Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 864: The Max Amount of Protein You Should Eat Per Meal, How Aging Affects Metabolism & Weight Loss, the Value of Lifting Straps & MORE

Episode Date: September 22, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the max amount of protein you sh...ould eat in a sitting, whether using lifting straps during farmer walks is beneficial or if it is counterproductive to the purpose of farmer walks, the order of operation for getting someone healthy and strong and losing weight in 50s because of age and slow metabolism. Has Sal’s “Hangover Remedy Antidote” increased their Organifi sales? (3:34) Influencing each other, in the wrong way? How you can overdo anything. (5:30) The stress involved with travel. (6:53) Has the victimhood mentally gone too far?? Mormon blogger says men are '100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies in powerful Twitter thread. (10:10) Locus of control phenomenon and how most of our ideas come from our own experiences. (16:04) Throwing a wrench into the machine. The importance is communication and having those tough conversations. (24:45) How putting a priority on health/fitness bleeds into all aspects of your life. (29:20) What are the biggest lessons learned from fitness? (34:25) The feeling of empowerment and taking full responsibility for your actions. (36:25) “Real” empathy vs. “fake” empathy. (43:00) #Quah question #1 – Does the amount of protein you eat at a sitting matter? (45:47) #Quah question #2 – Can using lifting straps during farmer walks be beneficial or it is counterproductive to the purpose of farmer walks? (55:37) #Quah question #3 – What is the order of operation for getting someone healthy and strong? (1:09:07) #Quah question #4 – My parents say they have trouble losing weight because of age and slow metabolism. They are in their 50’s. What are your thoughts? (1:19:58) People Mentioned: Michael Wood Jr. (@michaelawoodjr)  Instagram Stan "Rhino" Efferding (@stanefferding)  Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Everly Well **Code “MINDPUMP” for $15 off any test** Mormon blogger says men are '100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies in powerful Twitter thread 6 Signs You Were Raised By A Toxic Mother Locus of Control The Secret To A Great Butt | Mind Pump Media Joovv ** MAPS Prime w/purchase of $500 or more and free shipping** Get our newest program, MAPS Strong, an expertly programmed and phased strongman inspired training program designed in collaboration with World’s Strongest Man competitor Robert Oberst to trigger new muscle building adaptations and get you STRONG. Get it at www.mapsstrong.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, this one of MindPump, for the first 40 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. Interductory. We start by talking about organify and how much they have grown with mind pump.
Starting point is 00:00:29 I think. Yeah. Kick it ass. Yeah, we get our little reports and it looks like our audience is loving their products and Adam thinks it's because of my hangover remedy which includes the organify probiotics. It's kind of funny.
Starting point is 00:00:42 If you go to organify.com-flash-mind pump, I wonder. Enter the code MindPump. If you go to organifi.com-minepump, I wonder. Enter the code mind-pump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talked about vacation frustrations. That's a prime, that's pretty good. We talked about the power of being a victim. That's right, people find power in it and the value of self-responsibility,
Starting point is 00:01:01 we got little rante on that part of this episode. Good fun though. Kind of a little motivational soapbox test. That's right. Then we talked about the butt building blog and mistakes people make when they try to build their butt. And atoms disappointing, everly well, testosterone test, everly well does hormone tests. They did their job well.
Starting point is 00:01:18 They did their job well. It's okay. It's going up. It's changing. It's sad music. Everly well sends these tests to your home, you can test your hormones, you can test your gut, a lot of different at-home tests,
Starting point is 00:01:28 they are one of our sponsors. If you go to Everlywell.com and use the code Mind Pump, you will get 15% off any test. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, does the amount of protein you eat in a sitting matter? For example, this person's heard the old saying that you can't utilize more than 30 grams of protein at a sitting.
Starting point is 00:01:49 What? Yeah, so you could just eat a shit ton of meat, like specifically. And not get fat because you don't have 30 grams. Is it a myth? Yes it is. Find out why in that part of this episode. The next question was, can using lifting straps during farmer walks be beneficial? Or is it counterproductive?
Starting point is 00:02:07 What is our stance on lifting straps in general and in particular with the farmer walks? Next question was, what order of operation do we follow for getting someone healthy? For example, nutrition, walking, workout, sleep, etc. Which one comes first and why? A little debate in that part of this episode. And the last question, this person's parents are having trouble losing weight due to their age and slow metabolism and they're in their early 50s. Is that a viable excuse or are they just trying to make excuses? Sucking up buttercup! That's right. Also, map strong
Starting point is 00:02:43 is available now at mapsstrong.com. It's our newest program. It is a strong man inspired workout program. It is fun, it is functional, it is different, but you can do it in any gym. You need is barbells, dumbbells, squat rack, adjustable bench. Trap bar is preferable but not necessary. So basically most of you could do this. It is different. it is advanced though.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I will say it is an advanced program. For the rest of you, we recommend that you start in a program like Maps and Obolic. It's not for Cicis. That's right. We also have bundles like our Maps Super Bundle. This is a year of programming. All planned out for Cicis.
Starting point is 00:03:20 A full year of programming. It's our Super Bundle. You can find that at mapsfitnisproducts.com and you can also find mapsstrong at mapsstrong.com. Dude, you guys see the, so obviously we're sponsored by our GANIFI. And every week we get a report on how, I guess, well we're performing.
Starting point is 00:03:44 So when you have a podcast and you get sponsored, you work with sponsors. we get a report on how, I guess, well, we're performing. So when you have a podcast and you get sponsored, you work with sponsors. There's different ways to get compensated. And a lot of times, I'll be competitive. Yeah, and a lot of times, I'll let you know, like this is how many people have come over to our site because you're show and this, that and the other.
Starting point is 00:03:58 And, you know, over the period, how long have we been working with Organifi now? Almost a year. Yeah, over the year. Over the year, we long have we been working with our Ganta Fein now? Almost a year. Yeah. Over the year. Over the year, we've seen it steadily grow. And I think part of it is our show grows, but I think the other part of it is. It's a quality product. A lot of people are going back.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Yeah. A lot of people are going back and telling other people and using our business. Well, there's some initial reserve because it's a higher price type of a product. And we knew that kind of going in, which, you know, there's a little bit of that like competitive wise, you can go to like a Costco or like one of these other like a Walmart or something like a protein powder right? Everybody could do that. But you know, like if we're going to put our name on something, it's got to have substance.
Starting point is 00:04:39 I attributed to your your hangover remedy because that was about two months ago or so. When you first noticed, is that what's going on? When you introduced it to all of us. Taking the probiotic. Because let's be honest, dude. Let's be honest, everybody likes to have an occasional drink. There's very few people probably listening.
Starting point is 00:04:56 I'm one of the few people that don't, I don't like the drink. I rarely ever drink. Yeah, I think I influenced you guys. And I have been able to drink more in the last year because of your little hack of the charcoal and the probiotic Combination and it's been we gotta be careful don't play I don't want people to go go crazy now I'm like we're honest. We just listen. You're not trying to say it's backed by science or it's fucking for sure
Starting point is 00:05:16 But it's it's fucking working for me. Yes And I've gotten d. O's from people that have done the same thing and they said fucking it works It's weird. It's totally weird and you're right, Justin. We are influencing each other except in the bad ways And I've gotten D.O.ns from people that have done the same thing and they said fucking it works weird It's totally weird and you're right Justin. We are influencing each other except in the bad way I know right Adam and I influenced you and bad ways we influenced you because now you consume cannabis and you influenced us And we drink more now what the fuck is going on? It was like two weeks where to go help help me help podcast wait I mean you had no cannabis for two weeks. I was it. I feel so sharp health podcast. Wait a minute, you had no cannabis for two weeks. I was it. I feel so sharp. Yeah. See? Not a lot of weed smoking.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I'm not a lot of wheat smoking. None. None. Is it illegal? Yeah. Yeah. It's legal. Yeah. Wow. I don't think it's super legal. But it's it's a yeah. I'm sure like there's yeah. There must be some like medical places. Like I can get it. But I don't I didn't see any. So you said you feel sharper. Yeah. Did you get really vivid dreams after see any. So you said you feel sharper? Yeah. Did you get really vivid dreams after not having it for about five or six days? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Yeah, that's a, that's a withdrawal. That's from that, huh? That's withdrawal. Oh man. Yeah. And that weird, do you have weird dreams? Yeah, like they're very detailed and like you're a little more sexual than normal.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Ha ha ha. Tell me about the one with Adam. Was that mean sex? Oh, I'm gonna hear about the one with Adam. Oh, that one, I don't wanna get into that. You know how fascinating. He's here in the one with Adam. Was that mean, I'll go the one with Adam. I'll go the one with Adam. Oh, that one, I don't wanna get into that. You know how fascinating, he's not. He's here in the room with us. Yeah, I don't get into that.
Starting point is 00:06:31 That's awkward. No, but it gets turned on by the story. But it's definitely something you can overuse, and when you overuse it, you just not a sharp, you know what I mean? You just not. On the flip side of that though, like it does help me to, like, if, you know, to calm down my ever spinning mind, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:47 so it's a great tool for that. Hey, you know, I didn't get a chance to ask you because we talked about all the positive things of the trip, but normally when you travel that far, there's some frustrating shit that happens. Any fights or any fucking, you didn't want to chuck your wife out the other window at times. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I mean, traveling that far is stressful. And being together every single day is as lovely and connecting as always, let's be fucking real. Yeah, but there's no work, no kids. It's kind of a good environment. Well, I'm curious, did you have it? Yeah, I haven't. Well, it was great, but yeah, there were some little moments
Starting point is 00:07:15 where we separated. We were like, okay, I'm doing my fucking thing over here. I'm here, do your thing. Oh, you guys went different ways that we'll come. Yeah, we had our own space where we were like, choose reading a book and I was kind of like, in my own space doing my own thing and like, I, you know what, one of the-
Starting point is 00:07:30 My hand puppets. Yeah, I wanted to go out, dude. Like I'm like a social guy. You know, like I like to like be amongst people and like get into live music and, you know, and that's not her thing at all. And so the first, the one of the moments was like, I'm doubling right now, right?
Starting point is 00:07:47 This is like the place you go to go out in like experience like awesome music and like people are like crazy and awesome like and you want a party. Like I wanted a fucking party. You should not want a party. So we got into a little rift there, but then I actually just like,
Starting point is 00:08:03 I was like, you know what, this is all just me, like I want this. Like I was like, so we got into a little rift there, but then I actually just like, I was like, you know what, this is all just me, like I want this. Like I was like, so I just like, you know, I was like, yeah, I'm on fine side. But yeah, that was probably it. Oh, that's a very, that was really it. That's a great evolved way of thinking. I like that.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Yeah, I think as you, especially when you're with someone for a long time, or maybe as you get older, you start to say those things, whereas when you're younger, you're like, fuck you man. Yeah, it's all about me. You don't wanna do thing, I wanna do, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I cop myself. Well, it's cool when you've been in a marriage as long as you guys have, because you guys been here 10 years, I just attend your anniversary, as you guys, is you start to get,
Starting point is 00:08:38 not everybody, but I think it's healthy when you see couples like yourself who can do that, be like, hey, you know what, like you wanna do that, I wanna do that that because I'm gonna go do this new, it doesn't mean we love each other less. Doesn't mean we can't go enjoy. You know what I'm saying, we got 14 days together. I'm thinking, one day, if you go in your direction
Starting point is 00:08:54 and be going my direction. I'm gonna shuttle the whole time, right? Right, it doesn't have, I think there's nothing wrong with, that was important to me. That's security. Yeah, that was important to me in my relationship is your independence. And I wanted a woman that wanted independence that way too,
Starting point is 00:09:04 because. Because you value your own. Right. Yeah, it's an important aspect of relationship. Otherwise, it's just insecurity is I think what ends up driving people to feel like they have to do everything together and they can't separate and they can't like their own things. And that's not a good thing.
