Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 848: Breast Implants & Autoimmune Issues, Getting Kids to Move, How to Increase Appetite & MORE

Episode Date: August 31, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about research suggesting that breast implants can cause a...utoimmune issues, ways to get students moving, how to increase appetite and their opinion on Mike the “situation” getting fat but being happy, compared to when he was a fit train wreck. Mind Pump calculates LIVE the cost benefits of getting a PRx Performance rack vs. your gym membership. (5:06) Right on cue…Mind Pump gets an Eaze delivery live on air! (11:08) Mind Pump All-Day Workout, body fat and Everly Well testing & MORE. (14:42) Why it would be a disservice to sell something you do NOT believe in. (18:25) The science of cannabis and the overall benefits. (23:00) How artificial sweeteners may be getting stored in your body fat. Study Finds Sucralose Produces Previously Unidentified Metabolites. (29:18) A potential game changing finding. Cancer ‘vaccine’ eliminates tumors in mice, study shows. (38:33) What is the mentality going into their All Day Workout Experiment? (44:15) Why the best diet is figuring out what works best for you. (48:43) #Quah question #1 – Any research suggesting that breast implants can cause autoimmune issues? (59:00) #Quah question #2 – What are some ways to get students moving? (1:15:22) #Quah question #3 – Are there ways someone can increase their appetite naturally? (1:26:21) #Quah question #4 – What is your opinion on Mike the “situation” getting fat but being happy, compared to when he was a fit train wreck? 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Starting point is 00:00:00 Shumdys, my short pain, you should brush me! I'm usually pre-active, but jump, jive it! My flim flammy shoulder and hulkbuster knees are ding-dangle me all day long! Peace, Kurnikos! Does this sound familiar? Do you wake up swearing and obscure, 1930 slaying? Do you suffer from similar symptoms as our friend Roscoe Jenkins here? Nine out of ten trainers recommend Maps Prime Pro to add to your daily routine.
Starting point is 00:00:33 Baskin' Eagles! If you have any nagging extra pains, go check out our program Maps Prime Pro over at MyPupMedia.com. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, ob-mite, up with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this lifted episode of mine. Oh, it was lifted.
Starting point is 00:01:01 For the first 53 minutes with your introductory conversation. We start out by talking about the PRX Calculator now PRX makes home gym equipment. They've got this crazy Amazing sales tool on their site where you can go in and calculate the actual cost of your gym membership It figures things out like the time spent in the you know, how long it takes to drive there Myelage all that stuff and then you can actually get their home equipment and pay monthly on it and realize, puts a lot of things in perspective. It's less expensive. Now we are sponsored by PRX.
Starting point is 00:01:32 This is what you do. Go to PRXPerformance.com, forward slash MindPump. Use the promo code MindPump for 5% off and a free maps prime program with a purchase of over $500. Boom, there's hook up. Now here's something funny, we've never had this happen before. While we're talking about PRX and us,
Starting point is 00:01:50 we get a delivery walking into our studio from Eaze. Eaze is a cannabis delivery company in California. They grab cannabis from local dispensaries, bring it right to your door in a very short period of time. And guess what, we're sponsored by the first sponsorship for any podcast. It's official now, like people have been asking me, like how do you feel?
Starting point is 00:02:11 How do you feel on my mind? We have made it now. We have made it. Yeah, that was it. That was the defining moment. That was the goal. So if you live in California, we got a fat discount for you, go to ease.co.
Starting point is 00:02:21 That's eaz. dot c o forward slash mine pump use the code mine pump for $20 off and free delivery with your first order. Again, this is available only in California. And it's your podcast experience. Then we talk about tomorrow's all day workout and the end of the six week contest gentlemen. I can't wait to see you get second place between the two of you. This would be so awesome. I know, Doug's gonna be all of us.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Then we talked about Adam's Everly Well Test. They are one of our sponsors as well. EverlyWell.com, use the code MindPump, get 15% off any test. Then we talked about how MindPump chooses our sponsors, why we are proponents of cannabis. Then we talked about the risk of artificial sweeteners. New study came out on sucralose.
Starting point is 00:03:07 If you take artificially sweetened supplements, you're gonna wanna hear that part of this episode. Then we talk about the new cancer vaccine. You heard that correctly. Yes. And then we talked about my best diet post. I actually reveal the best diet for everyone in that part of the system.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Just go to his Instagram. That's it. People have been demanding it. Then we get of the system. Just go to his Instagram. That's it. People have been demanding it. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, there's a few fitness and bikini competitors who are now speaking out against breast implants saying that it made them sick. Is there any research that supports that? We give our speculation, because of course none of us are experts in that field.
Starting point is 00:03:43 No, we're fans. A little bit of a dream, clean rant right here. There you go Adam. The next question was, this is a high school teacher, students sit down all day, hunched over their computer. What are some ways to get them up and moving? What are some mobility movements they can do to get them more productive and get them moving better?
Starting point is 00:04:01 Props to that teacher. We like you. Next question was, this guy's girlfriend is trying to put on some muscle, but can't hit her daily calorie targets. Are the ways she can increase her appetite and can a workout do that for her? Pretty shocking answer in that part of this episode. And the final question, what is our opinion
Starting point is 00:04:21 on Mike, the situation, he's the guy from the Jersey Shore, getting fat, but being happy is compared to before when he was shredded and obviously a train wreck, which one is better, great segment of this episode. Also, I do wanna mention, it's the final day, Adam. Final day. Final day for Matt's performance.
Starting point is 00:04:41 50% green balloons. Off, we're cutting the price in half. That's it after this final day. It's not coming back at least for not a long time. You go to mindpumpmedia.com. You got to use the code green50, GRE and the number 50 to get half off maps performance. Again, it's at mindpumpmedia.com. Dude, tell us about the calculator on the PRX site.
Starting point is 00:05:07 What is it, it calculates basically? Yeah, so it'll calculate how much you're paying monthly for your gym membership. For your gym membership. It's like a gas. I think it calculates your time spent driving there. Yes. Your membership fee and it shows you a comparison between that
Starting point is 00:05:26 and paying for one of their home gyms. Yeah. See, here's the thing with the home gym. This is the thing that the only knock that I've always had with home gyms. First of all, if you use a home gym, it's the best fitness investment you can make. Okay, that's bottom. If you're going to use it, if you use it, that's the best. But the knock has always been, when you buy gym equipment, home gym equipment, you pay a lot of money up front. It could
Starting point is 00:05:49 cost you thousands of dollars. Whereas you could go to a gym and pay 20 bucks a month. Yeah. Yeah. But PRX lets you pay monthly. That's the thing. They let you pay monthly. You can set that up. It's pretty easy. I mean, it's, it's one of those things where that is the biggest barrier because you have to buy all the equipment's pretty easy. I mean, it's one of those things where that is the biggest barrier because you have to buy all the equipment and that's, I mean, your thousands of dollars. Yeah, look at they break down the gym membership per month, what it is, the miles to the gym, how many minutes it takes to go to the gym,
Starting point is 00:06:15 average cost of gas, they factor. Average gas mileage, how many times per week do you go to the gym? And then it shows you, they cost that much in a year. Well, it depends what the, I don't know what the number is. Well, look at the use. Okay, so Doug put in put $25. Okay, the average miles to the gym 10 is probably good. What do you guys think?
Starting point is 00:06:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So 15 minutes, that's about right. Cost of gas. It's definitely hard in that for us. What the fuck is that? It's not in California. I say $3. Yeah, $3.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Say that's in the mid-west somewhere. Yeah. Is it no way? I don't think this is even 270 in the three. I say $3. $3. Say that's in the mid-west somewhere. Yeah. Is it no way? I don't think it is even 270 in the three way. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Average gas mileage. What is the average car's gas mileage?
Starting point is 00:06:53 20, 22? 25. Yeah, if you're lucky. Say 25. You have it. All right. All right. How many times per week do you go to the gym?
Starting point is 00:07:01 I don't know. Most people do what? Three. Yeah. Three to Yeah. Okay. Three or four. Go. Okay. So this guys, this person's cost per year is $638 hours per year, traveling to and from the gym 78. So it's cool because it breaks it all down for you because a lot of people don't realize, here's the big benefit of having a home gym for me because that's what I, that's what I do. The time that you spend getting dressed,
Starting point is 00:07:27 you know, getting your workout clothes for the gym, driving to the gym, parking, checking in, and then getting your workout. Oh yeah. It's a waste of time. Yeah, that's not factoring in wasted time. Yeah, right, so like, and then if you have kids and getting them already and then having
Starting point is 00:07:41 a kids club available at certain hours, that's all like a huge factor. Well, I'm the only one. I'm the only one that of us who doesn't work out at home. And I already know for sure the main reason for me is because I don't. You guys, the fact that you guys have kids, I think makes the world of difference because I'm Mr. Go to a gym. But if I had kids, it'd be a no-brainer because I can already see the headache. I have a couple, but if I had kids, it would be a no-brainer. Because I can already see the headache, I have a couple of friends that actually have a gym
Starting point is 00:08:09 membership still and they have kids, and I see what they have to do. The wife comes in first, and then she trains, and then she goes back home to watch a kid, then he comes and comes in. So it's like a three hour process between... Such a dedication. Yeah, that the crazy sacrifice.
Starting point is 00:08:25 I mean, and kudos to them, they're both in an incredible shape and they manage to do it. I think that's really cool, but I know me, I'm like, fuck, I would... No, it's just, it's not sustainable that way. I mean, that's too much of a time suck. Well, here's my routine in the morning. I fucking love it, right?
Starting point is 00:08:42 So we wake up at five, usually 5 a.m. or 5.30 depending on what, you know, what the workout's gonna be. I'll go downstairs, I'll make coffee, we'll drink our coffee, and just kind of allow ourselves to wake up a little bit. 30 minutes later, we go in the garage, we work out, we work out hard. I mean, whatever the fuck I want to wear, half the time it's just shorts and no shirt, or I don't need to take a shower, I don't need to brush my teeth even. I just go out there, do my workout, listen to whatever music we want,
Starting point is 00:09:12 and then I can use chalk, I could use whatever lifting aids, I want chains or whatever. And then we do our lift, then we come straight inside, we come straight inside, we make our breakfast, wake up the kids, and I take him to school.
Starting point is 00:09:27 If I didn't have a home gym, the process would be insane. How bummed are you though that you bought all your equipment before we got, we signed up with PRX. That is a bummer. Yeah, that is awesome. That does suck. It's just and got PRX, so that's cool. That's nice.
Starting point is 00:09:40 That's great. Oh man, like it's normally, when I've had a home gym before it was outside, and then you're bearing the elements, and it's fun, That is great. Oh man, like it is normally, when I've had a home gym before it was outside, and then you're bearing the elements, and it's fun, you know, during the summer, when it's like, you know, the weather's nice, and everything's great, but when it's like rainy and shitty outside, like, I have everything,
Starting point is 00:09:57 like, I love the work on fine, dude. I know, of course, right? Because it's like, You ever work out? The grit of it. You ever work out when it's freezing outside? That's the best you see this we got to talk to these guys, you know, you see they're doing stuff with Christmas Abbot programming available right? That's great. Oh, that's great. It's just programming. Yeah. Oh cool. Yeah. Well, here's the thing man like you know what really like drew me to this company initially was like I I knew a lot of our fans
Starting point is 00:10:23 like they go to gyms and it's like, depending on the gyms setup, you don't really know if they have the right stuff for our programs, for our maps programs. This setup is so ideal for any of our maps programs. Because you have your squat rack, you have your barbell setup, you have all the weights you can rack on the walls easily enough. You know, all you need is like a bit of a platform so you can like put it down for deadlifts and whatnot. But I mean, it within the confit, you only need like barely any square footage to pull this off. So we got to deliver. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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Starting point is 00:11:37 Look, it's the two W's that I love. Open it up, I don't see what's in there. It's child proof. It takes me a second. So I'm the one that put the order together. And so, but is that why we got li- Is that your lip balm? Is that that's not?
Starting point is 00:11:49 No, it's not. Who ordered the lip balm? Lip balm, I don't know, no lip balm. I don't know what that is. Let me see. What you got here? Sparkles, oh, you got flour too, huh? Yeah, we got a really.
Starting point is 00:11:58 We got a twist one up right now or what? Yeah. Oh, as long as you got some. So, check this out, so you guys know. So, the deal that we have with them is $20 off for anybody who's who does their first word But in addition that they also get free delivery, so you're getting hooked up right now, bro This isn't lip balm. What do you read that was Jesus? It's cannabis infused gummies. Don't get defensive Oh, yeah, these are gummies. These are five milligrams each of cannabis Justin.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Oh, what? Five each. Don't go overboard. You got rock, cow with cannabis in them. I'm taking this. No, so this right here is pure CBD rock, cow. So there's no THC or very little THC and you can eat it. They put that in my coffee cell.
Starting point is 00:12:43 And get the cacao. So you got it. We have to explain to how this, what's cool about ease is that ease, they deliver from like your favorite cannabis stores that are nearby in your area. You don't have to stand in that dispensary line like forever. No, that's quick.
Starting point is 00:12:58 It's getting popular these days, man. Then I ordered a Indika LA OG, one of my favorite Indica strains. You ever tried that Adam? LA OG? Yeah, bro, I've tried everything. Yeah, okay. You talking to the Godfather? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah. Strings. Do you know how they made the strain what the crosses were? It's, say this. LA OG, LA confidential and OG, OG crossed. OG Kush, yeah. Really good.
