Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 830: The Value of Tracking, Having a Purpose & Knowing How to Listen to Your Body to Maximize Your Fitness, Energy & Health

Episode Date: August 6, 2018

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin discuss the importance of having a purpose, the value of tracking, the benefits of becoming aware of the signs your body is giving you and Sal's grand one-day experiment. Do you get a one week fashion pass when you are moving? The guys talk cross branding, their fashion evolution and Adam’s fashion faux pas. (3:52) The rise of the music industry and how technology has played a part in its advancement. Has music gone down in quality or is it a sign of the times? (11:35) The barrier to entry on YouTube and how the bar has been raised on your business plan to succeed. (18:40) The importance of DEFINING YOUR WHY/HAVING A PURPOSE to thrive in life and any business venture. (23:31) The ability to lead from the front, work from WHERE YOU ARE AT to achieve greater health/fitness results. (31:40) The Value of Tracking, Knowing How to Listen to Your Body to Maximize Your Fitness, Energy & Health. (41:20) What are the greatest lessons they have learned from the current “6 Week Fitness Challenge” going on? (48:20) What things are they becoming hyper aware of? Things they are changing going into Week 3? (57:41) Sal’s fitness experiment is finally coming to light! What he will be doing step by step, eating and how he will monitor his progress? (1:02:58) People Mentioned: Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram inspire someone (@simonsinek)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: Hit Makers: The Science of Popularity in an Age of Distraction - Book by Derek Thompson Start with Why: How Great Leaders Inspire Everyone to Take Action - Book by Simon Sinek Butcher Box Mind Pump 517: Paul Chek- The Holistic Gangster Unplugged Mind Pump FREE Resources – Everything You Need to Know to Reach Your Fitness Goals Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market (thrivemarket.com/mindpump) makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates.   Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com/mindpump/ Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, are you ready? Of mind, pom, we went off-pomp on some awesome topics in this episode. We started out, we had a little fun. We talked about fashion faux pas. You'll never believe who had a fashion faux pot in the studio today.

The self-proclaimed wizard of fashion. That's right. We talked about the evolution of film, music, YouTube, and the future for creators. We talked about the importance of having a purpose in business and in fitness and health, and in life, you have to have a purpose that drives you. Otherwise, you have no direction.

Get that meaning. We also talked about starting from where you are at. Now we talked to personal trainers and clients in that part of this episode. In other words, where you're at, you gotta start right there in order to move forward. You can't think 15 steps ahead. We talked about the value of tracking

and becoming aware of the signs your body's giving you. We gave some six week contest updates, find out who's in the lead for the fittest body at Mind Pump or the biggest change at Mind Pump, which will be ending in about five weeks. Adam and Justin are fighting furiously for second place. It's gonna be really good contest. We fight now.

Then we talked about my workout experiment. This is something I've been talking about we're thinking about for a long time. I'm sad. It all goes back to the lab. Self experimentation that I'll be doing. I'm excited for this. Saturday it's gonna be kind of cool.

Also, I do wanna mention, maps performance is half off. That's 50%. Finally people. You know, it's gonna be kind of cool. Also, I do want to mention Maps performance is half off. That's 50% finally people, you know, it's crazy I I would say okay, I would say that this program is the program that is probably the most Underrated that we have because it's the one that most people need and probably wouldn't do on their own Like even myself like if I like look at all the programs that we've written, like which ones do I like to train to, which ones do I normally go to, and which ones should I be doing more of?

100% Maps Green is that program because of the movements that are in there. It's just, it's a lot of unconventional type of training that most of us just don't do on a regular basis. That is gonna benefit the quality of your life. And in this program, I mean, you have the most amount of exercises and videos out of all the programs. I mean, this is teaching you like a whole new skill set that a lot of people tend to neglect.

I mean, they tend to move their body just in the sagittal plane, like forwards and back. And this is going to challenge a lot of people that are in their comfort zone. So it's something that we've always sort of recommended and tried to get people to really, really go through it like challenge your body in a new way. It is definitely one of the most comprehensive. It's why it's also one of the most expensive programs we have. But we've cut the price in half. So it's like 70 bucks or something like that, $77 and you get full access to maps, performance

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Remember to use the code green 50 That's the word green and the number 50 at mine pump media calm What's up with your socks Those are great they are I'm not I'm not really looks like you finish I'm not coordinated Yeah, it looks like finish line you ran and then you finish and're feet did. You should know Justin with those are from where? Oh, of course. They're from the band. Oh man.

But this is cool. This is inappropriate right now. So this is not fair to judge me because I'm packing. Everybody gets a one week pass when you're moving. For their clothes? Yes, one week pass when you're moving. That's it. That's all I ask for.

Really? Because you can't wear van socks with a D-tissues. Oh, yeah. And the only reason why you're moving. That's it. That's all I ask for. Really? Because you can't wear van socks with a deed issues. Oh, yeah. And the only reason why you know, sound knows, you can. Sound knows that because I'm sitting with my legs crossed in my, my, my pants. Your pants are just riding up. Yeah, they hiked up. I mean, here's a deal. You can. But if you're the kind of person that cares about silly things, then you don't silly. You want them to match like you want the same brand. Yeah, I mean,

yeah, it's like, you know, a lot, you know law You know rules that we make for that is interesting though You see some people with like Jim gear and then they'll have like Nike with like Reebok shorts and this and it's like Oh, I don't know. There's something about it. It just doesn't work. Well certain brands you can cross You just you know when it's like when it's a direct it be like somebody, you know Where in a mind pump hat with a barbell shrug t-shirt, just doesn't make sense. I'm saying like, what's wrong with you? Make up your mind. That's conflicting.

No. You can't, or at Nike and Reebok. They're too similar to do that. You know what I'm saying? They have to be, you could do like, you could wear like a brand, like, let's wear like a brand like, let's say like a van. Well, so here's the thing,

if they have competing ideologies, then that makes sense. Right, right, okay. But if they're just two brands of fashion, unless one represents like one is like an extreme, let's say one is like a left ideology and one is a right-wing ideology, then yeah, that would make a sense. Well, it kinda is like that. left ideology and one is a right-wing ideology. Then yeah, that wouldn't make any sense.

Well, it kind of is like that. He says it. So Vance is a skate and surf brand. Sure. Yeah. Lista. And Adidas is like a sport, athletic, soccer, basketball. So how are those conflicting ideologies?

Because they're down for me. Because if you're a soccer, basketball player, you're typically not a skate-er-surf and skate guy, right? Justin, did you ever skateboard? Yeah, did you play basketball and soccer? Yeah, but like, I wouldn't consider myself a skateboarder, right? So I was always conflicted with like,

buying too much stuff that like represented skate. That's what I mean. It's like, poser and counter. So my, my vans, when I wear, when I wear my vans, it goes with like my dickies, types of shorts, when I wear those, or my shorts that are styled like a dickies. Like so when the dickies become skater, by the way, it's been like that for a while,

but before that wasn't dickies. It's like workable. It was either you were a construction worker or you were a cholo. Well my theory, those are the two. My theory on that is the skateboarders is because dickies, the material is so hardy, you can crash on asphalt and it's not getting tore up. Oh yeah, because because jeans and all that,

we'd shred through jeans. Yeah, that material is like, so I have a different theory because when I was in high school, skating in the style really got really popular. And my good friend became a skater. And I noticed this crossover style between Like the Cholo style and skateboarder skaters very similar It was similar, but it was also kind of it's crossover and then what's his name Jesse James? Remember the dude that was on what was that?

Yeah, he kind of dressed that way Yeah, and I started to realize that you know, the skater's style is from California, it's from Southern California. It's also from, yeah, and it's also from Santa Cruz. And I think the skater culture just was intertwined with the kind of cholo culture, you know what I mean? And that's why I think you got the crossover because the styles were very similar.

Like Jesse James with the dickies and the Cortez shoes and the Button up a flannel all the way up to the actually would just do it all the way up all the way up The only difference is they wouldn't they wouldn't open the bottom right? Yeah, that was the difference I had to make sure I always had the top one open Yeah, and I always felt like in high school there was this alliance because that one the school high school I went to we definitely had clicks. Now I'm told that are not that many clicks today. No, that's what Enzo is saying. Yeah, so I'll but I'll I'll wear all of it right so I'll rock that's a that's the one I love going in and out of everything like you can't just like we talked about fitness like I've been this way since I was a

kid like you can't put me in a box like you're not not gonna categorize me as a skater as just an athlete, as whatever. Like, I'll wear. Go from box to box. Yeah, I'll wear all the different styles, but you don't mix the styles. Like what I'm doing right now is completely a, what do they call a fashion faux pas? Yeah, like it's a fashion faux pas.