Starting point is 00:09:19 You definitely want to create an identity together as a family, but you want to maintain your own identity. Otherwise, you can get law. And you know, here, you know, and I've seen really bad effects from people who lose their identity because they become, you know, codependent. Mom or wife or dad or husband,
Starting point is 00:09:37 and they don't have their own individual independence. This happens, it's easy to happen. Happens all the time. You just pour yourself into that role and it just becomes who you are. And then yeah, you can start eliminating like what used to make you tick back in the day and you lose sort of like some of the passion there.
Starting point is 00:09:54 So yeah, I'm always constantly kind of evaluating that and trying to make sure that I keep some of those things I really enjoy and like what makes me tick. Like I wanna keep that involved, you know, and what I'm doing. Did you guys see the article in the forum yesterday that got all the heat? There's all kinds of comments all over it. Which one was it?
Starting point is 00:10:13 We had a lot of things that were going on fire last year. So this one, which was pretty insane and, oh, and then there's another story related to this that I'll tell you guys. So someone posts an article and it's this woman who wrote this whole article saying that men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies. So yeah. This is what? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:10:37 She writes this whole article saying that men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies because women are only fertile so many times during the month and men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies because women are only fertile so many times during the month and men are 100% responsible for their ejaculations. And so therefore, we are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies. And of course, it stirred up a little bit debate. I got very irritated because it highlights the,
Starting point is 00:11:02 and it's not because I'm a man. Anybody on our forum agree with that? We have a lot of smart people. I'm gonna say our forum's way too smart. There was one person that was, there was one person that was agreeing with the segments of the argument, but was also saying that it went too far,
Starting point is 00:11:13 but 99% of everybody was like, this is, and that's why the person posted it, the person posted it saying, hey, this is stupid. Why would you, why would you say this? You're, you're victimizing women, you're making men the oppressor, and you're also eliminating
Starting point is 00:11:26 the responsibility that a woman has for herself as well. And this has nothing to do with- That's the two-way street. Yeah, it irritates me not because I'm a man, it irritates me because it highlights what is happening with this victimhood mentality right now. And I had another experience in San Diego with Jessica. So we were at a restaurant and we're sitting there eating and next to us there was these two older guys probably in their at saying they're 60s and they were drinking wine and getting a little loud but nothing obnoxious
Starting point is 00:11:53 or they're just having a good time and having great conversation. Well the guy, one of the men was talking about how his wife has cancer and how, she got tested for this particular gene. I think it's called the, I think it's called the BRAC gene. If I'm not mistaken, maybe Doug could look it up if you have a second. It's a gene that if you have, it'll say that your chances of getting breast cancer are higher,
Starting point is 00:12:21 but she didn't have it and they went back and forth and then they got into discussion about You know, I don't know why doctors tell women that they should remove their breasts if they have this gene because it's not a hundred percent So they get this this whole discussion Well, while they're talking it's a BRCA gene. Sorry BRCA gene While they're talking This girl who's maybe I don't know 20 something talking this girl who's maybe, I don't know, 20 something walks over to them while they're having a conversation.
Starting point is 00:12:47 She goes, excuse me. And the guy looks at her like, you know, how can I help you? And she goes, I can hear what you're saying. I'm waiting to go to the bathroom. She's right next to them. So it's not like he's screaming. And she's like, and I find what you're saying extremely offensive. She's like, nobody, nobody tells you what you should do with your testicles. So I don't think you should tell women what they and the guy's like,
Starting point is 00:13:07 huh? And he goes, my wife's got cancer. She's going through therapy right now. Like I'm talking to my friend and he's like, look, I apologize. I'm not trying to. And she's fucking berating this guy. Now Jessica is fuming. Oh, I bet she's filming at the map. And I'm looking at Jess and I'm like, just let's stay out of her for a second. Don't say anything. Yeah, it was ways. But she can't.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Get her Jess. She can't. So she said, I would totally be egging it on if I was there. So she tells the girl she goes, excuse me, she goes, he was talking to his friend, she's not talking to you. You need to stay out of the comfort, so she starts talking.
Starting point is 00:13:40 The girl's friend looks at Jessica like, we're leaving right now, she's like, well, you need to leave right now. I looked at my Jess and I'm like, keep it, you know, she's like, well, you need to leave right now. I looked at my, Jessica, I'm like, can I keep it? So this poor guy is getting hammered having his own conversation with a girl that's saying, you have no opinion because you're blah, blah, blah,
Starting point is 00:13:52 and I'm a victim and all I'll blah, which was insane. She leaves when they're getting ready to pay the bill, I tell the guy and I'm like, hey, man, I'm like, you weren't being offensive. You weren't that loud, and plus you're having a private conversation. And he goes, look, man, he goes,
Starting point is 00:14:05 I'm going through it right now, my wife's having, and I could tell I could feel this guy's pain, and I could see why he was having this conversation. And it just, again, it's highlighting this interesting phenomena, victimization that's happening. And it's funny, I read an article today that talked about Carl Jung, who's this famous psychoanalyst,
Starting point is 00:14:24 who's one of the fathers of modern psychology. And he had an experience when he was 12, where he was at school, didn't like school. He got picked on by a bully, bully pushed him down. He lost consciousness for a second, and obviously a very intelligent guy, Carl Jung was brilliant. Immediately became aware that he liked the fact
Starting point is 00:14:45 that he got pushed down because now maybe he doesn't have to go to school anymore. So then following days going to school, he would have these fainting spells where he would pass out and his parents pulled them from school. And then he realized he wasn't as happy as he thought without this much responsibility, but he'd still get these fainting spells
Starting point is 00:15:02 when he would apply himself. Then he was in the garden one day, an overheard his dad talking to someone, and the person talking to his dad's like, how's your son doing talking about Carl? And he said, oh, it's, you know, it's really sad what's going on with him. I don't know how he's gonna be able to take care of himself
Starting point is 00:15:15 with this, he's not gonna be able to support himself. So Carl, young at that moment, it's like, like, this isn't right. I need to do something about it. Went and pushed himself to study, fainted a few more times times and then it went away. And then he realized this was something that I had created within myself.
Starting point is 00:15:30 And so he talks about this, how much power we give, how much power there is in being a victim, how it absolves you of responsibility and how, and now the author of this article talks about in today's society, how many kids suffer from things like anxiety how many people suffer from these ailments and how you get lots of it's a great Excuse many times and also you get lots of attention. Well, it's in special privilege It's it's can be tough right did you read the article that I posted on the forum?
Starting point is 00:16:01 The six six or six ways you know you were raised by a toxic mother. I did, it was good. Yeah, and that's what happens to a lot of people, right? And that was just an example of, you know, these are common things that you tend to have this co-dependent relationship, you tend to blame others, there's that you tend to seek approval. You, what was some of the other ones like,
Starting point is 00:16:24 God, what was some of the other ones that were on there? But all these are things that are really, really common that we find, and there's a lot of people that grew up in broken homes. So much of these habits and ways that we formulate thoughts and our emotions come from these patterns that were created when we were children. And they just become solidified into adulthood.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And you just think that's how life is. But what you don't realize is you've created that. Now, my mom or my parents may have been the ones that stimulated that. And then I responded and then, but it took me years and years of like analyzing myself to unpack that and realize like, that's not everybody or that's not right.
Starting point is 00:17:06 That's just, this was my experience. And therefore, this is how I view everything. And I think that's, we're in this place right now where, they call it Locus of Control. And speaking about you in particular, Adam, you did experience a lot of difficulty, but you also adopted an internal locus of control, meaning you believe that what you do
Starting point is 00:17:32 has a much greater impact on what happens to you and that you have more power over your life than external forces. Now, some people and a lot of people, and especially in today's society, we promote an external locus of control. You're a victim, they're oppressing you. You can't do this because you have anxiety
Starting point is 00:17:54 or because you have allergies or because you're this skin color because you're this gender or whatever. And it creates this psychological phenomena. This is, by the way, this is a real observed and established psychological phenomena that happens is by the way, this is a real observed and established psychological phenomena that happens where you develop this what's called external locus of control where you could have very easily at them. You could have very easily through your circumstances Developed a way of thinking where I'm a victim of all these external things I can't control and that's just the way it is
Starting point is 00:18:20 And a lot of people do that. They don't take can they don't well I think even I did. I think I did for a very long time. And I think it's, I think it's even being a self-aware as I like to think I am. There's certain things that when it's, when it's been cemented into your brain that early on, it's really tough to get anyone to break, break that and think, and think otherwise. I'm really excited about this interview that we have on Friday with Michael Wood because we're going to get into some really edgy stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:51 I subject matter. Yeah, because you have a police officer who was in Baltimore, who witnessed a lot of racism and profiling and did a lot of shady stuff as a company openly admits it and talks about it. He's a supporter of Black Lives Matter. But I have a lot of shady stuff as a company openly admits it and talks about it. He's a supporter of Black Lives Matter. But I have a lot of questions for him in this topic that we're talking about right now because much of our ideas come from our own experiences and it's really hard for people to break through that and to be able to objectively look at it and think,
Starting point is 00:19:23 well maybe that's because nine out of the 10 experiences that I had played out this way. Therefore my brain is the way it's programmed is to predict and then to assume that that's how things are. And no one could tell me otherwise because in my brain, 90% of the time that happens. You can't tell me otherwise. But there could be a person on the other side of the planet or on the other side of the country who has the complete opposite.
Starting point is 00:19:48 My nine to 10 example is a nine to 10 example of the opposite for them. And so then we're not willing to even admit that that could be a possibility. Right, right. Yes, so there's no communication that can even occur between the two because it's such on polar opposites
Starting point is 00:20:05 of perspective. And I think, too, like me being away from America for two weeks was insanely enlightening, as far as like understanding where we are in the climate of the culture, just like the overarching, just like we're overcorrecting right now. We're in this phase of like everybody has a voice, everybody has a concern, everybody has an experience and wants to you know, present that and and of course everybody needs to have a platform to speak and have representation, but just we're in a state where we're trying so hard
Starting point is 00:20:45 to please everyone and we're trying so hard to overcorrect problems that we see in everything. And it's just, it's such this chaotic, like over negative, just cloud that everybody's sort of experiencing right now. And it's really sad. Well, there's a couple of things that I can see, that I personally can see pretty clearly.
Starting point is 00:21:08 And it's first off, if you make someone feel like a victim, it's easy to sell them something, it's also easy to manipulate them. So who does this? Okay, well, pharmaceutical companies do this quite a bit, right, you've got, look at the commercials that are on. Do you feel sad often? Do you feel like normal shit, right?
Starting point is 00:21:25 Take our pill, right? So they're doing that. You have politicians, if they make you feel like a victim, you will vote for them and they've known this for a long time. So they push it. And by the way, they spend a shit ton of money on this kind of presidential elections alone cost a billion dollars, just that period of time.
