Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 875: Dr. Stephen Cabral

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, ob-mite, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Listen, listen, listen, listen. This was actually a good time right here, man. I didn't know very much about Dr. Cabral until he got here. I mean, I looked up some of his stuff and just follow him on Instagram and...

Starting point is 00:00:27 I got on the phone with him before as what happened. It could start stuff. This was really you who introduced him to us. Yeah, I got on the phone with him because I knew of him, but I didn't know too much. Got on the phone and he has a background in naturopathic medicine and a revedic medicine, which sounds like they're they're opposing but they're

Starting point is 00:00:47 not and he just has an incredible I like his approach I like his approach to total health and he's extremely intelligent I mean in this episode you're about to hear he goes off for an hour like you probably get a new tropic or something yeah I mean stay yeah in line with this episode. He breaks a lot of things down, and we ask him a lot of questions, and he keeps breaking them down. Very, very, very smart and form guy. All you nerds who like listening to Minecraft,

Starting point is 00:01:14 you're gonna love this. This is a nerd-tastic episode. You're gonna love this episode. He also has a podcast. It's actually quite popular. He was telling us about how big his reach is. It's a pretty popular podcast. It's called the Cabral Concept.

Starting point is 00:01:26 So if you're really into health and the technical side and the scientific side, you're probably gonna wanna check that out. His website is stevencabral.com that's STEPHENCABRAL.com and then he has a book called The Rain Barrel Effect. I think you can find that at equilibriumnutrition.com, is that correct Doug?

Starting point is 00:01:49 That is correct. And then in this episode, we talked a lot about all these different ways you could optimize your health besides the staple most important things, like nutrition, exercise. It was really interesting to hear him talk about some of the tools that you would use to do that because you know And typically when you get these you know, I don't know what I want to categorize him at

Starting point is 00:02:12 But like your your nature pathic type of doctors or Aravatic type medicine Yeah, you said me. Thank you. Just that's the direction. I was headed with it They are like anti any tools But he actually was really open minded to all that. And I think he dropped some really good information in regards to it. Yeah, he's a very Western approach to it. I feel and what was great about it is, we even got into a few like specifics like Adam brought up his psoriasis and he talked a little

Starting point is 00:02:39 bit more about like reflex. So it's like you got a free doctor visit. Yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, we got into cellulite too. Cellulite? Yeah, he talks about the hormonal causes of cellulite actually in this episode, so that's going to be really good. But yeah, we talked about some of these because he combines Western and Eastern philosophies because there's value in both.

Starting point is 00:02:58 And we fully agree with that. That's something we've been talking about for a while. So we talked about cannabinoids, like the cannabinoids found in hemp extracts. Of course, we're sponsored by Ned, one of the best companies for that type of product. You can go to helloned.com, forward slash mine pump and get 15% off your first purchase. Then we talked about testing, lab testing, or testing at home, your hormones and food intolerance testing. All of those are available at Everly

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Starting point is 00:05:50 which is a full year of exercise programming you can go to maps fitness products dot com and without any further ado I do I don't even know what that really means. That's not what I said. You're not even French, dude. I did, you. Here we are interviewing Dr. Stephen Cabral. Have you done a favorite interview yet? Like, who's been your favorite that's interviewed you? You know what, I've really connected with Jay Faroujia. I love Jay. He's an amazing guy.

Starting point is 00:06:17 But the reason I like Jay is just because he's no nonsense. Like, he will never agree with you or disagree with you if that's his belief. He's just like, I've been through it, I've seen it all and he's very open to new concepts as well. So he gives kind of like new, I mean, I've been doing this forever, but like he's one of the original guys too, you know?

Starting point is 00:06:38 Like he was there in the beginning. So I really enjoyed him and who would be one other person? While I did the skinny confidential show and their audience, we did advanced functional medicine lab testing, went through the roof. Like this, bananas. Excellent. I think the girls, right, that do that one?

Starting point is 00:06:55 Skinny confidential. It's Lauren and Michael, a husband and wife. Oh, husband and wife. And they just have on like anybody, like all sorts of different influencers or doctors or whoever it might be and for whatever Reason it just kind of like clicked and it was just huge. Have you had any have you had anybody that's really tries to put you in the show and challenge this shit out of you and Well, I was just did Ben Pukulski show Okay, good friend of ours. Yeah, yeah, very good friend of ours. This is an amazing guy

Starting point is 00:07:22 And so we've been just chatting back and forth for a couple of months. And again, like everything I do is I always say, like, I have no dog in the race. Like I don't care who's right. And so like that throws people off to like, what do you mean? And like, well, I'm like, I can give you points on veganism. I can give you points on why a carnivore diet might work in the short term, but not the long term.

Starting point is 00:07:41 I was like, I honestly don't care. And so Ben goes after that. He's like, what are you talking about a low protein diet? What are you talking about this? And I'm just like, here it is. And just say, I see the points of why some people do it, and why I don't, other people don't. But I've never had anyone just come after me because I'm not that kind of guy in the first place. Right. I don't, you know, for whether it's keto based or whatever, I'm like, get it. I understand why you're doing it. But there's a huge difference between short term amazing results and a lifetime of data

Starting point is 00:08:08 and a lifetime of doing it. You know, like what happens when you put yourself in more of a catabolic state that creates a lot of a topogy in the body. But you do that for 30 or 40 years. Like, do you get osteoporotic? Do you get, you know, myelin, sheath based, you know, delineation?

Starting point is 00:08:22 So when you say a point like that, what do you think about when you hear all the stuff about artificial sweeteners right now? Yeah, so I'm, I'm not, I mean, artificial sweeteners are one of the most toxic things that you put in your body for sure. Mm-hmm. And that's what's playing that.

Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah, please explain. So when we, when we look at, like, let's just take something, for example, as sucralos. So Splendil, now this is something I just said, I keep myself open. I was back personal training in the late 90s and early 2000s. And sucralose Splendidl kinda just came out and I was like this is great, it's zero calorie

Starting point is 00:08:57 and we're looking at like kind of blood sugar spikes, those types of things, I'm like this looks good. And then I get into functional medicine and I get into a naturopathid and I'm like, oh, I'm like they replace one I'm like, they replace one molecule. Like, oh, it's no big deal, it's just one molecule. Well, it's one molecule that they replace with chlorine. And so once we look at that, we're like, oh, yeah,

Starting point is 00:09:13 it doesn't, it does affect our blood sugar because you taste the sweetness, which means your body is looking then for the minerals that should come along with the sweet and it doesn't get it, so that actually triggers more appetite in the body or at least no suppression of hunger. But worse than that, it actually starts to disturb the microbiome.

Starting point is 00:09:29 So when you look at that and you look at like, okay, well, what are the repercussions of not doing Splenda One time, but doing it every day, a couple times a day, for a decade. What does that do? Does it actually imbalance cause some type of seaboss, small intest intestine bacterial overgrowth, and that's what I see. So I look at all of these things as part of the rainbow, like literally, it's like, okay, if you just do Splenda, probably no big deal. But what if you do Splenda,

Starting point is 00:09:54 and you have Mercury, Malgum's in your mouth, and you're exposed to EMFs all day, it's like you're just, you know, it talks in mess. So what I try to do is I say, listen, I live in the real world as well, what I need you to do is I say, listen, I live in the real world as well. What I need you to do is get yourself healthy first and then focus on kind of like you're non-negotiables and then try to remove as much of the other stuff as you can. Yeah, there was a study that just came out from European and Israeli scientists studied

Starting point is 00:10:17 six of the artificial sweetener, so sucalose, aspartane, saccharin and a couple others. And they found that all of them have a negative effect on the microbiome. And, you know, and the argument I hear from people, you know, is, well, we don't know what that, okay, fine, it affects the microbiome, but we don't know if it's negative or positive. Like, how do you argue with that?

Starting point is 00:10:38 Well, for sure, they're synthetic. And whenever we're talking about synthetics, the body wasn't necessarily made to process those things. So now you're asking the liver then to do that much more work. So again, I look at it as part of the overall process. We know that aspartame in certain people can absolutely cause or at least exacerbate neurological-based conditions, like without a doubt. I mean, it can be a neuro-based toxin.

Starting point is 00:11:00 So then you say, well, for who? That's always the argument. We just say, well, we don't always know. But the truth is like, maybe it is you, but why play Russian Roulette in the first place? When you could just do a teaspoon of raw honey or teaspoon of organic maple syrup that contains five grams of sugar,

Starting point is 00:11:17 that literally will not spike blood glucose levels. They show, for most people, eight grams or less is not gonna have the massive glucose effect, which is why I'm type two diabetes. You can typically do a little sugar and, is not gonna have the massive glucose effect, which is why I type two diabetes. You can typically do a little sugar, and it's not gonna have any effect. So why wouldn't we do something a little bit more natural, or if we do something such as stevia?

Starting point is 00:11:33 Just did a podcast on this, where stevia, if we look at green leaf stevia, most people don't use green leaf stevia, because it's only 10 to 15 times sweeter than sugar, but it has a very bitter aftertaste. So we actually look at the extracts. It's extracted to two different steveo sides, and I believe it's like rubbato sides

Starting point is 00:11:49 or something like that. And when you look at those extracts, those are still okay as long as they're organic. And the reason is that if they're not organic, they use chemical solvents. So sometimes it's not the thing, it's the chemical solvent that they're putting on the thing that actually creates the toxicity. So we look at that, we also look at dosage. You know, it's for the thing, it's the chemical solvent that they're putting on the thing that actually creates the toxicity.

Starting point is 00:12:05 So we look at that, we also look at dosage. For right now, it's somewhere between, I think it was eight teaspoons per day. And just again, if you're using a little bit of stevia, no big deal. But if you're using eight teaspoons of stevia, I mean, you have to ask yourself why. What's the sugar addiction?

Starting point is 00:12:22 Because it is a sweetness addiction. So now we need to wean people off of it. So I look at it as, here's what you are in the short term. Here's what we need to get. Nobody needs to be using all these artificial sweetness in the first place. We need to eat sweet foods that are naturally sweet, such as your berries and your low glycemic fruits

Starting point is 00:12:38 and your kiwi, and then you should enjoy that. Like you get used to natural taste. Yeah, and back to stevia, there's some evidence to suggest there may be some contraceptive effects in high doses and animals and stuff. Is there anything to worry about with those? Yeah, that's interesting. It actually showed that it can potentially raise progesterone. Okay.

Starting point is 00:12:56 So, I found that interesting, and the main reason is because we test thousands of people, we've literally done over a quarter million client appointments. And when we look at that, we say, most people are actually deficient to progesterone. And we can talk about that. Is this actually being used for the podcast? Absolutely. All right.

Starting point is 00:13:13 You're right. I love that we just go right into it. That's great. That's how I am. I'm like, let's just start jadding. So when we look at that, we're looking at, well, why are most people deficient in progesterone? That's because progesterone is down the catabolic pathway,

Starting point is 00:13:24 meaning that progesterone's the precursor to cortisol. So when I look at the precursor to cortisol, and I say, okay, well, I can understand that most people are stressed, or then at least the sympathetic nervous system for the majority of the day. So progesterone's going to be lower. So then I say, okay, based on that,

Starting point is 00:13:38 it's taking in some stevia, and if it were to elevate progesterone, would that be a bad thing? The question is always, well, is it in within ratio with estrogen? And so that's how I look at it.? The question is always, well, is it in within ratio with estrogen? And so that's how I look at it. The other part is that I haven't seen it actually work, or anyone say that it would be as a contraceptive.

Starting point is 00:13:53 A few things I have seen is that it can cause kidney-based issues, cause nausea, vomiting, at high dosages. The problem is the dosages are quite high, and I would hope that it's just like people are just trying to be responsible with any supplement because it is a supplement Right, we're taking it we're processing it because you're not eating stevia leaf which most people would never do You can't ground it down to the powder, but just most people don't enjoy that so you said most people are a little bit low and and Progesterone of obviously typically women right. What are the symptoms of the symptoms of a ratio of estrogen

Starting point is 00:14:25 to progesterone where they're estrogen dominant, if you will? What do they need to look for? And why is that so common? Why is that more common than to say too much progesterone? Yeah, absolutely. So what we look at is, so basically, your autonomic nervous system has two branches.

Starting point is 00:14:38 And it has the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system. It's the single most important thing that no one is talking about. I know that you guys talk about it chat about sympathetic nervous system. You guys did a great podcast on lower test osterone. The number one reason that we work with CrossFit athletes, work with the limpians, I work with right down the street from Harvard University, so we work with guys on scholarships, you know, trying to keep their scholarship. And we see low test

Starting point is 00:14:58 osterone all the time. And so when we look at it, we just say, the number one reason for lower test osterone, in my opinion, is in the lack of vitamin C, it is in the lack of zinc, it's not the lack of glutamine and B vitamins, it's the excessive dominance of the sympathetic nervous system because of the stress in the Western lifestyle. So what we do is we shut off, we try to slow that sympathetic nervous system

Starting point is 00:15:18 because that sympathetic nervous system dominance will bring more hormone towards cortisol. If you look at it and you have a big bucket of hormone for your day, you get to put that wherever you want. But if your body's under more stress, then you're going to be able to turn on more cortisol. So how it essentially works is that your brain and through the peripheral nervous system,

Starting point is 00:15:37 it looks at your entire environment. If it sees you in a stressful space, getting the kids ready in the mornings, and rush hour traffic, a really hard workout, I'd love to talk with you guys about that. Like low carb diets, don't actually keep your blood sugar low if you're doing a lot of other things in life. It's a liver pump. It's a glucose or whatever without a doubt. And, well, and it does that though, because you're in a fight or flight based situation,

Starting point is 00:15:57 your hypothalamus is telling you're pituitary gland. All right. It's time to secrete something called adrenal corticotropin releasing hormone. That tells you adrenal medulla, let's go, let's produce norepinephrine. What happens? Heart rate gets going, blood pressure gets pumped up, you start sweating, and then a positive feedback, loop tells your brain, we're in fight or flight. Like there's a survival-based situation.

Starting point is 00:16:16 So based off of that, what do you think about like CrossFit adopting like the paleo diet? Is that not ideal then? It's gotta be the worst combo then. Well, the problem is the lower carb, right? So like, we do lower carb in my practice to help people lose weight, but we only do it for three weeks.

Starting point is 00:16:31 And then what we see is it works great for three to four weeks, and then there seems to be a downward trend. One of the reasons is this, if you put, it works great in the beginning because you're leveling out blood sugar, you're then reducing insulin, you're balancing back out hormones and inflammation. But what people don't realize is you could do a really hard crossfit workout

Starting point is 00:16:50 and again, we use a glucometer all the time in my practice. We just teach people that it's $20. You can bite anywhere. There are better brands than others. But what you do is go into a crossfit workout fasted. And then your blood sugar, you know, should be between 75 and 95 or so, test yourself after a CrossFit workout. I've seen people at 300. Yeah. That is pure, that's like a glucose tolerance test, like just drinking straight sugar. You know, I learned that lesson about 10 years ago, I had a client, good friend of mine who developed type 2 diabetes, went on a very low carbohydrate diet, and we would do, when we do heavy leg workouts, he'd call me afterwards and be like,

Starting point is 00:17:25 dude, he goes, my blood sugar through the roof, and I couldn't figure it out because I was like, we had no carbs, it's guys eating low carbs. We just did a workout which should deplete glycogen. How is this making any sense? So I did my own research and I realized, oh shit, it was too hard and his liver was just pumping out because your liver stores a certain amount

Starting point is 00:17:42 is just pumping out all the sugar and his blood sugar was through the roof. So we had to reduce the intensity of his workouts. What are the potential long-term effects of that? If you're constantly doing that, if you're somebody who loves CrossFit and you're adopting this ketogenic lifestyle or the paleo lifestyle, what are some of the adverse effects that can happen from that? They simply don't go hand in hand. That's the problem. And so when we look at it, so going back to that adrenal medulla produces the norepinephrine on the adrenaline, well that gets things going, but then your brain tells the particular gland

Starting point is 00:18:09 again to tell your adrenal cortex to produce cortisol or glucocorticoids. Once that happens, its job as that hormone is to actually tell the liver just like you were saying to actually make sugar, right? So it takes stored sugar from your liver and it brings it into your bloodstream and your liver stores for the average person between a hundred between 80 and 120 grams depending on the size of the liver. That's a lot of sugar to be able to pump back into there. And then if you're keto based though, if you're low-carb based, you'll say no, no, I've already depleted my liver glycogen. I would say okay, but guess what? This is even worse. This is much worse, because the next place to go is your muscle tissue and it stores over 400 grams.

