Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 829: Best Exercises to Build a 6-Pack, How to Eat Healthy on the Road, Barbell Shrug Variations & MORE

Episode Date: August 4, 2018

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, ob-mite, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 54 minutes with your introductory conversation. We start out by talking about the documentary on Herbalife, betting on zero. I had no idea. That's a great company. They were that big of a company.

I knew they were big. I didn't know they were that big. They are hustling. But he met hustlers. I didn't realize they were the 80s. How crazy is that that when we were in 15 years ago? I don't remember. Over 30 years, this company's been around for a very long time.

I didn't know they were kicking ass out. That put us on a multi-level marketing rant. Then we talked about regulation and the fitness industry. We talked about Tesla's closed system, 3D printed guns, that's going to be kind of crazy, that's happening now. The changes and the way we consume and our favorite life aid drinks, I like party eight and life aid, I think Adam likes life aid and fit aid.

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so, and the last question, a very important question. This is one that has been plaguing fitness professionals for decades. How do I stop hitting my ball sack when I do barbells? That's a problem. That's such a good question. That's such a good question. Also, I've mentioned it a couple times.

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Contractors and he's one of them. And so what does he do for us, Doug? He helps us with our site or website and- It is building out pages and I'm sure. Yeah, he does some good acting work. He did the original work on most of our stuff at the beginning. Yeah, he was the original editor on their YouTube, right?

When we first started. Yeah. No, no, no, not him. He was the editor on YouTube. Oh, he's got all the websites on. So all the exercise videos. Nothing to do with the exercise video. The actual website.

Well, the actual website. Well, we utilized Kajabi. So when we first started, we were on WordPress. Okay. And he helped me with that. And we moved our over to the old Kajabi platform. Then we moved on over to the new Kajabi platform. For the listeners, what do you think, where we're at now, where we've grown to, knowing

how we started, what is your thoughts on Kajabi and WordPress. And if you could go back and do everything all over again, would you have built it on that platform? Wordpress was a good place to start, but there was a lot of bugs. Now, is that because it's pretty easy to plug and play? Yes, it's easy. There's a lot of plug-ins you can use. It's cheap, very cheap to get started.

So when we got started, it had everything we needed, but then we started to face this challenge, which was we're getting all these different types of malware and things like that. Oh, I remember that. And so people will go to our site and then they get porn. That really did. That actually happened.

That actually happened. That was before MindPump. That was before we started MindPump, wasn't it Doug? That was the Maps and Obolic site. That was WordPress, right? That was WordPress. Nowump. That was before we started MindPump, wasn't it Doug? That was the Maps and Obolic site. That was WordPress, right? That was WordPress. Now there's other platforms. Now you can get on that has security built into it

so you can do WordPress without these type of issues. But we wound up grade what we were doing. So we moved over to Kajabi. And then Kajabi was just basically a back end site for hosting our programs, which was map Santa Bologna, Novia, six pack at the time. And then Kajabi, you know, expanded their offering. They came out with what's called new Kajabi, and that's the platform we're on now. Yeah. It's a good platform. There's a lot of things I like about it, but there's some functionality

that's missing as well. I'm sure everybody who's been on our sites and used our programs knows that there's some things that we could improve on. For example, say you want to purchase multiple things at once off of our website. You want to put it all in a cart and then purchase all at once. It doesn't allow you to do that. That's a major flaw of it. Right, right.

But they know about it and they're working on it. Looking back now, and we have a lot of people that listen to show that are now getting into podcasting or have e-commerce businesses. What do you think about it as a whole? And if you could go back and do it again, would you still do Kajabi? Knowing what we are dealing with with Kasey right now too. Yes, hard to say because a lot of it was financially motivated initially. We had to have a platform that was affordable.

There's better platforms in a lot of ways out there like HubSpot could probably be a platform we could use, but it's far more expensive. So now that we're growing and we have more resources, soon we'll be looking at other options. But for somebody starting now, I think that was probably a very good way to start. That's what I'm wondering. So it would hub spot be kind of an overkill for the average person who's getting started. Somebody getting started.

I think the first thing anybody who's getting started need to do is prove their concept. You gotta get some profitability. Otherwise, you can throw a lot of money at a business which reminds me of what you guys were just listening to. It's almost like Shopify would be the way I would suggest, like really getting started if you're going to do e-commerce. Well, if you're doing e-commerce easy.

The challenge we had with something like Shopify is we have a digital product. Yeah, we have membership sites. Totally different. Yeah, and so we needed something that would handle that and there wasn't really a lot out there made for the average consumer kind of plug and play just get started for a relatively reasonable cost.

It's a rapidly evolving market, rapidly evolving. I mean, being able to have digital products, to have e-commerce, people stepping in in the market and creating their own businesses. Like, this is, we take for granted how new it is. It really is a very new kind of thing where, you could, like, we started with the very, with minimal budget, just a lot of experience

and we created what we've created and you can see the direction we're going. You know, it's what I love most about technology. So, there's places where you start and there's places where you can evolve to. But what's most important for me, when I look at it as a whole, is are the barriers low enough to where somebody who has a good idea and a good concept and he's willing to work hard,

has less barriers, less barriers to be able to step in and create a business. I feel like you sound like one of those herb life chairman. Yeah. What a crazy documentary. step in and create a business. I feel like you sound like one of those herb life chairman, right? Yeah. What a crazy documentary. I'm not in the dream. What's the name of that documentary, by the way?

It was called something about zero, zero. God, what was it? I don't know, look it up right now. I had it on my phone. Just give me a second. But it was a... This was a documentary on... So many people had been telling me to watch this

so they could hear us comment. And to be honest, okay, I just never given a ship because I've known Herbalife was a pyramid scheme, MLM. It's a level marketing. Yeah, whatever you want to call it, right? All the same difference, right? Literally, they've been that since, I mean, I didn't know they were around the 80s. They've been around for a long time.

They're an old company. And so I never had any interest, betting zero, betting zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really good documentary though. I thought they did a really good job of sharing both sides. You know, here's the thing too,

because as I'm watching it, you know, I'm definitely empathetic to the people that entered into, and there's, by the way, they're not the only multi-level marketing business. Are you really empathetic? I'm not so only multi-level marketing business are you really empathetic I'm not so well no I'm empathetic in this in this sense right here I'm empathetic because it sucks people are going in they you know they have this dream they think they're gonna do all this great stuff They're not necessarily being lied to although they did get you know herbal life did get you know struck down by the FTC

FCT or well excuse me FTC for get struck down by the FTC, FTC for deceitful practices or whatever, you're basically promising these people, you're gonna make all this money. You know, here's a deal, like you're gonna go in into a multi-level marketing business and the only way to make money is to get other people to buy in on the multi-level marketing product.

The products themselves don't make any of them money. No. Most of the sales come from hilarious parts. It's like you're selling somebody else on a dream to make money and then that person has to sell everybody else on the dream to make money. That money they're selling the dream is what's funding everybody.

It's such a crap business. But I have so much shitty. I have so much respect for the guys that built it. And made it into what it, hey, Numpfuckin' Top paid CEO. He was like 90 million. In 2011. Fuck.

Yeah, that's crazy. Well, making more than the tech giants. Well, it was extremely profitable. This was a, what was it, a four point something billion dollar company? I mean, giant, it was gigantic. It was massive. Yeah. And the supplements are, I mean, they're garbage, you know, they're not good, they're expensive. And that's not how they were making their money. They were definitely selling a lot of supplements, but the way they were selling them was,

if I want to be a quote unquote distributor, then I need to buy three or five thousand dollars with the product, right? Or more to try. And then I need to buy three or $5,000 with the product. Right. Or more to try, and then I have all this inventory. And that's how they were selling the product. It wasn't people lining up to buy herbal life supplements because they're so good, or whatever, it was because people were...

You're gonna make so much more money if you spend more money. Hey, here's like, yeah, that was my favorite quote. That was the best line ever right there. That was the best line. Hey, here's the deal though. It's not that much different than all the other supplements out there on the market either. You can't fault them for covering

the other business for that. Right, you can't fault them for coming up with a better business plan. Now, I think you're silly if you're out there trying to do it, but that's what's beautiful about America. You know, saying you have this ability to do that. Now, you know, where I had, I don't, I didn't feel for the victims like you were saying,

or I didn't have any empathy for them because it's like here, at the end of the day, there is a percentage of people that do make millions of dollars doing it. It's just very small. Yeah, it's just very, it's 1%. It's 1% of them are make the president's club, right? And then there's millions of people that try and do it. Well, that's, that's your bad. You know what I'm saying? But it's no different than right? And then there's millions of people that try and do it. Well, that's your bad.

You don't say, but it's no different than how the lottery pitches there. Yes, exactly. That line about, like, you know, you basically bought a lottery ticket that are expired. Yeah. Right. It's not any different than opening any other business.

A lot of businesses have a lot of risk, like opening a restaurant. Like, what are your odds of successfully opening and making a profit on a restaurant? What are the actual odds of that? It's actually very small. That'd be an interesting point. What are the odds on, yeah, we should Google that because I know it's under 20. It's under 20.

I know that. It'd be probably under 15 or 10 years. Most businesses fail in the first five years. Most business, most times people are entrepreneurs. They invest money and they end up coming out and not even making their money back. These are the odds, these are the real odds of entrepreneurship and I think you always need to be honest.

If I'm telling somebody about being an entrepreneur, I'm going to be honest to them every single time and tell them, look, you're not gonna be profitable. The odds are, the odds look bad, they look like you're not going to be profitable. The odds are, the odds look bad. They look like you're going to fail. However, some people succeed. Here are the traits of the people that tend to succeed. And one of those traits is if they fail, they pivot, they try something different, and

then they go again. So if I stopped at my first business, if I stopped at my first business, I'd be sitting here talking about how I failed. Well, that's why I like the story of the guy who did the, you know, went to business school. He then starts up the herbal life and he has six doors. Yeah, the clubs, he realizes that they're not profiting

at all. And so he pivots into the vapor game. The vapor lounges. Yeah, which is, you know, fucking more power to you, dude. You know what I'm saying? But the irony was, Well, the people that were bitching that they got scammed on this,

you know, like that, oh, they lost $3,000 or I lost $8,000. Well, maybe part of the reason why none of your friends bought into your pyramid scheme or your MLM was because you didn't look like you fucking worked out and you took any shakes yourself. No, a lot of people, you can't sell, you can't sell something that you didn't look like you fucking worked out and you took any shakes yourself. Yeah.

No, a lot of people... You can't sell something that you don't look like you believe in. You know, that's on you. You know what it reminds me of? What? It reminds me of, God, what was it? Curves. When curves, you guys remember how curves exploded?

