Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 836: Building Muscle Mass While Performing a Physically Demanding Job, Fitness as You Age, Conflict Resolution & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand youry recovery, got in a car accident recently. He looks okay, so we hope he recovers quickly. Then we talked about 90s bodybuilding versus bodybuilding today. I consider the 90s to be the best decade of bodybuilding, probably because that's when I was a fan. But there are some differences between today and back then. Not sure I would debate you on that. Then we talked about the rest.

Starting point is 00:00:44 I'm just gonna throw that in there. Then we talked about, I don't care. The rest. I'm just gonna throw that in there. Then we talked about the Roundup lawsuit. So, Monsanto. Crazy. Lost a lawsuit. Apparently their product Roundup gave a man cancer. This is according to the lawsuit. So, they have to pay out $289 million.

Starting point is 00:01:00 First punch of many, hopefully. That's what I was thinking. It looks like it's the beginning. Then we talked about the guy who stole the plane In Seattle the airliner It did a nine years old barrel roll. Yes. That was definitely worth checking out the show notes for that conversation and then crashed into a into an island poor guy Yeah Adam has been adding egg yolks to his organified protein shakes, both for the extra protein and the extra

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Starting point is 00:02:30 Mind Pump TV brand new video, preacher curls or what your bicep workouts. Or the girls. Have been missing. You know, preacher curls was Larry Scott, the first Mr. Olympia, he made the preacher curl popular. That was like his exercise. No fun fact, little snaple cap.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Little snaple cap for you. Then we talked about going to House of Prime Rib in San Francisco, and we talked about our favorite restaurants. Then we get into the questions. First question was, this person's mother is 50, and she wants to start working out. Where does she start? Should she start with mobility?

Starting point is 00:03:03 Probably CrossFit. Strength, cardio. Should she start with mobility? Probably CrossFit. Strength, cardio. Should she start doing all those obstacle course races, CrossFit, pull dancing. We talk about it in this episode. Next question was, when we talk about the body adapting to cardio and slowing down to some metabolism by losing muscle mass, does that apply to somebody who is a very physically demanding job? So all you guys and girls out there who do construction work,

Starting point is 00:03:26 blue collar work, is your metabolism slowing down because you're so active all the time. The third question was directed at Doug, this person wants to know what it's like working with us quote, three knuckleheads. Yeah, Doug the jugs coming in hot. Screw you man. And the final question, How do we handle conflicts between the four of us?

Starting point is 00:03:48 Do we get into a cage and fight to the death? Do we arm wrestle or do we take our clothes off and the first person to get dressed loses? One of those things is not the answer the others are also not the answer But I find out what the answer is in this part of this episode. Also, I'd like to mention, Maps Performance, our functional training program, the one for people who want to be able to move amazingly and look amazing, 50% off. We took the price and cut it in half. You go to mindpumpmedia.com, use the code, green, and the number 50. So green, 50, all one, no space.

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Starting point is 00:05:20 Vigatron, summoning the power of soy. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, You get drawn so many in the power of soy Duck duck the duck duck duck duck duck duck the drug Dug the jug I feel like he's dug the jug it is dug the jug I can't look him is dug the job. Do you guys remember why we call him? Yeah, you guys remember why we call him dug the jug Do you guys want the story behind that because he like would pee in a jug? That's right right he was on a road trip He told us a story and there were no bathrooms and so he just peed in a jug. That's right, right? He was on a road trip. He told us a story and

Starting point is 00:05:46 There were no bathrooms and so he just peed in the jug. Was that was that what happened? Or was that the gangster like that? Yeah, yeah We're in Florida and my room was separated from the bathroom in order to get to the bathroom I had to go through somebody else's room and I didn't want to so I had a Water bottle and I took care of business so be be careful when you ask him for some kombucha. Yeah, just FYI. Hopefully it was one of those big leader ones because I know people that make the mistake

Starting point is 00:06:11 thinking that they won't fill up one of those little... Oh yeah, yeah. It doesn't take long to fill up a small bottle. Oh yeah. I think that takes some, you gotta aim real good. They're gonna spill. You don't wanna spill. God forbid he get the split stream.

Starting point is 00:06:21 Oh, that would be fun. Yeah, hold over the floor. Did now were you with him, Sal? No. Yeah, I was holding the bottle. Yeah. That's what I think. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah, all over the floor. Did now were you with him, Sal? No. Yeah, I was holding the bottle. Yeah. That's what I think. No, I wasn't there. I wasn't there.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Oh, this is like an old story. This is like a college story or what? No, this one's Florida. Yeah, we all started talking about this afterwards. The Doug is a, Oh, when we were in Florida, Oh, I was in all of us. Yeah, Doug's the Doug.

Starting point is 00:06:42 You became Doug the Doug at that moment. Doug's by far the most gangster. What house was that? What house? Florida, bro. Remember the house where we had the Florida more than once? It's what I'm trying to figure out. Remember the house where his room and my room

Starting point is 00:06:53 were connected by just a sheet. And he had to go through my room. I think it was my room. He had to go through to get to the back. Was that when we stayed up, stayed up, but the, have a lot. Yeah, the flat, right? Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:07:02 Not the brick building one. Yeah, I was thinking of the brick building one. Yeah, I was thinking of the last house that we were at. I was like, that doesn't make sense, I don't remember. But I forgot about that place. Doug is the most gangster out of all of us. For sure, for sure. He didn't look like it. Well, I learned that down at Burning Man

Starting point is 00:07:16 is the, you know, peeing the jug thing. And you've been there twice, right? You've been to Burning Man two times. I mean, because they have these porta-potties out there and you have to walk in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. What? Doesn't make any sense. You don't want to walk on the playa.

Starting point is 00:07:29 I just feel like, you don't know what's going on out there. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like every time we talk about Burning Man, there's something about it that will, so it will bring something up and I'm like, I really want to go. And then it will bring something else up and I'm like, yeah, I'm cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to go anymore.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah. I have these moments, right? Yeah, I know because everybody else is doing it. Remember how hard I was pushing it in the beginning? I was like, we gotta go be great for my play. Now I'm like, I appreciate a lot of the art there. You brought that one sculpture up and stuff. Yeah, it was pretty cool, right?

Starting point is 00:07:57 Yeah, I mean, stuff like that is fascinating to me to see what people come up with, but yeah, there's that other cultural part of it. It's kind of like, well, it's super dusty and dirty, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't do well. And yeah, there's a lot of, you know, and I'm not down with that part. I don't like dirt.

Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah, like it's dirty. Hey, one of our listeners took the advice of the French tip thing and he's, he's, yeah. They got their tonal. Good looking fit buff guy too, so it should work really well for him. Yeah, yeah, not working for him. Not in today's day, not working for him at all.

Starting point is 00:08:31 Actually, today it's not that weird, I guess. Yeah, as you say, he's probably just not unique enough. Well, so, and this is what, you know, I was kind of speculating his, you know, maybe, and he seems like a confident guy. I think he's asking, you can tell like the ways he's even asking. Like, I've had people do it, and then you could tell even the way they ask me about it, they're just like a confident guy. I think he's asking, you can tell it the ways he's even asking. I've had people do it, and then you could tell,

Starting point is 00:08:47 even the way they ask me about it, they're insecure. They're not getting a reaction. Right, and they have a hard time with it, but he just, he seems like, hey dude, I'm rocking this thing and I'm wrong with confidence. It just ain't working out the way it's supposed to work out, or like you say it is, but maybe you're right, Justin, maybe it's just, maybe it was cool.

Starting point is 00:09:03 It's cool. It was cool 15, 15, 15 years ago when I started doing it when like nobody was doing it. I think we're about five years away from, if you want to stand out at the pull party, you have no tattoos, no piercings. Right. You comb your hair to the side. You have like a fade. Yeah, you're not like a flat top.

Starting point is 00:09:19 And the girls like, oh, oh, cool. Like look at that guy over there. He's so different. He's so like masculine. Wow. He's so weird. That's so strange to see a masculine guy. He doesn't even he has a hairy chest and everything. Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, it might be, uh, it may not be cool anymore. I don't know. I might it's been a while since I've done mine. So I still like I like it. Keeps some clean makes my toes look better than what they would look like if I didn't do it. So I kind of messed up right there. Better than my gang green looking one.

Starting point is 00:09:45 Right, that's so that's part of it. You wouldn't be able to, they probably make up for your feet. I had my head. I feel like they did nice services. They wouldn't be able to work with this. You know what they do? They get the sander out of the back.

Starting point is 00:09:56 Get the sander out of the back please. And the blast shield. Yeah. Yeah. And get all the parts. They get the welder. Yeah. That's it.

Starting point is 00:10:04 Dude speaking of that. Speaking of messages, you the eye. The welder. Yeah. Dude, speaking of that. I don't want that. Speaking of messages, you guys know my Insta stories. I post funny memes and controversial shit half the time. All the time. All the time, all the time. Yeah, you get a lot of followers out. It just followed me for my memes, right?

Starting point is 00:10:18 But anyway, I'm constantly pushing buttons and I'll get a message here or there about the stuff that I'll post where I'll piss someone off a little bit of whatever, but it's actually believe or not Quite rare. Oh the fucking snowflakes. It's quite it's quite rare. Well I posted one today that I did not even think Half the time when I post a controversial Post today. I didn't see anything that was controversial. Exactly. Which one exactly someone to find it So you know, I'll post something,

Starting point is 00:10:45 and I know when it's controversial, I'll post it. Yeah, there's ones that you post, I'm like, oh, that's gonna ruffle some things. Yeah, exactly. Like the free speech one, I'm like, let's see what happens, and that's sort of a nice, depending on the students,

Starting point is 00:10:53 gets people's hair on fire. Oh, this is so fun. So what do we always say about the millennial generation and the younger generation? Right, we say how they're so sensitive, and it's a bad stereotype, right? Right, right. But they always prove themselves to be that way. So I did a post.

Starting point is 00:11:07 But it always plays out. It's the stupidest post of all time. So there's a post and it's got two pictures, one on top of the other. The first picture says it's got a picture of like Led Zeppelin. And it says the 70s, $5 to see the greatest. Oh, yeah, that was a great live and concert. And then underneath it, it's like a DJ in front of like a rave looking thing and it says the $2,000 to see a laptop. Live, right? Is that even controversial? No.

Starting point is 00:11:32 I got like five messages, bro. Really? From kids who are like, well, you know right now, like this is a, this is a, this is a, you know, a little bit of like get off my lawn type attitude, don't you think? I mean, what artist today? My response to them all was like, it's a joke. Yeah. Like, wait, what are you defending this? I'm like, you're only making yourself

Starting point is 00:11:50 a narapist. The force to defend it. Yeah. I don't care. It literally is a lot. I don't even get to how you get upset about that. Yeah. Because it's comparing an older generation to the newer generation. That's it. I think it's because they're a fent, they get offended so easily. It's like good, really good. Yeah. Yeah. That's. You're gonna pick up a fucking instrument. But who cares? Learned out a plot. I don't really care. It doesn't, it doesn't matter, right?

Starting point is 00:12:10 Oh, yeah. I mean, you could, you, it's no music. I'll make that argument. Right, it's just different, you know. But it's funny because I replied, I replied back to him, like, you know what's funny? I said, I did this to me, I didn't even know people would get upset. That's it. And I'm like, all you're doing is proving the stereotype that you guys get offended.

Starting point is 00:12:24 So easily. We got the easiest thing. Oh, how funny was that? Hey, dude, did you see the Aubrey Marcus man down the car accident wow bad one it looked like dude you both eyes messed up Let's talk his nose. I very very briefly talked to Kyle. I guess he said it's car got total. I don't know what happened though So oh you haven't smashed into like a tree or something. I don't know what happened though, so oh you haven't smashed into like a tree or something. I don't know Guard rail is what I really is what I'm okay, man That's okay. Thankfully's okay. He's out. Just got us it looks like he hit his face on the on the airbag roll hard Right, yeah, that's easy. Yeah, look yeah use airbags just an airbag Well, you know that knows the two black eyes

Starting point is 00:13:01 You know you're real careful airbags It's powerful in airbag. You know, I almost feel like eyes. You have two real careful airbags. You have the powerful. And airbag, you know, I almost feel like hitting my steering wheel might have been better. Now, I mean, when you look at how bad is it? So, you know how to get, in order to get the airbag out, because I talked to a client who got in a car accident in the airbag hand in. And she was explaining it to me,

Starting point is 00:13:18 because she's like, oh, I hurt my neck and I broke my nose when I got a car accident. I'm like, oh, my God, what happened? She's like, well, nothing, I just hit the airbag. And I was shocked too. Yeah. And so she says that she broke her nose and in black a car accident. I'm like, oh my god, what happened? She's like, well nothing, I just hit the airbag. And I was shocked too. Yeah. And so she says that she broke her nose and then black eyes just went like,

Starting point is 00:13:28 wow. So maybe you're right. So in order to get the bag out in time, because remember, accidents like split second, right. In order to get it out in time, they use a gunpowder. It's a lot of force.

Starting point is 00:13:38 They use gunpowder to get it out. And she says it felt like running your face into a basketball as hard as you could. That's how firm it felt. She says. Well, I can imagine, I mean, you see his black eyes, the broken nose from it. I mean, that's got to be the force on that. Instead of the brains.

