Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 861: The Long-Term Benefit of Creatine, the Reality of the Health at Any Size Movement, How to Create a Good Gym Culture & MORE

Episode Date: September 19, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about is it really possible to have health at EVERY size, do the strength and muscle gains from creatine go away after stopping, creating a good gym culture or vibe and their childhood TV crushes. Podcasting: The New Media for Advertising. (6:43) Amazon disrupting the industry again…introducing Prime Wardrobe. (15:36) Reconnecting to his heritage. Justin shares the highlights/stories from his Scotland/Ireland trip. (18:50) Activated charcoal, the magic pill. Sal shares his cure to no hangovers with his recent drinking excursion in San Diego. (30:18) Is Adam getting old? He shares his chillaxing getaway with Catrina/dogs in Carmel/Monterey. (34:30) The importance of taking time off to recharge your batteries. (37:55) Grass fed vs. Grain fed debate and the benefits of getting your meat from Butcher Box. (40:05) Layne Norton on the Joe Rogan Experience. Get your popcorn ready! (46:45) The polarizing views/antics of Elon Musk on JRE and the fallout from it. (49:50) #Quah question #1 - Is it really possible to have health at EVERY size? (57:48) #Quah question #2 - Do the strength and muscle gains from creatine go away after stopping it at the same dosage? (1:10:36) #Quah question #3 – What do you mean when you say a gym has a good culture or vibe? (1:19:30) #Quah question #4 – If you had to guess who each other’s childhood TV crush was, who would it be? (1:31:18) People Mentioned: Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Dr. Molly Maloof (@drmolly.co)  Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Dominic D'Agostino (@DominicDAgosti2)  Twitter Gary Taubes (@garytaubes)  Twitter Elon Musk (@elonmusk)  Twitter Links/Products Mentioned: Learn More About Prime Wardrobe Four Sigmatic **Code “mindpump” for 15% off** Organifi **Code “mindpump”for 20% off** Paradise Point Resort & Spa San Diego Sanctuary Beach Resort Butcher Box **FREE Bacon, 2 Ribeye, $10 off + Free Shipping on Your First Order!** Mankind The Story Of All Of Us Joe Rogan Experience #1169 - Elon Musk "I wish I could just disappear": Tess Holliday on dealing with crippling mental health Gold's Gym Salinas Get our newest program, MAPS Strong, an expertly programmed and phased strongman inspired training program designed in collaboration with World’s Strongest Man competitor Robert Oberst to trigger new muscle building adaptations and get you STRONG. Get it at www.mapsstrong.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates.   Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this Welcome Back episode! We're back! Oh, mind, poop! Nice to you bastards! I know.

I know, I really missed you guys. So for the first 52 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We talk about podcast advertising. You know, a lot of sponsors don't realize that podcast are the place to advertise. Great conversion rate. Get with the program. We talk about new media and how it's destroying old media.

Prime wardrobe, Adam recommends I go through them. It gets the help dress me. Then we talk about Justin's Ireland and Scotland trip. Yay! How much of it does he remember? Not a lot. We talk about my San Diego trip and the drinking that I did in San Diego and how I didn't get a hangover

at all because I used Organifi probiotics and four-sigmatic activated charcoal. I don't recommend it. I'm not saying this is a guarantee for everybody. It worked really well for me. Didn't get a single hangover, although I drank a lot. Forsecmatic is one of our sponsors. If you go to forsecmatic.com-mindpump

and enter the code, mindpump, you'll get a discount. And organify is one of our other sponsors. If you go to organify.com-forse-mindpump and enter the code, mindpump, you get 20% off. Then Adam tells us about his beach retreat, had a good time on the beach. We talked about butcher box and the benefits of grass fed beef versus grain fed beef. Apparently, there's a little controversy out there. Is grass fed really better?

Does it make a difference? Now, of course, we are sponsored by butcher box who delivers grass fed and grass finished beef to your door for incredible prices. If you go to butcherbox.com forward slash mind pump, you'll get free bacon, two rebis, $10 off and free shipping on your first order. Killer deal. Then I mentioned mankind, the story of all of us. This is a great documentary on prime.

We talk about our good friend, Lane Norton, and Dom Diagostino, who are going to appear on the Joe Rogan podcast, we wish them luck. We get the popcorn out, wish them luck, and then we talk about Elon Musk and his thoughts on artificial intelligence and why he smoked a joint on the Rogan podcast.

I love that guy. Great guy. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, what do we think about trainers and dieticians who are embracing the health at every size, body, positivity, movement? There's been a lot of controversy around,

I guess Cosmo did a cover with a very overweight model. There was a lot of pushback and debate over that. So we talk about that in part of this episode. The next question was, do you lose your strength and muscle gains from creatine when you stop using it? A lot of people notice immediate gains when they start taking creatine.

And if they stop taking creatine in a very short period of time, they notice those gains go away. Does that mean that their temporary or does creatine actually contribute to permanent muscle gain? The next question was, what do we mean when we say a gym has a good culture or vibe and what should the gym managers and personal Shrangers do to create a good vibe or a good culture positive vibes man and finally probably the most important question We all guess each other's childhood TV crush

Who who isn't love with punky booster? Who loved Britney Spears? Who loved the girl from Who's the Boss? And who liked, uh, saved by the bell. And who liked Zach from Save by the Bell? Yeah, he's my favorite. By the way, in this episode,

I'm an AC Slayer guy. Also, of course, this month, September, we launched a new maps program. Maps strong, it's a strong man inspired workout program. That can be done in any gym, by the way. So you don't need special equipment, barbells, dumbbells, squat rack, a track bar would be preferable, but not necessary. There's all kinds of different lifts.

It's a different kind of workout. It's fun, very functional, but it is difficult. It is hard. It is a different kind of workout. It's fun, very functional, but it is difficult. It is hard. It is a little advanced. And so people have asked us, should I start with MAP Strong? And MAP Strong was created not for the new lifter. MAP Strong is created for somebody who's got some experiences been working out for a while, who

wants something different and wants to shock their body into getting better results. For the rest of you, we designed our programs in a particular order for a reason. It's because we believe the first ones we released are the places where people should start and they should progress through the programs and get their bodies to progress

in the most efficient, effective way possible. And so what we did is we created something called a super bundle that combines our three core maps programs and our correctional program maps prime in an order that you should follow them. So what you should do is if you're just kind of getting started or you haven't been working out for a while and you want really good programming, you start with maps and a ballad, you train in that, many of you should start in the pre-phase. So do pre-phase for three weeks and you go to phase one, phase two, phase three.

When you're done with maps in a ballack, you move to maps performance. Now you're training more functionality, you're doing more multiplayer movements, you're doing more complex exercises, you're working on mobility, you do that program, improve your performance there, then you move to maps aesthetic,

which is a very body building focused, body sculpting volume intensive type of program. From there, then you can progress to some of our more advanced programs like Maps split or Maps strong. At the very least, I highly suggest you start with Maps enabolic and then moves to Maps strong. So you can find the Super Bundle that has the programs in the perfect order that you follow that you can do for basically an entire year it's called the super bundle you can find it at maps fitness products dot com and then if you're interested in map strong again the new program that everybody's

really talking about it's really really popular just go to maps strong dot com and get yourself started and get yourself started. T-shirt time! And it's T-shirt time. Oh yeah. Yippee! 17 reviews, five shirts going out. 17, Adam, almost legal. Mm.

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Sounds like a challenge, though. Britals and barbells, all of your winners in the name I just read to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. You know what we've talked about sharing eventually like the building of the business and like, I just feel like we're, we're formulating that right now.

And this is turning into quite the formula because we are in a very unique time in podcasting where not everybody is savvy to it as being one of the better mediums to advertise. So a lot of big companies, they're still on the Facebook game. Like, and it's, I mean and you guys remember that call we did with True Brain? Do you remember that phone call? Yeah. We did a phone call with True Brain when we were up in Reno one time.

I can't punk that. Well, what do you say? It was really polite about it, but he said, he says, why would I spend $400 on, you know, or $1,000 on advertising with a podcast? When I know that if I put a thousand dollars into Facebook, it will turn into $1,500 guarantee.

Right, it's predictable ROI. Right, so because of that, a lot of these companies that Taylor has to deal with, and I know I razz him a lot, but something that he's doing really, really well, and I'm very proud of him, and I do, I'm in tune with all of it that he's doing, is it takes a lot of conversation.

He sits down and writes a really long email to these companies to attract, to even get them to look at us. Because when you talk about Viori, when you talk about the AER right now, you talk about ease, you talk about, none of these guys have ever done a podcast. We're like the first.

We're the first, yeah, a lot of companies. Yeah, a lot of these companies, and so it's tough because we want specific companies that we want to introduce to our audience. We don't want to just fuck around with anybody who just wants to throw money at us. We turn all those ones down. We want to seek after these companies that we really like in brands. We really like problem is not all of them are savvy to podcasting as a good medium. So they still a new frontier. Yeah. So he has to do this kind of like, and we've talked about this a lot where he goes like, Adam, how low will you let me go? First of all, I said, well, this is the way I look at it. It's a brand that you really, really want us working with

because you like it. It's it messes, it messes, meshes really well with our message. That was a twist. Yeah, right. I did it though. Try doing it. Thank you. So. Doing twisted. Yeah, it was. Right. So if it's a brand that really meshes well with us, then I'm all for you dropping rates to get them involved with this because we know our audience will respond well to it and they'll love it. So.

Well, I think the cost for advertising, my personal opinion, the cost to advertise on podcasts, on good podcasts, because then all podcasts are created equal, obviously, is, I think, obviously, I think it's still way underpriced for a sponsor. I think if you're a sponsor, oh, 100% and people don't know how to read that right now. That's the challenge he's having. The challenge he's having is everybody wants to look at, like Justin said, the ROI, like they want to see, okay, if we spend $400, well, it doesn't necessarily work that way when you're like television, for example, television doesn't work that way.

You don't pay a million dollar, like when Bud Light pays for a million dollar commercial on Super Bowl, they don't see like a million dollar or two million dollars in sales the next day like that. It's just it's brand awareness. And you're paying partially for that. Sure, their sales probably spike the next day like that. It's just it's brand awareness. And you're paying partially for that. Sure, the sales probably spiked the next day too, but it's not.

But it's even different because the people don't realize the conversion power of a podcast. I mean, do you give an example, let's say you a more personal. Yeah, let's say you have a YouTube video that gets a million views and you get a podcast that gets 100,000 downloads. You know which one's gonna sell more for you? Down the podcast with with with 10% of the of the views or whatever 10% of the exposure because we're your friends

Yeah, I mean like you know us. Yeah, like that's such a big difference like now like the that's what's so interesting to me Because I go back in a watch like TV and like sitcoms and radio and I'll listen to these things and you're so disconnected with these people. Bro, it's cheaper, I don't know this for sure, but I would bet that it's probably less expensive to run an ad on the Joe Rogan podcast than it would be to run an ad on ABC or NBC

or one of the big networks. Oh, absolutely. Which one's gonna get you way better return? Dude, the podcast. and it would be to run an ad on ABC or NBC or one of the big networks. Oh, absolutely. Which one's gonna get you way better return? Dude, the podcast. Way better. Well, and people don't skip over, I'm like, they're starting to figure that out.

