Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 846: Intermittent Fasting for Fat Loss, Combining CrossFit with MAPS, the Downside of NEAT & MORE

Episode Date: August 29, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the affect of high amounts of NEAT on muscle building and fat loss, the skill sets necessary for online training vs. in person training, fitness brands that push intermittent fasting as their main selling point for fat loss and the best way to combine CrossFit with MAPS. 3 Days Left to get MAPS Performance for 50% off!! (4:20) The excitement of getting to play with new toys…Sal gets a NEW car! (5:53) The recharging power of Justin’s House in the Woods. (9:24) Why do spiders scare us so much? (13:00) When is the right time to give children a cell phone? How are Sal and Justin monitoring the time on their kids devices. (16:08) Delaying gratification and children. (22:20) The next step in the cannabis innovation market. Lagunitas sparks excitement with the first-ever THC, IPA-inspired cannabis-infused sparkling water. (24:07) The overall health benefits of movement. New study shows regular walking breaks prevent the decline in cerebral blood flow associated with prolonged sitting. (31:42) Is Justin’s Dad finally coming around when it comes to nutrition? How the Organifi Green Juice may be changing his mind when it comes to getting your vegetables in. (41:32) That beautiful window when you hit your muscle building growth spurt. Sal’s shares his excitement working out with his son. (45:43) The benefits of wrestling for a child’s confidence. (51:20) The science behind light therapy, the Joov light, and its effect on the body. (54:40) UPDATE: Mind Pump 6 Week Fitness Competition. (1:00:52) #Quah question #1 – Can high amounts of NEAT affect the body when it comes to muscle building and fat loss? (1:08:40) #Quah question #2 – How are the skill sets necessary different for online training vs. in person training? (1:18:00) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on fitness brands that push intermittent fasting as their main selling point for fat loss? (1:29:35) #Quah question #4 – What is the best way to combine CrossFit with MAPS? (1:40:15) People Mentioned: Enzo Coglitore (@enzocog)  Instagram Dr. Justin Brink (@premiere_spine_sport)  Instagram Mike Mutzel, MS (@metabolic_mike)  Instagram Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram Dr. Joseph Mercola (@drmercola) Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Kinobody (@gregogallagher)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: Joov Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Roblox HiFiHopsNews – Lagunitas Regular walking breaks prevent the decline in cerebral blood flow associated with prolonged sitting Do You Have Back Or Shoulder Pain? 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this massive episode of Mind Pump for the first hour, we do our introductory conversation. Yes, we have an hour. Who got a new car. Oh yeah, that's right. This guy did. Then we talked about Justin's house in the woods. It sounds like a scary movie.

Totally does. We talked about spiders. And why we don't like them. Kids and delayed gratification. We do some coaching there. I mentioned the new weed drink by Lugunitas. They're the beer makers. Now they make a weed drink by Lugunitas, they're the Brear Makers, now they make a weed drink. That sounds delicious. The changing cannabis market, the importance of staying active throughout the day, Justin's dad's reluctant use of organic juice. I'm glad he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he can see it.

I'm glad he likes it. We are sponsored by Organify. If you go to Organify.com.forts-mindpump and enter the code, MindPump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talked about my son's training update. He's been working out and having a lot of fun. We mentioned the new Juve light and how Juve lights increase testosterone levels. There's lots of other health benefits.

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Then we get into the questions. First question was, could someone who does a lot of neat get the metabolic adaptations where your metabolism slows, could someone who does a lot of neat get the metabolic adaptations where your metabolism slows down like someone who does lots of cardio? Great question, we dive into that one pretty deep. Next question was, are there different skill sets for online training versus in-person training? So if you're a trainer and you're contemplating should I train people online or should

I do it in person, what's the difference? We break that down for you in this part of the episode. The next question was, what are our thoughts on YouTube fitness brands that push intermittent fasting? They use Kino body as an example. So we go on as YouTube page and we break it down a little bit. You're doing it wrong, bro. And finally, this individual's been doing CrossFit

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this is a fresh change of pace, I think. People doing different movements that are challenging, but it's still, it makes it fun, because it's different. Well, that's what I'm getting. I'm getting messages from people who are already or owners who are getting their spouses and whatever to get the program themselves because they like it so much. So very surprising.

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I tried it, it was green-fitty. What's up? That's the special menu. That's the special mind pump menu that We give you the homey hook up on that Dude I'm I can't a little bummed man. Why are you bummed? I'm kind of bummed right now. I can't tease you about your car anymore Those things are over no more Jenna jabs dude no more Jenna jabs Yeah, I know a little bummed about that, you know I'm excited for you got yourself a nice new whip, but I was like we didn't do any of those cool picks next to the rims

You know to the old one yeah, we should have to the jettor just to set her off, you know, yeah We didn't I wanted to do of that video. We never did it. Yeah Fuck wasted it dude. You wasted it. It is nice to to be in a in a nicer car I definitely appreciate it like You feel like a boss. You got a lean going on. You got a lean going on. No man. Drive in the last these days. Not a lean. I don't care about that dude. Nothing. Nothing. No, but you know what? You're piping fools when you go.

Yeah. You're pumping. A pipe? What the hell's that? Oh, the room. Rear, rear, rear. You know what? You know what? Piping people, what I used to say that means? I don't know. You're having sex with someone. That was aggressive. Yeah. That's lay in pipe. Re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- where I can change the transmission, and there's like a screen in the front and it shows sport mode or economy mode or standard. Which, you know, it does is it changes the way that the gear shift and all that. It makes it, it does make a difference.

Well, it's automatic, right? Yeah. So it manipulates where the RPMs where you shift at. Yeah, exactly. But for a kid, when you're in the back of the car and on the screen, it's sport. Yeah, I think it's hard.

Dad's going into lightspeed. Oh shit. You put it in a sport mode, you know what I'm saying? Sport mode. My kid's in my hair's blowing up. My daughter's freaking out. She's like, what? Has a sport mode?

Like if it's like a, and I remember when I was a kid, my dad, my dad owned a Dodge Colt. Because it was like a little shitty. Yeah. As we say, that's not like a super car. But it had, so it was stick shift, because that's how all the cars were back then, right?

It was stick shift, but then there was this other stick next to the stick shift, and if you, you could put it in power or economy. Okay, it actually had this. Wow. But when I was a kid, I thought that was like, I thought that meant the car was a fast, I'm like, people would tell me like,

my dad's car's got most things pretty fast, but it's like putting into hyper drive. Yeah, exactly like whatever, my dad's got a fucking power mode. If he puts that thing on your done, you fucking watch out, which ended up being the first car that I drove. How much do you like that new car smell,

dude, that's like one of, that new sneakers, new car smell, favorite smells. Yeah, you know what though, you know what? It's like an affidavit. Do you let your kids bring like food in there? Fuck no. Right? Fuck no.

You can't, you can't do it. You gotta put a hard band on it. You don't want to franchise between the seats, dude. No, not at all. That always gets you. In fact, I always- In fact, I always get you. I almost cut the tree down.

That fucking put the leaves on my car this morning. It's like you mother. I'll kill you. You're gonna be bitch. Yeah, no, but the power mode, bro. You put it in the power mode and then- You don't feel guilty parking it outside because you're in home, Jim.

I have enough room for a car in there. Oh, so you can still park the car in there? Oh, I didn't know that. I thought you had too much equipment in there. Too much for two cars. Oh, yeah, but you can park it. I mean, cars are outside most of time anyway. It's not that huge of a deal, you know?

Yeah. I don't know. Why? I can't bear in the weather. Yeah. When you, it's minds are slowly right. Yeah, it's amazing when you have, when you have a garage, you actually use the garage, right? You park the car in the garage all the time versus it versus not. I want to garage so bad. I don't have one.

It makes it, it makes a big difference. Yeah. You don't have a garage? No. Do you live legit in the woods? I saw some of your Insta stories. Yeah, man. I'm not in it. You're like a cabin. I didn't even. Your house is a house, but it's like you're in a, you're in a wood. Well, the two adjacent houses are like summer. How long does it take you to go from your house to see a town, like civilization? Two minutes.

Okay, so you're, yeah, he's right up the, yeah. Okay, yeah, okay. Okay, yeah. Now, when it rains, that's the best part. When it rains, how hard is it scary? Yeah, sometimes. Well, if, like, you have to get your trees, like, you've got, when it rains, that's the best point. When it rains, how hard is it scary? Yeah, sometimes, well, like you have to get your trees, like you gotta get them furred up, otherwise you're fucked. Like you might get, one of the branches will come loose

and like literally drive down, like this happened to me and I didn't know like a couple of the branches that were like really high, cause you know, redwoods are way the fuck up there. And so you gotta get these guys to climb them all the way up and shave them down. And how often do you hire those guys? You do it like maybe every other year, something like that,

depending on the growth. But yeah, one year we had one that was this huge, huge limb just strife straight vertically down, like a lightning bolt, like in a hit, thankfully. Sort of the overhang over the deck, it went pierced right through. What? Yeah, the roof.

So if it goes through your house. Fucking just would kill you. Yeah. Well, that's not good. Yeah, so you have to get that done, so I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about like, do you have a lawn?

I didn't even know that. What happens? Do you have a lawn? No, I don't have a lawn, but, would it even make sense to have a lawn in?, I don't have a lawn, but what would it even make sense to have a lawn? No, because there's IV and there's there's ferns and you know, it's redwood, you know, tundra or whatever. He gets moss on rocks and stuff out there. Yeah. I can cultivate it, make a nice

landscape. Are there coolers? There's a coolers up there, right? Yeah, there's mountain. Have you seen them? So somebody caught one on their security camera. And this is when Courtney was like, she told the story to my parents just the other day when she was coming home late. And like she felt this weird creepy, like something was watching her kind of vibe. And you know, the chickens were kind of making noise

and all that and she was walking up the stairs and then she heard a big rustle and then took off and down the street somebody in their security camera caught like a legit mountain lion just walking through. That's right, you have the chickens. Can they get to the chicken? They could, but they all go in the coop at night. So you'd have to shred through the little...

If he really wanted to, he wanted to. Yeah, he could easily. Now, what would you do if you heard? Mountain lion eating your chickens and you're in it's at night. Let it happen you wouldn't go out there and just no that's Pray what am I gonna do? It's your food, bro. I mean if I had like a gun or something pride pow, you know like shoot in the air probably in knowing California you probably go to jail for five years. Yeah, probably. For shooting a mountain lion.

Eat your chickens. That ate your food. Yeah, I mean, you probably still go to jail to try to eat when you're too young. Yeah, I mean, it's all protected. That's cool.

I gotta come visit, dude, because your house is so good. Yes, I'm welcome. Yeah, it's so different from what I would have ever lived in, you know? Oh, totally. It's cool, because it's nice to just go at my backyard

and just like look up. Like that's my favorite thing to do. I feel like it would be so recharging, you know what I'm saying? And then you can, and then go on a hike, you just go outside your house. Well, what's fun is, because I made that platform that I'm building up from there for the tree house for the kids,

but like me and Courtney, like just had coffee and we were just chilling up there. And it gives it totally another perspective of, you know, the forest and everything. And so I just laid down, look up and we just did that for like 20 minutes. It was awesome. Bro, I want to check it out. That sounds so interesting. Yeah.

Do you get big ass spiders? Fuck yeah. Oh, you do. Oh, forget it. But no, when I get somebody, come by and spray for that. Yeah. I was gonna say I'm not coming anymore. Yeah, we get the occasional redwood spider

that's fucking huge. What's a redwood spider? Um, I did, it's hard to describe it, they got big butt on them and they got like big, they're like nasty, like they're over there. They're almost like a tranchilla, right? Like it's mini version of it. It's not as hairy.

Show me how big with your hand. I mean, like, like it's basically the palm. Wow, fuck that. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, like, they look like mini tranchilla is kind of right? Yeah. Oh, there you go. Oh, yeah they're like, they look like mini-tranchless kind of, right? Yeah. Oh, there you go.

Oh, yeah. That's what they're saying. Hell no, how do you kill that thing? You kill it with a, you smash it. They like to take a shoe. Yeah. That's a, that's a group of the big butt like that. I had a huge one of those.

I think I told the story already, but it was like, I thought it was the outlet on the wall, because like for some reason, like when I was remodeling the house, I didn't put all the covers on the outlets yet. And it turns out one of those shadows that was a spider. It was that big, and it was right above Ethan when he was a little baby. It was right above his head.

Oh. And then I turned the lion, I was like, ah, because it moved. I now remember why I don't live in a place like that. Yeah. Isn't it weird though how those things scare us? Isn't that weird? Spiders? Yeah.

