Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 823- The Best Way to Fix Muscle Imbalances, the Benefit of Eating Unhealthy Foods, the Dark Side of Keto Products & MORE

Episode Date: July 27, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best way to fix muscle imbalances, overriding ap...petite by eating "unhealthy" foods when the goal is gaining weight and adding muscle, if reverse dieting enter the mainstream and the keto community’s use of “keto products” like low carb breads or other keto versions of commonly carb-dense foods. What a nice sharp buzz before you work out??!! Four Sigmatic new Macha Lion’s Mane elixir to fuel your foundational workouts. (5:45) Do you want something with some flavor and no artificial flavors?? LIFEAID drinks FTW. (10:15) Is WeLove2HateAdam coming back??!! The great debate continues will football ever lose popularity over its violence? (11:17) Have the guys ever had to throw anyone out of the gym they didn’t want to physically remove? Police: Naked man arrested at Planet Fitness said he thought it was a "judgement free zone" (18:36) Does the time you eat dinner contribute to cancer risk? A new study looked at the risk of breast and prostate cancer. (25:00) Adam shares updates from Week 1 of the Mind Pump 6 Week Fitness Challenge. (29:55) There are things that can give you advantages or disadvantages? Sal has started his own BPC-157 experiment, Update on Adam’s Achilles progress & MORE. (36:00) #Quah question #1 – What is the best way to fix muscle imbalances? (44:21) #Quah question #2 – What are your feelings of overriding appetite by eating "unhealthy" foods when the goal is gaining weight and adding muscle? (1:01:30) #Quah question #3 – When will we see reverse dieting enter the mainstream? (1:12:09) #Quah question #4 – What are your thoughts on the keto community’s use of “keto products” like low carb breads or other keto versions of commonly carb-dense foods? (1:18:47) People Mentioned: Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@ifbbbenpak)  Instagram Dr. Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: Four Sigmatic **Code “mindpump” for 15% off** LIFEAID Beverage Co. - Text “474747” – “Mindpump” **2 cans for 99 cents! ** Football and CTE: The dilemma for parents Vuori **25% off order** Crazy-Ass Italian Sport Combines Rugby With Bare-Knuckle Fighting Police: Naked man arrested at Planet Fitness said he thought it was a "judgement free zone" Effect of mistimed eating patterns on breast and prostate cancer risk (MCC‐Spain Study) How To Use BPC-157 - Ben Greenfield Fitness Maps Prime Pro Bundle - Mind Pump Scientists Have Discovered The Earliest Evidence of Bread, And It's Much Older Than We Expected Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com.   Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High-Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates.   Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mindpop, we're gonna do it. For the first 40 minutes with your introductory conversation, we start out by talking about four Sigmatic's Lines main matcha, green tea. I love to take on trigger session days. Four Sigmatics Lines Main Matcha, green tea. I love to take on trigger session days.
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Starting point is 00:00:48 Oh yeah, I'm gonna win this one. And Justin mentions how he likes to drink fit aid when he wants something. Tasty. Hey, speaking of fit aid, you guys see the new texting that we have with them. So instead of these people going now, straight to the website,
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Starting point is 00:01:18 Two cans for 99 cents. That's it, two cans of your choice, 99 cents. Then of course, we mentioned Adam Adam stirring up the pot again. This guy's like triple and quadrupling down. Let's see. Football beating soccer at some point. You guys just feed into it when you get all like sensitive about it.
Starting point is 00:01:36 It's beautiful. It's so easy. I'm just gonna tell you that right now. We tell some stories about kicking people out of the gym. I talk about a study on meal timing and cancer. What? Adam goes into his six week contest protocol. The right way.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And then I talk about my experience with BPC 157. And dudes. Oh, what? It does sound like a porn with R2D2. But BPC 157, it was my experience. And then we get into the questions. Sal is the most likely to fuck a robot, wouldn't you think? A robot? Yeah. with R2D2, but BBZ157, it was my experience. And then we get into the questions.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Sal is the most likely to fuck a robot, wouldn't you think? A robot? Yeah, so. Depends on what the robot looks like. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, what is the best way to fix muscle and balances? This is actually cool.
Starting point is 00:02:17 There's only one way. There's only one way. Stay tuned. Great discussion in this part of the episode. The next question was, what are our feelings on using hyper-palatable, quote unquote, unhealthy foods in order to try and gain weight when your appetite just won't let you eat more? The next question was, when do we think we're going to see reverse dieting enter the mainstream,
Starting point is 00:02:39 and do we have any predictions on what supplements are going to come out of the market to try and accompany this? Or will it ever that's right and finally last question what are our thoughts on the keto communities use of keto products like low-carb breads do we think they're good bad or are we neutral or they just try to stop it also also you know it's ending soon when is this coming out duck you know it's ending soon. When is this coming out duck? You know it's ending soon Maps and a ball is 50% off sale deal the year dude I'm it's crazy how many people are I didn't know that didn't have maps in a ball I thought everybody would have it by now, so you have to have it
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Starting point is 00:04:29 at mindpumpmedia.com. I like your mint and chocolate brown combo there. Boom. It's nice. You're like a mint chocolate chip. I'm like 100% Viori today. Are you? Is that a Viori?
Starting point is 00:04:44 See, you found a bunch of cool V-O-E shit that I did not see. Dude, I went crazy. You went deep. Yeah. Now, is that one we were there? That you picked that up, or did you order that again? No, I did it all there, man.
Starting point is 00:04:54 I figured we had that, I don't know. It's all there, so I'm just gonna do it. I don't like shopping all the time. I was like, to do it all at once. Dude, you know what happened to my stuff? So, this is what happens when you, well I do laundry sometimes and I have kids. And so I think sometimes I leave shit in their pockets.
Starting point is 00:05:09 I didn't check. Did the laundry and for whatever reason, like half my clothes have like these, looks like grease spots on my clothes, but luckily Jessica figured out how to get them out, but I was so irritated. Cause I got my like my new fucking fury sweat. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:05:24 I'm like, yeah, there's like a big old grease spot where was it from? I don't know. I have no idea. And it was only on my clothes. It feels like at least something in your pocket, probably. I don't know. When the kids chapstick, or something like that, dude,
Starting point is 00:05:37 I was so mad. It sucks, dude. I was so mad. Forsegmatic green matcha, lion's mane powder. I slightly drinking that this morning. It's Pretty fucking awesome. Is it new? No? Well, it's the one I always use in the morning. Oh the green can Oh, okay, you have I've tried that I like it. You like the taste of it No, I was gonna stay too. He was like, oh, no, no, no, no, I don't like the taste of it But I like the way I feel from it. Yeah, he's making me fucking pound it.
Starting point is 00:06:06 It's good, huh? Yeah, no, it's cool when I take it. Yeah, it's a nice little buzz. It's like a good awake sharp buzz, and I'm doing, right now I'm doing, oh, you know, just put it up because we're doing this contest. So I'm going to put out exactly what my protocol is right now. I'm starting to nail down. I'm doing caffeine only on Monday's Wednesdays and Fridays.
Starting point is 00:06:29 I'm keeping the caffeine for my heavy workouts to keep my body sensitive to it because I like to maximize it, right? Tuesdays and Thursdays, I'm gonna use the four-signatic matcha lion's mane in the morning, just a little bit, and then check this out with the diet, right? So I've been doing some research and And white wine, huh? That was just on the weekend. No, that was it. That was my mom's birthday. Yeah, I'm good now That was your mom's birthday. Yeah, it was my mom's birthday. That's why we're up here to see that castle
Starting point is 00:06:58 Oh, I thought you was just you and your girl We went up Saturday and then my mom met us up there Sunday. It was all for her birthday Oh, I didn't know that it was planned a while ago I thought I was gonna done it. Oh, I was wondering. I thought it was just you and your girl getting away. No, we did that too Because we're up there, but it was for my oh now I feel bad people were all talking shit because I posted him You know say him doing the wine or we was talking shit in my DMs. I don't feel bad And I was like yeah, I sound so pussy. We'll tell them to be able to be I'm glad you're doing this DMs don't feel bad and I was like yeah, I sound so pussy will tell never build it. I'm glad you're doing this
Starting point is 00:07:31 No, this is about your mom. I feel a little bad you say it like this is good Box birthday. Yeah, this is good because then at the end when I win everyone's like oh shit He even did that too. Yeah, but anyway, so it's a live a normal life You know what funny? You know, everybody wants Justin to win. We're too cocky, dude I'm gonna stop talking shit on the podcast. But you'd be all nice now. I'm losing fans. I'm gonna be all humble. Dude, I'm on the hate train right now,
Starting point is 00:07:51 ever since the soccer thing. Yeah, it's fun. I'm gonna bring back, we love to hate, dude. We love to hate's coming back. Sometimes it's fun. So I have some something, oh, so before I get into that, because I do wanna talk about that,
Starting point is 00:08:03 I'm sorry, did I interrupt your commercial? No, it wasn't a commercial. Okay. So here's the, here's the protocol. So because I've been doing all this research on fasting and fasting actually so far from what I'm reading, causes a lower or a reduced metabolic adaptation response. So when you just cut your calories across the board, metabolism slows down to accommodate.
Starting point is 00:08:27 When people eat high calories and then have a day where they eat very low because they fast, for sure. It doesn't adapt quite as much. So what I'm gonna do, is also a motherfucker that way, too. I know this, but. I had that last night actually,
Starting point is 00:08:39 blasted my calories way up and now I'm going for like fastest day. So what I'm doing is, Monday's Wednesday's and Friday's are my foundation of workouts. I'm going for like fast to day. So what I'm doing is Monday's Wednesday's and Fridays are my foundation of workouts. I'm doing kind of an abbreviated map center ball type work. Because that for me, map center ball,
Starting point is 00:08:51 just if I, especially if I my individualize it, oh my God, it's just, it's the most effective hands down. I have to switch out of it every once in a while, right? But by itself, it's so effective, especially when you do the trigger sessions three times a day consistently on the off days. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, foundation workouts, and those days, my calories are high.
