Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 894: The Perfect Amount of Cardio for Muscle Growth, Getting Your Body to Build and Not Just Recover, Relieving Tight Hips & MORE

Episode Date: November 3, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how someone can get out of the breakdown/recovery trap, what powerlifters can do to relieve tight hips, if it is possible to out-eat cardio and can gain muscle and if obesity is a disease and not a lifestyle choice. What were the worst nicknames the guys have been called? (4:25) Adam’s worst bullying experience. How people’s actions reflect the opposite, mutual combat law & getting in fights. (6:00) Making smoothies healthy again, Butcher Box owned company: Smoothie Box. (20:07) How the consumer has become much more educated when it comes to supplements. Mind Pump speculates on the future of the industry, transparency in companies like Organifi, tips to be an excellent trainer & MORE. (25:25) #Quah question #1 - How can you get out of the breakdown/recovery trap? (42:33) #Quah question #2 – Tips for powerlifters to relieve tight hips? (53:57) #Quah question #3 - It is possible to out-eat cardio and can gain muscle? (1:00:56) #Quah question #4 - Thoughts on if obesity is a disease and not a lifestyle choice? (1:11:35) People Mentioned: Rich Gaspari (@richgaspari)  Instagram Joe Donnelly (@joedonnellyfit)  Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere ½ off!!  **Code “WHITE50” at checkout** Smoothie Box **Get $25 OFF your first box if you sign up today!** Organifi **20% off order** What is the status of mutual combat in the USA? Video: Seattle Cops Allow 'Mutual Combat' - News - POLICE Magazine Butcher Box  **FREE Bacon,2 Ribeye, $10 Off + Free Shipping on Your First Order!** Mind Pump Episode 892: Rich Gaspari MAPS Fitness Products Mind Pump TV - YouTube Improve Your Squat Mobility using Bulgarian Squats | MIND PUMP Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pong! Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! For the first 38 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. First, we start out by talking about Adam's bully experience. Oh, yeah.

I was not bullying. Poor guy. Maybe I was. Then we talk about Seattle's mutual combat law. I wish I would have known about this. Apparently in Seattle, you can just throw down with someone as long as there's a few rules to be met. And I challenge you to a Fist of Cops.

You will make it in trouble. Then we talk about smoothie box. Yes, smoothie box. Now, this is a company that is owned by butcher box. They send you a box of smoothie pouches and you make them yourself and they contain collagen proteins, vegetables, fruits, actually quite healthy.

Now we're not totally sponsored by them, so it's a short sponsorship, but we wanted you guys to try them out because we liked them so much. So go to your feedback. Go to smoothiebox.com, smothe.iebox.com-for-slash-minepump, and you'll get $25 off your first box. There's three flavors,

cacao, green, and clementina. Clementina. Then we talk about when you should add supplements. When should you add supplements? And there we mention, organifier, other sponsor. If you go to organify.com-s-minepump and use the code,

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Go check out their things, giving the ill and free shipping on your first order. Then we get to the questions. The first question is, how can you get out of the breakdown recovery trap? Break down recovery trap. This is when you work out and get real sore, let your body recover, go back to the gym, get real sore, no progress, nothing's happening, you're trapped. How do you get out of it?

Next question was, how would we help people with tight hips in particular power lifters? Of course power lifters, all those athletes that try to lift maximum weight in three lifts, bench press, squat and deadlift, of course, squat and deadlift require strong hips. Which should they do to increase mobility in that area? The next question is for someone who enjoys doing a lot of cardio, can you just eat more

food to add more muscle because we all know that too much cardio can prevent your body from gaining muscle? Can you just eat more calories? Is that the way to fix it? And the next question, this person is studying in college, they're studying nutrition. And they've been taught that obesity is a disease rather than a lifestyle choice. What is our opinion on that? Oh yeah, it's a good time.

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So again, maps anywhere 50% off, go to mapswhite.com and use the code white50. That's white, the number 50, no space, at checkout for 50% off. What was the worst nickname you were called? Let's see, quarter. Is that yours? Yeah, that was one of mine.

Quarter Mexican. Oh, I used to call it quarter. Damn. Yeah, yeah. Spit, quarter, Dominican. I used to be called like that. You were Dominican? Yeah.

People, you know, kids, kids are stupid. They don't know what to say. Yeah, they always call me ghost. Yeah. Ghosty? Yeah, because I was so, and they'd pasty and you know, shit, like I'll really get that because I've just, you know, take my shirt off go to the pool and they'd be like, ah, yeah, yeah, I was very

transparent. You know, I, you looking back now is an adult. And of course, when you're a kid, you don't like it, right? Of course, no kid likes it going through But as an adult I look back and I go yeah, it's probably the best thing that ever happened to me Yeah, being teased like that me. I mean I had it so bad that I was pulled out of school, bro Like I got in fights every day. Oh, wow. So my eighth grade year. I was homeschool. Well, there's there's definitely that's like Bull that was bro. I was in I was bullied to the point of fighting, you know, groups of people, because

I was getting picked on. Like that, that aggressively, yeah. Yeah. You know, I had three, four dudes, like fucking pelting me with snowballs and shit like that and like, you know, I'm gonna fucking take it. Yeah. You know, so I would go defend myself and then I'd get drummed and be getting it. And they didn't stop it, they just keep coming.

Yeah, I kept coming. Yeah. There was enough, there was enough in the school. And they didn't stop it, they just keep coming up. Yeah, it kept coming. Yeah. There was enough, there was enough in the school. And of course, usually it stops it, but in a situation like that, it's not. Well, what happened to me that why it was accelerated? So first of all, if you, You're annoying?

Yeah, no. Totally not. So I've shared on the podcast before that I, you know, I grew up in nine different homes as a kid. I think I lived in a total of 13 by the time I was 17. And one of the years we moved out to Colorado. I was in, this was seven, going to eighth grade. So in eighth grade, I was in Colorado.

And before that, I was able to all move into a new town and make friends relatively fast. I mean, I think that's attributed to my social skills now and my ability to build relationships, obviously, is stemmed from that. And I never had a problem. I mean, I was, you know, would come in, the school is the new kid and before long,

I was one of the popular kids and never had a problem until I moved to Colorado. When we moved to Colorado, you know, they just don't like people from California, California kid. Now what accelerated that was I played basketball and I was good. And I moved to a, there they had middle school,

six, seventh and eighth together. Yeah, one of the starters, let me guess. Starting point card, who was like the most popular kid in school. That's the second worst thing you could do. Yeah, most worst would have been, yeah, most popular kid in school, dated the hottest girl in school.

I was the new kid on the bar. You come to target right away. And I came in and I just, and I really wasn't that much better than him. The coaches like me because I fucking worked hard and practiced it. I just, I was one of the kids that was never really gifted. And I consider myself athletic,

but I worked to be athletic. I just, I was not gifted. I didn't touch a ball and just like, oh, I was so good or super fast or whatever, but I worked to be athletic. I just, I was not gifted. I didn't touch a ball. I was like, oh, so good or super fast or whatever, but I worked really hard. I would have the attitude that I would outwork anybody in practice. And most coaches that are good coaches, reward players that are like that, that hustle, that die on the floor, that would go the extra mile, that stay later. If there's equal talent, but you see this other kid really putting the work in, it's like a no brainer. And so I did, and I led the school and steals that year and assist.

