Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 814: How Food Quality Affects Muscle Growth, Intermittent Fasting vs. Extended Fasts, How to Maximize Income as a Personal Trainer & MORE

Episode Date: July 14, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how to balance clients’ wants with what they really need, how to make a lot of money as a personal trainer, longer fasts vs. daily or frequent intermittent fasting and if eating a cleaner diet lead to a better physique. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!! The Mind Pump 6 Week Fitness Contest is here and the guys talk MACROS. The importance of tracking for mental awareness and your relationship with food. (4:16) Making drinks for different categories. Mind Pump new commercial for LIFEAID Beverage Co. and what are their favorites? (19:20) Is there a direct relationship between muscle mass and a healthy individual? 'Skinny fat' in older adults may predict dementia, Alzheimer's risk. (22:36) What is the strongest client they have ever trained? Do they have strength goals this year? (27:00) We are in the beginning of a “Transportation Revolution!” Mobility mania continues as Uber partners with Lime scooters after a $335m round. (36:17) What spaces in your house do you use or occupy in the most? What will be in each of the guy’s Man Caves? (39:55) How you have no excuse to make extra money. “Bird hunting” has become a pastime and a side hustle for teens and young professionals, but for some it’s a cutthroat business. (45:10) #Quah question #1 – As a trainer, how to balance clients’ wants with what they really need? (49:42) #Quah question #2 – How can I make a lot of money as a personal trainer? (1:04:25) #Quah question #3 – What is your opinion on longer fasts vs. daily or frequent intermittent fasting? (1:19:12) #Quah question #4 – Does eating a cleaner diet lead to a better physique? (1:26:28) People Mentioned: Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** LIFEAID Beverage Co 'Skinny fat' in older adults may predict dementia, Alzheimer's risk Muscular Adaptation Programming System | MAPS Split ... - Mind Pump Mobility mania continues as Uber partners with Lime scooters after a $335m round Electric Scooter Charger Culture Is Out of Control ELDOA METHOD Maps prime Pro Bundle - Mind Pump Media Mind Pump FREE Resources – Everything You Need to Know to Reach Your Fitness Goals Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com.   Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates.   Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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We got the hookup for you guys. Then we talked about maintaining muscle and strength while aging. So as we get older, like how are we gonna keep our bodies looking as pristine and awesome and sexy as they do now? Then we talked about wasted space in houses. We talked about the Dream Man Cave. That was fun.

That sounds like a dirty movie. And we talked about bird. A murderous blunking. Bird chargers. Bird Chargers. Bird catchers. Bird catchers and bird chargers. That's bird catchers, though. Yeah, they're both, though.

They call them chargers. They say chargers in the heart of the kite. Oh, look at that. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, as a trainer, how do you balance out what your client wants with what they really need? Because you know, you know better than they'd be.

Be a professional. Tell them how stupid they are. Yeah, it works every time. Then the next question was, with what they really need, because you know, you know better than they'd be. Be a professional. Tell them how stupid they are. Yeah, it works every time. Then the next question was, can we explain how you're able to make a lot of money as a personal trainer? Like, what if this person wants to make deep six figures?

How is that possible as a personal trainer? They're finding it very difficult. The first thing you need to do is stop sucking. Next question was, we, I advocate personally, longer fast once in a while, but what are our opinions on the daily short fast, like a 16 hour fast every day? What's the difference?

Long fast versus the daily short ones? What are the benefits? Which one should you do? Which one do we like? Is this trendy? Yep, and the last question was, food choices are very important for overall body composition, but let's say you ate the same amount of calories and macros with a diet that was made up of whole natural foods versus one that was made

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The games have just caught the games. The games have begun. The games, games. The contest to end all contests. Who will win? I'm back. I think, I'm here. I think this is gonna be exciting, bro.

I am here. I am in here. I'm present. I haven't been here for a while. I went through my own little divorce for about eight months. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Kind of like that.

Kind of like that. Kind of like that. That's not that close. Yeah. There's nothing like that. Oh, it's a rather than a man. Yeah. Dude, the contest this year though, have you bumped up your protein intake? What's going on?

Have you started or are you waiting till we do the first weigh-in? Oh, it's funny you went to that right away. Have we already started? Yeah, dietary wise and all that. I've been on point for 10 years. But I'm just wondering if you're just gonna have to consistency over there. I, you know, I don't know if it's because

I've done this so many times now, but I have a very methodical approach to getting into good shape. And I just change one little thing and every single week, I get a little bit better about something. And nutritionally, I'm not even at the point right now where I'm hardcore tracking in fat secret.

I just recently started tracking a little bit. And so what is a little bit of tracking in fat secret looks like? The only thing that I'm paying attention to right now is my protein intake. So it's funny you went that direction because, and I've mentioned this on the podcast before, but for me, I under, I grossly undery protein. If I do not, if I'm not paying attention to it and going and, uh, you just don't want it. It's not that I don't want it. It's just that I'm not paying attention to it and going and and uh, you just don't want it. It's not that I don't want it.

It's just that I'm a 220 pound guy and two or three good, so okay, an average serving of protein at a restaurant, unless you're getting like a fucking rib eye that's 14 or 16 ounces. Yeah. Which is by the way, rarely served, okay? Oh, that's true. Most steak servings when you buy eight ounces. Yeah, eight ounces.

That's small. And eight ounces is- What are they feeding babies? Right? Eight ounces is about 45 grams of protein. That's not a lot of protein. So if I had three steak meals in a day, it's still not enough protein for what I need

for the training volume that I'm doing now. Yeah, because what are you looking at? About 200, 210. Yeah, 200 is a nice, so for me, I would, my goal is 200. Now if I fall a little shorter that, I go a little over that, that's for whatever. So basically, are you aiming for like four high protein,

really high protein meal? Yeah, 50 grand. So think about that. So a steak dinner is still not enough for me. So I need to have a large steak dinner or get, what you guys saw me eat yesterday when we were out it I got a I got a Caesar salad that I added chicken Which is when they add chicken I know it's about four ounces And then I got a steak meal, which I know is about eight ounces

That's only 12 ounces of meat, but now that puts me more about 60 to 80 grams of protein for a meal and I'm eating about three meals a day Are you adding the shakes yet to try and get that up? So I use I use organifies shakes when I don't hit my requirements. So if I don't hit my requirements, end of the day. End of the day. So that's like kind of how I finish my night off. So and that this is where I'm using fat secrets.

So at the end of the night, this is like a Katrina and I will be heading to bed. We're normally heading to bed somewhere between seven and 10 p.m. And I'm always like going like, okay, do I need another meal? And then I'll lay right there in bed. I'll put in. Adding things. Yep. I'll start adding everything's up. Everything up in fat secret. And if I'm, if I'm somewhere close to that 200 mark, I'm not worried. Like if I'm at 160, 180 even, like not really like going to go get a shade. You don't want to go below 150. Right. That's so. So for me, it's more like that, which very easily I can have

two or three meals that are just standard four to eight ounce servings of meat. And so then I'm adding in the Organifi protein shake at the end of the night. And then I'm just mixing it. I'm just sprinkling it on my steak. What's what I'm doing? I take a stupid, organized, I just sprinkle it.

I'll be so disaccompanied. That would be so disgusting. I know, wouldn't be gross. I wouldn't put it past you though. I like the Organifiaccomizing. That would be so disgusting. I know, wouldn't be gross. I wouldn't put it past you though. I like the Organifi shakes by themselves. They taste pretty goddamn good. I used to do the vegan protein, remember? One of the ones I used to do all the time?

Yeah. And I can tolerate supplements that don't taste good. For whatever reason I have an incredible time. You don't even make like those faces like I make. No. Yeah, you guys are babies about it. I have no problem whatsoever. But now I'm spoiled with the Organified Shake

because I had a plant protein one the other day because I was at Whole Foods and I saw this packet sample. Dude, it's like chalk, like the stuff that you used to use in the chalkboards, you know? It does not sit right at my stomach. Yeah, like I drink it and then I was like, pff, and powder came out my face. It wasn't, it wasn't, Justin, have you ever tracked

to see what your macros are ever? Have you ever done that? I have, yeah. What do you, what was it? What do you targets? Well, because like, I was going pretty close to the one-to-one with protein and then I would base off that and go, you know, higher fat, you know, percentage, and then I would base off that and go higher fat percentage.

So that was something that I was concerned with. And so, yeah, my carbon take is always really low, actually. So that was something that wasn't like, I actually have to get more carbohydrates. If I'm gonna go for a more balanced kind of a macro profile. What were you hitting back way back in the early days of my pump when you were doing your transformation thing? Were you manipulating anything,

looking at the numbers or was it off by feel? It was mainly by feel. I'm not like the super on point to be completely honest about number tracking, but I would set myself up as like a standard of based off of the meals. And then I would try and duplicate that, but then based off of my feel going into the workouts,

like I would manipulate my carbs especially to make sure that my performance like in the gym, like because I do feel a difference if like I'm really low, and I'm trying to like lift heavy weights, like it really does affect me. So that's really it is more from a performance basis of like how you feel in the gym. How you feel in the gym.

Interesting. But yeah, if I took Adam's approach, I know it would change my composition. It's just a pain in the ass. It is. But I'm taking that upon myself to get better at that like for this this competition, and that's something that like I know will add in. Don't ask Adam for advice, though. I'm not, I'm not a fuck with Adam. You know what I mean?

Like screw that guy. I already learned everything I need to know. I'm just gonna talk about the shit for three years. You know what I'm saying? I'm like stubborn. You know what I mean? I just don't care. I don't care.

I have so many things in my life I need to concentrate on. And that's not one of those things that has ever been. It makes perfect balance for the show because in reality, and I saw somebody post this on Instagram the other day and I thought it was a really good post and they're like talking about, they showed a very healthy body.

Here's a healthy, very, very healthy person. And they don't look like, when you look at them, you would be like super impressed at all. You know, they had- Charatively lean. Yeah, decent muscle. And when you say relatively lean, I think people still think like, like, no, like, 14,

for a guy, it was like 14, 15% body fat around that range. They were kind of soft looking, you know, they didn't look overly much. There's a bit of an individual variance though, because for me, of course, for me healthy is lower than that. I'm not like shredded, but health for me is a little bit. Yeah, but that's why I fall. And it's some people fall a little higher. And it's also, I think it's also a moving target too, right?

I don't think that, you know, being healthy is living sometimes in a deficit, being healthy is sometimes living in a surplus, right? So I think that it's like a kind of ebb and flow type of deal. But I think that what I love about that Justin doesn't give a fuck about that stuff very much and he's not, you know, aesthetically driven is that I think there's a very, there's a lot of importance to that. Now, unfortunately, we would never be able to build a business without teaching people how to get ripped and shredded because people want to look a certain way.

