Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 878: How to Train During Cuts & Bulks, the Most Important Muscle for Peak Athletic Performance, Why Trainers Fail & MORE

Episode Date: October 12, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about if a 17 year old should bulk or cut, the most appropriate rep ranges or workout phases for cuts and bulks, the most important muscle or muscle group for peak athletic performance and if it is common to have clients who struggle to make progress compared to the transformations we see on social media. Mind Pump custom chairs and mics: Coming Soon! (6:33) @thetraininghour shout out! Philosophical, Psychological, And Practical Posts For Life, Fitness, And Health. (7:35) More to Bruce Lee than just his movies…Sal gets nerdy on his idol. (8:30) Sal’s wardrobe kryptonite for Taylor…Vuori saves the day! (16:45) When you drink milk and you know you shouldn’t…Four Sigmatic to the rescue! (20:40) Does size really  matter when it comes to fertility? New study. (27:32) Entering new era of psychotherapy. Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use (It’s Not Just Your Imagination). (30:38) A Banksy painting sold at auction for $1.4 million — then automatically shredded itself. (36:27) Why Campbell Soup Is Selling Its Fresh Business. (39:08) The guys speculate on why Bodybuilding.com is taking a nosedive and slowing bleeding out vs. their competition. (42:10) The major gap between what is “good” and what is “viral.” Amazon, Netflix, Hulu the ever changing media. (51:40) #Quah question #1 – What should a 17 year old do, bulk or cut? (58:55) #Quah question #2 – What would be the most appropriate rep ranges or workout phases for cuts and bulks? (1:11:23) #Quah question #3 – What would you say is the most important muscle or muscle group for peak athletic performance? (1:18:55) #Quah question #4 - Is it common to have clients who struggle to make progress compared to the transformations we see on social media? (1:26:35) People Mentioned: Jessica Rothenberg (@thetraininghour)  Instagram Flex Wheeler ® | Official (@officialflexwheeler)  Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram Craig Capurso (@craigcapurso)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Jeff Seid (@jeff_seid)  Instagram Ben Pakulski ® | Official (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Enzo Coglitore (@enzocog)  Instagram Tay (@tayvalenz)  Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: Vuori Clothing  **25% off order** Four Sigmatic **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Mind Pump Episode 855: Flex Wheeler Workout Wear for Style Champs The best workout clothes for men - Business Insider Mind Pump Episode 875: Stephen Cabral Size really does matter when it comes to fertility Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use (It’s Not Just Your Imagination) Banksy painting 'self-destructs' moments after being sold for $1.4 million at auction For Campbell Soup, Fresh Foods Prove a Struggle Mind Pump Episode 874: Hypertrophy Training While Dieting, How to Rest Your CNS, the Possibility of a Mind Pump Personal Trainer Network & MORE Kaged Muscle Supplements - Innovation at Work Hold the Dark | Netflix Official Site The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel Beehive Health & Nutrition MAPS Fitness Products Mind Pump FREE Resources – Everything You Need to Know to Reach Your Fitness Goals Thrive Market **Free 1 month membership, 25% off first order**

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Mind, mind, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, you do the bill cause me Telling book cause me every time And today's episode the boys and I talk about For the first 52 minutes we get into Sal Our usual introductory conversation. Thanks Adam usual. I'm giving you an assistant But usual we started out by talking about Bruce Lee,

the martial artist and the philosopher. There's a lot more to him than just his movies. I'm a huge fan. Yeah. I nerded out on him. Then we talked about the changing mind pump style. Apparently my clothes are starting to look a lot better. Thanks to Viori.

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Then we talk about bodybuilding.com and Amazon is Amazon destroying them. Think so. Then we talk about a series on Netflix called Hold the Dark and another series on Prime called the Marvelous Miss Maisal, both recommendations from Justin and Adam. And then you know what, Justin? What? What's that? We get into the questions. Oh, yeah. First question was, what should a 17 year old do? Should, what's that? We get into the questions. Oh, yeah. First question was, what should a 17-year-old do? Should they get into a bulk or get into a cut? Or should they do both simultaneously?

Is that possible? Oh, I think so. Next question was, what would be the most appropriate rep ranges or workout phases for cutting and for bulking? Lots of bulk cut talk this time, huh? Yep, Justin loves that. Yeah. or work out phases for cutting and for bulking. Lots of bulk cut talk this time, huh? Yep, Justin loves that. Yeah.

Next question was, what would we say is the most important muscle or muscle group for peak athletic performance? So if you want to be a masterful athlete, if you want to move like an explosive bomb, it's not the bicep, which muscles should you focus the most on and Finally last question this individual has been working out a big box gym for six years and see his personal trainers We've been training clients for a very long time who don't seem to be making that much progress

Who's the blame the trainer or the client and is anyone to blame should we be angry about this? And we go it we go into this question actually quite deep when we talk about what your job really is as a personal trainer. If you wanna be a successful long-term personal trainer, you will not wanna miss that part of this episode. Great discussion right here. Also, this month, Maps aesthetic,

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Again, mapsblack.com, use the code black50 for 50% 50% off also if you want to check out our other maps programs or our bundles Go to maps fitness products calm Do you guys remember the the chair at the end? I don't remember which Conan it was but at the end of it he's sitting in that big King chair a game of thrones chair. Yeah, and he's got a chair. I want it. Do you like a game of thrones chair. Yeah, and he's got like a chair. Do you have like a lion head? Is that the one you're gonna like buy for your seat near in the studio? Please. Somebody every time.

We talked about this a long time ago when we think we moved from the last studios. I really want us to have our own custom Mike and our own custom chair. Yeah. Like you could have that one. I'll have the game of thrones one. The game of thrones.

That's gonna be uncomfortable. I don't care dude. So cool as fuck. I want a float tank. I want a podcast that a float tank. We can't see you then. Hey, I like to see you. I like to see your pretty face. I'm floating. Nobody wants to see my pretty face. That's why I podcast at them. Yeah, the face for radio. I would prefer to have a face for radio than a mind for TV or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, dude, I got a quote for you guys that my girl just posted. I think it's she's been on fire lately. She's dude. Somebody must have ruffled her feathers because she's on one. She's on one, dude. Her page is what is she? What's her page? The training hour. You don't read some page.

So you could read some of the, just get in trouble there. I know, I know her as Jessica. Yeah. Anyway, so her, this is a really good quote, I never read this quote before, I've never heard it. Nobody is superior, nobody is inferior, but nobody is equal either.

People are simply unique, incomparable. You are you, I am I, fucking brilliant. Wow. I've never heard that stated so eloquently. No, I bet you Dr. Seuss has a good quote on that too. Yeah, red fish, you fish. Yes, I bet you fish. I bet you don't.

I'm gonna Google that right now. You guys talk. Dr. Seuss? I love Dr. Seuss too. Let's pull up some more quotes. Arguably the best philosopher of all time in my opinion. He is. So I have another quote.

Tell me this doesn't apply to our philosophy around fitness. And then if you guys can guess, let's see who's going to, I bet Justin's going to pick it up. But sometimes Adam's a surprise. Sometimes he knows what's going on. Who's, let's see who gets, who knows who said this quote, Doug, you can't play because you're going to guess right away. You ready?

It's not old, away. You ready? It's that old one. You ready? And now this quote totally encompasses our philosophy around fitness. Pay attention at him. I'm gonna say. Okay, don't read Dr. Susan.

Sorry. You got all. You got to let do it for a second. I love Dr. Susan. Yeah, all right, here we go. I'm gonna be here. Don't get set into one form. Adapt it and build your own and let it grow.

Be like water. Empty your mind. and let it grow. Be like water. Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.

Oh my god. God, you guys are, you guys don't know who that is That's Bruce Lee. Oh Water. Yeah, that's like one of his most famous quotes ever now. Bruce Lee was I wasn't as big of a Bruce Lee fan as you guys Oh, that's just because I think I'm younger because you're younger I thought like Bruce Lee movies came out when I was a scary younger. Yeah, I wasn't a kid You never watched the inner of the dragon. No, I did super inspired. No, no, no, was a carry younger. Yeah, I wasn't a kid. You never watch the inner of the dragon No, I did super inspired. No, no, no, no, I did I watched but I didn't want I mean, I think South watched a lot of him

So yeah, so I that's how he said water. I I loved watching Bruce Lee films, but here's there's more to Bruce Lee than his movie So I watched by the way, I've been trying to message his daughter I would love for her to get on the show so we could talk to her about. Oh, that'd be a good one. Actually, let's enlist the fans. I mean, we got fans for a reason, right? Yeah.

Do me a favor. Go harass. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, was a kid, me and my cousin used to watch Kung Fu films all the time. And one of the things that we would do is every once in a while we'd sleep over my grandparents' house. And my grandfather's thing was he did two things for us. At night, he would drive us to the video store. Kids, this is back when you used to have to go to a video store to rent videos. We went to his place called One Hour Photo Drive Up.

I don't know if you guys remember that part. Somebody did a post. I saw one of our listeners did a post on a blockbuster meme. And it was like some of you will never know what Friday nights look like. Yeah, exactly. It was a whole thing. It was walking through like all these titles. No, it was fun. Was that like a date?

For me, it was like a date night thing. I don't know how many dates I had taken on a Friday night to go. And part of the date was like picking a movie up in the air. You know right away if it's a chickie date. Yep, you're totally by the way, the types of movies shoes look like one of the, I don't know how many times.

Ooh, that was your choice. Yeah. Oh God. So my grandfather would take us to the video store and we would always want the Kung Fu films and we'd pick them all out. I've seen them all. I've seen all the drunken master and freaking, you know, weird shit and then of course Bruce Lee. So me and him

were into Bruce Lee and then I started reading the towel of G. Kundoh. This is the philosophy of the martial art that Bruce Lee wrote. Now I bought the book thinking I'm gonna learn fucking G. Kundoh, and I'm gonna learn how to fight. It's actually a philosophy book, morning. From a book. Yeah, he's a kid, bro. He was through pictures, like images, to practice in the back door.

I was more of a video guy. Yeah, really? Yeah. So, no, he was a philosopher and his, very cool. His philosophies around training in martial arts and life were so radically different. People don't realize how different he was. Like the stuff he was talking about.

Remember in those days when he came to San Francisco to teach Kung Fu, it was a blast for me. Yeah, dude. You weren't supposed to teach white people or anybody, but Chinese people weren't supposed to learn white people or anybody but you know, you know Chinese people weren't supposed to learn Well, not he incorporated other Methods, you know and started to do like the real mixed martial arts He was like one of the first he was the first one. Yeah, you watch you know that you know that that classic how he holds his hands up And he like hits his he does his nose with his thumb like he does that thing and he bounces around right He learned how to dance from boxers

So he would watch boxers fight. And he loved how boxers were so fluid in the way they moved. Because when he learned Kung Fu, it was very rigid. There were forms and styles. And he used to say like, I don't meant to. I don't follow a style. You know, he goes, I don't hit, it just hits on its own. Typical deal. That was his philosophies.

Really cool stuff. I feel like we're kind of like the Bruce Lee of podcasting. That's my point. That was his philosophies. Really cool stuff. I feel like we're kind of like the the Bruce Lee of podcasting it. That's my point. That's the exact opposite. Bruce Lee of fitness. Yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah, we're just we're water. Yeah. We're like water. We're water. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so no, that's why he was so awesome. So I know a lot of people know his movies, but the dude was he was a brilliant philosopher. So I wanted to tell you, you did bodybuilding, you know, who's super into bodybuilding, you got that right? I said, I didn't know all this stuff about him. I felt like, can you please give me like a list

of either books or movie rentals that I couldn't get in Liston and actually watch so I can get caught up on the Bruce Lee. No, I watch Bruce Lee with movie. I've done that. I've watched the end of the dragon and his other, like he's got two or three like the big ones right there.