So we are seeing, I mean, I know you guys have noticed the difference. When we first started the podcast, it was always this awkward moment I'd have when somebody asked what we do. Like, what do you do? Like, I still have when somebody asked what we do. Like, what do you do? Like, I still have it all the time. Oh, man, people, people, but now it's rare that I actually meet somebody who doesn't already listen to a podcast. It's become that,

it went from not know a lot of, like at least 50% of the people that would ask me what I do for work didn't know what a podcast was. Well, they know, but they still don't really understand how you make money with it. Yeah, that's another conversation. That is another comment, but at least now, like I didn't, like where? Yeah, like this whole last week where we were gone and stuff, I mean, we were out at, you know, walking stores and stuff

like that, and we went into a couple athletic stores and people asked me, oh, what do you do? And I was like, oh, you know, do you listen to podcasts? It's like before I even respond, what would I do? I asked if they listened to podcasts and nine times at a 10 now, someone goes, oh yeah, yeah, no, I listened to so and so and so and so and they have a pile. Oh, you like that? Well, we just interviewed them.

So, you know, the future of all media is going to be podcast, YouTube, all new media, all internet-based, you know, streaming media is going... It's already starting to dominate. It's already starting to take over. I'll tell you what. So, you know, when I was on vacation, all of us were obviously, by the way, I missed the fuck out of you guys. Yeah.

So happy to see you guys. We're back, motherfuckers. You'll very, very happy to see you guys. But on vacation late at night, sometimes Jessica and I were in bed and we would put on the TV. And there wasn't any, you know, I didn't have Netflix on it.

I don't have anything hooked up to it. It's literally old school TV, right? Base cable. Fucking garbage. Oh, it's painful. It's shit. Yeah. The commercials are shit.

The fucking sitcoms are garbage. It's like the laugh track. But I don't realize how bad it was until I had disconnected from it because I haven't had normal TV for a long time now I only have on my TV have Netflix, Hulu, you know all the all the internet-based stuff Prime, you know Amazon Prime. So I haven't seen Regular TV in a long time watched it and I was like whoa. Well, they give it different so check this out This is how bad it's gotten right so we just got into our new place what two months ago and

I told Katrina I said when we try because our our cable direct TV bill like I'm this retort was just ridiculous It's $300 a month because I do all the channels plus whatever so we and I know we do not use that and so we agreed that Okay, we move in this new place. Let's see what it's like. Let's try not to have, first of all, we had not, didn't have a TV for a while. Sold everything. And then I said, let's see if we can, once we do feel like, oh man, I miss watching a good show. Let's stream it. And let's see how long we can live without this cable, right? So we get into the new place. And 18 T or Comcast, excuse me, gave us a year free of cable. They just give it to you now. They're bleeding so. Oh yeah. So it's like, we're like, no, no, we're streaming. We don't want any anything like, no, no, no, here, it's free. I have HBO and

like basic cable for free for the whole year. And I'm like, wow, that just shows you how desperate they are right now to get you kind of like hooked into just using it and be like, oh, fuck it. I'm already getting it for free. and it's only went up to $20. I'll just keep it. But nobody, it doesn't make sense anymore. You know what it is when I'm watching one of the biggest things I noticed watching TV after I hadn't watched it for a while is the the fake producers of it, the fakeness of it. Oh my god. Like the makeup and the fakeness and then I was like, whoa, this is, I don't like this. I like the internet stuff because it seems more real. I don't know. It's hard to explain.

It's interesting. We were, I was just talking about that with Courtney because there's this show that's like, like, they're trying to find gold. And so they're, it's like snake island or something like that. Anyway, there's this whole thing that where they're like, you know, they're down in South America somewhere and they're trying to find this gold. And it's so produced. Like, all of a sudden, you see this, this, like, landslide happen all of a sudden. And then, like, dude, like, you could literally tell

that they staged the entire thing. Like, they're adding drama where there's no drama. And like, literally somebody up there like blew up some fucking rocks and they made it seem like they didn't know it was coming even though they just jump out of the way right at the right minute and you know and they're trying to add all this like they literally need to add shit

where it doesn't even like it's not even there. It's not real. No and the cause. And the cost of production for those shows is so expensive They're so screwed. Yeah, they're so screwed. It's all it's a matter of time. It's a matter of time for me You can see right through it now. Yep since we're on the on the TV and streaming kick right now So I saw this on last man Amazon. Let me tell you Okay, these guys are taking over the world, bro. I mean, they just reached the truth

They're always the sleeper. They just reached the trillion dollar thing, right? So that was like, no big, that was real quick, right? Apple had it. Oh, here we are. Cute Apple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're right behind you.

There we come. So something that I've watched grow, an industry or a space that I've watched explode in the last like four or five years, are these at home crates that you get sent to you that are like, they put together outfits. So it would be, it would be, it would be great for someone like Sal, right? Who can't dress up Sal?

So they send, they send a crate to you. You make it sound like a, what's the, put a sock on my lips? Stitch fix or trunk something. Yeah, there's a million of them now. And it was brilliant when they came out, but this just goes to show you like how disrupting a company like Amazon can be Because they just rolled out there their prime Amazon prime

I forget what's called fucking wardrobe prime wardrobe. I think it's what it's called Maybe Doug can Google it. Are you looking it up? So there's a trunk club. There's one There's a so I just see this I see this poor company like you're done Yeah, you're done. Yeah. You're done. You know why? Because these guys, they have their own brand or their partner with a brand. Amazon's like, everybody's brand.

I know. It's, it's, yeah. It's like, fuck you, dude. What, I mean, somebody comes up with a brilliant idea like this. They're killing it for what, there it is. Prime wardrobe, right? Fill your box, try it on home, check out what you like, return whatever you don't want,

whatever you keep, they just automatically charge. Fuck! So brilliant, right? That's so great. Now these have been around, they've been around for a while, I know I have friends. Yeah, but then you got Amazon doing it and they make it easy and better.

Just from saying, they make it faster, faster. So now it's not taking four or five days to get to your house, it's coming the next day. It's brands that you, now you have more options of what brands and things Yes, he's going to shop him. I'm doing that for sure smart right that's so brilliant Well Amazon watches what other companies do and the ones that kind of have a little bit of traction And they're like okay cool do that. I imagine that I have to spend any more Yeah, you're that company that Doug just pulled up first. I just feel so sorry for them. Like that, you're so handcuffed, right?

What do you do? What do you do when Amazon decides they want to get into your space? Well, it was cool. I sure will be able to say the fuck away from fitness for all. Well, they're already taking over the supplements. I know. Yeah.

Any one of those supplement companies, once they got into the bodybuilder scene, dude, it was. It's over already. They're still not fully come I mean they did supplements but to look at their supplements I don't think they're gonna compete just yet but when they do it's done oh it's on they're already I mean I mean literally uh you know I don't know if it was IFBB or bodybuilding who was it that allowed the the fox in the henhouse to yeah but allowing them to stream the fuck I think it was one of those who the fuck

came up with that who's the idiot that said yes to that I think I think it was one of those, who the fuck came up with that? Who's the idiot that said yes to that? I think it's one of those situations where you see the monster and you're like, maybe for friends with them. Yeah. You can't be a joint out. Yeah, maybe you won't eat me. It's like when Hitler was taken over Europe

and England was like, we'll just be cool in America. It's like, I will stay out of it. And then he just, then they're like, oh shit. Yeah, we gotta do something. Yeah, we gotta do something. Well, that's it. I wanna hear about you guys as Tri like, yeah, we'll stay out of it. And then he just, then they're like, oh shit. And they're like, yeah, we gotta do something. Yeah, we gotta do something. Well, that's it.

I want to hear about you guys as Tripp Justin. You were in the motherland. Yeah. Homeland for the whole. Yeah, it's so crazy. Cause I, you know, when you grow up, you kind of identify with, with a certain heritage, you know, that, like, so I, I really like heavily identified with, with being forever because like that was something like my mom and

You know, her side of family my dad on some level was like Irish, but I found it. I'm like not even Irish I'm like all Scottish dude. How did you know? What do you mean? How did you find that out? We went through a lot of the old records and some of the libraries and that up? We went through a lot of the old records and some of the libraries and just traced it all back to a couple of the clans that all started out in Scotland, man. So I'm like, almost 80% Scottish. Oh, you really? Yeah, that's awesome. I love the Scottish. I got so connected to Scotland. In this trip, dude, it was crazy. Like we just, the terrain, the history of it, like everything about it, just there, I don't know, they're attitude, they're sarcasm, like the people,

I fucking loved it, man. It was like so, I don't know, dude, it's hard to explain. That's what I hear from a lot. It's so connected to it. I hear a lot of people say that the people in Scotland or Ireland are just awesome. Well, both. I mean, I loved Ireland too, and we spent some good time there. But like, yeah, it was just funny, because we went on a couple tours, which I know that

made it better because we were able to really get into the history behind a lot of some of the castles and the monuments and different things we visited. But, and we saw a lot of the countryside, which was just epic. But yeah, dude, I just felt so connected. It was crazy, because just there, you know, their back history and like, I think it's the Peck, Peck's, that were there initially, where the Romans came in

and they were like super scared. Like they basically ran them out because these crazy ass warriors from like over 700 plus years back would be like painted and blue and naked and fucking coming out like maniacs and fucking scared everybody out of there, dude. And like dude, Braveheart is like all totally historically inaccurate, you know, this guy And like, dude, Braveheart is like all totally historically inaccurate. You know, this guy was like going off about it

and like the whole thing. Inacurate or accurate. In accurate. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, like didn't even have kilts, you know, in that time period, you know? So like 400 years off, you know,

and then they add the blue paint and all that. And that's like not even a part of it. And so, and uh, So do they hate Braveheart over there or what? Yeah, well, the people that are really like, you know, like historically like, be like tied into the country were like, like pissed, you know, cause they got it wrong.

Yeah, well, they didn't even shoot any of it in Scotland. They shot it all in Ireland. Oh, like, that's kind of a move. You know, like, come on, no Gibson, you know? Fucking dick. Yeah, like I just got, no Gibson, you know? You fucking dick. Yeah, like I just got to throw that there for my Scottish people. Hey, we got it.

We have to address the overunders here. So there was two overunders that were going on your trip here that you need to come clean here. So the first one was 23 Guinnesses is the overunder. Oh, that's what you're talking about. And then, pounds. And then six times, if you're getting fucked. So what's the two of that? Where, what's, so all right, let's what you're talking about. And then, pounds. And then, six times, if you're getting fucked. So, what's the over-under, where you, uh,

definitely was over the six times getting fucked. Oh, you're over that. Yeah. That a kid. That's like every other day. He looks younger. Doesn't he? Look at his face.

You do look spry. Yeah, there was a couple days where it was like a few days, you know, like we did like twice a day. Whoa. Yeah, those was a couple days where it was like a few days, you know, like we we did like twice a day. Whoa Yeah, those were good days, but As far as like the Guinness is go no, we I You know, I had I had a fair share, but like when we went to the factory like I had probably like I probably had six points That day because I was just feeling it man. I was like, I'm in the factory and like everybody like talks about how Much better it is like the closer yard of the factory and all this stuff and like how it's like a milkshake, you know

It's so good. Was it yeah, it was fucking great, but it really tasted the same You know that's all just a bunch of like myth and fork to get you to fucking go there You know like that's all advertising. Yeah, it'll taste the same. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I'm just being honest. You know, like they did have, and man, the way it's all set up, it's great. Like it has a lot of, you know, cool things to look at.