So curves was, for the listeners who don't, are familiar curves, in the early 2000s, really took off and they were these small fitness facilities. They had pneumatic equipment, so it's air pressurized equipment. They would set them up in like a circle. And they were 30 minute circuits and they advertised towards,

it were women only, right? And it was for people who felt uncomfortable working out whatever come in, use our circuit, get out, you do three workouts a week or whatever. And that was the story. And they exploded, they started making a lot of money. And so a lot of people entered into that space who had no business in fitness.

They don't care about fitness, they didn't know about exercise. All they saw was, oh, I could invest $30,000 open a facility and make my money back in a few months or whatever. And then I'm gonna make money and I'll open another one. So you had all these people that owned these curves locations, none of them worked out, none of them understood exercise or fitness. So you had this explosion of curves location, it was a matter of time before, that crumbled and it's true that they did, they lost a lot of people lost a lot of money doing it.

It reminds me of that, you know, people going into herbal life, they didn't care about the supplements or the fitness or the health. They went in there because they were promised that they were gonna make, it was all about making money. And then the way we're gonna make money is by the way, we're gonna sell nutrition supplements. Yeah. And this is an old, this is an old game, man.

It doesn't just exist in that space. Oh man, I grew up watching this, man. It's a really, have you guys ever been in a family? I'm, it's a really sad story. And I used to trigger me when someone talked to me because of what, and it was just because I obviously, it's my own shit, right?

My own root, rooted to my childhood because I had a stepfather who went from one MLM to the next MLM to the next MLM my entire life. You know, that's what my family was trying that. And every time it was, you know, oh, invest 1500, you get the packet,

we train you, we show you this to this, and you could make millions, you know, and it was one after another. And I remember even when I got older, I moved out and was doing my own thing. You know, my stepfather would, every time he was onto a new and he would reach out to me, especially as I, you know, got into fitness and health. He then he started doing the bars, the drinks.

Oh, he did them all. He did them all. Like literally, like you name one, like my dad has done this. And I remember being in my early 20s and my dad coming to me with it and I, it was the first like real hard conversation because before I just kind of let it roll off. Oh yeah, best of luck, dad type of deal, but then it got to a point where I was like, Hey, listen, I don't want, I don't want anything to do with these things unless you and I start one because that's the motherfuckers that make all the money. Like if you come up with the hustle and you do that, then there's money to be made in it.

But if you're, if you're getting in at the bottom of it, like you're just, you're just giving some of your money away. Yeah. but getting in at the bottom of it, like you're just giving some of your money away. Yeah, yeah. I've been approached so many times for MLM type businesses, and I think it's because people say, oh, you're a good salesperson or you like to communicate,

and so, but what always used to make me mad is they would never say that that's what they were. It was always like, hey, let's hang out, let me take you out to lunch, let me sit down and, you know, oh, I have this opportunity, it's always they were. It was always like, hey, let's hang out, let me take you out to lunch. Yeah, yeah. You know, oh, I have this opportunity. It's always an opportunity. And then they would very slowly start to present what they were presenting.

And I would always have to say something like, is this MLM? Is this multi-level marketing? Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, I mean, kind of, but... No, no, no, no, no, the response to that is, isn't everything? Yeah. Like, if you're good, if you're good, if you big closed hard enough on MLM, you're like, your response to they teach you to say is like,

well, technically, everything's about your boss, his boss is boss. You work for him, he works for him, he works for him, you make money that in turn makes him make money. So when you look at all business models, they're all MLM's when you say, I don't know what the tree exists that leads with I'm gonna make you so much money. Yeah, versus like banking off of the quality of their product Yeah, like what company that leads that isn't a fucking shyster. Yeah, you have to be skeptical and

You know reminds me of and it's these aren't MLMs Okay, but we're we mind me at the same feeling around MLMs that's happening a lot right now, especially in the social media space. Yeah, masterminds. Oh, you're gonna go there. Yep. Of the new MLM? It's, they're not multi-level marketing, although I wonder if some of them are structured that way. So I do question, I wonder if some of them are probably the more successful ones are.

I do question whether or not they're structured in an MLM fashion. But the feeling and vibe around them where you create some kind of a social media following and then you create this way to teach others how to do the same thing. And then they, you know, and really what they're doing is they're teaching them how to make their own masterminds. This is the formula. So in a sense, it's like MLM where it's like, I wrote a book on how to make money, and the book I'm writing teaches you how to write a book to make money. So like everybody reads that book, then writes their own book on how to make money by writing a formula of how they got successful, but that doesn't apply to everybody. No, it's, it's, it's, I'm going to teach you how to create your own mastermind. And then that person leaves, and then they create their own mastermind,

to teach other people how to make their own mastermind. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that that is a bubble that is going to fall. It's gonna be, yeah. When you have enough people that are like, I was a part of all these masterminds and I didn't, yeah, yeah. I didn't get any anything out of it.

Most bubbles pop, but yeah, that's what I would, I think for sure that's what's gonna happen with the masterminds. Oh, it's too hot. Well, right now, when you think about it, social media has caused this now. That's what we have this, we have this ability to put out our best foot forward on these platforms

to make people believe that everything is so perfect in my life, I'm so successful, I'm driving this this badass with my I'm shipping all this stuff out every day Like that's it's all the same old hustles on a new platform. Right. I mean everything you've seen like junk emails and shit like it's the Same day challenges. That's existed since for fucking ever dude the commercials I used to watch late night TV. That's probably a big, I would say that Justin. That's probably a bigger pyramid scheme right now in the fitness space than even the masterminds is the 30 day challenges. Oh, everybody buys into it.

Right, yeah, yeah. One person gets paid out, you know, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get your sister, your friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime they're selling you, anytime someone's selling you on a product based on how much money they made,

like, hey, you know, I got this, look at my, look, this great supplement that's, you know, jugged, that's on my new Ferrari or how cool I am when this jet, and I got this, I always, this, the, the, the, that's just gross. Yeah, the slime factor always makes me go,

you know, and I'm, maybe some of them are, are, are, are legit, but I've seen so many of them that aren't. Yeah, but I don't have an amount of media. Yeah, and it's like, come on, dude, you know, if you've got a good product or whatever, then some of you got it. Well, the reason why it's not sustainable is because most people that can be duped by that are just young and still learning they don't know any better. Like, I think, I think that, and so when that person predatory He wants to exactly and once that person puts that together

They'll never bite into that again. It's like oh you got me you know saying you got my whatever little keep biting There are some fools There are some full-self. I mean, I can't argue with that. I can't argue with that because I lost my stepfather. But here's the thing too, when I remember watching him and looking back now, I think a lot of it was at a desperation. And that's, you know, like he...

That's why it feels predictable. Well, yeah, and that's where you see like, you know, in these impoverished, you know, communities, it's like, it's sad to see that because they have so much like, they're hoping for, you know, with, it's like, it's sad to see that because they have so much like, they're hoping for, you know, with these ventures. And you're flashing all the shit at them, all these like yachts and like paid vacations

and some guy like with diamond, you know, whatever like status. And it's just, it's all bunch of smoke and mirrors. But I don't feel bad for those people like their victims because, well, they weren't. They weren't necessarily. I mean, so I'm sure some of them are lied to, but a lot of them weren't. A lot of them were told, this is how you make money now.

Go make money. I mean, even if you're lied to, I still, I mean, coming from a family that watched it, it happened to my, my stepfather over and over and over. It's like, man, shame on you. Shame on you. You know, shame. How to do it over and again. It does fall back on the individual.

What's that saying? You know, uh, full me once. over and again. Yeah, it does fall back on the individual. What's that saying, you know, full me once, shame on me. Yeah, full me twice. No, no, no, shame on you, full me twice, shame on me. Right. But you do want it out there, like the education part of it, right, like here's where it could lead, but most likely here's where it's gonna lead.

Yeah, I don't like fraud. I definitely think fraud, I definitely think if someone rips you off, like legit lies to you, you should be able, that's what the courts exist for. But if they're not really lying to you and they're saying, well, this is how you can make money and you need to buy $5,000 of our products and get other people under it.

And then you try it and it doesn't work. You know, I hate to tell you this, but I have a business venture there. That's the end of the day. You didn't make a good decision. And now, how do you fight that? Do you fight that with laws? No, because they're not, they're not lying,

necessarily, anybody. The way you fight them is with good information. You go out there and you do, look, if you got ripped off, and you didn't get lied to, but you got ripped off because you felt like it was a little deceitful and you thought, oh, they kind of showed me that it would be easy and it was a lot harder than I thought and it didn't work.

You know what you do? You go out and you tell other people about it. And you make sure it reviews. That's it. That's absolutely, that's how I think. Power of the people, yeah. That's how I communicate it. That's right. But a company like Urbalife that reached $4 billion.

Obviously some people were making money. Some people were making money. You got to love though, like what they were able to do, right? So their response when all this stuff comes out, is like, oh, we'll just get the highest paid or the most famous athletes. Like, oh, David, back him. Yeah, totally. Yeah. We're in all the, you're with us. Yeah, dude. I mean, credibility. Yeah. I mean, and just we, that's why when, when people fall into this trap, and I mean, shit, this is part of, this is why I thought that we all thought that mind pump would be successful since day one is because there's so much of this within our space

There's a market for the truth. There is crazy. It is. That's a scamming hustle like like environment. There is that's why I don't hate because I'm like well because of them It's also provided an opportunity for us Yeah, because of all of it. If everybody was super honest, we wouldn't have a business. We wouldn't, so I don't hate it all on Saddam. It's like, all these shysters out there created an opportunity for guys like ourselves to come in and just express it. Now what's awesome is that we have mediums like this. Now this would be different, you know,

50, 100 years ago, but you know, there's accessibility to information for everybody for free and so on. Well, that's why I think the way you fight it is with information, inform people, get people educated so they can make better decisions on their own. I don't think the way to change the fitness and health and wellness industry is through laws because a, number one, laws are, the people who make the laws have been proven time and time again, to be extremely corruptible and easily

in easy to influence with money. It's not hard. Well, look at what we just saw. We were talking why this documentary was going and this whole thing, it's not about, do the supplements work or not work, are they scamming? It's about two guys.

Two millionaires. If he goes. That see an opportunity to fuck a company and short it and make money off of that way. And then the other one to reverse it and do the other. I mean, I lost an lawsuit to you like 10 years ago. I'm taking you down now. That's right.