Starting point is 00:09:10 And I'm gonna eat three or four times on those days. Tuesday's Thursday, Saturday's, and Sundays are trigger session days. Those days, especially Tuesday's and Thursday's are gonna be probably like a warrior fast, one meal. One meal at the end of the day. That's funny. Saturdays and Sundays, I'm gonna use to,
Starting point is 00:09:28 I'm gonna observe my body and see if I need to eat a little more or a little less and see what happens. And this is kind of how I did it when I got, really lean from my photos from AppSanabolic. And it worked really, really well. So we'll see what happens. Super funny, yeah, cause is it the lean gains
Starting point is 00:09:43 that protocol that goes from the eight hour blockers at the warrior fast because I've been doing that same thing on my off days. Yeah. Yeah, for the low to moderate, like trigger session type days. So, but yeah, like one thing too, like because I've been drinking Nitro and like I've been trying to kind of keep, you know, some Nitro and some coffee on hand, but also to offset that for me to look for to something I'm been drinking, some of the fit aid, just to make sure that it's something else that has maybe,
Starting point is 00:10:13 doesn't have like the caffeine in it, but at the same time, it's something for me to drink. That's, you know, Fit aid has a little bit of candy. Something to look forward to. It's like a tiny bit. This goes back to it. You know, we had a little bit of pushback about like,
Starting point is 00:10:26 you know, oh, pushing it like is this big supplement thing. Oh, it's a, it's a good drink. It's a natural tasty drink. And that's how I've used it, right? That's how I'm used it. It's like, okay, listen, I want something. I want to drink something that has flavor in it, right? I don't want to just drink some play now shit.
Starting point is 00:10:41 And it has some beneficial things in it. So it gives a fuck if it's not fucking 40 grams of this I know I'm not promoting it like it's a goddamn Real low that's gonna build a ton of muscle fit fit it has a little bit of caffeine. It's only 45 milligrams Life aid is got the it's got cayenne in it and you can kind of taste a little bit in the turmeric in it It's got a little bit just enough to where you can kind of taste it or whatever, but if you drink if you like My favorite one that's what life a tend to do. Yeah, the most is life. Yeah, but if you want something with some flavor, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:10 there you go. And it's not artificially sweet. So back to the soccer thing, and you are just digging yourself a whole out of it. Oh, it's so bad. Why are you why are you revisiting it that right now? You want to go back? You all jumped on this circle back to the floor. No, because I have, I have some observations that I was thinking about on the back. No, because I have some observations that I was thinking about on the way over here, because I saw you posted in the forum
Starting point is 00:11:29 and you were riling up, you were riling up the forum, which is great, everybody gets so angry. Oh, dude, you know it's great. Okay, before you go into whatever you're about to observation, studies, whatever you're doing. No, no, not studies, not observation on that. Whatever you broke down.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I now, at least this is what I love about the division of the three of us in having our own social presence, right? Is I have my people that are like, got my back on all this? So I have to shit, I don't even fucking read it. You know what I'm saying? They're like, hey, this is for your argument. So I just posted on the, I didn't have time to fucking feed. I was driving it over.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Or was that what people are doing? Yeah, yeah. So I'm just like, I'm like, oh, this is my car. I'm gonna stir the shit up, I kid this morning. It'd be like, just get so mad. I don't understand how this is going. I didn't do why. I didn't read it, bro.
Starting point is 00:12:14 People get so tribal. Countered. Yeah. So I was thinking about this. You know, I was thinking about your arguments. I was thinking about my arguments. And, you know, obviously soccer currently is like something like three and a half, four billion fans in American football, something like four hundred million. So it's a lot smaller right now. And I was thinking
Starting point is 00:12:31 throughout, you know, American sports history, you know, I've always been a fan of combat sports. And I know decent amount about boxing history, love boxing. back in the day boxing gyms were everywhere. They were on every corner and you had Like schools like public schools had boxing high schools had boxing along with wrestling Even some elementary schools had boxing in parents. I already know where I know where you're going with your argument here Yeah, and they because of the dangers and all the stuff that came out and so the school stopped taking it stop doing it and today The only the difference it the difference is with boxing of the dangers and all the stuff that came out. They stopped. And so the school stopped taking it. They stopped doing it. And today, the difference is with boxing, you can't, what are you going to do? Slap boxing to regress that?
Starting point is 00:13:11 Like, if worst case scenario, you'll see flag football on the rise. That's the sport of football won't die, dude. That's my point. My point is for, so you have to do it this way, you have to look at it this way. And the reason why I think MMA is gonna continue to grow and boxing is gonna continue to decline, right now the only places you'll find boxing gyms are poor neighborhoods and that's true.
Starting point is 00:13:33 You don't see them almost anywhere else. And it's been like that for a little while. So you have nobody, no schools do boxing anymore. MMA, I think, will continue to grow because martial arts feed into it. And things like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling, which you can totally have your kids do, you're not afraid of them getting their heads bashed
Starting point is 00:13:50 or whatever, and then they can continue to do that and grow and then eventually get into MMA. Whereas with boxing, you've lost that feeder system into it. Now football, American football, arguably, one of the things that makes it so popular is the violence. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:14:08 So would Flag Football be able to take over? I mean, it's an honest question. I'm not, I don't think you'll take over. It's interesting. With kids, it's becoming very popular actually. Flag Football. Yeah, Flag Football is an option for them to learn the game and the dynamic of the game. And actually, like, you know, like put all these plays together
Starting point is 00:14:26 and see how this all works and then that kind of leads into, well, once they get bigger and they get testosterone and, you know, it's just such a great outlet like, you know, for aggression. And for me, it saved me, man. I was getting in fights and being like a real asshole kid. Like I really needed that. Have you started watching the new season of last chance you yet? Not yet. I loved that show. I watched the other ones. It's on the third season right now. I think it just
Starting point is 00:14:54 came up or at least I just found out because my buddy said they're great series. No doubt, no doubt. I will never argue this. Not in a million years, that there aren't massive benefits to sports for kids, and especially physical sports for kids, because I mean, kids can get organized and do other things, right? They can get organized and play games and stuff like that. But the difference with physical sports is that, when you're in physical pain,
Starting point is 00:15:21 and I know this through exercise, and I also did, like I said, I did judo and Jiu and juditsu as a kid. When you're pushing your body physically, it tests you in a different way. And so I think physical sports have incredible benefit to children, so I'm not gonna ever argue that there are massive benefits to,
Starting point is 00:15:37 yeah, and I think, I think too, like the evolution of tackling, like you already see how many restrictions they have on like leading with your head and tackling, like, already see how many restrictions they have on like leading with your head and tackling like like technique wise. They're changing that whole format, but you know, worse comes to worse, like it could look a lot more like rugby. Yeah, like the tackling technique is totally different. It ain't going away. It's just it's gonna have to change the bottom line. And that what that I won't argue
Starting point is 00:16:05 I already said that I'm the one to believe it's gonna go fucking virtual That's right guys ever seen guys are gonna explode and die on there That's right whatever you know the point is it's it's too big bro. It's too big to fail Would you ever seen Australian rules football? No, it's the it's the most manly fucking sport on the planet What is it? It's I, they don't wear any pads, and they tackle like, like they go all in with their whole body on each other, and it's just like, it's so viciously brutal.
Starting point is 00:16:35 So is it football, but with no pads? I mean, they have their own sort of, I don't really know the specifics on the rules. It's kind of a mix between rugby and football, but I mean, I wish we could pull up a clip and show it. I have a sport that I think. We had a producer we could do that. Yeah, but then the audience is gonna get bored.
Starting point is 00:16:53 You know, we don't need to do that. I have a sport that I think can compete with it. There's this sport and it's not very popular. It's really, it's an ancient sport. It exists in Italy. I may have shown you guys this before, but the goal is to get a ball into a goal by any means necessary And so they have any
Starting point is 00:17:13 Already helical bro. They have two teams. It sounds like as they have two teams and you can punch people in the head You can kick people you could body slam people Whatever you can do to get the ball into the other goal. That's what it is. Justin, this looks just like rugby. It does, but wait, wait, this should be like a hit reel. You can also kick the ball, which you can do that rugby too, right? Yeah. You can kick it only forward. It looks like a knock on it.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It looks closer to rugby than it does. And it even has the rugby poles or whatever. Doug, look up the Italian, the no holds bar to tie in sport. Maybe that'll come up. I want you guys to see this. They beat the crap. Oh, you showed us this before. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:50 You brought this up on mine, people a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch this. I forgot about this. Bro, it's insane. I'm just like, it means necessary. Yeah, it's just like, it's like a gang fight. The goal is to get the ball in the other side.
Starting point is 00:18:03 And you got guys in there who do judo and who do kickboxing It dudes will just stop and fight. It's hilarious. Look at guys are boxing off on there's not even no Nobody's hustling. No, it's but because it's no it's no there's no rules. You gotta be careful. Yeah, you gotta watch out Yeah, you don't want to run by all the swivel. Yeah, it's hilarious, right? Dude, I don't know that other one you showed me where they're wearing armor. Armor and they're hitting each other with weapons. Fucking Russia. Russians are crazy. That one wins, I think.
Starting point is 00:18:33 So, do you guys hear it? So, I don't know, I'm sure you guys got a million tags on this too, but apparently this happened in New Hampshire, I think. A man stripped naked before working out. Damn it. So, you tick took my head that. Did you?
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah, I was gonna say, oh, hey, so have you made it in New Hampshire lately? Yeah, no, that was a big. Yeah, that was a big. Yeah, I got like butt naked and goes into a planet fitness. What? And goes over to the yoga mats and starts doing yoga and they say naked.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Yeah, yeah. And they approach him and he's like, I thought this was a judgment free zone. I was like, yeah. I was like, and he's like, I thought this is a judgment free zone. I was like, yeah, that's the ultimate troll, dude. I guarantee you did that just for, you know, 100% I just need reaction. How did they get him out? I had cops. Yeah, they took him. Have you ever had to throw, have you ever had to throw someone out of the gym and you, but you physically didn't want to touch them? Yeah, no, I've ever had to throw, I've ever had to throw someone out of the gym, but you physically didn't want to touch them.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Yeah, no, I've told stories about it and get the cops to come get them for sure. Oh, dude. I had to get a guy out of the, there was a guy in the sauna who this woman's like, he just took, he's taking his clothes off. So I had, I walked over there, this was in Salinas. I walked over to the, was a Salinas. It might have been, I don't remember which club I'm trying to think about, but. I walked over to the to was a Salinas. It might have been, I don't remember which club I'm trying to think right now, but I'm walking over the sauna.