And they actually had like some nitro coffee where they put Guinness in it or Bailies. Oh my God, that was really good. But I'm not interested in how you fucking make your beer, dude. Like, that got boring. Like, actually, like, you just want to drink it. Yeah, I'm like, I don't care about that. That history. Like, who gives shit? You know, like, I just give me the beer. Like, and the bar upstairs was amazing. At the Gravity Bar, you could see the entire city of city of Dublin like you could see at the top and it was That's cool. What were the pubs like? Could you go to a lot of pubs? There's fucking pubs everywhere

Oh my god, dude Dublin is huge city, dude. I didn't even realize how humongous it was like I'd I just felt like oh my god Like I don't even know where to go like the thing about Scotland There's a lot more landmarks and things where I could kind of navigate, especially in Edinburgh. I got to be honest, Edinburgh is my favorite city I've ever been to. Because you could actually see, in relation to where you are in the castle, the castle was on this mountain in the middle of the city, so you could see, we walked around the entire city a bunch of times where we easily could find our way. What's transportation like? Are you riding horses everywhere with you?

Yeah, no, like pigs. Yeah. Dude, there's no Uber. Uber, that's what I'm saying. That's what fucking exists like over there yet. So I know it does, but it's like, I was trying to look for it and like, I was only on Wi-Fi the whole time.

And so it was like, it was tricky. But yeah, there's no Uber. I forgot how fucking convenient that is. Like, I'm like tricky, but yeah, there's no Uber. I forgot how fucking convenient that is. Like, I'm like, oh my God, I can get anywhere. You know, like, yeah, I'll get, like, we would have to get a taxi or like a bus. And so I did a few trains and buses, but for the most part, we literally fucking walked

and hiked everywhere. We did miles and miles every day. So it was just like, fuck it, we're gonna do it. This is why we're not fat. We thought we thought the entire sales the other over underpass. That's what I thought you're getting at with that. I was like, no, I mean, that's definitely a country that's on my list. I've always wanted to visit Scotland and Ireland both. I only hear great highly recommend. And we have a lot of fans in those in those two countries and they they love our show

and their sense of humor matches with ours pretty well. Perfectly. I was communicating with a few and I'm sorry I didn't get to meet up with a lot of people that are reaching out. I tried to make it happen. I know like in Ireland I had it all set up. I was going to meet up with a couple of fans and it didn't work out. But yeah, it was great. I was getting all kinds of messages of people., we were all trying to connect and go to get a pint together, or do something, talk some shit, but it doesn't sound like you got a lot of drunk a lot. It sounds like you didn't drink nearly as much

as I thought. I thought it smashed every day. No, it was, you know, it was weird about it. It was constantly there. And so we would kind of start, and then it was like, it would just like, fizzle out, you know, like we would just like, kind of start drinking and then we're just like,

we would just get into whatever we were doing as far as sightseeing or like, talking. Did you have a single best moment or day, would you say? Like this was like, that was your favorite part or something that you did there. I mean, obviously I know that getting all that sex had to be no good. Well, that, I know,, yeah that was like the icing but you know like I think honestly it

was just being immersed like we did one day where we saw I think we saw Edinburgh Castle and then I think it was the day where we did that and then we did a tour where we, I really just enjoyed our tour guide this guy Grant who we was a van, so it wasn't like this big ass boss with all these fat fucking annoying tourists from wherever I was. I did not want to be on one of those things, dude, I was like, get me the fuck away from all these tourist people. like maybe like eight eight of us in this van with this guy and he had the fucking greatest sense of humor. He was talking so much shit about England and like all these different other countries and just like every like talking just mad shit and I just loved it because he was so sarcastic and it was no holds bar like you can ask him anything about like the country, the people and like all this kind of stuff.

And so he just like, he was going off the whole time and giving us stories. So awesome. Dude, I learned so much shit from that guy. I'm like more than anything else. Like, so. Was it a nice connecting time between you and your, it was because you were,

it was your, which anniversary was it? 10. He was our 10 year anniversary. Yeah, so that was, I mean, it was cool because there was a lot of exterior things that we were doing, but really, we were just talking the whole time and just like, energize, like, every day. Isn't that crazy? How much you need that?

And you realize it after you do it, right? Yeah. It's so important. Well, especially today, right? I mean, we're just, we're in a different time now, man. I mean, it wasn't like this 10 years ago, or? So distracting and so busy. Oh, it's the phone thing. And, you know, that's part of it in kids different time now, man. I mean, it wasn't like this 10 years ago. So distracting and so busy. Oh, it's the phone thing. And, you know, that's part of it in kids and everything else.

But, you know, like just having like, like airplane mode on the whole time was so liberating. It was so liberating. But I gotta tell one story though. One like thing on that same day, where we're going all these sites. So we went to Locke Lomon, which was this like really beautiful lake that we hiked all the way around and like you know kind of ended

up at this place where we had a pint and like had court actually had some haggess and all that and she didn't know what it was. I told her later and she's like, oh, but she liked it. But we were walking on the trail and you know, we're talking or having this romantic kind of like connection and everything and then we turned the corner and There's this lady like literally like peeing on a tree. What? A lady a lady. I have to see peeing on a tree I have no idea she was leaning into the tree like had her skirt all the way up and was like peeing on this tree What and there's this guy kind of like had her skirt all the way up and was like peeing on this tree. What? And there's this guy kind of like holding her,

like her hand on her shoulder and she's like squatting on this tree, like peeing. And she sees us and was like, oh God. You know, like we all have this oh God moment, like you saw us, I saw you, like peeing all this. She puts her underwear back on, like starts walking back. I'm like, where do I look?

You know, because I gotta keep walking and we're like trying to get past and she looks. She's like, oh, I'm sorry I had to see that Just kept walking out and I'm like I was like, okay, I have so many questions. You know, like I was like talking to Courtney like the whole way back I'm like, okay, so you couldn't walk, you know, maybe like 40, 50 yards up, you know, out of the way, you know, you had to do it right on the trail. You know, like you're peeing on a tree, you know, like there was so many things. Right instead of behind a tree, maybe, right? Like the decision process for you to do that, you know, and this is a public place, like there's...

She told her boyfriend, she's like, don't be on that tree. Yeah, hurry up, hurry up. You won't do it. You won't do it. Yeah, yeah. It's like tree. Yeah, hurry up. You won't do it. You won't do it. Yeah, I will. Watch me. You'll watch me. You know, it was like a full stream. You know, I was like, wow.

I don't know. I just, I still, I'm still tripping on that. I think I probably drank the most then. I didn't think I would, I would have beat you, but I, we went hard. I mean, I drank a lot of whiskey, dude. How'd you do? Yeah, I, oh, yeah, I got down the whiskey. We went hard, bro. We went hard the whole because we were

supposed to go to Maui. Yeah, you were supposed to go to Hawaii, but that could can't happen. So we were supposed to go to Maui the day before we were going to leave. We were at my parents house having dinner and you know, I just checked my phone to check the weather. It's a hurricane and it's fucking tropical storm warning and they're saying it's going to be like 40, 50 mile per hour winds. It's gonna rain the whole time. So, I mean, I don't mind a little bit of rain and who I, because it's warm, but this is 40, 50 mile per hour winds. Like, that would have sucked right?

No, I've been there before like that. And there's nothing, I mean, I'm sorry. And who I is warm and nice and beautiful, even when it rains, but it's like, when you're someone who's traveling there, like you're going there for the sun and the beach. Exactly. Like you don't want to be in a storm, you know, the whole time.

No, so I called the company, they let me save the tickets, and so then we were like, what do we do? Like, where do we go now? Because I took the time off. And so we threw out some ideas in San Diego. We decided to go down to San Diego. So we did a little road trip, drove down there, and just fucking, dude, I gotta tell you guys,

activated charcoal is, and I gotta make sure I do this, you know, save this up to the audience, and I gotta make sure I do this, say this to the audience, I'm not advocating that anybody do this, my own personal experience, but for me, fucking magic. Game changer. Bro, there was a day where Jessica and I went to Pacific Beach and we got the bird scooters

so we could go all the way up and down the boardwalk and we stopped at every bar and did we play the game Where we took a shot of tequila so we do a shot at tequila ride the scooter down take a shot all day We were fucking pissed drunk and I'm sure you probably are not so awesome. Yeah, pretty sure I'm not sure it's illegal But we were do you I for sure we were destroyed, but I would take you know I would take a little bit of the activated charcoal every once in a while, and it fucking worked. It's like, I didn't get, we didn't get a hangover.

And so when it's happening, cause you know, I wonder how much, I wonder if Organifi has been getting all kinds of like people reaching out to them. What kind of commercials are you guys doing for us? I don't know. Organifi doesn't have activated charcoal. It was a, it wasn't, oh, this is forcing Mac. Yeah, it was a forcing Mac.

Oh, that's an aid. Oh, that's in the lemonade one. That's what you're you're taking it like that? Are you? So I took that or I'll take capsules because capsules I can take with me and capsules you just buy generic. I always thought you were given. Oh, you know, you're given us the probiotic with it. That's probiotic. The organified probiotic is is another another little hack. Because really, I think it's about keeping your gut healthy and making sure you don't build up all these toxins.

To be honest with you, I don't know how it really works, but I do know it works. The problem with it is because I didn't get a hangover, we just got smashed every day. Like every single day, we would go out and we'd drink in the morning, we'd have mimosas. We'd fucking do something else. And then we'd end up at a bar and we'd get one drink, two drink, three drinks. And then we'd have mimosas, and then we'd, like, do something else, and then we'd end up at a bar,

and we'd get one drink, two drink, three drinks, and then we'd hang out a little bit, and we'd be like, let's do some shots, we'd do some shots, and we were college kids, parting. That's awesome. All day long. So that was our,

what did you stay? What kind of place you at? So Jessica didn't want me to tell anybody because it's such a nice, it's such a cool little area, but I guess I have to say, because you asked me. So there's this island off of the coast of San Diego

called Paradise Point, every guys heard of this. It's a small little island, super easy to get to, and it's a resort, and it's right there, and it's right next to the beach and everything else. It's like a 10-minute drive to Little Italy or La Hoya, which we went to all both those places. So it's cool. It's a drive or La Hoya, which we went to both those places. So it's, it's, it's quite a drive to La Hoya if it's on an island.

So it's an island, but it's super close. So literally the bridge is like, Oh, so okay, you got it. It's a tiny bridge and then it's a small, it's the small island and it's just, it's absolutely gorgeous. But San Diego is such a gorgeous city. I know, I would live there in a second.

Yeah. Have you guys been a little Italy before? No, I haven't been there. Oh, it's like the gas light district? Or the gas lamp district? Yeah, I mean everything down there is just so nice. And so it makes me hate living up here. Because San Jose is so expensive.

Yeah. And there's not really much to do. I just saw that article. San Jose is the worst place to live. Or the least, it's the least affordable place to live. Yeah, the least affordable place to live. So get the least for your money here. Yeah, it's pretty lame.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. How was your Adam? You took a little bit. You didn't do a long trip, right? You did some short ones. Well, no, we went, I mean, Wednesday till Saturday. So we took it, we headed up Wednesday. We worked Wednesday, took off that afternoon

up to Monterey, Carmel area. And this is just one of my favorite places that I like to go to, the sanctuary up there, just a really, really cool spot. We get a suite on the beach. Literally, you walk out of our room and you're in the sand. It's also a place where I can take the boys. For us, that's really cool because then we don't have to have somebody watch them

and that's not a headache. And they absolutely, they just love it out there. It's the being right there, that close to the ocean. It's a really peaceful place. Not a lot of like, you know, we don't do a lot of party and then shit as far as going out to the bars or clubs. It's definitely, a couple of times I like to Katrina, am I getting old?

Like is this, do you know? I had the same problem, because Courtney, like, dude, like she just didn't wanna go out, you know, I was like trying to pull her out to go to like these clubs, didn't wanna go out. And I'm like, I get it, you know,

like, but like, I feel like we're fucking old. Yeah. Like, we have to go out, because otherwise, you know, like we're giving in. That's, you know, the things that we were in, I mean, we had like a, we had this cool, you know, the way they set it up is dope, right?