Starting point is 00:18:48 So you have plenty, now that's survival based situation only, but now you're doing these really hard workouts and your gains are actually getting less because you're breaking down muscle tissue because your tissue now contains glucose plus amino acids which is exactly what the body wants in fight or flight. Wow, and that's not a good combination. Next, a horrible recourse.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah, that's a terrible combination. You know, we were talking about sweeteners like Stivia and the artificial ones. And I've had this conversation a couple times with people where we are always seeking to increase the palatability of food. And this is something we've done since the beginning of time. We've cooked food and then ever since we figured out

Starting point is 00:19:22 we could add things to it and make recipes to increase its palatability. And sometimes I think, I know we're always trying to make healthy food taste better to make it easier to eat, but do you think maybe it's a bad idea to always make things so damn palatable? Without a doubt. Yeah, I mean, it's a great point.

Starting point is 00:19:38 And I didn't know this honestly. I mean, these are all things that I just try to keep myself open to because I was not open to anything. Like, absolutely without a a doubt any of it. And so I'm doing one of my internships and I'm in, not Sri Lanka, I was in India, and I'm at an aerivatic hospital clinic, and I see people eating with their hands,

Starting point is 00:19:57 and then I see them combining certain foods. I'm like, why are you, I'm like, you have a fork, like you can use a fork, that's okay. But when you begin to realize that it's all about the peripheral nervous system and the input, you guys know obviously it's all about proprioception, right? It's like how, how's your body working in space?

Starting point is 00:20:14 If your hand touches a certain food, it's already sending a census to the mind to be able to tell your body which enzymes to produce, how to actually properly digest that food. Well, it's the same with certain tastes as well. So in Ayurveda, we have the bitter taste, we have the sour taste, and so the bitter taste actually helps you to better digest and break down foods.

Starting point is 00:20:38 So that's one of the interesting things, like coffee, we had sweetener to it, but yet it's a meant to be bitter and astringent, which makes it a great digestive aid. But you take all that away when you make it sweet. And you actually then, coffee with sweetener is the best way to actually put on body fat.

Starting point is 00:20:54 Cause now you're spiking what? A adrenaline, cortisol, and then you're adding sugar to your bloodstream. It's great combination. Great combination. And then add cream to that. Thanks Starbucks. So now add all your fat to that, right?

Starting point is 00:21:04 Right. And then what are you doing? Well, you have high blood sugar, and now you have lipids in your bloodstream, and you're gonna to that. Thanks Starbucks. So now add all your fat to that, right? Right. And then what are you doing? Well, you have high blood sugar, and now you have lipids in your bloodstream, and you're gonna store that as fat. It's really bad combination. Yeah, I would even say that, even adding the artificial sweeteners

Starting point is 00:21:13 or the calorie-free sweeteners like stevia to something like that, because here's a deal, I think a lot of people don't realize that your body reacts to tastes as well. It's also a signal, and it tells your body, you know, certain things to do.

Starting point is 00:21:27 And if that, even if the calories aren't present or whatever, it can change certain reactions in the body. Not to mention, you know, if it affects your gut microbiome, which we now can see and it may be correct, if I'm wrong, the microbiome is also responsible for our ability to gain body fat or to lose body fat or at least plays a role. It does play a role, and that's the bacteriodes

Starting point is 00:21:47 and the firmicides. So you need a balance between those two in the gut in order to burn body fats. And so when there aren't bacteriodes enough of that ratio, you're not gonna be able to burn body fat as well as the next person. Now, again, we're looking at somewhat in isolation, obviously there's a lot to it, but it does play a role. It also plays a role in leptin and gorilla. So that

Starting point is 00:22:08 matters, you know, that matters too. And I agree. So what we'll do is if someone's using like, they take that white shaker bottle, who even knows what's in that sugar right there, and you're just holding it there for 10 seconds, you know, and you're letting that drain in your coffee. All right. Well, what I would rather have someone do is then use some stevia instead. And then after that, I would like them to go less of a dose of stevia every week or two weeks and then eventually if they're drinking coffee, drinking black or drinking it with a little bit of their favorite nut milk.

Starting point is 00:22:35 I want to go back. You mentioned our vetic medicine and I'm not very familiar with it. I was just wondering if you could kind of explain that to our audience like, you know, further as far as like where it came from, the methods, all that kind of. Yeah, because you're Western trained in naturopathic medicine, and you're also trained in aeravetic medicine. Like, I mean, explain the difference between the two approaches. Yeah, and they are, they're more similar than people think. And so just like a really short story is, I got extremely sick when I was 17 years old.

Starting point is 00:23:07 And I'm live right outside of boss mass. Choose that some of the best hospitals in the world. I mean, we've got boss university, Harvard, MIT, TOS. I mean, there's no slouches, right? So I went to the best specialist in the world and they had no idea what was wrong with me. Like literally no idea because my blood work looked okay. And so after that, I was told, well, you know, we know something's wrong with you,

Starting point is 00:23:26 but it's either all in your head or you can have to get worse until we can help you. Eventually I got worse. And so I ended up with Addison's disease, my logic and cephalmyelitis, pots, type two diabetes, and rheumatoid arthritis. Holy cow, shit. It sounds like a massive autoimmune response.

Starting point is 00:23:41 Exactly right. So my immune system was shutting down. And I was getting worse and worse literally by the month. I would get sinus infections in pneumonia. I couldn't keep up. Like my immune, I was just my body was dying. It was literally dying. And that's what they told me.

Starting point is 00:23:53 And obviously it was a 17 year old kid. I'm a mess, right? And then I'm depressed. I'm anxious. I can't sleep. I have insomnia all night. Only getting worse. So what happened was, of course, I went,

Starting point is 00:24:03 then went on a cocktail of pills in pharmaceuticals. But I realized after, you know, again, this is in the late 90s, I'm reading these are books, right? Because we're on the internet, at least in Med from Astuce, it's we don't have the internet. We have like a Commodore 64 computer. Is that, you know, I just, I have this love of reading. So I just started to read. And what I realized was that one of the reasons I got there in the first place was, yes, I have this love of reading, so I just started to read, and what I realized was that one of the reasons I got there in the first place was yes, I was that type A kid,

Starting point is 00:24:29 wanted to, you know, to well sports and school and all that. But I had a dermatologist put me on 3000 capsules of a moxicillin for three years, basically. I was on two capsules a day for skin. You know, most guys, teenagers, you get some acne. Well, my dermatologist said, you're gonna take this moxic marks cell and these jars were giant, and I would take two a day for over three years.

Starting point is 00:24:47 Consistent? Every day. Holy cow. I would take Benadryl then for my allergies. I would take Clared Indeed during the day. Benadryl at night to help put me to sleep. I was on it, basically that's how I grew up, and my immune system.

Starting point is 00:24:59 So we talk about the microbiome, right? Well, what do you think, 3,000 capsules of marksis cellan does to your... That's like a nuclear bomb. That's right. Just sterilizes it. That's 80% of your immune systems in your gut. So then that sent me on a quest to say,

Starting point is 00:25:12 and well, if conventional medicine, if this isn't the root, because I'd plan on being an MD, like, and I don't get me wrong, I love MDs. Like, a lot of my personal clients are MDs, and a lot of my colleagues are MDs. We do different things. We need MDs for acute-based medicine.

Starting point is 00:25:25 If I have a heart attack or if I'm in a car accident or anyone of those things, anything, right? Take me to the emergency room and get me a acute care and I'm glad that we have it. But if our chronic-based illness, I'm sorry, but you're not getting well. Like there's just no hope for you. So you'll be put on medication.

Starting point is 00:25:41 If you have high cholesterol, you're not told how to rebounce it. You're told all it it's just genetic. Why don't we just give you some statins? Well, here's what statins, it's a doing. It can cause cardiomyopathy. So you may not die from high cholesterol, clogging your arteries, but you may die of a weak heart

Starting point is 00:25:56 because it can cause cardiomyopathy. Also, depletes essential things like coq10, which it can cause heart failure. Exactly, yep. Exactly. So it's doing the exact thing that you don't. Yeah. So what I did was then I said, OK, how can I get better?

Starting point is 00:26:09 I was introduced just by chance to functional medicine, started looking at some additional lab tests, such as now we're talking about all the times today. We're doing saliva testing, urine-based testing for the gut, stool testing. We're doing here. We do all of that. So that's essentially notch-pathic medicine

Starting point is 00:26:23 or functional medicine. And what I wanted to do, so I did my internships all over the world because I had a belief that there was one best form of medicine and I was gonna find it and I was gonna teach people about it. Like I was like super passionate. At the same time, I was very angry.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Like I was an angry kid. I grew up angry at a temper, all that. But I said- That's funny because you don't seem like that at all. I know, I've done a lot of work. That's a lot of work right there. When you were searching, were you still sick or did you finally tear yourself?

Starting point is 00:26:49 I was on the mend because I met my mentor when I was about six years into the process of getting well. And she, now this is how I did it. Like she was a naturopathic doctor and she had a subspecialty and function medicine, aerobic medicine. So I said, this is the person that got me well. Obviously I should study what she's studying.

Starting point is 00:27:09 And then, but what I did was I said, you know what though, let me explore other forms of medicine. That might be one best form. What I found was that they really all do work. You just have to know who to use what thing with, because we're all individuals. And so Ayurvedic Medicine, that was a long story to get to Ayurvedic Medicine, but Ay aerovatic medicine is the original form of medicine.

Starting point is 00:27:27 Most people don't know that. 6,000 years old. It is the largest recorded history of medical records. It has different branches, even plastic surgery. Traditional Chinese medicine came out of aerovatic medicine. And even today, when I was, I've studied all over India, but when I was in India and the foothills of the Himalayas, there were the reps of many different pharmaceutical agencies

Starting point is 00:27:49 were there working with the Ayurvedic doctors to study their plants, to then try to bring back and create patented pharmaceuticals from. A lot of people don't know this, but a statin drug is actually a patented pharmaceutical of Red G's rights or at least the extracts from that. And you can actually still buy Red G's rights it's like a mild statinol on its own.

Starting point is 00:28:05 Without a doubt. Now this, aeravetic medicine originated out of India? Correct, out of Kerala India. Okay, okay. So, how is there, what's their approach? Is it, you know, because I know, I kind of have an idea of Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese, of course, in a Western medicine.

Starting point is 00:28:19 What's the difference? They work with the body's Chi, is it similar to Chinese medicine, is it? Well, even in Chinese medicine, but in aerovatic medicine, they do a best. They call it the doches or the body types, but it can do with anything. It's about creating balance.

Starting point is 00:28:32 So let's say that we have someone that, we would call it cold or weak digestion, what they're really missing is a lot of hydrochloric acid, right? So they have hypoclyhydride. They're an ability to produce as much hydrochloric acid. So we would bring then heat to the stomach. What would we use? Well, we would use ginger, or we would use cayenne. We would do something heating to build up those stomach acids. And then let's say someone has acid reflux. Now, of course, we want to figure out why they've

Starting point is 00:28:56 acid reflux. Is it H. Pylori overgrowth? Is it fermentation? What is it? Lower suffigilous fincter, not closing. What is it? Because we can fix it. I mean, I'm telling people that there is literally an answer for everything. I mean, I'm telling people that there is literally an answer for everything. I mean, honestly, there is an answer for everything. That's what I'm discovering. And a big thing, so that we would say, if you have acid reflux, well, that's heat, right?

Starting point is 00:29:14 So we'd want to bring in cooling. We could use marshmallow. We could use peppermint tea. And we know a lot of these things right now as well. So it's very, very interesting. Iivata is all about balance. And it's literally, it translates to the science of life. It is the most complex and in-depth form of medicine in the entire world and it takes a lifetime to really study and master

Starting point is 00:29:32 but I think for anyone wanting to get into it, it's one of the best in the world. Now when you're going into it and you're learning it because I had an experience years ago, I still have a wellness, fitness facility. Nothing is as elaborate as yours but I had an acupuncturist in there, and I could see actual success when she would work with people, especially in combination with my personal training and massage therapy, for example, for pain. But the way she would explain things

Starting point is 00:29:56 used to get on my nerves. Back in those days, that was very macros, calories, lip weights, correctional exercise, and that's it. And she would talk about the meridians of the body and balancing out the chi. And I guys get so like, oh my gosh, like just don't say that. It obviously, I see it works, but this is the way you're explaining it doesn't make sense. And then I took a pause and I said, okay, let me see if I can explain it in Western medicine

Starting point is 00:30:20 or scientific ways. And I started to think about all of the ways that we have referred pain, right? Like the most common one, right? Your left arm hurts really bad. It could mean you have a heart attack. There's definitely parts of the body that you'll feel pain that refer to a different part of the body. And this has been documented in Western medicine. And so I said, I wonder if she's working with the nervous system through the needles to create, you to create just a better communication pathway so you don't necessarily feel pain like you normally would.

Starting point is 00:30:50 Or so you move better because we know the central nervous system plays a role in pretty much everything. Do you do that with your Western medicine knowledge when you look at things through their application through our medic medicine? For example, you said cold digestion and hot digestion. Do you look at those things and say, okay, I think I can explain that in scientific ways. I believe, if I do anything, that's my job.

Starting point is 00:31:13 I really believe that. I believe, for whatever reason, I don't know if everyone has this philosophy, but I had never planned to get into medicine or naturopathic medicine or any of these things, but life led me in that direction, and I have a very scientific Western-based mindset as well, probably like yourself.

Starting point is 00:31:32 I get a little bananas when I hear things like, you know, cheese and stuff like that, but I believe in it. So my job is saying like this stuff is real. It exists. We actually have scientific research on it, so people like, oh, I don't believe in Ayurveda, I'm like, how do you not believe in Ayurveda? I'm like, there is real. It exists. We actually have scientific research on it. So people are like, oh, I don't believe in Ayurveda. I'm like, how do you not believe in Ayurveda? I'm like, there's nothing to believe in.

Starting point is 00:31:49 I'm like, you can just believe in the research on it, if you'd like, because there's a book just called Scientific Studies on Ayurveda Research that's over 700 pages long. And it's like, it's just study after study after study. The Maharishi Institute in conjunction with, I forget which hospital might actually it was Ohio University, did a study showing that Panchakama

Starting point is 00:32:07 actually removed 50% of all the heavy metals and other PCBs and toxins from the body, which is basically a certain type of detoxification. What was it called? Panchakama. And this is an herb? And this is actually a detoxification-based protocol. Oh, it's a protocol, okay.

Starting point is 00:32:20 Yeah, they're doing like manual lymphatic drainage. So that's how instead of saying Abayanga, which is an IVATIC massage, I say manual of drainage, which is a type of Yeah, they're doing like manual and phatic drainage. So that's how you're, instead of saying Abayanga, which is a Iveyadak massage, I say manual and drainage, which is a type of massage that we know in Western countries. And you're communicating to me much better. Well, that's how I feel. Like, you don't need to go off the deep end because then you alienate people.

Starting point is 00:32:34 Like, we live in, so a lot of the people we work with are UK, Canada, Australia, Europe, and the US. And like, we just don't speak the ancient, you know, speak. And so why not bring it up to our, you know, knowledge base or our dialect. And then people can go back and read it and they can look it from their perspective because you can say Prana or Chi or you can just kind of say like, Hey, the nervous system and energy in your body. And that is the biggest overlook thing.

Starting point is 00:33:01 The way that people get sick and the way that people will get well is something called the neuroendo immune system. Your nervous system affects your hormones, we were talking about low testosterone earlier, which then affects your immune system. So if you can figure out the link between what's wrong, what's stimulating, overstimulating the nervous system,

Starting point is 00:33:18 viruses, heavy metals, some type of leaky gut and testimonial brace permeability, toxicities, work, life, stress, and then understanding the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal axis, which we just went over the sympathetic nervous system, overstimulating the adrenals. People talk about adrenal fatigue. Forget about all that. You don't have to use those terms, which people have turned off at as well.

Starting point is 00:33:37 Think about it as your brain telling you adrenals what to do, and then that fires your nervous system. All right. So what happens is, well, then you're going to get a reduction or a decrease in testosterone and DHA. In the short term, they actually spike. When someone is under stress, testosterone and DHA go up. Under chronic stress, they go down

Starting point is 00:33:54 because it's been happening for too long. So that's why you have to look at those tests with the grain of salt, where are you in your life? And then after that, morning cortisol starts to fall. So you start to get a little bit groggy in the morning. You wanna have this news better instead of just jump out of bed. But later in the day, your cortisol stays high.

Starting point is 00:34:09 And too high at night, so you get what's called a broken diorama rhythm. So now you wanna go to bed later. You think you're a night owl. When there's no such thing, people say, oh, there's studies showing that some people have higher cortisol at night. I understand that.

Starting point is 00:34:21 Yes, I get it. But that's because we have electricity and we can sleep in later. And lights, you put someone in the outback and you put them there for three weeks. Or even three weeks. A year is great. Believe me, they're waking up when the sun's rising

Starting point is 00:34:35 in the morning after three weeks and going to bed when it's dark. I got a question. So it's funny you say this about stress. How short stress raises testosterone or a DHA. It's the long-term chronic stress. The reason why that's fascinating to me is when I've talked about how the modern lifestyle is inundated

Starting point is 00:34:52 with all this chronic stress, I'll hear the argument like people will say, well, God, when we were hunter-gatherers and we were cave people, that shit was stressful too. Like, we didn't have food all the time. You got chased by a saber tooth, you know, lion or whatever. You know, you were gonna get killed, you broke your bone, you were dead.