Starting point is 00:21:44 That's not including all the money that's spent throughout the year to do that. News networks, news networks, if they make you feel like a victim, you will watch their news. Turn on the news. You've never heard good news on the news. Never.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Why? Because we're wired to be drawn to bad news. It's our own fault. We're telling them that's what we want. And that's the thing. I think people need to start to realize, like, okay, we're being them that's what we want. Well, and that's the thing. I think people need, we need to start to realize like, okay, we're being manipulated into believing we're victim.
Starting point is 00:22:08 And then it's easy to sell because on the outside, if I say this person over here is a victim, you need to be empathetic towards them. We confuse, we start to think differently of empathy. Real empathy is this. Look, if I have a child, let's say I have a child that's born with a severe ailment, let's say that they can't walk or something, right?
Starting point is 00:22:29 I'm gonna be empathetic to my child, but real empathy is, wow, that's a tough situation, but I'm gonna set you up to succeed and I'm gonna tell you that you're gonna have to... Here's tools. You're gonna work your ass off and you're gonna do just as well or better than everybody else. Real empathy isn't, oh my god, poor you. We're gonna take care of
Starting point is 00:22:49 everything for you. You don't have to do anything because you were born with this particular situation. There's a big difference between real empathy and the fake condescending type of empathy. Where are right? Oh, you have ADD, poor you. You know what? Let's, you know, or you have this, oh, you know, poor you, look at, everybody's got something, some worse than others. But if you adopt a internal locus of control, if you adopt the belief that you really control the vast majority of how you feel about things and you have the control, you hold the steering wheel
Starting point is 00:23:21 for most of the things that happen in life, which is I can make, strike and make a very strong argument that is very true, then life is going to feel a lot different. Even if it isn't true, it's going to feel different. If you're, if people in life, if all of a sudden we have the scientific breakthrough, we realize we just discovered, oh, there is no free choice, everything is completely predetermined, you have no control. Do you know what will happen to a lot of people? They'll feel depressed, sad, they'll feel Oh, there is no free choice. Everything is completely predetermined. You have no control. Do you know what'll happen to a lot of people? They'll feel depressed, sad.
Starting point is 00:23:47 They'll feel nihilistic and what's the use? What's the use, right? Even if it's true that having an internal locust control doesn't change much for you. Just believing that is better and changes how you think about things. And so that's the big issue I have. So I read articles like that.
Starting point is 00:24:04 I'm like, what the fuck are you guys? What do you mean man are 100% if obviously if it's voluntary sex, you've already taken the risk. Anytime you have sex, you take a risk for getting pregnant. It's a very strange article. That's responsibility on two parties immediately just consenting to that.
Starting point is 00:24:20 It's just insane to me that someone would write an article like that. And then that someone that people would Reate would share it and be like oh, this is this is so true. Was it a popular article that you tell? Oh, it's been going all over the place really Yeah, it's been going all over the world. Wow partly cuz it's probably polarizing to though, you know probably cuz it's a shock That's a good point. You know, it's it's it's its own clickbait in a sense, right? So someone someone puts that out there because I was ramping all the so high right now. Well, this is also why I think, I mean, this is the reason why I believe that
Starting point is 00:24:50 Trump even got elected. I don't think he could get elected any other time, but we're in such a, you know, we were swinging so hard left. And we, and you could argue that we needed to. You could argue that there, you know, 20, 30 years ago where we were at, you know, that we were. Oh, but if we wouldn't have had a, we, Obama would not have existed if it wasn't for Bush. And Trump wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for Obama. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Right. And so, this is why, this is why I still have a lot of love, empathy, and hope for our the human race is that we tend, this what's neat is that because we're so connected and information can travel so fast, I feel like the swings happen quicker. So like in the past, you get a president run like that and then we have decades of this hardcore conservatism or you have this hardcore liberalism.
Starting point is 00:25:40 You go back and forth and it takes decades for it to turn where I feel like an agenda comes out and it maybe it needed to correct something and it goes too far. It's not very long before it starts to come back the other direction before people are going, okay, yeah, I think we need to do this, but this is getting a little out of control now. And I feel like we're in that state right now, and so I don't have this alarmist type of attitude or I just I just think it needs to get counter- Yeah, I think it is though. I mean, the fact that Trump is in presidency is enough in that being said right there.
Starting point is 00:26:11 The guy is complete opposite. He represents, he's a wrench is what it is. And a lot of people wanted to throw wrench into the machine. Well, my hope is in those sort of monk debates and those things that, you know, that's what I like. You know what's coming up is that people are willing to have like hard conversations with each other because it's like, let's communicate.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Okay, if there's problem, let's communicate about it. Let's get both parties involved. Let's not isolate and be like, you're either on this team or you're not on this team or like, no, let's stop doing that shit. Well, America used to, it represented for a long time. This can do attitude, this, you know, individualism. I'm an individual, I'm responsible for myself.
Starting point is 00:26:51 I control the things that happen to me. It's represented that for a long time. And it's, maybe it's starting to change, maybe not. But if it is starting to change, I think it's because we've had good times for a little while. And I think people, I mean, when we're not challenged by major, major things, we tend to find problems. Yeah, we tend to find things that we think are, or we try to create problems or challenges. And so it just gets frustrating for me.
Starting point is 00:27:16 It's pretty funny when you think about it. And when you, I know you love to draw back to evolution. And when you think back to hundreds, thousands of years ago, the types of things, the dangers, the fears, the things that we were challenged with every single day, that it's almost like that was necessary for our evolution. And now where we're at in our society, we don't have those fears anymore. Like, we're not going to starve. No alliance, not going to jump out and eat you anymore. So then we seek out and we find adversity. Where's the danger? We are wired.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Just scanning wires for that. Think about it. If you're in a tribe, which we lived in for most of the time we're on earth, and people are giving you good news, hey, yeah, nobody, hey, yesterday nobody got eaten, hey, you know, that's great.
Starting point is 00:27:58 And then someone has bad news over here. Everybody wants to hear the fuck about bad news. Yeah, because you give the bad news first. But it's hard to gauge that now because when you hear, first of all, that when we're gonna try, you're listening to the people around you. So it is important to listen to the bad news, right?
Starting point is 00:28:13 We don't, it doesn't work that way anymore. I'm watching the news for something that's happening across the world, something that's happening in another state, but my brain perceives it is right in front of me. It hasn't changed, right? It thinks it's happening right in front of me. When in reality, look, if Justin comes into me and he's like, dude, in the parking lot right now,
Starting point is 00:28:30 someone just got shot. I should pay attention to that. Yeah, because it's Justin. And you might get shot when you're in the parking lot. Where is this guy? Yeah, it's very different. You know what, you know what, you know what, it's not true.
Starting point is 00:28:41 And you know what's funny, you know what I really like about fitness is when they, and they've done a couple of these polls, when they poll people who are really into exercising and working out and do it consistently, people who go in that direction tend to also have the internal locus of control mentality. And it makes perfect sense. People who are successfully working on themselves. Yes, people who are successful fitness in the inner truest sense
Starting point is 00:29:06 tend to have this attitude of I You know, I want to develop this part of my body. I'm gonna work on it or I want to you know be healthier I'm gonna work on it or I'm gonna train myself to feel better because you can also see the victimhood mentality when it comes to health I mean there's a lot of people out there who Or feel like they're victims of you know I mean, there's a lot of people out there who feel like they're victims of, you know, absolutely. I'm on all these pills, like nothing's working for me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Genetics. Yeah, society's diet, Americans diet, you know, food, cheap, you know, shitty food is cheap and fast food is everywhere and I'm busy and I can't work out. And so they don't take that control and they just sit there and let themselves gain weight and become less healthy. And then people who tend to make fitness a priority believe, well, yeah, those things all exist, but I have a lot of control. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:50 And I'm going to change those things. And so it's no surprise that people who tend to be successful entrepreneurs or people who tend to overcome lots of odds also make fitness a big part of life. It's a greater percentage of people in that category work out than don't. It's much easier to avoid struggle now. I think that we're not teaching kids how to embrace the struggle and overcome the struggle. Was that even look like anymore? That's a huge foundational quality.
Starting point is 00:30:22 That's why fitness is so rad because all those principles and lessons are built into it. It is hard. It does take self-discipline. It does take commitment. It does take consistency. It isn't easy. There isn't like a for sure answer for every single end of it. That's what makes it so beautiful is that if you take the time
Starting point is 00:30:43 to apply yourself to figure out Your own personal health and you keep yourself in a very fit healthy state What it took for you to do that? Man what the carryover and how you can apply that to everything else in life is unreal It's that's why I've always fallen in love with fitness and I always came back no matter what other businesses I've done I've always came back to this one because nothing has been as fulfilling as as working on myself and being a healthier person Like that's part of my job
Starting point is 00:31:11 And the people that listen and that people put that together and really put it I mean really push themselves to a new level If you can you take those exact same principles and rules and you apply that in every aspect of your life You'll be blown a fucking way and it and And it bleeds into the rest of your life. Right. It always, almost always bleeds into the rest of your life. You know, if you ask, if you took a group of very consistent fitness fanatics who had a healthy relationship with exercise and nutrition, so I'm not talking about the ones that are unhealthy, and you asked them, what is your favorite, absolute number one favorite thing
Starting point is 00:31:46 about your consistent workouts in your healthy lifestyle? And you really boil it down and you really ask deep questions and you boil it down. What you're gonna get is a majority of the people are gonna say the self-empowerment. And I can say that as well. I love the results, I love the strength, I like the flexibility, I love being able to be mobile,
Starting point is 00:32:03 I love the way it makes me feel. I love all those things, but what I love the strength, I like the flexibility, I love being able to be mobile, I love the way it makes me feel, I love all those things, but what I love the most is the self-empowerment that fitness has brought me. And it's what I grabbed onto as a 14-year-old kid, as a 14-year-old kid who was painfully skinny, very unethylatic, I felt like, you know, inadequate in a lot of physical senses with my peers and all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:32:24 I took the attitude of, I'm going to change something, I'm gonna work hard at it, and believe me, that 100% contributed to my attitude to business, to my attitude with family, to how I handled my divorce and my children, and how I handle everything. 100% it taught me all of those lessons, because in that lesson of fitness, I learned after school,
Starting point is 00:32:46 you know, I used to come home from school, I'd go in the backyard, and I mean, not knowing any better, right? I don't know that I was working out too much. I just thought, I would go out there for two hours and I'd work out and I'd read books on it and I'd do it and I was consistent as fuck and I always applied myself and then I could start to see changes
Starting point is 00:33:00 and it just reinforced this attitude of, if I want something done, the best way to do it, or at least the way that is guaranteed that something's gonna happen, is if I sit down and I start to make it happen, if I sit back and wait for shit to happen, it's, I become, again, I become a victim, and I wasn't about to do that,
Starting point is 00:33:18 and I think that's an attitude that, yes, there's potential for everybody, not everybody's brilliant, not everybody's a pro athlete, not everybody's got a great family, not everybody was brought up with money, not everybody has their circumstances, but if you look at your life, you could 100% draw a line and say,
Starting point is 00:33:37 here's your potential. Here's your potential for how shitty your life could be, and it could be really fucking shitty. In fact, the potential for negative is limitless. Pretty much anybody can get their selves to a point where they're suicidal if they really wanted to. And then the potential for positive. There's some limits there.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I could never be a pro athlete, but could I get to a much, much higher part of my potential if I apply myself? Absolutely. I could never be a Stephen Hawking. He's a brilliant, brilliant one, the smartest man of all time. But I could definitely elevate myself to my highest potential with that internal belief of that I have that control,
Starting point is 00:34:12 that I can apply those things. And I think that that's the message that we need to start fucking telling people, instead of it's 100% other people's fault, something happened to you, like come on. Let's change that attitude because it's not doing anybody What are some of the greatest lessons you think you've learned when
Starting point is 00:34:28 In health and fitness and training and working out like right away. I think of You know How many times I've failed and how many times I tried to apply something in hopes that It was gonna be the right direction or I would get a certain result and I didn't I think I think I've learned about failure More more in that than anything else. That's the lesson. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:49 I think where a lot of people get frustrated and maybe it's part of this, this victim role is, you hear on the podcast, you know, the guy said, do this, do that, do this, and then they go, do this, do that, do this, and they don't see the results that they wanted. And so, I'll fuck them. Quick enough.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Right, fuck them. Well, they're right, I'll fuck them. Oh, they're wrong. I'm gonna go try somebody else. And it's like, no, it's not how this works. What everyone is so individual and unique that no matter what we say on your share, we might give you some general rules that help people out. But at the end of the day,
Starting point is 00:35:19 you've got to put the work in and failing as part of the process. And that's what you've got to be okay with that. Because every time you fail, you learn something new. Like, hey, that doesn't work. That's not the path. Or it wasn't the result that I wanted. So maybe I go this direction.
