Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 824: How to Get Shredded, Tips to Grow an Impressive Butt, the Pros & Cons of Working Out with Others & MORE

Episode Date: July 28, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi ( organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether to add cardio, cut or restrict calories or add more strength training to get shredded, the pros and cons of working out alone versus working out with friends, how to grow a massive butt and if they would suggest the surgery to a loved one in any circumstance. Does Sal have a great radio voice? The guys discuss who they sound like and first impressions upon meeting each other. (3:56) What does it say about a person if they are intolerant to temperature change? The guys share what it’s like podcasting in their “swamp” of a studio and what they used to do to stay cool. (5:07) Would the guys survive on YouTube in their 20’s?? How people are ruthless in the comment section. (13:06) How the more you educate your audience, the more they appreciate the sport. The importance of a good announcer. (15:30) Brendon Ayanbadejo the “Renaissance Man.” (17:30) The exodus of buyouts or takeovers. The guys discuss the importance of taking care of the people who were with you in the beginning. (21:20) Are we getting screwed from all directions? Using tax dollars to bailout farmers hurt by President Trump’s tariffs is not the way to strengthen the economy. (22:52) A Day in the Life of “mindpumpEnzo.” The importance of building talent and being the brand. (26:01) UPDATE: Mind Pump 6 Week Fitness Challenge. Where the guys are at mentally, physically & MORE. (30:53) Mind Pump Kitchen/Recipe Book in the works?? Time to let them know! (48:24) #Quah question #1 – What would you rather do first? Add cardio, cut or restrict calories or add more strength training to get shredded? (49:44) #Quah question #2 – What are the pros and cons of working out alone versus working out with friends? (1:05:40) #Quah question #3 - How to grow a massive butt? (1:18:27) #Quah question #4 - Would you suggest surgery to a loved one in any circumstance? (1:26:07) People Mentioned: Christina Rice, NTP (@christinaricewellness)  Instagram Tony Romo (@tony.romo)  Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Brendon Ayanbadejo (@brendon310)  Instagram Mark Mastrov Enzo Coglitore (@mindpumpenzo) Instagram Jessica Rothenberg (@thetraininghour)  Instagram Ed Corney Franco Columbu Official (@francocolumbu)  Instagram Arnold (@Schwarzenegger)  Twitter Related Links/Products Mentioned: Trump’s Fake Fix for a Bad Economic Policy Skinny Dipped **Enter the code “MINDPUMP” for 20% off** Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Enzo Coglitore Everly Well **Code “MINDPUMP” for $15 off any test** 3 Best Secrets - How To Make Your Butt Grow (AVOID MISTAKES!) Why Your Butt Won't Grow- 3 Exercises to Wake Up Your Sleepy Butt The Secret To A Great Butt | Mind Pump Media Build Your Butt Bundle - Mind Pump Mind Pump FREE Resources – Everything You Need to Know to Reach Your Fitness Goals Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High-Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates.   Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Brendan I am Badagio. Oh, he did it. I love it. We talk about Trump's terrible tariffs and shitty economics. Trump you moron. Thanks a lot, buddy. We talk about Enzo's vlog.

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or all of the above. Do you find out all the above? Believe it or not, there's a right answer to this. There's a better way to do things. The next question was, what are the pros and cons of working out alone versus working out with a workout partner? We actually got into a strange debate on this one. I'm not sure why we debated this, but it was kind of strange.

We got heated. It was a good debate. I actually sided with Adam on that one. Yeah, of course you do. Yeah, your boy. Third question is, how do I grow a massive butt just and lays down some knowledge on this one? Ass knowledge. These cheeks came in hot.

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Who wasn't? Oh, I think you know. It was somebody who casted a rice. No, it was somebody who had pounded this. What was her name? Yes, because she's actually on the radio, so she knows these things. Oh.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? She said that and I was like, oh, he's got like the, yeah, the radio voice. Yeah. I think that's what she's talking about. That's what I sound like.

No, but I mean, like you'd fit in. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, what she's talking about. That's what I sound like. No, but I mean, like you'd fit in. Yeah, I feel like, what I first heard you, your voice, I'm like, this guy sounds like a stoner, like a stoner surfer. Definitely. But you're not. I know. Yeah, the irony in that, he wasn't even really smoking much when we first started.

Not at all, it's hilarious. Yeah, and then Adam sounds like. Amazing. No, you sound like you say it. You sound like a so hard for you like a 48 year old woman that works out Walmart That's been smoking for like a very change Smoking her way to the end. You know, give me your son like whoa like your name's March everybody Hey, I'll tell you what man. I really appreciate you guys finally Adjusting the temperature for people like me from the Mediterranean. Oh, God. Oh, yeah, it's nice and glad you're happy It's nice and warm and moist in this fucking annoying. Dude, we have to think I it puts me to sleep

I'm be about 30 minutes into this podcast man when it's warm in here. I get all yeah you do. Yeah You do it's pretty funny. It's not funny. It's annoying. It's fun. I do not like to be hot like I'm so That was like the what Katrina shopping for have you gotten better those since you've been using the the infrared sauna and all that has your heat tolerance gotten better Oh, maybe yeah, maybe I don't know. I haven't really I try not hasn't I try to avoid that as much as possible Like I have AC everywhere I go so I try and keep it nice and cool. I wonder what that says about a Person, you know what I mean like if you have a you're irritable when you get hot. Yeah, something like if you have a intolerance to heat or an intolerance to cold Well, you know what that means different things why I get irritated is because it can be solved Like I'm if we're in fucking if we're down in if we're down in Mexico Technology for the day. Oh, exactly if we're down in Mexico. We're out on the beach and it's 110

I'm not complaining on the top to be hot. Yeah, exactly. I'm sucking up the rays man getting in the water Having a great day to the waters right there and join the heat But when I walk into my fucking studio and it's a hundred degrees inside of it that annoys me When I walk into my house and it's a degrees, that annoys me because the technology is there to keep that from happening. Yeah, you know, that's what pisses me off. I'm not like a man, brother. I'm not like, I don't get upset about just getting hot.

Like, if somebody froze it over, huh, is that what happens? No. Do we think that what happens? It was working yesterday. Well, because of thought out. No, it's not happening. It's not happening. It's not happening. We're referring something. Once those things freeze up. They're fucked until you get fixed to you

I'll be honest. I don't even know how an AC work It's just a big block of ice with a fan on it right blowing that cold Yeah, you guys remember those what do they call swamp coolers? Yeah, we had a swamp cool. Yeah, we had a dog my dad. Yeah, so it's so that's like the cheap man's or Totally totally exactly what I mean. You just put it in the bottom of your window. I get to get to do that. Yeah, in the house all day.

Well, so my grandmother and my grandparents, so my family and Sicily from my dad's side, they're not well off. That's just to put it nicely right. They don't have much money. And Sicily gets hot. And when I mean, it's like humid hot and my dad's family lives in Buggeria, which is not a beach town. So it's a little bit more inland. I mean, you could

drive 40 minutes and get to the beach, but you're in this concrete jungle. It's hot as shit. The houses are made out of concrete. And then my grandparents didn't have AC. So when we would go there in the summer, it was like, you ever sleep like naked. It's a squelter fest. You sleep naked with fans on you. Doesn't matter within 30 minutes, the area of the bed that you're on is soaked. Oh, that sounds horrible.

And so what you end up doing to find relief is you move to a different bar of the bed, and then the part of the bed that you sweat on starts to cool off, and then you just go back to it and get the cool wetness. I'd sleep in the tub at that point. Oh, it was, I know my mom hates me talking about like when we were, uh, had less stuff, right?

But we, we, we, I'm trying to make you have less stuff. Get a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting a bucket of the questions. Yeah. We, we used to fucking take cold rags, and you'd put cold rags on your head and on your ankles. So that's like, that was to stay cool in the house

because where we lived, it would be 110 degrees dude, and we did not run the AC. It was dry out there though, right? Yeah, we didn't see that. But I don't give a shit what? If it's dry wet, humid, doesn't matter. If it's 110 degrees in your house, like it's hot inside the house.

Yeah, it's too hot. Like laying on a bed is just awful. Like the sheets are hot, you know what I'm saying? So, see I don't like cold. I can't, although these days, although these days, cold doesn't bother me as much. And I've realized what it is. I think it's when I push my food and take a little bit

when I'm feeling good and I get my metabolism to ramp up, I definitely run hotter. When I eat, just listen to my body, my body tends to settle at lower calories, then I notice I have more of a cold intolerance. You know what I'm saying? Why acclimate a little bit easier to cold? Like, and-

Yeah, you're a polar bear on it. Except, dude, when I went to Chicago, that was, I mean, I had no idea what cold was. And we all say that until you go experience the Arctic fucking like winds that just blow right through your skin to your bone and chill you but like you get used to that too though So I felt like I could handle that any day of the week over like humidity and Relax and oh yeah, you'd rather have freezing cold than humidity. I would. 100% to you guys are not even a both insane.

No, no, so you'd rather live. I'd rather be freezing. You gotta live in Buffalo, New York. There's gotta be something back in the heritage thing, the Viking, you know, like Scottish heritage. That kind of thing. You just will think you're about us. If you.

So you would rather live in like. Oh, it kind of thing. You just will think you're about us. If you, so you would rather live in like, Oh, movie Braveheart. You'd rather live in like Buffalo, New York versus like Hawaii. Well, that's a stupid example. No, that's not even a stupid example. I'm not saying, dude, it's a time of the weather. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Yeah, then you just say the weather. I would rather live somewhere where the weather is like X versus, like you can't compare Buffalo, New York to book Hawaii, book tropical white sand, change my answer book it. Why? You fucking tropical white sand change my answer. So 85 degree bath. Well, that's what I mean. So like if San Jose could have weather like Buffalo or weather like Hawaii, you would choose Buffalo.

I would say more like St. Louis or like a Florida like that. That weather sucks. Like I can't even did really. Yeah. Like the hot humid. I can't even. I think you the hot humid I can't even you know you know what it is it's because of to the environment makes a difference like if I don't have if I'm not right next to water And it's that hot like I just there's some kind of panic that's very simple for me one of them is easily

Controlled the other one is not like I have full control of the cold thing if it's freezing like You know I was lera I could fucking Eskimo up dude I could wrap my head with a scarf and four layers yes whatever it's better than it being in a situation where you can't do anything about it you can only take off so much car feet you walk like inch by inch is no fuck that's like it's like you're at home you're watching the movie it's freezing as

fuck outside you're like ooh I want some ice cream I got to go nobody 15 no many graves ice cream, it's freezing as fuck outside, you're like, ooh, I want some ice cream. I gotta go to 15, many, many graves ice cream, but it's 30 below, right? Whatever, I wanna get something. You're gonna have to take like 20 to 30 minutes to wrap your shit up, go outside. When it's hot, you're just like, don't act like you spend that much time

putting out anywhere. No way it takes that long. It's just, I put all those clothes on. You know what's worse is you can't do anything about it when it's super hot. You can, you can just put on a wife beater and your fucking speed. Again, can't do it, but it's still 110 still you can be in a wife beater and it's in and booty shorts and still sweat your ass off.