Well, the knowledge is good to have, even if you don't ever do it, it's good to know what to do or how to manipulate things to get there. And that's why I think, too, it's good to also, you know, like get out of your comfort. So if it's not something you give a shit about, maybe like challenge yourself in that regard. Like it, like I know a lot of people on this podcast,

probably don't give a fuck about like, accomplishing performance feats, you know, or like. There are a lot of people that do though. You there are a lot, but there's a lot of people that don't, like they just wanna look better. Yeah. Is what I'm saying. So, you know, on that end of it,

that's kind of like where my spectrum, that's really all I've ever cared about ever since I was a kid. So the beauty of like competing and then taking it to the crazy level that I did as far as like measuring and tracking is it just gave me insight to how certain foods and habits that I had and how they affected me, positively and negatively negatively like there's certain things that I would have probably said before It's knowledge. Yeah, it gave me a whole and well, especially the way you did it because a lot of people just follow their Perscriptions and don't pay attention to anything right they just do what they're talking. I was consistently manipulating and changing always

Yeah, it was never eating the same thing. You were actually, you know, you were doing intuitive macro, you know, targeting is what you were doing. Right, right. If you really think about it, you know, because you're paying attention to all the signs and signals and realizing that, oh, if I get my macro profile to here,

but I eat a lot of bars, I look different than if I don't eat a lot of bars, or if I eat this kind of carb versus that kind of carb, if I drink this much water versus, you know, that's kind of like intuitive macro counting. A lot of people just get macro targets, then just they just blindly like, this is what I need to do, even though they feel like shit or their bodies aren't. Right, right. You know, responding the way they want.

So to me, that's the biggest takeaway from, you know, going to that low of a body fat percentage and being so crazy to where you track everything, I think I had a very, very healthy relationship with all of it. And I was able to let go of it, like nobody deal. I just picked up my fat secret app for the first time and probably a year and a half, almost two years. And I know some competitors that they just,

they freak out, they're either way off or way on, and need all these things, they need the weighing and measuring, they need the tracking in order to stay in shape where not me because I connected a lot of like, oh, when I eat these types of foods, it tends to kick up my cravings and then I make more bad choices and that leads to this. And if I just sacrifice these things that I like, that it really helps me overall. So I just learned a lot of little things like that that made a big difference. I'm excited to see how, what the changes we can make, it's what six weeks we decided right, six week period. So it'll be interesting. I think a six percent loss of body fat

in six weeks is a very good decent goal that I'd like to set for myself, between five to seven percent. I don't want to push it too much because I might end up losing lean body mass and pushing a little too different. I want to maintain some of my, even though the strength is not a parameter that we're manipulating. So I'm going to, I'll be honest with you guys,

my strategy in this is not purely just to get ripped, to get shredded. So this six weeks, I'm not gonna be dieting like I would to get ready for a show, because I still am building my physique back to where it was before. So I'm gonna be using a lot of our techniques that we talk about, which is, you know,

in and out of our depth, so deficit surplus, deficit surplus, I won't be cutting for longer than about two weeks. I probably won't be bulking longer than about two weeks because I probably won't be bulking longer than about two weeks because I do care about lean body mass more than I care about reducing my body. Now that being said, my goal is to lean out during these six weeks even more, but even more so I care about the lean body mass than anything else because I still would like to have more muscle on me than I have right now and I'd like to be stronger than what I am right now. So I'm still as much as we're in a competition, I'm very much so still on my track of what I'm trying to do.

Well, number one is, I don't think anybody's going to compromise their own health and bodies. Yeah, well, that's the thing. I don't want to, because my entire goal this year, which I've already been chipping away at, was to just bring my overall health, you know, weighed, you know, better. Like I had to address things that I've been fighting like chronically my whole life. So I mean, I'm already like chippin' away at that and then like sleep apnea is like the other part

I'm really trying to avoid or, you know, recognize that maybe I do have a little bit of that and I need to address that and how can I do that nutritionally and how can I do that with my lifestyle habits. Are you gonna still eat cheese? No. You're not gonna eat cheese? I don't believe that.

Oh, forget it, bro. He's gonna win. That's the problem. Because cheese outwe're secret. We're gonna, you're gonna see her win. I said why I subscribed to one of those like automatic cheese things I could set here. It's automatic cheese.

Yeah. Cheese on command. You're gonna have cheese platters out. So back of the day, this reminds me, back of the day. I am really, I am really disciplined motherfucker. You guys, like that's why I don't eat. You just treat it for butter, bro. I saw I'm drinking the butter at breakfast yesterday.

Yeah, I love it. Can I get more butter, please? There's 14 packets on the table, bro. How many more do you need? Actually, so it's funny. We went to get coffee once and I ate a pat of butter and Justin looked at me just fondly. Like that's my boy.

You're my guy. And he had some. Years ago, years ago, I was probably like 19 or 20. I was competing with my buddy Don, one of my good good friends, and we were trying to see who could get leaner. And we would sabotage the fuck. Like I would go to the, like I go get food, right?

I go get burrito, so I'd be like, all right, what do you want? And he's like, all right, I want, you know, chicken, rice, beans. He trusted you. Oh bro, I'd be like, I'm like extra sour cream. Or I would get sandwiches, you know? I mean, can you put extra mayonnaise on his? Or I put like candy bars in his desk,

so we'd open his desk, like a candy bar right there. It was fucking hilarious, dude. We were fucking each other so bad. Or he'd be like, is this a diet coke? Is it taste really sweet? I'd be like, I don't know that's a diet. I'm not even good in Plannies all over the place for Adam. Oh, that's gonna be so fun.

It's gonna be so fun. Yeah, Jackie brought me these fucking mic and I, they've been sitting right next to me bro for months. I'm in a zone. Yeah, brother, I'm in a fucking zone. I'm gonna open it. I'm gonna just throw in all the trees. I'm gonna throw in all the trees. I'm gonna throw in all the trees. I'm gonna throw in all the trees. I'm gonna throw in all the trees. I'm gonna a zone yeah brother open I'm in a fucking zone I'm gonna I'm gonna just a swim in all swimming good in place bro swim it not even tripping dude I'm

what he yeah hold my breath no problem yeah no problem man once I once I said red velvet cake so there's a reason why committed is tattooed on my forearm bro once I once I commit to something and say I'm gonna do some is game over for a bit bro that's like that's like we say like where it teaches isn't my like where a teacher says I'm a badass, like it doesn't mean you're a badass. Sure, it's the first step in that direction. That's why we're a tap out. It's like people that, yeah.

That's why I got a Superman emblem tattoo. And it's here, because that's why I am. Yeah, exactly. I love it. It's gonna be fun. Dude, how good did the commercial do that video that we made? What was it for life? Oh, for life aid.

Oh, I set up a money. So money. Yeah, no, people can find it and go watch it. So money. It's on the landing page. You can actually, well, I know that, oh yeah, it's right. Taylor put a teaser of it on the Instagram page. And then we all have, I know, I saw Justin did his,

his InstaStory commercial. I saw you did your, I'll just do it. Did your, I still owe my, so I'm gonna get his his insta story commercial. I saw you did your style just did it Yeah, I still owe my instead. I'm gonna get yelled at by Brianna here, so what's their promotion right now you get two cans for 99 bucks? Bro, I mean so 99 cents. Excuse me, bro You get two cans for names like up Like nice commercial there guys. It's a good deal. No, 99 cents for two cans. Plus free shipping. Free shipping.

No, it's brilliant. It's really brilliant with, I mean, they lose money. That's nothing to get people to try it, which I think is cool. Yeah, the one that I mean, that's a lot of confidence in your product. The one that I like the most is the party aid. Yeah.

I really like the way, I really do like the life aid that sounds like, oh, that's just the flavor. Well, exactly. What I like most about is it tastes good and there's no artificial flavors. Nothing artificial in there. Yeah, I mean.

And it's also super low-calus, a 45-calus. What I think is really cool that they did is how they're making drinks for categories. I just think that's really cool. It's smart. Instead of just being like, let's just over stimulate the fucking of everybody

for anybody who wants energy. It's like, okay, well, there's a lot of thought that one is. Yeah, like, okay, this sport, this is what they're gonna be looking for. Well, like partyade has milk this lot of thought that one. Yeah. Okay, this sport, this is what they're going to be looking for. Like, partyate has milk thistle, which helps your liver detoxify things, which if you're drinking a lot or partying, it's a good thing to have is five HTP, which helps replenish

serotonin because after a, you know, heavy night of partying, serotonin may be a little depleted. So you may want to take some five HTP. There's tyrosine in there, which helps produce dopamine in the brain. They've got good ingredients in decent amounts, and then there's no artificial sweeteners. It tastes good. It's like 45 calories a can. That's, they've done it.

They've done it. I mean, how hard is it to get us to work with a drink company? You know what I mean? Almost impossible. But you know, the guy, they brought their stuff. We took a look at it. No, I think we talked about Aaron last time. Like it's big for us.

Like when we meet a CEO or owner of a company, I mean, if we like you and we like what you're message and what they're doing and like where they're going, like I'm a big fan. And you're a cool person. Yeah, that's easy. Yeah, we're all tied together. I mean, they're big in the Spartan world now,

and we're connected to that whole world, and like with everything's going on there. So I just like their message, I like what they're doing. I even love the way that they're marketing it like that. I mean, two cans for $0.99, that's pretty dope, and get it, and they do shipping. Not a lot of like ready to drink drinks are shipped like that. So it's not, you can't make it.

I'm saying it better than I remember the days where you'd get like those safely select, you know, version of like sodas and it was like a quarter. You're like yeah, cause it reminded you of when things were less like that. It just said cola. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Dr. Becker or whatever. It didn't even say grape on it. It just said purple. You know what I mean? Purple, Drake. I'll get the purple one. That one's good. Hey, what's your favorite flavor? or becker or whatever. It didn't even say grape on it, just said purple. You don't need like purple drape. I'll get the purple one. That one's good. Hey, what's your favorite flavor?

Red. Dude, so check out the title of this article that I read the other day, Skinny Fat and Older Adults may predict dementia and Alzheimer's risk. So they're starting to find now, they're starting to find now that low muscle mass in combination with a lot of body fat is an important predictor of whether or not

you're gonna have dementia and Alzheimer's. Now we've talked about this before, where a lot of scientists or experts in the field of dementia and Alzheimer's are calling them. Type three diabetes. Type three diabetes. Now is this because your low muscle mass and metabolism is gonna be lower,

the average person's probably over-consuming, you're thinking inflammation in the brain. Also, I would think that's what this is. Your brain's, the insulin resistance, okay? Your body's inability to use insulin efficiently is a very strong predictor for dementia and Alzheimer's. And there's nothing is a greater insurance or a better insurance against that than muscle mass. Ciccopenia, which is losing muscle mass or low muscle mass, we've known for a long time

is connected to the reason behind it is just simply though because you're speeding your metabolism by having a larger demand and need for, because you're speeding your metabolism up by having a larger demand and need for glucose because you have muscle mass. Right. I mean, that's muscle just more simply put. Yeah. And muscle, you know, utilizes and stores some glycogen along with the liver. So having more muscle just makes you more sensitive to insulin.

