Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 821: How to Stop Losing Hair, the Truth About Fat Burners, Favorite Mythical Creatures & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND We talk about Emily Abbott from CrossFit and her band for performance enhancing drugs, but the crazy thing is how she got them the way she administered the drugs Not the normal way. No, not at all. Be careful. We swap and fluids. We talk about my Napa trip had a good time up in Napa Went to a castle Drink some wine and now I'm ready for this contest went to a castle, drank some wine, and now I'm ready for this contest. You're a bald buck. You're so scared. We talked about my mud bath.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Oh, Justin gives us his carnivore diet update. Yeah. Is he gonna be able to hold out? Is he going to be able to keep up with the psychological warfare that's being conducted on him? Or is he fucked? Adam and Sal. Or is he?

Starting point is 00:01:03 Hey, life's good with a belly full of meat. We talked about Adam's move. He might be moving pretty soon. Maybe close to Sal. Then we talked about my hangover hack, which includes activated charcoal and organify green juice, believe it or not, actually prevented a hangover.

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Starting point is 00:01:34 We also talked about health IQ and how we're working with them again. The Health IQ provides life insurance for fit and healthy people. If you go to healthicu.com-mine pump, you'll get a free quote just for you. Then we talked about Justin's tree house project. He's trying to win that first place in the dad contest.

Starting point is 00:01:57 Good job, Justin. Number one. Then we talked about mice with human brains. Oh, smart. Is that missing Mickey Mouse, little human miceys? We talked about a new show on prime called Dear Zachary, and Dark Tourists on Netflix, two shows that the boys are recommending. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, this one was specifically for Adam.

Starting point is 00:02:24 How do you stop a reverse balding? Is it possible? What are some of the techniques that we've used? Actually, there is something that he has used. He has used that seems to benefit him. It's the Juve Lite. We do work with them. If you go to juve.com, j-ov.com forward slash mind pump, you will get a discount on

Starting point is 00:02:47 one of their light products. The next question was, what is our stance on fat burners, when you combine them with proper diet and exercise? Well, we typically don't like them, but we talk about why. Yeah, why don't we like them in that part of this episode? I want to also mention, we did mention Saul Palmetto for hair loss. You can find Saul Palmetto at Thrive Market.

Starting point is 00:03:10 If you go to ThriveMarket.com, forward slash mine pump, we've hooked you up with a free month membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and free shipping. The next question was, this is a person as a personal trainer, and they spend an hour a day with their clients.

Starting point is 00:03:26 Where's the line between being professional and creating a real friendship? Is it unprofessional to become friends with your clients? You might be surprised the answer in that part of this episode. And finally, the last question, a very important one. Wanna mention, make sure everybody knows Justin picked this one.

Starting point is 00:03:45 I don't care, man. The audience appreciates it. They do. What is our favorite mythical creature? And why? Find out why Adam likes merman. Yeah. He's always wanted to be one.

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Starting point is 00:05:08 send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Oh my God, last place again. Oh, Jesus, Justin. Come on, we can't hear myself. You said last place thing, dude. Just get just, just get comfortable right there. I can't hear anything, Doug. You got to turn it on, no?

Starting point is 00:05:26 Did you turn the dial? Last place, Andrews. That is not ever ringed to it at all. He's like, I've never heard that before. Ever. You put it in the right hole, Justin? I am. Are you sure?

Starting point is 00:05:38 I swear. I feel like you're not. There we go. Okay. That one was out. Is your computer turned on? Is your computer turned on? Hey, I was dying. Is that the story?

Starting point is 00:05:49 Dying yesterday, watching Justin's in the story. So good. You can even remember what that was from, dude. I didn't need to. I just blocked it out. That's why. I just saw all the semesters alone in the book. I need you to appreciate that.

Starting point is 00:06:03 That's me. I was watching that with Jessica and we were fucking dying like this asshole. That's good. Oh, God, it's fucking with you a little bit. It was so good. You know, it's funny is I can't I've been waiting for Taylor to come in so because Taylor is listening to the fucking show so he won't get the joke. I guess no idea how good that story is. That's only for the fans. Sorry. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep doing that right If you're a listener if you know you'll enjoy it, right? Maybe we should just a lucky Lou then it's fucking doesn't make sense to you

Starting point is 00:06:30 Maybe we should send our fans a DM Taylor to listen to the show. What do you say? Yeah, go on his other one was it was it was it? I'm so t-table. No, you're not gonna Table yeah, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Hey yo, I'm t-tay I'm gonna I'm it cuz you know, but you can't tell him no I'm gonna tell him that we sent you know, you're the best part is we've given him like what I don't know six different Nicknames now. Yeah, he calls himself Tate Come on girl. How many calls you that?

Starting point is 00:06:58 You fucking called yourself that can give yourself a nickname Okay, listen if you DM, don't tell him you heard on Mind Pump. Just be like, Hey, is this Taylor from Mind Pump? Yeah, because we're not going to listen to the show. Yeah, give him shit. Okay, so here's this. Here's his cover Instagram. Well, it's not going to be so undercover after this. So it's so good. It's Tay Valens. So it's TA it's all one word TA Y VA L.E.N.Z So if you guys want you guys can go So perfect

Starting point is 00:07:44 Dude, did you guys oh I want to talk about this did you you guys hear about, okay, who's the girl that got, Kim got a CrossFit? Emily. Which her last name? Emily Rad or something like that. Did her name real quick? Oh my god, this is good. Yes.

Starting point is 00:07:52 Did you hear her, excuse? Yes. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Her boyfriend, from kissing him? Apparently, her boyfriend. Emily Abbott. Abbott. Her boyfriend, and she's a big time competitor, right?

Starting point is 00:08:04 Yeah, yeah. Apparently, her boyfriend took whatever substanceott. Abbott, her boyfriend, and she's a big time competitor, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently her boyfriend took whatever substance she got caught with, and then she would make out with him afterwards. And because she kissed him and it was in his mouth from an hour ago, it got in her bloodstream. And she tested it a lot. Watch out, you might get pregnant from a toilet seat. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:23 And she tested, that has got to be you know What happened she's freaking out. She's like I got four years suspended right and her boyfriend's like I'll take the heat Like babe listen. Yeah, you know, I'll totally take the heat for you babe, you know because you're the fucking money I was like, you know did you just like I gave him head and swallowed so I must have gotten Basically, right? I mean can you actually make more sense? It's the, you know, more dangerous. You got caught. Dude.

Starting point is 00:08:50 Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, you ain't cheating, ain't trying. You know what I'm saying? You got caught. You lost. You know what I'm saying? God, man.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Maybe four years, ain't fucking around. No, that's... You're basically ruined. Yeah, I respect that though. Yeah. Four years is you're done. Yeah. And I know what they did. What they did this time is they're made...

Starting point is 00:09:06 It should be a lifetime. What do you think? I think it should just be a life. If you're gonna play, or we need to open up CrossFit. As they start losing money, they're gonna change that real quick. I know. Because think about it.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Somebody like her, who probably has a pretty large following, people go to watch the events want to see her compete for four years, she's done. She's out of it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They could lose a lot of money. Look what happened with baseball when they started getting crazy with the test things. No, I know. I know. It absolutely could. I wonder, well, of course it is. I was gonna say how I've been taged, it says it to be taking steroids and being crossfit, but the recovery side of it, I know. Big time. Because you wouldn't want to put

Starting point is 00:09:43 too much weight on. You wouldn't be taking like fucking deball and shit. You're not going to take something that's going to make you jacked. No, no. Yeah, like what would be the preferential? Right, you're going to run things like EQ and basic tests and stuff like that. Something that's going to help speed up recovery

Starting point is 00:09:57 and give you the advantage with hormone, testosterone, but I don't see people taking like crazy amounts of drugs to, or at least not steroids. Do you want for recovery? Because you got to do a lot of body weight. You got to do a lot of handstands, handstands stuff. And I know that like when I'm big and bulky,

Starting point is 00:10:13 even if I'm lean, it's harder to do those things. It's harder to do pull-ups. It's harder to do a handstand. It's harder to do shit like that. Here's a, you can use them in ways that are going to benefit any physical endeavor. So no, they're not gonna use these Water retention, you know type anabolic steroids I would say what she got caught with you. I was trying to look it up

Starting point is 00:10:33 I forgot what it was, but it was I believe it was a peptide or a sarm I think it might have been a sarm or a peptide or something like that Yeah, because and that's the other thing too some of these guys were getting busted for taking a sarm Really? Just take a sterile it. Yeah, I can detect that said well, I still get that in my inbox all the time people I'm thinking about taking this arm. Why I want to look her up right now on Instagram see what she looks like See if I could guess that she's on something you know, I mean no, she doesn't I mean she's not crazy jacked or anything like that really Yeah, I know I mean she She's not dead. Yeah, I can't find her.

Starting point is 00:11:08 Anyway, so go to the other page. Oh, there it is. She's pretty Jack, dude. Oh, okay, that's a good picture. She's pretty, yeah, she's pretty Jack girl. Well, I don't know, man, four years, that's basically you're done, right? I mean, that's a long, that's a long,

Starting point is 00:11:21 she's like, unless you're 20, two. It's not if you exist. It's four years, so you're gonna. Oh God here. Oh wow We just got the soccer heat now you're gonna get the crossfit heat. I haven't had crossfit heat forever Dude I'll give you shit Dang that's crazy. Hey, how's your guys's weekend? Good but not as good as yours. Oh Good, but why you mr. Mud bath?

Starting point is 00:11:42 Yeah, little white take it up the bread. Well, we went up there red. You said I'd eat her. No, the bread was in the picture, not in my mouth. We planned this a while ago, it was my mom's 60th birthday. And she wanted to do a tour of, there's a castle up there. I can't remember the name of it, it's in Calistoga. Gorgeous, this fucking $48 million castle on the Spinyard, that took the guy 15 years to build,

Starting point is 00:12:09 which it's insane. I'm walking around, I'm like, God damn. Yeah, this is crazy. He's got this much money. Oh, there it is. Castelo de Amarosa. Oh, damn. Yeah, dude, it's like a $48 million.

Starting point is 00:12:19 That's how much it costs him to build it. Was that modeled off of like a real castle somewhere? Well, he put things in there from castles and stuff in Italy. I don't wanna build a castle. Oh, dude, it was insane. That's crazy. So we were in there taking this tour and there was like, he had a dungeon in there.

Starting point is 00:12:35 Of course. With actual torture devices that were from like five or 600 years ago, were things that were actually used. So they had an iron maiden in there. Wow. Have you ever seen an iron maiden up close? That's the headmaid. The headmaid.

Starting point is 00:12:48 The headmaid, right? That's the beheading. No, that's a good thing. What's the iron? What's the spikes? Where you're using it? It's closed somebody inside, right? It's like this big iron closet looking thing

Starting point is 00:12:58 with the space on it. And you stand instead of it. And there's these long spikes, and then they close it, and the spikes go inside of you But the spikes are designed to not hit your vital organs and they're not designed to go all the way through you So you just it's just fucking oh my god, you're like a live still, but it's even worse. Oh my Squeezes and pokes you the guy giving us the tours talking about all these torture devices

Starting point is 00:13:21 And I'm just realizing how fucking terrible humans like the the things that were capable of, there it is. That's what it looks like. Oh my God. So it's a full body. It's a full body thing. So they close you in that thing. And it's literally designed to not hit vital organs. Oh yeah, and you like just bleed out slowly.