I don't think it's like, do you know anyone that's died from a spider? Spiders kill people all the time. No. Do you know anyone who's like, of course not. I mean, I know someone that's sent to me by a brown wreck loose and almost lost their arm. Yeah.

But, bro, in Australia, pretty much every spider will kill you. Yeah. Yeah. That's not that's not backed by signs of it. Very true. I heard they crawl up from like the toilet lane. All of our Australian people like get the fuck out of here. No, you know why?

Because every time I see pictures of inset, like every time I see videos of someone with a massive ass spider in their house, it's always in Australia. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't like bugs eating spiders either. Like, that's where my point is. It's just kind of weird. It's like, where did that come from? Like, why did it like...

So there's a couple of theories. So one... It's in our DNA. Yeah. Part of it's learned. So part of it is that we're grossed out because we're taught to be grossed out by them. And the other part of it is that we probably evolved to be apprehensive of both spiders and snakes, because they were probably,

they killed us quite a bit. They killed us quite a bit when we were evolving or whatever, or through most of human evolution. So now we have this kind of natural inclination to get the skis. Yeah. When you look at it, you know what's interesting?

Like I had, you know how like we talked a while ago about like that tarantula burger that they had and like people eat like tarantulas. So I guess like the same like shellfish kind of, um, uh, allergy applies to tarantulas. Oh, so if you have an allergy to shellfish, like lobsters and... Then you can't use spider stuff. You can't use spiders. Oh, well forget it then. Yeah.

So... Such a bummer. Because I'm sticking about it. You go to the doctor, the functional medicine doctor, and he's like, well, you've got these digestive issues and... Yeah, you gotta cut out that. You gotta cut the spiders out.

What? No. Oh. That sucks. Yeah. Anyway, crazy. Foss act. My daughter had a hung out with her friend this weekend. Her friend came over and they were just having a blast upstairs.

My daughter's eight, right? So they're young and when her friend leaves, I go upstairs. Is this sleepover? No, they were just playing. And so then I go upstairs and there's a dry race board and they had made a game where they would ask a question on the dry race board and then they both had like a card and on the card on one hand it's on one side it would say, I have,

on the other side it would say, I have not. So they would ask a question like, have you ever peed in the pool? Have you ever broke something in the store? Have you ever whatever? And they'd hold the card up to tell, you know what I'm saying? What's going on?

So, it's almost like Truth or Dare. Yeah, so they were doing that, and I was watching, she was recording it, and so I watched the video of it, and I'm just like, this is gonna evolve. Like she's eight. Well, that is what turns into truth. No, that is like a teenager game, bro.

That's like a, that's their version of it right now. It is, like one of the questions, because it's supposed to be like a sexual game, bro, like you played in high school, I played that in high school. Well, that's what I'm saying, it's gonna evolve. Right now of it right now. It is. Like one of the questions, cause it's supposed to be like a sexual game, where like you played in high school, I played that in high school. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's gonna evolve. Right now, it's interesting.

So and right now, it's interesting, cause you could tell what they're testing each other with. Like, have you ever peed in the pool? You can, they're both like, oh my god. Yes, I have. They start laughing. So one of the questions was, God, what was one of the questions?

The questions were absolutely hilarious. There were so, oh, one of them was, have you ever told anyone your biggest secret? And so, again, my daughter recorded this on her phone, so I was watching the videos on her phone because I'm a good parent that snoops under kids. And so, she reads it, she's like, have you ever told anybody your biggest secret? And they both start giggling and laughing and they're both looking at each other Like they want to tell each other the biggest secret and I'm watching this video and my heart is like pounding What am I gonna hear my daughter say like you know, she's only eight whatever so it's pounding and I'm like kind of freaking out

And then they didn't say the secret they looked at each other like I don't want to tell anyone and then they went to the next one so I was like Thank God And the next one sells a cool. Yeah, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want it to be a teenager, bro. No, it's around the corner. I know. Because as I'm watching this, and I'm like, I can't.

Oh my god. And then the other thing too, is they play these games called Roblox. Roblox. My, both my kids play that. Okay. Did you know that there's a texting feature on it, or you can connect to other kids.

You can communicate to other kids and other kids can communicate to you through it. Yeah, you can block that. Okay, so I think I did that. Okay, good because I went on. Spying this game, I don't know. I don't know the game very well. Like a third wheel here on either.

Yeah, it's just, yeah, I'm not even doing that. I think it's like a, I think it's similar to like a Minecraft, except you're not really building anything. And it's like, well, you can get like characters from Marvel and all these things, and you kind of build these characters up. Yeah, and you walk around and you can fight people. Is it a phone app?

Is it with a phone app? Okay, so I'm on her phone, and I'm like, what's this? And she gets a little weird about it, which made me panic. And like, what's on here that I don't know, you know, it's going on. But I think it's just because she was, you know, her dad's going to her phone.

Yeah. So I went on there and there's all these messages. Now, I know which ones are her friends because she told me which ones were her friends, but then there's all these random people. And it's, I read every single one, but it's all stuff like, hi, and then she'll be like, hi, and then LLWL

and that's it, like stupid shit. Nonetheless, anybody can contact them through that thing. So what's the standard age that kids get phones now? I mean, if your daughter's eight, she's already got one. She doesn't have cell service. So only thing she uses the phone for is to record and make videos,

and then if we buy her games on it, and if she gets time, so I give my kids four hours a week of electronic time during school year. Okay. So she'll use it up and play games and stuff on there. But see, I did not know that this phone app can that allows other people, and this is a huge universe. Roblox is a huge online universe of kids and God knows who else.

And the fact that you can contact people with just whoever you want, that bothers me a little bit. So I'm taking it off and she's not, I told her she can't. Yeah, I think you can block that. So. Yeah, but they know to take it off. And I'm gonna take it off,

so when you make the transition from that to like a full blown phone, like have you guys thought, I mean, are you both your boys have them? Like what's your son now does? I'm delaying it as long as possible. It's like my strategy. You know, like I know it's gonna be essential

and it's something that like every kid is gonna have and he's gonna be the guy that's left out and blah, blah, blah, but as far as like, you know, me delaying it, that's sort of my plan. Yeah, because what's inevitable though. What I did is I, because my son's 13, he got his when it was 12 and the reason why he got it is because I live a block from the school, so now they walk to the school and if something happens there, I like him to text me or whatever.

But there's very strict parameters. You can do WhatsApp with that, right? Yeah, you can do like for Wi-Fi, I think for Wi-Fi. But then they have that Wi-Fi. Yeah, that's true. That's the only thing. The whole other. Yeah, it's such a distraction, man.

It is, and so, so, you know, I told I, I do four hours electronics for the week when they come home, they have to put their electronics in a particular place so they can't just have in their pocket. Justin, is your system still growing and running? I mean, is that still working where the kids? Yeah, we had a little different system over the summer. And so we're going to go back to, you know, what I was doing before over the summer. It was more like a checklist of like items that they did in like, you know, clean the rooms, like, you know, did their chores, like, we're active outside, like, red for

20 minutes, and you know, all those types of things, and they did like a checklist instead of a hit, all of their markers for the day, like, you would get, you know, a reward for that, and you'd get like a dollar or $5 or something like that. So yeah, I've still like, monetarily been rewarding them for that. And then we're going to carry that into them exchanging it now for like either a goal for like a toy or a goal for like an experience and sort of in that direction or for savings. So that was the big one. The big one now,

it's like, let's see if I can get them to think of how they can save. And then, because we have them with savings accounts, and I want to have them watch that. Now, can you guys tell, can you both tell, like between your, because I remember my sister and I growing up, we're one year apart, and one of us was like a saver, and the other one was not, can you tell which kid is going to like, blow his money, which kid is gonna save as money?

Yeah, so now they say that delayed gratification, the ability to do that is a good predictor of future success. So a kid who tends to save for things, supposedly it'll predict how easy they are gonna have an adult life in terms of succeeding and whatnot. And my kids are, my son can definitely delay gratification. My daughter is younger, however, she will as well, but she'll delay it for something like a toy

or something like that. But that's okay, right? That's okay, because that's something she wants and maybe she doesn't have enough for it yet. Social weight and hold on to it, rather than spending the $2 that she has. Yeah. So that's exactly like my youngest is younger, right?

And so he's definitely more the impulsive one as far as like, like if I get money in hand, like let's go to the dollar. So I'm like, we're going to go to the dollar store and get some cheap ass, you know, plastic toy that's going to break on you. Like, but he gets so excited. I'm like, okay, like I'm gonna let you go through this process and get some shitty toy. You know, while your brother's saving

and he got like a better toy, and then he gets jealous and I'm like, hey man, that's the brakes. You know, so he's gonna learn that way. That's a great lesson. The other thing that I was thinking about doing with the kids is give them a goal and say, if you save up to this goal, I'll double it or something

like that. Oh, that's cool. Just because it's like concrete and it's like, you know what I mean? Because sometimes they don't know what they're saving for. So why the leg ratification? And then you give them a little more incentive on that direction. Yeah, so like if you save up to 20 bucks,

then I'll give you another 20 and I'll double it right away. And then maybe they'll get excited to type a deal. But yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Dude, I didn't, did I send you guys a picture of the the cannabis drink that I bought by what I saw Jessica post about it and I DMed her and asked her what she thought of it. Dude, so no, I didn't see that. Lagoonitas. Do you guys know Lagoonitas beer? Huh? It's Lagoonitas. So they make like a cannabis beer? It's no, it's not beer, but it's like a,

it's got what you're gonna call it. They're just getting in the cannabis space. You're gonna see this. That's what I'm tripping over. We're gonna see this at like crazy. It's a brand name. I've never seen a brand name, anything outside of the cannabis industry step in

and then make a cannabis product. How strong is that? And so the whole can was five milligrams, so it's perfect. Oh, that's perfect. And it was, they had hops in it. It was had hops, it was carbonated, but no calories.

No gluten. Nothing, no, no calories, no nothing. So it had a little bit of that taste, but it was effervescent, or whatever. Oh, I'll try that, yeah. But the cool thing about it, first off, it's lagoonitas, which makes a beer. So I'm like, oh shit, this is sign of the times, like,

they're all of the big players are starting to move in. The second thing that I thought was really cool is the can, so one of the problems with drinks and edibles and you can tell it's a big company moving into the space because they're smarter, there it is, right there, high-fi hops. Oh, nice. Look at that.

So one of the cool things is when big companies move into the spot, they have more money and more experience and they know how to predict what's going to happen. So when you look at Edibles, one of the big, there's two big problems with Edibles that is going to have to get a dress. Consistent. Yeah, well, consistency is getting better. Now they're starting to label the milligrams. That was a big problem earlier. But there's two big problems I continue to see. One is the fruity flavored candy type stuff that you would never find alcohol or tobacco or anything else that's in cereals and candies

and shit like that. That's just a bad mix, right? Because it's easy to attack. If you're a prohibitionist, it's easy to attack that by saying, you know, kids are gonna eat it. Or why are you giving, you know, putting it in candy and shit like that. That's one. And then the other one is the safety of leaving these laying around. Like, okay, if I have a drink and I open it, you guys know how a soda can works. Once you open it, that's it, right? You open it and it's open. And if I sip drink half of it and I put it down,

Once you open it, that's it, right? You open it and it's open. And if I sip drink half of it and I put it down, a kid could grab it and drink it and then whatever. So, Lugunitas made this can where the top, there's this really interesting, like cap or like what is it called? It's like a pull tab, but it locks in every time. So I could open it, drink from it, close it,

and then kids can't open it or whatever. And you could tell they made it so that they can mass produce it. And it's effective. And I love seeing like that. I love seeing this kind of a dance. Super innovative. Super innovative and really good drink, by the way. It was a nice smooth.

Oh yeah, it's 5 milligrams. It's 10. They had a 10 milligram. Yeah, so I got the one that's 5 milligrams, THC and 5 milligrams, CBD because it's more balanced. Yeah, that is good. Yeah, so that so I got the one that's five milligrams THC and five milligrams CBD because it's more balanced But yeah, that is good. Yeah, it's pretty pretty pretty interesting We're gonna see interesting That's why I was time to get out dude. I have

I saw the fuck. Oh man. I have a lot of buddies that I partly feel bad for they thought I was crazy when I got away from it Because we were all making so much money and I mean I saw because we were all making so much money. And I mean, I saw, you know, see, I was crazy, like when I was doing all this stuff, and it was probably not smart that I did this, that I tracked everything, like I have logs of all the prices and where it was at this year and the next year, and you know, I was, and in my expenses,

just like you run a normal business, like I, and so many people didn't run it that way. And it was like very obvious to me as the years progressed, you know, and that this was going away. And that was before everything went full legal because I knew everybody kind of said it, oh yeah, when it goes full legal, it's gonna be tough to make the same kind of money.

