Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 863: Building Muscle with Static Moves, How Diet Affects Injuries, the Negative Effects of Yoga & MORE

Episode Date: September 21, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about static moves and their effectiveness for muscle buil...ding,  yoga's affect on weight training and recovery, if it is good to get your body fat percentage up every now and then if it is usually low and if a poor diet can lead to increased injuries.  The politics and drama of the Mr. Olympia 2018. (5:32) The current era of Bodybuilding, the importance of genetics & training natural vs. on steroids. (12:50) The pros/cons of building a social media presence around gaining people’s attention. (21:00) Being a student of the game, the benefits and effectiveness of training natural. (24:40) What was the formula behind Sal’s 3rd stint at his All Day Workout Experiment? (26:25) Classic Mind Pump banter, which is the oldest looking in the group? (31:30) PRO TIPS from the Mind Pump crew on training while on vacation. (32:45) The roasting of Sal’s “daisy duke” shorts. (36:35) Culture and the food that goes along with it. (38:30) Are you tired of spending your whole paycheck at grocery stores? The advantages of buying organic, non-GMO products at an affordable price from Thrive Market. (43:02) The science behind CBD’s effect on anxiety. (45:00) #Quah question #1 – Are static moves and effective for muscle building? (48:55) #Quah question #2 – Could yoga have a negative effect on my weight training and recovery? (1:00:16) #Quah question #3 – Is it good to get your body fat percentage up every now and then if it is usually low? (1:08:13) #Quah question #4 – Do you feel a poor diet can lead to increased injuries? (1:15:21) People Mentioned: Shawn Rhoden (@flexatronrhoden)  Instagram Phil Heath (@philheath)  Instagram 4x Mr. Olympia Physique Champ (@jeremy_buendia)  Instagram TeamWinklaar (@roellywinklaar) Instagram Flex Wheeler ® | Official (@officialflexwheeler)  Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: MAPS Fitness Products 2018 IFBB Olympia Results Mind Pump Episode 855: Flex Wheeler Ned **15% off first purchase** Thrive Market **Free 1 month membership, $20 off first 3 orders of $49 or more Plus free shipping** Inflammation: The Common Pathway of Stress-Related Diseases Vuori Clothing **25% off order** Four Sigmatic **Code “mindpump” for 15% off** Get our newest program, MAPS Strong, an expertly programmed and phased strongman inspired training program designed in collaboration with World’s Strongest Man competitor Robert Oberst to trigger new muscle building adaptations and get you STRONG. Get it at www.mapsstrong.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com.   You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com/mindpump Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Starting point is 00:01:13 We talk about the 2018, Mr. Olympia contest. Wow, things got shookin' up a little bit there. Yeah, Honeys boys all lost, kinda crazy. Then we talked about anabolic steroids and their effect on training, great bit there. Yeah, honey's boys all lost, kind of crazy. Then we talked about anabolic steroids and their effect on training, great discussion there. We talk about my third all day workout. I still love them, they work great.
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Starting point is 00:02:57 This is like tension moves or isometric type exercises. Do they contribute to physical performance and muscle development? Yes. Next question was... Next question. This person recently added yoga into their rest days and now started experiencing more injuries.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Is yoga good for injury prevention or is it bad? This part might trigger some people. Or is it both? Next question was, is it good to get your body fat percentage up every now and then? If it's usually pretty low, is there some merit to fat bulking once every once in a while?
Starting point is 00:03:32 Yeah, let's get fat. Hunter, you look pretty good, bro. Justin wrote a whole guide on this. I did. That's what you was. Bulk always. So number one down, that we got. Bulk always bulk.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Bulk, purrba bul book, and the final question, do we feel as if a poor diet can lead to increased injuries? If you eat something, if you eat a diet, that's not really that great for you. Are you gonna increase your risk of like back injuries and knee injuries? Is there a connection there?
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Starting point is 00:05:36 Everybody, so Phil Heath lost to Sean Rodin, who I believe that Sean Rodin looked better the last three years anyways. Like he and I in so much sharper, much sharper, cleaner line out of all the out of all the heavy weights. He has the least grout, uh, uh, growth hormone gut. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't have this put fruit, not as put your turtle shell. Yeah. And Phil Heath's got his dad. It started to grow. So last one didn't work. So when this, so got so competitive, okay. So got so competitive back and forth on their posing
Starting point is 00:06:09 that Phil was getting tired. And to me, that's why he lost. Was because he was getting tired and he was having a tightening up. Yeah, it relaxes gut a bunch of times. And when Sean kept himself tight the entire time next to him and it looked just Phil looked bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:23 He was a no brainer to me. I thought if they were going to give it to Phil would be a really bad. He just had cleaner lines and he was very very defined like like shredded conditioning. Yeah for his size. I mean he's a big boy. Yeah. You know it's Jeremy Jeremy lost Jeremy took fourth. Yeah so I don't watch that so for to go from first to fourth that even Jen not paying off the Wait a minute aren't they both honey honey athletes? Yes Which makes me I'm very interested in what's going on now Shaman Jeremy because is the politics right right there's so much politics Shaman Jeremy for announcing
Starting point is 00:07:00 His retirement before going into the show because it in a sport that is, I mean, there's politics and everything, right? We talked to flags and I agree with flags. There's politics and everything. But there's so much politics in this sport. It's because it's a judged. It's not like, yo, you scored a goal. I didn't, it's literally judges deciding.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Right. So you tell an organization that you have been a four-time champion, you've got two million followers, you're probably one of the most influential people in the men's physique category and space. You tell them that after this Olympia, you're retiring. Okay, now I'm a businessman, so I ride away, I hear that and I go,
Starting point is 00:07:44 why don't you wait on saying that to up your net? Well, I, okay, if you're gonna say that, you just fucking probably lost, unless you make it so undeniable for me that I have to give you the win, because now what I want to do is I want to give it to a new champion who's gonna stir up all kinds of trash talking and conversation for the next year, so you drive traffic. Because you went from first to fourth, that's gotta be the biggest drop that I, I mean, I don't know how men's physique works by knowing and bodybuilding I don't think anybody's ever gone that big maybe once I think Chris Dickerson
Starting point is 00:08:10 Might have done that went from Olympia down, but he wasn't like this multiple Olympia winning guy like like Phil Heath or or even like like Jeremy windia. Yeah, yeah, more time champion Yeah, four time champion going on five now. Did you see his physique compared to the other guy? I did. So it looked different. So what Jeremy's done every year and as much as you know, a lot of people don't like him as a person I am not a big fan of who he is as a person either But I respect his his work ethic into building his physique year over year He's improved his physique year over year if you look back at his last four years, you'd be an asshole if you denied that he's improved his physique. This year, he brought the most size that I've ever seen him,
Starting point is 00:08:53 but he definitely gave up conditioning. He did not look as peeled as the top three guys did. And that's why I think a combination of not bringing, but because we've seen this though too, though, I mean, Phil Heath one last year and I disagreed with Phil winning last year but he won because he's Phil Heath and he was seven time Mr. Olympia. So I think that he I think Jeremy with a combination of coming in a little bit softer this year and then in addition to that him announcing that he's retiring. I think you became a okay well we'll go ahead and look at the next person in line
Starting point is 00:09:25 to do announces the men's physique champion. So that was the smart move. Both of Honeys guys were dethroned. And I'm with Justin. I'd be really curious to how much did Evo Jin sponsor the events this year? No, who got third? Was it Roli?
Starting point is 00:09:38 Yeah. Roli got the- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no it was a yes, yes, roly rollie got third second was he then first was flex Road road yeah flex road is really awesome, right? So so Roli looked insane from what I saw on the again, remember we're watching oh, yeah, and but Banya got fourth and Brandon Curry got fifth Brandon Curry had a great showing. I think that's one of his best showings in the Olympia. He looked insane, but Rowley was the most, for me, looked the most insane. He looked insane. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Did you watch his posing routine? Yeah, I mean, he's not the best poser. And- But it's just his muscle size is just insane. Well, a lot of people think that he got robbed of second, right? They think that he should have, he should have got second. I mean, he's just not as pretty of a physique as Phil Heath is. Phil still got a great looking physique, although
Starting point is 00:10:29 I think that each year it's declining because of the belly. I mean, I think that when he was relaxed, it was just, it's crazy how much that it patrudes out. If he's not sucking that core and and drawing that in the entire time, it really hangs, hangs over. And there was quite a few times where he was posing off against Sean Rodin and he would kind of catch his breath and he'd be taking these deep breaths and you'd see his belly breathe out. And I'd be like, oh, fuck, dude, he just, it looks like, because the Olympia tends to do this where it goes, it waivers between the looks that they want, or it'll go towards the mass
Starting point is 00:11:04 monsters for a while and that's what's going to win. And then it goes towards the, you know, like the symmetry and aesthetics, you know, and it sounds like that's the direction based off of this element. So that's how I feel. I mean, even knocking Jeremy, right? Because Jeremy was getting to a point, in my opinion, that he was starting to look very classic physique like.
Starting point is 00:11:23 He's, he's thick. I mean, he's full. He's got legs like he's got bigger for sure. Yeah. So I think they they rewarded the smaller leaner looking guys in all categories this year. And it may be something that they're trying to set that tone because it was starting to get out of control when you look at was that classic physique? That was at Olympia this year. Yes. That was a brand in flex, I wanna say. I don't follow the classic guys as much as I do the men's physique and then the bodybuilding. So it's just like an in between sort of bodybuilder
Starting point is 00:11:55 and the physique. Classic physique. Classic physique, you could put, there's a classic physique right there on top left. So you could put a classic physique guy right now against the Arnold era and they look very similar. So if you looked at like Arnold. That's the idea.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Yeah, right. That was the idea. They're leaner though. People are still more shredded today than they were in the 70s, that's for sure. Oh yeah, yeah. But that's the idea. The idea is to present a classic body builder type physique.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Basically the difference between classic and pro was like 50 pounds maybe, would you say? 30, 50 pounds of muscle? Yeah, yeah, that's a pretty good, I would so guys, so I would, I'm like the borderline would be between men's physique classic at 220. So probably 230, like your guys that are winning, I would guess are probably 230, depending on their height, right? 230-ish or so, and then obviously bodybuilders are pushing, you know, 29270. Yeah, they're way up there. So yeah, I'd say 30. Yeah, there's your winner.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Here's the thing about the current era of bodybuilder. We talked about this with Flex. I don't, it doesn't, there's nobody that's super, although Phil did win a bunch of times. It never, I don't know, at least to me didn't come across as like the Coleman era, where Coleman won and there was like, everybody was, everybody knew they were competing for second. There's no way to, it doesn't feel like that. Well, do we, do we talk about this on air off air? I know I talked to Flex off air about
Starting point is 00:13:16 this was just how impressive, you know, so Kai Green and, and Ronny Coleman both competed as professional bodybuilders all natural and then transitioned to steroids. And that's when they went. And so the fact of those guys were able to reach the pro level, I don't think people really comprehend and understand that, like how much genetics play a role in this game. Like 99% of the population on all the steroids they could get their hands on couldn't compete at the professional level. You literally 90 something percent of those people couldn't.