And I was, you know, I was a point card. So I averaged between 12 to 20 points a game, which in middle school was good. And it was enough to take this kid starting position. And he just made my life miserable. So this was like, like months into the school year? Well, I mean, basketball season really starts right at the right. You're already starting in You know October, November. So it was after that that all the shit started happening. Yeah, once I had taken his start I mean, I had a little bit of teasing right out the gates because I was from California and I was I was teased for

You know, like people call me Mexican quarter, you know all kinds of different name I can't even remember half of them. And teasing wasn't a big deal to me, but it got to a point once I, you know, got to a point where I was like the starter and because it lunchtime too and breaks like we played basketball in the basketball courts. And so kids would get like, you know, kids that didn't like me would be really physical with me outside and the and fucking throw elbows and cheap shots and you know, we were in Colorado so there was snow a lot so they take snowballs and pack them hard and

fucking throw them at me and you know, just fucking with me like crazy and I'm not a kid that will you know, just fold and go cry in a corner and shit but it got to a point where I was you know, in the principal's office almost every day and I told my mom, like, fuck, they're fucking with me. Three guys pick on me, you expect me not to do anything. I didn't have my stepfather at that point, which wasn't the greatest of father figures. I didn't really have a great role model to teach me how to handle that. My mom did what most moms would probably do, which is take him out You know, yeah, took me at a school. You know took me at a school and homeschool me. How long were you at a school for the whole

Rest of the eighth grade year? So how like how long like how long into the year was like half the year? Yeah, about half the year because I wanted to finish basketball I love basketball so much that I was like I don't care about the picking and fighting and stuff that I want to play Like so I wanted to play until the season was over. I forget what in high school or middle school, what month basketball actually. That must have been hard, especially at that age. You're just at home. The only reason why it wasn't that hard was because I didn't have a lot of friends.

Anyways, there was new. It wasn't like I was missing my friends. The things that most kids would not like about being pulled out school, it didn't matter. Like school was war for me. Like going to school was getting into fights. This school was better, it was better. Right, it was better.

I mean, and once I wasn't playing basketball, then I really didn't care that much. I remember I hated Colorado because of that. Like, I just, you know, in general, like I hate the state. Oh my God, I don't like this place. It was beautiful, beautiful place to live. But I didn't like the people because of the end of course, that's an overgeneralization

and there's got a lot of great people in Colorado. Yeah, I can't handle that either. I can't handle trying to be bullied or punked or whatever. Even if you get over on me, because it happened to me in school too, I got a lot of fights in junior high in particular. Even if I did back down, which I did have to do once, and it's funny, I remember it the one time I had to back down.

It was because there were ten dudes and it was just me, but I went home and plotted my opportunity to get back. You know what I mean? So it wasn't like I was like, I back down, as I couldn't live with myself. And I was like, no, I'm going to fight him. And I'm going to find a time and an opportunity when he doesn't have his friends around, which is what I did. I found a time when he wouldn't know there was no friends around.

And I got, I wish I had a dad who probably would have coached me through there. Because it probably would have been better for me if I would just whooped the kids ass. Like found the kid, the main kid that was fun. Because of course, he actually wasn't the one who, I mean, he bullied for sure. He orchestrated more of it if that makes sense. Like, because he was a popular kid, it was a surprise to go.

Yeah, yeah, it was a shit that was. Yeah, exactly. He was, you know, he was a bitch. Like, he wasn't the one who was, who was getting in my face or doing things like that. It was like groups of other people that, because he was the cool kid, you know, would do anything that this kid would fucking say or do.

Isn't that funny? How ironic, like things are like like when people's actions many times reflect that they feel the opposite. So what I mean by that is like, like the Instagram people who show so much skin and show how hot they are all the time, the most typically very insecure bullies. I'm so tough. I'm going to punk like massive cowards. Usually they're massive cowards.

Totally. And it's just so funny. And you don't know that as a kid. That's why I wish gonna punk like massive cowards. Usually they're massive cowards. Totally, yeah. And it's just so funny, don't you? And you don't know that as a kid. That's why I wish that I had a dad who sat me down and was like son, what you don't know is this kid's a big pussy. Yeah, yeah. And that's the reason,

and he sees you as a threat. And that's why he is making your life miserable. And listen, you know, don't go out of your way to start a fight, don't do anything like that. But listen, if he runs his mouth and he starts a fight with you, you defend yourself. So I trained again, if I would have got that permission, it would have been a toilet,

because this is part of me too, I'm also raised in this, with this religious background where my family turned the other cheek, and that's what my mom is teaching me, right? And so I'm just supposed to, like, I'm not supposed to do anything about this, these kids are making my life miserable. And so I'm just supposed to like, I'm not supposed to do anything about this. These kids are making my life miserable. And so I'm like conflicted with,

oh fuck, I don't want to get in trouble at home, you know, for doing this. And then, and then I'll, at the same time too, I don't want to be a punk, you know. Do you know that, and I think it's in, I want to say it's in Seattle. I'm not 100% sure, maybe we can look this up, but there's a law.

It's called, I think it's called mutual combat law, if I'm not mistaken. So there's a law in a city in America, I can't remember which one it was, or maybe several cities, where let's say we're at a bar, and let's say Justin and I, we don't know each other and we're drinking,

and he bumps me and we start talking shit. We can go outside and say, let's fight. We can go outside, getting to fight so long as there's no weapons being used. It's just our hands or whatever. There's no excessive force. Like, I don't stomp on him or something like that. They're not going to take you off to drum tank. You don't get in trouble.

That's awesome. Yeah, and I can't remember the name of the law. I'd be Texas. No, I almost think it's, maybe you can look it up, Doug. It's called mutual combat law or something like that. I want to see with the Oh, yeah, it is mutual combat. So what does that say? What the where where that is I want to see with Seattle it is Seattle Wow, that surprises me. I like that place more. Yeah Yeah, so it says here

It's what are the what does it say here that you both parties agree beforehand to mutual combat It's like it is like old school Western day like a draw dude You know what I let me tell you why I agree with this a hundred percent I'll tell you why if if there's two people that agreed to a fight and they agree to the conditions of the fight So we're gonna fight here you and I hands, hands, we're not gonna use weapons. Right. Someone hits the ground. No fighting. Let him go. Someone says they give up. Let him go. And then we're gonna fight. And then that's it. Like, it's on you. The dude breaks your face, you know, breaks your jaw. Right. You can't sue him. You can't, you know what I mean? That's

it. Well, I love it because then it's, it's, it's crazy. Anyone who's been in enough fights to know that like, it's crazy how much it kind of resolved it. It's weird. So I remember this kid when I was in high school, he was a wrestler and I was a basketball player. So wrestlers and basketball players just typically was like oil and water. You know, and we had a share, we had to share the gymnasium. Is that why?