But it's terrible. I know guys that are farmer buddies of mine that, you know, you used to get for outdoor that's really, really good. You can get anywhere from 1,500 to 1,800 dollars a pound, when I was still in it, that's was kind of going great for really, really good outdoor. Do you think flower prices are going to go way down? Oh, dude, I have guys out. There are already way down.

I have guys right now that are sitting on 100 plus pounds that they can't get rid of because no one will offer them more than $500 a pound. Those used to be $4,000 a pound. Well, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, without that much. $1500. What are you going to do with all of it? Well, when you were doing the business, those $1500 for outdoor and in California. So, state by state, it depends and obviously quality it ranges,

but your upper end good, like top shelf outdoor would be $15 to $1800 back then. And not that, that was just a few years ago, three, four years ago, where now it's, the going rate is like $500 to $600. Well, think about it this way. Cost more money to grow it down. Yeah, think about it this way, okay.

Think of all the other cash, quote unquote cash crops that we have. Are there any small tobacco farmers that make a lot of money just growing tobacco or small wheat farmers? Or the way you make money at this point now is you make products using it. If you're gonna grow it,

you need to have a big operation. Yeah, it's there, it's already there. We're, I mean, I guys that were making a half a million dollars a year that all had to go find regular jobs now. And they're like doing the nine to five constructs. I hope they saved it and invested that money. A lot of them didn't do a lot of them. Easy money.

Yeah, easy and easy out, right? And you can't really do a lot with, especially back when it was gray, when I was, it's like, you know, a lot of that stuff is unreported income because of the fact that it's so hard to get banks and should. Yeah, you can't, you can't, it was, even the club, like the clubs were like legit, right? When we ran the clubs, that was completely legit, but if you're farmer and, and brokering and you're doing stuff behind closed doors to have a deal, that's shit. You're not, none of that stuff is getting taxed. And so people can't put it in a bank, they can't, so they'll blow it. You know, you blow it, you spend it. I think it'll never end. So yeah, I know it's, it's game over for all the average B players that we're doing it for many, many years. Yeah, you just wait, you just

wait until it gets nationally accepted or whatever on on a federal level. And then you're going, the guys growing tobacco right now have everything in place to switch to cannabis. Marlboro and all these, those are gonna be the growers because they've already got the operation, but everything already in place, they know how they've got everything set up, all they need to do is flush it in. So just be like, I mean, the market's gonna look more like

pre-rolls, edibles, these types of things with like drinks. Edibles, I think will be attacked, in my opinion. And if you go to all the legal states, where they regulate, in some states regulate more than others, you're seeing lots of regulations like, you can't have over five milligrams, you can't sell it in this type of form. For sure, the bureaucrats are gonna attack

things like gummies and chocolates and yeah, right You would have the same restrictions like you would alcohol and we can have so much I think edibles are gonna be well the because it's more it's more you know Kid could grab it and something can happen. That's gonna be their argument. We get like hard THC You know like hard alcohol you get like a real high one. That's like restricted in Stereo and then the pre-rolls I think are gonna be it because think about the average person, I'm talking on mainstream, they're not gonna wanna pipe, shred the, you know,

no, who smokes tobacco like that? They're gonna wanna cigarette. That's got weed in it. I think that's what the future's gonna look like. So it absolutely is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, there's this interesting study I wanna share with you guys.

You know how we've been advising people, there's a past couple episodes we've been telling people, if you work long hours, one of the best things you could do is every hour or so, get up and just move for a few minutes and then sit back down. So interesting study came out where they took three groups of people, one group that had them sit straight

for four hours, another group that had them sit straight for four hours, another group they had them get up every 30 minutes for two minutes, and then the other one, they took two hours and then get up for eight minutes. So one group sat down, didn't move, the other group got up every 30 minutes and the other group got up every two hours. The group that sat down for four hours, which isn't that much, most people sit down for all day. Yeah, like eight hours.

Dramatically reduced his blood flow to the brain. Oh, wow. Reduces blood flow to the brain, and that's that for sure can increase the likelihood of getting neurological disorders like dementia. The group that got up every 30 minutes, every time they got up and moved, the blood flow came back. Yeah, and I think a part of it, a lot of it has to do with your blood kind of pools in

your lower extremities. And the way you get it out is by flexing and contracting those muscles. And what that happens is it squeezes and brings the blood up and each time you move it brings the blood up from the low extremities. So it's important. So you gotta think to the made pump for all that is slowing down also because you're at rest. That's right.

When you're sitting still at a desk or that your heart rate starts to slow way down like you're at complete rest and just by simply getting up and moving, that starts to elevate. So the blood starts pumping on more oxygen. You know, I haven't worked, I've never had a straight desk drop, like never, never done anything like that.

But last week, you know, we were doing a bunch of filming and stuff and Justin was handling a lot of that. And so I was in the office and I was just writing and putting guides together and stuff. So I was sitting down at the desk for, you know, six to six or seven hours, and I'd get up every once in a while. Man, I felt terrible.

I know. Every time I do that, yeah, if I stayed sitting down for too long, oh my God, dude, I don't know how people do it. Well, the crazy you adapt, that's the scary part is that you adapt. You know, is that you feel that we all feel, I feel the contrast.

Yeah, we feel the contrast because it's so different from a normal day, but somebody who does a normal job like that, their bodies have adapted to it, which is good and bad, right? It's good because it's needed to adapt to get to that, but it's also bad because who knows these other little small side effects that you're not noticing? It's the same thing with the, like the looking at the screen.

Like I dramatically can tell it, because I do not stare at a computer screen for hours on hours. It makes me actually feel more suspicious. Yeah, I get headaches. I get headaches and I do, I feel the same way too. And when I do have to do that, because it's so rare. But then you have people like my brother-in-law

who was talking to him the other day. And like this is all he does is, he goes in trouble shoots and fix problems for like big companies He makes good money doing this where you know or helps somebody upload new software and and program it for their computer I only know the job title he does but but he does this and he does it and part of why he makes good money is because a big Compa something will crash at like a big company at like 10 o'clock at night and they can call him and he'll come in and like work through the like work through and he'll he comes in assesses the the issue and he says okay, that's going to take 30 hours for me to to troubleshoot all that and figure

that all out and then you know that's how and then he bids on it and they go okay cool we just need to done get done and then he just grinds you know and just straight all of it staring at a computer screen. It doesn't feel good. Oh, dude, like, how do you, but he's done that for so long now that he's so adapted to it. You just cannot. It can't help.

Is he a good fit? Is he healthy? Does he take care of himself? I mean, he's the one who's racing with the Spartan race with Katrina right now. So he's doing things right now to try and get himself back in shape, but I can't, I can't imagine that it's so much. It's so. It's so less ideal to organize your activity all at once. And what I mean by that is, you know, oh, I work out every day, but it's one and a half hours.

And then the rest of the day, Well, I've told you guys this study that came out, it was a long time ago when I was a trainer. I was like five, six years in. And I remember seeing this study and it blew my mind. It was I used to share it all the time to clients that used to say they were active, because there used to be a thing on our fits, right?

That used to ask, you know, how active are you? Are you, you know, moderate, sedentary, very active? What are, and everybody thinks they're active or very active. And when this study came out, I would tell people like, well, what makes, what constitutes very active to you? And they'd be like, well, I would tell people like, well, what makes what constitutes very active to you? And they'd be like, well, I go to the gym three to five days

a week. I'm like, well, this study came out showing that even if you do an hour of vigorous lifting training or cardiovascular work, you're still considered sedentary. Sure. Because of how the average American, how often the rest of the day, makes perfect sense. The reason why they think they're active is they're comparing themselves to their peers that don't work out. So you think, oh, I'm active because I exercise three to five days a week. But think about this way. That's just the majority, but the vast majority of the time that you're awake, you're not

active. In fact, not only you, not exercising, but you're literally not moving, you're just sitting. So that one hour of even everyday exercise, it doesn't make up for the- No, this is why- 14 hours is the same there. You know, I'm Mr. Fitbit guy who's always promoting that. They should fucking sponsor us. I must have fucking talked about him. This should. All right, but Inzo, I'm talking to him the other day and, you know, he's, he's

like, man, I've been trying to get my steps up and he's like, it's so hard to get eight to 10,000 steps. I'm like, fuck, you know, crazy. That is. And that's him trying. Like, if he wasn't trying, he'd be doing less than that. Yeah. That's nothing. That is not, that's, and they, and it's because now he's back in school and he's, you know, sort of of, it's getting up a little bit, school and he's, you know, sort of regular with that. So it's getting up a little bit, but not still not much because I mean, kids sit school all day long too.

Well, I know that's scary. You walk from one class to next. That's scary part. Then you sit down all day. It's like, dude, people do not realize how fucking sedentary we are now. And we just don't have to. And it's just getting worse.

So if you're not paying attention to this, it's only gonna get more challenging for you as you continue to age, because not only you age, you slow down as it is, and you don't have the same energy levels you have when you were 15 years old. But then in addition, that technology, I mean, we're now in this door dash generation.

That didn't exist five years ago. Five years ago, if I actually wanted- You gotta actually walk out for the car. Yeah, if I wanted fast fast food I had to at least get my lazy ass off the couch walk to my car drive to the drive-thru and then go get up I got to get a fuck to do that anymore like I literally could stay on my couch and the furthest I got to go is to the door when the guy knocks on it and it's already paid for you the fucking get my lazy ass walled out nothing like it's crazy no it's crazy I wonder at one point and I guess we we for, I think the fucking get my lazy ass wallet out or nothing. Like, it's crazy. No, it's crazy. I wonder at one point, and I guess we would see this

in the tech industry, because they're the most competitive for employees. And you can see this, like tech companies have amazing gyms and they offer classes and they're really trying to figure out ways to get people active. But I wonder when this is gonna become like, to the point where companies are gonna just gonna give people treadmill desks and like just, because you know, the reason why I'm when this is gonna become like to the point where companies are gonna just give people

treadmill desks and like just because you know, the reason why I'm saying this is, they'll save money on healthcare, but they should also notice improved productivity because when I'm writing- This needs scheduled breaks. Like active breaks though. Yeah, like move, you see companies like Google

and Facebook that have created these environments that, or like we were at Elon Musk company, is solar city, all the desks were standing. So they're on the phone, but they're standing up the entire day, so I think that's really smart. And they're like in these little circle, remember that? It was like four or five people,

and then we had headphones on, there's like a little basketball hoop in there, big gong. There's like, so I'm more productive that way too. It doesn't take away from your day, it actually adds to it. Because when I'm doing this, I'll tell you what, when I did that all day workout, I was spitting out, you know, programs and guides, like nothing, when I'm just sitting at the desk

and I couldn't come out because you guys were filming, I was just like, it was, like, it was driving me crazy. Yes. So it's so much more productive. I mean, if you're listening right now and you're at a desk all day long, do an experiment and get yourself, I'd say every, every hour. Let's just try every hour. Get up and move for just five to ten minutes.

That's it. And then see at the end of the day if it actually, because you figure, if you're there for eight hours and you do five to 10 minutes every hour, that's anywhere between 40 to 80 minutes. But see if you make it up for it with increased productivity. My bet is, see if you get the same lows. Like usually you're grabbing for some kind of energy drink or something else to kind of get you through.

I think it's definitely you're not as sharp. Like some midday sort of low, right? So, my bet is that you're gonna be more productive. That's what I think. I think you'll end up actually doing more work and you'll find that you're trading, you know, for every minute you plug in that you're gonna get a, you know, minute and a half in production, which is totally... I just did a YouTube video on Mind Plum TV on, and I recommended it in the video to get up every hour to two hours and do that zone one test. That's what I prescribed to clients. So there's something that I tell them to do because you're sitting at a desk and you're already in that rounded shoulder forward head position is you don't

need to exercise. Just get up, go to a wall and do some back presses against the wall and the zone one test on there. Do that fucking five times, go back to your desk. Like that alone will make a big difference. I've been doing that a lot with my dad. Like I've been, you know, suddenly training him a little bit trying to like, you know, make up for a lot of time like where he's been, you know, just just being in bad posture

and that's really been helping the zone one but also the 90, 90's been huge for him. Oh really? The next venture is nutrition. And like I've been planting seeds for every day. That's a good one for it so hard. Ever. So like I remember, I think I even told the story when I was

at my house and I was drinking a big ol' cup of the green juice, you know? And he was making fun of me and I'm like, you're making fun of me and like I'm drinking, I'm trying to be healthy and like, you know, add more vegetables and greens in my diet and you're making fun of me. Like, I'm drinking, I'm trying to be healthy and like, you know, add more vegetables and greens in my diet, you're making fun of me. Like, you don't get it, you know? And like, finally, like, I was shamed him enough.