Starting point is 00:13:25 No, it's a good cross. Wellidential and O.J. O.G. Crosst. O.G. Cush. Yeah. Yeah. Really good. No, it's a good cross. Well, that was unexpected. There we go. Easiest commercial in my life. Yeah. They were getting delivered. Yeah. Here's some dream. Here's some dream. Here's how easy it is.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Some dream queen. Now, do you know what dream queen is? Blue dream? Do you know what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what the original name was and why they people changed it? Oh, there was a different name before. Yeah, yeah. What was the original?
Starting point is 00:13:47 It's green crack. That's what green crack. No, it's not. Yeah. Don't say that to me. Yes, green crack is the best strain. So they, ever, so a lot of these cannabis clubs have changed it. I mean, it lives up to the name, huh?
Starting point is 00:13:58 Yeah, you know, why do it's, it's, it's two things. It's hyper. Yeah. And extremely sexual. I like both those items. Yeah, it's the most horny. Well, you know what you didn't do is you didn't order a lighter. I don't think they sell lighters.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Yeah, they do. No, they don't. You can't order a lighter. We got a lighter. The last can of this place that we're at. Yeah, but not, I don't think you can get it with ease is gonna deliver a lighter. You don't lie.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Are they legal? I don't know. I don't know how weird is that. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, we can't bring you guys a lighter. We'll bring don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:27 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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Starting point is 00:14:43 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don guys do anything? Worked out. Oh, you did, and I still work out. To make it exciting. No, we don't have to make anything. Yeah, no, it's good right now, dude. We're coming in this last week, I'm hungry. You know, this is when I would like to be eating more food than one of my friends. So are we gonna do the test on Friday or Saturday?
Starting point is 00:14:58 We're gonna have to do it Saturday, right? Friday, we're, we have an all day thing. Yeah, we're shooting, so we're taking pictures, right? Not only that, but then we're also, we're doing the, we're gonna do your all day lifting. Yeah, we're shooting so we're taking pictures for it. Not only that, but then we're also we're doing the we're gonna do your all day lifting on Friday. Yeah, I know that. So that's we have that going on plus. I don't know if testing the day after that's gonna be
Starting point is 00:15:12 it doesn't matter. You're gonna deplete the shit. Well, you'll see you guys are feeling well. Yeah, no, I planned it Friday night. I plan to feed. Oh, here here here's what you gotta do. Here's what we gotta do. We need to not just Friday night,
Starting point is 00:15:26 because I've done this twice now, it works really well. Bring like four, maybe four meals with you to the workout, in between the workouts, and they're small, make them small, in between the workouts, it's worked really, really well for me. So make sure you do that. Or, now I guess we'll just bring around,
Starting point is 00:15:43 I wasn't saying we could have the barbecue here. No, no, just everybody worry about what they need to do themselves. You know, saying we got, we have Saturday, we're going to do our body fat test. It has to be after 10 in the morning because that doesn't open up till 10 in the morning. So we'll all head over there. I think Enzo has to do his earlier because he can't make it on Saturday, which is fine. He's doing his on Thursday. Yeah, he's not going to win anyways. It's between the three months. So he thinks so. Yeah, he said it's not even possible. He turned.
Starting point is 00:16:06 He's lost a lot. No, he looks good. He looks good. I hope he wins. That'd be great. Well, I kind of don't, you know, I kind of expect us to be better than that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:17 You know. He has 17 years, he's learned from us. He is 17. Yeah. Don't forget that. Exactly. Yeah. Okay, 17 year old body is like a fucking.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Well, I mean, I just should just... Just a new stimulus for him. I could put a spin, still doing it to me though, that's really weird. I could put a spin on everybody on why everybody has an advantage. Like I think everybody has an advantage and everybody has a disadvantage.
Starting point is 00:16:36 There's nobody, I don't think there's a clear cut, which just makes it fun, right? I think it's cool that everybody has their own advantage, everybody has their own disadvantage to going into this and we could say here and make excuses for Why someone wins or doesn't win? Hey, did you get your hormone test back? No, it's kind of it's it's in the process still It was cuz I you forgot to register. Yeah, you know, I just I hope that doesn't fuck it up because I know the saliva No, you know, it's freezing. Let me tell you even though this you know
Starting point is 00:17:02 All we already did are two commercials, but in this is totally not a commercial for every while, it is kudos to this company though, I really love these guys. I fucked up, it's the third test I've taken through every while, so I don't know why, but I was just like, oh, they already have all my stuff, my accident, I have a login, so I just didn't think to register the actual kit, like I I just assumed it just automatically does that but I got a
Starting point is 00:17:28 Email like two days later right away from them and it was a really nice email Hey, we just want to let you know that we received your kit But we don't see that you've registered yet. Oh, okay, so it's all good then. Oh, yeah, yeah Oh, they sent me an email and they said if you need any help call this number We're happy. I email right back and then 20 minutes later from there, they go, okay, awesome, we got it. You know what I was worried about? Customers services.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Because when you do this saliva test, you have to freeze it right after and then make sure you mail it. And what I was worried is if it wasn't registered, if it was just sitting there. And then you thought out. Yeah, and then it degrades or whatever and then your test measures.
Starting point is 00:18:01 But no, no, because your name, that's right, because you have to write your name on it anyway. Yes. So they have, okay, good. Yes, they had all of it test measures, but no, no, this because your name, that's right, because you have to write your name on it anyway. Yes. So they have, okay, good. Yes, they had all of this. Yeah, and it was great, man. I was really impressed with their customer service. I mean, I'm really proud of the decision that we,
Starting point is 00:18:15 some of the people that haven't been listening to this show for a very long time, I saw that kid on there that was kind of razzing you about on your post a couple of days back, sell about commercials and that, you know, oh, the guys are, you know, I feel like they're disingenuous. And I say, you know, that's really unfortunate that you feel that way because
Starting point is 00:18:35 one of the things that I think we pride ourselves on is a complete opposite of that. In fact, I'm not gonna sell shit if I don't like it. No, well, not a lot of it. I mean, we turn, and that's, let me tell you that, we've lost a lot of money because of that. We did, we lost a lot. I mean, we turn, and that's, let me tell you that we've lost a lot of money because of that. We did.
Starting point is 00:18:46 We lost a ton of money at the very beginning. And when the company needed the money the most, we were not taking any sponsorships on because of the simple fact that if we were going to do stuff, it was gonna be with companies that we absolutely love and respect. And I just don't, we get samples of random stuff,
Starting point is 00:19:02 like almost on the daily now, from all kinds of different companies, but it's the matter of like selecting the ones that even interest us anymore, you know? It's like these are, these products we have now, it's like we're using them, it either me or you or you know whoever, we're, these are things that we're actually using.
Starting point is 00:19:18 I wouldn't do, it would be a disservice. It's okay, obviously for me, it would be a disservice to me to sell some shit and believe in because it would eat away at me and I can't do that. But it would also do a disservice to whatever I was selling because I do consider myself a good salesperson but it's because when I believe in something, I wholeheartedly do, you guys know this better than anyone.
Starting point is 00:19:40 When I am into something, what do I do about it? I fucking talk about it all the time. It can be something that's sponsored me or not. If I'm into something, what do I do about it? I fucking talk about it all the time. It can be something that's sponsored me or not. If I'm into something, I'm gonna learn about it and I get real excited and passionate. And I talk about it and that's what makes me ineffective. Sales person, if I don't like your product, I can try faking it and it ain't gonna be effective.
Starting point is 00:19:58 I'm not gonna be able to sell your product. So, it doesn't work that way. So the other way around, there's many times when we've gotten a product and we've liked it, but we like, we gotta meet the owner first. If we like them, then we'll do it. Sometimes we don't work that way. So the other way around, there's been many times when we've gotten a product and we've liked it, but we're like, we gotta meet the owner first. If we like them, then we'll do it. Sometimes we don't like the owner. And so we're like, well, you got a good product.
Starting point is 00:20:11 We don't like you. We can't promote. I would say those are the two main things that I think we just, when we decide on a company that we're gonna work with, right? It's something that one, one of us, if not all of us, you know, use religiously, right? And then two, on top of that,
Starting point is 00:20:26 it's the people within the company. Like that matter so much. Like, when you go into a partnership like that, a sponsorship is like a partnership. We have a mutual contract and relationship amongst each, and then it matters. It's also part of your brand. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:40 And a lot of people don't know this, and this is actually a good topic for people who are trying to build their business. You know, someone can flash a lot of people don't know this. And this is actually a good topic for people who are trying to build their business. You know, someone can flash a lot of money at you and you can sell your soul by promoting something you don't necessarily believe in or maybe doesn't work with your brand, but it'll fuck you.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Well, I try and teach this to a lot of these young guys that I know that were in the men's physique category and they've got a little bit of a fall and they had a few thousand people and they're trying to build a network and they take the first Supplement company that comes along and offers them some 10 or 20 or 30% commission on their sales and then their whole Instagram feed turns into this promoting the supplement line
Starting point is 00:21:16 It's just like do you really want to be attached to this fucking no-name supplement brand that like it's probably not to be here in five or 10 years or worse, you promote something that then comes out to be bogus or bad. Right. Now you look like a liar. And in this space, there's a 50-50 chance it's going to be. Yeah. People, I'm not going to name names, but there was a situation not that long ago where we had some strong conversations with one of our sponsors. And then of course they came back and showed us evidence
Starting point is 00:21:45 of whatever. And I don't want to go into any detail, but we almost gave money back. So when it comes to promoting products, the bottom line is, well, a few things, we're making probably half what we could make, because we turn so much shit down. And the shit that we promote is what we use.
Starting point is 00:22:04 And I don't think anybody can argue with us that we don't, we aren't proponents of cannabis. You know what I'm saying? That's not like that. That relationship right there, that relationship has been a year in the process, a year. That company, Taylor has been hounding ease
Starting point is 00:22:21 for such a long time, ever since the very first time that you used it, and we talked about how brilliant the company was and the fact that we love Love it that we have this ability to have it shit delivered right to us within like 10 15 minutes Crazy me. So I mean they've never they've never ever sponsored a podcast before with a very first podcast that Ease will ever be talked about on podcast before were the very first podcast that ease will ever be talked about on formally as a sponsor. And that was a lot of hard work to make that even happen. So yeah, no, definitely the products that you talked about are 100% I'm excited about it. I'll tell you why I'm excited about it. You know, first off, I think people should be able to do
Starting point is 00:22:58 whatever they want to their bodies. I think recreationally speaking in comparison to the other commonly consumed recreational substances, it's one of the better ones. If you were going to compare it to alcohol, for example, I'm not against alcohol, but I definitely think cannabis is probably a better option more often than not, especially if you're going to use regular amounts of alcohol. Now from a medicinal standpoint, I'm, this is why I'm a proponent of cannabis. It's the medicinal aspect, the recreational aspect,
Starting point is 00:23:30 that's cool, do whatever you want, long as you don't hurt anybody that's up to you. But the medicinal aspect, I've talked about this in the past, but I dived in deep in the science of cannabis and cannabinoids for a few different reasons. One was because of my own gut issues and it played an integral role in modulating my immune system.
Starting point is 00:23:49 So I didn't have such a crazy reaction because I know I've communicated this, but maybe I wasn't super clear. When my gut was off the first time, it was like I had Crohn's disease. And what did that look like? It looks like you have like dysentery all the time. I couldn't eat anything.
Starting point is 00:24:06 I lost 15 pounds in the matter of like a month and a half. I mean, that's a terrifying place to be, especially for anybody, but especially if you're somebody who, you know, works out and prides themselves in their body. So I dug in deep and I found that cannabinoids really did clamp down on inflammation in the gut and also help modulate my immune system so strong with food.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Then I had a close family member, somebody I caret about very deeply gets stricken with terminal cancer, a very rare form of cancer, or there was no five-year survival rate. There was nothing. And so I dug and did anybody who's listening right now who's ever had somebody die from cancer or who's dealing with someone who has cancer, maybe even through recovery. If you go online and you look up alternative or natural cancer treatments,
Starting point is 00:24:59 you're gonna get bombarded with all kinds of just insanity, crazy shit, and it's impossible to sift through at all. I mean, part of me was like, we'll just throw everything at this, but the kitchen sink. But the other part of me is like, well, that's not going to work. I have to, I have to somehow find something that is not, that's, that's legal, that's going, maybe having a fact that's going to maybe have an effect on this cancer
Starting point is 00:25:22 and also help with the symptoms, because the symptoms of cancer can get pretty nasty, especially towards the end. And so I had to come up with a litmus test and that litmus test was I need to see some evidence, some scientific evidence. And I went through all kinds of different alternative treatments, everything from acupuncture
Starting point is 00:25:39 to diet changes to whatever. And the one non-dietary thing I found, because fast things got a lot of sign supporting it, was cannabinoids. And there's some, you can look up cannabinoids in cancer. In fact, the American Cancer Society, or I'm not quite sure what their name is, but anyway, they have an official website.
