Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 831: Transgender Athletes & CrossFit, How to Stop Binging & Obsessing About Food, the Importance of Oral Health & MORE

Episode Date: August 8, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump/, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about a good approach for fat loss after a reverse diet, how to create a better relationship with food and stop binging or constantly thinking about food, oral health and it’s connection to overall health and if it is necessary to follow a “non-compete” contract when you quit one place to be a trainer at another. What is the guy’s one bad trait? (5:00) Sal’s “All Day” Training Experiment results revealed. How did he feel? What did he eat? Overall impact on his body the next day? (7:44) Take pride in ownership of the things you build with your own hands. Justin’s Tree House project for his kids and how much fun he is having working with them. (22:32) Adam the Builder. Poll: Long time listeners, do you believe Adam can do things around the house himself or pay for someone to do it? (25:48) Has gender neutrality finally gone too far? Could we potentially see the decline of the popularity of CrossFit? CrossFit to Allow Transgender Athletes to Compete According To Identity in 2019. (27:40) Do you call bullshit? The guy’s discuss Emily Abbott’s interview following her ban from CrossFit. (38:40) Why it’s better to own your body and should be responsible for what you may or may not do to it. (46:00) How the goal is still to always to eat whole foods. Has Adam  implemented protein shakes into his diet, on consistent basis, since starting the challenge? (51:35) The benefits of consuming the egg yolk only and not the egg white. (54:13) #Quah question #1 – What is a good approach for fat loss after a reverse diet? (56:39) #Quah question #2 - How do you create a better relationship with food and stop binging or constantly thinking about food? (1:11:09) #Quah question #3 – Can you talk about oral health and its connection to overall health? 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I may have uncovered the holy grail of games. Or he may have done something stupid, yet the listen the episode to find out. Yeah, what are those two? All day training. We talk about Justin's tree house. It's a new TV show for children. He's actually building a tree house in the backyard.

I want a cool theme song. Yeah, he's winning the year award, I need to start doing better. Then we talk about the, there's a lot of controversy over this weekend. CrossFit is letting transgender athletes compete in the gender that they identify with. Wow.

This is a big deal. CrossFit with the CrossFit News, man, the last couple weeks. Yeah, let's, let's, we give our opinions on that. Sure, we'll rub some people the wrong way. But we'll see what happens there. Then we talk about Adam's protein supplementation regime. He does have a regime.

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All of you are winners in the name I just read and your shirt size and address to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I've told you guys that I've been maintaining, like, wait, right, I really am. So, and, you know, I always tell people, like, this is the mind-fuck place to be. You know, I was like, we're on this challenge, we're on this, you don't see the scale change?

Yeah, it is. It's a mind-fuck. And I'm right there. And so, I had this, you know, I was, oh, man, should I just cut it hard for a few days or a wee crew with that, like wanting to see some good movement on the scale and in the mirror like a big difference. And it's crazy how long I've been doing this for

and how many times I've got shredded and like how many times I have to do the self talk. And luckily yesterday I was lifting and I haven't lifted with my belt in a little while. And you go down another, yeah, there was a significant difference in my belt. And I was like, oh, I have changed today. Yeah, I know.

Oh, thank God. You know what I say? You don't do tape measurements when you monitor it's all pictures? Yeah, I just look. And you know, like I, just to tape measure things, well, I mean, if I hadn't set up in my bathroom,

maybe I'll do that. I know Doug was saying that he did that. I'm totally not against that. I think that's a great tool to do that. Yeah, I had kind of a moment with that because I was getting a little frustrated with my strength gains, you know, like just cutting down and like losing weight and all that. And like I started doing body weight exercises downstairs with my kids.

And I was starting to do stuff with the rings again that I couldn't do, you know, for a long time because like just my joints hurt and my elbows and my shoulders hurt, not because you were fat because I was fat. For sure, that's 100% the reason. But yeah, now I was like going through all the old stuff that I used to do, like, and it was fucking, oh my god, I felt great.

You feel good. You know, I was starting to back off the fat jokes, but I'm gonna bring it back up because I have so many fucking bald DMs now, dude. I'm literally, yeah, you're welcome. My DMs are already hard to keep up with. Like, and I apologize for those that I finally got back to that I think were sitting in my,

some of them were sitting there for at least five, six days. People giving you advice on having, no, no, no, they were both. Actually, a lot of people were interested in what it was. What was the, what was the brand or what was that thing or what were you using? And so I had an extra probably 50 DMs this last week of just straight about balding instead of walking infomercial.

It's all right, we all have one bad trait. I mean, if we combine each other, we'd be terrible, right? Fat bald and whatever. You know, anyway, dude this weekend, I would say. We can just get, We did get yours there. You're going. I'm real quick to point out.

I knew it. Yeah. Fat ball that you know, smart makes something up. You know, it's pretty tough. I glossed over. Yeah. Fat ball in the hands of you. Too bad.

Did you do this weekend I did my my training experiment. Tell us please. I was so excited to hear this. So for the listeners who didn't listen to the last episode, I kind of broke down what I was doing. So I did this with Jessica, and we have a garage gym,

so it works out well for us. But what we did is we, every hour starting at, now I was gonna start at 7 a.m., but we ended up starting a little later. I started at 9 a.m. Because I wanted to go into this with really good sleep and I wanted to control

all the factors. So that really the only thing that I could, I could, you know, I guess judge was the workout itself. I don't want to go into it, not sleeping that well. I'm gonna die it. Exactly. I wanted to test it out and, you know, so it was perfect. So we started at 9 a.m. so I could sleep,

you know, in and have a nice nights at night rest. So 9 a.m. 11 a.m. Basically every other hour I did the same workout and what I did was as I picked three exercises and I did five reps of three sets of every exercise and the weight the weight that I picked was I guess moderate intensity. Yeah, well tell us what exercises and what weight you pick so that I picked was, I guess moderate intensity. Yeah, well tell us what exercises and what weight you picked. So what I did was I tried, because I figured that would be the hardest part

would be picking the weight, because you wanted to be easy enough to be able to do this all day, but you don't want it to be too easy, and you don't want it to be too hard, because I wanted to be able to maintain the same, because I want to walk the next day. Yeah, but well, not only that,

but my idea behind this was that I was be training my central nervous system the entire time. It's the same movement, same way each time and do observe what the effects were. So I did, I picked squats, bench press, and barbell rows. I didn't do deadlifts because I didn't want a squat and deadlift and in the same day all day. And because deadlifts in my experience, and you know, maybe you guys feel the same way,

it's one of the most difficult exercises to do a shit ton of volume and frequency. It tends to break your body down more than any other exercise. So I did squats, barbell row, and bench press. And the weights that I picked was I did 2.25 for squats. So I tried to pick a weight that I thought would be challenging to do, you know, 13, 14 reps for each exercise. And I would pick like, you know, something to do five with, right? So I did barbell squats, 225.

I did 185 for bench press. And I did 185 for barbell row. Yeah. What are you, how much are you wrapping all three of those? I'm only doing five reps, three sets. Okay. Now in hindsight, I hindsight, I should have gone heavier with my bench and definitely with my row, but that's okay, it was the first time squat,

I think was about right. So what I thought would happen was that I would go into the day, do my first workout, I would feel tight, because it's in the morning, I'd have to warm up, whatever, but that I would notice strength gains throughout the day, especially after two or three workouts, because the CNS is like fucking prying. Right. Right or no?

And then towards the end of the day, I thought I would get fatigued in whatever. Exactly what happened. It was so weird. I have the notes that I wrote for the workout, you know, that I wrote down. But so I started, so I'll tell you kind of the first thing. So first thing I did was I ate four egg yolks, some bacon and some gluten-free cereal. So the goal was, I won some cholesterol in my blood, I won a little bit of protein and I won some carbohydrates.

And the other part of this was I wanted to fuel my body the entire time because I figured I may be really sending a loud, a ballic signal And I want to maximize it and cholesterol is Is used quite a bit to repair and rebuild so throughout the day, you know, that's kind of the theme was cholesterol some carbs and some protein now did you eat the same meal throughout the day? No, I changed it so the first workout I wrote down I felt tight and I put I picked the weights I felt will be challenging enough then I did workout to workout to mobility much better

felt stronger on all lifts workout three felt even stronger. It's a fucking trip By the time I got to work out three I get under the bar and I just And it felt like I'd taken No joke 15 20 pounds off the bar. It was really trippy by the third workout. Fourth workout, I still felt pretty strong, but I could tell I was starting to get a little bit tight. I wasn't as good as a third workout. That's when I had some chicken, some broccoli,

I had some cherries. Then I threw in some egg yolks with a protein shake, and then Jessica and I, you know, we had in between these sessions we were doing work, like business type work. And I was writing. And one thing that I noticed is it really sparked incredible creativity and focus.

I was eight because I was active. And then I'd sit down and write. It was like taking breaks. And then when I come back, I was really sharp. So this is another strategy is, you know, if you ever have a day of just working and maybe a good time to combine the two because you get a lot done So I wrote a 2500 word Guide that will end up you know putting together and it'll be available for free soon

But it was a really good guide and I wrote it like faster and more I guess more but it was a really good guide and I wrote it like faster and more, I guess more, what's the word, focus than I, than I, yeah, it was really, really good. So that was interesting. Then we did a hike in between workout four and workout five. That might have been a mistake. Might have been a mistake to do the hike because we did a 45 minute hike.

It was hot. I'd been working out all day. I started to feel my joints start to get a little inflamed. And my left knee started bothering me a little bit. And now this is before I did this workout, my left knee got a little bit inflamed and it has to do with my ankle, because my left ankle. Did you go like hike a place?

I agree, guys, go up. Oh yeah. You're supposed to just take a stroll. Well, and that's all I wanted you to do. We know I was feeling so good. After the third workout, you know what I mean? That's cool. And that's, hey, this, you know what I mean? That's cool. And that's, hey, this is a learning lesson, right?

That's typical. So we did the hike, we came back, then I did, then we did the fifth workout, Jessica chose dead lifts, which I thought might not be the best exercise and I was right. She started to feel her back a little tweak, so she couldn't do any more after, she did like one or two sets and she's like,

I'm done, I'm not gonna do the third one. I was doing my workout and I was feeling Steph like I started feeling Steph Then I laid down to take a nap took a nap woke up start feeling really stiff did some stretches and decided to stop at five So five was for me for that day Only did five I had planned about six or seven, but I stopped at five Which is a total of, let's see, five times three. So it's 15 sets of every exercise throughout the day, same way.

And you did three. So you did, that's 45 sets. Total, total. And I've never done 15 sets of squats in one day. I've never done that before. I've just squats, right? Or just rows or just, so I thought to myself, like this is gonna be interesting to see what happened.

Now, here's the other part that's weird. Throughout the day, I started feeling like more pumped. Like my muscles were feeling kind of fuller and bigger. And I thought, you know, it might, maybe I'm imagining things, let's see what happens tomorrow. Wake up the next day for sure, dude. I go put on my sweats. They feel a little tighter.

My legs are rubbing the other a little bit. my sweats, they feel a little tighter, my legs are rubbing the other little bit, I grew, I grew a little bit of muscle, I don't think it's inflammation because my soreness is remarkably lower than I thought. That's the other shocking thing that I was wrong on. I thought I'd be hammered the next day. But no, I wasn't hammered at all. Now here's the crazy thing.

Imagine I had done the same workout, but all together. Imagine I did 15 sets of squats, 15 bench and 15 sets of rows, all in two or three hours. That's a damage. I would have been fucked up. But because I spread it out the way I did, it's a way of increasing your volume right there without like in one workout and spreading it out

so you can actually recover and do it again. Yes, because I thought this might be like a once a month thing but you could potentially maybe do this once a week. You know what, I'm maybe, you're right, that's something I'm gonna start with. I mean, it's a lot of commitment, right? Like it's a good whole day around that. Yeah, that's tough for most people.

After you did it, I thought this would be cool to do this and start doing this at least once a month, commit myself to doing something similar. I really like it. The only thing I think I would do different is I would walk. You know, I like to stroll. Yeah, like a real light stroll after. Maybe we should do that as part of our practice one of the days.