Starting point is 00:35:08 And I, I, I, I, with the argument just be, look, the stress was different. It was acute and then gone. And today it's this mild long term, like never goes away type of stress. Is that accurate? That's accurate. So I would say that, um,

Starting point is 00:35:21 there were also less choices in life, right? So like, the input right now is so unbelievable. say that there were also less choices in life, right? So like, the input right now is so unbelievable. I don't know the statistics because this is certainly not my Eruverks' expertise of how many times per day were bombarded with input, right? From advertisements, lights, like just walking around. Well, when you're walking around in nature,

Starting point is 00:35:40 you're getting natural, uh, uh, binaral beats, right? You're getting natural, like waves and wind and sound. You're getting all those things that calm the sympathetic nervous system. Now we've got, you know, phone alerts, we've got... All the stimulus on our, again, peripheral nervous system, on our autonomic nervous system. And so, and if you were chased by a saber-treat tiger,

Starting point is 00:36:02 listen, after about what, 10 seconds, you were either eaten or you got in a way. Like, it was binary. Like, you didn't get half eaten, like that was it. So, you got away, you probably were like, yeah, stress is going on the mission. You got to decide it. Yeah, without a doubt. You're going to bang your cave woman and then that's it.

Starting point is 00:36:18 That's it. And then you were like, hey, let me not go to that watering hole again. Well, the cyber tiger was there. Like, you learned or you were literally dead. So I do believe that now we're in just chronic stress instead of up and down stress. I mean, we're just having evolved,

Starting point is 00:36:32 we didn't evolve to deal with that stress in that particular way. You said the nervous system affects the hormones which affects the immune system. Is it always in that order or can it go the other way around? Like if something affects the immune system, then does it go to the nervous system and vice

Starting point is 00:36:47 versa? Yeah, that's a great point. It is. It's a circular loop, which is why it's so hard to get out of it. So what happens is a lot of people don't know this, but when you produce cortisol, we talked about it producing the glucocorticoids, right? So it produces sugar. Basically, it's going to drag glycogen from the liver or anywhere.

Starting point is 00:37:04 I mean, it will dry it from, if you have food in your system, it will use that. It could use muscle tissue, but your body will survive. Like, it's meant to survive. That's why you can't trick it. I mean, I love the term biohack, but the truth is, you can't hack your body. You can do things to kind of like modulate it up and down, but

Starting point is 00:37:19 it's going to figure out a way eventually because it's built for survival. So what happens, though, is when you produce higher levels of glucose, and again, you don't have to be eating glucose, you can be stressed, your body will produce more insulin. When you produce insulin, you actually produce something called interleukin six.

Starting point is 00:37:34 When you produce that, you're gonna have higher levels than of inflammation or immune-based response. That inflammation can cause weight gain or puffiness. I really believe that when people are closer they're goal weight and they're doing everything right. I've talked about this before, that when it's usually not body fat, you're literally swollen with water

Starting point is 00:37:51 because you're inflamed. So when you look a little softer overall, it could be food sensitivities, it could be gut issues, it could be higher levels of stress, it's inflammation that is then looping back around, like you just said. So let's just say you have intestinal permeability, really calm with all the antibiotics and alcohol

Starting point is 00:38:07 and all the other stuff going on, is that you're spilling proteins, even from healthy foods in your bloodstream and that's causing immune-based reaction. Well, that immune reaction is a stressor on your body, for sure, so that's absolutely correct. So I have a question for you along those lines. We've talked about on the show how,

Starting point is 00:38:23 and speculated that it may not be a good idea for athletes to consume food right after a workout. Because of the systemic inflammatory response, and maybe not for everybody, but maybe for people with who are prone to, you know, intestinal hyperpermeability, that's probably weight until that inflammatory response goes away.

Starting point is 00:38:45 Are we giving people the right advice? It's complicated, but there are scenarios when you wanna do some feeding and some not. If someone is looking to actually get the benefits of the fat burning potential from that workout, just to keep that going where the blood glucose levels are a little bit lower, that's great. I mean, I think you guys agree,

Starting point is 00:39:05 and I would agree that you're not looking for any one workout to transform your body, you're actually looking for the body of your work, and to do maybe interval-based training, which is a little less maybe calorie burn at the time, but more metabolic effect over the greater term. However, I would say this is that after a workout, we've seen some really good research now, and I was actually talking with this about a big name in this industry, I just won't mention his name.

Starting point is 00:39:29 They were going to do IVs for people right after they work out, Myers cocktails. And so that would obviously be a lot of vitamin C and it'd be magnesium, great things for your body, right? Boost your immune system. The problem is this, we've actually seen it be detrimental to take in a lot of antioxidants after a hard workout. And you're not allowing your body, it's natural inflammatory process to begin to repair those muscles.

Starting point is 00:39:51 So that's huge, but the other thing is this, let's say it wasn't really hard workout, what do you want to do after a really hard workout? Because cortisol levels are now up, you want to test cortisol and testosterone in a direct inverse ratio. You know, if you work out too hard, I mean studies are all over the board, but usually it's over 40 minutes of a really inverse ratio. You know, if you work out too hard, I mean, studies are all over the board, but usually it's over 40 minutes of a really hard workout. Cortisol is gonna be higher, testosterone's gonna start to drop, you know, just that inverse curve.

Starting point is 00:40:11 So when I look at that, I say, well, what's the easiest way to turn off cortisol after a workout, carbohydrates, not protein and fat? So that's why you have to be careful with a client who doesn't, if they're a hard gainer and they want to gain carbs after you work out, absolute fruit, just fruit. So, fruit is anti-inflammatory,

Starting point is 00:40:28 and it's also gonna cut cortisol. It's the only food, essentially, that does it. You can do sweet potatoes, you can do anything that you want, but make it easy to digest, and then stretch. So, I'll talk about this all the time. It's like, you stretch after you work out, not because you want to become more flexible. You can do that if you'd like.

Starting point is 00:40:41 You stretch after you work out to turn off the sympathetic nervous system, what would you like? And turn on the PNS, which is gonna start recombing the body. Oh, good that if you'd like. You stretch after your workout to turn off the sympathetic nervous system overdrive and turn on the PNS, which is going to start recombing the body. Oh good, we're on the right track. We have a program. We have a program that we've incorporated that in one of our programs. Yeah, we have one of our programs where teach people how to prime their workouts or set up their workouts and also how to do it at the end. And at the end is what we incorporate the static stretching. So, I mean, from everything you're talking about, it sounds like

Starting point is 00:41:03 we should really focus more on how to get into the parasympathetic state. Like, do you have any ways that you know, or you tell your clients as far as methods that you promote with that? Yes, and we certainly don't need any more help getting into the fighter flight, right? The sympathetic, so it always is, like you said, it's getting that parasympathetic, well, how do you do it?

Starting point is 00:41:20 You know, that's the challenge you part, it's all the things that we don't wanna do because it causes us to slow down. We're having meditation, walking, all of the exactly freezing. What do you do? Well, you basically try to do nothing. That's easier than done. A sauna is a great way, but a lot of people exercise

Starting point is 00:41:37 and they're sauna-like. That's such a Western-based mentality. Just sit there and breathe and meditate and relax and focus on gratitude. It's like all of those things is trying to get to sleep at around 10 p.m. or a little bit early to work with a natural diurnal rhythm of the body. It is doing meditation, it's doing hatha yoga.

Starting point is 00:41:54 So a lot of things that we recommend, yes, we'll recommend high intensity, the interval training, we've actually gotten a little bit more, believe it or not, into some steady state cardio, which we got away from for like a decade. And the reason we did is that it doesn't stimulate the sympathetic nervous system in the same degree.

Starting point is 00:42:08 And it's great, it almost has like a recovery workout, which oxygenates the body to a greater degree of circulation. Exactly. Because it's not anaerobic. It's more aerobic and anaerobic is great. We know that, but like it's all about balance. So the more someone is sympathetic nervous system dominance, especially like the hard gainers, the thinner people,

Starting point is 00:42:25 the smaller joints, we need to do more of the parasympathetic. And so, I mean, you guys are, you know, absolutely in the wrong track, it's right track, it's the meditation, it's the hot the yoga, it's the stretching, it's foam rolling, it's float tanks, but gentle massage. A lot of people are going for deep tissue massage.

Starting point is 00:42:44 It's painful. Pain turns on the sympathetic nervous system. You're in a survival state. Someone is literally with their elbow and your back. Dude, I've been massage like that before and I'm in a cold sweat while I'm getting hammered by someone's elbow, so for sure I could tell. Now, why do we do that on the west?

Starting point is 00:43:00 Like we take everything and make it intense. Like yoga, power yoga, yoga with weights, you know? Sonna, let's see how long I can go. And inside the Sonna, how long I can last. Like we do everything like that. Why do you think that is? Is it different? Human nature.

Starting point is 00:43:14 Do you think it's a different though in other countries with roots in, you know, Ervedic medicine for example? Do they treat it differently? That's a good question. It is a good question. And you know, it's part of the psyche for sure more in the West where it's like, how can we one up that?

Starting point is 00:43:29 Like, even as health professionals, like, oh well, that person's keto, but I'm even more cute. Like, yeah, right? Like 50 grams. We can my pee strip, bro. Yeah. Like, oh, they're eating 50 grams just in broccoli, but I'm actually not doing any vegetables at all.

Starting point is 00:43:44 So I mean, I was like, what are we doing? So yes, it's definitely a more Western-based mentality, but there's, you know, there's a competitive gene in humans, and I think that's what really has helped us move forward. Absolutely. So we evolve. Somebody has to go and fall off the cliff, right? Find out there. Can you fly?

Starting point is 00:44:00 You don't want to just make your arms. Yeah, man. That's hilarious. You're very... You're very killed. Yeah, Adam always makes this comment of how the people who need to relax are the ones that aren't. And the ones who need to kick up their intensity,

Starting point is 00:44:11 the yogis or the dudes at the long hair, like smoke weed all day long, and don't do anything, they need a little amp up in their life. And that's Ayurveda in a nutshell. Like that is it, the Vata body type of the ectomorph are always on the go, and they wanna do everything, and then the endomorph, which is typically the larger

Starting point is 00:44:28 or body type, they're just born, they've larger calves, they're just, you can just tell, by the body type, that's something I never used to believe in, but the truth is the truth, is they wanna do the yoga, right? They should be the ones doing the daily exercise, whereas the ectomorph, maybe three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday for a hard gainer. You tell me a hard gainer should work out every day when the whole count of all in the

Starting point is 00:44:48 first place. That was the biggest mistake that I made as a kick, because I was definitely the ectomorph in the hard gainer. And what was I doing training seven days a week, sometimes twice a day thinking that I was going to pass them all in between yet for sure? That's hilarious. So what do you think about like tools, for example, I mean, are you try, do you try to do everything all natural or like, like, for example, like one of our sponsors

Starting point is 00:45:07 is a Juve Red Light therapy. Like do you see benefits of tools like this? Yeah, absolutely. I love sonas, I love infrared sonas. Juve is another great example of that. I love binaural beats, you know, literally just putting those on. I like whole tones, I'm not sponsored by them.

Starting point is 00:45:23 I just think they're another great one. Brandefem.com. What's that name? Brandefem.com. You have Brandefem as well. Oh, I love them. I love them. So yeah, and I actually, I pay for that.

Starting point is 00:45:33 So I love all of those. And the truth is that you'll cycle through things. So one of the reasons why I love all of these gadgets is because they keep our Western based minds interested. So I'm wearing this ring right now. I won't give the name of the ring in case you guys have different sponsors. They're moving over or or so. It's all good.

Starting point is 00:45:51 So this right here, I'm not going to wear this forever, but I test all these things for myself, like it's fun, right? Cool. So I said with this, I'm like, listen, I want to start looking at my sleep again. How restful is it? Am I staying asleep? Am I waking up too often? Am I getting my 10,000 steps a day,

Starting point is 00:46:06 which I'm a huge proponent of, because again, that's a parasympathetic nervous system activity, as long as you're not checking your email while you're walking. And, you know, but with this was a kept me interested, kept my mind in it, and I started to have fun again, and that was kind of like a big part of it. So, I like all of them, I really do.

Starting point is 00:46:21 These things worry me, the smart gadgets, and so I test them for EMFs, and I also test them for radiation, electronic as well as magnetic frequencies, and then radiation, because I do think that we have to be careful with it. So it's funny you bring that up, because I think Sal speculated this just the other day

Starting point is 00:46:35 when we were talking that, that's gonna be the next big thing that we're gonna hear a big scare about, because of all these wearables and tools, and now we're putting gadgets under our skin. The phone right next to your crotch all the time. So what's your theory on that? scare about because of all these wearables and tools and now we're putting gadgets under our skin. The phone right next to your crotch all the time. Right.

Starting point is 00:46:47 So what's your theory on that? Well, so I believe, because again, I like to really be honest to my research and I have read research on it and there's actually more research in Europe being done on this than in the United States. And they're showing that it actually affects our DNA to cellular level. So this could become a huge issue. It's potentially affecting children with ADD, ADHD, as well as IQ.

Starting point is 00:47:09 I think we need a lot more data. I also believe that some people are susceptible to it more than others, which will be interesting to see if that's actually affected by the microbiome, if that's actually affected by other things within the body itself. Heavy metals, I think is a huge one.

Starting point is 00:47:22 If you have heavy metals in your body, you're more of a beacon for electromagnetic frequencies. That's just going to make sense. You literally have metals in your mouth or in your body from aluminum in your tap water. So I think that that matters. And one other piece I wanted to say to that as well, when 5G comes out, no one's talking about 5G.

Starting point is 00:47:40 A lot of people don't know the level that that's going to be. It's 10X what we're at right now with our 4G. So when we look at that, we say, well, what's that going to be? Because remember, the 5G does not have a great span of width. I'm not an expert in 5G, so I don't want to pretend that I am. But you're going to have them all around you. They're going to literally be on streets, everywhere.

Starting point is 00:48:03 So you're more intensive of frequency frequency more intense of a frequency closer up So here's what I do because I get I live in the real world I'm gonna have wireless internet a lot of people just directly plug in I don't what I do is this I test my house. I have an EMF meter and I just make sure that my bedroom that I'm in for eight hours a night is EMF free and so this is really interesting because I have two young daughters the four and six years old And I'm like I need to I need to young daughters, the four and six years old. And I'm like, I need to figure out for them because they're probably more susceptible, only make sense that they're tiny, they're like 35 pounds, they're going to be more susceptible.

Starting point is 00:48:31 So one thing we found is that their mattresses, believe it or not, had coils in them. So most mattresses are a lot of them have metal coils. And they were baby monitors in their room, and they were white noise machines. Those are two of the largest EMF base frequency generators. And then their coils were picking up those EMFs. Again, they're invisible, so you don't see them. So their mattresses were literally sitting here generating these frequencies.

Starting point is 00:48:54 So we replaced those out with coil-free mattresses and actually that made a huge difference. It did. It did make a big difference. Huge, yeah. Wow, so you're thinking that this could be a problem in the future. We just need a little bit more data. And the problem is it's long term, right?

Starting point is 00:49:09 So it's, we're going to fuck ourselves up for a while before we figure it out. It's decades. Yeah, some people feel it right away now. Again, some people really feel because the nervous system based issues that they feel it right away. And it's hard for me with the science and Western based mindset to say like, how, like how, like I can't see it happening. We don't have a ton of data, but I believe it.

Starting point is 00:49:31 Like we're, we're, our bodies are frequencies, right? So like when you look at it at a quantum mechanics and quantum physics level, this is no longer woo woo based science. We're literally vibrating beings. So if we enter in a new vibration or frequency, that is not part of nature. Would that change us? And I would have to say it does. I don't know, but I would have

Starting point is 00:49:49 to put that. It's got to have some kind of an impact. I know Dr. McCullough sleeps in like a Faraday cage over his bed to block all EMFs and stuff like that. Right. You know, we should have probably done this in the being of the episode, but what is it exactly? Is it is a naturopathic doctor? What, like, what do they specialize in? What's different about them? Then let's say, your normal MD? Yeah, so a medical, see you study the same two things

Starting point is 00:50:10 basically for the first two years, which is your biology, your chemistry, your physiology, toxicology, all your allergies, I always call it. And then after that, a medical doctor will study pharmaceuticals and how to use those in the treatment of acute or chronic-based diseases. And as a naturopathic doctor, you just decide to use the best of natural-based substances, whether they be herbs or vitamins.