Starting point is 00:35:33 So I think that was one of the biggest lessons that I learned with health and fitness. And it's constant self-assessment. You know, and it's understanding that, you know, things might not play out the way you want, or what you were doing was working for that one time period. I was 20 something years old,
Starting point is 00:35:51 and everything was working out great, because I was applying this specific amount of intensity. I was in this type of a food. I was in this environment. Now I'm trying to recreate that, and it's not working. And why isn't that? I have to totally reevaluate now my strategy. And you have to be comfortable with your ego
Starting point is 00:36:10 and that you have to totally start over again. And starting over again process and this change, which is real change, real change is difficult. I'm as a luring as it is to be a victim. And it is extremely a luring because you have to, you get to absolve responsibility. As a luring as it is, I'm going to tell you right now, try, try personal responsibility and try in the internal locus of control because I promise you it feels a lot better.
Starting point is 00:36:40 There's nothing, it is hard, not saying it's easy, but it's way more powerful and to feel empowered is a feeling that you cannot replace. There's nothing like it. When you feel empowered, life is no longer what happens to you. It's no longer, you're not just coasting around feeling meaningless. No, you're navigating.
Starting point is 00:37:00 You're fucking navigating and even when shit goes wrong, you have that sense of, well, what else can I do? And it's a great feeling to have and it's not something that you should, it's something you should try. And really try it. If you're listening to me right now, listen to this podcast and you've got,
Starting point is 00:37:15 you know, you feel like you, you, it shit's happened to you. A lot of shit's happened to you. Try this mentality. Try saying to yourself, yes, a lot of things have happened to me, but I have a lot of control too and I'm gonna fucking change that and apply that just apply that mentality Really adopt it and watch how it feels. Yes, you'll have more responsibility on your head on your shoulders
Starting point is 00:37:34 Yes, you'll probably have to be challenged. You'll have to work hard. It's still gonna be challenging way more way more rewarding I just wrote a blog that talks a little bit about this where, you know, I was looking at systems that I wrote a whole blog on how to build your on how to build your butt. And so I went before I wrote the blog at Dillal Research and I saw that butt implants have grown considerably over the last five years, more and more women are getting butt implants or more and more people, but definitely more women. And I wrote in the article that it annoys me a little and it's not because I think people shouldn't do what they want to their bodies or because
Starting point is 00:38:08 cosmetic surgery is bad. It's totally up to you to do whatever you want. It's because I know that the butt is a muscle and that you can develop it. And I know why a lot of people are getting butt implants. It's because they got some shitty routine online, went to the gym, applied it, doesn't work, fuck, I need to go get butt implants.
Starting point is 00:38:28 And it's part of what we're talking about right now. It's that they're applying something, it doesn't work, and rather than trying to figure out the right thing to do, because there is a right answer. I promise you can build your butt if you apply the right things. But because they try, it doesn't work real quick, they're like, I'm gonna go do this surgery,
Starting point is 00:38:46 which is not the easier option, by the way, it's actually a harder option. Cost more money, a lot more complications, you gotta recover and all kinds of action. Well, I'm dealing with that right still right now with my testosterone. Like it wasn't like this, you know, XYZ, oh, do that, I'm fine, I'm good, and I treated it like that.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Like I went from feeling terrible, right? We're not one of my nine months into this whole thing or ten months into this whole thing and talked about those first three or four being some of the worst times literally of my life as far as battling mental depression and trying to deal with that hormonally. And then I started to get really consistent with my training. I started using the juve. I'm starting to do all these things that, okay, this is supposed to help me out. And I saw this little increase and it was like, oh, cool, I'm coming back. I feel really good and I took my Everly Well test and I scored in this lower but normal
Starting point is 00:39:37 range. That was like a victory for me. And I got so excited that, okay, I fucking fixed myself that I kind of let off some of the consistency of some of the things that I was doing. I didn't tailor back at all, the marijuana like Sal did, and I just retested again. And I'm like, I mean, I'm about the same. I'm like two points lower, but I haven't progressed.
Starting point is 00:39:57 And it kind of, the first initial response when I opened it, I was depressed. I was down, I was bummed about that. I was like, fuck, I didn't fix this. You know, and instead of just saying, like, oh, fuck, you give up, I'm fucked forever. Let me get back on a cycle, start taking HRT again. I'm very much so tempted to do that.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Like, I just want to, I want to feel great. Like, I want to feel, I want to have a high libido. I want to lift, like, I can know what I can lift. I want my strength back where I know it can be. Like, I want all those things, and it's really tough because I've already told myself, I committed already that, I bear minimum, I would give myself a year to a year and a half
Starting point is 00:40:34 of consistently trying to figure this out, and can I get this up naturally myself? And hey, I was on the right track doing some of the right things, I got lazy with some of the consistency that I was doing and then the results showed that when I did the test. And it's like, it could be very easy for me to take that, oh fuck, you know, it's fucking, it's gonna be that way for us to cause.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Right, right, not even try, but I'm determined to try and figure this out. And there's no, here's the thing, here's the thing. There's no guarantee that you're gonna succeed. No, but that's it. And there's no, and here's the thing, here's the thing. There's no guarantee. Right. That you're gonna succeed. No. But that's not the point. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:09 The point isn't that you're guaranteed to succeed. The point is that you're guaranteed to have an attitude about it that's gonna serve you in a way that makes you feel empowered. Because at the end of the day, if you try everything and you do everything and you fucking, like you will, and at the end of the day, you're like, it didn't work, it's not working.
Starting point is 00:41:25 That's a way different mentality to go in and get HRT than saying, you know, I gave it six months and I didn't do what I was supposed to do. Right, right. Because I know deep down inside of me, there's things that I could do better. I mean, and using marijuana as an example, I mean, I consistently smoke almost every night.
Starting point is 00:41:43 And so that's something that I know that I could potentially cut back. I was trying to do everything else without doing that. And now it's like, okay, well, this is something that I, if I really want to see this continue to increase, maybe I have to go this direction, and I have to do that also. In addition to that too, I was really consistent
Starting point is 00:42:01 at the beginning, like doing the jive light and doing all that stuff. And now I'm like, I hit her miss. When I can, I do it, where before I was really consistent at the beginning, like doing the Juvely and doing all that stuff. And now I'm like, ah, hit or miss. When I can, I do it. Before I was like on this regimen, like I've gotta make sure I get 15 to 20 minutes. And you know, it's definitely one of those things that if I'm going to get it up naturally,
Starting point is 00:42:17 it may be something that will be a part of my life. I may have to sacrifice and let go of something that I enjoy like cannabis on a more regular basis. It might have to be a more semi-regular basis or never if I care that much about increasing that. And that's a tough pill to swallow for someone like me and it'd be very easy for me to just slide back at that. And at no point have you felt sorry for yourself, which is great.
Starting point is 00:42:40 You know what I mean? At no point have you sat there and be like, poor me, poor this and poor that. And you know, it's all, it's been this attitude of, all right, what can I do? You know what I mean? Here's the cards I'm dealt. What can I do with this? What's my next move?
Starting point is 00:42:53 What can I do with this? And so, I don't, you know, I don't wanna get people confused. This doesn't mean that, you know, I'm not empathetic or that you shouldn't be empathetic towards people. It means you should be empathetic in the truest, realist sense.
Starting point is 00:43:05 You know, when you really care about someone, when you truly care about, because there's a lot of false empathy out there. There's a lot of condescending bullshit empathy. When you really fucking care about someone, like your kids, like my kids, I really do care about my kids. Does that mean I give them candy all the time?
Starting point is 00:43:20 Because I want to eat candy all the time? No. Sometimes I don't give them candy, because it's not good for them. Does that mean that when, you that when they have a challenging situation that I go and bail them out every single time? Oh, honey, you have to do this project. I know it's hard.
Starting point is 00:43:33 You know what, sit aside, I'm gonna do the project for you. I just had a moment with that with my son who was having a really hard time understanding this math equation. And he was crying and was super frustrated. I'm like, I could easily be okay here and just walk him through it and just do it for him, right? I'm like, no, this is a learning moment.
Starting point is 00:43:52 How do we overcome this? How do we, like, you don't come back in and address this? Like, this is gonna be a continual issue that's gonna arise. You're gonna, you've figured everything out. Like, you're a pretty smart kid. Like, you haven't really had like, you're a pretty smart kid. Like, you haven't really had to face this very often, right? This is, this is, you know, a moment that
Starting point is 00:44:09 I had to like, okay, look, we're gonna, we're gonna address this. Like, you don't understand this problem, and then that's totally a normal thing. You know, like, how do we, how do we figure this out? And so we have to go through the steps and really spend the time, and it was difficult. And it was, it was, you know, it was grueling because like I had to like be committed to kind of like wait and not like interject. You know, I'm like, come on, why aren't you getting this? I'm getting frustrated, you know? But like, you know, that was learning moment for me because I really wanted to help him,
Starting point is 00:44:40 but I couldn't. You know why? Because I just, he's not gonna have the fucking tools to learn that and can overcome it because you truly care about him. Because if you was fake, if it was false empathy, you would have said would have been like, you know what son, it's not your fault, you can't do this.
Starting point is 00:44:55 It's, you know, kids are smarter. You have this problem, yeah, you have this issue and you know what, let me just do it for you because it's not your fault. And that would not help them at all. And so if you really have real empathy, you will fight against the victimhood mentality, and you will try to empower people,
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Starting point is 00:46:18 They'd hunt like a discard like all those nutrients. They'd hunt like an animal and they'd be like, you know, they'd eat it all You know what we starve? I'm not even gonna use half of it. Yeah So this was this is created. This is a myth total myth created by and promoted by the supplement industry to support their the small meals myth because if they if you believe that you need to eat every two or three hours and that you need to have up to, but no more than 30 grams of protein, which by the way happens to be the amount of protein that's found in most protein powder. Conveniently. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:46:58 If they promote that and they push that, and you're an average person who goes to work or goes to school, and so you think you need to eat six meals a day. The odds that two to three of those meals will be one of their shakes, one of their supplement shakes is very high. And so it's a brilliant way to get people to buy and consume protein supplements, but this is totally normal. I think they also, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think part of the science they used to try and support this was the amount of protein the body can assimilate at once, right? So even though you could consume 90 grams of protein and then it takes about an hour and a half to two hours
Starting point is 00:47:35 for that to basically get converted over into energy. Oh, longer, it takes, your body will, because there's a lot of enzymatic processes and things. Well, that's where body will utilize carbs and fats before proteins. It actually spaces it. Right. So I think they took the science that supports the assimilation of protein and how long that takes.