Starting point is 00:25:57 If you go on their look up cannabinoids, they'll talk about how cannabinoids kill cancer cells and protect the healthy cells. And so this is the other reason why I dive so deep. And this individual who was supposed to die in a three-month period lived for over a year and a half, and out of that year and a half, the last two months were terrible. So almost a year and a half where the symptoms were, where she could function, she could do things, she could watch my kids, we could, you know, we took her to, you know, on trips and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And so, and that's my anecdote, by the way, I'm not making any claims here, but I love the fact that the laws are loosening up and that, you know, we're looking deeper into this because the cannabinoid system of the body is fascinating and cannabis represents a whole new, whole new class of potential treatments. It's empowering for people to have options like that.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Absolutely. You know, so that's why we support it for the most part. That's a great nerdy reason to do it. Yeah, it's like a glass of wine for me. That's the way I do. Well, it's a record ratio. It's a record ratio part. Yeah, I mean, I just think it's a just
Starting point is 00:26:54 think it's their own, a better option, you know what I'm saying? And just like alcohol, I mean, if you're somebody who ends up having having to have a drink every single night, you might have a problem. If you end up drinking the bottle on a regular night, you might have a problem if you end up drinking the bottle on a regular basis, you probably have a problem. But if you can intermittently use it as a tool to unwind and relax, I don't see there
Starting point is 00:27:13 a problem with it whatsoever. And so I think that's what's cool about that we're in a place now that people have that option, instead of that, especially a guy like me who's alcohol's never agreed with me, man. I wish that I could have a glass of wine and that really just made me feel chill and I enjoyed that I feel I can tell I feel like shit Would just one glass of wine? Yes alcohol just does not agree with me and I don't know if it's the the sugar and the alcohol or what it is
Starting point is 00:27:37 I can I've had the fanciest of wines the most expensive shit I could have out there because people tell you like the taste Yeah, I don't I do like the taste. Oh you do yeah't I do like the taste Yeah, yeah, I like the taste of it. Yeah, I like I prefer I prefer champagne a more of a bubbly guy So that's what you've got you and I go celebrate Yeah, I don't know what bubble back. I do I like I like if I'm gonna do something like that If we're gonna like crack a bottle for like to celebrate something we typically will crack a bottle of champagne a bottle for like to celebrate something. We typically will crack a bottle of champagne over a bottle of wine, but I mean, even that's a rare thing just because you never know how I'm gonna feel. I do just fine with whiskey.
Starting point is 00:28:12 You do. You do. You do. You tend to wake up the next day like nothing. I do fine. Yeah, you feel good. Well, that's like Katrina. Katrina can fucking drink, bro. And then the next day like up at five in the morning like it's like it's no thing Not me. I'll be the guy that carries the alcohol flag Let me know I'm not gonna lie. It's feels it's fun when I drink it's don't like the after effect But during the process of drinking is a great. Don't you have tape? Don't you have Taylor on the hunt for a scotch?
Starting point is 00:28:41 I drink for you. I have a couple. Yeah, we're working on. We're digging. That's hilarious. Just for my own interest. You know what I mean? I want to be left out. We got weed and scotch. Hey, I think it's fair. Oh, dude.
Starting point is 00:28:54 I mean, Sal gets it. Sal was the first one to get his fucking shrooms. You know what I'm saying? Like, true. Yeah, the fucking four-sigmatic sponsor was all Sal. That was, he's like, that's all you do. He was all about that. I'm like, Matt, I'm sure. I know I said shrooms. That was like, that's all you was all about that. I'm like, Matt, you said shrooms.
Starting point is 00:29:07 I was like, huh? Wait a minute. Oh, no, they're not magical. Yeah, that's those kind of shrooms. That's hilarious. Anyway, so, so I want to read to you guys a new study that came out. I want to see when it was, when it was posted.
Starting point is 00:29:19 It's pretty recent. So you know how we're always having this kind of ever long debate over artificial sweeteners. And I saw you post that in your story. Yeah, some people in our space love to talk about how artificial sweeteners are super safe and the most studied and blah, blah, blah, and they're great. Probably because they sell supplements. They're so confident in that, huh?
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah, probably because they sell supplements. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that are sweetened with sucralose. I mean, that's a big market. I bet it's on that. That's a big market. But anyway, one of the arguments that was always,
Starting point is 00:29:52 you know, studies show that when you consume sucralose, that your body gets rid of it, like nothing is stored in the body. So it's all good and it's all safe. And I'm always super skeptical of that. I mean, it's pretty rare that something goes through your body that doesn't have some kind of an effect on your body. In fact, I would think that,
Starting point is 00:30:12 I don't think that ever happens. It's got some kind of an effect when it goes through your body. Whether you absorb it or not, maybe it affects the microbiome, maybe it affects your intestinal wall, whatever, it's gonna have some kind of an effect. But the argument's always been, no, there's nothing that happens. Well, they just did a mouse study,
Starting point is 00:30:28 and by the way, I know sometimes people say, oh, because it doesn't, just because it's mice doesn't mean it happens to humans. In this case, we can pretty much say it's gonna happen in humans. This is not something that's unique to mouse metabolism or whatever. So the sucralose, they gave it to the mice,
Starting point is 00:30:43 and they found that it produced two fat soluble compounds. So in other words, it is getting stored in the body, in the fat of the mice. They found the, yeah, and it's because the way they analyzed this and find this is much more sophisticated now. They didn't have the means or the way to really figure this out before because new testing methods have been invented, they've gone in and found that sure enough there is, it is getting broken down in and though it is creating metabolites that are being stored in the fat of the mice. Now this. So what does that mean though?
Starting point is 00:31:25 What is it, what exactly is it doing to the metabolism by it being stored in the... Who the fuck knows, but here's a deal. It's still up in the air. Well, but here's a deal. Consume sucralose every day, every other day for years. It's fat soluble. Things that tend to get stored in fat tend to accumulate.
Starting point is 00:31:43 So like, here's an example. If you took a bunch of water soluble vitamins and I gave to get stored in fat tend to accumulate. So like, here's an example. If you took a bunch of water soluble vitamins and I gave you a thousand percent of vitamin C, you could take that every day and, you know, little side effects or whatever, because your body just gets rid of what it doesn't need. There could be some other side effects with other things, but you just get rid of what it. You can't do that with fat soluble vitamins because they accumulate in your body and then
Starting point is 00:32:04 you can get toxic levels. Same thing with certain minerals and stuff like that. When people get toxic metal accumulation or whatever. So let's say you consume sucrose on a daily basis and these metabolites are getting stored in your fat. Which is a lot of people do. Right. This can accumulate over time and we don't know what it causes but the bottom line is it's
Starting point is 00:32:23 getting stored in body, it's getting stored in bottom line is it's getting stored in body, it's getting stored in your fat, it's getting stored in your body. And if you're like most fitness people that consume sugar-free products, you're probably having at least one thing a day, if not more, that is artificially sweetened with circulos. And remember fat isn't just some, you know, inner tissue that's on your body, it's a hormone sensitive, chemical producing tissue that's on your body. It's a living tissue. And when things start to get stored in there, and what happens when you burn the body fat? Let's say you store a ton of sucralose in your body and then you get leaner.
Starting point is 00:32:59 How does that get released? I mean, there's a lot of questions that go to be raised. But I think this... What is now to this study show at how much that they had to consume in order for that time? They gave them a regular amount. Just because I know that was another argument that people would use to defend that as a go.
Starting point is 00:33:14 The amount that you would have to take is this crazy amount. Nobody would drink 30 coaks in one day. No, no, no, no. It's a different pathway that it gets stored versus... It just gets broken down and these metabolites get stored in body day. No, no, no, no. It's a different pathway that it gets stored versus... No, it just gets broken down and these metabolites get stored in body fat. Is it in the body fat or attaches itself to body fat? What'd you say?
Starting point is 00:33:31 In the body fat. In the body fat. And we know previous studies show that nursing mothers will pass it on in their breast milk. That's another thing that you want to pay attention to. We also know that it reduces the abundance of what we know to be beneficial bacteria in the gut So when you add all of this up You know it doesn't just disappear. Well bottom line. Here's the thing that I that I always say nothing is for free in life
Starting point is 00:33:53 Exactly and here's the thing when I look at this Okay, fine. You're gonna have a sugar-free drink, you know Twice a year or whatever super rare. I don't care, not that big of a deal. Most people don't though, most people have this shit weekly. No, no, no, I think this is. Because it's a sugar frame. Most people are having this, I mean, personally, okay. And this is where it can start.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Real easy, you could have a couple of artificial, you know, sweet and lows or something in your coffee. Then you go to your next meal, you could easily have a diet coke or something in your coffee. Then you go to your next meal, you could easily have a diet coke or something like that in there. You could easily go and have a pre workout. You could easily go and have, you know, a no explode type of drink also.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And then you could also have a protein shake and then probably a protein bar. And I mean, you could have a lot of people in the health and fitness space could be doing I In fact, I think the average American who doesn't exercise and give a shit about their diet probably takes in less Sugar-free. Yeah, this this is for our audience. I feel like I feel like the people that are listening to this show Or more likely to ingest more of the artificial sweeteners than the average consumer Yeah, cuz they lean on that like it's health food right. Yeah, they look at like sugar-free being like a
Starting point is 00:35:06 whole pass. As I did too, I mean, I used a ton. I mean, when I was counting calories and I'm concerned about that, it's a, you know, it was something that I- You're worried about your physique. You don't want to pack on as fat, you know, and like consume a bunch of sugar. So you think that's a valid option, but it still adds up. Yeah, and people, you know, people, I'll do these posts
Starting point is 00:35:24 and then I'll get messages and be like, oh man, like, I love my sugar-free drinks when I'm pre-contest or I need it to keep my calories down. What do I do now? And I'm like, don't drink it. I mean, unless you don't mind the potential risks or whatever that we're realizing, otherwise like, it's okay if you don't taste something sweet,
Starting point is 00:35:42 you know what I mean, all the time. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Well for comp, 14 days out is what I could all athletes including myself, so zero consumption at that point. Oh, is that what you do? So if I had somebody who's like, I have this, I have that and they're like mandatory about it,
Starting point is 00:35:58 I'm like, okay, well if it's something that I can't get out of your diet, well then when we get within 14 days, it's gotta go. The way I look at it is this, if it's something that you do super occasionally, then you could throw a little caution to the wind, there's other stuff, there's lots of, you know, it's not toxic,
Starting point is 00:36:14 so it's not a poison. There's studies that show people have consumed it for a long time in their ill effects, like, that's okay. But if you're gonna do something every single day, or regularly, for years and years and years, then you have to be super, super, you have to be very, very careful. And when you see like, okay,
Starting point is 00:36:33 studies show it may damage beneficial bacteria. Now I know it's getting, you know, there's metabolites being stored in my fat. We have other studies that show that it can cause insulin insensitivity issues with your gut microbiome as well. Then, okay, that might not mean nothing if I do it super rarely, but if I'm doing this every week for the last five or ten years, that's a long time. That's a long, long, long time to add up potential issues. And the other thing that with the human body is, we don't study people that long.
Starting point is 00:37:04 We just don't. We have population studies, but it's so hard to tease out what's going on that. Somebody could get cancer or heart disease, and it's hard to tease out what the hell's going on. We know that cancer, for example. Some scientists will say it probably close to 70% of cancers are preventable, but there's so many different things that can lead to that. And then there's this like,
Starting point is 00:37:26 it's like the, what's that butterfly effect? Like there's this chain of events, okay, maybe the sucalose affects this one small part of your body, and that by itself is not an issue. But then maybe over the course of 10 years, that small part affects this part, which affects this part, which affects that part. And then over 10 years now
Starting point is 00:37:49 We have an issue slightly altered your metabolism in some way and then things get affected Yeah, and then good luck going back and trying to figure that out So again, this is your food and this is what you're putting your mouth and it's also an optional food It's not an essential food. So that's why I like to tell people You know usually stay away from the stuff and it's not a by the way It's not the debate isn way, the debate is sugar better than artificial sweeteners. That's a stupid question. Like, both of them should be considered.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Yeah, right. It shouldn't be like every once in a while or whatever. Yeah, right. It shouldn't be the, oh, instead of doing the die codes, now I'm just gonna have all regular coaks all the time every single day, because it's not gonna help much more. How about you don't have coke all the time?
Starting point is 00:38:22 Yeah, I'm saying. That's what I like to tell people anyway. So I thought that was pretty interesting. I'm waiting for a little bit of the blowback. There was another study I want to share with you guys pretty interesting. Did you read about this cancer vaccine? No.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Did you guys see this? No, I didn't. Vaccine, fucking vaccine, dude. Really? Well, so immune therapy, they've been doing for a while now with cancers, where there's a couple different ways that they've done this, where they'll remove, literally remove parts of immune system, and they'll genetically modify it, put it back in your body, your body
Starting point is 00:38:56 recognizes the cancer and kills it, or they'll give you these drugs that cause your immune system to come kind of hyper-vigilant towards cancer cells and it affects the entire body. And some studies show that they work for certain types of cancer, the problem is the side effects can be kind of nasty with them. So it's been kind of like, okay, is it just attacking all kinds of different types? Oh, the immune system's super complex, right?
Starting point is 00:39:19 So what they did with these mice is they came up with this combination of these two immunostimulating agents, and they injected them in small amounts directly into solid tumors. Now, these rats had, I can't remember what kind of cancer they had, but they supposedly this works for all the types of cancers that they've tested. You guys want to guess how many of the mice got apps totally cured So I did it with 90 mice who had tumors how many 87
Starting point is 00:39:51 Totally cured no way not only did it completely Get rid of the tumor that was injected, but then it got rid of cancers throughout the entire body So now they're going to start testing this and it was body wide body. So now they're going to start testing this. It was body-wide effects and it's inexpensive, which is really crazy. So now they're going to be testing this on humans. Wow. That's a big. How did I not see that? I mean, deal. This is a preventative measure, right? Like it's a vaccine. So would they be applying vaccines that people actually already have cancer? I think they're, I don't think it's used that way.