You know, I'm just like, you're like a little kid. Like, I just like, I'm a dad. Like, drink this and he's like, ugh, like giving me the, ugh, face with his nose and he drank it down. He's like, oh, that's good, that's tasty. Oh my God. I told you. And I was like, yeah, I could treat that.

No problem. Is he like the way he feels afterwards? Yeah, well, that's the thing. Like I followed up with him later and he was just like, oh yeah, like his chits were a lot easier. Yeah, of course. His idea of vegetable still is like celery, carrots, and iceberg lettuce. Yeah, shits should not, you kidding me?

There's nothing in there. Yeah, water. Shits should not be a struggle. Right? When people like, wow, that was easy. I'm like, what do you mean easy? How is it normally? You shouldn't be a battle every time you go to the bathroom, which should just happen.

Yeah. I feel like that's such the easy segue to get people like that that are super stubborn. How is it normally? It shouldn't be a battle every time you go to the bathroom, which should just happen. Yeah. I feel like that's such the easy segue to get people like that that are super stubborn to eat more vegetables. Yeah. I'm still impressed with the green juice. I really am. Every time I, because I,

I feel good every time I, yeah, I've had moments where it's been a while since I've had it and then I'll reintroduce it because I'm like, oh, I'm aware that I didn't get a good day or two back-to-back of like getting any greens and, or very many. And then I have them. I fucked it. I'm like, oh, I'm aware that I didn't get a good day or two back-to-back of like getting any greens or very mini. And then I have it in my pocket. I always feel good right afterwards. It really does.

No, it's a good one because it actually tastes good because I've had a lot of those things that taste like shit. But the hardest people to convince are your parents. Oh, 100%. For. Like, I've been talking to my parents about intermittent fasting forever, forever. I mean, there's a little bit of blood sugar issues, a little bit of blood pressure. My dad just turned 60.

I'm already, and trust me, I've done everything. I've tried to convince them the nice way. I've tried to convince them the bad way. I've tried to scare the shit out of them, which I did to my dad. He's sitting there and he's just turned 60. I'm like, well, according to life expectancy, you've got about just turned 60 and I'm like, well, you know, according to the life expectancy, you've got about 12 years left. You know, and he's like, whoa, don't say that.

And I'm like, well, you know, depends if you take care of yourself. And anyway, doesn't work. So I send him a, I send him a, it's his, he give him a midnight mirrored. I'm gonna do the guilt next, because that's my mom, she did the guilt on me, she's about to get it back. So I send him a documentary on fasting.

And I'm like, please watch this. And I don't remember how I sold it to them. I'm like, it's really cool. They show Italy or something. I made up the bullshit. Am I a bad person because I'm gonna give the same thing. Am I a bad person because I just gave up. Fuck it dude, it's too much energy.

I feel like it's not gonna be till, the generation coming up, I feel like it's gonna be much wiser to all this. Yeah, and you're gonna see, figure your kids. They're gonna have to watch their dad in his entire life, train well, eat well, pretty much. And then they're gonna be able to look at,

not just, it doesn't matter if you live to 60, 90, or 110, it's more like the quality of your life. You're aging and still not, you're still able and capable to do what you probably were able to do when you were 20, know, you're aging and still not, you're still able and capable to do what you probably were able to do when you were 20, something years old, maybe even a teenager. And so I think that's, they'll start connecting those dots. And now that we have video and pictures that are so real, right? Like, you look at your parents and their parents' parents, like photos and video, like you can't fucking see anything. Like now they're going to be able to see that they'll

be going to your Instagram and look back like, oh my god, anything. Like now they're gonna be able to see that they'll be able to go to your Instagram and look back like, oh my God, who am I dead? That's 40 years old. That's 40 years old and he has abs, like how cool is that? You know I'm saying like to be in that good shape and look at him traveling and climbing and doing all this stuff. I hope so because it's crazy with this,

we were just talking about lack of movement and this and that. It needs to start with the kids because you know, when you're a kid and you grow up and you don't move, you create these movement patterns and these imbalances that become almost impossible to correct. It's like a lifelong battle after that. Yeah, I mean, if you get really, really bad forward shoulder as a kid and then you become an adult

and then you go see a trainer, there's a certain amount of it that's become almost permanent. I know I've worked with people like this and I'll get them a lot better, but it's not the same as being able to mold and work with, it's like what Brink would say with athletes. You don't try and change that because they've already, they've already fully-filed.

Yeah, so bad, it's like you just fucked their skill up if you do that. Because I'm training right now, I'm training my son, which like, I cannot stress, I cannot tell you guys this and I'm like, my heart is so full. It's so, and he's like asking for it. Yeah, so get into it.

Yesterday's like, hey, I wanna work out today, okay? And I'm like, okay, and I try not to make a big deal about it because I don't wanna try to get outside. I'm not all, fuck yeah, you know. I have no problem. Oh, yeah, okay, if we have time. So, you know, so later in the day, I'm like, hey, you wanna go work out?

I was like, yeah, let's do it. And it turns off its computer right away, which is a good sign. It was cool. Comes outside and we're training. And he's now, I'm pointing things out to him like, after a few sets, I'm like, look at your veins, they're starting to pop out and he's like,

oh, it's like, why does that happen? So I'm explaining blood flow. And I'm like, at some point, you'll start to experience a pump, and I'm telling him this. And I can see him when he's working out, first off, the, it never ceases to amaze me how fast kids improve, especially teenagers improve when they start working out.

It's like ridiculous. Like he had no control. A new skill set. He had no control over the bar and dumbbells. Now, this control is like vastly super, still not great. Vastly superior every single time I train him. I can also tell now he's trying to focus because I've explained them how the body builds muscles.

Now you can tell he's trying. And then in between sets, he'll have the kind of the smile on his face because he's really starting to enjoy it. He's starting to get this kind of like, oh, that's exciting. Yeah, it's really really cool. And then the other thing we've been talking about,

he's like, so how, what are the things that you do to build muscle? Some explaining muscle damage and how it sends a signal and he goes, well, what about food? I said, well, you got to eat more food how it sends a signal and he goes, well, what about food? I said, well, you got to eat more food than you're burning. And he goes, well, what's the most important? I said, well, protein's really important,

but so are carbohydrates and so are fats. So you want to kind of eat, you know, everything. And you want to stick to whole natural foods, which is the ways we eat now. And I said, but you definitely want to make sure you're getting more calories than you're burning. Otherwise, you have no building blocks to build muscle. So now this morning, my son comes down for breakfast

and I bought this organic rice cereal that you could put with whole milk. So there's your carbs right there. So he's eating that and I'm making bacon and I'm watching the media and I'm like, oh man, I forgot to tell you I was making bacon. He's like, I'll have some of that too. I can have a glass of milk too.

I'm like, this kid's trying to I was making bacon. He's like, I'll have some of that too. I can have a glass of milk too. I'm like, this kid's trying to do that. He's trying to feed us something in the bowl. He's doing it on the bowl. The bowl conseason. It's cracking me up, you know? I don't want him to go extreme like I do, but. No, they know he's cool to see if he actually put some weight in the size on, dude.

Did you get him to start poking out? He weighed himself. I was just saying, are you weighing him? Yeah, he's already gained three pounds from, without lifting weight, just because he's 13 is growing. So he's gonna gain weight. And so then we were talking about that actually. And I said, you know, the most muscle I ever gained was over a summer. And it was from my freshman to sophomore year.

And I told him that said, look, you're young. Right now, you're just gonna build a lot of strength. You'll build some muscle. I said, but don't expect to build tons of muscle because we got to get used to the weights and you're still young. I said, right around the age of, Oh, that's that beautiful window, right? Yes, and I told him, I said, right around 15, 16, then you're going to hit a little bit of a growth spurt

if we do everything right. And I said, and it was my summer after my freshman year, I said, I think I gained 14 pounds of muscle. Dude, it was my sophomore to junior year. Yeah, I remember it vividly. Yeah, those are the years, right? Yeah. So he's like, he goes to me and he goes, well, what's that look like? Like, what is 14 pounds of muscle look like?

I said, well, I said, if you gained 14 pounds of muscle, I said, you'd be jacked. I said, you'd instantly be jacked. And the look on his face was like, Oh, I'd be jacked. That's awesome. Yeah, so, it's so cool, you know what I mean? And my daughter is like begging to come work out.

And so she'll come out and I'll have her do a couple things, but she's only eight. And this is me and my son's time. And I'm doing a little bit, and this is a little sneaky dad move. I'm doing a little bit of the takeaway clothes from her. Just a little bit of that. No, no, no, you're not old enough.

This is just me and your brother. She wants, yeah. That way, yes, that way she gets into it. You know, literally, that's good. It's great, man. They bring the, like, I've also noticed, like, so my youngest, he's been like, every time I come home, he's downstairs.

I see him, like, doing pull-ups, doing put, like, those home, yeah, swear to God. And then it's just, it warms me up, man. I watched him actually wrestle his cousin and his cousin is like, Jack, he's this little like stud. I guarantee he's going to be like a superstar sports athlete. And so I'm always like, oh, you know, his cousin, I'm always referencing his cousin because they play together and stuff. He's like, he's like in between age between my oldest and youngest.

And so anyway, so we were over at my in-laws and they were all together and we're hanging out as a family and they just started having wrestle matches. And so my oldest and hammer kind of wrestling, whatever, but this kid was always thrown and round and stuff. He's got the technique. And now my youngest went and took his legs out

and picked him up and piled right to him. And it was hanging. It was just as strong as him. I was like, yeah. That's why I like to see it. Bro, wrestling is such a great sport. Do you? Such a great sport.

It gets you fit as hell. Disciplined as fuck. And it's appropriate for all sizes because of weight classes. So it's not like football where if you're a small kid, they get pummeled at it. At some point you're not gonna be able to play football. I hated football because I was so sad. I remember first day of practice dude,

just getting a little, oh bro, I was like 98 pounds, you know what I'm saying? Like defensive end, just getting fucking hammered dude by some big tight end kid dude. Oh yeah. I remember thinking about myself, my buddy was on a convince me to play, and I remember like, bro, this fucking sucks, dude. All I do is give my ass handed to me all day long.

And when you're that age, like, weight really matters, dude. A kid that's got 20 pounds on you is like, for a 20. And if you're 98 pounds, 20 pounds is 20% bigger. Yeah, that's a lot, dude Like that's a lot like the kids just want force whoop your ass, man That's a big difference. I remember I remember I mean it built character because I'm not a quitter And I'm somebody who's like bust my ass to work towards something so I remember just like every play boom on the ground Boom on the ground boom. Oh, I'm a fuck., you're so angry, man. Eating every day can,

doing all kinds of exercise, trying to put size on. Yes, the wrestling's great. You would have been, yeah, I'm sure you would have been a killer. That would have been way better. You would have been a killer. Way better wrestling. But you would have been a killer because your strengths are perfect. It's another sport that I would say,

this is again, this is what's cool about having parents like you guys who understand biomechanics, understand body types, understand these things that you can kind of like, I wish that I knew these things as a kid or had parents that knew this to kind of guide me into like sport. I wish someone introduced to me swimming and wrestling as a kid because both those things are things that I naturally were really good at later on in my life just naturally. And it makes sense when you look at my body type, I've got these really long limbs, I have long arms and long legs,

which later on I'm ever being an older kid. I would wrestle two of my buddies at once. There's such long arms. If you came in close to me, I'd wrap you up. I had a killer grip, so I could just hold onto you. And I could wrestle guys like that. And that was good for my weight, same thing with swimming, but.

Yeah, no wrestling. Wrestling's great. A crazy amount of discipline, fitness, your, and it makes you it tough because it's not, I mean, it gives you some fighting skills. So if your kid ever needs to do it. Yeah, I grind your way out. Well, if you ever need to do it well, let's be honest,

it's probably 80% or more of all fights end up on the ground. That's what I'm saying. And if you're a kid and it makes you confident it's probably 80% or more of all fights end up on the ground. That's what I'm saying. And if you're a kid and it makes you confident because you're wrestling other kids, and if you ever asked to defend himself, do you know how amazing it is to be able to take a kid down and hold them down and tell them, that's how most kid fights are.