Starting point is 00:47:55 And therefore, if you eat more than 30 grams in a single sitting, you know, it's going to be hours later before your body could even use that. Or it would just end up getting turned into waste and you would shit it out. And so I think that's what they try and use, use a little bit of information and science like that to support their claims that your body doesn't utilize it. But what's so, when you think about it, and I remember we talked about this a long time ago
Starting point is 00:48:16 on Mind Pump, and I think you said it really, it's just like so obvious. Like okay, if someone ate 5,000 calories of all protein in one sitting, like would they not get fat? Would they, yes, of course they would. And if that was a hack, right? Right, that would have been an amazing hack. If you only got 30 grams of it, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:48:33 Like all the rest of it just goes away. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you see me at this end. Hey, you want to see, here's a simple secret to never get fat with your meal. Yeah. Eat it all at once. No, your body will actually, if you wait, let's say you wait 90 grams of protein
Starting point is 00:48:47 at a sitting, your body will utilize in about nine grams per hour. It actually is a slow process. It's a slow process. Your body breaks things down and slows it down on purpose so you can utilize it. Now, there are studies that, that confirm this, there are studies that show that,
Starting point is 00:49:04 eating more frequent feedings doesn't really have a huge impact on protein synthesis. And at the end of the day, it doesn't impact muscle growth. In fact, they've done studies where they've taken athletes and had them eat the same amount of calories and macros and everything in two meals or in four or five meals. And what they found was no difference. There was no difference in performance, muscle building.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Well, this is also how I decide if I'm going to use a protein shake or not, too, because I think, for some, well, not for some, it's obvious, right? We've created this fake thing called time, 24 hours in a clock and think, so we all think that our body works on this 24 hour macro nutrient clock. That, oh, okay, I weigh 220 pounds,
Starting point is 00:49:45 my body needs 180 grams of protein. So in that 24 hour clock, if I only get 160, I need to get a shake. Well, not if I had 220 yesterday. You know, say, if I had 220 yesterday, I'm plenty fine for today. And so the only way that you'll see me get my shake is if I have multiple days that I've run back to back
Starting point is 00:50:03 where I'm not hitting adequate protein. Okay, now it makes sense. Like, okay, yesterday, right, yesterday I didn't get it. Today I'm under by 40 grams. Okay, I could probably add some protein into my diet. My body's probably, especially if I'm training, right? I had a good hard training session somewhere in between there.
Starting point is 00:50:19 So I think we have this misbelief of thinking about our bodies, macronutrient needs on this 24 hour clock, and it doesn't really matter like that. If protein powder companies make their serving size, there's a certain serving size that they try to stick to because they found that more than that, people don't want to take it. And so, 30 grams is this number that they kind of invented, because that's the amount that you fit in two scoops of protein. Believe me, if it was 35 or 40 grams or 50 grams, that's what it would look like. That's what your scoop would look like. It would look,
Starting point is 00:50:55 you know, it would, that's the number that they would give you. It's completely fabricated. It doesn't, it doesn't help you. What's so, now here's the thing you should consider as your digestion. Some people may have an issue digesting more than 30 grams of protein at a sitting, in which case, you know, you might get indigestion or bloating or whatever, in which case, well yeah, then don't eat more. Obviously that's gonna be,
Starting point is 00:51:18 if I ate 200 grams of protein at a sitting, I probably would have digestive issues, which then affect my health and then can affect muscle growth and all that other stuff. So that's the thing you should pay attention to, not this weird, like you're not going to utilize or absorb more than 30 grams. It's completely constructed number. It's a general blanket statement for like everybody not considering all individual
Starting point is 00:51:42 variances and like, no, like I never trust numbers like that that are like hard you know stance it's totally just created it's just created to serve I remember reading I remember reading the the studies that they used to support this and it's not it's exactly what we're it's it's along the lines of what you said so about like your body been on the only assimilate like nine nine grams of it per hour or what about that. So they did the matter. Well, if you're going to simulate nine grams per hour, you multiply that over the day. That means the body and you break it down per meal. The most you could really assimilate is the work load. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:52:15 And let's look at it. It carries over the next day. I'm saying like if you if you ate 240 grams of protein today and then tomorrow you only eat 160. It's the average of the two It's not a different a different whole different day for you. It was it's a it's a part of a it's a part of a bigger lie That continued to to grow and that's why we believed it to be truth because the first lie that we believed that was sold to us was You need to eat small meals throughout the day And then they said it boosts protein synthesis throughout the day, so it builds more muscle. It tells your body that you're not starving, so you burn more body fat.
Starting point is 00:52:50 And then you can't assimilate more than 30 grams of protein in a sitting. So it was a part of all these lies that we were led to believe. So by the time we got to the 30 grams of protein in a sitting lie, I fucking bought it. Of course I bought it because I already bought the other lies that led to this one. And so it became a part of the, of what we call fitness, common knowledge, which is, it's infuriating at one, at some point,
Starting point is 00:53:14 because when I started figuring this out, I was like, oh fuck, these fuckers totally lied. And none of this is true. You know what's funny is that the evidence is actually counter a lot of the stuff. For example, the evidence shows that staggering your macro-new trend, protein-integg and calorie. And then a high day.
Starting point is 00:53:32 It's better. Right. You know? Right. Because what they said, what they taught us and what I believed was consistent protein-integg consistent calorie intake every single day was best. Constantly throw amino acids, constantly throw calories every single day, the same amount. So if you need to gain weight and that means you need 2500 calories a day and 150 grams
Starting point is 00:53:56 of protein a day, that's what you did every single day. And you ate at the same times every day and every meal had the same amount of protein and every single minute it was just to- Because they're looking at it just like as a math problem. Right. This is gonna equate to this, and this can be this consistent, you know, a repeatable process every single time.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Right, but the reality is it doesn't work like that at all. In fact, we evolved eating a lot sometimes, and eating nothing sometimes, and sometimes eating a lot of carbs, because that's what was around, and sometimes eating a lot of fats and proteins. And so when you feed your body, what they find now is, like, they've done studies on this, well, they'll find people, they'll compare groups of people who are trying to get leaner, and they'll put all of them on a, let's say, 500 calorie deficit on average every day, and the group one will have a 500 calorie deficit every single day. Group two will stagger, so some days it's a 100 calorie deficit. Sometimes it's a 600 calorie deficit,
Starting point is 00:54:49 sometimes it's a maintenance and so on. But at the end of the week, they equal out to the same deficit. The group that staggers tends to keep more muscle and burn more body fat. They also see this with protein. Protein, you get better spikes in protein synthesis when sometimes you have a low protein day
Starting point is 00:55:05 and then you introduce more protein again. So staggering seems to be more effective than the old myth that we were, you know, that we bought that we were sold. So that's the reality. Reality is, yeah, first of all, it's fine eating more than 30 grams of protein, probably beneficial to do so.
Starting point is 00:55:21 It's also beneficial sometimes to eat less than 30 grams of protein. And, you know, watch what happens to do so. It's also beneficial sometimes to eat less than 30 grams of protein. And watch what happens to your body. Some of my best gains come from having high protein day after having two low protein days versus having the same amount all the time. Next up is jazasore. Yeah, my jazasore.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Can using lifting straps during farmer walks be beneficial or is it counterproductive to the purpose of farmer walks? Oh, lifting straps. That's a decent question. Yeah, that's a good question. You know, here's my, it's definitely not, it's not counterproductive.
Starting point is 00:55:57 So I will argue that. I will argue it's not counterproductive. Well, what's the productive part of a farmer walk? Right. And then we gotta start with that. Right, because you're getting a lot of great you're eliminating. Yeah one vital component You are you're you're definitely limiting grip strength. Yes, but you're not you're not eliminating your your trap stabilization You're retracting your shoulders being able to carry stabilizing the load and yeah, your muscles are definitely
Starting point is 00:56:21 Yeah, the argument I'll make in this by the way, this doesn't apply to the high super high level, ridiculous strong athlete. So what I'm about to say applies to 99.9% of who's listening right now. This isn't for the strong man who can, you know, farm or walk with 700 pounds or the body builder. This is for everybody, including myself and including the guys in this room.
Starting point is 00:56:43 And here's the thing, if you can't hold it, then you may actually... You may actually be causing your... You may set yourself up for more risk for problems, because your grip is a... If it's... It might be a limiting factor to protect you a little bit. Like, I know, so I've done farmer walk, so I... With map strong, we include heavy carries as part of the work sessions. And this was the first time I'd ever done heavy carries
Starting point is 00:57:06 consistently in a work, I've always done them, but it's always been thrown in here there. This was the first time I did it consistently and I got fucking great results. Yeah, I was gonna say, that has to carry into all the rest of your lifts that you bench, dead lifts, everything else had to be affected. Well, I got to the point where I was doing
Starting point is 00:57:25 485 pound farmer walks with a trap bar, just my grip, and it was very challenging, very difficult. Now, could I have walked with 550 pounds? Or 600 with straps. Yes, would that have been, but why? Way more dangerous, but why? Yes, that's what it, it's not counterproductive and that's why I wanted to clear that out. But it's, but why?
Starting point is 00:57:46 It doesn't, you're not getting that much more benefit by strapping up other than feeding your ego, right? Exactly. Typically it's an ego boost. Right. I mean, when I do our farmer carries in here, and this is before we just got the new trap bar in here, I mean, I just grab the heaviest kettlebells we have.
Starting point is 00:57:59 I mean, I'll tell you right now, walk in 50 yards. It does a job just fine. Hold on to them thick ass kettlebells. Like, they got a wide grip. Yeah, count for it. Well, that's a good point because when you do farmer walks, part of the form, because remember, form is important with exercise, right?
Starting point is 00:58:16 When you're doing farmer works properly, the goal is to walk with as much weight as possible period. The goal is to walk with good control. Right. Now, if I'm loading a bar so fucking heavy that I can't hold onto it with my hands, as possible period, the goal is to walk with good control in the form. Now, if I'm loading a bar so fucking heavy that I can't hold onto it with my hands, that's probably means that my form is not gonna be great. I'm probably kinda, and that's almost what it got to
Starting point is 00:58:34 when I was doing the 4.75. Now, I have really, really strong hands, I have a really strong posture, your chain, I could deadlift a lot. But if I put straps on and walked with 5.50, say what? I said due to heavy masturbation. Sorry with 550, say what? I said, do to heavy masturbation. Sorry, heavy, heavy.
Starting point is 00:58:46 If I walked, if I did it with straps and did one up to 550, my form wouldn't have been ideal. I would have carried it, but my form wouldn't be ideal. The other thing too is this, your hands connect you to the world, literally anything you try and do in the real world, if you want to lift something or pull something, you have to be able to grip it. There's no other way to do this, naturally. real world, if you want to lift something or pull something, you have to be able to grip it.