Starting point is 00:13:50 We with all the steroids you had at your hand. And then if you have someone like this who can get into the professional level natural and then you put them on anabolic and then you get a Ronin Coleman. You know, Ronin Coleman later on, you know, Flex talked about that was, he had that discussion
Starting point is 00:14:05 They talked after the Olympia where you know flex I took I think that was your flex took second and And Ronnie was like what third call out or something and then he said he went up to his hotel room after that And they're hanging out and flex was just super transparent with them on helping what to take Yeah, yeah, what it looks like. Yeah, and up to that point, Ronnie was like running all that. Well, there's another part too that isn't discussed much besides the genetics, as all these guys have insane genetics,
Starting point is 00:14:33 but when you've trained for decades, which Ronnie Coleman did, Coleman trained for long, he started working out in high school. He worked out for decades naturally. He knew his body very well. He knew how to train properly to get his body to grow. He knew how to feed his body to get it to grow.
Starting point is 00:14:52 Then when you throw anabolic on top of it, that's a whole nother level. What happens with a lot of these guys is they don't train to that level naturally. They go, they train naturally for a little while, but then they throw anabolic on, and then it's hard to tell what's really working. Is it my workout, is it my diet, or is it that I increased my dosage of anabolic? Right. I tried leaning heavy on the drugs
Starting point is 00:15:13 immediately. Right. This looked 100%. This is why Adam became a pro. And so short period of time, he knew he had a train. Yeah. You know, and like you said, many times, you know, which is a major advantage. Yeah. you said many times, Adam, you, you know, you got in there to hear what they were doing. You're like, these guys don't know what the fuck is working. Well, the amount of anabolic so they had to take. I mean, that would, to me, when, you know, being back all natural, not having steroids in my system now and training again to build, like the biggest thing that I can
Starting point is 00:15:40 feel the difference, and this is obviously personal anecdotal because everyone's going to be different, right? Like everyone genetically is different. You know, you get away with more. Like you can get away with like, so now like when I train, if I at all over train, it sets me back. Like if I stretch my limits too much and I too much volume in a session and I get really sore, like you don't hinder my program for two, three, four days sometimes, and that will slow my progress down where when I was running steroids, like man if I could just fucking hammer it,
Starting point is 00:16:11 yeah I'd be sore, I could push right through it and I'd see consistent gains, week over week, which what does that tell me? Well that tells me that I don't have to be as smart with my program design and the same thing goes nutritionally. So because you're an, when I'm taking steroids, I'm anabolic around the clock 24-7. So I could be like, let's say my calorie maintenance is at my body needs 4,000 calories and to grow it needs just about 4,200 calories or so.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Well, I could go eat 5,000 calories and a majority that would go to building muscle and I wouldn't put on a bunch of body fat. And so then now you also get to be a little lazy on the diet. And this is what we see. Right, this is what we see. And that's the real biggest difference that I think. It doesn't mean it doesn't take any credit away from those guys that are competing at the professional level.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Like, oh, steroids just doesn't. Like, no, fuck steroids just don't do that. I know plenty of assholes in the gym that take tons of gear that look terrible. But if you didn't learn how to program and diet really, really well naturally, which I had the ability to do that for a long time is train naturally, see how to understand how to program, learn all that I needed to.
Starting point is 00:17:18 That's what like you said, Sal, as soon as I started enhancing myself with Hannah Balk, so it was like, because then you know, you know, anytime you throw variables at something, I don't care what it is, your body, business, whatever. If you throw 15 different variables at something, you don't know exactly what's working. So you don't know which one's a good investment
Starting point is 00:17:37 and time, which one's a good investment and effort, which screws the turn to get the desired result. You just don't know. And so if you don't know your body through training and diet very well, which means you've trained for years, because it takes a long time. Not one year, not two years,
Starting point is 00:17:52 a long time for you to really learn your body, then you don't know what's working. You don't know if it's a steroids or if it's your workout or whatever. Here's the other thing to you want to consider, and I'm sure you're experiencing this right now, Adam. You train for a long period of time on antibiotics, you learn your body on antibiotics.
Starting point is 00:18:09 You go off of them, it's shit, now I'm different. I keep learning that lesson still. I mean, it was four years consistently, right, with really no breaks, and now we're coming up on one year of me not having anything in my system, and I still, I mean, both nutritionally, and that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I've put this together now that I keep making these little subtle mistakes of the things that I could get away with before. I could stretch the pushing the calories further. I could stretch the volume, you know, further because my body was recovering faster. It was utilizing those additional calories to pack on muscle and I wasn't putting a ton of body fat on. So it's, and I keep stretching stretching those those limits and being reminded like, fuck, you don't have that. I don't have that advantage anymore. It's like I go, I have two days of, you know, splurging on calories and shit. Sometimes I would do that when I was on anabolic. I come out of it, fucking looking better. Where now, no, absolutely not. Anything that I
Starting point is 00:19:02 eat over then what my body needs ends up getting stored as body fat. So, yeah, no, it's still, this is why it's a learning curve to go back the other direction. And this is why training programming is so, it's important for everybody, but it's way more important when you're natural. You just don't get away with as much.
Starting point is 00:19:18 Yeah. And you're always, when you're natural, you're constantly managing being anabolic versus catabolic. And if you want to build muscle and set up your metabolism, so it's faster, so you burn fat, you're constantly managing being anabolic versus catabolic. And if you want to build muscle and set up your metabolism, so it's faster, so you burn fat, easier and all that stuff, and you sculpt and shape your body,
Starting point is 00:19:31 you want to be anabolic more than you are a catabolic. You want your body to be building more than it's breaking down. And that's what you're constantly managing. When you're on anabolic steroids, you have a loud hormonal signal. Yeah, you're not having to manage it. That's pushing you in the anabolic, right? It's pushing you in that direction.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And so you don't have to be as smart with your training or as, you know, as, I mean, you can be very smart with your training, but you don't have to manage those factors nearly as much. And so this is why, I mean, when I get kids that ask me, you know, should I take anabolic system that, will it really hurt me? You know, I'm very honest with them.
Starting point is 00:20:03 I say, look, anabolic, if you get good ones, and this and that, it's not really hurt me. You know, I'm very honest with them. I say, look, antibiotics, if you get good ones and this and that, it's not super dangerous. But here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna gain muscle on them. You're gonna train in a particular way. At some point, you're gonna wanna go off. And you're not gonna know how to train yourself anymore. You're gonna lose all that muscle.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Be very depressing. You gotta deal with the hormonal effects and all that stuff. And most people are not prepared. Most people are not prepared for doing that. You have, I mean, luckily we have this podcast that reaches a lot of people. You can hear someone going through that, like Adam, who went through that whole period, who's self-aware, was a trainer for almost two decades,
Starting point is 00:20:34 a professional in the field, and you can hear his challenges. Imagine if you're doing that, you know, Mr. who, you know, whatever your name is, and you've worked out for a year or two, and you don't have the expertise, you've never trained him, you've never trained thousands of. And you don't have the expertise. You've never trained, you've never trained thousands of people, you don't have the self awareness.
Starting point is 00:20:47 This isn't your freaking passion of all time to learn. What do you think is gonna happen to you when you try to go off that stuff? It's gonna be good. It's gonna be interesting to see this backlash that I think we're going to see over the next five to 10 years because the men's physique category has only really been around.
Starting point is 00:21:03 What are we on like year seven or something like that? Something like that. I think so. It's less than 10 a quarter. Yeah, it's less than 10 that it's been around. And now we have a lot of these younger boys, you know, that are in their late teens, early 20s that are looking at the Jeremy Blindias
Starting point is 00:21:18 and the men's physique guys and going, oh, I could do that. Like when you look at Phil Heath and you look at Ronnie Coleman and you look at fucking those guys, it's still 80, 90% of the population they go like, there's no fucking way. In no way or no way I want to be.
Starting point is 00:21:31 But now with Minsph is Zeke, you look at that and you go, I could probably do that, or I want to do that, right? Well, wasn't it the trend to like with Instagram? So like, I don't know if like, people would get into competing and then pull out just so they'd have better Instagram picks, or it was like, they would stop competing and just so they would look good and they'd be present themselves on Instagram
Starting point is 00:21:52 to get more of a business from that, specifically not necessarily from competing, but if that hurt them at all, as far as people joining in and competing on stage versus just trying to get super shredded. Well, there was a transition that I went through with my social media page that it was built first around my transformation, right?
Starting point is 00:22:13 So it was like follow my journey, watch me go from fat to fit, then it went from, you know, fat to fit, and then I went to watch me compete my first show, then I went, okay, watch me, you know, move up the ladder. And so a lot of my social media presence was built around competing. my first show, then I went, okay, watch me move up the ladder. A lot of my social media presence was built around competing.