Starting point is 00:13:53 Well, no, you're right. Or breaking your neck or whatever. I mean, I'm joking that my face hitting a steering wheel would be better. I know it wouldn't be, but I didn't realize that the airbags were that bad. Yeah. Because I've ever seen slow motion videos of people's faces actually getting hit by basketballs and stuff and you see how much the ball actually goes in. So it's like that comes out fast and hard

Starting point is 00:14:11 and it probably feels like you bounce right off. But, and it's probably made of a real thick material. It's not like something real thin that the air would blast through. So it's probably pretty solid. It's probably good, that's probably a good analogy that the- A lot of times people freak out afterwards because they'll smell the

Starting point is 00:14:27 Gum powder or whatever it is that uses to propel the The airbag out and they feel like the cars on fire or something like that. Yeah, that's pretty But as long as all right man, he's a really fit strong dude to some sure that helped him you know From getting any major for sure getting any major injuries I know when we're back in the day in the 90s when flex wheeler got an crazy accident You guys remember that? Yeah back in the 90s flex Flex Wheeler got into crazy accident, you guys remember that? Yeah, back in the 90s Flex Wheeler who was one of the best bodybuilders of all time, but definitely the 90s got a crazy car accident and then the doctors were like,

Starting point is 00:14:52 yeah, if you weren't as muscular as you were, you probably would have broke a lot of shit. He still is my all time favorite physique. Just appearance-wise? Just appearance-wise. Really? Yes. His symmetry.

Starting point is 00:15:04 He's definitely up there. I mean, Ronning Coleman's one of my favorite because of just how massive he was and how impressive he was. And with his strength and everything like that. So I'm a big Ronning Coleman fan. But, oh man, he's got. Wheeler had the most, the prettiest physique.

Starting point is 00:15:21 I mean, I think his balance, his abs and his waist, like he was right before all the guts started coming in. And so he had this incredible six pack and waist and his shoulders, legs, his symmetry was just insane. His best physique ever, because I love, I was also a huge fan of Flex Wheeler, but his physique over time started to get a little bit bigger. So, Doug, if you can look up, look up Flex Wheeler 1993 Arnold Classic. I love that shot.

Starting point is 00:15:52 That shot at him where he's looking down as one of the baddest shots ever. That third picture over where he just kind of slunched over, hanging over at that. He just had, you know what he had? He had cartoonish shape to his muscles. He had really small joints and his muscles were really long. So it went into, so the best version of him, in my opinion,

Starting point is 00:16:11 is his 1993 Arnold Classic win. And if you actually Google, if you look up the YouTube video of a dog, you can actually play him going through his routine. And so that third picture in where he's doing the twisting back double bicep, that's the Olympia, excuse me, that's the 93 Arnold Classic. His body was so sharp and I think it was the right size

Starting point is 00:16:33 because after that he started to get bigger to try and chase Dorian because Dorian was, first place all the time. You guys know what happened after Dorian left, right? What do you mean? So Dorian Yates, who was very dominant in the 90s, and he was just a mass monster, just a scary looking mass monster.

Starting point is 00:16:50 Flex Wheeler was supposed to be, was like the uncrowned Mr. Olympia. He was like the heir to the throne, right? Doreen Yates leaves the Olympia, and everybody pretty much is like, Flex is gonna win, guaranteed. Guaranteed is gonna win. That was the year Ronnie Coleman hit the stage

Starting point is 00:17:05 and looked the way he did when he came out of nowhere because the year before that, he placed like 10th or below, right? 10th. Dude, that must have been a shitty feeling for Flex as he knew he was supposed to be. Yeah, so you look at him posing here. This is the best version of his physique that I've ever seen.

Starting point is 00:17:18 And what's unfortunate, that kind of is the time when we started going away from like this gorgeous looking physique to just who could be the most impressive like the most massive by the way Google right now Doug Why can't I think of his name right now not big raw me but the other monster Rolly winkler. Oh, yeah, look at him right now in the office So everyone's talking about him right now is he is

Starting point is 00:17:40 on the off season. So everyone's talking about him right now is. And now he looks crazy. He is crazy, crazy looking right now. Yeah, all those guys over there are getting silly looking. Rolly Winkler. Thank you. He can do the splits. Yeah, there he is.

Starting point is 00:17:53 There he is on the other side. Yeah, the second one. The second video is his most recent like updated. Yeah. I think you did the first, yeah, that one right there. Yeah, he would, this is what he looks like. You know what's crazy though? Is he doesn't, he doesn't win a lot of competitions though.

Starting point is 00:18:05 He looks crazy, but then he doesn't see me. Well, look at that dude. The prediction is that this could be his year where he's going to be up there next to Phil Heath dude. I mean, I don't know how you don't give it to him. It looks like the Hulk man. He's a monster. You know, here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:18:18 Wait till he hits the stage because you know how many times I've seen bodybuilders, I know. And then they get in and they look crazy. Yeah. You know, a lot of them I think sometimes like better before they hit, they hit the, hit the stage. Well, bodybuilding is, bodybuilding, it's funny because you can divide bodybuilding by errors and you can clearly see when all of a sudden a new, like a new rabbit hits the scene that everybody starts to chase.

Starting point is 00:18:39 And it's like, takes everything to the next level. And you had Arnold, who was that in the 70s. And then you had, what's his name? Lee, Lee Haney, who took it to another level in the 80s, which was now everybody got even bigger. And then the 90s came. And that was the, that was when the era of the mass monster really started is when Dorian hit the scene. And you know, he looked, he gained like, I don't know how many 10 20 20 pounds I think like that over one year those those famous black and white photos of imposing and now and then Coleman

Starting point is 00:19:12 But now it seems like they're It looks like there's this new era of bodybuilder where they're just looking cartoonish to a whole not a level because Roli doesn't look it looks in human Yeah, it doesn't look good to me anymore, but I mean to eat saron, right? I mean, and there's always gonna be a place for this, because that's how we are as human, right? We wanna see who's gonna push the boundaries the further. So we always have this entertainment factor to it of I just wanna see how big these motherfuckers can get.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Like, almost like their skin looks like it's gonna tear at any minute from their muscles like pushing it out Okay, look at how impressive he looks right there. You know why he you know why he doesn't place hires because he's short I think that's what it is see I wouldn't say how they're standing all they're all short guys right there. Yeah, you know what though I will say this about bodybuilders of the 90s that because usually it improves every every decade They're not today and I'm sure I'll get hammered for this But they don't seem as sharp as they did in the 90s. How is hammer for that? That's a fact, bro.

Starting point is 00:20:08 You think so? Oh, God, it's a fact. Look at all, even as impressive as they look, look at their abdominal region, their obliques and everything. It's just not as put together as well. Well, you know why, though? I think that they finally stopped using diuretics the way that they did in the 90s,

Starting point is 00:20:22 because the diuretics were killing people. Like, they were taking shit to suck the water out, pharmaceuticals, and they were looking like you look at like Andreas Munster who passed away. Look at that guy when he was posing. He literally looked like, look, he had no skin. These guys are all still using diuretics, bro. But do you think they're using like they did back then? Well, I don't know. I mean, obviously, there's a bunch of dudes that start dying off and I'm sure they changed the regimen. Hey, maybe we should switch this off, but I mean everyone's still using diet, right? What a crazy, for sure.

Starting point is 00:20:49 Crazy sport. Dude, crazy, crazy lawsuit that has set a precedent with a Monsanto. Oh, yes. I'm glad you brought that up, dude. Did you hear about this? Yeah. 250 million.

Starting point is 00:21:02 89. Oh, 289 million. Wow. And this is just from one person. Like, dude. So he was a? 250 million. 89. Oh, 289 million. Oh, 289 million. Wow. And this is just from one person. Like, he was a school groundskeeper. Yeah. And he would spray the, you know, the grass or whatever

Starting point is 00:21:12 or the grounds. It was the roundup. Yeah, with roundup from his truck on windy days. And a couple times it would get all over him or on his face or on his body. And so he took them the court and said that, and then he got non-Hodgkin's leukemia. So his case was that the that the roundup is what gave him the cancer and he won. Now

Starting point is 00:21:36 $289 million for a company like Monsanto is literally- It's a sneeze. Yeah, that's like change inside the you know like in the in the in the couch, you know, you search for couch for change they find 20 that's how little it is. But that's not the point. The point is this is the farthest. That's they can attach the cancer to that, is it gonna be now, watch what follows that. There's like 40, I think something like 40 other losses. Yeah, watch what follows that.

Starting point is 00:21:55 I was real curious to sit in on that, you know, court case and see what kind of evidence they presented. So that way it was compelling enough because like to just say that it caused, that was one of the key factors. Cos cancer, it's great that they can attribute to that. I would love to. Imagine how much evidence there has to be.

Starting point is 00:22:14 First of all, you're innocent. Yeah, you're innocent till proven guilty. And then you better believe they have. You buy the biggest lawyers that you could possibly. Yes, you better believe they got a legal team to like surprise those by one after they won is crazy those biotech companies are some of the biggest most powerful companies in the world yeah and they're in all of them and they're connected

Starting point is 00:22:34 to the government they get lots of subsidies from our taxes to pay for corner pay for whatever um they have a lot of power so much power that when states tried to pass GMO labeling acts, the federal government passed the law saying you can't, that no states can do that. That's so much power they have. There's so much so absurd. It's insane, right? But this is opening a whole Pandora's box because now that this guy won, you're going to see other people who are suing Monsanto use the class action here comes use the playbook. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:23:07 yeah, and but here's the real thing because what they can do, they have so much money is they can just go in this and play this, you know, these games and it will be okay for them. But the more that these things hit the media and the more that people see them, the worse their reputation will be and the higher the demand for organic will be the higher the demand for organic will be, the higher the demand for non-GMO will be. That demand is, it's already exploding.

Starting point is 00:23:30 I don't know if you guys know this or not, but some places now are importing, which I find comical, importing organic food from China because our demand for organic has gone up so much. I mean, it's insane. How do they prove that? How do they prove that? or our demand for organic has gone up so much. Right. I mean, it's insane. How do they prove that? How do they prove that? Yeah, they don't need to prove. You could just see who's importing into our area.

Starting point is 00:23:50 No, no, no, how do they prove the source is truly organic? Oh, no, no, that's where you gotta, yeah, you gotta work. I feel like, yeah, I feel like that would be such a... Well, I've heard even. Great, that'd be a hustle, you would think, right? I've heard you have to be skeptical even from, like, just buying rice from China

Starting point is 00:24:03 that a lot of it is shaved pieces of plastic. They found that. What? Yeah, they've actually found plastic particles and rice and saw dust and other, you know, products and, yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you could get. I don't trust it. That's why I like it.

Starting point is 00:24:21 The best is like go to your farmer's market, some local, you know, homegrown shit where you can go You know the farmer. Yeah, you go walk down to his house We got farmer Tom did he's our guy Dude helpful farm helpful circle are we coming like we started off in this country like being farmers and like busting Or asses then we like created technology and we moved out of the farms into the cities and we're like we're progressing Now we're making enough money to we're like I want a farm, I want to own my own farm. So you can roll my own shit. Yeah, speaking of that, which one?

Starting point is 00:24:50 You evolved to D evolve. Who bought the whole pig? Who was it? I was just trying, yeah, I was trying to get you guys to do that with me, but yeah, we're doing that. So we're getting a bunch of cuts from, we're splitting it with another family. I'm not a huge pork fan.

Starting point is 00:25:03 If you do it with beef, I'm down. You're not a big baking guy, but that's a big bacon and sausage for days, dude. Like, because we got plenty of eggs, so that was the compliment to that. Yeah, but that's the whole pig, so you're not only gonna get sausage, you can get a bunch of other stuff.

Starting point is 00:25:15 We'll get a bunch of other stuff. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of pork. It's not my biggest fan of food. I mean, we'll do beef too, but that's more expensive, you know, to go in on that. Plus, that's a big, cow,

Starting point is 00:25:23 and you need like a freezer, like a huge freezer. You know what else they found? Speaking of plastic and stuff, you know what else? Consistently test for plastic. Sea salt. Because when they get, when they make sea salt,

Starting point is 00:25:35 what they'll do is they'll take, it's from the ocean. So they'll evaporate the water and collect the salt. But the oceans are so polluted. Dang. That when you analyze sea salt There's typically there's plastic in it. There's little bits of plastic So you're better off doing like Himalayan sea salt like Himalayan, you know salt or that is crazy Or good old-fashioned bucket, you know like the old-school I ocean is so vast and you're gonna have like that kind of contamination Wherever you go, it's crazy to me. Yeah, we fucked things up.

Starting point is 00:26:06 Yeah, we did. Did you guys see? Speaking of news, did you guys see the the kid the 29 year old guy the grounds keeper who crashed the airliner? That's crazy. 29 years old hijacks a plane and then by himself though, so that and of course they send up two jets right away like worried that it's terrorists. Yeah, it's, terracing. They have the whole conversation document between him and the controller and they're trying to talk him down to come back.

Starting point is 00:26:31 We should put that in the show notes. Oh, I will. I have Jacky Posts for sure in the show notes because it's not all the videos don't show the whole conversation. So I have the written article. So I'll give it to Jackie to post if you want to read it. It is crazy because the guy is his conversation with the controller is super calm. He's like totally, he's about to kill himself.

