Like to get people to sign up, but then knowing if they ate bacon like crazy because it's unlimited, they die. Yeah, man. They calculate that. It's in fact free cigarettes for life. crazy because it's unlimited, they die. Yeah, man. They calculate that.

Starting point is 00:01:06 Three cigarettes for life. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, they're baking quality so good and it's minimally processed. So it's the healthiest bacon. No, this is true. Fine. Oh, we also mentioned thrive market versus whole foods and Adam discovered that thrive market sells pay food.

Starting point is 00:01:23 I did not. No, this just goes to show you too. How this was again, not a planned commercial whatsoever. We were just talking about, I don't know how we got into it. Eliminating middleman. Yeah, eliminating middleman and then how great that is. You talked about Thrive and how great they were. And then somehow, oh, I just talked,

Starting point is 00:01:35 because I just bought dog food yesterday from Petco and they have the thing for Petco delivery. And I'm like, why am I still picking this up? And then Doug all of a sudden pulls up on the screen, what an asshole I am. I had no idea that Thrive Market, which I already ordered from every single month, could be shipping me my dog food.

Starting point is 00:01:52 I'm stupid. And now we gotta hook up for you with them. If you go to thrivemarket.com, forward slash mine pump, you will get one month free, $20 off, $3 orders of $49 and more, and free shipping. Then we talked about our testosterone test that we just did through Everly Well, $20 off three orders of $49 and more and free shipping. Then we talked about our testosterone test

Starting point is 00:02:07 that we just did through Everly Well and how mine was the highest. No surprise. You're the winner. But we also talked about we're gonna go on some testosterone boosting protocols and then we're gonna do more tests to see how what we're doing affects our testosterone levels. Last one, Everly Well is one of our sponsors. If you go

Starting point is 00:02:25 to EverlyWell.com and to the code MindPump, you get 15% off any test. Part of the testosterone boosting protocol was Adam using the Juve Red Light. You can go to j0ovv.com, forward slash MindPump and get a discount on their red light therapy. And finally, we talked about the value of talk therapy that was something personal for me. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, is there any reason to even attempt a one rep max? And if so, what is the best way about going about it?

Starting point is 00:03:00 So should you test out your strength? Should you do that? And if we do think you should do that, how should you do that? Hopefully, don't piss off all the crossfitters. That's right. Next question was, are thoughts on childhood obesity and what may be causing it definitely an epidemic,

Starting point is 00:03:15 definitely a scary epidemic? Or a trigger warning? One that may actually bankrupt us if we don't solve it. So we speculate as to why we think that issue is happening. The next question was, do we have any regrets at all? Great discussion this part of the episode. Finally, what are the top three books that each of us have decided have impacted our lives?

Starting point is 00:03:37 The most, we all mentioned books that we think were important for our development. And we also mentioned, or at least I mentioned some YouTube videos that I watched that important for our development. And we also mentioned, or at least I mentioned some YouTube videos that I watched that really changed my paradigm. Or at least got me to think a little bit differently. Also, it's important to note, this month, Maps Anywhere is half off.

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Starting point is 00:04:39 It's also discounted off of the retail price of just buying all these programs individually by almost or over I should say 30 percent. You can find all of those programs at minepumpmedia.com. I think minepump has officially arrived. What happened? So I used to always think this was really strange about our business that we really don't receive a lot of hate and I used to think it was because- Was it because we're getting hell of hate? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:07 Yeah. All right. Yes, finally. Well, I mean, like, for example, you just did an incredible back-to-back videos on YouTube. You did a great video on split. You did an incredible body part split versus a full body workout routines that just went live a day ago.

Starting point is 00:05:23 And you just did a killer one on protein. Both are just great videos. There's very few videos that we do that I turn around and watch again, and I watched it and enjoyed it because the information you provided was so valuable, and you could see how comfortable you are with now talking on just one camera,

Starting point is 00:05:39 which I know how weird that is. So, and then I read the comments, and it's like a 50, 50 split. Like, it's such a great video that there's always gonna be people that are like, oh my God, that was awesome. They share it. But then there's just people that are just straight hating and trolling. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:05:53 Have no idea who you are. Talking shit. And even the stuff they're talking shit about is like, oh, this is hilarious. Like, you obviously don't know who Sal is or who Mind Pump is whatsoever. But we've gotten to that large of a scale now that a video goes out and it instantly sees seven to 10,000 people and it's inevitable seven to 10,000 because it's being shared

Starting point is 00:06:13 and it's being put on, it's being, you know, recommended on other pages and shit like that. So we're definitely attractive. Plus, you know, here's the thing, if you say things that matter, okay, you're gonna get people pushing back. If you never say anything that matters, you'll never get push back. So it's just the reality.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Now of course you get tons of hate, that's different. It could be a signal that you're maybe an asshole or whatever. Right, right. But if you say thing that really, really matter, then you're gonna start some conversations and there's gonna be people who are gonna disagree with you and that's okay. And YouTube is like, people used to always say that, you'll see when you guys will get all this.

Starting point is 00:06:49 And I'm like, man, I'm really surprised because the businesses running and we're doing well and all these things are going great. And I really feel like we've been well received and we get a lot of great reviews. And I really didn't feel like we ever get any hate put. And maybe it's YouTube too, like YouTube is just. So the people on YouTube are different.

Starting point is 00:07:07 They're like podcast people. Yeah, it's like a cesspool of hatred. Bro, you go through some videos on YouTube. I've seen the most racist, sexist, terrible shit that no one would say in public ever. And I see in the comments in YouTube, and I don't know if it's because it's super anonymous, or because it draws that kind of crowd.

Starting point is 00:07:23 It's a lot of the same thing, like you see, with online gaming, you know, there's a lot of that too, where I don't know, it still exists, like people will just like talk shit and say, race this stuff, because they feel just like, I don't know, they get something from it, like they're anonymous and they can get away with it and they can sail this shit.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Well, you could argue it's another, it's not check them on it. It's a type of bullying, right? Yeah. It's a type of bullying that people are doing and that they can sail this shit. Well, you can argue it's another, not check them on it. It's a type of bullying, right? Yeah. It's a type of bullying that people are doing and that they can get away with. And I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people on the other side of that are bunch of little weasels

Starting point is 00:07:53 that in real life, they could never bully somebody. Which is kind of funny, right? Where we're at now. So we're all this anti-bullying stuff going on, but in reality, we're probably bullying people more now because of the ability to do it virtually, because now guys that are, because when we grew up in school,

Starting point is 00:08:11 the bully was like a hundred pounds, 50 to 100 pounds bigger than you, like he just, you know, he hit puberty two years before. And he ran the risk if he bullied someone, there was always the risk that someone may fight back. Right. But when you're online and on him is like, there is no fight back, there is someone may fight back. Right. But when you're online and not on the slick, there is no fight back.

Starting point is 00:08:27 There is no risk of that. So you have a bunch of. And you don't have to be big and tough. You know what I'm saying? Which, or smart. Yeah. Right. So that's a lot like road rage.

Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah. Somebody talks a little bit. Oh, it just doesn't say drive off. You know, like, have you ever had to check someone in a road rage incident and seen the switch happen so quickly? Oh, yes. Oh, I had a guy yelling at me once,

Starting point is 00:08:50 and he was, oh, cussin' and get out of your car. What are, all I did was open my door, and he took off. Yeah. Cause you saw me start to come out of the car. Oh, shit, it's happening. I'm not here. Oh, my job is kidding. And he drives away.

Starting point is 00:09:01 Nothing is, and I try and tell Billis all the time, nothing is scarier in a situation like that Where someone screaming yelling acting all crazy then being the calm motherfucker who just walks right up Ready to get you throw down Stance nine times at a ten dude. I'm telling more than nine times a ten almost every time It's very rare. I'm trying to think of a time where I walked up on somebody like that And then we went we went after it Most people that are screaming acting all crazy when you walk up real calm and say,

Starting point is 00:09:29 ask them if this is what they wanna do. Yeah, the most of them are like, oh, you know, hey man, hey man. I was kidding, I was kidding. He's like, hey man, well you come on man. Are you sure, so you wanna fight right now? Cause we can, you know, no, no, no, no, I'm good. You know what's funny?

Starting point is 00:09:46 Because you see this sometimes with girls, women, in particular where they're, they'll, cuss and scream and say stuff, because they know that there's not gonna be any physical recourse. And so you'll see this sometimes when there's a girl with her boyfriend, you ever seen this at a bar?

Starting point is 00:10:02 Where the girl's talking shit to another guy? Cause her boyfriend is there. And she knows knows she hypes up her boy and you can see the look on the face where the guys like the boyfriends like listen you need to shut up because I'm the one that's gonna have to fight bro the best one of my favorite intros to a movie I shared with you just recently the way of the gun yeah the girls like running her mouth like crazy and it's like a fun 10 minute scene and you just think that it's gonna be this big bra and then Benicio del Toro just straight open hand slaps the Yeah, you know, I'm sitting here complimenting Sal on how how great of a video

Starting point is 00:10:33 I feel obligated to compliment you too, Justin. I think No, no because I had thought about it and I hadn't sent anything to you I think you have done the best commercial slash Instagram story than anybody else. And it was for butcher boss. Oh my God, that was so funny with the bacon that you did. I thought that was so close. How long did that take you to do that? Not long.

Starting point is 00:10:59 I mean, it was just one of those things. It's for me, it sucks because a lot of times I get random ideas and then I'm like, oh, this is kind of a good idea. Maybe I'll go with this and I've been trying a lot to think in terms of stories because that was one of those things. You know when you try something for a long time and then all of a sudden finally it clicks,

Starting point is 00:11:17 I'm like, oh, this is how people view stories and they want to actually like, okay, this part, yeah, and you line it up and so now my brain starting to kind of click in that direction so yeah I was I was happy that one was received well that's right you know we it's been a while we we we pride ourselves on being very open about our business and sharing things like that I think that's a really important thing for somebody else that's trying to to build their business to understand like how you how to utilize Instagram stories correctly I think Taylor out of all of us is probably the best. I think each of us

Starting point is 00:11:49 evolved and gotten better at taking a lot from him. Right. And you know not a lot of people know that when you I see this all the time on people's Instagram's where they you know they're trying to sell their shirt or their supplements drive here for a coupon like what a lot of kids don't know that are watching that and they're emulating that is that that gets like no clicks. Like you're not making it. If I put up a, which is why you don't ever see that on my click here, this is my sponsor. Yeah, buy that or get 20% off these supplements, like nobody buys that shit. Nobody clicks on that. Nobody is making any money on that. Even if you've got millions of followers, you may get a half a percent

Starting point is 00:12:22 of people doing that and that might seem like a little bit of money to you, but that's terrible. So not valuable. But if you actually put together a story that leads to something, you'll drive a significant amount more people to the actual length of your business. How often are you doing the butcher box? Are you monthly or every other month?

Starting point is 00:12:41 Yeah, I do every other month. Because we end up, I mean, we eat a lot of meat, you know, to begin with, but it's usually just for dinner. So it's not like I'm using that for lunch and breakfast and all that, like, so we usually kind of, I mean, it lasts for quite a while. It's such a brilliant thing that they did by doing that. I'm glad they did that. It goes either every month, every other month or every every three months, right? And it's frozen so it lasts forever. I went, so I actually bought some grass-fed meat whole foods the other day, which is more expensive

Starting point is 00:13:12 and it doesn't taste as good. Grass-fed meat, I mean, look, here's a deal. Grass-fed meat, healthier for you, but I'm gonna also be honest and say, it's brain-fed meat tastes better a lot of times. Yeah, because grass-fed meat sometimes has that gaming-ness to it, or it doesn't taste as, I don't know, doesn't have as much marbling or whatever,

Starting point is 00:13:30 which is what I like. The reality of it, is it? The taste how it's supposed to taste. That's right, that's right. But now that I know the difference, you know what I'm saying? But the butcher-box stuff is fucking good. If I didn't know it was grass fed, I would, I don't think I was yesterday. It's the best grass fed I've ever had, hands down. It's not even close If I didn't know it was grass fed, I would, I don't think I was yesterday.

Starting point is 00:13:45 It's the best grass fed I've ever had. Hands down. It's not even close because I don't, and even then, if you compare it to, you know, one that's been grain fed, it's gonna taste better. There's more fat and they're more marble. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:57 What's the cut that they, it's like a tri-tip, but they don't call it a tri-tip. Yeah. Yeah, it's a steak, it's like a, is it's sirloin tip? Yes, sirloin steak. Is that what it is? Somethingtip. Yeah, yeah, it's a steak. It's like a, is it sirloin tip? Yeah, is that what it is? Is that what it is? Yeah, something like that.

Starting point is 00:14:08 Yeah. What's up, Doug? I think it's sirloin cap. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Really good. Yeah. No, that's my favorite one actually out of the group.

Starting point is 00:14:17 And I do, I do make quite a bit of burger meat and stuff like that, like they have the patties too. So, but yeah, the bacon. I was like highlighting that primarily in the the bacon. I was like highlighting that. Primarily in this story, but I was like, so stoked, because literally my two boys eat so much fucking bacon, we fight over it. So I was really happy about that deal

Starting point is 00:14:35 that they had going on. Well, it's this whole model of a thrive market does the same thing, where they'll take products, deliver them directly to your door. What people don't realize is there's a lot of cost involved every time you have to include a new step in the distribution, producing and distribution process, right? And what grocery stores you have a lot of middlemen,

Starting point is 00:14:59 you know, it's not as direct like it is with these, these so many. You have someone that has to drive it there in the truck. You have something that has to unload it. And then they have to sell it. And then they have to put it in the shelf. And then you have somebody that has to scan it at the register. And then they have to sell it for a higher price in order to make their own profit.

