Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 828: The Ideal Length of a Bulk, What to do About Horrible Exercise Form, How to Ask for a Raise & MORE

Episode Date: August 3, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how long and how aggressive to bulk, if you should approach someone in the gym who has horrible form to the point where they may hurt themselves, the long-term effects of force-feeding your body to stay at an weight about where it wants to naturally be and how to negotiate a raise. Three levels of hell and updating your cleaning products using Thrive Market. Update on Adam’s move. (4:39) What did the guys use to collect when they were younger? (10:23) Life big in small spaces! Justin devoting himself to training at home with his new PRx Performance Profile Rack. (16:23) The worst Gold’s Gym of all time?? The guys talk about training on the road in Santa Barbara. (21:12) Is there a time and place for certain kinds of music? The guy’s share their musical tastes. (23:18) What are the most challenging things about divorce? Sal opens up about his daughter and playing the passive aggressive Dad. (25:58) Who out of all the children of Mind Pump, will listen to the show first? (28:05) Bishop Barron wears Vans??!!  Guys share their surprises from meeting Bishop Barron and his staff. (34:15) #Quah question #1 - How long and how aggressive should I bulk? (36:04) #Quah question #2 – How should you approach someone in the gym who has horrible form to the point where they may hurt themselves? (47:40) #Quah question #3 – What are the long-term effects of force-feeding your body to stay at a weight about where it wants to naturally be? (54:56) #Quah question #4 – Have you had to negotiate for a raise? How did you go about it? (1:03:38) People Mentioned: Tim Brown (@81TimBrown)  Twitter Ben Pakulski (@ifbbbenpak)  Instagram Bishop Robert Barron (@BishopBarron)  Twitter/Instagram Melissa Wolf WBFF BIKINI PRO (@meliwolff) Instagram Enzo Coglitore (@enzocog)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: Thrive Market One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more PRx Performance Butcher Box Big Tex Gym: Train Like You Mean It MI40 Gym Maps Prime Pro Bundle - Mind Pump NFL Player Fact vs. Fiction Personality Traits of Entrepreneurs - Harvard Business School Billions Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High - Book by Al Switzler, Joseph Grenny, and Ron McMillan Winning - Book by Jack Welch and Suzy Welch Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com.   Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our program MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com/mindpump Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products.   Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one That was good. For the first 30 minutes, would you our introductory conversation? We talk about Adam's move. He's moving into a new house. Yeah. And his restocking of cleaning products, he went from the chemical-based cancer stuff. Thrive market, 10 krony. And now is buying all natural stuff

from Thrive Market. Now Thrive Market is the largest online retailer of non-GMO and organic food products. They also have cleaning products. They have cosmetic products. They have stuff for pets, right? They have dog foods. Got me some dog food. And here's what we did. We negotiated a phenomenal deal for our listeners. If you go to Thrive Market dot com forward slash mine pump, you're're gonna get a month free membership and $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping.

Then we talk about baseball cards. We always collect those when we were kids. Adam, you had like, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth and now lost them all. And so I just collected 10 brown, that's it. 10 browns of it. We talked about Justin's new PRX. Our forces.

Home gym system. PRX home gym systems are awesome. The rack that he got actually very sturdy, but it folds into the wall or kind of goes flat to the wall. So you maximize your space. It's nice. It's nice. Great sponsor for us.

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with purchases of over $500. So if you have a home gym, they're the best. They're one of those. You can pretty much do all our maps programs with this setup. Yep, we talked about Santa Barbara trip and a few other things. There, Doug just scrolled down, can't see him. Oh, can't texting and social media. And then we get into the questions.

The first question was, this person's 19 years old, coming off a cut, wants to bulk, wants to know the most effective way to bulk. Now, bulking is when you're trying to put on lean body mass or muscle, you can do it in an effective way to bulk. Now, bulking is when you're trying to put on lean body mass or muscle. You can do it in an effective way or you can just get fat. Find out which one you're doing.

Get old dirty bulk. In this part of this episode. This next person wants to know how they should approach someone in the gym who has horrible form or not or do you approach this person? Point and laugh. Do you just let the place follow? Or do it just to just just say I'm a dick.

The next question was most NFL offensive lineman have lost 50 or more pounds with just in a few months of retiring. What are the long term effects of force feeding your body to be above 300 pounds? We talk about the dangers of playing the NFL, the dangers of being that big and maybe the benefits of being that big, especially when you're getting hit by people who are running out, you like a car. And the final question, how do you negotiate effectively for a raise, there's some good wisdom

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use the code green 50 at mine pump media dot com dude how's your how's your moving going at all man you're three story house oh hey movie so bad dude it's three, not including the grudges level. So it's taking me four. Oh shit. You go one, two, three, four. And it's so you have to go up all those stairs.

To get to your bedroom at the very top. Or what? Oh yeah. Yeah. All the rooms. So there's three bedrooms upstairs. And then then it has like a little corner. You turn and come down. Dude, it's been a long long long 24 hours for me right now But and right now too, so we just I took care of all the the big rocks right everything's unpacked the rooms are set up

You know, we have so we have a couple things in boxes still that will eventually unbox But now it's like all the other stuff that's a pain in the ass like you forget about like Comcast and you're you're oh But now it's like all the other stuff that's a pain in the ass. Like you forget about like, Comcast and your, Oh, it's a nightmare. Right, you gotta change mailing address, all those things like that. I forgot about my, my thrive market mailing stuff because I have stuff that's being shipped to me.

I had a, I ordered a bunch of cleaning supplies and things like that for the house to get going. I got my butcher bought all my stuff that's all in auto. I have to go and go change. Are you ordering a bunch of new cleaning supplies and stuff now, because I always do that when I move. Yeah, so I made Katrina, I shouldn't say made. I, Katrina and I decided to make her do anything.

I, I directed it. Yes. Her and I decided that we would, you know, get rid of most everything that we had. Now, we, for the most part, we saved the, the big stuff, but even I am the furniture, I mean, we got rid of almost everything. we had. And for the most part, we saved the big stuff. But even I am the furniture, I mean, we get rid of almost everything.

And so food and the refrigerator and things that were cleaning supplies that was half full, it's like just, we're dumping it. We're just gonna do a trash and then we'll just buy new stuff. And so, yeah, no, we did all that stuff. So I did it. I didn't know. And now you're fully out of all the crazy chemical cleaners

and you're getting the natural. Yeah, I did. Drive markets. Yeah, no, no. And now I look like, now I So now you're fully out of all the crazy chemical cleaners and you're getting the natural. Yeah, I did. Drive markets. Yeah, no, no, no. And now I look like, now I look like we're fully, I mean, my whole covered like fully sponsored. It's not there. It's supposed to come, I think in the next day or two,

I know Katrina has set it all up, but that's the stuff we're doing today. Now I was getting all our address stuff changed over to the house and last, last month. So what did she have to do by herself when you were? So because we were up, we were down in Santa Barbara doing our thing. Oh man, and I just felt, I felt miserable.

And she had to do it all. I felt so bad. Thankfully she has brothers. Yeah, she has two brothers that are amazing too. Like, you know, shout out to them. I know Larry, he listens to show a lovely brother and then his brother Andy, who was just, her brother Andy has been like,

he's like a master of, you guys remember the couch that I had upstairs in my house? You remember the big custom couch? Okay, so I don't know if you guys realize this or not, but you can't take that up the stairs. So we have to scale it over that wall and down. So I came home the day before we left. Would you tie ropes to it and stuff? So yeah, so this is what this literally what happens to me two days ago.

I come home and I open the door and I hear, oh, is that you brother? And I'm like, and I look around the corner and there's my couch fucking hanging hanging from the wall. And it's like tilting and it looks like it's going to fall over. I'm like, oh shit, I go sprinting up the stairs. I've got one of my brothers who's holding on to the couch and the other one has got a rope around his waist

and it's harnessed on the other side of this freaking on his waist? Yes, that's not that safe. 300 pounds. That thing goes down, and he's still doing it. And he's leaning back on it and they were trying to do it all by themselves. I caught them in the middle of that.

Wow. And then you came home at the right moment. Oh, right time. But dude, he's a G when it comes to like packing things. I mean, it's crazy. He packs so well though that I was unpacking last night in this morning. And I was like, I was, I thought I finished my shoes, right?

And I was like, oh my god, this took forever to do the shoes. The shoes, because you can only carry. So you can. How many pairs of shoes? I don't know. Let's be honest. Okay, more than 100, less than 500. That's a huge range.

Oh, yeah, it's definitely, it's well over 100. So, you're probably like two to 300 pairs? Yeah, probably, probably around 300 and something if I had to get shoes. Yeah. And they're in plastic boxes and, and or the original boxes they come in. Yeah. And they're in plastic boxes and or the original boxes they come in. So do you think that's a, there's a little bit of a dysfunction?

A little obsessive. A little obsessive. A little obsessive. A little obsessive. And so I agree with you there. So I was getting rid of it. Like I was purging today. Like, okay, I don't, I've been war those in over a year.

