Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 856: Eating Healthy on a Budget, Fasted Cardio vs Fasted Weightlifting, How to Train a Person with Thyroid Issues & MORE & MORE

Episode Date: September 12, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how train to a powerlifter, fasted cardio vs fasted weightlifting, properly train a person with thyroid problems and good strategies to implement for someone on a lower income that still wants to eat quality ingredients. Will that Mind Pump calendar be coming out soon? Mind Pump Media is getting some work done. (4:22) The resurrection juice! How Justin uses the Organifi red juice for that extra burst of energy. (6:35) The proper way to protest? In-N-Out Burger Donates $25K To California Republican Party, Dems Call For Boycott. (10:30) Why you shouldn’t telegraph your punch. Mychal Kendricks is Facing Federal Charges for Insider Trading. (11:52) Why being insta-famous does not guarantee a successful business model. (15:45) The dangers of quick money and knowing your limits. (17:20) The way children are marketed to and how they consume information. The powerful new Mr. Rogers documentary, Won’t You Be My Neighbor? (21:18) Trump vs. Google: Old Media vs. New Media. (28:15) The benefits of Health IQ and Justin got what letter from Kaiser??!! (32:30) The differences in the way men operate vs. women. (34:15) #Quah question #1 – If you were to train a powerlifter, how would you do it? (36:39) #Quah question #2 – Fasted cardio vs fasted weightlifting, which is better and why? (46:14) #Quah question #3 – How do you properly train a person with thyroid problems? (55:05) #Quah question #4 – What are some good strategies to implement for someone on a lower income that still wants to eat quality ingredients? (1:00:17) People Mentioned: Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee)  Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Christina Rice, NTP (@christinaricewellness)  Instagram Dr. Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc) Instagram Dr. Ben Pollack (@phdeadlift)  Instagram Robert Oberst (@robertoberst)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Andy Galpin (@drandygalpin)  Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: Organifi  **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Health IQ In-N-Out Burger Donates $25K To California Republican Party, Dems Call For Boycott Mychal Kendricks Insider Trading Case Explained Won't You Be My Neighbor? May 1, 1969: Fred Rogers testifies before the Senate Subcommittee on Communications The media-bias chart that led to Trump’s threat to regulate Google MAPS Strong **Code “Strong30” at checkout for $30 off** MAPS Fitness Products Westside Barbell RHR: The Myth of Adrenal Fatigue - Chris Kresser Thrive Market **Free 1 month membership, $20 off first 3 orders of $49 or more Plus free shipping Butcher Box **FREE Bacon, 2 Ribeyes, $10 Off + Free Shipping on Your First Order!** Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com.   Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump for the first 33 minutes, we get into our introductory conversation. We talk about the Mind Pump photo shoot. Look forward to that new calendar, ladies. We're gonna need a lot of Photoshop Just kidding demand is high. We talk about Justin's res erection juice

It's organifi red juice. He had it pre workout actually gave him a good pump We are sponsored by our gamify if you go to organifi.com forstash mind pump and enter the code We are sponsored by our Organifi. If you go to Organifi.com, forward slash MindPump and enter the code, MindPump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talk about the NFL player who got busted for insider trading. What an idiot.

He got all the answers correct. That's not what you're supposed to do with your cheat. You idiot. Then we talk about the dangers of quick money, the Mr. Rogers documentary. Gotta watch this. Marketing to kids. We'll get my neighbor.

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How you guys feeling right now? That's a lot of lifting. Yeah. Photo shoots are deceiving, and I'm not gonna lie We're getting older. We might have to get some fake weights I might get some fake weights That's the day cuz I'd take what even 135 you lift it up enough times pull you get fuck it tired Well, especially because a photographer's like hold it. Yeah, hold it. Yeah, it's all the isometric stuff Right, I noticed that and you're trying not to look stupid with your face and you're trying to do all, you know,

but we should tell our audience. It's really hard for you. We should tell our audience what's going on right now. Like we're in the middle of, you know, getting a face lift, right? Not us literally, but our brand, and we've been waiting for this for some time. We're in our tits, it's been a while since we've

shared with the audience kind of the behind the scenes stuff with Mind Pump and the growth of Mind Pump. And this is kind of, I remember when we first started doing this and I brought Taylor on board and Taylor was just had such a hard time with the website. He was so frustrated with it because he felt like it wasn't a representation of the brand and didn't want this look and I kept him disagree with him at all. Right, right. And I remember you were the same way too at the beginning and you know, I had to get you guys to calm the fuck down for a minute because yeah, there's other parts of the business That we're far more important at that time and that part of that is providing incredible content for you guys for free

And at a pace that most of you can't even consume it at and then we come back and we address the website So we're here now. It's exciting to yes Clean it up and we'll circle and they wanted a bunch of photos of us doing all kinds of shit. We did exercises, then we did a bunch of posing photos and photos together, and then they're super awkward. Like they make you stand together. They're like, all right, now have fun. Yeah.

Do something with your hands. Don't look so tense. I'm like, okay, okay. I'm having fun. Like it's really weird, and then Justin Farts and everybody laughs and it's perfect. Adam tickles you in a weird place and then we get the best the best absolute photo But then it's exhausting because you're lifting the whole time posing for these photos not realizing that that is a very difficult Exhaust of part and then at the end he's like all right now you guys can actually just work out like just do your normal workout

And I'm like this is not I'm Ied. Justin literally was laying down on the ground, did not want to do anything. So I brought him a little free workout. Did I've been depleted this whole competition, man? What was that? What was that you guys even know? What concoction did you make? I just gave him the Red Juice.

Yeah, the Resurrection Juice, as I call it. The Resurrection Juice. Just dump it all over him. I thought you called it the Airection Juice for a day. I rise again. I didn't think it was red. I couldn't see what it was.urrection juice. Just dump it all over him. I thought you called it the erection. The third day. I rise again. Oh, I didn't think it was red. I couldn't see what it was. It worked.

It did. It got you picked up. It actually got me. Yeah, I got me going. It's the beat juice and the rodeo. rodeo only gives people a good feeling. A lot of people are good feeling. Yeah.

I don't necessarily spawn well to it, but I know you and Doug like rodeo a lot. I do. I do respond well with that. And also did the beet juice, like so I've read the same studies, you've read with beet juice and like, how that is like a great natural source, you know,

for this type of energy and almost like a pre-workout effect. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It's actually the most effective metric oxide booster that you can find. Like forget citrally and an argonite. It comes from nature. Yeah, beets. Is that from nature. Yeah, beats. Is that true?

Is it, is it better than Citroën and Argonine? Is it? I mean, everybody rancid like a standard, right? Right, that's like the big, you know, in the pre-workout world, everyone's debating over who has more Citroën or Argonine inside their pre-workout. No, pre-workout.

Actually, beat juice will show real performance increases in benefits. Citroën is a way. So what is Argonine doesn't show real performance increases and benefits. Citroëlean is a way. So what is the Argonnein doesn't show any? So is really, so is that because, is it just because the stupid tingly feeling that that's why it's not your thinking beta-alonine? Oh, you're right, beta-alonine's on the making.

No, beta-alonine's legit for stamina. That's legit, we'll give you a couple more. So then what's the purpose of the citrolean? I know that. So Citroële, so Argonine is a precursor to nitric oxide. So the theory is if you eat a bunch of argonine, then your body will produce more nitric oxide. Which is still just a theory, right?