Starting point is 00:22:29 I mean, you guys remember that was when my frustrations with the show when we first started. Everyone labeled me as the men's physique or bodybuilder guy that I didn't really feel like I identified with. It was just something that I used to catapult the social media business. Well, I went through this period where when I stopped posting the shirtless selfies and the comparison pigs and talking to speaking to men's
Starting point is 00:22:52 for the Zekin bodybuilding on time, that it started to dip. My interaction, my comments, my likes, everything started to kind of go down. It wasn't until my pump had really exploded and taken off the other direction that it became much bigger than I ever was as an Individual which was a very refreshing time for me because then it was like awesome now I can present who I really am and post the things that I'm really into and what represent who Adam is versus
Starting point is 00:23:17 Trying to present to an audience just to gain people's attention, you know Well, I just I'm curious because I remember the whole shreds movement and all that kind of shit with Joey Schwoll and all that. They didn't compete ever, right? They just like tried to get as big and shredded whatever is possible, like devin viseaks and all those kind of guys. Right. And like even like a Bradley Martin or somebody like that. Like there was a lot of people out there that are gaining like super amounts of traffic
Starting point is 00:23:44 and why even compete then and for them, because their whole business is just, hey, look at me, I'm on Instagram. It used to be if you were a very muscular body builder-ish type dude, and you wanted to make money through business, you competed, and if you did well, then you'd make the whole formula. It's not like that anymore.
Starting point is 00:24:03 It helps, it definitely helps for sure but you know you you I know guys who barely ever competed who do far from the they're still shredded muscular but they do far better through social media social media change everything look yeah go to the Olympia or the Arnold classic uh expo and look at who gets all the who the lines of right of to people who are going to social media stars. Dude, I remember Rich Tiana. Not Tiana's, well he was still there. Like these posters were so gigantic.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Oh my God, I couldn't believe like how popular he was and he never was. Or in a different time. Yeah, I think here's the thing. This is why I love natural, and I've trained not natural before. I've used pro hormones, a designer steroids and all that stuff. So I know what it's like, but here's why I like training
Starting point is 00:24:46 naturally so much. I can sort of myself a student of the game. I don't have the greatest genetics, I was a skinny kid, so I had to really fucking science this thing. I had to figure it out, figure out how to get my body respond and change and really figure these things out. And the thing I love about natural training is, it forces that.
Starting point is 00:25:04 You really need to, you really start to learn. I would have never, look, if I had just always taken, you know, designer, or let's say I was on anabolic all time, would I have discovered the way, the most effective way to train like I did with maps and a ball, maybe not, maybe I wouldn't have because my body might have responded fine, training in less effective ways because I was on tons of anabolic.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Would I have experimented as much, would I have read as much, would I have tried to figure that you could have motivated enough to find out what foods worked out best for you in your specific makeup? Right, would I, if I was 230 pounds lean, because I'm on antibiotics all the time, and I'm training hard and all that stuff,
Starting point is 00:25:39 would I ever say, hold on a second, maybe this body part once a week, body parts split training, maybe I need to abandon that and try so I wouldn't have done that, because I would have been like, look, I'm already jacked. So it kind of pushed me in that direction to really learn my body, which is now gonna serve me much better as I get older from the long term
Starting point is 00:26:01 versus the other one, which will hamper your ability to take care of yourself. I know way more people who did a lot of antibiotics in their youth who, as they got older, terrible physiques, terrible, totally poor health, overweight, don't even work out anymore. I know a lot of those. Most are. Or lots of injuries, because they never really figured out
Starting point is 00:26:19 how to train their natural bodies. You know, this weekend, I knew it was over-trained. Look, here's an example of that, right? So this weekend, I did another one of those full day workouts. So we got back from our vacation Saturday, Sunday, I'm like, I'll let you do it.
Starting point is 00:26:32 I'm like the four time now. This is my third all day workout. So I did a little bit differently, and I'm telling you, I can't wait till we all try it. What's the formula this time? So this time, I picked different exercises. I did walking lunges, weighted dips, and weighted pullups. So I want to try different movements,
Starting point is 00:26:51 and I want to try some higher reps. So I went in the eight rep range. And again, it's really remarkable how effective this approach is. It's almost like I crammed three weeks of workouts into one day in terms of the results I see and it's like the day after and the two or three days after I can feel and see what's happening my body and it feels Incredible and I'm getting lots of of Waxing lunges a lot more movement added this time. Oh, I'm doing I've I've not squatting anymore for a while
Starting point is 00:27:21 I'm not doing barbell squats for all not because barbell squats aren't great It's like the best exercise of all time. But I noticed when I do Bulgarian split squats and walking lunges, there's a pretty clear difference between when my right leg is forward and my left leg is forward. Yeah. And if I do get any pain when I squat heavy,
Starting point is 00:27:39 it's in my SI joint on my left side. So I figure it's an imbalance between the two sides. So all I've been doing is the split stance movement. Okay, ball bearings would be beautiful for that. What was the fatigue like this time doing that though in comparison? Fine, yeah. It's actually fine, it's really crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:55 But when you do the first one, you gotta warm up, get in the movement. Second one, you feel stronger, you feel like you can get right into it. The third one is crazy. Are you feeding as if you were in a maintenance, a bulk or a cut? Oh no, I feed.
Starting point is 00:28:07 You do. So yeah, I wrote it down. I wrote down exactly what I'll show you. So I started out the workout. What about the following days? Are you also, are you staying in that in like a cooler, I would think you would be smart to stay in a calorie surplus for a couple days.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I'm in a surplus anyway because we had that contest. Yeah. And I figured it'd be a good time to add a little bit. Extra calories. I'm not going crazy with it, but I mean, more plus my gut health's good, so I can push it a little bit. But so what I did that day, so it started off at 9am. Before that, I had coffee with butter, coconut,
Starting point is 00:28:37 oil, and collagen protein. And that was my morning when I started off. Then I did my workout, felt great. Six egg yolks and a bowl of oatmeal. Now, the egg yolks I had an additional six later on because I figured a lot of cholesterol on this day is gonna make a difference. Oh, and with my caffeine, with my coffee,
Starting point is 00:28:57 I made sure to add, I believe it was 15 milligrams of CBD. I did this with the new company we're working with. Oh, Ned. Oh yeah. Yes. Oh, good call. CBD. Here's the fucking jam, dude.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Well, CBD's got a lot of benefits, okay? But CBD with caffeine and some thinning. What a nice smooth fucking job. You introduced me to that. Such, now the, it's like running off of pure fuel. Oh, it's smooth. And Ned has got full spectrum cannabinoids in it. So you got CBC, CBG, CBDV. The thing I like about CBD is it's not, it, it, it, it, it's not psychoactive. It's not psychoactive. It's definitely has a calming effect, not sleepy,
Starting point is 00:29:38 but calming. So you just feel kind of cool. But what it does is it, it improves your body's ability to use its own natural cannabinoids endocannabinoids, because it doesn't directly attach to the two cannabino receptors that we've identified. So, it's almost like getting your body to work itself a little better. Unlike, and there's benefits to THC as well, there's lots of health benefits as well, but if you keep taking lots of THC, you may reduce your body's production of cannabinoids. So you're saying that with the increase of the CBD,
Starting point is 00:30:07 it doesn't down-regulate the same as if you were to increase THC? Well, so here's what I've been doing. So I'll do, you know, I've dramatically reduced my THC consumption, right? Right, right. Because I thought it was affecting my testosterone. So now I'll use THC, you know, two or three days, two days a week maybe,
Starting point is 00:30:22 but I'll use CBD almost every single day. My tolerance is still, when I go back to THC, it's like I haven't used anything. I don't get that tolerance building effect like I do with THC. That's interesting. Yeah. So I did the workout, then I did another workout, then I had chicken thighs, white rice, then I did another workout, more chicken thighs, white rice, so I ate probably four times throughout the day to feed my body.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Today I'm like, I'm a little bit sore, but it's, I don't know, it's hard to explain. It's a different kind of sore. I really want you guys to experience what it feels like. I know our audience has been waiting for. We had it planned. Yeah, we had it planned the same day that we interrupted. Yeah, we had scheduled, we thought it would be smart.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Okay, we had to do a shoot for the website. Yeah, the new website and... Naked calendar. Okay, we had to do a shoot for the website. Yeah, the new the new website and naked calendar. Right. Yeah, times are tough with my I mean, I brought my fireman hat. Try to know this fucking right. Justin's cheeks are on two months. Left cheek on one mother. You get sneak peak open the calendar. Was it leapier? Is real interesting. That's gross. Whoa. Whoa. Was it leapier? It's real interesting.
Starting point is 00:31:25 That's gross. That's gross. That's gross. You don't have it. You always joke around because people think you're super hairy. I listen to one of our older episodes. Do they really? Would I call you a muscle club?
Starting point is 00:31:36 Oh yeah, no. It's just my arms, dude. I'm like, I'm like bare everywhere else. Yeah, I'm just like bald. Yeah, I just think about your butt on the calendar. I don't know if I should picture hair on it. No, man. It's it's just like a baby. Is it smooth like Doug's? Yeah, it's I don't know. You tell me. Hold on a second. How do you know what Doug's doing? Doug and I have gotten really close lately.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah. I guess so. Can you picture Doug's ass as I just see like this this cute little bubble smooth ass going on there. You're full. Very, very, very vibrant. Like if we didn't see the rest of it, that's fucking, he's fucking 90 and he looks 20. It's not joking, it's not as radiate. Yeah, we get a smile on over there, cause he beat everybody. Right, I see.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Well, we said, we're going on four years together, right? I mean, when we hit about that 10 year mark, it's gonna be hard to tell who the oldest in the group is going to be. I think Doug isn't brewing kombucha. I think he has the blood of chug. He has an elixir. Yeah, some sort of elixir, he's concocting back there.
Starting point is 00:32:32 He's lab. He's drinking some milk. Real soon we're gonna transition our fucking ugly asses out of all the videos. This is gonna be Doug. We're already trying. Yeah, exactly. We gotta bring Doug in the next.
Starting point is 00:32:41 That's a little... Do you guys train when you're on vacation? Justin, were you doing any exercises? Yeah, you know what, I don't fucking lie. Listen, I was not pursuing any gyms or anything. I was on a mission to have beers and whiskey. That was my mission, but at a certain point, after a day or two, I'm like, fuck, I missed working out.