Starting point is 00:59:05 There's no other way to do this naturally. Our hands are designed or we evolve, however you want to word it, to be incredibly strong. Our hands are supposed to be very, very strong. The problem is, we never train them. And then a lot of people, lifters, use lifting straps all the time. They are really strong backs, really strong biceps. Their grips fall behind and then they have this hole like, oh, I need to use wrist straps. I need to use straps.
Starting point is 00:59:27 They are reliant on them. And I really, and I'm not like condemning wrist straps or like belt or anything like that. I just tend to think like if I'm competing, it makes sense. Like if it's part of the competition, if it's loud, if other competitors are using them, then you know, that's a component that I'm going to consider. And you put it in implemented into my training program. Otherwise, if you're an average person, it just does not make any functional sense to
Starting point is 00:59:54 me to include it. Well, I use it this way. They're in my bag, right? They're in my bag right next to my shoes and right next to my belt. And they get pulled out of there occasionally. And I utilize it as this tool. And, and I've used it from lots of different reasons, but it's definitely not something that I want to teach myself to get used to having to use. Like, again, like the shoes, you know, the ideas that I
Starting point is 01:00:17 work on my ankle mobility so I can get in that deep of a squat. But do I still use it because I know I'm not all the way there yet? Like, I mean, if I could have a beautiful barefoot squat, there would never be any reason to use a tool like, like squat shoes. But because I came from so far away from that, I could barely break parallel. And it's taking me a really long time to work to where now I can ask to grab a squat.
Starting point is 01:00:38 But even then, I'm still not all the way where I want to be. So occasionally, when I go really heavy, and it's not what I'm doing to warm up or 200 pounds, when I start squatting 300 plus pounds, I might throw my shoes on just because I'm pushing a weight that I might be compromised a little bit, and so I want that little advantage just to protect myself. The difference with squat shoes in a belt though,
Starting point is 01:01:01 is they offer a little bit of protection. Risk traps don't. It's not like you need to use them to protect your risk. Well, no, so I'll show you, I'll tell you how I've used that. In that, in this case, so wrist wraps, I just, I used them the other day, first time, and literally, at least a year. I can't remember the last time I used them for deadlifting. I rarely ever do it, but I did it the other day.
Starting point is 01:01:20 And I did it the other day because I, this day, I literally was just, I really wanted to work on my, my negative in my deadlift. You know, a lot of times we get into this lifting really heavy and, and I was just ripping it up and then just letting the weight fall down. And I wanted to resist it. I wanted to actually put a lot of emphasis
Starting point is 01:01:37 on the eccentric motion of the deadlift, which a lot of people I think neglect. And so I'm only doing like 315, which is really light for me in a deadlift, but I'm taking like a four second negative on the deadlift. And I didn't want my grip to be the limiting factor for what I was trying, the adaptation
Starting point is 01:01:53 that I was focusing on there. So I wrapped up and I used that so I could lock my wrist in and I could just think about my hinging at my hips. Like using the condom. What? What? Not really. You know, sometimes you want to be a protection. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Right guys? Not to say anything. Nothing like that. But if I can't go as fast as I can go, I'm like, you get what I'm saying though, right? Like, so there's times that I'll pull these tools out of my bag and I will utilize them because there's something very specific that I'm trying to do and I'm not worried about the one time
Starting point is 01:02:31 I'm deadlifting and worried about my forearm strength, diminishing or not being able to hold it. What I all like care about that day is that I'm trying to focus on something and now I don't have to think about grip because it's all locked in. I think there's isolated incidents where you use it. That's a example. But here's the thing, a lot of people don't realize
Starting point is 01:02:50 the full capacity of grip strength because we never train it and we never test it. Your hands have an incredible capacity for strength. We evolved from fucking primates for fuck's sake. We can have incredibly strong hands If you don't believe me go feel the grip go go try and swing a hammer with some with some construction workers For a day and watch how your hands fall apart those guys will swing it around like it's like a ways of like it's a feather Because they've been doing it for a long time. The hands can be very strong
Starting point is 01:03:20 So lunch for a while with plumbers. I did that one time in my Hands can be very strong. It's a wrench for a while with plumbers. I did that one time in my, they form fatigues so fast. Hey, look at Olympic lifters. Olympic lifters can jerk a weight off the floor with incredible speed and power, five or 600 pounds, which probably on their grip feels like a lot more
Starting point is 01:03:38 because of the speed of the lift, and they can still hold onto the bar. And they use tricks like using a hook grip or whatever. Well, to add to your point, to test this, I challenge someone to do this. Go do heavy farmer walks without any straps. Don't go to fatigue, literally do like one or two sets and then go over and do some like heavy bench press and see how much you feel, it's way easier to stabilize the dumbbells and how much easier they're to control them.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Check a prime. Oh yeah, it primes your form and your CNES so well. That's one of my favorite ways to use the farmer carries. I'll grab those kettlebells. I'll walk up our gym two or three times. Then I'll go, especially when I'm going to do a heavy chest day, which sounds weird because it will you would think it doesn't have a lot of carry over into that, but I've noticed a big difference when I'm having to hang on to them, kettlebell, them heavy kettlebells,
Starting point is 01:04:27 then I go over and I go un-rack, hundred pound dumbbells, throw them up to go chest press them. I'm in such good control, my grip on them, and it's a big difference. You have all the slightest light grip or a soft grip on dumbbells, and you're pressing them. They're already unstable because of their independent, and if you have a weak-ass grip on them,
Starting point is 01:04:46 it's crazy different. There's such a capacity for hand strength. And look, here's a deal. For a lot of my lifting career, I used wrist traps. I did too. I used them for a long time. Why? Because the bodybuilder said that, you know, you hit your back more, you can use more weight.
Starting point is 01:05:02 I was concerned about using more weight. And so I used them for years, even when I deadlifted when I rode. Anytime I did back day, I had my wrist wraps. I used them when I used to power clean all the time. And mainly just because I wanted to make sure that I had that accounted for. That the grip part of it,
Starting point is 01:05:20 like just to have a solid grip, but made things so much smoother in the form was way better. Well, one year, you know, I was messing around and wrestling with my dad and my dad worked hard, you know, blue collar his whole life and plus he was a judo guy when he was a kid. My dad's hands, his grip is like, they call him bice grip when he did your jitsu with me. And I remember grappling with him and, you know, I lifted weights and I was a strong dude, but he would grab my arm and I was like, holy shit, this guy can manipulate me with just his grip.
Starting point is 01:05:46 Yeah, he's like, crushes you with a handshake. So I decided I'm never gonna use wrist straps again. Now it took me about a year. It took me a year to be able to lift what I could lift before with wrist straps after, but I got to that point and now I'm at the point now where my grip rarely is a limiting factor. If I can't row away or I can't pull something really heavy,
Starting point is 01:06:07 it's rarely because my grip gives out. It's usually because I can't lift the weight. Well, and Farmer walks for me, we're just so essential in that process, like building that grip strength. Like that took me a long time. Like you say, like a over a year to develop a good solid grip strength that what I could apply to deadlifts,
Starting point is 01:06:23 like it applied to, you know, like power cleanser, anything else where I was like reliant on wrist wraps to control that for me. Talk about a primal muscle. I dare you to try to find a man who doesn't work with his hands or who isn't a grappler, or who isn't somebody that's very physical for years, in years and years. Look at their forearms. Look at the muscular development you'll see on their forearms. It is a very primal muscle that signifies strength
Starting point is 01:06:51 to the point where even when they do poles of women, when they ask women what areas of the body do you find attractive? When women are asked, forearms is always in the top. Believe it or not, people don't think that, but you ask a woman if she sees a man roll a sleeves up and he has muscular forearms, it's an attractive thing because it's a display of real physical strength. Not all muscles do that.
Starting point is 01:07:10 As long as not on one arm only. Then it's weird. But not all muscles do that. You know what I mean? It's like upper back, back, you know, obliques, strong forearms, all those things. If you look at them without realizing you could look at somebody and say, oh, that person's like real world strong. You could just tell.
Starting point is 01:07:26 And so, yeah, I think we just neglect our grip so much that we think we need lifting, because I hear people say, I need lifting straps because otherwise I can't roll the weight in the ass, what are you rowing? Oh, you know, 200, like, well. You definitely don't need them. You definitely shouldn't use them 80 to 90% of the time.
Starting point is 01:07:41 80 to 90% of the time you should not be using them, but are they a tool? Can you use, I can see that. I can see there's been definitely places in the last five years, even though that we've been talking about this so much, that I still have used them. I still find uses for them, but it's so rare.
Starting point is 01:07:58 I mean, I'll get 50 workouts in before I find a time where I find it applicable where I'd say, okay, I'm gonna implement this into my routine today. So an exercise like that, notes I counterproductive, but yes, why do that? Like why when you should be, I think I've been training the grip
Starting point is 01:08:15 of this before I fall. You know, on the farmer walk talk, and because I see this a lot on insta stories, because it turns into this, you know, dick measuring thing of how much you could carry across the room, which I get it. But when I teach it, I was just teaching Katrina at the other day because she was going through strong. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, slow,
Starting point is 01:08:34 slow down as slow as you can go. Like concentrate on every step that you take. You're just treating it like hypertrophy. Yeah, I was like, and think of it like your pot, and think about your posture. Like I want you to of your your chest up Your shoulders are back. I want you to feel the way you're healed and your foot strikes on the ground Like and then as your grip starts to give out then I could see yourself speeding up to get to the other side to set it down
Starting point is 01:08:55 But really take it controlled and slow and challenge yourself and then feel what you get from it versus just trying to You know hustle across the the gym, you, hanging on as much as you're in a competition. Right. Next question is from VMA, Mr. Black. What's the order of operation you follow for getting someone healthy and strong? For example, tracking nutrition, walking, workout, sleep, et cetera. Which one comes first and why?
Starting point is 01:09:20 You got to tackle the most impactful things first. And what I mean by that is which of those will impact your health negatively or positively the most immediately. And for me it's sleep immediately. Like if you lose, if you have shitty sleep for two days, one day, you can actually see it on your IQ test, you can see in your performance, the risk of getting in a car accident goes through the room. The decisions you make nutritionally. Everything.
Starting point is 01:09:49 Sleep has got to be number one, because you can have a bad nutrition day or a bad nutrition week, and it's not gonna have nearly the impact that poor sleep will have. So that has to be the first one for me. Then the second one, I would say, is nutrition. And just because, again, it's one of those,
Starting point is 01:10:06 it's one of the most important things. But Matt, you don't have to go perfect with nutrition. Many times with clients. No, I think it's a mistake. I think a mistake that people make when they start to address nutrition is they go from one extreme to the other. You take somebody who's got terrible eating habits,
Starting point is 01:10:22 they hire you as a coach, and you start coaching them, and also you put them on their, tilapia, fucking, sparigus, and rice type of diet. It's like, whoa dude, this person was eating like shit, just like literally a week ago, and you went this complete opposite side, like no. I go nutrition first before sleep, not because I disagree, because I agree with Sal,
Starting point is 01:10:44 100% that you lack sleep enough and you'll die eventually. So you can't go without it. I just think that when I start speaking to optimizing sleep, most people for the most part are getting okay sleep. I think there's, I don't think I had a ton of clients where everyone's like, you don't get like sleeping
Starting point is 01:11:01 like in terms of hours, like I got X amount of hours and it's not really a good Determiner right so I speak to nutrition first and the way I the way I speak to it first is by having them track because everybody is Individual everybody is going to be Completely different on their the wit their eating patterns the foods that they're lacking are not lacking what nutrients They need or don't need and all I want to see is, and that's what I tell them. Like, don't try and impress me. Eat the way you normally eat.