I think everybody's seen, I've seen those two, but I need the deeper shit. He was totally into bodybuilding too. He got trained and bought these body because he believed in developing his muscles and his body and you know his movies inspired bodybuilders for years. Flex Wheeler took out into bodybuilding because Bruce Lee. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, because Bruce Lee and his movies he would do the slats bread. Remember he and you hear his bones crack like and you do this thing. And Bruce and flex. Remember flex was a martial that. Yeah, because Bruce Lee in his movies, he would do the Slat Spread. Remember when he, and you hear his bones crack, like, and you do this thing. And Bruce, and flex, remember Flex was a martial artist.

Yeah. So he watched that and that's right. Well, he was one of the ones that, after he would get it in a lift, he would actually like, irradiate and do this like, full body tension poses and stuff, which was like, you know, brilliant. Bro, you're so into tension. That was Bruce Lee's. He was like, the guy, yeah, for me, I always reference him as one of the masks.

So he wasn't the strongest dude in the world, but he had this ridiculous static strength of the program. But he was because he was like using all of his sensuality. Well, he was really strong. I mean, it was only like a buck 40, right? It was super high. He just knew how to channel all his force in one direction. He would be able to hold, I believe,

hope I'm saying this right. This is from people who wrote about him, 120 pound dumbbell at arm's length. Yeah. And you would roll. Just tension. Yeah, that's great. Just straight tension.

Yeah. He also had a 200 pound heavy bag that he could kick and swing that thing so that it hit the, hit the ceiling. Yeah. So kick it with so much force that it would swing and hit the ceiling and people would just like trip out over. Wow. Yeah, isn't that cool? These aren't urbanists though. No, that's real. No, the one that I'm wondering.

I remember one time he did a non-chuck ping pong video that went, yeah, right? That's fake, but it's like, it's so depressing because everybody, yeah, totally like, puts them up there. No, he was mythical beast. He was still human. And if he fought in the UFC, he'd get his ass kicked. Exactly, I know that's the... But he was a brilliant, unpopular, you know, reality.

When I was a kid, I thought he could beat up. I was like, Bruce Lee could take on other people. No problem. You think he's in here? Kill anybody. No, but he's an ice-a-thought-jong club that day. I'll tell you what, Chuck Norris could kick some ass though. Chuck Norris, what, so,

Chuck was legit. So Chuck Norris was in the, which one was it, return of the dragon? Return of the dragon. That was the epic showdown at the end. Yeah, did you ever watch that at him? Yeah, which one was it, return of the dragon? Return of the dragon. That was the epic showdown at the end. Yeah, did you ever watch that, Adam? Yeah, I've seen it. In the arena.

That's one of the main three, right? Enter the dragon, return of the dragon. What's the other one? There's three like, there's the Chinese connection. Nope, not that one. Game of death. Game of death. There's one more that I know I've seen.

I don't know the name though. Oh, God, I can't believe I can't remember. I don't know, but I remember the green hornet. And it was stupid because he was sidekick. Who just showed everybody's ass. He was like, why is he the sidekick? Yeah, he should be the main guy. He, uh, he, in the, in the one where he fights Chuck Norris, remember when he like grabs his chest and then pulls his hand off.

Rips off his chest hair. His chair is a hairy beast. So Chuck Norris was, there was an interview that I read in Black Belt magazine years ago, probably in 1994. And he wrote about sparring with Bruce Lee in between the scenes. And he's like, yeah, he goes, he was as fast as everybody said he was. He was pretty, pretty much. Remember, Chuck Norse of the time was like a karate champion.

Yeah. He was a badass. International karate champion. Yeah, international karate champion. So that was pretty, pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. You know, yesterday, I, not to switch subjects, I was trying to tell you that yesterday, I met with Taylor, and we were just kind of going over the podcast, Heart Event, and man, I think Doug got like a thousand plus photos.

Taylor got like a thousand, two thousand photos, Eli, Anna, like they all, I mean, we must have five thousand plus photos we went through. And Taylor was Complimenting like how handsome you guys looked. He's like man. I was just I was so handsome We looked or how handsome you look? No, like he didn't throw you in there. No, he doesn't he'd never compliments me Wow, he doesn't you're right there. Yeah, no, I know He's going through all the photos and he's looking at just how well dressed everybody is and is going like, oh man Look how sharp the boys look and everything. I'm like, well, you know, it helps when you dress them

I think well Part of his motivation for signing us with Yuri was exactly that. Yes. He used to He look at I'm like I'm like kryptonite for someone like Taylor Like I'm super I can imagine how annoying I must be because I really don't give a shit about the stuff that he finds super important. Not that I don't find value in it. I find tremendous value, but when it comes to myself.

I almost has to lay it out in front of you like right before you get going. Can I just tell you something right now? And you know, my girl listens to this podcast, so maybe this is a subtle message. I would love it if I just woke up in the morning and my clothes were picked out for me. Like that would be so awesome.

Anyway, but he, you know, since he's, that's one of the reasons why he signed us with Viori is because he's thinking of us on his nerves when I would show up to work. Yeah, no, he has changed the look of us just like in a subtle way, you know, like little like comments here and there, like, oh, wow, look at, you know, and we're in, you know, the Viori shorts and everything, it really does. He's trying the positive associate. Well, in his, in his, in his, bring our, one of the, one of the things that I remember when we were talking about this way before Viori even, before he even got connected, like,

you know, he was, he was in search, like he's not trying to, one of the things that is important because, you know, one of our core values is radical honesty and staying authentic. So it's important that, you know, none of us, no one wants to change, no one's gonna change who we are. So his biggest challenge was finding a brand that really matches who we are as individuals. And then it's saying that we all liked that everybody liked that everybody would wear that looks good. And so, I mean, that was a long time search for him when he finally found viewer.

And it's great to see what that company's going to do. It's so neat to see them explore everywhere. They're blowing up. but so I mean, that was a long time search for him when he finally found the audience. Great to see what that company's going, dude. It's so neat to see them explore everywhere. They're blowing up. What was that thing we read about them recently? There was something, too. They were GQ, New York Times. Like that?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're getting competing with Lulu Lemon. Like head to head. Now, I'm not a detective. I'm not a forensic scientist. But if you do the math, you could see clearly what happened

when they signed with us and now we go. The Mind Pump bump. That's right, we call it the Mind Pump bump, dude. Well, I know when we went down there, I mean, they had just an epic day when we went down and we spoke at their facility and they will be on the tour list next year, for sure. I know we'll go down there.

I mean, they've been a great relationship. They just dropped all their false stuff. So they got a bunch of new stuff that's coming out. I believe we have gear on the way, so I'm pretty excited too. Ooh, I love it. I always see like, you know, on those ads, like that pop up now on my Instagram all the time. They just keep coming out with new styles all the time.

I'm like, oh, man, I don't have that one yet. I got some shopping to do. Yeah, I like the, this is the jacket I wear every day. Yeah, what is, I don't know, is it, you call it a jacket, right? Yeah, there's a name for it. It's a hoodie. It's a zip up hoodie that you have.

You know what I like about it? The one that Justin was wearing, I want to get the one he had yesterday. What's the one he wore yesterday? It was yesterday, you wore that? It's kind of gray with the black on it. Yeah, yeah. Is it form?

Is it form fitting a little bit? Well, it's nice and light, so it's like I can wear it when it's kind of in between cold Because here in California, you know, we're not like freezing. Yeah, see I like I like to I like the one the because it's a little bit form fitting and You know, I want to I want to show off the guns. I see you know, I'm saying Bro, did you hide them yet? So was it two days ago? When did we interview Dr. Stephen Cabral? It was like a few days ago. Yeah, it was me three, four days ago. Three, three, three, I was a way, it was like last week, right?

Yeah. The day after, I'm gonna throw Justin over the bus. Oh, wow. The day after. Oh, man. Yeah. Justin, of course, give me a set. It's a great story.

Yeah. Justin and I pull in at the same time. So we both pull into the parking lot and we're getting to the car. And I'm like, what's up, dude? How you doing, bro? And he had just look on his face that looked like concerned, you know what I mean? It's a little wider than normal. Yeah, and a concern. That's possible.

I'm like, oh, shit, what's up, man? How was your weekend? He goes, bro, because he goes, I gotta get inside right now. I'm like, what's the matter? And he's like, he goes, I fucking drank a whole glass of milk this morning. And it's just, I don't know what I was thinking. It just fuck me up and he runs inside poor dude was lighting it up Yeah, but I don't know why you did that after we had that episode You know it's a bathroom. He said that to me to it

I'm going like bro. You're so the opposite of me You went and tested something that you probably know you shouldn't do. I was like now I after done is after talking to Dr. Cabral, I was like, analyzing everything I was doing. I was like, fuck, I poured my coffee, and I'm notorious for using the sugar-free, but I forget the name of the brand, or whatever that means.

Garbage basically creams. And after listening to him talk, I was like, fuck, dude. But I'm like barely pouring any in there. But poor kid goes in there and just destroy, and you're just'm a realist, you know, talkless, like, I was like, fuck, dude. But I'm like, barely pouring any in there. But he, a poor kid goes in there and just destroy, and you're just such a bad kid, just, you're like that kid that your parents say something like a test it. And you do the opposite, you know what I mean? Yeah, because I don't know, dude, I like to like, my sense of freedom and individual, you know, rights.

Like, I want to make sure, like, this doesn't apply to me. Yeah, I'm just like, I love it, I love, I love dairy, and I make sure this doesn't apply to me. I'm just like, I love dairy and here's a thing. I know that sometimes, yeah, defend the cheese brother, defend it. Well the cheese itself, I'm still working through that. I know that it might affect me on a little basis, but a pure glass of milk, I'm like, well, maybe if I just drink, like I had some peanut butter and I'm like,

I'm trying to just decide whether or not maybe peanut butter, this is that, but it was definitely the milk. And milk goes great with peanut butter. Milk is so good. Did you just have peanut butter by itself? I got a spoon. Yeah.

Yeah, you don't do that. Yeah, I do. You're the guy that eats fucking butter sticks. Yeah, that's true. So I don't hear talking about that. I don't know, I just picture you with the board and you're like, sitting at the counter. Who has the jar of peanut butter?'t hear talking about that. I don't know. I just picture you with the board. Like sitting at the counter.

Who has the chance to be a buttered? I was chucked this huge glass of milk. It wasn't just like a small. Did it hit you right away? No. It was like when I was on the drive over. Oh, no, for the hill. Right, right, right.

And it just like kept grumbling. And my stomach was just turning over and over. And I got here and I was like, this is not gonna be a good day. I just like, it totally gave me diarrhea and it was bad news. Crushed it, but I saved you buddy. I saved you, gave him the fucking four-sigmatic charcoal.

I know, so that's where I ran into him. So you write, I see him. And he's like me, we probably use four-sigmatic a third of the amount of times that you use Forsegmatic. You've definitely used the brand more than anybody. I come walking in from the bathroom and Justin had just got here and I see him making up a, what is it, the Lemonade and Charcoal? Is that what it is?

It's Lemonade and Charcoal. It's got Chaga and Activated Charcoal. Yeah, and I see him stirring it up and I don't ever see him make that that often. It's like, what's up, bro? You go, man, I had a fucking glass of milk. I'm like after I was like, after we just had Dr. Garron, you're talking like, what are you? What are you so subconscious?