Starting point is 00:40:25 They call it a vaccine. Yeah, because that's a different, I think it's you have cancer, and then they'll give it to you. And then, and what's happening is your T cells identify the cancer cells. So really what it's doing is it's getting your own body to kill, yeah, to kill the cancer.
Starting point is 00:40:41 I mean, this could be fucking massive. This could be massive, you know what I'm saying?, this could be fucking massive. This could be massive. You know what I'm saying? Like this could be something that, because the problem with cancer is that it evolves and changes and gets crafty and it's also part of your body. So it's like, I do kill one thing without killing everything else. And you know, there's cancers that, for example, we know of the warberg, I think it's the warberg effect where cancer cells They can't survive off of ketones. So if you go in a ketogenic diet, they tend to die
Starting point is 00:41:13 But not all cancers and then sometimes cancers figure ways out to feed themselves by Stealing amino acids and creating their own glycogenin. Right. You take on characteristics. There's other cells Bro, there's treatments that'll cut off the blood supply to cancer tumors. The tumors will create its own. They'll start to create their own blood supply. And cancers all behave differently based on different types of treatments.
Starting point is 00:41:37 So it's like the dream of a treatment for cancer has always been, that was always the dream, but it's always been impossible. Do you think in our time that we'll solve it? I think so. All you do. I do. I think with gene therapy, what we're learning with, like stem cells, where the direction of cannabinoid research is going, I think we are close to finding a viable, effective cancer treatment.
Starting point is 00:42:05 Well, that's exciting, man, because I honestly thought it was gonna take till we got to the nano cell, that the little bot that would go in there and identify these problematic cells and delete them from your body. But yeah, if we can get that just from vaccines and things like that get that just from like vaccines and things like that, like that
Starting point is 00:42:25 are more like seem that just seems like a natural, you know, way to get the immune systems really. I mean, we figure out a cancer treatment that's really effective. It will be a revolution that's, you know, like antibiotics, you know, I mean, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, people die cancers, I think it's a number one killer now, in modern societies, if I'm not mistaken. And it's, you know, personally for me, because I witnessed, you know, watching someone go through,
Starting point is 00:42:52 it is a terrible. No, it's terrible. It's a terrible way to go, and it sucks when there's nothing you can do, you know what I mean? And the person who has it knows that that's it, you know what I mean? It's not like a heart attack where I'm not like all ways of dying suck, especially for the people around you, but with a heart attack, it's like boom, you're gone.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And you're isn't boom, you're gone. Cancer, it's like, okay, you've got this long, and it's gonna suck really bad towards the end. That's a very scary place to be. So this for me is, it really hits home. It gets me really excited to see the truth. So this for me is, you know, really hits home. Yeah. It gets me really excited to see how they don't go super expensive with these vaccines either, you know, and pull some fucking shenanigans like that. We'll see. Where did you read this? Where did you fall? This Stanford,
Starting point is 00:43:35 yeah. Yeah. So the Stanford is actually leading the this this this this research research. Yeah, the I can read the the doctors Ronald Levy, and I don't know, this is a weird name, Indit, Saguiv, Barfi. So it looks like a man and a woman who are working on this right now. But anyway, it's pretty excited and this is kind of making the news right now. Someone posted it in the forum.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I looked up the research and I didn't know idea. I didn't see anything else, great. Yeah, well anyway, we'll see what happens, right? It was not nice. Yeah. So I'm. Yeah, but anyway, we'll see what happens, right? Was that nice? Yeah. So, I'm using trials, who knows? Yeah, so we'll see what happens anyway. I'm excited for that all day workout with you guys.
Starting point is 00:44:11 No, I am too. Do you guys have any idea what you're gonna do with it? I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna base it based off of like how I, so I train back really hard day before yesterday, and I'm really sore today. And so I'm hoping that that's recovered because I'd like to do deadlifts in there, but I may squat.
Starting point is 00:44:27 So it depends on what's, I'm gonna pick based off of how my body feels going into it and then obviously my favorite four or five lifts. Cause that's your, you did well. You did well. I've lived three. I've been decided yet, but and then bench and then row. So I'm just gonna go with that.
Starting point is 00:44:42 You're gonna pick a three. So I did, that's what I was doing and it worked out really, really well. I think what I'm gonna do this time is take a bodybuilder approach though. I think I'm gonna go in and hit body parts and try and get like a moderate intensity kind of workout and get a pump or whatever
Starting point is 00:44:59 and see if I can add more size that way. But I'm a little bit apprehensive because what I do before it works so damn well. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm a little bit apprehensive because what I do before works so damn well. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm toying with that idea too, but I kinda wanna experience the benefits of the big compound lifts and see what happens there. Cause I think that, I think you should do that
Starting point is 00:45:17 because you've already done both. Cause you've already done both already, but I think I should, cause I wanna do that, is what I wanna do, but I'm like, fuck, I really wanna feel, you know, what Sal is, I wanna kinda wanna follow a protocol very similar to you so I can have my opinion on how I felt and what I think about it. You know what, yeah, I wanna do,
Starting point is 00:45:34 I think I wanna do dead lifts, overhead press, and then I wanna do some dips. Really? Ooh, dead lifts, be careful, man. All day long. Careful, you're right. Yeah, you're right. That could fry the shit. Especially when you go over head, press the bars.
Starting point is 00:45:50 Yeah. Yeah, that would be cool. That would be pretty good. Well, I was considering deadlift. So I might deadlift. That's a rough one. You just gotta be careful with your weight. All day like that, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:58 Yeah. How many workouts you guys want to do? Well, you said you've done three, right? Four. Oh, you did four. Yeah, I did four. No, no, no, no,'ve done three, right? Four. Oh, you did four. Yeah, I did four. No, no, no, no, hold on, I started at nine. Oh, you mean, two?
Starting point is 00:46:09 I did five workouts. So if we start at 10, because that's the time we wanna start, and we wanna do it every other hour, we could go 10, 10, 12, two, and then four, that'll be four workouts unless we want to. Oh, you separate by two hours. So I'll go every other hour.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Every other hour would be 10, 11. Do you, what do you do? No, no, 10. Yeah. Then I don't do it at 11. Oh, you have like a 90 minute break. Yeah, okay. Oh my God, every hour will be basically working out
Starting point is 00:46:41 the whole time. Okay, so you have a 90 minute break in which you say, so 10, 12, okay, I get what you're doing. Yeah, so we can come in here early to get already. Six. And then do every other hour type of deal. And then you four exercises you said are three. I did three last time.
Starting point is 00:46:56 I was trying to keep the workout like 30 minutes from what I said, three. It was like, 20 minutes. What are your rest periods? What were you doing resting between each other? Whatever I feel like. The whole workout would take me about 25 minutes. The first workout took the longest
Starting point is 00:47:07 because I'd have to kind of get used to it. How did three exercises take you 30 minutes for only five reps? I don't understand. Are you resting 15 minutes in between each one? No, maybe the set up and stuff like that. Yeah, three sets. Maybe the set up and stuff?
Starting point is 00:47:22 I don't know. Oh, three sets of each. I'm thinking single, you're doing a set. No, no, no, no. So it's nine sets total. Oh, okay. So it's about 25 minutes, you know? In the second, third, fourth,
Starting point is 00:47:34 that might happen much faster because you get, you'll see, you'll get under the bar and you'll be better than when you prime. It's like the best feeling ever. You get underneath it and you're just like, strength goes up. It's, it's a pretty awesome feeling. And you stay consistent with the weights all the way through.
Starting point is 00:47:48 That's the idea. That was the idea. The idea was pick a weight that I could probably do 12 with intensely. And just do five reps. Just do five, good form, go through it. So it's kind of like, it's not super hard, but it's enough for you to have to kind of focus
Starting point is 00:48:06 a little bit. And then the goal was to keep the weight the same. So don't change the weight at all. What I didn't wanna do is overshoot and then have to go down on weight, you know, at towards the end. But what I am gonna probably do is, I think I'll pick three exercises again,
Starting point is 00:48:22 but I'm not gonna focus on the weight or the the reps I'm just gonna focus on the feel and the squee that's what I mean my bodybuilder style I try and get the pump or whatever so the reps may be higher. I don't know. We'll see I'm gonna I'm gonna mess around and see End up saying what happens. I'm excited. It'll be a good time to do this It'll be a good time. Yeah, you guys see the the little bit of the the heat that was happening when my post on the Instagram No, yeah posted it this morning. What's the best diet? And I saw the post.
Starting point is 00:48:48 I saw the post. Are you in like, they're different camps all represented? Well, you're getting a lot of people that are agreeing with what I'm saying. And you know, it's one of those things. I was thinking about this morning because I had another DM this morning. Sal, what's the best diet for this? How often do you guys get that DM? Oh God.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Yeah. Every all the time, right? All right, get this. Is that the most common one? I'm 5'11, I'm 14% body fat, I'm 27 years old, I need to lose 15 pounds, I'm doing this. What should my macros be? I work out six times a week, you know,
Starting point is 00:49:22 I'm doing cardio, I'm also doing yoga, I wanna do this, like how do I incorporate this too? Yeah, it's like nobody wants to rest. You know why, you know why? So this morning I got another one of those and I started to get irritated because it's like, what do you mean, what's the best diet? Like how can I possibly answer that?
Starting point is 00:49:37 And then I thought about it and I kind of felt a little empathetic because I'm like, okay, I'm gonna put myself in the shoes of just a regular person who's trying to figure out what's best for them. You go online, you're gonna find 10 studies that support a vegan diet and anecdote. You're gonna find 10 other studies
Starting point is 00:49:55 that support a paleo diet with anecdotes. You're gonna find 10 that support keto, Mediterranean. You're gonna find a shit ton of anecdotes now that support carnivore. That's why we get that question all the time. Yeah. It's because there's so much evidence supporting so many different things. And so what I wrote in this post was why that is.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Is it because everybody else is lying? Or, which I don't, I don't think that's the case. I think the people who feel like their vegan diet is the best for them are probably right. It's because the human metabolism is so damn complex. I think we think we understand it, like we figured it out. Like, oh, we know how the metabolism works. Not really. We know some of it, but it's the second most complex thing
Starting point is 00:50:33 in the universe, right, behind the brain. And, you know, like I wrote in the post, we just recently figured out the microbiomes has a huge, and we don't even know much about it, but we know it has a huge impact on your, how you metabolize food. We also just learned relatively recently that your emotions have a big impact
Starting point is 00:50:50 on your body metabolizing food. You're sleep, you're exposure to light and sunlight. All these different things have these effects, and we're just now starting to learn about them. There's way more that we don't know than we know, and that's why the answer is always going to be depends. It depends. And what works?
Starting point is 00:51:08 Well, you can't market that. And so the marketing is to blame for all this because they're trying to pull you over to spend money in that direction. And that's literally the bottom line of all these different people that want you so badly to subscribe to that wave nutrition. literally the bottom line of all these different people that want you so badly to subscribe to like that wave nutrition or it's like yes it did work for you and so they're very passionate about you know the results they got and but it as far as a marketing perspective goes and selling you things and items and you know under that umbrella it's like you know they have to kind of make their case the strongest,
Starting point is 00:51:45 you know, to pull your money in that direction. The biggest thing that concerns me is that, and what I used to get as a trainer a lot, is somebody tries a diet, any diet, doesn't fucking matter which one. They try one out and they have success with it, and then they become married to that because of that, when they don't fully understand all the things that probably made them feel the way they felt. And so that's what I worry about. And you know, realize they change.
Starting point is 00:52:11 That's what I worry about when someone thinks they have found the perfect diet for them is because they've had the most success currently with that. Therefore, they just assume that it's the diet that's done that where it's probably some other variable that they're unaware of, because they're never really diligently tracked and paid attention to all these other variables that they're moving in and out by changing these diets. So, I implore people to go and try all of them.
Starting point is 00:52:37 Go run a keto for a month or two. Run a paleo diet. Run a vegan diet. For a while, run these things and track and pay attention and pay attention to how you feel and your performance and your sleep and your sex and your skin and your hair and all these other things that can be affected by the way you eat. And then trying to, I think, take a collection of all of them.
Starting point is 00:52:59 I just, I don't follow anything on a regular basis. I mean, I track right now, right? And I'm paying attention to what I'm meaning. And when I went into it, I wasn't like, and this is what people, I get this a lot in my DMs, like, hey, you guys are getting ready for your show. What's your macro profile you're following? I'm like, well, I'm not really like following a macro profile I'm eating, you know?
Starting point is 00:53:19 And then I'm tracking, and I can tell you where it's landing right now. And it's landing it like a you know 50% I'm like fat and carbs are Fat and protein are pretty even and carbohydrates are low. So I've got you know a moderately high fat moderately high protein low carbohydrate type of diet So I'm landing somewhere between 100 to 200 grams of carbohydrates, my proteins
Starting point is 00:53:46 more like 200 grams of carbohydrates and then, or 200 grams. And then my fats are landing anywhere from 100 to 175. Well, that's the key because it's not, and here's the thing, you can try all these different diets and figure out what works best for you, but that's not all of it. It's an ever-evolving process because your body is not the same. It changes. And neither is the context of your life and the things around you. So what you end up finding really what it is, if you want to figure out the best diet,
Starting point is 00:54:21 you know you're going to go're gonna embark on a journey of learning how to read your body and how it tends to react to certain foods and also be open to continue to learn because things change. Right. They just do. And that's the best diet. That's what I wrote in it. The best diet is figuring those things out for you.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Now, there's definitely general rules. Like, I tell people, well, first off, if you want to lose weight, you got to take in less calories and burn. You want to gain weight, you got to take in more calories than you burn. But the other general rule that I tell everybody is, for, first off, if you want to lose weight, you've got to take in less calories and burn. You want to gain weight, you've got to take in more calories and burn. But the other general rule that I tell everybody is, for the most part, avoid heavily processed foods. They will make you eat more, bottom line. They throw everything off because they're engineered to do so.