Like they can go. You know what I'm saying? If it's a shoe that I, if I've been war those in over a year like they can go you know I'm saying if it's a shoe that I if I haven't wore it in like over a year and it's not like a really rare shoe I'll I'll just I let him go so I actually got rid of probably I don't know 30 pairs today. See you down to 300 But dude carrying up, you know, you felt every single one of those shoes. Oh I did You know, you felt every single one of those shoes. Oh, I did. You're like, yeah. I gave them out. It was like that.

It's kind of weird. Yeah, it's kind of weird how I am with this. They sit now to sneakers. I remember what I did. Looking at pictures of them. When you guys were kids, you weren't into sneakers at all like that. No, really. I wasn't that.

I was. I had like certain ones, but then I worked towards getting, but like it was only maybe like five, you know, like I could probably count on them. That's the most pairs of shoes that I've had. So when I was a kid, I only had a couple two. So I always had like the pair of shoes that I got for the whole year. And then I had like a basketball pair of shoes. Right. And then maybe a nice pair for like, when you always cleats or something functional like basketball shoes. Right. And I just, you know, the ones that were really nice shoes, my basketball shoes, they only touched the court, like I would never let them get out and they,

I kept them out of that. Yeah, I cleaned them every time I brought them back in. So I was, cause it makes you play better, right? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that the sign? And the time real tied up to half. That was my thing.

Did you, what did you, did you guys collect things when you were kids? Is there anything that you collected? Baseball cards, shoes, well, shoes was now, right? So baseball cards, I used to collect a 50 cent in silver. I had a coin collection too.

Wow, where is my coin collection? I know, right? I think my parents took it. That's the one that's worth money because of his money. Yeah, yeah. In here, I had so many silver dollars. I have pure silver dollars. I had a couple of.

I had like each year. That's what I had. I wanted those little books that unfold and the people in a book. Yeah, it was made it was made for and you collect each year. Oh, and I my most valuable collection was probably my comic book collection. I have comic books that are worth hundreds of dollars by themselves. Wow. Yeah, I have one where the Hulk the Grey Hulk kills the abomination. I I have one where the Hulk, the Grey Hulk kills the abomination.

I have another one where the Grey Hulk and the Green Hulk combine to become the new Hulk. That was a kind of a big one. Oh, wow. Superman's death. I had a lot of a Punisher word journals and all that kind of stuff. I, you know what? My most valuable collection was these baseballs

that I would get signed, because I was good friends with Jim LaFoeva and his family. And so they used to give me tickets on the third baseline. And so we'd sit with all the players' wives. And one time he let me come down to the dugout, I was a kid, I was probably like nine years old or something. And this is like during playoffs, right?

When they won the pennant, I guess you call it. And I'm in there and everybody, he got everybody to sign it for me. Like Jose Gonzaco, he's got Karin Lance Ferd, he's got like the entire team. And I hold this thing like it's the holy grail. You know, like I still have it. You just reminded me of a crazy story.

So when I was a kid, my first baseball game, no, I take that back. My first baseball game was in fourth grade. My best friend's parents took me to it. The first time my parents ever took me to a baseball game was for a birthday of mine. Back then, this is like fifth grade, fifth or sixth grade. I was a Dodger fan. And they took me down to LA to go to a game that was like my big birthday and I got to bring

a friend. And what they did was they tried to surprise me by, they got into my baseball car collection and they got like all of my Dodger cards and Supposedly they had some sort of a connection and somebody was gonna get all these cars sign I had like the silver slugger Darryl strawberry and Mike Piazza and like Was a score Don Russ. I had all I've had I collected everything right so I had I had a but these cards were worth good money Right and then my parents We're gonna get them signed for me, but they got hustled by somebody

So they they gave away like 30 of my best cards that I had that were what if they sold your cards Don't say that I can totally be true What if your parents like how are we gonna pay for this horse? I know Cassie wants a horse Sell his baseball cards and cares about the bailing what are you telling up? Oh? God, I just can't what if that was true? There's about the bailing. What are you telling up? Oh, God, I just What if that was true?

Rick or I ran out of it. I for it. It's skip it skip the bean right there. Oh shit, man. Did he really expect that is possible? But yeah, what were the brands? They were very plausible. What were the brands that was scored? Don Russ tops. I think that was it. Upper deck was the expensive ones. Yeah, I tried to collect as many of those as I could though, because my goal in life was to collect King Griffey Jr. cards.

I don't know why. Why? I don't know, because I had a bunch of his. It was like, he was the man I went with. He was the man. And I was an ace fan, but I knew how valuable, like his card was super valuable at the time. So I would trade kids if they had a King Griffeyy card like all of my cards for just the one card.

Wow. I had a thing for Tim Brown. I don't know why I had a bunch of Tim Brown card. Remember Tim Brown? Of course. I don't know. I Tim Brown. You know what I think it was?

I think it's I just automatically for whatever reason I I like I had a lot of the start. I had an anti-right sky or something when that was the idea. No, maybe I had no idea. I just throw it out. I had a lot of his cards. So I'm like, oh cool. It's easy to remember.

Yeah, brown. Yeah, super easy. Super easy. Which one was the one that had the gum in there that would cut your face? It was done, right? That was tops. That was tops, yeah, you're right. That was that was sharp gum that would you didn't chew it.

You shattered it. But you bazooka Joe. You did. No, it was a thin, you remember it was a thin pink gum that you bite into and it would shatter in your mouth. So you had to charge it to dry. For in your mouth. It's drying out on the cardboard.

And then you were finally, yeah, you finally, who would have thought if you put a piece of gum in with a bunch of cards that they would absorb and you sort of moisture in the gum? Turn into some shitty paper. What a weird marketing ploy, how are going to get kids? Oh, it's basically brilliant. Yeah, it was brilliant. There it was brilliant though. Yeah. I wonder why they

don't do that. We'll start doing that with maps programs. Yeah. Yeah. It's get some gum with your program. That might work hard. Bad idea. When I was a kid, we used to go down to a place. It was circle K was the liquor store and we used to ride our bike down there. And I would take a dollar and I would get two decks of cards, which I think was 25 cents back then. Honestly, it was 25 cents or 50 cents

for a package of cards. And then I would get five cinnamon toothpicks. They were a nickel for the package. You guys didn't get those, you remember those? Yeah, with cinnamon toothpicks? Yeah, they were toothpicks. Were you that asshole that would just chew on and? It was actually cool totally. Okay, totally He just you're like 13. Yeah, like 12 hats and fucking toothpicks. Yes

For sure. Yeah, I used to save up if I just found a quarter in the in the couch I would walk my ass all the way to the express market to play Street Fighter One quarter. I'd walk all the way over there. I'd put it in, I'd play, and then inevitably some kid would beat me. Yeah, and it was always some younger kid. One quarter, it's all you got. I would walk all the way over there with a quarter, just to play one game of Street Fighter.

I'd talk much, I like that game. So anyway, Justin, how's your equipment set up going? Did you get the correct? Yeah, so I ordered the PRX, and I cleared out this entire room for it and I'm devoting it completely to training in there. I'm so excited about it. Everything came in a timely manner and I just realized that what I ordered, what I wanted was a pull-up bar with the squat rack and didn't realize and they had highlighted this on the website and missed it that it basically adds another two feet

and it doesn't clear my ceiling. So how tall is it? So always add because it walks up. It lifts up. So what people need to know, which is it's a great, I mean, everything that came and I got bars and I got stuff for Courtney too,

like I got a 35 pound bar, we have racks and stuff to be able to hang them vertically on the wall, so everything's nicely compartmentalized. Where's it going in your house? It's going, so it's in this room that's downstairs, which I don't have like a basement or a garage or anything, so I really just converted this room that was kind of like a storage room for us.

The same one that you put all the climbing shit into. Yes, okay. So it's gonna be like right next to, so my kids use that to kind of do the climbing wall. They do pull-ups and stuff with the rings that are all hanging from the ceiling. And so I'm gonna be working out like right next to them. And so it's nice because it'll fold straight out

so then it'll collapse to the wall. So it's like, it's like, it's dropped a lot of it. They're brilliant, these are brilliant because they fold flat against the wall. Yeah. And you can pull them out, they're sturdy. You can load them with a lot of weight. It's like the ultimate home gym.

Cause the rack, it's like ready set go. Cause I wouldn't see the rack that I have in the, in my place is, it's a rack, that's it. They can't do anything with it. So you can never park your car in that area. I can park one car now. Right, so one car has to park on the street, but if I had the PRX one,

I'd be able to fold them back in when I was done, do everything up against the wall. And they have a lot of cool options. So like I got these, they're basically, like it holds the bar vertically. So you can actually mount the bar. So it actually, even then the bar doesn't take up a lot of space either It just goes straight up so

They're really smart about how you can you storage like how you basically organize it all so it's just out of the way isn't that the company you found on Shark Tank? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I love that show Every now and then some gems will come through and I saw that and was like oh shit That's a great idea. Like I would love to have that in my house because I don't have a garage. You know, I'm sure it works even better if you have a garage. You can do like the ones that have the extra high bar

so you can do like, so what are you doing? Are they sending you shorter pieces? Yeah, so, and what's great is they handle it right away. They're like, oh yeah, you know, here's what you do. Like, so they give me like new slips so I can ship those back and they replace the new ones. So, I'm waiting on those, but I'm going to get that hopefully done by you this week. I don't know, man. That was, you were banking on that for this contest. That rack in there

to see what he did you now. I'm just lifting, I'm lifting what I got in there. And I got, I got bars and weights. Do that's all I need. Did you know he's lost seven pounds already Adam? Seven more or is that total? Total. Okay. He was down five last week. Yeah, so he's dropped another two. He's not doing bad at all.