Starting point is 00:19:48 The dude's just standing there naked looking at me through the glass door. What do you do? Presses his pecker up against the bus. But what do you do? You know what I'm saying? He's eyeballing you. Yeah. Yeah. What do you do if the guys is standing there naked? Like, what do I say to him? right? So I knocked on the door, because I just like boom, boom, like you can't, I said you gotta leave, put your clothes on and he goes, I'm not going anywhere. I'm like, oh, I guess I'm a call for cops.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I'm comfortable. Because I'm not gonna physically remove a naked guy. Probably one of the best ways to defuse a fight, right? Like some dudes about to brawl with you, you just get naked, right? All right, let's get it. He's just sticking your pants off. Don't try that in prison.
Starting point is 00:20:24 I'm getting excited. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, guys like, ah, that doesn't work in prison. Yeah. I had to, I also had to lift someone out of the, the, the jacuzzi. I had to kick someone out of the club and they were in the jacuzzi. So we had to pull out, try to grab this guy, slip or you ask out of the terrible people and realize when you run a gym, you're, you're gonna at least, I don't know, what would you say the average would be? Once a month or once every other month, you have to call. I'd say once a month. Once a month, right?
Starting point is 00:20:49 All the new memberships are that cheap. You're gonna have final kinds of characters. That's a good point. That's a really good point. It was probably different for us running a gym. I don't think it's like that at Equinox. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:01 We had some characters we had to deal with. We had some kids. I remember I with. Dude, it's okay. I remember I had this Asian guy one time that was swimming laps, dude. And I had a complaint, right, about his bathing suit. And I come walk it in. And I remember walking in. And all I could see, because he was doing freestyle, right? Like, back and forth.
Starting point is 00:21:18 All I see are these ass cheeks. But the tub, what was he wearing? He's like, the fucking jeez string, bro. He's like fucking jeez-string bro. He had a thong on. He had a thong on. That's a bold move. It was so great. It's like, hey as much, I can appreciate the outfit bro, but I gotta get you to put
Starting point is 00:21:33 some different shorts on. I mean, he was really cool. He got out and left. I wonder if it's the same guy. But I think to myself, like, what were you thinking? Like, it's a super public place. Isn't it like a kind of public place? This is like lots of kids and people coming in and out here.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Like let me just throw my fucking phone on. I had to go up to a lady on cardio because her phone was, I mean her pants were halfway down her ass. Oh, you see her phone. Yeah, so I had to kind of go up to her and I'm like what do I see? You know her? So I'm like, uh, your pants are falling off.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Do you ever get the ladies that used to go in the pool and then they come over in the treadmill and they walk barefoot Fucking dripping wet from the pool. Oh, what is that? Like what are you doing? Why? I just had this like spontaneously awesome idea. Yeah Yeah, I want to go walk now. God damn dude. Nothing beats the poop and dry off Sometimes I've heard right missed those days man You know you know what's funny is you get so,
Starting point is 00:22:25 if you do it long enough, you get so used to it that it becomes like, it's not a big deal. Oh, it's not, it wasn't a big deal. Like, telling stories, I wish I, you know what, I know there's more stories. What am I biggest regrets? And if you're listening right now, because I know we have a lot of listeners
Starting point is 00:22:37 that own gyms or work in gyms, like, start a journal. I wish I would have a journal half this day, because I could have easily wrote a book on I forgot half the shit dude. Oh so many. But you're right. It's like literally at minimum every month there's a story. Oh, you know, if not every week there's something going. I remember our operations manager. She just gets oh piss some days like she came out of the women's locker room just fucking. Oh, like yelling because some lady had took a shit on the drain.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Oh, what is that? Yeah, like that hole is for whatever. But you're in the bathroom. No, that's a thing. It's a cultural thing. Yeah, it is a cultural thing where they can shit in the shower. Like it's a normal thing. What did it even go all the way through this?
Starting point is 00:23:23 Google this. Google this, Doug. What culture is shit in the shower? Yes, dude, it's the way through this. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it.
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Starting point is 00:23:49 I thought just some... No, that's not it. Somebody got a duck's face on the whole and then it's like, Oh, yeah. I feel like some people are just weird, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, here's something that I, this is funny. I used to train my salespeople all the time and how to sell, you know, programs or sell programs or supplements or you could always turn a conversation to whatever.
Starting point is 00:24:09 And one time this lady went down because she passed out, which by the way, it sounds bad, but people would pass out, I don't know, once a week, once a week, because somebody would be like, you always have to watch out. Yeah. So this lady kind of, oh my God, I'm faint.
Starting point is 00:24:18 She's on the floor and everybody's coming to her and we have to call an ambulance because that's normal. She's awake, but she's kind of faint or whatever. So my sales guy made a joke and he's like, yeah, what can you sell that lady over there? So I walk over there, so there's some protein bars to help her with her blood sugar levels. So she doesn't, she doesn't pass that thing to work.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Such a day. Such the worst, but every time we call an ambulance, though, the ambulance will park in front of the club and you'd see the siren lights throughout the whole gym because it would go through the class. And I'd always make an emergency sale on my announcement. Pension members of gas, we have an emergency sale, 15% off all the peril. And we'd sell more peril every single time. Oh my god, I'm not awful.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Turn on this. Terrible. So, I just read this, another study, so check this out. This was on, now I want to debate this study a little bit, or I want to discuss this study with you a little bit. But this study comes out and it links mealtimes to cancer. What? Yeah, so the study says that, this study says that people who eat late at night or people who eat after, I think they said something like 8 p.m. have a higher rate or higher instances of cancer. Now there's been other studies that have also shown this.
Starting point is 00:25:34 And what they're trying to do in the article is they're speculating why that may be the case. Maybe evolutionarily speaking, we probably didn't eat when the sun went down because we don't want to attract predators with our food or whatever. So maybe our bodies, they do better when we eat in a short time period, maybe during the day. We've read other studies that say eating late at night, maybe contribute to insulin. It's kind of lumping in people that
Starting point is 00:26:01 were worked at graveyard shift too, and that type of lifestyle. That's a very, very good question, very good point. I think they did control for that. But here's the other thing that I've always, I've always had a problem with. People that tend to eat late at night, like 11 o'clock at night,
Starting point is 00:26:20 that usually is an additional meal to what they've, you know what I'm saying? It's not like they ate. Like they were good. They could have gone to bed, but they just became another. Yeah, I don't think it's the same. Like I don't think people who eat at midnight
Starting point is 00:26:33 or 10 o'clock are eating the same food as other people. I think if you took all those people and put them in a category and then really examined what they were doing, I feel like it's an extra meal and the decisions that people tend to make. That you make at 11 o'clock a night is ice cream, cereal, cookies, like, you know, it's getting up
Starting point is 00:26:52 and cooking a chicken breast and fucking spinach. I had a lot of time. So that's one side of the argument that I'm thinking, like, okay, I wanna look at that because food studies are so hard because they're always surveys, right? So hard to control for everything. But then the other side of it is this is that, you know, the body definitely has a circadian
Starting point is 00:27:10 rhythm. So do our organs. So like when you eat food, I think we had, I don't remember who we had on as a guest, but they were talking about how you could work with jet lag by waiting to feed yourself because your stomach and your digestive system and all that stuff has a circadian rhythm. And if you time it right, it'll help your body adjust to the new time zone. So I'm wondering if throwing that off with food is similar to throwing it off by having
Starting point is 00:27:38 crazy sleep schedules, which we do know increases inflammation and cancer. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That sounds like one of those click-bait-y shotguns. Yeah, that's nice. What did you come up with? Trying to correlate, you know, that seems to me like it's a bit of a stress. Yeah, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:27:54 It's, it is interesting. In the big scheme of things though, I mean, how important is that compared to everything else, right? Overall diet and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't know about you guys, but do you guys feel better eating in the day and not eating at night or the other way around. I actually feel better more towards like later in the afternoon and night like eating then versus during the day. I don't really feel great when I eat during the day. So I'm just that's how my
Starting point is 00:28:19 body is though. I've told you guys before that this is something that I manipulate like though. So sometimes you mean the day. Now have you noticed differences between the two or is it just because it's different. Well, I think it takes more self control and discipline for me to not eat later in the evening since I've trained myself to do that for most of my life. Okay. So for a majority of my life, I was a late eater. I'd eat all the way till 10, 11 o'clock a night, didn't matter. I'd eat whatever. Because again, I was always the kid who was trying to gain, right? So I would never, I would never, like, I would never not eat something at night if I was hungry. Right. So I ate all the way up until midnight. So I went to bed for most of my life. Now I've gotten older and, you know, it's much easier for me to gain weight than it was before. Now, I actually play with that.
Starting point is 00:29:05 So I'll restrict from the evening and play with my times. And, you know, it's challenging for me to do that, but I also feel like I lean out when I do that. And then I'll, it's so like right now. So every time you change it, you find that you... Yeah, I feel like, and I feel like it's that it's part of that. My body getting adapted to that, that it's working more or working harder. I don't know if that's the it's working more or working harder.
Starting point is 00:29:25 I don't know if that's the right way to explain it or not, but that's how I feel and I always seem to lean out when I do that. So it seems like, yeah, it seems like it shakes things up. And so I will do it for a few weeks and then I'll switch back the other direction. Now during this contesting that we're doing, have you, are you scheduling changes like that?
Starting point is 00:29:45 What are you going? Last night was the first night that I did something like this. Okay. Right. So like my last meal I think was at 6.30 which is, you know, normal eat again by eight or eight or so. So now you need this morning or you need early. I did eat this morning. Yeah, I ate first thing. So I got up early this morning and so I ate it like seven o'clock
Starting point is 00:30:01 this morning. So which is early for me. So normally I'll come here first and then have my first meal either right before here after we podcast first. So that was different because I changed it from last night. So I'll do things like that just, and sometimes I won't schedule it or plan it. I'll just allow it to happen. I'll be like, oh, this will be,
Starting point is 00:30:19 I've got what I need in, like that's kind of how I decided last night. It wasn't like this plan thing, like oh, tonight I'm gonna cut off at 6.30. It's like, oh, I fit my major macro targets that I need and I that's how I decided last night. It wasn't like this plan thing, like, oh tonight, I'm gonna cut off at 6.30. It's like, oh, I fit my major macro targets that I need, and I'm a little, I want to- Are you tracking? Yeah, I'm tracking now.