Starting point is 00:13:36 It's supposed to really hurt you but not kill you. So then you go in there, they close it on you and then sometimes what they'll do is they'll open the top of it because there's like a face thing on the top they'll open that and they'll throw rats or other vermin in there to eat at you and and it came complete with a space underneath for them to put to drink holes and fire. Well that's convenient. Why? That's insane. Then they had fucked up shit. Then they had the rack.

Starting point is 00:14:05 Do you guys know what the rack is? No. So it's this table that they strap your arms to, and they strap you. And they just fucking crank it. They can pull your shit apart. Yes, there it is right there. So that's the rack.

Starting point is 00:14:17 And then they also have the horse drawn. Oh, were they drawn quarter you? Quarter you. So the horse is run in opposite opposite directions And rip your fucking limbs off So on the rack on the actual table part there were these rollers with spikes in it and the guys like yeah They would use these if the person didn't want to confess like well fuck of course they're gonna confess Everybody's gonna confess on this thing, but anyway, and we need cry closets Like what the hell like we went a long way. Yeah, and you got internet and jail now.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Yeah, I mean, that's crazy, right? You know what I mean? I mean, I mean word. Yeah, so crazy. Was it, did you do like a tour of the place? Is that what a tour of the whole place? You don't stay there, right? You don't actually stay in the place.

Starting point is 00:15:00 It's not like a place. No, no, no, no, no, no, we got a private tour. Now does anybody live there still? There's a house on the vineyard that belongs to the owner, stay in the place. It's not like a place. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, yeah, kind of just crazy. I just, I can't believe vineyards make this much money, but they do, they make it insane, because when they give you a tour and they show you the process of making wine, there's so much science and insanity that's involved. Most, like, most people that start vineyard

Starting point is 00:15:35 or have vineyards that make a lot of money, had money before. There's an old saying in, you have to, in wine world, right? It's, if you, if you wanna make a million dollars selling wine, start with a billion. Yes, no, start with like you want to make a million dollars selling wine, start with a billion. Yes, no start with like a hundred million or a hundred million.

Starting point is 00:15:48 Yes, it is. Something like that. Anyway, so it's not. But it was gorgeous and they gave us a full tour of the whole place and at the end, then they, you know, we did the wine tasting, which wine, I'm not a big alcohol drinker, so I don't really know the difference,

Starting point is 00:15:59 but tell you what, once you start to get drunk, they all taste pretty good. So I started getting a buzz. I'm like, oh, I like this a too, you know? I end up buying a bottle or whatever. But we also did the day before Jessica went there, Jessica and I went there early, and we did just on our own in Napa,

Starting point is 00:16:14 and we did the mud bath, dude. Have you guys ever done a mud bath? No. I have it. Katrina, that keeps trying to get me to go and I have it. That one look cool though, though, that you guys were in. Bro, I like that.

Starting point is 00:16:21 It was like a little couple of months ago. It was not what you would think. It was like an elbow, you guys kind of like were on opposite sides. Was was like a little couple of months ago. It's not what you would expect. It's like an elbow you guys kind of like were on opposite sides. Was there like a place to rinse off afterwards? Yeah, so it's a private room. So it's totally private. You go in there. The mud, they make from clay and peat and natural mineral water from Calistoga because we were in Calistoga. So everything's from there, it's fresh or whatever. You get in the mud bath, your naked obviously. And it's a deep like this deep tub cement tub full of this mud. And

Starting point is 00:16:52 you think you go in and you just go down to the bottom. No, it's super thick. And you don't want to touch the bottom because it's hot. It's fuck. If you touch the bottom, you'll melt your foot off. So they're like, don't go to the bottom of it. You have to kind of like put yourself on the surface and you kind of your foot off. So they're like, don't go to the bottom of it. You have to kind of like put yourself on the surface and you kind of wiggle yourself in. Really? Yeah, and the ladies like, I'll be back in 10 minutes to help to, you know, let you guys know

Starting point is 00:17:12 that it's time to get out. And I'm like, 10 minutes, I'm like, are we supposed to be in here an hour? She's like, you'll want to be out in 10 minutes. That thing is in oven. You're in this mud and it's hot. And there's your heat can't go anywhere. So you're literally cooking in this mud.

Starting point is 00:17:26 It's just your head that's like out. Just your head, that's out. You're not selling this very well for me. It's actually sold. Let me finish. So you're in that for 10 minutes. It's a human soup. It doesn't sound fucking fun at all.

Starting point is 00:17:38 So what it reminds me of is, you know when you get the first time you went to sauna and it was kind of hard to, like, okay, I got to stay in here for a little longer than five minutes and you're with standing in the heat. So it's like that after about six or seven minutes, you're like, oh, I want to get out, because it's really hot, but you stay in there for 10. Then you come out, then you rinse yourself with this mineral water that comes from, again,

Starting point is 00:17:56 from Calestoga, then you go into mineral jacuzzi, and then after that, they put you on this bed, and they wrap you in these blankets and you go to sleep. Bro, I don't know if it's the minerals from the mud or from the water or the combination. Yeah, flooded with minerals, honestly, this whole process. Bro, your CNS is like, I felt like I took a roofie. Like I get out of that thing and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:18:17 bro, I had to like sit in my car. Now when they wrapped you, were you able to fall asleep? Out. Really? Out. Hard? Out. Hard. Really? Yeah, it was like a 25, 30 minute nap,

Starting point is 00:18:29 but it felt like I woke up from the dead. Wow. Like I was so out. Jessica, I couldn't even wake her up. I got scared for a second. I'm like, where you go? Nice smacked her cold touch. Oh my god, he scared the shadow of me, babe.

Starting point is 00:18:41 Anyway, you getting the car, I had to wait 15 minutes before I could drive. That's how relaxed I was. Oh wow. it was fucking pretty fun. Pretty fun stuff. You get mud all kinds of different crefuses and shit. So you had to make sure you're watching stuff real well. I got a little mud in the butt crack area. Oh, God. Mud dirt. Mud dirt. Mud mud. It's coming out like a week later. It dries up. It'll mud mud. It's stuck to the butt hairs. It's not a comfortable. Did you really? No, I didn't. I was gonna say, it's your card.

Starting point is 00:19:06 How's the carnivore diet going? Ah, it's going. Did you go off of it? No, I didn't go off of it. Yeah, it's been a bit of a struggle, but yeah, no, I still just meet. Just meet. Still.

Starting point is 00:19:16 You just meet. Is the palate fatigue set in or what? Yes. Yeah, the worst part is, so I started eating like deli meats because I kinda, you know, I'm cheating. You're off of all of it yeah I'm on butt. Which is like a snack you know because like I man it is hard to get calories in man like I'm I just feel like it's tough to eat a bunch of meat and like you know have have it like

Starting point is 00:19:40 where I feel like I'm energized you know it's not energized yet so. Now I have this theory dude and I'm really worried for you. And this is that at one point, because six weeks is a long time. I know. Well, yeah, I know I've been evaluating that, too, but go ahead. So, what my fear is that-

Starting point is 00:19:56 You should offset it with an all-carb diamond. No, this is not my- I don't trust anything you guys have to say. We're just, no, you should do just right. So, what I'm assuming is happening to you and it sounds like that you're confirming that from here right now is that it's really challenging to get 3000 plus calories of just straight steak.

Starting point is 00:20:14 So what you're probably ending up doing is probably getting less and less calories. And so your body's gonna get adapted to one not having carbohydrates, two having lower calorie. And then when you decide I'm over this fucking thing, look out, it's gonna be really tough to reverse out of that. You just gotta slowly do it, reverse yourself out of it slowly. There's a deal, when you do something like this,

Starting point is 00:20:33 you say that it's all easy. Well, and that's not easy, but that's the simple, right? We know what the structure is. Right, right. Well, I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna give it about two weeks and then I might introduce like vegetables in again, but I'm also doing, I'm gonna doing the the chicken livers and egg yolks Oh, yeah, that's that's something I'm gonna start doing this week

Starting point is 00:20:51 How have you weighed yourself today to see how much you've dropped? Yeah, drop like five total pounds since I've started Yeah, you're fine. Yeah, you're fine. I wouldn't worry about I wouldn't worry too much about eating too little if you've only dropped Five and you started how long ago? Yeah, I started about Let's see because four so so it brought six days. Six days, five pounds? Yeah, that's actually normal for cutting carbs. Right, right. Forget just the fact that you're currently more.

Starting point is 00:21:14 You've dropped, it's a good amount of that. You've probably lost maybe one, two pounds of that. It's like 1800 is like my stand. I can't really budge past that. Like 1800s. You can see it's really good. Calories? Yeah, like every day is like, that's a low calorie, bro. Yeah, it is.

Starting point is 00:21:27 That's how a low calorie. It is, but you know, I mean, that's the thing. You couple that, why don't you eat more frequently, I think. I'm just saying dude, you're, you couple that with high training hard too, you know what I'm saying? Like you just, you're gonna send that body's gonna think, I don't need hardly any calories. It's just, and he did this last time too,

Starting point is 00:21:42 when he did this. He fasted hella hard. I'm not yet. Well, that's the thing. I've been trained hard I started I've been doing a couple more that are like a little bit more moderate because just because like my energy is in there So I'm trying to figure that out. I mean This is why you're this exactly why I'm gonna win. Justin's gonna try too hard. You're not gonna try hard enough I'm gonna be saying that I was like this fucking guy. You're gonna have it. No, I'm gonna figure it out You're gonna try too hard. He's not gonna try hard. No, I'm gonna fix it. You're gonna try too hard. He's not gonna try hard now.

Starting point is 00:22:06 And I'm gonna slide right right. We're gonna introduce cheese. Let's see, let's make it. We'll see, let's see. It's my dark horse. We'll see what happens. But no, let's see. We'll see.

Starting point is 00:22:13 Yeah, we'll see. How was your weekend? I was training in meal prepping. That's what I was doing. All weekend? Fucking A. Okay. Yeah, that's good.

Starting point is 00:22:21 Good for you. Be nervous. Where'd you work out? I'm not, where'd you work out of? Just go back to gold. Yeah, we lifted one day at golds, and then Katrina and I came back here and lifted one day. So Saturday we lifted in here,

Starting point is 00:22:32 Sunday we were at golds. And then we're also, you know, packing up the house right now, too. Oh, you packing? Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's worked out. We're trying to get into a place by August 1st right now,

Starting point is 00:22:43 so that we're trying to push it even up for, we were supposed to be out September, but I was like, fuck it, if we can get out and into a place by August 1st right now so that we're trying to push it even up for we are supposed to be out September But I was like fucking if we can get out and find a place right now. Let's just go out. Let's go out early and In fact today I should find out if we're what's your moving day? Well might be August 1st So I have till take a good term busy I'm not moving bro. No, I'm just let it shit. I am higher people. It's so worth it No, I mean like I'm literally not taking anything. No, I'm just letting shit. I'm higher people. It's so worth it. No, I mean, like I'm literally not taking anything.

Starting point is 00:23:06 Oh, that's right. Yeah, I'm maturing shit. Oh, really? That's all she's allowed to keep. Like we've had this big old thing that we can do because like her mom was over and she's like, people all her family, everyone's going through our stuff because I'm like, I'm getting rid of everything.