Starting point is 00:15:13 And you also got to pay for the place. That's, I mean, the, the, the land. Oh, man, it's a, that's what I'm saying. So, so you have like, thrive markets and other good examples. That's why they're going to put everybody on it. Oh, dude. Doors like that. Have you calculated the, the, the savings? Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's why they're gonna put everybody on it. Oh, dude. Do doors like that and you do. Have you calculated that the savings?

Starting point is 00:15:25 Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's like half. No. It's a big savings. I used to just go to Whole Foods and I'm gonna, I'll be all admit, I'm one of those people that sometimes doesn't even look at the price. I just buy it because, you know, quality of food is so important to me

Starting point is 00:15:38 that I'm willing to spend a lot on it. I am or a lot more than I guess most people. Because it's important. But when I do the savings, when I calculate the savings, when I go to the thrive market versus Whole Foods, it's like, it's insane, it's like 25 to 50% lower on shit that I'm gonna buy anyway. And it's so convenient, because I'm trying to get to a point

Starting point is 00:15:59 where I have all my stuff like that. I have to, in fact, I just picked up the dog for the other day and I'm like, why am I still doing this? Because Petco does it. So there's all these wags, and I forget all these other companies that do this that I can get my dog food, literally delivered to my doorstep on a certain day, every single month or every other month.

Starting point is 00:16:16 However, I want to set it up. And the irony in all of this is that I just been too so lazy to get it set up. But it's like, I need to, because it frustrates me every time that I have to go to the store because I'm like, I have to go out of my way. So it was a last minute thing. It is a last minute thing.

Starting point is 00:16:29 Wait till a dog food's out. I'm like, ah, fuck, I gotta get to avoid some more food. Oh, there you go. There's some good ones up there. There's some green-free dog food. Oh, shit, the ride does dog food. I know, I throw my market food. That's a rad.

Starting point is 00:16:39 I'm gonna have to take advantage of that too. Are you kidding me, Doug? Yeah. Well, I feel like such an asshole right now. I actually didn't know that either. And it's all like non-GMO, you can buy lots of organic. What? Well, we'll go back up right there.

Starting point is 00:16:52 I think that's my dog food. Which one? The brown one, what? Organics, organic chicken, oatmeal dog food recipe. Then they have the wet dog food too. Because you mix it, don't you? No, I do half an, well, half and half and half, I don't literally mix it together.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Like, one, they eat twice a day, one meal I normally do is like raw chicken. I do like these and these patties that I get. But wow. It is good to see that the animal food, pet food is the quality of that now is gone up. Well, so let me tell you, I believe that I can't think of anything

Starting point is 00:17:20 of any more processed and popular food. I believe that anybody who's listening to this right now that has involved in anything to do with that world, it's a very smart trend to get on right now because the animals are behind the humans. Like we're starting to figure that out. We see how huge organic is going with humans, but the way that we treat our pets,

Starting point is 00:17:39 and we've watched this evolve in our time, like we now treat them like humans. Like everyone treats them like humans. So why would we not? I mean, it's expensive taking them to the vet. And it's like we could put all these preventative practices in place just like we would for ourselves to keep them healthy and cancer free.

Starting point is 00:17:57 And you know, it's just like, and when you look at, when you look at all the things that we talk about in humans, the rise of like autoimmune, the rise of obesity, the rise of diabetes, the rise of all these things. Our pets have been coming with us. Yes, the pets are on the same exact slope. So you're going to see the pendulum swing back and we kind of see it a little bit, but

Starting point is 00:18:14 there's still room for people I think to get into this space and make really good money, because I think this is going to be the future is definitely like the next trend. Yes. I wonder what, how many? Do I can't believe they sell dog? I feel like so. Do we know, do we know what, I don't know if you could find this dog, what percentage of pets are now on medication?

Starting point is 00:18:33 Because I would assume it's exploded and this is my own anecdote, but almost everybody I know has had a dog for a long time. Their dog has died of cancer. It's like super common. Very common. That's what I'm saying. It's very, and the stuff that they get, I hear these people doing, and I look at their dogs,

Starting point is 00:18:51 and I'm like, dude, this is crazy. I had this conversation with Katrina, because people that see the bulldogs, they always want to feed them more, give them, and they're not a lot. First of all, they don't eat table food at all. No human food, other than raw chicken or steak, or whatever, stuff like that, that I'm giving them. But these guys literally, they'll just keep eating. If you keep feeding,

Starting point is 00:19:10 it's cute though. They will. And they'll get just, they'll get so fat. And then their lifespan is only like seven years. And like half the reason why that is is because people are overfeeding them. Yeah. Well, yeah, I want to know what number is, that I'd love to look up and see, because if their health is starting to get really, really bad, I mean, there's something definitely going on. Dude, it is, I've seen the charts before. Have you? Yeah, no, that's why I'm talking about this.

Starting point is 00:19:36 This is why I think it's a smart space. When I was a kid, I even thought it was crazy. People just aren't talking about very much. We're still, people are still coming around to the organic thing with humans. I mean, even when I was a kid, I thought it was weird. I remember, we had a dog, and I remember looking at, all the dog every eats the same.

Starting point is 00:19:54 It's the same thing. Dog food, hard food, and it's super fake. Aren't these, didn't they evolve from wolves? Why are we giving them cereal? are we giving them like cereal? Yeah, they're the meat and like. Imagine if, imagine if all you ever ate was Cheerios, you know what I mean? Someone's poured dry Cheerios in your bowl, here you go.

Starting point is 00:20:12 Here's your meal, you know what I mean? And then you get cancer, like that's weird. How did he get cancer? Yeah, one of these lumps all over him. Gosh, damn it. Anyway, that's crazy. No luck to us, huh? No.

Starting point is 00:20:23 Oh wow. There might not be statistics for it. No, no, no, I've seen this. Yeah, I'll look for it later. I'll check it anyway. That's crazy. No luck Doug huh? No. There might not be statistics for it. No no no I've seen this. Yeah I'll look for it later. I'll check it out. Well now you know they've got the wet and the dry dog food. Although you know saying wet dog food it sounds kind of gross doesn't it? I see a bunch of one and a half pound too which is nothing. I need like a 20 pound 30 pound bag. Did you see any big bags? Oh there's a 13 pounder. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There's a 13 pounder right there too. It's a decent size. Good deal. I can't believe I didn't know this though on what does thrive not have? Maybe I should start thinking like, what am I what am I ordering from somewhere else?

Starting point is 00:20:55 I could be just having shit in my house. My other stuff with thrive. Oh, they have they have they have household home improvement. Yeah, they have cleaning cleaning supplies. They have which we know that we know that the clinic cleaning supplies Sal suds my favorite thing Doug you got to order some more of that have you guys tried the Sal suds? No, I'm not saying that just because it's saying it's a good product. I'm not saying because they're fans of my great brand. Yeah, they named it after me. It literally is a good soap. Yeah, it works really really well. Well, I think I think Justin wins the award for the best Instagram commercial though. That's the moral moral this.

Starting point is 00:21:27 Sal's winning the YouTube doing as far as the best YouTube. Sal's winning the best in the story. You know what? You know what? I'm sucking it everything out. Doug, did you do the intro guy, man? Doug, did you mail in your test-house? Did you mail in your test-house?

Starting point is 00:21:39 I didn't yet. Okay. I need to do that. Yeah, I want to see what's going on there because what I wanna try with everybody is to, we'll do some kind of a protocol. I've already got one, I've already started, I'm not sharing it. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:21:51 Not yet, I don't. I think it would be cool for all of us to share it. Oh, I was gonna wait. What? Yeah, like I'm like formulating it myself. Like I'm like trying. Because you're competitive, damn. I am.

Starting point is 00:22:01 I want you to do your protocol, do my protocol, just a desert protocol, we'll see what's up, we'll see what time it is in another month or two. To this point. Well, though, I just wanted to implement one thing so we could tease out what those impacts are rather than doing a whole bunch of.

Starting point is 00:22:18 Okay, well, what I'm open to to discuss with you is I'm open to us, because I don't know about just one thing I wanna do like one or two things. I think one is like too small. Well, I'm not gonna help you now. Yeah, I don't need your help. What I think we should do is like maybe you pick two like I know you already like the four automatic quarter-steps and those types of things like that and I think maybe you do that and something else. No there's already one thing I'm already doing. And I've got the Juvely and I love using I probably used I know not probably I for sure use our sauna and Juvely more than anybody else. You're gonna blast the tessies

Starting point is 00:22:48 Yeah, right on the test. I'm gonna do the kids because I was doing that anyways like pretty consistently But then I laid off before the test. I'm just gonna jerk off more That's all you're gonna do more more. That's a lot just in hey I gotta get those numbers You know your number will actually go up and I'm helping you out. Okay, so. Hey, I gotta get those numbers out. You know, your number will actually go up and I'm helping you out, okay? So I'm not, I'm not listening. What's a deal?

Starting point is 00:23:08 I don't have a scarcity mindset. Your test goes, that's because you're, you're already, it's because you're already crushing us. Not, well, yeah. So here's, here's what I was thinking is, well, not thinking. This is what you can do in that regard, Justin. Don't jerk off.

Starting point is 00:23:21 Don't do anything for, hold it in for a week. Because within a week, like one to two week period, that't do anything for a week. Cause within a week, like one to two week period, that does cause a spike in testosterone. But I don't know if it's a permanent one. Here's what I'm doing, cause I do know that study, and this is pretty established that if you go

Starting point is 00:23:37 really, really low carbohydrate for long, long periods of time, it will lower testosterone. Now, it's not, I don't know if it lowers it a lot, but studies will show that it will lower testosterone. Now, I don't, it's not, I don't know if it lowers it a lot, but studies will show that it does lower it. So now I've been eating starches. My gut health is really good. I don't need a ton, but I am eating more. So I'm wondering if my, what my numbers are going to look like just from that to see what that goes up to. My goal is to go over the, I want to see if I can get my number outside of range. I mean, whoa, yeah. Oh, somebody Dan Gittenslee. I meant to ask you this. get my number outside of range. You know what I mean? Whoa. I want to be doing that.

Starting point is 00:24:05 Oh, somebody Dan Gittensley. I meant to ask you this. I thought the kid. Yeah. Yeah, his numbers would add a range too. Wow. Yeah, which made me feel worse. I know.

Starting point is 00:24:13 He was scared. I was like scared. I'm like, that's awesome. I'm jealous. Well, his estridial was a little high. He thought it was too high, but I'm like, no, it's not high. It's within range. His estridial, whatever.

Starting point is 00:24:24 I don't know. I want to see if I can get mine out of range, which the range they had was up to 186, I think it was, right? That was 112, I think. That's some high standards, bro. I think I can get mine. Charging it up. It's totally fine to know.

Starting point is 00:24:38 I got nowhere to go, but I'm okay with whatever range. You guys should go down. Oh, God, fucking, I'll go crawl in a while. Justa was angry about that. I was angry about it. He doesn't like losing. No Especially the guy that's home on the bottom bottom of the totem pole Bullshit, I'm not gonna lie dude. I felt really good about beating I know you did you guys because I was just like and it's less about about beating you. I know you did, you guys. Because I was just like, and it's less about beating you, just more like, I don't know. Oh my God, I'm like, wow, that's weird.

Starting point is 00:25:08 I've been so hard on myself on how horrible my whole level is. And then I was like, wow, this explains things for me. I was using it more to interpret how I've internally been feeling this fight to get shit done and do things in the weight room. It's just been a fucking struggle. Isn't that interesting? Like, it's, you know, being somebody who has in the last five years, I mean, I, I don't know, well, personally, I don't

Starting point is 00:25:32 know too many people that are friends of mine that have experienced as dramatic of swings of hormones as I have in the last five years. And there's definitely this really, you know, when I, when being low, uh, man, it's a, it's a fucking place to be. I have so much empathy now for women that go through minipause or women that are on their period of times or guys that are getting older that just have really stressful jobs, don't get a lot of sleep, don't even realize that they probably have low, low hormones because they don't ever get it tested. Like it's like this. Hormones drive emotion, they drive feeling, they drive sometimes perception. Like Justin said, what I find the hardest is a guy who has so much passion and love for

Starting point is 00:26:16 training like I do. I just, I love to train, man. And it was hard for me. It sucks when you're very, very hard to muster up the energy. Imagine if, I mean, for people listening, don't know what that feels like. Imagine working out and every workout feels like it sucks. Yeah. That's literally what it was.

Starting point is 00:26:31 Yeah, and it's compounding on many levels, right? Because it sucks because your strength isn't there. It sucks because your energy isn't there. Your drive, your drive to do it isn't there. The results are terrible. I mean, when you have low testosterone and you low testosterone versus mid to high, oh, huge difference.

Starting point is 00:26:50 I mean, I already feel like the way my body is responding now, like I'm not putting in that much more work today that I was just two months ago. But now it's responding. It's just that my hormone levels are finally starting to recover a little bit. And so now my body's starting to respond, which then that compounds,

Starting point is 00:27:05 because it gives me a little more motivation. It's like, oh, oh, this is awesome. I can actually look in the mirror now and see that the sacrifices I was making nutritionally and the hard work I was bringing the gym is actually changing in my body a little. Well, it's going to be, I tell you what, I don't know if I want to see Justin with higher testosterone. Because that's exactly what my wife said.