Starting point is 00:33:02 I missed lifting weights. The whole time I was like hiking and walking miles like in between just because I was like, I gotta get some movement in, I can't fucking sit for very long, it drives me crazy. But there wasn't any gym like presence, like there was like like very little if any. And so, you would try looking it up and there was a few.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Yeah, looked it up and it was like, there was a few, but they were like in very small, it was almost like, you know, when you're trying to find a restaurant or bar that like, doesn't have signage or anything. And it's like in some weird like back alley thing, we found one that was like that. Did you lift it in it? And we lifted in it.
Starting point is 00:33:40 And it was, it was okay. You know, it had like, it had some kettlebells and it had like, you know, like one squat rack. But, you know, like after that, like I, so I got like one solid lift and the rest of it was all body weight shit. I went crazy with the body weight. So I've actually didn't post some of the, like, videos I did some, like, I was trying to make fun of, like, couples training. And so I put, like, Courtney on my back and I'm doing squats with her. And I was actually dead lifting her and doing stuff. So that's fucking stupid, I'm not posting that.
Starting point is 00:34:11 And then it's really cheesy. And then you had something. Yeah, and then I banged. I've got a pro tip. I got a, yeah. Yeah, I was like, I forget all this exercising stuff. Why I love it when you talk about them,
Starting point is 00:34:21 like, oh, she does that through. I've been through around, thank God she's a little show, right? No, so I have got a pro tip for you since you're on this topic. This is something that Katrina and I, we train two of the four days. So we, you know, at least that's kind of how we look at it. Like, hey, every other day, let's get a lift in for sure
Starting point is 00:34:36 while we're on our trip. Unfortunately, I just don't have the same discipline as you do, Sal, where I can work out in a hotel gyms. I'll do it if I absolutely have to. I fucking hate it. What I'm unmotivating. But what I will do, and what or I could work out in a hotel gyms, I'll do it if I absolutely have to. I fucking hate it. What I'm unmotivating. But what I will do, and what Katrina and I agreed on, the first day we went to the gym,
Starting point is 00:34:51 because neither one of us were actually motivated to lift. We both were, we first day we get in, we got in that night, settled down, and then we had the first full day at the beach and hanging out with the boys and drinking and doing our thing. It's like, we weren't motivated to go lift. But we agreed before we even went to the trip like, hey, let's not fall off of our momentum that we have right now.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And so what I'll do with her that I love to do is we will spend an entire hour squatting. And it's not a fast workout. It's not like I get 40 sets in, you know. We kind of take our time and it's so cool for vacation because we're talking in between sets. We do some heavy ones, we do some light ones, we do some mobility, but it's all squatting. And so we'll do that for an entire hour. In my opinion, it's one of the best things that we can do in a situation like that. One, we get the interaction with each other. It's not like this really serious workout. We're doing the King of All movements, which if you talk about a movement
Starting point is 00:35:46 that encompasses the entire body, right? So you get this kind of full body workout out of it, even though it's primarily legs that we're working with. But you leave the gym and I feel like we had an incredible workout just from squatting the entire hour, you know. And you can't squat in a hotel gym, then they never have fun.
Starting point is 00:36:03 No, it's always a Smith machine or dumbbells or something like that. If you're lucky, yeah, I mean, so. And you can't squat in a hotel gym, they never have fun. No, it's always a Smith machine or dumbbell or something like that. If you're lucky. Yeah, I mean, we do cardio. Yeah, what we do is we'll do Jessica and I will do, we'll just usually do a circuit and I'll do all the machines or the dumbbells and I'll do very minimum work out. Very minimal. Yeah, just a little pump. No, the one that's got the place that we were staying, the gym, the hotel gym or whatever,
Starting point is 00:36:25 the resort gym is next to the pool and it's all big glass windows. This is where the infamous picture came from. That's right. Cause we went in there and our bathing suit because we're gonna go work out. We're gonna work out. We're gonna work out and then walk out to the pool area.
Starting point is 00:36:41 So I'm in my bathing suit, she's in hers and we're doing our little workout and let me tell you, that's a sexy time. They can I take can I tell you that those are gangster shorts. They're short. How many times how many times you're balls fall out of this? Hey, my mind of mine. I held tight. I am that was the most the most deemers. I get the old man I had ever got was was was that I've never got I mean I must have had
Starting point is 00:37:02 over the course of the 24 hour to that picture stayed up there Oh, you're like in a were speedo dude. It was so funny I was posted cuz like I was in like a gift shop for like somewhere Scott. Oh, yeah Tell me I didn't even tell you did you come across it. Did you see what I posted? Yeah, I did Yeah, I saw you roasted him for that and it was funny cuz like I literally saw like some very similar shorts They're white with like green trim and like had some like clover on it or whatever same exact size. It was for like a little girl.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Psychi almost first of that. Bro, that's listen, listen, that's the, that's the meaning of this style. That's what people gonna work on. That's what they were in Europe, dude. All right. It was too easy because I just seen Jessica's story and she did shopping with my favorite person
Starting point is 00:37:43 in a tagged mind pump right my pump South and then I click over to my and then South and then also there's this picture of him in these Daisy Duke shorts and his fucking chucks And his wife beaters. I mean, I'm like this is just you pull it off You're gonna underhead and pitch me one like that. I'm definitely gonna fucking post It was a good show. It was a showin' often quads. It was a good time, man. It's comfortable We get a better tan that way, you know You don't get a weird tan. I'm telling you guys are lucky don't worship you. Everybody was I think you guys are sponsored by Viori are you not fucking
Starting point is 00:38:10 Devlin of the Ori shorts. It's not you're approved. No, they're really comfortable You should see me do lunges in those things. Oh god. Oh no, no, no, don't put that in my head I Don't want to see that I will put it in your head Then we get back for more we get back from our trip and then we go grocery shopping. And I forget how expensive fucking whole foods is, dude. It's, I bought two grocery bags, $250 with a groceries. Oh, so.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Well, I'm doing this in a grocery store. Dude, I could not find, and I think I was, because I was close to all the tourist trap places, you know? But there was like, no, it tourist trap kind of places, you know, but like, there was like no, it was all bars and pubs and, and there was like no grocery store. We were like, fuck, I'm so sick of eating out. Like, we wanna like make something in,
Starting point is 00:38:56 it was just, it wasn't until we got to Gauwe in Ireland, where we actually found this really awesome grocery store that had all this like organic stuff and like they were very Surprisingly health conscious with like gluten free options. I was like so impressed Yeah, that's great. You said the food sucked out there for the most most part though. No, Ireland was food is amazing I take everything back about that because I know I like way back in the day like no was listening It was shit about that Irish food or was it other like was it like you wait Chinese Was it Irish food or was it other like was it like you wait? Chinese
Starting point is 00:39:25 That's different. No, no, no, no, no, because it was like it was all like the beef quality there's amazing like the anything dairy There's amazing salmon's amazing. I think it was just that like any like signature dish, you know like from It doesn't really exist in like shortbread and like shepherds pie or something. Do you have any spotted dick? So where's that English? Yeah, I gobble that shoot up. Oh, Spotted dick. What is that? I think it's English Spotted corny had haggis in Scotland. I was spotted impressed. Well, no, well both of those what's haggis and what's Spotted dick is some kind of like a sausage right? Yeah, it's what you get. Obviously don't work on Oh, I thought I was like Rocky Mountain oysters like something the sausage right? Yeah. That's what you get. Obviously. Don't work on them.
Starting point is 00:40:05 I thought it was like Rocky Mountain oysters, like something like that. See that? Yeah. Okay. It's a British tainted sausage. Okay. So it's British pudding made with sweat. I don't know what that is.
Starting point is 00:40:14 And dried food and often. Sure. With custard. So that's sweaty. That's spotted, spotted dick. Now, now, Haggis, isn't that like, Haggis is like the gut, right? Yeah. So, yeah, it's a lot of the intestines and stuff kind of ground up
Starting point is 00:40:28 and then like with the stomach lining sort of in case through on the outside. We call that hot dog. Sheep, yeah, sheep stuff. You call it a spotted dick? Yeah, it does not ground up completely. I mean, it is, it was like, and that what a hot dog really is
Starting point is 00:40:41 is all that shit grounded up through. Well, I had this conversation with Jessica, this is not bad though, it's not bad. Well, I had this conversation with Jessica. It's not bad though. Because we were talking about the food of different cultures. And, you know, when you do polls, when people are pulled, like, where's the best food? Who has the best food? Polls typically you'll see a majority.
Starting point is 00:40:55 A lot of people will say things like a time food. Yeah, it's weird. It's a good thing. It's a good thing. Or French. But here's Mexican food. Who doesn't like the best? You've got all the studies he wants to put in.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I did say Mexican food. No, no, I didn't say Mexican food. I did say Mexican food. That's not my problem. Here's what it is. When you look at these regions, these regions typically are in places where lots of, very fertile, lots of different things grow in these areas. So people could get creative and create these amazing dishes.
Starting point is 00:41:21 When you go up north and northern Europe, it's cold and over at the Apples. They have potatoes. Yeah, you're fucking... So that's why you're... Let's make some shit out of that. Yeah, that's why the cuisine is not gonna be, it's gonna be a little limited. That's a good point.
Starting point is 00:41:31 That's a good point. It's a good point. Yeah, fish and how many things you can do with fish. Right, Italy's in the middle of the fucking Mediterranean. Everything grows there, everything grows nicely. You have all kinds of different. So you can get creative, but you live in Scandinavia. Like one of their foods, their traditional dishes is like,
Starting point is 00:41:47 this is like, that's buried in the snow and ferments and goes bad. It's like goat balls. That's a real dish, by the way. And some, yes, it's fish that's fermented in the ground. Which is also what makes it really hard to impress someone like us who's from California, where we have some of the best food grown in our state.
Starting point is 00:42:03 So it's tough to not, or it's tough to go somewhere else and then go like be mind blown. Bro, you ever have best food? We all the best from all cultures, like it. Right, you ever try any vegetable? Vegetables, remember where were we in Florida? No, I don't remember where we were, but we tried to go get like vegetables and fruit
Starting point is 00:42:18 and we're like, this is not, but it's because they had to ship it from California. We were far away, I forgot where it was. Was it Florida? I don't remember. It might have been Florida. I wasn't impressed with Florida's food either. Really? far away, I forgot where it was. Was it Florida? I don't remember. It might have been Florida. I wasn't impressed with Florida's food either.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Really? Yeah, I wasn't impressed with Florida. We had those restaurants out really good there. Remember that one? That coffee shop though, that was amazing. Yeah, the fucking coffee shop. Yeah, the Roopier float, ice cream and fucking coffee. Like that was fucking great.