So it's, I'm facing the ocean, the sunsets are amazing, and I feel bad for people that are, I don't really feel bad because this is part of our trip, but I mean, I don't do so well at taking Instagram photos and doing a lot of that, they're sharing all that stuff that often because I'm in the moment of experiencing it, but it's just epic. Like we're sitting in this in our room and we have this balcony that's facing the ocean and are on the sand, and the boys are chilling, and her and I would, you know, pop a bottle of champagne or wine, and we'd sit there

and we'd just hang out and drink some wine, maybe smoke some weed, and we're just watching the sunset and talking. And, you know, I disconnected from all my electronics. I didn't have the laptop out. I didn't really use my phone much at all. I think I might have snapped a few pictures when we first got there. Kind of regretted some of that

because I told Katrina there were so many beautiful moments that we were there, but we were so into each other and enjoying that that we really didn't get a chance to take very many pictures. I just was very relaxing for us, and it was a good time. It was nice to do that during the launch, too. So, you know, we're in the middle. We just finished our our strong launch in that program release. And so, you know, I there was a little bit of hesitancy for me at first to going because

I get nervous about leaving the business completely when something like that's going on. But, I mean, it was pretty exciting to see where we've come now, where we have enough people that work for the business, that even though the four of us were all in different locations and vacationing, that the business was still operating and running very smoothly. So that was really, really cool. And I have to say that I think that this trip felt like that the most, that of everything that we've done so far. I mean, we're moving into what,

coming up on your four of being into this business, and I have to say that that was the most relaxing one. And I know that's part of the reason that wasn't just the fact that I'm in this amazing location with my partner and my boys and stuff like that, being able to do that, that's all awesome. But the fact that what we've built now is in a place where it can continue to run and we can be in place

like that and it doesn't feel stressful. Man, that really just was like the icing on the cake for me. I really do think too. Yeah, I helped a lot. And I do think it's important that you take that time with your partner, especially if you have a norm, such a, especially like for someone like Justin, right, with kids and all that.

And I know you and your wife schedule can be alternating. So it's like passing ships in the night. Yeah. You know, doing stuff like that is super important. And then because our business is also creative, right? Because we podcast and we talk about topics and stuff like that. Take like, I was so excited to come back to work. Did.

And just get on the mics with you guys. Insanely energetic. Did I, I'm a little bit, because I was 10 hours ahead over there. So coming back was like a real big transition. But like, so I'm waking up like really early in the morning now. Right. So I was up like yesterday, like four or five in the morning. And then today again, like five and I was like,

wow, just buzzing. I'm like, I got to do something with this energy. Yeah. I'm so ready. It was so good. It was like, I gotta do something with this energy. I'm so ready. It was so good. It was like a total battery reset for me. I felt the same way. We got back Saturday and then Saturday,

of course, you want to pack and do laundry and do that stuff. And, you know, and here's a thing on our vacation and you guys are talking about getting old. Same here, like we did party, but we didn't go to bed later than like 10, 30. So it's like, it's not like we party during the day. We wake up at six. The fuck does it?

That's exactly what we did. Yeah, I think that's just all during the day. It was all during the day. We need to drink at night. Yeah, 10 or 10 30 were in bed and we're just going to sleep. Well, I think the with age gets some of this wisdom. Of course. You realize like, and we talk about this

in the show a ton of other young. The importance of sleep, like what sleep does, like good sleep for you. I mean, it made the whole trip great. in the show a ton about the young, the importance of sleep. Like, what sleep does, like good sleep for you. I mean, it made the whole trip great. If you got a good night's rest, that was good every day. Yeah, exactly. We were able to drink almost every day, and I was fine. And because we always like, you guys,

we did it early in the day. I'm done doing it by eight o'clock. We have a nice good dinner afterwards, and then we go to bed, and then wake up for it. It's such a good point point because if you're gonna drink and you're gonna party and stress your body and you throw a lack of sleep on top of that, dead, you're fucked.

If you do that and you sleep, it's kind of a hack, you can party more. Yeah. I don't have to take it. Well, they are. As they do you add in the charcoal and the probiotic, dude, I'm telling you, we buy it. It's mandatory for us.

Speaking of sponsors, did you see the response we've gotten with butcher box? Yeah, cuz oh, dude I'm so glad people are jumping on the train cuz like I like I said dude It literally like kept me going. I just having like all that meat like at my house I came home. No. I came home to mine on Saturday, which is so awesome because you know yesterday yesterday That's Sundays and we prepped for like the week. And so I arrived back on Saturday, and my box is already waiting for me on my front step, and then we barbecue it up, and prepping.

But it's gotta be one of our most successful sponsors with the amount of people from our audience who are going over, because we get those statistics, and it's growing. And that means to me that the people who did it the first time are telling other people and just exploding. So you have very successful. You have to share a little bit on the negative side. But I saw that Dr. Molly made a kind of a comment about us and Max Lugavir talking about butcher box and then...

Well, the benefit of grass-fed versus grain fed. Yeah.'s she says that she hasn't seen she's been wrong a lot lately that much what what what what's what's what's kind of like a lean norton kind of a stand well you know what it is here's a deal because she's pretty open she's typically pretty open-minded but she is a doctor and so I think sometimes where they they have to see the clear evidence for a strong up on the literature. You have to see clear evidence first.

Even though some of the evidence suggests that since most of the studies are being done by the people. Well, here's the thing, here's the thing with food. And this is the interesting thing. I'll use artificals. I'll take a little time from this. I'll use artificial sweeteners as an example.

So let's talk about sucrose, for example. One of the most popular artificial sweeteners, it's used to sweeten pretty much every sugar-free muscle building or fat burning supplement you can find, except for the organic ones like organifier, whatever. But most of them are sweetened with sucrose. If we go back five or six or seven years, not that long ago, not even a decade ago.

So five or six years, all the literature, all the hard evidence shows that Circulose has no effect on the body. Now why? Why did they show that? Because they didn't know to test for particular things. They never tested the effect on the microbiome. They didn't know to do that.

According to them, they didn't show. And even if they did, the people that are paying the money to get the research done, or the people that probably have that are selling. So a lot of the information is, even if they did test for that, and they saw that he might not have been, you're not putting that out there. Like if you're protein powder,

or your paper, or whatever data they can get. And why would that be any different than the beef industry? Why would that be different different than the beef industry? Why would that be different right now? Because massive industry. Right, so it's not just the beef industry. It's also the grain industry because a large, a significant portion of the money that the grain industry makes is in feeding,

cattle, and pigs and stuff like that. So if you produce corn and wheat and all these other grains, you are also selling a lot of that to the cattle industry. And so you have the grain industry and the beef industry working together to maintain the status quo, which is grass, excuse me, grain fed beef. And I mean, that's speculation, but look, it's not a hard one to make

and it's not a stretch. We've seen this, I don't know how many times in different industries. So then what is true then that we do know? Because don't we know that it changes the fatty acid profile? So there's some evidence to show that the fatty acid profile changes, that the nutrient profile changes, but that's what we know it a test for. There are other things that we don't know necessarily what to test for. And here's what I always go back to. What is the natural food of cattle? Right? It's not grain, it's grass. And so if humans evolved eating animals,

which we did, we evolved eating animals that evolved to eat particular types of food. And if we change anything in that chain, the odds are it's not gonna be ideal based off of these thousands and thousands of years of evolution. Now that's a speculation, but so far it's proven to be pretty accurate with most things. You know what I'm saying? Like if you take a human and you feed them in a way that we have a pretty good idea

that we evolved to eat, then they're probably going to be healthier. It's funny, I was just watching another great documentary series. I recommend everybody on Amazon Prime. It's called Man or Mankind. I think it's Man or Mankind, the story of all of us. And it starts from the beginning of humans until we're present time and technology shows the evolution.

Well, I don't know if you guys knew this, but the earliest days, the skeletons that we have of the early, early hunter-gatherers in Africa, this is thousands and thousands of, more than 10,000 years ago, they were on average two inches taller than the average American is today. Back then.

Now, why? Well, the fucking diet, probably, they didn't eat, you know, what they ate was that hunter-gatherer diet, and it made them healthier, and they had better teeth, they studied their teeth, they had better. Now a lot of people died because of, you know, disease or injury, but if they didn't get disease or injury, they lived a decent life and they, again, they were taller and stronger. Then when the agricultural revolution, it's called mankind, really, really good.

Then they had the agricultural revolution, which is about 10,000 years ago, where we discovered that if we plant seeds, we can create plants, and now we can, we don't have to, we don't have to roam, we can stay on one area, but now our diet is severely limited. The average height of humans significantly dropped, and you see a bone density went down, teeth got worse, people got shorter, and now people after the agricultural revolution. After the agricultural revolution. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, so like when Christopher Columbus and when, you know, when all these explorers came to the, you know, quote unquote, new world, they noticed that the people here were taller.

And so a lot of that has to do with diet. And so I'm using that example because I think that applies to everything. So if you eat an animal and that animal is not eating what it's evolved to eat, then you're probably not ideal. And so grass fed, and there's some evidence to suggest that this is actually the case, and most of the health and wellness experts that have a lot of integrity will tell you

the quality of your food matters, and when they refer to quality, they mean organic and grass fed or if it's fish, it's wild and all that stuff. So there, I think there is a big difference. I personally can feel and tell the difference when I only grass fed versus when I only grained fed and I feel it in terms of inflammation. It's mainly how I... What do you think is going to happen when, so you guys know that, lane's going on Joe,

right? Yeah. Oh yeah. It's coming up this, I think it'll make Dom Diagostino. Is Dom gonna be there too? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know. I don't know if they're having kind of a, I think Joe just wants a really small,

he doesn't want somebody to kind of back him up or like have a countering opinion. Right, I think that's the reason why he has Dom coming. Although, I don't think it can go. It can go. Well, they're friends, too. So that, I think that's why it's probably gonna work out fine with Lane and having DOM to get out of here.

Cause they're already like. We'll see, dude, if Joe starts hammering on sugar and Lane speaks up against that, then there'll be a nice little argument. Yeah, no, I know. And Rogan is always anti-sugar. Yeah. Yeah, I know it's gonna be interesting to see it and hear it, because we all know Lane stands for sure. And I know. Rogan is always anti-sugar. Yeah. Yeah, I know it's going to be interesting to see it and hear it because I know we all

know lane stance for sure and I know Joe stance. It'll be interesting to see and I know lane has been wanting to go in on him for a minute. So he's been, I know, he's been howling. He's been choking Joe for a long time and ever since that one guy was his name, that was, that was a journalist. Yeah. What's the name to be Gary Talbs yeah so like yeah Lane's been salivating to get on there and like debunk everything he's he said you know about sugar he better be careful dude Joseph

fucking hell of an interviewer he's dude he you know Joe's very intelligent like people like it I mean and he puts out there a lot of times like oh I'm just you know this ape or I don't really understand, you know, what you guys are talking about. He understands, you know, and it's like he does his research and he really like brings people on that have relevance right now

and he does his research of like, you know, training topics. And- Well, people think that just because they're gonna be on a massive show, like Joe Rogan's show, that that's gonna dramatically propel their exposure and career in a positive way. That's only true if you do a good job. If you do a bad job, if you get on the Rogan podcast and you do a shitty job, it could do the opposite.

It could actually crush you. So you have to get on there and be able to do a very good job and come across. Here's a deal. My advice to Lane and you know, soften up. And I think Lane will do this because Lane's a smart guy is you have to be likable. So you can't just be right. Yes. You can be right and be not likable and you'll and you'll get nothing out of the lesson. There's a hard lesson for a lot of these guys who are very polar. You know, and they're very hard stance, you know, with with their whatever, you know, their argument is and what they're coming in with. And so this is, I think it's like a humbling experience.