Starting point is 01:11:29 I just want to see your pattern so I can see where we can start. And then I've talked about this on the show many times, something that I know I was doing different than anybody else that I knew that was coaching. Virtually was, I would introduce something to their diet. I wouldn't take anything away at all. I didn't give a fuck if you were eating McDonald's and shitty ass food and making bad choices all the time.
Starting point is 01:11:51 I looked at the diet and 99.9% of the time, there was always things that people were lacking that I could introduce into the diet. And what I knew that if I found somebody which common areas would be, you know, not getting enough fiber, not getting enough protein. Some of these things like this were, I would say, okay, or not getting enough vegetables and greens or not getting enough fruit in the diet. So I look at these things and I'd say, okay, you know, add this, you know, continue to eat the way we're eating, but just add this into your diet.
Starting point is 01:12:17 Now what I know is that if that's how they normally eat and they're lacking tons of vegetables, when I have a client all of a sudden add a salad every single day into their diet, naturally all of a sudden something else has to go, right? And so it automatically counters itself really well. And then it's an easier thing for people to stick to, right? It is. You know, the other thing I was thinking too, because I'm thinking in terms of clients, because I'm a trainer, because people would hire me to train them, I know the order of operation
Starting point is 01:12:47 of what would be important of things were off. So I'm referring to sleep, I'm referring to someone who's poor sleep, right? So we'd look at that first. But if someone hired me as a trainer, the reality is I would start with workout first. Now why? Because they've already agreed that.
Starting point is 01:12:57 You know what I mean? They're coming to me. I hired you for that. Yeah, and so if I talk about nutrition, or I talk about this or that, other than the workout, it was harder for them to adhere sometimes the the first place I would start many times because the easiest place to start with someone is like, okay
Starting point is 01:13:11 We're not gonna change anything you're coming to see me twice a week We're gonna work out first and then I would slowly because that Yeah, but if someone came to you and said I'm a blank slate take me talk to me about everything Yeah, that's different right right like you're right as a trainer And you could also consider the fact that like everybody, like you might get somebody that actually is getting decent sleep, you know, they've made these changes nutritionally, but like, you know that they need to
Starting point is 01:13:35 lift some weights, they need to move. Like movement is, you know, a little bit more of a priority versus, you know, the other end. We just don't see it as consistently, I think, that people have really mastered dialing in the nutrition and tracking. So that's a big one, initially to address, but there could be people that come in
Starting point is 01:13:54 where I'm like, let's start this movement process. I know your job is very limiting as far as movement is concerned. And you've already addressed the sleep and you've already addressed nutrition. and you've already addressed the nutrition. So, you know, whatever has the most deficit right now is what we're going to kind of bring you to the first round. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:10 What I notice with clients mostly, and typically this is what this is what it actually looks like. Like, if we have a blank slate and people will do what I say, then I can pick what I really think is most important. But usually, it's not like that. Usually it's someone coming to ask me about exercise or fitness or whatever. And so this is what it actually looks like for most people. They'll come and see me and we'll start with just the workout.
Starting point is 01:14:30 That's usually where it starts. Then little by little, they'll start implementing things with nutrition. Sometimes I could take a long fucking time. I've had clients where I've trained them for, and we'll talk about nutrition here and there, but if they're not ready, and they just want to train with me, that's fine. We'll just going to train. I've had clients to train with me, that's fine, we'll just train. I've had clients who train me as long as three years who didn't do anything with the nutrition then finally because they were consistent with their workouts because they started to see
Starting point is 01:14:53 and feel a little better then they started implementing stuff with the nutrition and then boom, next 30 pounds lost and three months after three years of no fat loss. Sleep can be difficult as well, but mainly because a lot of people don't realize the importance of sleep from this particular sense. First off, the human body masks sleep deprivation, pretty fucking well. And you can take things like caffeine
Starting point is 01:15:17 to make up the difference. People also think that the time they go to bed is their sleep time and that's it. So I'm getting, you know, all I'm getting seven hours, is I go eight hours, is I go to bed at this time and I get up that the time they go to bed is their sleep time and that's it. So I'm getting seven hours, because I go to eight hours, so I go to bed at this time and I get up at this time. They don't realize sleep quality makes up a huge, huge difference.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Because then you talk to them and oh, I wake up two times every single night. Or it's one of the hardest things to coach. You know, very difficult. Very difficult to get somebody to understand what that even looks like, what the ritual looks like leading into it, like the process of addressing whatever it is,
Starting point is 01:15:50 the mattress, the way you sleep, just like your entire routine, you're like peering into their personal life, where there's more willing to go into, we'll take me through a workout and let's start with that. And then, because even nutrition for a lot of people willing to kind of go into, like, we'll take me through a workout and let's start with that. And then, you know, and then,
Starting point is 01:16:07 because even nutrition for a lot of people is a very personal thing where it's like, you know, we add this component of social elements, you know, this is family time, this is this, that, the other. So to break habits that are already firmly established, I think that one a lot of times, it does take a lot of pushback.
Starting point is 01:16:26 At least people know with nutrition though, that okay, I need to work on my nutrition. They know it. But yeah, they're not willing. They're not willing. They're not willing. Because people don't talk about their sleep being bad until it's really fucking bad.
Starting point is 01:16:35 You know what I'm saying? Like, there's definitely people who will be like, okay, I have issues with sleep at that point. It's usually, they're just not. Well, they're just missing it right away because of their work schedule. I can't fucking, you know, this is what I have. I it's usually, well, they're just not. Yeah, right away, because of their work schedule. I can't fucking, you know, like, this is what I have. I tell you what, man, I make it a priority.
Starting point is 01:16:50 I do have a sleep routine every night. When I go off of that, it doesn't destroy me. It's like I'm ruined from it. But I can tell a significant difference. My performance, I can tell, the biggest difference is my sharpness on the podcast. My cravings will change. And I'm sure if you were to test my hormones and inflammatory markers and all that stuff,
Starting point is 01:17:08 you'd be able to clearly see a big difference. And it's literally the difference between me, at nine o'clock at night, shutting the lights off, going by candlelight or dimming the lights, wearing blue blockers, relaxing, going to bed at nine forty-five or whatever, or just going straight to bed. Really, it's the difference between those two things. I think a lot of people are just,
Starting point is 01:17:27 because I was this way for a very long time, just unaware that I wasn't getting great sleep. You just don't know. You don't realize that you're not getting good sleep. Just like a lot of people don't think that they're eating that bad. A lot of people just don't, because what is bad?
Starting point is 01:17:42 What's bad sleep or what's bad food? You don't necessarily have anything to compare it. Yeah, and you don't know what optimal looks like. You've never actually fed your body what it really wants and needs. You just, you think you've made you avoid bad food. So therefore you think you eat well. Well, no, that's not true.
Starting point is 01:17:59 Just like, because you sleep at night and you get X amount of hours or whatever, you think you sleep great. Like, no, you probably don't. You know, and I personally thought I was, I was fine at sleeping. I did, you know, I was always a little restless, but I just assumed I was that way since I was a fucking kid. You know, I tossed and turned it took me an hour to two hours of fall asleep and then I fall, finally fall asleep. But I never,
Starting point is 01:18:21 ever prioritized it and thought like, okay, well, maybe there's a reason why that is. Maybe this sitting on the computer or being on my watching TV till 11 o'clock at night or playing video games like I used to do as a kid right before I go to bed, like maybe that has something to do with that. Like I didn't ever put that together and I never felt like it was hindering me that much
Starting point is 01:18:40 that I needed to address it. And then I'll send you put a little effort into that and you go holy shit, you know, you wake up and you get, and I used to always, I used to hate mornings, you know, I'm still not a big morning fan, but a lot of the reason why I hate the mornings that I was getting out of bed was just, I was groggy, always groggy, and had a hard time getting up. But I just, again, figured that's how I've always been. So I think a lot of people, when it comes to nutrition, I mean, all of these things, right? Nutrition, work out, sleep, they're just unaware that they are not doing what's optimal. Like, just because
Starting point is 01:19:11 you go to the gym and you lift weights, doesn't mean you're optimized. You're not doing the best thing potentially for you. That doesn't just because you go to sleep at night, doesn't mean that you're optimizing it. So for me, I'm addressing nutrition first because I think that's the biggest, the biggest rock for a majority of people that I can start to help and move. And then after that, I'm probably talking towards the sleep to make sure that we're getting it. And then the walking or the movement, I'm, when I'm tracking nutrition, I'm also tracking steps so that those work simultaneously for me. When I send people out for a week, I
Starting point is 01:19:43 say, you know, where are your Fitbit or your Apple phone or the hell you have. And when you report back to me, I look at a week's worth of movement, so how many steps are averting a day and then their nutrition. And then from there, I make my adjustments. Next question is from DH Body Building. My parents say they have trouble losing weight due to their age and slow metabolism. They are in their early 50s. Good questions. Yeah, this is cool. This is the age, the age reason or the age excuse, that's a very, very common one. Now, does your body's potential for performance, muscle gain, and fat loss decline as you age. Yes, of course it does. As you age your body does lose its potential for its performance for how strong and limber and more.
Starting point is 01:20:31 I would be able to be lost. With that though, I want to say that the same token, you can get better year over year. Oh well, you could be somebody who at 40, you were better at than 30 and at 50, you were better than at 40 and it's 10. You can, but let's say you're maximizing your potential the whole time it'll decline But here's the other here's the point that I was gonna make Yeah, who the fuck is doing that? Yeah, and but the difference between your well us hopefully I think but you know
Starting point is 01:20:56 The difference between you and your peers in your same age group The the the chasm between the two of you becomes massive as you age. So I'll give you an example. You get a 20 year old that's fit and watches their diet and takes care of themselves. You just go to a reunion. Yeah, exactly. You compare that 20 year old to another 20 year old who doesn't really exercise, doesn't really take care of themselves that much.
Starting point is 01:21:20 You take different. There's a difference, but it's not huge. You do it with a 50 year old, and they don't even look like they're in the same age category. You do it with a 70 year old, and it's a difference between, I can't take care of myself, and I'm completely independent, and I can do everything for myself.
Starting point is 01:21:33 So it makes a tremendous difference. Whenever people ask me, am I too old to work out, am I too old for this? I say you're too old not too. As you get older, it becomes that much more important and makes a tremendous to tremendous difference. Now, as far as potential is concerned, it definitely changes, but the potential still,
Starting point is 01:21:51 very, very high. And like Adam was, I think what you were alluding to, somebody who's 50 who takes care of themselves, like Doug, is in better shape, better mobility, better strength, better performance, than someone who's 30 that just goes to work every time someone sits on the couch. So I could take somebody who,
Starting point is 01:22:06 and because this is calm, let's be honest, there's not a lot of people like ourselves now. I mean, we're the minority of, right, when you look at the general population, most people spend a majority of their life not working out. So I would get somebody in their 40s that would say, they would hire me, just like this, 40 or 50 years old,
Starting point is 01:22:23 and they'd be like, you know, Adam, I know that that I can't look or feel like I used to in my 20s And I'd stop them like right away like I mean no, it's not true like you haven't been working out or training Like you you played sports when you were 20 or 17 or whatever like and you haven't done really anything Sense then oh just hang on we'll be I'm gonna put you in some of the best shape of your life right now because if I can strength train you and get you eating correctly, even at 50 years old, I can put yourself in a metabolism that was, it's far healthier.