You just don't wear the dearest socks with the pair. Or somebody like creates the look. And that's like everybody's like, okay, we're all gonna do like a variant of this kind of look. See, my approach is more like, remember the matrix? When Neo was like in that place and they were looking at like the Oracle was looking at all these gifted people. And there was that kid, the ball kid

that was like bending the spoon with his mind. And he's like the key to bending the spoon is to realize there is no spin I've realized there's no box I don't even jump the no box for me Cuz there is no box I just What's it for you you guys literally have no idea I am we've influenced this close I'm this close The all we need mine pump just needs a little bit more success. I'm this close. All we need, my pump just needs a little bit more success. I'm this close to literally wearing the same thing every day.

You're gonna go full speed. The same thing. I think it's a good idea. Because I think your fashion works for you. I think it's a good idea for me. I think the same way. I think I'm fashionably retarded. That's how you use.

That's just a big, big style. I don't know. You are. So I think I actually think it would be a good idea to do like the just uniform black. No, my fashion. I mean, you look good right now. You look great right now.

Yeah, well, I mean, I just look good. Yeah, I mean, you're a better split. Sure. Just kidding, but I think what I care enough to, I don't want to present myself to people so that they judge me right away. So I'm not gonna, I'm never gonna be at the point where I don't care so much that I'm just,

like literally thinking to myself like, it's hot outside, I'll just be naked. Like I'm not gonna do that. But, you know, I'm so close to the point where my closet is gonna be filled with two outfits. The one I wear every day, and the one I wear when I need to look at particular. The way you close these outfits is just another way

to express yourself. So it's an expression of yourself. And you're expressing, you don't give a fuck. There's nothing wrong with that. Like that's, and that you'll wear the same, there. I went through a phase where I wore blue jeans in a white fucking V-neck t-shirt for every day of the year, bro. But you really?

Yeah, I did that set for, it was, was crew neck. Yeah, yeah, that's, I did the same. What's the crew neck versus a V-neck? Just think about it. Yeah, I think it's just like a child suit. I don't know what a crew neck is. You're wearing a crew neck. You're wearing a Just like a sound. Think it sounds. Yeah, I think it sounds like a sound. I don't know what a crew neck is. You're wearing a crew neck.

You're wearing a crew neck. Oh, a normal collar. Yeah. Yeah, so that's, you know, so you can, and I think you were from the 50s? Yeah, I knew it. I have like two looks, dude. It's like, like 50s driven kind of rockability style,

and then it's like your Jesse James kind of, you know, flannel and mountain cholo, I guess is what it's called. Yeah, that's it. I am kind of a mountain cholo. The mountain cholo, look, it looks tough though. Oh, it is what it is. I just liked it and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna go with this.

Is that a thing from where you grew up? Is that really? A little bit, a little bit. Yeah, I kind of, I was influenced a lot by grunge and going to all these concerts and stuff and I just kind of had always liked that culture. I always just like to keep that. Yeah, dude, speaking of Grunge, because we were listening just so much of that music on

the way up when we were driving the other day, I've been putting on stone temple pilots and just loving it, man. Forgot all about that music. Literally my favorite era of music and it's, you know, everybody has that, I think. that music. Literally my favorite era of music. And it's, you know, everybody has that, I think. Really, that's your favorite era? Yeah, dude. I'm with Justin on that too.

Yeah, really. Yeah, everything, like alternative rock, that is like, all the stuff in that era. Like all the rap, everything. Wow. That's where I got stuck. When I was, I wanna say when I was 13 or 14 is when I discovered, when I really discovered classic rock and that's still, I think, is my favorite era.

Really, just that, like, like, 60s, 70s, you know, kind of classic rock era, the, you know, Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the zoo. That's the, that's the purist in you, you know, saying, I can appreciate that. I mean, there's a lot of everything that we listen to now came from that. So that's, there's an argument there when, because nobody can talk shit about that music. But I do get to talk shit all day you want about the music. Today, it's time tested already. Exactly. It is. It's time tested. People still listen to it today.

Much of the music, even the shitty music you hear today is, is, you know, distilled from that. You know, I'm saying like somebody took, was inspired by, I should say, inspired, not distilled, is inspired from that, you know, I'm saying like somebody took, it was inspired by, I should say inspired, not just still, it was inspired from that, right? So I, you can't really talk shit about bands like that. I just, you know, there's still good music out today. It's just a little bit, it takes a little more effort. I think what happens when we get to our age and what a lot of people are age,

and this isn't everybody, because I have friends that are my age that are still heavily into music and stuff. It's just, it takes a large portion of your time to do that. And getting back into it like I have recently, remember I told you when I fell off the whole, with my hormones and everything, and I was like, oh, fucking depressed

and just felt terrible, my workouts, I'm injured. It's like, so it forced me to gravitate to other things that provided a lot of joy and entertainment in my life and music was one of those things. So recently in just the last year or two, I've really got back into listening to it. But what I realized is to keep it up, it takes work. You know, you gotta be reading the latest and greatest.

Well, the market is so big now, and it was big then too, but back then, you listened to what was on the radio, I think. You know, it wasn't like you were, and it was hard to find all these obscure bands. It was less, the market was different. It was more difficult to enter, whereas today, there's a lot of these artists now that, you know, people are showing me that I'm like, they're big on YouTube.

You know what I mean? Or like, you never would hear them anywhere on the radio or what I think that's the counter to that right? You say that it's it's so much bigger. It's it's a lot more but it's also easier to access a lot of artists and fine Yeah, and you know find your your niche or whatever you like I think you are right about the purest thing because For me a lot of the appeal of the music of the 70s is when you watch videos of these artists performing, you can tell very little effort was put into, like it was the music was what got them where they were. It wasn't because they were handsome or pretty or because they looked good while they were performing. Many of these people look like they lost their minds while they were performing. Or they're engineering it to get mass appeal, right?

Like a formula. Like, yeah, they're following this formula. They've actually figured that out like very, very specifically. They have. They hear it in the music. And any market that becomes massive, you can always trace it to these kind of pure roots.

And fitness is really no different. Fitness is definitely no different. No, the book, the book hitmaker talks all about this. I mean, it's a great great read along these lines because every day and they say that there's something in us that wants that. We are we gravitate to things that are familiar to us. So even music that you like today have will probably have hints of things that you that you liked when you 20 years ago. Style like that.

Same the movies movies that you enjoy and stuff like that will remind you of other things. Even if it's completely different a movie, the storyline or something around it is familiar to you. Well, yeah, and that's the the worry I have. I guess is we're getting a little bit less innovative. I feel like in terms of like movies or music where I know that it'll probably swing back where people really wanna be challenged again

and see something that have never seen before. Where these studios, they're only gonna invest in something that they've already through all these complex algorithms everything they know specifically, I'm gonna make this much profit because this formula tracks this amount of crap on Facebook, I know they're into this type of, like you see this with Netflix recruiting specific actors

and all this kind of stuff, it's a formula. Yeah, well give it a chance though. Here's what I, and hear me out. So what happened with this entertainment is, it started off where it was very innovative, very creative, it was new, people are figuring new things out, writers were pitching ideas, studios many times

would take on some of these ideas, which today, and then what ended up happening is it becomes such a big market that, in order to produce a movie, it would cost you $100 million at least. And so studios are like, look, we can't bet on this idea, because we have this guaranteed formula

that we know is gonna at least get us back our money and then some. Whereas your idea is a huge risk, it could be huge, it could also fail. So we started losing some of that, but then the internet now has stepped in. And now you're starting to see more creativity again with smaller studios independent creators.

A good point, that's a good point, especially with like Sundance film and like things where people are, there's other venues for them to present it to see if it is, you know, a hit or not. So it's like there's proving grounds on small scales. I think that like mass appeal wise, we just haven't seen some of those emerge to that. It's starting to happen though,

because for a long time there, like let's look at our world, right? So we podcast, so we're, I guess comparison would be a radio show, talk radio show. For a while there, talk radio shows all sounded the same. Hey, different themes and stuff, but it was kind of a similar formula, similar person on the other end of the mic, and it's like,, hey, welcome to the whatever you know, and they're talking in

a particular way. And it was very similar because it was a formula that kind of worked for general. And so there was very little experimentation. It was some, you know, people that would kind of break through, but it wasn't a lot. Now with podcasting, you have a huge variety of all kinds of different genres and conversations. And that's happening with films. So we're not going to see these massively expensive, well-produced movies, but what we are going to see are these creative,

kind of independent type films or whatever. There's some creative people on YouTube right now. If you go on YouTube and watch some of this stuff, it's true, yeah. You know, it's kind of cool. And then they're becoming the big studios, right? YouTube, Netflix. Well, you're already seeing them really start to up

their production value too, which like the, a lot of the acting release there yet, but once they start bringing in actors into YouTube, I think that's gonna be a definitely a definitive change, you know, going, well, we already see what's the leveling up of production on YouTube. Oh, dude, like, I mean, I'm so glad that we had the foresight and we had somebody as talented as Doug

when we first started. Taylor and I met this morning that the whole conversation was around YouTube. And this is one of the, what we were talking about. He's like, you know, the standard to get in now. Like, you know, you have a lot of people that are aspiring to do something similar to what we've done as far as

having a fitness business and getting on a podcast or a YouTube and monetizing it that way and getting your programs and information out there. But the problem is now, I mean, just in the short time that we've been doing it, you know, you can get away with just three years ago versus now, like the standards have been high. It was, you know, it's starting to look more like television. People are because there are enough companies, enough people that are in the space that are providing now good information, you know, and they and it looks good. It sounds good.