Starting point is 00:23:18 It's fuck, if we, if it can't sell right away, I'm burning it. It's not coming, right? So everyone's like coming over like, oh, I want this, I want that, whatever. And Katrina is like, she's fighting me on this, even though she acts like she's not fighting me on it. And so we have like this, the dump pile,

Starting point is 00:23:33 the cell, what we're selling pile, and then like the things that we're actually taking. And every time I come back outside to check where the piles are going, so that, I gotta go back over and look at the things that we're keeping, I'm'm like we are not fucking keeping this I'm not gonna throw away some pillows that we can use for this spare bedroom I'm like those pillows are guys are years old they get drool stains all over and they're $10 a target

Starting point is 00:23:56 Fuck it throw me the trash So man, dude, I had to let those things go So you might you've found a place maybe so yeah, so I find out today I'm gonna be not far from you, like close enough to walk, not walk. Okay. I don't think we can hang out. We'll be up close. We'll be heading up towards door activities. That's activities together up communication hill. Okay. Like that, like towards that way. So we're gonna be close to that tower. No, no, no, okay, good. Don't, don't live next to the tower. No, no, no, I'm not actually up at communication. I'm closer to like behind the car dealerships back

Starting point is 00:24:29 that way. I know that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not far from me. So there's it. The exit you get off to go home and you go right, you go left to go to. Oh, perfect. Yeah, yeah. So you want to carpool? We are. We're on the same street. Okay. We can't, you can't hop in with me. Sorry. We'll do that. How long does it take to get here in the morning time? Depends on traffic, but usually 30 minutes is on average. Sometimes it could take as long as the number. Wow It takes you that long to get from there because 87 can suck my dick. That's why. Yeah. Oh, you don't take all back streets Oh, I would backstreet when I take Lincoln. That's what I plan it. Lincoln's gonna take you for sure 35 40 minutes for sure Oh really? Yeah, for sure just cuz it coming down down

Starting point is 00:25:06 But then again, I come here after I drop my kids off in the morning So I leave at 8.30 in the morning, which is kind of peak traffic if you come here early Yeah, if you leave it seven you're probably gonna get your 15 minutes. Okay, that's okay So I'm not that we shouldn't be that because it says worth I think each Katrina how crazy this this is why I think this place Is meant to be so we'll find out today, but we're both of us are exactly 13 minutes away from work. Oh, so you're right in the middle? Yeah, it's like a perfect dead center for both of us.

Starting point is 00:25:30 And it's a house with the yard and all that stuff. It's a townhouse. We have a, it has a, you know, two car garage that's attached to it. It's a little bit smaller than what I'm in right now, but it's nicer than what I'm in right now. So I'm happy with the move. And it's just her and I right now.

Starting point is 00:25:44 So it's, we have So it's a three bedroom. You guys haven't lived just for a while. Hold on, you guys haven't lived just the two of you guys. Have you guys ever just lived here? Well, at my house, I mean, I guess you could say, when we first started dating, I had my house still, and we spent most of the time over at my place. So, but when I sold my house, I moved in with her.

Starting point is 00:26:03 And when I moved in with her, she's always had Everett. She's live with ever forever. So he's not coming. Oh, he wants to I told her no more no more roommates did this. There's no reason for us We're seeking to go not if you guys are trying to have a kid now Yeah, and just there's no reason to you know saying like oh you know freaky sex bro That's why I saw I'm all, I'm, all over the place. See, I had my house for nine years, you know, since I know it's like to walk around my house naked and make breakfast and do that and like,

Starting point is 00:26:31 sleep with my, all my doors open. Exactly. Yeah, that's like, I missed all that shit. Yeah. That's all happening. We, we should find out today for sure if I, we get to that place or not, I'm, I'm pretty sure we will.

Starting point is 00:26:41 Uh, and then, uh, then I'll be moving. Beautiful. Beautiful. or not, I'm pretty sure we will. And then I'll be moving by the first. Beautiful. Dude, I totally hacked the alcohol, you know, hang over whatever hack. Fixed it. I mean, it still do in your... It works, dude.

Starting point is 00:26:56 Activated charcoal. So Jessica, like, nine out of 10 times, if she drinks, especially if it's wine, she's gonna have headache in the evening. It's just, you just have to deal with it. Like, okay, we're gonna get a headache. But activated charcoal throughout the drinking, so we'll do like one or two capsules

Starting point is 00:27:11 after like one or two glasses of wine. And we were drinking all day, we were wine tasting all day. That plus the organified green juice in between and or the gold juice which has turmeric in it will throw that in there. She not only did she not have a headache both days which is a miracle, but both of us woke up the next day feeling,

Starting point is 00:27:31 it's been fine, it's been a game changer since you introduced me. It's crazy. No, it's been a game changer. I don't feel like yesterday we drank, I went wine tasting three times yesterday. And today I feel okay. Like a champion. Not like a champion, I can tell I wasn't, you know, on point,

Starting point is 00:27:48 but I wasn't, I'm not terrible, which is a, it's a fucking miracle. Dude, speaking of our sponsors, guess who, uh, just resigned with us? I haven't had a chance to tell you guys this. We had such a great response from this commit. And it was like almost, God, it's been two months, at least since, uh, we finalized everything. And I believe we're kicking up their, God, it's been two months at least since we finalized everything. And I believe we're kicking up their next campaign is Health IQ. We had such a great, it's a great business. Yeah, I think it just fits our audience really well too. I mean, obviously, you have people that need insurance, right? So you have, and everybody that was when we did the first

Starting point is 00:28:21 campaign, I mean, they, they were all hesitant about advertising with us as a podcast because they weren't really in that space. It's a brilliant model that they have. I'm mad that I didn't think about it. I mean, if you really think like, because they're life insurance, right? So people listening right now, who don't know what this says, it's life insurance.

Starting point is 00:28:37 But when you pay your rate to an insurance company or whatever, do two insurance companies because it's like you can get with a broker that can find different ones. Your rate is for your risk, but you also, it's also, it's kind of cumulative, all the risks that they pay, all that cost goes in there.

Starting point is 00:28:53 Well, Health IQ tries to work with fit and healthy people is what they try to do. Yeah, and it saves money at the end of the day. And that's what they're known for. So then when they go off to get you, to find you, you know, carriers, they're like, oh, we're health IQ. We vet people, we work with healthy people.

Starting point is 00:29:10 We're the lower risk for these insurance companies. And your price is cheaper. So we should be paying less money for it. Was it Doug? You're the one, because Doug worked in the insurance company or insurance industry for a while for a long time. He went and tried to see if he could find better prices and he couldn't.

Starting point is 00:29:26 Substantially less. In fact, I think it was like 22% for myself. And I tried to match it with the companies I work with and I couldn't. Yeah, so that's good. I'm glad to see how long are they working with us for? I think they signed for, I think another two or three months they're signed up for.

Starting point is 00:29:41 I gotta ask Taylor, I mean, Taylor handles all the contracts with the finalized, all that stuff, but he had him and I met last week. And we were just kind of going over like what sponsors, what campaigns, where we had, he goes, oh, by the way, he goes, you know, health IQ finally got back. And we had such a great response, they want to run the campaign again. So that was really cool.

Starting point is 00:30:00 Doug, do they do all the versions of life insurance, like whole life and? No, they focus on term life insurance. Okay, just a straight... Yes, correct. Okay. So, people with families and children, they need to make sure that their kids are taking care of it. What's the difference with what...

Starting point is 00:30:15 It's, I'll just say, what's the difference? There's some, there's different types of insurances that you can treat like investments and stuff like that. But this is just, you know, you sign up for 30 years, it's good for 30 years. If you die within that period of time, you get a defined benefit meaning. What if the outlive it? Then it's gone after that. Oh shit.

Starting point is 00:30:33 But the idea is to cover you when you need the money. So for example, if somebody with a family or a spouse, or somebody that they want to, take care of them. If they weren't to make it during that period of time, then that's where that comes into play. Do you and Katrina do that with each other? Do you guys have insurance with each other? No, we don't right we don't yet I'm sure when we when the family comes around and all that that's when you want to absolutely

Starting point is 00:30:55 That's a no brainer. First thing we need to do. Yeah. No, that's a no brainer when that all happens But right now if I die like you know, you know, whatever. Yeah, it's like my sister is the beneficiary for most of my stuff Really? Yeah, she gets made she makes out really did we do something for mine pump something happens one of us not yet I die like, you know, whatever. Yeah. My sister's the beneficiary for most of my stuff. Really? Yeah, she gets made, she makes out. Really? Did we do something for mind pump? Something happens to one of us?

Starting point is 00:31:09 Not yet. Holy shit. We should do that. Yeah. You know what you do with that, right? With the business. I did this, I did this to my last business. Taking you out.

Starting point is 00:31:17 You get a policy for your partners, then when they, if something happens to them. Yeah, we get paid out. Then that buys out their share house. Their share or whatever, right? Exactly. Now, we'll be all valued equally because we're equal partners or we'll be different.

Starting point is 00:31:31 I would say we're valued equally. I like to think that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's all based on percentage like how well we would be able to do without that one person. Is that what it is?

Starting point is 00:31:42 Is it all right? There's a special out-mind-pump algorithm. Yeah. How would the people get that out? Like if Doug was dead, we've like done. There's no mind-pump. What you're waiting for. It exists in a while.

Starting point is 00:31:51 I said, we always talk about our replacements. We haven't thought about who we replace Doug. We have to hire like five people. There is no good producers out there. Really? No. There's not. Not like Doug's.

Starting point is 00:32:02 We don't like Joe Rogan. We do it themselves. Yeah, most people don't have like a dub. Get know, Jamie. That's about it. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Jamie is a Joe's, right? Yeah. So and then who is the one I know he's good. And then so it's, um, okay. So there's some guys that we can replace you with. I'm not going anywhere soon now. I don't think anyway. Exactly. Yeah. Just then you got to tell Adam about the tree house thing that you're building. Did you hear about this? No, no. They're trying to build those backyards? So, while all weekend I've been kind of clearing out my backyard and like making, you know,

Starting point is 00:32:33 uncovering all the underbrush and all that kind of stuff. So I have like all these stumps on my backyard and I have all these trees. And so I promised the boys that I, and I kind of mentioned this on the show that I was going to build like a tree house, but my ideas turned into like it's a bit of a Nord deal. So what I'm doing is I'm building these platforms for a lot of the stumps. So they're going to have like four or five different platforms. So they have zip line, they have a rope bridge and that kind of shit. So I can prefabit first and then kind of put it on top of these thumbs. So it doesn't take as much effort and stuff because when you build tree houses,

Starting point is 00:33:09 it's quite involved. You have to get tree taps and you have to do all this kind of stuff. Anyways, it's less complicated but more work is what I just added for myself. Oh shit. You got a zip line, you got a zip line, you got a rope bridge.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Is there going to be a little covered up house area where they could go? Not yet. Like what I wanted to do is build up to that. So with the platforms I can kind of build on top of it, they're like little mini decks, you know, that they can kind of look out and play. So I'm basically building all this so they have like a rad, like, Nerf Fort House fighting. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:41 Oh my God, dude, that's so cool. So they'll all fight the friends of come over. It's kind of like going to be in a loop so they can kind of go from the bridge to this platform, go to the other one, hit the zip line, go up this trail, come back, and they do kind of a loop. So, that in the year, dude. Yeah, it sounds like a lot of calorie burning now.

Starting point is 00:34:01 Exactly, that's all we've been doing all, yeah. I've been doing nothing but work. I've been doing nothing. That's your neat work. Yeah. You might need some carbs to fuel it. It takes so, dude. You know, it's funny. I read that I'm fine.

Starting point is 00:34:12 That doughnuts in a carb depleted state actually burn body fat out of it. I did. It was sending that out. It was the secret of the glaze, don't it? Yeah, yeah, that's the secret of the glaze. I'm the glaze. That sounds so legit. I know, right? That's so real. I think secret of the secret place. That sounds so legit. I know, right?

Starting point is 00:34:27 That sounds so real. I think I read the same article. Yeah. Dude, so. Please be cream for the win. So I gotta read you guys this article that I read in Newsweek because I couldn't fucking believe it. I hope I didn't read this all right.