Starting point is 00:50:32 You still use functional medicine. Well, actually, so there's a huge difference. Naturopathic doctors will use functional medicine lab tests, and they will be saliva tests, urine tests, stool tests, hair tests. And what we do is we don't diagnose treat or cure disease. We look at the underlying root causes of why people have the disease in the first place.

Starting point is 00:50:50 It's my belief that diseases don't really exist how we think they are. We give a name to a set of symptoms that we call a disease, so that we can then build insurance to perturb his pharmaceutical. Rheumatoid arthritis is literally the destruction of, let's just say your finger joints are joints in general

Starting point is 00:51:09 by something called CD8 cells in your body. CD8 cells are triggered when they see something that's far into the body and they create something called apoptosis or cellular death, program cellular death. They tell that cell to kill itself and the cell actually will kill itself to preserve the body. Well, but if they ask yourself, like why is the immune system telling that cell to kill itself and the cell actually will kill itself to preserve the body. Well, but if they ask yourself, like, why is the immune system telling that cell to kill itself in the first place? So we look at all the different reasons of why that might happen. And again, I'm not the first person.

Starting point is 00:51:33 Like, I always tell people that think of every area of medical or science. I'm not the expert in that. What I try to do is bring all of those together in a truly integrated form of medicine that hasn't been done before. Meaning like, are you Vedic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, bioregulatory medicine? What I try to do is bring all of those together in a truly integrated form of medicine that hasn't been done before, meaning like aerovatic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, bioregulatory medicine, you mentioned acupuncture earlier. That's not a form of medicine. That's a submodality of traditional Chinese medicine.

Starting point is 00:51:54 Acupuncture is amazing, especially for nervous system-based issues, anxiety, sleep issues, et cetera. However, when I was in China in a traditional Chinese medicine hospital studying there, we never did acupuncture without herbs or other lifestyle-based things as well, and foods. So what we do is we try to work on the whole person and figure out why the autoimmune, and now we know that 90% over 90% of all autoimmune-based issues have some type of intestinal permeability where proteins are moving through the gut wall and immune systems are marking them as some

Starting point is 00:52:22 type of antigen or pathogen to be removed from the body. Now, there are many theories. It could be something called molecular mimicry, where the body looks at that protein and sees a similar one to the cell or inside the cell and causes that cell to destroy itself. Or that bacteria, because there are something called lipopolysaccharides as well. This you'll start to hear more of as well, because people are doing the keto diet, right? A lot of it's saturated fat. Well, when you take saturated fats and you enter them into a gut with a lot of bacteria,

Starting point is 00:52:47 what happens is it can transport that bacteria through an intestinal wall if it's permeable enough and into the bloodstream. Now you've introduced a libel polysaccharide, it has to actually sugar, that you move through the gut wall into potentially being taken up by a cell. If that happens, the body can still look at that cell

Starting point is 00:53:04 as harboring something that's toxic to the body, and then can use this specific immune cell to create apoptosis within that cell, basically program cell death. And now what do you have? Well, you have destroyed joint tissue, but is it your body's fault? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:53:17 I don't know, but what I know is that we can, and again, we don't treat diagnosis or cure disease, but we can fix the underlying root causes. People are in our practice. We see these things miraculously go away. Well, that makes sense with the saturated fat because there seems to be like this big difference between how some people are perfectly fine with a relatively high saturated fat diet and other people, their lipids will go all over the place. They'll have all kinds of, you know, terrible health effects. So it kind of makes sense and why there seems to be that line in the sand where some people are totally fine and other people, it's like, okay, we got to stay away from the saturated

Starting point is 00:53:50 fat. I mean, I really want to qualify this because this is something that at least people want people to think about, all right? So I want just, we're not going to say it's right or wrong for everyone. If we believe in genetics and we believe in our genetic testing, we know something that's been around now for over 30 years and that's called the APOE Genotype. This is a specific allele. Everyone gets one copy from each parent. There's a two, a three, or a four. That's all you can get. So you're either a two-two, I won't go through them all,

Starting point is 00:54:17 but there's a two, a three, and a four. You can get one copy of each. So anyone that has a four, they've found that the higher the fat in their diet from anything, but specifically saturated fat, the greater their causes of inflammation in the body, which leads to then Alzheimer's, dementia, and cardiovascular-based disease. If we look at those as the leading causes of death, we can say, well, that would be great for us to reduce. Now, let's go to the other side of the spectrum because for those people, believe it or not, if you have an apoi, especially four, for those that's specific allele,

Starting point is 00:54:47 that protein. What we're looking at is those people that take in a lot of saturated fats that actually does affect their blood cholesterol. Now, here's the interesting thing. They only make up 26% of the population. So when you do a study, saturated fats don't matter, right? Because it only affects 26% of the population, but that's really detrimental for a quarter of the people out there. And then if you look in the other side, the three three is the normal one that's, I say normal, but it's the norm.

Starting point is 00:55:11 It's 55% to 66% of the population at 3.3. So they can kind of get away with the things in the middle. But the two two is more of a, actually it's more of a Neanderthal based gene. Only two percent of the population has this, but they can have up to 35% of their diet pretty much insaturated fat, a larger amount or fat in general, and not of an issue. But now when we start to talk about...

Starting point is 00:55:32 Kido, when we start to talk about things like that, I say, okay, short term, absolutely, I get it could be used for cancer-space tumors, could be used for different medical-based reasons. But if we take our fat to 70%, I don't see, that's not in the literature at all for long term, especially for genot for genotops. Like that much fat, she would really take one macro and throw it through the roof to the detriment of the others.

Starting point is 00:55:53 I don't believe that that will hold up except in medical-based instances where we're trying to really, what are we doing with keto too? Really a lot of the benefits which no one's talking about as well as coming from fasting and autophagy. Yeah, yeah. I was like, if we clear the case studies and research based on that, are we really getting it?

Starting point is 00:56:10 Just because we're leveling out blood sugar and we're fasting for 12 hours or more. Right. It's mimicking fasting and many people. There's some studies on long term, but it's all on children with epilepsy or people have like a medical reason for going on keto, in which case intervention. Yeah, in which case it's better than the alternative which is having seizures all day

Starting point is 00:56:29 Totally agree and I think that's what people are pointing at let's get into fasting a little bit That's something that we we kind of I think we recommend to people to Intermittently do every once in a while and I think it's something that's turning into a Popular thing to do that I don't know if they're getting more of a weight loss method. Right. And it's the call that starving yourself. So will we typically recommend for people?

Starting point is 00:56:51 And of course, if you're healthy and can do this and balance, right? I think we say anywhere between 24 to a 36 hour type of fast to once a month is something that we think is better than somebody who skips meals for 16-hour window and does that every single day. What are your thoughts on fasting? I love that you guys are saying that. I don't believe the 16-hour fast today is a great thing. 16 hours a day. I just don't. And the reason is that we lab test this. So it's not, again, like a quarter million client appointments of data. It's just like, I don't want to guess. I just don't, because I want to get people

Starting point is 00:57:26 to write information. And when I see people fast, they're, again, getting the kids ready, they're running off to work, they're trying to meet deadlines, and they're drinking coffee in the morning. You're not really fasted. You spike quarters all again. You're gonna have sugar in your blood

Starting point is 00:57:39 no matter how you state it. You're not fasted. You cannot eat and not be fasted. Meaning like if we're talking about glucose, because when we say fasted, we're saying like, oh well, yeah, I'm fasted because I haven't eaten, sure, but like you're fasting because you want the benefits of fasting, right?

Starting point is 00:57:53 Like if you're going hypocaloric because you're skipping a meal a day and so you take out five or 600 calories, I get it, like yes, okay, so that will work too. But what I like to say is, we do, so in my practice, we do this in four ways. We do a 12 hour overnight fast for every human being alive. So essentially from six or seven o'clock, whatever you can do at night to 12 hours the next day.

Starting point is 00:58:12 And what I would say is you can actually fast until you get going. So if you have a slow morning and you wake up and you meditate and you just take a shower and you kind of ease into the day, no need to eat yet. You're at a slow, fat, oxidizing stage, right? But once you start revving up, that is when you need to put some food in your body, ideally. For at least especially that ectomorph, that vatabody type, the person who's more catabocked,

Starting point is 00:58:35 they lose weight without trying versus gain weight without trying, right? So I'm a big proponent of that, like six, seven o'clock at night, stopping eating two to three hours before bed, one of the best things you can do to get a better night's sleep and just be able for better digestion. But then, so what I'll just give an example for myself. Like I stopped eating about six, 30 at night,

Starting point is 00:58:54 and then I don't eat until seven, 30 the next morning. That's 13 hours, right? Because I start my day around seven, 15 or so, and I'm so I'm gonna start just by sipping on like some smoothie and kind of get it into the day. For a lot of people, they could go maybe until like nine or 10 a.m., but not to lunch. And the reason just goes back to again,

Starting point is 00:59:10 that cortisol-based spike in women, doesn't happen to men, is often. But in women, I would say it is detrimental to skip breakfast. And the reason is we see hypothyroidism from keto-based diets and low carb diets and long fasted diets in many, many women. And I would obviously say it's more of the norm than not.

Starting point is 00:59:30 I think it's evolutionary. I think if we go through the hunter gatherer theory, men being the hunters, we probably evolve to go without food for longer periods of time and be active. Women being the gatherers, they probably came around small bits of food throughout the day as they're gathering roots and tubers and nuts and seeds and all that kind of stuff. And they're also the ones that bear the child.

Starting point is 00:59:55 And I've seen that as well. I've seen women go on fast consistently and start to experience things like hair loss. You know, and the guys don't seem to, we seem to have a better resilience towards fasting. I actually agree with that, and there's then science to back that up as well. So what happens is when,

Starting point is 01:00:12 this is again, specifically, more specifically for women, when you produce your first adrenal based response, which is norepinephrine, it stops making that conversion from TSH to T4. And then when you produce glucocorticoids, you actually block the conversion from TSH to T4. And then when you produce glucocorticoids, you actually block the conversion from T4 to activated T3, which happens inside the cell.

Starting point is 01:00:31 Or you take active T3, which is the active thyroid hormone, and you create something called reverse T3, so it's unusable. And I believe the reason that this has happening in the female body, and again, this is, it's theory, but my belief is this, is that if you're in a stress-based situation, there's not enough food, there's not enough water, there's water, there's water, there's whatever there might be, you're telling your body, this is not the situation to bring a child into this world.

Starting point is 01:00:55 That's my belief, and I see it play out with infertility in my practice, so what do we do? Well, we start to calm down those quarters all levels, replenish the body with the B vitamins, the vitamin C, everything that's missing, zinc, whatever it might be. Again, you can lab test those. You can find out what you're low on

Starting point is 01:01:09 for your vitamins and your minerals. We put those back in, we get them into more of what, we would say like a safer, calmer environment, which again is more mindset and framing that and then not the excessive low carb. And again, I'm a huge proponent of low carb. I've been doing that since like the late 90s, but not forever.

Starting point is 01:01:25 And then we also do it cyclical based, meaning like we'll do refeeding meals every week or cheat meals, whatever you wanna call it, flex meals. And also, what do you consider low carb? Because some people are like, low carb means no carb, which is different than what I would consider low carb,

Starting point is 01:01:39 which is like 100 to 150 grams a day. It seems to me too, in terms of fasting, that the ancients had it right, right? So they use it more in their spiritual practice in a state of like a meditative state where they are calmed. So it's just interesting to see these things kind of come around like what you're saying makes a lot of sense as far as being like super active

Starting point is 01:01:59 and all that goes, probably not a good time to use it. Exactly. So we'll just get him back to your point. I don't want to not answer that question. We'll recommend a once, so we get people healthy first. That's really important. Get them balanced.

Starting point is 01:02:10 Then we'll do a once a week fast, but it's 24 hours, but it's actually not a day without eating. So it's very simple for people to do. So every Sunday night, I'll do a blow out mail on Saturday night, whatever I want. And it will be like be to the nines.

Starting point is 01:02:26 And then Sunday, go back to normal eating, and the reason people don't fast the day after you get crazy with alcohol or whatever, right? And I'm not a big drinker of alcohol, but you don't want to do the next day because you're then re-regulated and blood sugar the next day. So it's gonna make your fast that much harder if you do your fast the next day after that big cheat mail

Starting point is 01:02:41 where you're gonna go hypoglycemic most likely the next morning. So I take Sundays a normal day, unless the Patriots are playing, and then on Monday, I'll do the fast. I'll do it from Sunday night until Monday night. And so that's 24 hours, but I'm still having dinner with my family Monday night.

Starting point is 01:02:55 And during that fast, I try to do water only or I'll do hot ginger tea, which is great for open up the lymphatic system, kidneys, all of that as well. So I did a protocol for about six months and it was the single most effective thing that I've ever done for my particular body. Now I've had gut health issues for,

Starting point is 01:03:15 I had to deal with them, I'd say for the last maybe 10 years or so. And I manage it with what I eat. I eliminated certain foods and, you know, see, kind of a dial actually helped me quite a bit, CBD, you know, helped me with that as well. But what I did, maybe about three months ago, was the last time I did it, is I did a once a month, 48 to 72 hour fast.

Starting point is 01:03:37 And the reason why I did that, as I was reading literature on fasting, and I read that in animal studies, they showed that a 72 hour fast would almost completely replace the immune cells in cats. And I thought to myself, well, if my issues are autoimmune and I know that fasting induces a poptosis and then stem cells are stimulated and I feed myself and then maybe that'll end up happening for me.

Starting point is 01:03:59 And I don't know if that's exactly what happened, but I'll tell you what's the single best thing I ever did. It was a six month period, and my gut got progressively better to the point now where it's better than it's been in a long time. Was I on the right track with that? Obviously, I got great results with that, but is that something that you think would work for other people? Yeah, that's really great to hear too.

Starting point is 01:04:19 So one thing is, like we said, we walk people up the level so that every day for 12 hours to maybe up to 14 And again that depends on how quickly you get going during the day and then the once a week or maybe just once a month of that one day of Week fast the 24 hours we do quarterly to 48 hours to 72 hour fast So these are longevity based. I mean this is like legitimate. This is if there is a fountain of youth It's fasting. Honestly, the second fountain of youth would be sauna based on the finished study with over 20, I can't remember the number right now, thousands and thousands of people over more than a decade. And they

Starting point is 01:04:56 found that it reduced cardiovascular risk by 43, 63% cardiovascular risk, dying of a heart attack. It's unbelievable. And it reduced all cars' mortality. That means every form of death was reduced by 42%. Wow. By doing 19 minutes a day of sauna. Not even in for a sauna, just 19 minutes a day of sauna. Well, that was a cold for 45 days. So I'm not, I wanna get back,

Starting point is 01:05:18 I wanna answer your question of fasting and the cold plunge is a really great question. So the fasting, we do the 48 to 72 hours every quarter. So that's a big thing with us, where a huge proponent of that. So the greatest amount of a topogy can take place. Now a topogy is basically auto-phagosotosis, which means that your body is going in

Starting point is 01:05:38 when it has no more food coming in, and scavenging cancer cells, all the week-tagogy, Whatever, that shouldn't be there. Because now you gave your body time. Because every time you eat, believe it or not, your immune system turns on. Like it's like, hey, is this good or bad? Is this good? Like, it's always asking.

Starting point is 01:05:53 Because your intestines are essentially a single cell. You know, when we look at the LAMO appropriate, we're looking at, okay, like your immune cells can go into your intestines whenever they want, and when food comes out, then it's going to get attacked as well. So, I think that that absolutely did help you. What I would say, and my rebuttal to that is because also when you have no food coming in, your actual microbiome is shrinking, right?

Starting point is 01:06:15 So every time you fast, you don't have enough good carbs meaning vegetables, your microbiome is shrinking. So that's what I worry about long-term health with keto as well as the microbiome. Sure, like there's studies on this, but like what about this part? So it is about balance. And what I would say is as always look at what is going on, is it H. Pylori, is it Candido Overgrowth, is it small intestine bacterial overgrowth, is it parasites? And if you've done the lab testing and everything is balanced, yes, then I would look at sealing up that gut wall and making sure that it's not a

Starting point is 01:06:42 vagal nerve stimulation of your gut, because that can cause you gut issues as well. But for sure, you can figure that out. But the fasting, no matter what, is absolutely great. And it does help to reset the immune system. That's the way to think about it as this. And this is what I wrote about as well. My book is, when you look at the overall immune system, think of it as a Pac-Man game. And think about not adding more of those little like discs

Starting point is 01:07:05 or whatever they are that you're eating up, right? So let's say that you have three Pac-Man inside of a ball, and they get to eat three of those pieces every day, and there's 10 of those pieces. By the end of the three days, they've eaten up all the bacteria. They've eaten up everything that shouldn't be there. Well, but every time you eat new food, more come in.