So the studies that I've looked up show that a 10% increase in muscle mass all across the board will reduce your diabetes risk by over 12%. So there's like a direct relationship and I've been talking about this. Which we need 10% well 10% 200 pounds 20 pounds it's a lot. Yeah, but they're talking about like across the board. People who already have diabetes, people who are old, people like everybody.

When you look at healthy individuals, the percentage goes up even more. And here's a thing, and I've been talking about this for a long time, build muscle. Like in the context of modern life, more muscle is gonna fashion metabolism, better insulin sensitivity. You get away with more when you have more muscle.

And if you want to protect your brain, they're finding this is a big one. I mean, look at the other tests that they're doing where they're testing people and showing that a grip test or your ability to just stand up off the floor. That by themselves are good predictors of all cause mortality later on life. Like they'll take, they'll take people and they don't have to test anything else and they'll test their grip strength. And if you're weak or if you can't get up off the floor without helping yourself with a chair or something You know that that's been that's like a life goal for me that is to never to lose that obviously at one point in my life I will eventually lose it so to keep maintaining that as long as possible is the ability to get up off the ground with no hands

Oh, just your legs, hmm floating just being out. Yeah No, no, did in order to have the core strength and hip mobility to do that, I mean, it's not as easy as it may sound. I mean, a lot of people probably listening to the show actually might not even be able to do that without putting your hands on the ground and pushing up. Well, most people,

no, what the tests are, the tests let you use your hands. I know. Just can't grab onto them. Yeah, that's the average test for fucking everybody and fat people. You want one with your hands? I'm a different people.

Right, for me personally, I've set a goal for myself to be able to get it. So I'm always practicing different ways of getting it to from the 1990 position. Yeah, from the Neil, yeah. Yeah, so I think it's a cool thing to test yourself and to see, can I get up off the ground without using any hands? I mean, obviously if you can't do it with hands, you can't do without it. But I think that's a cool goal to have

and a good gauge to realize, oh shit, when that starts getting tough, this is not a good, I need work. For me, I've thought about that myself. And for me, one of my goals is to be always for most of my life, to be able to squat my body weight and deadlift one and able to squat my body weight and deadlift one and a half times my body weight.

Now they're not huge, that's not a huge goal, right? That'd be a 300 pound deadlift and a 200 pound squat. But I think if I'm 75 years old and I can do that, I think I'm kicking ass. I think it's realistic if I stay consistent. Because I've trained people in that age group who've been consistent training. And that's something that's totally achievable. I've trained, like I age group who've been consistent training, and that's something that's totally achievable.

I've trained, you know, like I said, a client who's 77 now, I think, I haven't trained him a long time, but I know he can do those things and he's been working out for his whole life. I wonder what the strongest client, old client I've had that squatting in deadlift, you know, I was trying to think of that right now.

What's the strongest client you've ever trained? Have you ever trained a client stronger than you? Yeah, and areas. Yeah, what's the biggest lift you guys have ever? I don't think I've ever trained anybody who can out dead lift me or out squat me, which is not that impressive because somebody would just have to be able to squat

more than about a 450 pound squat and dead lift more than 550 pounds. But I don't think I've had a client that can do either of those. But I've definitely had people who can overhead press me and chest press better than me. So if I client said, Well, I've had squat and did lift. I mean, I've trained a lot of alignment.

Yeah, I mean, so it's, yeah, there was a lot of body mass, but the ratio, I think, you know, if you went like body weight to strength ratio, like I think that we could have been comparable, but like it's but it was ridiculous. Because I'm training like, 350, almost 400 pound guys I've trained before. So, putting up crazy numbers, like 500 pounds. I have a train.

I didn't train a lot of athletes, so it wasn't very, very common. Doug was a... Well, it's not very common to train athletes' period. No, it's not. It was very short lift too. I think people are surprised by that. I think there's windows you have them. Yeah, I think people.

That's actually a mistake I think a lot of trainers might. No, yeah, I thought so. I thought when I got into training, I was like, oh man, I'm gonna be trained all kind of. I wanted to be a special, I wanted to specialize in just training athletes. That's a funny stupid, right? Yeah, because like, it comes up on the show all the time

that like, that's my background. But yeah, it is. But I would literally see them for maybe a couple months out of the year and that was it. And then I just basically give them a protocol to keep repeating, but yeah, it's a terrible business strategy to have everything focused just on athletes. Unless you're right next to a facility where you're training all next to like, you know, a facility where, you know,

you're training all of the pro athletes. Yeah. You know, it's funny nowadays, like a 500 pound plus deadlift in a decent gym is in super impressive. It wasn't that long ago where I would put five plates on the bar and pull it off the floor and everybody in the gym would freak out because nobody deadlifted. Yeah. But now you see, you're starting to see more people,

kind of making me sad. It's crazy how much I... I did, I used to be just so unique. Bro, I used to go to gold because I'm not a massive guy. So I'd go in there and I never saw that. Yeah, I'd weigh, you know, 195, right? I'd go in there and lean or whatever,

but I'm not like this huge dude. And I'd put over five plates on the bar and I'd pull it up and trainers and bodybuilders would come up and be like, oh fuck man, that's a lot. But it's because nobody deadlifted. Now I'm starting to see, I don't see it's super common, but you still, you see strong, strong dudes pulling five plates.

Oh, it's, it's, it's played deadlift is rare. Yeah, that's still rare. That's still pretty rare. I think it's pretty rare to even see anybody pulling over four or five plates, too. It's not that it's, anytime I put that weight on, I tend to get looks, you know, people are paying attention. If you're pulling over 400 pounds and working out, you're working out, right? You're doing like a guy who's coming in.

Well, now for me, it's like, okay, like, are they going to full depth? You know, then that's another thing. You see somebody like putting that kind of weight on and they're going through a full range of motion rep. I'm fucking impressed. My goal, I wanna be able to pull six plates again this year. That's my goal, to be able to pull six off the floor, which is what, 585? My goal is to to pull six plates again this year. That's my goal to be able to pull six off the floor

Which is what 585? My goal is to not give myself strength goals this year Just go straight without them. Yeah, well what I did for a good part of mine Pumple me first came on board here was I was heavily focused on strength You guys swept in and I did I did and I because I'm so competitive and more even more so with myself You know, I always Razz and say that I was trying to chase sounds about that, but I'm very competitive with myself and watching myself increase, strengthen, increase, train.

It was a new thing for you, you hadn't done it a long time. Yeah, well, I never, I had never trained singles, doubles, and triples. That was never in my training routine. Like, six reps was like the floor for me. That's as low as I ever went. And even then it was like, I did it like in small cycles

to break the hypertrophy type training up all the time. So to actually train like purely strength training and power for you know months and months and months it caused a lot of problems for me man and I am actually part of like the whole Achilles thing and the testosterone thing and kind of losing all the muscle I lost and take care of your body. I do I want to feel good man and I and some of the muscle I lost and taking care of your body. I do, I want to feel good, man. And some of the best I ever felt was when I was kind of competing in training very bodybuilder-esque. And so, now that's not to say, I'm not still going to...

Well, now you're going to combine it with mobility. That's the difference. Well, and that's what I've done so far. I mean, one of the things that's kind of crazy right now is, my squat strength is nowhere near what it was when I was at my peak. But I mean, I'm back to working out with three plates with depth, like depth, pausing, control all the way at the bottom. So it's the best I've ever felt.

And the funny part is I was a guy who avoided squats for a very long time because of my low back. And my low back has never felt so good, but it's taken, you know, it's all the mobility stuff. It's taken a long time because of my low back and my low back has never felt so good but it's taken you know it's all the mobility stuff it's taking a long yeah I'm I'm I'm I will not do an alternate grip ever again I'm dead I got too comfortable with the same side alternate grip and now it's just a hook grip it makes no sense now that you I mean the I've still been practicing it to just terrible I'm not to do it with you and see I've pulled how much of I pulled double around five, 45, I think I pulled.

Yeah, bro, if you're pulling over five plates, man, with hook grip. It takes time to get used to, dude, and I'm still not, I still don't, I'm not as secure as I would be with an alternate grip. Although I don't know, I haven't gone past five, like the mid fives yet, or the low mid five. You know what I did,

and I hadn't done this in a long time. Yeah, I just did this like last week. I broke the weight belt and the squat shoes out. And I squat it. Oh my God. Dude, after all the work I've done on mobility and being at the floor strength wise and working my way back with like butter.

Oh, easy work, dude. I was like, oh, I could see where I could get addicted to wanting to use it all the time to that because I struggled so much to get back to squatting three plates with that kind of depth and then I threw the belt on it. I mean, I went from like a single of 315 was kind of rough for me like a couple of weeks before that

to five reps of 315, like just coming up. I was like, oh shit. It's a point I never got into, you know, the weight belt. But what I did get into was the wrist wraps for doing power cleans. Oh my God, that was so much easier. Of course. I remember just like,

putting up numbers that were crazy. That speed and power, man. You eliminate one big humongous factor. People talk about needing a strong grip for deadlift, but you fucking rip away fast. Yeah. And it's heavy. It's everything.

Yeah, that'll fuck your shit up real quick. That's very, very difficult. So I did the, I'm in the phase two, I just started phase two of split, and I did the first leg workout in phase two, and let me tell you something, fuck me. Those guys who made that last. Well, it was, it starts off with a, you do a three sets of supersets

of leg extensions to leg curls. Now I don't have a leg extension leg curl, but it's a favorite of mine. So I do, I did Cissy squats and leg curls on the physio ball, supersets, supersets, supersets, did three of those. Then I went to squats and I was doing sets of 12, just 225, nothing crazy.

But it's fucking exhausting. First off, I hate anything over five reps. So it's just exhausting. Plus after doing those super sets where my legs are already pumped, that was pretty gnarly. That was a nice little pump. And then I was doing the hip thrust, which I never do. So now I'm doing hip thrust, and my butt is growing.

I think. You know, that's the one. Mover fuse, dude. Yeah, I threw them in there a while back and sort of get any into it. doing hip thrust and my butt is growing. You know, that's the one move. It's still refuse to do that. Yeah, I threw him in there a while back and sort of get any internal pain. The pain the ass to get in too. And I still feel like a chick. Do you really?

I just feel like a chick doing it. Feel like a woman. I just, it's just not. Put your heels on. And I know I have great, great value. I mean, for a girl who's trying to build her butt and there's not to say, I mean, a guy who wants to build build his butt. Why not what I won't do is post my hip thrust PR I think that's such a stupid exercise to post PR's of like a lot of stop it. Yeah, nobody cares

Oh, man, it's a squat bench. It's a thing right now. It's a thing right now in the in the you know I mean, yeah, it's impressive. Okay, I can see you doing a lot of weight, but it's a hip thrust Show us a squatter It's like doing a PR like a leg press. It's like doing a crumb fucking thing. Look at my PR for curls I can't care Let me care so you can hit press. No good for you Some tensives or something you're gonna break your girlfriend. Yeah, look at my late look at my leg extensions guys I can do the whole thing. I would agree with you, I'm gonna tell how I feel about it.