Starting point is 00:34:42 Let me know if I told you guys about this already. This is the title of the article from Newsweek. This was published April 19th, 2018. Mice with human brains created a new study. Could one day repair brain damage in humans? What? With human brains, what are you talking about? Baby mice have had human brain cells implanted

Starting point is 00:35:05 in their brains. What? So they implanted human brain cells into mice pups, which resulted in the animals growing a brain that was both human and rodent. And they hope that one day- It splinter, I'm just gonna say that. What the fuck do you beat me to it?

Starting point is 00:35:19 And they hope that one day, these special mice will help them better understand how the human brain develop. Can we give them like ninja skills? So what I want to do is I want to put them with four turtles and see what happens. What I want to do is I want to just like let's come up with all the different ways this could go wrong. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:35 You know what I'm saying? Like for me the first way is that's scary. You make a mouse that's got a human brain. It has, it starts to develop a consciousness and then it figures out it's being experimented on for other people That's fucked up number one right it's pretty sure that'll caught create resentment in the mouse human brain Population what if it escapes and like makes its way to like New York where there's like a fucking million of those things That's what I'm saying like I don't know which one is one with the brain and it starts communicating to them

Starting point is 00:36:01 That's what I'm saying they all attack us. Yeah, because they're all like in the cages, like they're just fucking using us to experiment and then they say, they play our games, but mice. That's such a bad idea. What are we doing, dude? Why are we making mice humans? Science, but mice humans. What the fuck, man?

Starting point is 00:36:18 Who's fucking brilliant idea? What is this? Why do scientists, do they not have like a... Scuse, we can. You know what they need? We need like an official like, you know, people or like a department. What they do is they get the ideas

Starting point is 00:36:33 and then they say nah, nah, they're gonna... Yeah, let's reject that. They get what the fuck award. I wanna make a lizard and combine it with the fucking dog. Just because you can't, does it mean you should? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't know about that. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:36:46 Pretty, pretty, pretty mice humans. Pretty crazy, but you know, apparently I guess what they're gonna do is they're gonna study the brains to see how to treat things like Alzheimer's and dementia. You know, if they're gonna go through this much trouble, why don't they just, I guess it's really hard to take and study these things because they develop over such long periods of time. All you can do is population-based studies, where you ask people surveys, like, how do you like to eat, and what are your activities?

Starting point is 00:37:12 You can't take people in a controlled environment for 50 years and then say, okay, the reason why people are getting Alzheimer's is this, what they're diet, or this, what they're, it's kind of hard to do that, right? So they have to do this. You don't think we have humans that are like in prison for life that have all these conditions that we can just test? You have a sun he may. That's fucked up dude. They're in prison for life. They used to do that.

Starting point is 00:37:33 I know it just makes sense to me. It's like you're fucked anyways. Now this is your way to give back. You fucked the fucking society. You're locked up forever. Maybe they take time off your sense. You're an experiment on you. You know, you can hate, how about that?

Starting point is 00:37:44 How about that? You can take time off of someone's sentence. Like, look, you're in here for life. What we'll do is we'll give you just 25 years. Right. If you let us experiment on your brain, yeah, we're going to turn you into a turtle. Why not? Yeah. Why not? I wonder. I feel like that's... Nobody would allow that to happen. You don't think so? No. Now, that's different. Even if they signed. Even if they said they gave it to you.

Starting point is 00:38:02 No, they wouldn't. But you're right, because that's different even they signed in this to the game that no they wouldn't you're right because that's different for me personally if a mouse could consciously Volunteer and agree to something out of a problem with it. So like I don't have a problem if the if the hue if people are like look Take 10 years years off my sentence. I'll do all the risks and you can do all the experiments It's my body People don't want to do that though and people want to see that they don't want to know that exists You know, I mean really but I think that would be fine because the person agreed to it I think so to do that. People don't want to see that, they don't want to know that exists, you know what I mean? Really? But I think that would be fine because the person agreed to it.

Starting point is 00:38:27 I think so too. Dude, that's the plot of that one Terminator movie. Which one? The one with what Christian Bale, and it's got the other guy, Sam Worlington. So Sam Worlington, he's like, I want to center, I didn't want you to to enter in Judgment.

Starting point is 00:38:42 He signed some sheet where he like, you know, for he signs over basically they can experiment on him and they keep him alive as like a robot. And then he fucking, which one was that? That was like when they revamped the whole, what's the one where he, the last one I watched, the last one I watched was the one where he ramps

Starting point is 00:39:02 the diesel off the fucking, the side of the freeway. Which that would sell. That's probably all of them. Yeah. It's all determined on which like guns and roses songs. And back there. He's like, hey, which one? Which one?

Starting point is 00:39:16 Which one's the one with the explosion and machine guns? I think I see how many are there? There's like four or five, right? Now, at least more. I think there's like six. Is it really that many? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think after the third, it's the least. Like, I think there's like six. It's a really that many. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:26 Yeah. So I think after the third one is where I stopped, I think I stopped after the third one. That one was good though. It was like a good refresh, a rebrand of Terminator. It was okay. I don't know. And it wasn't like, yeah, it was good. I liked it. Terminator, the series Terminator is the,

Starting point is 00:39:40 one of the only, I can't, maybe you guys can help me because you guys are all both kind of movie buffs too. It's the only series that I can think of off the top of my head, I can't, maybe you guys can help me because you guys are both kind of movie buffs too. It's the only series that I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more, or the sequel was better than the original, or the sequel blew it up more than the original. Because Terminator 1 was awesome, everybody loved it, but it was kind of a cult classic. Terminator 2 was lower budget, I think.

Starting point is 00:40:02 Yeah, you know. Yeah, but the storyline in in two minutes to was in the right yeah it was good that one was fucking all is one lineers use like classic Arnold yeah can you think of another series of movies where the sequel was better than uh... star wars the future people say empires strikes back to the future to and you know both good you thought they were better than the first one sure first one was i mean first ones again classic You thought they were better than the first one? Sure. First one was, I mean, first one's again classic. I have to be better than the first is what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:40:28 I don't know if it was better. I don't know if it's a tough one. Well, I don't even know if you could claim, turn the terminator ones. It's never better because the first idea is original, right? It's so original. And if a matrix blew it. Right, exactly.

Starting point is 00:40:40 So nothing's ever better the second time, but I think even if a sequel does good or is even comparable I think it you would consider it really because that rarely happens either like normally two three four on is godfather Two was good godfather part two was fucking amazing. I thought at least that's the one where they go to Sicily in the show That's the horse head one. I see indian and Jones. I liked I liked actually the last crusade So that's the third one though. It's not the second one. Yeah, the temple doom. Second one wasn't good It wasn't as good. But the last crusade, I thought was better even then.

Starting point is 00:41:08 Hey, speaking of good shows. Last night I watched, my buddy kept telling me to watch this. On Amazon Prime, it's called Deer Zachary. Did you guys see this? I saw, I've seen a commercial for it. Watch it, I know you'll like it. Okay. Yeah, what's it about?

Starting point is 00:41:24 It's a, I don't want to ruin it. Like I just want you to watch it. Yeah. What's it about? I don't want to ruin it. Like I just want you to watch it. It's actually a real story. I didn't know. I don't know anything about it. So watch it. I know you'll enjoy it. It'll be give us good discussion afterwards, dude.

Starting point is 00:41:35 It's kind of a heavy show, though. It's heavy. It's a heavy movie. It doesn't give us a lot. Yeah. This Netflix show, was it called like dark tourism or dark tourists?

Starting point is 00:41:47 Have you guys seen it? Oh, dude, it's really fascinating. Like this guy goes, he shows this whole world of people that they go on these different vacations that are just all the macabre side of things. So he goes down and does like day of the dead and like goes through like two days more days and he does Like what he speaks about is he's in the

Starting point is 00:42:11 Almost I was that easy Yeah, but um what else do you oh he they're narcos? They have like they have like tourism for narcos So like basically you go to Columbia and then you like retrace all the stuff they bring up in the show. And they show the guy that... Extreme travel, the guy. His main guy, the hitman for what's his name again, Pablo Escobar. He's in this documentary and it's fucked up because he's retracing how he kills people with a blank gun.

Starting point is 00:42:44 On the turrets gun for the tourists? Yeah. So you're traveling with the murderer. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, so I sleep. Yeah. So this is how I do it. And he's like, shooting his gun off.

Starting point is 00:42:54 And like, they're, they're like, reenacting, like, certain things, like, like, all the other stuff. What the fuck's wrong with people? Yeah. Yeah. Why are we doing this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why are we doing this? Yeah. Why are we doing this? So this guy, this fucking murderer is cool to these people and he's showing them what he's doing and he's making himself feel better about and they're really charming and funny. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's

Starting point is 00:43:14 fucked up. It's like, what is wrong? And this guy has all this like conflicted thoughts around it too. The guy that's like the narrator of the show. And he also does one where he's like, he's trying to, How do they get that approved? I don't know. Who are they gonna approve of? They're making all this money out of it. I don't think it is approved. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Who do you set that to? I don't know, dude. You feel out of form? Yeah. I mean, hold on honey, I know our business I gotta feel tripped with the murderer. I wanna do. Dude, they even reenact like,

Starting point is 00:43:44 I feel. Murder crossing. So like, you know, they even reenact like, I feel it. Murder crossing. So like, you know, what do they call them wolves or? Oh yeah. So they smuggle people. Like, so they, like, reenact this day of like fake, you know, people come in and like hold them at gunpoint and all this stuff and then they're like,

Starting point is 00:43:56 trying to go through it. So they, they can like experience what, you know, these people go through. You know why, you know why this is happening? I know exactly why it's happening. Same reason why there's obstacle course racing. It's life is too easy and fucking boring. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:08 People need to feel excitement but needs to be just controlled enough so they don't actually get the gun pointed. Yeah. It's like it's almost like it. It's almost like, it's humanored. Humanity needs to like a mass pruning every once in a while. And I'm like a mass something

Starting point is 00:44:21 because I feel like people are getting antsy. Yeah. I mean, everything's too easy and too good. So like, honey, what are we gonna do? I'm fucking bored. You wanna go to Hawaii? No, that's stupid. You wanna do another orgy?

Starting point is 00:44:30 Now, we did four of them already. What do you wanna do drugs? Now I'm bored of drugs. Oh, I know. Let's go do this fucking fall around a serial killer. Yeah, let's go sneak into America. Let's pretend like we're legal sneaking into America with a wolf and then, you know, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:44:42 You know what's interesting about that is I, I speculated that because of that, that we would see UFC continue to rise and explode because it's like the closest thing to like, you know, gladiators. Yeah, the gladiator times, right? And that people are thirsty for that. But I think UFC is struggling right now.

Starting point is 00:44:59 It is. That's so that's kind of crazy, right? Almost so frititas left, right? Yes, that's what's happened, right? Ever since's the Fritidus left, right? Yes, that's what's happened, right? Ever since they left, it's been kind of on this downward spiral, man. Well, they lose a couple of times now they've had some like money makers, right? Like Ronda Rousey was a huge money maker. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:20 And she turned out to be a dud, right? Well, and John Jones. My brother's's fucking up. John Jones keeps fucking up. McGregor has made his money. Like, it's hard to get him back in to fight. So I think that's a couple. So he's training right now for one.