Oh, I love it. Right? Oh, I love it. But what's cool about it and freezing weather is you can't you can put enough clothes on to where you can be warm. It's also an excuse to be honest with you. It's an excuse for me to wear like a wife beater all time. It's like that's the real answer. Yeah, because I have the kind of body You know you ever find that article like there's a certain kind of article of clothing that makes form fits you that looks You're best for your body right? So like a wife-beater for me. I think every 16 year old boy figures that out about wife-beater

No, I did listen if you have yeah, it works on you too. If you have, let me put it this way, if you have skinny arms, a big chest and a big back, you're not gonna look good on a wife beat because it covers up the big areas. I'm kinda narrow, my chest isn't that big, I got nice delts and arms, wife beater. It's like a witch in the call, like a powder shop. Okay, I can get on board with that.

I can get on board. Yeah, cause guys with skinny arms are terrible tanked ups. Terrible, yeah, you can. Like those guys look good in sweaters. Yeah, you. Yeah, you can like those guys look good in sweaters Yeah, you know, you know me. I don't look good in your bunch of sweat Remember those old school workout shorts that dudes will with the huge collar cut out Yeah, and like it just like it kind of draped it looks like a man Cleavage yeah, I had a bunch of fucking YouTube trolls pumpkin my arms like really my God

bro like fuck I know they're I know they're not at their best right now I'm that fucking killing it so I know you guys are you guys are literally just trying to be mean I know you guys are super religious and I'm starting to believe in certain things this is the serendipit as part of all of us okay here we go no way in hell

guys like Adam and I, would have survived on YouTube in our early 20s. No way. No, with that kind of shit, we would have fired back, got pissed off, fucking dead shit. It's not even constructive. It's terrible.

It's just fucking asshole shit. And they hit you where it hurts. Yeah, I know. I know, that's what they know how to do that. Yeah, they'll like pick the part of my body that I was insecure about maybe 10 15 years ago Yeah, that would have bothered me and then they do and I laugh Caves you know it's a Shoulders whatever yeah, I did a chest video and look my chest is always

Mipples are weird. Yeah, my chest has always been an area that I that I've focused on and work and if you saw where I started You think I was a genius by how far I've come okay Okay, so people look at me. It's not that big. It's a fucking long way. But, but you know, that's an area that I've always, it's always been insecure about when I was a kid. And I did a chest training video on YouTube. So, because there's like four comments are like, you should have a guy with a big chest teaching this video or why is he?

I'm not gonna listen to him. Well, the irony of that. The irony of that is that that's, that is what, that's the credentials that people want. Like, how funny is that? Like, I wanna do, that's stupid. I'd rather have a dude that's juiced up and fucking full of water that has massive bubbly biceps telling me how to train my biceps.

That's somebody that's actually educated and have been teaching others for fucking years. That's true. Like, that is so crazy to me. It's true. Like, I crazy, Tim. It's true. I don't like, would you rather have Usain Bolt coach you on how to sprint, or would you rather have his coach coach you on how to sprint? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, because it looks faster. To be honest with you, some, many times, not always, okay, but many times, many times the coaches look terrible. They do, but some of the best coaches look terrible. But not only that, but many times the best people in a given sport are the worst people to teach you anything. Oh, I see, you see. You know what I mean?

It comes so naturally to them and they just know how to work hard and they know how to work with their, you know, that's why there's a once-for-since- That's why it's rare that we see pro athletes turn into great coaches. I mean, there's an anomaly. It's like that does happen. They're great in answers.

Yeah. There's a fun. Actually, there that. It does have great an answers. There's a. Actually, funny. You say that. There's a few of them that are awesome. There's a lot of talk right now about Tony Roma, right? And then letting him do more or that at more because he took, he just took over. Grudens job because Gruden now is coaching the Raiders. Oh, yeah.

And they were, they were talking about like, you know, there's a lot of people that hate on Tony Roma the way he announces. I'm a Cowboys fan. So I'm like whatever. I've never been a Tony Romo fan though But I what I love about Tony Romo and the way that Grooton which there's some there's some critics out there Say they talk too much. Just not I actually love Listening to them because they won't just like like regular announcers that are just a regular like a What's his name that's famous that's been around forever? Why can I think just a regular like a, what's his name? That's famous, that's been around forever.

Why can't I think it was named like Al Davis or some, I mean, Al Michaels. Al Michaels. Sorry. I was thinking Raiders, right? So Al Michaels, like, you know, he'll tell you what just happened, right? Where Tony Roma or Grootin will read the,

Oh, they'll predict it. Yeah. Oh, that's fun. Oh, look, he just audible to the left. Watch the wide out to the right right now. Look for a post route. You know, you, oh, that's fun. Oh, look, he just audible to left watch watch the wide out to the right right now Look for a post route, you know, you're like that's cool. So our guy like you a defensive front is there and so they're gonna break down You know what? I love I love the game enough smart Yeah, because I think the more you educate your audience the more they start to appreciate because I know this look I don't watch football or baseball or basketball that much but I I know mixed martial arts and I know Jiu-Jitsu.

And when I hear Joe Rogan, I tell you about it. And what happens? He's got me into mixed martial arts. Exactly, because then the audience starts to kind of understand a little bit about what's going on. We just start to have better fans. You appreciate the ground game. Yeah.

Before everybody get out, oh boo, boo, because you're like ground. But if you got a good announcer who's like, oh watch this, he's trying to slip an arm bar right here. You know, and you're like, oh shit, he just got an arm bar. Now you're more interested in seeing the setup of it. So yeah, so anyways, I don't know where I was going with the whole announcer. Yeah, yeah, I was just talking to you.

I mean, there's some athletes out there do a really good job but there's some of them that you're just like, I don't like boomer-sizing, like I can't listen to that guy. my boy my boy Brennan tried it for a minute. It didn't work out really. Yeah, Brennan was last year the year no You're like a Renaissance man. Oh, he's a he's a I think I think I think I hope I can announce it on there Because I think he's told me he got the oh yeah, can you I'm sure he got the he got paid dude He's got his house. So I'm sure he could talk about it. I don't know, but my boy's so fucking... He is a Renaissance man. He's a rare combination of intelligence, hard work,

charisma, and then just incredible athleticism. You don't find that combination. He's a good dude. And he's a very good dude. You know, great family, it seems like a good dad. But yeah, very, very cool guy, you know what I mean? So very, very cool guy. For sure, self-made, extremely successful on his own right, besides the fact that local boy came from Santa Cruz out by Justin.

Yeah. And he's, man, he's a really good dude. For sure, we'll be somebody who'll be a long-term friend of mine. We've built a really good relationship. Yeah, you got a little bit of a man crush on him. I don't blame him. No, we've both talked about. We got like an equal one going on here. I watched that video.

There's this, there's this, there's what was crazy when we first got to, when we first started, so he, you know, he reached out to me for Orange Theory and there was, there was definitely a bit of clashing at first, which I find almost always happens with some of these, some of the strong personalities. The male friends that I end up bonding with the longest, there is a little bit of this power struggle when you first meet.

He's an alpha. Yeah, oh yeah, you know what I'm like. As we all are, right? So when you initially meet, but what I like about someone like him and like us is you can be an alpha. You get mutual respect. And still not have an ego that gets in the way.

No, yeah. Because a lot of times you have. That's a real alpha. Right. That's a real alpha is confident. A false alpha male or female or whatever is insecure and it's in cocky. And when they meet another real alpha,

they can't mix with them. When two really, really confident, honestly confident people meet, they may have different disagreements and stuff, but then there becomes this mutual respect. 100%. 100% 100% that's exactly what it was. It was like this back and forth at the very beginning And then it was like, okay, I get it, you know what I'm saying? I see I see how you think you I see how you think okay cool And so that was when he gave you a lot of latitude Wisely, yeah, he wisely gave you a lot of right that which I respected that like that He had he had the awareness to go like, you know what? I'm just gonna let this dude kind of do his thing inside my my facility, right?

Even though there's things that we didn't see eye to eye or we agreed on a lot of things He he had this is smarts and intelligence to kind of let me do my own thing which is why I was even there There's no way that you could get me to go work for some corporate franchise-type place and and oh I think all of us are unemployable in that regard. Yeah, it'd be very difficult to work for for that kind of thing. You know I've been meaning to reach out my but they let go of my buddy Mike over there so it's really yeah, you know, I thought he was killing it. This is what happens and you know I feel bad for a lot of the trainers because I told them that like two years ago

This is what will happen you guys are a part of this during the heydays the companies exploding everybody's making fun money When that goes on there's a lot of high-fiving. There's not a lot of like Stress about what you're not doing perfectly or no one's really caring about forgetting this or forgetting that and there's a lot of latitude Within the business right now. And I remember telling them all, like, enjoy this. Make as much money as you can, learn as much as you can, have a good time while you're here. But don't be naive and think that this is gonna be like this forever.

Like, the trainers get paid top dollar there. At some point, they'll want to lower the... They're gonna cut that. Yeah, they'll cut that and they'll want a bunch of robots. Yeah. Is what the land up at wanting. Well, that's what if and when, you know, if OTF ever sells to somebody else, right, that's exactly what will happen to somebody. We'll come in. It's like we talk about this off air, right? We like our business right now. We're in major growth phase, right? And we're exactly there. Now, it's a fun time. It's a fun time to be in an employee here. It's a fun time to be working here. You know, we're growing, we're exactly there. Now, it's a fun time. It's a fun time to be an employee here. It's a fun time to be working here.

We're growing, we're doing better, we're doing better, we're doing better. Then at one point, a business starts to progress and then growth will slow down. And when it does, if you're a company that reached a point where you want to sell, you typically sell right there. And then the new guy or grow comes in and goes,

okay, let's evaluate the entire business. Let's look at all the areas that we're not optimizing and let's do the area. Yeah, we're blowing money. Now, here's the difference. The difference between, because I've seen two sides of this, I've seen the Mark Maastroff who started 25th in this and I saw after Maastroff where they had these big corporate interests or whatever. You see this with other businesses.

Did you book the interview yet? He still has to contact me back. Thanks for reminding me Okay, I'm gonna contact him again But you see this you see this sometimes and the the people I respect the most of the ones that remember They remember and are loyal to the people that got them where they are now I'm that kind of person right we ever get to that point where we sell the company or whatever who knows that could be 15 20 whatever years from now I'm gonna remember all the people that were with us in the beginning and I'm gonna make sure everybody gets taken care of

versus what you sometimes see where they forget, they're like oh, and you saw that a little bit with 24 after Mark left. He took care of his boys, right we saw, they were the ones in the trenches, but then you saw the new guys come in and they didn't know what the fuck was going on and you saw an exodus of talent.

Yeah. So that's the thing. So I wanted to, remember how we had that little discussion about tariffs and how Trump's imposing these tariffs and trying to create this, whatever. Yeah, and trade and trade and trade. And I keep saying tariffs are just attacks.