Look at you. It's all what, seven pounds, what do you think? I already told you he's pounds of muscle. I already told you how this is gonna go down. Justin's gonna lose, he's gonna try too hard. Too hard. And you're not gonna try hard enough. And I'm gonna slide right in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it goes. And Doug would be close try hard enough, and I'm gonna slide right in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it goes. And Doug would be close to me, but he takes all the advice from you, so that's the only fault. It's like, still taking advice from Sal. Well, your weight hasn't changed, right? Nope.

You're doing that, I'm not progressing. For real? Yeah. I'm just gonna maintain. I'm falling up. Maps, no results. That's what I'm doing. Maps maintenance.

Yeah, I've dropped four, but that's water and all that stuff. I was at 200 when I started doing that. I've been tempted a couple times because of that, but again, I know it's just the mental game. I know that I don't need to lean out right now. I have plenty of building that I can do and still drop my body for actually. I'll tell you what's discouraging.

So we were just filming some photos and stuff for some future project. I'm the one who can't share that. I'm not gonna share what we're doing, but we had a young, everybody will know eventually, but we had a young lady here who's a strength athlete that's as far as I'll tell you.

This girl can deadlift 425 pounds. Yeah, that's more ingested. It deflated me. She's not a big girl either. She 425 pounds. Yeah. That's more adjusted to inflate it to me. She's not a big girl either. She's like a petite girl. She's pulling 425 pounds. So when I ran it, I've lost weight. Yeah, so me and Justin are gonna do,

we're doing yoga now. We're about to disadvantage. Hard core yoga. We're done with the weights. Yeah, I don't wanna go to yoga now. I don't wanna do weights anymore. Yeah, I'm done. I hang out my cleats.

We were, Doug was pulling that when we were down in Santa Barbara, right? Were you dead lifting over there? I was, but it wasn't 425. I hate to say it. That was the worst gold gym of my life. It was terrible. You know what it was? I figured it was.

Come on, Santa Barbara. Is that the best you got? No, I figured it out. So, did you guys notice that we were like right next to our underneath a hotel? Hmm. I think that used to be a hotel gym that then gold bought. It's too small to be it was like the size of it felt like a hotel size Yeah, it was the smallest goals I ever been in except they had a group X room though like why? Oh, and what about the dudes that were deadlifting in front of you? That was a good time Their backs probably feel great. They're so bad.

Yeah, it was so bad. I have awesome technique. I have a really hard time when training like that because the trainer and you wants to say something, you know. It bothers me. It does bother. But you also know it's not gonna get. Right, and then I also know that it'll lead

to ruining my workout because then I turn into like coaching and helping. And it's like, ah, yeah, just face other direction. Yeah, just not why I like to go to my own place. You know, we gotta take Inzo. You know Inzo hasn't gone to any of the big gyms. He hasn't gone to a real gym. He thought that gym was a nice gym.

This is awesome. He's like, no, it's not. It's not. Jim have ever been in. We're like, what? No, it's not, not even close. We gotta take him to the one, take him to Bernal, dude. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And then when we go to Austin that big text Jim That's that's a real that that's that's that's a big boy. Yeah, that's a real gym. That's rust and in chalk and It's like a lift. It's a lifter's gym. He'll grow a third-tistical volume. Gold. I like lifter gyms. Yeah, it's a lifter's gym Like yeah, it's not like the I think Enzo will appreciate Golds and that type of field because it's got a bunch of cool stuff. He's got a bunch of equipment Take him to what's name mirrors? What's his name? I know any like Florida. I came Pagolski. Oh, yeah, that's a bodybuilder Jim That's a very good. Well, he's got some nice stuff in there too though. That's what I like a combination of the both

You know, I know it depends on how I'm feeling now No, the big text one for me is that's my favorite. Yeah, yeah. I want to go. You know, it was the most fun yesterday about the traveling was on the way home. All the music we were listening to. Dude, that was the most, like, widest variety of music I think I've listened to and I can't tell you how long.

Adam had us listening to some, like, country, not just country, it was like, like pop, like almost wrapping country, what the fuck was that? Yeah, it was. It's like, who is it? I don't know what they, oh, that was Sam Hunt. Okay.

You know, I don't know what they, what genre they call that. It's in its country, but it's like, the newer country is coming out. And I don't like a lot of it. I like his stuff, though. I've seen him live before. It wasn't bad.

It was good. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, yeah, don't like a lot of it i like his stuff though i've seen him live before it was a bad it was good i'm not gonna lie yeah yeah don't hate it was good i i got do i can go all over the place you know that like i can listen now you don't like my music well i do like your music but i i you know i want to be on like lsd and a fucking at a like a rave you know i'm saying that like that's what i want that's what i want to listen to that music like a for it's yeah just to be honest no there's there's there i feel talking that's when I want to listen to that music like a Just to be honest. No, there's there's there. I feel like there's times for like different That's where I think you're all backwards like we get in the car everyone's chill No, it feels like a video crew. We play that music in your version for five and a half hours like there's there's like There's music for that right? I mean, I want to punch my head

I hope the forum gets my back on this one like this there's music for like, whatever it is that you're doing. I didn't have any glow stick. Sal has go to music that he always plays and it's always. It's not like that. No, it's not. Like, oh dude, we're just, we're cruising, dude. It's not like that.

That's the craziest beat I've ever heard. This is brilliant. It's like that. He can't see. He can't make beef. He can't do it. Awful. Oh, it's great. It's like that I mean I remember baker was the one who got me on house house music and dubstep and all that stuff and I Wasn't that hard, bro I had vocals. I wasn't kind of dude kind of

It makes you know reminds me of closeout. I mean, I love that stuff on, if it was Jim in the month, we're closing out, we're selling, I'm coming in the gym at 6 a.m. when we're working till midnight, like taking four speed stacks. Like I wanna hear that music, dude. You know, I wanna, you're on a fedra, it's great.

Yes. I like exposing Enzo to the rock music of our era, because he hadn't heard any of it. I could tell he doesn't like it at all. No! I wanted to just pound it in his head. Yeah, I'm like, listen to this. This is what you should work out to.

He's like, why are they so angry? Yeah. Everybody's so mad. I'm like, that's the point. Yeah, you're supposed to be angry when you work out. Yeah, looking heavy weights. Like, how do you get through that? I don't trust anybody that smiles on the lift weights.

If you're smiling in your lifting weights. Or talk to you. You're crazy. Stop talking to me. You're lifting weights, like how do you get through that? I don't trust anybody that smiles on the lift weights. If you're smiling in your lifting weights. Or talk to you. You're crazy. Stop talking to me, you're lifting weights now. Yeah, exactly. You need to be angry when you work out. That's anyway. So you guys know who?

Lost a lot to learn. You guys know I'm texting a lot lately? Yeah. Who's your text friend? My eight year old daughter. Oh, really? Yeah, no. So she has my old phone and it's hooked up to Wi-Fi.

So she doesn't have cell service range. Yeah. But it's hooked up to Wi-Fi so she doesn't have cell service for any Yeah, but it's so funny to wake up in the morning and she'll send me like three or four gifts that she'll pick and it's like a unicorn or Like poop dancing or whatever. She'll be like yeah, and she'd be like I love you and then she'll do She uses all the the shortcut words and stuff and she's eight years old. Wow. It's so crazy to see your Talk it already happened. Do you have to get an urban dictionary to decipher it or like? Well, you know what I like about it. So, here's a thing with the GHI. Here's a thing, one of the challenging things about,

you know, when you're divorced and you have, you know, I have dual custody, right? One of the difficult things is, when they're not with me, you know, I miss them. And then, with them with me, you know, I love being with them. And then sometimes like, oh, I need to break them, they're gonna miss them.

So you'd say, it's this duality, but it's also kids are kids. I mean, sometimes they're gonna be in good moods. Sometimes they're gonna be in bad moods. And my daughter's a little bit, she can definitely fluctuate from one end to the other. And it's hard not to take it personal. So like I'll call her because she's with her mom. And I'll call and I'll talk to my son.

And they'll like, put your sister on the phone. And then I'll hear him be like, you know, but Paul wants to talk to you and she'll be like, no, I don't want it right now, I'm busy, no, that's how my feelings are. Oh, right, that stabs me. So I said put me on speaker phone to my son so he puts me on speaker phone.

So I'm like, let me talk to her and she's like, no, and I'm like, that's fine, I don't want to talk to her and I hang up, right? So I'm like, no, bitter. You know what it is? I'm like, I'm stopping off playing that game with my eight year old, you know what it is? I'm stopping it off. I'm like playing that game with my eight-year-old. I mean, I don't want to tell a terrible aggressor.

I'm talking to you. So stupid, right? And it's something that I realized afterwards. I shouldn't have said that. But then like a couple hours later, she sent me pictures. Because I think she felt bad. She realized, yeah, so she sent me loving pictures and stuff.