Starting point is 00:54:55 I mean, you know, try to eat 5,000 calories of plain baked potato and try to eat 5,000 calories of French fries or potato chips and see which ones easier to do. Yeah. It's way easier to eat the potato chips in the French fries than it is the plain. Well, on that note, pay attention to how each food, how you feel after eating each food, whether it's a vegetable, whether it's potato, whether it's a piece of meat, a specific kind of meat. That's why a elimination diet for me is always been something that I think
Starting point is 00:55:25 is beneficial for anybody to go through. It's just really just paying attention to the effects specific types of foods have, because you'll be surprised, you know, going through that process, like what stands out and what doesn't, and how it affects your body and how you react to it. Well, that's how I felt when we all went through the ketogenic diet. Like, I mean, that was a game changer for me as far as what I, I mean, I've been doing this for fucking over 15 years, feel like I'm pretty well versed in nutrition to understand that.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And I remember, you know, telling you guys on this show, when we first started fucking four, 600 grams of carbs a day, it was normal. I loved it. I felt great. I didn't have any Problems. I didn't think there was any really just like I'm a car. I could compete at the professional level I looked awesome. I was all about aesthetics. So why? Why would I even consider that? And that was the exact reason why I did it was because I caught myself saying that and I thought, okay, well, why not? Why not put myself through this and then see how I feel or see what I notice and man what blew me away? One I knew that I would never want to follow a ketogenic diet long-term
Starting point is 00:56:30 It just was not conducive for my lifestyle. I still like to have carbohydrates in there I did notice a slight decline in performance. I had better performance when I car much But what I was blown away by was how satiated I felt. I mean, on the high fat diet, like I didn't have these cravings all the time, been a carbeter and allowing that many carbs in and out of my diet all the time, like I was always battling cravings. It took a lot of discipline for me to stay regimen
Starting point is 00:56:57 to my diet because my appetite was always up. It totally suppressed that. Then I also noticed my skin, my psoriasis. Like I noticed all those things when I was eating a higher fat. And so what it was for me was, okay, what I, my body needed was more fats in the diet and I didn't need as many carbohydrates. And so I've found this kind of more happy medium for my life. It's not a protocol. I'm not following paleo, not falling keto, not following anything. It's that, you know, I feed my body fats when I feel like I haven't been getting enough
Starting point is 00:57:28 good fats and I give myself a little bit more carbohydrates when I feel like I haven't had enough carbohydrates, but I don't need nowhere near as many carbs I was in the past because I'm allowing myself a lot more fat in the diet that I was suppressing for a very long time that I notice a big difference. I feel fucking great and it's easy. So I think that that's the real takeaway from trying these diets is finding the foods that agree with you and the foods that work best for you less of the diet protocol that you're following. It's like if you run vegan and it did miracles for you,
Starting point is 00:58:00 well maybe it's not the fact that you're vegan, maybe it's the fact that you just needed a lot more vegetables in your life. Maybe that was what was wrong. Maybe that's what you needed to do, and so maybe you don't necessarily need to stay away from meat completely. Maybe you just need to introduce a lot more vegetables, and maybe you run a very high vegetable type of diet,
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Starting point is 00:58:54 Quijqua. First up, more Jojo. I'm seeing a few fitness bikini competitors speak up against breast implant illness and getting them removed. Any research suggesting that breast implants can cause autoimmune issues? So is controversy? I've heard about this. Yes, is Jessica doing this? Did I?
Starting point is 00:59:17 I thought I heard you say something. Yeah, she's going to get, so she had them done a while ago and she's going to get them, I guess, redone because... Oh yeah, every 10 years, right? Well, no. I mean, what happens to a lot of women is... So you get an implant, your body, always will typically will form a, like a scar tissue around it.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Now, the severity of that can vary dramatically. And if it gets really bad, you get what's called... I think it's called capsular contracture, where it becomes large and it contracts around the implant and it causes misshapen breasts and hardness. And so, this is just one of the more common potential negative side effects of getting breast implants and then you got to go get them redone and all that stuff. But when you do the research and you read about, and we're going to, you know, she's going to
Starting point is 01:00:06 someone's really good in all that, but when you do the research behind it, you get a lot of anecdotes of people saying that their implants made them sick and they had to get rid of them and they had to take them out and maybe the silicone is getting in their body and this, that, and the other. The best, I guess, theory I would have to this is, and this is, again, it's a controversial subject because the research shows that they're pretty safe, but here's my fear. My fear is when your body mounts that kind of an immune response
Starting point is 01:00:39 to the implant, to where it creates scar tissue, I don't think that's just a localized immune response. I feel like that's also a kind of systemic. It can have a little bit of a systemic effect. Like, have you ever had a part of your body? Well, I mean, that's had to heal from something. I mean, it can affect everything, right? Everything works synergistically.
Starting point is 01:00:58 The entire body, it's one organism. That's what we talk about this all the time. It's like, how could it not? It's funny, we have this question when you brought up the other controversial topic, which is the artificial sweeteners Yeah, because it's kind of like I feel like the same way about it's like I'm not pro or I'm actually pro them I think they look awesome But I'm not like again somebody doing it or not doing it. It's more just Understanding that you're putting a foreign thing in your body. And there's gotta be potential something
Starting point is 01:01:25 that could happen. Well, here's the ones that, if it's minimal and it's no big deal and you can live with it for rest of your life, then no big deal, who cares? But I would just think putting something artificially into your body, there's always gonna be some sort of a risk.
Starting point is 01:01:36 It wasn't meant to be there, right? Yeah, the ones that I am pretty confident on are, and this is just from my understanding as an exercise, you know, expert, if you will, you know, the most popular way to do breast augmentation is to take an implant and place it under the muscle. And what you're essentially doing is you're lifting the pack off of where it normally is and you're changing the angle of pull a little bit, right? So if I'm, it's imagine if you're changing the angle of pull a little bit, right?
Starting point is 01:02:06 So if I'm, it's imagine if you take your peck and you pull it up and put something underneath it, now that peck angle is going to change a little bit and that should change recruitment patterns all the way up the shoulder and up the neck. And if you look at, I don't know about you guys, but I've worked with quite a few women who've had breast augmentation who've had shoulder problems as a result of that change. And frozen shoulder becomes an issue sometimes and a lot of these women have to do specific exercise.
Starting point is 01:02:35 I know I've had women hire me specifically for that where they'll go get this and they'll say, okay, I want you to train me to make sure that I don't get shoulder problems, stuff like that. So it can definitely change how you end up moving your body. But it's an interesting one. It's an interesting thing to talk about actually because what comes to mind for me right now is not so much the breast implants as much as what we're technology is heading right now.
Starting point is 01:03:01 And this is my fear of all these, I mean, we just saw this and talk about article, Sal. I don't know. Did you see the article on the company that has you, you can put in, they put you in your thumb, your thumb like a chip. And then you can scan and buy things just from like your, like your figure. Chip implant. Yeah, chip implant inside. I'm not the sign of the beast. I know. Exactly. Well, people are opting into it already. Well, willingly. That's what I'm saying. So, like, you know, we're right around the corner from this app being normal.
Starting point is 01:03:29 Yeah. Like, they were, they were rantin' and raven all about it. And it was all of these positive reviews from it. Everybody loving it. And so, you know, even if it comes out that there's nothing wrong with it, it's okay. There's just something that worries me about putting something inside of my body permanently
Starting point is 01:03:44 that was not meant to be in there. There's that foreign object was not meant to be. It can't be ideal. And it's like, where do we, where do we, at what point do we, well it's interesting, we also watched that documentary, you know, about the,
Starting point is 01:03:57 like the different types of like materials they've been using for like hip replacement and you know, how people have rejected certain types of metals and that actually caused like toxic reactions and you know it's a delicate ecosystem. It's like your body really like it only does well with certain materials and sometimes we're like troubleshooting that you know we don't really know right away if it's gonna accept it or reject it So it's interesting. Yeah, and I mean, you know, here's the thing with them too
Starting point is 01:04:29 It's like I mean I get it especially I get it for Everybody has it's your body right do whatever you want to it. It's always been my belief But I also really empathize with you know, I've had female clients who you know What what hire me and then they'll get pregnant and so I'll train them through the pregnancy and then they'll have the baby and then they're done with breastfeeding. And they'll tell me, I'm going to get implants and I'll have this conversation and they'll say, it's like there's nothing in them anymore. So I would, I'm empathetic towards stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:04:59 And of course, the extreme cases where you have women who've had mastectomies and stuff like that. And so it's a miracle to be able to have these procedures for those types of situations. And in our world, in the fitness world, especially in the competitive world, if you're a female bikini or fitness or figure competitor, you're getting fucking lean when you're on stage. Bikini is the least lean of all the female competitors and bikini competitors get shredded. What body fat do you think,
Starting point is 01:05:27 what do they walk on stage, like 10% or leaner? Oh yeah. Yeah. And your boobs are made out of fat tissue. Yeah, so now you're on stage, you've probably have no boobs because you're shredded. Obviously, you're lost all your fat. And then to make it worse, they don't say this happens, but I'm pretty
Starting point is 01:05:45 fucking sure that you don't get the same, the likelihood of getting a good score goes down because you're flat. Is that, is that, is that, yeah, it's definitely, there's, I mean, there's a lot of people believe that, you know, there's no proof of that. You can't prove that, but a lot of people believe that it's, you know, I mean, they're, again, it was just like, it's like, it's the, you know, answering that to me is kind of like answering, like, do the, do the judges take any consideration someone who's better looking? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:13 Their face is better looking, right? Because at the end of the day, yeah, it's supposed to be a body, bodybuilding competition, but it's money is pushed through here through supplement companies. Who's most marketable. Yeah. So these people are also also they have an agenda I mean, they're looking for they're look they want to highlight people that potentially are gonna make Cover so you know if you if you keep not placing well, but you have an incredible physique it could because you're fucking ugly or you know
Starting point is 01:06:40 Yeah, I mean it's it's it's the truth, but nobody nobody comes out and says it right, but I mean that, it's the truth, but nobody comes out and says it. But I mean, it's the reality. Come on, it's like, when the magazine companies, the supplement companies are the ones paying for the show. So, to put on a big show, it cost, I don't even know what it cost, but it's north of $50,000, right, to host a big event like that.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Well, the people that pay for those events are supplement companies and magazines and people that have interest. Yeah, it's the reason why those contests exist. Yes, it is exactly why they exist. To find the next sponsored athlete. Right. And so they pluck the athletes off there. And so, you know, a girl who's got proportions and has boobs is made do better, just like a guy that's better looking than a guy that's fucking ugly You know, it's just I think it's and I think it's unfortunate
Starting point is 01:07:30 I think it's what I think is more unfortunate are the girls that feel the need to do it to win like because you get a Fucking plastic trophy and I see this on the men's side just as much like when they're the waste trainers It's like you're doing things that sure maybe that gives this illusion and maybe the judges are telling you know, but that's so silly to me at what a cost Well break it down what cost because once you get this trophy that everybody's chasing after and and whatever I don't know if it's the Instagram fucking thing that drives this But you don't get anything you don't I didn't make any money because I was a pro like none of what we do right now Is anything to do with me being a pro other than gives me some sort of street cred. Well, break it down to, break it down a little bit like why, why is it so much more common
Starting point is 01:08:12 with these competitors and part of it is, you know, body image issues and stuff like that which are, which are common in, in our industry. The other part of it is again, like they get so shredded, but think about that for a second. Why is a super shredded female that's natural? Why does that look unattractive? Because women are supposed to have a certain amount of fat. Because they can't function normally. Now men when they get super shredded,
Starting point is 01:08:34 if you see them in person, they also don't look too healthy. But guys get away with it much more because we evolved to have less body fat. You know what I'm saying? A guy can walk around at 7% body fat, which is lean. He's not sick shredded, but he's lean. And he's gonna look pretty good.
Starting point is 01:08:52 Women who walk around it, 12, 13% body fat, that's, that typically looks unhealthy because, and many of them lose their periods, because you're supposed to have some fat, so you put implants in to create the illusion of having more body fat on your body when you really don't. That's a great point. That's a great point.
Starting point is 01:09:10 It is. It just kind of highlights the craziness of, and I hate saying this, I know I piss people off and people really enjoy the sport and there's certain things you can learn from it for sure. But let's be honest, it's a fucking, not it's fucking, not a, it's a very counter health cause sport. There's nothing healthy about it. You just have to recognize what it really is. It's like a, it's a beauty pageant.