It's just attacks on shit and it's bad. It's terrible economics. It gets worse. You're gonna love this. And this is why, this is one reason why tariffs get on my nerves. And this is another reason why government is just so inefficient and ridiculous and silly. And how the average American has no idea how this works.

So everybody just blind and just, okay, whatever. That sounds good. They have no idea what's happening. It's just fucking. So here's what happened, right? Trump imposes tariffs on goods from China. And China then retaliates with higher tariffs on US goods. So obviously what happens is American farmers and others start getting hurt from this.

Not to mention consumers are gonna start paying more. How are they getting hurt? Well, because now China's charging more, or slapping stuff on our stuff. So now American farmers, products that are getting exported are more expensive. So now they're getting hurt, also. So it's just war, it's a tariff war. Nobody ever wins this, and the consumer ends up losing every single time.

Now because American farmers are starting to suffer and because they're very organized, and because American farmers have powerful lobbies, especially the wheat, soy, corn, you know, lobbies, which are some of the most powerful lobbies in America. And they already get subsidies. That's subsidies, yeah. People don't realize this, a lot of your tax money goes to, literally just goes to these farmers for free, for whatever reason, because we hooked them up a long time ago.

So now they're complaining. We should do that for kale. Well, now that they're complaining and they're like, hey, we're suffering because now China's raised our tariffs. So what does the Trump administration do? They announced another $12 billion in agriculture subsidies to help the farmers. So now, not only are we paying more for Chinese goods,

more for American goods, or we're losing money because they're getting tariffed. But now we're also getting taxed even more. So we're getting taxed. On top of it. Awesome job. Yeah. Yeah, thanks.

So we're getting screwed. I heard even to the tax relief that we're supposed to get as corporations was paid for by our already existing debt. Oh, yeah, that's a whole nother conversation. But we're basically getting screwed all the way around higher price higher prices on goods You know our farmers are you know our products are getting more expensive as a result of the terrorists a China puts on and we pay higher Taxes for the government subsidies. So it's basically a gang bang. We're getting screwed from all directions

Oh God, yeah, and this is what ends up happening with these types of things. And so, this is what irritates me about Trump is he plays... This is why I hate politics. He plays into the nationalism, so it sounds good. Because he's like, yeah, China and we're going to help our farmers and everybody, you know, because the picture of the farmer in the American person's mind, like, what do you think of when you think of a farmer, right? The red barn right overall Yeah, yeah, like the good old like family. That's not yeah farms don't look like that anymore. It's a massive

You know come machines massive corporation, and they're in bed with with government So there you go, unfortunately, hey if you guys see did you guys see our boy ends? We should give him a plug right here So and so let's get his fucking... What's his name on his YouTube? So, he started a little vlog of like life in the life of Mind Pump Inzo, and he's been vlogging coming to work. He's honorary Mind Pump Inzo now. Yeah, what is it?

He's being smart. I think he's doing it first off. He does those in a day. Yeah. I mean, the kids... Oh, they're entertaining. That last one was really good. Dude, the kid's 17. He does all that in a day. Yeah. I mean, the kids, they're entertaining. That last one was really good. Dude, the kid's 17, he does all that in a day. What is some talent?

I'm looking it up right now. What is the, did you, did you see the, he, this last video he did, the little skinny dipped packets? How can we don't get those ones dug? I want it, they send us the big bags, which I appreciate. But he orders the, it's under, oh it's under. Oh, it's his name. Enzo, uh, cold. No, no, no, no, that's not it. That's not it. No, because that says two subscribers. That's not. Oh, maybe

not. You got to click on the, click on the video that says what it's like to work at Mind Pump Doug. And, uh, no, that's it. Okay. That is it. So it's, so it's, his first name is Enzo. His last name is COG L I T O R E, Coliator, that's a nice Italian one. Enzo is E and CO. But he orders the, you get these little small packets. They look like, did you see the, you guys watch the video, you had it in there. Dude, so he's, so right now I'm also coaching him,

right on the side, I'm helping him with nutrition and training. So you're the one that keeps feeding the skinny dip. No, so he sends me a message yesterday. It's so funny, right? He sends me and he's a smart kid. So he tries to, he tries to, what's the word justify? Yeah, he's smart. He knows what he's, what he's, what he's doing basically. So I'm going to, I'm going to scroll back and said what he says.

And I changed his macros now. I'm putting him on a cut because he's doing this, this six week competition with us. But it's something like, hey, I got I got this you know this craving and I think this will help and you know What does he say real quick? Let me see real quick? He goes it was a snack and it totally helped you know help me out and he goes because I'm I'm really hungry And I'm like, well, you know obviously we know why you're hungry. You're burning body fat Yeah, you're in a deficit. So I'm like I said you're hungry because your metabolism is firing up. I said, but you're uncomfortable with hunger.

And I said, you need to deal with it. Welcome to Big Boy Land. And I'm like, do you want to get shredded? Brace it. I said, then if yes, then make friends of cravings. If no, then let cravings run your life. And so he's like, okay, I'll do it, you know. It's so great.

It's so great, you know. Oh man. But good for him, man. He's smart because he's coming here. He's learning from us. He gets to be in this environment. He's asking us questions about fitness and stuff, which I love and I embrace. I can see, I really enjoy it when somebody is not taking advantage of. That's the wrong word.

But when somebody sees the opportunity and maximizes it, and it- Appreciate their environment. Yeah, like he's maximizing it, you know? Dude, kids on his third book that I've recommended to him since he's been here. Are you kidding me? Third.

He's fucking not- Well, little machines. Kids even been here, what, a month? Wow, maybe a month. Dude, you know, I tell you what, he's, you know, and I hope I'm not putting him on blast or anything, but he's a well off kid. He's got a lot of things going for him.

He's wealthy family, but he is a very hard working kid. He doesn't act like he's spoiled, right? He comes in, he busses ass, and he does shit like this, man. I really like that. I like seeing that. I'm excited to see where it goes. I mean, again, because you could tell he's a hard worker, he's learning right now.

He's reading about all this stuff right now too. Oh, really? Yeah, so he's like, he's learning how to optimize. I mean, again, because you could tell he's a hard worker, he's learning right now. He's reading about all this stuff right now too. Oh, really? Yeah, so he's like, he's learning how to optimize. I have to pay him. Because he's helping, yeah, he's helping, he's helping Taylor. So he reports to Taylor. So a lot of the work they're doing is related to YouTube and optimizing the YouTube channel and the thumbnails and things like that. And so they're kind of, he's, he's been like reading like crazy. And he's the's been like reading like crazy. And he's the one providing a lot of good information

back to both Taylor and Drew to help them out. So, I'm really excited to see him kind of do his own thing what he's doing right now with the vlog. I like what he's doing. To be honest with you, this is the way I prefer to build staffs is to start off with people who are new and then watch them grow and learn within us

and become kind of, you know, become part of the brand versus get, could I just love hiring trainers and salespeople who had talent and who were hungry but who didn't have lots of experience? Yeah. The ones that had tons of experience, this is easier, mold. Yeah, and sometimes the ones with all the experience, it's like training a new recruitment pattern. You know what I mean? Like, if you have a terrible recruitment pattern that you're doing for 10 years Yeah, it's hard to go back and learn a new one

But sometimes somebody comes in with nothing and it's easier to start them off on the right foot, you know Right right martial artists will say this all the time if you go you go do like moi Thai and you're a black belt and Taekwondo They'll say it's harder many times than just teaching a beginner. Yeah Yeah, because you already have like those specific ways of doing it. It's just ingrained in your brain, you know. How's your workout going by the way? Good. I'm doing well with the workouts and the everyday activities and it's starting to kind of pick up to you. Like I was in a dip there as far as like strength and performance. Is it coming back? It's coming back really well.

Oh, you might be just adjusting. I think that's what it was. Where are you doing most of your training? I do most of it at my house now, and then that total shit. Did you put up everything in the rack and everything? Not yet, that's supposed to be coming this week, but I did buy like a trap bar and a bunch of weights and dumbbells.

This is like Rocky versus Drogo or whatever, right? Yeah, this is fucking this guy. You know what, old school boulders and ropes, like when this competition down the mountain, but I'm motivated me even more. I'm Rocky, what the fuck, dude, you're, I walked it. I walked it, no, you're drunk, bro. Closer to the Russian.

I walked in today and I looked at you and your jawline is coming out, dude. Ah, it's coming out, blue. He's in, bro, don't believe it. Lean Ah, it's coming out, Blue Zid. Bro, don't believe it. Lean in, he's doing reverse psychology on you. I'm just keeping it real. You know what I'm saying?

No, I lose my dinner today. Hey, look, you look good, bro. You're doing fine. You're doing fine. You're doing totally fine. You enjoy some cheese this weekend. I'm being honest. I can tell both you guys are fucking changing really quick.

That's the truth. It's kind of fun to see this. You know what I mean? How everybody's kind of getting all jacked and shit. I've been taking bish, it's funny because Adam mentioned like getting made fun of like doing poses and shit. And like I actually was just looking at the mirror

a little too long and then Courtney was like, caught you. Are you done? Yeah. I was like, oh no. Our women are the fucking hardest credit Saturday for sure. Yeah, she don't let me go at all. She busts my balls. I'll tell you what, she is our women, bro. I'm turning into that. Our women are the fucking hardest credit Saturday, for sure. Yeah, she don't let me go at all.

She busts my balls a little bit. I'll tell you what, she is a saboteur. I feel like you guys are paying her off. Oh, what does she do? Oh, she dude, she gets like this every time I have, she like hates when I, when I die at her. Like really, like I've figured it out. Like she just really does not like hanging out.

Cause I get irritable the first week or two And I'm not like real fun to hang out with and so she tries to just fuck with me the whole time So she made like she made like this amazing looking cheesecake, you know All this stuff like fucking cheesecake you never even made that for me He made a cheesecake That's our first time ever First I see oh my god, and she got sit like some like five six star review thing and You know the kids are just oh my god mom is amazing, you know gives it to the neighbor like is the best thing I've ever had

And like she's like there's one man. Oh my god. It's fuck out here. Oh wow. Oh, it was dirty So you can do me dirty instead my girl is girl is like, she's a pain in the ass because I'll do something, I'll eat something. And she'll be like, is that part of your thing? Are you supposed to be doing that? Or how does your gut feel when you do that? Are you sure that's a good thing to do stuff? That's contriving.

I'm like, oh, you know what I'm trying to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is tough, yeah. Oh yeah, of course, same thing, you know. Are you set part of your plan right there? That's what I was saying. Yes, it's part of my plan. It's count it in.

Yesterday was my first day doing consistent three trigger sessions. And like fucking magic, I swore to God, do by the third trigger session, like two reps and I get a pump. It's like, I can feel it right away. They're so awesome when you do them consistently. Absolutely love them.

Yeah, they're legit. I am excited to do the old school maps and a ball of style work. I haven't done it fully like that in a long time. I'm surprised you switched to that. I thought that was kind of crazy. I thought that was a unique move of yours. Well, I did split.