You know, I was just razzin before we got on. I was razzin our boy Lane, you know, and I'm like Lane has such good information. He is sound sounds shitty like bro bro, bro I love you. Fix your fucking sound. I don't think he cares. I obviously, you know what I'm saying? Like it sounds like they're in a goddamn bathroom every time he does a video.

And it's like, I don't think people realize how much that hurts. That's what I'm saying. You don't, like the reason why he's so successful is because a guy puts out great content. He's also been doing it for a while. He did it when that was the that was the quality. He first started doing that. That was the quality. That's what

you stayed there. Yeah. I mean, back then YouTube was like, who dominated fitness on YouTube? That guy Scooby, whatever's name was, you know, six pack abs, Mike Channer, whatever. Mike Chayne, which was literally a camera in your living room. Yeah, just talk. And there's a certain appeal to it. And I get that, that's the amateur appeal, which still exists, but there's also equality. The bar has been raised, it's continuing to raise.

I'll tell you what, if you don't get in the, as an independent, as an independent individual, without lots of backing, if you don't get into the space now, five years from now, I don't know how you're going to do it. I don't know how it's going to be. You're going to have to have a lot of money or a lot of production. You'll have to your business plan will have to be far more creative than I'm going to do with the other guys doing. Like, you know,

which is again, part of the recipe with mine pump wasn't just, oh, let's just a bunch of fitness guys put some fitness information out out there is that we had a message that was different than a lot of people. And you add that in with the production value that Doug brings the table. And it's a recipe for success. And it's the reason why we've been on this climb

since we've started and we'll continue to, is because that's what really separate us. Now, if you come in now or in three years from now, you'll not only have to be on par with the content that you're providing, you'll not only have to have great editing and video, but then you'll also have to be unique and different and creative with a different message, because if you're giving

the same message, it's just like what we found out in the app world, right? So there's a standard that's already been established, and then this has accelerated substantially to where people are like, like if you literally have to click something, you know, too many times, they're done with it. I'm done, I have a band in this app, it's not for me. So it's like the consumer has

all these expectations going into these things. And if you don't meet those expectations, you're gonna get lost in the debris. Well, in like the in the app analogy, such a great analogy, Justin, because in the app world, if you come out and let's say, you know, you create a bat, you have a badass idea. You're so smart. You're so smart You have a great app you have a great idea and it's awesome and you start getting traction And it's got a 5,000 10,000 downloads 100,000 people have now downloaded your app You've made $300,000 your love and life and things are going great and now you're on the radar and now a big Fucking company like Activision or some huge company sees that reverse engineers We're everything he did reverse engineers, we remember that you did. Reverse engineers it throws fucking a quarter million a month in advertising and just raps you.

Just done, your business is done. The same thing will happen in this space. Like what makes you think you're gonna come in and do the same thing as the other guy is doing and not do it better or not do it with a different message and think you're gonna survive. You're gonna do it. And even if you do get traction,

you get enough traction to where they notice you. Because at first, they'll let you fly on the radar. They don't know who you are. You're not on the radar. They're letting you test ideas to see if they work. Yeah, right. And then you see it and you go like, oh, wow, that's working.

That's working. Yeah, and so we have the money. We have the resources. We have the manpower. Boom. So then the question becomes, how does somebody then go in and maintain success? You have to define your why better. It's such a great read too for that exact reason.

I don't know how many people have talked to that wanna build a business like this. What's this Simon? Yes, Simon said that. I don't think so. Yeah, start with why. I wanna read his latest one, leaders eat last.

I hear it's really good. But start with wise and excellent. And excellent. Have your purpose. Yeah, and your purpose needs to be unique, man. If you're gonna build a business, you know, well, here's a thing, if your purpose, if it's something that you truly feel within you

that's really driving you, that gives you purpose, it's not just the purpose, like, oh, my purpose is to create, you know, a better product for nutrition. Okay, well, that's you purpose. It's not just the purpose. Like, oh, my purpose is to create, you know, a better product for nutrition. Okay, well, that's a purpose, but is that your purpose? Do you feel like that's your purpose? Right. Is it have meaning for you?

If it doesn't, it's gonna be difficult to weather the storms. It's gonna be difficult to pivot when you need to. And I don't even like saying just purpose like that, because you know, some trainer would respond, you'd be like, oh, I was born to help people on change lives like maybe bro But maybe you weren't born to run a million dollar business Maybe you were born to work for a million dollar business sure because there's more to just having a purpose and then no

It's one but it's an important fact. Oh hundred percent your wife that's not disagreeing But I'm saying like you say something like that and I hear this a lot from people that feel so confident that they've been led to or their mission is to help and train people. Therefore, they're going to get into this space. Well, getting into this space requires more than you just having a purpose to work within that space. Sure, but I also think that it needs to be defined a little bit better. That's kind of general. I just want to help people. Okay, well, how? to be defined a little bit better. That's kind of general. I just want to help people. Okay, well, how?

Yeah. What do you mean help people? How are you specifically going to help people and how different than everybody else? That's right. Not only are you going to do different than everybody else that's already doing that in that space? Yes, and that's a basic market economics lesson.

Look at the market. Is there a need? Does that, can you fill that need? And then is that something that you feel a strong purpose behind? When we started this, our purpose from day one was to change the tide, to change the direction of the massive ship that is the fitness health

and wellness industry. And there were specific things that we saw within it that we wanted to tackle cont saw within it that we wanted to tackle contend with and that we wanted to bring to light and influence. The very first thing we talked about, the very first thing was how the different segments of the fitness health and wellness industry did not cross over. And we thought that was crazy and silly. We thought it didn't make any sense. Why is it that the wellness people don't jive and talk with and work with the fitness people? And why are there just wellness people

and just fitness people? Isn't all of it the same? Is it at all contributing to making you healthier? Why do we have spiritual people who aren't even in that conversation? Why is it all a conflict of interest? Right. Lately, we've been bringing people on the show that represent different ways of achieving spiritual health or opening people's minds or whatever. Why are we doing that? Because it's all part of health. We knew that. And so that was the big-

And sexual health, right? Yeah, all of it, right? All of that represents your health. And so we talked about that early on. The other thing we talked about was, here, look, here's the bottom line. This is, and I'm not trying to be a lormister, whatever. Sometimes I know I come across that way,

but it is true that not only we are simultaneously in the most prosperous, amazing time in human history. If you could pick from today going back to the beginning of time, a time when you should be alive, today would definitely be the time that most people would pick, because you have most access to things. You don't have to worry about

crime, equalities at all time highs. There's opportunities for everybody. If you work hard, you're smart. For the most part, you're going to be okay and do okay. You don't have to worry about starvation. We figured out a lot of acute diseases, all that stuff. But simultaneously, we also have just dramatic increases in things like depression,

anxiety, suicide, suicide, skyrocketing, especially among young men. You have mental illness, skyrocketing. And we knew that the fitness, health, and wellness industry should be the answer. That right there is the answer, and yet it's not. It actually was part of the problem, and this was the frustration that we had seen as trainers

for, I had seen it for at least a decade. I'd worked two decades as a trainer, but at least the second half of my career, I would tell people, forget everything you were. Yeah, I think that's a fair statement because I think the first half we were probably part of the problem. Of course. Of course, you know, because you learn from it, you're in it, you do, you, this is the information you're receiving as a trainer, you know, from your certifications, from your colleagues, from your education, which is many times funded by these companies,

these special interests, whatever. And then you're also clouded by your own ego, your own insecurities, most people who get into fitness professionally are originally motivated to do so because they don't like the way their bodies look or the vanity, whatever. There's a lot of dysfunction that kind of propels people initially. So that first half, we were a part of the problem.