Now, she does, but your son doesn't do this at all Text me. Yeah, my son text me memes. Yeah, okay. Yeah, my son's text me draw. You can draw you know on that little text feature And they send me the most the weirdest drawings. Yeah, it's probably poop or yeah, yeah, or blow or explode Or like somebody farting now if they made the a little what are they not emoji? What's the little character that looks just like you have you seen people do that yet? Oh your avatar. Yes. Yeah, they don't do that. No, no my sister my mom do that. They're like spot on to their hilarious. Yeah, they're hilarious My son my son sends me memes now. My boy just turned 13 so he's He's a few years away from like the real memes. Yeah, I mean mean? Like the, like the, like the, like the where he's going. I'm sure he's there.

He just doesn't want to share that with you guys. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, I can't do that. He's 13 years old. I'm gonna wait, but there's gonna be, I'm sure he's getting in, Brian. It's fine, it's, yeah, yeah. I get it, but it's my, I'm,

I don't want to think about it. No, I'm as dad. It's fine. But at some point in the near future, next three to five years, he's gonna learn the true depths of my humor, the true darkness of the things that we find, and I'm sure he's the same way.

Now, out of all your kids, out of everyone's kids, who do you guys think, and Doug included here, who do you think is most likely to start listening to the show first? To listening to our podcast? Oh, yes. Oh, that's my boy.

I'm pretty sure he's 13, too. You think he will? Yeah, if he hasn't already, I'm surprised Doug's's 13 to you. You think you will yeah if he hasn't already I'm surprised Doug's daughter hasn't yet. Yeah, I think Brianna would Brianna follows all you guys I feel like she does I feel like she's in the phone her back. She's Which is quick when I see her she makes little comments about stuff And I'm like you must be listening or paying attention, which makes me really nervous. Yeah, she's calling you guys Oh, my means are tearing it up.

Yeah. Yeah. Yikes. You're probably the most inappropriate. Me? Yeah. Probably. I'm not that inappropriate, but I can definitely be

inappropriate stuff. Yeah. I think you're the most, I think you're the most PC. Nah. On Instagram, yeah. Yeah, that in real life. Not in real life. No.

Get to know me. That's weird man, you're done. It's messed up. How old's your daughter? She 12, 13? No, she's 12. 12? Wow.

Well, that's the age. That's the age when they do that kind of stuff, you know? Kids are on it right away, and they learn how to use that stuff so fast. My kids teach me. When we did our YouTube, remember when my kids came and they were here when we were doing YouTube?

Yeah. And at the end of YouTube, I sign off, and I'll say, please subscribe to our channel. So we do it. And my daughter, she's like, Pupash, she's like, they're not gonna know your posting new videos just cause they subscribe.

They have to click on the little thing that lets them get notified. This is after a year of YouTube that we've been doing. That was like, my head, that's brilliant. Mine was blown. Oh, shit.

It's bad when a 12 year old school is on it. Oh, eight year old. Eight year old school, that's what I'm doing. Exactly. Gosh, man, it's brilliant. Mine was blown. I was like, oh, shit. It's bad for the 12 year old school. Oh, hey, you're old. You're a school that's not our business. Gosh, man, it's absolutely terrible. I don't think they'll listen because when I was a kid, I didn't give a shit with my parents for doing. Like I wouldn't care what they're doing. Like I don't think they're cool.

Like you know, when you're a kid, you don't think your parents are cool. So I wouldn't think they're cool enough for me to want to sit down and listen to. You guys already saw how interested my oldest was in like creating videos and trying to get on YouTube. Yeah. So I guarantee he's gonna get through

all of our stuff at some point. Or you do for sure. Is he still doing that? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he wants to have his own channel bad. And so I'm trying to get him to storyboard and like really think it out first

before we actually start to do that. And he's like, okay. So he's drawing it all up for me and trying to get out. Do you know how many free employees we're gonna have? I know, I'm so excited. We have justice to do. It's my favorite part of all you guys having kids. Doug's daughter, that saves so much money.

That's like five employees. I'm not paying him anything. He's gonna earn his way. What do you mean you're not paying me? What are the laws on that? You give them dinner every night. They have a place to live. Yeah, what are the laws on that?

What are the laws on that? What are the laws on that? Teenage kids. It's sweat labor. Is that how that works? I think if they're on farms, they can work at a like real young age. I think only there's child laborers.

There's child laborers. They're so good at throwing some plants in the front. There's child labor laws if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, but they're your kids. Is it, how's that work not mistaken. I'm pretty sure. But they're your kids. How's that work? Yeah, I don't know. There's gotta be a loophole.

I call it chores. Even if they're here, it's chores. Did you video your chores, Dad? I'm not done editing. I want my allowance. Shh. Let's not talk about that. I'm not public.

Exactly. Yeah. I'm not paying you next week, you didn't get any room. What the fuck, Dad? Thank you so much. I'm not paying you next week. You didn't get in the room. What the fuck that? I mean, I know the benefits. Now, I know how you do the money thing with your kids, which I think is really cool. Now, do you do it in an allowance? Sound? No, I don't, I don't give my kids money. Anything. No, you just fuck them. No, nothing.

Holy moly. No, I mean, they get, they get, you know, the lights turn on, you know, when they want the lights, there's water. You know, I mean, they get a lot of things. It just don't give them money. They don't get in allowance. No, no, I mean, they get they get you know the lights turn on you know when they want the lights. There's water You know, I mean they get a lot of things. It just don't give a money. They don't get an allowance No, no, you know, it's funny when I was a kid. I remember when I'd ask for an allowance my dad used to look at me Laugh for that baby feel bad. Yeah, so I did you were right about the farm thing. Yeah, 12 on a farm even children are 12 can work I know what I know a lot of random things so maybe Maybe get some corn you look at put it and that's what it means. That little front plant box that we have? Yeah, we can do that.

Yes. I think family business is maybe exempt too. I'm not sure, I'm looking for that. Yeah. Like why a farm? Yeah, let's get some bottom of that. Because farms, I get it. It makes sense, kind of, but why not any other business then?

I don't know. Speaking of farms, I need to address this. I pissed off a lot of people, apparently, with one of our episodes. You did. Because I don't know. Speaking of farms, I need to address this. I pissed off a lot of people apparently with one of our episodes. You did. Because I talked about the subsidies to the farms. I said, you know, farms don't look like what you think they look like.

It's not like the mom and pop farms. There are some of these mom and pop ones, but the vast majority of our food is produced by these massive corporations. But that's not the vast majority of the foods produced by the bigger corporate like farms, but there's way more mom-pop farms than there are the big farms.

Yeah, but when you look at it as a general market share, it's a very, very small piece. But that wasn't my point. My point with that was, you know, when it comes to propping up markets because the distortions in the market, it doesn't matter. It's just inefficient, it doesn't matter who's there.

And yes, there are always people that will pay the price for bad economics. And so I'm definitely empathetic to that. I don't even remember what you said, but you definitely, you did stir it up. Yeah, that was, it was that statement right there. Like, we own a farm, we only have a thousand, five hundred acres and blow it up.

I'm like, okay, well, I get it. So, yeah, 12. We're good. And once they're 12. Yeah, well, we're solid. Yeah, man, my daughter can start now. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah.

It's an internship. My youngest is five. Yeah, you can learn're solid. Yeah, my daughter could start now. She's early. Yeah. Yeah. It's a internship. My youngest is five Yeah, you can learn some stuff. I'm excited. Hey, what did you think about Bishop Barron's vans, dude? I love how cool is that I didn't even notice you didn't notice Oh, no, oh so great the slip on kind and everything he looked like super like ready to skateboard dude It was amazing. I liked meeting Was it the C his CEO Yes of his company father Steve's all jacked. Yeah, it's all buffed. Yeah, I was like what yeah What was he saying about how they were when they did they first started you to where they did something

They did some special and they wanted him to come on a skateboard Cuz they wanted to make him more like accessible and like more relatable So like yeah, why don't you come in on a skateboard. You're like, hey, what's up, dudes? Yeah. Like, come on. But he's got two guys on his team that are really into working out. Now, didn't you send him, you get, they're going to be doing maps, right? Maps Prime Pro for Joe and for Father Steve, because they're both experienced. And then there's another gentleman on their team. I forgot his name, apologies, but he's going to do a map centabolic, which I think is pretty cool. Boom. He's the big Jack guy. You keep forgetting about it. He's six, five and like two eighty.

Is that the guy who has Joe, the guy that's really Jacked, Brandon, Brandon, the guy that I'm giving maps and a ball. I thought it was Joe that they said was the big, the big tie. I don't know. You've been talking to him more than any of us, so you would know better than anybody. I think that's just cool. It's just cool. You know what I mean? It's very cool. And Quiqueau I'm going for everything. Today's clause brought to you by Max and a Bollock. If you're looking to maximize your overall

muscle and strength, Max and a Bollock is the perfect place to to start With a full 30-day money back guarantee there is absolutely zero risk So what is you waiting for go to my promenade.com and get started today The motherfucking for Eagerness landed Quikwa Our first question is from Diego H. Barrigan. I'm 19 years old and I'm just coming off a cut. I went from 160 to 139 pounds. Right now I'm hovering around 141 to 143 pounds. I want to put on some quality muscle.