Well, it works if you take it intravenously, but if you consume it in your mouth, like most people take it. I was gonna say, if you regularly do this or it. Yeah, you can do the Ben Greenfield way. Again, why I say it's still considered a theory, right? It's just something that we have not proven

actually will literally. Well, studies have shown it doesn't do anything. So when you eat it, your body degrades it and it doesn't work. Citralline doesn't get degraded like argonine and citralline gets turned into argonine by the body which then boosts nitric oxide. So citralline actually boosts nitric oxide

and they can measure it, whereas Argonine doesn't. But beat juice does all of that plus it has studies that show actual performance benefits, especially with a lot of athletes' rave about it. Oh, it's like I said, it's one of the few supplements that, you know, and it's why, now why isn't like this big, it's becoming a big thing, but why isn't not as popular in the muscle building world? Cause it's a food maybe, I don't know, cause you can go buy beats. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Simple as that. But I didn't know that it rivaled, I didn't know it rivaled that. For a pump, it's one of the best things you could. I mean, I've taken it, I mean, I do the Christmas blend, that's what we started, we started that a long time ago. Red and green?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just make some together. I like that, yeah. I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, no. I mean, it takes good by itself. What I like about it too is it gives me this little boost of energy, but it doesn't feel like I'm on hyped up on a bunch of caffeine.

It's not as stimulant. Right. So if you're somebody who was looking for a little bit of energy, but then you also don't like the way you feel when you're on a bunch of caffeine, like this is a really good option. That would be, that's what I typically, if people ask me what should they take pre-workout, what I typically recommend is either coffee, or caffeine, or something that contains caffeine

and the organified red juice. I found that to be the smoothest, nicest type of a... Did you guys see how many bottles Brett smugled on his head? Yeah, I had a whole lot of, whole lot of joke. What do you do? I gave him the green light and I was like, oh, he took it full advantage of that. He's taking a bunch of supplements Yeah, he must have took like three and a half I did everything. I told him I said well work and if I send this a pretty nice shipment every single month

I said go for it man. I'm gonna use it use it send him an invoice Yeah, the next when we pay our marketing team next will there'll be a subtraction on there minus $450. These supplements. What? Dude, did you guys see in the news about, what's it called? The best burger place in California.

What is it? In and out. No. You guys didn't see what's going on? Oh, because they made a donation to the GOP. Yeah, did you see that? No, I saw. I just saw the headline, it read it.

So apparently the, you know, in and out burger, the company or whatever donated $25,000, which is chump change for in and out to the Republican party, right? So they wrote a check to the California and Republican party for $25,000, and it was a, you know, public filing. They have to put it out in public, and some people can find it.

So now you've got all these people. Democrats are up in arms. Yeah, yeah, all these people who are boycotting in and out for doing that. Cause they're like, fuck you support Trump, fuck you, we're not gonna eat anyone. You know, I like it.

Well, and it now it's conservative, you know that. Yeah, there aren't they are Christian, oh. Yeah, yeah. But I think there's like Bible verse on it. Yeah, I know, all the bottom of all their stuff. You know what? This is what I like about. This is the way you should protest.

If I, even if I disagree with you, I don't care. You can take your money. Yeah. And you know what'll happen? It makes sense. If enough people do this, then companies will think twice about putting their money in and trying to donate. Right, right.

I like that. I like that people do it that way. I hate the other way people do it where they, you know, they try to interrupt business by protesting on their property. Did you guys see the line, I'm sure you didn't, because you don't follow probably any sports stuff, but there's a line back in the NFL Kendrick,

except forget his first name. He, Johnny. Oh, I'm not sure. It was worth the shot. Good guess. He got busted for insider trading. Guy, guys never traded stocks before. What was he trading?

So you guys never traded stocks before? Where's he playing for? Who he plays for? He plays for the football week. Yeah, he's. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. With the captain, I'll find the article and then I'll share it with you. I read it earlier this morning, but he opens up an account

with like 80, 80,000 in it and he buys four stocks. All four stocks go to like 1.5 million. He hits a home run, unlike every one of them. You've never, you've never traded before. You're an NFL player. Come on man. You open up with 80,000. All four stocks you buy go fuck you, ape shit

and you make fucking millions of dollars. Well, dollars say you're not supposed to telegraph your punch Yeah, dude Tell you what were the do you know what the stocks were? Or I mean the article talked about it, but that doesn't matter. Why does that matter? Well, it would be interesting to see where you would get that information I mean you're an NFL player. You're around all kinds of big and that's what we see and so this is really popular right now If you don't know this I mentioned this before a little bit on the podcast when we are talking about the warriors and Kevin Durant coming over. So one of the new moves that, and it's not like brand new, it's relatively new, that's

becoming popular to attract players to your city, is to, hey, it's not just about the NFL or the NBA contract you get, but these agents are also lining you up with real business. Real business. And it's smart. It's a very smart, from a professional standpoint, it's really, really smart for the athlete to not put all his eggs in one basket and be like, it's all about my career because I blow my knee up, but how cool is that?

You come over to Silicon Valley, you start with the warriors. And you know, so exciting trend because I've always wanted athletes to, you know, think bigger about, you know, because their careers are so short, you know, and to, you know, having policies within, like, the NFL, the NBA, whatever, are great, but like, it's really up to the individual to, you know, get smarter about how they invest their money. Oh, the stats are ridiculous on how many of them go, bro. Oh, well, the difference between earning your money in a way where you're, let's say, an entrepreneur

versus earning it playing sports. It's different in the sense that you're really good at sports. Well, they're closer to people who win the lottery. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of hard work. Right. Yeah, now that's a take anything from their athletic ability, but when you get that flux of money,

when you're a college person and you get a college kid and you get no money, then also you get a contract from millions of dollars, there's something to be said. It's unlimited. I mean, and I say this even in the current business that we're in right now, like I would have never wanted our business to grow faster than it did. And that sounds stupid, right?

If someone was listening, like, that sounds really stupid. Why wouldn't you want your, because, because it's scaled just right. It's a structure, isn't it? Yeah, it's allowed us to be able to scale up a little bit, then take those funds, reinvest in the business, learn strategies, make mistakes, learn from those mistakes, have to budget, have to be smart. Well, that's just it, is that you're, when you do well at a sport and you get paid for that, that doesn't mean you have any skill with money.

So now you've got all this money and you don't know how to keep it. A lot of people don't realize this. And I know this because I have my family and investment bakers, they work with, you know, millionaires on investments. And they tell me that one of the hardest things to do besides making the money is how to keep it.