Starting point is 00:26:53 He's trying to do some barrel rolls. He does do a barrel roll. Now that you can watch on YouTube. Look at that right now. Look at this. Homeboy does, he just crashes right into an island. He does the barrel roll and it looks like it looks like about I don't know a few few feet off the water. I'm sure it's probably like 50 to 100 feet

Starting point is 00:27:10 But he does the roll makes the roll And then he actually crashes into an island over by Seattle Imagine being walking the lake Seeing a a a crow airliner that big do a fucking summer salt like that. There it is. Yes, dude. Well, here's the thing that gets them,

Starting point is 00:27:29 first of all, poor guy, or whatever, that's terrible. Yeah. He's some kind of mental breakdown. Luckily he didn't hurt anybody else. But here's the crazy part to me. How the fuck did he steal a plane? Is it that easy? Well, he works there.

Starting point is 00:27:41 He's passed all the securities. So, still, no, I know. Did's passed all the securities. So, still. No, I know. To get access into the plane and the cockpit. Is that a pilot? I'm the hub to get in there, take off. Yeah, there's gotta be like keys to get into that component. Really the keys.

Starting point is 00:27:54 Well, there's gotta be, yeah, but I don't think it be as hard as you think. There's gotta be how many times in every single day is there a single one person in coming in and out of a plane? Yeah, how did he turn it on and get it going? Yeah, exactly. All he's going to do is close it. Once he's closed it, then he's in there.

Starting point is 00:28:09 There's like buttons that just turn it off. Yeah, fucking my car's harder to steal. How do you get it? You just went in there and put a club on it. Right? Let's talk about this. Yeah. I don't look at all planes in the club.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Just to make fun of me the other day about having the club on my Camaro, right? He's laughing. He's like, oh, it's the club, dude. I remember that. I'm like, you know, it's funny is after my second vehicle was stolen I finally went out and bought that because the cop, you know, the cop who came and reported it on my second stolen vehicle Said he goes and I don't date crazy girls Car, he says that. He says that too. Look at, look at it.

Starting point is 00:28:47 Look how close they got. Oh my god. That's crazy. So he tells me that the best, so I've, I've got, I had like at that time that that vehicle, I had this badass alarm system on there that cost me a bunch of money. Still, they still jacked it, you know, with that on there. And the guy tells me, he says, yeah, if you, your best chance of keeping someone from stealing your car is by a club.

Starting point is 00:29:10 He goes, most of these guys that go out to go steal cars, they don't scope out your exact car, and then they, you know, they wait, they just, they're gonna go steal. They go break a window and they're hot wire. They go for certain model types that are easy to break into, and then they find them So they're looking for an easy in and out job.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Yeah, and a club is a pain in the ass. Yeah, and a club unless you got a hacksaw. Yeah, you need like a jigsaw with you and stuff like that and you know the time that it takes to do that is too much time and no one wants to do that. You know, it makes a lot of sense. You know, it's the other way that's great for preventing people from stealing your car. A shitty car. Drive a drift. Stick shift. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's great for preventing people from stealing your car. Have shitty car. Drive a drift.

Starting point is 00:29:45 Stick shift. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that they say that? Stick shift cars never gets, never gets stolen. Oh, okay. It'll make my life, it'll make it easier. I'll get the insurance money and I'll be like, all right, I'll finally get some.

Starting point is 00:29:57 I still have it to yourself. Oh, no, I was always like, I hope somebody steals the phone. You know, yeah, like please, you know. So, no, if you drive a stick shift, they're the odds of it getting stolen are so low because people don't know how to drive a stick. Yeah, yeah, it is.

Starting point is 00:30:12 I know, that is fun. I guarantee so many people don't even know what to do. Yeah, speaking of it, my cousin bought himself a 2006 Porsche Carrera, which is a fun to drive, man. You guys ever getting one of those little, there's a flat six, naturally aspired, you know, 300 something horsepower,

Starting point is 00:30:30 4.7060, it's fast, but the balance in the, yeah, it's a suspension, those are crazy. So fun, man. So fun. Yeah, I used to valet up at the Villementavo and there was like a fire road. And there was this corner that was like a hairpin turn. I mean, it was like, it was crazy and so I was like,

Starting point is 00:30:47 right. You know, and you'd always know which car had the best handling based off of that turn because we would hit it fast and hard. And the Porsche's outperformed in the other car I've ever drove. So, so fun. Now that I live right behind Capital Expressway,

Starting point is 00:31:02 Capital Expressway's got the two four lanes over by the car dealerships. Yeah. So this is my, like once I bring the Camaro out now, once a week, right? Back to driving it now that I've moved over to the new place. And it's like the perfect little, you know, I take it down and I go, I take a ride out of my place

Starting point is 00:31:24 and I've got the whole four lanes. And then I take a turn and I come back and and I go, I take a ride out of my place and I've got the whole four lanes and then I take a turn and I come back and when I turn, I fucking whip, you know. Whoooo! Right in front of all of this, I'm just waiting for my ticket. I know it's coming sooner or later. It's just too tempting, it's four lanes,

Starting point is 00:31:37 so I can't quite, I can't fuck it up if I try. You know what I'm saying? So even if I over-correct and whip into a full donut, I still have enough room to go. It's just fun, man. You know, like, come on, like, look and whip into a full donut, I still have enough room to go. It's just fun, man. You know, like, come on, like, look. And I do it at, like, have fun. I'm not gonna miss it.

Starting point is 00:31:49 It's four lanes, I'm whipping it around. There's no cars there, stop blind. I need to peel out my truck. Back in those days, those cars had very little safety. You know, things, you know, you're like, tanks though. I'm conservative when I drive it still, because you can feel that.

Starting point is 00:32:03 I mean, when you get on it in that car It's like nothing compared to any other car that I've got the cars So again talking about my cousin so my cousin asked him I said why'd you get this model? And he said because this this is everything is it's not super Electronic like the newer cars because what he likes to do? He likes to go to Vegas and he'll rent super cars. Yeah, you could do this for fun Oh, so he recently rented a McLaren and he'll rent super cars. You could do this for fun. So he recently rented a McLaren

Starting point is 00:32:27 and he's like, I'm like, how was it? And he goes, it's cool, he goes, but it's fucking, he goes, car drives itself. Everything is, everything's super high-tech. There's, it's not stick shift. He's like, it's, that's no fun. He's like, it's very different. And he goes, I like to feel the, I'm like that too.

Starting point is 00:32:41 I like to feel the road when I'm driving. So like, you're like your car atom atom, you have to know how to drive. I've always wanted to drive one of those GT40s. I've always thought that was crazy. You could do that, you go to Vegas, it costs like 500 bucks, you get it for four hours. Maybe we'll do that the next time. Yeah, that would be amazing.

Starting point is 00:32:57 That would be a fun thing to do the one. Because we've been talking about going out to Vegas for a while. Yeah, that would be fun to go to. Now I'll end up doing a few dual, dual, dual track day. Drive crazy cars. I know this is a terrible transition to go into. No, I'll end up doing a few little, little, track day. I drive crazy cars. I know this is a terrible transition to one of our commercials,

Starting point is 00:33:08 but I have to give you some credit here, Sal, because you were the one that turned me on to the, I turned you on? Yeah, you do a lot. Do it. The end of commercial. You guys. You get into commercial over now.

Starting point is 00:33:18 Sal, the Stefano map stuff. No, I'm a bathroom break. We'll drive back. The organifi shakes have become pretty consistent in my diet lately because we're on this challenge right now. And I started adding the three egg yolks. And it's great because it's won. It boosts the shake up now.

Starting point is 00:33:34 So now it's closer to a 40 grams, like 36 grams of protein. So I'm getting 36 grams of protein in there. And actually, I think it makes the shake taste even better. So I don't know if you got, I posted the recipe that I've been using, which is my blueberries, banana, and just do it. I just do it because of the cholesterol, bro. I really tell the difference. It's become my post workout shape.

Starting point is 00:33:54 So it doesn't leave you that once you said that for sure, it's helped. Don't you notice the difference? Is that wild? It is weird. Isn't that wild? So cool. I gotta give you credit on that. We're credit to do. Appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:34:05 Which one to use vanilla or chocolate? I use vanilla because I'm adding fruit and other things in there. So I don't like that. I'm not if you were to just chocolate by itself. Why, yeah, by itself with water, whatever, shake it up. Like it's cool.

Starting point is 00:34:15 But I doctor mine all up. I mean, I'm putting spinach and blueberries and bananas and everything inside of it. Dude, speaking of our sponsors, what was going on with Viori? Wouldn't they do making some big moves? What do you mean? Viori, weren't they? Oh, yeah. No, they just, they, they made GQ. They made New York Times and a bunch of big ass art. They're taking off. Taylor sent it over to me. I should look it up to give them

Starting point is 00:34:37 some love. You know, here's a, you know, speaking of Viori, right? And our boy Taylor. I mean, this is what I love about this kid. You know, is we, you know, we, he was on Viori over a year ago, you know, before, you know, before you was cool, before it was cool. Yeah. That's part of being cool, bro. It was being getting on it. You're welcome. That is, that's one of the things that I love about having Taylor on the team is that he is,

Starting point is 00:35:01 this was me when I was younger. I felt like I had this time to surf all the The no well back then it was a website. It was magazines and articles that you'd be reading and you'd pick up on new brands That were coming up and Taylor prides himself on being on the up and up list stuff like this in Viori I remember when he introduced it to me like listen This is a very on brand. He says they they're gonna rival Lulu lemon for the men's side and Lulu has not really done well in the men's department. That's how they're gonna start.

Starting point is 00:35:28 They're gonna make a name for themselves. I mean, he predicted and called all this like well over a year ago, and that's part of what we were doing. They're blowing up. Oh, they are. They're blowing up right now. They call, you know what they call that?

Starting point is 00:35:38 I didn't know that. You know what that category of clothes is? That Lulu Lemon, but now you have Yuri, which is like you have a lot of men's clothes. That's leisure. Athletic leisure. Athletic leisure. Athletic leisure. It's brilliant, because it's comfortable,

Starting point is 00:35:49 but it looks good. You can wear it out after the gym. Like you can still wear it out and get coffee and like do and stuff. And it's not weird. And we all know that Lulu fucking just ate up the whole market for women in that area. Everybody, you can't go out somewhere to the mall

Starting point is 00:36:04 or anywhere in public and not see a chicken, lew lemon pants at almost all times where there really hasn't been that market for men and Viori is doing that, dude, they're, they're stuff. I mean, you know, the women stuff. Yeah, I wear all time and Courtney loves their shorts. Like, she like prefers their shorts over any lew lemon. Really? Yeah, yeah, it just fits way better. Wow. That's like a nice, like, underlining that fits well. Wow, look at this. They project revenues for the end of 2018, of between 30 million and 50 million,

Starting point is 00:36:37 after already having grown 125% in 2017. So they anticipated 160% growth in 2018. They're all fire Yeah, yeah, it was great to see man So check this out this article just got posted this morning Google tracks your movements even if you've turned Location history off so they didn't investigation the system as because this is something that they said that they didn't do But they're finding that they do do they do do they do do do they do do. They're tracking anyway. They do do. They do do.

Starting point is 00:37:05 The investigation found that users are being misled by Google's claim that for those who turn off location history, the places you go are no longer stored. With location history turned off, Google apps automatically store timestamped location data without even asking. Of course they do. Dude. Well, like, so naive. It's like, of course, they track every piece of data. They want that piece of data. The thing you have to ask yourself,

Starting point is 00:37:30 though, is it more concerning or is it more exciting because of what it allows us to do? It's concerning because they lie. I don't care if they do it, as long as they tell us, but if they say they're not, and then they do it. Yeah, but if they do, if they do, it will, people, people freak out, right? Just say, yeah, if you tell people that, I don't think people are like, okay, cool. Like people are gonna ride away, push back on it, even if it's like the first step in this like,

Starting point is 00:37:52 yeah, but now we're gonna be able to do this for you. It's all building into the predictive analytics for everything. Well, I think all across the world. People are more likely to freak out when they've been lied to, not if they've been told. That's a bad move on Google's part. It is.

Starting point is 00:38:05 It's kind of like the, you know, ask for a bit of this. We can't wait that out though. We can't just set it for permission. Exactly. I think they weighed that out. It's like, ah, people will be pissed, but you know what? We're going to move forward. Wait till I see how cool it's going to be when we have all this.

Starting point is 00:38:16 Well, you know the whole conspiracy like, I was talking about something and next thing I know there's an ad for it. And I'm always thinking like, no, are they really doing that? Are they really listening for keywords and popping things up? So check this out. We watched the Sandlock the other day, which is on my Amazon Prime account. So it's mine. So I would expect if I saw a commercial for it, right?

Starting point is 00:38:34 Jessica, who, no connection to it, other than watching it with us and probably talked about it, all of a sudden she's getting ads for, oh, look what's up. Look what the Sandlock crew is up to these days. And she's like, what the fuck, why is this popping up on my phone? Yeah. It's crazy, but it's cool. I don't know if I like that.