Yeah, so basketball, basketball players and wrestlers run at the same time as season. And so if you're a wrestler, you're a locker room wrestler. You should a locker room together, the gym, Jay's in you're right, you're a locker room. Right. Exactly. You should lock them together. The gym, Jay's him together. If you're a wrestler, you used to think the basketball players are

pussy's at the pussy sport. You can't wrestle and fight if you're, oh, it was worse with football soccer players. Exactly. No, no, totally. It's the same thing. It's the same thing, right? They share the field. It runs around the same time in the same, same year and stuff.

And I had this kid who just just fuck him and his crew of people just did not like my friends and basketball players and he just constantly was starting fights with me at school. And I'm definitely the kid that was raised to another cheek and so I would not want to fight. No, I don't want to fight. I mean, this kid for half a year probably just made my life miserable with fucking with me and just things

from throwing shit at my car and doing things to my locker and just fucking with me for a long time. And it got to a point one time where we were at a party and the huge scene happened and fucking we left the party. And I'm like, I keep dodging this guy. I was like, I finally got just so fed up. I said, you know what I said, the next time this dude fluxes with me, we're gonna fight and he rolled up to a party

one time before, the reasons to fight. And we agreed. I said, listen, go to the park. I don't wanna get in trouble where someone's house is not meet me at the park and fly like half the school showed up, it was crazy. Somewhere there's videotapes and photos of this whole thing because it was so big.

And I met him down the park and I walked the shit out of him, dude, and it was afterwards, it was like so fucking nice. Like he was cool with me. I'm saying didn't fuck with me no more. It was like, we were fine when we saw each other on campus. Like it was like, it made, I had this, I had anxiety for half the year at school. Yeah.

Because I never knew like, oh my, past this dude, we're gonna get into it. It is really interesting how you get a resolve from that aren't we having I Thought we are like looking into having the the bear knuckle boxing guy. Yeah, there's a league Fascinates me an actual legal league. So it's the first sanctioned bear knuckle boxing league and so we are trying to get the Founder yeah on the show to talk about it. But it's funny too because what a lot of people don't realize is when you get in a situation where it's confrontation,

then you step outside, everybody knows you're about to fight many times that people don't want to. Because the reality is most people are cowards and what they want to do is either surprise you by hating you when you're not looking or just intimidate you. but then when you go out and you make it like, okay, we're gonna do this and everybody knows and here we go, two of us fair,

no friend, nobody's joking. Most people are actually quite intimidated. That's so rare, yeah, that you're gonna get that. Most of the times I had to end up getting into fires because somebody cheap-shyped me. Those are cowards. Yeah, I could not stand that. That was like such a, if you have a problem, let's do this.

That was always, it's like a code. I don't think violence is, I'm not a proponent of violence at all. I'm actually quite anti-violence. But here's a deal, if something's gonna need to get handled that way, then let's do it in a way where you and I and no one else, and then we handle it,

and then what we're done, we're done, and that's it. But most people don't want to do that because they're- I didn't even do that. I don't know how long existed, that's cool. Isn't that cool? You know why? You know why I know that? I know that because there was a video on, I don't remember what it was, it was on YouTube

a long time ago where two guys were getting a fight in the streets and the cops were just watching. And it was because they had Consented to this fight See there it is right there. They had consented to it and said it's mutual combat and the cops said okay You know that you're you know you guys are both allowing this you guys you know this said yes We do and they got and into the fight and that was it. Wow. How great is that? Oh, so okay? So you see the guy right there dressed up in the costume. Yeah. So that guy roll, that's the guy thinks he's a superhero that fights crime all time. He roams the streets

and he tries to make the streets safer by helping people out if they feel. He doesn't seek out violence or anything like that. But in this particular situation, a guy is starting crap with him, wants to fight him, wants to fight him. So fight him So finally says fine. We can do mutual combat But what the guy doesn't know is the superhero looking weird dude is like a train MMA fighter Oh, yeah He was actually he was actually quite merciful the way he did it Yeah, no this when I was a kid getting a fight you to stress me out so bad But it's funny because the thing that stressed me out wasn't the fear of the of the fight like I didn't care about like

Getting hurt. Yeah, the owns Lee Nindu. It was all about the like you don't want to look like an idiot You don't want to get you know me. You don't want people to see get beat up or whatever right so anyway Oh, so he was making racist comments to him. That's what it says. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, whatever. But it's funny because you got you got He got his ass kicked because he did not what he was. Oh man. I mean, I've been around a lot of situations where I've seen the the underdog guy Just whoop somebody's ass before it's great. Oh, you tell head movement. He's the leg kicks. He opens with the leg kick You're fuck. Yeah, you know, the guy opens up the leg kick. You better run. Yeah You're fucked. Yeah. You know, the guy who opens up the link,

he better run, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, not to change the topics with, but I wanna mention that smoothie, was it that Doug brought us up? Oh no, but so butcher box, I did not know this, right? So Taylor brought this to me like,

I think it's brilliant. A couple months ago, butcher box has got another company that they have. I had no idea that they were the same, or not the same has got another company that they have. I had no idea that they were the same or not the same, but another company that they own, which is Smoothiebox. And it's similar type of business model as the butcherbox. And he brings it in and I said, well, what the guys try it? I don't know if anyone's going to be into smoothies in this and that, but I said,

I'm assuming if it's from butcher box, it's gonna be from a clean source and more than likely, that is gonna be in line, I imagine, as far as like in line with us, the question is, is this shit gonna be any good? Yeah, and Doug went ahead and made a bunch of these different examples for us, man. I was like, wow, just the texture and the taste

and the mouth feel, even what was your favorite one? My favorite one was actually the green one. It had like avocado in it. Oh, I like the orange one the best. Yeah, that was so smooth. They were all good though. That's what I was impressed with.

Is there like these pre-portioned pouches that you blend, the really, really good quality healthy? They come with collagen protein as well. So sometimes when you get smoothies, it's like, it's just fruit. Yeah. But like the green one, like you said, that one's got spinach, avocado, pineapple. It's got the grass-fed collagen protein, lemon juice,

pineapple juice, you know, water, ginger, dates, flaxseed, whatever. When you look at the macros, and this is what I like about it, so you blend up this smoothie, a green smoothie, two hundred and ninety calories, 12 grams of fat, 26 grams of carbs, 21 grams of protein. It's a, it's a, it's, it's not bad at all. That's a, that's a good amount of protein. No, when they taste

really good and they're really smooth, I'm, I'm going to do this with my kids. No, they have a cacao on too. So the cacao one was really good. I mean, I liked all three of them. The orange one, are you so small? That one was, yeah, that one was really good. I mean, I liked all three of them. The orange one, are you looking? That one was the most flavorful, I think. But I mean, if you like more of the sweet type smoothies, but even then, it wasn't too sweet. Well, the orange one had coconut cream, carrots, sweet potato, mandarin.

It's got, of course, pumpkin seeds and coconut water and the collagen in it. What a brilliant idea. I think this is so smart because they just made that process like super easy and convenient. I like smoothies, obviously, who doesn't? They taste really good. The drawbacks always been the amount of sugar

and how many carbs and their unbalanced with the macros and the source. This is a quite balanced. It comes already, how you gotta do is blend it. Well, and they set it up the same way that butcher box does where you can do the reoccurring orders either once a month or every other month or every like third month, you can set it up that way.