Starting point is 00:27:24 Yeah. She's kind of, she's like worried. She's like, no, you're so nice and thoughtful. Like you're gonna turn to asshole or something. If you start crying. You're talking about, yeah. Made you cry, you're like, thank you honey. Yeah. It is a little tug.

Starting point is 00:27:40 It is a little weird though that that is the one thing too that I noticed that I think is the positive side of all that is it did make me very I don't know what the word is that I'm looking empathetic. Yeah, maybe you know what though So here's so here's the thing about that. It's not that testosterone Causes you to want to be an asshole on all stuff. That's not that's not what it is Here's what I think it because the reality is that the studies will show that low testosterone also causes irritability, anger, all that stuff. Because what I think it is, is,

Starting point is 00:28:12 because I know for me, when I feel shitty, you just feel shitty. When I don't feel good, I almost feel empathetic to other people because I don't feel good. So it's like, you know what I mean? So it's almost like I feel bad for my girl or whatever, like look, I don't feel good, look, I'm sorry, or whatever, or if she doesn't feel good, I'm more empath, you know what I mean? So it's almost like I feel bad for my girl or whatever. Like, look, I don't feel good. Like, I'm sorry or whatever.

Starting point is 00:28:26 Or if she doesn't feel good, I'm more empathetic to it. I think that's what it is. Because if you always feel... That's an interesting perspective. I could get on board with that because you're right. Like, I could, I remember myself kind of processing. You like that sometimes where, you know, I feel down and sorry for myself and this and that where...

Starting point is 00:28:42 And you almost like, you almost want to kind of like tell them. Like, look, I'm sorry. I would, I would even communicate. I would tell Katrina, I would say, Sorry for myself and this and that where and you almost like you almost want to kind of like tell them like look I'm sorry, you know, I would even communicate though I would tell Katrina would say hey, I just want you to know like I'm just I'm not feeling myself today And I'm just I'm feel like unmotivated and tired and so if I feel shorter irritable Let me know but the fact that I I have the ability to communicate that and say that makes me seem like a more empathetic and that- Because low testosterone, by itself, will make a guy more irritable, angry, depressed. And when you look at studies on men

Starting point is 00:29:12 who get testosterone replacement therapy, who need it, who actually need it, they'll say they feel more confident, they feel more energetic, they're happier, they're more connected to people. So it's not that testosterone is this poison that, oh, if it's low, I'm this better person, that's not the case. I really think that this is an important thing that

Starting point is 00:29:30 everybody over the age of 30 does. Test it. I think people under the age of 30, you know, why? Well, yes, I think they should find out what they're, what they're, well, that's what hormone levels are. That's what my original hormone therapist said was, you know, and that's kind of what led me. Yeah Because you need to know what your normal is. That's what he said. That's what he said. Before 30, you should at least test it one time so you can kind of see where you're at.

Starting point is 00:29:50 And then after 30, I think it's highly. Because I know me, I know me, and although my number put me right in the middle of that range, I know that it's low for me, based off of how I feel. Well, then know what I normally feel like. So, like, I'm in the, quote unquote,

Starting point is 00:30:05 normal range right now, but I definitely don't feel the best me. I know what the best healthy version of me feels like, but I at least feel better. You know, so it's funny too, because I told Jessica I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna, I think because I've gone low carb for so long because I've been trying to heal my gut,

Starting point is 00:30:23 which let's be honest, if you're trying to heal your gut that if you have unhealthy gut or you have inflammation, that's gonna affect your testosterone more than the fact that you're not eating carbohydrate. So I think though that because now that my gut is so much healthier due to some of the fasting protocols and stuff like that that I've been doing, then now I can introduce those starches again

Starting point is 00:30:44 and they seem to be okay with me. I think my testosterone levels are gonna get higher. So I was telling her this and she's like, oh shit, she's like, you're gonna get higher testosterone? Because I, and I'm trying to explain to her like, how you know me now, however high my libido is now, and that kind of stuff, trust me, it's normally a lot higher.

Starting point is 00:31:01 When I'm fully on, when I know my testosterone levels are where they're normally at, I have an extremely high libido. So even though it's now in the mid-range, this for me feels like it's low. This is why I want to see what will happen. I'll see if I'm able to get it even higher. Well, that's originally how I was able to even get on hormone replacement therapy, is I technically wasn't in like a dangerously low where some doctors, some doctors are different.

Starting point is 00:31:25 Like some of them will tell you like, you know, oh, you're fine. You know what I'm saying? You're not dangerously low or it's not gonna be bad or unhealthy for you. And so they're like, they don't prescribe it. But if you're towards the bottom of the normal range or right on the cusp or like that,

Starting point is 00:31:40 some doctors will be like, and you're only 30 something years old, and you're a guy like me who exercises, that's how my guy looks like. You exercise, you 30 something years old, and you're a guy like me who exercises, that's how my guy looks like. You exercise, you do all these things, like you should be higher than that. And if I'm telling him, giving him feedback,

Starting point is 00:31:50 I don't feel right, you know, then he's like, okay, you're probably used to being more closer to the 900 range and you're measuring it to 50, which is extremely low for a guy like me. Right, right, yeah, I'm your best. And some hormone replacement specialists will say that the higher end is where men should be. I don't know if I buy that though.

Starting point is 00:32:10 And it's almost like a doctor who's trying to prescribe cholesterol medicine telling you, your cholesterol has to be super low. I feel that's why it's hard for me to believe because I think it has to be based off of your own subjective perception because when they say when you have hormone replacement specialist saying, oh no, they need to be this high. It's almost like they're setting the bar higher because they know they're gonna get, I mean,

Starting point is 00:32:29 more customers. No, I think if you're gonna go to them today. I think if you have a good guy, like the guy that I had when I did it originally, like I think that it's, it is part of the, you know, is the test, and then the other part of it is asking you, like, well, what do you feel like? Like, does it do you feel like your libido's there?

Starting point is 00:32:44 Do you have the same sex drive to it? Do you have the same motivation to do a task like you did in the past? And I would be interested to see what an actual medical intervention would do to raise testosterone like HCG. I'd be very interested to see what that does to a number because that's, well, I tell you what.

Starting point is 00:33:02 So I have that. So I still have, I have quite a few kits of HCG because that was some of the protocol that I did before. What I'll do is, I wanna do the natural route right now because I, yes, I'd love to compare the two. Right, so I'll go the natural route right now doing the things like the JuveLide and using supplements and things like that

Starting point is 00:33:21 and then meditation, I'm even gonna come off weed before I test, I'm gonna do some little things like that to see if all those things can help. And then after that, then I'll do an HCG four week cycle and then I'll see how much. That's for sure, I'll raise it. I just wanna see if it'll last. Yeah, so do I.

Starting point is 00:33:39 And I also wanna see how much of a cycle it do. We'll just give me a little bit of one and like, or will it be a short live? I think sometimes it'll push you even off the charts. For some reason. Yeah, I've had a few clients, males who had low testosterone and usually through nutrition intervention, sleep, exercise, proper exercise, stress management.

Starting point is 00:33:58 Usually I can get their testosterone levels to boost considerably. Like I got one guy's testosterone levels from 300 to 700. I had another guy raise his another 30%. But then there was this one dude that, it's like we got him up, but it was still really low or in that low range. Well, so he did HCG and that should push him out of range,

Starting point is 00:34:19 but through a couple cycles of doing that, we eventually got it to normalize and it actually stayed at a higher... So what I felt, even though I didn't test, I only did the well test once so far, what I felt was the drop back down. So I felt really good while I was taking it. I felt really good a little bit afterwards. I think you could tell it went down.

Starting point is 00:34:39 And then I felt like it came down again. Yeah, so now you know, HCG by itself, if abused can also cause the lighting cells of the test days, the ones that help make testosterone to become desensitized and actually start producing less. Right. So you can actually create a negative feedback loop even with HCG.

Starting point is 00:34:58 And you can get side effects of like you're taking steroids. Right. Oh yeah, no, I've made it. I want to say that because I know people listening are like, oh shit, that's going to solve. No, no, no, you had to be very careful with hg2 because there's so much information out there that gives different recommendations on the dosage of it that's really and like some of these bodybuilder recommendations are extremely high Mm-hmm, and you know

Starting point is 00:35:15 I remember the first time that I that I used hg for a post cycle therapy I actually felt my Kind of mast you oh guy know yeah, I felt you'll get a set of effects I actually felt my, kind of, astia, flak. Oh, Gino. Yeah. I felt that. You'll get side effects. Yeah, I felt it flare up because it actually will. It was too much. Well, here's a cool thing about HCG.

Starting point is 00:35:34 The black market, which is a lot of people will get this because otherwise you have to get a prescription. The black market for anabolic or hormones is sucks because so often is the ship fake or under dose. So often, actually probably more often than not. Yeah, water down. But the cool thing with HCG, well, that cool, hormones is sucks because so often is the ship fake or under dose or so often actually probably more often than not. Yeah, water down. But the cool thing with HCG, well, that cool, there is a way you can test to see what

Starting point is 00:35:51 you have has HCG. You can't test how much is in there, but you can actually, in a very inexpensive way, figure out if your kit has HCG in it and that is through a pregnancy test. Oh, that's right. kit has HCG in it and that is through a pregnancy test. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you have, if you scored it on a pregnancy test because a pregnancy test will pick up HCG, or that's what it does to detect pregnancy,

Starting point is 00:36:15 it'll call, it'll show up. And so you can actually test it that way. It's just kind of cool. Did you guys hear about the guy who did the test, the pregnancy test and showed up positive, because he peed on it and thought it would be cute. And what happened? No.

Starting point is 00:36:29 You didn't hear about this? No, no. So this dude peed on a pregnancy test. His wife's some assuming? Yeah, like his girlfriends. And it said he was pregnant and he thought it was hilarious. He's like, oh, it's just fucking hilarious. It says I'm pregnant.

Starting point is 00:36:43 Obviously, I'm not some of God's. Cancer, tumor, some of that fucking hilarious. It says I'm pregnant. Obviously, I'm not some of God's. Cancer, tumor, something. Yeah, to stick it to cancer. Because when you have to stick it to cancer, you'll start producing this particular hormone. And so he posted it on his social media. And I guess one of his friends

Starting point is 00:36:56 or there was a doctor on there and he's like, yo man, you need to go to the doctor right away. Wow. I'm sure enough, you had to stick it to cancer. Well, I mean, that joke panned off. That probably saved his life, right? Is that funny? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:09 Wow. That's fucked up, huh? That is fucked up. That's one of you newer, just something you saw. No, no, no, I read about it a long time ago. We don't pranked it. Yeah, fucking stupid test. You got cancer.

Starting point is 00:37:19 You're going to talk from now. Just imagine his face just to be this one. I mean, I would have never told that. I would have never known that though. I wouldn't have known it better. You know what I'm saying? If someone told me that I would have never known that though I wouldn't know better you know I'm saying if someone told me like oh yeah You could totally piss on the pregnancy test and I would immediately think something fucked up with the hormones if you're gonna Test positive for pregnancy like come on Yeah

Starting point is 00:37:38 It's like worse than then finding out someone's pregnant. You know what I mean? Yeah, oh shit Why does it say pregnant girlfriends like well, I didn't pee on that. He's like, oh, thank God. I just have cancer. Thank God. It's actually worse. Yeah. You've got cancer.

Starting point is 00:37:52 Anyway, I want to ask you guys to advise on something kind of personal. I'm going to do it on the podcast. This is my therapy. Oh, yes. I was wondering what your guy's opinion was on talking to therapists. I know you're in're your childhood Adam, you went to therapists. I've been in a lot, man.

Starting point is 00:38:07 Yeah, what is your opinion on something like that? So I've never, I've never been to one on my own. I've went to one towards the end of my marriage. But first of all, I guess let me tell you why I've been kind of throwing this around. You know, I got out of a long marriage for 15 years, which I could say probably the last eight to 10 of that marriage and was dysfunctional, was quite dysfunctional,

Starting point is 00:38:35 especially the last four years or so, was really, really dysfunctional. And I find myself now so apprehensive for certain things because it's almost like, it's not post-traumatic stress but it feels like something like that. I'm watching the Jersey Shore with my girl, right? And there's all these episodes where Ronnie and his girlfriend getting all these crazy fights and shit and I can feel myself getting triggered. I'm getting disgusted by it to the point where I almost don't wanna be

Starting point is 00:39:07 in a relationship myself because I'm watching something on TV. Oh, that's interesting. Like really bad, you know, and it's all the fighting and dysfunction. Right, right. But I've never gone to anybody for anything like that. I think there is an incredible amount of value.

Starting point is 00:39:21 I think that I don't think you could go to it and especially someone like you who has an open mind, like leading into it, like, because a lot of times, like when people do therapy, it's because they got drugged there, or because like, you know, their marriage is falling apart. Yeah, I would imagine a big part as you're willing to. Yeah, exactly. A big part is just you being open-minded and willing to do it. Now, where it may be less valuable for you in comparison, do I think to a lot of people is that, I think you're a very self-aware and intelligent person.

Starting point is 00:39:49 Katrina brought up something for me. There was something that I was struggling with. I don't know that long ago. It might have been this hormone thing where she like, I think, I recommend that. Yeah, she recommended that to me and I kind of chuckled at her.

Starting point is 00:39:59 She goes, why, why you laugh? She goes, you know, you don't think you can benefit from it? I'm like, no, I'm not saying that. It's just, I've been in a lot of therapy. You know what I'm saying? I've been in and out of that stuff and had a lot of people that, even like when I didn't do formal therapy, I stayed in contact with a youth pastor mind and then a senior pastor mind for a long time.