Starting point is 01:09:31 And you know, we're letting, we're letting five year olds get in it now. If you're somebody who supports that and thinks that's the smart thing to do, like to then to each their own, but it's a similar concept. You have people who do not, that have a elementary level of nutrition and programming and understand in human physiology that are getting into the sport that have no idea What they're potentially doing themselves. It's crazy
Starting point is 01:09:54 It reminds me that it reminds me of putting these little girls in at five years old and these crazy you see those things before I mean, it's like and I'm not saying that that they can't potentially maybe that kid doesn't get fucked up. Maybe, maybe. Like, what are the chances of- Let's see here. We're teaching my kid that what's most valuable is how they look at five when they're super cute. How are they gonna feel when they go through puberty at 13? I wonder. Yeah, I mean, that's what I would have, what a crazy- So I feel the same way. I look at the sport of body. Now, at the adult level, beauty pageants,
Starting point is 01:10:25 Miss America, one of the most famous. Okay, okay. We're starting to get rid of the swimsuit. Right, right, okay, whatever. I can see a little more understanding of that, even though I'm sure that causes some major issues with girls, I'm sure if you fall around all the Miss America pageant girls
Starting point is 01:10:39 that they've probably had to deal with some shit in their life because of that. But I mean, at that low of a level of understanding about nutrition and your body, and then to get into these sports, and then to manipulate your body, to make it look a certain way, or wear a fucking waste trainer to make it shrink your,
Starting point is 01:10:55 to do these things, it's like, what the fuck? I had a, I had a, I would have never done any of that. I got it, I got a DM. It becomes their whole value. Yep, yep, I had a DM from a young lady. She was 20, like, 20, early 20s about a month ago. And, you know, I like to try and answer
Starting point is 01:11:12 to people's questions and help them, especially if I think that they need help. And she's like, hey, you know, I listened to your interview. I don't remember which podcast I was on. And really resonated with me. I think I've really done a lot of harm to my body. She was a young lady. And so what did she do?
Starting point is 01:11:28 Well, she competed, she hired a coach. The coach had her eat super, super low calories, do an hour plus a cardio a day, plus resistance training. And this girl took Anivar and Climbuterol leading up to the show. So he had her or whatever, I don't know who the coach was, a male or female, I'm assuming it's a male, but he or she had her taking testosterone derivatives
Starting point is 01:11:54 plus an illegal fat burning type drug, which has got some negative effects on the heart. She's 20, like two years old. She has, this was her first time ever competing. Her history of exercise before this was like months. And it's like, are you, like, these people need to be, I don't know, you know, I should have asked the guys name and called them out, you know, just because it's terrible. There's a lot of it. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a lot of
Starting point is 01:12:18 that going on. So, you know, like, I think, if you're going to do, you're going to do it, like, I mean, Katrina wants them. So, and I don't think she, I definitely don't think she needs them, but she wants them, and I'm not like telling her, no, she can't have them, you know? Like, it's, that's to each throw. And the technology's a lot better now, so, because I did my research with Jessica,
Starting point is 01:12:35 and now they make implants. Well, first off, they have these anatomically correct type shapes now, which look a lot better, so you don't look like you have, you know, cannons or whatever. And then they also have a textured surface because that prevents, you know, what could potentially be causing?
Starting point is 01:12:51 No, what could potentially be causing capsular contracture, which is more common. That's the most common side effect. So, and then there's procedures now that they do to prepare the implants themselves, like they bathed them in these antibiotic solutions and you all this other stuff. And they've got it down.
Starting point is 01:13:09 They've got it down now to the point where the risks with that most common side effect are much lower. Is it still silicone based? Silicon is the most popular. It feels real. It's been around for a long time. It's, you know, supposedly it shows lots of safety and not a problem. But I think a lot of the problems that women have with implants, I don't know if it has
Starting point is 01:13:31 to do with the implant itself or it just has to do with the body rejecting the foreign object in the body. That's all I think it is. Right, and there's going to be a small percentage of those people that it affects, but it probably does affect them. And then if you make the decision, you are rolling the dice somewhat. It's not, I don't, I think it's better, it's more likely you're gonna be safe and fine, right?
Starting point is 01:13:49 There's probably a much higher percentage of success rates and people have no problems, love them, it's all good. Which I'm sure we're gonna see when we start seeing these chips and things going people's bodies, dude. I think it's crazy that you have to get it, like, redone every 10 to 15 years. That's kind of crazy.
Starting point is 01:14:03 Like, I gotta do this again. In 10 to 15 years, I gotta replace these. That's kind of crazy. Like I gotta do this again in 10 to 15 years. I gotta replace these. That's kind of fucked up. I plan on living till I'm, what am I gonna do after like, after a few, after three more surgeries at some point where you do, I don't want this to be. Yeah, you take them out.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Yeah, I think that happens a lot. I know people that that's how they've had them. They've redone them two or three times and then it's like then they just get rid of them. They just get rid of them. The one I don't understand is but implants. I don't understand that at all. That's a muscle.
Starting point is 01:14:27 Like you can build that. You know what I mean? It's lazy. And you're sitting on that all day and you're moving around the fuck me. It starts to fuck that up. A butt implants are the cap implants for men, you know? Scoop it.
Starting point is 01:14:37 Yeah, it's like, you know, as shitties it is, but you it's a muscle, you could still build it. You know what I'm saying? You could definitely create the illusion to have it. I know for sure when I was competing, you know, my calves have never been great, but they were good. They were cool. I was cool with them. Like I said, they have a shape to them. You could tell I worked them out. There's definitely a difference when you have calves that you don't work out and then you actually shape and, you know, build. I mean,
Starting point is 01:14:58 my mind may never get huge, you know, but you can see a difference, but it took a lot of fucking hard work to do that. The ass is the same thing for the girls, dude. Same exact thing. You know, if you just put the work in, you actually work the butt right. It might take some time. Yeah, it'll take some time. But it'll be real. Oh, yeah. You can't do that with boobs. That's why I'm saying I'm skipping. Yeah. It's a big difference. Exactly. Next up is M. K-Feld. I'm a high school teacher, and for the most of the day, my students are sitting hunched over their laptops
Starting point is 01:15:26 What are some ways to get them up and moving or some mobility stretches that would help them? Do this is so cool that a teacher who wants to know this. I'm so glad I know because I did to me. I'm so So curious to see what is gonna happen the next 10 years I know I've said that I'm probably people probably annoyed here and me say that so much, but this is something that I really think we don't have any idea what's coming. I think we are in for something that, because it's so easy to justify the phone
Starting point is 01:15:58 and the computer thing all day long because we're getting so plugged in, and this is going to be in my opinion, one of the biggest back lashes that we feel like completely for sure, US wide, potentially worldwide because of how much we're all doing this. And I and I, I speak from experience on the amount and level of work that I put in to it, to a counter it. And what it takes for me to counter it. It's a lot of effort just to neutralize it because it's inevitable. I'm gonna work on my computer because I know
Starting point is 01:16:31 there's people that are like, they just say fuck it because they're like, that's my job. I have to do it. But it's like, if you don't start putting in practices to address the rounded shoulders and forehead, when we first started as trainers, it was already common. This is fucking, I mean, computers had only been around for about 10 years, 10, 15 years prior to that. We did have a lot of data to show somebody who was born with a fucking computer and a cell phone, and it started that at age fucking five potentially,
Starting point is 01:17:00 you know, how many parents you know, throw the iPad to their kids, and they sit in front of the iPad or their computer all day long like we haven't seen this for 20, 30 years before and it's accelerating the amount that the kids kids are playing less. So go to go to a school, go to a school and when I go pick up my kids and I look at everybody, all the kids walk around, its kids look different now. Forward shoulder, everybody. Forward head, everybody. Foot and ankle dysfunction, where you got flat feet, feet turning out, whatever, everybody.
Starting point is 01:17:36 It's so common, it's insane. And the problem with this is, the big problem is, look, it's a problem with adults too, but with kids, they're growing into their bodies, their bodies are still changing. They're gonna solidify some of this shit. Yeah. You know how, first off,
Starting point is 01:17:52 there's a certain level of dysfunction you will never be able to correct. Oh, 100%. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example, okay. I've been wearing shoes since the day I was able to walk, okay? I will never be able to get my feet to the point where my toes are all active and spread out
Starting point is 01:18:08 and my foot is strong and muster as like somebody who has always lived barefoot. At this point now, I'm trying to correct the past and I'm improving, but I'll never, it'll never be like somebody who's always out. Well, there's not enough time in your life. There isn't. There's not enough time in your life There isn't there's not enough time in your life to counter the those those patterns for so many
Starting point is 01:18:28 I mean you like you said you were born a month later your parents got shoes on you Yeah, from that point on like the mounted in order to counter you've done so much bad work for so long in order to count It's you'd spend the rest of your life yep Tempting just to do that and that's, and that's what's happening with kids. But I love that a teacher is asking, recognizing. And here's the other benefit to the teacher, because I'm gonna give you some suggestions, but here's the other benefit.
Starting point is 01:18:54 You're gonna find your students are gonna be more productive. Oh yeah. And they're gonna focus better. Taking breaks and just having them stand up alone is gonna do wonders, but the first thing that comes to my mind is to get them interacting with each other and like doing like partner type stretches. So if you can have them kind of with their arms open and somebody behind them kind of holding them in place
Starting point is 01:19:16 while they stretch and open up their chest and shoulders retract that would be a massively beneficial one. This would be a cool drive or a nonprofit thing to try and solve this. I would love to try and do something where we get like schools like bands, and we put together like a little two minute thing that they do with their kids, that every desk has, and that's part of like class.
Starting point is 01:19:43 They come in, they just real quick, something that they can do to activate that post-ear chain before they sit down in that rounded shoulder entire time, that could be a big deal, dude. That could be a really cool thing to really help out. I would prefer to do it without any equipment whatsoever, just to make it as as accessible as possible because there's a lot of schools out there that
Starting point is 01:20:03 they're so tight with their budget and they'll look at oh exercise. These are just more barriers. Yeah, they're like, I'm not going to. No, that's why we would have to try and do. Well, yeah, yeah, I would be that's why I'm saying it would be a cool cause to try and get people behind to try and do. Yeah, you of course, schools are not going to go pay for a ban for every single kid.
Starting point is 01:20:20 No, that would have to be a movement. Yeah, I'm down to do. Here's what I would, Here's what I would recommend. I recommend with your students is to have a timer in the classroom that goes off and it sets off a ding every 30 minutes or every hour. And every 30 minutes when it goes off, everybody stand up and have them do three or four movements. It could be as easy as touch your toes,
Starting point is 01:20:46 reach up tall to the sky, touch your toes, reach up tall to the sky. It could be as easy as, you know, put your foot up on your chair and maybe do a step up or maybe you'll wanna step up on their chair then they could do a couple standing squats. And you're gonna get some mones and some groans and so we got, but you just being,
Starting point is 01:21:02 okay everybody get up, do your three exercises, when you're done with your three movements, sit back down and get back down to work. And what you'll find, what you're gonna find is way better, focus and concentration, because you know what happens when you sit down at a computer for, and especially if you're a kid for an hour, after about 30 minutes or so,
Starting point is 01:21:21 a lot of these kids are just looking at the screen and they're not really doing anything. You get them to get up and move and they sit back down, they're right back on top. Yeah. Just some basic stuff, some squats, you know, in place. Like anything, like I'm just trying to think of things that can just get up and do where it doesn't, you know, you don't have to have a whole lot of things.
Starting point is 01:21:38 So if you just fold your hands behind your lower back and you pull your shoulders back and down and I'm kind of like just working on that retraction to compensate for, you know, sitting there the whole time. But then yeah, like, so I'll set like, move, like just stepping in place, like you can make it super simple doing jumping jacks, like basic stuff. So that way it keeps the blood flow, it keeps them, you know, it keeps everything moving. And you're right about the blood flow. They show now in studies that sitting down for longer than 20 minutes, something reduces
Starting point is 01:22:10 blood flow to the brain, which of course will result in decreases in cognitive performance. Here's how I would organize it. If I was the teacher, I would get up every hour and I'd do it with them, just because there's nothing more effective than leading it yourself. So, okay, everybody stand up. We're gonna do that whatever. Do this, do that, do this, do that. Takes a grand total of five minutes.
Starting point is 01:22:29 All right, everybody sit down, get back to work. The second way to do it, if you don't wanna do this, because I know there's a lot of teachers that are gonna be like, I don't wanna do that. I might be in the middle of something or whatever. Then what you do is you elect a leader student and you could change it every single day and kids love doing this by the way. Empowering. Yeah, and you could change it every single day
Starting point is 01:22:45 and kids love doing this by the way. Yeah, and you could say, okay, John, today, you're the exercise leader, when the bell goes off, you're gonna stand up and you're gonna take everybody through three exercises and then, you know, John's like cool, and then being, it does, John stands up, he gets everybody to do it, they sit back down, and I would do this every 30 minutes. It's what I would do.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Every 30, because you're in the classroom, you know, between recess and break, they're probably in the class, I didn't give a moment for like a couple hours or something like that. So that sounds to me. And you just rotate between lunges, squats, pushups, you do shoulder circles,
Starting point is 01:23:20 and you just do like toe touches and then arm extensions. Imagine if you were a kid in the classroom that did this. and you just do toe touches and then arm extensions. Imagine if you were a kid in the classroom, I did this. I think it probably would help me pay attention. Totally, dude. I think it would've been for the boys in the class on the guaranteed.
Starting point is 01:23:34 You know, because I'm not a teacher, I feel bad about trying to give advice here. I feel like they, I don't know what their students are like, right? So I wonder if the teacher's listening to this right now. She's just like, yeah, right. My kids are gonna get up and do that. Or yeah, like that's what I'm wondering.