That's what that was about. Literally are the ones that had all the power and control of the messaging. You know what I'm saying? They're the ones that are paying all these famous people to say great things or paying all these politicians to come out on TV. Like, I mean, fuck, dude. That's why you don't want regulation.

That's why you don't want somebody. Because the people regulating are the ones that are in their back pocket. And they're oftentimes regulations are designed to protect special interests. They're not designed to protect the consumer. They're selling to you like I just say they position it that way. That's right. Yeah, they position it like we care about you. They'll sell it to you and it look. Here's a guy showing up at church every day with these people. Here's a good example. Here's a good example.

You've been in church your whole life before you're right on there. Here's a good example. Here's a great example, right? So we're seeing right now. We're going to the community right now. we're seeing the decimation of my family or immigrants too. Yeah, I love that part. Back in 2017. 15 generations ago. Right now what we're witnessing right now are the decimation of certain industries because of the decentralization of power and basically because of technology, because speaking things

much more efficient. And so you see certain industries that existed Primarily because they were protected by laws. They were they were prevented. There was no competition now Competitions in and they're losing and they're losing big time taxi companies is a fantastic example Taxi companies Existed primarily and they in the form that they existed pray I'm not talking about people needing rides. I'm talking about the taxi companies themselves in that form existed primarily because there were laws

that prevented competition and made it impossible to compete. So you had this archaic system that lasted way longer than it should, and then technology came and regulators couldn't regulate fast enough. And now you have Uber and taxi companies are losing tons of money. Now, here's what could happen. The taxi owners, taxi cab company owners are wealthy.

Billions of dollars have a lot of money and a lot of power. They're the ones that got the laws passed in the first place to make it impossible to compete against them. So what are they gonna do? They're gonna go to legislators, and they're gonna say, hey, my family relies on my job. We're gonna lose tens of thousands of jobs in New York City.

All these people spent all this money getting these taxing medallions, and now Uber's coming in, and it's not fair, and these people are killing our jobs, and we're immigrants, and they're gonna paint this picture, and they're gonna say, plus we've got billions of dollars in votes so we want you to help us out. So here's what the politicians going to do. They're going to turn around and say hey, it's an Uber unfair competition. They don't provide and they're going to come up with all these

reasons to demonize Uber and to make you think and feel empathy for the poor taxi drivers that lose their jobs. Then they'll pass a law that says Uber can't exist or Let's subsidize taxi companies to keep them competitive because those poor people have been doing this for generations And this is the game. I talked about this in a couple episodes ago with with farmers and the subsidies for farmers I pissed off a lot of people and I was wondering if you could go. Oh wow I pissed off a lot of people but the bottom line look, if you have to tax people to support an industry, that means that that industry is inefficient and that means the market doesn't support it.

Now, there's a lot of people in those industries that are paying the price for that, and I meant pathetic to it, but that's also how humans progress. There's a lot of jobs, 99% of the jobs that exist that a hundred years ago or whatever don't exist today because of progress. There's a lot of jobs. 99% of the jobs that exist that 100 years ago or whatever don't exist today Because of progress. Those people lost their jobs in essence. We had to Progress, right today if you can't read you're probably not gonna get a job

150 years ago. You could get a job Is that is that is that a bad thing? Well, no that means everybody kind of has to level up and we have to change the way we approach things So yeah, my point with all this is, I don't want regulators coming in the fitness industry and regulating, because that'll make it way worse. What I want is I want educated consumers to realize their own power. To look at things and say, oh, this sucks. You know what I'm gonna do? Not buy it.

Well, we're on this regulation, cake. What do you think about the video that I showed you guys, too, with the car guru guy or what's his name? I forgot what his YouTube channel was that fixes the Tesla. Yeah, because that's interesting. I didn't know that Tesla was doing the same thing that the same model that Apple did that was so brilliant. The tech company.

Which was, we will keep it, what do they call that like a closed loop? It's like a closed loop. Yeah, I mean, they don't even have dealerships, right? Right. That was part of their puzzle. Which I don't mind, I think that's a good thing on many different ways. But what they're doing is like, if you have a Tesla and something breaks and you want to fix it yourself, they won't sell you the part. You have to go through them.

And in order for it's a little grommet, yeah, whatever it is. And whatever in Tesla makes a lot of money this way. And for your car And in order for your Tesla car to work, it has to communicate with Tesla. So in essence, they're network or nothing. Yeah, so it's like a phone. It's like a jaffle. It's like a jaffle.

Yeah, it's like an apple. It's an apple, it's a perfect example of this. And to me, they were the first company that I'm aware of that did something like this and was really successful on a global level. Like I don't know anybody else that's like said, listen, we're gonna keep our company in this private, no outsourcing.

Yeah, private in versus trying to let everybody else in. And I mean, quite frankly, I think it's brilliant. And if you've got a fucking badass company, people are gonna want in the club. If it's not, and if not, then people won't buy into it. But obviously you're buying into it for a reason. If the market supports it, then that means it's working. If it's not, won't you know that people are gonna like this YouTube channel. And the market supports it, then that means it's working. If it's not working,

but you know that people are going to like this, like this YouTube channel. And I know some of the people that are watching and probably the people that share it with me are pushing for the, you know, the, the ability for government to step in and say, hey, this isn't fair. Yeah, they should be able to,

you should be able to allow to fix your Tesla, you should be able to go to any, you know, mom, pom, mechanic, and they should have access to all the parts. That's really, that's silly. Yeah, absolutely, silly. If you don't want that, then don't buy that car. Right, yeah. Buy a different car.

It's weird that they would make that. It's the same thing that I look at the way, if we were to start to certify trainers and allow them to sell our programs, I wouldn't want someone selling our programs that doesn't know how to teach our programs. I would want to keep in that. I wouldn't just say, ah, open it up to anybody and everybody can push it

because that's how people get over the top. Now that all being said, okay. I would like to wish Tesla good luck on trying to prevent people from packing and figuring out how to work on like, people know how to do that with Apple phones. There's a lot of tech wizards out there. The future is very decentralized

and you're not gonna be able to control a lot of things. It's, I mean, literally, it might behoove them to kind of have some sort of certifying process with that, right? So if there's enough demand there for that, but yeah, right now it doesn't seem like too many. This guy's pretty much like a one in a couple million, like out there, like chopping up old Tesla's and putting stuff together.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, good luck with that. I mean, once 3D printers get really sophisticated, which we're like probably 10, 15 years away from, right? Oh, didn't you say someone just tried to put a ban on the gun? I'll get there. I'm gonna get there in a second. Okay, yeah, you mentioned that. Yeah, yeah, so, you know, we're about 10, 15 years away from really sophisticated, like 3D printer technology,

where I'm gonna be able to print the parts and make, I can take a phone or a technology, and I'll be able to analyze it, print it on myself, especially if I'm a smart tech wizard, make it myself, and give it to my friends, and sell it to my friends, and say, hey, here's a phone that's exactly like the Samsung, whatever, or the Apple, whatever, here's a phone that's exactly like the Samsung whatever or the Apple whatever,

but I'll charge you a, you know, 10 bucks for it. Like, it's, you're not gonna, pens are gonna be meaningless. Patents are literally gonna be meaningless. That's already happening, yeah. And you know what's funny? You know, I understand why patents exist. I can make an argument that patents

encourage the investment of capital. Big, big, and encourages innovation innovation it encourages investments in capital innovation but at the flip side it also prevents the democratization of technology and all these other things right I think the decentralization of of technology and power and all these things I think it's going to be a good thing I think it's harder to be a super trillionaire that owns all the stuff, but it's going to be easier to be, you know, real to monetizing it is going to look completely different, right? Yeah. That's why I think like creativity and design and all that is really going to build up and value because you're going to find your unique people that have, you

know, different ideas that they could sell the blueprints to. That's right. You can do that kind of angle. That's right. So 3D printed guns was about to happen, but a federal judge blocked the release of 3D gun plans. Which I find, how do you block that? I know, dude. It's like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Like, imagine that the government was like, that's it, we're gonna stop illegal file sharing because that's what it is, right?

It's a file you're sharing online. Like the entertainment industry is powerful and as big and as connected as they are. Yeah, they lost that war. They couldn't stop that. How are they gonna stop 3D printed guns? Well, they did come in and regulate it though. I mean, that's how Napster got taken down, right?

They came in and said it's not fair and then they ended up shutting Napster down. Well, what they did, because you could still get free music, you could still get free movies. You could still get free movies. Yeah, if I wanted to. If I wanted to, if you wanted to right now,

you know, and if you had a little bit of knowledge of having to navigate, do you think you could get movies and music for free still? Yeah. But why don't you? Because the market out-competed the black market and for the most part. Right, they made it better for reasonably cheap.

Exactly. That's why it was brilliant. That's like things like Spotify. It's like I could go out and try and rip music from somewhere. But it's like, why? I think it's effort. I pay $9 a month. That's right.

You know, if I pay $9 a month, and I get instantly streamed to me, I'm not gonna get malware or anything. Right, I search for it. You make it effortless and like, of course, we're gonna go in that direction. That's right. So it's funny that they're like, we're black, we're gonna make it illegal first listen and like of course we're gonna go in that direction. That's right So it's funny that they're like we're black. We're gonna we're gonna make it illegal to you know to to put out the plans for 3d guns like

It's gonna be so yeah, you're not gonna be able to regulate that I didn't realize how many like forum members that we had that actually already have 3d printers and stuff I didn't know that I we had that many people that listen to the show that actually have them and have already started using them I thought I just assumed that it's far from the technology is far from like being able to do like all these things Well, they're small now too. Imagine when they're like huge and they can like build like massive structures and things well Technically 3d printers will be able to print Complex, you know houses. We already know not just just houses, but drugs, medicines,

they'll be able to stack molecules on top of each other. They'll be able to print tissues. I don't understand how that's gonna work. You'd have to have all the things that go into it in order to create a drug like that, right, then, in order for it to work. No, if you know what the molecular structure looks like, you could technically print it.

Now, I'm not from what, though. Organic building blocks, you know, if you have the organic building blocks. You'd have to get the building blocks. That's what I'm saying. It's the way you're saying it. Yeah, but to create like, like an opiate, you, there's certain types of mold that have all the building blocks in them, or you can combine other things. It's not that hard.