Pushing and then someone goes to the ground and the kid who gets on top and then chokes the other kid or holds the other kid at heart. But there's weight classes and then they goes to the ground and the kid who gets on top and then chokes the other kid or holds the other kid. But there's weight classes and then they learn technique. And so if you're a, I remember this shit, I remember one of our star wrestlers who was a 130 pound kid. He was not a, he was a senior, 130 pound short kid. He got in a fight with a dude that was almost 200 pounds

and he put the guy on, put him on his back and got him down the ground, held him down and that was it 200 pounds. And he put the guy on, put him on his back and got him down the ground, held him down. And that was it, man. And that was, I mean, that's a lot of confidence. Especially 130 pound kid, you know, you're probably gonna get your ass kicked, you fight someone that big. But now when you know how to wrestle.

So, really, really cool, really good, really good sport. Anyway, dude, are we getting the new modular, what are they, the Juve lights? Oh, the ones that you can build? Those are coming in. So how does that work? You can make your own shapes and shit or make them as big as you want?

I'm not sure exactly how, I know that's the idea is that you can link them all together and make them how you want, but we haven't seen it yet. I know Taylor told me he's talking to Juve and they're supposed to be sending over some for us to play with. It says it lets you connect up to six jubes in a single system. So this is like different like square rectangular paths.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, and then you can, and that's cool because what you might want to do is build it so that it's like, a form to whatever space you want to put it in. Yeah, put it in. Or like surround you or whatever, so you can get in there and do that.

Are you still using yours, at them on a regular basis? I'm very consistent with it and I'm and I've been kind of waiting to share with everybody because this has been a you know Something that I've been doing for God. I don't know how many months now and it's for me It's been about two major things one getting my my testosterone and then my psoriasis and I definitely See see the psoriasis like so I definitely see the psoriasis. Like so when I'm good about it, when I'm consistent and I'm getting at least three, four days where I'm spending 10 to 15 minutes in front of it,

it totally keeps my psoriasis suppressed and makes a big difference. The testosterone one is the one I'm really excited about. Now I've taken the men's test, it's in the process right now. I should have it back in the next, probably when this actually airs, I'll probably be getting it the next day or so after that. If you've got a little boost.

Yeah, so I feel like it, I feel better than I've felt in over almost a year now, or since I was on my hormone replacement. So I'm pretty excited, this has been one of the protocols, and I told the story, I don't know, maybe a month or two months ago, when you remember Metaball, if Mike, who came in here,

he was the one that made me really, I was using the Juve light, but I wasn't like being very consistent about it. And when he showed me his test, a strong test before and after his protocol on the Juve, I was so bloated, and he said somebody who I trust, like a trustworthy guy is putting out

really good information like smart dude. And he shared that with me and then I was like, fuck, I'm for sure gonna do this now. Cause I, you know, Ben Greenfield talks a lot about it and kicking up your testosterone levels and putting your balls next to it. And, you know, but Ben does everything. And I'm just like, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, he's out of it. Yeah, right. I'm like, what ever, you know what I'm saying? So when Mike told me that, I was like, everything and I'm the same. You know, I'm saying, I'm a hoodie too. He's all over it. Yeah, right. I'm like, what ever. You know, saying so when Mike told me that, I was like, okay, I'm sold now. I mean, because he went from like, I want to say it was, you went up to 900. Yeah, he went really high.

Wow. It was significant. It was literally like a four, five hundred jump. It was crazy. It was a lot. I was, you know, I'm surprised how much science supports it. I was not aware of all the science that supports that. Well, you remember when we first interviewed the guys, we were really skeptical of the whole

thing. We've done research since. Yeah, well, I remember they were telling me, like, off-air, how they were trying to get Mercola to back them forever, and like, he was giving a really hard time for like a whole year, you know, like, back and forth, back and forth, emails challenging him on all the science. And then finally, he became one of their biggest supporters. Because he saw the science. Yeah.

Well, when we had it here at the studio before Adam took home, I used it every day for like a week. And I know that's not a long time, but you guys know, I'm pretty sensitive. I can tell what's something's happening. And I did feel it. Do you get like a, do you get a vascularizing effect from it? Okay, so that's what I felt. I felt like I'd get under it and then I'd come out

and almost like I had a little bit of a pump, which is kind of strange. Yeah, it is. So I get that from that NR red light or infrared sauna, you get that right? The thing is the heat that does that a lot. But the red light, the juve light's not really super hot. It's not hot, but you feel warm from it.

Yeah, it does penetrate deep. Yeah, I feel, it warms my body temperature up. It definitely warms my body temperature up because it's one of my, I do it as soon as I get out of the shower. So it's like kind of my thing. As soon as I get out of the shower, I go sit on my bed, I sit on their naked, I roll right up to my bed and then I just kind of sit there and I drop my heads hoping that it'll help me regrow through my hair.

Well, look at the study that they quote here, this initial study in 1939, so this thing's been studying this for a long time, meant 120% increase when the participants chest were exposed to the light, 120% increase. Wow. Increase in what? Testosterone. Oh, yeah. That's substantial. No, that's pretty crazy. I'm telling you, it was a big jump that he showed me.

Oh, see, 200% when you exposed it to the general area. So I'm doing it right there. I'm sitting. I sit next to him. Then they did a study on rats and they found that they increased their testosterone levels as well. Wow, this isn't this the rat one is in 2013. I mean, I've seen a lot of other studies. So it's it's definitely it sounds Well, you know what was sketchy about these things what and I remember talking to the guy is that Because there's such great science behind it because the technology is so awesome. You have a lot of knockoffs behind it because the technology is so awesome. You have a lot of knockoffs.

So you have a lot of brands. Very good point. You have a lot of brands that are just fucking patin' a red light bulb. You know what I'm saying? And then saying it's red light therapy. And it's so cheap, you're like, oh shit, why would I go spin 300, 500 bucks on this

jive light when I can go get this light on Amazon for 50 bucks. And so what's happening is there's a lot of scammers that are puttin putting out kind of garbage because of the great science that supports real and they don't see any of the results and value and they're like, oh, this bullshit. Which that's what made me kind of skeptical.

Because I know some people that have had them and used them and I've never heard or seen any difference about them before. And it wasn't until we met these guys did, I really start diving into it and going like, oh shit, I'm cheap out. Yeah, I know, it's worth it. Well, I like it because it's not like,

you know, taking pills or supplements or whatever, it's light that you get from the sun, just coming from concentrated in that form. The counter reminds me of, you know, in the kitchen where like the food waits, you know, I kind of feel like fries sometimes. Like it's just me, yeah. We got to oil you up. I kind of feel like fries sometimes. Like it's just me. Yeah.

We got to oil you up. Speaking of which, are we all supposed to like shave our bodies and tan and shit? Photo thing. You guys can do whatever you want, man. I'm gonna do all that shit. What I'm hoping I can get it. What I'm hoping Doug is gonna be able to, by the way, Doug, were you able to take a picture of yourself?

I did. Oh, good. So what I'm hoping that we can do, this is what I'm thinking. Because at the end of the conversation, we should talk about this because it's coming up in a couple days when this gets released so I'm thinking we go are Before and after pictures right next to each other underneath that will will show people all the stats like for example my before We'll show them where my weight is where my lean body mass where my my fat mass is, where my muscle, right, all that is that, what my actual body fat percentage is, and then the after all those same stats, and then we'll just let everybody like on the forum and stuff like that, they can all do their own little.

Do we really, we got to really post these photos? No, we don't have the post, we can post them on our forum. Yeah, I'm not going to post them on my regular Instagram. Yeah, no, but we can share it longer. Give me longer. Who cares? You wanna say? Well, I don't know, like you guys,

but I'm continuing on. This, for me, was, Oh, I'm for sure gonna get, I'm having fun with this. Yeah, I'm gonna have a little interruption, but yeah, I'll be back. You're getting fat, just say it. Yeah.

Well, good. I'm going back to the dark side. When did you eat this weekend? Did you do good? I did good. No pizza. No pizza. No nothing. Not a donut.

No, no, no. Just meat. Just meat. It went back to clean cold meat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be so tired of that.

It is. It is. I bet it was now. Did you notice this? Because this would be interesting to hear is, you know, after you reintroduced and you had the pizza in the carbs, did you notice the cravings kick back up? Yeah, I was hungry as hell.

Oh, I bet. Well, I wanna say like the, I stopped, I did carbs like up till like the, like Thursday of last week, so I was, I was still eating a bit of carbs and then just cut that over the weekend. So, but yeah, I was like getting, I was so hungry over the weekend, oh my God. Now, where's everybody at, total weight wise?

What do you guys, like your total weight, how much is your weight down since the beginning? Let's see, so. You were like seven the last time I did. I was 230 something, so I'm like 218 right now. Jesus. Oh wow. But the thing is I gained weight.

I went to 215 and then I just gained like three pounds as I was going through my carb. That's a huge loss of hopefully body fat. It looks like body fat. Yeah, that's fucking good. So good 15 pounds that you went down. Yeah. Doug, what do you want, what'd you go to?

Yeah, seven pounds. You're seven. Yeah. Were you? I had the most to lose. Yeah, mine is going to vary between four to eight, depending on how depleted or how much carbs or whatever. I mean, so I'm not sure or how much carbs or whatever I mean.

So I'm not sure. Right now I'm dipping below 190 when I'm eating very, very low carbs. And I think I weighed at the place. I think I weighed 195 or six if I'm not mistaken. I don't remember what the weight was. So you're only down about five pounds. I am. And I, I, you know, I don't want to put my foot in my mouth, but I feel like I put lean body mass at the moment at the same time.

This is, this last six weeks, my gut health has been so good. Why? Because I haven't eaten out at all, or mostly not at all. And it makes a big difference. And when my gut feels healthy, I tend to put on muscle. So I'm hoping I put on lean body mass as well. Well, I imagine you did. You've probably ramped up your trigger sessions.

You've ramped up the volume because you're training these Saturdays. So, I mean, you're not in the, the sounds of you're not in a peer-peer cut. So, I'm sure you did. Anyway, I started cardio. So, I did hit yesterday. You did, first day hit.

Yep, first day I go. It was rough, but it was only 12 minutes, you know. And you know, that's a good point. I'm glad you brought that up because I got a lot of DMs And now I can address this because I'm not gonna fucking respond all of them takes too long So People are asking like they read the hit guide and everything that I did the whole and they were responding like oh It says what not to do but it's a what to do and what you got what you're what your guys this protocol from hit for hit

And when I do this or so so this is my first one, and obviously this will change as I get in better shape and better cardio is shaped throughout this week. So I did 12 minutes, and I went as hard as I could for a minute. So I went as hard as I, and I was on the elliptical as my. And so it's one minute, and then, and then I just let my heart work in on it, and I timed it so I could share with people, but I'm not following a protocol. Oh, I see.

So it took about 90 seconds for my heart to settle all the way back down. So you wait till it settles down the bridge. Yes. And however long that is. Right, and for me right now, that's 90 seconds. Now, as I get in better cardio shape, that's probably gonna be a minute

and then maybe even 45 seconds. And I'll probably- This is the elliptical that you're using? Yeah, I use elliptical, just because my keelie still is not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the target of like eight to 10 and then 10 to 12 and 12 to 14 and then 14 to 16. Yeah, you're over 15 right now. Oh, I'm up to 18,000 steps. Oh, wow. It's a lot of steps too. I'm sorry.

So this whole week, the goal is for me to land between 18 to 20 with the hit in there. So if all goes well, I should, I should be able to do that. It is important to note that though, not that you're doing this or anyone else, but this is an important thing to share on the show is if you do have a date to get, you know, lean by or whatever, the last week before it is not the time to cram everything in. So I don't wanna give that impression

because a lot of people do that. They're like, I need to lose 20 pounds for, you know, the beach and then they'll go into it and the week of, they're like, I need to lose 10 more pounds. And they go insane. I'm not eating anything and doing an insane amount of coffee. Yeah, you want the bulk, the majority of everything

you're gonna do the previous week before, or the weeks before. Well, mine's been very methodical all the way through, right, like I just said. I don't want to go into 18,000 steps, isn't a big deal because I was just tapped for 16 last week. Exactly. I just don't want people listening, oh,000 steps isn't a big deal because I was just to have four to 16 last week. I just don't want people listening to think,

oh, they're doing everything last week. No, I've just been really focused on activity and steps and just not sitting at all. I've done no sitting this entire six weeks, just been active, active, active. So that's really helped. And I haven't done any cardio. It's definitely, I've had to go out of my way because we are way more sedentary with what we do now than

why I ever have been like I'm just not trained. I don't train clients or do anything that is that's why it's been so nice. You know, I felt that like I felt just like I'm sitting and I'm sitting like hard driving home. I'm sitting, you know, everywhere. It sucked. Yeah. No, it's kept me like, I mean, I'm maintaining the house really well right now. So it's kind of like one of the things that I like about it is that when you, when I have these step goals, it's real easy to justify getting up

and going and sweeping or cleaning downstairs or carrying shit out. Like it's just, oh fuck, I need my steps anyways. I wanted to knock this out. The house is messy. I'll do this, you know, So that's kind of the cool part about when I do things like this where I'm actually tracking the steps is, it's really easy to come home

from a long day of work and justify I've had a busy day and I'm just gonna sit down and veg for the rest of the day. So different man, yeah, I mean, I repaired my roof for the winter, I got all the gut know, all this gutters emptied out, all the leaves, like my whole property looks different. Awesome, dude, yeah. Awesome.