100% was a part of the problem. The second half, and really what motivated me, and you guys have said the same thing, just your love for the clients that first half, we were a part of the problem. 100% was a part of the problem. The second half, and really what motivated me, and you guys have said the same thing, just your love for the clients that you have, you wanna help them, you really wanna help them, so you keep digging, digging, digging. And eventually you just get to the point where you're like, okay, you know, Mrs. Smith, I know you're hiring me,

here's the first thing, forget everything you've heard from the fitness industry. Forget everything you've read, and you're, because all of that stuff, most of it's not gonna help you. I going to try and help you the way that I know that seems to be successful and it's very different from what you heard. It's going to take a lot longer than you think, but we're going to do this together. And, you know, we came from that space coming in. We started mind-pump and we looked and said, hey, we think that this

can be the answer. We know the answers are within it. We know the answers are within it from a physical health standpoint, nutritional health standpoint, mental health standpoint, spiritual health standpoint, but it's not getting delivered. And that's the purpose. And so, you know, it's funny that the money-making side of what we do is the side effect of that. And I'm not saying that we started this business without the intent of creating a business. Obviously we did, but we did a year of business

without a single, without monetization at all. And we worked hard for a full year doing it. And it was what motivated us every day when we woke up the purpose. Well, not only that, and you say that because then people think like Oh, that's the woods one year. Well the second year wasn't all so in paying the shit out of ourselves No, you know say we actually got a dollar after the first year

So reinvested quite a substantial even even at this point. I mean we're we're approaching four years right I think once four years had dug August is that when we are this month January. Oh January is gonna once four years had done August, is that when we, or this month? January. Oh January is gonna be four years, right? This is the first year where I can say we're all like, now starting to reap some of the benefits, you know, financially. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And even that, it's still conservative, considering how large of a company that we've built already.

Like it's not, but again, like Justin said, a lot of that's being reinvested back in the world. But would we have lasted as long as we did, had we not really felt driven behind this kind of purpose that we're trying to drive to? I don't think so. If it was any other business, if we did a car wash business or I don't know, some kind of business, would we have stuck together as long as we did, you know, doing all that

and probably not, we would have probably stopped because it wasn't really driving us. And I think that's what's important because in business, if you wanna be successful, it's almost like, yeah, you kind of, that's a big part of it because shit changes, you're gonna get thrown down on the floor a lot and what's gonna pick you up is something that's more important than, I don't know,

than yourself, maybe, I mean, that sounds a little esoteric, but you get my point, like, there's that purpose behind it. So, I think it makes a huge, it makes all the difference in the world. It really does. And on the other end of it, you know, and here's the business side now,

the consumer can see and feel it. I mean, that's the reality. Yeah, it's interesting to think about too, because there was a moment where I Thought about like the way that I was communicating information to my clients and like typically it was like okay How are we feeling today like it was very reactive? You know, and it was very like I'm gonna take care of you We're gonna work going forward from here versus like really

going to work going forward from here versus like really implanting and putting seeds in place to be preventive and like figure out what that even looks like going in a different direction. And so I feel like a lot of the mentality people share towards their own health is very reactive. And they don't want to think in terms of like, you know, what I can be doing, even though I already feel great right now, what I can be doing to set myself up and invest in myself, you know, in the long term. And, you know, like, that's where the wellness side really, you know, needs to be like a conversation that we need to pull that piece into the fitness and like where you are. You know, kind of attitude I used to have the first 10 years as a trainer. Client would come to me, I'd get their goals,

you wanna lose 30 pounds, you wanna feel better, you know, blah, blah, blah, and then my sales pitch was basically, and in that shell, they would trust me because I was very charismatic, right? I could sell my ideas very well. And then I'd say something like, do everything that I'm telling you,

follow everything I'm saying, and you'll get exactly what you want. And that was it, like, just do what I say, and you'll get all the things that you want. And the reason, now, was it successful in the sense that some people did what I said and got the results? Yes, was it successful in the sense that people actually made lifelong changes?

No, it was terribly non-successful, not successful, whatsoever, because the message was, do what I'm telling you. Right, it's like telling a kid all the answers for a test. Yeah, they'll pass the test. You know what I'm saying? If you tell the kid all the answers to the test, he's gonna haze the test. It's because I thought they're not gonna value it.

But they're not gonna learn it. No, and it's not gonna learn. It's because we all thought that it was the goal. The goal is the answer. We lose 30 pounds, that's what we want. Which, you know, talk about how challenging that is for trainers even today because, you know, this has to be one of the hardest things and took me years to get good at this because people come in that way.

And it's tough because as a trainer, you have to make money, you know, and the only way you make money is if people are in front of you and they're hiring you and they're paying you to stand in front of you Well a lot of these people they come in and I know what I want I want this, you know I want to lose 30 pounds. I don't give a shit about it. I'll just tell me what to do Yeah, I mean how many times have you heard that how many times is someone told you that you just I just I don't care Yeah, I don't care. Just tell me what to do to eat I'm gonna have to do and like they just, they're all disgruntled about it.

Right. And that's a, that's challenging if you really are going to change their life long term. And then it's also challenging if you're going to be successful and grow your business. Because at the end of the day, you said you need people in front of you. So, and we are in a service business.

And so part of that being in a service business is providing the service that these people are technically paying for. You just have to learn to convince them or make them understand that they don't know that they're unaware. You have to lead them. You can't push them.

You can't push anybody to these types of changes. You have to lead and they have to willingly follow. That's just the only way it's gonna work. And the path that you're leading them on starts where they are at. So this is an important thing to understand as a fitness professional, if you're listening to your trainer,

or even if you're not a trainer and you're trying to change your body, you need to hear this is very important. Imagine where you're at and imagine where you think you can be, okay? In order to get to that place, there's a path that you have to follow. And there's only one path, there's no shortcuts.

There just isn't, it doesn't work that way. It's proven in studies and science. I'm telling you, based on experience, there absolutely are no shortcuts. Can you take a shortcut and get quick results? Yes, will that be real life long change? No, no, odds are, the big odds are, it's not gonna work for you,

you're not gonna feel any happier and you'll probably gain the weight back and all that stuff. So there is a clear path, but the path starts where you are at. Now where are you right now or where is your client right now? Well, this is somebody that doesn't do any types of structured exercise or activity. This is somebody whose lifestyle is pretty sedatory. They eat in a way that basically the highest value

of their food is based on taste or convenience. So those are the two things that determine what they're gonna eat. Is it convenient and do I like the taste of it? Okay, so that's what you're dealing with and what you're contending with. And this is also a person that has zero understanding of what is in food.

They don't know how many grams of protein are in particular types of foods, grams of fat, grams of carbohydrates, how those all affect them. They don't know how to eat based on how they feel on their activity levels. They don't know what their basil metabolic rate, they don't know any to eat based on how they feel on their activity levels. They don't know what their basil metabolic rate. They don't know any of that information whatsoever. They don't know that they have muscle recruitment pattern issues that are

maybe potentially causing pain or just making them feel crummy or crappy. They don't know that they're sleep, maybe dysfunctional is not making them feel better. They don't know that they're relying on stimulants and sedatives to get them up and then get them to sleep. They don't know any of these things. So where are they at? They are there. That's where the path starts. and sedatives to get them up and then get them to sleep. They don't know any of these things. So where are they at? They are there.

That's where the path starts. So how do you take someone from there to this other path, which by the way, there is really no end. The path doesn't end anywhere. Along the way, you get these awesome goals and all that stuff. But you just stay on it. You have to start where you're at.

You have to adapt your message to fit with what they're bringing in. Took me so long to learn that as a trainer. I mean, it took me good 10 years. And I was a dedicated, very good trainer for 10 years. And it still took me 10 years to learn that. Where I would get a client, and I would figure out where they were at.