Starting point is 00:45:33 For who? They haven't announced it, but he's posting like he's training to get back. You have she or boxing. Like what's, do you know? What do you mean, which one's better? Which one like McGregor's training for oh Which everyone's gonna pay him more. I'm sure. Yeah, that's probably UFC. I'm assuming. I'm sure he's done with boxing

Starting point is 00:45:51 Yeah, so I feel like the three of us should draft a Another staff member that you're underling. Yeah, that you're right now you're changing the rules I well it doesn't have to this this isn't the form, the contest. It should be like, K-Listen, we got these other employees, they're coming to all of us for advice. Right. We should each take kind of one under our wing

Starting point is 00:46:15 and say, okay, I'm gonna help him or her out. Like, he's in, him or her is gonna be my other. I wanna help him all, I've been trying to. Well, of course, I know. Yeah, but I feel like, I don't have a favorite. My dad would have a favorite. Oh, Enzo had an idea today. There should be two contests. Should be you guys and then us over here in the front office. Don't tell them.

Starting point is 00:46:36 Maybe we should, but don't tell them. Yeah. We'll pick the winners and then we pick the winner of them. We'll give them a prize. Well, I kind of already just even though we made it. You told them. Well, we'll give them a prize. Well, I kind of already just, even though we made it. Did it told them? Well, he listens to show too, by the way. I know, actually, Sanzo's like, they want to actually listen.

Starting point is 00:46:50 Yeah, so. Yeah, because Rachel doesn't really, Rachel doesn't listen, Taylor doesn't really listen, Drew sporadically, does he? Very sporadically listens. Make, you know, I get to listen, I tell him that I said his name.

Starting point is 00:47:04 Of course. Of course. I told him. Hey, we talked about you. Hey, I talked him that I said his name. Of course. Of course. Hey, we talked about you. Yeah, I talked about you in the behind you with Enzo. And then he's like, which one would you mention me? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:12 Enzo's a good boy. Yeah. You know, I took him all to logic and it was quite interesting, man. The concert was definitely a lot younger crowd than I anticipated. Oh yeah. You didn't hold buddy. Yeah. I felt it all. They played street fighter. I could not believe they kept a 20,000 audience captivated watching video games. This is crazy. 15 years ago, this would never fly.

Starting point is 00:47:40 No, I'm going to throw it in the middle of the throwback. Well, could you imagine if you were like some Metallica concert then also they're like right in the middle of set. Hang on. My boy was talking shit about beating me as street fighter throws it up on the screen and then they play it be worse it was like zilda. You know, if you're playing forever. Now, you got to you got to think of this though. Like there's some brilliance there on his part to think to think creatively to incorporate that into the show, right? Like, I mean, we are in a time now where there's kids that are making millions of dollars

Starting point is 00:48:11 playing video games online and other kids just watching. Did your games make more money than movies? Yeah. Right. So to incorporate it into your set, kind of smart. I thought that was pretty smart. I thought it was silly, but pretty clever. This quaz brought to you by Organify. Brilliant. I thought it was silly but pretty clever. by going to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com.

Starting point is 00:48:45 And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. BELL RINGS First question is from Brian Dominick. How do you stop a reverse balding? Is it possible? Do things like Rogaine work? Did you pick this question you fucking cocks mucker? Oh, this is... this is a question.

Starting point is 00:49:06 People need help, man. Often, the perks of getting to the studio first as you get to pick the questions that we're real pattern-bollying, it's a thing. No, you know what? This is a question I've seen at least a dozen times over the last year or two that pops up in our, and our questions is something that people want to know.

Starting point is 00:49:25 It's like, I mean, here's a deal with balding. A largely genetic, very, very large a genetic, but there are some things that you can do that seem to help at least slow the process down. Now, I want to ask you Adam, because you have experienced with this, but also because you've been using the juice, the juice light, right? Have you noticed anything from that?

Starting point is 00:49:48 So, okay, so that's the infrared, right? Right on the, right on the, around the noggin. Right, right. So, I'm gonna lie it on the dome. You said you dick. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Yeah. Well, let's first back up and talk about, so balding does run in my family.

Starting point is 00:50:03 Although I never, I had a thick head of hair for quite some time. I didn't notice it accelerate until I mess with testosterone, until I mess with steroids. So, once I mess with steroids, especially my first time ever messing with masteron. And at that time, I did. Masteron is a D-A, it's a DHT derivative-based steroid, right? It's an awesome metal band. It's well, it's a DHT derivative-based steroid, right? It's an awesome metal band.

Starting point is 00:50:25 It's known for making your muscles feel hard and it's endrogenic and it's supposed to make you give you a strong libido and bodybuilders use it pre-contest to give their muscles a hard look or whatever, but it has a very strong affinity for the receptors in the scalp and in the prostate. So if you have a tendency for prostate enlargement, probably one of the worst ones you can take. Wow. So devil, I am here right there.

Starting point is 00:50:48 Yeah, so what happened when you start taking it, just see the hair, just start to... Well, I remember, I remember, like it was the first day it ever happened to me, because it was the scariest thing ever, it was shampooing, washing your hair. And then, you know, that's how I think that's how every man that starts to go bald or starts thinning, the way he noticed is, because there was a day when he wasn't thinning, and then all of a sudden a day where it began happening or you began noticing at least.

Starting point is 00:51:11 And the day I noticed it was, I remember shampooing in the shower, and I bring my hands down and I looked down and there's like, hair in my hand, not a lot, you know, but some, more than there ever was before, and I remember going like, oh, like freaking out instantly. Right.

Starting point is 00:51:27 So I go to your girlfriend, am I losing it right here? Oh, man. So after that, and that was all after the first time I'd ever mess with testosterone, I noticed a little bit of it thinning. But then it kind of like,

Starting point is 00:51:39 as soon as I came off the testosterone, I noticed that it slowed down. And I actually felt like it kind of came back a little bit. So while I was on testosterone, I started noticing it losing it. So this is way back in my mid-early 20s, like when I was messing with testosterone. And I noticed it was thinning,

Starting point is 00:51:58 and then when I would come off a cycle, I would notice that it would thicken back up a little bit. So it would go down a little bit, and then come back, would it come little bit and then come back would it come back all the way or to be worse off Then it wasn't beginning. Yeah, it was a little worse off than it was at the beginning so each time was Successively. Yes, so each time it was a little bit more a little bit more and then I I fucked around with What's the one that starts with a B? Fuck what's the famous it's a famous hair shampoo, it's Bosley.

Starting point is 00:52:26 Bosley, thank you. So I did the whole Bosley thing, right? And that's like a $800 bill of shampoo. And is that, is that have Mendoxidil in it? Yeah, that's okay. Okay, so that's, which by the way, I told you guys how that started, right? Mendoxidil was a, it was a drug that they were researching researching for, for heart, for blood pressure. And one of the side effects was hair growth.

Starting point is 00:52:52 And so that, of course, they're like, well, there's way more money in this. Hair growth. But like where did it grow? Yeah. Oh, no. Well, it'll grow anywhere I think you put it on your body. So I, so I did this. And it's like a three bottlebottle process and it's such a it was such a headache, right? And it was expensive and

Starting point is 00:53:09 After a few weeks what I noticed was it gave me like this peach fuzz and it did make my hair look thicker because What it did grew back these little stumbles? Hmm, and and I remember the and I you could totally feel it because I'd be like washing my hair and I'm like, oh shit I have like these little Stubbles now that I can feel all over the place in my because I'd be like washing my hair and I'm like, oh shit, I have like these little stumbles now that I can feel all over the place in my hair. And then I'd look in the mirror and I'm like, oh, it does look thicker because of that. And so that got me excited, like, oh, this shit's really

Starting point is 00:53:35 working. And so I stuck with it like for a couple more months. And then I noticed that the stumbles never grew anymore than like these little stumbles. They just were, they just never grew into full length. Like a five o'clock shadow. Yes, it was like a five o'clock shadow on my, on my baldings. But what happened when you stopped taking it though? So that's where I got pissed.

Starting point is 00:53:52 Yeah. So then I was just like, okay, I didn't feel like it made that much of a difference. It's, it was really expensive. I don't remember the exact price. I know I said $800, it was, it was expensive. It wasn't cheap. And I remember being like, man, just, just for a little bit better, like I'm not that insecure about it. I said $800, it was expensive, it wasn't cheap. And I remember being like, man,

Starting point is 00:54:05 just for a little bit better, like I'm not that insecure about it. I know we laugh about it and joke about it, but I really don't give that much a shit about it, right? So I'm like, whatever. Okay, I'd rather just be thinning and then not have to deal with it. So I stopped taking it.

Starting point is 00:54:16 Then when I stopped taking it, like the hair, then it got worse. And I was like, oh, this motherfucker, like now it felt like I was losing it again. Yeah, because I did some research on monoxidil and it was originally developed for vasodilation and that's kind of what it does. That's how they think it works on the scalp.

Starting point is 00:54:34 Is it increases blood flow and supposedly helps grow hair? I think there's a different mechanism that they're not identifying yet. But what it does is it'll grow back some hair but it'll also stop the hair loss or at least dramatically slow down the hair loss. What happens when you stop using it is you catch up to where you would have been had you never used it.

Starting point is 00:54:56 If you would have lost X amount of hair up until this point, but you've stopped that from happening because you were using Monoxidil, and then you stop using Monoxidil, it catches up real fast, right? And then you get this contrast, and that's what happened. That's exactly what I felt. And that was really the,

Starting point is 00:55:12 because before, you know, all this me talking about thinning, like I didn't know one really noticed. Like I noticed, because I'd see little pieces of hair and stuff like that, but I was still had a pretty full head of hair, even when back in my mid-20s, when it was starting to go, like it wasn't bad, I write a, like, because I was known for having a thick head of hair. Even when back in my mid-20s, when it was starting to go, like it wasn't bad, I write a what,

Starting point is 00:55:27 because I was known for having a thick head of hair. And I noticed it, just because I'd run my hands from my hair, and it did, it started to feel thin. Even though I didn't look it for the average person, I knew it was starting to go that direction. So this was me trying to combat that, and it did, it totally backfired on me.

Starting point is 00:55:40 And then I went through this little phase for about six months to a year, where it felt like it accelerated it, and then it kind of went to a halt and Then after that That was then after that I was now in my like late 20s This is me again now. I'm like prescribed I get prescribed testosterone. I believe when I was 29 So then when I was taking that I actually when I was taking a very therapeutic dose

Starting point is 00:56:01 I actually felt pretty good. I felt like I actually grew a little bit of my hair back I thought that was pretty cool. So, I don't think the normal amounts are gonna make you lose more than you normally would. Yeah, so when I was, when you go to hire a man. Yeah, so when I was on a therapeutic dose, I actually felt like it was kind of holding my hair there. I didn't feel like it was growing it back,

Starting point is 00:56:18 but I didn't feel like I was losing anymore. Where before, it felt like I was just getting a little thinner every single year, where this, being back on the therapeutic dose, it felt like, okay, this is at least so much of those hair transplant. 10,000, right? Is it 10? Yeah, I looked at it.

Starting point is 00:56:33 How proven is it? Like, really? Little little little little. No, it works. They take it from like the bottom of the bottom part of your neck right here and then they transplant it wherever it's at. And they do a pretty good job now. Back in the day you could tell when people do it

Starting point is 00:56:45 because it looked like plugs. You could see, my hairstyle always tells me, like if she goes, if it ever really bothers you, you should go do it. You should go do it. She goes, you have a good, you have the fact that I have black hair, it's just a really small spot in the back.

Starting point is 00:56:57 She's like, you would never know with you. No, it doesn't. But I don't care enough. Can it fall out? Can you lose that also? I don't know, I didn't ask that. I would mean, like, what if somebody you got a hair transplant? I think like, surgically put it in there. I don't think it's Can it fall out? Can you lose that also? I don't know, I didn't ask that. I mean, what if somebody you got a hair transplant? I think they like surgically put it in there.