How long and how aggressive should I bulk? You know, here's the thing with bulks that we've talked a lot on the show about being on a long cut, a long calorie cut, and what happens to the metabolism and how the body stops responding and how it's beneficial to interrupt a cut with maintenance or above maintenance. In fact, there's a study that was recently published that made the rounds that compared actually groups of people where one group just stayed on a cut for 12 weeks and the other group actually in between the, you know, for that 12 week period actually had a period of maintenance or slight surplus. And the group that fluctuated their calories or allowed themselves to eat more in between

this 12 week cut actually lost more body fat. Now those of us in the fitness industry know this through anecdote. We've known this for a long time. I remember for myself the first time I ever really tried to get shredded, which was as an adult. I remember going off on a weekend and just eating whatever I wanted to,

coming back, eating clean again, and like one or two days later got leaner, or look leaner than I had before, and I remember thinking like, oh, this is really crazy. This happens with the bulk also. I think what a lot of people are trying to put on weight, they're so afraid of losing muscle and they have to continue to pound themselves with calories

that they don't realize that, it actually, the anabolic effect from the extra calorie starts to decline One of the most effective things I've ever done or recommended to people who are trying to put on muscle and on a aggressive bulk Is to throw in fast like one or two day 24 hour fast Go back to the bulk you will lose a few pounds of water or whatever But about four three four days after, you'll notice this kind of rebound effect. And you know, competitive athletes and bodybuilders have

known this for a long time. One of the most anabolic feelings you'll ever have in your entire life is if you've ever gotten shredded and then eaten afterward to fed yourself more, you just put on muscle. You just assimilates everything so effectively. Dude, the workouts I had after the leanest I ever got was when I took photos from abs at a ball. And I got down to, I don't know where I got down. It's probably 4, 5%. I got really, really shredded after that. I started feeding myself more. And there was, it was

like the rebound was, and I didn't go crazy. I didn't need shitty food either. I ate relatively healthy still. But the muscle building effects from that were, I mean, it was comparable to back when I would take the over-the-counter designer steroid, you know, days. My body just sucked it up, and that's when I started to realize, like, if I want to really put on muscle, I need to interrupt it with these periods of lower calories, because your body adapts and it stops using it the way you want. Studies show too high protein all the time. You actually become less efficient with how you use protein. And basically what that means is not that you're wasting the protein necessarily, but more of it gets used

for energy, they get used for tissue building repair. Well, I like to give the analogy of it like being like a sponge. Like we're running water over a sponge. And if you're on a bulk that's you just running water through the sponge, you keep doing that. Like the sponge is going to soak up a bunch of it. And then eventually a lot of it is kind of spilling out and spilling through the sponge. Nothing better than to just ring that out completely and then run it under again. So think of the same way when you're going through a bulk. Like, you know, if I'm feeding for like over, over consuming on calories for two, three weeks,

and I start to notice like progress start to stall. Like I'll throw a fast like sales, talking about oral run like three days in a row of just lower calories. So if my, if my bulking, you know, calories is 4,000 calories, and I've been running 4,000 calories for like two or three weeks, then I'll, I'll turn around and do a 3,000 or a 2,500 calorie day, two, three

days of that in a row, and then go back, back up. Now would the inverse of this, would you guys do that as well as far as like being on an aggressive cut? Absolutely. 100%. Absolutely. 100%. Same rules apply. I think it's even more important on the cut.

Oh, man. Absolutely, because with the cut, your metabolism, well look, here's a deal. It's more important with the cut because most people are trying to cut. But let me tell you something, when you're bulking and you cut, your metabolism, well look, here's a deal, it's more important with the cut because most people are trying to cut. But let me tell you something, when you're bulking and you have a fast metabolism, you're pushing it, pushing it, that shit can get really annoying and very difficult.

And here's one of the biggest challenges when you're trying to put on muscle and size, especially if you're 19 year old male who might have a fast metabolism, your appetite starts to get, you start to lose your appetite. Like, you just keep force feeding yourself, and it's like, I don't want to eat anymore. You know, that's something you have to contend with.

And if you do like a, it's work, man. You do three, four days of low calories, watch your appetite come right back. Here's the thing at 19, though, one of the hardest things when you're 19 years old, I remember trying to be trying to build muscle and add weight at 19 is you're so stuck on the scale weight.

And that, when you're, when you're trying to gain, and gain, and gain, I'm ever getting up, and getting up first thing in the morning and seeing where I was at, feeding all day long, weighing myself before I went to bed, and then having goals for myself, I want to be this heavy before bed. And when you start to realize how much your body

holds onto water and let's go to, let's go of water every single day and how much of that pairs with sodium and water and with carbohydrates. So for every three grams of carbohydrates that we take in, your body holds three ounces of water. So if you today had 30 more grams of carbohydrates, which is really not very much, that's 60 something ounces that your body can hold on to water that day. That's a big difference. You put 60 ounces on a scale. That's a big difference on the scale.

So the fluctuation up and down on the scale, you can't let it get into your head, which is what used to happen to me. I didn't know all that as a kid. Yeah, you would push. So you just, you went up or didn't go down. Right. It's like the dirty bulk. Yeah. I was so, because in your whole calories, you think that scale drops also drops, you know, three pounds one day because I couldn't get enough calories. Oh God, I lost muscle. It's like, no, you didn't lose a bunch of muscle. You just don't have as much water that your body's holding. So if you can break through that and

just not let it mentally fuck you and go, Hey, I'm gonna relax, let myself have two or three days that are low calorie, like Salah saying, you'll kick that appetite back up and then you go right back to your surplus. So here's what I like to do with bulks when I'm training clients for a bulk. Here's what I like to do. When you're going into the bulk, believe it or not, I do the biggest calorie increase in the beginning. I know it sounds reverse, like people think you have to work your way up. I do the biggest calorie boost in the beginning,

then I slowly taper it down, and then I do a maintenance or slightly a short period of cut, and then I do it again. Why do I do it that way? When you're coming off of a cut, and I'm not talking when I say the most calorie boost, I don't mean like insane crap food, okay?

So this is all in context. You're capturing that window. Yeah, I'm capturing that window of when it's gonna get turned into muscle. Now your body starts to adapt after about a week or two, your metabolism starts to speed up, believe it or not. And or if you push it, you just start to put on body fat, which, you know, if you're bulking for a sport like football,

sometimes that's okay, you want the extra weight, but most people don't want to put on, you know, body fat, they want lean body mass. So I'll start with the more aggressive bulk, which anywhere between 300 to 700 calories surplus, I would say, sometimes a thousand, depending on the person I'm working with, I don't know, what about you Adam?

When you give someone, is it... No, I would, well, people that I'm coaching is totally different because that would be based off of how long I've been coaching for them, how I've assessed their metabolism before and so I would go as low as 250 or 500, but then I would go as high as a thousand plus. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't push anywhere beyond about a thousand to 1500 maybe, maybe and not longer than a week or two. Yeah, so we'll, we'll refeed like, so when I was coaching Melissa for her show Getting her ready and I like using her because she's a small female so you can get kind of an idea You know, it will run like three days in a row

Where so her her maintenance like her her caloric maintenance is like around two thousand calories and when we're cutting for a show We're playing with somewhere between 1600 and 1800 to kind of like consistently We're playing with somewhere between 1,600 and 1,800 to kind of like consistently dropper. But then what I'll do is, like as we get closer to show time, is I'll tell you, okay, I want, you know, three days in a row, I want you to run it like 1,300 calories, which is really low.

But then after her three days in a row of 1,300 calories, I'll push her all the way up to like 2,600, 2,700 calories. So it depends on that, right? So it depends on how depleted I am on how much I'm gonna feed. Like, so like you're saying you're right. Like, that's, I'm gonna feed the hardest after low calorie, after a fast, after I've been cutting for a while. That's when you're gonna feed the hardest is,

it's just like a sponge. Again, when you've been ringed out completely, like it's gonna be able to absorb the most amount of water, right after you've rung it out, not after you've poured a little bit some, a little bit more, a little bit more. So same concept, you're gonna do the same thing, you're gonna feed hard, and that's gonna be all relative to who you're talking to.

And you are after lean body mass, so I think it is important that you don't just pay attention to scale. Look at your performance, look at how your body feels, look at how it looks, you know, putting on, you know, 10 pounds in a month, most of it's probably not muscle. I mean, let's be honest, right? So if you're going, you know, people say how aggressive should I, should I bulk? I don't know. I would say if you're, you're staying relatively lean, I wouldn't go more than a few pounds a month. And that's still kind of aggressive for muscle gain. But because of his age, I'd say three, four pounds a month for a few months, I've done

it. I've done it where I've trained an 18, 19 year old and put 10 to 15 pounds of muscle on them in a three month period of almost all muscle. I've done it before, but we had to do it pretty smart. But definitely if you're going, it matters to how lean he is. Like, I mean, if you're a 19 year old kid and you're 8% body fat, you're so skinny, like you aggressively bulking is not as damaging as the person who's already at 16, 17% and they're bulking.