Well, this is where I think Joe's a fucking ninja, bro. He, but this is where Lane better tread lightly because I'm, I think I know Joe well enough to know that he's going to be the type of person who will poke at, at Lane's insecurities and stuff that he sees or he knows about. Yeah. If Lane tries to come too hard. So Lane better come with it right. Or I know I think Joe will lead him in a way that'll make him look really bad.

So it's like dude, it's not about just being right dude. Getting on this podcast and just being the guy with, yeah exactly, to be in the guy with more science and more information doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna be a great, isn't it? But it could go great too. It could go absolutely great. So we'll see, we'll see what happens.

You know what was great was Elon Musk. Oh my God, that was my favorite episode he's done yet. Can we talk a little bit about that? Because I watched it finally to the day and the part- You're such an eccentric guy. I'm fucking love that guy. One of the things that I was really intrigued

by him talking about was referring to us as cyborgs already. Yeah. And how, right, you know, it is true. Because you could automatically reference anything. Yeah, the only already smarter. The difference is you just can't connect to it fast enough. It's very limited because it's through your fingers and typing. That's the only difference. And so, and thinking about that, like, when you think about all these possibilities,

the AI in which direction are we going to destroy? Or is that like what's the most likely how we will use this tool? And it's kind of exciting to think that we may be able to in the future implement this, you know, super fast Google type system connected to our brain that allows you to be able to access correct information because you'll be able to, it'll be aggregated for you already. And so think about all the stupid conversations

and arguments and debates that become eliminated because you become hyper or aware because now if you don't know from your own personal experience, you can draw right from this. These analytics really quick and it's like arguments solved. Like, bro, we, you know, all we have to do is search it really quick.

It's gonna be an interesting, very interesting. It's gonna be an interesting. It's gonna be very interesting. It's gonna be an interesting problem because it'll either polarize people even more or people will become so empathetic to each other because we'll understand each other better. Yeah. So it can go either directly. That's how I feel.

I feel it'll be positive. I think that people. I do too, because I think the smarter we become, the more empathetic we become. I think the people that are formed. Yeah, the more informed you are and educated you are, I think the more likely you are to be empathetic to other people.

Historic, history would say that you're right. So far, historically, the more connected we've become, the easier we can communicate with each other, the more we progress in terms of being peaceful, helping each other, trade with each other, the world becomes smaller. So if you go back 5,000 years, the neighboring towns would hate each other the world becomes smaller. So you know if you go back, you know, five thousand years You know the neighboring towns would hate each other and then the world got a little smaller

Now it's like okay, we're all in the same state So we're all friends, but we don't like the other state and then it became countries and then it became regions and at some point It's just gonna be the world, you know where humans are just gonna connect with each other so quickly that it's not gonna be this Races or regions and stuff like that. That's what I think too. But one thing that Elon said that, and he brought up a great point, because he's always feared AI, and I've always not feared AI,

but a point he made was really good is that he's afraid humans will use AI to fight each other. Well, and that's true. Well, let's be honest. It's more likely to go there first, and he's the arms race. You see China, like really, pressing hard to get to their first.

And I don't know if like everybody else is realizing, the importance of that and how significant that is, if whoever gets their first, like it has the ability to program and tap into that AI, that's gonna be a significant advantage. It'll be, I mean, if you have the ability, think about the ultimate power that that would provide to people,

if it gets in the wrong hands, and of course you could start, you could start wars and not risk yourself, you know what I'm saying? Or you just shut them down. You can literally just shut people down and be like, do what I say, because I gotta have all the power. Right, I don't know, it's kind of scary.

But anyway, that interview was awesome. He's an eccentric person. I fucking love him. And I love how everybody freaked out that he smoked a joint. I love that, yeah. Nobody, what the fuck? He's drinking whiskey the whole time, nobody cares.

He takes one hit off of a joint, I don't even think he inhaled. Everybody loses them. He was just like just being cool and like hanging out. Now I've heard rumors that he did that strategically. To lower the price of the stock to buy it back. Yeah, that's what I, That's what that would be brilliant. That is brilliant. I see, but I like to have even more of that's a case.

Which is ironic, because I know he's in a case, he just won his case, right? So he just won a case recently from SEC trying to get him from manipulating the stock, which I think you can get in trouble. Again, of course, doing something like that. I don't know if that's a good strategy or not, though, like to do that.

I don't know if that's... It's probably... I, like to do that. I don't know if that's... It's probably... I've heard mixed. I think he's probably just an eccentric guy. Yeah, I don't think that was his. I think he's not even thinking that. He just went for it. He just went for it and did it.

I just like he dug a hole. He's like, fuck it. I'm just gonna dig a hole. I just love the mentality of it. I'm not asking for the rules and regulations and, you know, city ordinance and whatever, like it's on my property. I'm going to dig a fucking hole and then just keep going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I did have some empathy for him with like the stuff that he's battling

with all the lawsuits and people suing him for Teslas breaking down. It's like the guys on a mission. But he's winning, though. I know. I know. He's on a mission to to make things safer and better for people, meanwhile, getting sued. Statistically, it's already proven more safe for all these. He's like a TV or movie genius. Like, he's like the stereotype of a movie genius where he's kind of eccentric,

really wants to help the world kind of weird, you know, tormented by the fact that he's so brilliant because he actually eluded many times to, he's like Tony Stark. The fact that he was, he kind of tormented by it. Like his mind doesn't shut down, it doesn't want to shut down. But it's, he's like Tony Stark. The fact that he was, he's kind of tormented by it. Like his mind isn't shut down, it doesn't want to shut down. But it's, he's a lore, it's an alluring character that he is and a fucking, definitely the number one person

I would like to meet who's alive today in the world. Yeah, for sure. No one person, for sure. He's very, I feel like I could sit in a room with him and just, just fucking be enamored by the dude. He so, it draws me in because he's such a smart dude. And he's so, he's so, he's just who he is. He's definitely the nervous.

Yeah, fucking great. How about, I mean, how about just totally debunking the, even the possibility of us having flying cars? Like because that, for the longest time, I thought like that was where we're going to go. Like we're, you know, I mean, after back to the future, it's like this makes sense. We're going to back to where we're going to be flying in cars in the next 20, 30 years, and then now go and like, oh shit, you're so right.

That would never work. Yeah, it would never work because of that. It would crash into each other and crash in your house. Yeah, it's just all kinds of, it's so problematic. But then to solve this is to do these tunnels. I didn't even think that way. Either like, wow solve this is to do these tunnels. Like, it didn't even think that way. Either like, wow, you know, being able to do that would make, we get rid of all the problems.

Go away now. You know what, maybe I was actually listening to it. How funny is this? We're driving back and we're in a little bit of traffic. And I'm listening to Elon Musk talk about this exact topic and I'm going like, wow, are we going to look back in like 20 years and go like, like, how fucking stone age we were having to sit in traffic. Like you believe you sat in traffic for a while?

Like that's just ridiculous. That was so stupid of us. We decided to make these two dimensional roads in a three dimensional world. And that we all were forced on this one little path when we could have went down or built that way. We can increase our speed exponentially. Right.

Just like putting it on the tube. That's because the roads are built by the state. That's why if the roads were, if they were private and people are gonna piss off of me, if they were private and companies competed for your money to drive on the roads, I fucking guaranteed you traffic would have been solved by that.

Now some roads are private. Yeah, but the regulations on them is so limited that it doesn't, if it was legit, like you could do whatever you wanted and people could just pay to go on your road or whatever, you would definitely see competition. You would see people, you would see these businesses compete and one of the main ways they compete is come take our roads,

there's no traffic and people would be like, no problem. That would be the first thing about this way. What's the number one market demand for roads? Think about that. Getting to where you wanna get as fast as possible. So they have to solve that because they have to compete with each other. But because the roads are owned and controlled by the state,

there's no competition. So traffic is fucking traffic. You just gotta deal with it, you know what I'm saying? Total waste. Absolutely. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition.

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No, I don't think it every size. But you saw that recent Cosmopolitan. Did anyone read it? I didn't read it. I just saw the cover. Damn it. What if I don't think it every size, but you saw that recent Cosmopolitan. Did anyone read it? I didn't read it. I just saw the cover. Damn, I'm not sure what it's about. One of us should have read it. You know what? I just paid no attention to because of that so silly. Yeah, but I should have read it just so we could talk a little bit, a little bit deeper into it, but this has been going on for a while now. Yeah, I think, I think you can have better health at any size, but you can't. Yeah, you had health.

See, here's where I could argue it, right? You can be somebody a hundred pounds overweight, someone like this girl in the cosmos, and be healthier than somebody who is super lean. So I do agree with that. Sure. If you're somebody who, if that, just because you're skinny, right?

And you run a lot, like, how about running? There you go, you could be someone who's addicted to running, you under eat, so you're malnutrition. Yeah, borderline, you do drugs, you have poor relationships with your friends and family. I mean, that person is extremely unhealthy compared to the person who's carrying a hundred pounds of fat on their body.

And now that all being said, you know, here's a deal with body fat. At some point, it doesn't matter how healthy you are, carrying that much extra weight is a stressor. It's a stressor on the body. First off, fat is a hormone-sensitive tissue. So it will change how your body reacts in response to hormones. It is inflammatory at a certain level. And you are carrying a lot of extra weight on your body. It's a vegetable signal for unhealthy. Right.

To be unhealthy. And I think that we've all strained away from that because of the fact that psychologically, it is better to, in terms of like, okay, if I want to love myself, that's a very important quality to have. You know, and so I think that, you know, starting with that and owning that and wanting to work out. But now redefine that. Like how do you really love yourself?

Exactly, because let's be clear here, if you're 80 pounds overweight, you're not really taking care of yourself in some way. You're just not, I mean, the human body. Well, what you're doing is you're feeding an addiction that you're in denial, that you have an addiction. And just because it's not drugs and it's food in this situation, it's different.

That's right. So if you're carrying yourself a hundred pounds overweight, there's a mental, there's a mental dysfunction. You are addicted to food. I don't care how the fuck you draw it up. Like you are, you're addicted to food. You are eating way more than your, way more energy than your way more

energy than your body is burning off and needing and therefore you are addicted to it bottom line that's all there's no ifs ups and about it can you love yourself hundred pounds of weight absolutely and we talk about this all time that full health isn't just physical health it's spiritual health it's mental health there's other aspects of health. And so you can be in a very good mental place and be overweight like that person. You can be, you can love yourself and have good relations and meditate and do a lot of other things,

but you're not addressing all of it. And there is something in there that's out of balance. And yes, you are not as healthy as you can be. Yeah, I had this discussion a long time ago with a family member who was, she's 80 pounds over a weight and obviously I've been in fitness for a long time. And we got into this little discussion about body weight and she's like, well, genetically this is just how heavy I am.

And I said, well, I said, look, genetics definitely can play a role, but genetics don't account for 80 pounds overweight. It just doesn't work out. It's also epigenetics. Well, there's that, but you're just eating too much and you're not moving. And you've done this for a long period of time. And the reason why you see families being overweight, like mom and dad are overweight, kids are overweight, grandparents are overweight, oh, it must be genetics.