Starting point is 00:57:07 I don't think it's, well, I know that, but could you go back on gear or whatever and call it to fall out again? Oh, that's a good question. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that question. But, so, so then I'm on therapeutic dose, then I get into competing,

Starting point is 00:57:20 then I start hitting higher doses. I notice it again, starting to thin, I back, back down after competing is over, you know, this is just a couple of years ago now on the podcast. I've pretty much kind of stayed the same. And when I got off completely, I did when, especially during this hormone time, I started to notice it started thinning in again. Now, this is when I started to incorporate the, the, the juice. And the juice, I kind of feel like the juve did to to my scalp, the same thing that like the Bosie did only without the chemicals on my head. So and I and it's easier for me to do because I've been doing it for my psoriasis anyways. It's actually good for

Starting point is 00:57:55 you. Right. And it's good. It's because it's healthy for me. I feel better about doing like the bot. And it's not obviously after you've made the purchase of the juve or we like, all right, we have the infrared inside of our sauna too. that to me has been way, way better. Yeah, because they make combs. They make combs with infrared light. I don't know the quality of them, but they've shown in studies that that infrared treatment does slow down stop and in some people reverse hair loss, which it's a non-chemical intervention. Well, that's what I deal.

Starting point is 00:58:24 That's what I like. So it's always, another thing that always freaked me out about Bosic, because you know, somebody might be wondering, well, if it slowed us down, stopped it, why wouldn't you just keep going forever? Is I just never felt good about the chemicals on my head forever. Like, I just was uncertain about that. I didn't, I didn't think that was a good idea.

Starting point is 00:58:39 I'm, I'm with you on that, you know. I'm with you on that. Like, is it a good thing? And there are some cases where people lose more hair, by the way. I want to make sure to say that. Some people use monoxidol and actually lose more hair than they did initially. So it's not like this guaranteed thing, but it is. It's a chemical you're putting on your head.

Starting point is 00:58:53 Look, there's other drugs you can use too. Like, finasteride or dutasteride. These are drugs you can take that prevent the conversion of testosterone to DHT. DHT is a form of testosterone that is very androgenic. So when you look at Hormone, when you look at anabolic hormones or testosterone, you know, type hormones or steroids, they have anabolic properties which are the muscle-building properties and then they have androgenic properties which are the masculineizing properties. That's what makes you a man.

Starting point is 00:59:25 So if I gave steroids to a woman, she'd build muscle, but then she would also masculineize because it's got androgenic properties. And what does masculineization mean? Well, growing hair on your face, your chest, deepening of your voice, oilier skin, more aggression, that kind of stuff, right? And even hair loss and prostate enlargement.

Starting point is 00:59:44 So what some of these drugs do is they prevent the conversion of testosterone to DHT so that you don't get these androgenic effects that can cause hair loss or prostate enlargement. But the problem with that is, you also, many times people use these things and the libido will go to shit because they lose that DHT, which tends to give people that feeling, or they'll feel depressed. And it's again, it's another drug. It's another chemical invention. Again, the the juve light is supposed to enhance that also. So I'm like, for me, it's been, it's been awesome. Like the, like, by no means am I trying to sell it, like we, it grew my hair back or I have these crazy testosterone levels from it, but I feel like it's mitigated it, like the,

Starting point is 01:00:23 the loss of my hair, like it's definitely slowed the process down or at least stalled it for me. And because I'm doing it for my psoriasis, I'm doing it for my testosterone levels, it's like why not just fucking do it for, so I just dip my head down while I'm sitting in front of the juve light. Here's another thing you can do that's natural. Sal Paul Meadow, I know you've been telling me that for a long time and I still have yet to do that. It's an Earth. Just drive cell it?

Starting point is 01:00:45 Thrive market, I pretty sure will sell. I don't think, I don't know if they sell the shampoo of salt plumetto, but I'm pretty sure that they'll sell salt plumetto in capsule form that you can take. Oh, okay. So what salt plumetto does is salt plumetto blocks, or partially blocks the DHT receptors.

Starting point is 01:01:04 Now here's a deal, it's primarily genetic in terms of how many of these receptors you have in your scalp and in your prostate. So that's why some guys like Jake Cutler, who's Mr. Olympia, right? Jake Cutler has no hair loss whatsoever. For sure, that guy was on a shit ton of gear, and I know bodybuilders like that,

Starting point is 01:01:20 where they can take high doses of antibiotics, or man that just they can get to 95 years old and have almost a full head of hair. And then I know guys, we have friends that are fully bald in their mid-20s. A lot of that has to do with how many of these receptors they have in their scalp. So you probably have a lot of DHT receptors in your scalp and that's why you end up losing hair. I know personally I have a lot, probably in my prostate, runs in my family, prostate enlargement's a big problem in my family.

Starting point is 01:01:48 So what I do is I use sawpulmetto shampoo. Now the idea with the shampoo is you wash your hair with it, you leave the shampoo on for like a minute or two, so you can wash the rest of your body. That helps block the receptors in the scalp so that your DHT doesn't cause hair loss. Now, I've been using salt, palm, eto shampoo for about, I wanna say maybe seven years.

Starting point is 01:02:13 Now, I for sure should be way more bald than I am now. I've got relatively full head of hair. You can see a little bit of thinning the back, but you can't really tell. I for sure should be like my brother who's younger than me, and he's already lost more hair than me All the men in my family have hair loss and I think that the salt polo meadow shampoo made a big difference and it's natural Now Doug just pulled up the thrive and they do have the they have salt polo

Starting point is 01:02:36 Yeah in Supplement form now what's your thought on that by me taking it through a pill versus actually putting on the scalp? You know here's the thing. It's, I use the shampoo so I could direct it to my scalp. If you take it by pill form, you're going to get that systemically, I think, more. And it won't hurt. Give it a shot. There's some Italian studies that show that solplumetto supplementation does help a lot

Starting point is 01:03:00 with- Now would it hurt me at all to be, have the pills and then also have the shampoo. I mean, is that gonna be- I would go with the try both, and then you can always cut one out and see what happens. Yeah, and see how that works. I have to get that too.

Starting point is 01:03:12 Yeah, I always thought Sal Palmetto was like, you know, Vida, as soon, you know? No, it was like it. Her body knows. Yeah, I wonder if that's like a shampoo, like fancy. No, no, it's not an actually- It's an inner guy. It's one of the herbs that actually

Starting point is 01:03:26 got some really good applications, but that's pretty much it. I'd say sunlight therapy or infrared therapy, salt, palm, meadow, of course, madoxidil seems to work. Then you can go the prescription route, finaster, I do tasterite, although I don't recommend those

Starting point is 01:03:41 because the side effects on those can be really nasty. I know that's kind of where after a while, I was like, it's just not worth it for me to take a bunch of other chemicals to just not let my hair loss. Like at that point, I'm like, I'm not that attached to it.

Starting point is 01:03:55 I would like to have a full head of hair. It's a bit of a tall. Yeah, but it's easy to do. Do you lose it? Is it even or is it just in the back? Stay tall, man. Cause I never see your head. You always have a hat on. Yeah, it just in the back? Stay tall, man. Because I never see your head. You always have a head on.

Starting point is 01:04:06 Yeah, it's just the back is, is it the word stand? Well, you know, I noticed, I noticed a front too, like, I mean, not when you spray paint it, I think that it. Yeah! That's my favorite. No, you can't, like, literally, it looks good. That's the best thing right there. Is that? I want to get sponsored by that guy. I don't good. That's the best thing right there. Is that what you're saying?

Starting point is 01:04:25 I want to get sponsored by that guy. I don't remember the name of the company that does that. You can't even tell, dude. Unless you're like really high up in there. It's crazy. It's crazy, like little, like, where are you sweating? Yeah, it's like a little bit. No, it's just hands down the best thing for somebody who,

Starting point is 01:04:40 well, you have to be at the same place I am. Like, if you have, like, if that's some hair, yeah, you have a little bit of hair, right? And you don't have that much because I have a buddy who's like, his bald spot is more than a softball, and it works on his head. Like if you,

Starting point is 01:04:56 no hair on it, he's crazy on it. Just little bits, like real, and it works really, really well. So like for photos, like he did for his wedding, and she just washes out or what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, washes right out. So what happens if you've got that on your head and you sweat?

Starting point is 01:05:07 No, you're over someone's house and you like put your head back on the couch because you're gonna show up on the couch and shit? Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, it would make a mess. Like it doesn't like, I mean it adheres to the hair follicles that are on there. Is that what it is? Yeah, but you could definitely,

Starting point is 01:05:24 like if I had like a white shirt on and I rubbed it, you would see like this kind of like charcoly looked to it. But it's not, it's crazy. Like you could be stinging right next to somebody and you can't tell, like you cannot tell. No, you can't. No, surprise, just a close up. Like he's got that.

Starting point is 01:05:43 It's for all the fat jokes Bringing them back a little salty when like low carbs, you know Yes, that's that's the brand topic. Yeah topic. Yeah, we're not even sponsored by them Yeah, no, but we should be though. Well, that was the idea Justin was it gets sponsored For real wrote to me like now we're that we'll see me will put it out there I mean, I haven't used it in a long time, but I do keep it in my, I do have it in my, uh, their fibers, building fibers, I have them, I have it in my bathroom for the times that we do go do like, like I have used it for a wedding. There's been a wedding that I've used it at recently in the last year or so, but I haven't

Starting point is 01:06:18 used it in a long time, but I do fuck, I was so, I remember my buddy first sent it over to me who was like, who's really bald. And he showed us this, like he literally showed us the way he did. but I haven't used it in a long time. But I do fuck, I remember my buddy first sent it over to me who was really bald. And he showed us this, like he literally showed the video of him doing it. And it was like watching David Blaine. Just make money turn into, or make coffee turn into money.

Starting point is 01:06:38 It was like the same thing. It's like, whoa dude, what the fuck? And then I thought, well, that's because it's on his iPhone. It's kind of blurry or what without wait till I see him in person I mean I could be standing three inches from his back of his head and not tell so it fucking it definitely for I Recommend it if you're somebody who's like, you know thinning hair and you're fucking I what I would never do is this like I would never if I was a single guy I wouldn't rock this stuff and go on in dates and like pretend like I prize the girls Yeah, like you know why they do that shit to us all the time.

Starting point is 01:07:06 Like true. Yeah, but I'm not a fan of that. Hair extensions, they fucking, they're gaspings. You know everything's tucked in like a sausage. If you're doing like a photo shoot or you're doing something like that where you're on camera or shooting a video or you're on a wedding day, I could see doing that for photos. Wow, the guy's name is even Adam in the commercial. It's just slide to see that.

Starting point is 01:07:26 It's transformation. That's pretty good. Yeah, but look at that sales thing that guy is. I mean, I'm telling you, it works that good. It's not, I mean, and here, what is it? What is it, 20 bucks, Doug, or something like that? It's so cheap. Yeah, 30 bucks, come on.

Starting point is 01:07:42 And you get a little pull. We're selling it, it waits you hard. Yeah, bucks, that's a lie. Next question, please. Next question is from antlers. What is your stance on fat burners when used with a proper diet and frequent exercise during a cut? Do you think they can be helpful, harmful, or useless?

Starting point is 01:07:59 So, this question had to do more with like a fedra and you know, those that you're hymnymbe and those types of fatburners. You know, here's the thing with those things. Studies will show that they do accelerate fat mobilization and fat loss, but when you use them in the real world, the only benefit I could ever see is short term, and I can, the only way I could see it benefiting is appetite suppression.