Starting point is 00:38:51 I like that. I like that if there's stuff that I've been, I've been looking at it. Because people are so easily manipulated to do it around me. Well that's just a, you're gonna have to be savvy to that, which I believe the generation growing up right now

Starting point is 00:39:03 that it's growing up with this knows that. They're not naive to it. I hope so. And I think our generation in the old and even older are the ones that are the chicken littles about it that the sky is falling and it's like, oh God, they're gonna, no one gives a fuck about your life, bro. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:39:19 Nobody gives a shit. You've seen minority report. Yeah. Does that scare you? Because going and walking down the street, like in being able to have retina scans and all that, and like having things talk to you and like know that you're there, like, I swear we're building into that.

Starting point is 00:39:35 Here's the only, here's what worries me. Well, worries me is not that these private companies are doing that, because I don't know how far they can go in manipulating people. I mean, at some point, if they figure out like a hack with your brain and then they can really fuck with you, that'd be different. But so far, it's like advertising.

Starting point is 00:39:50 Fine, I don't have a problem with that. Here's a problem. The problem I have is the government gets really close to these companies. That's the scare. That becomes a scare. Now they use that to manipulate us and they have all that data. That's when I worry because they're the ones that...

Starting point is 00:40:02 Yeah, and they mandate it. Well, you could only be manipulated if you allow yourself to be manipulated. I mean, just because, I think you gotta be, you know what, history shows us that it's a lot, it's a lot worse than you think. I would think the same thing,

Starting point is 00:40:18 and we all think, oh, I wouldn't get manipulated. I know what I'm, I don't know, man, people have done crazy shit throughout history when you look back and go, how could you possibly allow that? Why would you guys do that? They were manipulated and it's not that hard, I don't know. I think it's, I feel like it's harder to manipulate now.

Starting point is 00:40:33 I mean, you can do it at a faster rate and two and two more people because of the internet and the abilities we have, but then you also have the, the accounturability as fast too. So I feel like, so I feel like there's always to be these checks and balances of when things get crazy and extreme like oh my god there I can't believe what's going on with all this hate speech and we're going to lose it we're going to lose a right pay attention yeah then there's going to be the other side of it that's putting that out there being like no we have to stand and there's always going to be the rebellion yeah the worry is yeah is. Yeah, that's for you. Hey, man, I'll tell you what. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:06 It's just like Star Wars. You warned us, George Lucas. A long time ago, you guys, like this regime was going to come in. So that's how the republic dies. And thunder supple is just like hate on me for that. I'm telling you, I'm a Jedi. Yeah. I don't remember.

Starting point is 00:41:24 I don't even contribute. You're fucking up out of good job. Yeah, it's all good. If you ever'm telling you, I'm a Jedi. I don't remember what I was talking to. You can treat me. She's fucking up out of good job. Sorry. It's all good. If you ever say Star Wars, it distracts me. I wonder if your wife knows that. Like, I could think about it. I wonder if your wife knows that trick.

Starting point is 00:41:33 Like, if you're arguing, you start to make a point. She does, she just throws Star Wars in there. Or he's pressing really hard for sex. And she's like, what's Star Wars? That's it. Okay. Wait a minute. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:43 Oh, okay. There's a new, yeah, they even like introduced a new, a Sith Lord. Did they really? They did, yeah. Already, this just got released. That was interesting. When's the next one coming, Justin?

Starting point is 00:41:55 Uh, was it next year, I believe? Not, not, and this one's supposed to be. Or is it the end, is it December this year? I think it's December of next year. Yeah. It's, it's nine. So yeah, the writing of the scripts for nine right now it's December of next year. Yeah. It's nine. So yeah, the writing of the scripts for nine right now and they brought JJ Abrams in to kind of try and salvage.

Starting point is 00:42:10 Good because the last one was a little shit happened. Oh, Darth Artrius. Priyant, Artrius, thank you. Darth Artrius. It's called. He has two of those like medieval look in them. Oh God. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:22 So that's kind of new set, Lord. Yeah. Well, they're putting them in cannon. So they don't know exactly where he's going to fall in as far as like. Dude, this is so going to be starting to write this is so going to be the marvel. Yeah. Of course. It's they're using the same playbook. Same playbook. Dude, I mean, this is going to go. There's going to be which 30 of these things. Yeah. It's just good. It's just bad. I don't know yet. You know, I don't know. Like it's going to exhaust. I think a lot of the fans because it's just like, okay, I mean,

Starting point is 00:42:47 I got younger generations. They're trying to, it's brilliant. It's brilliant on their part. It may lose the 30, 40, 50 year olds. But they're gonna lose you guys anyway. Exactly. They're gonna lose you. You guys have to stay with the main theme, right? The skywalkers and, you know, I want to, that's kind of like where I, where I stay. I thought that they were making another predator and it looks like, are they trying to remake it or is another sequel to the shitty sequels that they've done? Oh, really? Another predator, huh? I thought it was maybe a prequel.

Starting point is 00:43:15 Is it? I hope, I would love it if they would go back to like predator canon, like when Arnold was in there. Because after that, it just went to predators was, was, actually it wasn't a bad movie is just that like I didn't like the actors in it Yeah, I mean part two was actually pretty remember with Danny Glover. Yeah, it was okay. It wasn't Arnold It wasn't yeah, but then after that it just got it just went to shit So I did more than two yeah predator You know what predator versus alien got aator versus alien got a lot of shit,

Starting point is 00:43:46 but I actually enjoyed it. I liked it. It's in my movie collection. It's in my movie collection. Yeah. That was a jam. Yeah. It's not that it wasn't that great.

Starting point is 00:43:54 I liked it. I don't know. The first predator was so brilliant. It was so smart. The makeup was smart. The effects were smart. I mean, that was the, remember the invisible effects that the predator had?

Starting point is 00:44:04 That was bad. When was that movie made? I know. What was that 1980 something? Yeah, and then they had the thermal camera, so you only saw like the heat map of somebody walking around. Fucking brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. And you know that military now has shit that does that. Yeah. I know. You know what I mean? It's pretty cool. Hey, I had a great time with you guys this weekend over at the... Oh, yeah. House of Prime Ribs. How come I had a great time with you guys this weekend over at the house of prime rib. How come I never heard of that? Shout out to Jessica for hooking that one up because she, it was her client, I think that told her

Starting point is 00:44:32 about it, right? And then she hooked us all up with it. That was the best prime rib ever ever had. Now, let me take some too. Like prime rib is a big deal in my family because we're my best friends family who I have, I used to have Christmas with every year. And that's like the tradition is that you have prime rib.

Starting point is 00:44:48 My mom couldn't really do that. Yeah, so we eat a lot of prime rib and we go get some crazy expensive one and I both sides of my family do this. And so I've had some great prime rib in my life and that was the best prime rib I've ever had in my life. It might even be for me the best piece of meat. Yeah, it's so good. It was really good.

Starting point is 00:45:09 It was so tender, so juicy, the horse radish that they gave me was incredible. Then you guys were, everybody was raving about the cream spinach or whatever. Yeah. That place was so good. No, I'm already were talking about running it back. I took a train. Oh, we gotta go back there again. It was so good. I, I'm already were talking about running it back. I took a train.

Starting point is 00:45:25 Oh, we gotta go back there. Yeah, that was so good. I had a good time after words, I know you guys left early. Why did you guys leave so early? We guys tired from all the moving and stuff? I did, I had no desire to drink. Yeah. You get to hang out.

Starting point is 00:45:36 No. No, you should. I'm not a fan of that, dude. I'm not a fan of, cause I'll drink. Yeah. Cause I'm not a fan of being the only person to have. Really had like two drinks. Doesn't matter. In a bar environment, I want'll drink. Because I'm not a fan of being the only person. Really had like two drinks. Doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:45:46 In a bar environment, I want a drink. One, yeah. And if we weren't in a competition, I 100% would have, and Katrina and I would have drank. For sure. That was, we had a good time. And that's, I mean, that to me, like we're in the middle of this competition,

Starting point is 00:45:59 we're at the halfway point. It's all in record too. It's gonna suck if you lose after talking so much. I'm not drinking. I'm like, wow, I drink too. I's gonna suck if you lose after talking so much about drinking. I'd be like, wow, I drank too. I'm not really worried. I knew it wasn't gonna happen. Doug is the only one I'm worried about man.

Starting point is 00:46:10 He's like an oak. He came home with me. You know what I'm saying? I bet you would. You probably went to the gym afterwards too. He was standing in the side of that. He went home with you because you gave him a ride. Yeah, they're choice.

Starting point is 00:46:21 No, I asked him. I said, you want to stay with the kids and play Doug or what? He said, dude, didn't take much. I was pretty smashed. Bro, it's like two drinks. Yeah, we choice. No, I asked him. I said, you want to stay with the kids and play dog or what? Dude didn't take much. I was pretty smashed. Bro, it's like two drinks. Yeah, we were tipsy, but he took us, Justin took us to this bar.

Starting point is 00:46:32 What's it called, Tonga? The Tonga bar. Have you ever heard of this bar? In San Francisco? If you're, it's like you're in a, in a, in a, almost like a jungle inside. Yeah, they have like water and it rains.

Starting point is 00:46:42 Yeah, there's thunder and lightning and shit going on in there. Pirate thing. Oh, it was really cool. Yeah, see look at the pictures. It's a theme bar. It's crazy. It's we had it we had a good time. We're having good conversation. So just it was me, Justin, Courtney and Jessica, and we're all hanging out and Jessica and Courtney are having a great time conversing and Justin and I are laughing. And next thing you know, the girls are talking about pooping. The whole time. Oh, yeah. Yeah time. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, I feel so good after having a good, oh you gotta try this. And they're totally wrapping off each other having a great time and me and Justin are looking

Starting point is 00:47:12 each other like, man you imagine if this was like a first date. Oh yeah, our girls are just talking about how good it is to take a nice poop. Yeah. That's not typical. No, not at all. So happens. Did that kill the sexual vibe for later on or what? No, that's not typical conversation. No, not at all. So that's what happens. Did that kill the sexual vibe for later on or what?

Starting point is 00:47:27 No, nothing. Nothing goes that way. No, no, no, no, no, no. You guys were both on a mission for that. Mine's sober once itself. Okay. Yeah, we heard trying else. Help her out.

Starting point is 00:47:37 Yeah, that's gonna get you lubed up. No, but we had a really good time. Great dinner, great drink staff. No, it was fun, man. Maybe we'll do as we're running out. We'll run that exactly back when the comp is over and then we'll fucking go out and we will plan to go out and drink afterwards. I just want the prime rib, man.

Starting point is 00:47:54 That was the best fucking, I got the, I got the king cut and then I had them sear it. I literally could ate two of those. I was like, you know, ate the excess, like we give you a little slice after that too. I could have eat in like a whole another one. Yeah, I was in the salad was good. Everything. I've zero complaints about everything from the service, the atmosphere, the, I mean, it's expensive. Right. So it's, I mean, if you, if you're going to pay, you're going to spend like 50 bucks a plate. That's what it was. Well, you notice that too when

Starting point is 00:48:23 the menu is super simple like that, they master it. Well, you notice that too when the menu is super simple like that. They master it. Well, you know, and they don't have that many items to choose from. That's a good point. That's a very good point. I've been to restaurants like that in Italy where there's restaurants in Italy where you go in. Yeah. And they have one, it's one thing. And everybody's getting it. And you sit down and then there's some of your best restaurants are like that. The menu comes of one sheet. That's it. I'm saying like that's you have a couple of my favorite.

Starting point is 00:48:48 No, I was another. They give a shit. What are some of the best restaurants you guys have ever been to? Ever? Yeah. Or would you place at the top? Well, so it depends on what I'm going for, right? So my favorite filet is at the grill.

Starting point is 00:49:00 My favorite rib eye is at the seller. My favorite fish. How, where's my favorite fish that I have? You know what it has an incredible red snapper is actually on Santana Ro. Sino's red snapper is amazing, even though I wouldn't recommend that normally for a fish place, I probably recommend somewhere like in Monterey or like that,

Starting point is 00:49:24 but those are, you, it's a great, You know cheap great restaurant that we yeah a lot is Orchard City Kitchen. Yeah, they are they there and there are you prices great with great prices It's it's farm to plate. It's a rotating menu It's a very simple menu, too. There's not a lot of things on it, but it's always rotating. So like even like, and there's only, there's one burger there, but every month, it's a total different burger. And then the whole, the whole dish is compliments. So the French fries are seasoned to compliment the burger. And like everything compliments each other really well. It's really, really good. And it's not that expensive.

Starting point is 00:50:01 So it's a common date place for Katrina and I. I've been to, I've been to a few few because I love going to really nice expensive restaurants. I love the experience. So I've been to a few really nice places. You know I went to the what was that the Ritz in Paris when I when I visit when I was in France. That was amazing. I've been to like Florida Lee in San Francisco and was at French laundry and. But the the one restaurant and I don't know the name of it,

Starting point is 00:50:25 because it was a small little place in the hills of Southern Italy. This was when I was married. We would go to my ex-wife's town, and the way her town works is it's on a beach, so you have all the restaurants that are near the beach, and then if you go up to the hills, it's a different feel, and that's where the original

Starting point is 00:50:46 town was built, and then the rest of the town kind of built down towards the ocean. So we went up to the hills, and we went to this restaurant that it was inside this, I mean, like I said, it was a tiny little place, and everything was fresh from their gardens and their animals. So they bring out this cheese plate and that cheese is they made themselves and the meats and the salamis they made themselves

Starting point is 00:51:08 and then they're bringing us these mushroom dishes that they collect in the hills themselves and lamb meat. And we ate for like three or four hours, the best meal I've had in my entire life. Really? Yeah. You ever do that? You ever eat for like four hours?