Starting point is 00:42:37 That's a real hard-to-do thing. That's a real hard-to-do thing. Yeah, off a gore. Off a gore. I forgot it, yeah. Yeah, that Roopier flow. You know what I meant That's a very cool through coffee. Yeah, I mean the come on you can't you can't reference that is like a good place to eat because they had that Like we went we had a salad we win the food contest. That's for sure
Starting point is 00:42:57 I mean, but but no, I got back went to a whole food spent five million dollars on food and immediately got on a thrive market and just Ordered two weeks worth of shit because yeah, shit because you can't just stock back up. Because it's so expensive when you go to the grocery store. I get messages all the time for people. Oh, I try to buy organic, non-GMO. It costs me 50% more. And I just send them over to Thrive Market. Because if you save a shit ton of them.
Starting point is 00:43:22 No, no, no, no, you do. The one strategy I still gotta get better with thrive is exactly that is timing my groceries better. Like, I love thrive market, but what I tend to do is that get my order. Yeah, then I go through it and then I'm like, oh, shuddy, get something and then I'm caught in that trap of heading over to Whole Foods or Sprouts.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Because it's like, every time I do that, and then I'm like, kick myself, because like you walk away paying. Are you gonna plan it? How are the dogs liking the dog food from there? Didn't you say? Good, good, but you know what I keep forgetting to do is to tell people the brand,
Starting point is 00:43:47 because you bring them up on the show and then I get fucking 50 DMs on them. What brand is it? I can't remember the name of the brand. I don't pay attention to it. It ships the house now. I'm saying it ships the house, we open the box, I dump it into the,
Starting point is 00:43:57 you know, I've one of those big, so we don't keep, I don't keep dog food bags around the house. I literally, as soon as it comes in from the thrive market, I slid it open and I have these big, tupperware things that like- I have these big, tupperware things. Oh, so you emptied the bag and I throw in the trash right away. Do they have the big kernel option? I'm trying to get my dog to eat, because he just enails food immediately, at least if it's bigger, you won't like just move for vacuuming. Don't they make those bowls? I think Adam had one. Yeah, I have one. Oh, It makes me eat slower. Yeah, we have so Bentley will Bentley will every single time if I feed him out of another bowl
Starting point is 00:44:30 He will eat it so fast and he eats and drinks so fast he throws up. Yeah, every time It's like to you fucking my old dog. You're not gonna learn your lesson here. So we had to go get the bowl It's just funny. You know, I mean, it's funny because he fucking doesn't learn He was like he keeps doing it. It's like what are you doing, dude's just picture of it. It's funny because he fucking doesn't learn. He keeps doing it. It's like, what are you doing, dude? So yeah, we, you have, it has like a cross in the middle of it. So it breaks a full-size ball up in these four quadrants. It makes them work for it a little better.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Yeah, they have to work for it to get, to scarf it out. And he still scarves it pretty damn fast, but it's enough to slow him down from fucking making himself throw up. What? That's what they're doing. Do they still, your dog's still getting anxiety here and there? Totally. Have you tried CBD? No, I want to try that.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Okay, so now I don't know, there's no science or anything like that, so I'm not advocating anybody to do this. I'm just reporting on what I've heard from other people who've contacted me. People who've contacted me about CBD's effects on anxiety. Now it's proven that in studies the show that CBD does have inzealitic effects on humans. So people can take it and take a decent dose, 20 milligrams or 50 milligrams,
Starting point is 00:45:34 and it'll help them with their anxiety. I've gotten messages from people who are like, it works great for my pets too. So I wanted to talk about this off air. You put me on the spot now to talk about this now, but I have this idea that I want to talk to our boy at Forsecmatic for the the shrooms because I think like a Raci CBD type of like calming food for dogs. Now someone for like me who has bulldogs that are prone to having anxiety and kind of being this way already, like those those
Starting point is 00:46:04 smaller breeds tend to do that. I would spend that kind of money. Now, I'm assuming that obviously if it's got CBD in it, it has racially mushroom, it's gonna be expensive. But an asshole like me who spends $2,000,000 on a dog would spend that kind of money on a food that I, like for a trip, like I just did. Because anytime we travel, that's when they get,
Starting point is 00:46:22 they get all fucking, to get all anxious and they Can't settle down their heart rates accelerated. They're breathing all heavy for like the first day and then they settle down and then they're fine So if I had something and right now we have prescription which they don't like doing that I feel bad every time I medicate my dog, but you know I do have those like if it's a place where they won't calm down I have I basically fucking you know Annax for dogs whatever whatever the, whatever the, whatever the chemical.
Starting point is 00:46:47 It's a benzone or whatever. Yeah, something like that, right? But it does the same calming type of effect. I would much rather use something all natural if I could formulate some sort of a, you know, mushroom slash CBD type of dog food that I could feed them that makes it chill. Well, the mushrooms I would be careful with
Starting point is 00:47:03 because I would be careful with the mushrooms. Just, well, not those in particular, but you want to be careful because sometimes things I don't know anything about, I'm just saying that, that's why I would call somebody, yeah, I would call the mushroom specialist. Not but the fucking knows everything about my mushroom. The mushroom guy.
Starting point is 00:47:16 Well, no, because it's a mushroom pot. It's the mushroom pot. It's weird because sometimes things that humans can eat, totally fuck with animals and you just wouldn't know. But CBD in particular, you can literally Google CBD for dogs and you'll see shit ton of products made for dogs with CBD, like legit. The problem with CBD products and the reason why we're
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Starting point is 00:49:03 Oh, it's been a while since I guess we talked about this. Oh yeah, dude. Static, you know, back. Are you kidding me? Oh, back in the day, man. Isometric and static tension type movements. It's all just in work. It's too lazy to do the full movement.
Starting point is 00:49:15 He knew I was just, he's actually holding me. I mean, a whole intention around him. Because that's so lazy. You know, this is like, fuck. It's gotta be a whack and hack my way around this. You know, back in the day, strength athletes and strong men placed a heavy emphasis on static movements, intention based movements.
Starting point is 00:49:35 And remember back then, they're physics were important. So definitely how they looked. But really what was more important was how strong they were and what they could do, what they could summon in terms of, you know, force output and be able to like add, you know, that amount of, you know, muscular tension on demand when you needed it.
Starting point is 00:49:54 There's a lot of, there's a lot of martial arts that have been teaching this for a really long time, like where you keep constant tension like that and you do like these static holds and pauses for a long time. So it's been around. People have known, we've known for a long time that there's some sort of benefit. We understand the science now,
Starting point is 00:50:09 and a lot of it, it's related to your central nervous system. Oh yeah, it's one of the only, and it really, super addresses that fact specifically, that central nervous system is one of the main contributors to strength. If you can harness that power within, so to speak, you have a massive advantage. To be able to hold a position, what we're doing is we're addressing a lot of times weaknesses within movement patterns. If it's a squat, if there's a certain interruption in that process where you feel
Starting point is 00:50:40 like you're losing connection, that's a great place to hold and really try to, you know, summon that attention. I really like watching Olympic lifters for many reasons, but one of the reasons is that they display some pretty interesting forms of strength. Obviously they're explosive, they can explode very quickly and generate a tremendous amount of force in a short period of time, very different than powerlifter.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Powerlifter, they generate force, but it takes their grinding through and they're doing it in it's kind of like a low gear in a car. So torque. Whereas an Olympic lift or just boom explodes, but Olympic lifters also have tremendous static strength. And you know this because in order to complete a lift,
Starting point is 00:51:21 many times the weak link in the Olympic lifters lift is being able to support and hold that weight steady. Because in order to complete a lift, many times the weak link in the Olympic lifters lift is being able to support and hold that weight steady. Because in order to complete a lift, you have to finish the lift, hold it up there, and if you're still moving and wobbling, even if you lift the weight, you're disqualified. And so Olympic lifters developed this incredible tension type of strength.
Starting point is 00:51:41 And there's a lot of carryover. Here's a thing, even for bodybuilders of people who want to just sculpt their body, they think, well, what's the big deal? I don't need to do this. I'll just do my regular positive and negative portions of the rep. There's carryover. If you train your static tension strength, your isometric strength, you'll have carryover to both the positive and negative portions of your rep and what it'll feel like is you'll just feel fucking solid. I don't know any other better way to it'll feel like, is it'll just feel fucking solid. I don't know any other better way to word to describe
Starting point is 00:52:06 how it feels when you develop more isometric or static. Or so. Yeah, it just helps you to stabilize your joints too. I mean, it's one of those things that it slows everything down to where you are more in tune with your body and the signals that your body provides. And so a lot of times we get through sort of, you know, workout, we're going through the motions
Starting point is 00:52:27 of the exercises and the movements. And we're relying a lot on just whatever, like, you know, you feel like, you know, real time, like I'm going through the process and through the momentum of the movement, whereas I'm not really paying attention to where the discrepancies lie. Where am I losing that connectivity,
Starting point is 00:52:48 where I can improve in that area? And so if I were to add some static type holds, that's gonna totally enhance my ability to stabilize and add more control on every single part of the movement. I think more than people realize too, because when I go in the gym, and I look at everybody kind of training, right?
Starting point is 00:53:09 This is a total overgeneralization, but for the most part, most people in the gym don't even follow like a hypertrophy type of tempo where they control the negative for four seconds down. It's a bunch of pumping, right? It is. It's a bunch of pumping explosive power type movements
Starting point is 00:53:26 where you are trying to summon all of your energy, use momentum, get it up off you just so you could say you lifted more weights. Very few people train even in the high perturbation. And that's on the slower scale comparing it to static, right? If you're static, you're holding, you're holding in a position and concentrating on keeping tension completely.