Like I just like poured it thinking like, huh, you know, let's see. You know, and then I fucked it up. Yeah, yeah, that's so mad. That shit doesn't apply to me. Yeah. But I wanted to keep that part of me. Bro, this is I'm this is not bullshit now. How fucking effective is activated charcoal? Yeah, it was almost like five minutes later. Yeah, which is like everything was settling down and back to normal.

But then it then 30 of 40 minutes later you went and what did you eat after that? You went and ate something else. I'm like, what are you doing, bro? And you're like, oh, I'm just testing it or something. What was it that you made? I don't know, I don't know. It's probably something like cheese. You know, like, I'm at, I'm stubborn. You know, I'm a stubborn guy. Like, I just, I have that part of me.

Yeah, so you can't, you can't break through. So Jessica has figured something out. Here's the bad thing with activated charcoal. First of all, I don't think it's something you should take all the time. So I just wanna make sure people know that. Activated charcoal is good for those situations where you drink milk and you know you shouldn't.

You know you're gonna eat something or drink something that's gonna bother you. I don't think it's a daily regular like consistent for months on end-time supplement. No, that's not. So, but, and here's why I wanna say that, because first of all, for me, before discovering the magical and mystical powers of activated charcoal, I never drink alcohol. It is pretty magical.

Never drink alcohol. Now that I know if I drink alcohol and take activated charcoal, I'm not going to get a hangover, now we have events and shit, I'm fucking drinking. Yeah, you're okay. So Jessica, she gets, you're not so lame anymore. Jessica will break out. It's great, it's nice. Yeah, it's just you should let's.

That's so lame. I'm tired of being her, I'm not so lame. Oh, I can't do this, but not that. I can't do this either. I never do fucking fitness people are the worst. There they are. I'm just fucking little baby. So Jessica, when she eats chocolate, she'll break out.

Almost like, 24 hours later, she'll break out in her face. She figured out that if she takes active at a charcoal with chocolate, she doesn't break out. So what do you think she does more now? Eat more chocolate. So I'm like, babe, we can't, like, we can't use this. Let's not rely on this, yeah. Yeah, this isn't like a two, a fucking free ticket, you know.

We could just do whatever the hell we want type of do. No, I've definitely had more alcohol this last year than I probably have in the previous 10 years because of that hack that you introduced me to. That's been a game changer for me. And it's like, and every time I've tested it, like, you know, from crossing my fingers over here knocking on wood, but every time that we've gone out

and we've drank, I have yet to have a hangover since we started doing the charcoal thing and I'm like, whoa, this is weird. It is. It is. It is very interesting. And it dope, it's all anecdote. I'm not making any claims, but I'm serious for me. Nor do we can do it. Yeah, for me, I swear to God. No, we've had a ton of people since then. I've gotten a lot of DMs and I've seen quite a few, quite a few posts on our Facebook forums saying they've gone and done it themselves and can testify to it too.

Are we the only fitness podcast that's sponsored by Weed and Alcohol? Oh my God. Probably. We are, aren't we? Well, it's because we're cool. No, we're just, That's what I want. I want gambling condoms in guns. Then we'll be the all-American fitness podcast. God.

Dude, so I'm gonna shoot some guns right now. Study came out two days ago. Okay, here's a title of the study. Size really does matter when it comes to fertility. Did you know this? So a new study suggests that men who are infertile also have smaller penises. What? Yes.

Wow. Having a shorter appendage just lost the picture. Having a shorter appendage was more common in men who are struggling to conceive. It's a turkey-based effect. Then those with other genital health problems. He's a spacer effect. So they've now... So all up in there. So here it is. It found that on problems. Spacer effects. So they've now. So all up in there.

So here it is. It found that on average, oh my God, that on average, men who were in fertile were around one centimeter shorter than their fertile counterpart. One centimeter? Yeah. Come on.

That's such a small thing. That is a very small difference. Oh, well, let's say that meter, like an inch would make a bigger difference. Well, here's a quote, right? The quote says, one centimeter may not be a striking difference, but there was a clear statistical significance. Interesting.

Now, you know, how does this make sense? Is it because you're just closer? I would think so. I would think so. If that's the finish line and you've got a one centimeter head start on the other guys, I would think that you have an advantage. Just like power. You know what I mean?

Like it's a cannon. But I think I think I think I'm saying. What's up in defense of the little winners? Yeah, it's not like trying to help you the little guys out there, right? Boom! Like, yeah, I don't know. I'll do some jumping jacks at it's time. No, I read a long time ago that the,

because you know, the gender of the child is determined by the man, right? The, the, we're the ones that have, that are sperm determined whether or not it's a boy or a girl. And the male sperm apparently swim faster, but die sooner, kind of like real life. Yeah, as he says. The female sperm swim slower but live longer. Right. So the strategy for me when I had my kids was you know when you when you release that out the soldiers

You go in as far as you can let the let the let the let the dudes are gonna are gonna or to have a boy The guys are gonna go as fast as they possibly can and get there soon and then boom you'll have a boy. The guys are going to go as fast as they possibly can and get there soon and then boom, you'll have a boy. If you want a girl, you do halfway and you do your thing. And then the boys swim faster, they die, then the females, perms get in there. And guess what? I didn't know we were going to be dropping so much science. Yeah. I don't think there's any science there. I think I'm just, you got to shoot halfway in. Work for me. So it was best of a slow day on an American Journal. Sounds like it's a lot, right? What's your, our pub met? Yeah, pub met.

Oh, this one, it was a bit of slow week for pub met. I got like four more. That's good. OK, as good as it says. I got like four. The best study we had this week. I got a whole bunch here to bring up. Did you guys bring any today?

Yes. You're the only one that reads pub med, bro. You're the only one that reads. Or the only guy that reads. No, no, no. Give me a good pub. Give me a good pub med one and then I actually had something I was going to share with you guys that I thought was interesting. All right, I'll go with another one here. This one's pretty good. So this is a, when article in the New York Times, it's pretty, I think it's pretty apparent to anybody with a brain that marijuana is probably gonna be recreationally legal nationwide,

probably within the next 10 years, definitely medicinal legal, right? I don't think anybody's gonna debate that. The next thing to probably go through rescheduling is psilocybin mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms. I heard about that. Yeah, because, okay, so researchers at Johns Hopkins University suggested that psilocybin should be reclassified from a schedule one, which means, which is bullshit, it should

never be schedule one, which means there's zero, no medical benefit, to schedule four, which is like prescription sleeping pills. I firmly believe that should be the case. So this is gonna make its way into therapy first. And then it'll sort of. Yeah, so if they make it a schedule, so schedule four is like when you go by, like a sleeping pill,

or you get a prescription for a sleeping pill or whatever, yeah, those are all schedule four. So you still need a prescription, but it's not like so illegal that you can't study it, you can't, you know, schedule one means, yeah, that's ridiculous. So what I think, I firmly think, and there's a very strong push for this

in the medical or scientific community, is to reclassify psilocybin as a schedule for drug to be used for therapy. And I believe the first ways that the, and MDMA is another one that's pushing about MDMA because of all the studies they've already shown with. It wasn't it like, it was like 99 or something, like a almost like 100% success rate

they're having with PTSD. It wasn't 100% but it was a really high. It was some high of 70 or 80% and something that has no like terrible success rate. What I think, I think what we're entering into right now is a completely new era of psychotherapy. And I think it's going to be pushed by the reclassification of psilocybin and MDMA. And I think, because what they found in these studies is classical psychotherapy or talk therapy.

You know, there's a certain level of effectiveness and it is effective in some cases. In some cases, it's not that effective, but over giving a long period of time and work, it's still has a certain efficacious rate. And this is why it's prescribed and used and why it has been used for so long. If you have an issue with paranoia's, anxieties, depression, talk therapy, psychotherapy, it's something that you should probably look into.

What they're finding is classical psychotherapy, talk therapy, incombination with these drugs for very difficult to treat conditions like PTSD or where I think it's going to first go is end of life therapy. I think that's the first place it's going to go. Where if you're terminal, the doctor just told you you're going to, you got six months to live or something's going to happen to you soon, that is a very, very scary place to be. Yeah, if you're terminal, I mean, why wouldn't we allow that person to make

all the decisions themselves? I don't think anything should be illegal if it's crazy to me that you would determine what's best for them at that point. I think all drugs should be legal, especially if you have six months to live and you wanna go smoke a bunch of crack. Right, yeah, like go for it.

I mean, let's get a stop. Yeah. What are you going to do? Kill yourself? Yeah. It's already happening. You know what I'm saying? So, but I think that's the first place they're going to make these things legal because

there were these studies that they were doing on these terminal cancer patients and all of them severe anxiety and fear and depression over their disease. They gave them this therapy with cytosybin. And the way they do it, for my understanding is they'll give them a load. And it's not like, they're not giving them like a crazy megal dose of mushrooms. They're giving them like a, I guess, a clinically effective dose, which is, I don't know how many grams,

but it's not this crazy huge dose. It's enough though. Then they'll put shades on them, or what do they call blinders, or I don't know what they're called, where you cover your eyes so they're in the dark. Then they'll put on headphones with really soft music. They make sure that the setting is comfortable.

They make sure that they're comfortable with the therapist. Then they lay there with their eyes closed and just think and then they'll take them off and then they'll talk and then they'll go back in and they'll think and they'll talk and they'll go back and forth. And a significant majority of the people who were terminal who did this kind of therapy Came out of it and said that they lost all their fears and anxieties to come to terms with it, right? Totally. Yeah, I've heard that a lot. Well, and imagine for the the people who are connected to them Because I can imagine I have all the empathy in the world for someone who's terminal

Yeah, I've seen someone go through that firsthand But it's the people around them who I think will benefit a lot as well. Because imagine if you have a terminal person and they go through this therapy and now they're like, you know what, I need to say this to this person. I need to say sorry to this person. I need to mend these bridges with this individual. I need to say these things to my kid that I've never said.

I need to apologize to my wife for the years of whatever and leaving with just this beautiful ending. I think it'll be super, super powerful. Well, and drugs really, they take us from being present, right? And I think it's only fair that somebody who's like dying with that and feels miserable present, the present moment, why not let them be fucking off in La La Land? Like why not? Like, I think when I am if and when that point comes for myself, I would definitely want the option of, man,

I just don't feel like thinking about that I'm laying in a bed right now and I feel awful and miserable. I could be high as fuck all day long today, like by all means, why not? Yeah, it's the form of escape. All right. We got your back, bro.

Some like that happens, we're gonna hook you up. Yeah, yeah, we'll get you all the drugs. I appreciate that. Yeah, you're welcome. You know, I was gonna bring out, I just remember, did you guys see the bank sees painting that went for auction? It went for like a million something and then,

I love all his stuff. Dude, so it was the one famous painting where it's the full hour balloon, the balloon right? So, and it went for auction and everything went through and all that and then it basically like had, it exploded or shredded. It had a self-destruct mechanism in it.

So brilliant. What? Yes. Everything went through like that. Oh my God. This guy's so brilliant. I think it's shredded. Yeah, it just happened not too long ago.

I follow a bunch of his, you know what people do too? It's crazy. So he'll like, you know, He's been, it's Banksy be shredded moments after being sold. Doug, you don't know who Banksy is? Oh, yeah. He's like a graffiti artist. He's a graffiti artist.

That nobody knows what he looks like, right? Nobody knows who he is or what he looks like. Completely anonymous. You know, what's cool too is like, you see these people will help graffiti somewhere and people will take the, oh, I can't believe this. Justin, when this come out? Yeah, so I mean, this is really just recently.