You know what I mean? We podcast, then we go workout, then we do business work, then we work out, we do like a whole day like that. That would be cool to do, right? Scheduled a whole day to for us to do that. Yeah, I'm telling you guys, it is a total, it is an absolute trip on how you feel, and I thought I'd be slammed,

and here's the thing, when you're trying to build muscle, what are you always negotiating? What are you always balancing? Damage with the muscle building signal. It's always a relationship. Yeah, and it's just something you have to contend with. Yeah. And if there was no look, if we could have, you know, infinite levels of damage and recovery,

then we would just work out and beat the shit of ourselves all day and we would have great results. But you always have to balance it too. That's where we're in a ball of steroids, command. Exactly. And this would have no way in hell would I have been able to do that, all that work in one full workout and felt as good as I did. You know, and good as I feel today.

Today, I go, so not, you know yesterday took off, so yesterday I didn't work out at all, and we just went to the beach and relaxed and laid out all day long. I figured the sun would be good for recovery. Did you have a refuge? No, we actually just went to Capitola and just laid out.

You have a Myriad, you didn't hit me up. No, no, we want to be alone. I got a little too much sun though, dude. I got a little believer in not, a little burn. No sunscreen, bro, four or five hours in the sun. Look at that, Justin. That's what you look like after 10 minutes. I don't know, yeah.

Yeah, I get really red, though. I'm just lobstered out. But yeah, it's pretty trippy, and I think this may be an effective way to dramatically increase volume and frequency and signal while modifying or mitigating damage is just doing this, you know, spreading out the whole day. So, I don't know, man, it's interesting. Yeah, it is interesting.

You know what, did you happen to total up? Because you would be great to see like the total volume. Because another thing you did also do that you have to take into consideration is you significantly lowered the weight from what you would do five reps normal. Because if you were lifting like a normal workout, I know you would do more than 225 for five squats.

Like that's just, I know you can do more than that. Same thing probably with bench and then with row. So that's, so figuring out what the total volume is. See what that looks like. and see what that looks like. And see what that looks like in. Now I think, now here's the other thing. If I did 15 sets straight of all those exercises with that weight for five reps,

I think I would have started failing at the end. Even though it's light, imagine doing 15 sets of squats, five reps, 225, 15 sets of whatever, right? It would have been challenging. No, no, that's extremely challenging. One of the things I used to always do when I get back to training,

first late day was literally 10 sets of 10 of 135 of squats. And that's more brutal than you think it is. Like, if you haven't lifted it in a while, like it would just be me being off for a few weeks or a month, and then going back to legs, like doing 135, 10 for 10, you know, 10 sets of 10 is two. So there's two variations of this that I'm going to do next.

One variation is I'm going to do singles. So I'm going to pick a heavy weight that I can do for moderate intensity for a single, where I can, you know, I'm going to feel it, but not, it's not my max. So that's the next thing I'm going to do. I'm going to do this all day long with singles. My opinion is my theory is that I'll be able to do more workouts that way because it's just less wraps, right? Then the second variation is I'm gonna pick auxiliary bodybuilding, like pumping type movements

and then do the same thing and then keep the reps in the 12 rep range. So go and do like flies for chest and really get a good pump and pick like maybe four exercises and do a higher volume body building type thing. Yeah, I wonder if you did that. Like the singles, if you would get closer to your PR and then even exceed your PR, just because of being so consistently driving that signal and then towards the middle of the day,

you did a few workouts in like, I bet you could lift a substantial amount. I think, I'm telling you, by the third or fourth workout, it's the weirdest feeling. I, you know, remember, it's every other hour, so I did the workout, and it only took me 25 to 30 minutes to do the workout,

just enough time to change the bar, or whatever. So, you know, I do that. Then I'd have an hour and a half of nothing, so I'm just sitting there writing. You would think that I'd have to get under the bar, kind of warm up, like I did the first time I did it, what, because I always prime and I said, no, man, get under the bar, boom.

And it was like, whoa, this is weird. This is really, and it got better and better. And then it started declining after about the fourth one. So kind of interesting, right? It's really interesting. Yeah. I think it'd be kind of, I think I love Justin's idea of us scheduling that. I think that'd be cool to schedule.

We'd be productive as hell. Yeah. That part I liked. You know, how long did it take you then to knock out the guy? Bro, like I said, I did it in like an hour and a half. Oh wow. Yeah, like it was an hour and a half on fire. It wasn't like, I went back and read it

and I was like, oh, this is really good. I was very concise. Jessica too, she did a bunch of stuff for, some stuff that she's doing. And she was like, I feel very focused. And it's because you're moving. And what does Paul check always say in between sets? Do something creative in between sets to get the, you know, parasympathetic, sympathetic, at the brain to, you know, go into the creative. Right. Left brain. Yeah. So I don't know. It's pretty interesting. So what you started at nine. What did you,

so what time did you finally finish? What is it nine? I did nine, 11, 1, 3, and 5. So five o'clock, so nine to five. Like a day's work. A full day's work. Yeah, basically. Yeah, no, that's cool. Yeah, I think that would be a reasonable thing for us to do as a work day once a month easily

because then said I could nine to five and then all day long we just do. I think it could be a thing I really do. I know there's a lot of people listening right now that are hardcore. Tell you what, if I was 18 year old, 19 year old kid listening to a call. Like a college, how many times does a kid have a Saturday

where he's got to study all week? Exactly, right. Like how cool would it be to break up your studying with these little short workouts if you have access? You know what I would have done? I would have taken my car, my computer, my books, and I would have lifted and then gone to the coffee shop and worked or whatever next door to the gym

and then gone back to the gym and then go back to the coffee shop and just gone back and forth. So productive, become so productive. But then you lose your Wi-Fi password. You know what I mean? You gotta really log in once. Yeah, hey, what happened?

Shot down your idea, boom. Is that true, the coffee shops? You can only log in once? Yeah. Oh, I didn? Shot down your idea, boom. Is that true, the coffee shops? You can only log in once. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know. They time you out. Well, a lot of them do. I didn't know that.

Maybe some of them do. I mean, you're the coffee shop one. I go all the time. Yeah, that's why I like, I make sure, like I don't, like, I try to do everything offline as long as I can, because sometimes I'll stay there for a long time. Even if you say something to them,

they'll still tell you all. I'm sure, if you get, if you talk to them, I'm just saying that it times out. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Interesting. Dude, tell us about your, you were telling me this morning then you stopped about your, the work you're doing on the tree house.

Yeah, so this weekend I started, I started the work on the tree house. I went and got all the lumber and everything and put some of the skeleton of it and the framing of it and worked on that. I got both boys involved and they were super excited about it. But the thing was, they really wanted to help. I was trying my best. I'm really not good at slowing down when I'm in work mode. I've been really trying to work on this

because I remember as a kid, like I always wanted to help my dad, like if he was working on something or like doing something with the car, like I'm like, hey, teach me like all this stuff. And so I just decided, I'm like, you know what? This is like a very impressionable time and this is for them.

So I'm gonna really try and include them in the process. And so I'm like unloading everything and I could do it like four or five of these, you know, pieces of wood at a time and throw it over my shoulder and get it up there and like get it done. But I just decided that like my youngest, he's five years old and he's like, I want to help, damn, I want to help. All right, let me figure this out. So I would just grab one plank at a time and like he holds the front of it, but I'm like holding most of it, and he's like, and we're going up the stairs together

and he's just like, yeah, literally you do that with every single piece of, you know. And he wasn't complaining, he was going out. You know, yeah, he went with me every single time. Took about 25 minutes to unload my truck. But you know, he felt so good about it. He's like, yeah, like I helped you dad. I'm like, yeah, you did, bud.

You know what that's gonna do, right? When, you know, because he's gonna have tree houses in the back and anytime you give something to a kid, you like to see them take pride in it and take care of it. Because he feels like he's helped you, I bet he'll take better pride and care. Ownership of it. Yeah, like, hey, don't write on my tree house.

I helped build that one. Right, right. You know what I mean? When his buddies come over and stuff. Yeah, exactly, dude. Yeah, so I have it all. I got all the blue prints. I spent time with my dad really drawn it up.

So I'm just, I'm getting better too about like tackling like parts of things at a time and not just being like my normal self where I have like this like elaborate design of everything and I'm gonna attack all these, I'm gonna do like the fucking entire forest. You know, I'm like no, I'm just building the platform first. That's it. You know. It's a Millennium Falcon. Oh man, replicate. Whoa.

Don't give me start and bro, with all these trap doors and fucking ropes everywhere. Oh my god, my brain goes crazy. Oh, this is a place to hide so you can fire it or you're gonna go. Exactly, dude, I'm like, I can make it way more fun by doing this. And so, and my brother already has, he had like, I found out,

I thought he built a tree house. I went to his, his, his daughter's birthday party and like they had one, I'm like, you fucking have a tree house. I went to his, his, his daughter's birthday party and like they had one, like, you fucking have a tree house. He, I found out he paid for some guys to build it and I was like, oh, you fuck her. I thought for a second, it like got my ego. Like, hey man, you know, I was the builder. You know, so that's what I would do.

I just hire someone. I'm not hired just to have. No way. I'm not for hired at all. Although Katrina is tripping out right now because we, here we are with this, our whole weekend was around getting this house ready, right? And when I sold my house and moved in with her, like I got rid of, I totally purged and got rid

of so much of my stuff, including any sort of tools or anything I had around the house when I moved in with her. So, and I'm like, I openly admit, I'm not Mr. Handy. Like we joke about this all the time. I can't screw in a light bulb. But I mean, I've also been a bachelor since I was 17 years old and lived my own for a long time. So very capable of doing all these things, right?

I just don't like to. And I openly admit that. Like, hey, listen, I don't like to do this shit. But yeah, I've had to do a lot of that stuff growing up. And my dad worked construction. So my dad worked construction many summers. I worked with him. So I know how to use all those tools.

Right. So now we're in our own place. And I'm like, and it's just her and I. And we got a new thing and we're setting everything all up. So I swung by and picked up like all these tools. She comes home and she sees me like working on the house. She's like, where's this? Where did this come from? Who's this guy? Yeah, where is? I didn't even know

you knew how to do that. Like whatever dude. I mean, you had great sex afterwards. Yeah, exactly. You're wearing a tool belt. He's like, oh my god. We didn't love that. You know what I mean? They love it when you like do that is the move. You put a tool belt on, take your shirt off, just walk around. Oh, hey How's it going? What are you doing in there to hang a picture? Just like walk away to go hang your way quickly To the heck I can eat by 10 picture work You know that our cowboy hat one of the two. Yeah, I put together something from what's that Ikea? That's what I did the other day Awesome I can those even required tools. That's so flimsy and shady.

Maybe the little Ellen Ridge that's about it, right? Yeah, Ellen Ridge. I'd say for some reason. I don't know why I always save those. The Ellen Ridge. Yeah, the four other. I got a shit ton of them. Hey, did you guys see the CrossFit news? Yeah, I just sent that over.

Wow, that was very interesting. So they're allowing... How the fuck are they gonna do this? They're allowing transgender athletes to compete in the category that they identify with right so if you're if you're a biological male, but you identify as a female you can now qualify for or you can you can compete in the female category and vice versa. I love to see all the description and the, like everything they have to outline. Yeah, what constitutes identify with? Right, exactly.

Do you have to look? Like, you could like, could Justin, sign up and be like, I identify someone? No, I feel like a girl, so I'm gonna compete against the girls. Yeah, I don't know, dude. I'm not quite sure of what the, you know, maybe Doug can read this article and look it up for us while we're talking, but it's, it can still have a thing.

Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean. Like, how, how, no, I don't think you have to have a, a sex change. I don't think you have to be, yeah, I don't, I don't think that's the case, but, but we should, we should look it up just a double. Here's a, here's a, are you starting to see now?

I'm very interested. You mentioned this to us for the weekend I haven't like dug into it and looked at like is there gonna is there blowback from other athletes right now I mean if I'm a chick I'm pissed right now. I would imagine if I've been if I've been competing in cross hit for last three or four years As a female and a born female right and then this happens. I'm I'm fucking not I'm not too happy about that. Yeah, I think CrossFit is, okay, because what just happened? What just happened before this?