So, you know, because we still, I'll still bulk a client or I hate saying bulk, because people think bulk and they think it's big. I'll feed a client higher than their maintenance calories, even if they're overweight. Even if you're somebody who comes to me and you're 30 pounds overweight, I'll still feed you in a surplus

because we want to ramp the metabolism up. But my goal in that case is, I don't want to see any real weight gain. I just want to keep trying to creep your calories up without adding a ton of weight, where a kid like this, well, I'm not as concerned if we put five or six pounds on. And you're just, I mean, only you're going to know when you're looking at yourself and

paying attention to, you know, how, how much of that you're putting on that weight. I'll tell you what though, you know, I can really relate, you know, 19 years old skinny man, I could eat. It was like I was a, it was a garbage. Those are about my numbers right there, that 19. Really? Yeah, yeah. You weighed 160 pounds? Yeah.

140. I graduated high school at 145, at 63. Oh yeah, you were... You could see my ribs. You were pretty thin there. Yeah, being whole. Yeah, that was real. No, so I was...

I was 190 when I graduated. But I had to be lifting weights at 14. I was 185. I was pretty skinny bones. Really, really? 185 is pretty good size for a high school kid. Yeah, that's five, six. Shut up.

Yeah. Six foot, man. Next question. With heels. Next question is from Grace Hills 14. How do you approach someone in the gym who has horrible form to the point where they may hurt themselves?

I don't tell you about this right now. They'll be coming off his mask. I don't work at the gym, but I'm a personal trainer elsewhere. Should I do something or just leave it alone? This is a tough one, man. Depends, man. I remember, I'll just tell you about some of the worst things I've seen in the gym. I saw a guy, there was a one guy, he used to come in, used to grab the lap pull down bar, he'd load up the weight stack and then he'd use his knees to pry himself

down because he couldn't get down because the bar was, the stack was everything. So now he's being stretched by the bar with weight on it and then he would just twist back and forth. He would do like, I don't know what he was doing and then he would let go of it so it could a little spinal action. Then he'd add weight to the weight stack like I don't know what he was doing and then you would let go of it So it's a little spinal action then he'd add weight to the to the weight stack And I don't know why he'd add it away. I'm like you're not using the resistance. It's just you know stretching out But I worked at the gym and I would say something if you don't work at a gym I recommend you don't say I think it's actually really easy if you're a personal trainer You should know this okay if I see somebody who is and and typically it's like the, an older lady who is looking

at the machine and you could tell that she's lost it, which is like, if I see that and she looks like she's lost and then she's doing a movement that could potentially hurt her, absolutely. I'll come over and I'll come say something to her. And I think she'll appreciate that. But if it's somebody, if it's somebody who, it looks like they think they know what they're doing and they're getting after it and they're not looking around or looking like they don't know what they're doing, it's not in my fucking business. If it's not my gym, if I'm not working at that gym, because if I'm working at that gym, that's a potential lead.

So that's a no-your-oddance. 100%. Like, if you have, exactly, if there around and kind of like unsure about what they're doing You know, I'm like, hey, what are you up to? Like you know, you kind of spark conversation initially with that But if it's somebody that's like like we saw in that you we're not gonna go up to them and like give them proper cues No, they're unique and make it make it Make it too shit about it athletes, you know, slap each other on the ass town each other how great their form was

Yeah, I'm not gonna go in and rub that like so I'm gonna get into a fight. Yeah, no It's not it's not my place to go do that. Have you guys seen some pretty gnarly injuries in the gym that you run? You know, be honest. I haven't read mill for the most part. Yeah I've seen crashes. I've seen people, you know drop weights on themself. I've seen things like that But I haven't seen somebody like really, really fucked himself. I saw a guy snap his forearm and half. Whoa, yeah, yeah, Hillsdale. Wow.

Hillsdale, he was, how do you snap your forearm in there? Well, what are you doing? Well, him and his buddy were benching. Hammer girls with 140s. No, him and his buddy were benching or incline benching, and his buddy unwracked one side of the bar. So the other side, you know, with the weight, flipped the bar, he was standing next to it. So the bar flipped over and just hit him in the arm.

So it's like a 45-pound bar. That's like a total bi-accident, right? And it's freak accident. Well, dude, bone sticking out, blood. Oh, yeah, it was a bad one, dude. Everybody freaked out. That was one of the worst ones. I saw a guy tear his quad. That was kind of weird.

That's a really good point that you're bringing up though right now because I mean, we've all been doing this for 16, 20 years and I can count on one hand how many times I've seen like a major injury and I don't think I can even think of a one like that, like that's happened. So most people are probably not gonna hurt themselves that bad in the gym. Now you might get some muscle strains.

I've definitely seen people like deadlift and they're like, oh, you see them walk away. But fuck, I've done that. You know what I'm saying? I just did that the other day, like an asshole. You know what I'm saying? I was with the young kids and trying to show off and I felt a pump and I was like, oh shit.

So I'm not immune to it. No, I don't think you should go up to somebody and say something to them, especially if you don't work at the gym. If you really are concerned, and you really think someone should say something, then go tell the staff to say it, because you will not be received very well. Typically, usually you're not gonna be received very well.

No, it's not your job. I'm not to go tell. It's like, yeah, it very well. Yeah, it's not your it's not your job I'm not to go tell it's like it's not your job. It's not your place Yeah, but if you're look if you're a trainer and you're like oh this person's gonna for sure hurt themselves I had I almost had a situation how many times you've seen that happen You just we just went we just but all of us is a ragtag I cannot think of a time where someone has really really hurt Them so I saw it golds the one you work at, I saw one of the trainers they're doing circuits with an old lady and she was doing box jumps. Oh, if it's a trainer, if it's a trainer doing that, I'm gonna say something with a trainer.

What do you say? Oh, just like, no you're not, you're not. No, I'm not. You're a fucker. I feel like it's hell to me. You're such a liar. What the hell does that have to do with that? You're right, I don't give you shit.

I'm just happy right now. That's on them. That was either Jedi by Tractor. I feel like all of a sudden, I want to do something, but no, I still wouldn't. Have you ever had somebody try to correct your form? Yes, dude. Yes, dude. It happened at like Orange Theory one time, I was dude.

Oh, yes. With the TRX and like fucking like, like telling me I need to flare my elbows on. Now this is the most common thing that I see. And this is what a trainer who's asking this question. So the most common thing I see is an overly ambitious new trainer. An overly ambitious new trainer who just learned something,

right, and they want to go out and teach him, which I don't want to shit on that. But at the same time too, you need to have some social awareness. If the person who you want to go give advice to, because you think their form is bad, is not looking around like they're lost, leaving the fuck alone. But you can see there is a very clear distinction when you see that person who's like reading the machine and like, you know, looking at their hands while they're doing the exercise. They look lost and you walk up to that train and you touch them

on the shoulder and you say, hey, sir or ma'am, would you like me to help you with that or show you how to use that? They'll light up and they'll be so excited you came over. They used to train us to say, I don't know if they taught you guys this, but this is a long time ago. They used to train us to say, when you go up to someone and you want to, you know, talk to them about personal training, you notice that their form is off, what you're supposed to say is,

excuse me sir, can I show you another way to do that? Did they teach you guys that? Yeah, yeah, so you don't insult them. So can I show you another way to do that? In other words, the way you're doing it, which is bit wrong, the way I do it, which is right. Not condescending at all. I used to ask, I used to ask what they're working out

that day, like I would walk, I just start conversation. So if I was a trainer enough, now if I'm a trainer and I see shitty form, I used to ask what they're working out that day. Like I would walk, I just start conversations. So, if I was a trainer enough, now if I'm a trainer and I see shitty form, and even an opportunity, yeah, it's a lead, right? So now, but even still, I'm not walking up. So let's take the, the guy's, the guy's, the guy's, we saw yesterday, right? Okay, those guys, I would approach

if it was my gym and I was a trainer there. But I would, I'd be very careful on how I do it. I'd walk up and I'd befriend them first. Hey, what do you guys lived in today? Oh, back Oh, shoot. How long you has been dead? I've been for it. Man, that's and I would create a conversation around I wouldn't come in and insult them and go, like, hey, you know, your form sucks. Can you want me to show you how to do it? Right? You know, like, that I would not do because I'm not going to convert that into a client. So I would come in asking you questions over here. Yeah. No, I'd come in asking questions. Check yourself. And if it's not your gym, you're not getting leads from it.

Pay attention to your own workout. Next up is John Wilmuth. Many NFL offensive linemen have lost 50 plus pounds within a few months of retiring. What are the long term effects of force feeding your body to stay above 300 pounds? Is there a metabolism permanently broken? The last thing that the NFL offensive lineman

need to think about in regards to their health is force feeding their body food. That's honestly, that's the honest got truth. I mean, what do you mean? Well, what's the biggest risk that they are are you covering up on playing? I get you, I can play questions and things like that. Oh my God, so, soank cations and things like that. Oh my God.

So, so, yeah, it's almost like insurance. Well, if you're a lineman, if you don't feed yourself to be that big, something much worse is gonna happen. You then what that food is. Why were talking, could you, could you do me a favor and pull up the life expectancy? Yeah, I have average, oh, is that what you're pulling out? It's like 54 or something.