Starting point is 00:30:31 That secret? Yeah, so this is, so I guess I should share what I'm doing. This is kind of cool. I love that we're, everyone's doing different stuff. This is what makes me really appreciate what we've created here at MindPomp is that, none of us I think are dogmatic about anything that we do and that we encourage people to figure out What makes me really appreciate what we've created here at MindPump is that, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:45 none of us, I think, are dogmatic about anything that we do and that we encourage people to figure out what's best for their body. And here we are in a six-week competition to, you know, lean out, build muscle, whatever. And as much as we all agree on everything, we're still all have different strategies to what works for us. And so this first week for me, I think I told you guys off air, I don't think I talked about this on the air. So the kind of six week strategy for me is a two week cut, two week bulk, two week cut.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Right. But really this first week, first for week, this first week, is it really a cut as much as it is, cleaning my food up really well, dialing it, dialing everything in, tracking everything. So I'm kind of hovering right around 3000 calories. And I don't know necessarily if that's technically a cut from your not, I won't really know that tool after this week.
Starting point is 00:31:36 And so right now, I'm, and how you're going to judge that by weight loss or the scale by the scale. So I mean, I'm pretty good at being able to look at myself. I use all of them, right? So every morning and every night, I weigh myself. I take a look at myself in the mirror and I can see the fact funny last night Katrina was making fun.
Starting point is 00:31:57 So now that I'm not competing, right, and it's no longer my job to pose in front of a mirror, like I think that's fucking, it's the gloves are off for Katrina. So she just fucking jabbing at me last. Oh, every time you look in the mirror, well yeah, because the end, so I mean, when I'm getting ready for a show,
Starting point is 00:32:13 that's like part of my routine. It's just at the end of the night, after I'm done feeding all night long, I jump on the scale, I see where my last kind of way in is before I go to bed. I hit a couple of poses in front of the mirror. I kind of like evaluate my body and then I go to bed, right? And so last night was kind of like the first night that I had done that since we've been
Starting point is 00:32:30 doing things and she was making fun of me. She's like, do you have to walk up to the mirror with your arms like that? I wish I could see it. God. Yeah, I'll do it for you guys because I'm a sport like that. And so, no, what I mean, as soon as I get naked, you do the hand thing. Yeah, I kind of like retract my shoulders, I get into my position to like if I was posing on stage. And she's like, do you have to walk up to the, she's like,
Starting point is 00:32:54 what happens if you put your hands down when you walk up to the mirror? Like, why you be the hater right there? I would never hate it before. I would pay $5,000 to suggest and do that. To suggest and do that. No, we should do a video of you teaching me. Oh, good. That'd be great Oh, good and also I I'm yeah, I've been stealing your Sal has this like technique with his face like he does this thing right what bites the inside of his cheek And so it looks leaner and then I mean you know Yeah, you do I'm gonna try that I didn't know that works. You put the inside of my cheek. Yeah, so like
Starting point is 00:33:29 Yes, you have don't lie dude. I watch you. What are you talking about? I'm this guy. It's here observing you guys think I don't see shit I see it. I don't need to make my face look leaner. Oh, yes, you do my face gets I wish we could do a fat transfer. I need some of your keys My face gets too late maybe it's like like blue steel like that I wish we could do a fat chance for I need to send your keys at I'm gonna try this strategy though That's my that's dude. That's the detriment for me when I get really lean because I don't store a lot of fat on my face You look at my face like that bro eat some food. See that's what's great. My face gets too much I feel like that's right when you finally get to see my jaw line, when I'm 4% by the way.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Are you shaved the beard? For sure I will. Yeah, when I get. Yeah, once I get Halloween, I'll shave the beard to CL. I tell you what though, that test that we did, that body fat test that we did, as long as it's consistent, I really don't care. But I definitely think the measurements were.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Of course it was all over. Of course it was high. Who gives a shit though? Of course it was high. We give a shit though. Of course it was. I think it was a good three, probably two to three percent highs. My guess, rather honest. Well, known to be off two to four. So I anticipated it to be that.
Starting point is 00:34:34 So I have calipers at home. You know, we could use calipers to the problem with calipers is that someone else will be testing it. Yeah, no good. No calipers are all testing us. Yeah, yeah, like damn, Justin went up. Yeah. Yeah, caliper testing, no good for caliber. I'll test you guys. Yeah, yeah, like damn Justin went up. Yeah Yeah, caliber testing no good for a test like this. I don't like you like you said it doesn't matter as long as it's consistent Right, I don't give a shit if it read me at 25
Starting point is 00:34:52 You know, I'm saying what I won't care about is where it reads when I go back there in two weeks and three weeks and four whatever Did you did you guys see Enzo's Vlog vlog it was good so bro they have fucking they have a blast in here when we're gone. It's funny. Did you see the video? Yeah. They're all working out with their shirts off.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Music blasted in our shit. And I was gonna get on about that. Like, clean up your sweat. You know what I want? I don't want that on my face. You know what would be a cool thing at the end of this? It might be fun to do just a group workout. Like the three of us take everybody through a crazy workout. I think it would be super fun.
Starting point is 00:35:30 She could do it in a public gym. Yeah. Too many people agree with that. That'd be a lot of people though. We'd have to go dead time and have it scheduled. Yeah, let's go in the middle of the day sometime. Maybe in the day any of these gyms are pretty. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:41 I feel like our place is too small for everybody. Oh yeah. Everybody in here. What am I going to do? I'll just, yeah. Like somebody's left out. They're going to have to, I feel like our place is too small for everybody. Oh, yeah, everybody in here. What am I gonna do? I'll just yeah, like somebody's left out. They're gonna have to I'll just grab me. I'm gonna need more BPC 157 for that shit because I know it'll happen if the three of us work out and we're working out with everybody else Oh, really have one squat rat gonna be like who could it if the most on everything? Yeah, yeah, hey, how did you start that? I did so I did yesterday, I did a tiny amount, and it was, I guess, was too little,
Starting point is 00:36:07 according to you, and then I read on, there's a blog by Ben Greenfield on the subject. By the way, I don't recommend it. Anybody use BPC157. It's a research chemical. It's still being studied. I don't recommend it. What's the actual Enzo came in the other day,
Starting point is 00:36:23 is it should I use, like, no, dude, I'm not gonna fucking tell you to use any of this stuff Crazy so but I did use it your fucking 12 Yeah, you don't need and I'm I'm pretty sensitive to how I feel about certain things now Here's a deal. I did a lot of read. Did you do a lot of research on it to see what other no no idea No, I mean I Trust I trust Ben dude. I, I read all of Ben's articles. Ben's done everything to himself.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I don't know if you should trust him. Well, I was already, I so it had already been recommended to me by Ben Pekolsky by ProF-I-F-B-B bodybuilder. Right, right. Yeah, but I, again, I also, I also trust Ben. Ben's a smart guy, does his homework, does his research. Like he's, he's on the holistic path right now.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Like, I read Ben Greenfields, I also Jordan Schallow, so you know, all people that I trust. So I've read some more stuff on this and there was some, it may affect the dopamine and serotonin systems in the body. And they think that maybe one of the reasons why it helps the gut. But some studies show that it dramatically increases tolerance for amphetamines in mice, and I think it may even help with opiate withdrawal. Nonetheless, there are more effects than just the ones that we've been talking about, which is helping your body heal and repair this net.
Starting point is 00:37:44 So I don't know yet, but I'm very sensitive to certain things, right? And I've only done it twice. And I felt a little irritable afterwards. Like I feel a little bit edgy afterwards. Do you notice anything like that? Not at all. So far I've felt.
Starting point is 00:37:59 You don't notice anything right after. That's my like constant state of mind. Yeah. Yeah, now it's norm. It's my constant state of mind. Yeah. Yeah, it's just norm. It's been nothing but positive things for me. Besides the pain relief or whatever in the healing, do you notice any changes in the feelings? Nothing negatively for sure.
Starting point is 00:38:16 If anything, I feel positive. But I think that's just a feedback loop of me feeling better, therefore, I feel positive. I don't think it's giving me energy. I don't think I feel stronger. Are you doing it every other day? I actually haven't done it now since we've started the six week thing.
Starting point is 00:38:32 So I wanted to make sure, you know, when I have to shoot at everybody that I can say, I didn't take anything. So I didn't want to hear you, but I feel you. I'm doing it. It's actually okay right now. It's actually, it's, and that for me, this is what sold me on this,
Starting point is 00:38:45 is it's one of my eight months or whatever that I've been dealing with this. And I told you guys that not a week had gone by where I hadn't had a day or two where it just felt like someone was sticking a blade in my Achilles. I mean, just fucking painful enough to make me limp the next day and just want to be off my feet.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Where since I've taken the cycle that I've only done, I've only finished one job. One little bottle? Yeah, one little bottle. And I feel significantly better than what I did before. Interesting. I don't feel 100%, but I do feel significantly better. I have not had a day since then where it has felt like that.
Starting point is 00:39:22 And while I'm also in the middle of increasing my need. So before I kind of had like this threshold of, as long as I was doing below 10,000 steps, it really didn't bother me. If I had a day or two back to back of above 10,000 steps, that's when I would feel that kind of like something stabbing me. And I'm averaging 10 to 14,000 steps a day now. So, and I haven't had any issues, no problem whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Oh, that's good. And I just did my first. So, any changes to nail, your snail skin, anything like that? No, I haven't noticed anything like. With faster nail growth. No, like with HGH, like when I was, that was a very obvious thing for me when I was taking HGH.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Like overings? Oh, no, I was clipping my nails every like three days. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was crazy. So that was HGH though. I don't feel that. So I've felt all those things before and taken plenty of things as a fuel.