Yeah, that's a very, very difficult thing to do. And if you don't believe me, look, I can list off, I can rattle off a bunch of celebrities and athletes who at some point were worth 10, 15, 20, 30 million dollars or more now are bankrupt. There's artists and musicians like that. So I believe we're going to see this. I think we're at the beginning of it. And I know I just recently, not that long

ago on a podcast, went on a rant about these Instagram celebrities that blow up and they have businesses where they're making $600,000 to $1,000,000 a year and these kids are worshiping them. I might, these fuckers don't know how to run a business. They're having quick, instant fame that's being able to convert into quick money because they sell t-shirts or they sell supplements, they do something gimmicky, and it's not a legitimate business model, and eventually that shit comes out from underneath you, and hopefully, they were smart and invested

their money in other places. Some of them might be doing that, but I bet you a big majority of them are reinvesting in Ferraris and Lamborghinis and the fucking highlights. Interesting is the only parachute or the only thing thing I see like any business people coming in and Kind of showing them is like the creation of these mastermind groups and these these sort of like yeah these other extensions of bubble How yeah, so there but that literally is the only strategy I see that is like an extension of them just getting advertisement money for

Showing their ass. If this guy did do insider training, he's an idiot because if he did do it, he's a clown because he did, he's busted. He for sure they caught him. Yeah, busted. Like, where did you learn how to cheat? Like everybody in elementary school understands that if you have the answers to the test,

you purposely miss question. No, exactly. I never go 100%. Yeah, you get 10 stocks and you make six of them and you invest a little bit of money And you let them do whatever then you pick the four winners like but or you pick one winner and you pick a bunch of losers Yeah, because it's so obvious, you know, yeah But you know what it reminds me of is you know, I had friends. I had some real close friends who Got into the like the home loan business, the finance business for during the,

when that housing market was exploding, especially in the Bay Area, before the 2008 crash, I knew guys that were sales counselors in gyms or sales managers in gyms, decent sales guys, they weren't the best. Most of them were good C and B players. They could sell, they knew how to close,

but they weren't like, great, whatever. They went into this market where it was the fucking wild west, and these guys were making $50,607,000 a year, and just buying expensive cars, blowing it on parties, blowing it on drugs, blowing it on whatever. And then after 2008, like one of my buddies went from making $750,000 a year, no joke.

To the following year after 2008, barely made $750,000 a year, no joke. To the following year, after 2008, barely made $65,000. That's how big of a cut that happened to him when the market went down, but he was so ill-prepared. A change of lifestyle, that must've been voted. He was so ill-prepared. I had buddies that lost five, six houses.

That's rough. Yeah, yeah, it lost everything. And he went into the deep depression as a result of it. And it's really crazy. Quick, rough. Yeah, yeah. It lost everything and it went into the deep depression as a result of it. And it's really crazy. Quick, quick money is dangerous, man. Quick money is really dangerous. And it's funny that way. And I mean, it's also I constantly have to remind myself that on the journey that we're currently on even ourselves. That's like, you know, there's good parts of it being hard and aggrined and having setbacks and struggles because that's the learning curve

that I think everybody has to go to. You get all this flux of money, I don't know where. I mean, again, I remember when we first started and saying like, how many people that have a business right now and say it's successful, say you run a nice little business and you make a little bit of money for yourself. And I said, hey, I wanna give you $10 million because I like you and I like your business so much.

How many people would really know how to spend that $10 million to make sure they make $20 or $30 million? There wouldn't know what to do with it. Most people wouldn't, let's be honest. No, there would have been no idea what to do. I mean, I feel okay with saying that I didn't. Where were we at?

I mean, a lot of the things that we have done have kind of unfolded, you know, as we've continued to grow and learn and to push different avenues of business, there's been a lot of things that we looked at and thought, oh, this was the direction we wanna go and then find out, oh, that's not that important. And then other areas that we probably put up,

we post-poned longer than we should have. Like, we talk about the YouTube channel a lot of the times. Like, you know, that was a learning lesson for us. I mean, we could have been, I was just listening to a great, I sent you, you guys listen to Gary Vee. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.

Was that great or was? I was talking about that. I mean, I thought that was really, really cool. You know, and we've made mistakes like that within the business that you think is a good idea and you'll find out later on it's not, but. No, my goal is to, you know, as things grow, my goal is to put myself in a position

where in five to 10 years, I don't have to work. Not that I don't wanna work, cause I'll probably never stop working. It gives me purposely. Is that financial freedom? Yeah, to the point where, and not like millions of dollars, but enough to where, okay, if I wanted to,

you're good. Yeah, if I really, really wanted to, I could stop everything, and I'm making this income from my investments. Now, what does that require? Well, it requires that you don't live beyond your means. That's all it means. It just means you're making tons of money.

Well, you leave a little bit better than you are, but really look and examine your life. And the reality is, like, I know me, right? I know how much more I'll elevate my living standards. And I know where the limit is. And there really is a limit for me. I could make billions of dollars and I would never live above a certain limit. Not because I think it's wrong or whatever.

I just don't see a lot of value in it. Figure that out for yourself, figure what that is, make it realistic, and everything beyond that, take that money and figure out ways to set yourself up so you don't have to work later on. You've got to watch. And by, I cannot believe that I waited this long to share this on the podcast because I wanted to go see it.

I finally watched it when I went on Apple is the Mr. Rogers documentary. Oh. Dude, so fucking good on another level. Really? I recommend everybody watch it. I watched him as a kid. I did not know half of who he really was and what his mission was and what he was doing about him. I thought

he was a Navy SEAL. So they talk about it in the documentary. I thought the same thing. They talk about it. He was actually a minister. But the story is fucking awesome. And one of the things he touches on and he talks about, because he started in 1968, was his concern for this new medium, television. And it reminds me of kind of what we're seeing going on with Instagram and the fear of your kids. Yeah, the kid and what he saw was how it is an incredible tool to learn from and to teach others. And he saw the way it was being used and he feared for children. And because he saw the commercials and the cartoons

and the type of... The content. And one of the things that he addresses, and you think, now I think today where we are, and think, wow, how different it was probably in the 60s and 70s and how we are is consumed and he touches on this like they were they were training kids to be consumers at such a young age. Sure.

And at a level they weren't they would never be advertising the kids weren't picking up magazines and watch and getting advertisement that way. You know I'm saying they're not driving and looking at billboards or anything like that. So the advertising wasn't geared towards children really at that point. It really started to ramp up when television came up because you had cartoons and kids watching TV. And then outcomes like all these

sugar cereal commercials. Yes. Crackhead, buh-h-h-h-h. You know, it's funny before you were able to to cancel. Before you could record your TV shows and fast forward commercials and stuff like that. And if you paid attention to the commercials

on kids' TV shows, there wouldn't be a single product, maybe one out of a hundred that you would think would be good for your kid. No joke. It's 99% terrible, terrible shitty food. Garbage. Garbage food for your kids, like 99% of it. You watch and you're just like,

this is, you're balanced breakfast. And so what happens is if you're a parent, and look, the responsibility falls on the parent, okay, it just does, it's the way it is. But if you're a parent and your kid is on media all the time,

believe it or not, you are competing with that media over the influence of your child. Oh, you hear it right away, like even a toy commercial, whatever comes on. Immediately, they both turn to me, I want that dad. You know, I want that for Christmas, I want it. They're already like making mental notes.

They got sold so easily on that commercial. I was like, whoa, that is powerful. It is, and thing that didn't exist that long ago. You know, and you think about, and so, and I think the point he makes, and I think he was right, when you think about us now as adults, we really are, the keeping up with the Joneses and this living beyond our means,

and we're such a consumer society now, that we probably weren't really like that 60 plus years ago. Yeah, you know, not like we are now where the credit cards are and we run dead up like crazy. And brands like mean everything. Yeah. As usual, it's, you know, something good, humans can always, there's always a,

can be a bad side of it. And the good side of it is that we have, we've created a system in a society that we now have the means to be able to do that, which is a good thing. The bad part about it is because we've raised in this culture of consumerism that we place purpose and value on things, and that's the mistake. So it's okay to buy things.