You can select which ones like you prefer. Yes, that's correct. Yeah, so set up just like that. So you can do a box all the same, a variety pack or whatever. And I know that they are doing something with us. So normally it's like 595, a smoothie, and it's 470 are doing something with us. So normally it's like 595 as smoothie and it's 470 as smoothie with us. So you're saving a buck 20 per smoothie.

And so I do the discounted. Yeah, yeah. So it's a nice little plug that they did for our audience. And I mean, but your box has done really well. It's one of the best performing sponsors that we have. We get a lot of good feedback about that company. One of my favorites. I mean, it's just made my life so much more convenient.

I would not have actually even looked into it, had it not been for its their company. So I was, because of the feedback and our experience with butcher box, I was like, okay, let's see, let's see what the smoothies are all about. And man, I was incredibly impressed. Well, the way I, the way I, it might be something that we can, then just so everybody knows there's listening right now. You know, we really are gonna just put it out there and see how many of, people of our audience really enjoy it.

Yeah. They aren't even an official sponsor long term with us. We just said, hey, you know, we like it. We like the product. Yeah, we like it. We'll put it out there if you guys can do something for our audience. And then we'll get feedback from you guys if it's something that we carry going forward. Yeah, what's the site of SmoothieBox.com forward slash

mine pump, that's easy. The way I'm gonna use it, because I'm already getting on board, I'm just gonna get, so one smoothies, like I said, 290 calories, I'm gonna make one in the morning, split it and give it to my kids. Yeah, I mean, it's got, like I said,

proteins, it's got the healthy fats, it's got the carbs from the fruit, there's no added sugar, some of the carbs come from a sweet potato like in the orange. It's, they did a good job. And that's, there's no added sugar. Some of the carbs come from sweet potato, like in the orange one. It's a, they did a good job. And that's, that's the thing that I like about this company is they actually, they do a damn good job.

They do their research and they put together a good product, not just the product that tastes good. Oh my God, the kid angle though, I mean, like we're always trying to look for little hacks to get, especially with my youngest to actually eat like more healthy foods. And that, like smoothies have always been a good way to do that, but now to make it like healthy.

And it was a macronutrients and like, it's not John Budjus for all. Exactly. Which is like an 80 gram sugar bomb. Sugar bomb. No, yeah, I mean, and John Budjus, I think there's still a lot of people that think that John Budjus is a healthy alternative. Sugar bomb. No, yeah. I mean, I and John MacPath. I think there's still a lot of people that think the John but juice is a healthy alternative. I know there's still I

mean, the baffles my mind. Yes. Well, I mean, I'll be the first to admit. I remember when they first came around like, oh, it's you think it's a healthy choice. They add ice cream. I'm like, you put ice cream in here. Yeah, not fucking healthy anymore. They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's what we had when we had Gospari on and he was talking about the supplement industry. What I found most fascinating about talking to him was like how the supplement industry has changed so much

since he, since his company Gospari was killing it to now which is only really, you know, what, not even in eight year period, seven years. And one of the things that he said, and we talked about the software, is how much more educated the consumer is. Like how much more people know. And so it's funny because,

which is great. I love it because what's happening with supplements or this kind of market, is that it seems like the quality or at least they're trying to cater more to the more informed. Because in the past, you wouldn't see so much detail in that kind of stuff like you do today. It's kind of cool.

It's cool to see that shift start to happen. It's funny too, because when we first started our podcast, that was one of the observations we made was that even the bodybuilding, muscle building, fat burning side of supplements, we all speculated that's pretty soon going to go to health route too, you know, as people become more. And that's starting to happen. Yeah, I'm really interested to see how he does. Like, I, you know, I'm nervous for him. I'm going to lie. I think it's, I think he's got an uphill battle, man. It's a totally different game. It's a whole different monster. There's certain things that I think he's on the right

track as far as the direction that it needs to go. But that old model of the jacked body builder, everybody's on to it. that guy probably does this jacked dude probably doesn't take all these supplements that he says he does. Most of them are probably from the antipolps of why he looks there. I mean, back in the, when you were, when we were kids, I used to open the magazine

and I really believed that that was the workout he did. That was the supplements he took and you better believe I was fucking taking all of them. Yeah, how many, like if you're already on testosterone or even taking that many symptoms? No, I didn't, I mean, when I was, that was fucking taking all of them. Yeah, how many, like if you're already on testosterone, like are even taking that many something? No, I didn't, I mean, when I was, that was just it. You're taking, Yeah, what are you gonna spend, you're gonna spend 100,

you're gonna spend more money yet. $200 on a bunch of random supplements that are probably not gonna do anything for you, or you spend $200 on that works. Yeah, you get a better source. On four more weeks of testosterone, or whatever, or whatever. Yeah, I mean, $200 better idea.

$200 would get me through a month's worth plus cycle of steroids. And so that was literally like the thought process. Like, why would she? Yeah, no, it's not that expensive anymore. It used to be when we were younger, but it's really not. And I think that's part of the reason why is more people are knowing. Know that. coupon code mine pump for $25.

I'm just laughing. Oh, good. But you know, it's like, okay, so here's an example of what I'm talking about. Like, I remember distinctly having this conversation with one of our guests early on. It was Joe Donnelly. And I remember talking to him specifically and saying to him, you should look into, you know, selling your pre-workout with no artificial sweeteners or colors. Right. And he laughed. He actually laughed. He said, you're that's dumb. your pre-workout with no artificial sweeteners or colors.

And he laughed. He actually laughed. He said, you're that's dumb. That won't make any money. Nobody cares. And I'm like, no, dude, listen, make the change now before it looks, because at some point you'll look dumb, making the change.

And you'll look like you're just trying to follow it. That's just another example of... And it's true. It's the happening. Part of the fitness space that we live in now is we have a lot of these, you know fake celebrities that become popular

Because of covers of magazines or whatever and they didn't put the work and effort in into training the thousands of people And if you if you put the work in training the thousands of people you fucking know these things You know these things because you have your your your pulse You have your hand on the pulse constantly. Right, but when you get yourself on a magazine and you do really good on Instagram or Facebook, whether it's because you're funny or you put out solid content on social media

and you build up this network of people and then you start providing advice like you really understand the space and then you make arguments with someone like, what a putz to argue with someone like you over that. Like I'm gonna, that's so naive because you've reached a level success in the same industry and space

to deny somebody who is actually out there and putting the work in. It's the same thing that I never want to be this guy who gets like this where you get to a point and you forget How important it is or the people that are out there touching the people I remember working for 24 our fitness when we would get you know the new CEO and they come in with all the new VPs and all and they right and they would put all they would they would just because they're looking at numbers all day long They just they know, you know, it's like well no when we do this well

Okay, yeah number all confident. And I'm gonna trust me, I'm a number guy. I fucking, I 100% believe that's important in sales and marketing and shit, but there's also a very, very important piece to the people that are touching all the lives every single day. And if you're not having those conversations, you just don't have all the information.