Starting point is 00:40:18 And I used him kind of like that. And so I've had a lot of, you know, and I also train a lot of therapist. And so I used a lot of training sessions like that. So I think there's incredible value to that. I think where I'm at in my life now, that I also have the self-awareness to be okay, like, okay, let's say there's something I will use my struggling with hormones, depression, things like that that I was going through. Like, I'm aware of it.

Starting point is 00:40:46 And then I'm also aware enough to like start to do the research and start to like read and dive into things. I think that's where I'm at right now. I meditate on the process of all that. I think that's where I'm at. I have yet to like buy books specifically about, you know, what I'm talking about. And so I feel like I want to go there first before hiring somebody and sitting down. And I also have you guys, I talked to you guys all the time and I appreciate that and we have the podcast and I'm an open person you guys know

Starting point is 00:41:10 that I'm not I'm always talking and you know express how I feel I'm not embarrassed I mean hey I'm doing it on a public podcast but it's just I don't want the problem is I feel like you know if I have an argument with my girlfriend for example I don't want to be so deep in how my past was that she pays for or that. I'm not sure if I can even accurately, if I'm being accurate with what I'm saying, because am I saying this because of how I've always felt before or am I saying this because of this one situation? And I don't want to be in a position where I question that. Right. You're trying to be proactive about things.

Starting point is 00:41:46 You've already recognized, like, oh, oh, shit, I built some walls up here, you know, just by seeing this, it had me react a certain way. Like if we do get in a fight, you know, this is gonna be something that's like, ah, like it's, it feels like, you know, something that you've already gone through and that. It's a lot like hiring a personal trainer.

Starting point is 00:42:03 Yeah. And I would think that all three of us would agree. We probably highly recommend to most people that you should hire a trainer at one point in your career if you're not one already, right? Well, it's an outside perspective that gives you great insight. A lot of times you can't find that yourself.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Right. And if you can find that yourself, or you're seeing self-awareness wise, like I think that's, it's valuable then to dive into it and do research. And that's just that you have to ask yourself if you're the person that will do that.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Now I know you, and I know the type of people we are and where I'm at in my life and where I think you're at in your life that you will read something and start to dive in and learn, and I think you'll get as much value if not more value than even sitting down and having someone tell you, right? So, yeah, I think that's kind of where I'm at.

Starting point is 00:42:46 I think I'm gonna start with something like that because it's like this, it's like, you know, by the way, I have a tough time saying this sometimes not because I have a tough time saying it, but because I don't want people to have a negative view of my ex-wife, because believe me, there's two people in that relationship. There's definitely two sides to it,

Starting point is 00:43:04 and we both contribute it. And we're, Which is also what makes you, why I said what I just said, is that because you have that ability to see that, it's like when I talked about, I've talked about being cheated on by my ex, and that was the first time that ever happened to me,

Starting point is 00:43:17 and so many people were like, Oh my God, fuck her, and I'm like, No, not fuck her, like, you recognize your side. Yeah, what did I do? Like this is definitely a growth opportunity for me, no, not fuck her. Like, you recognize your side of it. Yeah, what did I do? This is definitely a growth opportunity for me. There's something in this relationship, like the fact that she felt the need to go outside

Starting point is 00:43:31 of our relationship for some sort of attention or love or whatever it may have been, there's something that I can't control her. I can't do anything about your ex-wife. But what you can do is dive deeper into what role of that did you play in? Oh yeah, no, I'm not. You're the type of person who I think, Oh, I've dug very deep into that.

Starting point is 00:43:50 I've admitted a lot of things that I've done wrong. And I understand that. But the last, especially the last four years or so was just this constant dysfunction, constant fighting, constant. It's just a terrible environment overall. And so what I don't want is for, because then I got divorced, and I was done, trust me, I was done years before I actually left.

Starting point is 00:44:13 I think both of us were, which is why we both transitioned in, in we're able to be amicable at the end, because we both agree this is what we need to do. But it's like, if I get in an argument now, I don't want it to feel like it's like a, it's almost like you have a limit, right? You have this limit of drama that you can handle, and it's not fair to the person I'm with now that my limit is so fucking hot. You ramp way up.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Well, I know this, like I know when somebody mood changes in a way that feels irrational to me, first off, irrational to me is probably, I'm probably extra sensitive to it because of how things were before, right? And number two, like, there's not that much leeway. If somebody, if there's any kind of a raising of a voice, voice, or any kind of an emotion shift, I'm like, run. I don't want to, like, I don't want to deal with this at all because I dealt with it for so long beforehand. So anyway, I think that's where I'm at. I think I'm gonna buy some books

Starting point is 00:45:07 and just start doing my own research and reading about it. Yeah, I just want to say to the audience is listening, or I think that I am a big fan of it. And I do think that a major, I think everybody can benefit from it. So I think it's overall, it's a really good thing. It's like everybody can benefit from it. Persona, even if you are a personal trainer,

Starting point is 00:45:24 could you not benefit from going and being trained by someone who's even more educated in that field? Absolutely. Do I think it's necessary? No, I don't think it's necessary. And I think there are people out there that just like with personal training, I think there's people that can never,

Starting point is 00:45:39 I mean, I've never hired a personal trainer. Everything I've always, you know, I've figured it out myself. So if you're, if you're passionate about growth, you're passionate about learning about yourself, which I feel you are, I think you can accomplish a lot of that stuff on your own. Could you fast track you there by hiring a trainer and sping them? I mean, hiring a therapist. And there's also, too, just with your partner. I know you guys probably, it's really easy

Starting point is 00:46:02 to discuss things because it's something that you guys probably, like, it's really easy to discuss things, because it's like, you know, something that you guys have established in relationship. And for me, like, with my wife, you know, we did go through a little bit of counseling, which is, you know, not therapy, but it's definitely having somebody else in the room to identify things and present things and contemplate, you know, what problems may arise based off of our value system.

Starting point is 00:46:27 So we went through that whole process and it was very, very helpful. So I definitely, I think relationship wise too, because I mean, you can get so far as to explain things with your partner and want to one, else, they just, they frame it in a different light to where a lot of times my wife could be like, oh, okay, and then she gets what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I mean, I've been before, like I said towards the end of my marriage and it was definitely helpful to help us, you know,

Starting point is 00:46:55 make that decision to, you know, end everything or whatever, but I wanna feel like totally ready, like, okay, that's what I want right now. And I have, I don't feel like I've done the other stuff yet first, which is like, read some books on it and dive into it. What they're really good at doing is like asking you like a question like, you know, hey, when you watch Jersey Shore style, like, you know, what do you feel? They ask you that first and then you explain yourself and then they say, well, why do you feel that way? And then you explain why

Starting point is 00:47:21 that? And then they, and then what they do really good is like, you make start to take off on them, like, well, you know, where I used this and then my wife and then you start going. Oh stop right there You know, you just said something right now. You know, I can do this with you all day And they just get you to start to think about what you're saying which I think like I think you do a really good job I think I have a good partner too, because she allows us to, you know, we can talk, we can talk a lot, but, you know, I don't want her to have to, you know, bear the brunt of, you know, whatever else comes out of it.

Starting point is 00:47:54 So we'll see what happens. I'll tell you what though, it's been, I've definitely changed and grown a lot since that period of time. And I am a growth-minded person. I just want it to happen faster. So we'll see what happens. If you're a listener of both Mind Pump and RX Radio, you guys will have to tag Jordan shallow and talk shit to him

Starting point is 00:48:13 because I'm gonna punk him right now. What do we do? Oh no. No, I'm not letting him on the show anymore. That's not gonna tell him. No, what do you do? No, no, no, I would totally let him on. I'm just saying, just, we love him.

Starting point is 00:48:23 But my inbox is just, and I apologize if you're somebody who's still there. I saw that I still had people from six days ago. I don't ever let the thing get that crazy, but it's just been overwhelming this last week, especially since Jordan Shadows episode, because I must have had 50 DMs on people asking me to interpret half the shit

Starting point is 00:48:47 on the podcast. You know, it's funny. So, you know, we bring them on the show and he just added work to me. Dude, I was like, the whole point of having you on here is to take some of the load off for us. Bro, nobody, nobody DM me about that. Nobody did? No, but I think it's because they feel like I'll explain it the same way. Yeah, you will.

Starting point is 00:49:04 They know I'll dumb it way down. Like, ask feel like I'll explain it the same way. Yeah, you will. They know all dumb it way down Like ask Adam. He'll say in way simpler terms. What was he saying? Ben your elbow when you do that left. Oh, thank you This quas brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organified fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Robert M75.

Starting point is 00:49:44 Is there any reason to attempt a one rep max? If so, is there a way you suggest going about doing it? I have two thoughts on this. Yes and no. Yeah, you can make an argument for both. The idea. Yes, you can. You have to take a position, Adam.

Starting point is 00:49:59 I'll make the argument for, but you go ahead. Well, okay, so if you're gonna make the argument for, let me make the argument for not but you go ahead. Well, okay, so if you're going to make the argument for, let me make the argument for not at first. Yeah. Um, what I, what I see and what I've experienced myself when, when, when chasing the one rep, you can build an incredible physique and be extremely healthy and never test your one rep max your entire life. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:23 For sure. Totally. For sure, you can never, ever max out on a lift. And I would argue that that may be a good strategy for a majority of people because there is risk that comes with lifting that heavy weight. And you need to be pretty damn experienced on how to bail on a squat or a dead lift or a bench press, the right way if you're gonna be max lifting and Then on top of that the other knock I have on it and this is to knock crossfit a little bit is

Starting point is 00:50:53 We got into this this PR culture like PR didn't even exist when I started as a trainer No, I didn't even know what PR was until like after like year a couple years of hearing people like oh my PR I'm like what the fuck is PR like I never heard that term when I first started as a trainer, but it's become so popular that everybody is chasing their one rep, wrote one rep max, and I would argue that it's contributing to a lot of the injuries that you see in things like CrossFit. That's my no, even though I have, I could say yes.

Starting point is 00:51:20 Well, I'm gonna agree with you, and I'm gonna add more to that and say that, if you just, if you wanna be fit, strong, healthy, whatever, there's no reason. I don't see what the reason is. As long as you understand how to judge your perceived effort and train relatively intensely, I don't know why, I don't know why that would be important.

Starting point is 00:51:39 The only thing I can think of why it's important to test out how much you can lift for one rep for a max. And by the way, we're not talking about training with low reps, like doing sets of one. We're talking about maxing out for a rep. That's a big difference because I've trained many, many clients with reps as low as one, but when you're doing that, you're not maxing out, you're doing something like 80% of their max or whatever. It's heavy, but it's something that they can do and they can duplicate for sets. A max is literally the most you could lift for a single rep.

Starting point is 00:52:13 And I guess the only benefit I could see to that is if you're trying to figure out your percentages of your max or you're trying to figure out if you're, you know, you're getting motivated by the fact that your max went up. But here's a deal. You don't need to max out to see if you're, you know, you're getting motivated by the fact that your max went up. But here's a deal. You don't need to max out to see if you're stronger. If, if, let's say you're working out with me, let's say you're my client and we're doing, we did six reps on the squat, six heavy reps on the squat and your perceived effort was pretty hard. Like you're like, oh, that was pretty intense. I feel like I maybe would have been able to squeeze out one or two more reps, but we did six. The next time I train

Starting point is 00:52:44 you and you do the same weight for six reps, you'll know if you're stronger because you're like, oh wow, this is easier. I can actually do seven reps with the same perceived intensity or the same perceived effort. And so that's why it's hard for me to even justify. I don't think I've ever had any client, except for maybe Doug and a couple others who are very competitive and with good instruction. Sure, I agree with you guys, but at the same time being an athlete and having gratifying moments that I can think of in my weight training career, in my athletic career, a lot of them

Starting point is 00:53:18 were when I pressed my body to the limits. And this is one of those things. If you feel like you've been doing the work, and this has been a few years even in the making, like I'm not talking about doing this like every year even, or like every couple of months, like I'm trying, like I'm talking about, like this is something that I've been working my ass

Starting point is 00:53:40 up towards. And if I wanna see tangible evidence of strength that I can summon, there's nothing better than a one rep max. So I do see that the argument that like it's unnecessary, yes, it's unnecessary, because I could still just do multiple reps and get gratification from that and still be able to, it's not gonna hammer my body to where, you'll still see you're stronger. I can get on board with the athlete thing. And the reason why I can get on board with the athlete

Starting point is 00:54:14 thing, because if you play sports competitively, there'll be times when you're playing where you're going to stretch your limits or you'll be challenged with that of wanting to fold, wanting to break, wanting to give up because your body is wanting to shut down. And there's something about the, what's a mental, the CNS, the positive things

Starting point is 00:54:34 you're gonna get for your CNS, the positive things you're gonna get for the psychological piece, there are some really good benefits to pushing to that limit. Now, the greater the benefits with things like that, the greater the risk. And so who I'm talking to would would would totally change this would change my advice, right? So if it's somebody who's extremely advanced, you're an athlete, you're I get it or you're or you're or you're competing in powerlifting. Like that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:55:01 For sure. That makes right. That makes sense. But if you're a mind-pump listener and you love to lift weights, you want to be healthy, you want to be strong, you want to look good, and those are pretty much your main goals of why you work out, it doesn't really serve that big of a purpose in your routine. The risk is too high. Look, here's what happens when you go, when you go to failure on any set of resistance. As you go to failure, your form starts to break down. And so now you're supporting a weight or holding a weight or lifting a weight

Starting point is 00:55:31 with sub optimal form, which increases the risk of injury. Now with a one rep max, it's even worse because you're lifting the heaviest weight you could possibly lift for one rep. And so if your form is off a little bit, like look, if I'm doing a set of 20 with a squat and my form is off, I may be doing that with 275 pounds, right?