Starting point is 00:40:20 This is a lot of fun because we all have, we all have our things that give us advantages and things that give us disadvantages and we're all doing things a little differently. And look, at the end of the day, I do want to say I feel very grateful for being able to do something like this with guys like you guys. Self-aware, disciplined individuals, we get to see each other every day, talk about these things, there's no malintent. It's a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:40:50 And really at the end of the day, and I want to be totally transparent, the reason why we're doing this is, we've talked about this many times, in that one of the ways you get people, your audience excited about working out and eating right and following programs, and the other, is you do a contest.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And it's just, this is just old marketing, old advertising, you know, 12 week challenge, five week challenge, you know, sign up for whatever. And we knew that, we don't want to do that necessarily with our audience to say, hey, sign up for this challenge and pay 50 bucks and whatever. But we did say, hey, look, if we did something for ourselves,
Starting point is 00:41:24 other people would probably want to jump on. It would be a lot of fun, a lot of good energy. We could make fun of each other, which we do anyway. We might as well do it in a constructive way. And it is, you know, like I said, we have our own, I mean, Adams come in just getting his hormones to come back. Justin is doing an elimination diet, which is going to make it hard for him to progress necessarily aesthetically, but it's health as this priority.
Starting point is 00:41:48 And I've just been consistent. So for me, I'm not getting into this decondition. I'm already being consistent. So the change is maybe hard for there. So we have our disadvantage. We have our advantages. Well, everybody fat percentage, you're not that much different. Hey, I'll tell you what, you take a group of people who haven't worked out, and you take a group of people working out't worked out and you take a group of people working out for five years, you're training for six weeks, who's gonna make the greater change?
Starting point is 00:42:08 Yeah, yeah. So, I think it's important too though that people, I mean, my body's gone to shit mainly because of the hormonal changes, but I haven't stopped training. I mean, I mean, your training's changed. Well, yeah, the volume is... My volume is increasing significantly. Yeah, I mean, when I was going through
Starting point is 00:42:26 the hormonal thing, it was all about my health. It was like, right, I couldn't come in and hammer my body. No, I could tell the biggest difference in your workouts. I could tell that you were feeling better by your workouts, because your workouts before were rehab, your workouts now are, or I'm training again. Yeah, I'm training again. And I'm not even at my stride. I mean, I was joking, but I'm half serious about like, you know, I haven't even hit the fucking rock music yet, dude.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Like once a rock music comes, that's another level for me. Like, and it's funny, but this is a thing I do. Like I really do this when I was getting ready for shows is and it works really well for me. And it keeps me in the right mindset. Like right now, I'm not supposed to be fucking hammering hard yet. I'm not ready for that yet.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Like it's, and I need to progressively, slowly get there as I start to increase volume over the next six weeks. And so I even change like the tempo I'm training, I change the music that I'm listening to, and it kind of keeps me. So the mindset. It's also why I don't like, and it kind of keeps me. Soul of mindset. Yeah, it's also why I don't like working out with other people because that all gets thrown off.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah, yeah. I pick up your energy. You know what I'm saying? If I'm working out with all these youngsters, or you guys, whatever your energy is, I'll bring myself up to that. Whereas if I'm by myself, I know what I need to do. I know what I need to work on today.
Starting point is 00:43:40 I know what level I need, what intensity level I need to bring today. And I want to bring it right to that, nothing more, nothing less. The perfect amount? Yeah. maximize your overall muscle and strength. Maths in the ball gives the perfect place to start. With a full 30-day money back guarantee, there is absolutely zero risk. So what is your waiting for? Go to mindpromidia.com and get started today!
Starting point is 00:44:14 It's the motherfucking flaw. An English landed! Quique-quit. First question is from Chris Henry 101. What is the best way to fix muscle imbalances? Good question. Find them first. Yeah, so when you have, so a muscle imbalance
Starting point is 00:44:33 really is a term to describe a recruitment pattern or the way your body moves. Let's just, let's just make it as easy to understand as possible. I think sometimes when we talk about recruitment patterns and imbalances, people get a little bit confused, right? Because it can sound a little too technical. Really it's just an imbalance is, your body is moving in a way
Starting point is 00:44:56 that's not optimal for long-term joint health and mobility. That's all. So your shoulder can move a lot of different ways, for example. And one way, or maybe a variety of ways, are ideal, in the sense that moving in these particular ideal ways reduces wear and tear on the joint. You know, you have the best range of motion, the best control, and the lowest risk for energy, excuse me, injury. So that would be considered an ideal muscle recruitment pattern or ideal movement.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Now things outside of that are less than ideal and you can get worse and worse and worse and worse to the point where you can move so poorly that you can hurt yourself the first time. Or you can move just bad enough to where you just start to develop chronic pain. And this is one of the most common forms of pain where clients would come to me and be like,
Starting point is 00:45:48 you know, my shoulder has been bothering me for the last few years. I'm like, well, what did you do to it? I don't know. It just kind of bothers me in the morning. So it's like one of those, like they don't even know what they did to it. It's just moving in a way that's not ideal.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Now, the best way to fix it, you have to identify what the ways that it's moving in the wrong way, and then you have to send a signal that overrides that by moving it the right way, more often than you move it the wrong way. That's something people need to understand. So what I mean by that is, if I notice that your shoulders are really far forward, and that's one of the main reasons why your shoulders are hurting, if you just train with me once a week and I focus on bringing your shoulders back,
Starting point is 00:46:26 it'll help a little bit because I'm strengthening the opposing movement or whatever, but really to change a muscle imbalance or recruitment pattern, I have to move you and you have to be able to move properly more often than you move in properly. It can't just stop at the workout. You need to address that all day long. That has to
Starting point is 00:46:46 be something that you are conscious of, you know, as you do any movement, as you lift things, as you grab things, like you just have to be more conscious of how to adjust in, you know, real time, you know, pull your shoulders back and understand, you you know what retracted position into pressed position feels like and so you can always come back to that sort of homeostasis where we want to be in good alignment we want to be in good postural position so just understanding you know where to start is the most important thing and then now you know the movements that require understanding what's the most preferential way to lift things, and which mechanics are gonna do the best there.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Like I think it's definitely an educational process because I think people kind of go through lifts mindless sometimes. And so this develops a specific type of a pattern where I'm in a shortened position, you know, in my elbow, where, you know, now I'm heavily relying on, you know, my biceps to do a lot of lifting with this, whereas I don't need that.
Starting point is 00:47:58 I don't need that, that's not preferential, but that's the way I've always done it. And now it just compiles and this becomes something that becomes your deep Problem well the bottom the bottom line is that we all have muscle imbalances. Yeah, everybody has a has a muscle Nobody fucking walks around in the anatomical position all the fucking time and is balanced is perfectly balanced the way so That's the first so don't freak out when, because this is also like a scare tactic term that a lot of trainers will use on clients. Fuck, I used to do it all the time. I mean, there's, you know, it's very easy for me to
Starting point is 00:48:33 watch the way somebody walks or have them squat and just fucking pick them apart on all the things that aren't firing properly, like when they move. So it's not something you need to freak out about, but what I tell clients is like, let's address the ones that are the most debilitating, right? Let me find that, let's look at the areas that are potentially causing pain.
Starting point is 00:48:55 So most chronic pain is a result of some sort of a muscle imbalance. So if you've got knee, you didn't have knee surgery, but you have knee pain, I don't know where, you have low back pain, or you have shoulder pain, or you have neck pain. Like, if you have chronic pain that you've had for some time, it's because of a muscle imbalance that you've got to address. And this was really the motivation behind prime and prime pro is we knew that every single
Starting point is 00:49:20 client, no matter if they were some super athlete or just someone trying to get lean or someone trying to build muscle, that the real pursuit started with. Okay, let's figure out how poorly these people move and let's address the big areas that we can improve upon that and incorporate that within the routine. So that was really the motivation behind prime. So in there is a zone test where and it's, we try to make it as basic as possible so the average person could come in and learn. There's just three movements in there
Starting point is 00:49:50 that we think are extremely important. You have a wall test where you're raising above your head because obviously in your life, you're gonna grab things from a cover and lift things above your head and that puts you in a very compromising position if you lose that mobility and that range of motion. So we have that, we have the squat, and then we have a rotational test in there.
Starting point is 00:50:11 And all three of these things are probably the biggest areas that you need to address first, because we could say here a nitpick every single imbalance on a body. But first address the ones that are probably causing chronic pain, first figure those out, and that's what prime was for. So if you don't have prime and you're asking this question, that's got to be an investment for you. And the reason why we're recommending prime is mainly because, I mean, we're talking generally about imbalances, but it's very individual. The way that I would correct an imbalance on one person can be very different from the next person even though they may have the same That's what you just can't answer that like they could both have show
Starting point is 00:50:49 Yeah, you can't you can't just say like oh exactly right to people with shoulder pain could have two different things that they yeah That they should be working on or addressing so hence again the the whole idea a lot of times It's just a matter of like you haven't expressed those types of movements And so your body's been sort of prioritizing a different way to do it, which hasn't been benefiting you quite as much. And so we're just trying to expose that and like show you like how to like align your body. So that way now, you know, we may be able to alleviate some of these pains and some of these problems. One of my biggest regrets since we've started mind pump was not documenting my process better
Starting point is 00:51:30 because I think... Oh, dramatic change. I don't think people realize how in mobile I was and how many issues I had mechanically that I addressed over the last two to half years or so. And nor do I think they really understand how much work and effort went into that. That wasn't like a, oh, let me follow some of these
Starting point is 00:51:50 prime exercises and just do them a couple times before I work out or whatever. You worked on your squat for a year, yeah. Well, it was every day. That's what I'm trying to say here's when every day multiple times a day. That's what I see when I recommend correctional exercises to clients.
Starting point is 00:52:03 It's not, this is what you do two or three days a week. It's, here's your five to 10 minute correctional exercise routine that you do two to three times every day. Yes. Because that's the only way to, really, because you can understand what a default pattern is, okay, let me explain what that is. When you get up to walk, the way you walk
Starting point is 00:52:22 is your default pattern of how you walk. Nobody walks and thinks of how they're walking. If you do, that's a lot of anxiety, right? You literally are up and you're just walking and moving. You don't think to yourself like, right, step, right foot forward, left foot, no, you just do your walk. That's your default pattern. Now imagine if I told you, you had to change the way you walked.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Well, it would take a lot of practice and it would take a lot of practice frequently to the point where it becomes your new default to where you could get up and then walk without thinking and now you have a different way of walking. And you're subconscious. That's it, it becomes your pattern. I mean, just yesterday, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:52:57 I'm thinking back to yesterday, just to give people examples of yesterday, I trained legs, so of course I did my 15 to 20 minutes of priming before. When I first wake up in the morning, a lot of times I'll get down and kind of say good morning to my dogs. I automatically hop down into a full baby position type squat and I sit in that position, retract my shoulders
Starting point is 00:53:20 a few times and squeeze, puff my chest up, sit upright in that position. I then rock to my left, I rock to my right, I sit there and do kind of a combat stretch from the baby position. And I spend about five to eight minutes in that position when I first wake up, then I do that, when I'm training, then I come home later on the day.