You don't have a full understanding of what's going on. It's no different than building a social media page with tons of clickbait, tons of stuff that just gets a bunch of eyes on you, but not understanding that you're not really providing real value. And yes, in the short term, you're gonna get a bigger page

faster, but it's not gonna produce anything for you. And in the long term, you end up losing value. You end up flashing the pan. There's no conversion. That's right. And the future of supplements, the future of, anything that has to do with supplementing the fitness industry in terms of both food,

whether it be bars, or whether it be protein shakes, or pills, or even whether it be delivering grass-fed meat, or whatever, anything that has to do with the health and fitness space, it's all moving towards more. Anything that has to do with the health and fitness space, it's all moving towards more quality and it has to be healthy. Even if it's something that says burn maximum body fat, build maximum muscle,

where it used to not be that way. It used to be burn maximum body fat and build maximum muscle. Wow, that's necessary. No, yeah, nobody cares about the health. Like who cares about the, what it's sweetened by, as long as it's got all the crateing

and whatever that's gonna make me build muscle. It's not like that anymore. Even Gospari said it, he said in the past, if you were selling something that was gray market, everybody, nobody cared, actually, they liked it. Now, if you sell anything gray market, nobody wants to buy any of your products, you know what I'm saying? I think you're starting to see that with the storms

and stuff like that. Companies that are selling storms, youres, getting away with it now, like there's a flash in the pan, they're not going to last very long. You don't see reputable companies doing that. The reputable ones really understand that it's about quality, it's about, again, one of the reasons why we end up working with Organifi. We are, for the most part, we don't like working with supplement companies. It's not a secret. It's not something you're not seeking it out. But if a, like, organify came to us and they're like, no, no, no, all organic, everything

needs to be no artificial sweeteners. It needs to be this particular way. Health is the first. That's what sold us. And then we opened our, and then we said, okay, we'll sit down and talk with you guys and see what, you know, what that looks like, you know? Well, it's a great bridge too, you know, to kind of bring somebody back into healthier mindset, you know, and performance. So like we've always been kind of looking for that sort of segue to bring, you know, a lot of the people are just so performance driven to really consider their health. And, I mean, it's a great way to kind of introduce that, you know, and just with even with the quality they're putting into like their products, with like the green juice and everything else, I mean, it's been one of those things too that's been able to be a powerful tool for me, even with my dad to get him to kind of say, way back to eating a lot more vegetables. Well, for the average person, for most of you listening, I'd say probably 99% of you,

that much, that big of a majority, if you just tried to be as healthy as possible and really healthy, and that goes with exercise, diet, whatever, you'll achieve the best performance you've ever had. If you try and just push performance, you're going to get worse performance and poor health. That's just true. How do I know that? Through training everyday people. Now there is that 1% who are training at a ridiculous level, who are competing at extreme levels.

Who really don't care about that kind of stuff? They're trying to squeeze out a 10th of a minute off their time, off their 50, or they're trying to squat another 5 pounds so they can break a record or whatever. Yeah, okay, I get that. But for most people, if you negate health and you forget about that, all you do is chase the other stuff, you're not gonna get either one, you're not gonna get the performance you want,

fat loss, and you're not gonna get the health. And the messages stayed the same with a sense day one, even with a sponsor like Organifi, it's always you're targeting getting everything through whole natural foods first. That's the idea, the idea is not take this supplement every single day, No, it's try your best to get everything through whole foods. Don't take any supplements. I'm still,

we all still stand by that, but the reality it is. And I mean, that's why the Organifi Green Juice has been a big deal for me is, I've always struggled with getting enough greens and it's fucking whatever. Laziness, vegetables tend to go bad in your refrigerator quick. And so I don't keep them stock like I'd like to. I wish I was somebody who walked down the farmer's market on a regular basis and brought it back and then kept it. And I just don't. I'm not disciplined enough to make sure that's a habit.

So I have something in my cupboard that I can lean on when I know that I have a day where I've missed that. I'm not getting it. And that to me is that's the way to use, and that's the way I think supplements should have been presented since day one, is listen, your way better off, instead of taking some sort of bullshit performance enhancements type of supplement, which is a lot of what we talked about with Rich the other day, those types of supplements, you're far better off taking things that are like missing nutrients in your diet because you just didn't get to

it and you use it as a supplement. Like how it was intended, I feel like it's called a supplement, right? things that are like missing nutrients in your diet because you just didn't get to it and you use it as a sub like how it was intended I feel like it's called a supplement right it's not a called take it every single day because everybody needs it every single day you know it's hey if you're not getting enough of these things these nutrients here is an alternative for the irony of it too is if that message was sold properly I think supplement companies would do better well look how we do with organifying. Organifying crushes. It's our best sponsorship.

It's our best relationship, partnership-wise. And yet we were very hesitant to even do that because we told them from the very beginning too. That, listen, we are not going to tell people they need to take this every single day. It's like, you know what it reminds me of? I'm sure you guys ran into this, obviously doing as fitness as long as you have where you have those trainers that do those, that give

people crazy promises. Like a new client will hire them. I want to lose 30 pounds. Listen, you hire me. You train me three days a week. You do what I say. We'll get the weight off. I'm the bet whatever. Those trainers do sell training initially, but those trainers never last long. Yeah. Because they're not honest. They're always hustling. And they're never honest. You know, I learned that actually quite quickly in my career. It took me a very short period of time to learn, like, wait a minute,

I need to be super honest with this client. So you're coming to me, I'm going to say, look, it's going to take a long time. You know, these are difficult things to change. Let's start you off twice a week with me, take it from there. It's, if it's unrealistic, they're going to catch on quickly. You know that. Yeah. So they'll they might be there and they might show up for the first couple of weeks, but the retention, that always drops off. It's the short game versus the long game.

I remember when I was brand new, there was a guy that was actually that was one of the top guys was like this. Like he was top sales. Type. Yeah. And I would listen to his presentation and I would be like, damn, he just promises the fuck out of everything. But I mean, what ends up, but he's always having to hustle. And I was the opposite.

I was just like, well, I'm not gonna just keep selling the dreamer of the, I care about making sure that I can follow through because what ends up happening is you can sell those people on two, three months where the training because you promise this to him, but when you start to figure it out, that, oh, wow, no matter how run them through this whole process. Well, and no matter, and we all know this, no matter how great of a trainer, no matter how educated all the answers you may have, still more than 50% of the people don't follow through themselves

and do that. And so when you know already that the fail rate for most people that hire a personal trainer is greater than 50% and you're making all these great promises, the likelihood of resigning that people is low. Now, coming up front with a client I found was way better, like listen, I wanna start you with three months and we could get to your goal by that time, but the realistic, probably not. Most people don't.

And the reason why is once we get started, we might find out that your metabolism is much slower than what we anticipated, and we need to work on that. Travel might come up, you might have a few setbacks between then and there, so I don't like to tell my clients that I guarantee that to them. Now, is it possible? Absolutely, it's possible.

But realistically, we need to be perfect in all these ways to achieve that by this time frame So when you set the table like that and then three months is up and they haven't quite achieved their goal Or maybe they haven't even came close their goal. They're not surprised because I can go well, you know We we had Halloween and you know what you did on Halloween, right? And we we had that week where you got sick. We know what happened there too We also see where your metabolism I've been telling you that we need to get your calories. You know what I'm saying?