Starting point is 00:51:20 You ever sit at a restaurant and eat for like four hours? That's how it is. I've done it all the time. I've done it all the time. And you're up, that's how it is. Like if you actually think you're gonna get in and out there, It's the only way to do it. You get all irritated.

Starting point is 00:51:31 They rarely come back to the table. They leave you for like 20 minutes. They come back. You see the way to Rothstein's smoke? Yeah, dude. Like Americans are like, what the fuck, dude? Can I get a bill or can I get a refill? They don't bring you your bill unless you ask them either.

Starting point is 00:51:44 It's super rude over in Europe, it's considered. Yeah, whereas here they bring you the bill with you. Yeah, they'll let you sit there all day long. And that's, it's common. It's common for people to do that to sit there and then some of them will smoke in between like, you know, courses, it's funny. But those are the meals where they're,

Starting point is 00:51:58 you're painfully eating like towards, I mean, two hours into it and I'm like, I don't know if I'm gonna have that five, six course meal at that point. I know why the Romans had volmeteriums. You know what volmeteriums are, right? The Romans used to fucking party so hard and eat so much food at these parties

Starting point is 00:52:11 that they'd go to these volmeteriums and make themselves throw up so they could eat more. That's the definition of excess, right? That's what they used to do. Yeah, they were actually called, I think that's the name of it, volmeteriums or volmeteriums. Remember the exact name. Vometerium.

Starting point is 00:52:23 But they were actual rooms. That's what it was for. So when you're out, when you're hanging out, and everybody's drinking and eating and drinking and eating, and then you're like, I can't eat anymore. Go to the vomiterium, whatever. What do they call that bulimia? Yeah, that's what they call it nowadays.

Starting point is 00:52:36 So that's what it was back to anybody. The fact that when it was cool, they called it something. The fact that it was cool. But that's what they would do, it's like. It's time. Yeah, but I'm like, I get it when you eat these huge, massive meals. I remember afterwards, we got back to the house, and I laid down in the bed, do. It's like, yeah, but I'm like I get it when you eat these huge massive meals

Starting point is 00:52:45 I remember afterwards we got back to the house and I laid down the bed and I was just like I What I do again. Yes, I totally would do it again This quas brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge.

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Starting point is 00:53:32 Mobility and strength over more cardio focused, prioritizing correct form over increased movement. The typical formula to follow when you train anybody, okay, not just somebody in their 50s, but anybody when they first start working out, it starts with correctional exercise always because you want to set that's the irony of this, right? It's like it doesn't matter that she's 50. Of course because she's 50, it's even more important, but it really is how everybody

Starting point is 00:54:02 should be focused at first. Everybody should be trying to work on, you know, I just got into this, like, thing back and forth on YouTube over the bicep shoulder flexion thing. And I was explaining to this guy, like, absolutely, that that's part of it. Like, it's impossible to not incorporate the shoulders

Starting point is 00:54:19 in a full bicep flexion, right? I said, but teaching that to somebody who doesn't have really good sound mechanics will force them to probably let something else take over. And so teaching them really strict mechanics first, then you can get away with other types of tips and movements. And that's just from experience.

Starting point is 00:54:37 And the same thing goes with something like this. Like, you know, even somebody who's 20 or 30, they should be doing these exact same things too to start off before you do anything high intensity or before you go after cardio or before you do cheat sets or before you do, you know, anything like that, right? Yeah, if you don't set a solid foundation with good movement to begin with, all you'll be strengthening later on is bad movement or not ideal movement. So I want to kind of reiterate that so it makes better sense to people. If you don't sit there and focus on correctional exercise that they have ideal movement, what

Starting point is 00:55:12 will end up happening is you'll take them through a workout and you'll build strength. And they will get stronger. They will get stronger without correctional exercise. The problem is what you will be strengthening is how they move, how they've always moved, which if they're deconditioned, how they're moving is probably highly likely to be not ideal. And what you don't want to do is strengthen a bad movement pattern because it only increases risk of injury and pain and joint degeneration. But besides all that, even let's say somebody just,

Starting point is 00:55:45 you know, has the best luck in the world and they strengthen poor movement patterns and they never get hurt fine. But you're still not gonna be able to achieve what you can achieve, strength wise and performance wise and building muscle and fat loss wise because ideal movements encourage better ranges of motion which are better for muscle development,

Starting point is 00:56:04 strengthen all those other things. So you always start with correctional. Well, on it's talking about mobility as a focus too, I think some people have like a misconception behind that as far as like trying to increase the goal, increase range of motion. No, the goal is to get your joint to function the way it's properly supposed to function and to be set in place to where like it has all the supporting muscular activity to kind of also slow down movement to adjust for forces that are exterior to you.

Starting point is 00:56:34 So really what we're doing is we're trying to fortify the joints through taking it through ranges of motion and taking it through activity. A lot of times it's just the fact that you're just not active in certain directions and movement wise. And so your body doesn't respond the way that it should and the way that it's properly set up to perform. And so to be able to go through that process and kind of figure out and identify, the problematic type of movement patterns you've established

Starting point is 00:57:04 just by everyday life. Like it's just, these are all things that are very important, especially going into your 50s, your 60s, and then so on. I remember when I first really put this together, although the certifications do, any assembly is a good job of teaching this, they teach correctional exercise before anything else,

Starting point is 00:57:20 but I remember when I really put it together, and I will start training clients, and you know, because what happens when you get a client is you want to show them results right away And that's what they want and so you do your correctional exercise But then you would also make them sweat make them sore because you're trying to make them happy And I remember when I started really putting it together later on as a trainer and just saying look I'm to myself like I am Not benefiting them at all even though I'm doing this to placate them It's not benefiting them at all and so I just was doing this to placate them. It's not benefiting them at all.

Starting point is 00:57:45 And so I just was stuck to my guns and really focused on correctional exercise. And the results they got was better. It actually happened fast. I was going to say once you put that together, you realize that you can get them as good of results just as fast if you just do some other things. Like for me, I had the exact same feeling style where I was trying to appease what they wanted right because they come in and they say, oh, I just want to lose 15 pounds.

Starting point is 00:58:07 Do you know better that they're not moving properly and there's other things that need to be addressed? And in the past, I would default to that because I was afraid I'd lose a client and I wanted to reassign them so I needed to show them the scale going down or whatever. And so I fell victim to this many, many times. Until I realized like, shit, if I could actually just

Starting point is 00:58:24 getting them moving better, balance out their nutrition correctly, and then increase their knee or movement back then I wasn't aware of me, I was just telling them to walk and move more, you know, and move more properly. They would see as good of results if not better. And just as quick really too. So it's kind of, maybe if you just looked at it a snapshot of one or two weeks, but over the course of six weeks, eight weeks,

Starting point is 00:58:46 12 weeks, I can show somebody just as good as just as much improvement and change in their physique without ever allowing them to go out and run. And that's probably the worst thing that she could do is to run. Oh. I mean, running at that age more than like, I mean, unless she has like perfect running,

Starting point is 00:59:03 which yeah, running like, yeah, it is unlikely. And if it is, we probably would, if she's got great running mechanics, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion probably. So, you know, and this is why too, I highly recommend prime because prime one has the attest in there. So you can test her movement, her mobility. And then it has fortification sessions. So there's sessions in there to help her do exactly what Justin was talking about. You pair that with a program like MAPSANabolic and that's the perfect program to start almost anybody, but most certainly somebody who's 50 years old that you're concerned about. Here's an example when I'm talking about, or when we're mentioning movement patterns and

Starting point is 00:59:39 stuff and how your body, if you strengthen the wrong movement pattern, you'll get better at it. And your body, your body is always trying to aim to become better and more efficient at whatever you do the most of. Okay, so I'll give you a good example. You, a human being, the average human being, through practice can throw something faster and farther overhand, right?

Starting point is 00:59:58 Like, overhand is the ideal way to throw something for a human being. Now, if you were to take a softball player, a female softball pitcher, I bet you she could throw faster and harder underhand. And that's because she's been practicing that movement pattern over and over again. Does that mean that underhand pitching is superior

Starting point is 01:00:17 in terms of speed and distance? No, her body just got really fucking good at doing it that way, because that's how she's always practiced. And so my point with this is if your mom is moving in a way that's not ideal and you don't do correctional exercise with her, she will get stronger, she will build muscle, she will improve body fat, percentage and all that stuff. But the problem is that she's going to get stronger in her bad movements and the way

Starting point is 01:00:40 that she's moving now, which is if she's deconditioned, it's not a great way to move. So she'll still get results and this is where people get confused. People say, well, I didn't do that. I get great results. And I don't train my clients that way and they lose weight and get in shape. Well, sure, but risk of injury goes up and you'll never reach your full potential. That's the big one. The big one is that there are movement patterns that will allow you to reach further heights than other movement patterns.

Starting point is 01:01:05 And if your goal is to progress long-term and to continue to improve and feel better over time, especially as you age, there are movement patterns that are superior to others. And you have to solidify those early on in the training. You have to do that in the beginning because I'll tell you what right now. It's easier for me to give to correct imbalances and decondition people than it is to correct imbalances in highly conditioned people. Highly conditioned people are a fucking monster. Have you guys ever had an athlete?

Starting point is 01:01:33 I had a pitcher, I had a high school pitcher who came in who was pitching his whole life and had such a crazy disparity between his right and left hand because he's been pitching since he was a child. Do you know how hard that was to correct? Because he'd been doing it and training it for so long. I would have been better off had he never pitched at all.

Starting point is 01:01:51 I would have started him off in a much better position. And so what you don't want to do is skip that step, train your mom, get her strong, whatever. And then she later on say, my shoulder hurts, my knee hurts, my back bothers me. Now you're doing this whole reverse thing where you're trying to figure out, okay, how do we correct them balances? We got a reteacher at a squat, we got a reteacher at an overhead press because they're moving. And now you're in this uphill battle. It's really, really difficult.

Starting point is 01:02:14 Well, this is also why, too. We've always talked about our programs being moldable and that we encourage people to modify them for specific people. I don't know what your 50-year-old mothers and balances look like, and I wouldn't know that until I took her through, I could test like prime, but once I'd figured that out, and I knew, and I would use that tool like prime and prime pro, they're both designed as like a tools

Starting point is 01:02:36 for you to complement these programs. I then go and I go, okay, X, Y, and Z are the three movements that's going to help my moms and balance out. So I'm going to help my moms in balance out. So I'm going to now implement those into maps red. And maybe I'm gonna get rid of the trap, exercise, and maybe the calf raises or something because that's not really gonna benefit my mom that much.

Starting point is 01:02:56 And she'd be far better off doing these movements that are going to help correct her in balances. And so I'm gonna, and then I also, I'm still gonna strengthen her because I know the benefits of that health wise and muscle wise and metabolism wise and I'm gonna do for her. But the same time too, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do program these other exercises

Starting point is 01:03:14 that are specific to her. It's really like, I look at it as building up this ritual that they carry on with them going forward because of, to counter basically, all the life that they've done before that. It's like, okay, here's what you need to do on a constant basis just to counteract a lot of those effects, but you still need to train, you still need to add load to the joints and to make sure that we get that resistance training in.

Starting point is 01:03:42 But this is going to be part of your thing every day now. Yeah, yeah, if there was one message that I could, if I could just sell this better than any other message, I would be so happy and that's this. A long time ago working out, so you exercise used to be about skill. So used to go to a gymnasium. It's a long time ago, by the way.

Starting point is 01:04:01 We're talking about way before I start working out. And people would go in there to perfect and practice movements. So if you were trying to go to the gymnasium, it wasn't about getting sore and burning calories and sweating. That was never the idea. It was getting good and moving. Yeah, I'm gonna go in there.

Starting point is 01:04:16 I'm gonna learn how to do a parallel bar dip or I'm gonna learn how to do a handstand. Try some rows. I'm gonna learn how to climb. I'm gonna try it. Then it turned into, once we realized you're burning calories, once we realized, oh, you're getting sore and building muscle, and that's the side effect, then it became,

Starting point is 01:04:31 you're not going to the gym to learn skills, you're going to the gym just to get sore and sweat, and so that's what happens. People go to the gym, and they don't think about skills, they're thinking about, oh, I'm gonna sweat and get sore because I want to look better and burn more calories and all that stuff. Well, that's a mistake.