Starting point is 00:55:52 If I do one rep max and my form is off a little bit, I might have up to 400 pounds on my back, the risk of injuries quite high. Now that being said, I test my one rep max all the time. Why? Because I'm experienced and I enjoy the challenge of it and I enjoy seeing the progress. So from that standpoint, then I can see the benefit. But I don't see that happening with a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:56:14 I see that happening with a small percentage of people or at least a small percentage of people that I think should be attempting one rep max. That being said, if you are gonna test your one rep max, there is some advice I have for you. Don't guess what your one rep maxed by throwing a bunch of weight on the bar. Well, we're laughing, but that's what people do. No, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:56:37 They'll be like, oh, well I just feel it. Yeah, normally I lift 135. So yeah, let's try 225 and see if that's my max. No, no, no, no, no, no, bad strategy. Give yourself a lot of time to slowly inch your way up to your one rep max. So I'll give you an example. Let's say I can do three 15,

Starting point is 00:56:53 I can squat three hundred 15 pounds, let's say 10 pounds, 10 times. Let's say that's my, I know I can muster out, at least 10 repetitions. I'm gonna go up, I might start off going up 15 or 20 pounds, and then as I get closer to the weight where I start to feel it starts to really get heavy, I'm only going up by two to five pounds,

Starting point is 00:57:11 and that's it, I'm doing one rep each time to not fatigue myself, but the last thing you wanna do is overshoot what you think your maxes fail. That's good advice. Yeah, you don't wanna fail, because now you failed, which is tough. Let me tell you, failing on some lifts, like a bench press or an overhead press or a squat,

Starting point is 00:57:30 you need to have a technique on how to fail, by the way. There's a technique to lifting it, and there's a technique to failing, because you could have a great squat and not know how to dump the bar or not know how to drop it on safeties, and that's what people tend to hurt themselves. So you gotta have that technique.

Starting point is 00:57:47 And also when you fail at a one rep max attempt, you're fried. So now your one rep max is lower. So now you try to back off on the way and you really not, you don't know what your one rep max could have been because you've literally just done a force negative with heavy weight, which fucks you, it flies you.

Starting point is 00:58:02 I have never been someone to really calculate the percentages out for some of this, because I've never been in the powerlifting competing, but I have checked, I have checked my one rep max, and I was kind of thinking, like, how do I get to that number? How do I figure that out? And listen to you talk, I'm like, you know what? There is like a formula or a pattern that I have when I'm trying to test this, right? And if it's, if it's upper body, like bench press, overhead press, I'm, bench press, overhead press, I'm testing a max

Starting point is 00:58:28 there. I'm going to keep going up and wait until I find a weight that I can only get about five reps. Once I get to a weight where I can get only about five reps, then what I do is I incrementally go up five to ten pounds because it's upper body, right? And then I just keep going up, each and I give myself long rest periods in between then I add five to 10 pounds, long rest period five to 10 pounds. I keep going until I can always squeeze out one or two reps and then I've got an idea of where my one rep max is gonna be at, right?

Starting point is 00:58:58 If it's legs, I can go a little bit faster than five or 10 pounds. I can go like 15 to 20 pounds every single time. So I'll go all the way, I'll squat or deadlift until I can only get five reps with that weight. And then from there, I'm inching up 20 pounds at a time. So 10 pounds on your side until I can kind of get to the point where I can find what my singles or doubles would be.

Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah, yeah. Same thing. And as far as how often you should test your one, Rhett max, if this is, if you're that person who's experienced has good control and knows how to dump a weight or knows how to fail, I would say it's probably safe to max out once every other month. It's probably a good idea. Once a month, you might be able to get away with two,

Starting point is 00:59:38 but that's probably pushing it. I would say probably once every two months because you got to give yourself some time to build your strength up or do some back off. Well, a perfect world if you're following maps, like if you were to incorporate this with maps program or how I would do it, it is the end of your program. Well, I would do the end of every strength phase. So like, there's usually three to five weeks. Right.

Starting point is 01:00:01 And then as you cycle back through, I would do it again at the end of the strength phase. So run any of the maps programs, and when you get to the end of the strength phase, that will be when you test it, and you would go and transition the next phase, when you come back around through that maps program, or another maps program, you could test again. I mean, that being said, training at that limit,

Starting point is 01:00:21 or that type of max capacity for a rep, there's definitely a skill that's involved, that's unique to it. So what I mean by that is for those of you who are competitors or who do find lots of value in this, who also again are experienced and know what they're doing, the more you practice one rep maxing, the better you get at it,

Starting point is 01:00:41 because there is a skill involved. The weight moves different. It takes a different type of intensity and drive and focus and finding that right amount to ramp up to, the ultimate output is definitely part of the process. The skill you need to learn, like did I do too much? Is that gonna take away from my one rep max?

Starting point is 01:01:02 Did I not do enough? So I primed my body properly for this. So this is all things that you have to literally practice and to build up to that experience where now, this is something that you start to get good at. Are there any lifts that you guys will test more often than others or lifts that you don't like to test out with one rep max?

Starting point is 01:01:21 I test them most. Test my squat. Oh, you do? I test my squat and I used to test my bench a lot. Really? Yeah, yeah. I got a lot of pride in that for a while, and then I haven't in years.

Starting point is 01:01:32 So it's been a skill I've lost, you know? But squat and deadlift. See, I never had press. I mean, I never test my bench because my shoulders are okay if I don't push it too hard. But if I max out, my form always goes off a little bit, and I end up feeling at my AC joint on my right shoulder. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:50 I rarely ever max out in squats, because I hate failing on a squat. That is a terrifying feeling. And dumping a bar is a very loud... I've gotten really good at it. I've been... Yeah, I've been on squats pretty good. So getting out of...

Starting point is 01:02:04 That's what I'm saying. It's a skill. I scare people around me, I've been on squats pretty good. That's so squat, getting out of my mouth. That's what I'm saying. I feel. I scare people around me. So I can dump it behind me. That's why. Yeah, I feel okay. I feel the best about pushing my limits on the squat because I feel the most comfortable

Starting point is 01:02:15 with actually getting out of it. There you go. Chast and overhead press, I don't. Though, if I'm pushing an overhead press, like if I'm gonna compensate anywhere, it's gonna be my low back arching and I'm afraid of stuff like that. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:02:27 So you gotta know this. Right. And Deadlift for me, I'm a little weary because of an injury I got while doing it, you know, the other time when I hurt my QL a bit. But yeah, it's like, that's one of those things that just sticks in your head. So now you have to overcome these barriers that you've placed. Oh no, Deadlift psychologically. Deadlift for me, that's the one that I'll test because I just feel most comfortable.

Starting point is 01:02:45 You can drop the bar, it's right down in front of you. And I've been through some grinders, let me tell you. I've been through some deadlifts that were, they felt like it took me five minutes to get the bar up into position. Those can be pretty nasty. Those can be very, very nasty. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:59 Next question is from CellCarp. What are your thoughts on why childhood obesity continues to grow? Your opinions on how it got so bad and how we should fix it. This is a this is a scary problem. You know, childhood obesity is it's scary because it wasn't that long ago that childhood obesity almost didn't even exist. No joke. Like it almost didn't even exist. When I first got my first personal training certification back in 1997, they called Type 2 Diabetes.

Starting point is 01:03:35 In my book, in the actual certification, it was called Adult Onset Diabetes. It wasn't called Type 2 Diabetes. It was Type 1 Diabetes where you're not making insulin and you need insulin. And then there was adult onset diabetes because this was the type of diabetes that you developed as an adult through, you know, poor diet. We believed you could only get it as an adult. That's because that's all that ever had. It never happened that way. Never happened where a kid was born with diabetes. What do you mean? I don't understand how that's not so fucking scary as a parent to see Never had, it never happened that way. Never happened where a kid was born with diabetes and they got it until...

Starting point is 01:04:05 I don't understand how that's not so fucking scary as a parent to see what has happened just in the last 30, 40 years with childhood, with obesity and diabetes in children. That's crazy to think that it didn't exist 50 years ago and now it's something that is been on the rise. There has to be like an epigenetic component where like, I don't think so.

Starting point is 01:04:29 I think it's less, I think it's less of that and more of what we see, more of this sitting in front of video games and computers and phones and then eating fire cheetos and drinking so much. I'm drinking so much. I'm drinking so much. I'm drinking so much. I'm drinking so much.

Starting point is 01:04:44 I'm drinking so much. I'm drinking so much. I'm drinking so much. I the womb. Well, I'm not disagreeing with you that that may not be a role-bombed, but I think it's less of that and it's more of our society right now. Well, I don't think that we've never been here before. We're a kid, I mean, when you were a kid, we remember, it wasn't that long ago. You know what I'm saying? When you were a kid, you died.

Starting point is 01:05:02 It's one generation. Yeah, it's like one kid at school. You knew it was like the fact kid. Right. And now it's literally, it makes up almost, I mean, it's not the majority, but it's a very high percentage that, yeah, it's totally a brand new thing that like now we're like,

Starting point is 01:05:17 oh, this is like the new normal. Here's what, here, here, check this out. So I just looked at the statistics. This is from the CDC. And it shows that childhood obesity has tripled, has more than tripled since the 1970s. This wasn't that long ago at all. It wasn't that long ago at all since the 1970s. Today or data that we have from 2015 and 2016 shows that one in five school age children has obesity, one out of every five. So that's tripled from 1970.

Starting point is 01:05:51 Here's the part that really bothers me. As I'm going down and scrolling down the CDC website, they say many factors contribute to childhood obesity, including, ready for this. Here's the top two, genetics, metabolism, which is okay. What do you mean, metabolism? What the fuck does that mean? That could be changed, whatever.

Starting point is 01:06:11 Genetics, wrong, sorry, we did not evolve, we didn't evolve rapidly since, you know, for the last 40 years where all of a sudden, we went from, you know, one out of every 15 kids or something like that to now one out of every five has obesity. That doesn't work. Then number three is community and neighborhood design and safety. What short sleep duration maybe? And then finally the last one they put is eating and physical activity behavior. Oh, you think. The last part. Oh, you really think.

Starting point is 01:06:45 Right. Here's what's scary about this. Besides the fact that these are children, and that's terrible because in many cases these children are not at fault for their poor health because, you know, kids don't typically go grocery shopping. They don't typically buy the foods. They don't, they, how you eat and you're eating behaviors and patterns. There's a large part of it that is learned through your environment.

Starting point is 01:07:10 It's a direct reflection of the environment that, you know, the parents have provided. And, you know, however you want to spit it, they're dependent on, you know, this food coming from, you know, the source where it's coming from. That's from the parents. But what the scary thing for me is less about the kids being obese and the fact that a child that's obese has a very, very high likelihood of growing up to be unhealthy adult. And what we know about health is this, is that the longer you're unhealthy,

Starting point is 01:07:40 the worse that unhealthy becomes. I wonder what if you are, and here's another thing too, some parents, like, I see this a lot. I remember having this conversation with Katrina years back and we were talking about, you know, kids in overweight and I was pointing out a kid that was overweight. Oh, that's, you know, because he's really young, that's his baby fat or what I'm like, no, you know, he's carrying like 20 pounds for the excess weight as a child. Like, that is not baby fat or what I'm like, no, you know, he's carrying like 20 pounds of excess weight as a child, like that is not baby fat. That's not like he's not gonna grow out of like transitional.

Starting point is 01:08:11 Yeah, no, there's a lot of parents they just think they're going through a phase and that they'll grow out of it or grow into their body and it's like, no, they have a belly that is hanging over their shorts and they're 10 years old. You know I'm saying like that, they're being fed and they're not moving enough. Well, yeah, and the play's different now. Like, you know, it's the focus with all their friends is different, like what they do now is different. There's so many different contributing patterns to this

Starting point is 01:08:38 that like all these variables now, like it's so much set up for obesity to occur. I have a very, very strong opinion on this. This is just a subject that's been a passion of mine for a very, very long time about what I think is to cause for. But before I go on that, check out this statistic. If you have an obese two year old, two, okay?

Starting point is 01:08:59 So this is somebody who was born two years ago, right? An obese two year old has a 75% chance of being obese at 35. Now, a normal two-year-old today has a 57% chance of being obese just because that's our obesity rate among adults. So that's a big difference. That's a difference of about 20% increase in risk. A 19-year-old, that's obese, has an 88% risk of being obese.

Starting point is 01:09:24 A 19-year-old who's not obese only has a 44% risk. So what this tells us is the longer you're not obese, the lower your likelihood of being an obese adult. If your obese, when you're young, the likelihood that you'll be obese increases. And the longer you stay obese, like if you're a teenager, that's obese, the odds that you're going to be an obese adult is almost 100%.