Starting point is 00:53:45 So I think just people slowing down a repetition and controlling will already start to see a benefit. You start incorporating a static hold and really concentrating on keeping lots of tension in that static hold. People will see a big carryover and a big difference in their movement. Because the body doesn't know,
Starting point is 00:54:03 the body doesn't understand, okay, when I do a chest press, these are the perfect mechanics to do that. It says, get this weight up off of me. It's falling down on me, get it up off of me, and therefore, every part of me is going to try and cheat that up if I'm trying to get it off, especially when you're lifting a lot of,
Starting point is 00:54:23 or a really heavy load compared to what your body can control on the way down. So, teaching them to static hold at the bottom, or static hold at top, or midway through like that, I think it just teaches you better connection to the muscles that are supposed to be moving and working when you're exercising through a specific movement, and not a lot of people even slow down that process, much less static hold it. So I think a lot of people would greatly benefit by incorporating this.
Starting point is 00:54:51 I'll tell you what, here's a little, if you're listening right now and you're a little skeptical, just do this. If you let's say your bench press has been stuck at 250 pounds for a long time, and you just can't lift more than 250. Try this out, try putting 260 pounds on the bar, unwrap it and just hold it, hold it at the top.
Starting point is 00:55:08 Hold it at the top for 15 to 20 seconds, keep everything tight and then rack it up. Do a set or two at the end of your bench press workouts for the next few weeks. Watch your bench press go up, literally. That's the power of tension and static training. I noticed this with my overhead press. You know, one of the things when I used to do overhead presses,
Starting point is 00:55:28 I trained a lot like a bodybuilder, so it was pumping and I didn't really fully extend at the top and I definitely didn't hold it at the top. I pump it up and bring it right back down. And you know, once we started mind pumping, we all started working together and I, Justin was really preaching the benefits of static and I know muscle building history
Starting point is 00:55:44 and I'm thinking like, well yeah, that's true. A lot of those guys did do that kind of stuff. I started doing overhead carries. I put a kettlebell over my head with one arm. It was real difficult at first because I wasn't used to stabilizing it full extension. My overhead press went up like 15 pounds just from adding that to my left.
Starting point is 00:56:00 The other cool thing about static tension is you can apply it at any portion of the rep. And this is great because if you have a sticking point, that's where you wanna add your tension. So what I mean by that is, let's say you do a squat and you stuck at the bottom, which is common of the squat, well, you can take away, go down to the bottom and just hold tension at the bottom for 10 seconds
Starting point is 00:56:22 and then come up and that's your set. And when it's up happens, you start to build a lot of strength in that portion of the rep that you were holding the tension, which also so happens to be what you're doing. Where you're doing is teaching your sensual nervous system. So it actually, it may take a few reps and a few times working out like this and teaching your body, like how to be able to overcome the stress, this new stress, but what it's doing is it's learning, it's learning that, okay, now when I'm in this portion
Starting point is 00:56:54 of this movement, I'm gonna add X amount more force within that particular lift. And so it's very beneficial from that aspect as far as addressing sticking points, like Sal's mentioning, so it's very beneficial from that aspect as far as like addressing sticking points, like Sal was mentioning, because it's like, now the sudden your recruitment is amplified. So now I can recruit more muscle fibers, I can recruit more help and more, you know, sort of soldiers to help, you know, it gets you up. You're making it safer for your CNS to output more power. Because what people don't realize, we're limited. you're making it safer for your CNS to output more power.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Because what people don't realize, we're limited. That's the limitation. Yeah, we're limited by the, our bodies can actually generate more strength than you think you can, right? So let's say your potential is 100, like 100 represents your total maximal, real total output, like the most your body can put out.
Starting point is 00:57:43 For most people, they could probably summon 60 to 70% of that, no more. Their body doesn't feel safe going more than that, so the CNS kind of limits it. Now, the more you train and the more advanced you are, the more you can summon it. Olympic lifters are, you know, they say they could be, they're the closest to be able to summon
Starting point is 00:58:01 their full, you know, maximal power. Isometric holds and static type tension type movements help them help increase that because they are increasing your stability and so now here's the thing you know how do we develop muscle by developing all the different types of strength through full ranges of motion so a full range of motion will build more muscle than a shorter range of motion even if it's using lighter weight training the positive will build more muscle than a shorter range of motion, even if it's using lighter weight.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Training the positive will build more muscle than if you just train the negative. Train the negative will build more muscle than if you just train the positive. So you got to train everything to develop all those different aspects of strength. And one of the aspects of strength that you have is is isometrics strength. And I used to love taking friends of mine to yoga classes when I did yoga guys who lifted weights and had big muscles stuff and Watch them shake all right holding like warrior one. That's such a great example I remember I remember taking like a yoga class being able to squat 300 plus pounds, but then
Starting point is 00:58:58 Shaking like a leaf just to hold yourself in a semi-squat a position for longer than 20 seconds Right, so familiar right. It's a different kind of strength. The body adapts quite specifically. And so if you're not training isometric strength or static tension, then you're missing on something that can contribute to your strength and muscle gain. So it's definitely not something that you want. It would be like avoiding a negative or positive portion of the verap. Really, that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:59:23 You're missing out on something important. So now it's rare that I go by through a week where I don't incorporate some kind of tension or whatever. And it's very, by the way, tension and being able to maintain static tension as a metrics strength, very functional. Very challenging, too. Challenging but very functional.
Starting point is 00:59:44 I mean, if you want to prevent injury, if you want to be able to be stable in an accident or you fall down or whatever, develop this tension. If you're an athlete, boy, does it make a big difference? I remember I would grapple, these Jiu Jitsu guys or these wrestlers
Starting point is 01:00:00 have been doing it for a long time, who have this insane, I could outlift them all day long in the gym, but they'd get a hold of me and they would be able to hold me with a high intensity for a long periods of time. It was like being in a vice grip. And so it's a very functional form of strength as well. So it's important to add into your routine.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Next question is from P. Swazie. I recently began adding yoga into my active rest days. I also noticed I began experiencing more minor injuries. Could yoga be having a negative effect on my weight training and recovery? Absolutely. We've talked about this before. Depends how you do the yoga. Flexibility without strength is instability. If you're doing yoga and you're just increasing ranges of motion, then you're just hyper-mobile. Yeah, now you go to the gym and let's say you have, let's say you have an inch more range of motion in your squat and you put the weight
Starting point is 01:00:52 that you normally work out with on the bar and you go down on that extra inch. Just because you have an inch of extra range of motion doesn't mean you have that, doesn't mean you have that inch with control strength, with the same amount of control strength you had with the other inches that you've been doing for a long time. And this can become a problem. If you have all this range of motion with no strength, you're setting yourself up for injury. And this is where injuries
Starting point is 01:01:14 tend to happen. Injuries tend to happen in spaces we don't have control over. So a lot of times people will be like, oh, you know, I squatting hurt my back. No, you hurt your back. You went into a position, remove or a speed or whatever, you didn't have control over. And that's what gave you, that's what gave you the injury. That can happen with yoga. If you do yoga where you get in, because I've watched people do yoga and I've taken it
Starting point is 01:01:38 and you get into the pose, you get into the stretch and you kind of sit in the pose of the stretch, allowing your joints to support you, not supporting you with strength. And so you're not building strength within the new range of motion, you're just making yourself, you know, more unstable. Have you guys ever trained yoga, like hardcore yoga practitioners? No, I, oh, you mean actually training clients. Oh, yeah, absolutely. No, there's some of them. It's crazy. If you're, if you're like a all yoga person, and then that's all you do,
Starting point is 01:02:05 and you have those people do strength exercises, their mechanics are crazy bad, especially like a compound lift, like a squat, like their body just rude, like the knees collapse in, they fall forward, even though they've got this beautiful yoga pose and they have great flexibility, they've just never trained the strength in that range of motion. This is also too why, I mean, this last,
Starting point is 01:02:26 what's been almost two, three years now of my journey of increasing my mobility, and I've had many learning lessons of re-endering myself along the way, but because of getting excited because I have this newfound range of motion in my squat, I mean, my squat has completely evolved over the last three years,
Starting point is 01:02:43 and a big part of that evolution has been able to, the ability for me to be able to get down into a really deep squad and have good control and strength there. But what would happen to me a lot of times is, you know, I'd work on the mobility and like, okay, now I can sit down and then I'd want to challenge it. Like, oh, let's throw three plates on my back
Starting point is 01:02:59 and see if I can sit down in that position. And then there I go, and it's hurting myself. So I've had to learn that the hard way of, every time I get this new, found range of motion, I have to then treat it again, like I'm moving from square one, strength wise, build the strength up slowly and gradually to where, okay, now I feel comfortable with 225, 275 down there.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Okay, now I can sort of push those limits at 315, but to go, just because I can squat 3.15 to parallel, no problem, to also going three inches below parallel with that 3.15 on my back. That's a new found range of motion for my body and I have to address it correctly and build strengthening it as if I'd never really squat it because my body doesn't know that. It's never squatted that deep before with that much weight. Yeah, this is definitely, I mean, to know, to refer back to the previous question, like, this is something nice to work on because I used to have a couple of yogis out train.
Starting point is 01:03:51 And that was like the biggest thing for me was like controlling the weight, you know, and like, like a lot of times like they would use a lot more momentum to kind of bounce, you know, the weight out and, you know, I'm trying to like control the tempo. So they really had to own, you know, each portion of that specific range of motion and that specific part of the movement. So, and this is another thing too. Like, and I used to train like, I remember this girl, she was into gymnastics and we had the similar issue because it was like a lot of really flexible movements she was capable of and was just like, you know, could do amazing things as far as like back flips and you know, all these and generate a lot of force, but it was like, you know, the whole body. And so she couldn't really segment, you know, like just doing like a bicep crawl was tough.
Starting point is 01:04:42 And so like her arm would just move all over the place. And so it was interesting because, you know, that's a totally different, you know, mentality, like is to be able to, you know, really squeeze and add, you know, and own that movement with you. Well, there's different, there are different adaptations. There's different pursuits. Yeah, exactly. One is a purely flexible.
Starting point is 01:05:03 And the other one we're talking about is strength, and even though they can both contribute to each other, they also can be conflicting with each other. If you're 100% all mobility or flexibility focused, it's going to hinder a little bit of your strength gains in that direction. If you're super, because everybody knows if you're super tight, you have an increase in risk of injury.