Is there an article on a Doug or is it just video? Yeah. Yeah, I wanna see. So it was self-destruct art, which is classic bansy, right? To fuck with people like that? Yeah. So what he's known for, Doug, is he like, he definitely addresses like controversial political topics

and things that are going on in current events. Like social issues and stuff. Yes, yes, yes. They said that it might even be worth more. Oh yeah, oh look at that. As it's shredded. It's sold for $1.4 million. Yeah.

And then I guess it's self-destructed. Is it, is it? Yeah, I'm trying to see what actually happened because I didn't, wow, after the Gavalfel, oh, wow, a paper shredder was hidden inside the frame. Oh, and it totally just released. Look at these people, they're like, no!

No! Well, yeah, dude, is this something being? That's so much money. frame. Totally just. Look at these people. No. Well, yeah, dude. Is this something? That's so much money. Was that South of Bees or whatever? They. Oh, that the famous auction. Wow.

He secretly built the shredder in case the painting went up for auction. Oh, he did it on purpose because he wanted to be sold. Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was the brilliance of it. Yeah, because I mean, he's so renegade. And he's, you know, like with all his paintings in general, he just does it without like nobody even know who he is

or where he's gonna do it. How does he make money? How does he make, you know, you know, you make money at him? No, he doesn't, dude. It's the thing, yeah, he doesn't make money. It's real art, you know, it just puts it out there. Wow. That's pretty cool.

It is really cool. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. What were you, you had something? Well, yeah, talking about destruction or going down or bad. So I love watching companies, I guess it sounds bad, but it's just, it's interesting to me to see companies

try and get out when things are going bad, right? And so a couple of companies that I'm talking about right now, one of them being Campbell's Soup. Like seven years ago, they invested heavily into the fresh food market and it ended up being like a hundred you know hundreds of millions of dollar You know botched idea like and they're selling off right now and trying to backp it a lot of it Which is interesting to me because seven years ago that it seems like it would be a really smart time Sure, and I think they they probably tried to pivot and move into that area, but just goes to show like once you've painted yourself into a corner sometimes as a company,

as a canned food business, like to try and get into fresh food, it's just, it's not. So what do you mean by fresh food? Was it like food that you put in the fridge and then you just warm it up? Yeah, are you pulling it up right now, Doug? Yeah, fresh food falls short.

I wonder why I would like to look at the. Well, I would my speculation on that is exactly what I just said is that I think sometimes when you've you've built a, you know, billion dollar company off of, you know, one one thing canned foods, like that's what they're known for. I can soup canned foods is, you know, stuff that can preserve forever and you could eat it, you know, years later. And then you decide to go in the completely opposite direction in hopes to get a piece of the market that everybody knows is growing.

Right. And it has been growing for the last decade. And then you just, you just don't have to. Did they do that under the same brand name? Or did they buy another company that was doing it, which you see like Coca-Cola and all these other kind of companies, though like Hedge's or Bats on like a different, like beverage company. That's a good question. As far as I know, they still did it under Campbell.

I don't think they did it under a different name, but I know that it hurts probably a bad thing. Oh, so they did a bunch of acquisitions. Is what they did. Yeah, a bunch of fresh food acquisitions, and I don't think it panned out for them at all. I don't know just enough, they kept the same name or they tried to sell under the original names

of the companies that they bought. It would be interesting. It is a consumer. I mean, that's the big barrier there, right? You do already have a preconceived idea of what that company provides. And so it's like, there's a little bit of a hesitancy, I'm sure.

Well, it's interesting to me because, you know, part of the problem with going from what they were good at to fresh foods is distribution, production, it's a totally different operation. Exactly, yep, and that would kill them? That is what's killed them, is part of that, is exactly. And kind of what we talk about with Thrive Market and them being, what they have mastered

is they mastered that side of the business first before they got into actually distributing. It's like they had that in line, like, oh, we have all these people in place to, because I think that's what you don't think about. You're like, oh, shit, well, what happens when millions of people do start wanting to buy this stuff? Can we produce it at that rate?

And then when you can't scale, could you? Yeah. And the cost of implementing all these new channels of ways to distribute fresh foods because they might need refrigeration, they need, it's just different problems for shelf life. Different all of it.

Totally, totally. Along the lines of companies that are dying, we touched on it a little bit with Craig, but I mean, it interests me too, because we just recently had bodybuilding.com reach out to us and they're coming after Mind Pump in a positive way, they're looking to affiliate or partner up somehow with us. And one of the things the first thing that we all did

was look at, how are they doing as a business right now? And man, they've been on a nose dive for the last, you know, four years and after listening to Craig talk about what they did. It's like, man, you've built your brand off of providing all this free content. And then you put it behind a paid wall. And I'm sure that's a big reason why. Well, they had to figure out a way to monetize

because the bodybuilding.com made a shit ton, they still do, but they made a shit ton of money off of selling supplements. And Amazon, let's face it, like good luck competing with Amazon. They're gonna destroy anybody. The ship being the delivery system, like you just can't compete with that anymore.

Well, I believe they're done already. That's the thing that's crazy is I really believe that. This was something that Mike Matthews and I were talking about when we were up the podcast, Hard of In, so we were speculating about the business itself. In itself, and I was telling him that I really think that Amazon is letting them bleed slowly right now. It's like there's no reason for them to make a power move. They're too small of a fish. His biggest bodybuilding.com is for Amazon,

they're small fish. And so it's like, you know, we can see here and chase them around and try and outsell them and supplements and crush them. But why even put any money there? Let them slowly drown until they're in a position where they can just walk over and either want to acquire them or completely swap them.

So here's my question for you guys. Let's all speculate. Let's all have fun speculating. Let's say you are part of the team to figure out what to do with your supplements because although they are getting murdered right now by Amazon with supplement sales, it still is probably the easily the largest source of revenue I would assume, I don't know this for sure,

but I would assume. And if anything before, it was a massive source of revenue, I would assume. I don't know this for sure, but I would assume. And if anything before, it was a massive source of revenue. It'd be interesting. What strategies would you have to try to? You would double down on the media side, right? So maybe the supplements are the most profitable. I don't know, because with supplements come shipping and overhead and cost for the product and storage and all these

other things. Well, how else do they mount most? Well, advertising. Well, advertising, we know that's the main source of revenue. If you're at one point, they're website. I know it's not anymore, but at one point, they were one of the most highly trafficked websites in the world. I know.

And so, I would imagine to advertise on there, you'd have to pay a pretty dollar. So, I would imagine that that is up there. Now the thing that I think where they went really wrong, and what I think we've done a really good job of with Mindbomb, is they didn't curate their content as well as I think that we are. We're very careful about who we present on the podcast. We're very careful about who we present on the YouTube channel. And I think they went purely,

they, I shouldn't say they pulled a page out of his shred, shreds pulled a page out of them, which is they just look for anybody who's popular and look good and it's just like, who's trending or the numbers of their website, how it's performing and so it's like attractive. Yeah, forget the idea that they've got a great message or that it lines with your views or whatever.

It's like if they're popular, they're big, they're trending like you're saying Justin, which is the same reason why I think they came after us. They knew very little about Mind Pump ironically. You know, as they're talking to us on the phone, it's like, well, you know, but they've looked at our website. Our website's grown 400% over the last year. It's funny because I mean, that was the biggest hurdle for us

is to get our website to perform. Right, yeah. I think, yeah, it's interesting, Doug, do they have, what's their shipping? Because here's a problem with competing against Amazon. Amazon has prime, which killed everybody. They came out with prime and that just murdered everybody, right? Two-day shipping, you know, you pay one flat right

for the whole year. The other thing that Amazon kills everybody is is, is it's so fat. You have an app and you just click to buy. You don't have to enter anything. Yeah, one click. You click to buy. I'm sure they have that as well. What's the side, it'd be interesting to see what their shipping is.

How long it takes? Well, there's, it can't compete with Amazon. That's the problem. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they are, whatever they're offering, it cannot compete with prime. That's what makes Amazon Prime so fucking bad ass. It's almost like you want to fire sail

all your supplements on Amazon, right? Like you put it all on there. It's like whatever. This is the place everybody's going to buy in. What they're hanging on to right now, when you look at it is, you know, in Doug, Doug just, Doug, what? Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug,

Doug just had a Chris, Chris with it. Chris Gretlin, Gettlin, Gettlin. I always forget fuck up his last name. Caged supplements. So where they're hanging on is that they've partnered up with people like our friend Craig, who's no longer partnered with them, but with individual brands like that

and guys that have made their own supplement line. And so they promote them and their supplement through there. So there are still hanging on the fact that, okay, these people are coming through here because they're connected to these people still. And hopefully they'll buy it through us versus buying on Amazon, right? Yeah, chips.

Yeah, I think you're right. Because the way I'm thinking about it, I'm trying to picture myself being in that position, like how do you compete? Well, the thing about Amazon, the thing that is the detriment about Amazon. You can't compete at all. Well, hold on, so here, I'm, maybe you're right,

but I'm just trying to figure out the weakness. If I'm looking at Amazon as a fitness consumer, Amazon sterile, right? It's by your product, it just by your product, it comes your house quick, free shipping, that's it, but it's also very sterile, you don't get. What do you mean by that? There's no fitness value, there's no fitness information shipping, that's it, but it's also very sterile. You don't get... What do you mean by that? There's no fitness value.

There's no fitness information value. There's no, like, if I have questions, if I have a free food, I get your support. I get your direction, you're going, you're right. And that's what I mean by, like, you have... That's what bodybuilding is called. Right, like, so if I wanted to read an article from, you know, what's the kid's name?

I like a lot of the stuff he puts out. They call him Quadzilla and he's a, supposedly claims to be an all natural guy. He's got incredible legs. Why can't I think of this kid's name? Oh, no. Anyways, one of our foreign members will, for sure, say something, but he was on the, just there on the page a minute ago that Doug had up and, you know, so he's got, I think, close to half a million followers on Instagram and he's got his own line and everything with that.

So I could see people coming there to read his content, watch his videos, watch some of the programs that he has out there, and then oh, by the way, clicking on a supplement that he promotes or whatever. So I see some value there, but let's be honest, even after you buy it one time, if that same product is offered on Amazon for faster, cheaper, you're still going to continue over there. You might have got introduced to it on this. And then if you're a company, like one of these young guys that have their own supplement line, it would behoove you to be on Amazon. You don't want to not be on Amazon. So you're on Amazon and you're on BodyVillain.com and then they're competing with each other. Most people, they look at that supplement and they're like,

I wonder if it's on Amazon. And then you just go right to Amazon. And so I think Amazon is like, they know that. And I think they're smart and they're just letting them bleed out. They're like, sure, we've got no problem with BodyBilling.com hustling to put out all this content to get a track people. Because we're going to get people on the back end, right? So you're going to you're gonna initially attract them

because of a person like a Craig Kaperso, like, oh, I love Craig. Oh, let me click and see his, oh, look, it's BodyMillian.com. There's an article on him. There's a video on him. Cool. Oh, look, here's the supplement I wanna buy. Now you buy it now, after you buy that one supplement,

you go, oh, I wonder if I can find this on Amazon. So, cheaper and faster. Oh, look, I can't. This is why I've eaten it. This is why when you're in the market, in the position that you have is a middle have is as a middleman, right? So how you make money is you take something from someone and take it and then deliver it to someone who wants it.

You're a middleman and all markets have middleman and they play a very important role in markets. However, and here's some of the benefits of that. You can make a lot of money and that have to produce anything. You just have to be the one that delivers it. The problem is you're always at major risk for competition and for technology.

Technology eliminates that person first. Technology is destroying all middlemen. So this reminds me of, like if we went back in time, we were just talking about blockbuster earlier. If blockbuster saw the writing on the wall and said, oh fuck, our days are numbered, we got, let's get in heavy and digital streaming.