It's okay to have the means for all these things. That's wonderful. I mean, less people starve today, more people have houses, more people have central heating and cars, and it's just, it's a lot more people have clothes, it's just a lot better today than it was, you know, 50 or 100 or 200, especially 200 years ago. However, one of the side effects of that is we have now started to worship and value things instead of things that actually give us purpose. And so what you end up with is a bunch of people, a whole generation that is raised and grown up without real hardships, without lots of the

classical hardships I should say, because there's always hardships, but that the classical ones like, oh my god, do we have a place to live? Oh my god, we don't have food. I need to hunt like, they're not a problem. Yeah, not really a problem, but they're raised in the society where it's like, I want more things and they seek and search for purpose and things and you'll never find it. You'll never find it and things and then you end up getting anxious and depressed and whatever.

And that becomes kind of the problem. But the very thing that causes, or the very thing that communicates that, which is media, is the very thing that can counter it. And that's the thing I love about media so much especially new media is that you you can put out counter like a lot like yes and no but that's then you get scared and then you get it's gets a little scary sometimes too and I didn't know I didn't know this but so he ran for like five years or so like just ratings exploding everyone loves him he's like super famous and that. But it was it was publicly it was funded by the government.

Yep. PBS. Yes. And then and we had a conservative president at the time. Well, it comes Nixon afterwards. And Nixon wants to abolish it. Sure. So here's actually and you can do you can lose this up on YouTube. You can actually watch Mr. Rogers speak in front of Congress. Incredible. Fucking and it's in the documentary. Yeah. But if you just wanna watch that, YouTube, you know, Mr. Rogers in front of Congress, fighting for the funding, and it's fucking really cool. Does he win or what? He does, and it's cool how he wins.

And here's the thing, like, you know, when it comes to that, that, you know, exactly what you're talking about, like, I mean, yes, they funded his programs, government also funded a lot of other stuff that told us eating a particular way was healthy when it wasn't or you should do this, it's good for you when it really isn't. So I don't necessarily trust any of that,

but back then, and actually up until not that long ago, bandwidth was very limited. And so when it came to TV, it was the barrier to get on TV was so high. Even in 1968, it was so difficult and so high You need a lot of money. You need a lot of connections Today the barrier to get a video or information online is super low super super low Yeah, you say that mr. Rogers, so don't you don't you fear though?

Like what we see going on with Alex Jones and things like that where people are getting pulled off their medium and people are Sensoring them well, but he still has his own website. He does right now. He does right now. But I mean, you gotta think that that's- Don't let anybody control that, that's just it. Right, that is the little scary part about that. That is like, yes, I agree with you that we do live in a very cool time where, you know,

if bad stuff comes out or shitty information, you can counter that by starting your own YouTube channel and pushing it out there. But, you know, then you start to see these extreme examples of like the Alcs Jones and stuff that get pulled, and it makes me kind of wonder, like, you saw what's going on with Trump, and Trump's got some issue going on right now with Google. Did you see that? Oh, yeah, look that up, Doug. Google that, Trump battling Google right now. And I just saw this on the news, I think yesterday or the day before, and battling Google right now. I just saw this on the news. I think yesterday or the day before and they're saying that they're filtering some of his stuff, like so that when you Google him only like all the negative stuff does. So he's in a battle with them right now. I haven't

had a chance to dive in deeper. I thought maybe you had seen it sell. I thought for sure. No. No. No. I mean, Google's a private company. Yeah, again, the same thing. They can do that. You know, here's a deal. Let's say that Google and Facebook, all of a sudden are like, screw, not that they would do this, but let's just say they did and they're like,

screw this particular political party side. Let's say they say screw liberals or screw conservatives. We're not showing conservatives anymore. Conservatives can go make their own. Somebody would make a conservative channel, and you'd have enough people to come over and make it. It just creates a new market. You just got to kind of wait it out and see what happens.

But it is very... I mean, isn't it, sure how, either. I don't know who came first. Fox and CNN happened, right? I'm sure one happened, and then one was... CNN was first. Right, CNN happened, and then Fox was probably a response to that. And Fox gets more, better, more viewers, I think,

than all the other ones. I think even combined. Oh, I think it's the highest rated. Oh, yeah, 24 hour news in terms of viewership. Unless you're Joe Rogan. In Joe Rogan, more views and listens in all of them. That's just it, man. I love it.

Hey, look, man, anytime, I mean, what makes humans special, you know, people think, oh, we're so intelligent. Well, on your own, you're people think, oh we're so intelligent. Well, well on your own you're not really that special. What makes humans intelligent is our ability to stand on the shoulders of people before us. And that came from compounding effect. That all started really that really exploded when somebody came up with the abstract, the truly abstract and strange idea of being able to create symbols that represent sounds and you combine those symbols to make words and those words mean things. A very

fucking radical abstract thought, if you really think about it, wasn't pictures like here's an elephant, it was like this symbol is the sound or whatever and they wrote things out and now you can record things. And now I make discoveries. I record them. I teach people they record theirs. We die and the new person is born and guess what? They don't start from scratch. They read what I wrote and then they create a role.

You know all that came from aliens, all right? Probably. But our ability to know Naki, our ability to communicate, share information and record information is directly related toward the speed at which we progress. And we are progressing fat. And I don't know what the destination is. This is the problem.

The destination may be self-destruction. It may be enlightenment, who knows. But we're heading there much fucking faster today with new media than ever before. And that's fucking exciting. It is, it's crazy. Like, I use us as an example all the time. Our show would not be possible today, if it wasn't for, if we were an old media,

if this were 20 years ago, all of us would have got together and done what, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. We would have wrote a book that's, maybe we could sell in the back of, you know, muscle and fitness. We may have had to like tour, you know, and get in front of people like one on one, like that would have been quite the hustle we would have in it.

Oh, it never worked. Yeah, it would have happened. We would own a gym. Not in this stage in life. No, no, like that would have been quite the hustle. We would have never worked. Yeah, it would happen. We would own a gym. Not in this stage in life. We'd be gym owners. Yeah, we would. But I also really cool gym. I also think that's part of that was part of the brilliance was, I mean, I saw as

much as we saw the need in the fitness industry, you know, also saw where the medium was going. I'm talking about Mr. Rogers today. Yeah, you got gotta look ahead. You know, he saw this, he saw right away this television thing that lots of people were just consuming and he saw it as a tool, which is that's how I felt I looked at podcasting. I saw podcasting and people doing it and listening to it and how easy it was to get involved in it and how easy it was to share it and down it. Dude, way more convenient than radio.

Like, come on man, I remember I would get into shows from radio and you'd have to listen for specific things like on a Friday, like between this and this, and then I got my class schedule interrupted that, and then I stopped listening, so inconvenient. I love that show. Yeah, exactly.

And I also have to mention one of our other sponsors I want to make sure before I forget if you're listening right now and you'll die at some point Which is all statistically, you know if you're gonna die I would have health IQ likes us scaring people into contracts contracts. I don't think you're gonna get the gangster move. Health IQ is life insurance and it's designed for fit and healthy people. So you go on their website, you get a free quote, but they they're it's designed for people who are fit and healthy. So it's you guys, which is great. If you're it will be it. I'll tell you why this is great too. As a man, you know, I weigh 200 pounds and I'm about six foot. That puts me on the heavier side of the B,

what is the BMR or whatever, the BMI, yeah, BMI, excuse me, yeah. But I'm lean, I'm obviously lean, but if you don't know that, I may get a higher. Yeah, I'm considered obese when I do this. Oh, dude, regular doctor. I told you what happened to me, right? Like I went into one of those,

I wanted to get a checkup from Kaiser and they assessed everything. The doctor didn't even look at me, right? And basically, like, you know, got a BMI score that was really high. It was like obese. And so I get a letter from their clinic downstairs, you know, for their obesity clinic,

saying that like, hey, I understand, you know, you have to do something. Yeah, and it was like giving me some kind of trial offer to like go. Oh, you should have taken a picture of that, dude. Oh my god, I do. I still have it. Well, it's how and I have been meaning to talk to you. Yeah. Come on, man.