I mean, put them in this way. All the most complex things that you know of in the universe, on earth that we've made as humans all came from the same I heard there's like a lot of DMT in like almost every plant Do you a lot of plant that methyl trip to mean is in every single almost every living thing? That's it. It's a trip to mean based molecule so it's a matter of extracting Yeah, you can you if you knew how you could take it out of a you know Well won't that become the next big, the business, or thing is to be able to extract all these different

molecules to provide to these people that have these blue-principular materials. Blue-principular materials. There's a raw material business, so I'm sure we can have them. Well, I think the wealth of the futures and look very different than the wealth of today. Wealth of today is like,

you need lots of money, it's a little bit more exclusive. The wealth of the future is just access to everything for super, cheaper or inexpensive. It's kind of, well, it's kind of like that. Like for example, the wealthiest person on earth 500 years ago, okay, so 500 years ago, the wealthiest king and queen in the world does not have the access of a, you know, somebody in the middle class or lower in America.

Like they didn't have access to the information. They didn't have technology. It didn't exist. Right. So they could have all, they didn't have medicine that we have. So they could have all the money in the world. But if a particular problem was, you know, position in front of them, like if they said, hey, you need to be in this other country in two hours, they couldn have all the money in the world, but if a particular problem was position in front of them, like if they said, hey, you need to be in this other country

in two hours, they couldn't, because the things didn't exist. To get them there. Right, so the wealth of the future is gonna be like that. Like, I don't think you're gonna need a lot of money in the future to have access to a lot of different things, because things are becoming so inexpensive and democratized and decentralized that.

In the future, it's not gonna mean that much to, you know what I mean, it's not gonna be that big of a deal. It's gonna be interesting because you're just sharing it on it. I agree with you and I think we're gonna find out as a society that it's not all that's cracked up to be to have everything. That's what we're experiencing right now.

That's why that episode we did with Bishop Barron, I thought was so, and even Paul Check and some of the other spiritual leaders,, spiritual, you know, leaders, if you, if, you know, however you want to call them, you know, I think the most intelligent philosophers and spiritual leaders, you know, name the religion, name the practice. They all talk about that. They all talk about how, you know, if you don't, if you don't worship something, you actually, you know, you always end up worshiping something. It's an empty cup. And the way it works is, Jordan Peterson explained it so brilliantly, and it made sense to me finally, because I've heard this and I read Carl Jung, what's the book, undiscovered self, and he talks about how, like, if you eliminate God, beware of the worship of the state, which he predicted, which is actually what happened in the 20th century with communism and fascism.

And basically the way it works is every decision you make in your life is based on you deciding something is better than something else. It's a hierarchy. So like you wouldn't be able to get dressed if you didn't decide, if you weren't able to decide something was better. You wouldn't be able to get yours better than that, sure.

Yeah, or should I take a left or a right when I'm driving, or should I buy this or that, or should I say this or that, right? We would be stuck and frozen because we wouldn't have a value system. At the very top of that value system is our ultimate number one value. It has to be. There's a hierarchy.

So there's always something at the very, very small. Whether you believe in a higher power or not, you're always worshiping something. Something is driving some value is driving your entire life. So what do you say where the four power power wealth? Honor. Honor. And pleasure. Pleasure. Yeah. So and those are the common ones. So if you don't believe in a higher power like let's say God, let's say you don't believe in God and you think, okay, well, that's silly. I'm not going to believe in that. Well, you do believe in something. So maybe it's money. Maybe that's the highest value, or maybe

it's, you know, how you look, your aesthetics, or maybe it's pleasure, so you just, it's drugs and sex and parting, or maybe whatever. But something is your number one value that drives your entire life. And I think what's happening now, and Bishop Baron said this, Paul Czech said this, and some of the other people that we've talked to who I think are also just brilliant and philosophy have said this, that lookk said this, and some of the other people that we've talked to who I think are also just brilliant and philosophy have said this, that look, we're entering an age where people are getting what they've always thought they wanted, like we have more prosperity.

They're getting access to it. People have food and shelter, even poor people in Western societies have these things, and we're realizing like, this is not what I thought I wanted. It's not the end all. Yeah, and so it's creating this kind of crisis. So what do you think will become that? Because there always be value somewhere, right?

What will be a value, you know, land, right? Because we continue to grow as far as population. There's still, there is still desirable places to live. There's still, you know, right, we all want to migrate towards, you know, cool climates, water, things like that. So, but do you think owning it or with this new economy, just having access to multiple locations on the world? Well, you know me, I'm a huge advocate of the VRBO and ARB&Bs.

I mean, I just think, I mean, it's kind of crazy. I've felt a shift. I don't think I've shared this on a show before, but I've even felt this own shift with my own goals and things I want. So I've as a young kid growing before, but I've even felt the same shift with my own goals and things I want. So I've, as a young kid growing up, not having a lot, I always wanted these things, I wanted this giant house, right?

And, you know, as you get bigger and bigger houses and more and more things, you realize the upkeep that's with all that stuff. It's not what it's cracked up to. It's not what it's cracked up to be, but it doesn't mean that I still don't be space. It doesn't mean that I still, exactly. It doesn't mean I still don't enjoy some of those things, right?

I still enjoy that luxury. But now we, like, I mean, we've stayed in, just in the last year with Mind Plum because of how much we travel, I mean, I spend 50% of my time in a multi-million dollar home now. Think about that. We're on the road or we're out. It's not that big of a deal, is it?

Right, it's not, because I'm already in it. I'm saying it's like, well, the other 14 days I go back to my nice house a deal, is it? Right, it's not, because I'm already in it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, well, the other 14 days I go back to my nice house. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's nice, it's easier to clean. It's not crazy. You know what I'm saying?

It's a couple thousand square feet. It's that 10,000 square feet. No, man. So, if we are moving in this direction where that becomes more and more affordable and more accessible to people, you're right. It might not be a big deal. But I think just, I think land in general,

not so much a big home, just space. Well, land is limited. So, right, that's what I mean. There's a limit to that. You can only share so much of that and then you run out of that space. Yeah, no, I think it's gonna be like, just like what we're doing with like you said,

with Airbnb and VRBOs and just lots of sharing of land. Or if you own land, by the way, and you do nothing with it, it doesn't do anything for you. So I think it's gonna, things are gonna, easier and easier for you to use that land, to share with others, give them access, and now you're able to make money off that land or whatever, you're seeing much, much more of that.

And I think that's a, I think it's a really, really good thing, but for me personally, when I think of wealth, I think how much I can do with wealth, it's not about buying things. It really isn't. It's about, can I use this wealth to grow and find more purpose? Travel kind of does that a little bit. Does it more for me than buying things?

That's for sure. When I travel, I definitely find more meaning and purpose and growth, learning things, maybe helping others. I don't know what, you know, whatever floats your boat, but I don't think, I think it's not, it's definitely not all it's cracked up to be living a big castle with all the, like for what?

You know what's the thing to do with the rise of this economy, you know, how you could like go to somebody's house and have them cook you, like just like a restaurant, you know, you could couch surf. Yep. Is there a service out there that lets you like camp in their property? I wonder. Oh, that'd be be interesting people with a lot of land a lot of land and cool like you know Properties, I would not be so I would be interesting to see what that looks like

Liability wise and stuff right if you're on somebody's pro because that's normally the big thing with the sharing and on land and property and the ability I mean so one's camping and then it's then you say you have a hundred acres and you have it's beautiful out there and you allow people to go camp on your property and then somebody has it. It's tough to manage it, right? Which would create, yeah. I love it position. I love it.

Still, I was just interesting to think about new ways of utilizing some things like that. I love it because it's, I know they do that. Actually, they do, they have, what am I talking about? I know they do that. They do that with like, you can pay,

you can like helicopter into a guy's property that has like a thousand or a hundred thousand acres, and you can hunt. You can pay for this. They've done that for all of it. $10,000, $15,000, and you can go stay, you camp overnight, you go hunt on their property and everything like that.

So yeah, that's a bigger example. No, the most exciting one for me that I thought would look into that. Well, that I thought was really cool. If you travel, you just mentioned it, Justin, which I love, you could travel to a city and there's apps where you could find regular people who will host dinner in their homes and you'll eat dinner with like four authentic, like four other strangers. And it's homemade.

In many of these things, they'll'll say come over and help me cook I'll have you prep and stuff that teach you. Yeah, so instead of going like if you're if you're traveling instead of going to a restaurant You know because restaurants are are They're impersonal right like you go to a restaurant. There's lots of people But really it's just you and the person you're with you don't really talk to lots of people sometimes you do But it's pretty rare But if you go to someone's house and now you're prepping and there's four other people, strangers, and you meet and y'all, hey, have a good conversation, could be a great experience in a new city. Yeah, that'd be really fun. But talk about a frightening

thing for restaurants. Yeah. Talk about a very scary competition because that could definitely, that could definitely be, you know, it could be interesting. Oh, restaurants, hotels, all of them, that's all getting shook up. Oh, hotels are panicking. I mean, we could rent. It doesn't even make sense, dude. I was looking in Scotland, Ireland, like it's like, we're literally staying in a hotel once at the end just because it's like, okay,

we're gonna fly out from Dublin and then we'll stay there, you know, but like the whole rest of the time it's all Airbnb. Oh, especially if you have a family. As soon as you get beyond two, like Katrina and I still stay in a lot of really nice hotels, because we just, yeah. Yeah, and not, I mean, I like the,

and some of these VRBOs are getting here too, so. Oh yeah. I say that now, but that might change, because the things that I really appreciate when just her and I travel, when we go stay at these really expensive hotels, is I like the five star treatment. I like the room service,

and then coming up and picking up behind you all the time. So I like the red carpet treatment, but shit, some of these VRBOs, now the VRBO is stepping their game up. Now they're getting the point where some of these guys that own 15, 20 houses, and then they end up saying, they have these services. Oh, we'll run the grocery store for you.

Oh, you want a chef to come in and cook for you. Oh, we have that too. So I mean, This is a business, I wouldn't be surprised if companies like Hilton or Best Western don't start investing in these kinds of things to hedge their bets. I think they'd be very smart to do so.

Although they are such big companies. Or they might be arrogant and you think it's going well. Probably a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if we searched that. There might be some that are already doing that. I mean, if there's got to be some hotels that are already investing. Talk I mean, there's got to be some hotels that are already, you know, investing. Talk about a business opportunity though. Yeah. Talk about a business opportunity if you're trying to buy a

property. It's like, that's a new way to your options before where by a property speculate on the value of the property or by a property try to make some income by the rent being more than the mortgage. That was it, right? There really wasn't any other option. Now you have a third option, which is by a property to be able to rent through Airbnb or VRBO, and then do it that way. Yeah, you know what I mean? No, no, brilliant.