Starting point is 01:04:45 If you treat exercise like it's skills, like, okay, I'm going to the gym today. Here's my workout. You're looking at your exercise. Okay, I want to perfect my squat. I want to perfect my press. I want to, you know, perfect my overhead press. I want to perfect my curl. And you're practicing this skills and trying to get better at them like you would, any

Starting point is 01:05:00 other skill, like you would if you were learning how to roll or blade or, or, or skateboard or whatever. Where, if you're trying to skateboard, do you go if you were learning how to roll or blade or or skateboard or whatever where if you're trying to skateboard Do you go out and get on a skateboard and just go you know crazy to get sweaty and sore? No, you go perfect the skill of it if you treat exercise that same way Far better results far better results and you'll many times you won't get trapped in those you know those traps that people get you won't get trapped in those traps that people get stuck in where it's all about getting sore and making their bodies painful because you'd go in and you would just be like, oh, my squat is off. I got to perfect my technique and just practice it like any other skill. Boy, the results will be so much better, way less injuries, and you get that consistent progress

Starting point is 01:05:40 for a long time rather than hitting those plateaus that people get stuck in because they don't view workouts as skills. Right. Next question is from Kelsar, the magnificent. Kelsar, the magnificent. When you speak of the body adapting to cardio and resulting in less muscle mass and a slower metabolism, do you think the same would apply to someone with a very physically demanding job?

Starting point is 01:06:03 Okay, so 100%. Yeah, it would, but I will say with a very physically demanding job. Okay, so 100%. Yeah, it would, but I will say this because a physically demanding job tends to be spread out throughout the entire day, because they've done studies on this and they'll find that when people do cardio at one time, like an hour or two hours at once versus 30 minutes split up or 20 minutes three times a day, it's your body is adapted faster. Yeah, they find that the splitting it up results in more fat loss and less of that muscle down regulation or whatever.

Starting point is 01:06:31 So yeah, I mean, you're gonna get your body adapts or whatever you do a lot of, your body eventually gets good at it and you burn less calories. But that doesn't mean you don't get the benefits, the health benefits. That's the thing I'm gonna be doing. There's still blood flow, there's still oxygen moving

Starting point is 01:06:45 to there that means more nutrients can get to your muscles. Yeah, there's better posture probably because you're moving around versus sitting down in a desk. Yeah, because we make the case about the slower metabolism with cardio and I think people are now so scared to do cardio because of that and I'm getting these messages and it's like, look, if you do some cardio and activity throughout the day,

Starting point is 01:07:04 you're getting a lot of the health benefits. Forget the, all we're saying is don't make cardio like the cornerstone of your fat loss. That's not your gauge for just like burning fat. No, no, no, but if you move, I deal. I've done cardio and built more muscle. I mean, why? Why have I built more muscle doing cardio?

Starting point is 01:07:19 Because it made me healthier. You know, I've gone so extreme in one direction where I didn't know cardio. To where if I got on a treadmill and walked at a three and a half on an incline and I'm at a breath. So then I just did that a little bit. Now my cardiovascular health goes up a little bit. Next thing you know, I can work out harder

Starting point is 01:07:34 and I built more muscle. Right, yeah. So it's not as black and wise you think, but yet definitely, it definitely will start to over time what ends up happening is your body burns less and less calories doing the same activities. Just because you become efficient, you know, I mean, you become super efficient at them. You ever, I remember going to work with my dad and he would, he had this, this trial, this big flat

Starting point is 01:07:53 metal square that he would hold with handle and it would have a fat mud on it. And this is stuff you throw, you put up on the wall, it's really sticky and heavy and you'd have a whole pile of it on it and then you'd have another trial in his other hand And he'd do this thing where he'd like scoop it off onto the onto the smaller trial Fling it up on the wall and he'd do this through the whole wall and then he'd spread it and I remember thinking like that looks so fun and easy You know I told you're times doing it. You're probably burnt bro I told my I remember I was like 16 years old I'm like, damn that looks so fun. It looks so easy. And my dad's like, you think it's easy? He's like, give it a shot.

Starting point is 01:08:26 So first off, that shit's heavy. Just to hold it. There's a whole pile of fat mud on there. That's like, it's like, hold it, 20 pound dumbbells. Yeah, that's like 20 pound dumbbells. So I was like, oh my God. And then to flip it onto my hand, I didn't have the techniques to go all over the floor,

Starting point is 01:08:39 plus my hands and wrists were getting tired. And then you realize like, I'm doing way more work than he is because I'm not efficient. So that's why your body adapts that way. It just gets really good at your physically demanding job. Now, when you guys have somebody like this, do you typically recommend any sort of list cardio

Starting point is 01:08:56 on top of that or anything else or do you think they're moving so much already they're getting mostly good benefits? Now it's really heavy strength-based. Yeah, resistance training to counteract, like know, like anything that's taken them out of ideal posture and like, you know, helping them to kind of, you know, fortify their joints that are that are involved in a lot of those everyday movements, because like, you know, painters and like reaching all the time, like, we have to, you know, account

Starting point is 01:09:20 for that and be able to then get other parts of their body active and contributing and stabilizing. Now, not to stereotype, but in my experience as a personal trainer, training clients who, I've trained many clients who do blue collar demanding, high demanding jobs from construction workers to plumbers to stone workers and roofers, right? We're trained a lot of them. Typically, their diet's terrible. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:44 That culture, I think, fosters bad eating. I'm not quite sure why, maybe because they're... Lots of Doritos. Yeah, they go out to eat. Donuts for breakfast. And they get away with it a lot of times because they're... They're moving so much. Yeah, they're so active.

Starting point is 01:09:57 I think that's where the culture comes from is that, I mean, when I was a kid and I used to go to work with my dad, my stepdad, who was the carpenter. I mean, that was a staple thing, where at five o'clock in the morning, you swing by the donut shop, you get a dozen donuts for all the guys at 7-11, you know, the Queen and all that. Yeah, that was all, but you're moving all day long. You're moving all day long.

Starting point is 01:10:17 So all you have is a little bit of a belly, right? You know what I mean, but you're eating a bunch of garbage. Yeah, that's what I would see. So if you're trying to get lean, and again, I'm stereotyping, but if you're like most of the guys I've trained who've done this kind of work, just all I would do,

Starting point is 01:10:30 when I get clients like this, here's what I would do, especially if they had really physically demanding jobs, I would have them lift weights two days a week. That's it, we do two full body routines a week, focusing on big compound movements, and then I'd have them fix their diet, and that's it, they'd all get lean

Starting point is 01:10:44 and they'd all build muscle, because they were already fit for moving all the time. It was like the results were, you throw a cardio on top of that. That is not good. Well, and the things too that we don't know that could make this even harder is if you are the exception, the rule guy or girl that has actually got a job like this, and then you also don't eat because I have like trained nurses like on this, right? And this was always a struggle with me.

Starting point is 01:11:04 I'd have, I remember one time this client that I had that, you know, she was well over a hundred pounds overweight. She was a nurse who worked, you know, 12 hour plus, she's the 12 and the 16 hour shifts, and she ate like twice, you know, and she moved like crazy, and she'd been doing that for a long time. So this person is- She wasn't feeding herself enough?

Starting point is 01:11:22 Right. And it hadn't been feeding herself enough for a very long time. So this person isn't feeding yourself enough? Right. And it hadn't been feeding yourself enough for a very long time. So this could also present a really, really tough client to help because if you've been under consuming, how been the guy or girl who's started their day off with eight glazed donuts and Dorito fired Doritos throughout the day, three beers at lunch, and then the Taco Bell after work. That person's easy, because they're eating five, six thousand calories of pretty much garbage. Once you balance out their nutrients

Starting point is 01:11:50 and give them with their body needs and maybe give them some good strength. Yeah, huge change. But there is someone who's really challenging that I've trained in this category, which is they're the ones who don't eat very much. They might eat, you know, have their coffee, they don't have anything.

Starting point is 01:12:04 And then they lunch, they have like have anything, and then they lunch, they have like a conservative sandwich, and then they have a dinner, and that's all they eat. But yet they're moving 20,000, 30,000 steps a day and doing laborious type jobs, and their body has adapted now to eating very minimal and moving a lot, and that person has a long road ahead of them. They'd be tough to put on some muscle, for sure.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Oh, yeah. Well, and just to burn a lot, I think it's less to build muscle, I think, because that person afeet a little extra calories and lifts lift well, they'll build. They're typically harder to lose body fat, which is what most of them want to have. It's just so slow. Right. The metabolism is slowed down so much, so, you know, not knowing the full details here, that person could be.

Starting point is 01:12:40 How many days a week would you guys have these guys, because I found two days a week to be generally the ideal amount for really physically demanding. Yeah, like, when I would go more than two days a week, I guys have these guys? Because I found two days a week to be generally the ideal amount for really physically demanding. Yeah, like when I would go more than two days a week with these guys, it was too much. And it's because they're swinging hammers and shit. Well, to me, it depends on if they're the if they're the fed one we're talking about or not. If you're someone who's healthy fed in your movement, you're active, then it's, you know, it's no different than the kid at the playground. He's playing all the time in movement and still, and still, so I see nothing wrong with it.

Starting point is 01:13:05 But if you are falling in that category of someone who has their metabolism is adapted to just slowing down and conserving energy because you don't eat very much, then absolutely a two day a week routine is where I would go for sure. One summer, I wanna say it was the summer after my freshman year is where I put on,

Starting point is 01:13:24 I do was a summer I put on almost 15 pounds just in the summer, which is a lot for a kid, especially natural kid or whatever. And I was working with my dad at the same time. And I remember when you do that kind of work, especially if you're not used to it, you come home and you're, I remember my body would be buzzing, I'd be so fried from doing all that work, mixing cement. So what I used to do is,

Starting point is 01:13:45 this is also simultaneous when I learned how to really squat and bed lift from those power lifters at the gym. So then after work, I'd go to the gym and lift weights, and I remember for the first week of doing this routine, working with my dad and lifting weights, I lost like two pounds and I was like, what the fuck? So I told some of my power lifter buddies and like, you just got a fucking pound food man

Starting point is 01:14:05 you just get to eat more food so I went on a mission and I literally for breakfast I'm not exaggerating before we'd walk out the door a quart of whole milk I drink that and then we go to McDonald's on the way there and then for lunch I eat this huge lunch and then I come home and you know I was probably eating like six or seven thousand calories a day to try and offset it, but I did put on about 15, 15 pounds of lean body mass. I remember going to school and the couple girls were like, oh my god, you have a butt now? I was like, what?

Starting point is 01:14:33 Yeah. I didn't have a butt before. I didn't know that. Baby got back. Yeah. All right, next up is from Attractive Won. Attractive Won. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:42 At Mind Pump Doug. I guess that's me. That's you, Doug. What is it like working with those three knuckleheads? Hey, one with the fuck. Best and worst memory, would you change anything about them? Oh, wow. Yeah. Think about this for a minute. What is it like working with us? No, no, it's not that bad. Yeah. You get the impression maybe that that might be the case, but it's really pretty mundane here on a day-to-day basis, honestly.

Starting point is 01:15:12 I don't feel like we have that many hiccups or that much drama or anything like that. Do you feel like that? No, not really. I feel like, especially over the years, you guys have become a little bit more focused. I remember at the beginning, I think the biggest challenge and frustration for me was that there were just so many things that we were wanting to do.

Starting point is 01:15:32 I mean, we had this vision of becoming this business that we're gonna handle everything. You know, all aspects of fitness, one stop shop, mind pump, and that just gave me sleepless nights. Because- Because you were the one putting it in. I was the one doing all the work behind the scenes, right?

Starting point is 01:15:47 Yeah, yeah. But over time, what's happened is you guys have become a little bit more focused. And I think having the outside marketing company, helping us and Casey, helping us stay focused here, it's been a big help for sure. Yeah, definitely. We've had some big challenges to personal challenges throughout this business. Right, definitely. You know, we've had some big challenges to personal challenges throughout this business. Right, right. You know, I was going through my divorce early on, then you had your, you know, where you went off all your testosterone, which took that took a while. And then

Starting point is 01:16:15 a tourniquelies. And a tourniquelies. And, you know, just then went through, you know, building his other business and growing that and then watching that thing or whatever. We've all had these big personal challenges early on in Mind Plum. You know, it's funny when Doug was reading this question, I was thinking about that and how perfect it is that that all happened early on because I think, because those were some very, look, I can speak for myself. I know you guys were challenged with your own things and I could witness and see how that affected you, but I can speak for myself easily the most challenging time of my life.

Starting point is 01:16:48 Right. And I could say the same thing about the hormonal thing. So coming off testosterone, the dip in natural testosterone and feeling that, feeling what that felt like, right, was borderline depression for me. And then to tear my Achilles in result of trying to find something else to lift my spirit was probably one of the hardest things I've ever gone. The only other time I could think of was that I've mentioned this before is when I sold my, short sold my house, that was a really tough time for me too. This was probably the, the next hardest time that I'd ever gone through. So yeah, I know for us all to kind of go through situations like that, while also building a business

Starting point is 01:17:28 of this size. I feel like it was perfect. Yeah, no, I'm glad that it happened. And it taught me a lot of lessons when I was trying to take on way too much shit. I didn't think there was a limit. I didn't think that I thought I could just handle it all and be able to maintain balance and be a good father,

Starting point is 01:17:49 a good husband, and a good friend, a good contributor to the business and all these types of things. And it was just so naive. And it fucking kicked my ass. And that was a hard, hard, hard lesson. And it took a toll on my body and I recovered. But yeah, I feel like we all kind of got really tested and challenged.