Starting point is 01:07:21 So we can look at it as like, you have to fast in order just to catch up. So I really believe that that fasting is the closest thing we have to the fun of youth. Back to the cold plunge, just talk a little bit about that. This is controversial as well. When I talk about this with people, like there are no nine hours is very controversial,

Starting point is 01:07:38 but I say I just believe that I can back it up. Good, that's good controversial. And so cold showers are not for everyone. Cold plungers are not for everyone. And the reason is this, cold plungers are amazing for stimulating dopamine, the immune system, waking up the body, but it does that by what revving up the nervous system.

Starting point is 01:07:58 Norepinephrine, I think is the best bike to the river. Exactly. So when you rev up Norepinephrine, that's the first phase. That's the adrenal medulla phase of the hypothalamus adrenal axis. So, okay, great. If you're someone that needs a stimulation, like it let's say you are a lower cortisol person because you're more of the endomorph body type. I recommend absolute cold plunges, hot cold showers, but if you're more of the ectomorph

Starting point is 01:08:21 and you're already super sensitive in the first place, you're telling me that you want to jump under that cold charge. Very interesting. You want the heat, you want the rest, the relaxation heat actually will calm the nervous system, where cold will stimulate the nervous system. Yes, it produces more immune cells in the short term, but it also stimulates all of the peripherals. No, I can 100% agree with you. So here's a question on that, because it does feel good to spike cortisol.

Starting point is 01:08:47 This is why people do it all the time. Cortisol feels great. Oh, it's addictive. Yeah, and so I'm wondering, do people's behaviors inadvertently, or maybe subconsciously, do they change their behaviors to give themselves more cortisol because their bodies have become desensitized to cortisol?

Starting point is 01:09:01 So in other words, I'm a high-stereous person, not good sleep, drink lots of coffee. I work out hard, and then my energy starts to drop and lower, so I'm seeking out situations that raise my cortisol more. I work out harder, I find myself more late to appointments. I, you know, maybe I drive differently, all of these subconscious ways of spiking cortisol,

Starting point is 01:09:23 and because I've had clients like this, where they come to me and I'm like, listen, spin class is not the workout you should be doing. You're type A, you don't get good sleep, and they'll tell me, but I feel fantastic afterwards. Do you find people changing their behaviors to seek out those cortisol spikes because their bodies have became maybe

Starting point is 01:09:41 desensitized to cortisol? Absolutely. I mean, when you look at it, it's one of the best drugs in the world. And our body makes it and caffeine makes more of it. And so when you say like, oh well, I'm not myself without this. And but at one point in your life, you were yourself.

Starting point is 01:09:58 But what happened is you just never found the balance between being able to rejuvenate in the parasympathetic nervous system and then work in the sympathetic nervous system. So I completely agree with it and the worst part is we're doing it later in the day. I could get behind some of the things that people do earlier in the day, like 11 a.m. 12 p.m. or before. But when you look at a natural diurnal rhythm curve of cortisol and diurnal just diurnal

Starting point is 01:10:23 just means we have two phases during the day. So our cortisol naturally starts to ramp up around 4am, same with the highest levels of thyroid. That's when blood pressure starts to increase. These are all like natural processes. Melatonin starts to go down because melatonin's in juxtaposition to cortisol. When cortisol starts to rise between 6 and 8am, we should naturally wake up on our own. But again, if we're starting to get burnt out or a little grog your cortisol doesn't rise as much. But cortisol should be at its highest peak around 8 a.m. and then it gradually decreases all the way throughout the day till about

Starting point is 01:10:52 4 p.m. where it really starts to fall out. This is interesting because people like, oh I need I start to get tired about 5 p.m. I'm like you should start to get tired. It's not like 5 p.m. It's a lot of success. That's that you should actually that should happen. You don't want to ramp it back up. And so that's that's what we're looking at. And it's at its lowest at actually 9.30pm, which is why some people can feel a second wind once if they don't get to bed by 10pm.

Starting point is 01:11:16 Do you think it's better to work out in the morning then when cortisol is naturally at its highest levels? You think it's smart to combine because, because exercise is going to stimulate that sympathetic nervous system. It should be stimulated in the morning anyway. Do you think that's the best time to work out them? Yeah, that's a great question too, because that's a challenging one.

Starting point is 01:11:35 If you're already overstimulated, you don't want to work out first thing in the morning. If you're someone that overly produces dopamine, like if you're revved, I don't know, and you're already in the verge of just basically burning out, I don't think that you want to do that first thing in the morning to start your day when your cortisol is already going to be at its peak. So for the people that are hard gainers, I'm sorry, hard to lose body fat, they look at

Starting point is 01:11:59 carbs and they gain weight. They're a little bit more sluggish in the first place. Yes, wake up, do workout, potentially on an empty stomach if that works for you. But if you're someone that, again, is very primed in terms of nervous system and you're a hard gainer, you need to eat before the workout as well. You can vary that between anywhere between 30 minutes before, 60 minutes before, easy to digest.

Starting point is 01:12:20 That will help with your cortisol spike during your workout. It won't lead to more of the catabolic states. And that workout should probably be somewhere between like 10 AM and 3 PM during, you've already gotten, you've had a meal in your body, maybe two, you've started to ease into the day, now you can do a workout. And so that's what I've seen work.

Starting point is 01:12:37 And that actually took quite a bit of time for us to kind of figure out in our practices. Yeah, I've seen that as a personal trainer. It was just through my experience training people and myself. Yeah, that speaks to me a lot. That speaks to me to like, now I have some selfish questions to ask you because something that I've just never been able to get to the bottom of is I have psoriasis.

Starting point is 01:12:54 So when you have someone like that, what are your areas you're looking for right out the gates? I mean, vitamin D deficiency, like what also are you probably looking at with someone who has psoriasis? Yeah, that's when we look at that, we're looking at some type of stress as well as gut-based issue. The greatest flare ups we see with psoriasis are based on certain food sensitivities based on the protein of that food, not necessarily the sugar of the food. We look at both short-term food sensitivities and long-term with an IgG food sensitivity

Starting point is 01:13:24 test. The major ones we see, and we get phenomenal results, so just a little advice for anybody with psoriasis. If you have not gotten gluten, which includes wheat and yeast, dairy and egg-free, try that for 21 days, that might be enough for people to get a remarkable reduction in symptoms. At the same time, I recommend running an organic acid test as well as a stool test. You can do the free-density test as you want as well. To look to see if you have some type of intestine-based permeability, if you have yeast overgrowth, bacterial overgrowth, we see a huge

Starting point is 01:13:55 connection between that, and then the same thing is the body's ability to regulate stress. Vitamin D is a huge part of it, but actually taking vitamin D helps, but what we've seen work better, this works, this is in the research as well, is ultraviolet light. So it's the vitamin D, but it's actually the light as well. So people during the summertime that it gets exposed to sunlight, their psoriasis goes down

Starting point is 01:14:15 to a much greater degree. So it's actually, it could be the sulfur, believe it or not, the sun helps to produce vitamin D with cholesterol, but it actually works in another way. The body produces more sulfur, which is naturally detoxifying as well. So it's interesting. So what's interesting to me is that I never had it as a kid.

Starting point is 01:14:32 So I grew up around the lake outside playing all the time. And when I turned 19, I moved to San Jose. I got a job that was indoors, and I literally worked 5 a.m. to like 10 p.m. almost every night at 25 all the sudden Surrices comes out. No idea the connection to sunlight anything at this point I didn't even know what it was took me years before I even figured out what I had certain to show up and I do notice that more than anything if I can discipline myself to get out there and get that daily sunlight that and stress and then also The gluten has been a big one for me too.

Starting point is 01:15:06 So I've eliminated that pretty much in my diet. And if I ever do allow it back in, I always know. In fact, I've now got it down to where, if I like go have like a cheeseburger or something, I know within like hours, I can already feel myself like itching or picking at it right. Right, I'll let her. Yeah, alcohol's a big one as well.

Starting point is 01:15:24 I don't know if you see yours flare up with alcohol. Red wine can be another one that flares it up. That's good to know, because we just went on a trip and I've noticed that it flared up from this last trip but we are all off our diet and when we drink at a party and so that I don't really drink that much and we have been this last month or so. What are the most, I guess, what are some of the standard

Starting point is 01:15:43 labs and tests that you run on people? Like, what are things that people, because I get questions like that all the time, like, I'm gonna go get a bunch of tests done. What should I get done? What should people look at? Yeah, I did a podcast called, like, what to run when you go to doctor's office.

Starting point is 01:15:55 Like, if you pay health insurance, you should get your blood run, right? At least get that out of your health insurance. So, what I said is like, here's what to ask for. And you want a complete blood count, you want a lipid panel, you want, but on top of that like here's what to ask for and you want a complete blood count. You want a lipid panel You want but on top of that you also want to ask for something called homocystine CRP and you want to make sure that they run your hydroxy or your 25-hydroxy vitamin D

Starting point is 01:16:15 Those are things a no longer run that they should be running Because those a lot of people worry about their cholesterol But if you have your cholesterol is a little off But you have good homocyst assisting and you have good CRP, your chance for a heart attack or cardiovascular disease go way down. The issue is when people have high cholesterol, they have high home assisting and they have high CRP,

Starting point is 01:16:34 home assisting being the inflammation of the arteries, CRP, C reactive protein, being systemic-based inflammation, acute-based, then you're literally, you're a disaster rate and it happened, and we need to fix that right away, and that's because you have high cholesterol, probably have some plaque in the arteries, but your arteries are also constricted,

Starting point is 01:16:51 so now there's not a lot of blood flow, that's when we're looking at, so. Oh, that's a bad combination. Really bad, because only half the people who have high cholesterol have a heart attack. The other half don't have high cholesterol, so there's another factor, and that's in anyone, those arteries can be

Starting point is 01:17:05 really squeezed tight. And when they're squeezed tight, if you have any blockages, you're not going to be able to push that blood through. So, homocysteine, CRP, vitamin D, vitamin D is not okay just because the range is 30 to 100. The range truly should be between 50 and 70. Some people are saying more 50 to 80. So that's for overall health. Some people, I don't go to 100 and don't recommend it, because then you're looking at a helper calcemia of the blood because then you're looking at help hypercalcemia of the blood, and you're also potentially turning on the immune system too much. But for those people that are battling cancer,

Starting point is 01:17:31 they might be working with their doctor saying, okay, let's get your vitamin D to 100, maybe more to really ramp up your immune system, but you should be working with that doctor at that. Yeah, low vitamin D levels is very strongly correlated with cancer. You're almost always, right? Don't they always, almost always have low vitamin D levels

Starting point is 01:17:45 on their test end? Yes, but I mean, so we do so much testing. We do thousands of labs. We literally, we ship labs all over the world. And what we found is this, and this is no exaggeration, three out of 100 people are okay with for vitamin D levels. Okay.

Starting point is 01:18:00 Literally three. And that's in summertime. That's it. Like, anytime, and here's why, people go out in the summer and they go out on the weekend. But what about the five other days? That means you're not getting your vitamin D stores. So we see people hover somewhere between, I would say 12 and maybe like 37 for most people.

Starting point is 01:18:17 So they're just like barely there, because some even lab say to 20, but, so that's your blood work, okay? But that's when things are really bad. Remember your blood's called a homeostatic fluid, which means it will rob from other parts of your body to make sure that it's level. But what we do is we, I just,

Starting point is 01:18:32 it's my, I call it my big five. And so what I look at is the organic acids test to look at all of your minerals. And I look at it from a, I love the organic acids test. And I use this because it's urine, so you can do it right at home, but it shows waste. So it actually shows the byproduct of whether you're using these things or not. So it's a great test. And I use this because it's urine, so you can do it right at home, but it shows waste. So it actually shows the byproduct

Starting point is 01:18:46 of whether you're using these things or not. So it's a great test. We look for candied overgrowth, seed if, we look for mitochondrial function, we look at ketones, we look at fatty acids, we look at neurotransmitters, the waste products of those, and we look at all your vitamins,

Starting point is 01:19:00 your B vitamins, your vitamin C, coQ10, biotin, it's an amazing lab test. Then we look at your mineral levels with a hair tissue mineral analysis. You can look at that through other ways as well, but it's an easy one to do at home. We look at heavy metals on that as well, aluminum, mercury, cadmium, arsenic.

Starting point is 01:19:15 We see some pretty wild ones as well on there, and then we do an omega-3 test. So omega-3 test is easily one of the most underrated lab tests out there because cardiovascular disease is the number one killer in the United States. What if we could wipe that out? Well, there's an amazing research study that shows those people with a 9% saturation rate of omega-3s

Starting point is 01:19:34 in their blood have a 90% risk reduction rate for cardiovascular death. We just did that. We just did that. That omega-3 test through everly well. I was just gonna say, I would actually send that out to you guys, you already did it. Yeah, we did it.

Starting point is 01:19:45 Everybody was, I was the only one that was within normal range, but I supplemented with cod liver oil on a regular basis. I think Doug was pretty good at celebrating because of that. That's a great tip because in my practice, the only people, this is really important because that's humans. I believe that we were meant to probably get some type of fatty fish or some type of shellfish or somebody like that in our diet or maybe

Starting point is 01:20:05 just a lot of algae. I don't know, but we were meant to get omega-3s. The reason is that when we look at that, the only people that ever passed that test are those people eating sardines, wild salmon, mackerel, there's one more or trout three to four times a week. If not, if you're not doing that, your omega-6s are gonna be higher than your omega-3s. So, now I wish I remember where I read this, but I read that if you still have a poor diet where you're eating a ton of six and nines,

Starting point is 01:20:35 and not very many threes, but then you're supplementing with the threes that it won't matter, that the sixes and nines are competitive with the threes and it will, in turn, fill up the cell and then the threes don't even, you basically just shitted out. Is that true? Is that... I would love to see more data on that. I actually think that it's a competition,

Starting point is 01:20:52 and I think by adding in more of the threes, you will do a lot better. Okay. And I have seen that play on the lab test. Now, the goal should always be to eliminate as much of the sixes you can, but not to the point where you don't need omega-sixes. I mean, humans are really meant to be somewhere around a three to one ratio of omega-6s to omega-3s. You see that nature, if people are reading,

Starting point is 01:21:12 let's just say like, you know, they're reading grass-fed B for pastured eggs, whatever it is, it's about a three to four to one ratio of scale, like even with grass-fed. So when I look at that, I say, okay, well, you know, that's pretty much what we see in nature. If you look at nuts, well, they're higher in omega-6s. So it's not that we don't need the omega-6s, we do.

Starting point is 01:21:28 We need them actually for cell membrane health. Or essential. Yeah, without a doubt. And so I would say supplementine is going to be a very good thing for most people. Yeah. But reduce the omega-6s. I go with the cloud liver oil, just because it also has a natural vitamin D in it as well. You also mentioned the grass-fed beef.

Starting point is 01:21:45 How important do you think that is to incorporate that and how detrimental is it for us to just get some regular beef from the grocery store? Yeah, there's another controversial topic that I talk about sometimes and I did a show called the mounting evidence against meat and it wasn't actually just against meat. It was against a higher protein diet and that's why I get really worried about people who say they're doing keto, but it's not keto at all. Right, it's old school adkins. You know, and it's like, oh, I'm having just this huge stake.

Starting point is 01:22:13 Like, I don't know how that became keto. Like, I just, I mean, I don't, not, because that's not matching up with the ratios. And if you eat that much protein, it actually spikes blood sugar. So people don't get that, like, and again, like they're not supposed to, because that's not common knowledge.

Starting point is 01:22:25 That's in-depth nutritional biochemistry. When you eat a big serving of red meat, it will most likely spike blood sugar because of the high glycemic load, because of what it does in the body of when it's being processed. And protein in our field is the magic macronutrient. You can't have too much of it, always have a lot of it,

Starting point is 01:22:42 because it builds muscle, so it's always great to have it. And I was there as well, for sure, when I was trying to get, so my frame naturally likes to sit at somewhere around a hundred, let's say, 160, 165 pounds. I like to be 165, 170, for overall health. But at one point when I was getting a natural body building, I said, I'm getting a 200, that's my goal.