Brilliant, yeah, brilliant new market. Very, very excited. Absolutely brilliant. Hey, I wanted it at Justin, I see Justin over there drinking on his life aid, and I wanted to, you know, people were rousing us about the proprietary blend and how there's not a lot there but I was thinking about it today because I was watching all of us it's probably good

that it's not dozed really high or else we would go over dose on the mall everyone's been drinking ever since we had the refrigerator that's so good though it's got to my ticket I'm like yeah well it's the it's the come on dude I don't I never like to drink sodas or flavorful drinks, because they're just not good for you. But it's gonna be honest. It's fun, it's enjoyable to drink something that tastes good, that's cold, that's carbonated.

So it's a good, I think that's what it ends up being for all of us. Which ones are your favorite? You know, I like the red one and the black one. So life ate and fit ate, I think I like the most. The party ate the third, my least is the focus, and that's because of the way the I'm. There's rodeo and yeah, I swear that some people. So here's a deal of rodeo. rodeo. It's a deal for most people makes them feel good. But some people it doesn't. I'm one of those people.

Dude, you said that to me and you know, I always I take a lot of the stuff you say like we didn't come to someone's the grain of salt because I know you're like a hyper-conductor act and you feel it. I feel it. Oh my god. Oh my god. I can't. I can't. Or you're like a rebellious kid.

You have to disagree. Yeah. Could be that too. Maybe it might be that. Maybe a combination of the two of them. No, but you're right because I must have tried it four or five times and I each time we would be like when we're podcasting, and I would just feel like, oh, I had to take a nap afterwards.

And I'm like, this is so weird that I feel that way. So, Rhodiola is, for most people, a very effective, it's not as stimulant, but it's got properties kind of like stimulant. So, when you read studies, so I have to vouch for it for a second here. When you read studies on Rhodiola, Rodeola consistently improves performance consistently, and it's different than caffeine.

Is it an herb? Shroom, what is it? Yeah, it's an herb. Okay, it's an herb. It's been used for thousands of years, just like ginseng, like red panics, ginseng, or Chinese ginseng, will also consistently show improvements in performance. But for a small percentage of people, it's not, and it makes them kind of feel bad.

And now I had a Chinese herbalist tell me once that my energy, my Chinese energy was wrong for herbs like rodeola and herbs like red panics. She actually said I had too much yang energy. And just for the, so you guys know, yang energy is the male energy. Oh, you got to get rid of that early morning Yes, so you guys know, but make sense because I'm really nasty with myself. Yeah, maybe so so

Super yeah, but Rodeola is a performance. I recommend to clients all the time But there's like a one out of 10 people that don't feel good on it So I'm one of those also my favorite is is the life aid one, the red one, and then the party aid one. Yeah, you do the party aid one. I like the party aid one. Yeah, I see you drinking the party aid one the most. Yeah, that one's my absolute favorite.

But Doug and Justin are drinking on the red one right now. Yeah. I like that one the black, the only one I don't like, the only one is the focus. That's the only one. I haven't had the black one. I like all of them. I definitely prefer life aid though.

The life aid one's really a favorite. Of all of the sponsors that we work with, what are the most, the products that you use most consistently? Well, organifi. Organifi? Well, yeah, just because I think their product line is so broad in comparison to everyone else that we do. Because I'm using the range use most.

I'm using the protein powder a lot now, especially now that I'm back to tracking and making sure my proteins up there. I've been using the turmeric like crazy. And then the probiotic any time I do like a burger and fry or a meal like that, that I know that might compromise my gut at all. I just automatically do that.

I see the goal juice, I mean, my wife is still using that like before sleep. You know, like, is it really helping her out? Really helping her out. So, and I was, I was drinking it with her before I was going on this crazy diet and everything, but yeah, I'm looking forward to getting back to that

because you did feel noticeable difference in your sleep. Yeah, I use them. I use them the most though for a short just but again, I think it's because the diversity of it. There's so much. If I'm not taking the two, I'm working that day. Then the next day I'm taking the protein powder and sometimes I'm taking multiple of those

things in one day. They have such a great product line. Yeah, they do. It's works. The friends ask you, Justin, what ended up happening with the dog? Is everything okay? Oh yeah, yeah, so. Swallowed another ball.

Dude, can you believe this? Like, so I get this panic call from Courtney, she's just like, okay, like, like she just was really like to the brass tax, like, swallow another ball this time, taking them to the vet. Yeah, this is happening again. So, in this time, it's a bigger bouncy ball. But since she actually saw him swallow it,

like rushed him to the vet, I guess they were able to have him like throw up instead of like having him ingest it and like have it get caught again. So thankfully it came out, but what also came out, four socks. What the fuck? You're talking good.

He's a savage, I don't know. Four socks in a ball. Four socks, like legit, like big socks. You probably ate my socks. Now the crazy part about that is that typically, so a dog's digestive system works much faster than ours does. So normally they'll pass that way quicker. So that means that's just like this morning's diet bro

Yeah, he just went on a rampage. Yeah, eight stuff. That's like this morning He's probably eight four socks in a ball. God. He's been doing so well from all the training I've been taking him to and all but like he has this insatiable Appetite I can't I can't put a handle on it. It's what do they say? What's that saying? Dogs are like their owners. What is that? What is that? That's a scream, man.

How many socks did you need to be in? I'm probably eating a lot of pace. They smell like cheese, that's why. Oh, cheese. I did eat a lot of stuff. Yeah, anyway, but he's okay now, right? Yeah, no, he's good now. I'm happy now.

I know, because my son was, he was just beside himself, because he was playing with a bouncy ball, and he just snatched it from him and swallowed it. So he just felt, he felt guilty about it. Oh my God. I felt like my stomach's sunk and I was just felt for him then. Because he thought he killed him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard you talking to him over the phone. Oh my God. You did a good job, man. That's one of those things you just like, you don't want to lose it, because you just like, I felt so bad for them. Yeah.

Yeah. That last night we had a, we're in the, we're in the new house, right? And the boys are getting acclimated to the new place and you, and it's crazy. So my, my bulldogs are so finicky dude, like, personality wise, like they just, are extra ultra sensitive. They're in a new place. And so they're just, all they're shit heightened. They're just frustrated.

You could tell they're scared. They're kind of like following us around everywhere. It's new, you know, like they've lost all their shit Titan. They're just frustrated. You could tell they're scared. They're kind of like following us around everywhere. It's new, you know, like they've lost their house. They've been in for the last six years or whatever. And so, you know, they've been fighting. They've been fighting a lot since we've been in the new place. They just keep getting on each other's nerves. And it's always Mazi Mazi antagonizes Bentley all the time,

which is so funny because he's the smaller dog. Right. And in most breeds, like if you have, you have an alpha, sooner or later a one dog presents themselves as the time, which is so funny because he's the smaller dog. Right. And in most breeds, like, if you have an alpha, sooner or later, a one dog presents himself as the alpha, he whoops the shit out of the other dogs. And then when he grows or makes the major bark or bite, the rest shut the fuck up. But that doesn't happen in bully breeds.

It's really interesting. If they keep testing, they keep testing. They never stop testing each other. And Mazi is always fucking with Bentley all the time. Oh, Bentley must get some fresh air. Oh, and the worst part where I feel bad is that when Bentley was a young, right, and we had Mazi come in as a puppy. So Bentley's two years older.

So Bentley was already two and pretty fully, you know, docks fully grown by two years old. And you got Mazi who's coming in as the little puppy. I would, I mean, I would just whip on Bentley if he was aggressive to aggressive with Mazzie, you know, like keeping him from like getting, getting biting him or hurting him because he was a little puppy.

And so Bentley's been trained to not hurt his brother, you know, but then his brother gets older into his teenage years and then wants to challenge Bentley and Bentley outweighs him by like 30 pounds. He's a bigger, stronger bulldog without a doubt. And he's got to put up with his little brother always fucking with him and last night He bit his nose and his blood squirted all over our new walls and shit like that. I mean the shower It's happening right in front of me and I've been trying to teach Katrina. She is getting better So you know when she when you try to let them work it out. Yeah, let them work it out

I mean they're not gonna kill each other their brothers You know I'm saying they've been they grew up together like yeah work it out. Yeah, let them work it out. I mean, they're not gonna kill each other. They're brothers, you know what I'm saying? They've been, they grew up together. Like, it sounds scary when two bulldogs are going out. I mean, it does. So I get it and she's never had dogs. So I know why she gets kind of scared but I keep trying to explain to her that dog senses

are extremely heightened and they can feel your energy. They can feel you scared and the nervousness and the you screaming yelling and freaking out. You just can't be like that or also just heightened the whole situation. So she's gotten better about walking away, but she gets so mad at me. We have to do something about this. They keep doing this. I'm like, just relax.

He's bleeding. He's bleeding. It's other dogs. You know what I'm saying? Like he bit him on his nose, but what happened was they were going at it. And Mazzie bit his nose. Blood goes everywhere. And then you could see, I'm watching it.

I'm in the shower, right? And the right in front of me. And she gets away. And I'm just watching it. And Mazi bit his nose, blood goes everywhere. And then you could see, I'm watching it, I'm in the shower, right? And they're right in front of me. And she gets away and I'm just watching it and I'm telling Billy, whoop is ass! All right, you got to get him for that. And Billy's so much stronger than they're going back and forward for a minute. And then Billy just like wraps his two paws around him

and submits, like pins him down. And doesn't even buy them or hurt him, or anything like that. Yeah, holds him down, you know? And I was like, yeah, that's exactly, you know, he'll do that enough times and Mazi will eventually kind of leave him alone. But he had his nose was really dry and it opened up so it looked way worse than it was. I keep trying to tell Katrina, I'm like, little blood, like little bites in their mouth.

Like that's for a dog, a scratch like that is. That's nothing. Yeah, it's, it's not, you see blood and you freak out and you think it's a big deal, but it's like, no, they're dogs. There's not a big deal. And the best friends right after. Yeah, big deal But it's like no other dogs. They're not a big deal. The best friends right after yeah Exactly then two minutes later they were licking each other in a coral. Yeah lay next to each other, but dude Mossy's crazy bro. Yeah Who's that Billy?

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I'm a truck driver driving the night shift four nights a week. What are some easy meals or snacks to take on the road that are healthy? Also, some stretches to keep your neck and back from being stiff. That's a tough, that's a tough gig. Horrible job.

Yeah, that's a bad feel for you. Well, it's a tough gig, you know a tough gig. Horrible job. Yeah, that's a feel for you. Well, it's a tough gig. You know, you're sitting all the time. You're sitting the entire time. Well, the positive thing that I do know about truck driving, because I know very little about it, but the little bit I do know, I know that a lot of the big truck stops actually have like microwaves and things like that at them.