I think they should be able to compete, but you just competed what you were born at. Well, look, look at what just happened. You just had athletes banned for four years, okay, what's her name got banned for four years for having a minuscule. Yeah, the microscopic amount of a of a secretive hog pep tide or something in her blood, right? A minuscule amount. It was a very small amount banned for four years. Basically, career's

over. In the same week, they now say, Hey, you can take testosterone or whatever, or natural genetics that we're gonna make you probably stronger and we'll let you compete. I don't understand this. How are you gonna manage the monitor? Well, look, here's the bottom line. Because a female that is now identifying as a male, I guess that wouldn't matter as much, right?

So you're not gonna see any of them, you're not gonna see that. They're not gonna kick out. No, yeah, but hey, look, here's a man, I guess that wouldn't matter as much, right? So it's, you're not gonna see any of them, you're not gonna see that. They're not gonna kick out. They're not gonna, no. Yeah, but hey, look, here's a deal, okay? Cause I know people are getting mad right now, okay? Political correctness now has gone. Fucking insane. We've lost our minds.

It's okay to be logical, it's okay to be objective. For sure, every single human being, every person, every individual, should be treated with a level of respect and should be judged on their actions, for sure. But there's a reason why in sports, there's a male and female category. Otherwise, erase it. Everybody is biologically different. You erase it.

Have everybody compete together. But there's a reason, and it's, some of it has to do with testosterone, but some of it has to do with the fact that males have a different genes, and that also makes us bigger and stronger. It's not just testosterone. It just isn't. If you took a guy and took him off testosterone, look, Adam's testosterone levels were zero for a while when he went off steroids, still stronger than the average woman, still much stronger than the average woman, even with zero testosterone. You probably had less than the most women when you went off.

This is the case with, because what you're gonna see that happens is you're gonna see men who would have never ranked in competition as men who are gonna move over and going through all the hormone therapy and whatever, you know, shutting down, fine. You're off testosterone, you're on estrogen, whatever. They're gonna go in this female category and you're gonna start seeing them kick ass

at this thing, just cause genetically speaking men are, you know, we're bigger and stronger and it's not just testosterone, there's genes that they've got to do. Well, and there's money on the line, there's sponsorship, I don't know, it just gets, it's so gray, like I'm just so curious to see if they decided to do this, right, but like how do you handle all the, gray, like I'm just so curious to see if they decided to do this, right?

But like, how do you handle all the like impending questions? Like, what's the right amount, you know, that you're going to tolerate as far as like, you know, adding hormones and like, you know, where's the line? They're like, it's just interesting because now all of a sudden that line is so obscure. Like, I don't know how you're going to be able to manage that. I think, I think this is going to be a little bit of blowback. I don't know if this is necessary. I know that the Olympics have their own policy now. You know that's similar to this and I mean look here's I mean CrossFit's a private organization they can do whatever they want.

Right. Right. So they can say anybody and I'm okay with that. I'm not saying we should make laws or whatever. No, I do whatever. Yeah. For sure. I just think it's a silly move. I do. I don't know. I think there's, I mean, it would be, it makes sense to me if there was like a third category, right? Like, you compete if you were like, you know, transgender and you could compete against other transgender. Yeah, because you do have real advantages.

If you were biological male, you went through puberty and then you decide, know you want a transition to becoming a female and you go on female hormones and you block testosterone a lot of stuff you still have significant advantages now I've heard people argue and say and this is a stupid argument I know women that are stronger than men and I know men that are of course of course the women that are stronger than men, and I know men that, yeah, of course, of course. You know, the question of, but if you take the 1000 most strongest women in the world, and the 1000's most strongest men in the world,

there's no competition, because at that level, when you go to the extreme ends of the spectrum, we just have these genetic advantages. Now, if you go in the middle, yeah, of course, I could take the top female crossfit competitor. Look, we just did some film with a strong man, female strong man competitor in our facility. What's your last name?

Kristen can't remember her last name. Graham. She's stronger than most men. For sure, the girl can deadlift for 25. But if you compare her against strong men who are at her level, right? There's no there's no close not even close. So it's it's gonna be if I here's a thing I'm surprised women haven't been up in arms about this because if I was a female

So competing I'd be maybe that's because there's not a lot of men that are Changing into women that are wanting to compete in CrossFit. Maybe it's more likely the other way around. I think you're gonna see it. I think you'll see more. Do you think so? Absolutely do you think you'll see it? Well, I wouldn't bet against you on that. Because I mean, we know what athletes that want to be the best,

that want to win a gold, that want to be considered the fittest in the world as a CrossFit or we know what they're willing to sacrifice in order to be that. So that being said, I know people that would potentially change their sex just a minute. It's interesting because you've already seen, we've mentioned the MMA fighter that did this, but also there's that power lifter down the striker. We live there, believe it.

Yeah, it was like smashing all the records, you know, the previous women had before, but it's just like, it's just, come on man. It used to be, it used to be like, not just a guy, like a huge, burly guy, you know, like changing into a female. Well, if it doesn't, why wouldn't we just keep a separate category? Because it's political correctness run awry.

It's literally, we wanna be so, it's virtuous signaling. We wanna be so inclusive that what we're gonna do is we're gonna do things that aren't, that are illogical. It just looks, it's virtuous signaling. We want to be so inclusive that what we're going to do is we're going to do things that are illogical. It just, look, here's a deal. If it's logical, show me all the transgender women that are dominating in competition. You're not, I'm talking about, excuse me, transgender men, right?

Women who are born biological women, then who go and compete against men. Show me that category those, that category, and show me how they're gonna dominate. They won't. You're gonna see a lot of women go over to competition, maybe compete as men, because they're gonna transition. They're gonna have a very tough time

because guys have been guys, you know, biologically, further whole lives. Now in the flip, you're gonna see, and you're talking about, at the competitive level. That's what I mean. So you're talking about the outliers, the people that are the best of the best. So you're going to get your ass kicked on that side and then the other side, it's not fair. Yeah.

And so I just, I don't, and then again, same week, you know, they're taking athletes who had small amounts of not even anabolic, but of like, gray market type substances and they're banned for four years. Well, that's a huge point. I mean, like, what do they say to that? of gray market type substances and they're banned for four years. Well, that's a huge point. I mean, what do they say to that? Has anybody criticized them on that yet? I mean, how mad would you be if you're one of these athletes?

You're just trying to get a little competitive advantage. Now somebody coming in with a huge competitive advantage. Yeah, so I don't know. We'll see what the market says. So what do you do if you're Greg Glassman though? What do you do? Cause he's probably this had to have happened from pressures, right, of transgenders wanting to compete.

And feeling like, I believe there's a lawsuit beforehand with this girl that's in the picture. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never seen that along a while back. Oh, did you know that's how? No. That there was a lawsuit? Oh, there was a transgender athlete though. Yeah, yeah, I remember seeing that along a while back. Oh, did you know that's how? No, that there was a lawsuit.

Oh, there was a transgender athlete. Yeah, yeah, I remember me. Uh-huh. And she wanted to compete. And she wanted to compete. They wouldn't let her compete as a female. So I think that, yeah, maybe it was social pressures in the state today, you know, where they probably just

were like, okay. So this is a picture of a formerly male. Yes. Okay, and then she's just, and she's now, I feel so, I don't know how to fucking say it. I phrase it all, I know, where I'm fucking politically correct. I don't want to get murdered by my legs. I think just transgender female.

So she's a transgender female. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. And she sued, she sued CrossFit before. I believe so, yes. Oh, I did not know that. Well, we got to, we'll double check on that. We'll check on.

I'm kind of very sure, yeah. I remember it. Yeah, so then they be getting pricked. So great, so what do you do? You're gray glassman, you're getting sued because you don't have a place for them right now. So, you know what's funny? You know what, here's what's funny, okay?

Imagine if gray glassman is like, Hey, you know what's funny? Here's what's funny, okay. Imagine if Greg Glassman is like, Hey, you know what? Let's say, let's say he took it to the 50th degree, right? And he said, you know what? Your right, gender shouldn't matter. From now on, there's no male or female category. Everybody competes against each other. I'm doing the right thing, aren't I?

Imagine the outcry. Oh. Imagine if he did that. Really, there's not fair. Yeah. So instead, they're doing this, which is less fair. Yeah, if you outcry. Imagine if you did that. Really, there's not fair. So instead, they're doing this, which is less fair. Yeah, if you want to go that route, then just open it.

It's not fair, I mean. Right, there's a best person. Can we admit that? Yeah, just open it, the best athlete, and that's all we're gonna do. It doesn't matter if you're male, female, transgender, I don't care. Everybody compete against each other.

Yeah, we'll just open another class. I mean, another open class. Imagine if you're Emily Abbott right now, who, you know, I listened to that episode where she got interviewed where she talked about how her boyfriend did the, you know, the substance of the understreet. Can we talk about that for a second?

Yeah. Can we talk, I wanna hear you guys's opinion on this, because I listened to it also. Yeah. And I know there's a lot of people that are out there supporting her, but I'm just gonna, I'm gonna say something that's gonna piss a lot of people off are out there supporting her, but I'm just gonna say something that's gonna piss a lot of people off that I,

but that's your theory, because I agreed with it when you said it. This is the feeling that I have, okay? It sounds like to me that I've got a boyfriend who's taking these storms that tells me, okay, as the cross-fitted, they're not gonna test you for this, they're not gonna test you for this,

try this out, it's working great for me. I like it. Tries it out, it gets popped. And the reason why I say that is when you listen to her, the animosity that she has towards him still. Oh yeah. I mean, you can't blame the guy completely blames him. She says it's, oh, she feels like she's resentful

because he was taken into the teller. Right. And then he kissed her afterwards. Which that to me too, you're married, okay? And not engage, engage, right? She's your fiance, right? So in you, you're taking something on a daily basis and you don't know what he's taking.

So I call bullshit on that. Mm-hmm. But that's possible. There's a possibility that they have a relationship, but they don't communicate very well and they don't share those types of things with each other. I mean, I most certainly never would have tried to hide any of my steroids or anything from Katrina. She's known everything that I've ever taken.

So, I already think that's kind of bullshit, but maybe it is. But then the animosity towards him, I mean, that's an accident. Like, you're kissing and stuff like that. Like, if he doesn't know any better, if that's the case, then that's not- It really does feel like he's-

He's closed her on this idea, and then it didn't work out for her. And then oh no. Yeah, because who would have thought that they would have tested for that? Right. You know, let me cause it's one of those, you know, weird, gray, market,

type things. Yeah, so I smell bullshit. I do too. I do too. Now that being said, is it possible that there could have been some cross contamination from him having in his mouth, she kisses him and he gets in her bloodstream.

Yes, it's possible. Is it likely, no, extremely unlikely, extreme? That being said, the amount that she tested positive for, she's making the case now, I don't see, I don't know what the blood results say, so this is at her mouth. But she says it was, and I forgot the amount. The amount.

But it was a small, very small. It was like 0.002 net. It was like it was like you know it feels like she she she got went off of it and tried to see if it would get a system. Yeah, but that being said here you are your female competitor. You've been competing crossfit for a while. You've been a great spokesperson, one of the more popular athletes, you know, working hard, whatever.

And you get caught with a minuscule amount of a gray market drug that you think or you say you didn't take on purpose or maybe do whatever, but not only you banned, you're basically lost your career, done, right? You're never gonna compete in the cost of four years to be out of a sport like that when you're at your prime and fucking shit.

And a week later, a week later, they're like, hey, you know, if you identify as this gender, you could take testosterone, all you want. You know what I mean, or you could take this, whatever, all you, it's like, I'd be like, hey, if you identify as this gender, you could take testosterone, all you want. You know what I mean? Or you could take this, whatever. It's like, I'd be furious. Like, what are you guys talking about? Like what's going on?

So yeah, so I was right. So it was Chloe Johnson sued for 2.5 million for not letting her get as a fiend. Did she win? I don't know, does it say? I don't know. How do you, maybe that was part of the, I don't know, like part of the deal. Here's't know. How do you, maybe that was part of the,

I don't know, like part of the deal. Here's my, here's, She's from you, bro, she's from Santa Cruz. Yeah, yeah, I'm in a hurry. Here's my opinion on this. Okay, it's a private organization. They should have the right to tell you, no, you can't compete for whatever reason they want,

even if it's a discriminatory asshole reason. It's just like it's a private organization, okay? So that's the thing. So, her suing them, that's stupid to me, in my opinion. That's silly. Just go compete somewhere else, or complain publicly, make a big deal about it, whatever.