I feel like nothing wrong with doing them. I think everybody- Just don't show off, like it's not like show off material. Yeah, it's just not, it doesn't feel like something you can brag about. Like imagine if I came to work, I'm like, you guys are gonna die on this contest on my beach, you guys.

Well, what's going on, Sal? I did fucking three plates. Three plates. Yeah, three plates, what? Overhead press, like that's crazy, like three, no, no, no, three plates on the hit thrust. You guys would beat me up and kick me out of my mind. I'm trusted. You guys are I'm trusting. I'm trusted. It's a good analogy though, because you're right. If it was like a bicep curl, it'd be pretty funny to talk about bicep girl PR's exactly like what are we doing here? I have a really fucking strong

reverse curl. That's the truth. I can reverse curl more than almost anybody. I ain't close to pictures of that shit. No, man, he's never cared. Nobody cared. He was ever cared. He had 125 pound reverse girl. Yeah. What the hell out of my face, that shit. So stupid.

So, you know, it was great. We were talking about this on the plane on the way over here from LA. You want to talk about a disruptive technology that is just shaking shit up so crazy and I love watching it, is these fucking scooter companies. Oh yeah, yeah. Like Bird and what's the other one? Lime or what's up? Yeah, Lime and Bird.

Those are the two big heavy hitters. So Uber just infused $300 million. $300 million. In a line, they're now valued over 400 million both those companies. Well, I'm telling you guys right now, we are witnessing the beginning of a transportation revolution. This is the beginning of it.

The second self-driving cars kind of becomes more of a thing with Uber and you have these little scooters. It's going to eliminate all need for public transportation, for car, everything. I'm telling you, I stand by my theory that this next car that I buy will be the last car that I buy, man. It's good. We got Elon Musk, Dig and Tunnels underneath us.

We got scooters popping up all over the place, Uber and Lyft is so cheap. I really believe that. We're in for my hoverboard. Not far from now, we're gonna have, and you already have like these zip cars and share, share ride things where you can have if you want that. I think, I think most families in the future

are gonna own one vehicle. And then you'll think about this way. How much money, how much money, time, and of the economy is tied up, and what I mean by tied up is it's not efficient versus what it's gonna be. Tied up in just, in cars. How much money do you spend on people spend on car payments, gas, insurance,

how much of the space of their home is dedicated to parking? How much shit is dedicated to parking out anywhere? Like, you know how much space is dedicated just to parking your car and shit? Like, when you eliminate all of that, that is gonna free up so much resources. People don't realize that is gonna be an explosion in economics because we've just because it's gonna fundamentally change

everything. I'm a little bummed too though. I like cars, I like cool cars, I'm a cool car guy. And I can already even see how it's not that cool anymore. Like I used to get all the time, every vehicle I've ever owned. I had all the magazines, they just like look through and they're like, oh my God, check out this car.

Every vehicle I own, we'll take that back. The Toyota Corolla didn't trick out. Every other vehicle besides the Corolla that I bought, I've always tricked out. And I put a cane in filter on my jedda. Oh damn. Yeah. But I remember just not that long ago,

you know, I go to a gas station or go-and-eware, oh man, that's a cool ride. It's a cool ride. Nobody gives a fuck anymore, bro. Nobody gives a fuck. In fact, I think it's, at some point you might be like an asshole. Like, oh, what are you doing with that guy? I was like a Hummer.

Yeah, what are you doing? I remember how that completely declined in like a social weight, you know, and raised his psych off this asshole. Yeah, or the escalator, whatever. Yeah, that'd be good to say. That guy. No, it's not anymore. No.

It's a bummer though, because I like that stuff. I do like it. You know why? Because it goes up there with the case, so I look at it, and I've said this before, I think a long time ago on the podcast. It's like expressing yourself. Well, it is, right? It's like kind of like dressing a certain way, but it's also something that I spend a good

portion of my life in. You know, going back to the Jordan Peterson thing, right? When you look at the things that you do a lot, I spend a lot of time in my car, so I want to really fucking like it. I want to like the way I feel in it. I like the way I want to feel how comfortable it is. I like how it rides, the way it flows. I was talking to somebody about this, and they were talking about bathrooms,

and how they, like, some people trick out their bathrooms. They put thousands of dollars into their bathrooms. Well, you're in that simple fact, yeah. Especially Justin, he's in there. I know I should have the most high performance one out there. Like 15% of his life. I do, I mean, I've been talking about how I've been house shopping for quite some time now.

And even like the things that I look at now are different than what I used to look at because I think of the spaces in my house that I use way more than other spaces. Right, like the kitchen, for example, like 10 years ago. Kitchen's most important. Right, I wouldn kitchen, for example, like 10 years ago, I wouldn't even think about having like a big, big open kitchen

with all kinds of countertop and space, like kitchen bed toilet. Right, those three areas, and then that probably, your fourth one, and it's a distant fourth is like a little living room, TV room, whatever. That's about it though. And really all the other rooms are just, they get underutilized.

So trying to find out. I don't know if it utilizes at all. Right. That's why like in my place, there's space and really all the other rooms are just they get under utilized. So trying to find it. I don't know how to utilize this at all. Right. That's why in my place, there's space for your kitchen table and then a dining room table. And Jessica's like, why? We're just gonna eat in one place

and I never thought of it that way. I'm like, I guess you're right. So we turned it into a little study with what we can read and stuff. Because we actually use it. Yeah. I do kind of like, I don't use this room very often, but I had turned it into an office, but I just like to get in there and I just like,

have that, it's my own space. You know, it's almost like, I can like, clear my thoughts and kind of like, even if I'm not doing anything, I just like to sit in there by myself. Oh, my final house will have a, man cave that I can have to contribute now. In fact, I want to have it built.

At her not there and have it hidden. So she doesn't know. It'll be like, you get to open the bookcase just to get access to it. What's going to be in your man cave? Wow. Is it unlimited? How big it is and how rich I am. Yeah, that's have fun with this.

What's in your man cave? Oh my God. I want a pool table. Okay. I want also, I love shuffle board. Okay. So that means it's going to be really long, because that things are a really long table. Okay. So I want to pull table a shuffle board two or three of my favorite video games a dart board

card table Massive TV overly massive super comfy lazy boy chair. I mean like a theater Not not not like that. It's just me. I know. I'm just asking. Yeah, you guys are invited Oh, you guys can I'll you know, I want to have a good seat. Like, make sure you get one for me. Multiple lazy boys there. But I, mine is four max. Right, yeah.

My no is the most important one that I'll spend the most time. I mean, that's about, you know, I want a bar. It's gotta be a till pass bar in there. And I think I covered most of the things. That's, that's, my man, cable be the gym that I built in my dream home. It'll be the sickest gym. I'll have mats for Jiu-Jitsu.

I want a steam sauna cold dip. Oh, do I not get that? Because that's all priority for me too. That's not part of my man cave. That's part of the house. Yeah, because my girl be allowed in the gym. She's not allowed in this place. Oh, this is no girls allowed in.

That's a man cave. Just man. A gym is a gym. My girl is allowed to work out in the gym and she should be is no girls allowed. That's a man came just man. Jim is a gym My girl is allowed to work out in the gym and she should be able to use that little banner. She has no business in the man cave There's no reason that she needs to go in there whatsoever Which means I don't want anything that she would potentially want like she doesn't give a fuck about shuffleboard. She'll care about darts She don't care about a pool table about Arnold movies. Yeah, she does care about those things You know Arnold's glad that damn yeah, swim suit posters. She don't care about pool table about Arnold movies. Yeah, she does care about those things, you know Arnold's glad that damn Swim suit posters. You don't care about it. Oh, you're gonna do shit out

But they have the old 1970s throwback Yeah, washing a fucking Ferrari, you know what I'm saying? It's some fucking what's her name Kathy Ireland poster Everywhere back name Kathy Ireland Post. Yeah. Yeah. I was everywhere back in the day. No, she was, dude. Oh man. Little Cindy Crawford. Throwback there, dude. Yeah, you can't have a gym in your man.

No, but I'm definitely having a sick, like, wood bar, like a pub looking like ambiance in the like, stools and everything. And definitely, like, some kind of a theater that's like small, but like, like, a huge, like, screening. We could watch, like, epic fucking sci-fi movies. Yeah. And then like lots of star wars, like barbeque, like some kind of like like smoke, smoker, you know, like down there, like maybe like on the outside, I can have access to that. Yeah. And then but yeah, like games like I would totally be into like video games,

like some kind of old arcade games, a gauntlet, and fuck. I only need one game, Street Fighter. Street Fighter. Street Fighter's the one, man. We still have yet to play Street Fighter, because I know I could beat you. No, you did, you beat us when we were playing somewhere. Oh, yeah.

That was in Austin. I did, yeah, yeah. You did win. You got your ass kicked in darts, but you did win in darts? Yeah. Did I lose in darts? But see, it was like, it was like the Marvel versus Street Fighter, so it was real.

Oh, what did it, it was real. It was kind of tainted. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. No, whatever. Oh, you know what, I'll give you that, because you don't have like a Roman cave.

You guys are hidden it. It would kind of be similar to what you guys are saying. You just kind of, I want a smoke room. I would definitely, yeah. Oh, yeah. Smoker jackets. Yeah. I want those.

You want, you want the you know, the little jackets. And only you have everybody, all my friends. Yeah, but it's like a special club. Yeah, you have your initials, you know, embroidered on it. Yeah. But you have to get. You have to get, you have to get, but you have to get, you have to get, you have to get,

you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get,

you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get, you have to get See, that's what I'm talking about. Mine would have like older turpings. It would be your heart out, snoop out. Calculated. Oh, beautiful. But you know what else I forgot? I learned the other day. Oh, in a jam room, I forgot about that. What's a jam room?

Let's do drums and guitars. Oh, sounds like. Oh, yeah. Like super. Like, where I can get fucking loud as hell. You think someone likes strawberry jam? Yeah, I'm just gonna be jamming. No, you know what I

for. Jammer. You know what I forgot to give you Adam. Adam told me this the other day. Do you know how they collect the scooters with a truck? No, you don't know this either blew my mind. Tell them bird hunters. What? They call them bird hunters. Like people that are just. It's like their contractors. Yeah, they're not hired. They they it's just like, you know how, anyone who's anybody can view an Uber, right? Anybody can be a Lyft driver,

Uber driver, they say anybody can be a bird catcher. Anybody can go collect these birds. And you get pay per fucking scooter that you collect. Yeah. So they don't even have to do shit. So what else does it for? You know what, Doug, you should Google this because we are talking, how much does that

is going to get out of control? How much does a bird collector scooter, so put in parentheses scooter, so how much does a bird collector scooter, so put in the parentheses scooter, so how much does a bird, bird, parentheses scooter collector? Factor get paid. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I it's the same way you get charged, you can get paid, right? Hmm. I've never done Uber lift. I would imagine that it works the same way.