Starting point is 01:23:01 And I did it, but to the detriment of my body. I was eating 275 to 325 grams of protein per day. Oh, the cow. And- Constipated. It was just overall, it was not a good scene. I could barely raise my arms about my shoulders, but what I'm saying is you can do whatever you want

Starting point is 01:23:15 with your body, it doesn't always mean it's healthiest. That's all. So that amount of protein, just understand that it's the highest thermogenic effect, highest thermogenic food, which is great, but it's also the most tax in the body. It requires the most amount of water, the most amount of work for the kidneys,

Starting point is 01:23:30 the most amount of work for stomach acid, it's a hard food to break down, and it's the greatest increase of IGF1, insulin growth-like factor. One, great if you're trying to build muscle and be anabolic. I'm not gonna deny that. One of the worst things you could do if you're not trying to grow tumor cells in your body,

Starting point is 01:23:44 cancer cells as well. So we just to be careful with the amount we take in. And it showed if 19% of your diet was less than, 90% of your total diet was 90% or less of protein, you were pretty much good. The lower actually the better in terms of getting cancer, those types of things. But so I just don't want to go overboard, I would say,

Starting point is 01:24:01 in that category. I don't want to say I'd answer your question at all. Yeah, in the context of inflammation, a super high protein is a pro-cancer. If you're really healthy, you're probably okay, but the amounts of protein that are being recommended in our field exceed anything that's ever been studied. I mean, the studies show 0.6 to 0.8 grams per pound of body weight,

Starting point is 01:24:17 but I know people, two grams per pound of body weight, 2.5 grams per pound of body weight, like show me the long-term studies on that. They're pretty much RNON. It's just an insane amount. And I think starting where you just said is the right thing to do. I think if you just for simple math, because we can get into like point eight per kilogram of body weight, I mean, if you just start half your body weight and just say, is that

Starting point is 01:24:37 enough for you to build muscle? If not, add more. Right, right, right. I mean, so we like to really break things down to a foundational level, because some people will need more. If you are naturally, like you're genetically, you put on muscle, you put on size easier, you're not gonna need as much protein. But if you're a little thinner, you might, but at the same time, you probably have poor digestion

Starting point is 01:24:56 or protein, you probably need more carbs as a fuel source. And so we look at all of these things, we really try to make it bio individualized, but everyone has to start somewhere, So you need a foundation. So I had this interesting experience when I, so years ago I started, we're incorporating a vegan day and really what it was was a low protein day. And then I started incorporating the longer fast. And I had this really interesting effect and it's anecdotal, but now I've heard it echoed from other people who've done the same thing.

Starting point is 01:25:25 And that's when I go low protein for like one to three days. I get this rebound effect when I introduce protein later on where I almost feel anabolic, like my body wants to build more muscle. And I did read some literature a long time ago to show that the body can kind of become de-sensitized protein to where the more of it you eat, after a certain period of time, you just end up converting

Starting point is 01:25:44 more of it to glycogen, and less of it you eat, after a certain period of time, you just end up converting more of it to glycogen and less of it's being used for a repairing tissue, is there anything to support what I experience? When I go low protein and then bump the protein up and notice that kind of muscle-blowning effect? This is one of my favorite topics to study in the body transformation field and fitness field, is that I believe everyone's body has some type of set point

Starting point is 01:26:03 theory, or it's called the set point theory, where your body likes to be at a certain weight. Like, my body likes to be about 10 pounds less than I kind of like sit in that, that I am. And if I didn't exercise and I didn't really watch what I ate, like I would lose another 10 pounds or so. So I believe that you're taking a certain amount every day, that's helping you create where you are.

Starting point is 01:26:21 Now, if you didn't exercise, you'd maybe have less muscle or whatever it might be. But if you remove that for a couple of days, and then you put it back in, protein synthesis will most likely increase, you'll be able to uptake more of that because it's trying to maintain where its set point is. Which is why sometimes it's harder for people to, you know, I mean, so someone could be 5,8,

Starting point is 01:26:40 and weigh 150 pounds, it'd be perfectly healthy. Another person, I have a client who's 5,8, they weigh 205 pounds, that was their healthy weight. But they had calves like Easter hams. Like they were a massive... We're just... Yeah, I haven't seen Justin's count down. He's never trained him.

Starting point is 01:26:54 They're twice as big in self-salis. We train him three days a week. So they're just massive. And like, when you look at that, and you can say, oh, okay, that makes sense, for that individual, that's where they're gonna sit at. So I do agree with you and I do believe that your body when it's lacking something or lowers it,

Starting point is 01:27:11 it will increase protein synthesis, which means that, you know, let's say you could absorb 20 grams, 30 grams, 40 grams, of course, it's all arbitrary based on the size of the individual. Great, but if you haven't even got protein for two days and you've taken 50 grams, but you're probably going to absorb almost all of that. That's what it feels like.

Starting point is 01:27:28 It's exactly what it feels like. I wanted to get back to the food intolerance discussion because, so I have a niece and a nephew who have severe food allergies. My nephew is the older one and my niece is the younger one and now my sister has another child who's, you know, he just turned a year old and the approach to food allergies. Now there's a severe food allergy not in tolerance. It's like anaphylactic shock type stuff. But the approach has changed with my nephew who's older it was like because his dad has got severe food allergies and my sister has some you know some

Starting point is 01:28:01 signs of autoimmune issues and so they said away, avoid these particular foods for the first two or three years of life. And that's gonna help prevent these potential food allergies. Well, now with the youngest one, there was, I think it was out of Israel. There was some studies showing, peanut allergies were so low there compared to other parts of other developed nations.

Starting point is 01:28:20 And they went deeper to study why. And there's this like popular, baby food cereal bar that's made with peanut flour and they said, oh, it's potentially this desensitizing effect that's happening, which is preventing these food allergies. And so she's done that now with the youngest one and he's got the least food issues. Oh, I think he has no food issues, whereas his sister and his brother have terrible ones. Now, anecdotally, with food intolerances, I've noticed with myself, I'll avoid a food that I'm intolerant to completely. And then if I introduce even a small amount, much worse effect than I may have had before.

Starting point is 01:28:57 And I'll notice this from clients as well. And I'm wondering if completely avoiding these foods is not allowing me to desensitize my body. In other words, is it a good idea to identify a food intolerance, reduce your intake, but not eliminate it completely? So there's a couple of layers to that question right there. So the anaphylaxis is a true food allergy. Everything else is a food sensitivity.

Starting point is 01:29:21 So an allergy can cause this swelling up up the throat in the anaphylaxis that's life-th life threatening. So what we do is we say for sure avoid those foods and continue to avoid them because most likely that is in a innate and a humoral based response that you're never going to okro. Now in terms of how to help that so that doesn't happen, we've seen very in research on both sides saying that it's actually maybe potentially the most helpful if the mom is eating that food while nursing the child because those antibodies actually will then move through the child's gut because again, this is a problem.

Starting point is 01:29:54 Because the mom doesn't have the allergy, so then the antibodies go through the milk to the child with the food or whatever. Correct. Well, and the other big thing is that a child's gut is permeable, like they're intestines. So when I talk about the gut, I talk about, you have your soft gastro, you have your stomach, and then you have essentially 26 feet or so of intestine, 20 feet or so of a small intestine,

Starting point is 01:30:13 5 to 6 feet of colon. Well, that's supposed to be pretty much closed. That's supposed to be the outside of your body. Only the good stuff after it's broken down amino acids or sugars and smaller fats can it be absorbed through. Well, for the first two years of life, it's purposely permeable, which then allows the mother's immune cells to move through into a child so that the mother gives the child the immunity.

Starting point is 01:30:34 So there's a lot of saying that that's a great way to introduce all these foods to children and if the mother's avoiding it, maybe that there's other issues. One thing I would say is I'm a big advocate of introducing for those first two years of life different types of foods and a varied amount so that the immune system can get used to seeing this. I think a lot of it has to do with gut-based and balances now and the exaggerated response of the immune system for food sensitivities, which is different. So sensitivities is kind of a delayed response. Okay, so now what the food sensitivities is it better to avoid it completely or to have

Starting point is 01:31:09 a little bit of it to maintain, you know, so you don't you desensitize your body a little bit or you don't create a larger response when you do have it later on. So what we do is if there's an IGG food sensitivity and again you can do this right at home with just a finger stick, what happens is this, if you're mildly sensitive, we eliminate for six weeks. If moderate, 12 weeks, and then for severe six months. And the reason is that you're actually trying to hope that because immune cells pass on memory. So we can try to go through a few cycles of it. And then hopefully it's been decent, and it actually works.

Starting point is 01:31:43 It's remarkable. We can see it work. Now, what you were saying though, is feeling worse, sometimes what happens is, you actually decrease inflammation and create a new normal when you've removed the food. When you're always having alcohol, when you're always having these foods,

Starting point is 01:31:57 you have what's called your current normal. Well, if you get healthier and you go to do these things again, you feel sometimes terrible. So the contrast? It's the contrast, I believe. And because you're creating massive inflammation. And that's what I've always thought too.

Starting point is 01:32:08 So I just want to ask you because I wondered if there was something to, you know, avoiding it and potentially causing a stronger reaction versus the desensitizing, you know, effect. So one part that I have to say is there is truth to that in terms of not the protein. Because remember, an allergy or food sensitivity is based on the protein. The immune system is reaction to a protein in the food and all foods are proteins, even a low protein base for like a vegetable. Or looking at is when, just say something like dairy, you actually do start to produce less of the enzyme, the more of it you take in, the less of it you take in.

Starting point is 01:32:42 So there can be a desensitation there. Oh, enzymes. And that has to do with the sugars though. So that actually has to do with lactose and lactase versus the pro team, which is caseean or weigh-in dairy. Oh, that's very different. Much more complex than I thought. Very complex.

Starting point is 01:32:54 So along the lines talking about mothers and breastfeeding. So what are your thoughts on the importance of like a vaginal birth and then also breastfeeding and not using like formulas. This is a hard one because I never want to put any woman down or because there's certain situations in life, right? Like sometimes you have to have a C section. I don't think an elective C section in my opinion would be the best thing to do for the

Starting point is 01:33:17 child, right? Sometimes maybe a woman has to do it. But and again, I'm not certainly not one to throw stones for sure, but a vaginal-based birth is really the only way that that child is going to literally swallow and pick up the bacteria that they need to populate their gut. So that's very, very important. And as the child is going down the birth canal, they're actually squeezed. And that squeezing helps with the initial waking up and movement of that lymphatic system

Starting point is 01:33:41 and the drainage of a lot of toxins. I mean, literally they've been in the womb for what, 40 weeks. So these are things that mother nature intended and we as anyone in the medical field is never smarter than. Like formula could never replace breast milk. Now, I want to put a caveat to that

Starting point is 01:34:00 because a lot of moms are working two jobs and they can't feed their child, but maybe could they pump? I don't know, but formula, here's the issue. It's two things. One is when a child believe it or not, like a baby in infant puts its malt to the mother's breast or it's even close to it, the mother's milk actually changes.

Starting point is 01:34:20 It will change immune cells. It literally adapts to the child and they're seeing this now. Plus, formula could never mimic breast milk because breast milk actually has more sugar up front in the foremilk, and then in the hind milk would be saturated fat. So if you want to figure out the best way to gain weight,

Starting point is 01:34:37 we already know, because it starts at birth. Drink sugar, which spikes your glucose, and brings up insulin, then take in a lot of fat and that will just shuttle it right into the bottom. That's true because babies are never ripped. Yeah, they're not. We're trying to, you know, we're going to my BMI and they're shubby as hell. I've done skin-fold calipers and yeah, they're way off.

Starting point is 01:34:57 Your baby's 40% body fat. I'm like, it's not show ready. And formula is also cow's milk for the most part. And the protein molecules, I heard Ben Greenfield on his show who's an amazing guy as well. And just talks about like humans in my opinion were not meant to drink cow's milk. Goat sheep, the smaller the protein molecule,

Starting point is 01:35:21 the easier to digest. Now can we of course, like we adapt to most things. Is it healthy first? No, it most likely caused a lot of inflammation. Certainly high levels of IGF1, does it matter on the cow type? Sure, to a degree, but the truth is that the protein molecule is large, very large

Starting point is 01:35:36 and much harder for humans to break down. Does it also matter like the ancestry as far as like, you know, where, you know, you're from like, say, I'm northern European and I can, you know, I do better with dairy for instance. Yeah, give them a reason to keep eating dairy. Come on, man. Yes.

Starting point is 01:35:49 Don't be cutting it out. So, well, first I would do a fruit sensitivity test just to check from an IGG perspective, because a lot of people like, well, I don't get any gas, I don't get any bloating, I don't get any of that. That's, that is actually a digestive issue from the sugars versus a long, and there's also an IGE effect, which means you get hives or psoriasis-based flare-up. But an IgG is 24 to 72 hours later and it means that your body just feels a little bit more sluggish, a little bit more inflamed, a little bit more brain fog,

Starting point is 01:36:14 a little bit more, you know, joint-based pain. So what I look at is the IgG test. I like to look at that. The other thing is like, well, sure in the interesting, I do agree with that, to an extent, but it was most likely warm milk that was raw that contained the enzymes to also break down the food. It was not consumed with meals, and it was also not the degree of protein, meaning like what's six grams, eight grams,

Starting point is 01:36:41 you know, in a glass of milk, or is fermented into a yogurt or kefir. And it's also different. So that's all the lactose has been basically cultured out or fermented out. So there are different ways of looking at it. I just think that if you were in the wild, you would not be milking a cow or getting dairy in that way.

Starting point is 01:37:00 I think you can actually be very healthy from eating some raw goat's cheese or raw sheep's cheese if you do enjoy it. Yeah, raw milk is different. I mean, it's got natural bacteria. If you leave raw milk out, it doesn't go sour. It turns into, I think, cream. If you're a rec-pasturized milk can go sour.

Starting point is 01:37:17 And then, what about the homogenation process? Because raw milk separates and homogenization, they like cram these fat cells into these small holes making it suspend itself and milk so it never separates. Does that affect the fat? Does it make it less healthy? All of this is absolutely correct.

Starting point is 01:37:34 And so, you know, what you see in a store is nothing like real milk in the first place. So if someone wants to make the argument, hey, what do you think about having some raw milk that I get from my friend down the street? I can't give the recommendation because technically it's illegal in the United States. It's that gray area, just like technically CBD

Starting point is 01:37:51 is kind of illegal on a federal level. Although we use CBD, we think it's great. We looked at all the research and you can't overdose on it. It's incredible. Raw milk for building back up the gut and for all the healthy enzymes in bacteria. Sure, that can be some benefit. I'm just saying, if you have the option, go for goat or sheep because it's easier to digest.

Starting point is 01:38:10 Now the homogenation is probably, I go back and forth, but it's probably the worst thing you can do to milk. Even if it's grass-fed, even if it's organic, if it's homogenized, you've literally taken a fat molecule and blown it through like the little espresso type thing at Starbucks and whatever it is, right? So you blown up these fat molecules and the only reason we do that is because people in a grocery food store don't want to see the milk and the cream separate. That's the only reason we do it.

Starting point is 01:38:35 And then it makes it that much harder to digest. So milk is just extremely hard to digest and just not ideal for most humans. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know. I actually read some studies I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Starting point is 01:39:04 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, it's illegal, but I do give them the, when they do drink milk, the non-homogenized, you know, virgin work with the cream, et cetera. You just gotta shake it before you serve it. People are so dumb. Well, that, and I always ask people, like, why are you giving your kids milk in the first place? Not you, I just ask the question. And they're like, well, it has calcium in them.

Starting point is 01:39:17 It's like, well, did you know almond milk actually has 30% more calcium? And so then, like, we can get away from that argument. Like, oh, what has vitamin D? I'm like, yeah, but the milk, the vitamin D in milk is vitamin D too. It's like a synthetic, not as great a version, the first place.

Starting point is 01:39:29 So I just ask people, because milk's part of our culture. Like that's all, it's been a part of our culture. And just with the amount of like, air nose and throat issues I see, and kids coming off milk, and then all of a sudden their skin clears up, cradle, cut, clears up,

Starting point is 01:39:41 and they don't have the allergies anymore. I happen to myself, I could breathe through my nose for the very first time in 25 years when I eliminated dairy products. And I'm like, but I still don't wanna give them up because I wanted to have way protein, because I love way protein, because it's very anabolic

Starting point is 01:39:54 and there are a lot of benefits because of, you know, all the different things they can do for your immune system. And so I still didn't wanna give it up, so I'd still drink it. And I'm like, ah, you know what, I think I should probably give this up because I kept testing positive for it as well. And again, you can lab test it. So I don't even guess people like, oh, it's still drinking. And I'm like, ah, you know what? I think I should probably give this up because I kept testing positive for it as well.

Starting point is 01:40:05 And again, you can lab test it. So I don't even guess people like, oh, that's not true. I'm like, just lab test. Like listen, like you can figure it out. We don't need to argue over this. Just lab test. Yeah, it makes Justin fart a lot.

Starting point is 01:40:15 That's about it. He just farted a little bit. Talk him about it. He's not throwing me in or the best. So CBD, let's talk about CBD for a second. You're saying you notice all these benefits from it. How do you guys use CBD in your brain practice? Or should I say hemp extract because however you want to call it?

Starting point is 01:40:28 Yeah, sure. Whatever the best and most legal term is to this date right now. You know, and it's hilarious too. And the only reason that there's just this big issue around it is simply because I believe that they want to pat it somehow and use it pharmaceutical. They already are. Already Epidiallex is about to get, you know, it's about to get approved for use in intractable forms of epilepsy.