Like well, yeah, and I think too like you that we need to get your calories. You know what I'm saying? Well, yeah, and I think too, that's experienced too, from a trainer, like knowing how to actually promote something that's realistic, because initially, there's all this hype and hope that they're gonna have this major influence on this person, but only through experience you understand

the pitfalls that come about and how to set them up for like, okay, this might happen, this might happen. So that's why I always have such a hard time with people laying out some kind of a formula. Well, I've done this formula for all these people. These amazing transformations and then they dress it up like this is repeatable. People appreciate honesty. And you know, one thing that I used to do with clients is I would give them my goals for them.

And so they'd come in and say, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna lose 20 pounds by this day. And I would say, like what you say, Adam, well, you know, that's very difficult. Most people don't. Here's why. And at the end, but then I'd say, okay, it is possible, but everything has to be perfect.

I said, but here's my goals for you. My goal is that you don't miss, you don't miss a workout with me for this next two month period where we're scheduled twice a week. So two days a week, you don't miss a workout. That's my first goal. My second goal for you is I wanna get you to the point

where you could do a full squat without any pain. And I would give them these types of goals and I'll explain why it's a big deal. And then you know what happens when you hit those goals? They're fucking happy. People love it, they're excited. And they know that I have their best intentions in mind, but people do appreciate honesty.

And it's as hard as it is to be honest with them sometimes because they just wanna hear the bullshit. It actually backfires. And I think we're starting to see a little bit of that change in the industry. I think it's starting to change just a little bit, or at least maybe I'm just hoping, maybe I'm just hoping it's changing that way,

but I think I got a long ways to go, brother. I do too, but I think it's starting to change a little bit. I mean, when's the last time you guys walked into a supplement store? I mean, there's so few and far between nowadays. Oh, not a long time. So when I go into them, I went into a vitamin shop of maybe a couple of weeks ago, and I looked at all the different products and you're starting to see them market a little bit differently.

It's already started to change. So that's good news. We'll see what happens with that as far as that goes. But I think working with people, when you work with clients for 20 years, you really start to learn how to communicate in a way that's effective and how to get someone to really make those fundamental changes. My goal as a trainer was never to get you in shape. That was not my goal. My goal as a trainer is to get you to a point where it's no longer a goal yours in the sense that this is now how you live. How can I change your relationship to exercise

and nutrition to where it's something you always want to do now? You don't rely on someone to motivate you. You don't need a crazy goal. You're not on the wagon off the wagon. That this is something now that has become a part of your life. How can I give you the keys to then do it yourself? How can I get you to want to work out? Forever? How can I get you to want to work out? Yeah, forever.

How can I get you to want to eat healthy, forever? That's my goal. Along the way, we're going to get in shape, along the way, you're going to feel better, get stronger, maybe lose some body fat, or whatever. But at the end of the day, that's what I want, for that person. And so far, it took me a while to learn how to do that,

but the real test is this. If you're a trainer and you don't train with, you move and you don't train with clients anymore, talk to them two, three years later. See where they're at, what they're doing. Are they still working out? They're still keeping up with everything? Is this something that they've made a part of their life? If the answer's yes, you fundamentally changed it.

You've done a good job. You're successful. If the answer's no, well, then, you know, got some bad news for you. You're in hustling. This quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge.

Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. So that's a term that I came up with a while ago to, when I first created Maps and Obolic, I was trying to come up with a term to explain what happens to a lot of people when they work out with weights. And so I came up with that term because it's easy to understand, it's short,

and I'd use it in my marketing. But let me explain what it means. Something that I witnessed quite a bit as a trainer is people would go to the gym, they'd work out really hard, they'd get sore, then they'd come back to the gym later, you know, maybe a few days later, whatever, work out again, get sore, and they'd repeat the cycle of getting really sore, recovering, getting really sore and recovering. But the problem was, they weren't progressing. All that was happening was, they were breaking down muscle and then they were recovering.

The healing. They were healing, but there was no adaptation. There was no progress. And that's a very frustrating place to be. It's frustrating enough for your body not to progress when you're doing nothing. It's really frustrating when you're getting really sore, working out hard, because you're putting the work in.

That's right, you're just not doing it efficiently. And I experienced this as a young guy, when I would work out, I'd wanna build my arms, right? So I'd go to the gym and I'd just beat the crap at him. And they would get super sore. And then I'd let them rest and recover, so I wouldn't do anything with them. And then I'd train again, get them real sore. And then, but this whole time, like nothing is improving. I remember thinking like, what's going on here? You know, I've

been told that in order to get your body to change, you have to create damage. And that's where the flaw is in this, in this mentality. That's not quite the whole story. Yes, damage does is part of the process. However, the adaptation process is different from the healing process. That's what I try to explain when I talk to people about the breakdown recovery trap. It's that you can heal, which is fine, but what you want is you want progress, you want adaptation. So in the context of resistance training, it's typically

training more frequently and not creating as much damage. Because when you create tons of damage, first off, what you need to understand is that that adaptation signal that we can measure, we can actually measure it through something called muscle protein synthesis. It peaks at about 24 hours and it starts to drop after about 48 to 72 hours. And then it's flat or goes down below baseline. Now if you're hitting your biceps on Monday and you're not hitting them again until the next Monday,

that adaptation period was on Tuesday and Wednesday. Then it dropped down and now it's flat or down below flat. Now your body's adapting in the opposite direction. You come back Monday again. And this by the way, this entire time, you may be sore and you may be healing, but you're not adapting. Now you come back Monday again, and this, by the way, this entire time, you may be sore and you may be healing, but you're not adapting. Now, you come back to the gym,

and there's no progress. Yeah, well, this just highlights, like, completely why programming is so important, and the fact that there's like a efficacious dose for the amount of intensity or whatever the other acute variables are, and that's why this kind of shit is important. That's why I guess the three of us are so passionate

about this side of the fitness spectrum because I feel like it's so overlooked. Everything is so, like, more is better, more is always better. And that's the message that your average person has been receiving like their lifetime. And it's wrong, right? Everything has to be harmonious like I think of it like a Like a crew team, you know, and we got like five five to ten guys that are like rowing a boat and we're trying to

Fuckin win. We're trying to go as fast as we can and the workout part of that is just one of the guys You know just one of them crewing along there and he's the asshole in the back just fucking crewing as hard as you can Off rhythm of the rest of us. The rest of us are together, you know, in sync, rowing this boat, and then this asshole in the back is just paddling. Yes, splashing everyone, paddling the fuck off, like crazy, and it's moving the boat right and left,

and we're moving so I think of that the same way. The same way. His heart, like hardest fuck. Right, and it doesn't mean you don't see some progress. You're gonna move, you know what I'm saying? And you know you're working hard, I think of that the same way. The same way. The same way. The same way. The same way. The same way. The same way. The same way. The same way.

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and let it mirror your programming and how much you're exercising, then it won't be harmonious with the other systems. And so, and I think exercise is just one example of that. I mean, the asshole could be the nutrition asshole, you know, it could be, you could be any of the assholes, but it's so important to think of the body holistically like that, that they all need to be kind of speaking to each other. And for some reason, for so long, we've always thought that exercising the harder you go, the more results you get. The more sore you are, the better.