I would imagine the same way you get paid for doing right because you don't, I don't think it automatically, I think it's built up an account like PayPal or something and then you can transform it. Well, that's smart in terms of, you know, providing. It's really, yeah. Somebody else to make money off that process. You know what this, too?

This new market is doing? It's creating jobs. It's fucking the government. It's, oh, it's beautiful. It's creating all these guys, all trying to put regulation on everything that we do. They can't regulate. It comes out too fast.

Everybody likes it. Good luck now. You can't do it now. Now, they're gonna try to regulate it now. Sure. But good luck doing that. The complaints are, oh, it's gonna be littered. Oh, why are you now like? This guy, so this guy wrote a story on it.

He says, based on my own experience and from talking with other chargers, you can easily make $20 to $30 per hour working for bird. Damn, dude, that's good. That's good. Imagine if you're a college kid. Take that lazy assholes, it can play. Well, when I'm saying about this,

you have some autonomy, so you have your own freedom to collect these things. That's the same article I picked up. Like, this is, this is awesome is awesome. This is so fucking awesome. There's so many opportunities. It's just like, it's frustrating, you know? That's why it's like, dude, it's great that it's there. It's like, come on, now people, do it.

20 to $30 an hour, go back to our time when we were 16, 17 years old. What do you think they compute to? $10? Maybe. About that? Maybe $10. Oh yeah, with inflation. Right, right. 10 to they compute to? $10? Maybe. About that. Maybe 10, right? Yeah, with inflation. Right. Right. 10 to 15.

10 to 15 dollars an hour. I can make it in high school. Yeah. Bro, I was making four fucking dogs. I was making four, 15. I was making four, 15. I worked my way up. So the man ever.

Well, look at it this way. First of all, the barrier to do this, the barrier to enter this market to collect birds, I would assume is low. In the sense, you don't need to have tons of experience. Of course, you can't be like a maniac or a felon, but I'm pretty sure most people can sign up for this. Then it's up to you.

Where are you gonna make 20, 30 bucks an hour? No fucking experience. Well, that's great. Having they shown with the IGN and you read in the book about how they're more incentivized by real jobs like that. They're going for those types of things that they know they can make money right now doing. Yeah, no, the I generation's more money motivated

than the millennials were. Millennials were more purpose driven and I changed some more old and shit. Well, the way I look at it is, if I was a kid and I was on to be more minded, like I am, right? I'm 1920, I wanna start a business. I was all over this.

I would be doing this in New Course because it's flexible, you do it whenever you want. You have to need it. So in books. And then on your own, you can go and build your business. Like this is a beautiful market. And I think this is brilliant from companies like Burd, where they just, they don't even have to collect

the wrong freaking scooters. They just pay people to do it. Well, there's a lot of people, and my uncle included, we talked to him all the time, right? Casey always thinks that we're about to see a 10-year run right now, at least of a good time for the economy. Hopefully, because the couple of things that can screw us is the crash of the dollar, or the crash of the dollar, or our debt, our debts could start to fuck us, because now our

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Oh, that's a good question. This is one of the things that separates a great trainer from just a good trainer. I agree with you on that. This is one of the main things I would say, right? Cause a good trainer can give the client what they want all day long and a client comes in and wants hard workouts,

wants exciting workouts, wants a variety. So they're providing good service in terms of how the client perceives. Right. A great trainer is an excellent communicator and is able to get their client to understand that what they really want are the things that they really need and they can start to follow them long-

It's like being a teacher and getting your students to be able to get the work done and get homework done versus getting them passionate about the subject. That's how I feel. Right, like you could be a good teacher and get your classroom and all your students to do the homework, pass the class,

and do what it takes to get by because you're a whatever, right? But if you're really, really good, you can create this, you can create these guys and girls in your classroom to be passionate about the subject that you're teaching. I feel the same way about personal training, and I think it's probably a similar type of field

that you have to kind of go through with these people. And I always remember like, I remember when I had started off and this is always challenging with someone who's like really stubborn, like this happens as a trainer. You definitely get somebody who's like, tells you what they want.

Because they're paying you. You know, they're paying you a good amount of money and they're like, I know what I need, I know what I want. And you know right away, I'm like, oh shit, okay, there's gonna be a have to be some compromise me that I'm on my end and they're in. Cause some trainers and a lot of the, like the really smart ones, this is the challenge I'd have with leading and managing these guys and girls is that they know that's not

what's best for them and so then they would end up arguing with the client and then not selling the deal. Like not closing the door. Right. So that we can't, well, you can't close the deal because you're not agreeing with them and they're the ones paying you. And so there is this compromise of, yeah, yeah, absolutely, we can do that. And so I kind of would get used to saying,

yeah, yeah, yeah, we can do that. You know, I'm saying we can do that. I'll consider that. And then when you start, they're training with them, sometimes I would be training them kind of like they wanted when we first started, even though I knew that I was gonna take them somewhere else. But it's, you gotta kind of get the plant

these seeds along the way, right? We should give some examples, like, here's a good example, I get a client who is coming to see me, they hire me, because they wanna lose, you know, 40 pounds of body fat. But after some examination, I noticed that they have a slow metabolism that they don't have much strength or muscle mass and that they've been overworking and dieting for a long period of time.

So I have two options here. One option is do I elicit immediate weight loss, which would mean increase their activity and cut their calories even more? Or do I do the right thing which is build some muscle, speed up their metabolism and reverse diet them a little bit? Because I know in the long term, that's a way better approach than just cutting their calories and having a burn more calories.

So this is a communication thing. This is you, for two things. First off, as a trainer, you gotta be confident when you talk to your client. Remember they're coming you and hiring you for a reason? So when you're sitting there talking to your client, you need to tell them in a very confident way, like, look, we can do this two different ways.

I can do this the fast way, or I can do this the right way. Now, do you want to get in shape and be in shape, and that have to worry about this anymore for the rest of your life? Do you want this to be something that we do permanent? Or do you want to just lose this way and then probably gain it back later on? Do you want to damage your metabolism? Do you want to to be something that we do permanent? Or do you want to just lose this weight and then probably gain it back later on?

Do you want to damage your metabolism? Do you want to slow it down? And inevitably they'd say, very rarely would they say they want to damage metabolism. They'd say something like, okay, I want to do this right away. And then it's okay, let me explain to you what happens to the body. And I want you, you've already paid me this much money,

you've already paid me $1,000 or whatever. I want you to trust me and trust the process I've done this many, many times. We need to speed up your metabolism. Here's what the process is going to look like. Here's what you can expect and map it out for them because it's really difficult to deal with the situation as it happens. It's much easier to deal with it when you've predicted it. Like if I tell a client, for the next four weeks, we're going to see strength gains, you're going to see energy it when you've predicted it. Like if I tell a client, for the next four weeks, we're gonna see strength gains,

you're gonna see energy gains, you're gonna feel better, and I should be able to get your calories up by about 300 calories at the end of this four-week period, but you're not gonna lose any weight on the scale, but you may lose a little bit of body fat when I do a body fat caliper test. So that's what I want you to expect.

Now it's not a problem when we get there, but if I don't say that and I do this process, you know it's gonna happen at the end of four weeks, why haven't I lost any weight? Why am I not losing weight? Why am I not getting smaller? What's going to tell them what to expect and tell them why and tell them what is going on with their bodies? The entire time you're doing it with them, predict, give them those predictions. Here's what you're gonna feel. Your appetite's actually gonna increase. Why am I appetite gonna go up? Well, your metabolism is gonna get faster.

And so as your metabolism gets faster, your body's gonna get you to try to eat more food. You know, what else you can expect? You're gonna be sleeping better. You should be expecting to start sleeping better here within the next couple of weeks. It really makes it a lot easier when you make these predictions.

Plus, you look like a fucking profit when you do this I mean when you say this to your clients and it actually comes true They're gonna trust and believe what you said about later on when you tell them Don't worry three months from now or four you know between three and I would give people a range between three to five months Is when I think we'll really start to tackle the fat loss and that's when it's really gonna start happening Then they'll start to trust you because they're already seeing all the other things that you've predicted. They're already seeing all the the small changes that you said are going to happen. They've seen that they can

increase their calories or that they've gotten stronger. You have to do that and you have to be confident with that and gain their trust because otherwise you're fucked. Otherwise all the clients going to want is sore and want to get sore and I want to sweat a lot and I want to see the scale move every single week and wanna get sore, and I wanna sweat a lot, and I wanna see the scale move every single week, and if that doesn't happen, I'm gonna hire this trainer over here, is gonna do exactly what I tell him,

because they're not as good as you are. It's kinda like breaking up with a girlfriend. What? It's kinda like breaking up with a girlfriend. You know what I'm saying? You're wanting to get your point across or break up, and you're also at the same time too, because you know you're breaking up,

and you're probably breaking Her heart you don't want to offender so I always found like When I'm trying to tell a client like they're doing something wrong or that's the wrong idea or wrong thought process If you come straight at it and you're like you know, that's wrong or you're stupid They automatically put a wall up and then you might not sell personal training. So you got to kind of like Give them examples. Yeah, like I would people yeah,, like so I would talk, even though I'm talking. Talk story. Yeah, it's stories about it.

Totally, right? Like so I'm really talking to you, but I'm not, right? I'm saying I would say like, you know, so let's use your example or like what we get a lot, right? Which is the client comes in and they're like they want to get hammered and you and they say that at the very beginning. So I just kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, deaf ear it and then go on talking about our training or program or thing we're going to do. And then while we're in the training and we're going,

you know, we're getting after some of that, I'm like, man, yeah, so are my clients, you know, they come in, they, they want this, and I'm talking about them, but I'm talking about them as if they're like everybody else, you know, like, I owe are all these clients that I always get, like the number one mistakes that they make, like, so I'm really attacking all the things that I know they want and their thought process and how wrong it is by talking about, by over generalizing it as everybody does it. Because then it makes them feel like, okay, I'm not an idiot.

Not a single one. I'm not singing them out. I'm not pointing out all their flaws. They're an idiot. They're wrong. And then it turns into me and you and a wrong or right thing. It's a like, this is a, you know, it's a it's a me not you. You know what I'm saying?

It's really me. Yeah, right. This is a lot of people struggle with this and you know, I think that's because of this. And so I would talk to them like that and I felt like if I could just keep planning those seeds indirectly, they would they would start to put piece it together. You're like, but what I found really worked well with Suzy. Right, was Rast. Right, it was crazy.

No, I think that, oh really? Right, so I think that is worked really well for me is otherwise what would happen, and I think what happens to a lot of it. And this, to me, this is most common with my smart trainers. So, trainers, this is where I sometimes it's easier to be a guy or a girl getting into training And you don't know a lot because at least then you go like, you know what?

I'm not sure about that. Let me ask my boss like if that's a good idea Then you if you have the if you're okay with being the trainer who can do things like that I think that's a great strategy and they're more open to that It's the really smart guys and girls that know almost too much are getting their own way right here is because they know like they understand the science so well this client wants what's wrong, they know it's wrong and so they want to tell them because that's their own insecurities. Sort of put them in their place.