Starting point is 00:53:36 And so I find all these little ways throughout my day to get into the proper posture that I need to be in and get comfortable in this position that used to be uncomfortable or unobtainable for me just a couple of years ago, and it's still today. And so the only difference now, like it was like painful work and like trying to train myself to keep doing it.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Now that I've got the mobility, now I just gotta get myself, continue to get back down in that position all the time. So I've, I'll sit, we'll be watching TV. We do this all the time. We're podcasting. Some people don't know this, but sometimes, you know, one of us will rock down because these mics have adjustable swings on them.
Starting point is 00:54:16 And I'll sit down in a squatted position and you don't even know it. Why we're on the show. And I'm sitting down in a baby position and I'm just kind of working, working my ankle mobility, working my ankle mobility, working my hip mobility. So it's, and I get this question a lot, like, you know, how many times do you do this? Or what's it, it's like, you do it as well.
Starting point is 00:54:33 All the time, all the time. Yeah, you can't do it enough. It's a bad, you have a bad pattern right now. We needed to correct it. Like Sal was saying, it's like, you're trying to, like, I get hair dressers, I used to train a lot, right? And they, they got this really bad forward shoulder. Well, fuck man, they six hours a day, they're cutting hair in.
Starting point is 00:54:49 That's a position, they're in that position. So I'm trying to counter that. Well, if I'm going to try and counter it, one, I want to be spending either as much time or building as much load the opposite side. Yeah, so you're going to be a lot of strength and a lot of muscle going the opposite direction. But you still have to change the pattern,
Starting point is 00:55:04 which requires lots and lots of frequency, lots and lots of practice, lower intensity. So here's the thing too, when you're building muscle and strength, it's higher intensity, when you're changing a pattern, it's frequency with low intensity. I'm not trying to, yeah, I have no, I should,
Starting point is 00:55:18 I guess it's a good point, so I'm not, when I'm making this, I'm this my body, I'm just moving my shoulders back. I'm not trying to hammer yourself. I'm not even using bands half the time, half the time I'm just doing I'm making this, I'm this my body. I'm just moving my shoulders back. I'm not trying to hammer yourself. I'm not even using bands half the time. Half the time I'm just doing my own body weight. I'm just training myself to pull the shoulder blades back
Starting point is 00:55:32 and just sit down in that position. You don't even need to really stress it. Now, Justin made a point earlier about how when people go and they just work out and don't really pay attention to technique and whatnot. This happened a while ago. It used to be different. A long time ago, when you would go to a gymnasium,
Starting point is 00:55:50 because that's where the word gym comes from. They were called gymnasians. The concept of working out didn't exist. What you were doing is you were practicing skills. The goal wasn't to go and get sore and sweat. They didn't understand your burning calories, they didn't understand, you got to sweat and all that stuff. Or at least they didn't make that the primary goal.
Starting point is 00:56:11 The goal was you're gonna go and you're gonna practice your handstands, you're gonna practice your deep knee bends, what they used to call them, or you're gonna practice the rings or whatever. Vertical climbing. It was all about skills. Today, the way we understand exercise today is all fucked up, it's all wrong. The idea now is not to go to the gym and learn skills and
Starting point is 00:56:31 perfect skills. It's to go to the gym and get sore and sweat and so skill and calories. Skill and technique don't even matter anymore. You see this most prevalent in running. Running is the best example of what I'm talking about where people, where people, every day people do this every year. Where they fucking run to run their bottles. Like trying to become a better runner. Yeah, they're like, I'm gonna lose way.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Oh, I know what to do. I'm gonna start running and then they just go and run. And these are people who never run. And so they just run terribly and they have bad biome and they're carrying an extra 20 to 30 pounds on them, which means they've totally changed the way they walk to run from the 30 pounds before that. So this is why I'm so glad you went that direction, Sal, because we do get a lot of flack because we talk so much down
Starting point is 00:57:15 about cardio and running. And this is why right here. This is the reason why. Not because it can't be great, not because it's not good for some people mentally. It's not about that. It's that majority of people that choose to go out and run to lose body fat have no business doing that. No, they never run. They never run. Now they're gonna go run to work out. And they're compiling on these imbalances.
Starting point is 00:57:35 And eventually they're gonna run into a wall where it's either it's pain or it's like injury or something's gonna, yeah. Like wear and tear on the ligaments and the joints. So, my point is they get up to go run and the goal isn't, okay, I wanna lose weight, I wanna use running to lose weight. So I'm gonna go outside and I'm gonna hire a coach
Starting point is 00:57:56 or I'm gonna watch videos and I'm gonna perfect how I run. That's not the goal. The goal is I'm gonna go run until I get really tired. So there's no emphasis on skill or technique, and if there is an emphasis on it, it's like second or third, first is, I got a sweat, and I got a stuff to get a breath hard.
Starting point is 00:58:12 It's a sweat. Right, and so people are treating the gym that way. Now, in early and mind pump days, we used to hammer on CrossFit for this, although they've made more of an effort now to perfect technique, but early CrossFit days, you see a lot of gyms where they just, here, here's a snatch, here's a clean, here's a, you know, a squat, do them for time and do them for fatigue.
Starting point is 00:58:34 They were treating it the same way people would treat running where it's, you know, the goal isn't the skill and the technique, the goal is, I got to get sore, I got to sweat and I got to get tired. No, when you go to the gym, especially if you're new to intermediate, this is another reason why I don't recommend people hammer themselves with super high intensity. Besides the fact that it doesn't really give you
Starting point is 00:58:54 better or faster results for most people, besides all that, for the most part, if you are not experienced and you push yourself to fatigue, the first thing to go was good technique. See you later, Skill. Yeah, your technique is out, because your body's just trying to do what you're telling it by all means necessary.
Starting point is 00:59:10 You don't have good technique to begin with, so in order for you to have good technique, you have to be fresh. So now you're making yourself super tired. Your goal should be to go to the gym, perfect the skills, perfect the techniques. Once those skills and techniques become hard wired, that's the loudest signal now.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Yeah, now you can push yourself to get sore and to sweat because now you're gonna fatigue and your form is gonna be good. And so that was a very good point you made, Justin, because that's what we see a lot now today. When people go to the, I don't know anybody that, most people don't go to the gym and think, you know, oh, I'm new, I wanna sign up.
Starting point is 00:59:44 What are your goals? I wanna learn how to really do a good squat gym and think, you know, oh, I'm new, I want to sign up. What are your goals? I want to learn how to really do a good squat. I want to perfect the bent. No, no, no, they say, oh, I want to lose weight. I want to sweat my soul. The only time I see that is if it's somebody who's interested in competing in powerlifting. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:56 That is the only time, and I wish more people would train that. I just let yesterday I was squatting next to this old man that was, you could tell was either competed in the back in the days or was competing now. It now. And he was squatting like, I don't know, he worked his way up to almost 400 pounds. But I just watched the way he was training. I actually walked over to him and complimented his squat. Because it's just rare that I see someone to work out that way. Yeah. To just the way he was addressing his mechanics versus just trying to get through the workout and push through you could see
Starting point is 01:00:26 This guy really cared about his technique gave himself good rest periods He was paying attention to his form like it's just so funny. It's rare to see it so we're to see it that I oh I feel compelled to walk over and and compliment and I appreciate this yeah nice work Dude I'll tell you what I bet you if people Prioritized technique and skill and they went to the gym and treated it as such, I bet you that alone will help people modulate their intensity properly. That alone. You know what I'm saying? Like because one of the biggest problems with beginners is you're working out too hard, you're not working out enough, but I think if people went and perfected their skill,
Starting point is 01:01:03 that would kind of control it a little bit, right? Intuitively, even if you get into a rest period, you're just gonna know based off of, oh, wow, I can't maintain this position. I got a rest. I got a rest. And that way we're not prescribing a minute, early, forever, it's like, that's totally arbitrary.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Yeah, who gives a shit? It's just like you lost form, you lost technique, you can't maintain your you know, your posture positioning. So stop. Right. Next up is ZachXEG. What are your feelings on using some hyper-politable, unhealthy foods in combination with a well-rounded
Starting point is 01:01:38 whole food diet as a tool for overriding appetite when the goal is gaining weight and adding muscle? Ooh, I like this question. It's a good one, right? I've been there. I know what this is like to try to push your body to gain muscle and gain weight and your appetite is just, it's just fighting you. You don't want to eat anymore.
Starting point is 01:01:57 And so one of the tricks you do is you pick foods that are hyper-palatable, which is just a fancy term for really fucking tasty. Something really salty or something kind of sweet. Yeah, to get yourself to eat more. Now here's a deal. I don't have a problem with this. As long as you don't have major dysfunction, you don't have horrible body image issues
Starting point is 01:02:15 because you should probably address that first, but here's a deal. Exercise and eating, I think the overarching theme should be good health, but then a little bit outside of that is look, I like the overarching theme should be good health. But then a little bit outside of that is, look, I like to push my body for maximum performance or I like to get super shredded for the summer or I like to build as much muscle as possible
Starting point is 01:02:36 within this period of time. When you're pushing your body to those extremes, you're going to have to figure out ways to override certain things. You're gonna be working out harder than is ideal for proper health. Are you going to be eating more or less than is ideal for proper health or for overall good health? So I don't necessarily have a problem with this, but I do think that there's a way you could do this that's healthier than others.