No, you also learn your eating habits and your lifestyle from the family around you. So it's less your genes that you can't control more of your lifestyle. And if you, like I said, if you go back 100 years, you know, it was far more rare to find people that were even just 50 pounds overweight. Now why has that changed today? Well, people don't treat themselves the same way. Food is more available. It's more process. We move less. People don't take care of themselves in the same way or at least there's different problems. So food becomes like Adam was saying a drug and so it becomes

much more common. But to be that big and to say, I really truly love myself and take care of myself, that's not true. But here's the thing too, and this is important because I feel for people in this situation, just like I feel for anybody in a bad situation with something that is harming them, okay? Whether it be alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, it could be food, it could be anything.

I still have empathy for these people, but the thing in this particular situation is when you have an addiction to food, it's a very obvious outward, you know, visual representation. Like people do judge you based on how you look. I mean, it might not be politically correct to say, but it's a fact of life.

We create judgments on people based on the available information we have on them. So that includes, you know, when we look at them, that includes every conversation we've had with them, every phone conversation, text messages, how they behave with other people. We create this kind of persona. And when you appear to have like, you know, you're a hundred pounds overweight, people can consciously try not to make that judgment, but your brain subconsciously making these shortcuts. And one of them is this person has less self-control,

this person may have an issue, and that their health may not be ideal. And when in visual representations of health is what's known as aesthetic, that's what makes people more attractive. And you don't have to go extreme. I don't mean to think you need to be shredded or anything like that. But when your visual representation says not as healthy, people tend to subconsciously treat you differently. And it's just a fact of life. And so this also becomes a Contestion says not I not as healthy people tend to Subconsciously treat you differently and it's just the fact of life and so this also becomes a problem But I will say this and I feel for people like this Separate your body image from your self image. So you can definitely Love yourself and accept yourself and care about yourself

But you can also separate that from your body and say to yourself I haven't been treating my body very well. I need to do these things. Doesn't mean you hate yourself. I've talked about this for a long time. I don't think you should motivate yourself to lose weight based on hating yourself and finding yourself disgusting or whatever. That is a path down more dysfunction.

What are your guys' thoughts on the trainers and the dieticians who are embracing this? Irresponsible? I think trainers. Strong message. Yeah, is it weak? Or weak because you don't know how to speak to it, and so you just, it better use your- You're just coming to like cultural pressures, right?

So like the state of the culture has changed to where we're just trying to embrace everybody wherever they are for every fucking idea that they have. There's no discretion with that. Now, it's like, I don't know, for me, I have nothing but empathy. I have nothing but empathy for people that are trying to better themselves.

And I think that's where my lines sort of draw. It's like I have to discern, are they trying to improve themselves? Or is the message just, you know, we're accepting this and like, you know, the exaggerated version of this, you know, is on how, that's unhealthy. You know, I'm not accepting that as like,

just being honest, yeah, I'm just being honest. I think they need to just be honest. I look, I had lots of clients who, you know, came to me because they want to lose weight. And they didn't, and they didn't. They were training me for years, five years, six years, 70 pounds overweight because they did not want to change the main habits that caused them to be overweight.

Now, did I hammer them about it? No, but I was honest, when that conversation would come up, I'd be very honest with them. But I also knew that them coming to see me two or three days a week was, and eating poorly, was much better than then not seeing me eating poorly. So it wasn't like I was angry, they're still doing something and they're healthier because they're doing that something, but when the conversation would come up, I was very honest, I wouldn't berate them or hammer them, I would literally be honest with them

and say, look, you're doing everything right in terms of exercise, we still need to work on nutrition. Your health has improved because you've done these things. However, there's a certain, at some point, if you want to continue to improve your health, or reduce your risk of long-term disease, and increase your, and improve your quality of life, at some point, this is something that we should tackle,

and I'm here for you when you're ready. And that was it. Yeah, I'm on both sides of it, because I think that, you know, to Easter room, if you are okay with that, and you, and you, like, if it doesn't bother you that you can't go on a hike in Maui, you know, you just got, you were supposed to go to Hawaii, right?

And you're, how fun is it? Yeah, I know you've done the big trip where you hike up to go to the water. You can't fit in any seat. Right, you can airplane. So if these things don't bother you enough to want to change for it, and you want to just accept where you're at,

and you love food so much that you are willing to stuff your face so much that it may actually take years off your life, or actually less improve your quality of your life with hiking and things that are physically mounted. If all that stuff doesn't matter to you, then who am I? Then absolutely love yourself except yourself where you're at. But then you have to own those consequences too. I mean, there's with everything that we do,

there is some sort of a consequence that comes with that. And if you're okay with those consequences, because I'm okay with those consequences. Like that's so as a dietician or a trainer speaking to somebody who's happy, well, I'm not trying to change you. It's not my job isn't to change you. My job is to help you. And so, help yourself. And if that's where you want to go. That's a professional in the field,

but if you're asking my professional opinion, I'm gonna lead you towards more of a healthy practice. But I'm not trying to judge you as far as like where you feel like you're most happy. Well, that's you, that's you. It's like how we talk about our drugs. I mean, I keep going back to the drug thing with food. I think it's so closely related.

I mean, if somebody wants to get high every single day and it doesn't hurt me, then by all means, fuck and do it, it's your life, you know what I'm saying? I don't have, I'm exactly where you are at them. The problem becomes when they make it, everybody else's problem. So what I mean by that is, you're, let's say you're, you know, you're 350 pounds

and you go on a plane, you don't fit in the seat. The plane, the airline says you have to buy two tickets, you sue the airline for discrimination. Right, no. No, it's not discrimination, it's just logistics. No, I'm gonna chose to live that way. Yeah, that's your, or they sue a fast food company, or they sue whatever, or they want free healthcare to take care of their health

for decisions that they've made for them. All these things, that's what really gets on my, that's what pisses me off, because it's your life and I get it, and it's not a problem, and I'll always respect that, but it's not everybody else's life, so don't force it onto other people.

And impose it. Yeah, and what's happening with this body acceptance thing, there's a lot of positives to it, but there can also be a negative spin where you might have a lot of people who are like, oh, cool, I'm gonna completely destroy my body and continue living this way because I need to accept myself.

There may be actually cases like that where people feel like that's the direction they need to go because they may be shunned, no joke. They may be shunned from saying things like, you know what, I really want to lose weight. No, don't do that, you know, you're great how you are this and that. And again, it's confusing body image with self image, you see what I'm saying? Because I think just because you're overweight doesn't mean you're a bad person, just because you're, you know, whatever your health is an ideal doesn't mean you're a bad person, should be treated like a bad person.

But you do have a body that is not healthy, separate the two, because when we combine is when we tend to get problems. I have a problem more with someone like Cosmo, magazine, putting it out there like that. So that's, I have less of the, they've been promoting poor health forever though. It's not just, yeah.

Any other end of this back to you. Yeah, like, like, that's the part that got on my nerves. Like, everybody's up in arms because they have an obese model, but they've been having these anorexic heroin, you know, looking girls forever. Yeah, it is. It's true. Yeah, it is, those look like.

And they're promoting these incredibly insane body image ideals where these women are cartoonish. Most women don't look like that. And so, you know what, you know, it's not like Cosmos ever promoted anything that's accurately healthy or good for people to read. That is funny. They went from one extreme to the other extreme.

Yeah, it's all been shitty. And it's look, at the end of the day, consumers gonna dictate what Cosmos gonna promote. So, if the consumers like it, then they'll buy it, and they'll make more of it, if they don't, then they won't. So anytime someone complains about that kind of stuff I just say look don't buy it and see if they continue making it but I guess enough people are doing it Yeah, to make this the met the message right next question is from biofee Lee do the strength the muscle gains from

Creatine go away after you stop using it at the same dosage Yeah, a lot of people ask this question because of the, it's kind of a hard one to answer though. Well, you know what, this used to be a hard one to answer, but now we have literature to show, you know, what happens long term with creatine. So the reason why people ask this question is when you first start taking creatine, if it agrees with your body, because there's a small percentage of people that will take creatine and won't get anything from it or lips at their stomach, but if you're like 80 something percent of the population,

and you take creatine, you'll feel fine from it. And what ends up happening is you, creatine gets converted to the primary source of muscle or cellular energy known as ATP, and especially for explosive type movements. It burns up very quickly, but it burns very hot. And so this is the energy used when you're sprinting or you're lifting heavy weights or anything

that involves a lot of power. Power of minutes here. That increases in your muscles, along with that comes more water because for every ATP molecule, I think another water, like a water molecule has to follow it or something like that. So when you take creatine initially,

you gain weight right away. For an average male who's maybe 160 to 170 pounds, expect three to five pounds on the scale. For the average female, that's probably one to three pounds. Now it's not muscle necessarily. It's water retention. But it's not, it's not below. Yeah, it bloat, but it's not bloat

because bloat is water outside of the muscle. So think of a balloon in your muscle being a balloon. It fills up the balloon more. So your muscles feel bigger. They feel fuller. Doesn't take away definition. Doesn't make you look closer or hydrated. Yeah.

And so you're gaining this extra water and glycogen and all these other things in ATP within the muscle. And that's where you get these immediate, literally within. If you start taking creatine today, you can expect to gain some weight, intra-muscular weight within the first week or two. That's how fast that happens. Then if you stay on it for a month

and then you go off of it, the three pounds you gain will be gone. And so people say, well, did I actually gain any muscle? Well, first off, there's another piece to this I forgot to mention. You do get stronger right away as well for more of that ATP. So you do get strength gains. But if you stop taking it after about a month, the strength gains tend to go away. And so does the weight. And so people think,

oh, is is creating just this temporary thing. And the we didn't have evidence to prove one way or the other. But a lot of people thought and speculated, well, it may contribute to faster muscle growth, solid muscle growth if you take it long term. That was a speculation. Well, we do have studies now that show that that actually happens. If you take creatine, the initial gain is water, the initial strength gains are more ATP, but it does accelerate an increased muscle protein synthesis, which is the building of muscle

fibers. There's an indirect fat burning effect that happens from creating as well, probably because your muscles are operating at a higher capacity. And so if you take it over the course of a year and let's say due to the creatine you gain seven pounds, then you stop taking it, you might lose three pounds of the water, but you gained four pounds of muscle, which may be another two pounds over what you would have gained anyway. It was an also a tag win.

It's a net win. There's a cognitive boosting effect, too. Yeah, so the cognitive boosting effects. I thought that's only if you're somebody who lacks the amount of creating that you would need from like your normal diet, it's like a vegan or something. Vegan's get the biggest cognitive boost from creating,

just because they're not getting it. Because now your body can produce its own ATP from amino acids, but creatine itself is found in animal too. What I've always been interested in is, if you're somebody who gets adequate amount of meat and beef, especially because that's where it's mostly found in, right? I think I read somewhere a 12 or a 14-ounce steak has about three grams or so of creatine. Give it take. I think it's a pound of ground.

Something like that. I know it's in that range. Give it take somewhere around there. If you're somebody who is eating a pretty high red meat diet for the most part, I would think that you're getting enough creatine in that it wouldn't make a big difference if you were supplementing it. Or is it on top of that still that will give you a boost? You're likely to get a boost. So two pounds of beef will give you five grams of creatine.

That's a lot of meat, right? Most people gain a benefit from taking creatine because our muscles capacity to store ATP is usually not tapped out. Even if you eat a decent amount of meat. Really the only way to know is to supplement from it and see if you get a benefit, really. But I think most people in the study show, it's the most consistent, you know, gains producing supplement out there, hands down, bar none.