Today, they'd probably doing pretty fucking good. They'd be doing okay. The problem is they held on for too long and they sank and then it was too late. Netflix, Amazon, everybody else killed them. So if you're bodybuilding.com, who is a middleman? Because they sell their own supplements, but really they sell everybody else's supplements.

They may be looking at this and saying, okay, if I'm looking at this, okay guys, look, our days are numbered. We'll keep doubling down on the content. Let's phase out this middleman thing that we're doing, because Amazon's doing it way better. And let's either A, invest in our own supplements, and create our own line, and make them really good,

and then sell them on Amazon ourselves. That may be the way to go. It's just a shitty position to be in, because it's like you're holding on to all these chips, and the only way to win is to give most of them away, and shift, and all you wanna do is hold on to them. You know what I'm saying? And this whole market, the technology's fucking just destroying

all middlemen. It's really fascinating. Like look at record stores. When's the last time you went to a fucking record store that sells, you know, it makes no sense. They don't exist anymore. Just a little nostalgia. That's it.

Everything's about streaming. It's street light records. Speaking of street light, I was reading an article on Hulu. So now I'm like watching Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon as far as like. It's right, because you canceled everything on. Yeah, and so now I have all these that I'm streaming and I'm paying attention to like top shows and everything. It's kind of crazy to see how they do this now.

Like, Hulu and Amazon both, they just haven't figured it out as well as Netflix on. But what I mean, figured out is the team of people that are creating the series and so like that are just not quite as talented as Netflix. Netflix is still the leader in this field and what you see a lot of is this You know, they'll throw a series out and you know, it'll be a decent series But if it's not it's not a home run. There's a big gap. There's a major gap between TV series that are good and people like and they're like, oh, thumbs up whatever versus viral

of like, oh my God, you have to see a stranger things. Oh my God, you have to see like this. And you know, these other like Hulu and Amazon are really lacking that department. Netflix is done an incredible job of creating viral type seasons or shows that people are sharing like crazy. And so Amazon is like like they'll throw a show out one season I'll watch it and I'll be like oh this is good But because it didn't break any sort of records. They don't even they don't even fuck around more money into it Yeah, cuz it's still cost the money still it's still a hundred million dollar project Even if it made them back a hundred and fifty million they burn it. It's like oh, it doesn't matter even if it's a profitable

That's crazy, right? But that just shows you like how cool, I mean, when you think about that as a consumer, it's can be frustrating because if you, if you like the show and you wanted more, it's a bummer, but the cool part is it's elevating the game so much competitive. Yes, that everybody, everybody is, Netflix is really putting a lot of efforts into like, developing movies. And I know like it's been a rough start. You know, there's been a few of them I've watched and I'm like, eh, but I just watched one last night that I'm still thinking about right now like it pisses me off because it's one of those

like, what's one of those movies that's it's super suspenseful, it's scary, you know, it was it was about this guy who, um, he goes off the war, he's he's psychologically fucked up, like he's some kind of psychopath. And he's in this like culture up in Alaska, in this place that's like super like away from everybody. Like there's no roads going in or anything. And it's like this really tight knit community. Anyway, they're like really into wolves.

I guess the wolves had come in and had actually taken away some kids. And like this was like, the main premise of the show is like these wolves had come in and take kids away from this mom who was just like, had saw the whole thing and was just like, anyways, it kind of, it goes on from there to where he comes back from the war,

he starts going on this killing spree and like kills all these people. Where's this like fucked up, like a wolf mask and it's all like related to, they're trying to relate like human behavior to animal behavior and like all this kind of stuff. At the end, he gets away, right? He gets away with his wife, like, and anyways,

like I don't wanna ruin the whole thing, but it's like, you just do. It's so fucked up, you're just like left hanging, you're like, there's no resolve. You know, like, but I'm still thinking about it. And I'm like, wow. Now, do you think that that's because they're trying to potentially test it to see if it could be a series

or an eight part two? I have no idea, yeah, exactly. That's, I think that's where I'm just left speculating the whole time I brain. I was sleepy, I was dreaming about, I woke up this morning, so thinking about it. That's funny. It was crazy. Well, you know, here's the thing that I'm thinking too, with Amazon and Netflix and Hulu, competing with traditional movies and that kind of media, you know, the writing is now very different., and really that's the difference between a great movie and a good movie is the writing.

Yeah. Anybody will tell you that. Oh, yeah. But, but the way that writers are writing movies or shows now is changing because before you were limited with time. Like, if you go to the movies, how long is a movie going to be? Three hours at the most. Like, usually around two hours is the average length of a movie, right?

Well, Amazon and Netflix can make a series that really if you stream even every episode back to back, you're looking at between 18 to 13 hours of a movie. So the writing is very different. You're writing way more in depth, you're getting way more into the characters, you've got way more twists, you've got way more directions, you can go fascinating.

I think it's gonna be very fast. It's, media's totally changing, I fucking... Yeah, hold the dark, that's what it's called, thanks, though. So, and this is a movie, the way it's set up. It is a movie, yeah, it's an actual movie. And it has the guy from, what's that, the latest one with the robots or the God. You're terrible. Yeah, you have to get it. You'll remember a fucking song

from when he's fighting. Right, right. I can't remember. It's a show you see us who you can't. It's like one of the most popular shows ever too. Well, I have one. I have one for you guys to check out that Katrina Katrina and I are just loving right now and it's an Amazon Prime Prime one is marvelous Miss Mazzell. You guys should watch, it's fucking great. It's based in the 1930s and it's a cool, it's a MAI, MAI, SEL, and it's actually on Amazon Prime, not Netflix, though.

But it's a really good show. I think that we're almost done. We have like one or two episodes left. We've knocked it out in a couple of nights because we liked it so much. It's got a great story behind it. Oh my God. Oh, that's what you were trying to do.

Yeah, West is. I don't know where. West world. West world. He was in West world. He's one of the main actors. Oh, sorry. Oh, the, what's his name?

The guy, the, the, the, the black guy. That's on the robot. Okay. I know you're talking about. Anyways, this one's really good. It's some of the thirties. She is, and I'm still figuring out like where it's gonna go, but it's definitely got me sucked in.

But she's kinda like this, you know, she plays this traditional housewife and you know, she can tell that she gets into a divorce or her husband leaves her for basically the exact same life that she had already like created with them. And so you're kind of rooting for her and then she's trying to chase to be a comedian. And then she gets out in the workforce.

She comes from a very wealthy Jewish family. And so just a very unique story. I've never seen I think a story or a series like this told in the 30s from a perspective of a woman and what that would be like to get divorced. Also coming from wealthy parents and their expectations of what they think she should be as a woman and what that would be like to get divorced also coming from wealthy parents and their expectations Of what they think she should be as a woman and then yeah, no you and Jessica would absolutely love it I know for sure and I think our audience, but it's one of the best shows I think on Marvelous Miss Mazell

Yeah, it's cool. Oh, it's cool. It's on the second season I didn't know that I've only seen the first season so far, but we're loving it right now. Shhh. Shhh. Quick call. I'm going to play a bit more. Max, call. Today's call is brought to you by Max and a Bollyk. If you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength, Max and a Bollyk is the perfect place to start. With a full 30-day money back guarantee, there is absolutely zero risk.

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17 year old bulk or cut? I like this question because I think, I know for sure me and I know for sure, so I think just in two, I was from literally 17, that's when I started, all the way till almost 30 years old. So I think about 28 or 29. So for 11 years of my life,

I was literally on the bulk. I mean, never stopped. No, never ever, ever, ever try to lean out. I never once. That's all hard. And that was because of my insecurities, because I was not big enough. And I think I looked at the kids,

make sure he looks like he was built. He's got a leaner, smaller frame, similar to mine. And so I could totally see how you could get stuck in this, like I need to be bigger. And so you're constantly trying to bulk. And one of the biggest light bulbs that went off for me at 28 when I finally went the other direction and I was so like mad at myself.

Like shame on me for thinking this way for so long and how well would it have served me? Had I done some mini cuts or at least leaned out or tried to die it to lose body fat. And it's because I always was relatively lean. I was always between 9 and 11 percent. I never saw myself as not lean enough. I always saw myself as not big enough.

And I didn't have enough muscle. And so because of that, it drove my programming. It drove my dieting. And it really, it probably slowed down much of the results that I could have had. Had I switched that thought process. So the reason why I picked this question is, I've got to think that there is a lot of 17-year-old young men and women for that matter,

that because of how they identify themselves right now, they make bad choices as far as diets and programming because they're battling their insecurities versus probably doing what would serve them best in their overall journey. It's interesting to think about because when I was 17 and I'm much like you guys, and I probably don't just voice it as much as you guys, but I was always trying to bulk and get bigger. And I was super bony and that was a big insecurity of mine. And taking my shirt off, I was just like, oh my God, I need more muscles.

And that's all I could think about thinking back, like what if we had social media back then? You know, also about getting big, but being lean at the same time, I didn't even think for a second about giving a shit about being lean. It was all about how much mass I could possibly put on my body. And that being sort of an interesting state

that we're in right now. It's like you're constantly showing your body off and people are judging you and, man, it would have been interesting. Yeah, I started at 14, right? So I started really young working out also, extremely insecure about being skinny. I was painfully skinny.

You know, it's funny, by the way. I look at pictures on myself now when I was 14 and 13. Yeah, I was skinny, but I wasn't like cool. Yeah, you look like everything. I look like a normal 13-year-old. That's how to skinny. That's how fucking distorted my mind. Well, you know what it is, and I remember this,

you look at the one or two anomalies in your school as a kid in high school, who's buff, you know, or as the mesomorph body type, and you're just like, you're gunning for that. Like you believe because you know a kid who looks like that, that it's possible to look like that, and then you're on this mission to, or in this case, now Justin brings up in this day and age,

you know, you have a, you know, who's the popular fucking young kid who's now 20-something, somebody started on Instagram and he's Jeff's side, right? You have this Jeff's side kid who's now 20-something but he started on Instagram and he's ju- Jeff's, Jeff's side. Right, you have this Jeff's side kid who's, you know, gets out there as a teenager on Instagram and is promoting, he's got an incredible physique and, you know, all these kids are chasing after

looking like this kid. In reality, there's probably not a lot you have in common with this kid whatsoever. Dude, I wasn't even, I remember too, there was definitely moments in my life where, you know, people would say things to me like you say to anybody, not because they're trying to be hurtful, just because they're, like for example, I remember once we were in my aunt's,

my aunt had a swimming pool and we'd all go there on the weekends in the summer and go swimming and have a blast, me and all my cousins. So I go in the bathroom and I change into my bathing suit and I get out and my aunt, who wasn't that much older than me at the time. So if I'm 13 years old, she's probably 18 years old and she looks at me and she goes, oh my God, she goes, you're so skinny, you need to eat something. And I know it was innocent.

This is what kids say to each other, it's not a big deal, but it's stung so deeply. And anytime someone said the word skinny to me, it's stung. And so I went on, I was on this mission forever to try and gain weight where, I mean, I did all kinds of crazy shit. You know, I used to buy, and because I had a job at the age of 14,

I would work for my dad, and he'd pay me a little bit. I'd take that money, and I'd ride my bike to the B-Hive, which was the name of this nutrition shop, which by the way still fucking exists on Coleman and something. And San Jose, this supplement store has been around for like a hundred years. And I go in there, and I remember I walk around and think I was like, oh, these are the answers. I remember the first time I bought anything was in that store.