Starting point is 01:09:45 It's close to 90%. I used to tell my female clients that I get that we're in their 20s, this is totally my experience. I have no studies or anything to prove this, but in my experience, if I had met somebody who had not figured out a healthy eating habits and an exercise routine by about 25 or 26 that the likelihood

Starting point is 01:10:09 of her being, you know, overweight or obese in the future is really, really high. And the likelihood of them ever getting in really good shape is really, really low because they haven't installed those behaviors and habits by the time they're in their mid 20s. They're so ingrained. It's so rare. And I do have examples. I mean, I've trained thousands of people. So of course, I've got handfuls of 40-year-old clients that came to me that were obese and

Starting point is 01:10:32 I changed their lives and one of that, but they're so small. So, so small. It's a very hard thing to change. Here's what I think. Look, I think the lack of physical activity is not the main culprit when it comes to obesity. I think the lack of physical activity is the main culprit for the physical dysfunction that we see in kids, like forward shoulder,

Starting point is 01:10:54 forward head, the fact that kids now have, you see a lot of pronating feet and issues with knees and back. And it's all contributes to even less movement. Yeah, that's what I blame on that. But as far as obesity is concerned, you could place that squarely at the feet of how we feed our kids. 100%.

Starting point is 01:11:11 Yeah. Look at, do this for me. Go to a grocery store and go to the kids' food section and try and find foods that are not totally bad for you. Like, good luck. The vast majority of the foods that are dedicated to kids is fast, it's heavily processed, long shelf life, heavily, it's easy to access. Well, even before that.

Starting point is 01:11:34 Highly palatable. It's tons of sugar. Highly palatable food. Now, why is that? Is it because we have an evil food industry? No, I think the food industry is smart. I think there's definitely some evil people in the food industry. They're just smart. They're trying to their job, their job is to sell. And they're not only gonna fuck who eats it.

Starting point is 01:11:50 What happens at? If you eat too much, they give you what you want. That's what selling is. You give someone what they want. Now, what do parents want? Well, they want fast, easy, and they want highly palatable for their kids, because I'm a parent of two children, you know, Justin can probably echo this. One of the most stressful things or times of the day with kids is feeding time. Always, ever since they, you know, they're in a high chair and you're feeding them yourselves. It's a battlegrounds. Always. I mean, it's not always, but it's common. It's a common battleground.

Starting point is 01:12:21 And so if you can create a child's food that the kid will just love to eat, I mean, the parents are just like, oh, thank God. They feel like, oh, yes. Oh, good. Goldfish, look at goldfish. Why do you think goldfish is so popular? Because kids love eating them. And so parents are like, oh, easy snack.

Starting point is 01:12:38 Eating something. Yeah, eat some goldfish. This is so easy for you. So that's the big problem. The big problem is the food and the big blame goes on the parents period. I mean, it's uncomfortable, but it starts early, man, with your decision-making process. Like, you know, like, I'm sorry, but breast fitting is fucking hard. It's one of the hardest things like women can do.

Starting point is 01:13:01 You know, and I know my wife going through that was like expressing that to me. Like, this is so difficult. And all it's very tempting to stop. And it's so much easier to do formula. It's very easy to do. They have connected formula to higher rates of obesity and how nobody wants to talk about that. You know, sorry. It's a very sensitive topic right now. For my, I have my two best friends who are having kids right now and like, you know, it was, they have a newborn right now and I've already feeding her. But you can pump. Yeah, there's options.

Starting point is 01:13:33 There's things you can do and there's also like, was it wet banks or whatever or two? So anyways, I mean, obviously that's like through. That's one factor by the way. Yeah, that's just one thing. I'm just saying like, like thinking in terms of like setting up, you know, your child's like health in the future. It starts like right away.

Starting point is 01:13:51 It does have a lower risk of obesity. That's a fact when they breastfeed. Part of it is the, could be the health aspects of it. The other part of it could be, because I don't want to throw this out either. And I'm not saying breast milk isn't the most healthy thinking of your child. I believe it is just as we evolved to have it. So I don't want to throw this out either and I'm not saying breast milk isn't the most healthy thing you can give your child I believe it is just as we evolved to have it

Starting point is 01:14:07 So I don't think scientists have created anything that can that can mimic nature perfectly yet I think we will in the future, but I don't think we have yet But I think the other part of is this the kind of parents that tend to Not breastfeed and want to give their kids formula probably also the kind of parents that are very busy Right and that don't have the time to throw the goal face of access. Right. And so there's, you know, expediency becomes, you know, like modern life is very difficult. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:32 Modern life, you know, there's a lot of shit going on. And so, I mean, look, parents used to spend time on making food and making meals and taking the time to feed them and all that stuff. And it's not like that anymore. And here's the other thing too, likely, it's highly likely if you see an obese kid, they have obese parents. It's highly likely.

Starting point is 01:14:50 It's actually, I can probably bet you nine at a 10 time. Well, that's the real challenge is that it does start with a parents. And I know it sounds like we're over here. Yeah, because you can't just change your kids eating. Yeah, you got to change your own. Right, you know what I mean? And that's where the real challenge comes in.

Starting point is 01:15:03 Let's be honest, it's like, you like, the parents are struggling with the kids, the habits, but I mean, if you're a parent that didn't have any of that stuff in your cupboard on the weekends, you guys did things like hikes and played sports outside and you did physical things. Like, oh, I doubt you'll be struggling with this very much. But if you have a kid that is obese or really overweight and they play video games, they eat fire cheetos all the time

Starting point is 01:15:29 and on the weekends, they muck out on video games why you do other things. Like, yeah, fuck, it's gonna be really, really tough to manage this. I feel for parents in situations like this because let's say you're a parent and you've got two kids or three kids and let's say your youngest is four and your oldest is, I don't know, 12 or something like this, because let's say you're a parent and you've got two kids or three kids, and let's say your youngest is four,

Starting point is 01:15:45 and your oldest is, I don't know, 12 or something like that, 11. And you're like, okay, everybody's obese, I'm obese, my kids are all obese. I need to change everybody's eating habits because it's just not healthy. And I know that I'm also somebody that needs to change my eating habits.

Starting point is 01:16:02 Let's say you're a really self-aware parent and that's your position. Well, now you have to be willing to go through that I'm also somebody that needs to change my DNA. So let's say you're a really self-aware parent and that's your position. Well, now you have to be willing to go through roughly two or three months of shit. That's at least, it's gonna take that long because kids may not be on board and the kids eat what you buy.

Starting point is 01:16:18 And so they're gonna protest, they're gonna fight. They may not eat. You may have your kids say, fine, I'm not having dinner at all. And now you gotta play that game where you waited out until your kid is starving and decides to finally eat. So you have to commit to a shitty house life for a few months. You have to go through a little bit of hell.

Starting point is 01:16:38 It's gonna be that way, but what is the benefit? Well, I can tell you 100% what the negative will be if you don't do that. Here's what's guaranteed you're guaranteed to have children who are going if they're obese and unhealthy Less mobility. They're gonna find less pleasure in physical activities Of course risk there raises the risk of things like ostrich being ostrichized with other kids Bowling a lot of stuff and then health problems the health problems that you're setting your child up for when they're older is very, very high. I don't buy the whole, but they don't do what I say bullshit. That's bullshit.

Starting point is 01:17:16 Sure, if you have a teenager that's got a car at that point, very, very difficult, but if it's your house, you buy the groceries, you're the one that's in charge. So when they go to the cupboard, open it up to find a snack and all they see is nothing and maybe there's cheese, wheels and carrot sticks and apples and you're like, well, that's what we got. So if you want a snack, you can eat that. If you don't, then there's nothing else.

Starting point is 01:17:39 Then watch what happens. But it's gonna start with the parents. I've never seen a parent. It's funny that we're at right now in our lives know, then watch what happens. But it's going to start with the parents. I've never seen a parent say that where we're at right now in our lives that seems like punishment or so evil to do that. Just a few hundred years ago, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:17:54 Like if you had food, if your child was hungry, so you have a capacity that you're like dying to get them food. Right, no, and like that was like the priority was just to be able to get them food and nourished. And now it's completely the opposite problem. Yeah. I think also part of the problem is that we're oversaturating in our children with stuff like that. And they, they're already training them to these meal times and thinking that they have to eat every single two to three hours or three or four times a day when in reality they probably,

Starting point is 01:18:19 especially if their activity is low, they probably don't. And I hate them draw the same, draw a parallel to my dogs because humans and dogs are different in a lot of ways. But I mean, it's the same way, like I feed the boys. It's like, if I didn't get off my ass as an owner, because this is true, I'm not a perfect dog owner all the time where I walk my dogs and exercise them like I should, I feed them differently.

Starting point is 01:18:41 They don't get fucking four cups of food every day if I don't go out and exercise them. Otherwise, they put on the weight really fast. And so why would we treat the kids any different than that? Why would you? When they eat the snacks that are like crackers and sugar stuff, that makes them more hungry. Well, and it is like, now you're just overwhelming them

Starting point is 01:19:03 with even more calories. And typically when we let them do it, is at the worst times when they're sitting down watching TV for two three hours straight Or playing video games for four or five hours and I mean they're and they're drinking soda and shoveling the food It's like man, it's I'm not trying to demonize certain foods or say your kid should never be allowed to ever have a fire cheeto It's not trying to say that at all, but it's like, we're, it's compounding because of all these other things, because they're not moving, because they're sitting still and on top of that, you're feeding them these types of food

Starting point is 01:19:31 or allowing them to eat these types of foods. They're doing that. Yeah, they still have the flexibility and it still makes this way. And I just recognize the battle of it. Like that that's always there, and then I'm willing to, you know, at least recognize, you know, like, okay, I need to, I need to like handle this and make sure

Starting point is 01:19:49 that I'm on top of this. And by the way, like, you know, we always recommend when people change their own eating habits that they do it slowly. Yeah. One step at a time. If you're a, if you have to stick. If you're the head of household or whatever,

Starting point is 01:20:00 your mom or dad and you have kids and you're like, okay, we need to change our eating habits. And you've identified that you need to change your own because nine out of 10 times, it's everybody's eating shitty, not just the kids, it's everybody. Start slow, start real slow. Maybe you do it so slow that kids don't even notice.

Starting point is 01:20:15 You know what I'm saying? Maybe it's just like, hey mom, why are the snacks this way this time? Or wait, how come we're not having, you know, bread with our dinner tonight? Or what, you know, why aren't we drinking soda, or why did you change the juice from this brand to this brand? Because you can slowly start implementing these things for yourself and for the family, and make it a little bit, and then their palate will change, and then you can

Starting point is 01:20:39 introduce more healthy stuff. That's right. It totally is. You have to do it at the speed of what they're gonna accept. But I'm telling you right now, this doesn't change. If this doesn't become something that parents start to do now, we are going to be footing the bill for this younger generation. When they become adults, it could screw us up pretty bad. Next up is mind a muscle. Do you have any regrets? You know, it's crazy that we went this way because I wanted to ask you in Justin because I think this is a great segue into this and gives an opportunity for you guys to kind of talk about.

Starting point is 01:21:13 I know you probably are thinking of regrets personally, but be interesting to hear you guys talk about like, you know, as we just sit here and talk about childhood obesity and the challenges that you guys both probably deal with with the dinner table and these things like that. You know, is there a little bit of ownership on your part where you go like, you know, fuck, I did allow the kids to do certain things five years ago or six years ago that I wish I would have done differently now. Can you think of things? All the time. I can think of this all the time. You know, for me personally, part of this issue when it comes to feeding

Starting point is 01:21:42 and eating, especially with my kids, you know, in my culture, or at least in the culture of my parents, right, the one that I was raised in, food, you feed the hell out of your kids, and that's how you show them that you love them. And if they don't eat, you know, it's a, it's a big problem. And so you're constantly force feeding kids. And when I was young, I remember, my, me me my grandma would say things like to me and my cousins like let's you can finish first Whoever finishes first gets five dollars. Oh my god, you know, you guys really did she like that? Yeah, they would actually make his Compete straight straight bribing you to eat more food. Yes If we didn't eat we would get in trouble

Starting point is 01:22:23 Meals Always started with starches. So, you would start every meal with pasta and bread. And then you'd end up finishing with the protein and the fat or whatever, and the vegetables. That would be kind of at the end. So it's kind of like this backwards order of how you eat. So it's, those are things that I've done

Starting point is 01:22:44 that I did with my kids. Like we would have meals and they would start off with pasta and bread. And then we would move towards the healthier thing. So that I regret, you know, doing, I don't do it anymore. And that's, they actually thanks to Jessica. She came up with this, it's brilliant. It really is very simple, but it's quite brilliant

Starting point is 01:23:00 in where we serve in reverse, man. We serve in reverse. Of what everybody else does. Isn't that crazy to think that like that Oh just a great healthy strategy right out the gate is think about how every restaurant serves you food Yeah, and serve it the op it well. I guess dessert sometimes it serves less so that except for that well They'll serve you bread first because it tins and make you hungry But so what I do what we do now with the kids is we start with vegetables

Starting point is 01:23:22 Then we move to the to the meat the protein start with vegetables, then we move to the meat, the protein, the fat, and then if there is a starch, then we move to the starch. And in order for my kids to go to the next level or whatever the next course, they have to finish the first course. But here's the brilliant part, and this again, I have to thank Jessica for, we don't make a big deal about it. So if I put six pieces of broccoli on my daughter's plate,

Starting point is 01:23:45 and she says, I don't want broccoli, the response is, oh, you don't have to eat it, that's fine. And that's it, we don't talk about it. And then we'll move on to the, and she'll be like, what I want that meat, or I want that pasta. And I'll say, well, you can't have that unless you've finished the first course,

Starting point is 01:24:02 because this is the right, this is the right way to eat. But if you don't want to eat it, you don't have to. Leave it up to her. It's her decision. And the reason why you do that is you want your kids, you want them, you want it to be their idea, because it makes them feel more empowered. And my regret in the past was that I would force my kids.