Starting point is 01:18:08 It was what a year and a half in I would say when would you say that when everybody walked away from any other projects or businesses? About a year and a half? Yeah, a billion half. Yeah because the first year I went had to. We weren't even monetizing. Yeah, we had to. And then we started monetizing and it was probably six months or less after that

Starting point is 01:18:26 that I let go of most of, let go of most everything. And then everybody kind of slowly did after that. So it was about two years, I would say, once everyone had kind of walked away from the house. No, I think it's perfect the way it happened. Cause for me, what I got out of it,

Starting point is 01:18:40 watching you guys go through your challenges is, you know, you wanna know that your team is there. You know, you want to know that your team will be consistent and will show up and will do what needs to be done, even though shit is, you know, hitting the fan in the personal front. And you guys both prove that when you guys were going through your own thing. On the flip side, when I was going through my thing, what proved to me is that you guys were there to hold me up and hold things up when I was going through one of the most challenging times my entire life. And I think it's perfect that it happened in the beginning.

Starting point is 01:19:11 That's not something I'd want to go through, you know, six years into the business, you know. Yeah, then you add in to that was not even a year, a year ago when you lost your parent. I mean, that's a big deal to his parent right now at this time too. So I mean, every crazy is a lot, that's what I'm saying. It's weird when you think about this. There's been some big fucking things. Very trying times that have happened, you know, early on. Well, and a lot, I think in the past in other business, I've had a lot of partnerships.

Starting point is 01:19:37 And and a lot of them, I've remained still good friends with the businesses didn't continue. Partnerships are hard. And I whenever I like a couple times, this has been a topic of discussion when I've been interviewed and I always tell people I don't recommend partnerships. I think this is a very unique situation the way this all worked out.

Starting point is 01:19:56 And I kind of give the analogy what it reminds me of like a law firm where it's not really like this, you know, this is your position, this is your position, this is your position and like everyone's responsible for this is your position, and like everyone's responsible for a certain amount of everyone's measuring. Everybody does what they need to. Yeah, everyone kind of contributes to the same pot and everyone's so focused on contributing to that

Starting point is 01:20:14 that there's never any time to sit back and say, oh, he's doing more for the business than this person or this is more valued, like none of that ever happens. No, it's funny because in a lot of ways we all have these egos, right? Of course, you know, but on a lot of other ways, I always get so grateful that everybody has egos, but then everybody also knows how to put it aside.

Starting point is 01:20:36 That's the thing that I think is, is yeah, because, you know, for doing something and here's a deal, when you have a bunch of people working together, in this case, it's us guys, right? And all of us in our own right is a bit of a control freak, all of us in our own right tends to be alpha, tends to want to competitive, wants to do things. But, you know, that could be a tough situation because you could be working with someone, they could do something better than you or whatever, and you could not like that because you're not the one doing it. But all of us are kind of like, oh cool, you do that. And everybody's cool about it. There's no.

Starting point is 01:21:11 And it's a very unique thing. It's very, it is unique. And I've had moments of it in my life, and I'm sure Justin could speak this too. It's what is unique to me is that you and Doug fit so well in this where it reminds me of sports. And when I've played on teams where we have some of the most athletic players or some of the best players and we weren't the best team. And the reason why we weren't the best team is for that exact reason that you just

Starting point is 01:21:36 pointed out is that we've got these talented massive egos in their own right. And because of it, it as a team we never were great. But when you find a team where everybody has got those massive egos, they're super competitive, they're super talented, but then they care more about winning than themselves and they truly, a lot of people could say that. Yeah, I just want to win, but at the same time too, you want the glory, you want to be recognized, you want to be the face, you want to be recognized, you want to be the face, you want to be the man, leave same. That's a great analogy.

Starting point is 01:22:08 I've thought of this quite a bit actually, why it works the way it works. And in my mind, as far as checking myself or just contributing, I remember being on a winning team when I was in high school and that was how it was, there was just stars all over the place. You'd have somebody, and I knew I could count on them for this very specific aspect of what we were trying to achieve.

Starting point is 01:22:29 But then again, you know, like me, like I knew I had to step my game up to elevate the team as a whole. And so it was always this looking at each other, like making sure we're all striving for the best and sharpening each other. So that's something we definitely share in this business, which is unique.

Starting point is 01:22:48 And I think what's important is that everybody in here, which I think is kind of crazy, is everybody could do what another guy does, right? Everybody can do that part of that person's job, if need be, if they had to. But what everybody also recognizes that there's a guy out of the four of us that is better at something

Starting point is 01:23:08 at everything and everyone just kind of let's go about it. It's just like, and that, and that, there's only, there's sometimes there's moments of that struggle of like, oh, and then one of us ends up letting go of it and be like, you know what, at the end of the day, like, I trust Justin to do that. Like I just trust him to do that and to do it better than me. And even if I would do it better this one time overall,

Starting point is 01:23:28 he's gonna do that area or that part of the business better. It's not a great feeling though. It's also kind of a great feeling because I've never really experienced that in the past working with other people. I've had partners also, but I've never really experienced that before. So it is pretty cool.

Starting point is 01:23:41 But it's not like it's all roses and fucking daisies. No, no. There's definitely challenges and all that stuff. But I mean, I it's not like, it's all roses and fucking daisies. No, no. There's definitely challenges and all that stuff, but I mean, I would, I mean, it's great. I like that. I know everybody stands at any given moment. I'm never like, well, that's thinking. I wonder what you know.

Starting point is 01:23:55 I know. Yeah, I know exactly what you're. It's no curing. It's no curing against anybody. Yeah, no, it's a great, great. Well, I was doing, I was mentoring Taylor and stuff like that and giving him some insight on tough conversations that all of us have, that nobody gets to see,

Starting point is 01:24:11 that we have all the time, all the time. We have very, very hard, uncomfortable conversations, but there's always this respect level for each other that it's never this personal thing. It's always about the business and each other and us winning again. And if what happens a lot of times, I think in situations like that,

Starting point is 01:24:30 that easily can just be not talked about. Someone can just be like, it's not that big of a deal. I don't really care. I'm not gonna speak my mind. I don't know where the- No, ruffle feathers or feeling like that. Right, then nothing gets said.

Starting point is 01:24:40 And then it builds and builds and builds. You're a resentment. And it gets resentment, right? Versus, I'm gonna say something that is, may not be popular and it may rub somebody the wrong way at first, but it's how I'm feeling, and I'm gonna come that way at them versus, wait, said it, suppressing it and allowing it to build up

Starting point is 01:25:00 and then resentment and then attitudes and things like that happen where everybody in here is really good about that if they feel about something, they speak it and then we have then attitudes and things like that happen where everybody in here is really good about that. If they feel about something, they speak it, and then we have dialogue around it. And sometimes the dialogue's heated, and it's firing back and forth and arguing. And it's, no, and I'm, no,

Starting point is 01:25:14 and it's going back and forth with making points, but we get it out, right? And we get it out. And then something that you guys do, which reminds me of my relationship with Katrina that I talked about on the show the other day that I absolutely love is that, no matter where the disagreement happens when we leave, I feel like every guy doesn't try and strengthen their argument.

Starting point is 01:25:33 They go try and see it from the other guy's perspectives. It's done. Yeah. That's the worst fucking, I hate, you know, I said, this is how I would manage people many times is I'd be like, look, we're gonna fix this now. We're done with it, we're done. And that's it. You keep talking about it afterwards.

Starting point is 01:25:49 That's where you get that resentment into bullshit and all that crap, but they were asking you your best on worst memories, Doug. Give us some of those. We ran with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what are some of you doing in bad memories? This was my question after all.

Starting point is 01:26:00 I jacked. No, let me just go with the worst memories first. I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a I'm not going to be a episodes we did down in Tampa. And oh man, that was like my heart dropped. That's the most scared of our stadium.

Starting point is 01:26:27 Yeah, yeah, man, I was like so stressed out. None of us could really get upset because you were so stressed out and upset about it. Yeah, we were just all like, let's just hope Doug's cool. Yeah. Well, I was more concerned about the aftermath. Because oh, by the way, guys, all the interviews, I've lost them all

Starting point is 01:26:48 So yeah, that was probably one of my worst times Since doing this business the other one was too right after we had what's his name Ben the Bachelor at guy Yeah, we had him on the show. And he was like our biggest interview. Oh, I remember this. That we had ever had. He was like a huge social media following. We had no real exposure at that time.

Starting point is 01:27:13 And so we really anticipated that episode was gonna be the episode that would kind of catapult us. Yeah. Not really knowing anything about social media and influence. But anyway, at that time, our hosting service was not Libsent, it was another company that we'd utilized. That's right. And it just so happened to go down on us the day

Starting point is 01:27:34 that that episode propped it away. And I think Adam and I were texting you. Oh man, I could feel all the tension. And of course I felt the way to the world on my shoulders. And I was trying to resolve this issue. This episode was supposed to be going up. Ben had, you know, texted it out to his. Well, and the concern was that he had signed a non-disclosure with NBC. Oh, we got all conspiracy theories. Right. And that's what you're where, A.B.F. where I don't forget who the bachelor signed a non disclosure

Starting point is 01:28:05 And he wasn't allowed to talk about the certain show and we aired something that we were I remember we all talked about like oh shit Did this shut us down? Yeah, and so we all anybody gives Like three weeks into the program It's like a hundred list. There's probably a little more than that But no, no, no, it's about like a thousand Two or a few months ago. I forgot about that dog. I forgot all about that. Oh, yeah No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no a good lesson though, too, speaking on the business. I mean, that was a big learning curve for us. I mean, Doug's right. I mean, at that point, we had never had anybody

Starting point is 01:28:50 with over 100,000 followers. Post about us. Yeah, post about us or been on the show or anything at the time. And I knew Ben, and I remember inviting him down and having him show him, man, we were just like, this is gonna, this is all we needed. We just need it. We're just one person.

Starting point is 01:29:04 We just need one person to give us a exposure and it's game over. Yeah, we were just like, this is gonna, this is all we needed. We just need one person. We just need one person to give us a exposure and it's game over. Yeah, we were, and it was like flat. It will be like Oprah. And I remember that was a moment of like, oh shit, this is not gonna be as easy as I thought it was gonna be. We just, one person who is three and a half years into it, we're still waiting for that person.

Starting point is 01:29:21 Yeah. Come on, please, someone. No, it's just one, I talk about the showtime. On shows, it's not what people think it is. And in fact, the adding 10 or 20 people a day, when you do the math on that, and it's so hard, if you're in this type of a space, you're comparing yourself to the people

Starting point is 01:29:40 that have millions of followers, have gained this fame or went viral, whatever. And so you're comparing your business to that. Like, and when you start doing the calculations and you go, wait a second. If we add 20 people every single day, 20 new people listening, that would be awesome. But wait a second, how long does it take for?

Starting point is 01:29:55 30 years. Yeah, that's insane. Holy shit, that means we can do it for 15 years before we even get any real 30 year overnight success. Right. So, you know, it's, I don't know, I think people don't realize that very much. And they get so focused on that number versus what, you know, that, I think that kind of helped us early on to see that and to stay focused on the value building in the people, the

Starting point is 01:30:20 small amount of people that we had listed. No, it's still verbal. No, there isn't. And you're far better off, I said this the other day too, that you're far better off only adding 10 people a day versus adding a thousand people a day, but the 10 people you service really well and you add value to their life,

Starting point is 01:30:36 than a thousand random people that are just lucky lose that are dropping in to see what you're doing. And that is how you build a substantial business. What about highlights, Doug, you said all the negatives. Have you got any positive shit that happened, Jesus? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, a lot. What if, yeah, what if it be like your most like,

Starting point is 01:30:51 fuck yeah, where you're excited? Well, I would say just kind of, I don't know, sounds a little bit, I'm not sure the word here, but I would say, every day I come in, I enjoy myself. I'm just cool. Which is great. I mean, anytime you're doing some type of a job, so to speak, you want to enjoy yourself on a day-to-day basis. And so I feel like I'm certainly in the best space for myself. But the real highlights are when we get on the road for me. So when we go off and

Starting point is 01:31:23 we travel someplace, or just even go up to San Francisco up to the prime rib place, that's, to me, it's really a highlight. And of course, then we have some like financial highlights, things like that, which are always a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah. But no, for me, just like hanging around a campfire or fire pit, like when we went up to Santa Cruz.

Starting point is 01:31:45 That shows your age and wisdom there. I think the ability to, right, right, the things that, I use funny you bringing this up. So this Sunday, I come, Sunday, Katrina and I come in here and we work out pretty consistently. And I actually had a moment like that where I'm opening the gym and I'm walking in,

Starting point is 01:32:01 doing the alarm and stuff. And I think, you know what, I stopped myself for a moment and to just appreciate the ability to do that, to be able to walk into, you know, quote, on my gym, my own place, nobody else in there using it, plug my music in, you know what I'm saying, and work out with my girlfriend as long as we want

Starting point is 01:32:19 and sit in a sauna afterwards. And I think to myself, like I take, how much I take that for granted, that if you were to ask me when I was 20 years old, just getting into fitness, how much that moment would mean to me. Like that moment alone, just to be able to do that, and to not stress about keeping the door open, right?