I like that. I followed split for about five or six weeks. But I, you know, here's a deal. Like I had to change it up so I could go back to my bread and butter, to the way I know my body. Really responds. But if I stay on, you know, this maps and a Balox style training forever, to my bread and butter, to the way I know my body, really responds, but if I stay on this Maps and Obolic Style training forever,

of course, I gotta switch it up, right? So I switched it up to split, which is very different. And so now, back on the Maps and Obolic style, it's abbreviated, because it's kind of individualized. And every time I do it, my body just responds that crazy, especially the trigger sessions, kind of blows me away. How about you, how about you, Dutraine yesterday?

Yeah, no, I've been consistent, man. Real consistent. You're looking good, too, man. Yeah, you say that, but I took my first bathroom selfie yesterday. I haven't seen you for sure, though. Yeah, not so good. That's so good, not so good. I mean, I feel like I just got this pool of estrogen

around my fucking waist. Just a pool of estrogen like around my fucking waist. Just a pool of estrogen. That's quite the visual. That's what it feels like, dude. You're getting the side cakes going on. It just gives, like squishy. It's really, it's interesting to me.

Like, bro, it's natural. I'm telling you store body fat differently. Oh yeah, well, I mean, natural or not, I think it's more being low testosterone and higher estrogen which is also why I still battle right now with the you know the gynecumastia too is like I think that you know a combination of the low testosterone higher estrogen levels is giving me that with what I'm dealing with that and then also the way that my body is storing body fat so but do you mean for me like it just started though,

you know what I mean, it's gonna show up and about. Well, I really haven't just started. That's, you know, Katrina said the same thing to it. I'm like, I don't know why you guys think, I haven't stopped. I just, what you guys see me doing is ramping volume up in intensity. Yeah, but I've seen more changes in your body

in the last four weeks, three weeks, then in the previous five. Oh yeah, you know, that's what I mean by you just started. What I mean, you just started. Yeah, my body just started, the way I look at it is my body just started finally responding. That's what I mean. You know, it's finally responding. And so, because I knew before, I couldn't ramp up

the volume and intensity because my body wasn't responding. I would just be working against it. Like at that point it was about health and trying to get hormonally balanced. Trying to mean like control the damage. Yeah, that's all, that's the way my training looked for the last six months. And so now that I feel like it's somewhat responding

and it is responding, but it's still not responding like I would like it to. Like I was telling you the other day on the podcast was, you know, I'm used to, if I am like really dial, like I'm telling you the day on the podcast was, you know, I'm used to, if I am like really dial, like I'm staying right where I need to be nutritionally, I'm putting the work in, I'm progressively overloading, like I'm doing all the things that I need to do,

I literally can see like change day to day, you know, like just very subtle, you know, I'm saying for the average person probably can't, but because I'm so used to critiquing my physique like that, and paying attention to all the numbers and tracking. I can look and weigh and see and look and go, okay, like, nice, I'm right on pace, I'm right on pace, where here it's a little bit different right now, you know, right now it's

I feel like, you know, we'll see, like the way I'm trying to do it is I'm going to take these snapshots every week and then review it at the end. How do you do that same time, same time of the day, same mirror, same lighting, same pose? Yeah, yeah, you know, like it's for me, right? Even the ones I used to post way back in the day on my Instagram, I never did it like, I never did it after a pump and filled all carb, I mean, I did examples for people way back when,

but you know, when I do it, I do it so I could compare. Like I want, and so I don't want to manipulate all those things to look cooler in the picture. So, you know, it's do it, I do it so I could compare. Like, I want, and so I don't want to manipulate all those things to look cooler in the picture. So, you know, it's a, it's a basic picture of myself. It's a, you know, I do it typically like around four o'clock in the afternoon. After I get off of work, I come home and, you know, I had the same amount of meals and it's just me standing

and I do a front shot and a back shot. And that's enough for me to kind of see. I talk about my back as my North Star. So for me, the most consistent thing that I can see change and is my back as my nor star. So for me, the most consistent thing that I can see change and is my back. So I like to use that more than anywhere else. I've noticed like with my stomach, you know, certain foods I could be inflamed a little bit,

that could throw off the look where when I turn around and I look at my back, I can look at my back and tell if I'm making the right progress. You don't store much on your front midsection. Yours is more on the side or back. Yeah. You don't really store that front belly. I'm all front belly.

Like all there. If I get, if I get any body fat, I'll get the, I'll be the lean arm dude with the big belly. It's just how my body stores it. Yeah, I kind of like that too though. I get a little pooch belly too. If I, if I, You have to push it though.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly. I mean, if I'm really falling out of shape, which right now, we just did their tests. I'm in some of the worst shape I've ever been in. I've been worse. I was worse before we started Mind Pump and I did the whole journey from- What about strength?

How's your strength feeling? That is actually what I've been really happy with. So when we first started- To me is the best sign. To me, that's the best sign. Yeah, well, that's what's got me the most excited was, other than the stupid pull that I did with the back because I was getting so excited with my strength.

I pulled over 400 and then also I'm repping in. I'm like, oh shit, okay. I've got my strengths coming back and then I hurt myself. But I'm back to being able to incline press over 225, which is good weight for me, you know, and especially being that I know that I'm 100% natural because I can imagine if I was... That's really good. Right, so if I'm incline chest pressing over 225, that's solid for me, and it's taken me a while to get back up to that. I remember when I was just doing the whole maintaining my health, you know, I was working out with 135, like it was challenging, so I was that weak.

Yeah, no, my strength is doing pretty good right now. Although I've always pushed my strength, but I can feel like I've been pulling every week, I've been pulling in the load of mid-fives, which is for me, that's not bad. Although I need to take a little break on the heavy dead left today, I could tell, it was a harder, I pulled five, when I pulled five 10,

and it was more of a grind than it normally is. So I'm gonna do a little bit of a back off and maybe use the trap bar next week. But strength, so for me, it's strength, my pump, vascularity is what I'll pay attention to. And then in terms of getting lean, my arms and shoulders pretty much always look pretty lean. It's my right, near my belly button area.

That's where, for whatever reason, I think it's just store Bifant and One Damn area. So that's the part, when I start to see that go down, I know that I'm... That's where I'm the same way. Like I have this, and I can tell what I'm driving, right? So when I'm driving, I'm kind of... Oh, just a little...

Yeah, like I can, if I can get a hold of something, like I got work to do. And then it'll get to a point when I know I'm really and where I just get skinned there. What time I'm grabbing Ab, Ab and skinned, and that's it, then I know like, okay, now I'm where I wanna be. You know, I know you are.

You and I are probably the taking the most supplements out of the three of us. Justin, are you taking anything right now? Are you using anything right now? I'm trying as hard as I can to keep a just steak, but I... he's taking steak protein because are you are you even allowed to use like I mean is it or I mean I think you're gonna do it the fuck you want but are you are you

technically not like if you were to use like the green juice from organifier the red juice from them would that be like not carnivore like you can't do you you're not supposed to do that I mean, yeah, I'm just trying to, like if I have anything that's like over three grams of sugar, like I'm not, like I'm trying as much as I can to avoid, like so whether I'm drinking something or like I've had, so none of the juices, but you could do like turmeric, right? Yeah, so that's what I have have done actually,

some of the turmeric just for the inflammation, but other than that, I mean, I'm not like initially, I was inflamed. I think, once I, I started really ramping up again and like trying to lift heavy and was just eating a lot of meat, like, I mean, I was pretty fucking sore. And so I was using the turmeric to help with that. But now that's sort of dissipated a bit. And so I'm just, I'm actually not too sore now, going through everything. And I got my energies kind of coming back naturally. So at some point though, like to keep my calories kind of like,

you know, at maintenance at least, like I may start reintroducing vegetables and doing that and then coming back to carnivore towards the end. So I started doing my post workout, anabolic cholesterol shake. I started doing that yesterday. And I'll just do protein powder. So I use the organified vanilla.

And I don't necessarily recommend this because there's always a risk of salmonella. Although the risk is very, very small. I'd just like to recommend this because there's always a risk of salmonella, although the risk is very, very small. You know, this is on your own, right? This is up to you, so you can't blame me if you can't say it, but I'll throw in, you know, four to six raw egg yolks in the shake, and I'll blend that thing up, and I get my post workout cholesterol and protein from, and protein from the protein powder.

And if I don't do that, then I'll do chicken liver and I'll have that post workout. And I'm telling you dude, cholesterol with some protein post workout is fucking magic. And it's, at some point it's gonna be in a cell. I was thinking about doing something like that for breakfast. Like I grabbed the protein from organified.

I've been contemplating on whether or not to do like up my breakfast with a shake like that. I know that it might be a contradiction. Well, you've been corn of or now for almost a week. Yeah, I would go two or three weeks and then do it because you're using this as an elimination. I'm still eliminating, yeah, exactly. So you want a base line Yeah, you want a baseline.

So then we throw it in. You can see if you have any reactions to any of the, you know, the vegetables or plants that are in there because it is a plant. Yeah, I may introduce, yeah, with the green juice or protein powder. So I've had a lot of people ask me kind of like, whoa, and I'm tracking now.

So I'll try and remember to share kind of a weekly update since it's been a solid week now that I've been tracking like all my macros and where I'm falling on my fat secret is, I'm falling between 2,800 and 3,200 calories so an average of 3,000 calories. Not bad. It's where I'm at and my ratio, my breakdown of carbs, fat and protein is, I'm at 25% carbohydrates,

48 to 50% fat and then 27% protein. So that's the breakdown of my fat secret, looks like right now. And that wasn't like really planned, I'm not like, it's just where it's falling. Yeah, it's just where it's falling right now. I've slowly kind of started to reintroduce more carbs. And what I see is the carbohydrate intake will start to increase more than that. Where are you getting all your fats from? So bacon, tritibs, steak. Fatty meats, fatty meats.

I still, I incorporate two butter with like, when we do our vegetables, olive oil, avocado. Yeah, those are probably my main sources. I really don't have to chase fat. Like it's pretty easy for me to incorporate it. This was really something I got from Sal. It wasn't for the longest time. I just never ate fat with vegetables.

It seemed counterproductive to me. If I'm eating vegetables, it's healthy, clean, and lean. I shouldn't be adding a bunch of calories to it. It actually makes it really enjoyable. It's an easy way for me to bump fat naturally. And so, you know, we... What do you do? Do you do solvoil?

Chewing solvoil or butter or something? Yeah, we do more butter, like so one of my favorite things that Katrina does right now. Here's one for you guys is we take spinach, portobello mushrooms, and onions, and a tablespoon of butter and you saute it. Oh yeah, we had that, didn't we have that at the house? Yeah, you guys tried that. That was on the steak or with the steak.

That was silly. That was really good. I ate it with everything now. It's so, it's so, it just did sound like. Well, the Portobello mushrooms, Portobello mushrooms are already kind of juicy and have good flavor and then they suck up all the butter. And then the butter and the pan

is enough to get all the spinach kind of wet, and so it's like, that is my go-to green right now. You know what I've been doing is I'll get baby bok choy, and I'll saute it with a bunch of ghee, and then I just put powdered garlic and maybe some red pepper flakes and salt and pepper. And that's it. And it's fucking amazing.