Obviously the pressure work now, CrossFit now is doing this. Do you, here's the real question. Do you guys think this is gonna hurt or help the CrossFit brand? What they're doing right now? I think it's gonna hurt. I think it's gonna hurt. Yeah. I think it's gonna hurt. Yeah.

I think it's gonna cause more controversy within it. And I think that that, I think it's politicized it for sure. Yeah. I don't know. And I never think that that's a good idea. I think sports. I think what's gonna really hurt it,

what can hurt it is if the women start to speak out. And I think, you know, they're afraid to speak out. Cause I've talked to women on the side who, I haven't met a single woman who said that's totally fair. Everyone I've talked to who competes has said, yeah, it's not fair, I don't really like it. But they're afraid to speak out. And I think it's because of the backlash,

the potential backlash that they could get, you know, so I don't know, man. But we'll see, I'm with you though Adam. I think it's probably gonna, I think what'll happen is you may get some transgender female competitors who just start fucking killing everybody and compete at the highest level, and you're gonna see other women who would have won

now second, third and fourth. And then that's when you're gonna start to see maybe the back. You gotta think as Glossum, you gotta be hoping that this doesn't happen, right? If you're him, you're hoping that there's a handful that want to, this is the right thing for me to do is to open it up this way, but maybe not thinking like, okay, well, how many of these people are crazy enough that they would change their sex just to have an advantage.

It is. I just like that. I mean, if people, I mean, we talk about this in the show multiple times. Well, that's a very valid thing. I know people might get offended, but that's quite valid. No, of course you all kinds of things.

If people said that they would die five years after they went a gold medal. Like if people have come out openly and said, listen, I would have died, I would have died. I would say anything's necessary. If I had any means necessary, it meant that much to me. Yeah. And if you don't, you know what I'm saying?

Like if you don't fully identify with your sex currently already, like why not? If caught people in the Olympics, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, that's what's happened. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I think this, this is a turning point for them. They've done two big things in one week.

One is their drug testing. The other one is this one. We could potentially see CrossFit start to hurt, you know, hurt the ratings and stuff because of this, but we'll see what happens. See if anybody really speaks out or gets pissed off or what ends up happening, but, you know our opinion. Yeah, no, no, it's gonna be interesting

to see what happens. You guys listen to you listen to that whole Emily episode on Borewio, yeah, episode on Barrio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't.

No, I think she's I know a lot of people sided with her afterwards though. A lot of people did a lot of people took her side and well four years. I mean, that's that's tough. I mean, that's for I don't think I don't think she should be banned for four years. Yeah. That's a bit extreme. Yeah. That's pretty hardcore.

No. I agree, especially then when you turn around and come out with news like this I definitely agree with you honestly. Why don't they just I mean if I was I mean just don't test You know just don't test come compete don't test and but then you go the way of bodybuilding where bodybuilding Just got so silly that nobody even wants. Well, I feel like just like bodybuilding There's a there's a market for both for both categories a tested and non-tested category Do you want to do you want to be a part of the group? It says fucking let's do it There's a market for both categories. A tested and non-tested category. Do you want to be a part of the group?

It says, fuck it, let's do it. Let's take whatever, do whatever, and people will definitely want to watch that group. And then are you a part of the group that, hey, I still want to say I'm the fittest, all natural person in the world. Like, why not? Why not have, why not have both categories?

I mean, the sports growing fast enough, big enough that you've got to have to be able to have like a little division of each right? No, is that not? Well, you know, it's funny to me because the way we view anabolic steroids and performance enhancing drugs, like why do we view them the way we do? Like, oh, they hurt your body? Athletes do a lot of shit that hurts her body.

Sumo wrestlers, you know when sumo wrestlers turn people in general do a lot that hurts her body. Well, let's talk about athletes though. You know, sumo wrestlers when they turn in general do a lot that are so popular. Well, let's talk about athletes though. You know sumo wrestlers when they turn 40, have a big ass party because so many of them don't make it that long. Oh my god, right. Look what they do to their body. Look at football players and the danger that they have. We talk to have that over three hours.

Look at boxers, look at fighters. Like, look at what they do to their bodies anyway. Why do we, like really because they're taking antibiotics, we're gonna, you know, no, it's because they're still this thought that they're, they're, they're, they have something over the next competitor. Not if everybody can use it. Well, not exactly, you know, but that's the thing.

If you opened it up, it would be like equal playing ground. Maybe because people are afraid it's gonna influence the kids. That's what I think that's a big, that's a big fact. Yeah, I get that, but that's already happening. Exactly. Kids did not, when I was a kid, which I know it's gotta be just like everything else, accelerated.

When I was a kid, there was kids on the football team that were taking steroids. I know I found that out later. It was crazy. There was a bunch of kids like that. Yeah, I don't think, I think it's better if we just promote this idea that people own their body. This is what I tell my kids,

like everybody owns their own body. If they're not hurting anybody, then I don't think they should get in trouble by the law. That doesn't mean they won't have consequences for what they're doing. Because of things you do always have an effect. And if you hurt yourself, you're the one that has to pay the consequence.

But I think that's what you tell your kids. Like, oh yeah, these are professional athletes. And they're definitely sacrificing. First of all, they're sacrificing their bodies anyway. Whether they take steroids or not. Like, what would you tell your kid who wants to be a pro football player? Don't take steroids, but go ahead and go play football. It's totally safe.

Tell him, look, here's a deal. You're definitely sacrificing your body and your brain. By doing this, it's your body, it's your choice. But know that there's some consequences. I think you teach your kids that anyway, no matter what, right? So at that level, at that pro level, I think they should just not test anymore. Here you go, trust me, there's a limiter,

there's a rev limiter there, they'll push it and then they'll start dying and then they'll bring it back. No, it's true, that's exactly what'll happen. That's why I say you let it all, you let it go. It'll get crazy and then it'll regulate. So it happened with bodybuilding, pro bodybuilding got crazy in the 90s. Guys were using crazy denderedics and you know growth

And let's look what the market did the market opened up men's physique because of that Yeah, because they got to a point where and I remember being one of these kids the reason why I Wasn't into bodybuilding that much was it is because I saw right away I'm like that's I can't obtain that Nor do I want to take the amount of anabolic to even try to obtain that no thanks And there I know I'm not alone with that. And so what ends up happening in a category like men's physique opens up.

And so I think you see the same thing too. People will be like, this is like getting freakishly gross. I'm not into it. It doesn't, I can't relate to it because I don't want to take all those steroids to do that. I'm more interested in this.

And they're not gonna try and get, and I don't think they'll ever do what bodybuilders do because bodybuilders are completely, what they're not gonna and they're not gonna try and get in there. I don't think they'll ever do what bodybuilders do because bodybuilders are are completely, you know, what they're focused on entirely is how big and arithmetic and gas of thinking. Right. You have to perform still. Yeah. There's a limit there. There's still a limit. Like, you know, like, like, like, okay, so here's a good, a good, a good, a, a comparison. Pride fighting championships was a mixed martial arts organization in

Japan that was notorious for not drug testing And then you guys and then you had UFC who did drug testing now did the pride fighters look different than the UFC guys Yeah, they were all much bigger a must look at their asses keep all the UFC guys Yeah, but and they didn't look like bodybuilders like you still have that limit that you have to perform So I don't think CrossFit athletes will look well that's a good example It's a lot of those guys came over to UFC and they still got their ass Yeah, they get their ass kicked. Just because you were all juiced up and everything.

That put you up to weight classes. And a guy who's naturally that size ended up whooping a lot of asses. Yeah, and there was exceptions to the rule and stuff like that, but I mean, for the most part. And is it, say I'm not familiar, is CrossFit as weight classes, right? Or no?

No, I don't think so. It's just open. Yes, it's open. It's age. Oh, it's age wise. Yeah, they have age, men and women and then age. Yeah, but there's so many. It's just open. Yeah, it's man's open. It's age. Oh, it's age wise. Yeah, they do they have eight They have age men and women and then eight. Yeah, but there's so many there's a lot of comp it There's a lot of things in CrossFit that include body weight It wouldn't make sense to go on a shit ton of gear and just get heavy anyway. No, no, you're exactly

Yeah, yeah, no, you couldn't you wouldn't want to take a lot I mean you want to take enough to speed up your recovery and eight eight and some strength But you wouldn't want to take something that's, like, debaul, you know, you know, it's gonna take something that's gonna hold a bunch of water away and get you all. Performance will decrease. Yeah, and inflammation would be up, and then your mobility would decrease.

Like, yeah, I know you wouldn't want to take anything, anything crazy. I just want to be clear, you know, too, because I know it's a touchy subject, which I find interesting. I don't know why it's touchy. It's pretty objective. If you step outside

of the political sphere and just look at things like a rational human being. But I do wanna be very clear here. I 100% think people need to be treated all individuals with respect. Yeah, with respect. And people own their bodies. You wanna do whatever you wanna do to yourself.

You should be allowed to. And I'm not gonna judge you. That's what you were born in. It's your meat wagon, right? You get to do whatever you want to do to yourself. You should be allowed to, and I'm not going to judge you. That's what you were born in. It's your meat wagon, right? You get to do whatever you want to. It's like it was your car. But at the same, and I think private organization have a right, this is CrossFit's right.

Go for it. But again, my opinion is based on what I think objectively, and I think the market, we'll see what the market says. We'll see if people, how it responds and what this does for the brand of CrossFit. Yeah, I what the market says. We'll see if people, how it responds and what this does for the brand across it. Yeah, I know. I agree. Hey, have you, Justin, have you watched the last chance you yet or what? I have watched it. Did you get caught up more? Did you?

I saw it in two episodes. Damn, bro. Come on. I want to talk to you about it. It's fired. Hurry the fuck up and get through it. They did a thing at the end of it that went back and revisited the first two seasons. Oh, they did. And where are all the kids are at now? And there's some crazy stories that I want to talk to you about. So I want you to hurry up and fucking watch it. Okay, I'm going to get on that. That's excellent.

Excellent. Adam, are you still taking a lot of protein powder or are you doing more food again? So I've been good. Like today, if I'm prepped, like a day that I'm prepped, I don't take it. Like so the goal, and the goal always is not to. Like I mean, even though we're sponsored by a company like Organifi

and it's our job to talk about using their supplements, I'm very transparent with people about, the goal was always for me to get whole natural food. But I absolutely, if I'm low, like I used it yesterday, but I didn't use it the day before, you know, or the day before. How much do you normally miss by and then how much do you have to supplement? Well, I mean, so I, I will only do it if I feel like I'm like below one.

So so I am, uh, right now I'm 175 pounds of lean body mass. Okay. Now, my goal is to get one, like one to one body weight in protein, which is, you know, I'm 215. So somewhere between 200 and 215 is kind of where my goal is. If I'm sub 170 170 in protein from whole So that's the minimum. That's just me that's that that's the number that I've chose like or lower So if I'm 170 or if I'm lower than 170, I'll take a shake

That's just for sure I'll take a shake to push me at 190 or so and then I'll just whatever I'm not worried that I'm a little bit under 200. It's not a big deal. And so that tends to happen You know, and like today the plan is it for not to happen, but I also, I'm behind already today. So I think I, I, I, I was normal breakfast, staple breakfast for me is my bacon and eggs and sourdough toast. And I didn't get it today.