This is a bad example. That's when it was accurate. It's actually. Yeah. Yeah. Open up a candle. That way. Oh, Can I tell you now I qualify for you? Now I qualify for our sponsors.

Yeah, there you go. No, health IQs life, it's good price level. Did I tell you this last night I was hanging out with Jessica and Christina Rice. And we were all talking about the show and they're like, you guys pick on Justin too much but it's wait on the show, like shut up. Oh.

Come on. You know, I love Christina but come on, man. That's funny, did I? Yeah, I was, I say bring it more. I feel like I haven't care. Come on. You know, I love Christina. But come on man. That's funny. Yeah. I say bring it more. I feel like I haven't had any fat jokes. In fact, I feel like you begin jabs about the ball thing way more than you. I feel like I'm on the hot sea floor.

Well, I tried to explain to Jessica and Christina. We push in that direction. I tried to explain to them how guys operate. Because girls just don't typically operate this way. This is what guys do We don't make you fun of each other with shit that doesn't exist like girls do we make fun of real things about each other Like make clear your voice all the time all the time all the and I appreciate it And it's like I just constantly I can't help myself

And here's the thing if I show that a bothers me at all Oh, it's coming. More, more, more is coming. It gets a lot worse. So anyway, I'll try to break that down for them. Like, no, no, no, please don't say that to Justin or don't, don't tell me that. I'm gonna do it. What are you doing? Exactly. Well, we talked about this before that. I mean, didn't we debate this or or least speculate on this that it was something that's just it's just innate in men as this survival of the fittest type of thing. We're it's that's each other. Yeah, like it's like we're like going to war if we're you know,

thousands of years back and I'm picking my team of guys that's going out. You're not going to pick the guys as feelings. No, no, yeah. It's a four short. It's a four of us in this room and I insult all of you and the guy who buckles and fucking cries It's like you stay with the chicks and you fucking gather because the three of us are gonna go hunting like you're not watching my back Here we go. Yeah, you're invited. Yeah You're not with it when the fucking tiger jumps out you're gonna do one of the screams and runs the other Trish first you eat your crying cuz I call you bucktooth Yeah, what's gonna? What are you gonna do in the woolly mammoth fucking stampede against us? You're gonna cry. You stay home

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Yeah. Next question, Doug. How can we do that one episode? Just fuck with everybody. Yes. One short, like one sit and sancer. It is within my capability. Can mine pump answer the questions with one sit.

Yeah. You know, when you're training strength athletes, the how about strong? Yeah, well, map, here's the deal. Powerlifting, competing and powerlifting is very specific, right? They compete in three core lifts, right? Benchpress, deadlift and squat. So idea, of course, the goal is to get as sharp

in the hell out of those lifts. As possible at those lifts. And then on top of it, you wanna train all the support structures of the body for those lifts. All the things, so technique is, I think for powerlifters, technique is number one. It's even more important than strength because poor technique with good strength

is results in injury. So technique would be number one. Then you're focusing obviously strength on the core lifts and then you're strengthening all the stabilizer muscles to prevent injury from happening. But when it comes to strength sports, especially one like powerlifting, it's very specific. You know what I mean?

You're very specific with how you apply. Have you guys ever followed like a straight powerlifting routine with percentages of weight? I definitely want to use this in opportunity to share with our audience two of our really good friends that are tied to us that do this, that I think we have a lot of respect for, and I think you should follow if you don't follow

on Instagram already, which has been Pollock, and then also Jordan Shallow. So, Dr. Jordan Shallow, and now, by the way, Dr. Ben Pollock now he finishes his Yeah, so he's why they got to be strong and smart. I don't like that's why they're bad But then can they see that's why mine put flux with them too though That's what you know I'm saying like because there's a lot of there's a lot of power lifters out there that are strong As fucked because they have great genetics and they lift hell a heavy weight

But then they don't know what the fuck they're doing you You're talking about two of the smartest guys in this, in this little world. I highly recommend that. And they have programs. They both, in fact, we've discussed doing stuff with them in the future and creating something similar to this. And maybe that is something that we do. I know they currently have great stuff right now, but you should definitely be following them on Instagram.

But you're right. I mean, you're going to be focusing on the main lifts, and then you have anything that supports that. And then the one thing too that power with us is a little unique too, is like you address like sticking points of a lift. I was just going to talk about that, yeah, with, and so they look into that with using bands

or variable resistance to really then address some of these sticking points in the lift. So you can then address some of these sticking points in the lift. So you can actually segment some of these gross motor movements and really isolate and figure out where the sticking points lie. And let's get better from that position. Let's start from that position. Let's end from that position.

Let's get the response we want from that position. Yeah. So an example of that would be, let's say you're sticking point at your squat is at the bottom, then something you may do is squat down, pause at the bottom for two or three seconds, and then come up, or maybe do a box squat where you're starting from without loading with the negative. Or let's say you have problem with lockout with your deadlift, then you could use chains to where, as you lift the weight, the weight gets successively heavier. And you're lifting for a thought.

It's basically where it's hard. You understand where in that lift is the hardest for you to grind your way through it. And a lot of times, you're not summoning enough of that intrinsic force to then overcome the load. There's an interruption there. There's a loss of connection. So it's just a, it's a matter of like using tools and techniques to address that. A great starter program for a lifter who wants to maybe, you know, eventually get into that. Yeah, it would be Maps and a ball. Maps and a ball, it would be one that gets you good at those core lifts and focuses on overall strength. It's not a powerlifting program per se, but it's a great place to start.

Good precursor. Yeah, and then from there, you can go to your more specific things. But here's the thing about powerlifting too. Because it uses three main lifts, a deadlift, a squat, and a bench press, a lot of people think it's a well-balanced strength sport. It's actually not. It's actually quite imbalanced. Everything's in the...

You know, everything's in the, you know, everything's in the sagittal plane and there are some common injuries that you see. One of the best things a power lifter can do, by the way, to prevent some of the most common injuries, which are low back and hip, are split stance squatting movements. Lunges and Bulgarian split squats are fantastic. Well, this is a power lifter.

This is why I think it'd be really fun. I mean, we'll probably tackle this in the future. I feel pretty confident with the relationships that we have, the same way that we brought in Robert Overs. Are we already turned to this? Right, the same way we brought in Robert Overs to assist us when we're doing the strong. I'm sure that we'll do something

with either Jordan, shallow or Ben Pollock and actually create something very similar because I could see taking a lot of their experience and knowledge but then also taking some of the things that I know that we would do differently which is exactly what you just said. So because this is something that I see in common and even some of the most elite guys,

they're so hung up on only their PRs at the bench and at the deadlift and at the squat that they neglect to do a lot of things that will take care of them wanting and still get you know, injuries. Well not to do a lot of things that will take care of the mountains. And still get, you know, injuries. Well, not to pick on one of our other buddies, our other doctor buddy, Lane, but he gets hurt a lot. And you see him starting to try and incorporate

but he's being forced to incorporate more mobility. Like, it's an afterthought. It should be programmed in every program. And one of the best ways you can do that is what you just said, Sal is incorporating some unilateral work, which I just saw Ben starting to pick up in his routine that he had never even done. He wasn't even doing lunges.