It's so good. Who cooks more at your house? You or Jessica? Depends who's home first. Really? Oh, yeah, it really doesn't matter. We're both pretty, I mean, she does a better job. She's definitely more versed at cooking than I am,

but we're pretty simple. Like we like basic food. You cook like, I mean, you cook like we cook for sure, where we're pretty simple. Like we like basic food. You cook like, I mean, you cook like we cook for sure. We cook for health first. Yeah, so Katrina and I are always, I mean, I shouldn't say we, she does most of the cooking. I don't really do much. He's saying we do a lot of planning scheduling.

Yeah, we do a lot of organizing. No, it's me. Let's be honest, I don't really do any of that. But I do, I mean, I help pick it out. How about that? So I have you know I have Well, you know actually actually what she leans on I do she leans on me for the the macro bright down on it right to tell her like Okay, that's cool That's something we can do that works or you can have that or like don't have more than that in there

And so she kind of she'll go look hunting for recipes that you know She likes to put together right now. We're doing one of my favorites to and And I won't be able to give you all the stuff that it is, but she makes this like, what's the vinegar, the BCA vinegar, what's you call the can? Oh, brags. Yeah, brags. She uses that. I've never used it. Oh, man, she makes this amino acid vinegar.

That's funny. Well, so chamber says that on the so check out check out the, it's the apple cider vinegar. Yeah. So it's, if you try one of my meals, I have two meals I brought today and it's bison, and then she puts that stuff with mushrooms, onions, and I wanna say garlic and something else, and she puts in the blender,

and then she pours it in with the bison, and it gives this really good flavor of the bison and then she takes a sweet potato and we mash it. And the sweet potato mashed mixed with the bison ground and that kind of like. Oh, that sounds good. Oh, it's bomb. And then it sounds good. And then some green beans in there.

You can have Justin over. He'll just eat the. I know. I know we've been getting in here bison. This, you know, since we're on this kick and this always starts, it always creates a lot of creativity in the kitchen for Katrina and I during this time are getting for Katrina. During this time, I want to get with Doug,

since I think Doug's the other one with the plethora of recipes over there and create a damn recipe book. We've been talking about this forever and we always get people hammering us for it. We need to start like keeping that be awesome. I literally have zero contribution to that. Meet that's why this diet made so some of my sense to me. I'm like the one thing I can do is barbecue.

That's it. It's funny because we were, I don't remember where we were driving. And we were talking about the contest and Justin was laughing. He was like, it's another thing I need to think about He's like, I need now I need to think about this fuck. So it's like perfect. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I gotta keep it simple, man Life has too much stuff in it Exactly. Yeah, good deal This quas brought to you by Organify

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Is she back? No, she's a fan of mind pump. Carmen Alessa's Dennis. Tell me you guys love Carmen Alessa. That was everybody. That's what everybody. She was fantastic. We were 15, 16.

I had her poster. Sorry, Deb, go ahead. I know where she is. All right, Carmen Alessa, as your challenge of getting strategies going on right now, would you rather add cardio to your cut or restrict calories more or maybe even add more strength training? Great question.

When somebody is starting wants to embark on a Get Lean journey, which one should you start with first? Well, what's the most popular idea out there? Yeah, go do cardio. Yeah, yeah, everybody's like, I want to answer almost everybody's. Which is the absolute opposite for me. It's the last place.

Always. It's the last place to go. It's the easiest variable to manipulate and change. So that's why I make it last. Why do that when you don't need to do that yet? I'd rather try and manipulate my volume in my training or my macros and my calories. Well, sometimes I do have to admit,

I've learned things from you guys, and this is definitely in that arena because my go-to back in the day was to do it all at once. Yeah, right. Oh yeah, this and this, all three, all three. That's everybody though. You know what I'm saying? That's not just you though. You know what I'm saying?

That's not just you though. I was the same way to I think everybody is like that, right? It's just especially, especially if you have a competitive personality, like if you have a competitive or an athletic mentality and you approach getting lean like you do playing a sport or competing at something, that's how you compete, right? You give it everything you got.

Like I'm gonna give everything, but this is science and human physiology and nutrition. The smarter ways to do it. It's also, you have to learn. It's also just human behavior. Like here's the thing, like the odds that you're going to stick to something consistently long term and maintain whatever results you get

are much lower when you start out doing everything all at once because what we have to understand and I'm going to get into which one actually works better as well but we can't separate what's most effective from which one is most likely to be done because of human behavior. You can't separate the two because people always do that. They go, oh, we'll study show that this works best, but as a trainer, I know that doesn't work best because people aren't. This one's going to stick. No one's going to be able to do that long-term. So what you need to understand is when you're trying to change your body, unless you want

to change it and you don't care if it goes back toward it as now, if you're trying to change your body for the long-term, what you're really doing on a fundamental level is changing fundamental behaviors that you have, right? You're trying to change things that are very important, or at least that take up a large party life, like eating. Okay? Everybody eats every day. Everybody eats several times a day. Food, surrounds, parties and culture and events and context and all these different things and we're surrounded by food. So changing how you eat is a big fucking deal.

It's a very big deal. It's like changing your job and moving to a new place. It's literally like that. It's a massive change. So that's number one. Becoming more active, well, that's another big change. You are now adding something that you hopefully are going to maintain for the rest of your life to your life

that you weren't doing before. That's a fundamental change in your behavior. And then of course, how you feel about exercise and how you feel about yourself. So you're two, really the two general ways that people go about this and one is more popular than other unfortunately is everything, but the kitchen sink all at once,

which good luck trying to stick with that behavior, with all those changes, all at once. And the other way is to do it slowly. And what I mean by slowly, and this is different from person to person now, and I wanna be clear here, some people can make more changes than other people, and it can stick,

and other people have to take smaller changes. What you have to do is you have to ask yourself the following questions. What is a change that's gonna challenge me, but I also know simultaneously something that for sure I can do, right? So you wanna challenge yourself a little bit, otherwise it's worthless, not gonna mean anything.

But you also wanna make sure it's something that for sure you know that is something I'm gonna stick to. And then do that, and then when you're doing that, and that becomes like a part of your life and it's like second nature, then you add to it. That right there is the formula for long-term success from both the behavioral standpoint, but also just pragmatism.

It's actually what has always worked for my clients. Now in terms of what works for your body, here's a deal. You start adding a shit ton of cardio right out the gates. You will notice a change in body weight right away, but you're gonna do a lot of work for that fat loss and your body will learn to adapt to it and you'll plateau very, very quickly. Your metabolism will start to adjust

and then you gotta do all that hard work to keep your body weight where it's at. And the only way to lose more is to add more and you know where that goes. At some point eventually you're in this shitty situation where I've had so many clients like this where, you know, they come to me and they're like, oh, I need your help and I'll ask them,

well, what are your activity levels? Well, I started running, you know, three months ago and now I run, you know, eight miles a week and I lost, you know lost 12 pounds initially but I have another 20 pounds to go. Do I just add more running? I'm like, well, how's the running going for you now? Well, it's difficult to get into my life and I'm not really enjoying anymore.

I'm like, okay, we got to back out of that because that is not a formula that's going to work. So that's always tends to be my advice. Funny because I'm working with someone right now, good friend of mine, who I've known for a long time. And she's been the kind of person that's always tried to lose weight like this. Like she'll do tons of cardio and severe calorie restriction.

And so I've slowly been backing her out of that, adding resistance training, slowly bumping her calories. And she's very afraid of weighing herself. And oh my God, I feel like I'm getting fat and I'm trying to, you know, I'm coaching her this whole way and Jessica's working with her too. And Jessica's excellent with coaching people through that period or whatever.

And so the other day, she's like, I couldn't help it. I had to get on the scale because I just felt so fat. And you know what she found? She lost the pound. And it blew her mind, completely blew her mind. And she's eating a 300 calories more than she was eating before. So here's what I typically do with people. And what I do for me is different because I'm not coming into this as a beginner or somebody

who doesn't have a lifestyle of fitness. When I get a beginner, first thing I do is add strength training. That's it. It's the first thing I do. We're gonna do strength training. We're gonna do two days a week or three days a week. We're gonna build some strength, build some muscle, speed up your metabolism.

I want you to keep your calories the same. Then the next thing I do is I don't change your calories. I just try to slowly change the types of foods that they eat. So rather than saying we're cutting or adding calories and that stuff, I'll say okay, let's try adding some vegetables. Let's try reducing some of the processed foods. Let's start changing the types of foods that you eat because we know that whole natural foods tend to suppress your appetite, at least in comparison to processed foods. And you just start

to feel better. Then the next thing I do is I slowly increase calories as I get stronger. And then when I feel like we're at a good place, that's when I start to cut calories. And I still don't add cardio. That happens later on towards the end. Well, when you when you throw three different variables in like this, like I can make a case in an argument for each one, right? It's so, for example, if you're somebody who, you know, actually tracks and knows how much you move throughout the day, I would address movement, right?

So like if you know that I only step 4,000 steps every single day, then one of the easiest things that I can do to start heading to the other right path is to start to encourage more needs. So I take you from 4,000 to 6 or 8,000 steps a day, not cardio, just moving more. That's that person. But what if this person is somebody who is already moving 15,000 to 20,000 steps or maybe even was doing cardio three times a week? Well, I absolutely don't want to mess with that because that's something that they're already doing in their life and they're already pushing it. There's not a lot of room to push it more. So I would totally leave that alone. Going to the calories.

If you're somebody who's been coming off of a binge and you've been eating like crazy and you eat lots of fast food and high calorie foods and you eat a lot of junk food and you're up to four or five thousand calories a day, well I could have potentially adjust those calories to have you reduce and come back down the other way. So that person I would go that way.

So now if you're somebody who's been strength training already for a consistent amount of time, well then adding more volume to that may not be the best thing to adjust. So there's going to be variables to who you are, there's going to be different answers for every person you're talking about. For sure though, cardio is the last thing. And this is again why I think we we're always coming out and saying this about Cardio's not that nobody does it or we don't see it. We're not anti-cardio.

It's just that it's really the last place that most people should go when it comes to reducing body fat. There's many other things that we can address, you know, i.e. macronutrients, calories, neat, training. And you said strength training, but it could be a different modality of training, right? So maybe you're a strength, you've been strength training, you've been following like a MAPS and a BOLC phase one type of program, or you follow like a power lifting type

of routine, and you've been doing that for a while. And I'm saying, well, one of the great best things that we could do to start to see change in your bodies to put you on a completely different type of adaptation. Since you send like a M a maps performance type of a program would be incredible for this person. So, and their body's gonna see change and start to try and adapt.

So, it really depends on the person and where they're currently at as where my advice goes as far as to get shredded. The bottom line is the goal is definitely not to throw the whole kitchen sink at it at the very beginning. Not when you have six, eight, 10, 12 weeks to get there and you want to, like Sal said, keep it off for the rest of your life. You know, this is a total different answer to someone comes and says, Adam, I haven't been

doing any of these things. I got Vegas in two weeks. What do I do? Well, I'm fuck, I guess you can throw everything out. Throw the whole sink at it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's going to get busy. Right, it don't fucking matter. Now, you know what I'm saying? can throw everything out. Throw the whole sync at it. You know what I'm saying? Like, is it gonna get busy? Right. It don't fucking matter.