So I will, I, and that's just how my brain works. I know I'm gonna be playing ketchup all day. Again, the strategy still will be to not use a shake if I don't need to use one of the organifi shakes, but I will, if I, at the end of the night, that's normally where I drink it. Do you feel different? So I know you've done way protein consistently forever, but then you've been using the organifi

protein, plant-based protein, as far as on your gut, I do feel. I do. You know what? So I do go back and forth still, because I still don't think there's anything that tastes as good as way. So there are certain shakes, so when I have a savory one,

so I make like a peanut butter and banana one, I make like this Nutella coffee one. So when I do those kind of like savory or sweet flavored shakes, I like the way protein. But if I'm just like, I just need the protein, I just need the 20 something grams of protein to push me up and I'm just mixing with water or almond milk and that's all and I'm shaking it up,

almost always or can't if I, because I can tell, the organ if I just sits well in me. There's a really, yeah. Oh yeah, no, it just sits better. And I don't have any, I'm not like you, I'm not sensitive to where it bothers me, but I just feel better after. Yeah don't have any, I'm not like you, I'm not sensitive where it bothers me, but I just feel better after. Yeah, yeah, it feels like,

my body feels like it digested easier. Super easy to, because over the weekend when I was doing that workout, one of the shakes that I did was the organifier protein and I put three egg yolks in it for the cholesterol and just mix it up. Oh, you put that in? I've been doing egg yolks myself,

actually, like, and it has made a difference in my strength. Right, so how many are of you what are you doing? I'll do like four egg yolks in the morning and then I'll work out in the middle of the day and it's been fantastic. It's fucking crazy, right? Yeah, it's a short that on top of all the steak. Yeah, you bump up your dietary cholesterol But I was doing that over the weekend to try and recover so I just throw the egg yolks in the house It tastes in the shake like that fine. It's fine. Yeah, you don't taste the egg really. Do you do it raw? So yeah.

Okay. I don't recommend anybody doing it raw because there's always that risk of salmonella, although the risk is actually quite small. But yeah, I just, I separate the white out because the egg whites will bother me a little bit if I have them, especially raw. I don't know if you guys need this,

but whites have antibodies in them because they're designed to protect the yolk. And a lot of people get a reaction. So people who have food intolerance issues, will typically egg whites is one of the top five. Egg yolks is usually not up there. So people with food intolerance is actually the opposite of what most people think.

Yeah, so a lot of people have issues with eggs, try eating just the yolk and see if it's still an issue. You may find that the yolk is no problem whatsoever, it's just the white they have an issue with. Do you like the, I used to like to put, this is back when I was using the egg whites all the time, I used to put egg whites in my protein shake to boost the protein up. I actually used to like the way it tasted, it gave it kind of this frothy or taste to the shake.

It does that a little bit, but it doesn't really taste, you can't really taste it, you just taste mainly the shake, especially if you use something like almond or coconut milk, which is what I'll do, then you really can't tell. I'm actually gonna steal that from you, because that's the one thing I, what it really sucks is if I'm like at 130 or 120 grams of protein, and like even the organifi shake is only what, 25 or 28 grams, it's less than 30.

So that's an easy way to bump up the protein too. Yep, yep, I'll try that out. Do it. This quad brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organifi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I

dot com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Tony Low yo yo yo. What's a good approach for fat loss after a reverse diet? So, reverse diet is when you slowly, it's just in a nutshell, when you slowly increase your calories after, typically after a cut or a contest, to get your metabolism to boost up so that you're not sitting at super low calories all the time. Because your metabolism adjusts and adapts to your food intake, but it also adapts to your activity level. So the goal of the reverse diet is get a faster metabolism.

Here's the wonderful thing. If you do a good reverse diet and get your calories up, high, when you cut your calories, you'll get a nice fast, effective fat loss. And one thing that really impressed me about this approach was Adam when you were doing What's her name's Melissa Melissa, yeah when you did her first comp prep

You Started her way out, but you you didn't even cut her you said we're gonna get your calories way the hell up so we cut you What did you I pushed her all the way up to a 2600 calories and this she's a hunt she's a small girl Yeah, she's only she's, she hit stage at 112. So she's tiny. She does a 112 pound competitor eating 2600 calories. And that's what you worked her up to slowly before you started.

Right, right. So she's a two weeks out from her, her next show right now and she'll occasionally like check in and tell me where she's at like just to, hey, what do you think this is where I'm at and the last time she checked in with me? She was at 1800 calories two weeks out. Yeah, no I bet you no woman no female competitor in her class It's especially her size. Yeah, especially her size. They're like a thousand. Oh, yeah

I've had other competitors that I've trained and clients that I know that are in 150 160 range that aren't even eating that many calories I mean I bring up Jessica on this show all the time. The other girl that has competed before that I'm always trying to help. And she's the opposite. She's always wanting to hurry up and start cutting. And I'm constantly telling her like you just haven't done the due diligence of ramping your metabolism up. You she's only at 1800 calories and she's 170 pounds.

And she wants to start cutting right now. And I'm like, man, you were no, you're nowhere near. You start right now. Where are we going to be in like four weeks? You'll be nowhere near the weight you really want to be and you'll be starving already. Like it's just not going to happen. So yeah, she cruises right in because of that. I shouldn't say cruise because if you talk to her, she'd be like, she feels like she's

starving. That's why it's so it's all relative, right? It's really funny. Like, yeah, it's because your metabolism's high. You're gonna be hungry. Right. So what people don't understand, because they hear that and they're like, oh, they're so jealous.

Like, oh, I wish. I can be, the funny part is, it's just as hard for her as it is for the other person who's starving themselves. It's just healthier for her. She's, her body will respond better. Her skin will look better. Her hair will look better.

Her face looks better. Like, there's more muscle. Yeah, she can't, holds on to more muscle. Like, she's taking care of her body and her metabolism. And that's where the sport is okay, in my opinion. Like, when you do it correctly, you really, you really don't, it's really not that dangerous or stressful on the body. I mean, you can't, nobody in here right now can tell me that if she's two weeks out

from a show and she's eating 1800 count, mind mind you to she does 15 minutes of hit post workout. That's what she does. And then she walks and she's ramped up now to 20,000 steps. So I've taught her to once prep starts, she starts at 10,000 steps, then goes to 12 and the 14, then the 16, then the 18, then the 20,000 steps. And so she's walking at 20,000 steps, she's doing hit cardio after her post workout. That's the most we're doing right now. There's no hour bout of sitting on the treadmill, blasting on the treadmill to bring it.

What a contrast from her and her peers. Cause literally somebody in her category, right? She's 112 pounds or 110 pounds or whatever. Someone in her categories, right? She's 112 pounds or 110 pounds or whatever. Someone in her category is walking into the contest, you know, a week before or whatever, or walking into the kind of, eating under 1100 calories,

that's the average that I see consistently, doing two hours of cardio or more a day and weights. That's what they're going into the contest with. She's eating 1800 calories and she's doing 15 minutes a hit and just being active all day. Right. You know, like which situation do you think's gonna, and not only that, but you're probably gonna look

about her as a result, and then she's kicking ass. Right. That's part of the reason, she doesn't look like she's dead. When she's on stage. And here's the other thing, when you do it the wrong way, buy-by hormones, your hormones are fucked. You have a tough time recovering from something like that. And so what we do, so the goal and the reverse diet for me and whenever I teach it to anybody

is, I want to, I want to push your, keep slowly creeping your calories up until you look back at me and go like, Adam, this is so a lot of food I eat. Or it's just like, it's, it's becoming inconvenient to eat enough to hit your target, which is so a lot of food I eat. Or it's just like, it's becoming inconvenient to eat enough to hit your target, which is such a natural place to transition the other direction. It's like, and that's kind of like the very, yeah, the very first time that I did this with Melissa, the very first show,

I kept asking me like, how high are we gonna go? I'm like, let's just keep going. Are you having okay eating? She's like, yeah, no, I'm enjoying this. I'm fine, I'm like, okay, well, I want you to tell me when it gets to a point where you're just like, this's just keep going. Like, are you having okay eating? She's like, yeah, no, I'm enjoying this. I'm fine. I'm like, okay, well, you know, I want you to tell me when it gets to a point where you're just like, this is too much. And that's where it was. When we got about 2600 calories, she's just like, it's hard at them for me to make sure I

get enough of these calories. I get to a lot, I'm like, okay, perfect. Now let's go the other way. And I just took her down a few hundred. So I went from my 26 and told her to hover around 23 to 24. And then her body already started to... Fat just started coming up. Yeah, I just started, she started to lean out nice and so on control.

Then we dropped another two to 300 calories. And then the way I would do it is every time, I would wanna just drop it and then stay there as long as we could until we stop seeing results. And I could see, because I mean, I have her checking in with me on a regular basis back then and I could see like, okay, progress is starting to stall stall a little or slow up, like let's drop down a little

bit. And then once I start getting to like the 2000 calorie range where I like, I think is a healthy place for her body, her size to be at, then I go, okay, let's, let's keep your calories now the same. Now let's start adding the hit cardio. Okay, let's add a hit, let's add hit in there three days out of the week. And then mind you too, I was, you know, graced over real quick with the, the, the adding the steps. So every week in the cut, we're ramping up about 2000 steps every week, which

is, it's not a lot, you know, 2000 more steps is a half hour stroll, you know, that you, you walk for the day or you're just aware of it, or you may actually naturally get it just throughout your day. So every week, she's also adding 2,000 steps. So I know she's burning a little bit more. I'm reducing by two to 300 calories every week. And we keep doing that until we hit about 2,000 calories. Then at 2,000 calories, I'm like, okay, this is a place where you're eating a balanced four meals

or so a day, you're getting your body adequate protein to hang onto the muscle mass of your eye. Okay, now let's stretch it and push it a little bit. Let's start to add some hit. And again, hits already, proven to show, it's one of the better places to do cardio when you want fat loss and hanging on to as much muscle as possible. It's the long, bouts of cardio that send that signal

to the body to adapt into, get rid of muscle that it's not advantageous for a long distance runner to have, which a lot of competitors and bodybuilders don't realize this, I think it's so funny that they go right to these cardio baths. It's like you're sending your body a mixed signal by building and lifting and trying to be strong

and massive and huge and lots of muscle and then getting on a treadmill and running. It's a conflicting message. And so to think that your body's not gonna to stall out, I think it's really silly. That's the last place I want to go. That's the last thing because I know that, inevitably, if we start running for an hour or pushing the body for an hour cardio-wise, it's inevitable and more than likely, we're going to lose a little bit of muscle. Yeah, we might lose fat. We might lean out and drop some weight on the scale.

So here's a thing too. Pro bodybuilders, fat, we might lean out and drop some weight on the scale. So, yeah. And here's a thing too, pro bodybuilders, they love doing cardio that way. They'll get on a treadmill and walk for like an hour. But you're also talking about a 280 pound person who 15 minutes a hit would probably give them a heart attack. And they're on so many antibiotics that that overrides the signal to lose muscle.

You know what I mean? So they're kind of burning extra calories. You know, I wonder if you could technically use this strategy of reverse diet, cut, reverse diet, cut, and get yourself to a point where you're shredded, if you do the cycle over and over again and you're smart about it, I bet you could use this cycle

and get yourself to a point where you're shredded with a very fast metabolism. You hear what I'm saying? Oh, 100%. So, like, let's say, like Melissa, right? Like, she's at 2600 calories. She gets, she slowly gets herself to, let's say, 2000 calories because she's not, forget the competing part. Get super lean at 2000 calories. Now she's slowly reverse diets. You know, she'll gain a little bit of body fat, but once maybe a couple pounds and she gets her calories up, then she starts to reverse again or starts to cut again.

Theoretically, if you do this over a long period of time of this kind of staggered approach, get to the point where you're lean and you're eating high amount of calories. Part of why I think she's having a lot of success you know she's heading into worlds right so she's going after the WBFF you know world's championship right now and I think she's gonna do great I think she's gonna for sure I believe she'll place top five I think I don't know what the politics are like in that that federation or not but I think she could win I see the two other girls that won it last year, and I think she's got a better physique, and I think she's coming in better.

But she's done this now enough times that, I mean, I don't, you know, for personal reasons, I don't like the way her or those physiques look like when they're at now. Like it's just, to me, it's not, it's too emaciated and shredded looking. Yeah, I think she looks great, like when she's off, like when she's not like,

dieting harder with that, because she comfortably can be around that 22 to 2400 calories and training like consistently and not having to do a crazy amount of calories as long as she's focused on her movement and keeping incredibly lean body. She never goes way, never blows up like a lot of competitors do after a show.

Well, here's a deal. Like, look at you. You used to walk in, because you did this. You compete, how many times you compete? Six. Six times. You typically what happens with people when they compete a lot is you'll, it'll get harder and harder for them. They start to say their body stuff is fun.

You on the other hand, you were walking into competitions, eating a shit ton of food because you'd reversed it and come down so, so effectively that, you know, what were you eating walking in competition? Oh God, dude. So the lowest I ever got was 2200 calories was the lowest I ever let myself get down to. And that was what show was that? I believe that was USA's. And part of that was actually because I had built up enough muscle that my critiques were not, you weren't muscle.