And I had, I think it was like 60 bucks. And I saw the big bottles of weight gainer. And you know, one would say mask gainer. And it would say of weight gainer and you know one would say mass gainer and the other would say maximum weight gain. And I'm looking for the one that's like gonna sell me that it's gonna make me gain the most weight and I forgot which one I bought. I think it was mega mass you know 2000. Something came in big bucket and I drove a road my bike home so excited and I remember

I took this thing. My mom I told my mom buy me whole milk. And I remember, I took this thing, my mom, I told my mom, buy me whole milk, please, please buy me whole milk, because the bottle says, the thing says, it makes it with whole milk. I take her blender, and I blend up a shake with whole milk, and you turn the blender on, and the whole fucking thing would barely move, because it was like,

cake batter, so thick, and you'd see like, a little spiral in the middle, whole things that didn't move. And then I'd sit there, and this was what I would do after my workout, I'd sit there with this blender full of this thick liquid that's mostly, mostly maltodextrin, mostly sugar and carbohydrates, right? And I would just chug it, and I'd sit there and do sets.

This was like part of my workout, cause it was so hard to chug. And I'd sit there, and I'd swallow it it and I'd set it down on a thing and I'd fight the throwing up. Like, okay, I'm not gonna puke. I'm not gonna puke. Okay, cool, I can have some more. And it would take me 15 minutes to finish this whole thing. Then I'd sit in the couch and I wouldn't move so I couldn't, so I didn't puke because it was so much fluid. And I'd sit there and just try and absorb it. And this is the kind of shit that I did to myself for years and years and years and years.

Now the irony of it, and I did, I gained weight, I did, in spite of all that crazy shit that I did, would I have gained more muscle? Had I known that I could have been more effective and efficient with my nutrition by eating whole natural foods and by sometimes going into a cut, I would have gained more muscle, for sure.

And I probably wouldn't have damaged, you know, created the gut issues that I have. And I probably wouldn't have gotten to the point where it took me six, seven thousand calories to gain a single pound, had I allowed myself to cut every once in a while to sensitize my body to things like proteins and carbohydrates. So you know, my, when I talk to 17 year olds or kids about bulking and cutting, first thing I do is I say, don't think of it as a bulk or a cut because here's what happens when you tell to 17 year olds or kids about bulking and cutting, first thing I do is I say, don't think of it as a bulk or a cut because here's what happens

when you tell a 17 year old to bulk. They eat five times more than they were eating before. Yeah. And if you tell a 17 year old to cut, they eat nothing all of a sudden. They go one extreme or the other. So I tell them, no, let's not do that. What I want you to do is I want you to add

an extra small meal a day when you want to gain weight and I want you to eat your normal meals except cut one of them in half, maybe the last meal a day when you want to go down a little bit. And that's it, just a real small measurement, nothing too crazy. If I have a very dedicated 17 year old that's real smart, then I may teach them how to track and do that kind of stuff,

but a lot of times, and you know to be quite honest, I haven't trained a 17 year old or 16 year old recently with all these new tracking tools and stuff. Back when I would do it, it was like, okay, I got to get the 17 year old to take this nutrition book with them everywhere and to add things. So I'll just give them very basic advice, but if whether you're trying to build muscle or burn body fat, you want to live in both. Both of them are going to benefit you. Now, if you want to burn body fat, you want to live more in a calorie deficit.

And if you want to gain muscle, you want to live more in a calorie surplus. But you don't want to always entirely be there. Cutting or being in a deficit has some benefit to somebody who wants to gain muscle. The benefit is it resensitizes your body to protein and increases sensitivity to carbohydrates, making your body more efficient with calories, aka utilizing more of them to build tissue. On the flip side, if you're cutting, throwing in some surplus days is beneficial

because it keeps your metabolism from slowing down too much. And so this is the key here. I don't, just like if your goal is to build, let's say your goal is to max out your squat and be only strong in your max rep range of one. Let's say you're a power lifter and you just wanna lift one rep. And that obviously you're in competition

so it's one rep that you're gonna do in the competition You're still gonna benefit from throwing in some sets every once in a while of 10 to 12 reps You're gonna get some carryover and some benefit. So it's really not that different You know again if you want to gain Yeah, most of the time you live in that surplus Throw in those cuts every once in a while it'll it'll benefit you in the same thing for the reverse It's normal. I think that's the point to be made is that it's more than likely if you're a 17 year old

kid regardless of what you're trying to do your ultimate goal, you're probably living in one of these more than the other, right? Like if you're the kind of thicker kid who is a little more insecure about being, you know, feeling fat, you're probably always trying to cut and you're eating lean, trying to do that. If you're the opposite, you're the skink. So what would really serve both the, both examples is the opposite, you know, if, and that was the thing that I was trying to get across with like my, my thing was I, for years, was trying to bolt constantly because I, of my insecurities where I didn't realize

man, the best I, the best, they're the most amount of compliments that I ever got of being big, quote unquote, was when I leaned out for the first time in my life. And I never, I never remember being like, what the fuck, like I had never had so many people walk up to me and like, man, you look big, what are you doing? And me going like, what the fuck, I'm 15 pounds lighter than what I was just three months ago. It's the same thing with, I've had female clients

where they're in this constant state of trying to cut and then I'll have them bump up their calories and they'll build a little bit of muscle and then they'll come to me and be like, right, they fill out, add a couple pounds and then yet they're being told that they look a little... Yeah, they'll be like, dude, four people yesterday asked me how I've lost so much weight recently

and I'm like, I'm heavier, I'm two pounds heavier. You know, it's that illusion that you create in terms of the appearance. Because at the end of the day, you really do want to change the only people that should be worried about the scale, by the way, are athletes that are competing in a weight class. Right. Other than that, wrestling. You don't walk around with your weight plastered on your chest.

Nobody gives a shit. It's really, it should, of course, your health, but it's your appearance. So if you look leaner or you look more muscular, that's more important than what the scale says. And may times the scale will say one thing and you'll look the opposite. I've seen people lose weight and look fatter. I've seen people gain weight and look leaner all through that illusion. Adam just talked about how that happened for him, happened for me. You know, another paradigm, you know, shattering moment for me along these lines was there was a year where my parents were on vacation and so me and my siblings and I think I was maybe 16 or 17 years old and my siblings were all younger to me and we

were all staying with my grandparents and my grandma, old school, Sicilian, you know, woman, never had a driver's license, you know, hilarious, like literally the stereotype. She would make, dip food for me whenever I wanted and she'd make anything I wanted. And so she used to tell me, what do you want for breakfast and what do you want for lunch? And I'm like, wow shit, like this is cool. So I was like, steak. I want steak. I want steak in the morning. I want steak in the afternoon. I want steak for dinner and you know, throwing some pasta and potatoes or whatever. And so she literally made me steak all day long and my parents were gone for a month and I gained like seven pounds of like lean muscle. I was like a ridiculous amount of lean muscle

in a short period of time and I remember thinking to myself like oh shit it's food. It's not supplements that's going to be beginning muscle. I didn't do it. I'll do it. She's the best. She's the best. Next question is from Tracy Freeman. What would be the most appropriate rep ranges or workout phases for cuts and bulks? You know what's funny about this is the most appropriate rep range is the one that's going to build the most muscle on you, regardless if you're cutting or you're bulking. So let me explain what I mean by that. When you're trying to cut or lose body fat, the biggest thing you're going to have to contend with, the biggest challenge you're going to have

to contend with is the loss of muscle and the slow down of your metabolism. The best way to prevent your body to lose muscle is to train in a fashion that tells your body to build muscle. Now, you may not build muscle because you're eating localaries, but if your signal that tells your body to build muscle. Now, you may not build muscle because you're eating low calories, but if your signal is telling your body to build, then at the very least you should be able to keep muscle. So you should always be trained, weights should always be geared around building muscle, trying to build muscle, unless you have a performance goal in which case then performance

is number one, whether it be stamina or, you know, agility or power or whatever. But it should always be around trying to build muscle. Now with rep range is going to build the most muscle on you. The one you're not doing. That's it. It's the one you're not doing. Now there is a general rep range you want to be in, right? There's the low rep ranges, which I'd say are between one to four or five.

There's the high rep ranges, which I would say probably on the higher the highest end to 20, yeah, 15 to 20 or something like that. So between one to 20 reps, those are the ranges that you wanna work within. The one that you're stuck in is the one that's probably not building muscle for you anymore. Even the one that they call the hypertrophy range, which is eight to 12. That's why I do only seven reps.

That's it, yeah. That's why whenever I transition from a cut or a bulk, I'm also transitioning my program at the same time, which is kind of how we, you know, when you look at like all the math programs, they're all phased anywhere between it. I think the shortest we have and like are anywhere as like a two week phase, our longest phase,

I think is stretched out to four weeks, right? If I'm correct. Yeah. So between two and four weeks, we're always switching up your training phase, I think is stretched out to four weeks, right? If I'm correct. So between two and four weeks, we're always switching up your training phase, meaning that we're switching up the rep ranges, rest periods, things like that. So this would be that example. So if that's the case, then a great strategy would be to also be manipulating your nutrition at the same cadence.

Now what do you decide to do? So okay, if I say that, does that mean when I go to phase one of maps and a ballic, which is a more strength phase, what am I supposed to be in, cutting or bulking? Well, whatever you weren't in last. And that is what's going to serve you the most. And I highly recommend weaving in and out of both.

So, I think that's the takeaway from this. And I wanted this question because we get this a lot. We get a lot of questions. Yeah, this is definitely one of the most common questions that we get. And you know, anybody that's trying to sell you on an idea that oh, this way of eating is best for cutting or bulking. Even if they try and back it with some sort of science,

well, that becomes moot when you talk about what has that person been doing for the last six to eight weeks? Now, that's just one case. Right. Yeah, that's why it's always like, well, it depends. Like, it depends on what you've currently been doing, what, you know, you haven't introduced this new stimulus, like your body's gonna respond according to new stimulus

or things that, you know, maybe we need to explore more. So, yeah, you have to consider all. Yeah, and I know there's gonna be, there's an argument for, okay, if I wanna cut, then what I should do is I should do the rep range and style of workout that burns the most calories. I understand that argument, right? If I do, if I go 15 reps and I do a circuit,

or I do a super set with two exercises, or a giant set, which is three exercises or more I'm gonna burn more calories than if I do a bunch of straight sets at four reps You know with a with two-minute rest in between and that's true You will burn more calories, but that's not the whole story right the whole that's not the whole story at all Because you can make a case for the other side That's right and there's and this is the same argument I have when people say cardio is superior for fat burning them weights.

Because cardio burns more calories than weights does for sure. I don't give a fuck what you do with weights. You can burn more calories with cardio. Trust me. Like running will burn more calories in 30 minutes than an hour of weight training. It's just true. You would have to get real, real creative with your weights to burn as many calories as running.

But the difference is resistance training sends a signal to get real, real creative with your weights to burn as many calories as running. But the difference is, which this resistance training sends a signal to your body to speed your metabolism up and to build muscle, whereas cardio eventually will send the signal to slow your metabolism down. So now back to the other question, the point that I made about the, you know, doing more reps for more calories. It does, but if your body is used to that adeptate, that, that rep range, if your body is used to high reps all the time, you're just burning more calories and you stop sending that muscle building single. You may actually start to achieve a slower metabolism as a result of that. And after about five to six weeks, those high reps, even though they burn more calories, result in you burning less calories throughout the rest of your day,

which is most of the day, right? Because you're not, you work out for an hour, you've got 23 hours of the day just sitting there. You'd want to fast from a tablet. This is why a 200 pound, you know, body builder, or 180 pound male body builder guy that lifts weights properly is going to burn more calories on a daily basis than a 100 and something pound guy that does running all day long, that runs 20, 30 miles a week. He may burn more calories,

or even may be burn the same amount of calories at the absolute least, but he's not moving nearly, he's not have to. He's got a fast metabolism. Not to mention that, and something that Dr. Carrahal talked about a little bit, Cabral, Cabral, right? What he talked about the other day too,

is that there's a genetic piece that plays a role here too. Some people, if you have a more ectomorph body type, you may find that when you train in a certain phase, feeding yourself a certain way, is more advantageous versus a different body type. So this is why, and I know everyone's always looking for us, which I know that's one of the things, the knock on mind pump, as we always say, depends.