And goal number one was, okay, I want you to drink two glasses of water a day. That's where you're at. But we're at now is two glasses of water a day. That's where you're at. Well, we're at now, two glasses of water a day is where we're going to start. I remember I had one lady who, and I hope she's listening, her name is Collie, good friend of mine. She was sent to me by one of my doctor clients, and she had some health issues, whatever. She came to me, and she had terrible experience with exercise, terrible experience with physical

therapy, lots of pain, whatever, first words out of her mouth were, I'm, you know, doctor told me I need to be here, and I'm not gonna work out more than once a week. That's where she was. Yeah. Huge walls, right away. Yeah, old Sal, old Sal would have spent an hour

convincing her she needed to work out three days a week. Convincing her, like, and that's, that's gonna waste your time. You just come in, new Sal was like, no problem. This is where you're at. Here's what we could do with once a week. Now, over the course of, it was like four years. Over the course of four years,

she got to the point where she was working out. Twice a week with me, she was doing activity on her own in another two or three days a week. So now she became mostly active versus where she was doing before her diet radically changed when she first came to me It was like it was all what here's what she knew about diet if I eat low calorie, I'll be okay That was her thing. It was a lot of processed food stuff like that and then she used to tell me don't talk to be about nutrition Actually told me that for two years. Do not talk to me about nutrition So I'm like no problem. I knew some of her inflammation issues and all that stuff was tied to the sugar and processed food, but I didn't even touch it because

she wasn't there yet. You know, four years later, she was making her own meal. I mean, complete transformation. I would have blown her out of the water. Old-sale, I would have never, never touch her. Yeah, you know the other thing, I mean, you bring up, like, I just, I recognized about how I would start to coach and communicate like before that, I would give them like, like you said, like the answers to all the tests, right? Like here's what to look out for. Here's this, this, that, the other. But really what was even more effective was sort of giving them a very, you know, more

of a broad stroke of like things to consider, but step back. And step back and then probe them later, ask questions that you know, obviously you're leading them into certain answers, but you know, even for them to have self discovery and to figure these things out on their own was way more powerful. Oh, they come in, oh my God, I feel like, when I ate this food, I totally felt different

the next day, I was energy, you know, like them I ate this food, I totally felt different the next day. I was energy. You know, like them understanding that about themselves, like that lasted longer. You know why, whatever you say to someone else, they can then decide is true of false. That's always true. This is, by the way, this is a sales lesson as well.

If you try to communicate effectively, this is an important thing to understand. Whatever statement you make is either true of false to the person that's understand. Whatever statement you make is either true of false to the person that's listening. Whatever statement they make is always true to them. So if a client figures something out for themselves, or at least they feel like it's something that they've discovered on their own,

it's impactful and it is true. You can hammer it all you want into the right, it's tell them. But they can decide it's bullshit and I don't believe that. I saw it, I felt it. Yeah, and it's just not gonna work. And this is, you know, this is the direction. And here's the thing, I know why the fitness industry

never has never gone in this direction. It doesn't sell a lot of shit and it's not sexy. And how do I sell a supplement based on that? You know, what is that? Right. You know, here's your long term fitness plan supplement. It makes you think about what you're doing. I mean, I don't understand.

Do we know marketing behind? It's very difficult. So I get that. But I'm glad that new technology allows us to message get out because even our message wouldn't be able to get out, what would have gotten out before? Well, speaking of tech, this is why I'm so big on because the first half of my career, we didn't have the tools that we have now. And what I love to do, I just had a client recently, a friend of mine,

who I still talk to and help. And she's like, I'm going to go this, she's got a vacation coming up in about a month and a half or so. And she's like, I just want to come down like five pounds. Can you tell me what to do? And I said, well, you know the process with me. What's the first thing I want to want you to do? Like, I have no idea where you're at right now. I have no idea what you've been doing. Give me a week. Track everything.

Trim your steps. Track your food. Don't change anything. Do what you've been doing. I just want to see where you're at. Because from there, I'll give one to two small goals. I'll look at where her movement is and her steps are on a regular basis. I'll look at what she's eating and I'll see what's going on with her exercise and give

very subtle things. Then, I'm not going to give her subtle things and say, oh, this, that, expect all these things. I'll say, do that, report back. And then I want to hear, what do you feel? What do you notice? What's going on? So they can make that connection.

That is so important. Those awareness tools are very, yes. Maybe you use very, very powerful. Very, very important to make it otherwise. They will forever lean on me to always tell them, what to do. This way it's like, okay, she'll start to pick up on it to the third, the fourth, the fifth time

that I told her this every time that, hey, track your stuff, see where you're at, now let's make some subtle adjustments. And a lot of times, and this happens almost every time. When somebody, I tell someone to do that, just the tracking and becoming aware automatically makes a big difference because everybody thinks they're moving more than what they really are and everybody thinks they're eating better than what they really are. Including myself

who's been tracking and doing this for fucking 20 years. Isn't that funny? We tend to overestimate all that stuff. Oh, I'm doing pretty good. They're tracking like, oh, yes. Healthy stuff. Even myself, okay, even myself. Here's the thing, even when I quote unquote eating well, and I track it, there's always something I can tweak to actually improve it. And it's subtle. Whether it be increasing my fiber or increasing my protein or reducing my sugar or whatever, or better,

more healthy fats, like there's always something in my diet that isn't perfectly balanced always, that will only make my body run more optimally if I start to fuel it correctly. And I can just make that one look, and it's not a huge commitment. It's not way a bunch of food, measure a bunch of stuff, sacrifice everything, eat bars and shakes every day.

It's like, oh, look, you know, it looks like I'm grossly under eating fiber, that's gonna help, you know, that's gonna help big time if I said, oh shit, look at that, I'm getting like 70 to 90 grams of sugar every day, had no idea. And the cool thing is the more you do that with the right intentions, the easier it becomes to live that way without having that.

Right, to make this just because then you start to know, like, oh, I know that I haven't got my usual intake of berries. You can feel it. Yeah, you can feel like oh, I know why I feel this way. Why my digestion is this way? You know, I've done this now five times. Why my stool is off like it's so weird. I had a such a bad shit today. Whoa, maybe go backtrack the last 48 hours. God, how many people don't read? How many people don't realize bad shits are not normal right? So many people don't attribute it. Yeah, it's just like, oh, I had crazy explosive diet reading it this morning. Weird.

Dude, I used to think. I thought we just pooped inconsistently. Myself. That was just the worst. Yeah, I just thought you have good shit days, bad shit days. I mean, it's even people joke about it, right? Like, I'll add a great shit today. Yeah.

Wait, that one burned. Why? Why isn't it like that? Damn, every day. Like, it should be that way. Or it shouldn't be like. Or accepting that, you know, like here's one, especially from the muscle building community, that when you fart, it needs to be terribly putrid.

Yeah, you need to clear the whole, like, weight room. Yeah, well, that's just fart. It's fart's supposed to be, it's not supposed to be like, or it's normal that you're farting all day long or you take five shits because of it like that. And no, that's not normal either. No, no, no, I used to, I used to actually use it as a joke. You're normal, it's your farting all day long or you take five shits because of it like that. That's not normal either.

No, no, no, no. I used to actually use it as a case. Our body gives us so many signs, dude. We just don't you ignore them. Yeah. We completely ignore them. Now, that's the irony of it all, as you start to read these things

and track these things and pay attention to these things and simultaneously make the highest value when it comes to your nutrition, your health. Like that becomes the primary value of your, what drives you to eat, but you also have to have all that information behind it. You have to know what to do. When you do that, I hate saying this

because people take this the wrong way, but in it, because it is a process, but once you do that, you have the right information, you've been working with your body, you start to understand how to read things, and simultaneously, health is the ultimate priority. It gets easy. It actually becomes easy.

Think about the most ideal situation ever. If somebody is that open-minded willing to go through that process of like eating, paying attention, riding, tracking, simultaneously go through the process of like eating, paying attention, riding, tracking, simultaneously go through the process of understanding where their joint is, where it lies, where their abilities lie currently, and what patterns they have established as routine for them every single day. If they get to the point where they know a pretty solid amount of data

where they can assess, like here's where I'm currently, like this is my homeostasis, this is like literally where I am, think about going forward from there how easy that is. Like people want to bypass that whole process completely and just get to the grind and the work. Oh yeah, because, and here's the other wonderful thing I love about fitness.

Once you understand its power, you can have a lot of fun with it, you know, hey, I want to get a little leaner, you can get a little leaner. Hey, I want to get shredded, you can get shredded, I want to get really strong, I want to get really mobile. I need more energy for this. Oh my God, this is a stressful time in my life. I need to make my body more resilient to stress. Knowing how your body works and making health the priority,

you can move, the branches coming off of that are very good, they're very accurate. I've always said this to several people now in my DMs where they're either physique competitors or bodybuilders or bikini competitors. And they'll tell me, hey, I'm trying to make health my ultimate priority. I'm trying to do all these things, but also I like to compete and get shredded. And I know it's not healthy and this, that and the other.

And what I tell them is that that's perfectly fine, but make health your home base move from there versus people don't have a home base. So it's either shredded or terrible health. Shit in between. Wait, right, right. So once you make that your base, your home base and you know where to move from there, it becomes a lot of fun.