You were trying to get diced. Yeah, and then this smaller, they were just like, you're big, you're flirting between that men's physique classic look. And everyone told me at the national and amateur level that I was kind of too big, I had already a pro physique. So I went in, I cut that hard knowing that I would probably lose some muscle because I Hit I hit stage at 201

As a at at nationals and that was the lowest calorie intake I ever did at 22 But when I went pro I was hitting stage at 215 and when I was hitting stage two I was calories like 3000 That was your pre contest. Yeah, bro. I would die like low, like a low day, because sometimes I'd run like two or three low day would be like 27, 200 calories. That's hilarious. Yeah, no. What a contrast.

Oh, totally. And then to see where I'm at now, like because of the falling off, and then remember I told you when I wasn't moving, like because the Achilles, I wasn't doing more than 2000 steps a day. I wasn't lifting that much, so I was losing muscle mass.

So I was down to eating one to two meals. So I'm still in this process of, like right now. You're reversing right now. Yeah, I'm like, and that's been, like, you know, of course we fell right in the middle of this challenge. So I'm like kind of, you know, flirting with both sides here. But I always got to keep letting myself, like I just said earlier when we first started this podcast,

I got to, I can't let the psychological part fuck with me and do what I know is not right for my body, which would be, I know if I would all sit and drop to 1800 calories, of course, I would start to lean out really fast, but that's not a healthy place to be, it's not a place I want to be.

I'm gonna be leaning up with that. Right, and so I'm hovering around 3000 calories or so right now, which is cool, I'm okay, but it's not, I'm not like before, that would be leaning out. I mean, at 3000 calories or so right now, which is cool, like I'm okay, but it's not, I'm not, like before, that would be leaning out. I mean, at 3000 calories, I would be watching myself lean out almost every single day consistently at that calorie intake,

where now it's not, it's kind of sustained. I'm actually building right now on that. So you can tell that my metabolism is still nowhere near. It's funny, once you understand how the metabolism adapts, you can use it to your advantage, whether you want to gain or lose weight, you know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. And I think in the context of modern life,

most people will benefit from having a faster metabolism. There's food accessible everywhere, we're too sedative. Well, there's two camps. There's two camps right now, right? And I think I brought this up before, and I might have threw somebody in the bus that actually really had him came out and said, that's what I apologize when I talked about this before,

where I know there's two camps of like, people that are out there that are talking about that, you know, it's more ideal to learn to eat as little as possible to live off of that versus to be over consuming and inflaming the body all the time. And I get that, like I can subscribe to that. I can make sense to me that, of course, that, you know, the, I mean, the digestive system is just like every other system on the body. Any other system on

the body can be overworked. Well, would you want a fast, super fast metabolism if you're a caveman? Right. No. Of course. You want a nice, thrifty one that's going to keep right. Right. Right. But I think you bring up the point that I think is so great, which is the important one, is we live in a different time now. You know, and so- Fast metabolism is great insurance. Yeah. For modern life, it's a great insurance. I mean, if you're somebody who has the ability

to eat 1500 calories and you never want an ice cream cone or you never want to have some frappuccino from whatever, like whatever, you know what I'm saying? You don't have pizza, what, you don't have- No, context is totally changed. Modern life is sedative as hell, period, end of story, naturally. If you want to be active, you have to go out of your way to be active. And your food is very palatable, and it's accessible. All food is accessible.

I can go to the grocery store and I can get fruits and vegetables, all year long. Doesn't make any sense, right? Well, we've created the system now where we have all this food, fast metabolism will protect you a little bit. Next question is from Jajanssen35. How do you create a better relationship with food and stop binging or constantly thinking about food? Well, who picked these questions?

They say nutrition hour. You're like that. Nutrition nutrition. Just this bullet favorite fucking subject. That's just a fire. That's it. You know, here's the thing with food relationships. This is a difficult one to tackle

because your relationship with food was started to get molded from, you know, day one from being born. And we're constantly fed all the time. We never go without food. I mean, I'm pretty sure most people listening right now have never in their entire lives, except for maybe when they were very ill,

have gone without food for a full day, right? Everybody eats every single day. And so here's the thing. The way we judge what we eat is based on a couple things. The taste, how good it tastes, and the emotional connection we have to food. And that's pretty much it. We haven't really connected anything else to food, and we haven't connected with the natural signal of hunger.

We think when we think we're hungry, what we're really having is a craving. Hunger doesn't really kick in until probably 48 to 72 hours of not being in food or if you're in a really, really low calorie deficit, you may start to feel some hunger. But usually it's cravings. And, you know, I'm really hungry right now. Doesn't really mean you're hungry. So your connections all over the place now.

You know, we've done such a good job of providing so much free content that sometimes I think we suck at selling our own shit. We wrote a guide for this. Intuitive guide talks about this.. We wrote a guide for this. Yeah, and two of the guys talked about this. We literally wrote a guide exactly for this because we knew that this is not easy. Right. And it's not something that as simple as a couple of pieces of advice that all three of

us could give real quick over a podcast, it is. It's going to take time and there are some steps and we lay all those out in the intuitive eating guide. And I think you just gotta know that it's gonna take some time. That or, or entrust your partner to put a shock collar on you. And every time you're about to go do something like that,

then give them the free ones. So I'm sure you have a safe word. Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're crazy with that. Yeah, so fasting is a great way to understand hunger and separate your emotions from food. So what do you mean by that? It's if you do a 48 or 72 hour fast or longer,

which make sure your health thing get clearance to do first. But if you do do that, here's what'll end up happening. In that three days that you don't eat, you're gonna live your normal life, you're gonna have some stress, you're gonna have some anxiety,

you're gonna feel happier sad, but you're not gonna have food. You're not gonna have food there. She literally is one of the best ways to break yourself from the chains of food as far as being, I have, this is a ritual, this is something I, you just fall into hanging out with people and eating. A lot of times it's mindless and to be able to go through

that process and understand that, oh wow, I really don't need as much food to fuel me, to do activities, to do whatever it is. Like it's not necessarily that important. Like you can live pretty much without like an excess of food. It could, it's literally the exact same thing that somebody who's trying to get off a drugs goes through. The exact same thing, somebody who's trying to get off a drugs goes through. The exact same thing and this question is exactly and the answer, there's not a,

there's not a specific or the one way to do this because there's two camps in you that could be one. There's two camps in the drug strategy. There's two camps in the drug world, right? If someone's addicted to drugs, uh, some people have a lot of success by cutting cold turkey, ripping it all from you, locking you up in a room for 30 days and then flatten it out, flatten it you up in a room for 30 days and then flatten it out. Sweat it out, being miserable, whatever, and then from there staying disciplined, not to go back, right? And then there's other people and I tend to kind of side more with this camp, which is kind of like that reminds me of what doctor was it that we had on the show way back when who has the

peak brain institute and all that. What's his name? A kind of name right now? Dr. Andrew Hill. Dr. Andrew Hill, thank you. So where they actually don't do that, they actually try and connect those cravings to like the other behavioral addictions that you've created in your life and they it's a slow winging you off. The end of the day, you first have to accept that your body

has become addicted to a lot of these things. Both physically and then behaviorally, you have to understand that. That it's like that and be, and just, and some people, I know are probably, oh god, they don't want to hear that because it sounds like I'm demonizing food and separating good. And, but hey, at the end of the fucking day, whether you can label it good or bad, there is food that is more optimal for you, and then there is food that is not so optimal for you. Bottom fucking line. And you and you and we all struggle with this, especially if we were raised in families that gave us process fucking cereals and you could eat candy bars and you could have ice cream every night like I feel you. I know what that's like.

And here I am 36 going on 37 barely breaking through these change. This, this was never happened. Right here to my right is a box of Mike and I candy, which is one of my favorite candies that Jackie brought me. And now I think it's been a month and a half, two months and she's been there, never in my life with something of last that long.

Maybe I would justify it for a week or two because I'm in a challenge or something like that. But never in my life. And that's just because I've broke those chains. I've broke that,. I've broke that. I don't want it. I don't need it. I don't think about it all the time.

It's not a big deal to me to let go of it because I've done such a good job of connecting all the dots to how I feel when I feed my body. Optical. That's an important, that's a very important point right there because like I was saying before, when we make judgments on food, it's based off of taste and how it makes us feel in the terms of the emotion and context and with my friends.

But we don't connect food to all these other factors, which if you become aware of them, if you become aware of how your food, and this is the other side of it. So you do it fast first when you come out of the fast, start eating again, but now start journaling. How do you feel before the meal, during the meal, and after the meal? And then how do you feel later in the day? And just journal, and what you'll start to notice is foods, different foods affect you in different ways.

Something that can affect your digestion, they may affect your mood, they may affect your skin, they may affect your sleep. But as you become aware of all these things that food affects, now your judgment, your natural subconscious judgment will be based off of all of those things, not just the taste.

And then when it's a happening is, you'll sit down, because trust me, when I sit down in front of a piece of cake or a cupcake or candy or a pizza, for sure, acknowledge that that's gonna taste amazing. It's not like I look at it and go, oh, it's not going to taste good. I acknowledge it's going to taste good, but I've also become so aware of the other ways it makes me feel that I weigh them out and guess what happens a lot of times.

Well, I think too, like when you mentioned before about cravings versus actually being hungry, I think that it is so important to understand the difference between the two because a lot of times, like, even myself, when I went through the process and why we've mentioned the fast, why I think it's important, you know, it's because like, you haven't actually, like, understood, like, okay, like, this is actually a craving. This is, I'm not, I'm not necessarily hungry right now. Like, I can, I can go without that. There's this panic around it.

There's this panic that I have to shovel in food because I've been like a stretch of like five hours. Oh my God, I need food. And then you make bad decisions. Bro, it's a state of unawareness. You know, I had a client once who she was trying to avoid sugar. And we were having this conversation

one day while I was training her. And she's like, you know, we're talking. And she's like, oh, because my studio used to be next to a grocery store. So, like, oh, I just bought dinner or whatever and we were talking about what she picked for dinner. And she's like, oh, and I grabbed a few of the chocolate peanuts out of the bin. That's in that thing. And I looked at her and I'm like, how often does that happen when you go grocery shopping? She's like, oh, I mean, I guess I do it every single time.

And I'm like, that's weird that you don't count that in your actual food. And then she realized that she was literally unaware. Like she's literally making herself consciously making herself unaware. Now this is what happens when people binge. While people are binging, if they were to make a practice where they stop, you know, one fourth of the way through stop, don't eat. What am I doing?

Let me take some notes or am you right down or at the bare minimum? Write it down afterwards. That's right and look at it and because that's why I'm so that's why I'm so big on the tracking thing It's like I'm not even telling you to break your habits yet. We're not even there yet But fucking write it down because you don't even have to be a nutritionist. To be able to look at one of those apps and go, holy shit, my pie charts fucked up. You know, when you're on accountability that was just like you said, because most people are just so unaware. These are the conversations I'd have with a client where they come in and be like, hey, oh, yesterday I binged and I ate four cupcakes.

And it's okay, well, first off, don't judge yourself because that only judging and hating yourself will fuel the opposite of what you want. So just observe, okay, you're just being aware. So okay, I ate four cupcakes yesterday and so it's okay, how long did it take you to eat those? I don't know, 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes. Okay, what were you thinking

after the first cupcake? After you ate the first cupcake, why did you go to the second one? And what were you thinking after the second cupcake and what were you thinking after the third cupcake? And the same answer always comes out. Like they always say to me like, well, I wasn't. I just just kept going. I wasn't thinking. Exactly, you are literally consciously making yourself unaware of what you're doing so that you can do what your cravings or whatever are telling you to do. So when you take and write things down

and write down how you feel, at first it becomes painful because nobody wants, by the way, when I tell someone who binges, hey, during your binge, stop halfway through and write down what you're doing, nobody wants to do it. I don't wanna do it. Why don't they wanna do it? They don't wanna face the reality of what they're doing.

Nobody wants to stop halfway through hurting themselves and recognize that they're hurting themselves. This is the hard part, that's the hard part. The hard part is being brave enough to face your demon and your demon is your binging. So you have to be brave enough to stop halfway through. Maybe you keep binging afterwards. That's fine.