Right, which is maybe how somebody who got in a boat the very first time and thought, we want to move this thing as fast as possible. If I just go as hard as I possibly can, maybe that's what's going to get me faster and further along, but that's not necessarily true. We find out that, oh wow, if we can all move harmoniously together, this thing will plow through the water a lot faster.

I remember the first time putting this together, I was working out, I was trying to get in shape because I was going to go to Italy over the summer. And at this point, I was still doing, you know, 20 sets per body part once a week. So, you know, chest on Monday, back on Tuesday, the old school, five, five day brosplit. And I hammered body part, get it really sore, you know, and let it rest and recover and heal and then come back and hit it again. And I was definitely stuck in this trap.

I just didn't really quite realize it. I just thought my body wasn't progressing. Well, what I had done is I was reading these old muscle building magazines, and I was looking at some of these old-timers routines, and I couldn't find a single guy that worked their body parts once a week. Everybody was two or three days a week,

especially three days a week. So what I did was, as I started hitting my body parts three days a week, counter to everything that I thought to be true up into this point. I thought up into this point, hammer a body part once a week, and that's what you need to do. And so I thought, okay, I'm going to hit my body parts three days a week.

The first thing I noticed when I did this, which tripped me out, was that was not nearly a sore as I was before. Now first I thought, oh wait, I'm not a sore, maybe this is not a good thing, but I immediately realized that it was a good thing because I got stronger, and then my body started progressing. Which are the real things you need to pay attention to. That's it, and the irony of this all is, the best routines that I ever do for my body

are the ones that typically produce little soreness. You know, how weird is that? Like, I used to think that the routines that produced the most soreness. So did I. Yeah, that would give me that was a bad advice I used to give. Most people still think that I'll be the first to men. I was a terrible trend. This is when I talk about some of the when I think of the terrible things that I said or did.

This is one of them. Like I used to tell people like, oh, if it's still sore, you don't need to you don't need to hit it again. You know, and that was my advice like it was based off of you. Oh, and if you're not sore, go ahead to hit it again. And that was my advice. You was based off of, oh, and if you're not sore, go ahead and hit it again. I would ask them a lot of times, my clients, oh, did that last workout get you good in sore? But I'm like, I was that guy. That would try and like, oh, fuck well,

I guess I didn't, I got up my game and up the intensity a little bit. And that's just an example of how much it's perpetuated in the industry. And also why, when we first started all this, we knew that the message would be so powerful because even as professionals, I know that I was giving not sound advice because of the information that I was getting. And you know, it wasn't

until a decade later was I starting to connect the dots myself and go, wait a second, this is this is counter to what I believe for a long time. And it wasn't because I was dumb. It was just because that was the culture. And that culture still permeates the industry in the space. I still think that, I mean, I get inboxed. Every time we talk about this subject, I always get trainers inboxing me saying like, yeah, Adam, it's still like that in the gym.

Like it's all about how sore you get your client and the best trainer. Super competitive. Yeah. And it's gonna take a culture shift and change that I hope It's all about how sore you get your client and the best trainer. Super competitive. Crazy exercises. And it's gonna take a culture shift and change that I hope that we're a part of, that we influence some of these trainers, that that is not an example of a great workout. It's not at all. And I think that it's actually sometimes the opposite.

It is the opposite. It's quite the opposite. In fact, the way, now, see, let me tell you how I gauge my own because I still make this mistake today. All the time I overreach and it's definitely been ingrained in me. And so if I said, if I'm following one of our maps programs where I know I'm going to hit a muscle group, you know, three times in a week, and I come, you know, let's say I have Monday, I trained, and then Wednesday I'm back, you know, and I'm supposed to be touching some of these. If I'm still really sore on one of the muscles that I'm getting ready to train again,

I'm like, fuck, I overreached, I didn't need to do that. Because now that potentially is gonna hinder this workout. And so that to me is a, okay, next time around, I get to Monday again when I'm back on that routine, I need to scale back a little bit on my intensity, you let my, you know, put my ego aside and follow my programming because I trust the process. And so that's kind of how I think now.

Now, that it's tough. If it's still tough for me and I know the information, I can imagine how tough it is for the general population that is getting this in their feet of no days off and training to failure and like fucking beast mode and all if that's what you're getting if you're getting told that all the time and you're seeing that and we're highlighting these people that are training so hard like that's don't get me wrong I got I love to watch a Ronny Coleman

video before I go to the gym I love to watch all these knuckleheads on Instagram I follow all of them and they do because it motivates me to get to the, but I also know that I can't train like that today. Like that's not what's gonna serve my body best to progress in this program. Yeah, my best results ever, both with myself and with my clients, was when we worked out appropriately, and they usually didn't get sore.

Usually did not get sore, then their bodies would progress. And I earned a funny thing about this is, it's funny, like how should you measure your progress by measuring your progress? That's literally it. Or, I mean, it's funny because I, it's funny, I get messages every day from people who are like, oh my God, I'm following, you know, I'm following maps anywhere, I'm following maps aesthetic,

I'm following maps endabolic. And man, I'm getting fit, I'm getting stronger, I feel good, but I feel like I could do more. Like, do you think I should getting fit, I'm getting stronger, I feel good, but I feel like I could do more. Like, do you think I should throw on some more exercise? I'm like, wait, hold on a second. You're progressing and you're asking for more. Yeah, like, why?

Because you think you're gonna progress more because you feel like you can do more. If you're... Don't be the asshole, Ron is ass off in the back of the bow. Yeah, fucking stay harmonious. If you're progressing, we're moving, bro. If you're... It's harmonious. If you're progressing, then're moving, bro. He is her manious.

If you're progressing, then you're progressing. If you're light and good. If you're moving better, if your mobility is improving, or if you're getting stronger, or if your stamina is getting better, or of course, if you're visibly changing, if you're leaner, more muscular, then that means it's working.

Has nothing to do with how sore you get, how sore you don't get, how tired you are, you know, how you left the gym and wanted to throw up or any that kind of stuff that may build character But it doesn't do anything yet when it comes to building your body So and those are that's an important thing to understand next question is from Rebecca Ubs How would you help power lifters with type hips? What kind of mobility exercises or warmups are best? Oh, my favorite for hips. First off, this is me, bro. Yeah, this is me right here. Yeah. And first of all, we should explain why this is common. If you're a power lifter,

you're predominantly loose hips are not advantageous. You are, you are primarily moving in the sagittal plane. There's not a lot of rotational movements in the exercises that you do. moving in the sagittal plane, there's not a lot of rotational movements in the exercises that you do. And the hips were designed to move and the way the ball and socket joint works for the hips is not just forward and backwards. It's designed to where it moves in multiple planes. And when you always strength train in the same plane all the time. You get really overactive type muscles in that plane. Then when you ask the hips to move out of it a little bit, you find out, oh shit, they're

really sore and tight. This happens to me a lot. That is always my reminder that I need to put the mobility work in or start to incorporate more rotational type of movements into my exercise programming. So highly recommend using a tool like Prime or Prime Pro for this person, 100% going through the prime movements before you power lift. So some of the ones that are great, like your 90, 90s, your hip swings, what else is really good that we have inside a prime that this person's well even tight hips could be the result of issues

with the ankle issues with the low back. Sometimes people feel in the hips, but it's it's an ankle issue for example. It's funny because so warm-ups we like to use the word priming because priming means something a little bit different. Like when you're priming your body before you work out, the the word priming because priming means something a little bit different like when you're priming your body before your workout The goal with priming is to get you to the point where you don't need to do anything before you do your lift So what I mean by that is if everything's in balance you got great mobility and everything you should be able to get right into your lift and feel Okay, if you go into it I'm not talking about your max weight

Okay, that obviously you should scale your way up But if you get into your lift and you're like, oh, I can't do it unless I prime for 30 minutes, okay, priming is trying to get you the point where you don't need to necessarily do anything before. And that doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything beforehand. I think you should always do something beforehand to get yourself set up.