Right, they want to be smart. Turns people off. Totally turns people off. They care more about being the right trainer and being smart. So they end up debating or arguing or telling the client that what they want is not what they really want, and that's not a smart approach by it. So a better approach is to kind of lead them to the right answer by maybe sharing stories or examples of other clients that also think this way too, which is totally common.

I think doctors do a really good job of this, right? If you ever walked into a doctor's office and you have something or something's happened to you that you're scared about like you know something you did something that you've never done before. You're really nervous and scared like it might it might gonna be forever not be able to walk again like no, no, listen, it's okay. You know this happens to a lot of people just like you that play this sport or this happens like this is the process that we go about. So making them feel like it's very normal the thought process that they're having and that it's, even though it's normal, doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right path. And you don't even have to tell them that wrong,

necessarily. First of all, if you set the stage early, you're not gonna really run into this as much. I see this, this was a problem when I didn't set the stage right. Like when we got into training already and the client already has these, you know, assumptions because I wasn't clear. But if I was really clear early on, like, when a client came and hired me right away and said, here's my goal, this is what I want to do. I want a super intense, hard workout or I want to lose weight or whatever, I'd say no problem. We can definitely do that.

Let me tell you about the most effective way to do that. And then I would explain it to them. And here's what's going to happen here. Here's when it's going to happen there. I've trained lots of people in the same situation. This is how long it takes them to get their progress, but now they've got these great results. This is why a Park Q, a good Park Q is a huge ass.

I explain what a Park Q is because a lot of people don't know. So a basic Park Q, and you can get these if you're a private trainer. Sure, they're online. They are. I printed them when I was private training stuff. So a good part, and you can create your own, and I recommend that as you continue to do this, like you can start building your,

you know, great like sourcing to piggyback off of that. Man, when you get really good at this, you can already predict what that person is gonna want and what's wrong about it. And you can present the right answer to them before they can even come up with that. So in other words, like a good park, you might have a question in there that says, you know, how serious are you about your goals? One to 10. 10, I'm really serious. Well, why are you that serious? Okay, well, I'm tired of feeling this way and I'll do whatever it takes. You know, how often can you work out seven days a week?

You know, and they start answering all these questions and I'm going like, okay, this person is like super motivated right now. They're willing to work seven days a week. So I can already tell you right now that a mistake that this person might make is coming in balls to the wall right away. So while I'm talking to them about training and again, using the overgeneralization thing that I would do, it'd be like,

you know, a lot of clients, they come to me and they're super motivated, they've been out of shape for a long time and they decide they're gonna come in here and they're gonna work out really hard. And it's actually one of the biggest mistakes they could make, because what they don't realize,

and then I go into my whole spiel of doing as little as possible to list a change. But what's great is I'd never ask them, how do you wanna be trained or do you wanna be pushed harder? I realized that, okay, by the way, this person's answering the questions and by what they're telling me about their goals and their commitment level and how serious they are

and what they're willing to do. I know that this person might lead to this. And then I on the flip, I also know people that are like, one of the questions might be, how many days per week can you commit? And they circle like one or two. And then they're like, you know,

what's kept you from getting in shape in the past? Oh, really busy for kids, I work a lot, like I don't know if I can commit to that much time. So this person I know is, it's gonna, if they're gonna object to me, it's gonna be about their busy lifestyle and stuff. So then I'm gonna, I, I, I, I, I, I used to say is like this,

like I get this a lot with a lot of my moms, you know, they, they spend their whole life and they're, you have most of, most of their life they've spent, you know, making sure that their kids okay and their husband's okay and taking care of the house and everybody when, as a mother, you tend to put everybody else before yourself. And then what ends up happening is, you know, Suzy doesn't take care of herself with her physical needs and what she needs emotionally. And one of the things that I always tell my clients is like, if you're going to make this change for yourself, you need to be a higher priority. And what you're going to find out is when you make yourself the number one priority, you're going to be a better version of all the, you're going to be a better mother, you're

going to be a better partner, you're going to be a better worker, you're going to be a better all those things once you learn to put yourself as a number one priority. And it's really crazy, but this happens and it's really common. And it happens a lot to my... So, you know, you start to pick up on things and common objections and common habits of types of people. And if you have a really good park you,

you can start to curate that. And so then when you go to explain to them what you're going to be doing, you can overcome a lot of these, and so then when you go to explain to them what you're going to be doing, you can overcome a lot of these obstacles before they even hit you. Yeah, if you're a trainer and you don't spend a lot of time on mastering the art of communication, you're making a massive mistake. I mean, and this was one of the big differences between the successful trainers and unsuccessful ones is, you know, a lot of trainers know a lot of things about exercise.

They know proper mechanics, they know correctional exercise, they know good movements and decent programming, at least on an individual basis. But the ones that didn't understand had to communicate well, it's tough to be successful because to be really successful, you have to help people change fundamental behaviors. And in order to do that, you have to be able

to really communicate them really, really well. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what knowledge you have to help people change fundamental behaviors. And in order to do that, you have to be able to really communicate them really, really well. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what knowledge you have and how much information you have. If you can't communicate well, that's, you're gonna be, you're gonna have a tough time. So I would say, you know, focus, really make it a goal of yours to practice

these conversational skills and how you approach these things. It'll make you a much more successful trainer next question is from dude what yes Hmm can you guys explain how you are able to make so much money as personal trainers? I love being a personal trainer, but it seems almost impossible to make that amount of money. What am I missing? Oh boy, you know There's there's a there's gonna be a lot of things that we're gonna talk about answering this question But I do want to say that as a personal trainer you kind of have to

main routes that you can take one route is the high volume low dollar per unit route which is classes or lots of clients lots of of people, maybe online coaching, where you've got lots of people. The other route is the low volume high dollar per unit route, which would be, I'm only training one on one, I only have five clients a day, but they're all paying me $150 or $200 an hour. Both of those are independent trainer type pursuits versus like a corporate trainer that's under right

You know like a they get paid only a certain amount per hour and they get a paycheck and and so that was something to that even in that Environment there's a way to maximize your paycheck and this is something we went through quite a bit when I was working with Adam Just based off of like you know, okay. How many how many appointments do I have to take? How many people do I have to talk to? How many, like, it's all a numbers game. And it's about like really understanding that and being able to see the difference of that based off of like, how you set yourself up. Right. And you got to figure out what your strengths are.

Like, if you're a really organized individual and you understand how to scale a high volume business, then the high volume low dollar route can be a very lucrative way to do it. I know people who do this where they manage lots of clients online and they make a lot of money doing it. Now, me personally, I don't like working with a ton of people. I would prefer to work with less and charge more per client. So as a trainer, this is what I did. I would have clients, towards the end of my career,

and this is before Mind Pump, right? So this is before I had the social authority, if you will, that Mind Pump now provides me. So this is when I was just a local trainer. Towards the end of my career, I could charge it at my top end about $150 a session, which is a pretty good amount for a personal trainer even in the Bay Area.

And I would train seven people a day with be where I want to keep myself. And I'd rather do that because I like focusing on one person. I like training that one person. I like being able to work with everything with that individual. And I'm also not super organized. So scaling 60, 70, 100 clients online, to me would have been just a nightmare because I don't, like I said,

I would have had to hire somebody to help me with that segment of the business. So I think those are kind of the two directions you wanna look at and figure those out for yourself. Now, if you go the low volume high dollar amount, you gotta be a really fucking good trainer. You gotta be an excellent trainer with very good communication skills,

and most of the clients you're gonna get, who are gonna pay you that much are referral. Plus, you're gonna be worried a lot more about competition at that, with that mentality, versus like, for me, it was always about finding my own opportunities, my own blue water, if you will, as far as like what is not being service, like what that clientele looks like.

How can I be different than everybody else? So that way, basically, I can create my own sort of brand, my own following. And I was really drawn more to a couple different business models I'd sought out there from like one or two trainers that were catering to a more exclusive, like their whole thing was about exclusivity and finding like pro athletes or finding like executives or people that were more affluent. And I was always wondering like how do you actually get those types of clients? Because it's something that I know based off of environment a lot of times, proximity if you're around people enough, you'll end up getting more of that type of a client. But to really pursue that, a lot of strategy took a lot of risk and money to go in that

direction while simultaneously taking on whatever clients I could, but I really built up my business to a point where I invested. I invested in the marketing strategy. I invested in the idea of catering and building more value out of my own business to appeal to somebody that was looking for more service out of the experience. And so I just built my business around the experience of training with me. And that paid off after a few months of just really focusing my attention in that direction. But yeah, you really have to understand who it is that you're trying to service, like what they actually want,

what that client actually wants, how to find them, how to market to them, and just really dig into that. I would say finding the first few high paying clients is the hardest. Once you find the first few and you're really good at what you do, they tend to refer you. Exactly.

People in there, and that's a good idea. You gotta be confident that you you're able to provide that type of service and find your niche like you know my niche was I liked working with advanced age so I did really well there and I liked because I'm very technical with how I talk about things and you know the way I present training I did very well with the medical community so I started training one doctor and then the next thing you know, I started training another doctor, and before you knew it, you know, because they all know each other,

I had all these clients that were surgeons and doctors and anesthesiologist, and then they would also refer me to their patients, and so then it became, you know, my business was kind of, you know, self-sustaining from that standpoint. But the other thing too, is when you're doing the low volume approach,

you better provide a shit ton of service. Right. Like you got to have good ass service. That means like it's never this is a silly thing that I even have to bring this up. But that means you don't show up late for your sessions. You look very professional. I always wore a uniform. I would bring people water with the workouts. I'd bring a towel. I was very flexible with our training. You know, when people would come in, if they were tired, we did different things, or I'd meet them other places, because they're paying me a high amount, you know, per session. I think that first of all, I'd like to know what he, what he thinks is an impossible amount of money to make, because I think maybe being realistic.

There's a lot of mastermind groups out there that are being posted all over Instagram that are a bunch of bullshit. There's not a lot of trainers making seven figures. I don't think there's a lot of trainers making six figures. I think the average trainer makes somewhere between 50 and 150. Now there's outliers on both sides, right? There's people that broke his fuck making 10 grand a year trying to be a personal trainer. And there are some people that are making seven figures, but most of the people that are making really, really good millions of dollars, right, have been doing this for a really long time and are pretty, pretty smart business men and women. They have multiple businesses typically. Right. And multiple streams that are providing that type of an income. I think though personally right now it's a really cool time to try and build a

personal training business. And I think it's easier to scale than it's ever been with the accessibility of your clients virtually because that game didn't exist when we started. So all new ground. Right, if I was rebuilding now, and I've had the pleasure of being able to teach group classes, I've also done online coaching, then I've also done high in one-on-one training. And I would absolutely do all three of those. So if my pump blew up, I was a brand new trainer, just trying to figure my way out, and I had all the same resources that this person has, I would be building an online basis where

I do coaching, which doesn't require a lot of my time. I can coach people all over the world. And that's kind of a Some and I started the coaching online at 250 and then I worked my way up to $500 a month So I would be competitive in that and then refine that skill So you've got anyway, and that's you can realistically manage by yourself with no good systems with I mean just an average person I think can manage 15 to 20 clients or so doing that very realistically. I think more people can do it.