Now, you know what I'm saying? You got two weeks. You haven't been eating well. You haven't been doing anything with your calories. You haven't been training correctly. You haven't been doing any cardio. You know what sucks about that? Does somebody listening right now? That's like, oh, that's the fast way to do it.

That's what I want. Right. Well, here exactly, but that person, I'm talking to a person that has one to two weeks. But if you're just a normal person who's got plenty of time, or you've got the ability to plan this out into it correctly and you actually want to keep your results and maintain it long-term, then you actually want to be very strategic

about how you implement these things. Plus, it also gives you an opportunity to implement one or two variables like the strength training and changing that up or just changing the macros or just changing your need and seeing how the body responds. It'll teach you a lot about your own body and what's different about it.

Like, you know, for maybe for Justin, you know, adding a bunch of neat into his life doesn't really make a big difference to him, you know? But maybe for Sal or me, maybe that makes a huge difference. So, you know, it's also learning about your own individual body because as much as we can say, you're talking about the science of, you know, what's the most quote unquote ideal approach to this,

there's always going to be variables and less is more in this situation. So, changing less things and sticking to it and being consistent is better off than throwing a bunch of things at it in hopes that something works. Absolutely. I mean, for me, right now,

what cardio is what I'm gonna add for the last two weeks of this six-week challenge? I'm waiting to the last two weeks. I'm gonna throw in some cardio. And the last week, I'm gonna do more cardio than they did the week before. And that's how I'm gonna use it. I'm really not doing cardio.

The only thing I'm doing now is I'm just aware of my activity. So I may get up and move a little bit more than I normally do, but it's not something, I like to save that, like to save that for the very end. And plus, here's a deal with cardio. I notice results with cardio for about two or three weeks, and then it doesn't do anything for me. Anyway, you know what I said, you're saying too,

like I'm kind of going against a little bit of what I would have planned for myself as far as I'm going a bit on the extreme side just as an excuse to like, I was going to do this anyways, an elimination diet to add that into the mix. But if it was just up to me, there was like two major things that could have just cut out and had massive result from, and that's cheese and alcohol. Like those two things have made their way into rotation, you know, like on a weekly basis. And I realized like if that was like two variables

right there that I could just, you know, easily, like easily adapt to like in my lifestyle, that would have been a way better answer, because then two, now my workouts wouldn't be as affected, which now I'm like, I'm sort of dealing and navigating through that and kind of on my way back. But yeah, like that was a little bit of a setback, but you know, that's the thing when you start really hammering your body from all different angles You're gonna have to account for overcoming all the things. I don't think I've ever I can't think of a client off the top of my head That I've worked I've been doing you know 20 years right 20 years of training. I can't think of a client that had long-term success That did everything all at once in the beginning. I don't think I ever saw that or if I did it's you can't

You just I don't know anybody. It just doesn't work that way. I can't back, man. Well, because it's inevitable if you go from not doing all these things to doing all of these things. Too much. It's, there's a reason why you weren't doing a lot of those things before, right? You, like, like this.

It's just a drastic radical change. Like cardio restricting calories and then strength training hardcore, right? So if you go from not doing any of these things to working your way up as fast as you can, to working out every single day, to training really hard and intense, to restricting calories, and then also doing cardio as much as you possibly can,

like yeah, the ramp up to that will be the fastest change you'll ever see in your body for the first one to three weeks for sure because of all those variables But then when you hit that three week mark from then on it's going to progress is going to be Unbelievably incremental and small and then at one point life fucking reminds you that you have other things to do in life Like oh shit. I have a job. Oh shit. I have a family. Oh shit. I have a life and friends. I want to do other things to do in life. Oh, shit, I have a job, oh, shit, I have a family, oh, shit, I have a life and friends, I want to do other things. Oh, fuck, how do I do that with seven days a week of strength training and five to seven days a week of cardio and never getting to eat?

And never having learned how to make that a part of your life. Because it's just through it all at once. It's funny, if you compare groups of people doing those two things, one group doing it slow, one group doing it fast, if the competition was five weeks or four weeks, you'd see faster results in the person doing everything. You stretch that out to 12 weeks and 16 weeks and longer, you start to see the other group pass them up and then stay there.

And that's the thing, even when I trained Doug, when Doug was a wonderful client, ideal client, he's kind of person, if you see it, you actually did what he said. He'll do anything you tell him, right? He came to me and almost anything. Yeah. He came to me and it was like,

you know, he's like, how many days a week are we gonna work out? Cause he's super morally pressed you on that. Yeah, totally. And I'm like two days a week and he's like, okay, and that's what we did. And what should I do with my nutrition? Well, start slowly and I tell you what, dude,

the guy within six months, it was like six months two years made one of the most radical changes you could ever see from having back pain to be able to deadlift, you know, over 400 pounds and having a six pack at like 47 years old. And it was, and we took that slow approach, even with someone like Doug who was willing to do whatever and was very motivated. Next question is from David K. Silva. What are the pros and cons of working out alone versus working out with friends?

Definitely different. It's definitely different, either one. I work out currently with Jessica. What I enjoy working, the things they enjoy about working with Jessica are, first off, I enjoy spending time with her. We like to hang out, so that's fun. She watches my form. I watch her form. She keeps me in check and vice versa. So and this is another thing too. I've worked out with

women as fit as workout partners in the past as well. And the thing about, and you know, about working out with a woman, I'm probably going to be stronger than her, which is good because it eliminates the tendency to want to lift heavier than her, which is good because it eliminates the tendency to want to lift heavier than my workout partner because I'm already going to lift heavier. So I'm a little smarter about what I do. And then on the flip side, I can tend to push them a little harder in terms of challenging them with the weight. So I really enjoy those things about working out with Jessica.

But when I also... This is why he's gonna lose no No, I mean She's hard core man and she keeps me very consistent, but when I work out alone Working out alone is very I can be very intense very focused and in a special Special zone it's like this. Hey, would you like to go for run and have someone on your back? Or would you just to go for run Which one's gonna be easier for you like you see carrying somebody else or having to help? Working out with someone else fucking sucks. Yeah, it depends if you have to carry them But if they work out with you there is there is there is there is in my opinion

There's little to no benefit working out with somebody else you the one time that you decide you never had a workout partner Of course I had no that was decided. You never had a workout partner? Of course I had. No, that was like. I had awesome workout partners. I guys that pushed me when I was in my 20s and I did that whole thing for a long time and I thought that that's what I wanted to do but that a lot of that thought process was wrong.

Like I was chasing what, a lot of these young kids are chasing when they lived which is purely intensity. Somebody else to yell in my ear and tell me five more and push me to the next level. I don't like that. And maybe when you're first starting, if you got somebody who has been doing this for a really long time and you're still learning like mechanics, like so I could see value there. So let me backpedal a little bit. If you have somebody

who is just starting off and you're very insecure about the training yourself because you don't know if your form is good and you have a friend who has got better form than you and then he can help tell you or she can help tell you, hey, you're, you know, chest up, retract your shoulders more or oh, you're rocking towards it. Like that stuff is all good. Like, but once you get to a point

where I like to think we're the level we're all at, where nobody is going to look at my form and tell me something I don't already feel and know is off. If I do a squat and my weight shifts to the balls of my feet at all, I know it before the person watching me knows it. I'm that aware of how I move. I don't need someone else to tell me that. The only other place that there is a place for another person in my workout is if I decided that day I'm going for a single rep max, which is once in a fucking blue moon ever for me.

So that's the only time. Otherwise what ends up happening is I vibe off of their energy and I end up going doing what I did the other day. You want to use it in the influence? doing what I did the other day. Which you didn't influence. Her hurt myself. Or what ends up happening is I allow, which this is what it would annoy me with working out with other professionals and other trainers, is each guy or girl has their thing they wanna do. Like, oh, I wanna do this.

Well, I wanna do that. Oh, somebody has to be the leader. It's like, no. Someone has to be the leader. I know what I wanna do, because I wanna do something. Well, then you have to do everybody else's workout for them. Right, and you know that point.

So to paint the ass. Like yesterday and today is a perfect example of this. Like I called an audible on myself last night. Like last night was going to the gym to do back, buys and tries. And so I, and I get there and walk you on the treadmill, working, doing my knee kind of thinking about my workout before I go do it.

And I'm like, you know, do I want to focus more on these types of movements or do I want to do this today? You know, maybe tomorrow, because I was going to take a day off tomorrow, maybe I'll just do my arms tomorrow because that's a really easy thing for me intensity wise to throw in there and maybe I'll just address my back today and take some time on that and work on some mobile.

And so I call an audible for what I know I should do for my body at that exact fucking moment. As soon as there's another person next to me, and this isn't including Katrina, I love her, okay, and I know she enjoys working out together, but I, why? Does she prefer to work out with you or does she prefer to work out with her?

Of course she does, but you know why? Because it's what I said at the very beginning, is because I'm a professional, I've been doing this for a very long time, so she likes it because I can help her with her mechanics. She loves that, she can do something, and I can give her the most subtle cues. She can apply it, and she goes,

oh my God, I feel that so much more. So I get why she wants me to be in the workout. But for me, I'm not getting that same benefit. She's not giving me cues to help me get more out of my workout. Yeah, so I can't have to agree with Adam on this one. I'm a fucking Han Solo. Yeah. Only because of the, like you said, the level.

We're not, yeah, that's what I say. We're not the average person at all. No, no, and I do really enjoy being in the gym and working out with Courtney. Same thing happens. I mean, I want to help her with her form. I want to see her do well, but then it completely takes away

from when I'm trying to accomplish. And so I use that more as like hang out time. And so I don't really count it all the time. It's like a workout. And I know she'll be pissed if she heard that. But like for me, it's like literally like a trigger session or like a, you know, load of moderate, like intensity of the whole time, which is fine. It's great.

It's something like an ad into the mix, but I need when I'm working out, like, I know exactly, I'll make a call on the flag, I'll figure out like what I really need to be doing, and then what's going to complement that the best, and I just want to think about all that in my head for like just a matter of like seconds. Right, right before you, and then go, and then, that's impossible to do with a second. And the reason why, even was what I even, I think is bad for someone who's young who's getting a workout partners because then you're more likely to make the bad decisions

because you have another person that you're influenced. Yeah, you're influenced by. So I am not a fan of workout partners and I know there's a ton of people right now that like that for the motivation and the accountability and that works for you, then that's cool. So funny. I wonder if any of us could like be trained that like that for the motivation and the accountability and that works for you, then that's cool. So funny.

I can, I wonder if any of us could like be trained for a month by somebody else. You would have to be. You know what, I could, but it would have to be someone that I would do things that I wouldn't normally do on my own. Like, you know, working out with like a correctional exercise will be like learning a new skill, but I'm saying. Yeah, I have like a new skill.