Yes, it's low as fuck. Yeah, so I was looking this, so let's see. Let the Googler, let the Googler do it. I'm still looking, the Googler. I know I looked this up the other day though, and there was 500 players listed right now that are over 300 pounds. So it's like, the game has escalated to 15,

15, 15, 15. Everybody's competitive as far as like, how much weight they can put on because they're going against such monsters. Yeah. So it really is like something to be concerned about because to the life expecting to see for somebody that heavy is pretty shitty.

Did you find it, Doug? Yeah, 5,3,3,9. Yeah. So that's super easy. That's super young. But this is for the big boys though. This is not. And Justin brings up a good point because,

and we talk about, because everyone does talk about what's sourced about, the concussions, and that's the big fear. Or just the beat down in the body. But, you know, I could probably put an argument together that the 53 to 59 is probably more internal shit that's wrong with them because of potentially things like overeating and steroid use and lots of things

like that for a long period of time, that may have done more internal damage to them than even like it's not even that long because if you look at the average length of time that someone plays in the NFL because that's an average right? So that's an average of everybody that retires If you look at the average length of time someone plays in the NFL, it's not that long. It's not a long career Well, no now you're talking about average, but those, those same people are probably the people that drive that number up even higher because they live longer. They only played the NFL for three years. Right. So the ones that play longer,

it's probably lower than, than, than, what it says generally, like three, three and a half years. Offensive and defensive lineman had a 52% greater risk of dying from heart disease in the gym. There you go. There you go. So that's a valid concern. But you know what, it reminds me the question where we've to dress before about the Olympian, right? Like if you were to, you, we asked,

or they asked if you were... This was a study. Yeah, right? Yeah, if you asked them, if they could win a gold medal, and then they would die within five years. Within five years, like, the majority would choose death.

Yes, it's crazy. So most of these guys that are working their asses off to get to the NFL, they don't care. They don't care. I'll do anything to get there. And if you were to ask them, like, hey, you're gonna die in X amount of years because you did all this stuff.

I'm sure. It's funny because the majority of them would say, it is what it is., like, hey, you're gonna die in X amount of years because you did all this stuff, I'm sure. It's funny because... Because the Jority then would say, it is what it is. It's funny because when you're competing in such a highly competitive market, okay? So you can even look at tech, like I wanna be the number one tech mogul or whatever, or football or whatever.

When you're competing in a high market, it a highly competitive market, I should say, the top people, it's definitely going to skew towards people who are willing to do whatever it takes. That's just the way it is, right? If you want to be the best at anything at that level, you probably have an attitude that says, I really don't give a fuck, I'll sacrifice my body. I'll sacrifice my brain, sacrifice my body. I'll sacrifice my brain, I'll sacrifice my family. Family, all that stuff. Whatever, it's funny, it's like when they bring up CEO,

you know, salaries, you're like, yeah, does a CEO deserve to make, you know, a million dollars? And it's like, he works 120 hours a week, right? You know, he doesn't live at home half the time. And, you know, it's a great analogy, I think it's anywhere, right? Anywhere, you just kind of don't care. And here's the thing, I'm playing in the NFL, and I'm a lineman, and I'm thinking to myself,

okay, do I want to be 300 pounds and eat too much food, which may be bad for my heart, or do I want to be 220 pounds and get murdered? Right. At the line. At the line. Yeah, okay, which one's more dangerous? To be quite honest with you,

you know, being big is probably more of a safety at that particular point. Yeah, and it's more like desirable for coaches to recruit, you know, you want to have a big ass lineman because, you know, that's that's way to drive the ball forward and you're going against other big behemoths. You need somebody else to counter that. Well, I think too is the game. The end of this too is their metabolism. I don't think their metabolism's permanently broken.

I think I don't think. You know what I think is more affected than anything? Is the mental space because like I've trained and I know you guys will echo this. I've trained a lot of X like D1, you know, high level athletes college athletes, right? So like swimmers or volleyball players or basketball or even football Where they were at a very very high level in college and then you know, now they're hiring me and it's 10 15 years after college Right, so now they're like 40 years old. They want to me to train them. One of the most difficult people to train are these people.

Or sure. And ex-athletes, the hardest client. Yes, I hated training ex-athletes because they still, they're way too hard. Yes. Their mentality is all, it's stuck there. Not only is their mentality on working out, stuck there where.

So is nutrition. Nutrition. Everything. Like I remember I trained this female client who wanted to lose 30 pounds And she was a very She was an Olympic alternate alternate for swimming so she was like a badass in college, right? But this was I don't know 12 or 13 years after college. She had a baby. She gained 30 pounds

She wasn't I mean when she was training at her highest level. She was in the pool for six to seven hours every single day, right? So she would tell me, like, I eat healthy and I don't know why I can't lose weight. My metabolism must be just destroyed from pregnancy. So I started having her track and she was blown away at how many calories she was eating because her concept of appropriate levels of food was based on-

It was very skewed. It was based on when she was doing all that, six, seven hours of swimming and shit So I show her like oh that chicken breast right there that you're eating is a hundred grams of protein That's not the serving for you, you know, what do you mean? I see this kind of stuff all the time You know, no, no, no, it doesn't work. So that's the most difficult They train they train so explosive like you're 50 now 50 bro, we're not gonna bench like that anymore

You gotta stop doing that. But when you train someone for, or when someone trains for 20 years of their life, a certain way, it's really hard to be that young trainer who gets you and then also is gonna change and break those habits, especially, and that's the other part, the other mental piece, is when they identify with the best shape

or the best they ever felt, was when they were doing X, Y, and Z. So I'm gonna do that again. Right, X, Y, and Z. I was eating like this, I was training like this, and so I know it works, and then try being that other chair, and it's like, oh, we're gonna slow down on this.

We're not gonna eat like that. They're like, come on, get out of here with that. The other problem too is the skewed understanding of intensity or at least pain. So like if I'll get somebody who was an athlete 10 years ago but hasn't worked out since, they don't understand that their body, they haven't worked out for 10 years. And so they think, all I'm gonna work out now

and I know what pain feels like and I'm okay with it. This is just soreness. Yeah, and I'll be like, Yeah, it's probably. No, no, no, no, no, like, we have to start way, way, way, way lower than that. And like when I can do like 50 more set, like this doesn't even hurt, like, okay, that's a point.

Well, then you add into all the imbalances. So most athletes are, I mean, most sports are play, you know, you're either right footed or like a pencitori pattern. Yes, you've created this in these crazy imbalances on your body and you've been able to cheat through it your entire life and so you don't realize how much dysfunction it's caused in the rest of your body and trying to reverse that dysfunction.

Oh my God, nightmare dude. Yeah, yeah. No, I would say for these guys afterwards, they, the smart ones probably have like a post, you know, career training regime, a post you know career Training regime a post career. Oh, it's crucial nutrition. Yeah, it's it's absolutely crucial because otherwise They could set themselves up, you know pretty poorly, so yeah Next question is from dining with Dio

Have you ever negotiated for a raise? How did you go about it? Yeah, I'm interested in here. You know, I didn't work for any, I've been in entrepreneur since I was 22, right? So I've been doing it for a long time, but I know both of you guys worked longer for 24 than I did, and I know in particular you Adam, you had to negotiate several times, right?

On behalf of my staff, not so much myself, well, here's the thing, I Adam you had to negotiate several times right on behalf of my staff not so much myself Well, here's the thing I didn't have to negotiate that hard because I Let my work do the negotiating. I just had this conversation with Inzo Well, because Inzo stayed with me while we were in Santa Barbara and he's a young 17 year old kid And I was explaining to him that you know some of the generation and I know this is an overgeneralization to say the generation now, right? Because there were slackers when I was a kid too, you know. But it seems like this, this, we're in this generation now of the instant gratification

and they expect to get certain things where I just wasn't raised that way because I didn't have much. And so I don't have that mentality. I had to work and fight for everything. And I remember when I worked as a kid in high school at the dairy, right? So I worked at the ranch. There was four other, you know, CalMilkers and ranch hands. So we and we did everything.

What's the technical term though? Bovine mammary extraction. Yeah, please. So I told the chief. Yeah. Bovine mammary extraction technician. Made a whole four dollars. You are a lab coat. Yeah, it's a bovine memory extraction technician. Made a whole $4. You are a lab coat.

For sure. You can take it to curls, junior athletes. Yeah, so when I was doing that, there was four of us, and we did everything, right? It wasn't just the milking the cows. There's a lot of other things on the job that we had to do. I took pride in being the best at it. Now, I had no, I didn't love the job.

I found a way to love the job. I got to be like, oh, I want to milk cows when I get older. I didn't think about that. It was the only, it was either that or work at a restaurant, right? But when I was working there, I wanted to be the best at what I did.

So, and the best when you're working for someone is the most efficient, which doesn't really benefit me. Means I make less money. Means if I get the job done faster than the other guy, I get paid less. But I didn't, where I feel like some kids think about that and they're like, well, that's stupid.

Who would do that? I want to make more money and the whole idea is to make more money. But I thought of it like, okay, well, if I'm the best at everybody, I'm irreplaceable. And that to me was more valuable than trying to make 50 more cents. And inevitably, it always ended up getting you a raise in the long term. Yeah, to echo that, and I definitely share those same sentiments, but like, at the same time, you start to evaluate whether or not you're being valued. So this is something

that I would use is sort of, you know, this is the last sort of straw for me. You're not recognizing my talent. You're not recognizing my value for this company. I'm the fuck out of here for me, you're not recognizing my talent, you're not recognizing my value for this company, I'm the fuck outta here. And you can give me an offer as I walk out the door, usually I made up my mind at that point, but there's been a couple of points where, a couple of times where companies have actually brought me back and given me a raise.