And you could see the way... You could see a harder one for the stable. It was one, yeah, the dude squats 600 pounds like butter. And then you see him do a lunge with 135. And you could just see how unstable that he was. And so, yeah, you're really strong with this one lift, but how important that is to compliment those things I think that's something that we would for sure put right now

I will say this if somebody came to me and said you know, hey Sal Let's say a guy comes to me and says hey, what do you think is gonna be better for me? for my body and be better for me to learn about training and all that stuff Should I start off by training and competing in a bodybuilding competition or training and competing in a powerlifting competition? I'll say powerlifting. For a female, especially, if a female came to me and said, Sal, what should I do?

Should I train in competing bikini or should I train in competing powerlifting? I would say powerlifting. Why? Well, it's going to, it's going to speed up your metabolism more, it's going to focus more on general functional strength, although it's still not super functional.

And it also negates that crazy extreme dieting that I tend to see people do, especially first timers, when they get into this physique and bodybuilding and bikini competitions that tends to damage people. So when a lot of times, when I get females asking me questions and saying they want to compete in something, I tell them compete in power powerlifting go ahead and sign up for powerlifting

It's still not the safest best option far better than the sports where you're standing on stage and you're Bleeding well, I mean, and we've said this since day one with mind pump Oh, you know the programming is a hundred times better like when you there's actual programming right when we address when we talk Shit about programs out there and it's funny because I remember when we first were talking shit about programs in the fitness industry, we get people like, oh, what about, you know, starting strength? No, the guy's that are teaching powerlifting, you know, I'm saying that's legit. Yeah, they're fucking horrible. Yeah, they're legit. I mean, but the bodybuilding community and the average gym goer and then the, you know,

whatever, you know, chick that's doing crazy exercises on Instagram like that are putting on those are all the people that are putting which is a majority they're addressing a majority there eighty percent of the people following some program is following it from some whoever on Instagram or some social media star somebody that's on a magazine those the bullshit garbage programs the legit ones that are out there are actually these guys and girls that have been around for a long time that are training for powerlifting

because they do put so much emphasis on training those three lifts like a skill. And they are the foundation to almost every other lift that you will possibly do. So if you do approach your programming like that, it's a brilliant way to start anybody on lifting. You just don't need to go for some PRs and records, but follow the programming, I think it's genius.

But some of the movements that I would incorporate with the power lifter to both prevent injury and to increase their strength through stability are split stance exercises. Lateral exercises, like a lateral lunge would be fantastic. And rotational movements. Rotational movements. Rotational movements, stability for core type movements, so planks, side planks, those are gonna be really,

really phenomenal. I would recommend pull down movements for the lats, which a lot of them do anyway, because they incorporate that in their bench press. Lots of internal external rotation exercises for the shoulders. For the shoulders. And then when deadlifting, if you use an alternate grip,

watch out, make sure you alternate from right, supinated to left supinated, back and forth, or learn how to do a hook grip, because I can tell you right now, I watch power lifters all the time, I love the sport, and you can tell the guys that always pull with one particular type of side, and you can see it's uneven development in their back.

And that's just because the supinated hand tends to retract the scapula a little bit. And sometimes you get bicep tears as a result as well. Next question is from exo-bethany, fasted cardio versus fasted weight lifting. Which one is better or are they the same? Splitting hairs. It is splitting hairs.

It would matter on what your goal is, right? It was a preference to. What you're trying to accomplish on whether you would do a Fasted cardio or fast. I think fasted weight lifting for someone who's trying to build It's probably not the greatest strategy. I mean, I think if you're trying to build you want you would probably like some glucose to Push the list. I don't think a lot of people do well like it like I mean I feel like you can but but I feel like some people do actually need sustenance, you know, going into their workouts performance-wise.

Yeah, I personally do better, fasted, typically when I workout, but that's because I wake up and I train early in the morning. So if I did eat in the morning, it would be like 30 minutes before my workout, in which case, that's probably too soon before my workout. If I worked down the afternoon, I would probably want to eat something at least a couple hours before. Now here's the thing, if your workout is going to be long and arduous and grueling, then you're probably going to want to have some food in your system from an hour or two before.

And studies will show that your performance is going to be much better. If you're doing a traditional resistance training, your system from an hour or two before. And studies will show that your performance is gonna be much better. If you're doing a traditional resistance training, 45 to 60 minute workout, you're probably gonna be absolutely fine. And so this always deferred to the, you know, it depends, it's up to the person. I've had clients, I've had clients that could not work out if they were fast, it would make them nauseous.

Right, well that's what I'm saying. And most people can do light cardio, you know, fasted versus like the opposite, right? I've had the same experience where it's like kind of a 50-50, you know, whether or not they're gonna do well working out fasted. Well, I don't even recommend cardio, true cardio, fasted it all.

You know, I think a lot of people confuse fasted cardio with fasted walking. When I'm getting ready for a show, when I'm getting ready for it, no cardio is like when you hit your cardio threshold, which means your heart rate is 145 plus depending on the person. That's pushing hard and doing cardio. That's what does not, is not considered cardio until you break that threshold. Everyone's threshold is unique to the individual. A generic number is roughly 145 beats per minute is about when you hit that threshold. Yeah, they're thinking I'm just going to walk on the treadmill at 2.5. Right, so that is what, I mean, I'm okay with that, like, fasted cardio for that,

for going in and walking, but pushing the body really hard like that while you're completely depleted. I'm not a fan of doing that, especially if you're in the competitive world where you're trying to hang on to all the muscle because you're sitting in a state with a body like, hey, I'm depleted, I have no calories, and I'm pushing the body really hard for a long duration.

Not a smart strategy for a competitor who wants to keep weight on muscle mass on. Here's what interesting too. When you train really hard fasted, you get a very high and long lasting growth hormone spike, which is great for fat loss. It's excellent for fat loss. When you eat that growth hormone drops significantly

and then insulin goes up. Now insulin is, a lot of people don't know this, the most anabolic hormone in the body. It's more anabolic than even testosterone, but it's an anabolic for everything. It could also make you store body fat. But it is also a very potent muscle builder. In fact, this is widely believed to be the reason

why bodybuilders got so massive in the 90s and continue to be massive. There was just a huge contrast because they started to learn how to use insulin. And so if you wanna build a lot of muscle, theoretically, eating before and eating after, give you that insulin spike, it's going to be more anabolic. If you want to get lean, fasted theoretically is better because your growth hormone levels are high and your insulin levels are low.

So you store less body fat and you burn more body fat. Now what does the evidence suggest? The evidence suggests it doesn't almost doesn't matter. It's splitting hairs. If you're in a calorie deficit, you'll get lean. If you're not, you won't. It doesn't really make a huge difference. And if I were to list all the things that were important

in regards to things that will affect your performance and muscle gain and all that stuff, whether or not you are fast or not, it doesn't matter except for your preference. And if you really prefer one over the other because you notice there's a big difference, then go with that. And don't worry about the other. Right. Because you got to take into consideration your performance in those two things, right? Like how well you do. And that was a big thing that I remember when Lane was busting that years back

about the whole fasted cardio thing. It's like, well, if you do cardio fasted and it's like you're grueling to get through and it's killing you to do it, all you had to do was eat and you can push on the cardio, that 10% more. Well, the fact that you were fed and can push 10% more, you're going to get 5% more out of the cardio. So why go in fasted? The same thing goes for weight training.