Once I got above 25, I fell on myself giving a disservice to people. That's just because I wasn't really organized about it and I didn't put a really good system in place and I was running multiple businesses. I think you can make okay money doing that. I love 100% agree with Sal and Justin. I think the private one on one strategy is definitely higher in clients paying high dollar and training less people than high volume there. Otherwise, that's a major hustle and grind. And I've done both. Like I've lived on the other side of like the hustle. And that's how I started as a personal trainer where

I had to work 10, 12 hours every single day to make six figures as a personal trainer. And then I worked my way up to where I could train for high dollar and lower volume. And then I would do classes. And not so much boot camp, I would have a modified version of that, which is kind of what I finished up doing. I would use things like Eldella and Maps Prime, maps prime and prime pro as a tool to teach class settings where I'd be charging people anywhere from 10 to $25

a visit or have like a monthly fee that they pay and they can go to X amount of classes and then I would teach classes. So I would teach classes, I would run private training and I do coaching online and I know I could probably make somewhere between 150 and $200,000 a year pretty comfortably and Realistically

Running those three things as a business. So I think that there there is lots of Money to be made if you're okay with that kind of money now if you have ambitions to be a millionaire And you're wanting to do it through personal training, it's taking us 20 years. Just because Mind Pump has only been around for three, Mind Pump would never exist if it wasn't for the 15 years prior to that, that the three of us had all put in, and the fact that it's taken all three of us combined to build a business that's worth over seven figures. So I think it is very important that you're realistic about your goal.

And you gotta be careful of what's being marketed to you right now, because I see it all over Instagram right now with all the mastermind groups. And find out how to be a seven figure trainer so that get the fuck out of here. They're teaching you how to create your own mastermind. Yeah, they're doing it. It's a day, that's what it is.

It's a lot of it's turned into like an MLM. MLM hustle. And you know who makes the most money on MLM's? The people at the fucking top. The ones who started it. Right. So that to me is, those are kind of unrealistic for a brand new trainer, but you can definitely make

some of these figures. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it's realistic for somebody who works hard and is diligent and conscientious and you know, relatively intelligent. You should be able to make decent six figure income as a personal trainer. I want to point out too, which you guys went a different direction in this question

because I wanted everyone to kind of share their personal journey because we're all really different on why I think we're successful or how we became successful and into six figure plus personal trainers. And me, a lot of that had nothing to do with my training ability. Like it could have been any job the way I look at it.

It was my work ethic. I was willing to do things that most people weren't willing to do. And I know it sounds cliche to say that, but what I see a lot today are trainers and people like, oh, well, I want to work Monday through Friday and I'd like to do a, you know. It's the schedule that I want. Yeah, this is the schedule that I want.

And we're in a service business. If you're in a service business, you're at the mercy of your clientele. And you know, your big millionaire client that you're waiting to get your big break, may be a 5 a.m.er. And you hate getting up at 5 a.m. So you miss out on that because you've said

you only want to work six to four, or whatever your schedule is, or the guy who's, or the guy who potentially could be your other million dollar client is wants to train at nine p.m. at night because they're, they work crazy hours. Dude, one of the ones, I was just so true, man. I was a maniac like that, till I had.

I was saying thing, especially to cater to, if I want to build this value that I'm portraying online and I know my competition, it wasn't willing to do a lot of those type of hours the 5am's, the meat at their house and... 9pm, I'm doing multiple times a week where I'm taking over the recovery end of it and we're stretching, I'm going shopping with them

for their food and we're just getting super involved. And nobody was doing that. And so that's what it took to then spread the word. And this became a thing that I differentiated myself. One of the easiest predictors, I used to see this, one of the easiest predictors of whether or not a trainer would be successful or not. I'd have a trainer come up to me and I'd say,

oh, how did your assessment with so and so go? And I knew that the person was wealthy and wanted to hire a trainer come up to me and I'd say, oh, how did your assessment with so-and-so go? And I knew that the person was wealthy and wanted to hire a trainer, like, oh, they want to work out at 6 a.m., and I don't want to work that early in the morning, or they want to come at 8 p.m., and it's too late for me. And I'd look at them and I knew in my head, I'd be like, well, you're not going to succeed.

Yeah, you're not going to make it. Like, you're starting off and you want to be successful, and you're already turning business down. And you have to do all that. Yeah, eventually you can determine things. Go be, go go nine to five somewhere else, because this isn't going to be down. And you have to do all that. Yeah, eventually you can, you know, determine things. Go be go go nine to five somewhere else, you know, because it's isn't gonna. And that takes time.

It took me, it took me a solid year of taking anything and everything that meant Saturday, that meant Sunday, that meant 4 a.m., that meant 10 p.m., that meant in the middle of the fucking day, that meant all those times. The hardest thing that I have, took everybody, the hardest, the thing that I always struggled with

as a trainer early on was the ability to keep myself in primo shape and be a very successful trainer. That's because I became, in order to be very financially successful, I sacrificed myself and my training time to make money and to build my business. And so that was the real juggle was learning, and I never let myself completely go as a trainer,

but I wasn't in my best shape. And I didn't learn that balance until later on in my career. But that was because of the work ethic thing. I think that a lot of trainers get into the profession because oh, I get the flexibility, I get to help people and say, well, that's fine. That's romantic. Yeah, and if you want that and you're not a,

you're not a money motivated person, then there's nothing wrong That's romantic. Yeah, and if you want that, and you're not a, you're not a money motivated person, then there's nothing wrong with being an awesome trainer, very flexible, love to train clients and make 40, 50 grand a year. Nothing wrong with that. But if you're trying to make millions of dollars, you gotta, I mean, I don't know one millionaire

that will sit in front of me and tell me that they didn't grind. I mean, and didn't work. You gotta go through the fire, man. I've never met one. You gotta go through the fire. It's on the other end of that. All right, let's go get trust fund, baby, or something.

Next question is from Aristotle Daphneus. I know you guys advocate longer, fasts once in a while, but I'm curious as to your opinion on daily or frequent intermittent fasting. I personally do a daily 16- hour fast and love it. I've gotten my best results in terms of leanness and overall body composition and it allows me to be a lot more flexible with my diet. I firmly believe that occasional long fasts are superior to the daily short fasts. I've been saying that since the beginning.

Well, I mean, it's I got sucked into this trap, though, to be fair within. Yeah, yeah. Because it is, like, it's a new thing. And you realize, like, how effective it is, and you don't have to worry as much about, you know, like, what you're eating is much because you're fasting, and it's keeping you

relatively lean, but, you know, and, inevitably, this is gonna come to a halt. Like, this is gonna come to a point where it's not benefiting you the same way it was. Well, look at you. If you like it and it works for you and you're happy with your body composition, then fucking keep doing it. But if you're looking for change, and you've been doing that for a long time, you're now optimized.

You're not adapting anymore. Just think of it just like the way we talk about training. This is why I, this is was when we first started talking about intermittent fasting. This is the knock that I had on it was I felt, you know what, most people were already not eating for 12 hours. The people that gravitate towards the warrior fast,

16 hour fast every single day, were already kind of doing it. And then now they're just kind of resisting for four more. I know, right, breakfast is a cool, now I don't have to. Right, and so I don't think that is enough change to elicit a lot of change in their body for body composition reasons. Now, if that helps you make the great right food choices,

you have found a good balance, nutritionally, you are getting all the nutrients that your body needs, it works for you, then fucking, don't mess with it, it's fine. Well, back in the day, when I was first became a personal trainer, it was far more common for a client to skip meals than anything. I would get a new client, they'd skip meals, and so my goal was to get them to don't skip meals, make sure you, now I was under the false prems that you had to eat every few hours, because that was the best thing to do.

But, I mean, honestly, most clients would come to us, right, and they would skip meals, and here they are, overweight, bad health, and a lot of stuff. Now, from a science perspective, when we look at the benefits of fasting, the real amazing benefits really start to happen at close to 24 hours, right around 24 hours.

And then 48 and 72 hours, you see some incredible benefits in terms of cellotophagy, you know, program cell death or, you know, stem cell stimulation and all that stuff. It's incredible. The other thing here, there's another thing that I want to talk about here and that's, you know, many times I get clients who are, you know, high stress, too much cortisol probably or cortisol resistance or HPA access to function, too much cortisol probably, or cortisol resistance, or HPA access dysfunction,

their metabolism's kinda slow, they're overworking themselves. I typically make these people eat regularly. I make sure they don't fast on a daily... If fast is not gonna benefit that type of a person. No, if anything, it might actually be a detriment. Now, what I will do is I'll recommend a infrequent fast. So I'll say to them, okay, once every two months, we're going to do a 24 to 48 hour fast. This is only for healthy people. I want to be clear, by the

way, you need to be a healthy individual if you're going to do this. And I need to say this for just for liability reasons, check with your doctor. But I'll recommend it every couple months, do a 24 to 48 hour fast or 72 hour fast if they're experienced. And that's where you get all the benefits. Now personally speaking, okay, I'm just talking about for me now. So this is my own anecdote. For a long time, I did a pretty close to 24 hour fast every single day. So every single day I would eat once or maybe twice a day. And I'd have one big, big meal at the end of the day. And this is what I did for a very long time.

Now it benefited me because it helped me with my gut health because I had less inflammation because I didn't eat all day long or whatever. But after a while, I mean, I just kind of got used to it and it wasn't that big of a deal. And it didn't give me the benefits that I see now with this, I do a 48 hour fast or 72 hour fast once a month.

I get way better benefits from doing it that way. In the context of evolution, if we look at how humans probably ate, you know, what did we do when we had food? We ate it, you know, people didn't say like, oh, it's not time to eat. I don't even really think of it as an evolutionary thing as much as just interrupting the process.

Like nothing is more of a bigger interrupt in a eruption to the process than somebody who eats every single day or every few hours than to go three days without food. Versus someone who was already, none of us are eating for eight hours at least because we're asleep, right? So most people aren't eating for at least,

and then most people don't get up and shovel food right away. So most people are not eating for 10 to 12 hours anyways, so four more hours of not eating It's not that big. It's probably not giving your body huge benefits And the reason why I'm bringing up the evolutionary, you know component is because the whole reason why the human bodies seem to thrive off of Fast Is because we evolved in that context where you, we either had food and when we had food, we ate it.

Nobody was storing food. We didn't have refrigerators. Nobody was saying, oh, I'm not gonna eat right now. It's not time or whatever. If you had food, you ate it and you probably ate it until it was gone. And then when it was gone, you were out trying to find more food and that could be 10 hours.