Starting point is 01:24:18 I would literally say to them, if you don't eat that, you're grounded, or if you eat that, then I'd reward them with dessert. Like, okay, listen, if you finish't eat that, you're grounded, or, you know, if you eat that, then I'd reward them with dessert. Like, okay, listen, if you finish all of that, then you get to have the pie that we made for after dinner. That's a big regret. It's using food as a punishment or as a reward. When that alone will create, you know, bad relationships. And then the more consistent you are with that process, it becomes less of a battle because they just expect it.

Starting point is 01:24:47 Like, okay, well, I know that like not going past this is gonna limit me from meeting the other items. Were you thinking of other regrets or not? Cause I just thought that was a great follow up because of what you were talking about. And I thought, but you bet you both as parents have some regrets on the food piece cause I doubt you were perfect 10 years ago

Starting point is 01:25:05 with your kids. And you probably see how it's now unfolded and you go, fuck, I wish I had it. Bro, do you know how hard it is to erase some of those ingrained things? Like, if my kids, like my daughter eating all of your plate. Oh, like my daughter's the hard one when it comes to food. And like in the, she doesn't want to eat in the morning.

Starting point is 01:25:23 Do you know how hard it was for me to let her to go to school without eating breakfast? It was so hard where I actually would go to the store and buy different things that I think would taste good. And I actually, no joke actually, it was actually bought a sugary cereal, so she would eat breakfast and Jessica pointed it out. She was like, are you really giving her that?

Starting point is 01:25:43 She's just so she'll eat. She's like, what's wrong if she doesn't eat breakfast? And I'm like, you know, I hear those words. I'm like, well, fuck. Yeah, you're right. It's so weird because it's so ingrained that you don't realize it. So those are the big food regrets that I have.

Starting point is 01:25:58 As far as regrets, and the other regrets I have with my kids, you know what? Every single, almost every time I ever lose my temper with my kids, you know what, every single, almost every time I ever lose my temper with my kids, every regret that I showed them that I lost my temper. Almost every single time. It doesn't do anything but scare them. And I don't want my kids to do the right thing

Starting point is 01:26:15 because they're scared. I want them to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Yeah, because they want to. Because they want to. And so I've done that where I've scared them because I lost my temper. And then afterwards I'm like,

Starting point is 01:26:26 oh man, I don't have a lot of regrets because I really feel like I have the ability to see the kind of silver lining and everything and I don't repeat a lot of mistakes. Like I make a lot of mistakes, 100%. Like I'm definitely far from perfect and I do make a lot of mistakes. But we talked about on a podcast recently about this

Starting point is 01:26:47 where I think somebody who continues to make the same mistakes over and over, like there's some shit and there's some work you need to do inside of yourself because there's a pattern there that you're doing. But for the most part, the things that I've done that have been big fuck ups or that have just devastated me or I learned from them.

Starting point is 01:27:04 And in fact, if they were really devastating or really bad, that have been big fuck ups or that have just devastated me. I learned from them. I learned from them. And in fact, if they were really devastating or really bad, it actually ended up being a really good lesson. That is like forever and grain to me. And I'll give you one that I think of right into that comes to mind that is probably a big regret. I definitely learned from it, so I don't know how much of this is a regret. Yeah, it's hard to look at it from that standpoint,

Starting point is 01:27:24 because if you didn't do those things, how the hell would you? Right, but you're racing that, right, like forgetting that. So something that I went through in my, from about 20 to 25, I would say, somewhere in that range, I spent a lot of fucking money,

Starting point is 01:27:40 and I spent a lot of money on not just myself, but other people and friends, and a lot of money on not just myself, but other people and friends. And a lot of that was driven by my own insecurities, right? Because I was the kid who didn't have a lot of things growing up. I reached a level of success. And it wasn't like I was rich. I was just a kid who was 20 years old, making six figures. But for me, it felt like I was rich, you know, and I felt this need to feel that way. So I expressed it through buying people things and flying everybody everywhere and spending money and Vegas and tables and picking up $600 bar tabs and fancy restaurants

Starting point is 01:28:16 all the time and always picking up the bill and taking care of that. And I really trained a lot of my friends for a long time to expect that. It caused a lot of issues with our friendships later on. Because later on I started to resent them. It took me a lot to own that it was my fault. That I was the one that trained them. They're all good friends of mine. They love me either way, but because of my insecurities of wanting to feel like the guy who had all the money all the time,

Starting point is 01:28:48 I paid for everything on so sure when we go do things, you know, in my late 20s, we go somewhere, you know, my friends would kind of look over at me, bill would come flying over and everybody just like, you know, Adam's got it, he's always got money, you know, saying, like, he'll pay for it. And I remember at a point where I was like, man, what am I doing? Like, this is like, this is so wasteful and not fair to me that I'm doing it, we'll pay for it. And I remember at a point where I was like, man, what am I doing? Like this is like, this is so wasteful and not fair to me that I'm doing it, but at the same time too, I trained them to do that because for years, I was feeding this insecurity

Starting point is 01:29:16 by paying for all these people. And it took me years later to break that and to retrain that. I first had to accept that it was my fault and own that and then dig deeper into that insecurity of wanting to feel rich or look like I had all these things and then I had to first fix that. And then I also had to retrain my friends that, hey, regardless if I got the money to do it or not,

Starting point is 01:29:41 like motherfucker, you gotta pay for your shit every now and then, you know what I'm saying? Or we gotta split this every now and then, but I hated doing that stuff. I don't like that. There's nothing that bothers me more. You want people to ask. Yeah. Yeah. You want people to be like, no, no, no, no, it feels good. Like, okay, cool. I appreciate that. Yes. Totally. So that was, you know, and again, back on me, if I had to try and pick a regret, that's the first thing that comes to mind that I think going back, I would have done things totally different.

Starting point is 01:30:08 And because of that, I think I would have saved a lot of turmoil and hard conversations with my friends. I would have saved a lot of money. So that's probably the biggest regret that I could think of. Yeah, man, I'm really trying to think of something that like stands out completely, but because you made a good point about doing all these things that ended up teaching you a life lesson that is even

Starting point is 01:30:31 more valuable because I put myself out there and I risked my comfort level. And I feel like I am where I am today because of the major risks I took in my life and I can I can trace back to those major risks that have you know some of them have failed miserably and some of them have you know thrived in either way like to me the failed ones I hold even more valuable just because for me me, it just showed me how resilient I could be in the face of something not working out completely the way I wanted it to, but also just reevaluate and I continually reevaluate the process of how sometimes I basically replay it in my mind of how I could improve it. And so it's like, it's a real experience that now I can keep a learning from it whenever I see that come up as a pattern. So for me to repeat the pattern would be, that would be devastating.

Starting point is 01:31:39 Right. I definitely think there are lessons, however, that you learn from a mistake that perhaps somebody else also had to pay the price for. And those are the ones that I would be more likely to regret. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I fuck up and I make a mistake and I learn from it, and somebody else, like, I can't, from it. Yeah, I can't regret it, but if somebody else got hurt from it, like I said, when I get mad and yell out my kids,

Starting point is 01:32:01 that's a great example. Yeah, it's like, I learned from that for me, but fuck, these poor kids or whatever had to pay the prize for me learning or making this mistake. No, I agree. I think parenting wise, of course. I could totally figure, find one of those moments

Starting point is 01:32:17 where I felt like a total piece of shit, because I wasn't in the right state of mind, you know, and I, I lashed out or I said something that I wanted to take back. And, you know, I know that, I know that that's happened and I know that later on in life, like your kids will come back and be like, you know, they'll remember those moments

Starting point is 01:32:42 and bring them up, you know, and that sucks. That sucks when you face that, but we're human beings, you know, they'll remember those moments and bring them up, you know, and that sucks. That sucks when you face that, but we're human beings, you know, like, is this, if I'm not, if I'm not checking that process and always thinking about that, like, and trying to improve upon that process, then, you know, like, it's a, it's a much more philosophical question than you think. Yeah, I don't, I don't know why you't know. Because even the point that you bring up right there with like, because you struck a chord for me right there with like, oh shit, you know,

Starting point is 01:33:11 what about situations that I've done where I hurt somebody else? Or like, for example, I lost a best friend over a situation, right? Like we both were my buddy, my best friend at the time and I was the best man in his wedding. And I have so much love for the guy. And you know, we, there's a lot of stress that was surrounding the business that we are currently running. This is when I was doing the cannabis

Starting point is 01:33:35 clubs. I was growing. He was, he was creating wax and stuff like that. And we are doing all this stuff together. And it was just super stressful time. And we kind of had a blow up. And, you know, we forever went different directions. And we haven't spoke since then. And I remember I wrote him like every month for a year, because I was, he was such a close friend of mine. And I think like, fuck, you know, do I regret that conversation? Do I regret that big blow up in that fight? Or do I regret even going into that business with them and because I lost the best friend? And I think for a long time, I might have regretted it,

Starting point is 01:34:10 but when I really start to think about it now and think about how we continue to evolve and grow and sometimes you outgrow relationships, I have to ask myself that potentially was that relationship heading down an unhealthy path? And I don't know, I have to ask myself that, you know, potentially was that relationship heading down an unhealthy path and, you know, I don't know, maybe it was and maybe really what happened was for the best. You know, and so that's the philosophical side of me that's going to be.

Starting point is 01:34:35 It's true, because you're always going to think like, well, it's supposed to be that way. Right, right. So it's hard to regret something if you believe that things are, you know, the way that they're supposed to be. Well, especially if you see the future getting better and better and better, I think that if I were to make a decision that brought me and I started spiraling, you know, from that decision and I wasn't able to pull myself out of it, I would definitely regret that, you

Starting point is 01:35:01 know, that I chose that direction. Like if it was something where, yes, somebody like obviously got hurt or like I, you know, that I chose that direction. Like if it was something where, yes, somebody like, obviously got hurt or like, you know, I had to, I had to pay the price for that and like, like basically dig myself out of something that was like, well, that's how I, that's why I asked you guys, you know, and I know you had to get up for a second, but that's why I asked you guys that I thought it was a really

Starting point is 01:35:21 cool that we followed this question up after the child thing because you guys in a sense are seeing that play out right now. Some of the decisions maybe you made as parents that you might have thought was the right decision back then or you didn't even think at all about it. Parenthood is a constant stream of questioning yourself. Constantly, and it's a hard game to play. You do play and it's okay

Starting point is 01:35:45 And I understand why you do it is a parent because you want to make sure you do a good job But if you get caught up in it you get frozen by it because you will question every goddamn every day and quite thing You make everything you're adding them explore like for instance like you know my kid like hurt himself falling off out of a tree You know like should I blame myself for not telling them to come down? Like, I'd struggle with that. No, I think that's different and there's lessons in that. I think more of like, you know, did you guys put your kids on formula right away?

Starting point is 01:36:13 Or did you allow them to eat ice cream and candy when they were two? Again, if you do things like that, again, if you think that things are the way they're supposed to be, then you can't regret anything. But I will say this, one of the worst regrets you could ever possibly have in my opinion is the regret of not telling someone how you really feel about them before they're out of your life. That I could see that.

Starting point is 01:36:39 I could see that one being a tough one because now for me, luckily, I've always been okay with expressing myself. And I've lost a couple very close people to me, very, very close, but I never regretted not saying how I felt about them because you guys know me. You know if I love somebody, I'm gonna tell them, man, woman, whatever, I'm gonna tell the person I much I care about them. And I'm glad I do because I have lost two people very close to me. And there was never the, and I did look I have lost two people very close to me. And there was never the, and I did look, one of them was a close family member. And after she was gone,

Starting point is 01:37:11 you know, there were, I, there were definitely people that were like, God, I wish I told her how awesome she was to me and how much she really impacted me. And that's a tough one. That is, that's a tough one. Yeah. So, I mean, I, that's a good piece. That is tough. That's a tough one. Yeah, so let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, most in overall approach to philosophy, wealth, podcasting, etc?

Starting point is 01:37:48 Cool question. Is a cool question. I can think of, so I can make a one book and then I do a lot of my reading online. So, although I do read books, most of the reading I do is stuff that I look up online or lectures that I'll find on YouTube. I love watching people speak and I think I learn better that way, at least I move in that direction. But one book that really impacted me was, and I can't remember the author, God is not great.

Starting point is 01:38:19 Maybe you can look that up, Doug, who wrote that book. But it's the, and I can't believe I can't remember his name because he's like the, or God is not, I think it's God is not great. He's like one of the world's most prolific atheists if I'm not mistaken. But I read that book already Richard Dawkins, is that what it was?