If you go into weight training fasted and You're sluggish and you just you can tell you can don't have any energy and you feel flat And you can't like I feel sometimes when I lift in a fasted state and it and it hinders my performance Well, then it's a no-brainer that being fed into that into that lift is would be more beneficial So it's really that it's to each their own because it's splitting hairs and the difference of the science, which I think a lot of people get hung up on just so they can market and pitch something. It's really up to you.

Like if you can do, if you get up in the morning and do just fine getting on a piece of cardio equipment with no food in your system, then do it by all means. If you feel fine doing it way training, then do it all means. But if it's hindering the performance, well then I would address it. But I'm still, I'm curious. I'm hung up on, you know, the bodybuilders

are like figuring out insulin. Like, do you know, like, the protocol with that by chance are like, you know, how would they, how would they inject it like one point, like, do they do it before the workout, after the workout, what does that look like? So this is based off of post workout and then they eat. And then they eat. Yeah,

like a low car. Like a shit load of carbs. Yeah. But listen, this is this is on what we hear and do. Yeah, no, I'm not like it's a little bit dangerous hormone to fuck with. Right. Because I know, you know, with testosterone and like I, you know, I'm just curious about these things because this is all like that that that taboo stuff nobody talks about. Well, bodybuilders are fucking their they're kamikaze scientists, and they really figure the shit out

through trial and error, but. Definitely, definitely common, not very common in the men's physique, although I can't speak for every men's physique athlete and say that none do it. I don't know any of the pros that were fucking with insulin on the men's physique category, but almost all the bodybuilders do.

The pros, yeah. Oh, not even, yeah, any almost even the amateur bodybuilders, like it's kind of a staple thing in the bodybuild. If you're pros, yeah. Oh, not even, yeah, yeah, you're almost even the amateur bodybuilders. Like, it's kind of a staple thing in the bodybuild. If you're gonna get big, It's a dangerous hormone. Because the guys, like, sourcing in the 90s,

they blew up so much because of that, that if you even are aspiring to be a pro bodybuilder one day and you're at the amateur level, most of them are already fucking with insulin but at the amateur level. But again, such a dangerous hormone, you could literally put yourself in a coma,

give yourself diabetes like it's, and you know why bodybuilders stay away from insulin for a long time, because it's been around for a long time. They stayed away from it, because they thought it would make them fat. So bodybuilders didn't want to take it. Which they definitely can. They can, but they know how to do it now

and the way they use it now and it puts muscle on, but yeah, definitely don't recommend. But you know, what this question really highlights for me when I read stuff like this, because I remember early on as a personal trainer, we were taught that you never worked out fast it. You always ate before and you always ate after. It's what we were taught. But one of the things that I love about the fact that we've all trained so many thousands

of people is that our experience about the fact that we've all trained so many thousands of people is that our experience teaches us, it depends. The answer is it depends. I've had enough clients that do better fasted, and I've had enough clients that do better fed to know that there is no correct answer. Well, you know how I like to address this or approach this with my own self personally, is I like to play with it.

I like to do it fast. It Yeah. I like to do it fast. It's sometimes I like to do it fed sometimes. Both of them, because I subscribe to the, you know, more like, you know, what Dr. Annie Galpin talks about, which is where either optimizer adapting. And so, and I do the same thing with my nutrition. Like, if I've been eating in a certain pattern, I love to break it up. I just did this the other day. I mean, I've never done this before.

And the reason why it is, because I've never done this before. And the reason why it is, because I've never done it before, and I thought, well, this will be a cool way to do a mild stress on the body, where I do this long 24 plus hour fast, and then I feed all in one meal. I've just never done that before. And because it's going to change,

it's gonna make some sort of change in my body, because my body's never experienced that before. And so I kind of think that way when I address things like this, it's like, well, you know, if you've never done the fasted cardio thing before, well, why don't you give it a try and see how you feel when you do it and see this response that your body gives you

and is it something that you like doing or not. And if you've been doing it for a while on time, try doing it fed, see how that is, you know. Next question is from Ricky Rondeneff. How do you properly train a person with thyroid problems? You know, anytime you're trained somebody who has hormone issues or hormonal imbalances, the key to understand in training them

is that, you know, exercise is a stress on the body. And the reason why they have a hormone imbalance, many times, is that their body is not handling stress very well or maybe overwhelmed. Functional medicine doctors would call like HPA access dysfunction, for example, or the hypothalamus, the pituitary, and the adrenals that all communicate with each other is just off. And so you have these hormone imbalances. And so when I train people and they come to me and they say, you know, I have Hashimoto's

or you know, I have thyroid issues, I'm on medication or I need to go on medication. My goal with the training is really to try to bring their body more into balance. And what does that look like? Well, it looks, it depends on the person, but many times what it looks like is, if we do resistance training,

it's traditional strength training at a moderate intensity. I almost never beat the guys out of it. Where's case you could do and what I've caught with these people? I'm glad you picked this question because I got asked on my Instagram the other day and it was like, this is not a short answer because there are so many variables. But if this is the case, like, I'm very, very delicate with how I push them. Because like you're saying, they're already stressed as it is, and more than likely that's part of what's throwing them off, whether it be a ton of stress that they have at work,

they're not sleeping very well. They've been punishing their body before, they're on different medications. There's normally a lot of these other variables that's causing a thyroid issue. My goal is to take each one of those little things and start to address them. Like, like, let's just talk about sleep. And that's like, that's the whole conversation. Like, let's improve upon that. Like, and then like, Sal saying, if I am weight training, it's very, it's, it's more

recuperative than it is, like, trying to push them. The last thing they need is some sort of orange theory class or some sort of hit type of training. Well, that's exactly what people with thyroid problems who don't know any better go-tour. Right. Because, you know, if you have low thyroid, for example, then you're having trouble losing weight.

So you think I'm gonna go beat myself up. If you have too much thyroid and you're anxious or whatever, you may actually feel some relief from working out real hard because you get that feeling afterwards. Both of which, it's totally wrong. In both situations, you don't want to hammer the body. It just makes things a lot worse. What you want to do with that individual

is you want to train them appropriately and it's typically a moderate intensity, traditional strength training, but the majority of the training looks like mobility, looks like stretching, looks like working on range of motion, focusing on sleep, and possibly things like meditation, and diet, diet is a big one. Proves our gut health. Gut health is huge with HPA access to some of the big things too, because Courtney has a bit of a thyroid issue too. Just addressing the gut health, very much more specifically, has done wonders as far as

her being able to lower her medication down and also just bring your back to a little bit more of a balanced hormone profile. Just addressing that is such a big piece to this puzzle. Yeah, what happens with your hormones? If, when hormones are elevated for a long time, for whatever reason, because your hormones get affected by your lifestyle, your food, your, your, your,

even your moods and your thoughts, right? When they get elevated for too long, your body tries to balance itself, because your body's always seeking balance and always wants to be in homeostasis. And so if one hormone is really high, then countral hormones or antibodies can get raised to offset it, or what happens also is receptors that those hormones attached to start to down regulate, and then you start to feel normal with a hormone imbalance.

And then that can become a problem, because you can become further desensitized later on down the road. So you'll see this many times, sometimes people have cortisol resistance even from being high stress all the time. It's funny because these people with cortisol resistance will feel fantastic from doing a high train hard, from doing high stress things because it squirts out more cortisol. And then they start to feel normal, not realizing that that's the opposite of what they should. I've been saying this on the show forever, that most people gravitate to the things that they shouldn't be doing.