Starting point is 01:05:24 But people don't realize that being super flexible without strength also maybe equally or even worse increases risk of injury. I've had clients who, because flexibility can be quite genetic. I've had clients who had very lax central nervous systems when it came to flexibility. And they were, they'd come to me totally deconditioned,
Starting point is 01:05:43 they never worked out and they could sit in a split, they could totally bend themselves forward, their arms could bend behind their back, no problem, lots of flexibility. And they were very hard to train. I had to stop their range of motion short, not because they couldn't, but because they shouldn't. So it's different, like when I trained someone who's tight,
Starting point is 01:06:03 they're like, oh, this is as far as I can go down because it's real tight, that's different. I would train some of these clients who are super lax and then less common, but they're still, I would still get them and I'd be like, stop your squat right there because I can see that you're just losing control, losing back because they could go all the way down
Starting point is 01:06:17 all the way up, no problem, but then their mechanics were all over the place and whatnot. Now here's the thing about yoga. If you do it right, if you do yoga right, you shouldn't create instability in your joints. If you do it wrong, and you'll know, because good yoga instructors will tell you, don't your joints shouldn't be supporting you.
Starting point is 01:06:33 It's your muscles. Keep tension. They'll say, like, if you get into warrior pose, like, keep inward tension with your legs. You're not just supposed to just sit there and relax and let your feet push out against the mat and sit with your joints and tendons and ligaments supporting you. You're supposed just supposed to just sit there and relax and let your feet push out against the mat and sit with your you know You're joints and tendons and ligaments supporting you You're supposed to maintain tension within these poses and they know it's to avoid this the problem is
Starting point is 01:06:53 Yoga is typically done in a class Mm-hmm. All instructors are not great so some of them will just take you through the poses and you just do them or whatever And so you can develop some of these some of these problems by Taking classes this way, but well it's the same problem because like people get into the mentality of the end result whatever. And so you can develop some of these, some of these problems by taking classes this way, but well, it's the same problem because like people get into the mentality of the end result, the end goal. Like so even if I'm doing a lift, like I'm just trying to get the weight off me, you know, instead of really paying attention to like everything that's going on and like really understanding like what, what should be firing where you should
Starting point is 01:07:22 feel it, like all those, all all that feedback that that's so crucial Oh, I think if I think yoga when done properly is One of the best forms of flexibility training you could do if you were to do in a class setting nothing beats You know mobility work that's individualized and stuff like that. That's always the best But if you were to take a class or you wanted to do something that you could just follow someone or whatever, yoga, if done properly, absolutely phenomenal. I don't know if you guys know one of the reasons
Starting point is 01:07:52 why yoga was created, one of the reasons it was to help yogis develop the flexibility and strength to be able to meditate for hours on end. So they do these poses and stuff to give them, to make them so they can be comfortable while sitting in these meditative poses to, you know, whatever, search for enlightenment or whatever. Next question is from Hunter Given. Is it good to get your body fat percentage up every now and then if it is usually low? Who's who's walking around with it too low? Yeah. That's not a lot of people.
Starting point is 01:08:23 Not me. Not a lot of people walking. So you know what though? Some people, I got a message from a lady who was asking me, you know, if she, if I could help her get leaner this and that and the other and want to work with me and and she sent me a picture of herself and she's probably sitting at 12% body fat. I think she's got some body image issues going on. Super lean. Obviously, if she's at 12 and she's asking you to get her leaner. Yeah, and you could see in her face, you need some body fat on your body. You need to start eating more. So that's the conversation that I'm probably gonna add. Yeah, if you have like signals like you get... Well, it's like hair loss and like all these like types of things that you're paying attention to.
Starting point is 01:09:00 You know, when you're walking around super lean all the time and your body is just like fighting it. I think there's a benefit to fluctuating your body fat anyway, a little bit, right? It's there's a benefit to eating less food. There's a benefit to eating more food. If you're walking around super lean all the time, try eating, now I don't necessarily think
Starting point is 01:09:22 you should aim for more body fat. That's gonna happen, especially if you're really eating, but eat more of the good healthy stuff and watch how your hormones and stuff, I know too lean of a body fat affects your hormones negatively as well. Men's testosterone will drop and women will, the hormone or progesterone will get all out of the way. And then going back into a surplus being like a superannabolic experience, like that's beneficial for just that alone.
Starting point is 01:09:44 Yeah, I'm just trying to think right now how many people that I've met that need to get their body fat percentage up. There's for sure these cases, and I have had these people that have hired me that have body image issues, but it's really obvious, like you're saying so. They walk in and they already look anorexic
Starting point is 01:09:59 and they're asking for me to help them lose more weight. If you're that person, then yes, adding some body fat, adding some weight, eating more calories, yes, yes, yes, all the way, most people, I think, would benefit more from taking themself into a lower body fat percentage than they've ever been, then taking themselves to a higher body fat percentage they've never been. Most people are walking around carrying themself at plenty high of a body fat percentage. Yeah, we don't have a lean. Yeah, we have't have a lean. Yeah, it's not the problem.
Starting point is 01:10:25 We have an obesity epidemic. Yeah, I'm just kind of wrecking my brain right now of all the people that have ever walked in and hired me and I went, hey, you know what, we need to put some weight on you, man. Like, let's increase that body fat percentage. They all have massive famine. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:40 Or the only cases I can think of is exactly what South said, which are there is a percentage of these people that have major body image issues and they're anorexic or bulimic. And they, or even just people who are like, you know, like to compete and just, or who in that world and just wanna stay shredded all the time. Or like you're, so I've, I've had, okay,
Starting point is 01:10:59 here's another one, here's one, try, except I'm trying to think of some of the cases, ultra marathon runner, I've had like an ultra marathon runner or somebody who runs a ton of marathons and they run, run, run, run, run and they have really, really low body fat percentage that I could see a place for them like, hey, you need to put some weight on. And but again, I would still encourage them to, I wouldn't necessarily encourage the increase in body fat as I would increase in muscle mass. Like, I would be like, hey, maybe we pull off the running so much, let's increase your calories,
Starting point is 01:11:26 let's lift some more weights. I think that you put you in a much healthier place. I've had some female clients where this more common with women, because men can get away with being lean long periods of time more than women. We have a limit too, but a woman will lose her period or become super irregular. And it really throws off a woman's hormones. I mean, typically, okay, if a woman walks around like under 15% body fat all the time, she probably should bring it up every once in a while.
Starting point is 01:11:55 That's general. I know, I hate saying that too, because Katrina is an anomaly with this, where I mean, I've been with her for eight years and she's never been above 14. She's between 11 and 12. It's general. I mean, I've been with her for eight years and she's never been above 14. She's between 11 and 12. It's general. I mean, you could say maybe under 12 or under 13,
Starting point is 01:12:11 but I would say, let's get your body fat up because your estrogen and progesterone are all over the place. Energy's low, your libido is being affected, so you have lower libido. You'll find higher cravings, especially for things like sugars or serotonin boosting type foods.
Starting point is 01:12:27 Sleep may be off, skin starts to get affected where your skin is, you just don't have the same quality of skin or you break out a little bit more. And those people tend to benefit. You bump their calories up and get them to go up a couple percent body fat. And all of a sudden they're like, whoa, I got so much more energy. I'm sleeping better. I'm stronger in the gym. I feel better.
Starting point is 01:12:49 My skin looks better. My hair looks better. And that's usually where I see, you know, where I see some of the benefits. Now, men, this is a guy who's asking, by the way. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I just pulled up his Instagram to kind of see where he's at. Yeah, no, he looks great. I mean, I think I think I shit, I think he's in a very healthy place right now. I went through and clicked through some of his pictures. He's built very similar to my body type. Like if I were to lean out, not be focused on adding
Starting point is 01:13:14 and building, like, it's kind of what I would look like. This, like, he kind of tossed, skinny guy, but he doesn't look unhealthy skinny at all. I mean, he looks in great shape, to be honest. So, but what's great about somebody like this, I think he's in a good position to go either direction a little bit. Like, you wouldn't be, it wouldn't be bad if you decided to get shredded for a little bit, get a little bit lower body fat. It wouldn't be bad if you decided to add a few calories and you put on a little bit of body fat. You're in a really healthy, good
Starting point is 01:13:39 place, which that, that's where I think that the healthy place is. The healthy place is, when you're in a place of body fat percentage that you could go north or south a few percent and you're still considered healthy. Like that's really healthy is being in a place where hey I could add 3% body fat over the next month because I went traveling or I enjoyed myself and I'm still considered healthy.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Or I could decide I'm gonna get shredded for Vegas cause it's a month away and I could drop 3% body fat and I'm still considered healthy Like that's a really good place to be body fat percentage. I looked at this guy's Instagram and I would say that you were in that place Yeah, I when I when I go on medical journals and stuff and in the Walmart They'll they'll list like what's considered athlete healthy under fat over fat For women. I'll see anything if you're below 14% for for women, typically they'll say, you're starting to get to the under fat. And I think the way they're calculating this again
Starting point is 01:14:30 is based on a woman's hormones and men's, like is her period stopping. But I've known women who lose their period at 15% body fat. And there's other things that can affect that too. Just, you could be at 20% lose your body fat, excuse me, lose your period because your stress is too high and stuff like that. But having too lean a body fat will do that as well. For men, the list below like 5%.
Starting point is 01:14:50 And I think I can agree with that. I think if a guy is walking around at 4% or 5% body fat all the time, he probably should bring it up a little bit. Yes. But you could see the difference there, right? Right, right. You could get away with it. Like, I can look at his, he's single-digit body fat.
Starting point is 01:15:03 He's probably... Yeah, yeah, I would say between seven and nine, it would be my guess on this guy, which that's right where I said, where he could go north 3%, he could go south 3%, he'd still be in a very healthy place. So I think that's a great place to be. Eton Pitson party. Next question is from Megal 678.