Starting point is 01:23:47 And like if that's coming for with some of the, well, it's not gonna happen unless, you know, you make it happen. Right. I mean, because I feel like I would have to create some sort of like, you know, you know what I would do is I would take one of those three yard sticks. And hit the kids.
Starting point is 01:24:00 Yeah. Bring it back home. Yeah, exactly. I get these little fuckers moving. Did I ever tell you, oh my God, this poor kid fell asleep and this was like Mr. Templeton. He was like this old, grouchy old man or whatever, this guy fell asleep in his class.
Starting point is 01:24:17 He got so pissed off, he took one of those rulers, he smacked his hand with it. He woke him up with that. Oh shit. Yeah, straight up just attacked him with it. And we're all just like gasping. Oh my God. That's hilarious.
Starting point is 01:24:29 Yeah. No, I would take gangster. So I would take that the yardstick, right, that most teachers have in their classroom. And I would use that as a to show them the three points of contact in a squat. And I would make making a perfect squat, a competitive thing that would go on for the year. And that I would show them like what a perfect squat looks a competitive thing that would go on for the year. And that I would show them like what a perfect squat looks like and how the three points have to have to connect. The teacher would have to know that. Right, right. That's just what I
Starting point is 01:24:53 would do. That's why I don't know the classroom. I don't know what I'm setting in, but I would do something cool like that that would I feel like I could teach them something at the same time. It gives them something competitive to try and focus on. You know, the biggest hurdle is for teachers is not the teacher. The biggest hurdle is the state or the federal, whatever, because a kid could complain, then the principal will be like, well, we're not supposed to do that. And with the asthma, which really pisses me off because teachers, you know, they should be the food allergy. They should be having a flexibility to, you know, to teach the classrooms how they see fit
Starting point is 01:25:30 because the kids are so different from each other, but I don't think it's a fucking, come on, I'll just stand up, you know, jump in place for 30 seconds, cool. No, touch your toes, reach out. Even like the most important thing to do is to get the kids to be able to do the same thing. Kids are so different from each other, but I don't think it's a fucking, come on. All right, everybody, stand up. You know, jump in place for 30 seconds. Cool. Touch your toes, reach out. Even like the wiggle out thing.
Starting point is 01:25:50 That's it, you know, I'm saying like, they just really stuff. Yeah, it doesn't even fucking matter. Just get up and, yeah, stand tall. Yeah, no, you're right. That's it, you know, and that's your, look, you're the teacher. Command, control your classroom.
Starting point is 01:26:01 Some of you guys are good at it. Some of you aren't, I've had both. But I'm telling you right now, will it help the kids because they're exercising a little bit? Will it help them do better with their work? You're performing a lot of way up. That's what's going to happen. You're going to see more kids pay attention
Starting point is 01:26:14 and more kids doing better with their schoolwork. Next question is from Trenton Burford. My girlfriend is in the process of trying to put on weight, but struggles with hitting her daily caloric target. Are there any ways she can increase her appetite naturally and is there a specific map's program she should get to help with that? This is like the number one thing I think I get from girls that do maps in a ball.
Starting point is 01:26:39 Yeah, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say it all the time, so I told you that. And now that we've been doing this for this long time. That, and it gets them the horny. It's true. Yeah. I know, I get that a lot. It's interesting. Hungry and libido boots.
Starting point is 01:26:51 Hungry horny. That is a very good, especially in phase one. Yeah. And that is a very good song. Now, and what I think it is, it's like, it's not the program that's miraculous. So let's unpack why. I mean, we've been doing this for a very long time. The reason why we've had so many
Starting point is 01:27:05 people that response is because a majority of girls typically are not good you in reps they don't strength train and they don't strength train compound lifts where it's right and they don't do properly right it's rare it's rare that you see that and so i think that's why you see this huge like hormonal or libido in the big change because I haven't felt that before. Yeah, I mean, I remember the first time that I made that change. And when it, because I didn't train like that, I train like that really young for a really long time.
Starting point is 01:27:35 And then I found out about the myth of, oh, it's not just heavy weight that builds muscle lightweight. And then I did high reps for many, many years as a kid because when I, then I switched to high reps, once you found something that worked. Yeah, then it worked. And I was, oh, shit, it must have been high reps for many, many years as a kid because when I then I switched to high reps. Once you found something that worked. Yeah, then it worked. And I was, oh shit, it must have been high reps. That's what I was meant. And so I was in that trap for a long time
Starting point is 01:27:51 and super setting and doing all that crazy stuff. And then it wasn't until not that long ago where I really reintroduced strength training again where I was doing singles doubles, triples, or five reps, like I had done that in years and poor body response. So I think I hadn't done that in years, and, pooh, body response. So I think it's more of that for what, why they feel that on the maps, and then it's also, most people also make the mistake, a lot of,
Starting point is 01:28:14 especially people that like listen to this show that are avid people that work out, right, is a lot of them over train and don't program well. And anabolic is beautiful for somebody who's training four or five, six days a week and has been training for years and just plateaued hard for a really long time, switching to something that is less days in the gym and that is better programmed out.
Starting point is 01:28:36 It's like, it always blows people away. That's the one that people, you know, in that situation, I have a hard time with. It's very much so. It's scheduled to rest and the scheduled, you know, limitation. Taking days off. What you're doing.
Starting point is 01:28:48 I've been that guy too. I've been the person too that, you know, like so, even when I run anapocalyptic, I still gotta go to the gym. Like seven days a week, it's just, you know, like six. I don't have one day that I actually don't go to the gym, but then that I'm, when I'm on my training, I'm on my training, I'm on my training, I'm in there. And I just like the, you know, being in that routine
Starting point is 01:29:06 where if I say at this time of every day, this is my time for the gym and I don't ever miss, sometimes I go there and stretching the whole entire time. It gives you time to do mobility. Right, right. And so that's how I program that in. If I'm following an anabolic protocol, but it tell you what, very hard to make that mental switch
Starting point is 01:29:22 for a guy who likes to lift five, six, seven days a week. So, yeah, no, I think it's a good, a good resistance training routine will almost like clockwork make you, make you hungrier. That's just, yeah. It's one of the hallmark signs that a resistance training program is doing. A new adaptation. It is. Yeah, almost always.
Starting point is 01:29:42 That's one of the, the number, that's one of the first comments I would get from clients when I'd start training clients as a personal trainer. I'd start training them, then they'd come to me like, my God. My appetite's through the roof, what's going on. I'm like, well, here's what's happening. You're finally doing a workout that's sending the right signal. Your body's now trying to build muscle. As a result of that, your metabolism is speeding up.
Starting point is 01:30:03 Now your body's telling you to eat more. That is a very predictable thing. In fact, if you do a new resistance strain routine and your appetite decreases, that's a good sign that your routine isn't good. It's not working for you. It's either too much or not effective. If your appetite goes up, especially if your strength goes up along with it,
Starting point is 01:30:21 those are the two best signs I could ever ask for. When I have someone tell me, hey, Sal, I'm doing the workout that you told me, and here's what's happened so far, and they tell me, I got stronger, and then this, this, this, this, oh, my appetite's through the roof. If I hear appetite going up and stronger, I'm always like, great, routine's working great for you.
Starting point is 01:30:41 You're moving along the right track. So this is common when you do a routine that's telling your body to build muscle. Because if your metabolism speeds up, if your body goes from burning 1500 calories a day to burning 2000 calories a day because you're sending the right signal and you're eating the same amount you're eating before,
Starting point is 01:31:02 you put yourself in a deficit now. So let me break that down for you. Let's say you were always burning 1500 calories a day. That was your normal metabolic rate. And you were consuming 1500 calories a day. And so you were maintaining your body weight. And you were working out hard and doing all these different things.
Starting point is 01:31:17 And body weight hasn't changed, body weight hasn't changed. Then you enroll in a program like Maps and a Balic or you do something mouse and it works really fucking well for you. And you're sending the right signal, and now your body wants to build. So your metabolism starts to boost up, and now your metabolism is burning 2,000 calories a day. What is happening when you're eating the same amount
Starting point is 01:31:35 of food you were eating before? You are now in a deficit. And what typically happens when you put yourself in a 500 calorie or 300 calorie deficit for a few weeks, your appetite goes up. That's what's happening. That's exactly what's happening with your girlfriend. What you want to do with your girlfriend is rather than try to force feed her food or have her eat a bunch of garbage because this is what I used to do as a kid, is I was trying
Starting point is 01:31:58 to gain weight and I couldn't eat enough. And so what I would do is I would eat... Eat... Eat... Eat those candy bars in, right? Yeah, I would eat super highly palatable processed food because, you know how it is. If you're super full and you can't eat anymore, you put a candy bar in front of me,
Starting point is 01:32:12 or you put a donut in front of you. That's your training drive, your nutrition. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would eat this garbage, and of course it wasn't healthy for me. It wouldn't result in the right kind of weight gain and muscle gain and all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:32:24 Now on the flip side, rather than having her force feed herself, if she starts to train properly, her appetite will naturally increase. And then she'll start eating more. And now she's fueling muscle growth. And it's not just, you know, whatever weight that she's trying to gain, but it always does crack me up. I think that's probably the most common, first comment I would get from clients.
Starting point is 01:32:48 Well, it's because it's what's most needed. It's what's what most needed for a majority of people. That's what's so special. I mean, that was when, that's what really excited me when you first sent it before, my pump ever existed. And because I was literally just, it's kind of, it's crazy the timing
Starting point is 01:33:04 how this all happened, because I was kind of putting this all together of, it's crazy the timing how this all happened because I was kind of putting this all together for myself as far as like, wow man, we've been really sending all the wrong messages out there as far as training is concerned and at all levels and I feel like I wish I would have pieced a lot of these things together 10 years ago, you know, that I know now.
Starting point is 01:33:20 And when you sent over MAP Santa Bologna the whole, you know whole lead magnet thing that you and Doug had made, I was like, fuck, dude, this is, I haven't seen anything else where someone is teaching something. And the beauty and it isn't its simplicity. It's, it's the core things that are going to really help you more than anything else. Everything from central nervous system to overall mobility, to strength, to building the physique you probably wanted. That's the true foundation, and then you can build upon on that. And that's the evolution of that. This we should address this while we're talking about this because I've been getting this
Starting point is 01:33:54 in the DMs a lot. Because now we have all this different marketing that's out where people are coming in to mind-punk from all different places, that there's kind of an order of operation that the programs were created. Like, and it's maybe, it's not very clear on the website that that's how we intended them to be. Now, it doesn't mean that you can't start anywhere you want and bounce around and that's all fine and well encouraged,
Starting point is 01:34:19 but they were structured in a way that we really thought of like all the things, the common, you know, fallacies or whatever they are out there with training and lifting and tried to address them in the order that we think that we would coach somebody basically who hired us, you know, that we would train for the next year to two years. This is the order of operation. It's maps and a ball at first, you get them that and you're going to get these great benefits. Metabolism boost and starts going up and they're getting to eat more calories. They're training less than the gym. Like that, I mean, that when you're just starting a program, like this is the things that you want to be feeling and having at the beginning
Starting point is 01:34:58 to ramp you up to get you ready for the type of volume that comes in aesthetic and split. And then also meanwhile, addressing the things like mobility, like we talk about all the time that. Yeah, the ideal way to go would be maps and a ball, maps performance, and then aesthetic split and all that. Yep. That would be the ideal way to,
Starting point is 01:35:15 and here's a thing with appetite. I want to stress this, if you're doing a hard workout and you're pushing yourself really, really hard, and your appetite just seems to want to disappear, that's a good sign that you're over training. It's one of the first things that happens to me when I'm pushing my body to hard or whatever and I'm just like, I don't feel like eating that much or I'll have weird cravings. So instead of, I don't want to eat that much except I do want to eat a lot of crappy, shitty food to give me that serotonin boost or whatever. Exactly, so. All right, next up for a Schneider.
Starting point is 01:35:47 What is your opinion on Mike, the situation, getting fat but being happy compared to when he was fit, train wreck? Have you ever seen this before? Mike, the situate. So are you guys watching it? We're getting a Jersey Shore update here. What, yeah, you're the one who's getting fat, huh?
Starting point is 01:36:04 So you guys, no idea. Did you guys watch the old the old episodes? I watched I've watched all the old ones and I've even watched one of the new ones I think it's the very first episode. That was it. Okay, so in the old season, they were all shredded. Right really lean Mike was He called the situation time. That's where he's called the situation because his abs are all whatever and but he but he was a fucking, you know, he was a train wreck. He was obviously, if you watch the show, he saw dysfunctional. Most they were all, but especially him. And when you read, when you hear about what he was going through at that time, he was, I think he was using opiates and I told you I ran into him in Vegas, right? No. Oh, yeah, dude. He was being carried out of a nightclub when I was going in. It was at a hawkasson. It was around,
Starting point is 01:36:44 I think it was, I think it was there for opening weekend. And so was he, I think it was that weekend. I can't remember for sure. But I definitely remember him getting carried out. And he was so good. So good. Bro, he was just out of it. Like he could barely, he had two people
Starting point is 01:36:58 underneath him kind of carrying him through. He could barely lift his hat, it was all, he decided it was all sweaty and drenched. And like, he just looked like he was off. One of the worst performances on, you know, the roast. Like he was on, oh, I was so uncomfortable when he was on that roast. Who are they roasting? He did terrible.