So if you're willing to put the work in, where you mill prep, and you, that's the key right there. Right, and you set your meals out on the weekend or your day off, because obviously you might be driving through the weekends, I don't know, but whatever your days off are, is you mill prep and you pack them in one of those bags,

and I know you guys used to make fun of me in the six pack bags and things like that, but here's a great example of something. Bring your cooler. Oh yeah, that's what those are okay That's what those are and they're just and they're separated in meals where you pour some out That's they're nice and then you you know every time you can hit one of those truck stops as you don't need to be eating Every two hours especially when you're sitting down Mm-hmm, so you just need to make every you know six hours or so you stop at a stop and you and you heat up one or two of those

I think it would be wise to fast, many times, not all day, but to give yourself an eating window so that you're not eating throughout your drive because that could really add up. I know, now here's the thing, I know myself, I don't like driving long distances. One thing that I sometimes will do to keep myself awake is snack while I'm driving.

Now I can't imagine doing that for hours and hours drinks. Yeah, so I could see the tendency to want something to snack on because you're driving and you're, you know, whatever you're doing the same thing over and over again. But I would say, I would caution against snacking for a couple of different reasons. One, your calories will sneak up on you so fast. Super fast.

And what are you gonna snack on nuts? That you're gonna hit 5,000 calories a nut. Lots of calories a nut. Beef jerky, string cheese, all those are good options, but you just gotta be careful with that. Especially if you're snacking, and then your energy expenditure is so low because you're sitting for long periods of time

that you don't need lots of calories. The strategy that I would recommend, I've trained truck drivers before. I actually trained a guy for a years who owned a truck driving company And so for years before he kind of grew enough to have other drivers, he was the driver and we would have these conversations And you know, when we would talk about these things, you know, the most important thing you can do And it's really the same thing that I tell most people today in modern life because most of us are sedative all day long. But truck drivers guarantee to be sedative is choose a form of exercise that's going to

speed up your metabolism to offset the lack of activity. Because you really can't do anything in the cars. Like you can get up and walk around like if you're at a desk, you'd have to pull over. And that's money out of your pocket. That's why good strength training for this guy, dude. Totally. Like really, really good strength training. Build a strong metabolism that's fast to offset the lack of activity that you're experiencing most of the time in the truck.

And then the other thing I'd recommend is bring some bands with you and maybe even a TRX. Yeah, bands are great because they're super convenient. And if you have space like a kettlebell or two. And then what you do is when you stop to go to the bathroom Do five to ten minutes of exercises? Who was our who which one of our listeners was posted that in our forum? He had he had some he does like some sort of a delivery service with his truck and he had the bands looped around the back of the truck It was pulled down and he was doing trigger sessions. Like, perfect. I mean, a perfect world is every four hours or so, stopping at a truck stop,

getting your one to two meals, heating them up because you prepared them and hitting a trigger session. That would be, and then on your off days, on your off days, you're doing some serious strength training. Some heavy mattresses, some maps and a ball have paired with the trigger sessions, and then preparing your meals and hitting truck stops. and some serious strength training. Some heavy mattresses, some MAP Santa Ball have paired with the trigger sessions, and then preparing your meals and hitting truck stops. Yeah, and at the end of the day, make sure you're getting the extensions. And so you're mentioning maybe some neck pain

and some protracted shoulder issues, to combat that, definitely make sure your body's in an extended, fully extended position. And here's the other option. MAP Santa Balls would be great. You know what else would be great and might even actually be better because I'm trying to think of all the prime No, I'm trying to think of all the issues that would that would happen to screen right now Yeah, you know what would happen to a truck driver which is lack of activity

That's a big one. We want to fast from a tablet. That's a big one Stay in the same plan on the same position Yeah, like you you're gonna want not great point gonna want, not just correctional exercise like you would find in prime, but actual mobility workouts, which you can do with a stick, which is easy to barely twisting your body. Those are gonna be very important for you.

Yeah, so imagine this, you're a truck driver, you're driving long distances. What I would do is I would do mobility workouts when I'm on the road, because all they require is a stick and maybe bands are not, so it's nothing. And then the days where I'm actually have access to a gym, I would do the foundational workouts of math performance

because you're more than just trying to build muscle, which it does also, it's also promoting good movement patterns to offset the bad patterns that you're developing with truck driving. I mean, now that I think about it, masterformance is the perfect program. You could also make the case for maps anywhere too. I mean, this is like, this is what's so great about

and how we developed all the programs that we did is because there's a place for all of them in a sense, right? Like I could definitely agree with you that the benefits of all the multi-plane your movements that we have inside of performance and That person who's sitting in this the sagittal plane the entire time like absolutely that makes sense even prime pro You know for handling all this dysfunction from sitting in a seat for hours upon hours But then also if you're on the road four days a week you can't make to a gym doing anywhere You know and then when in your home days when you're there a road four days a week, you can't make to a gym doing anywhere,

you know, and then when in your home days, when you're there, a map, Santa Ball, type of program. So the answer is there, like we have something for you that will complement like all the issues that you might run into. If you have good planning, super bundle that shit, but if you have really good planning, you're gonna be okay.

You just have to have good planning. If you go into it and don't plan, and just like, okay, I'm just gonna drive, you're setting yourself up for failure. So how do you plan for that? Well, you have a good workout program. Like I said, to offset the lack of activity, and to offset the immobility and bad recruitment patterns

that you're gonna develop just from sitting all day long. So you've got that planned out. And then the nutrition, prep your food. Before you go on your trip, get a cooler, grill up all your meat and your chicken, your vegetables, your starches, everything will hold well in a cooler, pack it in the truck, and then-

Get yourself some good nitro coffee. Yeah, and eat like I would recommend for a truck driver, honestly, to eat maybe twice a day, maybe two meals, that's it. Don't go snack and don't eat throughout the whole time because those calories will keep up on you. Just give yourself two good meals to have while you're on the road

and bring them with you. Otherwise you're screwed because I'll tell you, when we travel, we just drove four hours down to LA and back or five hours or whatever. Not many good options off the side of the road. Right, and we're all on a hardcore diet right now too. So you gotta mention that because in the past, sometimes we'd be like, ah, screw it, whatever, we'll just go have a burger,

we'll have something else, but right now everyone's dialed in. So yeah, not a good, not not good. Now if you absolutely have to have something to eat, that's convenient and you don't want to wait and just eat two meals, you know, the obvious ones are, you know, not to be jerky. Now these, here's the thing I've trained truck drivers myself. And one of the things that I would recommend is actually weighing out and measuring your nuts, because that's where, where nuts get crazy. I mean, might get crazy sometimes. We get away from the lip. Yes, the, the, the nuts can get crazy because

it's, the calories that up so fast, you grab a handful of peanuts or almonds or pistachios. That's not that much. 400 calories. Yeah, and exactly. So if you're going to do the nuts on the drive, then weighing them out before, so at least you know that once you empty that bag, you've had your allotted 200 calories or 300 calories worth of nuts and you're done with it. Otherwise, you know, 500 to 1,000 calories

and nuts sneaks up really, really fast. It's a nice hefty scale. You know what I mean? It does that up, but yeah, you just have to plan yourself out very well. He says he drives a night shift four nights a week, so you have three days a week, so, hey, I tell you what,

if you, oh, and master formance is half off this month, so here you go, Here it is for you specifically For nights a week you you're you're driving Those are the days you do the mobility sessions that you can do on the road the three days a week you're home There's your foundational workouts right there. I like that bring your food with you So that everything's kind of set up on plan out and I think you'll be fine Not only will be fine. You'll probably thrive if you do it all, like I'm laying out. We're joined, so we'll thank you.

If you're a G, get the Superbino though and just keep all that, because it gives all that. Yeah, it's a good point out of them. Next question is from VMA Mr. Black. Would using machines for heavy ab work be the same as some of the exercises in the No BS 6 pack program? Nope, not at all.

So here's what they're referring to for people who don't have the no BS six pack Program or workout One of the hallmarks of it is and there's lots of it's the technique of it Yeah, one of the now there's a lot of reasons why it's an effective program But one of them is that you know when I wrote that program one of the big myths I wanted to dispel Was that you needed to do high reps for abs. For some reason a long time ago we decided that the abs were a different muscle than the

rest of your body. And if you wanted to really sculpt them and shape them and see them, then you do a lot of reps. They're a muscle like anything else. And if you want to see your abs, you want to build them. And not only that, but if you build your abs, you actually see them at higher body fat percentages. I used to never train my abs properly. I would do high reps or I wouldn't work them out at all. I would get my body fat down to 7% 8% body fat. And unless I flexed really hard, I still

didn't have like the six pack. Now I have the six pack that's visible at 12% body fat, even when I'm relaxed because I've built out my app. So that's the hallmark of it is being able to use or one of the hallmarks is being able to use resistance to build the app. Now here's why I never recommend machines for ab work. Machines are designed for this average height, average shaped person with a particular type of mobility. When you look at your spine, it's a bunch of joints, and it's very different from person to person. And when you're flexing and contracting the abs,

you want to be able to bend and curl at the lumbar spine. The odds that that machine is going to fit your body perfectly are very, very low. And so it's going to end up happening as your ad resistance on a machine and you're going to be doing hip flexor exercises. You're going to be bending at the hips all day long. And this is why I'll see, how often do you guys see this? The decondition people in the gym, you do in the whole stack on the ad

machine. You put them on a physio ball, do a proper crunch, and they're shaking at rep number two. Now, that being said, I do want to play devil's advocate with this, because I know there is a small percentage of people that are listening that can get benefits from using the machines because they have a really good connection to their abs and they know how to flex it. The same way that I can get on a machine that wasn't even

designed to work a certain muscle and use it to work the muscle that I want to. But we're talking about a very small percentage. So I think what you're saying is 100% true for 90% of the population, right? So majority of people, yes, no, Brandon. Now, if you're somebody who has got in incredible control of your abdominals, like you can flex your abs in almost any position. You have an extended limb and flex.

Yes, right. And you really understand and understand the mechanics of it with your your flexion extension of the spine. Well, if you understand that really well, then yeah, absolutely, I think you can use a machine and get benefits from it, for one workout or whatever, because you can't do that exercise, or you just feel like doing something different. I don't think it's gonna hurt you,

but I think that a majority of people, this is an area, and we did a YouTube, you did a great YouTube video on this a long of people, this is an area and we did a YouTube, you did a great YouTube video on this a long time ago, so most people just don't have a good connection to their abs, so you add that in with a machine that wasn't designed specifically for their body and then they try and hammer away. No way. You're going to be pulling with your arms, you're going to be using your hip flexors,

you're going to be doing a lot of things in our hands. Well, it emphasizes all the compensations. Right. So, thinking about this way, we all know the doing a lot of things in our own. Well, it emphasizes all the compensations. Right. Yeah, so thinking about this way, we all know the abs that kind of flex the body for, right? They fall, they fall, if the average person would say, if I said, hey, what am I working and I laid down and then sat up, they'd say, oh, you're abs,

because we know that the abs kind of helps fold the body up. But what a lot of people don't know is that the hip flexors fold the body up as well. Now, they do it from the hips and the abs do it from the lumbar spine, but they're close to each other. The difference, the distance between the hips and the lumbar spine is, you know, what is that? Inches, right?