Starting point is 01:22:53 I mean, you take some, let's figure this out like mathematically, right? So if you're, take this person who's 50, because let's take your parents, and maybe my parents here, who my parents are in their 50s. And they really have never really consistently exercised or worked out.
Starting point is 01:23:09 My mom's done maybe a two month stint in her life multiple times and that's it, right? Maybe walking and restricting from food is the most dieting she's ever done. But she has never really strengthened. I've never been able to really get her to do that. If she actually hired me and I actually trained her to do that, I guarantee that I could,
Starting point is 01:23:26 if she did that with me for at least six months to a year of weight training and dieting, I could put her in the best physical shape that she's ever been in her entire life. In her 50s. In her 50s. And now, and so to your point, Sal, you're right. If you take someone like us who's been
Starting point is 01:23:42 weight training for years and years and dieting years and years, yes, as as age goes on naturally these things are gonna slow down and decline a little bit But that's not most people most people that say these things are the people that haven't been training forever And now they're they're looking at like well, fuck it. I'm already 50 You know why go back and try and fix all this and the most important form of exercise for for people as they age is weight training By far by far, by far. It's the only form of exercise that directly combats what happens to your body as you age. If I were to make a list of all the ailments
Starting point is 01:24:13 that tend to happen with us as we age, loss of mobility, loss of strength, loss of bone density, injuries, that can resist the training. Combats, also, all of the sable, all of that stuff. There's a lot more to address the further you push it out. So the more time under your belt of solidifying all these patterns and habits and lifestyle things that you've done year after year after year.
Starting point is 01:24:37 And now you're just addressing this. There's gonna be a significant amount of time to really attack all these different variables you've accumulated just over this time span. So yes, it is going to be easier for somebody younger to achieve this physical peak that they can get to versus somebody later on that has established shit patterns, but on the same token, it's not a lost cause. Every bit of improvement from there is an improvement going forward.
Starting point is 01:25:13 My most consistent clients, always, always, always were people who were a little older. So when I get a 20-something year old out would hire me, it was very rare that they'd stay with me forever. Even if money wasn't an issue, when I get a 60-year old out would hire me. It was very rare that they'd stay with me forever. Even if money wasn't an issue. When I'd get a 60 year old that would hire me. I think there's definitely the disadvantage of age, but there's the advantage of wisdom. They would see the benefit. They'd plus they would listen to the trainer
Starting point is 01:25:33 much more much better than somebody who's young. They'd feel the benefits and then it became a part of the routine. Like, oh, two days a week I go see Sally, trains me and this is what happens. And they were very consistent. And I think it's a great, it's always a good time to start working out.
Starting point is 01:25:47 But if you're in this age group, it's the best time because you don't have time to lose, and things will start to catch up on you. And man, I can't stress this enough. You will separate yourself from your peers so much. And I'm seeing this now, I'm 39 years old now. And I remember, I've been working out since I was 14. And I remember, my family members that were right around was 14. I remember, you know, my family members
Starting point is 01:26:06 that were right around my age, and as we got older, you know, I was a little bit more muscular, a little stronger, all that stuff, of course, because I worked out, but it wasn't this huge difference. Oh my God, now, now and I'm around, like, family members are like 39, I'm looking at these dudes, and I'm like, wow, you fucking,
Starting point is 01:26:21 it's really, now there's a big difference between us, because now I'm fit, and you've got a gut, and there's a big difference between us. Cause now I'm fit and you've got a gut and you've got back in knee pain. Yeah. You know what I mean? Now you're complaining about your back and you have to go take time off of work because of it. It was kind of hilarious when I played in that
Starting point is 01:26:34 scrimmage game, you know, for football, and I'm 38, but this was like last year and just seeing everybody, I was like, you know, I kind of knew ahead of time. Obviously, like there's gonna be a lot of out of shape guys and people haven't really been physically active or moving and the movement and just the way people move was so substantially different.
Starting point is 01:26:56 And then there would be like a handful of guys or be like maybe four or five guys out there that really really maintained and kept up their physical performance and it was great to see that because it stood out like fucking nothing I've ever seen, dude. And unfortunately, you know, like thankfully nobody got really, really hurt, but like there was one guy that got hurt and tore, you know, his ACL and all this in the game, but it was, I mean, it's just, it's hilarious because going back and like looking at just a scrimmage game
Starting point is 01:27:28 or something, maybe like 10 years ago, was insanely different. Yeah, strength too. Strength makes such, what I love about strength and fighters will say this by the way, if you talk like to boxers, they'll say the last thing a boxer loses as they age is their power. Like the leads are agility, their speed and that kind of stuff, but their ability to hit
Starting point is 01:27:49 you hard as fuck last for a long time. I think it was George, wasn't George Foreman didn't he win? That's for that old, that old, old man's strength. Old man's strength. It's true. It's a central nervous system. You know, and I know guys who hit PRs and lifts in their late 30s and 40s. Natural. Well, look, look at, look at we just had stand efforting in here, man. Guys 50 something years old and he can still, you know, pull 700 pounds, squat 800 pounds. I mean, it's just, yeah, I mean, just stay with you for a while. It's amazing to see, to see that, you know, when you see someone who, now, mind you, you have to take care of the body.
Starting point is 01:28:22 And I know that he's adjusted like his intensity in the way he trains and stuff like that. Is it hurt yourself? Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it's to chalk up your, chalk up like working out an exercise because of your age and because your metabolism is starting to naturally slow down, is a really, really bad excuse, and it's,
Starting point is 01:28:40 It's like the opposite. The excuse that they use is actually the opposite. It's like, oh, I'm getting older. I don't know if I can the opposite. It's like, oh, I'm getting older. I don't know if I can work out. No, it's like I'm getting older. I have to work out. And here's another thing I'd even touch on. Hormonal changes as you age.
Starting point is 01:28:56 They happen to you, but boy, do they happen at a much, much, much lower rate or much lower rate, especially when you lift weights and especially for men. This happens for women too, but especially for men. You take a guy who's taking care of himself with his nutrition and lifting weights, he will have the testosterone level of a 20 or 30 year old at the age of 70. And this is a fact. I've had many, many clients like this where they worked out, they were consistent, they had good diets, they would go get the hormones test, they come back, I had one guy, Jim, good friend of mine,
Starting point is 01:29:28 he was actually helped Doug and I film a map center ball, way back in the day, he was a client of mine. 70, he was a 73 year old guy, and I've been working out for a long time, he's left suites, he watches his diet, guy looks amazing, 72 years old, goes and gets his hormones check, comes back,
Starting point is 01:29:42 780, was his testosterone number. 70, now, why? Well, he fucking lifts weights and takes care. If he was sedentary, I forget the age, you take a 30 year old who's super sedentary, do nothing, they're not gonna have his healthy hormone levels as he has. And this happens, in many cases for women,
Starting point is 01:30:01 of course, menopause changes, some of that, but resistance training maintains healthy, youthful hormone levels, of course, men and paws changes some of that, but resistance training maintains healthy youthful hormone levels, resistance training literally maintains youth at the cellular level. I used to love, love when I would manage gyms, I used to, you know, we, members would come in and you'd see the regulars and sometimes I'd pop in really early, right? 5 a.m. And at 5 a.m. is when you'd see the hardcore consistent, like, 5 a.m. And at 5 a.m. is when you'd see the hardcore consistent.
Starting point is 01:30:26 Like, like 5 a.m. you go into a gym at 5 a.m. You see the same fucking people all the time. Always be there. And I used to love seeing the men and women in their 60s who lifted weights who've been doing it for decades. I used to love watching them work out because I was so impressed by their bodies. It was one guy who was 70 something years old,
Starting point is 01:30:45 comes in with this, you know, we used to come in the morning by himself. One day he came in the afternoon with this much younger woman, she's probably in her mid 40s. He looked amazing. He was 70 something, but honestly, he had the body of a probably a 50 year old. He walks in with her whatever.
Starting point is 01:31:01 They leave, I see him the next day and I'm like, oh, was that your daughter that came in? He starts laughing, he was that's my girlfriend. That's how I feel. Yeah. And you know, I knock a bump. I used to kill me because I'd see these, and then you'd see, I have family members in their 70s
Starting point is 01:31:18 who can't do things for themselves. They can't reach something above their head or they need help walk them. You know, it's there. You know, something to point out to it. And we're funny creatures how we start, we make shortcuts and we find ways to move less and less and less.
Starting point is 01:31:33 And you know, a lot of the things that attribute to the slower metabolism, it's less about their agent. It's more about these types of things. Like, if you don't use muscle and you continue not to use muscles, they atrophy, you know. You don't have recess anymore. And yeah, yeah, right. And you you stop, you know, going outside and playing or playing sports or just exercising in general, moving a lot, you know, it's it normally blows me away when I get one of these clients that are in their late 50s or 60s to start tracking their movement. It's like, dude, they are like moving
Starting point is 01:32:03 that you're you're it's like weird how we're wired. It's yeah, you, they are like moving, it's like weird how we're wired. It's effort to get up and go walk and do this stuff. And you've learned, especially if you're 50, 60 years old, you've learned how to do it with the least amount of resistance. So you take the least amount of efficiency. Yeah, you've become very, very efficient, which can end up being very counterproductive for somebody who's trying to build muscle and build a metabolism up. And before you know it, they're taking 1500 steps, 2000 steps a day, total.
Starting point is 01:32:32 And they're not lifting or exercising. They're not getting themselves even fully erect and into good posture and even using any of their posterior chain to hold them upright. And so they're just rounding their bodies forward and closing, closing up tighter and not moving. And that's really what it tributes to this more than anything else. One thing that happens, especially in advanced age, is when you stop being active, your body retreats very quickly. That's something you want to keep in mind. And I witnessed this personally
Starting point is 01:32:57 twice where I'd have a client who was in their 70s, one of them was in their 80s. And, you know, where they had to stop working out for whatever reason. One of them injured themselves had to take time off and then never came back. And another one, their daughter was paying for the training daughter decided she couldn't afford any more so I didn't see them anymore. But I think contact and the decline in their health was so fucking rapid when they stopped working out. It was alarming.
Starting point is 01:33:21 One of them, I had trained her for years, I know I've told the story several times on the show. I could tell little size, she was in her 80s, and there were little signs of dementia here and there, which she'd tell me the same story twice within the workout. Just little tiny signs, and if you knew her well enough, you could tell there was something going on there. But it wasn't anything that, like, crazier dramatic, and you guys met her for the first time you wouldn't even know. Well, she ends up hurting herself and has to take a bunch of time off is bed ridden.
Starting point is 01:33:47 Their family doesn't hire me anymore. She ends up hiring a nurse full time. I ran into her something like six or eight months later. She didn't recognize me. I had trainer for three years. Didn't even recognize me. Didn't know who I was. Just a rapid decline.
Starting point is 01:34:00 Very, very rapid decline. So I guess at the end of the day, here's the advice to your parents. Go live some weights. Most important thing they could possibly do, high priority for themselves. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com. We have a bunch of free guides available.
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