Just write it down, write down what you're doing, how you're feeling. Oh my God, I want to eat this food so bad. I feel panic, I'm anxious. I've already eaten this many donuts. Now I want to eat this. If you want to keep eating afterwards, that's fine, but just become aware of it,

but be brave enough to face it because the will stop you every single time from progressing, is that willful unawareness that we tend to do, and that's why generally, in fasting, are so effective. The neat part is you do this long enough, if you do this long enough, it will get to a point, and it's taking me a long fucking time to get here, okay?

So it's not a short journey to get, especially if you've for a long time. It's work, man. It is, it is absolute, but it's now to this point. And I still kind of test this, because I'm fascinated by this change that I have felt in my body, where, you know, I've told you guys before, like, for years,

I literally had like a pint of ice cream every single night before bed. If I had a pint of Ben and Jerry's right now, it would destroy me. And so now, even if I decide like, hey, you know what? I haven't had some Ben and Jerry's in a long time. I'm gonna go ahead and let myself have some tonight. Like I'm gonna sit down,

Katrina and I gonna watch a movie and I'm gonna enjoy an old thing. I totally think that's totally fine. But what I know will happen, and it's that this has already happened because I've tested this multiple times, is I get through halfway and I'm like, whoo, can feel it. I can feel it right away because I've, I've now been able to break those change, I've disconnected from it for long enough, long enough of a time. I've fed myself really, really good foods. I actually now crave like vegetables and fruits, which I had no desire for in the past.

In the past, vegetables couldn't taste more like cardboard to me and fruit was bland and boring to me. We're now those things are very rich. And so if you're somebody who still eats fruit and eats vegetables because you think you're supposed to eat it and not because your body craves it or wants it, that's because you still have not broken the chains completely from all these other artificially high-jacks, super, super super powerable sugary foods. Once you get rid of all that for long enough, all of a sudden you start noticing when you bite into a strawberry or an apple or a peach, it tastes that same reward that you got for the McCandy and the ice cream and the things that you would normally chips or whatever you

would binge on, you start to get from those foods and it's fucking awesome. I can't wait till Justin has vegetables again, because he's getting experience. Unless you've already had, have you started having any? Not yet. See, I can't wait to see what you feel because you haven't had them for so long.

Yeah. I bet they're gonna taste like amazing. No, I'm really looking forward to it, man, because like it's funny. I told you, my whole experience with Brussels sprouts, like they came out of nowhere. I'm like, what is this? You know, like, that was a huge thing for me. It's just like, you know, going through that process, getting rid of all the vegetables can be great.

Yeah. Next question is from Nick Husky. Can you talk about oral health and its connection to overall health? So, a whole lot of oral. Yeah, so, so here's a good way to put it. And I've put it this way for people and it's really resonated with them. So the inside of your mouth and the inside of your gut, so if you look at your mouth, if there's a tube that connects your mouth to your anus, right, and it goes through your stomach and you have that small and large intestines

and the inside of your mouth is part of that. When things go in those areas, they're not inside your body. So it's important to understand that. It's literally like a donut. The middle of the donut, their space in the donut. If I put a pencil in there, that pencil's not inside the donut. I have to actually poke in the donut

to get the pencil inside there. So when things are in your mouth, when things are in your mouth, or you swallow things, they don't go in your body until your body starts to break them down and absorb them. That's why you can eat a quarter and pass it. That's right. This is true for your mouth as well.

Now if you have bad oral health and your gums bleed, you are literally exposing your blood, your body to things on the outside that you probably shouldn't. It's really not that different from imagining having a scab on your arm that's kind of bloody and then you chewing up food and then just rubbing it on that scab. What do you think is going to happen to that scab when you do that over and over and over and everything you eat just chew it and kind of rub it in. Nice little rub.

Chew it over. It's really a culture. That's or and in. Chew it in. Chew it in. Rub it in. Chew it in. Rub it in. Chew it in. Rub it in. That's our or and your body starts to develop antibodies.

Yeah, they're going to fight it. And you're going to have you can develop gut issues and autoimmune issues as a result. They've connected poor oral health to poor health period. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Mental health and poor gut health. And this is something that I didn't really understand. Now, on that note, because I'm curious to what you think too, because I think that And this is something that I didn't really understand. Now on that note, because I'm curious to what you think too, because I think that you can over scrub, over clean,

because there's healthy bacteria that are in there too. Because there's two kind of two camps in the- Oh, the whole list of green every five seconds. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. I've always trying to clean and flush and brush and get all that stuff out of there, because there is gotta be some benefit to the bacteria that's inside of your mouth also.

No, I think the most effective thing you can do, the most important thing, besides brushing teeth, is flossing. Have you oil pulled before? I have. I have, too. Yeah, what did you think? It's a pain in the ass.

My buddy does it like every other day. Takes too much time? Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like a whole process to do it. And it's really annoying to keep it in your mouth. Your mouth feels amazing though afterwards. I mean, it really does. It feels great.

And it does have this like, you don't get like this listerine feeling after it where it feels like you've just had chemicals in your mouth that have just totally bleached the inside of your mouth. It has this feeling of, you know, the gum, you can feel this like coat, like this kind of slimy coat all over your mouth, but it does, it feels it in a clean way. It's pretty wild.

Yeah, I think with the, I know this loric acid and coconut oil, that's good for its anti-bacteria, but then also I think what happens with the fats that you're swirling around your mouth, it's supposed to be like 30 minutes. Yeah. They start to break down fat, soluble, type compounds that tend to be hard to remove. So it's, you know, same way you extract, you know, THC from cannabis, you have to use a fat because it's fat soluble. You can't just pull it off, right?

So I think that's part of what it does. I, you know what I do. So flossing is super important because that's where people will bleed in their gums is in between. So, you know, they'll eat their brush or teeth and they'll bleed is because in between their gum, in their teeth, their gums is in between. So, you know, they'll eat their brush or teeth and they'll bleed, it's cause in between their gum, in their teeth, their gums are in flame

because they haven't floss them. And they get so in flame that they stick to the tooth and once you kind of pull the gum away from the tooth up in the middle, that's where you start to bleed. So, flossing is important, but I, you guys use anything particular brush or teeth, they're just toothpaste. Just my thums.

Just regular. You ever sprinkled baking soda on it? No, but you could brush your teeth. I've done a powder that you had that one time. Yeah, you could brush your teeth basically. Baking soda. I love the use of baking soda. It's all those shoes that you're looking at right there that are like three years old.

We're clean by baking soda. What do you do? Yeah, it's my brother-in-law who's put me on the game, dude. Look at those things. Those things are three years old and they see how white the bottoms are. He cleaned them with baking soda. Just water baking soda on? Water based on like a toothpaste,

or a toothbrush, or a rag. Well, it always baffled me like the irony of most toothpaste have a ton of sugar in them. And see, dude, we're going through, and we're just adding sugar in between all the cracks of your teeth and like, what the fuck? Just because we wanted to taste good. You know, it seems so counterproductive.

They also put detergent in them to make it foam. So people love foamy toothpaste because they think that makes it, it means, oh, it works better. No, the foam doesn't do shit for you, just people like it. And they also will put some of them used, I don't know if they do it anymore,

but they used to put trickless an, which is an antibacterial. And so be like, you know, and you know, kills the bacteria in your mouth. And so you're putting antibiotics in your mouth like your fresh tea. That's what I'm saying. That's what people, some people do that.

That's gotta be terrible for your mouth. Well, not just for your mouth, but you know, if you gums do bleed, and now you're rubbing trickless in in there, they can't be good for you, right? They can't be good. No, and if you actually swallow it and all that stuff, no, yeah, I would go with a natural, an all natural toothpaste.

Baking soda's good, although I've had dentist clients of mine in the past, say it's a little abrasive for the teeth, but I don't know, have you guys ever had cavity? I've never had a cavity, have you guys? You neither? No, yeah, I've had cavity. You've had cavity? Yeah, a couple of times.

I think that has a lot to do with the pH of the mouth. I will say this though, there was a time, and this is also why I think that the dentist game is such a hustle. When I was a kid, my parents took me to the dentist and I had seven cavities. And I didn't feel, I didn't have, I didn't have pain, I didn't complain to me that that,

that it was like the semi, we didn't go annually, we couldn't afford to go annually, but we would go every few years when we could, my mom took us down there, and I think at this time, I'm like 12 or 13, and they tell me I have seven cavities. I was like, oh my God, well, my family can't afford to do seven filling, so we just didn't do anything about it, and I just continued brushing my teeth.

I'm nothing. And then the next time, which was a couple more years later, I didn't have any. I didn't have any. And so I was like, Oh, this is kind of interesting to me. So yeah, I might have got hustled because like, yeah, they put on, you know, they've did the fillers and everything else, you know, to make sure they drill and fill it with like it. So I've both my back teeth have like these fillings of them. So I did see a dentist later on when I,

this is when I'm older, this has been my mid-20s. One of the ladies that used to go to my poop camp was a dentist and she looked at my teeth one time and she was concerned, she said she goes, you know, you drink, I was drinking, this was back when I was drinking those rock star drinks all the time. That's, yeah, that's no good.

And it was, it was starting to eat away at the top. At the enamel. Yes. And when I stopped, it completely stopped. It was crazy what a difference that made me. But he healed itself, yes. Yeah, you can actually heal. Teeth is the thing.

You can actually reverse cavities. It's funny, yeah, because when I was getting my teeth done, like he was raving about how healthy my gums were and everything, and I was like that. Every, like I've always gone to the dentist and they've talked shit about my teeth. And I granted, they didn't look that great because I've been grinding them for all these years

and everything, but consistently, I would never miss a brushing teeth session. And maybe I've had some shit in my diet that I've contributed to, but not that crazy. Another thing too is, grain heavy diets have been shown, and some people have shown that that will contribute to poor dental health, and they think it has to do with the phytic acid that's in grains and some seeds and in legumes that are mineral blockers. They tend to prevent the absorption of minerals.

By the way, this is one of the reasons why brown rice isn't consumed that often in a lot of these third world countries. They find a lot of brown rice, they start to get mineral deficiency, so they remove the husk or whatever, which has got the fight of gases. Why do we even have brown rice? Well, brown rice is rice in its natural form.

It's easy. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. White rice is more processed. Oh, that's interesting. But it's one of the things. Well, here's the thing with grains. Grains, you have to process some, you have to do some processing to be able to consume until it's grains and their natural forms. You can't eat wheat off the stock. That's been a lifelong myth for me was that that brown rice was superior to white rice. It's not true. No, no, no.

I mean, if you measure it, yeah, it's got more, some more nutrients. I think somebody is still preaching that in the fitness community. There is people that do. Absolutely. No, I've had people that have told me, oh, I do this and have my brown rice and I'm like, why do you have brown rice? No, there's anti-nutrients in that. And if you consume lots of phytic acid, for example, you can, you can actually cause nutrient

deficiency. So, for people who have teeth, tooth issues, here's a thing. When people have bad, when they get lots of cavities, sometimes you can say, oh, it's your, you have bad, you know, oral cleaning habits. Sometimes people go in and they're like, man, I brushed my teeth three times a day. I floss after I have you meal. I do everything right. Why am I getting all these calories?

Look at your diet. Your diet is contributing to your poor oral health. And one of the things you can do is increase your fat intake, increase your fat soluble vitamins, reduce your grains. And if you can tolerate dairy, eat like raw dairy type foods, so you have that calcium and then see what happens and you may actually start to reverse all those problems. Next question is from Jamie Crisis. Do you feel it's necessary to follow a non-compete contract when you quit one place to train to

go to another? Is there anybody that makes you sign it? I feel like didn't we have that when we were at 24? I'm not sure, but like I know that it was there, like the fear. Well, okay, so when companies like that, you can't moonlight. Like, so if you work for, it plays like 24-hour fitness, or you have CGM, or golds, or any of these big chains, most of them, there's exceptions to rule.

I know some companies that don't care, like Club One doesn't care, but most of your big, big chains are like, no, you can't go and work for a company that competes with that. They say you can't private train either. Yeah, you can't do any like when we are 24 or finesse, you can't, you can't private train. You can't run boot camps. You can't do anything that's not, that's not involving them because, and I get it.