Starting point is 01:38:40 Yeah, how religion poisons everything. So, that's ironic that you chose that book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, oh, Christopher Hitchens, I'm sorry, Christopher Hitchens. So this was years ago when I first read this book. Up until this point, I had become very, very skeptical and of religion. I had become very cynical of religion. My family, of course, being Catholic, I'd go to Catholic church on holidays and stuff like that. I'd look at all the ritual and then when I visited the Vatican, I saw this opulence and I just thought this is ridiculous, this is hypocritical, this is terrible, and I blamed everything for on religion. I thought it was just silly. Why are people believed in this shit because they didn't have science, they

Starting point is 01:39:21 didn't understand how things worked, and so they'd make things up. And then I read this book and it really solidified that for me and I became an atheist, hardcore atheist. But when you become an atheist, when you're a real hardcore atheist, you actually question, you actually look at the question of God much deeper than someone who doesn't think about it at all. And most people, or a lot of people I know,

Starting point is 01:39:44 don't even think of that question. They don't think of, is there a God, like what, like, it's not a question they ponder over. But if you're an atheist, you've actually done a lot of thinking about it. You've actually sat down and thought and read and come up with this consensus. And so this book,

Starting point is 01:39:58 sometimes, this book got me to think, well, you're right, but some people say they are, yeah, some people are pretty ignorant. But they may not be, they, they don't realize they're worshiping different gods. That's right, you're right, but some people say they are. Yeah, some people are pretty ignorant. But they may not be. They don't realize they're worshiping different gods. That's right. And so this book brought, I became a hardcore atheist, and so I started talking about it more with people,

Starting point is 01:40:14 debating people and diving deeper. And this book pushed me then to, because of this book, I started learning more and more about science, and I started reading books on quantum physics. Quantum physics is fucking weird. Very, very weird. Watch a couple documentaries, did my own research, and I started to realize that we don't know at all much.

Starting point is 01:40:36 We don't know much at all. In fact, especially if you look at some of the weird, strange occurrences in quantum physics, kind of sounds like some of the stuff that people in religions and spiritual practices will preach. And so it brought me down this path where I went from atheism to being more agnostic to really diving into that question. And so this, that book actually moved me

Starting point is 01:40:58 in not in the direction of atheism as much as it moved me in the direction of really examining that question and what that meant for me And so it led me on a more spiritual path, I should say so and I know Christopher Hitchens if you heard this would be like fuck That wasn't my goal. That's why so I have to counter that with It if so top three for me is challenging top one is very easy for me It's not even a close call. The Bible is by far, the most powerful read I have ever read in my life. And I know there's probably people that listen and then probably cringe at that. And a lot of that, I challenge you to ask yourself,

Starting point is 01:41:38 why do you cringe at that? A lot of people haven't read it. Exactly. Very few people that... Because you can read it without... Without going to church. Without being a religious person, a believer. You don't have to go to a church and belong to a congregation to read the most powerful book ever written. And I'll debate somebody all fucking day long on that. Because name a topic, a subject that you want to learn about or you want advice in. And then I bet you money, you can find it multiple times written about inside that book.

Starting point is 01:42:09 The problem with it is that what man has done with just about anything is we've bastardized everything. We've taken something and we have manipulated it to create these congregations and dogma. And we've turned it into such an ugly nasty thing that we've divided ourselves as a society of half the group of these people worship it and it's everything to them. And then the other half the people rebuke it and say it's awful and I would never read it. It's like, no, you're talking about

Starting point is 01:42:36 one of the best books ever written. It's definitely the most read. And that's a statistic that's real. And the last 50 years, someone did the statistics on this. The last 50 years have been 3.9 billion copies sold in 50 years. Now obviously the Bible's thousands of years old. That mean the way I look at it is this and this is coming from someone who again was atheist. There's no longer atheists but I'm not specifically religious but I'm definitely open to you know spirituality. there's ancient texts

Starting point is 01:43:06 have a lot of wisdom. And the fact that the Bible, and there's other ancient texts that are widespread, but the Bible in particular, which is the most popular one, the reason why it's so popular and has spread so far, and people continue to read it even today, is because there's a lot of wisdom in it, for sure. There's a ton.

Starting point is 01:43:26 Yeah, so you don't have to be a religious person, you don't even have to believe in God to find some of the religion. I know, I know. I know, and I know we're all on the same thought process right now, so that was one of mine, but at the same time, it's because I went through, I mean, my whole childhood was breaking down

Starting point is 01:43:41 like the meaning and the purpose and, you know, within proverbs and, you know, all the different, um, parables and different ways they explain things and just the communication that's in there. But, you know, for me, like, I was very, I've always been a skeptic. And so even within that setting and that environment, I have felt uncomfortable. Like I've felt like the human element of it in the way that you just see like different ways that's gone different interpretations. So it's so many different directions.

Starting point is 01:44:18 People like humans have taken it, like the message and then sort of muddied the message. And so I've always been like very curious to find what the actual message was. And like what, you know, if we were to get to the root of of the message, which, you know, people have used for power and people have used to put people under oppression. And so anyway, I've always had that and asked really hard questions, you know, to preachers and to people within the faith, to really analyze, because I just don't,

Starting point is 01:44:51 I always wanted empirical evidence, that's why I was into science. I really got into science because I could test things and I could figure things out tangibly of like, okay, this equates to this and it's constant, you know, like math is a constant thing that I can rely on and so anyway, I brought me to this book, it was called The Science of God

Starting point is 01:45:13 and that was by Gerald L. Schroder, I believe. I've heard great things about that book. I've never read it. Yeah, so I have that in my house. I've read it multiple times, but it's just a way that what this author was trying to do was like, realize that at one point science and religion, you know, like, they used to be the great thinkers in the world started within

Starting point is 01:45:33 the church. The church actually funded scientific research for a long time, funded a lot of the stuff. It divided, I think, because the powers that be within the church viewed it as a threat, especially when you had people saying things like, oh, the earth actually revolves around something else. Things don't revolve around us. Well, yeah, and if things don't fit narratives, it's like you just dismiss all the actual signs. Instead of trying to interpret our world based off of a creator in mind, there was this big division that had to happen

Starting point is 01:46:07 all of a sudden. So anyway, my brain is always like, well, what did it, you know, what the original message looked like? And why did we like receive benefit from it? The part for the that I find the wisdom in that in the Judeo-Christian religion that I find so most fascinating is the radical notion because people need to realize just how fucking radical The following idea is or was when it first came out It was the notion that there is sanctity in the individual because every individual had a soul This is the teaching from the Judeo-Christian religion every person person has a soul and every all souls are a piece of God. We all have God within us. That was a radical notion because during these periods of time

Starting point is 01:46:53 and way before that, Kings and Queens were, they were the fucking blessed ones. Everybody else was a peasant, or if you had power, if you had money, then these people were less than, they were less than you. Well here comes this belief system that says, no, we're all equal. We're all equal in the eyes of God, we're all made in God's image or whatever. And that led to the, that led to the freedom, that led to free to countries that valued

Starting point is 01:47:20 the individual. And of course, it didn't happen overnight, it took time. But we now see how successful that viewpoint is because if you don't believe that well then why would you? Why would you treat everybody the same? Well, it doesn't make any objective sense you would this guy has he can't offer me anything and I'll give a shit about him And you're a peasant and I'm rich and you're disabled or whatever like might as well kill you I'm in charge. I'm the that was the belief system before people believe this underlying

Starting point is 01:47:47 You know this that came from something bigger than that. I said no, no, we're all we all have a god within us So we all have to Respect that you know, and that's sanctity right of the individual So that's some brilliant brilliant wisdom that was completely radical that came from that that I will always Respect regardless whether or not I believe in the, the, you know, the, the metaphysical part of it. So we all, we all picked a, you know, God type of book. Mine was an anti-collegiate. Yeah, which is great though.

Starting point is 01:48:15 No, I think that's, I think that's great. I think it's hands down. I think that when we get to books two and three is where there's going to be a lot of diversity amongst each of us. And even myself going through like my library of books and go like, man, which ones have been the most impactful? And I think that this is going to be so different for everybody. So I'm going to name books that maybe may not be that impactful for you, but I think they represent a time in my life that when they

Starting point is 01:48:41 came that was so important for me to probably read that. And a book that I tend to recommend a lot to people. And again, it's selfishly for me because how it impacted me was developing the leader within by John C. Maxwell. And that sent me down a rabbit hole. I read almost all his books. I read a ton of his books and he's got a bajillion of them because I had fallen in love with the style of his writing and he's got a bajillion of them because I had fallen in love with the style of his writing and the message behind it. And he does like the way he writes, he writes in these short stories and for a guy like me who had a hard time reading books and staying focused in the book and I would trail off a lot of my thoughts.

Starting point is 01:49:21 He really started, his way of writing is what really gave me that thirst to read and grow more. So it was very impactful. And then of course to read a book like developing the leader within, much of those principles are within that book. And the way he writes, he writes in these short stories. So a chapter is only five to ten pages sometimes. And so I can be engulfed in a short story really, really quick and easily and not be distracted. And I would digest a lot of that. So that was an extremely impactful book for me. Yeah, for me, the next ones are weren't books.

Starting point is 01:49:57 Now, I did read books by these individuals, but it wasn't the books that impacted me the strongest. So the next thing for me was, I deal a lot of learning through watching lectures and there was a talk, this was years ago that Ron Paul gave to Congress, and it was a talk about, I almost forgot his fed up book, that was a good book.

Starting point is 01:50:17 Yeah, he did a talk on terrorism and how would we feel if we were being bombed and would we become terrorists and you know, and he did this whole talk on it. And it blew me the fuck away. Like I listen to this man, I'm like, oh, I never thought of things in that way. And I went down the rabbit hole of Ron Paul

Starting point is 01:50:38 and watching his talks and what he says about freedom, what he says about, you know, our foreign policy of, you know, invading other nations and all this other stuff. And it led me down a path that really, you know, shaped me to kind of who I am. Because of Ron Paul, I started reading about economics, I started reading, you know, about Austrian economics

Starting point is 01:50:59 versus Kenisian economics. I read me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, Sissing, you know, Hayek, which then led me to the, I'll give my third person real quick, which was Milton Friedman. And Milton Friedman has a series on YouTube called Free to Choose. It's an old series, it was filmed in,

Starting point is 01:51:16 I think 1979 or 1980. Absolutely brilliant. And I like that it's old because all of the predictions he made in some of these videos about what's gonna happen if we don't change course totally true So watching that was like watching a pro like a dude prophesize what's about to happen right and then a lot of it happening going oh shit And Milton Friedman has been a huge impact on me You know just in terms of understanding how you know human behavior and markets or at least how economics is kind of what drives

Starting point is 01:51:47 peace and prosperity in the world. So that's always my third one. Yeah, I just, I think for me, less on books and just more on just initial storylines that I helped me to think deeper. And I've gone, I think for me, like what really changed was just like kind of getting diving deep into like philosophy and philosophers. And I took a couple courses in college that really challenged my way of thinking, like really

Starting point is 01:52:22 diving into Socrates and Plato-Doh and St. Augustine and just understanding the freedom to explore your own thought process and understand the world around you without subscribing to somebody else's already laid out thought process. And so I've used that in everything I've done going forward. It's just like, it's like question everything. You know, it's like, is what you believe really what you believe? And being an individual, what does that look like? For me, it was leaving my comfort zone and going to Chicago and understanding who I was as a person. I've been hammered growing up my whole

Starting point is 01:53:14 life to live a certain way, be a certain type of person, subscribe to a certain thought process, follow these rules. And just knowing that there was brilliant minds in the past that collectively would challenge each other and would think about the bigger things. Like why do we even exist? You know, like what, what is our purpose? What, like, I just can't, I can't pull away from that. That's always something that I come back to. Well, I think all the stokes are awesome. I think that's a, and it's hard for me to pinpoint

Starting point is 01:53:53 just one book. Right. Because I could say something about Aristotle, you know, like I've read books on him in Socrates and I always get something out of that. Just because I just love love I love hearing people challenge common thought I so I'm gonna give you guys one that I think is kind of cool to or pertains to

Starting point is 01:54:15 maybe My philosophy now and how that's changed so just recently and like you'd since my pump has started Because I could go all day long about all these different books that I think have impacted me in different ways and that I think they all have in a sense, right? But I think it'll be cool to tell you guys something that I think is really, and I think the guys are gonna really piggyback off of this or agree with me.

Starting point is 01:54:37 Rise of Superran and Stealing Fire were very enjoyable books for me and they also really changed how we do certain things as a group and then how I do things as an individual now because before that I was just not familiar with flow state. I just had never really used anyone heard anyone use that term and even if I did I didn't register on what that was it was it a real thing was it just a term that people are making up? Can you actually train to be in flow state?

Starting point is 01:55:07 Can you actually do things to promote this state that people talk about? And the book does a really good job of introducing that to somebody like me who is just not familiar with what flow state is. And I took so many things from those books that we now apply within MindPum. There's these little rituals that we all kind of do.

Starting point is 01:55:32 And when you really unpack these things like what we're doing is we have found things that promote this group flow and that provides either one a better show or two a better product or three, you know, a better program. Like, so, and I've been able to apply it to many things that I do, even like something as simple as walking into a conversation with my partner and making sure that I do the work to mentally prep myself to go into those conversations, make a huge difference, or before I go into an interview or someone's interviewing

Starting point is 01:56:09 or a big conversation that I have to have with another, maybe a sponsorship or another person that we're trying to do business with or negotiating something, like I've learned, I took some of the principles from that book and I've now applied it to my life and man It's it's really paid dividends. So you know as many books that I could list off that I think have been impactful That one is something currently that I think has personally impacted me and probably impacted the boys

Starting point is 01:56:38 And it's something that I think that we continue our developing and really the roots of that information and knowledge Came from those two books that you you know, may be, right? When she said, when she say so. Absolutely. I think it's something that we all really appreciate and try. I think we all, we all engaged in figuring out how to go into flow without even realizing that's the right way. Yeah, we kind of, we kind of, but it's nice because it makes you realize, okay, that's

Starting point is 01:57:00 why we end up going off on a trip. That's why we end up doing that ritual of the process because it puts us in that state. Now we have a name for it, we can identify it, and we can value it so we can respect it differently. Yeah, that's what I think so. So check this out, we have a bunch of free guides. We have a guide that teaches you how to train your arms,

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