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Our first question is from 00 Silk Drop. Could someone who naturally does a lot of neat and averages 15 to 20,000 steps per day Fall into the same trap as someone who does excessive amounts of cardio Such as having a hard time putting a muscle and losing fat. So I've gotten a lot of questions like this Over the last couple months where people are saying answers. Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly should I Not move during the day because you guys talk so much about adapting your cardio? What I want to be very clear here is lots of activity. Let's just say for levels,

let's just play devil's advocate and let's say that it does, your body and your metabolism does adapt as a result. Does that mean you don't get any health benefits from that activity? No. No, you're still getting lots of health benefits for moving throughout the day.

And part of those health benefits include a probably better hormone profile, better mobility, which then also contributes to better muscle mass. The difference with neat and cardio is neat is just your everyday movement, and it's not. It's a lot more varied, right? You got a lot of different movements, you're incorporating, you're not just, you know,

droning in on one specific type of movement all. It's not super intense. And from a lifestyle perspective, it's far easier for me to get a client to implement, you know, 10 to 12,000 or 15,000 steps a day, then to say do 45 minutes to an hour of cardio a day. Because when you do that cardio, it's a schedule. Okay, I gotta get into my workout clothes,

I gotta get on the machine, and maybe I gotta go to the gym to do it, or schedule this time to do it. Whereas when they're paying attention throughout the whole day, they're just moving more. They're parking further. They're taking the stairs instead of the elevator. They're getting up from their desk and moving a little bit.

And it's spread out throughout the entire day. And it's already worked into their lifestyle, which makes it a lot easier to stick to. The other thing I want to mention is they have done studies on cardio where they've compared, where people will do all the cardio in one block versus groups where they take the cardio and they split that block up into two or three sessions.

And the metabolic adaptations that occur from cardio seem to happen at a lower rate when people split it up. Now this may be why bodybuilders have instinctively done cardio in the morning and again later in the day versus doing it all at once Because this is typically what bodybuilders do right they'll do if they do an hour cardio day typically a bodybuilder We'll say well they'll do 30 minutes in the morning and then 30 minutes post workout and there there seems to be some science to support That spreading out of of the activity. So neat is it's it's naturally kind of like that or at least it should be

In my opinion so yeah Well, I mean she's asking to like as far as putting on muscle to while that can be challenging and and or losing fat for the 15 to 20,000 steps So I think it can be I also think that a lot of people that fall in this category where they they move this much people that fall in this category where they move this much, tend to have like a day or two where they don't quite move that much. And then they decide to add some sort of cardio or something in their day and then it still ends up averaging around the same amount.

And so that's where I think there becomes this, like I don't understand, I'm doing cardio, I'm already doing all stuff, is that the reason why I'm not seeing results, but in reality, they're still just kind of averaging out what their body would normally move. So you can see a challenge there. The other challenge, putting muscle on

when you're moving that much. So this is one of the challenges I dealt with when I was a trainer was I was burning like 5,000 calories a day. My steps were ridiculous. I was stepping 20,000 steps every single day because I'm training clients, one after another, after another, another. And then on top of that, I was trying to add muscle. And so I just couldn't get in the calories, consistently get the calories in. I mean, if I'm averaging a burn of 5,000 calories every day, I've

got to be averaging 5,000 calories or more of food a day for the most part, right? So that can be really challenging for somebody who steps that much. So I get that part more. So I get, you know, it's, it is tough to build muscle when you're somebody who has got a lot of activity because you probably have a pretty high calorie burn. And so you're trying to keep up with that. Now would you worry about that with 15,000, 10 to 15,000 steps?

Would you worry? I don't, I mean, it sounds like a lot, but it really is fun. 15 to 20, dude. Yeah, 20,000 steps is a good amount of steps. I mean, that person's that person. I mean, here's the thing, like, here's the thing. If you build a lot of muscles, people who carry a lot of muscle,

that's not an adaptation that works well for lots of movement. It just doesn't. That doesn't mean you're sedative where you don't move at all because that'll also make you lose muscle. But when you look at, like, if you have an extreme case, you look at a bodybuilder, a pro bodybuilder, that's an extreme case, of course. But when you look at pro bodybuilders,

they don't move that much. They typically don't. It's exhausting. They're moving with a ton of muscle. They do really well when they lift weights and that's pretty much it. But for the average person, 10,000, 12,000 steps is probably okay. I think Adam's probably right, 15 to 20 is quite a bit and it may cause some issues with

gaining muscle, but how much of an issue would it cause for you? I mean, I guess if you want to gain an extra four or five pounds of muscle, you might want to bring that down a little bit, but if you just want to be fit and healthy, that's probably a better balance, right? To have... Well, I think it's the consuming enough calories, just bottom line. I mean, I know who this is, right? So we know who this person is.

She's very lean. She's very active. She's working on her silks all day long, and she's probably training a ton of clients on the silks and doing things like that. So she's probably burning a significant amount of calories on a very regular basis and I would, I'm willing to bet that she's probably not somebody who eats four, five, six times a day and is probably cannot keep intentionally schedule it, you know, more frequently. That's what I had to do. I mean, for me to build, so I was a tall, lanky, skinny guy who was lifting weights

and training clients all day long. And in order for me to put size on, I had to eat 5,000 count roughly. I'm using that for, you know, some days I could eat 4,000, some days I could eat 55, whatever, but in that range. And what I found when I really started tracking, I realized that I could have,

I'd have a couple days where I do really good, and then I'd have a day or two where I just got busy. I didn't prep my meals that day, and so then all of a sudden, it would be three o'clock in the afternoon, and I'd only consume 1500 calories, and I'm like, fuck, I gotta eat 4,000 more calories by tonight, like it just wasn't gonna happen.

So, it could be that, it could be that she's just burning a lot of calories and if she's trying to build muscle and she's struggling with that, I mean, it's probably because of that and you have one or two choices, you can start to try and step less or move less or you gotta try and consume more calories. Now, I recommend when I have, you know,

quote unquote, hard gainers, you know, when you know you're going going to a maybe a long bout of movement, like you're going to train four, like I used to have these four hour blocks. So that's normally I wouldn't train more than about four clients, although I did sometimes, but rarely train four in a row without at least a 15 minute or 30 minute break. You know, I would make sure that I get a good, high carb meal going in there. So my body has got all this glycogen to pull from and use instead of me constantly tapping in

and probably burning and then my body losing body weight. So I have an interesting story too on this because I do want to, I don't want us to push hard that cardio somehow makes you lose muscle. I think context matters quite a bit because I've had clients and I've experienced this personally where they were so inactive that all they would do is lift weights with me once, you know, between two to three days a week.

Then the rest of the time they were so inactive that when I had them add a little bit of cardio because it improved their health, they actually built more muscle and more strength. I experienced this myself because I used to go through these periods of bulking and I was under the belief that I shouldn't burn any extra calories. And then when I started implementing more walking and cardio because I noticed my cardiovascular shape wasn't good, I actually built a bit of my muscle. I noticed that from fast twitch and plyometric type movement, specifically that really did help me to build different, you know, like my mass changed. Like I could visibly see it in my body, you know, because of that type of fast twitch movement, like what it did to my physique.

So it's possible. I mean, it's definitely possible. Well, I anticipate this this week. So this is part of the strategy for me too of incorporating this hit as I know this will carry over into my training. I'm also gonna be increasing my volume in my training right now, and it'll just, I don't have to like go after it,

it'll just naturally happen because I'm gonna increase my gas tank. New stimulus. And then I'll go into my weight training and I'll be able, my watch. Do you have to push harder? Yes, I'll be able to push harder with shorter rest periods,

which will send a new signal and adaptation towards the muscle building side. So that's part of the strategy for me and how I do this. And this exactly how I didn't competing is once I started ramping up that hit, then I could increase that intensity inside the weight room, too. So no, absolutely, how's that carryover? Next question is from Evolved Fitness. What different skill sets are necessary for online training versus in-person training? How are people really doing online coaching for the most part?

I know how I do it, but I don't think it's how most people do it. And this has been a struggle because what I've noticed the way that I've trained people is very much on like assessment, functional training, like less on the overall aesthetic and physique of like manipulating with what you're eating and you know weighing in and that type of stuff which I've heard you guys talk about a lot a little coaching people online. So yeah, I'm curious how people are going to handle that part of it other than

like video type you know checkups. Yeah, because coaching online is a lot of nutrition coaching. Yeah, I yeah, mainly the sense. Yeah, there's way more training coaching when you're in person in my experience, and way more nutrition coaching online, just because, you know, I'm not able to sit there and watch you work out and see what's happening in real time. They can send me videos, and I can give you advice, but it's not the same as when you're training in person. Right. For that, I mean, the way I coach online

is I'm in contact with people daily and we talk about their workouts, the nutrition, advice and I guide them along the way. When I train people in person, I didn't really text a lot with people. I would train them, we'd workout. I do their workout that have a great workout is very appropriate, with the correctional component

or the muscle building component or whatever, I tell them what to do, and then I wouldn't typically see them until the next session, and we may have one or two texts in between, but it's not the daily type of thing that you do with online coach, at least in my experience.

Well, I have some cool stuff I can give you right now, because I actually have somebody who I am helping in person right now. I'm actually done, I just am helping in person right now. I'm actually done. I just finished the last time with her. And I actually virtually coached her first. So her first experience with me was virtually coaching. And then I've now coached her once a week into like training, just one on one.

And I think they're two completely different monsters. And I can I provide totally different services on both of them. So when I'm coaching online, it's 100% all around macros. I mean, I make all clients that I would coach online. They all have maps programs and that's their, you follow it, there's videos in there for you to do it. It is what it is.

Like, I can't fucking virtually teach you how to feel things the way I need you is. Like, I can't fucking virtually teach you how to feel things the way I need you as I could when I'm in person. So it really is just all nutritional coaching. And then when I'm in person, and this is, and she would be a really cool person to talk to about this type of a question because she's like really digging this and she moved down to LA and she's, she wants to fly up now, once a week, just so she can continue the one-on-one coaching because she's hitting all these crazy PRs now with me and she's seeing things in her body. You saw Jessica the other day, right?

Yep, yep, yep. So she's like blown away by what's happening from work out. And now there's two things that I told her. I said, one, when we first started training, I said, I'm going to be your pace car. So I'm going to dictate your intensity. Now, when I'm training someone in person, I can control this. I can push them, I can look at all their bodies, signals.

I can see the way she's breathing, I can see the way she's struggling between sets. I know I can get, I can probably get a better idea for her perceived intensity than she can herself because I've been doing this for so long. So over the course of the last three months that we were working together, I would gradually increase her intensity and I would be the one dictating that and controlling that week over week so she would continually progress. And

probably the most beneficial thing was squatting and deadlifting. So that's where the main, that was like the focus. Every time she came in a train with me, like we didn't do bullshit, fucking biceps, and tries to have exercises, like that's not stuff that I'm really gonna add value to her. I am going to, I took all the mechanically challenging movements and I gave her where her money is best spent, I think, in my opinion with myself, which is these crazy little detailed cues.

So then I could take her and for her, like we were deadlifting. Now, she's got a very, very slight, her foot pronates on her right side just a tiny bit, and runs all the way up, and she fills it in her hip, sometimes she fills it in her low back. None of that would I have been able to have figured out

without seeing her in person and watching her move. So I picked it up before she noticed the side effects because just like any client, they normally have before the bell really goes off for them is when the pain or something feels weird and off. But I remember the very first day that we deadlifted and I was already critiquing and then I would give her these things to do. Like, okay, I want you to, you know, get the lacrosse ball out, get a roll your foot out, then you're gonna hit your peronials, then you hit your IT, and then I want you to do. I want you to get the lacrosse ball out, roll your foot out, then you're going

to hit your peronials, hit your IT, and then I want you to do 90-90. Of course, just like every client does, when I give them a recommendation like this, they say yes, and then they don't go put the work in like they should. Then she'd come back and then she'd deadlift again, and I'm not seeing it improve. She's getting this tightness that's getting worse and worse. And then finally, it starts to really bother her. And then she finally starts to put the work in. And then she finally sees it pay off. And then she starts to see it carry over into strength.