Starting point is 01:40:50 And they're studying CBD as an edge of therapy for cancer because the anti-cancer effect. So of course, that's why they're trying to make something that's completely non-toxic illegal. But yeah, back to the question, how do you guys see it affecting people? What are its uses? It's absolute best use that we've seen in our practice, and yes, it works tremendously

Starting point is 01:41:12 well for epilepsy. So, we have to know that, and it can work great. And again, we're not treating diagnosing, no curing in a disease here. But for cancer, but the main reason we use in our practice is as an anti-anxioletic, and that is reducing any type of nervous system anxiety in people. Insomnia, they're always moving, that feed a twitching, like they're just always going. Nervousness before meeting.

Starting point is 01:41:35 And it's life changing for people. You combine that with some magnesium, like a full spectrum magnesium, where it's not just a citrate and you can literally change people's lives and who that have suffered from anxiety. Because maybe the four of us don't have the issue, but there's a lot of people,

Starting point is 01:41:55 they can't speak in a meeting network, they get nervous just having to speak up or in classic students with all of these ADHDs. Why can't we use something in its plant-based form that they've used up to 600 milligrams or more in studies with children? The average dose, so here's an issue though, and you can't use just five milligrams of CBD.

Starting point is 01:42:19 Sure, usually it's just like 20 to 50 or something. Exactly, right. 25 to 50 milligrams with it, ideally right around 40 milligrams, and that's the minimum, that's the, right. 25 to 50 milligrams with it, ideally, right around 40 milligrams. And that's the minimum. That's the starting does. Now for kids, you can do less, but work your way up. And hold it under your tongue if you're doing the liquid

Starting point is 01:42:32 for two minutes to let it absorb through the capillaries. What's good at no? If not, your liver's gonna pass it first. And you're gonna knock off at least a third. Wow, that's good to know, because we work with net and they have a liquid dropper, and they're one of the best ones that we've found But I was just kind of squeezing it in and swallowing it right away. So I need to leave it under there for how long?

Starting point is 01:42:50 Two minutes to allow it to move through the capillaries under your tongue It will go directly in your blood versus your digestive system Just kind of move it in your cheeks anything in your mouth will allow it and then swallow it And you'll get a much you'll actually get a faster benefit as well So when I first started using, I never believed in a million years I would promote CBD, and the reason is that, I didn't wanna be like, oh, okay, you're a naturopath,

Starting point is 01:43:12 and now you're promoting cannabis, like of course you are. It'd be, like, it'd be, grow your hair long, and you know, dread it out, like, listen, like this is one part of the practice. But, so I said, and anything I promote, I always use myself first, and so I promote, I always use myself first.

Starting point is 01:43:25 And so I said, I'm gonna use this for six months. And I use it every day for six months. And the first two weeks, and this is going back to your kind of your points on the body that you used to it, I got amazing benefits right away using it. Like I was in like, felt so calm, so relaxed, I would go home from work,

Starting point is 01:43:44 and I've had a tough day or just some pretty complicated cases, things like that. But I'm a pretty chill guy for the most part, but then my girls were off the wall and we're trying to get them ready for bed. So I would just put that CBD, I'd put two droppers under my tongue, and I'd be feeling great. And then you kind of seem to maintain it.

Starting point is 01:44:01 You don't get that first, like you fork-based state after a little while. However, it's still working. And then I believe that is one after using it for a while. And you get the benefits, then use it cyclically. Because now I don't use it every day, but when I use it now it works again the same way. So, I don't even know what the question was at this point,

Starting point is 01:44:18 but that is basically how we use it and we use it tremendously. Anytime you need calm and peace and relax. Do you notice any changes in any lab tests from people who use it symptomatically? Do you notice any changes in inflammatory markers, IGG antibodies? Because I know that cannabinoids have an immunomodulating effect. Are you noticing anything like that? Like rather than just symptomatically, there's something else that's happening.

Starting point is 01:44:44 So the problem is that we don't give it an isolation, so I can't answer that question. We're always doing it as part of a protocol. So if they come in with anxiety, we're also testing their calcium to magnesium ratios, we're testing the cortisol, we might be using things such as a adrenal suede product that contains like ashwagandha and fossil isserine,

Starting point is 01:45:02 along with magnesium glycinate, along with CBD. And so they look at a broad spectrum. Okay, now we're regulating cortisol, we're regulating the nervous system with magnesium, which stops the sympathetic nervous system over drive, and we're using CBD. The problem is, since there are not gonna be harmful effects, try it.

Starting point is 01:45:19 Like, that's the thing. And the funny thing is, you get all the benefits of marijuana except for two with CBD. And that is the antimicrobial, which they still don't know yet. It's antibacterial, but they don't know if it's antimicrobial. And you don't get the increased appetite that you would get with THC. You also don't get high, which is boring. So you don't get that. But if I get some medical benefits, you know, medical benefits. So

Starting point is 01:45:42 like for cancer, you would actually maybe you want to use cannabis because it increases appetite. Right. But for everything else, CBD will give you the exact same benefit. And for those people, this is an amazing study. So there were over 982 studies at the last time I checked on CBD benefits. And so for the government to try to take that away is just, it makes no sense. There's obviously an agenda. But what they found was this, the people that get paranoid from smoking marijuana. If you gave them CBD, it actually started to block those receptors, the CB1 and CB2 receptors, so they didn't get the paranoia. That's how well it works. So it doesn't have an affinity for the two cannabinoid receptors, at least from where

Starting point is 01:46:19 I read the two, you know, the CB1 or CB2 receptors, but they think it enhances your body's ability to utilize its own endocannabinoids like an anemide. And then here's a the two, you know, the CB one or CBT receptors, but they think it enhances your body's ability to utilize its own endocannabinoids, like an anemide. And then here's a speculation, and I've read a couple articles on this. I don't know if you know anything about this, but I would love to hear your opinion on this, that there may be something known as endocannabinoid

Starting point is 01:46:38 deficiency syndrome, where people simply are not producing maybe because of a high stress life or whatever, they're not producing adequate amounts of their own natural endocannabinoids. These are the people that seem to benefit the most from using cannabis or cannabinoids. Let me say why I agree with that, but I don't have any science behind it. I don't have any data yet on that, but I completely agree. We also don't know fully if the cannabinoids are taking up space on the cell receptors of CB1 and CB2,

Starting point is 01:47:06 or if they're down regulating the other effects within those receptors. But a big thing for me is, and this is why I believe it's correct, someone in the highest-stressed lifestyle is going to really just blow through their vitamin C, their B vitamins, and their glutamine, as well as zinc, right away. Those are first first line defenses.

Starting point is 01:47:26 When your B vitamin levels start to fall, now I'm not talking about getting rickets, right? Or scurvy, like we're talking about like that level, but we're talking about functional deficiencies. You can't buffer stress as well. Well, what happens is this, and a lot of people don't make the correlation, if you don't have enough vitamin B6,

Starting point is 01:47:41 you cannot turn trip to fan to five hydroxy trip to fan, which will eventually become serotonin. And if you can't make serotonin, well, you're not going to have enough ability to make melatonin, which means you can't sleep at night. I believe so there's all these regulates, these pathways, same with thyroid. Look at thyroid. If you are iodine deficient or so iodine deficient, you're not going to make enough thyroid hormone. If you're salineum deficient, you're not not gonna be able to convert T4 to activated T3.

Starting point is 01:48:07 So we're looking at these things, and I'm saying I believe all of it, like I totally agree. Someone could be serotonin deficient, but is it because they're deficient in the things that actually help to produce serotonin? And how do they get there? Well, probably some type of Western-based lifestyle or viruses, heavy metal toxins, autoimmune,

Starting point is 01:48:24 like all sorts of issues as well. Wow. Do you see the Western medicine move in the direction of what you're doing? I mean, how long have you been doing this for? Well, I've been in the health and fitness industry since 2000. Okay.

Starting point is 01:48:39 And I've been doing functional medicine for seven years. Okay, have you seen any trends in, or changes in that last seven years? It feels like, I don't know, we're in this bubble, we talk to a lot of people like yourself. So I might be just, you know, my perception may be just skewed. Does it, do you think it's changing? Because I know Western medicine, I have to advocate for it

Starting point is 01:48:58 just because it takes a long time because of the scientific method. So it takes forever to get to certain points and I have to see the scientific evidence for everything, even though the thousands of years of anecdotal evidence shows you that there's something there. Are we trending in that direction? Or are we gonna see more people like you?

Starting point is 01:49:14 Or are you still like counter? No, I believe that natu-pathic medicine is moving forward. What I get worried about, so I did my post-doctoral work with the Institute for Functional Medicine and brilliant organization as well, but 90% of the people there are MDs. And so what they're doing though is they're looking at natural, let's call this just natural, natural medicine. But they're looking at it from the eye though of conventional medicine still. So when someone comes in with depression or high cholesterol, they're giving them B3, vitamin B3, nice and right? I'm like, God's not really how natural medicine works.

Starting point is 01:49:48 You're giving a vitamin now as a pharmaceutical. They're just treating it the same way. Exactly, but with vitamins. I get worried about that. The other thing is that I get a little bit concerned with is that functional medicine is now becoming synonymous with bioidentical hormones and that's not something I can really get behind for most people. Now explain what bioidentical hormones are for the audience.

Starting point is 01:50:06 So bioendentical hormones would be giving, so the easiest way to look at it would be the act of form of folate in your body, which would be five methyl folate or hydroxy-5 methyl folate. So that's where your body can use. So when we take in folic acid, this is a great example of why you don't want to take a multivitamin from the same place that you buy your toilet paper, like, you know, I have a Costco or something, it's just like not a good idea. It makes my pee really up right now. That folic acid is not going to be converted by anywhere between 33 to

Starting point is 01:50:38 70% of the population to natural folate, which means you can build up and become toxic in the body, very important for women that are looking to get pregnant. So the bidentical hormone would be the end thing that our body can use. So like in birth control, that's not bionoidanical. That's called ethyl estradiol, ethyl estradiol, ethyl estradiol, ethyl estradiol. And it's a synthetic form that they would actually make

Starting point is 01:50:59 in a lab. And so your body doesn't know how to use that. But with the bionoidanical hormone, you're using something as the end product of what that looks like hormone-wise, but you're replacing the progesterone, you're replacing estrogen, or you're replacing testosterone typically. Okay. So, that's what doctors are doing when females come in with estrogen dominance, they're

Starting point is 01:51:18 giving more progesterone. They're giving bio-identical progesterone. Exactly. Yep, or guys come in, and they're giving them, hard to say that you're making bio identical test to austral That's that's a challenging one yeah Yeah, cuz isn't that controlled. I mean how do they do without a doubt? It's controlled and so but here's what happens that You can't confuse your body the issue that got you estrogen dominant or low testosterone in the first place Still there still gonna be there and now you're saying I'm gonna put that back in

Starting point is 01:51:42 What I want to do is say like what say, what are you doing then to your body by giving it two different signals? You have high testosterone or high progesterone, but yet you're still in the same state. What is that? That's weird, very strange. And it might cause some, who knows? Who knows?

Starting point is 01:51:56 Yeah, what kind of problems will happen? Wow. Is estrogen dominance the result of low progesterone or high estrogen or can it be both? Yes, that's funny. That's what happens. We almost maybe 1 out of 30 women we see as actually having a high estrogen. Believe it or not. It's just a low progesterone. It's low progesterone. They come back normal. And the best way to test this is you're gonna run a hormone test

Starting point is 01:52:17 five to seven days before you would get your day one menstruation. And that's gonna be around day 21, day 23 of your cycle. That's gonna be the highest peak in progesterone. So what you want there is your highest level of progesterone and somewhere near your lower level of estrogen. We find almost always nine out of 10 women have some level of estrogen dominance. And so I wouldn't even answer your question back an hour ago, however long I spent,

Starting point is 01:52:39 they get acne on the chin, they get maybe lower mood, they get more bloating, more irritability, they might start to get a little bit of facial hair growth, this is happening for women. And they're like, yeah, that's me, that's me, I'm getting the water attention, more of the cellulite. And the other issue is that when you start to make more,

Starting point is 01:52:56 well, when you start to make more estrogen, you can add more body fat. When you make more body fat, it's a vicious cycle because you start to make more estrogen. And it causes more inflammation. And so you can break it, of course, but it's not the easiest thing to do. How do you typically, okay, I guess is a tough question, right, because it depends on the individual.

Starting point is 01:53:13 But generally speaking, how would you treat a woman who's estrogen dominant? Let's say she has all those symptoms, acne on the chin, water retention, more fat gain than before, maybe in the form of cellulite, which I've also read is sometimes connected to, estrogen dominance. What are some things that they can do,

Starting point is 01:53:30 the average woman can do to help balance that out? So right out of the gates, we believe in two things in my practice. We want to help people get rid of the symptoms in the short term because nobody wants to live with their symptoms. We want to do it naturally though, that won't cause more harm in the long run,

Starting point is 01:53:43 while working on the long-term game I believe most people can get well within 12 to 16 weeks and I've seen this play out over the years I've also seen it in the Ayurvedic literature and other types of literature But then I look at it from modern day science all of your cells in your body turn over every 120 days It's four months it makes sense So what we're looking though in the short term is that that's why like people of blood sugar dysregulation I mean you need to really work for three to four months. You need to change the cell receptors on your cells. You need new cells. In the meantime,

Starting point is 01:54:13 you need to do everything that you can not to keep spiking blood sugar and insulin. Sure. Right? So what we do for women with estrogen dominance, that would could happen with men, it's just at a much subtler level, to be honest, like as much, much subtler level, is that we use dim, diendol methanol, I believe is the... It just changes the form of estrogen that gets converted into liver, I guess, toxic form. Okay. That's correct. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:54:37 And it also helps with the removal of those end estrogen metabolites. Okay. The other thing we want to do is work on constipation. A lot of women are constipated. They don't believe or know that they're supposed to have one to two-bar movements per day. And what happens is if you are constipated, you can absorb, although not as strong,

Starting point is 01:54:52 lesser versions of estrogen through the colon. So we need to make sure that that's corrected. At the same time, we know that most likely they went lower progesterone because they're in an environment whether internal or external, meaning exogenous from without or endogenous from within, of an environment that's causing them to be in a higher stress state.

Starting point is 01:55:10 So we need to look at their cortisol levels, look at their thyroid. So we run a lab called the thyroid adrenal hormone lab. And when we run that, then we can say, oh, look, cortisol's off. Let's do this. Let's calm stress the sympathetic nervous system. Let's then, now, we don't even have to do a lot of work

Starting point is 01:55:24 for the thyroid because we know the thyroid is affected by the HPA axis, which is the adrenals, which then also affects progesterone. So our belief is, we always wanna do more with less. And if we know the underlying root causes, let's work on that kinda like the big rocks theory. And then everything else will fall into place. Now, it hasn't fallen into place by 12 weeks,

Starting point is 01:55:41 then we'll start to give extra for the thyroid. Okay, so someone like that, you wanna reduce your stress, probably not a good idea to have coffee, a lot of coffee every single morning, elevate the cortisol even more. Okay, okay, and you wanna maybe have like a sleep routine, where you turn off the lights, before you go to bed type of deal,

Starting point is 01:55:58 more time to yourself relaxing, and then like you said, the supplementation and constipation. Parasynpathetic nervous system activities that we spoke about, infrared sonodas, sweatout some of those toxins, and the third would be increased cruciferous vegetables. If you increase cruciferous vegetables that are higher in sulfur, sulfurophane, they will help to also mitigate the effects of high

Starting point is 01:56:19 estrogen in the body. And what about the endol III carbonyl that's in those? Is that converted DIM as well in the Christopher's vegetables as well? In the Christopher's vegetables as well. Okay, excellent. So we're getting supplements plus whole food. We're a big believer in the best of functional medicine, orthomolecular medicine, modern supplements combined with the best of whole food.

Starting point is 01:56:37 We use both. Excellent. So this is the protocol for someone who has cellulite also. If it's due to estrogen dominance, I would say. And usually there's a connection with that, but also there's a connection to toxicity and that has to do with plastics in the environment and many other things. So what happens is that can cause water-based retention,

Starting point is 01:56:55 which by the way, plastics then cause what? Higher levels of estrogen. So we're going back to estrogen. All those, you know, estrogen. And what we're doing is we're doing dry brushing and we're doing a lot of sauna as well for people with, and we're doing rebounding for people with cellulite. So we're draining the lymphatic tissue,

Starting point is 01:57:10 we're using self massage or dry brushing to help restructure, because there's an actual structural based dysfunction with cellulite as well. So is it, is it treatable to the point where you can reverse it or? Absolutely. So there's, people talk about genetics, so it's just genetics, yes, there's genetics some women will never get cellular right genetics always play

Starting point is 01:57:29 Oh, they do but you put yourself in the environment knowingly or unknownly a lot of people unknowingly But it was still the environment that allowed for the cell to come Hey, man look I've had clients who have swore to me that like look I used to get fat or all the time and I didn't get cellulite and now if I gain a little bit of Way it turns into cellular like what the hell is going on and it's and typically they'll have those kinds of other symptoms of Estrogen dominance and this is something I've just learned Recently because before it was always like oh, it's nothing you can do about that. Just get leaner It's just your genetics and well and later won't leaner won't do it

Starting point is 01:58:01 You know, so you'll see a lot of I mean leaner helps so sure You won't do it. You'll see a lot of, I mean, leaner helps. We qualify that. Getting leaner helps, so there's less body fat. However, you'll see very lean people still with some cellular. I was like, well, how does that happen? That shouldn't happen. Yes, that's why there's just a deeper picture to this.