So it's not that, so it can almost look to the same to somebody who's untrained, or untrained eye. That, not to mention, if I'm flexing at the hips and using only my hip flexors, my abs still have to stabilize my body. So, and the reason why I'm saying this is a lot of people will be like, but I feel my abs. Yeah, I still feel my abs right here.

I'm isometrically contracting to stabilize it. They're all they're doing is stabilizing. So it's no different than, it would be no different than me holding my arm out to my side, almost fully extended. Just squeezing it. With my palm up, with the dumbbell, and then moving my shoulder up and down.

I'll be lifting the dumbbell up and down. My bicep is gonna be active in the sense that it's stabilizing, but I'm not working it in its full range of motion. This is true with the abs when you're working the hip flexors. And this is why people do like, the most common ones, leg raises, right? They'll hang from a bar or they'll prop themselves up with their elbows and they'll just bring their legs up

and down and the hip flexors will bring their legs up. They're not really working the abs on a full range of motion, but they still feel the abs because the abs are stabilizing. Such a terrible, yet great exercise at the same time, right? Arguably one of the best exercises that you can do for abs, but also one of the most challenging to do correctly and not let your hip flexors go. You have to be really strong.

You have to have really, really strong abs to go from, to allow your hips to go into a posterior pelvic tilt where you're flexing at the lumbar spine with the resistance of your long, heavy legs because it's a long lever. That's a hard exercise. I've got, when I train my abs, they're decently strong. I'm not doing more than 15 really good reps.

See, I teach to actually do that with your knees and exaggerate the rolling up of the shoulder and more than anything else because I think it's a better legs than the rear hips up. Yeah, straight leg. It's so... It's a long lever. Yeah, I can only get like five good reps, dude. So I, I, and I could actually take the knees, bend the knees, and roll up and exaggerate how high I roll up and practice that little more contract.

Way more, way more. So I think that's a much better way to teach that move because that's a very advanced movement if you don't have a good connection. It is a reverse crunch is one of my favorite exercises to teach people how to activate the abs because if you're laying flat on your back, what I'll have someone do is a lay on a bench,

the hold on to the back of the bench, tuck their knees and then they're just gonna roll their back, they're low back off the bench, like tuck their legs, like they're piece of paper, right? Not shooting them straight up in the air, if you can people do that, that's the wrong way to do it. Roll back. Pulling it towards you.

Yeah, and so you can feel what the abs are doing because it kind of keeps the hip flexors now as stabilizers rather than as the prime movers. And that helps teach people what the abs do. But I said, another one called where you crunch up like one brick at a time, like you kind of just peel your abs.

Perfect setup, perfect setup. Yeah, perfect. I love that. Just a little bit of a sit up. That's an old school sit up. It's phenomenal. Very tough if you're like really intentful as you do it. Now something else you wanna also keep in mind

when training your core and your abs is the core muscles really primarily act to stable, they do move, right? They do flex and squeeze and all that stuff. But primarily they're to stabilize your trunk while your arms and legs are moving and stuff like that. So not only do you wanna do these exercises that build the abs which include which are full range of motion,

but it is a good idea. And this is not in the No BS6 pack formula, because the No BS6 pack was designed to give you visible six pack. That's why I designed it that way. But if you want a really healthy overall core, you want to do that, but you also want to do anti-rotation exercises,

which are excellent for, yeah, so an anti-rotation exercise would be like, you know, I have a cable, like a cable chop, but my arms are close to my chest, and then I just maintain good posture, and I just stretch my arms out, increase resistance, and bring it back, just so that my core gets used to stabilizing with tension, so it's not moving. Are you lunging in place while resistance is pulling you know to the side? Yeah, very, very good at stabilizing the spine, so that's also something that's not moving. Are you lunging place while resistance is pulling you know to the side? Yeah, very, very good at stabilizing the spine. So that's also something that's really important.

And then I do want to say one more thing. The obliques do not neglect them. Everybody's afraid to work the obliques for some reason. I think they're going to get a bigger waste. The obliques are arguably more important than the abs when it comes to movement and sports and strength. You do much more rotation than you do like flexing at the spine and stuff like that. So don't neglect the obliques.

Plus they look awesome when they're well developed. You know, so next question is from Ryan Alduena. You keep dising Justin on his cheese cravings as if cheese is always unhealthy. Yeah, you tell him. Can you talk about the benefits of raw, pasture, raised, 100% grass-fed cow goat and sheep cheese? You know why we razz Justin? It's because it's a sauce bottom.

Cause he's Justin, we just wait. Cause he's an easy target. Yeah, we just love messing with people. Just to call me rap boy back in the days. It's from his cheese. For real? Yeah, I know. Like junior eyes.

Oh, is this a legit thing for life thing for like your whole life? Yeah, yeah Me my dad has the same thing. I got it from him. I swear dude. He's he's very much of a cheese Wow, dude. Yeah, he came back from like Wisconsin brought me like cheese curds like when I was a kid Dude, have you ever had cheese curds at them? No, they're fantastic. They squeak when you bite them or they they make it Delicious, they're really good. Yeah, I don't know. They're weak. Yeah, they're like, it's weird. Crunch on it, but it's like a squeak at like, kind of like, it goes over your teeth like and cleans it or something. It's interesting.

I don't know, it's interesting. Someone told me that once, and I had a client else from Wisconsin and she brought me these cheese curds and she's like, oh, they squeak when you bite into them. That's true. And I thought she was joking and I eat them and I was like, you kind of feel this like little,

yeah, through the enamel. Yeah. So there's a slide. So here's the reason why we mess with Justin, you kind of feel this like little, yeah, through the endamil. So, some reason it slides. So, here's the reason why we mess with Justin, all joking aside with cheese is because, he's addicted, that's why. That, and also, I admit it. I have a hunch, and I'm not, I don't know if I'm right or not,

that he may have an intolerance, a slight intolerance to cheese. That's why they both speculate. Yeah, that was a speculation. We will find that out, but I do, I mean, there's definite value in like, say goat cheese, like where maybe some people aren't as intolerant towards other types of milk and products out there

that you can choose from. So I mean, I don't, there's definitely nutrients that you're getting from milk. I mean, it's not like people, no, it's a great source of protein in fact. Dude, it's one of the great source of protein. If you, if you're getting from milk. I mean, it's not like people... No, it's a great source of protein in fact. Yeah. It's one of the great source of protein. If you... If you're tolerating.

Right, if your stomach can handle it, I think there's a great... Now, what is it? Why is it not so good for so many people then? Why is it a common? Cheese, sorry, milk hasn't been used as a food. Well, no, that's, well, so we'll go into that. What would it be?

Yeah, milk hasn't been consumed by humans in mass for a super long period of time in context of how long humans have been around and stuff like that. Now the areas where humans have been consuming a lot of dairy are northern European countries and some regions of Africa, where it's been, it's been with us for 10,000 years. Most of the rest of the planet hasn't been consuming milk for a long period of time, so we didn't evolve. Yeah, I don't know.

The necessary enzyme. So in other words, even if you have a problem, Justin, you should not plus out and you should keep eating it in order for the generation after you to evolve. Yes. And get beyond that. Is that the theory? I got the genetics that passed on.

Like you're talking about like Northern European. Yeah, come on. That's my wheelhouse. Yeah, Northern European, something like 90% of them produce the lactase enzyme. You're a Viking, bro. There's no fucking, there's no, there's no cheese and milk on the boat. You know? What do you mean, dude?

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People from northern European areas, I think something like 85 or 90% of them can digest lactose, no problem. People from certain regions in Africa have a different variation of their gene that also has them produce lactase. It was a different, separate evolutionary advantage. To make it to the Mediterranean.

No, people in Mediterranean, large percentage of them can have lactase or lactose. Large percentage of Asians, large percentage of Africans outside of those regions, like the Messiah tribe, for example, they subsist into almost entirely on like cow. So like milk and blood and meat and all that stuff. So, so that's number one, you have to be able to tolerate it first.

That's number one. Now, that's being said, raw organic grass-fed milk, if you can tolerate it, is actually quite, it's actually super nutrient dense. Super nutrient dense, super healthy. It's a long time ago, and here's the problem, because we pastorized all of our milk. Pastorization actually destroys the beneficial bacteria

that you'll find in milk. So I don't know if you guys need to start. I think Arnold ruined this for everybody. He said milk is for babies. Yeah, I got to drink beer. Milk is for babies. Before that, everybody said it was all good, dude. I don't know if you guys know this or not,

but if you take raw milk and you leave it out, it doesn't go sour. It actually turns into buttermilk, I think. If you take pasteurized milk and you leave it out, it goes sour. When we actually used to have milk men, right? They would drop it off in this glass container. That was like a day or how many days old was that milk?

Oh, that was that was we're still past rising then. Although something was working. Because it was white, bro. What do you mean? Like real. Oh, milk. Don't look white, dude. What is it?

Yeah, it looks almost brown. Uh-uh. Not uh. What do you mean almost? He's talking to the bovine. He's talking to the extraction. Technician. No, no, hold on a second.

Straight. I'm talking milk. I'm talking raw, but then they still have to like do something to it. You're talking straight from the tip. It gets homogenized and pasteurized. That's what happens to look. Before that, and it's raw, and it's raw as form, it looks almost brown. It's a very interesting, it's like a light, like tan color.

And when you shake it in like a jub, it's like thick and creamy and sticky. It does not look like milk that you've seen on movies and in TV and in grocery stores. It's interesting because I remember, I was like going through some 4-H like display, so they had like a fair and then somebody was talking about like they get judged on the type of milks that they come in with from their cow

and some of them have, they could tell if they like went through a patch of like, like onions or whatever, like. They could taste like this very distinctly. So my kids, when they were growing up, when they went stop, you know, when they stopped breastfeeding and we would give them milk, I bought them, this back when you could buy raw milk,

I'd give them raw milk. I don't know if you guys know this, but calves, they've done studies. If you feed them past rice milk only, they don't thrive the same. Same thing with other animals, raw milk, they don't thrive the same. Same thing with other animals. Raw milk, they tend to thrive better. Because raw milk's got the beneficial bacteria in it.