And then then this whole thing clicks. Now, that was a progression of weeks and weeks of seeing me one on one. And that is something that I can't deliver to her. I couldn't deliver to her when I was coaching her. I coached her for almost a year, virtually prior to that. And of course, she's asked me questions about weight training

and I answer them as best as I can. But until I see that body move, I can't give her, and... Yeah, it's way more of the training aspect in person. I think it's way more of the training aspect in person. I think it's way more the nutrition aspect online. Right. Because I don't, I never coached my clients with nutrition, this and depth as I do with online.

I did help coach them, but it wasn't like, I'm not texting them every day. What did you eat? Let's go through. There was a few, but not very often, because they would pay me for the training. Right. Yeah, I'm very skeptical to see if even technology

can replicate that because it's such a nuance thing. Like being the trainers we are in the experience we have and the things we look for, there's so many variables that that everybody comes in with decades of movement patterns that are establishing these solidified recruitment patterns that you really have to have a trained eye to discern. You can't even do, even when you do video,

even if I notice an issue in a video, I can't see in the video. Well, even when I do, even when I do see the issue, how do you correct that? Okay, here's what I want you to do. Try doing this with your shoulder, you know how this is, you could tell a client, I want you to take your left shoulder,

bring it, don't have the feedback in your person. Yeah, you get another good example of this. So the last time I seen I seen her we were you know, she's gotten really good at dead. And by the way, she's pulling 300 pounds deadlifting for sure. And which is for a girl who never deadlifted before. That's a lot of weight. Yeah, for yeah, 300 pounds dude. So when we when we start getting creeping up in her way, like I also I also video her When we start getting creeping up in her weight, I also video her so I can use that to kind of show her. So, it's something that common thing that would happen.

When we are doing really lightweight, so with 135 pound Delif for her is really light. She's done that so many times now. She gets in there, mechanics are beautiful. And then as she starts to creep up towards her PR, the fear sets in. And so she would start to drop her hips too low to do it and then her low back would give.

Now, I can say that to her a million times, right? But I video it, I show her, and then I pause her in the middle of the lift and say, like, I'm right there to touch her as soon as she does it. And here's what we talk about the question while back when you touch clients. Here's where I touch a client. Because you show them where to put them and slap her right on the side of the hip as soon as she does it. And here's, we talked about your question while back like when you touch clients. Here's where I touch a client.

Because you show them where to put them. I slap her right on the side of the hip as soon as she does. I'm sitting right next to her. And I'm like, now listen, let me show you what you're doing. And then the moment I see it, I'm gonna let you know. So she gets all in her place, she gets ready to pull and I see your hips drop. Wack, I hit her right on the side right there.

I don't know, you just did it right there. And then she gets it, and then we have to do that. We're all guilty of that. I mean, the most experienced lifter is guilty of that. And that's why you need a coach to identify some of the own patterns that they visibly see that. You don't see it because it's like we're just like unaware completely. And getting clients is very different in person than online. I mean, when you get clients in person, you do use online services and social media,

and that's one way, but, you know, you gotta meet the people, you have to be in front of them, sit down with them, do an assessment. Online, it's all online. It's a totally different scaling process. It's a different way of building a clientele. It's a totally different monster.

Well, I think it'll work, you know, if you build up to that. Like if you establish a good foundation with your clients and like you can, you know, graduate towards that, like that, that'll totally work on the training side. Um, but I just don't know. Your marketing needs to be on point for online training. You can get away with it not being on point for in person, especially if you're working in a gym and you can just go talk to people on the workout floor.

But if it's online, your social media needs to be on point. Otherwise, it'd be very difficult to get climbed. I think they're both awesome. And I think there's a lot of value in both of them. I think they're extremely different. And my prices reflect that. Like I was charging, I started at $250, obviously when my pump got to where it was at

and everything I was charging a lot more because of my time was limited. And for me to do that, it only made sense if it was at and everything I was charging a lot more because of my time was limited and for me to do that, it only made sense if it was more money. But originally, when I was online training, it was only 250 for a whole month and you got this virtual coaching. And all I used to dive into is nutrition. So I think if I'm advising a trainer who's thinking about doing either or both, I would say, well, if you're going to be a very successful online trainer, then I would spend a majority

of my time really understanding nutrition and everything about all the nuances of nutrition and understand diets really well and understand gut health and all these things because the types of questions that you're going to be troubleshooting are those. Like, a client's going to be messaging you saying, like, oh, my, my gut, like, I feel bloated or I feel it's like, well, you need to be able to look back at their diet the day before what they consume and be able to look back at their diet the day before what they consume and be able to troubleshoot that with them. Like, oh wow, well you look like you,

we had four ounces of cheese this day and you normally don't have that, maybe you have some sort of an intolerance. So let's try eliminating that. So that's the type of conversations that you're having virtually when it's online training is mostly geared around trouble shooting nutrition and there's gonna be a variance for every person that you coach.

So you gotta be really fucking well versed in that if you're gonna be successful at it. So that's where I'm putting most of my energy and focus. Then if you're in person, I think the biggest bang for your buck in person is mechanics. Like you gotta be very mechanically sound. And the movements that are gonna benefit you, like anybody can teach a basic standard bicep curl, it's pretty easy. It's the movements that are most challenging. The overhead presses, the dead lifts, the squatting movements like that that are where people are going to break down. You've got to be able to see that and see where, you know, normal, common and balances are. And then address it like, I mean, I don't know how many times I've

done this where I teach a squat. The squat looks pretty good. The client common, and balances are, and then address it. Like, I mean, I don't know how many times I've done this, where I teach a squat, the squat looks pretty good, the client gets up and they go, I feel it all my quads, I don't feel anything in my butt, and then literally from right there, we stop squatting, I walk over, I do, I do, right, then I start do some movements to prime their glutes and then get in the relief, okay, you feel that?

Okay, let's do 10, 15 of those. Yeah, you can't do that online. Right, you can't do that. And then I walk them over, and then they do it, and then all of a sudden, that connection happens right there. Like, that's impossible to do that, or do that online. Right, you can't do that. And then I walk them over and then they do it. And then all of a sudden that connection happens right there. Like that's impossible to do that or give that virtually. So, and that's also why you charge significantly higher for that in person because those things are intangible.

Next question is from Kelsar, the magnificent. Kelsar! What are your thoughts on YouTube fitness brands, such as KinoBody, that push intermittent fasting as their main selling point for fat loss and Literally write it into their program. You see Lane talking shit on our our page. No, did he? What do you say? Yeah, he's just laughing at him because you know, you guys look at this guy stuff very much or no? Yeah, I've seen like I've probably seen the same videos over and over. It's just like this over the top like Drone shot, you know his mansion whatever like and then him working out and doing like bicep curls and bench

Yeah, you gotta be sure of and be awesome. I'm salt. Yeah, you know, does anybody know his backstory on? No, I think his I think his program you certainly didn't get you certainly didn't get that rich being a fitness guy I'll tell you that right now. Well, maybe he's not money on the cell shit online No, no, no, no, no, bro I have to say fuck no. Yeah, I don't he's got how big is this channel? He's got a massive channel He might have no, I mean, I'm not now. Yeah, no, I'm not saying he's not made but that house is a big fucking house That he's and he's the toys that he had the kids either one trust fund or he made money doing something else before. Yeah.

And that's not to say he's not making great money now. I'm sure he's making great money now. He's got pretty big hands. But that's his whole brand is to look like he's like super, you know, flossy from the get-go. Yeah, he calls himself the real Bruce Wayne. No way. Yes, really?

Yes, oh my god. Self-proclaimed. He goes and fitness, right? Oh, great. I mean, here's, it's brilliant. Okay, but it depends, right? It depends on what you're going after. I don't think it's that brilliant because if you were to, like, here's, okay, let's do the bag model.

Let's, well, I was gonna be that mean. I'll go ahead and be that mean. Well, here's, okay, and this is something that, this is a critique that I have on some of some of these fitness guys like this. They are chasing the likes and the subscribers so much that they don't think about who they're appealing to as much. And they're I guarantee you, if I were to get back and look at all his numbers, I guarantee his conversion rates do not even come close to somebody else that's probably appealing to a different demographic. The number one, I guarantee his conversion rates do not even come close to somebody else that's probably appealing to a different demographic. The number one, I guarantee his group is 15 to 25 years old is the highest amount of traffic that he's seeing.

It's also the broken traffic. So the people that are converting from that are viewing. So kids see like subscribers and they're like, oh my god, he's got a million views. Oh, he has all this stuff with that. Well, it's great. You know how many people I meet that have a million views and they don't make hardly any money because they're attracting these young boys. Just, I mean, I would be so into that. If he was, if I was 17 years old,

right when I got into lifting and I came across Kino body, 100%, he's the kid. I probably would have like, because I wanted to have the big house and the cool house and the cool cars and the long hair that that especially for me now. I still want that. So desirable. I mean that stuff would totally appeal to me, but I was also 17 and I was broke. So I couldn't afford all of his programming or spending a lot of money. So well he's one of the bigger names and I guess the

fitness space of the YouTube fitness space and you know I haven't looked at a lot of this stuff, but if he's pushing fasting as a way to lose fat, I disagree with that. I don't think not eating is a strategy to lose weight or go for long periods without eating. I'm not saying fasting is not good. I'm the biggest proponent of fasting, but I don't like-

So it's a mentality for that. I don't like pushing fasting as a weight loss tool, because that is a road to eating disorder bill. He's only got 400,000 subscribers from him. I don't know. I don't know. That ain't shit. Well, come on. Yeah, that much more.

Yeah, no weak sauce. No, pushing fasting to lose fat is a road to eating disorders. It's a road to having a bad relationship to food. This was what I coached. When I first became a trainer and I started figuring things out, I had to work a lot on this with clients because back in the day people come to me and never ate breakfast, I never eat lunch. So I have to work with them on how to incorporate meals.

Fasting is healthy, it's good for you when you do it appropriately. When you do it inappropriately, you're just using it as a tool to mess with yourself like you would with any other tool that you have a bad relationship with. And or it's important to know, if you fast too consistently all the time, it's not very good for your hormone profile

and it becomes a stress on the body. I feel like I went through that. I mean, it was one of those things that's convenient because, you know, you know, you know, you can kind of manage your weight by eliminating certain meals out throughout your day, but inevitably your body is going to adapt to that. And now, you know, going forward like trying, like you need to reintroduce food, you need to up, you know, your calories in order to break that up and make sure that your metabolism is healthy. The hormone effects from too much fasting are more women are more sensitive to it.

I've had lots of messages like this over the years now where women will say, well I fast every single day and now I'm starting to get these following symptoms and a lot of them are symptoms of... Hair loss. Oh yeah, like hormone imbalances. And sometimes if I recommend them and I'll say them, look I'm not a doctor, but here's what I would suggest. In this case, stop fasting and see if it all, if anything changes for it. In many cases, it does. Too much fasting for men will even lower testosterone and fasting raises cortisol.

One of the reasons why you have energy when you fast is because your cortisol goes up. Cortisol gives you energy, okay? So this is the hormone that spikes in the morning to wake you up. It's actually a feel good hormone. The reason why it goes up when you're stressed is just trying to mobilize energy

in case something happens. Now, too much exposure to cortisol, not a good thing. If you have lots of stress, you're working out like crazy, and you fast all the time, might not be a good idea to do that on a consistent, consistent basis, especially if you're using it solely for the fat loss effects. My opinion today is different than it was

when I first discovered the benefits of fasting. When I first discovered it, I thought intermittent fasting was the greatest thing ever. Now I think more sporadic, longer fast or probably better. I don't think this daily, every single day, especially to use, and by the way, we've never recommended fasting for weight loss. I mean, they used to call that just not eating.

I've been in the same place with it since the day we even wrote the guide and even before that. It directly conflicts with my philosophy on how I teach 99% of all my clients when I first would get them because rarely ever did I ever meet somebody and say hey Track your food for a week and then I get it and they're hitting all their nutritional targets and all they're doing is over Consuming that rarely ever happens that never. Most people are doing this like starve, over-feed, starve, over-feed type of mentality where they don't give their body the nutrients they need,

and then they over-consume the bullshit they don't need. So taking somebody from that place, and then just telling them to starve more or more often or in a, in a, whether their cravings are gonna increase. It's just not a smart strategy. Like it's, I've always said it that I've looked at fasting as an advanced way of dieting.