Starting point is 01:03:01 The way I would do it when I was a kid is I would reach for literal garbage, like literal like ice cream, candy bars, like any way I could get calories. Big max or whatever. Yeah, any way I could get calories I would, and I would be like, oh, this is cool because I got all these extra calories in me anyway. Really, I would just gain extra body fat from that
Starting point is 01:03:20 or water weight. There's healthier ways to do this. I think you can make healthy foods more palatable like if you wanna add carbs, white rice, first of all, typically it's considered a hyper palatable food for most people I could eat a lot of it, but you could try adding butter to it, you could try adding soy sauce to it,
Starting point is 01:03:40 you could try adding salt and butter to potatoes, you could try seasoning meats, you could try adding, if you to potatoes. You could try seasoning meats. You could try adding, you know, if you don't have a dairy intolerance, a great way to add calories is to drink whole milk with a meal instead of, you know, drinking water with your meal. Those are some tricks that I used to do that, you know, were better than the grabbing the candy and shit like that.
Starting point is 01:04:02 Yeah. I really like this question because there's this, like, the way this spectrum looks like is you have, I'm trying to gain, like you're trying to push your body 10, 20, 30 pounds beyond where it really kind of wants to comfortably be, either north or south, I find as just as challenging. Like I've pushed myself 20 pounds plus maybe 30 pounds even over where my body wants to be
Starting point is 01:04:29 as far as size wise, and I've cut as hard as 20 to probably 30 pounds lower than, and both I think are equally challenging. So when I'm cutting like crazy, it's obviously I feel like I'm dying, I'm starving, my body wants to eat all the time all, I'm thinking I'm dreaming about food because I'm in such a calorie restriction and I'm so low of body fat. And so it's amazing how we have these natural regulators that the body kind of tells you like, hey asshole, like this is not a great healthy place to be there. Now that being said, you know, to each their own, it's your body.
Starting point is 01:05:02 And if you want to push those extreme levels, who the fuck am I to tell you otherwise? And so, but yet at the same time too, when I push these limits, I'm trying to be as healthy as I can. Knowing damn well, that I'm not, that if I was just being healthy, I would eat when I was hungry and eat balanced and train like I'm supposed to, but I'm pushing the limits,
Starting point is 01:05:21 because I want to, because it is my body, and I'll do the fuck I want with it. So, when I do this, like when I'm'm going and I will do this during this time when we go to the two-week bulk is I'll figure out where my calorie intake is and let's just say Hypothetically I find out that like my happy medium is right around 32 to 3400 calories where my body kind of maintains So I want to be in about a five to a 700 calorie surplus when I go to the gain side of that. And so I will eat just like I normally do on a diet where I'm leaning down, the same types of foods that I'm rotating through and choosing from as far as whole natural foods.
Starting point is 01:05:58 And then when I get to my target, that's where I'll add like a cheeseburger. That's how I'll enjoy something like that in the diet where it's macro friendly. I'm getting some beneficial things from it. It's also super palatable for me and I can eat a cheeseburger even after I've had a chick, if I just add chicken thighs, rice and spinach, an hour and a half before, even if I'm not really that hungry,
Starting point is 01:06:22 I can find room for a cheeseburger. And so that's how I use these hyper-palatable foods to help push me into the surplus. If needed, now if I'm some days I'm fine, the goal is always to get it through all whole naturals, but I also know what it's like to be on the gain and trying to gain for a while. And at one point, especially as you start to build muscle, because if that's- Your metabolism is pretty good. Yeah, just keeps going up.
Starting point is 01:06:47 I mean, I reach- It's like my verse dieting, you know, and you just keep doing it. Yeah, I mean, I reached a point when, during the competitive year, like it was, but this last, the last one that I did when I was at the pro level, and I'm walking around it in the high 230s,
Starting point is 01:07:02 fuck, I was eating 5,000 calories. And that's just, it's 5,000 calories day in and day out of fucking white rice and chicken thighs, it's just impossible. It's just not gonna happen without the cheeseburger every once in a while in there or enjoying an ice cream. And you're pushing your body to a pretty, right?
Starting point is 01:07:18 I'm way beyond the healthy rate. This is where I see the main benefit of, and probably why small meals became popular with bodybuilders. This is where I see the benefit of that. If you had to do this, I had to. Yeah, if you're, you know, I'm imagining this kid right now,
Starting point is 01:07:35 is probably somebody who's got a fast metabolism, ectomorph, wants the gain weight, finds it difficult to gain weight, finds it difficult to eat enough to gain weight. This is where small meals may benefit you, because if you're trying to eat, you know, 3,000 calories a day or 4,000 calories a day and you're eating three meals, yeah, that's it. I got 1200 calorie meal each time.
Starting point is 01:07:55 But it's time you get to dinner and you're like, oh, man, I don't want to, I can't eat all this food. So this is where I think eating small meals makes it easier because you're not stuffing yourself three times a day. Now here's a strategy that I found that I found to be very successful. So this is where I think eating small meals makes it easier because you're not stuffing yourself three times a day. Now here's a strategy that I found that I found to be very successful. Rather than eating balanced three meals a day,
Starting point is 01:08:13 I always find it really easy to eat carbs. So I find it like, even if I'm full, I can eat a bowl of white rice and no problem. So something that I would do is, I find know that this meal is gonna be 1200 calories, I'll eat the protein, the fats, and the veggies, and then I'll wait an hour, and then I'll eat the carbs by themselves.
Starting point is 01:08:30 I can always do that, no problem. When I'd stuff it all together and one meal, that's where I'd find like, oh man, this is too much interesting. I never tried that before. Oh, and you know what, here's another thing, added benefit that I've learned from this, and you can find this in Chinese and Arabic medicine,
Starting point is 01:08:44 is that combining starches with fats, they typically recommend against it for digestion. I found this to be true when I eat the white rice. Now for protein synthesis, it's the opposite though, right? That's what they say, but I feel like it's splitting so many hairs, you know? Right. No, I mean, I think it's a cool story. And that's another thing. Because I can eat a bowl of rice by itself. Like who cares if it works at the end of the day for you Like if you find that strategy works because for me that was the hardest thing about getting the 5,000 calories was like Good luck getting that in four meals, bro
Starting point is 01:09:14 That's that's 12 hundred that's 1250 a fucking meal That's a for for four meals. Yeah, you know good luck not spreading that out and that's what I had to do was I think 800 calories six meals or something Yeah, and so that's where I always protein shakes kind of come in right and make them super sweet and Potiable, so I did this the other day, you know I had a protein shake the other day right after my workout and I know that we we don't advocate you doing that right after an intense Workout within the first 30 minutes, especially if you have got issues But here I have I'm I'm behind on calories.
Starting point is 01:09:47 Right after I work out, it's really easy for me to pound a liquid drink. And then by the time I get home shower, I can now have a big meal that's 800, 900 calories, and I'm okay, whereas if I, I don't think about it, I could easily just go home, which is what I normally do when I'm really trying to lean out. When I lean out, I skip that shake
Starting point is 01:10:04 or that meal that would be right there. And I try and stretch out the time before I eat. But when it's the opposite, when I'm trying to build, I'm using any time that I feel like I can eat, I'm going to eat. That's how, because it's so hard for me to get that calurantic. Now, remember that when we have this conversation,
Starting point is 01:10:21 like there's a difference when we recommend and we talk about things about health. And then when we talk about when you're this conversation, there's a difference when we recommend and we talk about things about health. And then when we talk about when you're looking for performance or aesthetics or pushing limits and goals, there's different, you're gonna break some of the rules. Yeah, because it fits for health, I would just tell you to listen to your body. If you're trying to force feed yourself,
Starting point is 01:10:38 that's not ideal, right? But if you're trying to gain muscle and you wanna push your body outside of a particular, like here's the deal, my body, if I just listen to it and kind of, you know, eat the way my body tells me to and train the way, my body will sit around 187 pounds and I'm relatively lean, my body will sit around 9 or 10% body fat. That's about it. If I want to get up to 200 pounds, I have to push it a little bit.
Starting point is 01:11:03 And that's just, you know, that's just a decision that you're gonna have to make. But the mistake that I see to it with, that I made as a kid that I understand now was, I used to use that as a justification to eat whatever the fuck I wanted to. In garbage. And it never resulted in a major,
Starting point is 01:11:22 I mean, I would put weight on it. And so in my head, I thought I was doing well because I'd see the scale go up. But then when I turn back around to lean back out, I would put weight on it, and so in my head I thought I was doing well because I'd see the scale go up. But then when I turn back around to lean back out, I would be like the same person again. I'm like, what the fuck did I do all that for? So don't use it as an excuse to eat what the fuck you want. Target your healthy foods, your whole natural foods first,
Starting point is 01:11:39 and then if you need to use a highly palatable food to help push you over there. I do recommend that. And by the way, if your metabolism is getting so amped that you're finding yourself having to eat four, five thousand calories, do a little cut, put yourself on a cut for three weeks or four weeks. It'll lose some body fat. Yes, you're not going to gain muscle. Yes.
Starting point is 01:12:01 But your metabolism will adapt downward a little bit. And then you'll find that you'll start gaining again when you go back to eating your 3, 4,000 calories. Next up is Sprickers. When will we see reverse dieting enter the mainstream? Any guesses about what bullshit supplement will accompany this event? I don't think it'll ever enter the mainstream because I don't think this is a problem that the mainstream has to deal with. Reverse this is what I don't think this is a problem that the mainstream has to deal with. I think the mainstream does have to deal with this.
Starting point is 01:12:29 They don't give a fuck about it. They ignore it. Well, the average person, you know, I'm thinking like people that I have had to coach and work with reverse dieting are ones that have really restricted themselves, done the crazy dieting. I don't know if that's necessary to enter the mainstream, but if it does, and if there is a supplement company that'll accompany it, the way I predict it would look is it would be a powder, meal replacement powder, and what they would do is they would say, eat like you normally do, and then this is the powder you take for week one, this is the powder you
Starting point is 01:13:00 in and slowly they'll increase your calories. Just to map it all out for you. Oh, that's actually brilliant. That's actually, but maybe we'll do that. Maybe. That'd be the only way. Oh, no, that makes, that means that you're proper dose of calories. Right. No, let's be honest. I mean, that's what I guarantee.
Starting point is 01:13:16 That's what the market would demand or want. They want things as simple and easy as possible. I don't want to have to count my calories attract that. So you're right. Like here you go, here's your shake and basically over the course of eight to 12 weeks, it's a basically 100 to 500 calorie bump in the diet. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I just because it takes all the guests out of it.