Right. But that's the fucking truth. The truth is it always does depend. And so if you're looking for a more clear cut answer or direction to give, this is what I would tell a client. I would say, listen, follow one of the maps programs. There's three phases in maps, and a ball, for example, in phase one, run a cut, and phase two, run a ball, and phase three, run a cut, in phase two, run a bulk, in phase three,

run a cut, and then come back through the program and do the exact opposite. Yeah. Like that would be my recommendation for you, and then see how your body responds, how you feel, what you like about it, and there's going to, you're going to find out, no matter who the fuck you are, there's going to be pros and cons on both. Oh, yeah. You're going to find out that running through a strength phase phase one on a cut, it might perform as it's going to drop substantially.

Your performance, you may not hit PRs, you may not be the strongest time, but you might see that you lean out better than you've ever leaned out before and you held on to more muscle. Right. And then the flip is true. Now go through a phase one, feed the fuck out of yourself, and you go, oh shit, looks like I didn't lean out as much in that phase one, but that was the strongest and you added more muscles. So you're gonna see pros and cons,

you're gonna see a genetic difference. The best thing that you could possibly do is actually to play with this and track it and pay attention to it, which again goes back to why we phased our programs what we did is not because it's the only way to program, but because it's a great way for you to measure things like this and then go back and say, oh, this is what works really well with my body.

Next question is from the Maple Leaf Man. What would you say is the most important muscle or muscle group for peak athletic performance? The glutes, not even close. Besides the heart, right? Yeah, let's give you the number one muscles that are without of your dead. You need that one. even close. Besides the heart, right? Yeah, the number one muscle's on. Hard without of your dead. But the glutes.

It's gotta be the hips. Yeah, it's gotta be the muscle that works. I was gonna say tongue, but oh well. Yeah, it depends on well. Well, let it perform. No, it's gonna be, whoa. In our sport of podcasting, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can have a strong mouth. Yeah, glutes though, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is, he who has the biggest glutes usually is the most powerful of the field. I mean, I've noticed that, like just in my own athletic career,

it's like, you know, I'm always worried about that guy who's got that, you know, center of gravity, that power, like, you know, you could tell by just these horse legs, like what you're in for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're, it's funny. Like if I see somebody, I don't know if you got, you guys can do this too, I'm sure, where you can pick out, like when you see people, you know, in the crowd, like, okay, they work out, that's

an athlete. Oh, that person over there, you can tell is actually legit strong. Oh, you have a hip swagger to them, you know, because they're moving them big ass glutes when they walk. You can just see, like, oh yeah, he or she squats and I bet is explosive just by ass obliques. I would say, I was just going to say, I would say, I was just gonna say, I would say, if I, okay, so glutes I agree with you. If I were to extend it out, I would say glutes back.

So really strong, mid back in particular, shoulders, and then obliques, those are the muscles that you see very developed and that difference between the three of those would really be the sport that we're talking about. Right, because if we're talking about a swimmer, peak athletic performance is nothing to do with their ass. Yeah, at all. They have small asses. Yeah, right, very hard to have small asses.

They don't need it. Yeah, that's drag for them. It would be advantageous to have a big ass and be a swimmer. Have you seen the proportions of Michael Phelps? Yeah, it's crazy. All torso. Yeah, he's got such a long torso, super long arms,

really, really short legs and he's got no butt whatsoever. He's like a big canoe. So, yeah, so peak athletic performance, that's a general statement. And I think the general answer is glutes, unless we're getting into very specific type of sports, like swimming or so like that, then it'd be way more advantageous to have a powerful back and absolutely no ass, but for most all field sports, ice hockey, like anything that requires your legs and running, which is most sports. Yeah, which is most sports is I'm going to argue and say that glutes is the number one. And then again, like you said, I mean, obelisks, I can see like strength athletes and where you're having to stabilize heavyweight or rotational movements.

Well throwing and swing even, yeah, even just punching. Like being able to apply ground forces properly, you need really strong legs and a strong stabilized core. So, you know, that's all gonna be a contributing factor to like a powerful athlete. And having power and being able to summon power is really the game when it comes to athletics and be able to control that process.

This is something that I really lacked as a kid and my knowledge now of fitness, I wish I had that because I put no energy and focus. I'm built more like a Michael Phelps and I was a basketball player. And I wish I trained my legs, I wish I trained my glutes, I understood the importance of that in early age.

It makes me really wonder like, man, if I would have applied that in high school, how good would I have been? I mean, I didn't really dunk a basketball till after I stopped playing basketball. That's crazy. I was a basketball player all my entire life as a kid. I didn't find the explosiveness

until I started weight training. And it blew my long legs. Yeah, boom. And I was and I wasn't even doing it for sports. I was just squatting because I was part of my bodybuilding, quote, unquote, routine. And the next thing you know, I'm able to get above the rim and dunk the ball in it. The fuck, man, how do I apply this knowledge to myself as a young kid growing up in sports? Fuck, who knows? How good about basketball players? It It's funny when they talk about athletes, when you look at the traditional sports, and they say, there was this one documentary I saw

where they said, who is the world's best all around athlete, like the top, cyclist, runner, swimmer, boxer, wrestler, whatever, and they compared them all. The one athlete that had the worst performance in other sports was the swimmer, because what makes you good in the water, it's specialized. What makes you good in the water

makes you terrible on land, right? You want a long torso, short legs, skinny legs, skinny, you know, not big hips, long arms, or whatever. And it makes you kind of awkward on land, but in the water it makes you very, it makes you amazing. And then flip it, the athletes that, you know, really great in their sports, they, but in the water, it makes you amazing. And then flip it, the athletes that, you know, really great in their sports, they're terrible in the water because they weren't built.

They're like sunk. They weren't built for the water. Yeah, I think that was terrible. Really? I still think. The best, I think some of the best athletes are like wrestlers. I really do. Wrestlers and boxers seem to be very, very well-rounded.

Yeah. In terms of just overall, you know, well, yeah, because they, I mean, you just look at the sport, like how involved their entire body is in that process, right? So they have to be able to be multi-faceted on every single angle they have to be strong. And so yeah, I would definitely echo like a wrestler or somebody, like a gymnast or something like that.

Yeah, and you need just posterior chain in general. Sports, if you have a really strong posterior chain, it's going to make you explosive off the line. It's going to make you reactive. You're going to be able to move faster and change direction better if you have a very powerful posterior chain. The irony of it is, you know, when especially when we were kids,

the exercise that everybody focused on was bench press, which of the big compound movements has probably least carry over. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a lineman for football. I mean, it's really. No reason for it. I would then shoulder over a better way to do it. Overhead press. That's what I would overhead press or incline press. Yeah. I would far better than higher on. I think, and I think it's... I think an overhead press or a push press because when you're pushing off the line, you're not... Regiate or whatever.

So technically the end climb bench was designed for football. Inclined. Was it really? Yeah, because when you look at the angle for alignment to come up and explode up and hit somebody in the chest, you're pushing your arms up.

And so it's literally the angle. So that's where the 45 degree angle bench came from for a bench press. You know what the original incline bench press was like, but it looked like. It didn't have a rack, so it was an incline. Oh, you had to clean it. You had to clean the weight and then lay back on it.

Lay back on it. And then press. You know, and now it's all racked up. How ironic is it that that would probably serve us better today to have to do that? Because then you would less injury risk, right? is that that would probably serve us better today. Of course. To have to do that. Because then you would less injury risk, right? Because you're not some young kid who actually has a big strong chest or whatever, he's not

going to be able to clean 315 pounds to set back on the pitch so he'd have to. And then think of how much that would have to develop that, the control that you'd have to have to get there. Like, it's funny how we do things. We evolve some things in the pursuit of thinking that it's going to improve or be a better thing But in reality probably set us backwards probably better for bodybuilding obviously, but even bodybuilding Ben Pekolsky in his gym He has an incline like that which I think is superior for dumbbell press because you got a clean dumbbells anyways

Yeah, I love his is incline because you're kind of standing You're not sitting on anything. You're standing, you're just leaning back. That felt amazing. And Ben is a very good example of how we should train as bodybuilders. I mean, he's very big and if you can't control the weight through the entire range of motion, you have no business lifting it. So if you ever watch, you know, his lifting, in fact, he's one of the few body builder guys that I've ever seen, like really adhere to, you know, tempos and good rep ranges in keeping that muscle tension, the entire way through the entire movement. Next question is from Moore Jojo.

I've been at the same big box gym for six years and many of the personal trainers have been training the same clients for at least that long and their clients don't seem to have made much physical progress. Is it common to have clients who struggle to make progress compared to the transformations we see on social media? Do the clients and trainer play an equal role in making or not making progress? I thought this was a really cool question to talk about because one, it made me really reminisce training clients

on a daily basis and having clients that were with me for years and years and really didn't see a lot of great. Do you remember the growth that came from that? Do you remember when you had to realize like, oh, I can't just make people change all the time. Remember that shit? That was a big one for me. Yeah, no.

I mean, there was a lot of growth that happened for me here one Along the lines of what you're saying and then too also, you know, I wouldn't consider myself a great programmer back then You know, I fell into the The way I would do a do a programmer write a program for a client was based off of creativity or do a program or write a program for a client was based off of creativity. It was, you know, how can I, I mean, I definitely subscribe to the Craig Kaperso box, which is everything is, you know,

workout programs are like ice cream flavors, you know, and everybody has their favorite flavor, and it's just all about uniqueness and trying different shit. And, you know, that was part of the problem. That was part of the reason why my clients didn't see, you know see incredible results across the board. Now I'm saying that knocking myself,

I was still a very successful trainer. I still had lots of people with transformations. Yeah, I had to put a fun being honest, a good majority of them, more than half of them didn't see great results, yet I had them for years. And so part of that is what Sal was saying. I agree, and then another part of that was just being, and not that great of a trainer

because as I got further into my career, what I did find was saying, I agree. And then another part of that was just being, not that great of a trainer because as I got further into my career, what I did find was, even if I couldn't get a client to adhere to the nutrition piece, even if they were all over the fucking board eating wise, because that's the thing, you can't control that as a trainer, you can't control the other 23 hours a day that they are not with you.

And if they have their own emotional issues with food and they have a bad relationship with food, that even if you are programming the best and their goals will lose weight, they may never lose weight. But where the most growth happened, especially for me as a trainer, because you have to really understand

that these are human behaviors that are ingrained every day. Like people outside of the gym, the gym is really, it's a place where, These are human behaviors that are ingrained every day. People outside of the gym, the gym is really, it's a place where I have a certain amount of control. I have a control over this hour that I have with this person. I prided myself in that. I always was, as a young trainer, it was all about the results, the results, the end goal, the goal driven.