What I'm saying is, like, a program designed. A program that's very similar to what you would do. Probably not. I don't know how you don't see it. I've already thought about having you like teach me cleans. Like it's just nothing. I've never had somebody buy my side. Like, I would totally do that.

Like a skill that I'm fully aware, your superior in that movement that I am, and that I would love your eye to tell me, you know, as I'm going through the mechanics. So I could see working on skill-based movements, having someone like yourself or another professional. Yeah, not the staples, we've been doing a puzzle. Yeah, but I don't, no one's gonna tell me

when I go to the gym. No, the two workout partners I've ever had that I actually enjoyed working out with were both trainers and they were both people that were in the industry, but they also followed my workouts. I've never worked out with anybody successfully Who is experienced but also then wants to lead the work? It just doesn't work because Everybody's gonna be a little so what do you think about that the in then reality is somebody is always suffering You 100% I don't you working. I don't think so. I don't think so.

The workout means that that would and knowing that you have a little deal. Here's a deal. Here's a deal. Of course. Somebody is a give it's given. That's true. Look, one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time was Arnold Schwarzenegger and he worked out half the time up to contest always with workout partners. Now, he usually led the workout, but he worked out with Franco Colombo all the time. It's how we won many of his Olympias. He worked out with Ed Corny, and he always won, and everybody else took second and third. That's whole,

because he was, you're just proving my point, because he's running his routine. They're all fucking falling along, like, I'll do whatever you're doing. I think they, I, you cannot say that Ed Corny and Franco Colombo were subpar bodybuilders. Franco Colombo wore that. I said, that's probably what they all got second and third

as well. I think that they worked out with him because they got a lot of benefit as well and they did it for years and you're gonna get, sometimes you can get that dual benefit, but here's a deal. Most people aren't like us. They just are, they don't have our experience.

Most people benefit from working out with a partner. In fact, if you look at surveys and whatever, people find a good workout partner. They're more consistent. They have better workouts. They're safer. Right. So that's the point.

I think it points to the fact that the biggest monster to get people to work out, it's motivations. You're self-motivated. Like if we're all very self-motivated, not a lot of people are very self-mot And so like to have accountability, you know, from an external source, whether it's your friend, that's a workout partner, or the environment like, you know, a group setting or like, you know, you come into a gym, everybody knows you, like for me, back when I was younger, like it was very good for me to to have all the athletes in one gym working out

at the same time, that really benefited me. That's a great point because I think when I'm talking about working out with a workout partner, the two that I worked out with that I really enjoyed, that's kind of what we did many times, they would do my exercises, but then sometimes you'd be like, I wanna do this and they would. And they'd be working out at the same time.

Kind of the same way that the three of us have worked out together. Because we've worked out together. Yeah, that works. That's for all the same. I don't count that as working out with you. Yeah, yeah. If I'm across the other side of the gym, that you're no different than anybody else in the same gym.

Well, you mean we carpooled together? No, I see you over there. I see you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when we worked out together, we will do, if I do 10 exercises that day, you, me, you, and Justin end up doing two or three of them together. Oh, maybe. That's what I mean.

But that's no different than somebody that Jim using the same piece of equipment. No, it's not following the same routine. It's different. It's definitely different. And I think it's a different level. I know you want to make the case for this, but here's the deal. It's inferior, bro. It's inferior. For you? Yeah. And I think it's a different. I know you want to make the case for this, but here's the deal. It's inferior, bro.

It's inferior for you. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're right. You're right. I mean, you could get like, because if somebody because I'm getting some of those people listening right now, that like, no, man, me and my workout partner are great together. No, I bet I'm, I think I'm the minority. I do believe that. But I also, I think that it's the ultimate place you want to get. I'm sorry, but if, if, when Katrina and I work out, right? And if I'm being selfish, she's gonna follow my workout.

Now, if I, and if I want to give her the best workout, it's gonna look different than the one I'm gonna do for myself. Bottom line, she has a different body, she has different weaknesses, she has different strengths, she has a different place that she's at. Her body recovers differently, she's stronger. You know what I'm saying? There's all these things about her that make her at. Her body recovers differently. She's stronger. You know what I'm saying? There's all these things about her

that make her different. If I was coaching her. I'm not gonna disagree with you. I think what you're saying is- Somebody suffers. Yeah, I think what you're saying is the ideal place to be is in a place where you're so self-motivated and secure and consistent that you don't need anybody.

You're there, are you doing your own work? Of course. Well, you've just built up so much knowledge about your own body and the sign signals, like what your body really needs as a result, but that just comes with experience and time. Yeah, I mean, if it motivates you to get to the gym, I think that's obviously,

if that's the difference maker, like having somebody to hold you accountable, that makes sense to me like why you do that. Of course, I would never tell a kid who's 22 years old,'s just kind of getting into way to has a workout partner and they use each other to motivate each other to go to the gym and Hold each other accountable stop working out with your partner because you're not maximizing your workouts Well, that would be bad advice from me because the kid may not go to the gym now because he doesn't have his workout partner Well picking a workout partner is like picking a business partner or picking a fucking mate.

Like, you have to mesh on a lot of different levels. Let's be honest. That is not an easy combination because here's the thing for me and I've done this several times and this is why I haven't worked out with partners for a very long period of time. It's because the second you show up two seconds late to a workout or the second you act,

your energy's different than mine or you act like you're tired or you don't want to push it or you don't want to whatever. Like that's cool, I'm not working out with you anymore, it's not no hard feelings. And that's why you have to find, if you find a good workout partner, which is hard to find, it can be definitely worth its way to go in gold,

but it's not an easy thing to do, I would say. Next question is from that fly guy. Yeah. Hey, buddy. How do I grow a massive butt? I'm talking about a booty, so sick, you can bounce a quarter off it muscular, of course, though. This is Justin's question.

Wow. Did I share it with you guys? This is not like a booty trend for guys now? Is that like a thing or well? I think men are becoming more comfortable with talking about it Right, let's be honest. No guy wants a fucking flat out. I don't want the dad pants As a kid as a kid I had this I had fucking you know frog ass if you know you ever seen like what a frog with suspenders would look like You know I'm saying imagine that right? You can, I know you guys are in my honey.

I'm a rock band. Yeah, the fee, but just like a, just droopy drawers. You know what I'm saying? Like I had to wear a belt or my fucking pants fell off because I had no ass to keep them up there. Right? So I was that kid growing up, man. And so yeah, I, it's secretly, I didn't go around telling

my home, my boys, you know, like, hey, man, I wish I could grow a butt, dude. Yeah. But deep down in my book games, yeah, deep down, I wish I could grow a butt, dude. Yeah, but deep down in my book, gains. Yeah, deep down. And I'm sure every female is right now would say that they love a guy that it's got an ass. And actually when they do studies,

that's one of the areas that women tend to look at as a man's hips and his glutes. Glutes, here's why butts are. That's where your power source, right? I was just gonna say, here's why we are all attracted to fit muscular butts on men and on women. That is your prime moving muscle. That's like the, first off, when you look at primates,

humans have the biggest glute muscles of all primates. Most primates have these tiny little glute muscles and that's because they walk on all fours or they climb up, which means you're... That's baboon-ass. That's not glutes, that's just the walk on all fours or they climb up. That's bad balloon ass. That's not glutes, that's just the big pink weirdness. Yeah, it's just ugly. That's gross. But the reason why we have such big glutes is because we stand upright

and it is what balances us and it's what propels us. And if you have any type of health or athleticism, you're probably going to have very fit, muscular looking butt. So this is why men and women are both attracted to this. Now, how do you grow a massive butt? This is kind of a, it's simple but not easy, right? It's simple in the sense that there's a few exercises if you get good at, the odds are you're gonna add

some muscle and size to your butt, barbell squats, dead lifts, maybe hip thrusts. I mean, those are lunges, explosive jumps. Yeah, those are kinda like the big, I guess cornerstone movements, and if you get good at those and you get strong at those, you're probably gonna develop some serious glute muscles. Now, there are occasions where people will do those,

and they're still not getting results on their butt. And it's not because those exercises aren't effective, it's because they're not connecting to their glutes very, very well, in which case learning how to prime your glutes before those lifts makes a massive, massive trim and this difference. Absolute massive.

You need connectivity there. I mean, and then too, it's a practice thing. So I've noticed even just, and I'm not trying actively to grow my glutes, but just obviously going through. I hope not. It's squats, but when I'm resting or I'm just hanging out, I tend to just drop into a squat.

And I'm very, very comfortable just sitting like that for, you know, give me like a half an hour, I could sit like that. And it's just, it's a matter of like my body responds like almost immediately to like, oh, this is a comfortable position. I'm very like well versed in this. And just to be able to kind of put that in and low intensity, low volume, but like have it constantly there and work on, you know, like the loading and like getting all the different stimulus by going through the different phases of how to train the glutes. But yeah, first and foremost, you have to connect to it.

You know, I just had a thought on this. You think, I wonder if Doug can find this too. I wonder if there's a study out there to show as a general population, are we losing our asses? I don't know if there's a study. Well, think about it. We sit more now today than we ever have in our entire existence, ever, ever, right?

And that what that does is promote this dominant hip flexor and quad takeover for whenever you are getting up and down because you're in that position, right? So I wonder if we are evolving to have less of butts as humans. And that would look like we have butts just because of Lombar Lordosis. In your pelvic toe. Right. It could be that too, right?

Yeah. Women wear high heels a lot now. That's what does, you know, and by the way, that's why high heels are attractive. It's because standing in heels automatically puts your back in an arch and shows off your butt. It's actually sexual signaling. But the hardest people, here's the hardest people, by the way, when I would get clients

who did lots of long distance running, those were the toughest people to develop their butts because when you do this repetitive long distance, not sprinting, I'm not talking about sprinting, because that's totally different. But people who do lots of long distance running, their legs move in this short end range of motion constantly. And so what you end up with is,

if they have any muscles that are developable at all, it's calves and quads, hamstrings are underdeveloped, and there are no glutes. And with those people, when you get them under a bar and you teach them how to squat, I mean, I could watch their butt just off the whole time. And it looks, their knees come forward. If they have good ankle flexion, then it just looks like this strange upright type of squat with no glute activation.

These people, I'll train them for weeks without ever doing a squat. It's like all hip thrust, it's all abduction, it's all single leg toe touch. Like we got to turn on your butt, get it to fire. Once they start to feel it, then we move on to box squats and we'll do that so they can learn how to sit back and then eventually we get into barbell squats. But if I took those people and just threw them in a barbell squat, even if they had good mobility and they could go all the way down all the way up, what they would experience is bigger quads.

They would just end up developing more quads. It's gonna take all of the force. Yeah, so we have a really, I mean, one of our most viral YouTube videos is how to make the butt grow. So that's a really good YouTube video. And then we also have a free butt guide at mindpumpfree.com. So if you, I mean, where we,

that's where I cover some of this stuff. We also have a butt builder bundle. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So here's some things you could do when you're about to start your workout to prime your glutes to fire. You could do some hip abduction.

So an easy one would be lay on your side, put a band around both legs, lift your leg out to the side, but keep your foot pointed straight and try to fire the outside of your glutes. So you could do some of those. You could do some single leg or both leg hip thrust where you, we did a good video.