There is no supplement that comes up. With the least amount of side effects that you would see. Oh, I mean, that's another, that's a whole nother conversation. Just in gains, there isn't a single non hormonal, so like obviously steroids will, will, will be creating, but there isn't a single muscle building supplement that is even in the same universe as creating in terms of gains, a strength, and muscle, not even close. You can take all the, acids and exotic supplements and protein powders that you want. None of them are going to produce the immediate and pretty much

consistent guarantee types of strength and muscle gains that you will from creatine. Now it's from a safety standpoint. So far, extremely safe. Unless you have some kind of renal disease or kidney type issues, there seems to be no issues whatsoever. It's now, there's even science now showing that creatine is an antioxidant for the body, good for the heart, and it's good for the brain in terms of longevity. So now they're finding that people with supplement with creatine long term have lower rates of things

like dementia and Alzheimer's. In fact, there's now some doctors that are suggesting that maybe people with those conditions should supplement with creating. So it's becoming this like awesome supplement that most people should take, you know, just to benefit their health. Overall health, not just performance driven,

muscle building. Yeah, it's becoming like a health supplement that people should take. I personally have been taking great team, almost nonstop since I was 16. Well, I stopped for quite a while. I mean, that was my first supplement that really worked, you know, that I tried that with like way protein,

but then I eliminated it because once I reintroduced it, I got a little bit of stomach ache, but I mean, it really worked for me for quite a while, but I haven't used it in the years. You guys remember the first time you took Crate Team? Yeah. Man, first time for me, I bought EAS made Fospha Gain, which was a protein powder with Crate Team in it.

Oh, so it's mixed in already? Yeah, because then they had Fospha Gen, which is just a Crate Team. And they had Fospha in already. Yeah, because then they had phosphogen, which is just a great head. And they had phosphogen HP. Yeah, which is a sugar. That's right. And I remember, I could just remember all of it. I would weigh myself all the time, right?

See how much weight I've gained, see how much weight I've gained. And if I get, and I used to have to stuff my face that you've been gained a half a pound. And I remember taking phospha. I do cell tech, I think. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I was taking phospha gain. And I remember all my left one up, five to 10 pounds,

with like a week and a half. Yeah, and I gained five pounds on scale. I drew my mom. Yeah, blew my mind and the pumps were insane and all that stuff and I never really stopped. Yeah, it does and it's It's pretty inexpensive. I guess your biggest risk with Crayteen is if it's not from a good source because there's definitely been Independent. You don't know what I want to do as and I actually why we were talking I put it and put a note right now, because I've been trying to get on a call with Organified, I've talked about some other stuff, but I just put this on this,

we should make them make CREATINE, and we should label it under us. We talk enough positive stuff about it. We don't have a reliable, just purely CREATINE source. We have no desire to get into the supplement game with all the other performance bullshit supplements that are out there. And it's hard. We've always talked highly about creatine specifically But that's it. It's hard because most people that sell creatine they also sell all the other eight things that are popular right now

Superlose is mixed in there. Yeah, right? So I'm like, you know, it'll be cool is if I can convince Organify that there's there's enough of a more especially them because they have a vegan protein too So I would think it would be a great complement to their business model already. Yeah, I'm gonna work on that for a while. It's the one that puts a pressure on them. It's the one supplement I recommend. It can feel a heat to most people.

But if you're a vegan, if I ever trained you and you were a vegan, we would have nice conversations on that because I would really try and get, and whenever my vegan clients would take protein, that was like night and day, man. Night and day, didn't work. Well, is there a reserve for them to take it? Because is it animal derived?

It's all, oh, that's a good question. That's a very, very good question, Justin. I don't know. Maybe some vegans don't wanna take a protein because it's from animal sources. I know, like some of them are very, like, you know, like, dogmatic about like where the source comes from. Wow, that's a great, I have no idea.

I don't know, I'll find out. Okay. Next up is more JoJo. What do you mean when you say a gym has a good culture or vibe? What should fitness managers and personal trainers do to create a good culture? So funny, this is a question that you picked out

because I was at, and I'm gonna shout out these guys, I wish I remember exactly their address so I could give them some real love, but we went to, we drove into Salinas, which is like, you know, Bumfuck Egypt to go work out because I was like the closest. Like I wanna go to like a good sized gym, I didn't wanna, I can't do the hotel gym,

like Sal can do. And so I took a train, I'm like, let's go find like a really good, you know, golds or something and we found golds and went there. And I, and I, the, the owner, the GM, wasn't the owner, the GM was in there and there was about four or five trainers working there. And just from the moment we walked in the facility

to the moment we left, I even made sure I complimented him on the way out and said, and I did a post and just, you know, to set great vibes here. And the culture is just really nice. And what you could tell is everything from the front desk to the management, to the staff, the trainers that work there, to the people on the floor. And I can feel this because I've been in this industry for so long.

I can feel the good culture and a good vibe the moment I walk in. As I can feel a bad one. And you know, it's like what you talk about. And when you think, so what we mean by culture or vibe like that, first of all, like, it all starts from leadership, right? So from the top down, when people have bad experience things, it's, it's, we have the same.

There's no such thing as bad clubs, only bad managers. And it's so true that if you've got a guy or a girl at the top who is an incredible leader that is selfless, that puts a staff or her staff above themselves, that cares about their club, they take ownership of it, they keep it clean, they talk to their members, they care about what their members think, you can fucking feel that, you can feel it as soon as you walk in. Yeah, it trickles down. It does.

It's the way people interact, the front desk It does. And it's the way people interact. The front desk interacts with me. It's the way the staff comes by and interacts with me. It's the way the members interact with each other. There's this beautiful mutual respect. And it takes time to build a culture. Like you can't just walk in a gym as a manager and all of a sudden just expect it like,

oh, I'm gonna change this culture. Like it takes time to change culture. It takes time to change the vibe. And it really starts with the leader, the person who's running the facility. And it does. It trickles down to the rest of them. I would say to simplify and kind of,

and there's a lot that goes into this. So this is not a simple, easy thing, like Adam's saying. But to simplify what creates a good culture of vibe. If the staff enjoys working and being there, and if the staff cares about the business or the club, if you have that, if the team that works there, all enjoy working with each other and enjoy working there,

and actually care about the business, you will have, typically you'll have a great culture and a great vibe. And you know this, in any business, how many times have you gone to a restaurant? And you walk in and the people there don't seem to like their job. They don't seem to like to work there

or they don't like each other. You can feel it, feel sterile or feel dry or sometimes it feels negative. On the flip side, if you've ever gone to a restaurant where the owner comes out and introduces himself, the waiters smile, you can see the waiters talking to each other, having a great time, people, or you can tell they genuinely want to work there. It creates a far different vibe. Well, that's much more powerful in a gym. Remember, a gym is something that you visit on a, hopefully, on a consistent regular basis. So, it's not like a

restaurant in the sense that most people don't go to the same restaurant every week. Some people do, but most of the time you don't, right? With the gym, you're going there if you're consistent between two to four days a week, every single week, you're going to pick up on whether or not the staff wants to be there. You're gonna pick up on the drama between the staff.

You're gonna pick up on whether or not the staff actually gives a shit about the business. Like, you know, when a my telltale signs with my teams when I would run gymses, if they walked by a piece of trash on the floor, did they just naturally pick it up? That would tell me right there, like they value the facility, they value what we're doing here. They all want to work here as part of a team. But that starts again with the facility, the value, what we're doing here, they all want to work here as part of a team.

But that starts again with the leader, the one who's implementing that, right, who's teaching them all to care about this place as if it's there, because that's as a manager, that it's a challenging situation to hire somebody who's making minimum wage, or even a trainer who's making an hourly or a commission base off of a client who's there to get them to think of the club as theirs. And I used to always teach my trainers that like you guys are in such a cool, even though you work for this company, you really work for yourself and this is your gym. Like this is your gym.

And I mean, we all share it together, but it's really yours and to create that ownership in each one of your staff members is so important because if you can get them to treat it as if it is theirs, like Salah saying, then somebody who's not respect, we had a poor-turtle, we had people that were hired to clean the bathrooms. So it isn't my trainer's job or my front desk's job

to go pick up a piece of paper or toilet paper that's on the bathroom floor, it's not their job, but when they care about the place and they wanna make it nice and they want the experience of the members to be good because they now have taken ownership, they do those little things. And it's amazing when you have done a good job as a leader

to have implemented that type of a culture in the entire facility, it bleeds into your members, and then you have members that do that shit. And I'll send the member, you know? I love watching like a good place where you go or the members literally like regulate each other, right? So like I know sometimes I'll be in a culture where it's like,

you know, you get some of the guerrillas in the back and they're very like aggressive and like, you know, like they're not very inviting like it's like, you know, you get some of the gorillas in the back and they're very aggressive and like, you know, they're not very inviting. Like it's very intimidating to where you'll see that same type of like huge, you know, unapproachable guy that's like super friendly, you know, talking to everybody, helping everybody out. Like everybody's racking weights together,

but they're all like checking somebody that comes in with this ego,, this attitude like right away. Oh, there's some gems you can go into and if you don't rack your weights, the members, well, you don't even, the staff, the members just go out. The members come tell him that can you move your mind, put your hands down. Right, right. So it's funny we're here too, because this is literally this happened to me and that I had this moment. So I was at, um, this is two days ago, we come back and we went to OCK, which is one of my favorite restaurants in San Jose. It's over in Campbell area.

It's fucking amazing. It's farmed to play. Uh, the vibe is dope inside there. The food is amazing. The environment's sick. The bathroom is always spotless and clean and smells good. I love it. For me, when I go to a restaurant and the restroom smells like good, like, I'm like, that's

fucking rad because you're in a place of eating and then to have a restroom that stinks is just gross. They're actually eating here. So, the vibe is like, and this is a regular place. I'm on there all the time. So, I'm in there this weekend. I go to the bathroom. I'm washing my hands and I try it off and I go to throw in the thing and one of the

towels with the paper towel, mist the trash. And I actually turned to walk away. Like it just kind of missed it. And it was kind of in this like hard corner to go get after I threw it that way and it missed. And I stopped in my tracks and I caught myself and I went over and I reached down to pick it up and I threw it in the trash.

And you know, if and I have to admit being completely honest, if it was a place that I probably didn't give two shit about, I would have just walked out. I would have, I would have a place that I probably didn't give two shit's about, I would have just walked out. I would have just said, I fuck, I missed a trash, but who cares? There's fucking graffiti on the wall. There's shit on the floor right here.

Staff is pissing on the walls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody gives a fuck anyways. Like there's already a mess in here, no one's taking care of it, but because the place was so clean and taken care of that I was the first one to potentially put a blimish on the bathroom. It I felt compelled to turn back around and grab it and throw in the trash.

This reminds me of I just totally I completely forgot about the story and it just all reminds me of you know years ago I remember when I was managing gyms for 24 my VP came in and you know we'd hang out sometimes and talk about business whatever and he said you know It's strange. She told me says you know what's weird. So he goes when you walk into a club You know you guys increase your sales and leads and blah blah blah blah stuff that I knew about But he also said what's weird is the the loss actually goes down significantly Every time you walk into a club now the loss for people who don't know what that means is this is like theft. Okay, so if you have supplements in a peril in a gym,

you always account for a certain percentage of it to just go missing. It's just the fucking fact of life, very sad, but it's true, this is true for any retail business. And they put a lot of things in place to try to stop that and whatever, yeah, LP, but it just happens, right? And so with these gyms, there was this consistent number that they would have for a club that

Okay, this is gonna be there's gonna be always three three thousand dollars with a loss or whatever and he's like you know It's weird so I was every time you walk into these clubs You guys produce more of this than that and he goes, but then what's weird is After a month or two the loss starts to go down and then you guys are almost losing nothing and he goes What are you doing to stop the theft? And so I think he thought that I was keeping an eye on people. Regulations out there. Yeah, or, you know, and I said, well, nothing.