Starting point is 01:08:24 Other than that, especially if you're natural, here's what I notice, as a guy who lifts weights naturally, when I've taken things like a Fedra or you'll him be to help me with fat loss, yes, I do notice that my appetite suppress, but I also feel like my cortisol's through the roof, and whatever way that I lose, it ends up being kind of muscle and fat.

Starting point is 01:08:42 It's not like I just lose body fat. I don't notice, it's like I feel worse as a result. No one can go off of them and just end up feeling shitty. You guys feel the same way? No, it's exactly how I feel. I think for the average person like you said, maybe in a controlled study where everything is perfect, like the perfect environment,

Starting point is 01:08:58 then I could totally get it. But I think for the most part, it's too hard to tell like if it's really doing much help. The things that I, if I use anything like that to accelerate fat loss or to help me, it's because I'm in a calorie deficit and I find that I don't have the energy to go to the train. It's the caffeine.

Starting point is 01:09:19 So caffeine is using a stimulant. So for me, like, if I'm messing with anything like that at all, like that's the only thing I'm messing with anything like that at all, that's the only thing I'm using because, you know, because that's normal. If I'm in a four or five day calorie restriction, by day four or five, sometimes it's hard to get up and get after that workout. And so caffeine for me doesn't have fenders overwhelming. You know, it's just, it's too much to wear like caffeine. Yeah, caffeine at least it helps, it helps you keep kind of going through

Starting point is 01:09:46 when you are in a deficit and you feel like you just don't quite have as much energy. I mean, that's the benefit to it. Like, I mean, haven't even found like most things that they attribute towards the stuff that's actually working in these compounds. It's just like caffeine every time. Well, if they did a controlled study

Starting point is 01:10:05 where they controlled for calories and activity, I bet you they'd find no benefit. Because I think the fat loss, because people do experience weight loss when they go on strong fat burners. But I don't think it's the compound that's burning more body fat. It's because you're moving more

Starting point is 01:10:21 because you're hyper. That's right. And you're not eating as much. Right. And then also the two. So here's what I would recommend to anybody It's because you're moving more because you're hyper. That's right. And you're not eating as much. Right. And then also, too. So here's what I would recommend to anybody who's either using one or considered using one,

Starting point is 01:10:31 is to run a six weeks of trying to reduce body fat with and without it and compare the two. Because what I ends up happening, and this is where I see supplements work the most. This is, in my opinion, right, is when people go and this is how I used to think as a teenager in my early 20s, is I just spent $200 something dollars on supplements this month.

Starting point is 01:10:53 Like, it makes me the rest of everything else consistent because I'm taking it. This is the motivator. Right, it's a motivator for me to be better because I'm like, oh, I'm taking this supplement. I want it to work, I want to see results. And so I also should follow my diet. And I should also train hard.

Starting point is 01:11:06 Something you're doing in the process. Whereas a lot of times people, they need something. Like they need this ritual, this process. They can't like drum that up in the workout themselves. So for a lot of times that kind of helps them mentally. I have this substance. And now I'm doing it. like it's the catalyst to this. No, I remember when we first started MindPomp, like this is kind of like the stance that I

Starting point is 01:11:32 took on especially when I was in competing because I did have a lot of ritualistic type of supplements and shakes and things that I did during that time and it really was for that exact reason. So for the majority though, I tell people like, okay, if you have the money to just throw, like if you got that kind of money where you can just say, Hey, I've spent two, three hundred dollars a month and it helps me be consistent. And I'm taking something that may help a little bit. Then by all means, like if, but if I wish someone would have told me when I was, you know, 19 years old,

Starting point is 01:12:01 trying to build muscle, you know, and only making $7 an hour, and told me that I didn't need to spend $150 to $200 on supplements a month, and it wasn't really doing much of anything. In fact, I should probably use that and put it somewhere else, maybe going to get quality food, or be consistent with something like that versus taking all these pills.

Starting point is 01:12:19 But I mean, if you're a grown-ass man or woman, you got a great-paying job, you can afford to throw money at these different supplements and they're proven to be safe and they're healthy or they're an herb or whatever. It's like, well, okay, you know? Well, that's the thing with these fat burners. They're not, of all the supplements you can buy online,

Starting point is 01:12:36 they're the least safe of all of them. Literally, well, can we list off like, what's hot right now? The old school ones, like, are always list off the ones from 24 hour fitness It the lipotropics and the pirate well still it's still the same ship. It's still it's still caffeine and versions of caffeine Theo bro mean which is a chemical from Chocolate that is similar to caffeine you have siniferin you have which is from bitter orange extract

Starting point is 01:13:01 You have a fedra or ma huang, which is the, not my wing, Mahuong, which is the Chinese herb. Of course, caffeine, they'll throw in white willow bark or aspirin into that mix to prolong the length of how active they are in the body. Yo-himbi is another one. All of these are central nervous system stimulants. All of them help in the sense that they may make you

Starting point is 01:13:26 lose your appetite and they may hype you up. But here's the thing, your body adapts pretty damn quickly. Yeah. If I gave somebody a Fedra and caffeine on a daily basis by day four or five, that same dose would start to lose its effect and by week, we didn't want to have a week two, you wouldn't really feel much. And then what would happen is you would start to lose its effect. And by a week, one and a half, or week two, you wouldn't really feel much and then what would happen is you would need

Starting point is 01:13:48 to take it to feel normal. Because what happens with your body is, your body has a baseline. So imagine this baseline energy level that your body has. And it tries to maintain that baseline. And what really truly affects your baseline energy level are the important things, activity, diet, and sleep, or the three biggest things.

Starting point is 01:14:08 And that'll affect your baseline, that's the main one. And that's pretty much it. Now I can hack that by taking chemicals and compounds and herbs that hack that system and push my baseline up, but my body will aim to bring that baseline back down to normal. And the way it figures out to do this is, if I'm still taking these substances, my body will then just lower my baseline down the regulating.

Starting point is 01:14:33 It'll bring my baseline down to where it, to below where it normally is. So now when I'm taking these substances, I'm back at my normal baseline. Now, that's going to be a shitty situation when you stop taking those supplements. When I stop taking the affedra four weeks later or three weeks later, now my baseline is lower than the average. Try to jump up the energy. Yeah, that's why people have... Look, if you've ever tried to quit drinking coffee or caffeine and you know how shitty it feels for a good three to seven days, multiply that times five and that's what it feels like a good three to seven days. Multiply that times five, and that's what it feels like when you go off of other fat burners.

Starting point is 01:15:08 Cause caffeine will withdraw sucks. Don't get me wrong. Going off caffeine, you feel lethargic, tired, you might get migraines, you might feel depressed, even. Go off of Fedra and you'll feel even worse. It's a shitty feeling. I had a friend who lost

Starting point is 01:15:25 sixty pounds taking the uh... if fedra caffeine aspirin stack which is the old school easy a stack from back in the day uh... he lost sixty pounds he was taking it like crazy three times a day killed his appetite was it any much working out like crazy went off those pills so he lost all that weight in i don't know how many months went off all of them because he was getting heart palpitations and stuff, which some of the other side effects from these fat burners are pretty bad.

Starting point is 01:15:50 Gained all the fucking way back, and I had a slower metabolism now to boot. So these aren't things that I, you know, they're not answers to really anything. I think if Fedra can be fun to take sometimes, that's pretty much it. Like if every once in a while, you take it once, every other week,

Starting point is 01:16:06 because you want to get hyped up for a workout. And you're not going out for a few days. Yeah, or whatever. Look at Doug, just pulled up. This is the top, the top five fat burners. I think this is a big ad. I don't think this is a real list. Oh no, yes it is.

Starting point is 01:16:18 It's not just by that company. Well, it says buy now. Look at all the rest of them. Scroll down more. Yeah, I don't know. Here's a deal. I mean, there's all four different companies right there. Look at the ingredients of the fat burners.

Starting point is 01:16:30 And I guarantee it's a combination of the ones that I kind of mentioned. Well, nothing new. Nothing has come out that is, nothing's ever come out to be like this. Even Claim butyroll, which is an illegal substance that bodybuilders, physique competitors, and bikini competitors will use,

Starting point is 01:16:45 even clean butyroll is only really effective for about a week or two. And then after that, the body adapts, and then it stops working. And on top of it, here's the other thing I want people to keep in mind. The biggest proponents of fat burners are people on anabolic steroids.

Starting point is 01:16:59 And the reason being is, here's a deal. When you go on these really powerful central nervous system stimulants, you are stimulating a stress response in the body, which is hallmarked by elevated levels of cortisol and depressed level levels of other antibiotic type hormones. Now, if you're natural, that's terrible. You're going to lose muscle, you're going to feel like shit, and the way you lose is going to be, is not going to be all body fat.

Starting point is 01:17:24 But if you're on antibiotic steroids, you can get away with shit and the way you lose is not gonna be all body fat. But if you're on anabolic steroids, you can get away with taking something that puts you in a state of stress. This is the same reason why guys on lots of gear can get away with not sleeping that much or taking all these stimulants or whatever. Because they've got these high levels of testosterone all the time, whereas the average natural person,

Starting point is 01:17:42 like my testosterone is gonna fluctuate based on what I'm doing. But if I'm injecting myself with testosterone, I can stimulate the fuck out of my central nervous system with all these crazy stimulants. And I'm not worried about elevated cortisol levels, like I would be if I was natural. And that's the thing, like everybody I know

Starting point is 01:17:57 who's natural is ever taken hardcore fat burners, a lot, a lot, a lot. They end up just losing a lot of muscle and then when they go off of them, they gain everything back. So it's the one category of supplements that I'd say, complete waste, almost complete waste, like avoid them completely. It's unfortunate because it's probably one of the top sellers when you look at... Of course.

Starting point is 01:18:16 Yeah, you look at the ones that sell them. And you feel them, that's the thing, you feel them when you take them. If I give you, like if I give you old school zenitrin or old school hydroxyket, which contained a fedra, for sure you're gonna feel that shit. If I give that to you every day for five or six days, for sure you're gonna lose some weight on the scale. So yeah, see, looks indifferent as one of the top ingredients.

Starting point is 01:18:38 But some of the other stuff, Theo Broming, there's the other one that I told you about. Green tea, they got that white willow bark. There's the aspirin. Caffeine, those are exactly the things I told you about green tea. They get the white willow bark. There's the there's the aspirin caffeine This exactly those are exactly the things I told you that they put them They're all a combination or mixture of all those things and sometimes what they'll do is rather than put the Urb name like significant they'll put the molecular

Starting point is 01:18:58 That like the chemical name so it looks like this long complicated like oh, it's this new compound that they discovered You'll science it. Well, no, that's not's caffeine. That's all it is. It's just caffeine Next question is Pravarran As a personal trainer, I spend at least an hour a day with my clients and over time we create a bond Where is the line between it being professional and a real friendship? Is it unprofessional to consider them as friends? This should be sleeping in your bed. Yeah, don't bang them. Yeah. No, that's, that's a, that's a given. That's a wrong move. You know, this is a good question. Marry him if you do. When I first read this, I thought,

Starting point is 01:19:34 it's just to be that. Sorry. He had to. Oh, man. Anywhere for me, that's a no go to right there. And say, no, uh, you don't bang your clients. Are you fucking Marry him? You know, I read the rules. That-go, you're right there. I'm saying, you don't bang your clients, are you a fucking Mary on this, you know? You know, I've read the rules. That's how committed Justin is right there, you know? That's what I'm saying. I'm very professional.