100% was trying to, you know, show that like my worth as a trainer is what my clients look like, you know, and like how much success they're getting. And, you know, the growth in that is realizing, yes, you did have a percentage that would look awesome. And you make a lot of progress, but then there'd be the other clients that your same methods did not apply to them, did not work,

and you were not making any progress. And fuck, what's wrong with me? What's wrong with them? You know, now I turn my energy on there, the ones failing, and I have to like, fire them, or I have to, you know, address this because it's hurting my business, where you know, you have to understand that they're just a different place in life

and then there's way more variables involved. So, you know, as I grow as a trainer, I have to learn my methods and my approach with them has to change. There's a big problem. This is a big challenge with trainers. The big challenge is not understanding the priorities. Okay, so every trainer thinks that the priority is to get their client to lose weight, get ripped, build muscle, build strength, whatever. It's actually not true. That's not your priorities as a trainer. That's one of the priorities, but that's not the top priority. The top priority as a trainer is to get your client to develop a lifetime relationship with fitness, exercise, and health. That's number one.

The nutrition. And nutrition, all that. That's number one. Then everything else comes underneath that. Your goal is to get that person to develop a lifestyle that now includes fitness, that includes eating properly, that includes eating properly, that includes self-awareness with health,

that includes prioritizing their own health, all those things. Now, what does that look like? That's a fucking long process sometimes. And you know what ends up happening? Because there's this attitude that a lot of trainers have, that ruins, it fucks them and it screws up clients, where they get a client and they're like,

I'm gonna get you fit whether you like it or not. And if you don't get fit, we're gonna have these come to Jesus talks every, you know, whatever. And we're gonna sit down and I'm gonna be like, hey, why aren't you losing weight? What have you been eating? Show me your food locks.

You're the one that, and they hammer the shit. And I know some clients think that that's what they want. And I know some trainers think that that's their job. But the reality is, the big reality is, you're gonna be extremely unsuccessful long term in getting anybody to really make life long-tank. It's so reflective to parenting. It's exactly like a hundred percent reflective to parenting

in that you're trying to teach these people to fish. You can't just do everything for them and hammer them. Hammer them about it, everything they're doing wrong or you have to just plant seeds and you plant these seeds for them to, oh wow, you know, someday that seed is gonna open up and it's gonna turn into this idea that they had

and you're like, yes, finally. The greatest testament for me it was, was after training people for six, seven, eight, nine, 10, some of them 12 years, and then not training anymore, as I can still talk to them right now, call them and I do, I stay in contact, obviously, I've known these people forever, and guess what they're still doing? They're still working out, okay? Because what you'll find a lot of time in, what you'll find a lot of times is trainers

will train a client for six months, a client will be gone, and this is a majority, there's a majority of clients, and they never worked worked out again or they're spotty with it or they never made those changes. That's how you know you fail. Well, this is a small commercial break here. This is also what, why I knew that you were on to something so special when you first sent over, when you and Doug were, and this is five years ago now,

when you sent me over the first, you know, a MAPSANabolic prototype of what you were creating. And, you know, what I saw right away was the first program in my opinion that was really speaking to the masses instead of this niche group of, or echo chamber of trainers that were putting out programs that really spoke only to other trainers, right?

With this crazy elaborate five to seven day a week program is like none of my I had what like one percent of my clients would ever follow something like that long term and you know a program that where somebody could potentially only work out two days in a week, You know and see change like what would that look? And let's first get them to commit to that. Let's first get them to commit to a two day a week, full body type of routine and get them to execute the most important movements that will have the most amount of carryover into their everyday life and their body composition,

which was exactly what you had created in Rome. I thought, fuck yes, dude, this is what the industry was missing instead of all this crazy shit that's being put out there that really is only for a small piece. And now look where we're going now, which I love about what we're doing. It's like that doesn't mean that there's not a place for map split or a place for map strong, which are a much more narrow demographic of people, people that have gone through all the foundational type of training and built a good relationship with exercise and their consistent. And now, which is a very small or amount of people, nobody was really speaking to the masses on like how they should train.

And that's just the training piece. And then you talk about what we talk about with nutrition. You know, everybody wants to talk about getting in their little boxes and their camps of, oh, it's paleo, it's ketogenic, oh, it veggin, it's vegan, oh it's like wait a second. Yeah, drink more water. Right. Right. Let's start there.

Right. There's so many things that people just need to relax for a minute and let's talk about the majority of people that we had to train in our career and it's like, you know, that stuff is way beyond what they need as far as information right now. And I want to be clear, this doesn't mean that you're, you know, this, you baby your clients or you treat them like idiots. I was, I'm very honest. So if my client comes in and I'm training them for three years and he originally hired me to lose 30 pounds and he's only lost five and the topic comes up, I'm going to be very, we're going gonna have a very honest conversation.

I would say, hey, look, John, I know your original goal is loose three pounds and you're frustrated. I think you know why you're not losing that 30 pounds. There's a lot of things that you're not doing. Now, if you want to get that weight off, we can do that. Here's what you need to do,

but if you don't do it, at least you're working out, but here's the information you know where the responsibility lies. I'm very, just like Justin said, just like you are with your kids. You be very straight, very honest. I'm not bullshitting. I'm not telling somebody,

hey, great job, you didn't lose any way. No, hey, great job, you showed up, you're here working out. You know, there's this one client that I wish I could take back. I wish I could take back how poorly I handled her, and this was early in my career where that I thought, literally, my job was, I'm gonna fucking get you

in shape no matter what. And this means I'm gonna have to be an asshole sometimes. And this woman, you know, she was working out with me and she wasn't losing weight and she wasn't losing weight. I trained her husband and her husband kind of ratter out, oh, last night she had cupcakes and last night she did this. And she was kind of not being honest with me

about her nutrition. So I sat her down and I basically ripped into her I told her, I'm not going to train you if you fucking don't take this seriously because my job is getting you in shape and you wanted to hire me and this is what you hired me for, but she never came back and I felt so proud of myself that I blew this woman out the door because I wasn't going to fucking have somebody hire me and not do what I tell them. And then I thought about it and I said, wow. What did you do for her?

Yeah, she's probably no break through the habit. She's probably nothing. She's probably not working out at all now. At least before she was coming to the gym two days a week and at least I could have probably bought myself more time to slowly help her make those fundamental changes. Because what are we talking about when we're talking about exercise?

Let's break that down for a second. When you're talking about activity and exercise, you're talking about anywhere between two to four days a week of structured exercise. On top of that, you're talking about a more active lifestyle. That is a huge commitment and change to your everyday life, okay? Now, let's talk about nutrition. We even more difficult. I'm telling you, I had to change something

that is a fundamental part of your identity. I'm telling you to change it completely. You think that's gonna happen in three months? No, that should take a long fucking time. Sometimes it takes me five years with working with a client. This is why. It's the behavior.

This is why I love having the staff that we have now. It's really exciting for me. Yesterday I was training Taylor and Inzo and I was teaching them a Turkish get up. And one of the things I love having, especially Taylor, because Taylor, Inzo is definitely die hard mind pump fan,

listens every episode. He follows all the programs to a tee, he's seen great transformations, he had to put Taylor, I love to talk to because he is not an exercise guy. He is not a workout, lift weights like that. He's in great shape. He's very disciplined when it comes to his eating habits. He doesn't, he bad.

He keeps himself in good shape, but he has no desire to be muscular and look a certain way. He's just not that. So I love talking to him because, you know, he's, he, to me, represents more of the majority than talking to one of ourselves. So, one of us, there's like echo chamber talking about fitness and shit like that. So yesterday, I'm teaching him a Turkish get up. And I was explaining to him why this is such a great movement.

And I said, you know, and what you'll hear from some of our friends and peers is they will crack on this movement because it's, you know, if you're a bodybuilder, it's lame. If you're a strength athlete, it's under, it's overrated and pointless. There's better movements. But what I was telling him, I said, there's so many little parts to this movement that is so great.

And it's a skill that what is great is you can come to the gym one day and literally do Turkish get-ups all day. Like, you're whole entire workout. Just Turkish get-ups all day. Like, you're your whole entire workout. Just Turkish get-ups. Like, practice the mechanics, break down all the steps like I did with you, and you actually will have a pretty damn good workout like that. Like, it incorporates the entire body, and I said for someone like you, and he said, he's

chimed in, and he goes, man, I love when you teach me things like this because he's like, you know, sometimes as much as I love maps, sometimes I just don't feel like even doing the whole program, like, you know, and what should I do in days like that? And I said, you know, this is a good example of, you know, going to the gym doesn't have to be so over complicated. It doesn't have to be so razzle dazzle and these exercises are better than it's like, there's a handful of great movements, Turkish getups being one of them, squats, deadlifts, overhead pressing, that hey, there's nothing wrong with going to the gym for the day and working on that movement.

And just taking your time, the entire workout and performing the exercise and getting great at the mechanics, I think that I wish I would have thought like that as a trainer, you know, 10, 15 years ago when I first started because I think I would have thought like that as a trainer, you know, 10, 15 years ago when I first started because I think I would have changed way more lives than being the trainer who had eight to 12 exercises ready to go when they came in and I said, let's do this and you know, they sweat like crazy and they talk about how sore they were.

And I'm like, what did I really teach this person? And what are they really going, one, what I was doing was I was really trying to set myself up for a sale I was trying to make a workout so complicated that they felt the need to have me and buy more for me instead of ironically You got less clients because right where I think that if I could if I would could go back I would talk to some of these clients and I would teach moves like this that are so beneficial Have carryover and it doesn't seem so daunting.

And that's what Taylor was saying is this like, man, this is really cool. You mean I could just do this for a workout? Like fuck, yes, you could do this for a workout and you're winning if you do. That's funny, you bring that up. I actually caught on to that towards the end of my career just as far as learning a skill and developing that skill

and what that really teaches you in terms of cognitive function and how that applies to your job and how focus is a major part of working out as well and being able to be present and go through that process and learn and acquire a new skill, what that does for the client's confidence, what that, what carryover that has in their everyday life, getting stronger and moving their body in a particular way that they've never done before, and just highlighting those attributes and getting people to really buy into that as well as just losing weight and just looking a certain way.

Well, that and the other thing that was big for me, and I talk a lot on the show about, just teaching a client to understand how much they move in a day. Like the step counter thing was like, boom, just mind blowing for me. I will change someone's life more by making them aware of their lack of movement through the day and teaching

them small ways to create more movement through the day, very, very small amount of more movement a day. And that, the carryover for that is far more beneficial for their overall journey than me writing this elaborate program. And that took me a really long time to figure that out. And of course, it took me a lot of Probably lives I didn't change and a lot of lives. I've now changed going forward and so I think as as trainers when you see this You know when especially when you're in a big box gym

Much of them are probably in their earlier parts of their career in the first 10 years and it really does take you know What is it? 5,000 or 10,000 hours before you're considered a mask. 10,000. Yeah, 10,000 hours before your, that's a lot of one-on-one clients before you're considered a mask from that. It absolutely took me that long because I needed to see enough people that I didn't really help trying to overcomplicate

the process of nutrition and exercise versus, wow, when I actually just focus on some of the things that are more similar or smaller that I can just get in the implement like South said drinking water or taking a few more steps or taking a move like the Turkish get up or the squat and just getting good at that. Like, and if I could just get that through to these people, I would impact their lives. You are their guide and your job is to guide them towards a lifestyle that is incorporates more activity, fitness, better nutrition on their own. That is really the goal. And if you do that, you'll impact someone forever. And what I love about this most is when you meet

other trainers who've been in the business for 10 or 15 years who are successful that entire time, they all come to this exact same conclusion every single time. You need a trainer who's been training for a year or two and they all sound like we did early on. No, no, we're fuck, I'm super motivating and I love yelling at my clients and I get them all sore and make them sweat.

And Suzy lost 50 pounds, you know, like five weeks. Yeah, wait a minute, whoa, not at all. Yeah, yeah, not at all. So check this out. If you go to mindpumpfree.com, you can check out any of our free guides. The newest guide that we have out is how to squat like a pro. Go check it out. MindPumpFree.com.

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