And there I say again, easy. It becomes easier. You don't have to work as hot like it's like tightening a screw in a very like laser focused direction versus versus having to do a bunch in competition with each other. You got to learn to enjoy the process, too, because it's never going to end. I mean, I bet you right now, if we went around the room,

okay? I guarantee there's things right now, because we're all on the six-week challenge right now. There's things that, I don't want to say learning, because learning because all of us I think have learned a lot of lessons already, but are becoming aware of where you're currently at right now. Like, not eating enough of this, doing too much of this, posture like this, pain like this, like a couple of things

right off the bat for me. Like right now, because I'm back to tracking again, it always reminds me of what a challenge it is for me to hit protein intake. It just, it flat out is. I'm a big guy, I need a lot of protein. And I like meat, but it's just, for me to hit the right amount for my size.

What do you want 200? That's where I wanna be. But that's four 50 grams servings. Yeah, which is pretty good. Yeah, you know, that's a that's a lot like yesterday I had three meals and one of them had 30 grams in it one had 40 grams and it one had 20 Yeah, not enough. That's yeah, think about that right there. That's way look. I mean, it's enough for health But not for right like I'm trying to make gains right now

I'm trying to we're trying to I'm trying to win a competition. So I'm fucking around trying to make me which a lot of people They're trying to make moves Most people trying to change their body composition. We do have a percentage, a sliver of people that listen to this show that just want optimal help. They want to feel good. We talk a lot to that, but there's a bigger bulk of people that want to change their bodies, and they want to move it. And there's always things every time I come back

to competing or challenging myself to move my body composition that I'm underperforming and I do some work. Let's talk about posture. So, I drove up from Santa Barbara, right? And I, right after that I did chest. And man, my shoulder was killing me. Oh, it's from sitting in the car all day.

Exactly. You were priming the wrong way. Right. I got it in real life. Two, five hour trips in the car you know and then sitting also I were down there the whole time pretty much so you know I've got a I know why my shoulder hurt when I want to go to chest and then I want to go do our zone one against the wall and oh I could feel it like I can tell I can barely get my

hands back against the wall with my head and my low back press flat like that's zone one just crushes this is from maps the zone one, just crush it. This is from Maps Prime. Right. So it just crushes me to just get into that position. It's always an area for me. And it's always an area that everything I do is working against that. And it's like instantly, and this is again, it's not a learning thing for me. I'm a way, I know this, but it right away when I feel that, because I've been here enough times, I know to go over, go do my zone test.

And then it's just to me, it's like, oh wow, holy crap, I'm like six inches away from the wall right now, where normally I can get all the way against the wall or close to the wall, which just reminds me of like how important that is to not only consistently do that, but then to also do that for sure, to combat it when I have a day like that where I'm sitting in a really poor position.

So these are just things that, to this day, I've been training for a very long time. I'm still being reminded and still becoming more hyper aware of these little nuances of how my body works and how I need to feed it nutritionally to see the change. Yeah, but setting a specific date for a particular goal, if you're in a good starting place, or if you're healthy, you know, you're working for things in the right way, what a great way to pick up on those nuances, to pick up on those small details,

because now you're focused on something, and it's not just this general thing, otherwise it becomes much more difficult. Like for me, I notice for myself, even if I make good food choices, eating out is not nearly as good as preparing my own food. Period, end of story, done. Now, part of that is because I do have a sensitive gut, so that kind of changes. But I also notice it in my body, even if I eat out and make the right choices, whatever oils they use or the quality of food,

I can tell, and the reason why I can tell now, is because I'm not eating out at all, or very little now, I'm eating out, where's before I would eat out, almost every day, I'd make good choices, but I'd still buy food out. Even at whole foods, it's funny, you go to whole foods which is supposed to be this healthy place.

They use vegetable oil and all that stuff. Everything is canola oil. Everything is canola oil and all these process vegetable oils, which are inflammatory. Now for a person like me who's had gut issues in the past, really bad ones, that inflammatory oil, even though it's not gluten or dairy or things that I typically have an intolerance to, they will affect me. And the way I'll feel it is inflammation. I'll feel it in my joints.

I'll feel how I move. So that's interesting because I've noticed too. I'm obviously I'm sticking to one thing with meat, but like you can you can definitely tell the difference in quality. Yes. And like with butcher box it's nice because it's all consistent and it's you know I know it's like high grade quality and it's something that I can lean on at my house and cook for myself. I put it on the grill. I know the process, I'm not adding anything to it that, like you said, oils or anything, any sort of spice or anything else might have some gluten or anything else involved with it.

But going out to eat was like, there'd just be that little bit of flavor they'd add or maybe they added some kind of like saline solution to the meat or something. Maybe it's a low grade meat. Like I it was very like obviously like especially with my digestive process with that too. And then the next morning I would have like diarrhea sometimes when I'd eat out. Well, I share this with you guys when I was competing way back when we were doing the show. Like, I remember I did one show where, I mean, I followed my macros to a T, both shows, the only difference was one show I let myself have the processed foods. I let myself have bars and shakes,

and I had a lot of them. Macros is the same, everything's the same. Everything's the same. Apparently. Right, right, exactly. And then the other way was all whole natural foods that I weighed, measured myself. And even though both shows, I came and shredded, I looked good, I got on stage, there was a distinct difference that I could

tell. My body just looked different, you know, and if, you know, it looked softer, it looked like I was holding more water, I was probably inflamed a little bit, you know, I, whatever it was, it was not exactly the same, it was not equal, I could tell you that right now. And so it's, what's cool is when you do things like that, where you, like you said, how are you set a challenge or a competition where you're actually tracking or measuring or you're trying to make progress consistently,

you become hyper aware of all these little things. And the leaner you get, that's one of the main benefits of getting really lean. And I recommend anybody who's at a good place with their health and fitness and nutrition. I recommend those people in that space, one time try and get yourself to a nice, really lean body, that percentage.

How about this? Just the leanest you've ever been. Where you have to be shredded. Right, right, right. Maybe you've never seen below 10% and 9% is not. Just because your body is very sensitive to things. And I will guarantee you, guarantee you, you will feel things you've never felt before.

Your body is extremely sensitive and what it takes to get that lean, it's crazy. I remember that very, very vividly as I got lower and lower and lower how ultra sensitive I became to every little thing that put into my body. I mean, I remember having a sip of coffee and feeling it go through my body. Like seeing it go through my, like literally seeing my veins all sudden start to pop out and see feeling it,

it's a trip when you're that, that lean, you have like no body. Yeah, you become really, but you have to be a healthy person and have a good grasp of this. Right, right. But when you do, if you're smart, you can really pay attention.

You know what was mind blowing for me? And this was Jessica pointed this out to me a long time ago, and I pointed this out to you just when we were eating out. When you go to a restaurant and you order food and they give you that little plastic cup of butter, it's never real butter, ever. I did not know that.

So we were eating out, and I was eating, I don that so we were eating out and I was eating I don't remember We were eating vegetable fish market or something and we got fish and vegetables and whatever and I say hey Can I have a side of butter to put on my vegetables? And so she brings it out and puts it in front of me and Jessica goes wait Hold on. She goes is this real butter and the lady goes oh Hold on and then she goes in the back, comes back with real butter, which is harder and more solid. This was vegetable oil margarine. Fluffy and kind of.

It's margarine. Now it tastes like butter because they flavor it. But you wanna talk about something that's absolutely t- like nobody disagrees that that's bad for your body. Even traditional like FDA, whatever, will say, you know, those trans fats are bad for you. They're terrible. And when you eat them, you may be eating everything right,

put in, not realize that that's what they're using to give your food flavor. And then be like, why do I feel like shit? I didn't eat the food that I'm intolerant to ate, mostly healthy, because you had a bunch of vegetable, processed vegetable. And remember, I told you that the same thing when they brought it to you.

Oh yeah. Yeah, no, it was a substantial difference, because you can see how they like whip it and it's so special. Remember I told you that the same thing when they brought it to you. Oh yeah. Yeah, no, it was a substantial difference because you could see how they like whip it and it's all fluffy and it's like, they got it down to where it looks really appetizing appealing and like it, you know, but it's not even real, dude. When I was a kid, that's what I used. Yeah. I used that country crock. Remember that?

I do. In the brown tub. That was our family, the big old tub. They used to sit on the dinner table every night with all of our bread and stuff that we see. Yeah, and just put it all up over there. Wonder bread. Yeah, and just terrible.

That was marketed as way healthier than butter forever. Like, I can't believe it's not butter thing. That was going on for a couple of years. What are you guys becoming aware of right now? Like, currently, because we're all in what week, we're into week two right now, right? Yeah. We're into week two right now doing this whole thing.

Are there things that you're becoming hyper aware of that you maybe weren't doing before, that you noticed that you're changing? So what I've done so far is I've definitely brought, generally brought my calories down, but I've also, I don't want to lose too fast, because I've dropped three, about three pounds, which is a little bit more than I wanted to,

although I know maybe one of those is water, so I'm okay with it. So what I did was, I'm incorporating fasting into my regime, what I'm doing is on Tuesdays and Thursdays when I don't have heavy workouts, I'll fast until about two or three p.m. and those will be my lower calorie days and the rest of the days are higher.