But I mean, that's kind of an extreme example, but I had the same mentality. I'm not trying to get in there and like, like make a case for myself. If you don't recognize it, you know, that's to your loss. To me, that would motivate me, right? So this has happened to me with pay, and then it's also happened like,

here's a non-worked pay analogy that's similar, is I remember when I got into competing, and everybody told me about all the politics. And if I didn't have a coach and I didn't have a team, there'd be no way that I could win. And I remember getting into it and seeing a lot of those things. But all that did was drive me because I thought, okay, yeah, that makes it more challenging because of that for sure, because if there's politics involved, but if I'm so good, if I'm so much better than everybody else, they just can't deny it.

And I feel the same way about work. Like, you know, there's absolutely some jobs are not going to value, some jobs the CEOs busy and he doesn't have time to think about what you're doing, but that would just drive me to be that much better. Like I'm going to be so fucking good, you can't ignore who I am. And so when I- But you also combine that with a high degree of assertiveness. And this is the thing,

because what you're communicating makes a lot of sense, but a lot of people get stuck thinking that, I'm just gonna be good, and they're gonna pay me more. And that's because they're insecure about how they- Well, here's the reality, because they've done, I've actually done a lot of research

on this actual specific subject. And what they very strongly connected, your pay is very strongly connected to two traits. Besides, there's a lot of traits, right? Consciousness and there's a few others, but there's also agreeableness and assertiveness. The more agreeable you are, the less likely you are to get a raise, the more assertive you are,

the more likely you are to get a raise. In fact, they have to control for that when they're comparing position to position or when they're comparing men to women and they're saying, why do men make more than women in these same exact position they control the factors? And one of them is that men tend to rank much higher in assertiveness and women tend to tend to generally,

because when you go on the individual, when you look at one person, of course they can be either or, but women tend to be more towards agreeable this. And there's people, there's actual coaches that coach people on how to get raises. And one of the things that they coach him is on how to be more assertive. And here's another thing. Here's a big strategy is people who are willing to leave and find other jobs get raises.

People who stick and don't go anywhere, tend to not. So one of the most effective things you can do is before you ask for a raise, go find another competitive job, get a job offer. Oh, look around, man. Bring that to your manager and say it just like this. Look, I love working here. I really appreciate everything this company's done for me. I like working for you. This is just something that happened. I don't want to leave, but they're paying me more. Please give me a reason not to leave.

Yeah, you will try to forgive me. You first have to, I have this conversation with Katrina a lot right now, because she's established herself and her company as one of the most dominant people in part of the executive team or the management team, right? And I keep telling her like you, and she does get raises on a very consistent basis,

but I'm like, your value is so much higher than where it's, and they keep telling you that. You're constantly telling her that, you now have that leverage, but I think you first have to establish that. Like a assertiveness is important. Yeah, don't ask for a raise if you suck. Right, that's of course.

Well, that, but let's be a lot of people do the, yes, I mean, sometimes questions like this's be honest, people do, yes. I mean, sometimes questions like this come from that person. You wonder exactly. Yeah, come from people. I get point, you're point. So I was heading in the direction where you're at, because you absolutely gotta have the balls

to be able to say, I'm out of here. But the only way you get that is if you've created enough value and you believe you're that type of thing. You have to negotiate from a strong position. Yeah, and a strong position is, you've provided lots of value and you believe you're that kind of. You have to negotiate from a strong position. Yeah. And a strong position is you've provided lots of value to the company, you're fucking kicking ass and you know it and everybody else knows it.

And here's the ace in your sleeve, get another job offer. I can't tell you how powerful that is. You get a job offer for someone who's gonna offer you to pay you $10,000 more a year and you put that in front of your manager. After you say, I love working, I don't wanna leave $10,000 more a year, and you put that in front of your manager after you say, I love working, I don't wanna leave.

However, I have to see if that could be a great determiner too, if you're not finding any jobs. You ain't that good, bro. You ain't good. You ain't that fucking good. Step your shell. It's just like it's a great point. It's just like a player in a sports team. You know what I'm saying? This happens all the time with them.

They think they're so good, they're a big part of why the team's having a lot of success. Well then why does nobody else want you? If nobody else wants to pay that money for you either, you're not worth that much. Yeah, you're not that good. That's actually a very, that's actually a very strong market signal.

Because the market will determine, and I love saying this pisses people off. The market determines your value. Now, I don't mean you're not a value-be-human. I don't mean you're, you're less of a person or you need to be treated poorly on it. And that's not what I mean. What I mean is, in the market, in society,

the market determines your value. So, yes, I don't care how hard you work at flipping burgers or digging ditches or doing other jobs that are very physically demanding. If the pay is low, that's because there's a lot of people willing to do that job. If you're paying, getting paid a lot, it's because there's a lot of people willing to do that job. If you're paying, getting paid a lot, it means that there's a small pool

and you're one of the few people that can do that job. However, it's easier, hard, you perceive it to do it. So if you think you need a raise and you're going out and looking for a comparative job, that's gonna pay you more and you're finding that no one's offering you any more money or they're offering you less money, that is a market signal.

That's telling you like like oh, I was off I thought I was worth more but the reality is my value to the market is actually What they're paying me and that's the kicker when you when you alluded over to me and and having to deal with this and my assertiveness It's like well, I don't you don't come across as someone's not gonna say something either Yeah, well, I've also always were I've always had other options I've always had it just like Katrina has right now. Like she's working all these jobs and with other these huge contractors and big deals,

and they're always like, hey, would you ever come here and how much do you make? And they're always offering, like that's your sign that it's time for you to level up on your company that you're in right now. It's like time for you to let them know, like hey, everyone else is offering me all this money. You can work, I love working here.

This is what I want to make. And that's kind of how the conversation goes down, exactly that. I love working here. I'm getting offered from other places to go work there for more money. I want to stay here. I want to continue to perform you guys,

but I need to make this much money. I never understood. Bottom line. I never understood people would go in, I never understand when people try to negotiate from a position of weakness. And what I mean by that is, if you go ask your boss,

can I have a raise? You go ask your boss for a raise, and you have nothing in your corner, and he calls your bluff, or she calls your bluff and says no, and now you gotta leave with your tail between your legs. Like, have something, have something, so you can sit down, you can your legs. Like, have something, have something.

Like, so you could sit down, you could show them. That's such a powerful position. If I had an employee that I value, and I was paying them 20 bucks an hour, and I really liked him, and they came to me and said to me, Sal, I really liked it. This person, those are gonna pay me. Here's the offer, it's 30 bucks an hour.

But I'm gonna be like, you know, I'm gonna figure out a way. Like, it's much more powerful than someone coming up to me, like I deserve more. This reminds me of the show Billions, remember? When they're all asking for their raise and to pitch to him, you know, their reasoning. You should watch that episode specifically. I don't know which one it was, but it's a great episode.

Here's something that my ex-wife used to do, that used to just, oh, used to make me so angry, right? So she would get a review every year, she worked this company forever, and I kept telling her like, she used to just, oh, she used to make me so angry, right? So she would get a review every year. It's she worked with this company forever. And I kept telling her like, you should change jobs, you don't like it there and you'll make more and she never listened to me. But every year they would go to do this like evaluation

to give you a raise, right? And so they would ask you and people do this and it's so stupid to me. They'll ask you, well, how much would you like to get paid? And people will actually give them a range. Like, oh, I'd like a five to seven dollar raise. What do you think they're going to pick? Yeah. If they pick anything, they're going to pick five dollars. Don't give them a range. Tell them what you want. You know what I'm saying? I want seven dollars. That's

what I want. You know, start right there. I know. I feel like people do that all the time, it makes me laugh. You know, a good read for this conversation. One is crucial conversations, that's a good book, and then Jack Welch's winning. Both those are excellent reads, and as far as, you know, having these tough types of conversations, because that can be tough, right?

It can be challenging for someone to go. Especially if you like your boss. Right, right. You know, especially if you like your boss. Right, right. You know, especially if you like your boss, but that's why I think you go to them and you're just, if you're smart though, if you really like your boss and you have a relationship, that gives you more leverage.

You know what I'm saying? Right, right, absolutely. Don't be. Sit down, be honest, tell them exactly what's going on. I've done this before, the short periods of time I did work for, you know, for corporate companies. I did ask for raises a couple of times and I would list all the things that I value.

I would be very honest. Look, here's what I like about working here. I like working out. I like working with you guys. You're good people. I like the location. It's good to my house. I like the benefits.

But pay is also very important and pay is probably one of the most important because I have a family to support. And here's what the offer looks like from this to the place. And they're not as close, and I don't know the people, but they seem nice, but they're gonna pay me so much more. If you guys can match this, I'd have no reason to go anywhere.

I wanna stay here. Right, right. And that's a lot of power. And you'll probably get what you want. Oh, 100%. Well, don't fully yourself, though, either. Like, if no one else is offering you a shit, you ain't that good.

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