They spend, you know, $20 something million a year for advertising to drive leads through the store and like, you know, $20 something million a year for advertising to drive leads through the store and like, you know, is that fair for a trainer to take leads from there and potentially pivot. And so I have always understood that. Even when I was moonlighting myself, I made it a point to not get leads from the facility. Right. Yeah, when I left,

I mean, that was a big thing for me, just integrity wise, I'm like, I'm gonna try and drum my own business out myself. I mean, granted, like, old clients are gonna find me at some point, you know, it's not like I'm gonna turn business down, but I'm not gonna go through the old call logs and be like, hey man, I'm leaving, you know, and I'm here's where I'm gonna be at.

I actually think, from forget the non-compete, and should you follow it, is it allowed or not allowed? I think it's important that you do that to prove to yourself that you can build a business. Yes. If you're heading off on your own and you're quitting another facility and you're taking leads from that,

is it really you? Did you really create that business for yourself? No, you didn't. And that's hard for trainers to swallow that. Like, well, I'm the great trainer and I'm the one that reassigned on, they would never train, it wasn't for me, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you would have never got the lead. Had you not been in that facility. So for me, if I'm going to go out and I'm going to build a successful business, I need to know that I don't need that company to provide leads for many more.

So I want to prove to myself that I could do that. So fuck the non-compete part of it. I just want to prove that I can build a business. Well, that's your comfort zone. That being said, let's say you're a trainer at a large corporate general, whatever. And you've had clients for two, three, four years, which is not unheard of if you're a good trainer. What do you say to them when you, because when I left 24, I was managing gyms and I wasn't training clients, so I didn't have to have this conversation. So Justin, when you left, you went from working for 24 to private training. You had clients that had been with you for a long time. What did you say to them then?

I gave them a heads up, man. I was very honest with each one of my clients. I was trying to go into management for a while. And that was a direction I was going, but you know what, I didn't feel like it was a good fit. And I think that I'm just gonna branch off and see if I can do this elsewhere in another gym. And what I did right away was start asking them questions about other trainers in the gym,

who they see that might be a fit for them. And then I started conversations with other trainers. And then I tried to set them up and pair them off with somebody that really made sense for them because I know a couple other trainers that did that that actually got clients from, which I really appreciated, you know, and we built relationships. But at the same time, I was like, you know, this is happening. Like this is happening. Like this is happening. Like I'm gonna be leaving. And so this is an option for you.

And then I think I even, you know, kind of brought that to you. So I dealt, yeah, I dealt with this a lot, obviously. Training or leading trainers for, you know, eight years at 24. And I was different with every trainer. So I actually have, I've had it falling out with some of my trainers that I had really close relationships with because I got rid of them.

I fired them because the way they did it and I just didn't like it. I just didn't think it was professional. I didn't think it was fair and I think it was right. And I disagreed with it and they had a really hard time with it because then they'd seen how I let someone like Justin, like who, if you were a trainer and you worked for me and you came to me and you straight up said, hey, Adam,

I'm going to be moving on to a private facility. I'm going to do this myself. And you know, this is my plan, whatever. I would respect that and I would allow you to hang around and still work at 24 to finish contracts off and to potentially hand some some clients over or whatever. And I would allow trainers to do that. Now that's like a big no-no there. We were taught like if-

Once you know that. Yeah, right there. Yeah, I know. Yeah, kind of business. Right, all right. They treat them like investment bankers. Yeah, you're dead by your name. And then shut you out of the computer.

It's like Deadman walking. Yeah, no, that's so I know I had that power always to do that if I wanted to do that, but I also had built good relationships with a lot of my trainers like Justin and wasn't trying to hurt them and sabotage them heading over. But at the same time too, they have to recognize that they are potentially hurting me.

And if this is a two way street, like, hey, I know you wanna go do your own business, but you're also responsible for $10,000 a month of revenue that you have been generating for me at this. And if you take all of that with you, you kind of fucked me. So I had trainers that, for example, Ronnie was also another really good trainer mind

that I allowed this flexibility. And we kind of made this deal like, hey, I want you to drive new revenue all month long. I want you to take more fits than you've taken in a long time, drum up new revenue, pass them on to other clients or trainers, and we'll, you know, go off or say, always, and he did. He had a huge month for me before he left and we remain having a good relationship because of how he parted.

I allowed him to finish off contracts and even allowed in, of course, the company would, if they knew this, the company would be pissed at me for allowing him to take anybody. But that's just not how I did business. It's like, I believe that I got what I got out of him more than anybody else would have and by firing him, it would have hurt us more by just cutting him, cutting losses. But then I had other trainers who just completely would shut down at work would be talking, they already left. Yeah, they were would be talking, they were already left. Yeah, they were, they were, they were taking

negative about the company, you know, and trying to persuade all the people to come. They wanted to finish the contracts out, so it was an easy transition, and then they wanted me to be okay with all that. And I would be like, nah, and I would wait. I would wait to see how they would, I would look at their character, like okay,

like this is all about you, fuck me, like no one cares about me, but yet you want me to go against company policy and allow you to finish, so I would cut him, I would, I would say, hey, I know you put your one month notice in, but thank you for your service, today's your last day. Inevitably though, inevitably, you're gonna have the challenge of some clients

that you're gonna say, you know, hey, Suzy, you know, I'm gonna be leaving in a month through my own thing, I love training with you. You know, Susie, you know, I'm gonna be leaving in a month through my own thing. I love training with you. You know, what other trainers in here? Are you interested in? I'm gonna set you up with whatever. And inevitably some of them are probably gonna say to you,

I just wanna go, where are you going? I don't care, I really just wanna come with you. Yeah, what's happened? Did that happen to you? Yes, it did happen to me. You know, how did you handle that? I tried to, I tried to pump their brakes a little bit and say, hey, give it a chance.

Give this other trainer a chance. Like go through. And I was really just focused on myself and trying to market myself and make an impression. Because I transferred over to golds and then was trying to get the culture there. Which was private, by the way, you should've made it. It was private. So then was trying to like get the culture there, understand. Which was private, by the way, it was private. Yeah, so I was like trying to like figure out everything

about how I could market myself, like I could like get new business. And so I was just like camping myself there. And I really wasn't taking a whole lot of appointments, but you know, after a couple of months, like there was some persistent clients that just would, you know, like they would show up and they would talk to me and they're and so eventually I couldn't help, you know,

I couldn't help it. I needed business. So there was a few of them that that did find me and were lifers, you know, mainly the lifers, like the two or three, you know, lifers that were like, we're always going to fall in me everywhere. I went, but yeah, I wasn't, I just wasn't trying to be charkey about it. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. That's also the reason why he was successful is because, you know, Justin went over there and

proved that he could do that. I was like, I think it's, it's a very, very common thing to deal with. I dealt with this a lot, where, you know, trainers get to a point where they start doing well. They build up their, they build up build up their backlog or their calendar or whatever filled out and they have a nice... Within a big corporate machine model. Right. And then they start to get a little cocky and then they bitch about, oh I have to tuck my

shirt in, I have to wear my name tag, oh I have to show up at this time, oh I have to come to this meeting. That's funny, the stupid shit people and then they and then they start to just they they start to hang on all the things that they just think is so shitty about this place they worked as provided this you know 70 to a hundred thousand dollar income for them and they think they can go off and go do it on their own and 90% of them are fucking dead wrong sure they can go off and do it most of them I know a ton of them,

still out there trying to be trainers. I'll tell you right now, I know how busy they are. They were making more money when they were working for somebody else, man. They don't understand the business well enough because they didn't recognize. If you're too naive to see it while you're working there, you're too naive to go start your own business.

You're just not ready for it yet, because there's a part of that that nobody talks about where oh shit, when I go start this private thing, I didn't realize that I wasn't gonna see a thousand to 2,000 workouts every single day inside this facility, and no one would be helping me put leads in front of me every day, and how much of that

is important to your business, because they all see like oh have 20 clients and they all tell me they'll follow me wherever I'm so good They'll follow me where and and they think that's as far as they think and they go oh cool So I they can and they do the math right 20 clients paying this much per session Yeah, so they can go over to another private place They start to ensure they're fine for the first six months, maybe even a year. Maybe in a year and a half, they even, they even last out. But eventually, even the people that we call lifers and those clients, you think.

Some of them drop off. Some of them drop off, some of them get sick, some of them move, some of them lose their job. Shit happens. And now you have to find a way to replace them and then you're caught, you know, up shit creek without a paddle, man. Yeah, yeah.

You know, here's the other thing I want to ask you too, Justin, because you did this while you were working with Adam. What if you worked for just a shitty asshole manager? Do you think you would have been as? Yeah. Because I feel like if I worked in a company and I just hated like the place and the people that I, you know, I might have more of a tendency to be like,

okay, well, I mean the temptation would be there, right? Because, you know, fuck you. Like, you treat me this way. I'll take all my business with me. You know, like, I'm sure some trainers are in that situation where, you know, they can take advantage of that. Just, no, that kind of stuff, I mean, that follows you.

You know, like that type of mentality. So, I don't know. I think, I would have been tempted, you know, but I don't think you would have done it. I don't think you would have. Because it's still at the end of the day. And this is where I think people like Justin can see the bigger picture is that.

So if you hate the environment you work at, you really hate your boss. You don't hate the company. Like Mark Mastrop didn't do anything to Justin. Right. You know what I'm saying? Mark Mastrop. Right.

The man who created this opportunity for him who has Provided this place for him did no ill-welt him unfortunately for Mark master off There is 50 people between him and Justin as far as leadership roles And so maybe the the those three leaders that are above Justin may have put a bad taste in his mouth or made him like hate the company But for you again more more being naive for you to hate a company because you have poor management or poor leadership in front of you is again naive and stupid. So if you're going around bitching about a billion dollar company that's provided you a position because you have a shitty boss and a shitty boss is boss.

That's not a reflection of the company. That's a reflection of poor leadership there, which internally, okay, it can be a reflection of the company, but that's not Mark Mashra. It's fun. The guy who created all of it, and you're, by taking his leads elsewhere, you're a fucking him. You know what I'm saying?

So you've got to be somebody. What do people think they own that? You know what I mean? These are my clients. They're actually not. Contracts are not yours, the money's not yours, unless you train the session. You're an employee, so it's just not yours.

And I think when you get employed, you do sign something that says that, which here's the bottom line. If you say something, then follow through. I don't be as sleazy fucking urban. Yeah, you're gonna have people that are gonna like Justin said. I mean, you're gonna have people that are lifers that'll say like, I'm not gonna train unless I'm training with you. And that's up to them. And that's up to them and they will follow you.

And the great part about it is you ain't gonna really say much or do much. They will just come find you and they'll go wherever you're at. And it's a really easy transition for the rest. And for the other people though, that are trying to bring their people because they want to make sure they protect themselves financially. Those are the ones that are weak and that are gonna lose out in the long run because yet, shit gets hard when you're by yourself. I should see how 20 million times harder.

You should see how banks handle this with investment bankers, because they'll have their clients and their portfolios and then they'll want to go to another bank. The second they think they will shut you out, no communication, nothing. And you have to be very careful with how you talk to your clients about it.

That's how the gym business is like that. I just ran my operation differently. So again, there was a lot of things that I did. I'm like you, I think if people respect me, I have way better odds of them handling things with integrity than if they don't, even if I check on everything or put every safeguard in the world and play.

Right, I don't want to ever burn bridges. I've made that mistake. I think once when I was young, and I was like working for a restaurant, and I just wasn't able to get to work on time because my hours at school and I would hit traffic and I was always making stupid excuses. And then I basically was like, I quit on my own because I was just like, this isn't working.

And then I tried to get a job at that same restaurant that was closer, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be more convenient for me. Guess what, not hired. Yeah, but that's like, I didn't think that, oh, they'd communicate with each other. Weird. You know, like it's just stupid, stupid ideas.

I remember one. That's a great point too, though. Wasn't there a no-compete contract that Maastroph had to do when he left point first? I can't wait to talk to him about it. I think like the day after that she was up, right? Yeah. It was a five year non-complete.

He couldn't touch any other gyms around that any of these other 24's. And I do believe it was pretty damn close to the day. I can't wait till we get him on the show this month and to talk to him about it because I know that it wasn't long after that, did I see them on TV with the announcement with Dana White here at Salovina. She was, she Jim, you know, like oh she was. So I was bam.

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