Starting point is 01:32:37 Like, that's the other thing too. There's a lot of people that open up gyms right now, which I don't advise, because I think it's a very challenging business to do, that they have the stress of keeping it busy and it's like you don't even get to really, like we thoroughly get to enjoy this place. No, this is legit, you're... Yeah, like I've contemplated working out naked in here a couple times. Just because I fucking can't.

Starting point is 01:32:56 We got the security camera. So it's the sock on the door on the outside, man. That's so we know something. But I mean, the ability for you to catch those moments, Doug, I think you're right. The fact that we can go have an $800 prime rib dinner and not bat an eye over it, because that's stuff that, and with the whole team and have laughs and enjoy it, and not stress over that,

Starting point is 01:33:17 where revenue's gonna come the next day, I mean, that's really what it's all about is to be able to do all those things. And like you said, come to work every day and enjoy what you do. We were talking about, we were actually, when Justin and I and our girls were out after dinner, we were talking about this and how maybe sometime soon,

Starting point is 01:33:35 we could even plan a vacation where we all together go somewhere with our families so that we talked about that on the drive home. Yeah, oh, you guys are too. Where we could take a two week vacation, but also take our work and the morning, and then we take off. Take our equipment with us,

Starting point is 01:33:51 and we're in fucking Florence, and a lot of freedom in that. And we could record our episodes in the morning, do our work, and then the rest of the night go out or whatever, because I think it is important that we all get the families together too, so everybody, you know, because it was nice having Jessica

Starting point is 01:34:04 and Courtney together hanging out. It was important to do this. Yeah, because it's a big family, you know, but yeah, maybe we could do that at some point. I agree. Or next question is kind of similar. Lucky Hogi. How do you guys handle conflicts between the four of you? Are there any times that you have serious conflicts or disagreements? We, it's a fight to the death. So yeah, it's arm wrestling challenge. Somebody dies. Actually, I did a whole new thing. I'm like, we're larping from now on. It's now we're gonna figure this out.

Starting point is 01:34:34 How often would you guys say lightning on a weekly, monthly, quarterly basis? Do you think that we get into disagreements? How often? Like big disagreements? Well, I mean, it's not that common. I mean, what's your little disagreement? I mean, it's much a little disagreement. Yeah, and sometimes it's big.

Starting point is 01:34:47 It's usually Adam and I. It's usually you and I to get into the common way. Yeah, that's the common. Well, Justin and Doug are easy, you know what I'm saying? Like they're easy to get along and they're like, they're not much on causing waves. Either that or they're just wise. They're sitting back and it's like,

Starting point is 01:35:03 let this play out. I know where this road's going. That's probably true. I mean, I would think that I think we have on a weekly basis, we have disagreements. Sure. I think that's just it is that we don't, you know, there's no such thing as big problems, only problems that we make big, right? I really believe in that. And I believe that when we do, when we do have these disagreements, they could have been big. They all could be big. You know what I'm saying? They all could turn into drama and a big fight in this like pulling left and right.

Starting point is 01:35:31 But I think no none of them do we ever allow to get? No, I think there's like this unspoken rule where it's like we're going to go, we're going to talk or disagree. Everyone's going to be straight. Everyone's going to be honest. And then when it's done, it's done. It's almost like that's the unspoken rule. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:35:47 When it's done, we're over. It's been solved. The answer, we know what the answer is, everybody agrees, and that's it. Get over it. Like if you didn't get your way, or if they didn't get whatever, you get over it, and then you move on to the next thing,

Starting point is 01:35:59 and that's it. And then if you end up finding out that later on that we should have gone a different direction, there's no like, a totally stupid, you're just fucking, because I was part of that. It's all due over that. You know what happens sometimes?

Starting point is 01:36:10 Here's what happens a lot of times, especially with business partners. You have two business partners who will debate and argue, discuss an idea. Like let's say one person says, we need to spend $50,000 advertising over here and the other person says,

Starting point is 01:36:20 no, that's a stupid decision. Take the $50,000 and invest it over here. And then there's this big debate and then they finally at the end of it decide, okay, we'll put that money into advertising, that's what we decided to do. And then afterwards, they learn it wasn't a good investment and maybe the other idea would have been better. You know a lot of people do after that? They rub it in afterwards.

Starting point is 01:36:40 Yeah, I fucking told you, I should, that's how you get resentment. The way I feel like we tend to handle it is if that were to happen, you were all equally happy. I'm well, I made the decision with the right. Yeah, you know, it's like acknowledge or no, if even if you were wrong, even if you were wrong, and my idea was right, at the end of the day, I agreed to go we all agree. Well, I feel like each one of us, if we were wrong, like if it all plays out, you know, the way that somebody else was right, it's like, you're gonna, like, almost like,

Starting point is 01:37:08 you know, put that out there, like, hey man, you were right about that. That's crazy, you know, it's like, there's, I'm not like, like, oh man, like I'm so stupid. I'm like, I said the wrong thing. Well, who gives a shit? Like whoever's right is right.

Starting point is 01:37:20 Like at the end of the day, and I think that's how we all pray. I mean, this happens all the time. There's always time, and Sal's right. Him and I probably have the most disagreements. And there's plenty of times where he's right. And there's plenty of times where I'm right. And I'm wrong. So at the end of the day, the business ends up being right. That's what matters. I really don't know. So if I'm like, for example, what are the

Starting point is 01:37:38 there's you rather be right or win? Yeah, exactly. And so that's why I like the sport analogy with the way this dynamic works. And I think where it doesn't work is when people get offended and they let their personal feelings get involved where we look at it always as like, okay, for example, like picking it to the sports analogy, you know, when you're playing with a team of players and you are critiquing the game, right? Like for example, the play that we just ran and I came to sound and go,

Starting point is 01:38:06 hey bro, what the fuck dude, you gotta set a screen right there and when you pivot and you open up, you gotta seal the guy and you gotta seal him with your hips and do it like this. Instead, he doesn't look at me and get all butt hurt that I'm acting like I'm better than he is.

Starting point is 01:38:21 If I'm giving advice that has something to do with the game being played better and us winning the game, he's going to take key to that receptive key. He'll be receptive towards it. And maybe I'll give him advice some time and he goes and it blows the play and now it's worse and it was bad advice that I gave him. He now will fix it. There's not this rubbing in.

Starting point is 01:38:39 Oh, you were wrong. I was right. It's not about that. And another problem too. You'll see a lot of times on teams is they will let's say there is a disagreement or debate One person ends up it goes that person's way Then when they leave the office or whatever the person who was whatever you want to say wrong or didn't get his way Doesn't support the other person's plan now almost as like to try to sabotage right this to get a personal

Starting point is 01:39:03 That's a bad is the worst is a bitch move it is sometimes it happens sometimes people do it subconsciously sometimes it's like you like savaget yeah because they don't agree with your idea they're not going to put their no that's everything that's an excellent point this happens a lot people and that's again allowing your this is very very calm is a great point a lot of times people think that they're playing like a team together and then because they didn't agree with it at the beginning.

Starting point is 01:39:26 Yeah, because they were wrong. They're not going to put their analysis and they have like this chip on their shoulder. And then they're out to prove the other person wrong. And again, allowing the ego to get involved where I think everyone dissolves their ego. No, at the end of the day, I don't give a shit. Whatever we decide to do, even if it's an idea that I'm like arguing against, I am going to execute my side as much as, in fact, the way I look at it is if honestly, if I truly think it's an idea that I'm like arguing against, I'm gonna execute my side as much as, in fact, the way I look at it is if honestly,

Starting point is 01:39:47 if I truly think it's a bad idea, I'm gonna try even harder because I'm worried that it might not work, right? I'm gonna apply myself, because at the end of the day, the goal is there's one singular focus, and here's a deal. When a unit works together like one mind and one body, they are very, very effective.

Starting point is 01:40:05 When you have a bunch of scattered people, all with their own goals and everybody, this person wants to move up the ladder a little bit and this person wants, and I don't like that guy's idea, so I'm not gonna try and help at all. And you're fucked, your business is fucked, you're not gonna succeed. There's no way, and I don't care how talented

Starting point is 01:40:22 your team is, you're not gonna succeed. I've had some of the most rag tag team, teams managing gyms, and we did incredible things, and it was because, you know, four people working together with the same passion, with that same attitude, far more successful than a team of four superstars who don't give us your debuts.

Starting point is 01:40:43 Yeah, that run at 60%. It just haven't, haven't four supers, and then you see this in sports all the time for that exact reason. than a team of four superstars who don't give shit about that. Yeah, that run at 60%. Right? It just haven't, having four supers. And then you see this in sports all the time for that exact reason. You know, back to that analogy of the setting the screen, I mean, that, Sal has that option after I come over and coach him to do that, to do like a half ass version of what I just did to make sure that I could say to him. Right. Just so you can, just so you can,

Starting point is 01:41:03 and if you really care about being right more than you care about winning, you're the type of person that does bullshit sure that. So I could say to him, right. Just so you can, just so you can, and if you really care about being right more than you care about winning, you're the type of person that does bullshit like that. But I know that nobody in this room is like that. If someone comes with a critique in the business, and even if I disagree with it, I'm still going to give my best at what they're saying in hopes that the first time, first time we attempt it and then we all agreed on, we hit it out the park. And then if it doesn't fail, I know I gave it my best and now okay, well, it didn't work. So let's try something else.

Starting point is 01:41:28 I also think too when you have a team that sees a, there's a goal that's kind of overarching and larger than or bigger than the individual goals, I think that helps a little bit too. Because at the end of the day, we are a business, we are trying to become successful. We do want to create this media, in the fitness world, create this media empire, and all this other stuff. But what's the overarching goal and theme? I mean, here's the bottom line.

Starting point is 01:41:52 Like, especially Adam, Justin and I, we've been working with and training people for decades. We've been helping people with fitness for decades. You don't do that for that long, unless you actually care about people, you know, becoming healthier and becoming more fit. You know, you don't do it because of the money. It's not a money business.

Starting point is 01:42:12 Being a personal trainer, you can do okay, but it's not like investment baking, where you're gonna go in and, you know, it's not, you're not motivated to go in there for money. You're motivated because you like helping, but shit, Adam was in the weed business, making shit tons of money came back to fitness. Right.

Starting point is 01:42:26 Because it's his purpose, right? So, we have this overarching goal, which at the end of the day, we still want to be successful. We want to make money, we want to grow the business. But at the end of the day, we want to create the right message for this industry. You want to move this industry in a direction that helps people. We want to get people having the right conversations, introducing the right people through our media, through our reach. And so because we have that overarching goal at the end of it, it's easy for you to take a hit in the ego. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:42:55 After a conversation, it's okay. At the end of it would be like, all right, fuck it. You know, the, you know, my idea, nobody liked it. Everyone's going with the other idea. But at the end of the day, you know, our goal is like, this is the big overarching theme. That's the direction we're going to move because at the end of it, my goal isn't to fucking come out of this and be the fucking ego champion. I really don't give a shit about that to be honest with you. I can't care less. I'm too old for that shit. Nobody cares about that. I think everybody fills that way.

Starting point is 01:43:18 That's right. That's why I was. I just want to win, man. Yeah. That might be another thing too. It's funny because a lot of people, I think a lot of young people don't realize this. Fame is not something that most people should seek out. Without like what you can do with that, like you may be create a successful business or whatever, because you're seeing that with social media.

Starting point is 01:43:36 You're seeing all these people with 40,000, 50,000, 150,000 followers, but they're not doing anything with it because it's so expensive. It is so common right now that that that that's they're focusing on that while they don't even really have a real business. They have nothing. They just want eyes on them. Yes. That sucks. Why the that you know what that is? That's a very that's a very ego thing. You just want your ego to feel better. I don't want

Starting point is 01:43:58 to I don't want to get recognized for no reason. That's stupid. Oh, hey, what's the irony? Is they got to hate that part? The irony is they got to lay in the bed that they make man I tell you what because they you think it's all what it's cracked up to be and then you get all this attention And then we know what comes with all that attention people are gonna scrutinize and they're gonna poke at and they're gonna You become a character, right meanwhile all the only thing that you've put together as far as a business model is a Logo flip on a t-shirt that you're doubling up the price on, and because you have a million people, you make decent money right now. But that's not a real business, by the way. No, it's not. And honestly, it's a real, there's a lot of rel...

Starting point is 01:44:34 Like, if we could do this and nobody know who we were, I think we would all prefer to do it that way. There's a little bit of reluctance. It's part of what we're doing, and we're the best ones to deliver some of our messages, obviously. But at the end of the day, I don't, none of us are seeking that. Like, I don't know about you guys. I don't want to be like, everybody know me and I'm the, you know, whatever.

Starting point is 01:44:53 That's not something seeking. No, the first thing that we did with this whole rendition of the website is pull our shit off there. Like, let's get models to do this. I have a ugly mug out of it. Yeah, I don't want to be the face of the fucking loser in my hair. Get me on the fucking cover and shit. Like, get the fuck out of here. Like, find don't know what it'd be to face the fucking loose of my hair. We can have me on the fucking cover and shit.

Starting point is 01:45:05 Like, get the fuck out of here. Like, find some, you're gonna find a hug. Y'all can answer me in here. Find the 21 year old version of me. You know what I'm saying? It's the fuck. You know what I'm gonna buy that shit. That's hilarious.

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