It could be 15 hours. It could be 24 hours. It could be 72 hours before you make your 15 hours, it could be 24 hours, it could be 72 hours before you make your next kill or you find your plant or whatever that you're gonna eat. So, and that, when we look at it from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes sense to have these kind of longer,

fasts every once in a while and maybe a short, fast here and there. Like, you know, although I do a 48 hour, 72 hour fast once a month, I will throw in a 18 to 20 hour for our fast in between every once a month. I just kind of listen to my body and see how it feels. But what's happening with fasting was, is was one of my biggest fears. And that's that fasting now, even in the question, right, in terms of my leanness and body composition. One of my biggest fears was that fasting would be turning the next, you know, diet trend. And first off, it's not a trend,

not eating has been how people have lost weight forever. Like this is how people have always lost weight. And if you don't eat for long enough, and that's the way that you like to lose weight, there's another term for that, we used to call it anorexia. So I don't think, I never think fasting is a great way to try to lose weight.

At all, I think fasting can be a great way to learn, to relearn your relationship to food. As so long as your relationship to food is not starving yourself. If you're someone that starve yourself, I'm not going to tell you to fast. Like I'm not going to get a recovering anorexic and I'm going to tell them, oh, we're going to start your diet off by doing a 70-RF. That's the wrong thing. But I will take somebody who's been bodybuilding or training a recovering anorexic and I'm gonna tell him, oh, we're gonna start your diet off by doing a 72 hour fat. Right. That's the wrong thing. But I will take somebody who's been bodybuilding or training for a long time

and eating five, six times a day, that's the person. Just to assimilate food better. Yeah. Go through that whole process. But yeah, to look at it more as a health promoting practice is such a better mentality. And I mean, it does.

It does so many good things if you use it the right way. But you could definitely abuse it. Absolutely. All right, our next question is from Cal Burton. I know your food choices are important aspect of changing your overall body mass, but do they also affect body composition? For example, if the amount of calories is the same,

we're eating a cleaner diet, lead to a better physique. So it's kind of a weird question, and I think what they're asking is, lean Nortonwood, is it calories in and macros that matter or does the types of food, in other words, if we have two diets, identical macros, identical calories, but one side is made up of more whole natural nutrient

dense food and the other one's made up of more processed type foods, which one is gonna be better. here's here's the question and I this I love this debate because yes We have studies showing that oh, they're probably the same the first of all those short those studies are short Second of all here's the here's the important thing Does the types of food independent of macros and calories so forget macros and calories? Do different types of foods affect So forget macros and calories. Do different types of foods affect different systems in the body like neurotransmitter production,

inflammation, hormones. Do they? The answer is yes. Nobody will debate that they don't. Now the next question is, do all of those things, can all of those things play a role in body composition, how much fat, you have, how much muscle you have,

and how well you progress. The answer again is yes. So I do not subscribe to the calories. A calories a calorie. A calories a calorie. And then it's just about macros and calories. I don't subscribe to that.

Now, here's the thing that someone like Lane Norton will not debate me on, and he'll agree with me. And I know that part he'll probably debate, but here's the thing that he'll probably agree with me on. It's that some foods, even though they have the same macros, are going to promote a different feeling. You may get more hungry, you may have better energy levels, you may have indigestion or whatever.

All of those things play roles in how well you can do on your nutrition plan. So although you may eat two different foods with the same exact macro profile, if the food on the right is the one that makes you hungry or makes you feel like shit, that going with that option is probably gonna be worse for you in the long term, because it may promote overeating, it may promote less activity, it's gonna make things more difficult for you.

And that's typically where I leave it with those two. Well, in the grand scheme of things, I think that we are splitting hairs in the difference. But I do think, like, as far as body composition, like if we're just straight up body composition, you have two people, and I use myself as an example here, because I did this for a show. And I think you mentioned this the other day, Salas.

When I did shows where I used protein bars and shakes throughout the whole process. And then I did shows where I all hold natural foods, kept the macros pretty much the same. And I could, I looked different. I didn't look the same. What you call that, the bro answer would be, I was less sharp, I looked at whatever, right?

But I know that I looked at, I could look at myself, not only how I looked and then and how I felt, how my body was holding water too, and say like I definitely looked better on holes. And I noticed that it was easier to follow the diet when I was eating whole foods versus when I was using things in a wrapper. Whenever I would eat a quest bar, which I would love, always promoted me to one another one and

another one. Because they're hyper palatable. Yes. It's designed to do that. Right. And it's convenient as fuck, right? Like those, those things all play, it play a role. And so if you're, if you were as dialed as I was where you, you will not budge from your plan and you're going to stick right to your macros, throwing in a protein bar here and there, instead of having a one cup of rice and chicken breast instead, is it gonna make a huge difference on your body, overall, body comes in?

No, but I guarantee you having the whole foods will be easier for you to sustain and follow the program than it would be eating something that's artificial and designed to hijack your palate. And there's things that I think that we don't know yet. I think there's a lot of, when you start talking about your microbiome, your gut, your gut floor, and what could potentially be going on with some of these artificial sweeteners and the fake food that we eat a lot that we're comparing to because that's pretty much what we're doing right now, right? Is we're comparing food that's engineered versus food that is whole if the macros are the same, right?

If I were to eat 500 calories of quest bars versus 500 calories of steak steaks and steak potato and vegetables, if the macros are the same, am I going to see the same body composition change? Yeah, pretty for the most part you will, but there's a lot of other things that could be potentially going on that will make it easier or harder for you. Absolutely, and you know, it's funny. I bet you, if you took a group of people who wanted to lose weight and you told them nothing else,

you didn't tell them to cut their food or eat less or eat more or do anything else. All you did was say, all you can eat are whole natural foods, you have to eliminate all processed foods out of your diet. I bet you, on average, you would see a weight loss. I bet you anything.

This is why that. Because the foods are necessarily healthier, although they are, but because processed foods are designed to make you eat more, they, just like Adam said, they hijack your systems of satiety. I love using this example. If I took 2,000 calories worth of plain white boiled potato

with no salt, no butter, nothing. And I put that in front of you. Good luck even finishing it. You wouldn't be able to finish it all. You gag, you'd be sick of it. But I could do the same thing with potato chips and you'd eat the fuck out of that real fast. I could eat 2,000 calories with potato chips in 10 minutes.

And that's the difference. And so, you know, whole natural foods, it makes things a lot easier. Now, on the other side of that, are they typically healthier? Yep, they are also. Typically, not always, you could definitely have whole natural foods

that are not as healthy as a process food, but it's much more difficult, much more rare. And I guarantee, and I know that most of the money spent on the process food that you're eating has to do with making it. And this is also taking in what we know right now and we don't know everything. We still don't know everything. And so that to me is all there's this other side to this that I feel like we keep learning more and more about this

shit that oh that may not be good. I mean what just 10 15 years ago everybody was on the artificial sweetener kick because it was save calories, but now look where we're at with that. Who knows where we're going to be at the next five to 10 years? You know, where are we at with the red dyes and things like that? I mean, we keep finding out more and more stuff about it and the way I feel because I've been doing this for so long, I was like, you know, like, you can't go wrong if it's whole natural foods.

Like that, you definitely can't go wrong. What? I shouldn't say that. You can't go wrong if it's whole natural foods. Like that, you definitely can't go wrong. What, I shouldn't say that, you can't go wrong. It's harder to go wrong. Yeah, it's much more different. And I, this used to be a challenge I used to have clients when they'd ask me, like, oh, you're gonna write me this specific diet or tell me what to eat. I'd be like, listen, if you can eat

all whole natural foods, go to town and just keep track of it. Let me know. And then from there, I can adjust. And you'll be surprised if you just don't open it out of a fucking wrapper out of a can or a box. Good luck. Here's let me know. And then from there I can adjust it. You'll be surprised if you just don't open it out of a fucking wrapper, out of a can or a box. Good luck. Here's how you know. I love doing this with clients.

They'll be eating all whole natural foods. And then they'll tell me like, oh fuck man, I'm hungry. And I'll just go ahead and eat more. And they'll be like, well I don't want the foods that, you know, I'm craving. I'm craving a processed food. I've're craving. You're hungry. They're craving a processed food. I've done this myself for all, eat like a full meal

with like steak and maybe some rice and some vegetables. Just a whole, again, whole natural. You still want like chips or what? Exactly. At the end of it, I'll be like, I'm kind of hungry. But I definitely don't want to eat the food that I just ate. I don't want to eat more of that.

I want to have the box of whatever is in the cupboard or the thing that's in the freezer because that's, again, that's what they're designed to do. Oh, we just ate yesterday together and we're eating at the hotel that we stayed at. I ordered a chicken Caesar salad and I ordered a hanger steak with vegetables and the hanger steak came with potato fries. And so I ate everything and I was like, except for the potato fries. And so I ate everything, and I was like, except for the potato fries until, and I told myself,

like, I'm gonna eat all, cover everything I need, and then if I still want something at the end. And I was actually stuffed. Like I did not want any more from the fact I didn't even finish, I finished the protein and the chicken and the salad, but I didn't even finish all the salad, and I barely got the last bit of my hanger steak in.

And I wanted to taste the potato fryer. So I took the fry, dip in the ketchup, and I ate it. Oh, I want more. Right, then I ate a second one, then I ate a third one, and then I realized, whoa, I had to force myself even to have one because I was already stuffed. The minute that I had that, I mean, just, pfff. Oh my God, I was gonna crush that,

ask the lady to take it away. So I was sitting with Doug at that meal. I had a ribeye, we had broccoli beforehand. I had potatoes that came with my steak. And we finished our meals. And I was pretty full. And then Adam was like, oh, I'm not gonna eat my fries anymore. So I started eating those. And I knew I was full, but I was eating these fries. And then Doug is like, hey, Sal, do you want the rest of my steak?

I took one bite of the steak and I don't want any of the steak. I wanted the fucking, the super-engineer of the steak. I was like, oh, I'm not gonna eat my fries anymore. but I was eating these fries. And then Doug is like, hey Sal, do you want the rest of my steak? I took one bite of the steak and I don't want any of the steak. I wanted the fucking, the super-engineer French fries. The novelty, right? Yeah, you know, so I mean, I hate this argument because in a perfect world, you know,

yeah, you're controlled in a laboratory and you're just given your fed what you're given. And that's all you can eat. Doesn't work that way in the real world. I count for this, yes. The psychology, but. Right, if you didn't, because going back to this question, And that's all you can eat. Doesn't work that way in the real world. Count for the psychology. Right. If you didn't,

because going back to this question, if you would have opted not to eat the potatoes and actually measured out the same amount of calories of the french fries and only ate that, you would be okay, cosmetically. But the likelihood of you fucking doing that is so low because of that experience. If you're trying to get lean

and you want to make your life miserable, eat a lot of processed foods, I promise you'll have a fucking tough time eating the right amount of calories to lose body fat if it's a lot of processed foods. So true. Very, very difficult. Look, we have a lot of free guides.

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