Like the types of classes, like the people that I see, and I remember seeing this at Orange Theory, I remember seeing this at Boot Camps, I remember seeing this in the gym, doing the circuits in the hits. The people that are all junkies. Yes, the people that love those

are the type A high performers don't sleep very well at night, fucking punish the worst people. Those are the worst thing that you can be reiterating all that stress and just compiling it, you know, and they think because they get that rush that you're talking about afterwards, try telling that person it's not for them.

But it makes me feel so good. I feel so good afterwards. No shit you do. So does a junkie. Every time they stick a needle in their arms. Next up is Camerones 811. What are some good strategies to implement for someone on a lower income that still wants to eat quality ingredients? There's a bit of a myth out there.

I'll advertise it. Yeah, well, there's a myth out there that eating healthy foods. I don't know if it's a total myth, bro. Okay, here's why it's... Calorie for calories, not a myth. I'll tell you why it's a myth. If you go to restaurants and you go and buy advertised super healthy food and super organic lots of, it is more expensive because they're catering to a wealthy market.

If you go by the basics, rice is cheap as fuck. Well it's yeah. Organic chicken, you can find that shit in bulk. Cheap as fuck. You can buy tuna fish, very inexpensive. Yeah but, no it's buying the stuff that's already made is more expensive than that. Yeah that's quality. Absolutely. And here's the other thing's already made is more expensive than that. That's quality.

Absolutely. And here's the other thing, you want to buy organic non-GMO type stuff. It's not that. It's not that. The argument is that shitier food is still cheaper. That's a fact. That's very easy.

That's not a fact. That's a fact. Even your point you're making right now, organic chicken is more expensive than regular chicken. Well, hold on a sec. Now there's another point I want to make here. You are calculating just the cost of the food, but that's not the only cost of the food.

When you eat cheap, bad food for you, and you're looking at it and you're saying, I'm saving $50 on my weekly food bill by going with this garbage food, that's not the only thing, that's not the only cost associated with that. How much is your medication cost? Your health can become quite fucking expensive.

Your lack of productivity. I mean, that's fair to say that, but to also say that there's this myth of like it being that. That's why I'm saying there's a myth. It's the myth, there's two reasons why there's a myth. One is that there's a myth that eating healthy is ridiculously expensive. Well, yeah, that's a, it's not ridiculously expensive.

Yeah, but it's not. And then the other one is, is, because like a fruits vegetables, like I said, chicken, rice, oatmeal, like they're all actually quite inexpensive. You can buy them in bulk. And if you want to go organic, which isn't the most important thing, but sure, that's also important. You can also find them today, relatively expensive. And then you have sites like Thrive Market, which is non-GMO, huge selection of organic foods,

and the prices there are comparable. Like you can buy. Yeah, I mean, I love Thrive Market for that too, but we don't really highlight the fact with butcher box, like how convenient that is to get really high quality, grass-finished, grass-fed beef, that's like, that to me has always been a barrier because it's like going to the butcher or whatever

to get that meat has been really expensive and then it's inconvenient and then, yeah, they figured that one out, yeah, I was always stoked on that. I'll tell you what the, what the huge problem is, isn't the price, it's convenience. Right. Shitty food is super convenient. Now I get that.

Like if you're a mom or your dad or a dad and you've got kids, I can microwave it. And it's after you go already. Yeah, after work, you pick up your kid, you take him to soccer practice. Oh shit, we're done with soccer practice. It's 6'30, McDonald's, I can get a meal from my whole family for 20 bucks and it's boom. It's fast

That's where we get the problem, right? Oh, that's the issue or they're beating health food on that To me, that's the real truth the real truth is that is that you know, it comes down to more that because you're right There's there's definitely an expensive. I just answered Inzo inzo asked me this question on his his new is YouTube So if you're not following inzo's vlog that he does, it's really good. He asked me this like, you know, for a high-tech. How do you get to bring him up?

Did I get him some subscribers? No, I've been hooking him up. You know, he's doing really good. It's actually, it's been fun to watch him do this. He's been jumping up. That's why I ask. You know, he's doing well. Yeah, yeah.

So the thing that I said was what, go to for me, I love to get the rotisserie chicken, you know, that's art for fast, right? So I'm trying to compliment like what you're saying. It's like five bucks, right? Yeah, like five bucks, get the whole chicken, you know, and it's really good. They don't put a bunch of shit in it and everything like that. It's pump full sodium.

So they shoot some sodium in there, so you're in water. So you're definitely taking that in with any bad, you're fine. So a rotisserie chicken and you got a rice cooker You pop that pop that sucker in and you could steam the veggies in the inside one of those I still love George Foreman grills man You still you still rock that huh dude when I was batching it I use a lot of Oh my god

Because then you could still get like like getting meat and you know veggies or whatever like you can You can just grill it all together and then you're done, you know, it's really convenient Well, I grew that's how I cook so I'm I use my grill right yeah veggies or whatever, you can just grill it all together and then you're done. It's really convenient. Well, I grew that's how I cook. So I use my grill, right? I just grill up for, and again, it's, how important is it to you? You know, like, if I had a client sent across from me

and they used it, I would call him on their shit. I'd just be like, are you just making excuses not to get a shape because it takes one more step? It does. You obviously don't want it that way, which is fine. And that's how I tell people, I say, listen, it's not a priority to you. And one day it probably will be though,

when your health is in a situation where you have to, which is unfortunate that we think this way. And that's the way, that's what it is. You have to kind of paint it that way because I've had this conversation with many, many clients, and I tell them, I say, make a list of the most important things that you believe you need to prioritize in your life.

And when we sit there and we talk about it, we make a list, health is number one. It's at the top because if you don't have your health, it doesn't matter what the other priorities are. I don't care if your priorities are your kids. I don't care if it's your job, I don't care if it's your spouse. If you don't have your health, all those other priorities don't mean shit. Not only does it mean, not mean shit, but it's also crazy and I challenge someone to ask themselves truly this, like you're that that's been in shape and out of shape.

All those things that are so important to you, envision yourself completely out of shape, experiencing all those things, and envision yourself in the best shape of your life experience. And the experience itself is enhanced 10 times. Well, that's what I'm saying. All things. Yeah, it's not even just that you'll die sooner, you'll get sick and you'll be on medicine. Forget that, your quality of life goes down the shitter

when you're not, all your abilities go away. All you have to do, and here's a great thing about health. This is what I love about health so much. This is why I love wearing the market of health because we're selling a product or we're selling something that makes everything better. Everybody benefits. There's nothing else I can think of that does that.

If you improve your health and your vitality, anything else that you do is better. I don't give a fuck what it is. I don't care what it is. I don't care if you do drugs. I don't care if you do drugs. I don't care if you go gamble in Vegas. That's shit's way more fun when you're healthy.

I don't care if you like to do more cars in shape. You want to pay workers in shape. I don't care what you like to do if you've got better health and more vitality. It's better because you're healthy. And so it's like the number one thing you should prioritize and when you do, everything else gets better. Not only that, but you'll probably make more money, you'll be more productive, you'll have better relationships,

you'll be a better example to your kids, your kids will be healthy, which means they'll suffer from less depression, less anxiety. Like I can't think of anything more important than that. So the reason why I'm saying that is, yes, shitty food is more convenient, but is it really? Yes, sometimes it could be cheaper, but is it really? It's not, absolutely not.

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