Starting point is 01:15:22 Do you feel as if a poor diet can lead to increased injuries? Oh, of course. Yes, of course. Yes. You know, when I first heard this, so back when I had my studio, this is along my first had it, this young lady worked with me who was, she did hormone testing and gut testing and all the stuff that I thought was crazy back then that now I talk about all the time. And she was telling her client that, you know, reducing his intake of foods he was intolerant to and reducing inflammatory foods would lower his back pain. And I remember hearing her say this and thinking,
Starting point is 01:16:00 you're crazy. Yeah, I get the fuck out of here. What are you talking about like, okay, is he getting that inflamed, that systemic inflammation is causing the pain? So that's the direction I was going. So when he left, now I did respect her enough to ask her and want to talk to her about this, but I had my opinion, right?
Starting point is 01:16:17 So I sat down with it, I said, I heard you telling, you know, so and so that, if he changes diet, his back wouldn't hurt anymore. I said, explain that to me because I see he's got poor dysfunction, he's got, you know, bad muscle function, he's got, you know, bad biomechanics and imbalances. Correct those in his back pain will go away. Why are you talking to him about his diet? And she goes, no, no, no, she goes, you're right. Those are also important. She goes, but look, let me explain in his particular case. She goes, your gut
Starting point is 01:16:45 is surrounded by all these muscles that support your spine. And when your gut is inflamed, it's pushing things out and it's changing angle of pull. So what does that mean? Well, if I put your hamstring in an extreme stretch, you're not going to have nearly as much strength as if it's in a comfortable position. When this person's gut is distended and inflamed, it's changing activation of his so-as and hip flexor muscles and his core muscles. That's properly. And he did have a big kind of distended belly.
Starting point is 01:17:14 And when she said that, I thought, oh shit, that kind of makes sense. Now the other side of it is also true. Systemic inflammation definitely can happen from food. Now that systemic inflammation could cause pain, but it can also contribute to injuries because when you have more inflammation, it can change how you move.
Starting point is 01:17:33 And once you start to change how you move, now you may set yourself up for more pain, or more risk of injuries. This was it, we got this asked the other day about the inflammation. People didn't, what do you guys mean by that? When you guys talk about inflammation in the joint because you eat food? And People that have it. It's like very obvious like you you can feel
Starting point is 01:17:53 This nagging pain that you just get out of nowhere, right? You just elbows bother you Shoulder bothers you need bothers you and you didn't have like some serious injury That ever happened to though any of those joints you just know that they ache and most people attribute that to getting older. I mean, I mean, how many clients have you guys had come in when they come in to you and they'll be like, oh, you'll see, wait till you get to my age and it's just when you get older, everything starts to break down on you. It just hurts. Well, a lot of that is where it has accelerated because of the American diet and because of all these pro-inflammatory foods that we're constantly consuming and eating.
Starting point is 01:18:29 And then you ask somebody who's got bad knees and you're trying to, you know, quote unquote bad knees or because they have aches and pains there and the aches and pains are caused because of inflammation. The inflammation is caused because of the poor diet and then you ask them to do a squat or do a movement.
Starting point is 01:18:47 It's very natural for the body to move away from the pain or to deviate because of a loud signal. Right. That signal is there while you're doing the movement before you even get started. And you know how that is when you feel something before you even get into the actual workout. And you know, fighting all this inflammation internally, is definitely gonna carry into, you know, like feeling that throughout your body.
Starting point is 01:19:13 It's gonna carry throughout. It's all connected. So, because I've debated people this before and they'll debate with me and be like, no, food doesn't make a difference this time the other. And they'll say, look, have you ever felt pain in your body because you were stressed? For example, a lot of people will say, tight neck. My neck and my shoulders get really, really tight when I'm stressed out. Now, why is that? Well, when you're really stressed out, you hold your body a little bit differently.
Starting point is 01:19:37 And because you're holding your body differently, it's going to hurt a little bit differently, or it's going to hurt more. You also under stress produce more inflammatory chemicals because your body thinks they're under stress and is trying to repair things. And so you have more systemic inflammation. Well, how you eat can also affect inflammation. And when you're inflamed, it'll affect how you move. And so now I'm moving slightly differently
Starting point is 01:20:00 because I have more inflammation for my diet. Now that slightly different movement now is causing long-term problems. Now when you do an MRI of my shoulder, what looks like it's causing the pain is like, oh, we need to shave down the humerus because you've got some impingement. But we don't know that that impingement
Starting point is 01:20:18 was caused from dysfunction and movement, which was caused from inflammation, which was causing a move. So it just goes down the chain. What do we do? We try to, we go in and we do surgery. We remove some of the bone there. Now you don't have impingement anymore.
Starting point is 01:20:30 We never really fix the root cause. You would be surprised how many people get a reduction in pain from just changing their diet. And I would have argued this myself 10 years ago to say this is bullshit, but it's not, I've seen it, it's, you know, it's only hard, why it was hard for us to understand was because we were 20 something years old And it's and it's still proof back there. It's still hard for me to get this through to somebody who's following us on Instagram We're talks to us and they're 25 years old It's but it's really really fucking easy for me to communicate this message to a 45 or 50 year old really easy
Starting point is 01:21:02 It's like I get it. Yeah. You explain it to someone who's 45 plus your entire poop schedule. And they'll tell you because all these things that you start saying, it starts like, you know, bells start going off in their head like, oh my God, yeah, I remember when I'm like. Disaffected me because of this. And I remember my elbow just had a nowhere
Starting point is 01:21:18 starting to bother me so bad that I can no longer do these bison curls. Or I remember my shoulder bothering me this much so I just stop bench pressing. Like all these things they can start connecting. It's when you're 25, you're full of piss and vinegar, you don't have a bunch of injuries, you're still, you're still are able to work through a lot of this inflammation that you don't even really notice any of it.
Starting point is 01:21:36 That's the person that this is hard to communicate this message to. Look here, what are some of the hallmark symptoms of a very inflammatory infection like the flu. Let's talk about the flu for a second, or you get a fever. What are one of the hallmark symptoms of having those things? Body aches. You ever notice that?
Starting point is 01:21:53 You have the fucking flu and it's affecting your lungs or nothing. You just have a fever or your sick and you're literally stiff and painful everywhere. Back hurts, knees hurt, elbows hurt. Everything just hurts. Or how about this? The day after a day of binge drinking.
Starting point is 01:22:09 You go out on your party, here you go, you're a 27 year old kid, you know what this is like. You go out on your drink and you party like crazy. How great does your body feel the next day? Do you feel loose and mobile? And do you feel pain? Do you feel pain in your joints in your body? Every time you bend over, does your back hurt?
Starting point is 01:22:24 When you try and go try and squat and see how tight you are, that systemic inflammation. Now I'm giving you extreme examples of really acute kind of systemic inflammation from an infection or from a day I've been drinking. You can scale that down by quite a bit, but it's still happening, but it's cumulative. So let's say every morning you wake up every morning
Starting point is 01:22:45 and you have a bowl of Captain Crunch cereal and for lunch every day you have a candy bar and then for dinner, you know, you have some other shit and you do this over a period of time, that is a level of systemic inflammation higher than you could, you should be at and that affects everything. It's carrying over.
Starting point is 01:23:01 It affects everything, how you move. By the way, inflammation is strongly connected to states of mind. They have found that reducing inflammation will help people with anxiety and panic attacks and even depression. They're even finding with depression. This is why some people will, now they have what are they called, nutritional psychiatry where they're solving people's mental issues through changing their diet. Why do you think it's happening?
Starting point is 01:23:24 Why would they, all of a sudden, they start to be able to think better? Because they've reduced their systemic inflammation. So, which is, which is now, how irritable are you when you're in pain? It's slowing down the process of circulation of blood, right? I mean, that's really what's causing that when you talk about the brain and the,
Starting point is 01:23:39 and it affecting you that way. And you're not, you're not able to circulate as much blood at such a fast rate. Well, I think really just these inflammatory markers, they go in and they cause, they send a signal to the body, but they cause damage when it runs rampant. We need inflammation to tell our body what to repair,
Starting point is 01:23:57 but too much of it just wreaks havoc on our bodies. Too much inflammation in a joint will destroy it. Look at rheumatoid arthritis when people have it, and their hands, look at the size of their joints. It causes lots and lots of problems. Well, systemic inflammation causes it everywhere. And sometimes it can pull in an area. So if you have an area that's kind of injured,
Starting point is 01:24:17 then you increase your systemic inflammation, that now that one injured area feels way worse. But it can affect everything including the brain. And how often have you guys had this before where you've had a client that's been told that they have like, versitis or something. And then you, you know, and they're telling them that if it continues this on,
Starting point is 01:24:32 they might have to have some sort of surgery. And then you clean their diet up and then versitis completely goes away. They don't have any more symptoms of it anymore, right? Dude, I had a, it shows up in all kinds of different forms. I had a surgeon that I trained, one of my favorite clients, great guy, but also pain the ass, older guy.
Starting point is 01:24:49 I mean him would get into baits all the time in discussions. Not really debates, because I was very respectful of his position and his intelligence, but I would suggest things, and we would discuss and we'd go back and forth. And one of the things that we talked about was the effective food and pain,
Starting point is 01:25:07 cause he had lots of back pain, and we would do all his correctional exercises, but he had this really distended gut, and I knew it was cause he was in flame, and he could a lot, lost some weight. And I said, you know, if we change your diet a little bit, you'll get less back pain. He's like, well, it's because I'm losing weight,
Starting point is 01:25:20 and I'm lighter. I said, no, I said, I bet you if we change your diet, and you eat the same calories, don't lose any weight, you'll start to notice less pain in your back. And so I suggested that he eliminate two foods that I was pretty certain that he had in tolerance as to, that he eliminate gluten and dairy, which is very common a lot of people. He agreed to it, finally agreed to trying it out for two weeks. And he came back to me and very stubbornly, he's like, well, my back doesn't hurt anymore.
Starting point is 01:25:45 When back to eating it, back pain came back, went off of it, back pain went away, and he's like, this is really crazy that this really affects my body this way. And I'm like, listen man, I'll send him studies, and I'm like, these are preliminary type evidence, but for sure it'll affect how your body feels. It affects so many other things.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Why wouldn't it affect those types of things as well? And it's really this belief in understanding that the human organism is complete. Everything from your mental state to your gut health, to your bone health, your strength, your mobility, your mental, it affects the whole. You affect one thing, it affects everything. And so what you eat has an effect on everything,
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