Starting point is 01:58:18 But that's why cellular light is not an end state. It's a byproduct of something else that's in balance. We talk about all the time with inflammation. Everyone, it's not as much anymore, which is great so the industry's definitely getting better. But everything before was like, we just need to squalch inflammation. And we don't need to squalch inflammation.

Starting point is 01:58:35 We need to figure out what's causing the inflammation because inflammation is not a disease to be dealt with. It's a natural, it's also natural in the body. You completely eliminate inflammation, you're screwed. Like that's not good for you either. So, are there things that you do because you've seen so much research, but it just hasn't quite been proven yet,

Starting point is 01:58:54 but you're already taking some proactive precaution. There are things in your life that you would be controversial. Yes, yes. And so back, I wanna hear what they are. So back in the, you know, back, and we still do fitness to this day, but it's just kind of like one component, you know,

Starting point is 01:59:08 but I mean, I'm just a huge proponent of personal trainers and personal training in general. I think it's one of the best careers in the world. I also believe that you have the potentially the greatest opportunity to change lives because you're seeing people multiple times per week. I mean, who else does that? And you work, you can work on nutrition, exercise, sleep, lifestyle.

Starting point is 01:59:25 I mean, you can get so much done. But back in the day, we were doing way before tabata's and those types of things. We were doing interval-based training with resistance-based exercise so that people wouldn't have to do the cardio. And we would keep it going for more than 20 seconds. It only now is it being played out

Starting point is 01:59:41 that you can actually get the benefits of interval-based training for between 90 seconds and three minutes as long as you double that and work rest. Now is it being played out, that you can actually get the benefits of interval-based training for between 90 seconds and three minutes, as long as you double that and work rest. So we were doing the intervals 20 seconds on, 30 seconds, I mean, 20 seconds with double that and rest, but then we were saying, this isn't working. Meaning like, people need four to five times the rest period of the work period. Meaning if you do a 30 second sprint, you can't recover in 30 seconds or 60 seconds, it's not for an adequate quit interval,

Starting point is 02:00:08 but that's what people were showing in the research. I'm like, I just don't see it play out in real life. So we looked at that, we said, okay, no, we're going all out for 20 seconds or 30 seconds, and that's the max. People really can't do a 60 second sprint. That is like, I mean, if you've ever run around with that a sprint man, at 60 seconds,

Starting point is 02:00:23 you're dying at that. Like you might need, I've ever doing it in track at high school. And I wasn't recovered in another minute from that. So anyway, so that's what we're doing back then. Another example is today is we are not, we are, we are doing a smoothie for breakfast.

Starting point is 02:00:38 We are doing liquid before lunch. So all, and I, that includes oatmeal, like a, include a sweet potato. It's something easy to digest. So here's what I looked at, nowhere else in an ancient base times where they do it at heavy breakfast. So now we're skipping breakfast,

Starting point is 02:00:54 but I'm like, yeah, but skipping breakfast isn't working because it does not help the blunt cortisol and it's starting to slow thyroid and a lot of women. So I'm like, what if we did something that was easy to digest that wasn't gonna necessarily spike blood sugar levels that they could drink over the period of an hour or 90 minutes, so it'd be almost like time released nutrition that would take

Starting point is 02:01:14 very little digestive energy. Because when people were eating like the bacon and the eggs and all, like even just like, let's say like the pretend keto, that takes a tremendous amount of energy from your body. So 30% of all the energy in a day basically goes towards digestion. And if you get that back because you put easy to digest

Starting point is 02:01:30 foods in your stomach, well, then that would give you a lot more energy back. And it would give you the liquid-based nutrition because remember, all the food you put in your body has to be turned into a liquid by your digestive system. What if we already did that? So we learned this by actually going through with people with digestive-based issues.

Starting point is 02:01:44 That's how we were learning this. The other part to that was that we were getting the benefits that a lot of people were getting with fasting because basically a lot of people felt great when they were fasted because they got to keep all of their energy because they have to break down any food. So we got tremendous benefits from doing that and the way again that I learned that was people

Starting point is 02:02:01 used to do soup for breakfast and a lot of ancient-based cultures. Americans are not going to eat soup for breakfast, but they'll do a smoothie. And so this we did. Now there's protein in this smoothie. Typically we do vegan-based, and then there's some fruit in there. How much fruit? Well, no fruit for someone that has blood sugar issues in the beginning. Then eventually maybe it's one cup of fruit.

Starting point is 02:02:20 Maybe it's two cups of fruit. It depends on the individual, what's their tolerance to carbohydrates. And you can figure that out by first starting low. That's why we do three weeks low carbon. Then we actually want people to eat as many good carbs as they can. That includes fruits and vegetables. The goal is to eat as many good quality foods

Starting point is 02:02:35 as you can that are lower calorie, but so high vocal oric, but nutrient dense, exactly. Thank you. And that's the goal. So the goal is not to deprive it's to give more But we have to figure out the person so that was a really long way of saying we'd like to do liquid before Like easy digest foods and it's been life-transforming for in our practice I have a question. I have a question about

Starting point is 02:02:56 creatine I easily probably one of the most studied Urgogenic Supplements that's out there's I don't know hundreds of done on it. And they're finding now that it improves cognitive function and some people, it's got some antioxidant properties. But I've also read that it has some effects on maybe DHT levels in man and can do things like, you know, affect the lighty cells and the testes.

Starting point is 02:03:17 And this is all like not super conclusive evidence. How do you feel about Cray team as a supplement? Is it something you think everybody should take or is it something that only certain individuals should take? Yeah, that's gonna be a bio-individualized one, for sure, as well. I do believe since it, and there's no doubt creatine work. So people like, I don't believe in creatines. Hard to not believe in something with that much research behind it.

Starting point is 02:03:39 And now, do some people have absorption issues with it? Yes, that's a different story. But when we look at it, well, we're getting it from food, our body's gonna need creatine anyways. I do believe that since it's an anabolic substance, meaning it's pro-growth, that it could lead to a conversion from testosterone to dihydrotestosterone,

Starting point is 02:03:58 and anything that's anabolic will affect the prostate as well. So when we look at those, like that's like the death area for men, right? It was just like, oh, the prostate, it. So when we look at those, that's like the death area there for men, right? It was just like, oh, the prostate. It's just same with prostate cancer, breast cancer, the two thing. Anything higher in estrogen, and anything that's gonna convert from testosterone

Starting point is 02:04:14 to DHT will affect breast tissue and prostate cancer. So I do believe that is that potential. I just don't think it's gonna happen every guy. Who it happens to? Hard to say. And also, what in combination with what What else you're doing right a lot of like heavy meat in the diet red meats very anabolic based foods really hard training like anything That's gonna amp up the body put it more of an anabolic now

Starting point is 02:04:34 I have if if when if there's a genetic role for prostate cancer or prostate enlargement I should say I definitely have it. It's on both sides of my family, all the men in my family have prostate enlargement issues. My grandfather had prostate cancer, but it was a very mild form. But other than that, it's like prostate enlargement up and down on both sides. What are the things that I can do to help prevent that from happening to me?

Starting point is 02:04:57 So over the age of 40, most guys have some type of prostate cancer based cells in their body. Over the age of 70, every male has them. So now we're looking at how quickly is the proliferation, which luckily is slower for prostate based cancer. What you want to do is you want to make sure that you do not have any heavy metals in the body.

Starting point is 02:05:18 Aluminum, they seem to have an affinity for the prostate, just like breast tissue as well. And what you'll also want to make sure is that you are eating a lot of those cruciferous base vegetables that we talked about. So check, I would also do a quarterly-based liver detox. What does that mean? Just simply getting more phase one

Starting point is 02:05:36 and phase two nutrients in your body with a longer fast so we can kill some of those cancer cells. So that's absolutely recommended. And then the other part, so there are great natural-based substance. So again, I'm a huge believer in orthomolecular medicine, which is basically looking at vitamins and minerals and all those great things, combined with the best of herbal-based medicine that we've known for thousands of years. Well, stinging nettles and pyjeeim are absolutely tremendous for the prostate and prostate inflammation.

Starting point is 02:06:02 Zinc is the number one for prostate-based issues. So I'd make sure that you're not deficient in zinc. Anywhere from 15 milligrams to 50 milligrams a day of a zinc picolinate or some other great form of a killated-based form of zinc, as well as doing things, maybe like a prostate support-based supplement that has natural herbs in it already that will help with the prostate-based issues.

Starting point is 02:06:23 Some guys just get prostititis, which is inflammation of the prostate, then they have poor urinary flow, maybe some erectile dysfunction-based issues. Those are your first signs, so it absolutely look at that first. Inflammation comes first for the cancer. Stinging nettle and the other one, Pygum, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:06:37 I can never pronounce it. I know how to spell it. Is that something you would take regularly or is that something you take cyclically? You would take it regularly, and again, I'm not a huge fan. There's a few supplements that I recommend, kind of foundational based supplements,

Starting point is 02:06:51 but regularly, I don't like to do anything unless needed. But after the age, let's say, of 50, you say, yes, but everyone on my family had this, so it makes sense for me to take it. And I would say, I totally agree with that statement. Yes. What are some of the regular supplements that you would recommend?

Starting point is 02:07:09 I just think that everybody needs a failsafe. So I've studied organic foods and conventional based foods. People are all over saying, like, there's no need to eat organic. You're missing the point. Like, you're just missing the point that it has nothing to do with the macros. Yes, an almond has somewhere around five, six grams

Starting point is 02:07:25 of protein, 13 grams of fat, six to eight grams or so of carbs, whether it's organic or conventional. Like, that's what it is in a quarter of a drop. Like, it doesn't change the molecular structure. Where you're looking at an organic is that you hope that the soil contains more of the nutrients that's then uptaken into the food. Like, that's how it happens.

Starting point is 02:07:43 And then also, you don't have all of the glyphosate based sprays on it. And glyphosate on conventional based food has been shown to actually potential. Now, again, there is a case that was just awarded or close to $200 million. I never saw that. I mean, like, that's proven now. It causes cancer. But the other thing is, no one's talking about that.

Starting point is 02:08:00 It's an antibacterial. It's an antipesticide. Well, your gut has a hundred trillion of those pests in there, right? And so that glyphosate over time very well may start to cause a dysfunction in that microbiome, which affects your immune system, and then who knows what else it causes. Yeah, it doesn't interrupt the, is it the shikamadi pathway, and the bacteria have that pathway, don't they? I actually, I don't know that that's not. I might have just made that word up. I like that.

Starting point is 02:08:25 That's gonna be on the checklist. Shake them out. Shake them out. Yeah, we'll see what happens. So I don't know about that. But getting back to the so foundational. But even organic based foods, since the 1960s, there'll be anywhere from 13% to something

Starting point is 02:08:38 percent less of the minerals, potentially that they have before. So I do like a functional medicine multivitamin. How do you know if it's functional medicine based? Well, it's third party tested and it contains the methylated form of the B vitamins so like the methylcoballamine free B12, the methyl folate for your folic acid.

Starting point is 02:08:55 It's just that's a smart way to do it. Like your B6 is a paradoxical five-phosphate. It's just those the absorbable forms that are gonna build up and become toxic. So I recommend that, not super high dose, it's just a normal overall multi, and I recommend that most people supplement once they've rebounds they're gutted.

Starting point is 02:09:11 Now remember, a probiotic is not for everyone. If you have bloating, you have gas, you have acid reflux, you have burping, you most likely of some type of overgrowth, figure out what it is, eliminate first, because if you have small intestine bacterial overgrowth, and you add more bacteria to a gut that's full of bacteria You're making it worse. Yeah, you're making it worse

Starting point is 02:09:27 So get your gut healthy then you can use a multi-strain probiotic. I'm a big believer in some type of fruit and vegetable blend so that most people eat vegetables and you should I believe that most people should eat Seven and nine servings or seven nine cups of vegetables every day a lot of vegetables It's a lot right but we look at is this two cups of vegetables every day. A lot. A lot, right? But we look at it as this. Two cups of berries in the smoothie, or you can do some greens if you want. Two to three cups with lunch,

Starting point is 02:09:50 two to three cups of dinner. You're good. It can be cooked if you have trouble digesting raw ones. But for most people, my go-to everyday at lunch is broccoli. So I don't have a varied selection all the time. I just don't have access to it. So I like a greens base as well to give you a varied selection as well. I think that's important.

Starting point is 02:10:08 And then just a couple others, most people would do well at Magnesia, but just have to run in as many labs as I have. Vitamin D is a must, even for people in California, even for people getting sunlight. In Boston, we certainly don't get it for eight months of the year. And Omega 3 is for most people. Not a super high dose, but a dose to be able to get you adequate. You've mentioned heavy metals a few times and you've also mentioned how saunas

Starting point is 02:10:32 help the body eliminate heavy metals. Would you say that that's one of the best ways independent of or besides eliminating what meet, the way you're getting those heavy metals in the first place? Would you say that's one of the best single ways of getting your body to detoxify itself from metals or other methods? So I love the heavy metal sauna. I mean, it's the sauna for the heavy metals, and we work with a lot of people.

Starting point is 02:10:54 Yeah, cool. And I was just about to say, we recommend people get the Mercury of Malgum's, the silver malgum's taken out of their mouth, but only by biological dentist, not your regular dentist. Oh, you don't want to spray that shit through your mouth, man, that's good. They'll just cut it in half. They'll literally cut it in half with no masks already, they can just take it out of your mouth.

Starting point is 02:11:11 And it passes you when a biohazard container makes no sense. But I was saying, that would be great if you could actually do an in and in for a sauna. So we do a lot of those recommendations. And, but I did a podcast on this, and it was 42 days. Scientific research shows that in 90 to 93% of all iron, lead and heavy metals

Starting point is 02:11:31 could be removed from the body in 42 days. If you're using crack cell clorella, vitamin C and cilantro. Absolutely amazing. Ooh, what? And that eliminates 90%. And we did this. We did this for 40. Please just take it.

Starting point is 02:11:44 Take it two to three times per day, correct? So, Clorella, cilantro, and vitamin C. And vitamin C. We use one more, we added, this is not in the literature, but we added it because there's these things called biofilms that develop in the gut. And those biofilms have a large amount of heavy metals. You have to dissolve those biofilms

Starting point is 02:12:01 to actually release the heavy metals and access a lot of times that back to overgrowth, the parasites, whatever it might be. So, but those biofilm disruptors are easy. Those are just high level proteases, like proteate, protelect enzymes to break it down. Wow, wow. But the sauna also helps with that. So, but so that's the thing is like, a lot of times we just try to heal a person with one modality when we have so many great modalities that work great together. Their synergists is like like my former medicine's better

Starting point is 02:12:26 than your former medicine. I'm like, why don't we just relax? We do what's best for the patient or the client, whatever's best for them. And so doing it in Fred Sanna, yes, getting the mercury malgum's taken out of your mouth and by a biological dentist, a-i-a-o-m.org, I believe, is the association

Starting point is 02:12:44 that will show you if the dentist is the person that can do it. It's a special certification. They have special equipment. And then doing the inference on us. So like use them all. They would all be great. Excellent.

Starting point is 02:12:53 Wow. Well, this has been very informative. I'm not gonna listen to this. Yeah, this one. Anybody ever tell you look like Michael Corleone from the Godfather? Never heard that before. Yeah, bro.

Starting point is 02:13:01 You got to want a part two especially. Could it be because I'm jet lagging? Oh, I'm like, hey, what are we saying right now? What. Could it be because I'm jet lagging the whole day? Yeah, I'm saying right now. What are you talking about? How long have we been chatting? I don't know. It's been a good, it's been a minute. Yeah, it's been a long podcast.

Starting point is 02:13:11 No, very informative. I've really appreciated you answering all of our questions and very informative podcasts. I know a lot of our audiences can enjoy this podcast quite a bit, so. Definitely. Yeah, it's been a pleasure chatting with you guys, but the other thing is too,

Starting point is 02:13:24 your message is exactly what we're looking for. I mean, you guys are bringing in people from different viewpoints that aren't the norm, and so I really appreciate that you're having me and then just being able to share my message. Yeah, definitely. Our goal really is to elevate the entire fitness and health industry so that it can become the solution

Starting point is 02:13:41 for the health problems that are plaguing western society i think you're a part of that and so the more you can get your voice out the better and the better we can drown out all the other bullshit that uh... it's probably that's a good idea excellent thank you thank you for listening to mine pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health

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