Starting point is 01:19:51 When I read this, I first thought, well, that's not that big of a deal. I always become friends with my clients, and I really thought about it. And I say, okay, how often did I actually go out and hang out with my clients, or go over their houses and have dinners and stuff? Yeah. And remember, keep in mind,

Starting point is 01:20:06 I trained a lot of people for over 10 years consistently. So these are people who we became very close with in our sessions, because I'd see these people two days a week for an hour for 10 years. So we're gonna get very close. And I thought about it, and you know what? I didn't do it that often. I didn't go out at all. I can actually count on one hand how often I would about it, and you know what? I didn't do it that often. I didn't go out at all.

Starting point is 01:20:25 I can actually count on one hand how often I would do that. And it's because I think I instinctually knew, because it makes it weird, like. It blurs it. Yeah, because I'm charging this person $100 an hour and then they become my good friend and then it's kind of weird. I mean, are you about your business?

Starting point is 01:20:41 I mean, if you're about your business, okay? Here's the deal, like, and this is, and this is how I used to teach my clients not to fuck their clients, right? Because that's very, very common, by the way. Like 70% of trainers end up sleeping with their female clients, so it's crazy, crazy, crazy common.

Starting point is 01:20:58 It's crazy, shitty statistic. It is, how many guys or trainers the girlfriends are listening right now? What? Yeah, freaked out right now. Well, it's a true stat telling and prize the same stats. Right, no, it's crazy. And what's funny is that those trainers that do that

Starting point is 01:21:13 are never the top dogs. They're never the best of the best. Maybe you're good, you know, but I guarantee if you didn't sleep but then you'd be better. Oh, the reputation it's gonna carry with you regardless of what you think. Right, and not only just your reputation, but then also the, these clients that, and reputation it's gonna carry with you regardless. Right. Right. And not only just your reputation

Starting point is 01:21:26 But then also the these clients that and I'm talking about sleeping with but it's still it still counts with this crossing the boundary thing Because like you're saying so and it's and it's very similar to the you know once you cross the professional boundary and now we're friends or we're sleeping together Like now the whole money thing changes Where if you can always keep a boundary there, it's funny how many people will continue just to resign with you because of the simple fact that you've kept that boundary there. I'm very, very aware that there was many clients that I train them, I change their bodies, I change their lives, I taught them everything I need to know, but yet they still paid me

Starting point is 01:22:02 years later because deep down they are hoping that more would come of the relationship. And so I think that it would be smart for you not to encourage like you, or trainers to have any relationship outside of the business. Now, maybe you train a client, you guys were really tight, they finished their contract, months go by, you become friends and there's no business going on between the two of you.

Starting point is 01:22:27 Like, who might it tell you who your friends shouldn't should be? For all I know, you could end up meeting your best friend for the rest of your life, you know, and they ended up being a client of yours at one point. That's totally understandable. It's just weird. It becomes a strange, imagine training someone for four years, okay? And then you start hanging out outside of the sessions. Now you guys become friends,

Starting point is 01:22:46 your families get to know each other, you know their kids, you're like becoming good friends. They're, it's gonna be weird asking them for money for package of training. It's gonna feel kind of strange. And look, maybe you do get a really good friend out of it, in which case, it might be worth it. But, you know, for me personally,

Starting point is 01:23:04 like I said, I can count on one hand the amount of the number of clients. Don't try and manage both. Like that's the advice is like, if you find someone you hit it off with they become friends, like by all means become friends, but then don't expect to do business with them. Right.

Starting point is 01:23:17 If they're a real friend, you probably wouldn't do business with them. So don't, and you do get very close with people during your sessions. I mean, like I said, training for people for 10 years, you know, two sessions a week, you get close in the session. That's where you leave it.

Starting point is 01:23:29 And I've just learned to do that because it does. It blurs the lines and there's probably a handful of times where I've actually, because I have kids, and I'm in a different stage in life, and my clients have kids will interact, and we'll go to an event where I know they know they're there we're there we're all hanging out but it's very infrequent and that was the thing that I wanted to just make

Starting point is 01:23:50 sure yeah like they knew me for coming to their house and like training and everything is completely separate with that but I also have actually this late at work with me she was nutritionist and she was training underneath me to become a trainer. And so I offloaded a couple of clients with her and I just immediately saw red flags all over the place because she was way too involved with their personal life and would hang out, would take them to lunch, would do this and turned into this thing where she actually conspired against me, took the clients away from me because thinking that like her scarcity mindset, like,

Starting point is 01:24:30 oh, I need these clients and like we're good buddies now and all this stuff and turn them against me. And inevitably they came back to me a couple months later, you know, like clients, they get uncomfortable with it too, you know. So it's just, just don't cross those lines. Not worth it Our next and final question is from Zine Queens what is your favorite mythical creature in line? I was super sad only got three questions up today, and so Justin had the fourth one Yeah, I'm fucking with you guys my favorite thing. Let's just talk about nonsense. Yeah, mythical creatures.

Starting point is 01:25:05 You know, I have one tattooed on my back. It's the head of Medusa. Medusa's got to be one of my favorites. Yeah, that's a kind of a good one. You know why I like Medusa? One of my favorite movies of all time when I was a kid growing up was Clash of the Titans.

Starting point is 01:25:21 Clash of the Titans. The original one. You remember that one? Yeah. With the little gold owl. Yeah, booble. Clash of the Titans. The original one. Remember that one? Yeah. With the little gold owl. Yeah, booble. Yeah. Booble.

Starting point is 01:25:29 Booble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved that movie and in that movie, what's it perseus had to go cut the head off Medusa to use it to defeat the Kraken, which was this big seam monster that was going to come and destroy the city of Japa. Wow. How do I remember all the ship? This is insane. Am I hitting it right, Justin? You are, yeah. You're like this with that too. So

Starting point is 01:25:52 because like nerds corner. Yeah, it is. So the cracken was gonna come out and it's this big like six-armed monster that was gonna destroy the city and Perseus was gonna save it. So he goes and ask the kill Medusa and Medusa if She looks at you turns you to stone. Yeah. So the way he killed Medusa, as he used this shield as a mirror, because you could look at the reflection. So was this your thought process with your tattoo? Is that just in case you go to prison?

Starting point is 01:26:18 Yeah. Oh, you turned everybody into stone that attacks you from behind. Go hit me from the behind. Go hit me from behind, bro. Or you want a rock hard. One and two. One and two. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:26:30 I don't know. It's one or the other. I feel like Jess, it was holding all this stuff in from the weekend right here. He's like, OK, he's gonna fuck us a bit throw a Juslo card, bro. I get, I get feisty, man. I get feisty. He's angry. He comes, dude.

Starting point is 01:26:42 No, but I like Medusa because it's a cool story. She was, I guess she was somebody that was super into her looks. And I think that God's punished her by making her headiest and giving her snakes for hair. And, but anyway, the reason why it's on my back is the original symbol of Sicily is the, it's called the Trenacria, which is the head of Medusa,

Starting point is 01:27:02 and then three legs coming out each end. And the Medusa was the goddess of Sicily given to us by Greece. So that's why it's one of my favorites. I have some others too, but I'll let you guys go next. Yeah. Of one, Adam. I'm gonna stay in my lane and say that I don't have a fucking answer for this. Because I'm not a fucking nerd.

Starting point is 01:27:18 That's why. Oh my God. I didn't have a mythical creature I've ever even thought about, dude. Dude. You can't name mythical creatures. No, the Leviathan. I don't know what that is. A biblical creature.

Starting point is 01:27:28 Bro, it could be a monster. It doesn't have to be a mythology from Greek mythology. It's, I'm telling you right now, I've never even thought about this for a like, you're like, Merman. For like a, I mean, I trust man, I want to contribute to this nerdy conversation as much as, if you could be any monster, what would you be? A monster? Yeah, if you could be like a fan I fucking monster. Oh God

Starting point is 01:27:51 Play the game. Yeah, I can't play a game that I've never played before dude I've never played let's talk about it's cool creatures Leaving with big foot. Yeah, I mean Justin go tell me what I do you this is your question I know you got a fucking great answer I like to pay and the reason being everybody's on to this unicorns and you know, no dude, like you want a functional creature. You know, I want to get on top of this thing

Starting point is 01:28:13 and fly like the fuck I want. You know, and like gallop on top of buildings. You know what I mean? Like that would be awesome. Do you remember the movie? Do that or dragon? Did you guys ever dragon? Of course, dragon's gotta be.

Starting point is 01:28:24 Right? Dragon, I can ride on Did you guys ever, dragons, of course, dragons? You gotta be fast. Dragon, I can ride on top of a breeze fire, burn villages. You know, actually I changed my answer. Definitely dragon. I'm a dragon guy. Did you guys ever watch the movie, Crow? Did you ever watch that with the, when the guys, they brought that up a long time ago.

Starting point is 01:28:38 So, and in there, they get on these horses that are the fastest horses on earth, and they make fire, they're so fucking fast. And they don't have to run on the ground they like run off the cliff but they keep going. Oh, I leave like a trail of fire. You guys need to watch crawl. Wow. We need to get high out there. Is that where is that where backs of the future got that? You know the entire track. Oh, but oh, okay. Here's the thing. What was the movie that just came out where the kids in the video games great movie ready player one. Yeah. Okay. At the end when they're when

Starting point is 01:29:03 they're trying to break down the big force field and get in and he has Then he the guy pulls out a ninja star one of his friends. That's the ninja star from crawl So you would have known that had you watched the movie, but you can get that piece of culture No, yeah, you get that piece of pop culture. Wow. All right. How about this Adam? Would you know leprechaun King Kong leprechaun? You want to be King Kong? Here. Yeah Why we got a good morning? Why cuz he's fucking bad a gorilla or an ape is already fucking badass just a regular size so a super size fucking so here's some trivia for you Back in that you guys know Godzilla right you guys watch Godzilla film from here. Can love you watch them. Oh, I love Godzilla

Starting point is 01:29:40 Godzilla versus Mothra. Oh, that was a good one Godzilla fights King Kong. And so the Japanese directors made a movie of King Kong versus Godzilla. And it was supposed to be the blockbuster. The epic. Okay, epic, right? There is a little bit of trivia though.

Starting point is 01:29:59 They created two endings. The one that they aired in Japan has Godzilla winning. The one that they aired in America had King Kong winning. I did not know this as a kid. I watched it. King Kong won because King Kong is American. Yeah, because he goes to New York and is like on the Empire State Building and all that. Yeah, because he's an American mythical monster. Godzilla is the Japanese one. So they made two endings. so the audiences would be happy Smart either way smart businessmen. So would you rather be a vampire or a werewolf? How about that? Vampire really yeah, they have more style both you guys more seductive Really you two will do it like you're a werewolf the fuck means long as I'm not the glittery, you know vampire kind

Starting point is 01:30:41 Yeah, I mean yeah, not the not the new one like the lost boys one. Yeah, yeah, that one's pretty cool. I think a werewolf's better, don't you? I mean why Teen Wolf. Yeah, here animals. Teen Wolf was good. He was kind of cool. Yeah, that was kind of cool. Yeah But you get a shit out of like anybody exactly. We're not gonna get Exactly Justin get this is the Salon Justin podcast Justin get this is the Salon Justin podcast I don't like time on Mythical Creature

Starting point is 01:31:05 It's like it makes us so Cushable this is this is not a legacy. I'm living real Yeah, there's not a lot of things that I don't have something to contribute. This is one of them I don't have a lot of things you could have a mythical pair of sneakers Too big check it out. We got a bunch of free guides available for everybody. They cost zero dollars. Nothing free. You say mind pump free dot com also by the way,

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