I'm not doing anything. I'm just, I'm not even focusing on that. I think it's something I've ever thought about, to be honest with you. And I mean, I thought about it a little bit, but only if it got out of hand or, but that never happened, right? So I never thought of it.

And then I thought about this for a while, after he told me that's like, that's weird. He says it's happened consistently with every club that I've ever gone into. And then I thought back to myself when I was a kid, and I've only, I've only, I've only ever stole something once when I was a kid. I went inside of a, a craft store, and I stole a bunch of beads. This is back when he used to wear those stupid parkas that we wear. I had a 49er parker and we put beads on the, remember you put beads on the, on the hood strings or whatever? And I stole a bag of beads from the store and I felt a little guilty, but you know why I didn't feel super guilty? Because I don't know who I was stealing from.

It was Michaels. It's this fucking nameless corporation. It's this big place. Nobody really cares, right? Nobody cares, or whatever. And so I think the reason why my gyms had the amount of theft or whatever would go down isn't because people stopped wanting to steal. It's because they don't want to steal from me. So I'm saying, because it was, oh, you know what? I don't want to, this is like Sal's gym, and we all work together and we're a team.

It's very, very different versus when you just show up punching punch in and punch out. And it's this huge organization called 24-Fitness. They're not global, Jim. Yeah, nobody cares if I take a protein powder, I take a bar, I take a shirt. Nobody gives a shit. And so that's another way to see the cultures,

you know, can you leave your stuff unlocked? And does it still go missing? Can you leave the supplements out? Can you trust people with the facility and to watch how they take care of it? It's pretty, it's pretty fucking awesome and you can feel that culture as a customer. When you walk, here's a deal, okay? CrossFit has proven this by the way. CrossFit's proven this. You want to be a successful gym? It's all about the culture because CrossFit boxes, especially when they first started, they didn't

have a lot of fucking equipment. They had racks and barbells, they weren't nice, they were all in warehouses, many of them were not air condition, but it was the culture that was developed in the facility, because they were small, and especially initially there was a lot of passion behind it, people showed up, worked out, and they became, and they exploded, and gyms need to understand this,

and if you wanna have a successful gym, that is the key right there. You create a good culture, your sales, everything will do just fine. Even if you don't know the intricacies of sales and promotion, all stuff, you'll do much better just from having a good culture. Next question is from Ryan Aldoinda. If you had to guess each other's childhood TV crush, who do you think it would be? And after guessing who was your actual childhood team? So we have to crush each other. We have to crush. We have to we have to guess

each other's TV crush. Oh, yeah. So that's weird. Yeah. I think we all have a sitcom, right? So there was there was a few like notable sitcoms back in the day that I'm sure everybody watched. I think just throwing pain. I'm pretty sure Jess wanted to fuck Punky Brewster. Oh my God, bro, I'm scared of that. No. No. I was gonna say that. She wasn't like, no, she was like a tomboy dude.

You don't like Punky Brewster? No. No. Did you really think cool? If anything, it would have been more of that like Android chick. Oh my God, you can say that. I was gonna say that, small wonder.

Yeah, yeah. Is that the one that touches her fingers together? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. She was like a robot that would like lift her brother and like chuck things. Yeah, their dad is like the scientist and created this, this Android that site, you know, and Jesus' cute little girl. And wow, no, you're thinking of, fuck,

what's the one he's thinking of? Yeah, let's just one. That, her name was Evie. She would touch her fingers in a freeze time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you like to swing on a star? Yeah, yeah's this one. That her name was Evie. She would touch her fingers and freeze time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you like to swing on a star? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get it that girl.

Oh, man, that jar. Oh, that's cold. I remember the name of the nice world. Out of the world. That was the out of the world. It was. Well, great job there. Good job there.

That was good. So you like the girl from some older. I like Kelly Kepowski. Of course. Wow, come on. Of course. Oh, come on. Of course. Say by the bell. Say by the bell.

Say by the bell. Say by the bell. I think Adams was a, uh, uh, karma lecturer. That's so, I mean, I did like, I had a karma electric post. A coffee. Kathy Ireland. Pretty experienced it.

I had a huge, pretty spiritual. Yeah, we know that. I had a huge, pretty spiritual. Like massive. Yeah, massive. Like, to the point where I think back now that that oh wow, that's a little inappropriate. I'm 20 years old We're about like who's the boss. I think sales was who's the boss with what's her name? Oh, yeah, listen a lot Listen a lot. Oh for sure. Yeah. Oh for sure. Oh, yeah, I thought you thought Tony Danza was the fucking awesome The Tony Danza model. Oh, yeah, that guy was that's a good car car right there I could just see you just loving that

show oh I love it and I did like punky booster you name punky booster that was my crush oh yeah dude and you know what happened she was so like Tom Bush she was so cute I mean I was a kid oh yeah I was a young little kid you probably attracted the fact that she would probably play cars and trucks and ship yeah oh she's cool no, I had a very vivid imagination, even as young as the other cows. Oh my God, you're sick. Fuck.

I was terrible. I was terrible. But remember, so the actress that played punky booster, Salale Moon Fry, that was her name. So obviously your parents were hippies. But do you remember when all of a sudden she grew massive boots? Okay, there's another one to that list.

Do you remember Full House? So remember, it wasn't DJ, it was her sister. You don't like Kirk Cameron's sister? That was Kirk Cameron's sister, it was DJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. You like him, ugly friend? Listen, no, no, no, no. It was the sister with the blonde hair.

She ended up, I saw her on a Fuse TV as she was like a host of it or whatever, but she like blossomed. Did she really like wait? I was like whoa. Look at you. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just remember it. Shout out to whatever. I just remember punky Bruce or all of a sudden getting mass because her boobs got I don't know if you guys do this. Yeah. They got so big. She had to get a reduction, which is yeah. Oh really? Yeah. She had to get a breast reduction surgery, but here I am going through puberty with the show,

because I'm young, right? Oh my God. And now her boobs are growing and I'm like, oh, this got better. You know what I'm saying? I was like, what's happening?

Yeah, no, no, that's crazy. But what about the show Blossom? Which, yeah, she's kind of weird, right? But she was a little... Blossom? Remember, she was a little, no, you don't think so? She was a little out there. Okay. What about if you watch the cartoon Scooby-Doo? Yeah, were you more which did you like the you're the freak? You like you like the the glasses?

Velma Velma Come on man really dad dude. Yeah, you're freak isn't that weird? Yeah, I like I like I couldn't jerk off to a cartoon No, I never jerked off to I won't jerk off to a card. No, I like I never jerked off I won't say never. Yeah, so that Don't believe that I'm sure go bullshit. Come on dude. Just grab it. You didn't jerk off to her Everybody has I believe I tried yeah, I believe I tried Well, that's before porn was readily available.

That's what people understand. Why would you jerk off to that? There wasn't much. Yeah, there wasn't a lot. You got to get creative. Yeah, no, I bet you right now you could look up porn with frickin' Velma, Shaggy and Scooby. Pretty sure.

You could find a weird, you know. Doug was jerking off, say, I dream a genie, right? That's what, when they first started showing the belly button, that was a big deal of eating beads. right? And I love Lucy. Oh, I saw some ankle No, what about Daisy Dukes from Duce to Hazard? Oh That brings me right back the octave is dropped. Oh Daisy Dukes was it she was it that was I can't believe you picked this question Yeah, that was a good one or you had can't believe you've picked this question. Yeah, that was a good one.

Or you had the, what were they called, the Angels, Charlie's Angels? They were all frickin' fuckin' girls. What about three's company? Who was your girl on three's company? Oh, I did the blonde, 100%. You like Chrissy? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You liked her better than Janet, huh? Yeah, I was a Janet guy. I didn't watch enough for three's company. You did it? No, not a lot. It came on after before, show I really liked. I can't remember what it was before after that.

Like a Mr. Belvedere or something like that was what I can't do. Oh my God. Because then she came out with a thiamaster. She's in Summers, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like her whole like onesie like Spandex thing. And I was just like this kid just like, whoa. The girls that I actually owned like pictures and calend like, whoa. Yeah, the old, the, the, the girls that I actually owned,

like pictures and calendars of because, you know, I actually did have, and I didn't put them up on my wall because I was, I thought my will would be weird, but I did own the calendars, and they were, here's the three, like calendars that I had. That's not a thing anymore, huh? No, you get to go online. Why would you own a, this is cool?

Nobody has like a poster of like, you know, a girl in the wall, yeah. No, that was back in the day. I had three. So I should bring that back, I think to go online. Why would you own if nobody has like a poster of like, you know, a girl in the wall? Yeah, no, that was back in the day. I had so I should bring that back. I think that's I know, right? I was a teenage boy. So would do that. Bro, I in my you know, it's Imagine what my tropics, you know, I had all those imagine what my parents thought I had one small calendar of the on the wall of Kathy Ireland and then I had pictures of like Arnold Lufarino So roughly like all these of Kathy Ireland and then I had pictures of like Arnold Lufarino. So, I feel like, like, go look left. Oh, I look like a fish.

Oh, god, you fish. This is weird, weird guilt, I'm sorry. What have I done? I'm such a fan. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You have to, he's all conanjus. Yourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr to sing in the malls all the time. Tiffany. Tiffany. Those are the three, the three calendar posters. I'm embarrassed to admit that I had a whole room of posters of Britney. Even I had like a framed eight by 10 picture of her.

Hold on a second. We gotta make sure we go back into it. On the school girl outfit. You were not 15 or 12? I know, I did that's why it's embarrassing. You were 20? Well, I was like 18 to 20 somewhere in that range Let's I'm gonna figure that out. That was like TRL like total request live

Let me see let me see what was her first what was her first Well, I'm called remember this fucking school the little flannel thing Yeah, that was a little plaid skirt. That was game over for me. Let me I'm gonna look up the day Yeah, so her first album was was a baby one more time. It was baby, how old are you at them? I'm 37. Okay, so 1999. So that's almost, that's-

That's I'm a senior in high school. That's my senior in high school. That's 18 years old. Yeah, that's what I said. So I graduated at 17. I graduated high school at 17. That's the peak of your life. That's why I said I'm a little embarrassed about it, bro.

Come on, posters in your room. Yeah, dude, I did. That's great. I think I remember having it for the first year, I worked at 24 at Finland student, I thought, okay, I have a legitimate job, I make good money. I want to get posters. Yeah, where did you think in your mind,

like I'm going to meet her one day and totally. No, you didn't. So, I think I didn't like, you're like putting it out there. And you have so much, yeah, exactly. I had that kind of cop. And Adam has so much self-belief. Yeah.

He's like, I'm gonna make this happen. I'm gonna marry Tiberini. I to the point, too, where I didn't like Justin Timberlake just because he was with her, right? So I was anti him for so long. And then what sealed that for me was when he did Dick in the Box, then I was like, okay, this dude's cool. But up in that point, I didn't like it.

He lost the leg. Fuck that guy. Fuck that crossed the tip. Get in the way of. Wow. Who is that point, I didn't like it. He lost the like that guy. Fuck that. Frosty tip. Get in the way of. Wow. Who's that other girl that was right along that line? Like the at Bittany Spears and there was that other. Christine.

I go. Christine. I know. No, no, there was the other one. She I know her. But then there was the other one who did she was Daisy Duke and the new remake of Jessica Simpson. That she was. I think she trumps gorgeous all day long. She's gorgeous. I think she shit on her all day long. Yeah. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, watch it. That's horrible. That's gross. Sorry. Hey check this out. We have a new guide that is out for Developing muscular arms. So it's a free guide totally free. It's all about building and training arms and the myths

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