But I think there were two low calorie because I had initially dropped about four pounds. So and my appetite was ravenous and I was like, okay, I need to slow this down because I have five more weeks. What I don't want to do is, you know, head into the last week where I'm just depleted and losing muscle a lot of stuff. So I've bumped them up a little bit. But the biggest thing I noticed is just eating out, even if I make the right food choices It's not the same. So I'm just really not eating out that much, which is great for my pocketbook, too

Yeah, cuz I tell you what I added up how much money I spend eating out. Oh, especially the way we eat I could buy a double double meat and I could buy a nice car right now for that for that for that month It's a big expense of getting buying all Binary stakes, let me tell you. Yeah. But at the same time, like what I've noticed really is just like my activity levels have dramatically increased and my joint pain is pretty much non-existent. Really? Yeah.

So even when I'm doing like any dead left thing or like back squats or anything like that, like I don't feel, sometimes I'll get a little twinge in my knee or I'll get a little bit of a shoulder pain. You know, when I'm lifting heavy, I just don't feel that right. I feel like really supercharged and fluid in my joints. So I don't even really spend a whole lot of time with mobility right now.

I don't have to. Yeah, it's weird. I feel somewhat athletic with my movements. I'm a lot, I think it's just that the weight loss element of it is definitely played a factor in that. I think my body does well at a lighter weight as far as I'm concerned. You said you were seven pounds down. Seven pounds down.

You're seven, I'm down about three. Adam, you said you stayed the same? Well, I'm down now. So the last time you asked me that, I was the same. So which was just a few days ago, but I just recently, dry went three days in a row of low calorie. And how much have you gone down?

I dropped five pounds right away. Holy cow, what's water? Yeah, most of it's water. I think you were getting leaner anyway. I was. You were looking different. And I won't and I won't stay down here. Today, today will be the plan is to train today and then do a nice refeed. And then I'll be back up on my calories again. But like every like. So I think I originally told everybody I was going to do a, um, a two week cut, a two week bulk, a two week cut. And what

it's kind of played out to me. And then I talked about that more than likely calling audible, and I for sure have called it audible. And that's just because, and I won't, like you brought up fasting, like I won't be doing any fasting. And mainly for me, like, I see that my metabolism still is nowhere near

where it was before, and I'm trying to get it there, you know, so I'm not interested in going too low of calorie. I'm not interested. I don't want those men, you don't want it to adapt down. Yeah, I don't want it to adapt any lower than what it is. I can tell it's not very responsive. In the past, like, what if I were to do like I just did where I did like these back-to-back low days of calories,

man, I would just see myself really lean out. And my body's just not very, as we're... Soon. Yeah, it's just not as, exactly. In a perfect world, I mean, I was just getting back to feeling good. I should be for the next six months, really kind of in the building phase, maybe not six, maybe three months, whatever, you know, for, but for a while, I should be in this more of a building phase, which I've been doing because we're trying to get lean and build. That's where I'm kind of in

this gray area of, you know, changing my body composition for me. I hope when I get this test, I care even less about like exactly how much body fat I have. I hope I put some muscle on. So if I can lose a few pounds of fat and then also put some muscle on along the way, that's a big win for me versus just trying to get shredded and lean, but lose body fat because I know my body.

If I do that, it's inevitable, I'll sacrifice some muscle and order just to do that. Sure. One thing, as far as the eating schedule for me goes that I've realized is that I'm actually trying to apply more high calorie focused days like almost like the inverse of like the fasting mentality. So what I where I am is already low calorie like I can't like it's it's a pretty low. So try to do days of high. So I'm trying to do days of high calorie that I'm intermittently and interjecting throughout

the week. So maybe two a week where I'm just like really focused on like loading as much as possible. And so that's that's been something new that I've done that I've felt like it's good, because it'll carry me into the next day and I feel this like a lift of energy. That's smart. Did I tell you guys what I'm doing this weekend? So I'm running a little bit, little experiment.

And I'm going to document it and share it on social media on my Instagram page. This is something that I've wanted to do for a long time, but I've never taken the time out aside to do. And now that I have a home gym in my garage, and this weekend, I don't have the kids, so it's just gonna be Jessica and I, and we have nothing else scheduled on Saturday,

and so I thought, this is the perfect time. So what I'm gonna do is, and this is an perfect time. So what I'm going to do is, and this is an experiment on, I want to see how my central nervous system responds and reacts to a full day of, oh, the training. You're a full day of resistance. Right. Seven, you say you're going to bring it up in like seven workouts. So what I'm going to is I'm gonna pick three exercises. And so with Jessica, my three exercises, and I've been weighing it out, like what movements should I do?

Cause I only wanna do three because, and you'll know why in a second, I don't wanna pick anymore. So I only had to pick three, and I wanted them to be the same throughout the whole day. I don't wanna do three different exercises each time, because the idea of this is, and what I think is gonna happen is Throughout the day my CNS or my body is gonna actually feel stronger

Because I'm getting better at the movement as I'm doing the movement my intensity is gonna be Modern I'm not trying to do high intensity. How many sets you gonna do? So I'm gonna pick three exercises three sets each and I'm going to pick three exercises, three sets each, and I'm going to do this workout every other hour starting at 7 a.m. So I'm going to go 7 a.m., 9 a.m., 11 a.m., go all the way down to 7 p.m. So I'm going to be doing, yeah, we total sets that is. 6, so 6 workouts. It's I think 6 workouts times 9 that's 54 sets. Actually, no 7 workouts. We're gonna do another one. So seven workouts. So 21 sets per exercise for the whole day. Now the intensity is gonna be moderate. Oh, how is that?

Oh yeah, per exercise. Yeah, per exercise. So it's actually gonna be 63. So it's gonna be picking three exercises. The ones I'm picking are bench press, barbell squat and barbell row. I was gonna do deadlift, but I thought deadlifting and squatting that much.

Very taxic. Yeah, I'm gonna fuck myself up, so I'm doing, that's good, that's a good call. Yeah, so I'm going bench, squat, barbell row. I'm picking a weight that I can normally do maybe like eight or 10 reps with, and I'm only doing five. So it's still heavy, it's still gonna feel

kind of challenging, but it's not, I'm not challenging myself, but I'm doing it throughout the entire day, every other hour. In between, you're gonna do the Saturday. The Saturday. When you're gonna start with time, 7 a.m. I kinda wanna do this.

In between the workouts, I'm gonna feed myself a little bit, so I'm gonna have small meals of proteins, carbohydrates, and some fats, and the reason why I'm doing that, obviously, I'm gonna be doing so much exercise about to have to fuel myself. I'm doing that obviously is I'm gonna be doing so much exercise But I have to fuel myself I'm also in between the workouts and this I'm taking out of a of a out of the Paul check book

In between I'm going to be writing For mind pump. So this is why I said I'm gonna Some guides. Yeah, it isn't be a crazy day right? Yeah, and in left brain action Yeah, Paul check says you know, he's always saying paint or right in between your sets of exercise because you're, you know, you're switching the focus from this kind of logical, forward thinking type of thing when you're working out aggressive to this calm, parasympathetic, creative mind.

And so I thought that's fascinating. And now here's the other reason why I'm doing it. And this is my theory. My theory is, well, first off, my big, the big challenges we're doing this workout are, can I keep my body from just breaking down and overdoing it? Because that's a lot. It's a, by the fourth or fifth, you know, time doing it. What is your eating look like with this?

It's going to be small. So I'm going to have like, well, white rice, chicken, or some red meat. I'll throw in some fat in there, maybe some fruit. So just light, but to fuel my body. And I'm also going to map it there, maybe some fruit, so just light, but to fuel my body. And I'm also gonna map it out so the calories all, and then at the end of the day, I'm gonna have a big meal. But I also want to do the writing and creative stuff in between because I'm gonna go from sympathetic, and I also wanna do parasympathetic in between.

I don't want, I don't wanna be so amped all day long that it'll mess me up, but it'll be too much. Well, you know that, yeah, that's like what would would basically separates a lot of professional Level athletes versus like amateur level athletes is how quickly can get into par sympathetic. Yeah, so quickly you can recover Yep, I'm aware so so that's gonna be that caffeine how I'll use in the beginning of the day And I'm not doing any more caffeine throughout the whole day because I don't want to hammer myself. Are you going to, so take the three movements, you're only doing five reps, are you going to circuit the three or are you going to give yourself adequate reps?