And so I do teach it, but it's down the road. Like, it's way after I've been coaching you for months, and I've been trying to get you the understand the benefits of all the different macronutrients and what your body needs and the possible intolerances that you might have going on. Once I get you kind of honed in on all of that stuff and you have a real good understanding of nutrition and you've been consistent eating what your body needs for what you're doing,

then I can show you how to intermittently fast every once in a while. And I've never, ever promoted, I've never had a single client that I've ever encouraged to fast daily. I just think that silly. I've never had a single client that I've ever encouraged to fast daily. I just think that's silly. I've personally messed with that before. I've seen it. I think that your body gets so used to that that the benefits that everybody talks about. Those are all from short studies. So it's like, yeah, if you take somebody who's never fast before, then also they intermittent fast every single day, you do a short three month study on that person. I bet you can see all kinds of health markers extend that study for six

months a year, two years. and I bet their bodies adapted so much to that they're not seeing any of the health benefits anymore. That's my theory on fasting like that. So like, when I'm sour, I started doing the fast for two or three days, one time a month, I think that's brilliant, especially for somebody who consistently eats and feeds his body correctly, what a great way to intermittently interrupt that process by restricting for food for a day to three days. Well, this is the thing, the reason why I would even promote fasting in the first place

is not for weight loss. If any weight loss happens from fasting, that's a side effect. The things that I recommend fasting for are, you know, cellotophagy, right? The cleaning out of bad material in your body, the program cell death, the stimulating of stem cells so that when you do refeed food relationship, you build up new, you know, your immune system comes back and it comes back. Ney, you restronger, recensitize your body to insulin and sugar, food relationship. When you go without food for three days, you really learn how you rest in time. Stronger. Resensitize your body to insulin and sugar.

Food relationship. When you go without food for three days, you really learn how to deal with your stress and your anxiety without having to feed yourself. You relearn what hunger feels like. There's a spiritual component. There really is because whether you're, I don't care who you are, food does act like a drug in some ways. And when you go without it, there's some growth that tends to happen.

Those are the reasons why I recommend fasting and you get better results from that from doing a kind of a longer fast. So I think the guys that are out there promoting it as a fat loss tool is whack. That's what I think. Straight up if he's using, if he's promoting it. Of course they're gonna do this because,

you know, we have called that though, at the very beginning. I mean, we talked about Intermin, I mean, go all the way back to like, I don't know where we first started talking. It's so far probably. Yeah, one of the first episodes when we first ever mentioned it,

I remember us, you know, telling people, this is not something that everybody should be doing. You most certainly should not be doing it as a fat loss tool. It is not, it should not be used that way. It should be just a nice side effect that happens when you intermittently introduce everyone's well with what's happening and what we knew would happen

is because of all the good science that supports it, people again will take it to extreme and now you got these people that are marketing it. And though a lot of these people that are doing it, they're following it and they're seeing, sure they're seeing great results, of course, you don't eat for that many hours every single day, you eventually will lose weight.

So your calories. Yeah. But how many people one will maintain that? And even if you do maintain that, now the lot of the health benefits, I'm sure are starting to diminish because you've been doing it consistently for so long. Next question is from Cam Melvin.

I've been doing CrossFit for about seven years. It's been hard for the past several years for me to keep the physique that I want. I look fit, but would definitely like to be leaner. I'm starting to think that I have been doing high intensity training for years and my metabolism has adapted. Over the summer, I have been mixing it up and doing maps aesthetic some days instead of CrossFit. I really enjoy CrossFit, and I'm not going to quit it, but was wondering the best formula to combine a map program and CrossFit to be able to maintain a leaner physique and help my metabolism rev up.

So I'm gonna tease you a little bit, Cam, for this, because it's like, you've been doing CrossFit and then your answer to this plateau is to throw more at it. Yeah. Probably not gonna help. No, I don't think, I'm gonna calm down. And I'm sure I'll piss some people off, is to throw more at it. Yeah. Probably not gonna help. No. I don't think, I'm gonna-

I'm gonna calm down. And I'm sure I'll piss some people off, but for an aesthetic look, for lean and muscle and shape and all that stuff, CrossFit's not the best way to get there. Now, I'm not saying you're not gonna improve the way you look if you weren't working out before you need to CrossFit,

you will. They incorporate some of the best exercises, a lot of intensity. Maybe the initial shock of it, but no, but it's not, it's not, uh, it's not the best way, um, if you're, if you're aesthetically driven CrossFit training is really good to get you good at CrossFit. So, you know, to be clear, like what is CrossFit, what is CrossFit? It's me able to do these workouts under time. It's be able to do specific combination of workouts, sometimes modeled after the games,

sometimes modeled after whatever the gym instructor puts together, but it's gonna make you better at CrossFit. And you're gonna get a lot of a combination of things, endurance, stamina, strength, it's all kind of a mix. It's punishment. You know, like people love punishment. And like I get it, like again,

I'm gonna keep kind of voicing this to athletes and people that are in this space and this mentality. It's addictive. We love that shit. You know, I like to like leave a workout. Like I just hammered my body and I'm sweaty and sore and it's fucking addictive. You need to break out of that addiction.

Yeah, if you understand what it feels like to be more mentally disciplined. Well, if he steps out of it, if you came, if you got out of CrossFit, I think it's a sheep. If you got out of CrossFit and you did a maps program or another, it's all you should do. Well, plan program, just do that.

Give it three to four months. Will you lose performance in CrossFit? Yes. Okay. So I'm going to be clear here. If you follow the program like maps aesthetic or maps and a ballic, which are more of the aesthetic based programs, you will go, if you did go back to CrossFit after three months, you'll be stronger on some lifts for sure,

but you're going to lose some performance. But you're going to get leaner and build more muscle. Now, if you want to do the best of both worlds, I would say stop CrossFit, do maps, performance. You'll still build more muscle, still get a little leaner. You'll go back to CrossFit and you probably won't lose that much if anything at all. Here's the thing, why not take a one year hiatus? Go back in a year. You know, why not?

You're trying to do two things that are conflicting. It's like, why it's the same topic that I had with Katrina with these Spartan races. It's like, you can't beat yourself up, you know, hun, for not wanting to or not building the body that you love or you dream to have while you're also chasing after a Spartan race. They're conflicting goals. Does it mean that you can't run a Spartan race and look awesome? Like my girl looks great still and she's still got a great body fat percentage, but I'll tell you right now her body has changed just in this last three months. She does not look like the same body that she had just six months to a year ago. That's because I had her completely body building for the last two, three years leading up to that.

And so her shape has changed. Now her body fat percentage on the on the machine looks awesome. It looks just as good. So she's low body fat percentage. But the shape of her body, the way that she wants to look is changing. And it's like, well, you there's going to be a give somewhere. So if you're going to cross fit, you're not going to probably be the most aesthetic way, not the most aesthetic version of yourself. Can you get a static? Can you be lean? Can you look good? Yeah, I sure you can, but you're not going to be the best version of yourself that way, unless you train for the best way to train to look that way, which would be a more bodybuilding style of a routine. So, you know, adding more to what you're already doing is not going to do that.

And if Cam is done this for seven years and is saying, I would like to be leaner, I'm assuming she's tried things with her diet because I would be the first place. Okay, we'll look at your diet whatever. I'm assuming she's tried and she's struggling and if she's been doing that hardcore intensity type workout consistently for that long and she's finding out her body's just holding on to stubborn body fat, you could be causing some issues. You definitely could be causing some issues. I'm not a person. I mean, you're right.

That would be the first thing. If you want to continue your CrossFit, don't add maps aesthetic, just change your diet. Just get into a little... If she's already tried. Right, well, that's, I mean, I would say lower your calories. Lower your calories by 200 calories a day, and you should lean out even more.

But what I don't know is, are you already at 1500 or 1800 calories for a person who's doing CrossFit four or five days a week? That's pretty fucking low. And 200 calories less is not a place where you probably want to be. It means you've slowed your metabolism down. So spend a year of revving your metabolism back up

and do a bodybuilding type routine, feed your body, build some muscle, lose a little bit of endurance, you can get that back fucking so quick. By the way, people don't realize this. I mean, I'll change my cardio endurance this week. Endurance adaptations, you gain them and lose it fast. Super fast.

So, yeah. So, I mean, this is why, for people that don't know this, this is why this has been going on forever, for as long as I know, every sport does this, basketball, football football baseball. Everybody knows what their first, what happens when you get back in school. You got one week, one week in the coaches do what they call hell week. And some football does a double days basketball. All we did was

run lines and burp are fucking, you know, gut busters or whatever you want to call them. And you run your ass off for one week and you're already in condition. Like getting your endurance back, don't worry. That's, I used to tell that to clients all the time. The wonderful thing about strength is, well, the bad part about strength is it takes a while to build it, but it actually sticks with you for a little while. Endurance, you gain quickly, you lose that shit quickly.

Like if you did endurance training this week and you took next week off, the following week, you you'd be back to yeah, no absolutely now with strength trainings Sometimes I could take a week or two off and come back and be stronger, you know with with when it comes a strength I just you know that someone like this. I'm sure Seven years of doing this you're probably in the same box You've probably built some really strong relationships. There's probably a lot tied into it Yeah, so I get it man Man, I totally understand it. And, but I mean, Jesus changes hard.

You want to change? You got to, you got to change. Yeah, that's how I feel. Like if this was a client of mine and they were coming to me saying this, I'd be like, well, what's more important to you? If the community and the workout is more important, well, then keep doing it.

But if your abs are more important and that's what you want, well, then you're doing the wrong things. It's that simple. It's just like, it's not, it doesn't need to be this, like, how do I figure this out? It's like, you want your cake and eat it too. It's always like, how can I still incorporate it?

Yeah, it's like, what's more important? And there's nothing wrong with saying that I love to go to my crossfit box. I love to train that way. I love the people I work out with. You're not going to get me to change it. And then I say, okay, enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with that.

You know what this reminds me of? I used to get before CrossFit existed, you're not going to get me to change it, then I say, okay, enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with that. You know what this reminds me of? I used to get, before CrossFit existed, you would have people that would just do super high-intensity circuits and stuff, right? And I would get clients like this every once in a while, and it was more often than not, it was women. And they would come to me and they would tell me, okay, I need to hire you.

I want to get shredded, I want to get lean, and I'd be like, what is your workout history? And they're like, oh, I work out. And I do boot camp classes or circuit training for five days a week and I've been doing it for the last three years. And these women, you could see, I could just see that they were just holding on to stubborn body fat because I would look at their diets.

Their diets wouldn't really be terrible most of the time. And you'd see them work out and they were fit and they'd have stamina or whatever, but they'd still have this like 28% body fat percentage. And every single time I tell them, look, you need to back away the fuck off that type of training. Start work out with me. It's going to take us about three months to start to reverse things. And inevitably they trip themselves out and they'd be like, whoa, I'm way leaner, way more muscular. It's the same.

It's just being yourself up too much. It's the same, it's the same. Being yourself up too much. It's the same thing I've been dealing with with all my runner addicts forever. I mean, it's the same conversation. I mean, I don't know how many people I've trained. But for a cross that existed, you know, I train hundreds and hundreds of runners.

Yeah, marathon runners and people that love to run. And that's what they would say to me. Like, I love to run out of my love to run, but I just can't seem to get leaner. I just can't seem to build this body that I want Well, fuck you running five to seven days a week like stop. That's not that's not what you're if you're trying to If you want to be really good at running you're doing a great job. Keep doing it If you love it so much that it's more important to you than the way you look then you're are you already have the answer You're already doing a great job. Enjoy it

But if you come to me as a professional and you say, hey Adam, I want this and I tell you that the way you're going about it is all wrong and is not the best way to do that. And your only answer is, well, what about so and so, who, you know, some famous chick in CrossFit, who looks the way you want, well, that's, she's fucking not you. She's a different body type. I don't know where her diet's. I don't know what she's taking. Normally wise. Yeah, great market. I don't know what the fuck she's doing.

I'm telling you right now that if you're doing all this endurance type training and you're wanting to shape and change the body differently, it's conflict, it's a conflicting message. And, you know, who knows how much damage you've done that you got to reverse that because if you, I'll tell you right now, if you're you're I don't know your size but if you're an average weight for female where you're somewhere between the 120 to 160-ish range or 170-range female body and you're eating sub 2000 calories every day. And you're doing this workout and you're doing all this stuff like that. You fucking have slowed your metabolism away now. Take a few months, do some real good traditional strength training. Maps aesthetic or maps and a ballack would probably actually be more appropriate.

And I'll tell you what, on that note, the girl that, you know, because again, you get the, well, what about so and so, you know, who's, I bet you money the ones that look really aesthetic at the highest level across it, those girls are eating. I promise you, they have an aesthetic looking physique. And they're making out. They're boyfriend taking stuff. That's what they're doing. Absolutely. Look, maps performance is 50% off. Three days left. Only three days left. Go to mind pump media.

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