Actually Adam did a great video on this a while ago, where you put yourself in a particular type of pelvic tilt, shoot your hips up, squeeze the glutes at the top, get them to fire. That's in that video. That's in that video. You can also do single leg toe touches, with good form, try and squeeze the glutes at the top.

Just get to the point where, oh, okay, I can feel my butt firing, I can feel the muscle burn a little bit, then get into your lunges and your barbell squats and all that stuff and try to put yourself in a position where you can still feel those glutes firing and then watch what happens. And don't go too heavy

because as soon as you start to add lots of weight, your glutes are gonna turn off and the other muscles that are stronger on you because your glutes never fire, are gonna take over and you'll lose the effectiveness of that exercise. Next question is from Tom Sebert. Both of my siblings are severely overweight and starting their fat to fit journeys for the hundredth time.

My brother just bought maps red and plans on using it until his gastric bypass surgery. He has yet to make a final decision about having the surgery. Would you suggest the surgery to a loved one in any circumstance? Yeah, and life or death. Yeah, exactly. That's when I would say do it is when you're so, your health is so poor that they're like, okay, you need to, this is an emergency situation. Yeah, you're, they're like, you've got five, 10 years of live, maybe because of how obese you are. Yeah, you need to lose weight.

And, you know, this is going gonna be because here's a deal. Gastric bypass is not a fucking easy procedure. I think a lot of people get confused and think, oh, it's a cool easy solution or an easier solution to my weight, you know, problem or what are my food problem. It's a major surgery. They are going into your stomach or your gut. They're cutting you open.

So it's a major surgery. I cut through muscle a lot of stuff. Yeah, you're gonna put you out. And if you're in the people who get this by the way are very overweight. So they're also cutting through layers of adipose tissue. Have you ever swatched a surgery being done? Yes. There's like layers of yellow adipose tissue to get through. They go cut through it like a cauterizer way through, right?

Yeah. So they go all time in to put that bacon in my mouth. So they go through all of it. Then what they gotta do is they basically bypass your stomach and what you're left with is a small pouch of a stomach. Your stomach plays a vital role in your ability to digest food and assimilate and absorb nutrients and you are permanently altering that

to the point where most gastric bypass patients have to take supplements and have gut issues for the rest of life afterwards. To the point where you're not gonna be able to eat a few hundred calories, more than a few hundred calories at a time, sometimes a hundred calories at a time, without vomiting or getting diarrhea, you're not absorbing fat soluble nutrients like you normally would see if the mega dose on them.

And here's a deal. Being low in nutrients, you can feel depressed, you can feel like shit. So this isn't like an easy procedure. It's not an easy answer. No, it makes sense in a life or death situation. It makes sense if it's like, hey, like you've gone so far that everything's going to shut down on you if we don't get this weight off and we don't do it fast and soon. And so then I could see that.

But if you're somebody who's, you know, 100, maybe even 200 pounds overweight and you've just, and you're young still and you have the ability to potentially make some good choices, get into strength training. And my cousin did, my cousin lost over 120 pounds did no big no gastric bypass and he just slowly Changed his is his life his lifestyle and his behaviors and He's now in such an amazing place and here's the other thing This is a big problem that nobody talks about okay when you go and you talk to the doctor about this procedure They will refer you to counseling which I think is smart. So you do counseling along with it

But what they're not going to tell you is, whatever it is that is causing you to do this to yourself, because this is not a genetic thing. Yes, genes affect how much weight we gain and lose, and there are definitely hormone issues, but I'm sure they've ruled all that out. There isn't a genetic thing that makes you 100 pounds overweight, okay? Just isn't. That is a, you are using food like a drug.

And whatever is motivating you to do this to yourself, because you are fully conscious that you are killing yourself. You are not maybe not fully conscious, but partially conscious that this is a problem. I am hurting myself. If you don't solve the root behind why you're doing this to yourself and all you do is take away the drug, you are gonna replace that drug with something else.

You are actually gonna be in a shitty situation. So if you look at the rate of addiction with alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, the rate of divorce, and whatever, with people who get a gastric bypass, it goes up because you've, it's like taking an alcoholic, locking them in a cage and saying, there, now you're not drinking alcohol anymore. And it's like, they're going to do something else to themselves and be a very difficult situation. Okay. You're not addressing the root cause.

You're not addressing the root cause. I mean, something has led that person to be addicted to food the way they are. It's just bottom line. I mean, I've seen this with many friends of mine that have battled pills or hard drugs or sex or any of those things where they've been addicted to something and they do. They just trade it for one.

They trade one for the other. It's just, okay, you fix the alcohol thing that's cool but now you're like this obsessive gambler. Where'd that come from? Oh, you fix the alcohol thing that's cool, but now you're like this obsessive gambler where that come from. Oh, you fix the gambling, but now I'll send you your pill popping and doing this now. It's like, they have that behavior and that behavior is an escape from something else that they're running from. And until they address the root cause that's causing them to do that, they're just trading one thing for the other.

So they pair them up with like a counselor beforehand, right? Yeah. one thing for you. So they paired them up with a counselor beforehand, right? Just sort of discuss. But it's short. Yeah, I was going to say, like, wouldn't you, I mean, prefer to have them like really like dive deep with a therapist, somebody to really get down to like, you know, what the emotional triggers are and like, where this is all kind of coming from. So I think they go there. Yeah, I've worked with, I've worked with lots of gastric bypass patients people

Both who've had it and people who think who thought about having it and came to me first and the most success I ever saw with these with people in this situation did two things There were two big things that they did that hired themselves a very good therapist So they would see this person on a weekly basis, and they also hired a good personal trainer with experience in this situation. And I say good trainer because you go higher the wrong trainer, they're gonna beat the crap out of you. And you can be a boot camp bullshit. Yeah, you are not a biggest loser. No, go find a trainer who has lots of experience, who's empathetic, who's patient, and who understands,

you know, what you're going through. Work with them, work with the therapist, and then give yourself some time. Now, some people say, oh, that's expensive. It's actually cheaper. It's cheaper than the cost of the surgery. It's cheaper than the time you'll take off of work, and it's cheaper than all of the turmoil

that you'll go through, because you're not dealing with the root issues. Now, it may take you a couple years, it may take you three years to deal with this and lose the weight with a therapist and a personal trainer, but I promise you the odds of it staying off and how happy you'll be at the end of this without having to go through this major procedure

and change your digestive system is so much better. It's such a better option and you will solve root causes or at least you'll start to attempt to solve these root causes and you'll start to look at them and you'll have the help from the therapist and it's so much more. I've done this with several people and I still in contact with some of them and years later, very successful with their weight loss. I've also worked with people of that gastric bypass who've gained the way back.

It's not a guarantee, by the way. Your stomach will stretch right back out. You need to rebuild your body. You're not gonna be able to rebuild your body without applying the right amount of time. So if you just want to get right to the end, you didn't learn anything. No, no, here's what I would do.

I would tell somebody in this situation, because if you look at all the money that's gonna, you look at the end, you didn't learn anything. No, no, here's what I would do. I would tell somebody in this situation, because if you look at all the money that's gonna, you look at the procedure, you look at the time lost at work, and the turmoil and all that stuff, I think you could safely invest $5 to $10,000 for a year of good training and good therapy. People spend more than that on plastic surgery all the time,

a breast augmentation procedure is more than that, right? Five to 10 grand, take that money aside. If you need to get a loan to do it, it's probably gonna be worth it for something like it's your health. Find yourself the therapist, find yourself the trainer, make sure they communicate with each other, because that's what I would always do. I always talk to the therapist and we talk about like,

what's going on and here's what I'm doing with my training and oh, you know, Carol didn't show up for a workout as everything okay and we go back and forth. It was such an effective strategy that I found that and these people just like I said years later are different, fundamentally happy. And one of them became a personal trainer. One of them actually became a pro.

Do that, take that money, invest in that, figure out the root. Now here's what it's gonna take from you, or from your siblings, this is because we're talking about your siblings. Here's what it's gonna take. It's gonna take courage on their part to face their demons. Because I think a lot of times

when people get these surgeries, a lot of times they don't wanna face their demons. And so they go get the surgery and they're like, I just want to get rid of the symptoms of my demons, but I have news for you. Make sure you communicate this to your siblings. If they get gastric bypass surgery and they don't want to face their demons,

they will be forced to face their demons anyway. That's what's gonna happen with the surgery because you're gonna take away their drug, they're gonna have to face their demons. And if they don't want to, their life is gonna be very, very, okay. This is exactly what leads these, why it's such a high rate for them to get addicted

to something else. That's right. It's because, okay, well, you just took the, got rid of the symptom. I can't no longer get the food like I was because now my stomach's shrunk, but I still, I still haven't resolved this issue. Oh, so let me go into drinking or let me go into gambling

or let me go into sex or porn or whatever. The fuck your next addiction is. If you, I remember we had this one lady that worked at at our gym who got this procedure who was just, I tell you what this a lot to. She, and it was crazy, dude. She, and this was an individual right across the street. Well, Sanitrisso was right across the street

from Kaiser and Kaiser had the first one, or that Kaiser clinic I've had. Yeah, had one of the first ones. So we had a lady that came in who ended up losing 100 pounds, but she was in the not doing it right category. And she would show up for her sessions. I'm not exaggerating. She would sit at the front of the gym, parked in her car.

And this was post-gaster bypass. And she would force feed herself. And I could tell it was painful because she had gastric bypass. So she couldn't fit much food or something. She would force feed herself and I could tell it was painful because she had gastric bypass. So she couldn't fit much food or something. She would force feed herself like two bacon egg and cheese biscuits or something from McDonald's. Then she'd come in, so she'd be 20, 30 minutes early

to her workout, then she would come in, she'd go in the bathroom and destroy it. Like literally destroy it because her gut was fucked up, probably had her, you know, she had severe diarrhea, would kill the bathroom, we'd have to open the doors, and it was just horrible in there, and I could see what she was doing to herself because she wasn't dealing with the root cause,

and yes, she lost weight because she was forced to, eventually she started gaining a back because she continued that process of doing that. So, and listen, I'm not saying this because I'm making fun of anybody. I'm not saying this because I think anybody's stupid. I feel for anybody in this situation, I have tons of empathy. This is a demon. It is a very difficult, difficult thing to tackle.

So you need to acknowledge how difficult this is going to be in a true sense, acknowledge it and say to tackle, so you need to acknowledge how difficult this is gonna be in a true sense, acknowledge it and say to yourself, I am not gonna do this alone, I am gonna hire some professionals, I'm gonna give myself a year, I'm gonna take this money, it's dedicated to that, and it's gonna suck, it's gonna be hard, but I'm gonna grow through this, and I wanna do this for myself,

cause I care about myself, going with that attitude, and I I promise you give yourself a couple of years and watch what happens. So check this out. You can find us on our own social media pages. That's right. I have mine. Adam has is Justin has is you can find us on Instagram. So my page is mine pump Sal. Just Adam is my pump Adam.

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