Starting point is 01:37:16 Uh, I think that one might have been, um, what's the guy, the night writer guy. Oh, David Hasselhoff. Hasselhoff, I think. Oh. I think he was on that one. Yeah, so one of those. Anyway, I remember the whole bomb. Bro, he did so bad of it. He did so bad that the other comedians were trying to like tell the audience.
Starting point is 01:37:35 Yeah, they were actually trying to save him a little, like be nice to him. This is a roast. You're trying to be nice to him. He was terrible. I haven't seen this, but I want to try and guess this answer, then you can correct it. You know, because you have, you probably have more, more of an answer because you've been watching the show. So my guess is that he's no longer doing all the drugs and drinking and everything like
Starting point is 01:37:59 that. And he's now overweight, but claims to be really happy. And what I would just say is he's just traded one addiction for the other. And so his happiness maybe is disguised differently just because he's expressing it and saying is, I mean, if he's gone that overweight, then instead of doing lines of coke, he's doing eating shitty drinking or whatever, I don't know if he's not drinking, he's sober, if he's eating whatever and looking like that. I mean, I just had this conversation.
Starting point is 01:38:26 I had a really deep conversation with one of my family members that is trying to lose weight right now. And one of the things that I was saying to him when we were talking, I was like, he asked me a very real question that was very hard for me to stay directly back to him because I was like, felt back because he says You know, do you know anybody that is or how many people have you helped that are my my size and I was a cult man hundreds You know maybe a thousand. I don't know a lot man And he goes well what percentage those lose all the weight and then keep it off
Starting point is 01:39:01 I said oh fuck man probably only like 20% to be honest. And I said, you know, that part of that 20% I think one was I probably wasn't the best trainer that I was, you know, I wasn't the best trainer back then. And I'm a lot more seasoned now. And so I can have a conversation like this to let you know the pitfalls that are potentially coming ahead of you. Let you know the pitfalls that are potentially coming ahead of you And so to one of the main ones is every I said 99.9% of all of them didn't have a weight problem They had something else in their life that was our balance that they weren't addressing that was eating them up inside And this is how they were expressing it was through food addiction and so know, people can say all they want that they're fat and happy or what are that, but there's, it's normally you are, it's being, when you
Starting point is 01:39:51 get to a point where you're obese, okay, if you're considered obese, which believe it or not, there's a lot more people out there that, that, that are obese that don't think they're obese. I don't know how many times that, I made somebody cry when I did their body fat test and you read it. How many times you guys make someone cry? I'm uncomfortable. I laugh because that's happened quite a lot. So many times, right? You're uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:40:09 And it's like, oh, you're actually obese. And they look at you like, what? Yeah. And right away, I have to tell them it's okay. Most people I measure back here are. So it's not where we're at. It's where we go. And so I'd have this little spiel that I said at the time
Starting point is 01:40:21 because I was so used to people breaking down because they are just unaware. Some people get mad at spiel, I said at the time because I was so used to people, you know breaking down because they are just unaware Yeah, even some people get mad at me like are you I'm not obese like okay, you know the body fat test is that's that's what they choose you but so You know a lot of these people have got have stuff going on that they're not addressing and they think it's gonna be something They're just gonna outwork and so I'm telling him the same things that, you know, this is not something that you can just, you know, run off or discipline yourself to get rid of. You've got to address some other things. This is a behavioral, fundamental behavioral changes are the only things that will give
Starting point is 01:40:56 you long-term results with that. What you do with that is of course change your diet and exercise a lot of stuff, but if you don't change that, then you're just trying something out and you'll go back to what you were doing before, which is what statistics show most people end up doing. But you are partially right about it. Now, I'm basing my opinion off of what I see on the show. So I don't know Mike at all,
Starting point is 01:41:17 but on the show, first of all, he gets engaged to somebody, he seems like he's in love. He causes no drama on the show, which is the opposite of what he used to do. He used to be the middle of all the drama. Now there's drama and shit going on and Mike is on the side, totally sober, totally cool. He seems much more adjusted and comfortable with himself.
Starting point is 01:41:38 But I do think that there's something that he's dealing with that he hasn't fully resolved because he is now, he went from being shredded to now, he does eat a lot of food. But here's the thing. Bro, he's probably still dealing with the asshole that he was. And I mean, if he's made that kind of growth
Starting point is 01:41:56 where he's not doing that anymore, right? Like he's not in, he's probably, I mean, at least this would be me. If I was a reality star, made all this money, famous, and then I realized when I went back and watched my seasons, like, man, I'm kind of a douchebag. Well, he's in trouble with the IRS. Right, and he's got all kinds of issues, right?
Starting point is 01:42:14 So he's fucked up a million ways, he knows that. And he's got it recorded to watch it. You know, he's one of the guys, I think he was one of the guys that started trips, and he helped fund it. Yeah, he did, he did. He's really paid our, I watched that old episode where he, you know, Arvin started shreds. Let me help him. Yeah, he did. He did. Yeah, he paid our...
Starting point is 01:42:25 Because I watched that old episode where he, you know, Arvin came and they were hanging out, whatever. Oh, he did. He's pretty weird now. That's pretty weird. But, you know, here's the thing I wanted, I do want to say is, you know, health encompasses a lot of different things. And so physically, we could look at, you know, old Mike
Starting point is 01:42:41 and see that he shredded and lean and say, he's healthier there than he is now where he's overweight, but he's not. He's not. He was very unhealthy in that state. Physically he was leaning a lot of stuff, but he was what he was doing to his body, what he felt emotionally and mentally and maybe spiritually was all very, very unhealthy unhealthy. Today, what it seems again, I don't know him, but it seems like on the show is he's much,
Starting point is 01:43:03 much, much healthier in most areas. Phys is he's much, much, much healthier in most areas. Physically, he's not as healthy, he's not as lean, he's overweight, he's eating bad food, but everything else seems a lot better, and I would say overall, he is in a much better place today than he was before. So if you had to compare the two, there's no comparison.
Starting point is 01:43:18 If you watched the show at all, you would see that today, he's a much better person and much better off, and I think everybody around him who cares about him prefers him overweight, but the way he is now. And maybe that's the direction he has to go. You know, initially just to be able to get to a place where he's in a better mental state, you know, he starts caring about himself more
Starting point is 01:43:41 to where that'll hopefully like bleed into then working on the body again. But it will. My bet is that he's gonna get in. If he's a growth-minded person, it's just a natural progression. Yeah, I think you're 100% right, Justin. I think he tackled, because think about it this way. When you're tackling, he got rid of the big rocks.
Starting point is 01:43:59 Exactly. Those are the big rocks. You're right. No doubt, he's in a better place for sure. And he's holding on to this one thing which is right. And he's like, okay, this is keeping me. Which I think this is a common character that we see in life all the time.
Starting point is 01:44:11 You see this in clients, I've seen this before. And I know people that think, or they profess like how happy they are, but they're really, really, really overweight. And I know that there's still stuff that they've got to work on. It's like, or not, you know what I'm saying? It's their fucking life.
Starting point is 01:44:26 You know, and I know people too who have chosen that way. I mean, that is to fuck it. I'm going to die in 10 years. I don't care, you know what I'm saying? So it to each their own. Yeah, no, I think what's going to happen now is he's getting everything in order. Everything seems a lot better. He's not taking, doing any drugs.
Starting point is 01:44:41 He's not drinking. He's getting married. He seems happy. Again, I don't know, and personally, just just the image that is coming across on the show. And then I think he's gonna start to lose the weight in a way that's kind of, that's healthy. And when I'm heading to, I've seen this a million times
Starting point is 01:44:55 where I'll get a client who's overweight and you know, my training, especially back half of my training career, the way I train people is very different and I'd give them lots of space, give them lots of support, I'd provide them with good information, and give them good training, but I'd help them understand that it's a long process.
Starting point is 01:45:13 And I can't, you know, you know, many times I've seen this where I'll have a client who wants to lose 40 pounds, and I'll train them for four years, okay? And they'll lose five pounds over a three year period. And then all of a sudden, as if like magic at a nowhere, it clicks, the rest of the weight's gone, never comes back.
Starting point is 01:45:31 It's just like they got everything else in order, they got all the behavioral things, you know, and check, they changed the way they viewed themselves, and then the weight just kind of came off and they feel, you know, they feel amazing afterwards. That's happened many, many times. I said the back half of my career. Yeah, there's a lot of psychological things that they have to work through a, many times. I said the back half of my career. Yeah, there's a lot of psychological things
Starting point is 01:45:46 that they have to work through a lot of times. And yeah, you just being there is like sort of, you know, a guide in, for them to kind of count on for accountability is just as valuable as, you know, going through the workouts and working on their body and nutrition. So sometimes, do you think we're ever gonna be able to look, do you think we're gonna be able to discuss food as being like a drug?
Starting point is 01:46:07 Do you think people ever look at it like that? I mean, we really haven't had it this accessible or through most ever. So we're only really dealing with this in the last hundred years, right? We can start to actually like identify them and like categorize them as such as potentials. Nobody wants to talk about the addictive properties of say sugar or some of these other hyper-palatable foods and processed foods. There's just fights on corals amongst everybody. I'll debate anybody. I forget the macro nutrients and picking out an evil one. Here's the bottom line. First of all, anything can be a drug So anything that we derive pleasure from, we can abuse,
Starting point is 01:46:47 including sex gambling, of course drugs. Right, right. That's what I mean. So why can't we, why don't we speak to food the same way? I think we should. I think sometimes it's push back, because then people will say, it's not my fault, it's a disease.
Starting point is 01:46:59 And then, okay, and all that stuff. So that becomes a problem. Well, sticky because it's also sustenance. Yeah, and you can't go cold turkeys. And you can't quit food.enance, you know, it's essential. Yeah, you don't go cold turkeys. Like you can't quit food. Like I know, you know, I used to eat all the time, but I haven't eaten now for five years because I quit at all.
Starting point is 01:47:11 Like you can't do that with food. And food is, it is so ingrained in our, in our culture, that we don't, we don't quite, we can't really quite grasp, you know, it's importance in everything that we do. There are specific foods for breakfast, there's specific foods for lunch and dinner, the specific foods for different celebrations.
Starting point is 01:47:30 There's different ways that we eat food. There's an order that we eat food. There's manners when we eat food. It's the number one way we meet and communicate with people. If you go on a date, what do you tend to do? Tend to go eat food. When you go hang out with people, what do you tend to do?
Starting point is 01:47:44 Tend to go eat food. It is, hang out with people, what do you tend to do? You tend to go eat food. It is, so there are cultures with their own cultures of food. You know, we know what a tie-in food looks like. We know what Mexican food looks like. We know the cultures around the food with those different cultures. It's so ingrained in who we are as humans that it makes it the, it's obviously why it's-
Starting point is 01:48:02 I don't think we have to ever worry or lose any of that stuff. It's the Since we've been able to make it. Yeah, you know, say make all this artificial stuff put in a wrap or store it for years And it be still fine like that it's and this surge of fast food restaurants and then food being delivered to your couch like That's where I like it wasn't we you know at that time I you know just 50 years ago, you couldn't access it fast as that fast. It just was, you know, to over-consume then, compared to now, and then also a cheap, like,
Starting point is 01:48:36 talk about this, I always feel for clients, I used to feel for clients all the time that we talk about, you know, how cheap it is to eat shitty. You know what I'm saying? You could live off of McDonald's from a calorie perspective, very reasonably cheap in comparison to eating. Well calories isn't even the issue. It used to be the issue for most human civilizations.
Starting point is 01:48:55 Get them enough calories. Now that's not the issue. Calories are cheap and they're easy. But it's a big problem. And look, I tell you what, it's humans have been making food more palatable since the first time we cooked food. Like, you know, we would cook it a particular way
Starting point is 01:49:12 and then we learned to add particular seasonings to it. That's like, that's really a prehistoric and not a primitive way of processing. No, of course. You know, like, who eats a steak with nothing on it now? At the absolute most basic, we'll put salt salt maybe pepper on it Well, that's a way to make it more palatable and so we've been doing this for a long fucking time to the point now where
Starting point is 01:49:32 Recipes for foods are so complex. It's hilarious Even homemade foods go make something homemade from scratch. It's like a side It's like you got to follow step-by-step and measurements or somebody figured that out at some point It's like you got to follow step by step and measurements or somebody figured that out at some point So a lot of thought is gone. It's my point with all this is so integrated into a into our lifestyles Yeah, that we take it for granted and changing how you eat is a lot harder or at least a lot more complex than just saying I got to follow this diet so I can get in shape or whatever like you know Just appreciate that the challenge how weird and strange would life be if like it was all like intravenous.
Starting point is 01:50:08 Like, you know, like you ate just like it, you didn't taste anything, you know, you didn't eat anything, you just like all your nutrients came intravenously. You know, there's certain religions that or like beliefs where they eat super bland foods or particular foods because they don't believe in stimulating any of the pleasure systems of the body. So they'll eat super bland foods. No sex, no music, because they believe it purifies the body or whatever, isn't that funny?
Starting point is 01:50:36 Oh my God. But I mean, that just goes to show that they can wait till they die to do something better. Yeah, I have no idea. Yay. Well, I mean, it sounds, well, think about all this, think about what you learn about yourself when you fast for a couple of days from food.
Starting point is 01:50:49 Yeah, I mean, you can, you learn how awesome it was before that. Yeah, I mean, excellent. Now, I think when this episode drops, we have what one day left, final day for Maps Performance 50% off. So that's it. After this, you can forget about it.
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