It lose a lot of the enzymes when you actually... And the enzymes, and you know raw milk actually contains some lactase enzyme in it. So for people who may, some people who can't digest past rice milk have no problem with raw milk. Is it just because of the shelf life that we got away from that?

Or is there dangerous to... No, there's something happened at one point where we got everyone got sick from it yeah decades ago you know they were producing milk or trying to produce it in mass and cows were kept in really cramped dirty quarters they were fed you know bad food they were fed something fed something called brewers mash which was like this which was like this waste from whiskey, producers and stuff, and they would feed it to the cows. So the milk actually came out with a blue tint to it.

And people would get sick many times because when you milk a sick infected cow, it's going to produce something that's healthy. No, you can see it. So when we used to milk, right? You have, you put all the suction cups on and then you have this big glass ball and the milk's shooting through and you're watching it. And I was trained to like look at it and you could see and tell if it's off.

And so if the cow was sick or they got into something like you were saying before, there's, there's, it would be a distinct difference. Now, when it gets mixed into a huge pot of milk, it's like you can't really tell. It dissipates a little bit. But if I, you see that, you take that off the cow right away, and then you mark, so we used to have this white board, right?

Where we were, we're milking on this cow, and then you're busing these cows through. And if one came in, and normally I could tell, obviously, when I've been doing it for a really long time, I could tell by the way the cow walked in, they normally didn't want to eat something, they didn't want to eat. They look a little unhealthy.

Yeah, they look unhealthy, or they just didn't look like they were happy or whatever. Then you go to do their, you put the milk, and then you see it's has some sort of discoloration, you unhook it right away, mark the cow's tag up on there, and then the boss comes through later on that day, and knows to go check up on that cow,

and that was like kind of our process. Yeah, so because the cows were so sick and because they were fed this garbage and people were getting sick from milk, you know, was a Louis Pasteur, he figured out a way to pasteurize milk, basically heat it up and kill everything in it. And now everybody could have milk again.

And then now we have laws that say, you have to have, you know, you can't sell raw milk. And now everybody could have milk again. And then now we have laws that say, you have to have, you know, you can't sell raw milk. In many states, it's illegal. I've seen videos of raids on dairy farms that are selling raw milk, which I think is... That's weird. It's absolutely insane. Yeah, I mean, you drink milk from healthy cows.

It's healthy. The milk's fine. And it's better for you. Homogenization, there's also some problems with homogenization, because that's crushing the fat to the point where it's suspended in the liquid, so it doesn't separate. That has its own potential negative health effects,

that a lot of wellness experts will talk about. So, yeah, if you don't have an intolerance to dairy, dairy can be a very healthy thing. Western A price, if you go, WesternAprice.or, great website, he talks about like ancestral diets and, you know, this is how I learned about like cod liver oil and I learned about healthy fats and this, you know, great information. He was a dentist that traveled the world and studied the teeth of, you know, different,

you know, civilizations and found that hunter-gatherers had these amazing teeth and no cavities and whatever and he looked at their diet and he was like, oh, it must be their diet. Anyway, it's a foundation that studies diet and counters a lot of the stuff we've heard like low fat, grain, heavy diets, they're kind of against that. But that's where I learned about the benefits

of raw, organic, non-homogenized milk versus pasteurized milk. And like I said, when my kids were grown up, that's what I bought them. That's what I gave them. It's basically like it would be, it would be who've everybody at least go through some sort of elimination to see how their body responds as you reach or do so. It's the most common food intolerances. So like for me, for example, I'm intolerant to lactose, so I can't digest lactose,

but I can take a lactase enzyme, right? So I could take what's it called. I can't remember, anyway, I could take a lactase enzyme. Lactate. Lactate, thank you. But I'm also intolerant to dairy protein. So I must have at some point,

and probably through my years of beating my body up, and I used to drink literally to gain weight. Well, it makes me want to drink a gallon of milk. Oh my God. I would literally take that to school with me and I drink a gallon of milk. I bought into that milk builds muscle thing when I was a kid too. I drink gallons. It's the ultimate weight gainer shake right there.

In fact, all the weight gainer shakes used to mix them with whole milk because that's how they go with galleries. But I would pound whole milk and I probably had gut inflammation and developed antibodies now against milk protein. So now I can't have milk proteins either, regardless of lactose. So I can't have dairy. A lot of people have issues with dairy. I would say more often than not, when I work with people, eliminating dairy helps them out.

Yeah, and I'm sure all the way protein for the gym rats out there has not been beneficial as far as like attributing towards it. Well, then you add in the fact that we teach people the anabolic window to slam a shake like, right? And we tell people by response before the combination of beast mode, slam a drink within. Superlose.

Yeah, right away, it's like recipe for disaster. And then if you're already sensitive, it's like, hell, well, I mean, that's probably what happened to you. Let's watch. Yeah, yeah, because I would pound, you already don't have the jeans to be somebody who's drinking a lot of dairy And then you add in the fact you're pounding a gallon and you're pounding a drink right after you get done working out I mean it really is a perfect storm it took me so long to it just accept that I that gluten and dairy were things that I just Good for me. Do you know how sad that is for a person who grew up

in a family that, well, I mean, I'm a time. Pasta, pizza, like all the really good shit. I can't eat it. You know what I mean? Very, very sad. Ooh, pizza. You look sexy now, that's how it's worth it. Oh, I appreciate it.

Next question from bad casting. How do I stop nudging my sack when doing barbell shrugs? Well, we have a such a common problem. We're gonna nut theme today, huh? That's a legit. It is legit. What a great question. Bro, yeah.

What a great, because you know, you've never seen silence of the lambs. I highly suggest you do that, miss. Oh, hashtag, hashtag big dick problems. Yeah, but it puts to those shooting the bar. You know, it's funny. if you have big legs, especially because you squeeze your big legs together, yeah, pushes everything forward, pushes the berries forward. The back tuck. You're gonna end up blasting something. I would say use

a, you know, I change my grip sometimes. So if I go too wide, it's like sits right there. What do you think of behind the back shrug? Oh, man, behind the back shrug was a favorite with Lee Haney mr. mr. Olympia eight time mr. Olympia you don't use nearly as much weight but boy do you feel that shit in your truck you gotta have decent shoulder mobility I mean good point off but yeah definitely it's a legit yeah behind the back shrugs dumbbells instead I that's this is one of the reasons why I don't like barbell shrugs because I can I can, I can shrug pretty good weight.

Not the only reason you don't like barbell shrugs. I mean, yeah, it was weird. But I'm sure. But this is definitely one of the reasons why I would gravitate towards either the dumbbells, behind the back. You know what's a great one that we haven't talked about on here? Or maybe we have a long time ago, is reverse shrugs, where you actually pick the bar above your head

and you actually switch. Oh, overhead shrugs? Yes. Oh, those are gnarly. They are. They hit your track. Great, great movie. You got to, because it's all right.

Oh wow, I forgot about that. Here's the deal, and this is why I love this. This is also why I love the Z-press, okay? Not a lot of people lift something and in full extension above their head and can stabilize weight. That in itself is a great trap exercise because with the weights suspended like that, you have the long lever and the traps are responsible

kind of stabilizing that weight above your head. So Z-presses are already one of my go-to moves for that alone because it will help build those traps because you have to stabilize it. Now if you take that and you actually reverse shrug so you're like reaching up and down with that wave on your head, that's a great move. I've done that.

Great forgotten. I've done it before and it hits the traps like nothing of every, now you have to have decent shoulder mobility, you know, if you have shoulder impingement issues, you're probably not gonna. It's not for everyone. It's not for everyone the more on the danger side,

but it's not for everybody, but if you can do that move. You gotta go light. Yes. You gotta go really light. So there's that exercise. And then I discovered through, when we went, you know, a while ago, we traveled with Robber. Robber, yo, Robber Obers, right?

Boom. And this guy's traps look, it's basically, it looks like he's got like two other humans growing out of his back. Is that like a huge upper back? So you got mountain. Yeah, and so Doug's like, what do you do to build your traps? And he's like, everything.

Snatch grip, high pulse. Yeah, that's the best exercise ever. And I'm like, wow, yeah, I guess he's right. So I started doing those. Yeah. Lid my upper back up like nothing. Now, yeah, that fast switch element to it. Yeah, a little power to that muscle group

where you know, that's so great. I remember just even power cleans, which is very similar type of movement. I remember my traps just exploding. Well, what a great point, Justin, because it's a muscle that doesn't get a lot of explosive work anywhere else. It's designed, it's a stabilizer muscle.

Yeah, so it really stabilizes the shoulder girl. So we get work in it, and you could directly do it by doing Shrugs and lifts like that But how often does your body ever call upon it for explosive movement? Most people do shrugs wrong, dude. Most people their shoulders are a little rolled forward They're shrugging up and they're using the other scapula elevators

Aside from the trapezius muscles, which are the big meaty ones Yeah, so when you're doing shrugs, what you wanna do is when you're doing them is you wanna, rather than going straight up, imagine you're going up and behind your ear a little bit. So you're kinda coming up at an angle and squeezing back just a little bit. It's not this huge back squeeze,

but you're coming up at an angle where you're aiming your shoulder to behind your ear. Watch how your traps feel. If you go heavy, you end up with this forward shoulder shrugging thing, which A is gonna give you bad posture, cause shoulder problems, probably tweak your neck. The chicken wing move.

There you've seen that, that was it. Did you guys see the same guy at the San Teresa 24? You should do that? Yes. It's like so much weight on the bar. We'll pick it up, maybe not even it's just, if you're one of the weight belt that's at beast on it, it, bounces. Yeah. And the hammer strength. One of my poor guy, we got to get him in here. You've roasted. I'm gonna put a face the name. Yeah, I know.

I know exactly. I know. Put a beast on your. I it wasn't that way. It was a couple of years ago. We had already started mind-pull, but I had seen him. So he's around. Oh, he's still. I saw I saw him at the Willow Glen 24-off fitness. Same guy. Same doing the same exercise. Same guy wearing the same super tight shirts. Yeah, the hammer strength shrug machine, which I actually enjoyed doing shrugs on, also simultaneously happens to be a machine that I hate watching people use,

because it allows guys with big egos to add a shit 10-a-weight. So, you know, guys that have never lifted more than, you know, one or two plates on any exercise, all of a sudden can throw like four or five plates on there and do, you know, slam them down real hard. Yeah, and do like a centimeter range of motion and walk around like, yeah, I'm the man. Yeah, bro.

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