Starting point is 01:13:37 Honestly, if that was the case, I think that would be a better choice of a supplement to do that. I think that's kind of a clever, smart thing to do. What I won't be a fan of is like what we see with like all the fasting protocols that you see now with all the branch chanomino acids and the, you know, the anabolic fast,
Starting point is 01:13:55 I haven't seen that kid pop up lately. What's going on with that guy? Do you see him in a while? No, I don't know. Do you know what he guys followed? He's fizzled out. Yeah, I remember that was, I haven't heard anything from that side.
Starting point is 01:14:04 I haven't looked over there in a while, but I could foresee them maybe also, and this would be more of the bodybuilding crowd, is because here's one of the biggest obstacle that I encounter when I try to reverse diet someone, is, but I'm gonna gain weight, and I tell them, well, you're gonna probably gain a little bit of weight when you reverse diet.
Starting point is 01:14:24 So I could foresee maybe a supplement targeting them and saying, hey, while you're reverse dieting, take this product, it'll minimize any fat gain and maximize the metabolism boost. And so what they'll do is they'll put in that supplement fat mobilizer, you know, like carnitine, lipotropics, you know, that help the liver, you know, process or burn body fat. And by the way, this has been around for, I've seen this in some iteration over the last 20 years, it's probably about five separate different times.
Starting point is 01:14:53 And so they'll throw lipotropics, like certain amino acids and certain things that help the fat, the liver metabolize fat. And while you're reverse dieting, this will minimize weight gain and help you speed up in metabolism, so just help the process. I could see some bullshit like that. If I didn't have any integrity, I swear to God, I'd be on the board of some of these
Starting point is 01:15:12 something like companies coming up, all this insanity. But here's a thing with reverse dieting. I mean, reverse dieting, I think, needs to be or should always be combined with resistance training. Because I do see people talk about reverse dieting without that. Yeah, that's just stupid. Just just slowly increase your calories and don't change your activity level.
Starting point is 01:15:34 I've seen people not emphasize the, that you need to send another signal or send a signal to the body that you wanna build muscle and strength. You know what I mean? I've seen that they haven't even said that. They just said, oh, this is all you do. You just reverse diet.
Starting point is 01:15:47 Oh, that's ridiculous. Yeah, because I feel like you have to, because if you have to, you need those calories to go somewhere. Yeah. They're gonna magically just increase your metabolism. They need to go to work. No. I mean, you will get a little bit of a metabolism boost
Starting point is 01:15:58 just from increasing your calories, but not much. And it would make sure you're manipulating leptin and growling and stuff like that. So you're gonna see a little bit of a boost and benefit from that. But as far as long lasting, like you're going to need to put some lean body mass on it. Ideally, the way you would do this is you would, if you're a de-conditioned like inactive person and you want to lose a lot of weight, is I would, the way I would do it, as I'd say, don't change your food intake at all.
Starting point is 01:16:23 Start lifting weights. After about three to four weeks, when you start to see strength gains really come up, then slowly increase your calories, then when you get them to a point where you're comfortable dropping them by about 500 to 700, and you know that that new amount is something you can live with, now you're ready to start dying.
Starting point is 01:16:40 The hardest thing that I had with clients that I had to reverse diet is the discipline to stay true to the whole foods and good food because typically somebody who has to reverse diet or is fucked their metabolism up is a classic bench starver. They bench hard where they eat garbage foods and they just fuck it. They're off the wagon. They eat whatever the fuck they want. And then they have the purge mentality where they don't eat anything. They starve. Star starve the body. So if you could just get those people to just
Starting point is 01:17:09 eat whole natural foods, whenever you're hungry, like, so this is what I tell of worst, I don't like don't restrict. Yeah, we don't even need to get really crazy about calories and how much to mookas people start asking questions like that. Should I move up 100 or 200? And it's like to there's so many variables with people. What works really well is resist the urge to want to go eat fucking garbage. Like you've probably done in the past when you feel that appetite start to kick up, feed the body whole natural foods and wait and strength train. Like you said, because you'll be strength training. And if you're sending that signal to build muscle, it's going to want to.
Starting point is 01:17:40 And you can go ahead and keep feeding it, but feed it good whole natural foods. Like stay away from the process, hyper-palatable type of foods in the garbage, because that's where they get in trouble is trying to fit that into their macros along with their reverse diet. Like get away from the, let's try and follow a macro profile
Starting point is 01:17:58 and fit the types of the foods that I want to put in there because it comes in a wrapper and it tastes good and it's part of my lifestyle. Get that the fuck out of the diet, eat whole natural foods, feed the body when it tells you that it's hungry and strength train. And it'll be, it's crazy. The body will just, the body will naturally tell you
Starting point is 01:18:13 when it needs more calories. We should, we should document a nice reverse diet after the six weeks, after our six weeks. Yeah, that might be kind of a cool thing. You'll have to do one. Just in my shirt. I just say Justin would be the cool one because for me it won't make a big difference
Starting point is 01:18:25 because I'm not going to do a, a, a, a, and I'm doing a hard cut. Yeah, I'm going two, two, two. So it's like I'm going right along. I mean, I'm doing a ramping it up. Yeah, it's that. So it's going to be a pretty hard cut. Yeah, you will be a cool one
Starting point is 01:18:35 because you already, you've already expressed that you're not hitting a lot of calories right now. Yeah, it'll be interesting when you start reintroducing other foods to see if you have any reactions to, you know, anything. Right. Next question is from my Fit Food Diary. What are your thoughts on the keto community's use of keto products, like low carb breads or other keto versions of commonly carb dense foods?
Starting point is 01:18:57 So there's two sides of me that have different opinions on this. The one side of me is, we just find out that bread was keto. Yes. Yes, that keto. Oh, you can just find out that bread was keto. Yes, yes. Yes, it's that keto. Oh, pay the audience. That's right. One side of me, you know, says, oh, this is cool.
Starting point is 01:19:12 It's gonna make it easier for people to stay within the macros that they want and all that stuff. The other side of me is a purist. And this is the side of me that the same opinion I have when I look at the burger patties that are for vegans. Yeah, for vegans. Or the sausage, you know, that's for vegans. It's like, tastes just like chicken.
Starting point is 01:19:29 It's like, okay, you have taken, what you're doing is you're creating a chemical shit storm or a highly processed food to fit within your nutrition profile or whatever this new diet. It'll lead to fuck it, you're gonna. Yeah, here's the way I look at it. They're trying to, you're trying to go keto, but you don't wanna be keto.
Starting point is 01:19:50 A lot of the benefits of going keto for people who find benefits of going keto, and I wanna make sure I say that because it's not for everybody, is the avoidance of these types of foods. And I do understand that they can make, bread-like foods that will fit within, but in order to do that, they have to.
Starting point is 01:20:06 This is the market just trying to fucking feed into your guys' is, feed in your weakness. Yes. It's just a market trying to make money off of you. That's like because they know that. They know a bunch of people that are restreetin' cookies. Yeah. And that is part of the reason why I don't like all that stuff, dude.
Starting point is 01:20:21 It's like, don't follow that then. Follow a diet that's more realistic that you can actually follow. Or who gives a fuck if it knocks you out of ketosis for a day because you had a fucking sourdough bread? Eat it every once in a while. Enjoy it. It's because I hate the like, we have to follow this specific diet.
Starting point is 01:20:38 Like you don't have to follow the keto diet just to a T. Like you don't have to do that. Unless it's a medical reason. Right, right. Okay, exactly. There's exceptions to every rule, but my point is most people that are doing the keto diet
Starting point is 01:20:53 right now are doing it because it's become popular over the last three years. Oh my God, I just heard where was I? Oh, I was in Napa. It's a keto right now. I was in Napa and there was a woman doing the wine tasting or whatever. Obviously doesn't understand what keto keto is and they're giving the samples of wine and the guys, you know, they're handing out like bread and cheese and stuff. She goes,
Starting point is 01:21:12 oh, keto friendly. She goes, no, no, no, I can't have the bread, I can just have the cheese. I'm on a keto diet and she's like a woman in her like, oh my gosh. She's like in her 50s and she's doesn't look like she's ever worked out. And Jessica and I looked at each other like, whoa, does she not understand what Keto is? She just drank three glasses. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, you're drinking rape juice. I was just kiddos friendly.
Starting point is 01:21:32 That's the problem that I have with these diets is they talk about things like that. People don't really understand the science behind it of like, what is it really supposed to be doing for you? And then they combine it and I've told you this, I've ran into this more often than the other way. It's rare I meet somebody that really understands Keto and falls, it probably, it's more common that I meet somebody who's following the Keto diet,
Starting point is 01:21:55 quote unquote, for four to five days of the week. And then on weekends, they enjoy themselves. And it's like you're giving, you have no idea, you're setting yourself up in a way, way shitting your situation by doing that. Then like living in a very more balanced lifestyle every day of the week versus restricting. Let's go. When they go off, they go off.
Starting point is 01:22:14 Yeah, you go off and then your body, you start, you get that little bit of carbohydrate. You got three glasses of wine and now the fucking. Thank God this waffle is keto. I mean, like, again, if bread was invented with grains, bread has always been made with grains. So, and grains are definitely not keto. They don't work with keto, they're carbohydrate-based. When they go to make a bread or something
Starting point is 01:22:39 that tastes like bread, but also be keto, they have to get really fucking creative. And that usually means a lot of things that are. It's of science. Yeah, they usually means things that maybe not so good for you. Now, this may not be totally true with keto breads because I've seen some of them. Although I have yet to see a truly keto bread
Starting point is 01:22:58 because the ones that say keto are typically just lower carb. So you'll eat like a small slice of it and it's 10 grams of carbs instead of, you know, 30. And then you're probably out of key to real ketosis anyway. But this, again, the vegan stuff is the one that really cracks me up because I'll go and I'll see, you know, oh, you got to, you know, you got to try this, this burger patty taste just like meat, but it's 100% vegan. And I flip over the box and there's a million ingredients.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Literally a million because they had they made vegetables taste like meat. Yeah, and if you're so against eating animals, why do you want it to taste like an animal? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. This is what you have a taste like vegetables. Say your camp. I don't want to. He is. Say your lane. Say your lane. I'm not I'm not a cannibal, but I do like my human flavor protein powder.
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