No, straight sets, straight sets. Same weight. So here's the challenge is going to be picking the right weight. Am I going to pick the right weight at the beginning of this? So I'm really trying to pick the perfect way. And the goal is a weight that's challenging enough to where I feel like I have to focus, but not so hard to where I'm like, like, don't go in through a hard work. Why don't you give yourself a more, more flexibility on your rep range, like shoot for a 5 to 8

rep range and as long as you fall in there. I have a feeling that the higher rep ranges are gonna burn me out and that the five, I was gonna do two or three, and then I thought, no, let's go a little higher, but if I go too high, because you know high reps can really burn you out if you just keep doing, it's over and over again. So I'm doing five, I wanna stick with five,

I wanna pick a weight that I can do for five. Here's what I think's gonna happen. I feel like the first couple workouts are gonna feel the same by the third and fourth one. I think I'm gonna feel stronger. I think I'm actually gonna happen. I feel like the first couple workouts are gonna feel the same. By the third and fourth one, I think I'm gonna feel stronger. I think I'm actually gonna feel like I'm driving and getting into the weight and feeling good.

By the fifth, sixth, and seventh, I feel like I'm gonna start to fade and start to kinda hurt a little bit. End of the day, we're gonna do yoga, stretching, mobility type work, have a big meal. Are you doing that home, me You're gonna do it here. At home. Yeah, it's in my garage,

because I have food there and everything. I would love to have one of the boys go over in video. I know you're gonna document on your Instagram, but that's a really cool idea. Yeah, we're just gonna talk and see, you know, let people know what's going on. I just really like that idea. And I'll give every, and then Sunday,

because the day after that, I don't know how my body's gonna feel. I could be sore as shit and feel terrible. I could be like, whoa, this feels great. Have no idea. So Sunday, what the day after that, I don't know how my body's gonna feel. I could be sore as shit and feel terrible. I could be like, whoa, this feels great. I have no idea. So Sunday, what we planned, you're gonna be sore shit. I feel like I will be. I never forget, I had this,

I'll never forget this workout. It was with my best friend and another buddy. And it's like, it's so weird. It's the only time this has ever happened. And we were just, I don't know why this happened, but we were in the gym for like four hours. And, you know, because most of it was talking and bullshitting, but we were lifting together.

We're all lifting together, and we do a set, and then we bullshit for a while, then we do another set and bullshit for a while, and it literally stretched out over four hours. And I remember at that time, I was really serious about my lifting. And so when we did get in and lift, I was definitely pushing myself a little bit weightwise.

And so, because I wanted a good workout, but I remember leaving the gym and not feeling like I got a great workout. I didn't have this massive pump. I didn't feel like it looked like crazy. And I was a little pissed off, but I was sore as fuck the next day. It just surprised the shit out of me

because I never felt like I worked that hard. That's what I think is gonna happen. So I think that is gonna happen to you too. That's what I think is gonna happen. So the day after we may go to refuge and do sauna, steam, cold, and just all plan out. Relax, a little jealous right now. This is something I've been planning for a long time

and wanna do, because I have a theory. And my theory is that if you do something like this and you do it right, that you should see very rapid strength in muscle gains. It's one of my theories, one of my, because it's like taking trigger sessions to the extreme where that concept, yeah, yeah, no, I agree. So I feel like it may do that.

So today I'm taking off, I'm not lifting today, I'm just doing regular trigger sessions. I supposed to do heavy workouts today, but I'm not to prepare for tomorrow. So I don't know, man, we'll see what happens, you know? I'm excited for you. Yeah, so. But I'm basically gonna be home all the day.

Well, I know that to me is probably what, because I'm thinking about it right now, like part of me is like, fuck, can I do this tomorrow? It's a commitment. Yeah, my whole day is ruined. I mean, you're not doing anything else that day, bro. I mean, if you're really gonna schedule, because just the training part, you can just carve out that 30 to 45 minutes right there. So that's that first hour. And then you have an hour break,

and then you're going to go again, well, in that hour break, you're talking about working and eating. Mm-hmm. So you're going to be eating for a little bit. So probably the last half hour that we're working out is getting ready to eat. You eat, and then you're going to be reading, and then, I mean, writing. Yep.. And then you're gonna be right back. I mean, you are gonna be all day long. I feel like what's gonna happen is the first workout. I'm gonna have to warm up, stretch whatever. I feel like after that, I'll just be able to jump in.

Now, I have, I think you'll take long on the thing. I do have a suggestion. I'm gonna do it a fuck you want, but I do have a suggestion that I think that you should do instead of dedicating every hour in between to writing is maybe every other one of those you actually go for a stroll otherwise you're actually not going to move very much. Think about that. You're going to because the lifting will you'll be a little bit for the lifting.

You might not recover. Yeah. You might it might be. We'll see. That's a very good point. And yes, the point also that I'll speed up the digestive. So what I would suggest if I was doing, if I was to do the same thing as you are.

Well, I plan on writing a guide, and I think I'll be able to do that within, if I'm focused or whatever, I definitely think I'm gonna be focused, because there's nothing like movement to make my mind. I think I'll probably be able to, I'll be done with it, not even halfway through. And then, but I think what you're saying is very valid.

I didn't think of that. Right, I think I think a sweet setup for that, and I'm totally taking your idea and fucking take you back, you're saying is very valid. I didn't think of that. Right, I think a sweet setup for that. I know I'm totally taking your idea and fucking taking your backing off of it, but I think that like doing what you're doing, I would after I do the sets, I would eat, and then I go for a 20 minute stroll, just walk, to help speed the digestive process up.

That's only gonna help get the nutrients where it needs to go and then get you ready for the next lift within an hour and a half, which is perfect because that's about how long it's going to take for that food digest. So you're only going to speed that process up for you. So I think it'll help digestion. I think it'll promote better movement because you're actually moving, getting blood flow circulation and then calories burn. That's the only thing different. Other than that, it'll be interesting. I'm excited though. This is cool. Yeah, we'll see what

happens. What a cool idea. Yeah, we'll see what happens. When did you could when you think of that I've told you guys this a long time ago Like maybe maybe two years ago. I remember even talking about yeah, yeah I know yeah, I know we did kind of mention that you mentioned this before I really it made you decide you can do this right well Evolved it evolved from so I read a bunch of old you know I've always reading old stuff on when it comes to fitness and bodybuilding and muscle building all that stuff. And there's this old technique that lifters used to do back in the day. That wasn't super popular, but it was popular enough to where I was written about, where you go in the gym and every hour you go in the gym and work your arms and you'd work them, get a good pump and then take a break and then the next hour or two hours later do it again,

you do this all day long, and guys would say that they'd add a half an inch to their arms in a single day. And I've read articles on this, and I remember reading them as a kid and thinking they were crazy, and that's stupid, and maybe they're just so swollen and flaying

that that's what's happening. Then I started doing research online, and guys were saying like, no, man, I actually did this and gained like a quarter inch of my arms, or, and then I understood how trigger sessions work and how the sensor nervous system works. And I thought, this would be fascinating.

I wonder if I could kind of apply this to myself in a calculated way. And so I just came up with this idea. And I don't know how this is gonna work. I may halfway through this realize that this is destroying my body and I have to completely scale back to maybe one set of each extras. I have no idea what this is destroying my body and have to completely scale back to maybe, you know, one set of each extras. I have no idea what this is going to be like, but this is, I'm going into it with that idea,

but I'll still listen to my body. I'm not going to force myself through it. I'm an exciting experience. I'm excited because I've never done anything to that extreme and the closest experiences that I've had, I've seen positive things too. The time that I told you about with my buddies that time, and then another time I had a whole week where I was in the middle of like, I wasn't competing, this was before competing days, but I was in the middle of like this structure that I'm gonna get shredded plan,

and I was getting lean, and I took a vacation, and for the first time ever in my 20s that I had taken a week off and not left, it was like, it was all about fitness. And so I would go to the gym, I'd lift, I'd come back home, I'd eat, rest a little bit, go back, I'd do that like three times a day, every single day for the entire week.

I saw some of the most gains I'd ever seen, and I felt amazing, because what I was literally just thinking like what would be optimal right now? Okay, I'm gonna go stretch for a little bit now. I had all the time in the world to go in and out of the gym, nothing to do for an entire week. And I was, but I was only in it like two or three times every day, but still, that was more than I'd ever done before.

And I was feeding properly still and doing a lot of other things besides, it wasn't just like, hammering, because that's the mistake I think some people think is, okay, well, let's look at the total volume we're doing. And let's do this, you know. Dude, I've never in my life done 21 sets of squats, you know, I mean, in a day or 21 sets of rows or benches, you know, or 63 total sets in a workout like, I can't wait to get

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