But the point is, if it takes you all that stuff just to get going, you don't want to do warm-ups where you're just stretching and loosening up, you want to do something that's gonna have you move differently and better so that no longer becomes an issue. Yeah, I think to like lateral movements will be good. Yeah, I'll guarantee it's what's possible. You know, see kids person.

Yeah, so your body just as a signal, it's somewhat goes in protective mode, right? Like there's these governings that are in place in order to protect the joints. And a lot of times when you get tight, you're reinforcing the fact that like I'm bearing a lot of load in my body's like trying to resist, you know, that load. And so it just becomes tight and stiff. And, you know, you're only going through a certain range of motion constantly and like really demanding a lot of force from that range of motion. And to just kind of take it outside of that and have the body recognize that, you know, it's stable. Another range

of motion. It doesn't quite have good series with. So, so this I was just going to comment on it. Like, Jordan shallow does an incredible job. He, I mean, of addressing this. I mean, he does speak Spanish when he does talk about all the muscles I work. So I'll simplify that. It's like, think of it this way. Like, if you have really tight hips,

you, a great movement to prime or get ready for, which, and we did this in a YouTube video, is the Bulgarian splitsquat. And what I learned from that more than anything is like what Justin was saying about the unilateral movement meaning you're on one leg when you do that so you got your trail leg back there. What that starts to do is you have to stabilize the hips and it's really hard to do that in a split stance when you're, and so it's a great way to prime the hips and to be able

to stabilize them really, really well because you're in an instable environment because you're on one leg. So that primes the hip really well when you do that on both sides. And then you go into a squat or a deadlift. Those hips are gonna be in a more, what's a term I wanna use here

in a much more advantageous position to handle the heavy load that you're doing versus you going right into the exercise and just doing light sets like Salah saying warming up with the same exercise. Like, you need to make those hips a lot of response for your sensual nervous system to really like to stabilize it. Yeah, well, you know, another good one is the, what's the McKinsey, what's the guy's name who did the plane? Oh, yeah's the guy's name, who did the plane?

Yeah, thank you, thank you. The Miguel, the Miguel planes, right? Where you have to stabilize on one leg, and then you rotate slightly. Such a great movement for my power lifters to do before you go power lifters. Yeah, that's in Prime Pro. Yeah, that's in Prime Pro also,

I also believe it's in that YouTube series that we did. Those are great, great moves to really wake the hips up and get them very stable and firing properly before you go in and you go lift three, four, or 500 pounds above the ground. So the split stance movements, the reason why they're so good like lunges and Bulgarian split stance squats is what you're doing

is you're first off the front leg and that exercise is doing what it does when it does a squat. But the difference is because you have a trail leg, you're also fighting torsion in your pelvis. So you're stabilizing differently. There you go. It's better when you do it than I was trying to find that. Yeah, you're stabilizing differently than when you're doing just a traditional back squat.

And because of that, it allows you to be more stable when you do have both feet together. So that's number one. The number two, a lot of the times that I've seen people have hip issues is because they have a weakness in their, believe it or not, their abductors. And so they'll feel the pain up at the top of their hip, almost like they're going to get brisidus at the top of their IT band. And sometimes these people, it's as simple as band walking. Like a simple exercise,

just to fire those abductors and then go in a squat and all of a sudden they don't feel. Well, yeah, and the reason why that is, this was common for me, is when you drop down into the squat, especially if you have weak abductors, what ends up happening is the knees collapse in. And so that pain that you feel is that little muscle there

that's trying to fight the knees open to get you out of the squat when you come out, that spiral effect that you get from coming out of a squat. And it was so weak for me that that's exactly what I would feel is I'd feel the super tight ITTFL area that was driving me crazy. And all I had to do was work my 90 90s, do my leg swings or some band walks or Bulgarian split squat and man, it makes a world of a difference

before I go into squatting or deadlifting. Next question is from healthy, happy, and free. For the person who enjoys cardio, can you out eat your cardio so you can gain muscle? That's a good question. That's a really good question. Yeah, because you out-eat your cardio so you can gain muscle? That's a good question. That's a really good question. Yeah, because I think- Yes and no. Yeah, well, I was going to say, you know, a lot of times, when we talk about how cardio,

overdoing cardio, by the way, I want to be clear, it's overdoing cardio, because cardio is not bad, but when you overdo cardio, it definitely will make it difficult for your body to build muscle. And there's two reasons for this. One is you're burning a lot of calories. You know, if you're burning too many calories, you're not taking in enough for your body to build muscle. And there's two reasons for this. One is you're burning a lot of calories. You know, if you're burning too many calories, you're not taking in enough, your body doesn't have the building blocks needed

to build muscle. But there's another reason why doing a lot of cardio will prevent you from building muscle. It has nothing to do with the calories. And that's that it's sending a signal to your body to become very efficient with doing cardio. Now, what does that mean? How does your body become efficient doing cardio?

It reduces its weight and its size. It reduces the amount of energy that it requires to do this long duration type activity. And because cardio requires very little strength, it's not a problem for your body to pare down muscle. So if you're doing so much cardio that you're just sending the signal to your body to become to build lots of endurance, you can eat all the calories you want and you're just going to get fatter. You're going to get

fatter and build endurance. And believe me, there's a lot of these people that are out. No, that's fucking common. I think I think we get a, I think we've been labeled as this team no sweat and no cardio. I got on a piece of cardio equipment just a week ago, you know, and you know, went away at it for just 20 minutes because I hadn't done that in a while because there is lots of benefits to making sure that I have some sort of cardio endurance. I don't ever want to be able to, or not be able to go out and go for a run for one mile and just not be able to do it. That's pathetic, I think.

I think that's important that I keep that cardiovascular shape for sure. But the reason why I think we speak out on it so much is because of the culture in the industry. And that is this, the running off the body. Trying to work it off. Yeah, running off the body fat all the time, or being addicted to the running off the body. Trying to work it off. Yeah, running off the body fat all the time or being addicted to the running because of the chemicals that go off in your brain

when you go for a run and people becoming addicted to that feeling. And so I think we speak to it for those purposes. And it's not so much that we're against it. It's just like a lot of people have specific goals that they're trying to achieve and they're sending a conflicting signal by doing all this running. So it's like your desired outcome isn't a lot of times what they want to end up looking like and feeling like and

doesn't doesn't reflect like what their intentions are with their cardio pursuits. It's that's really what we're trying to discern like okay What are your very specific goals if you're trying to discern. Like, okay, what are your very specific goals? If you're trying to do something sports related, endurance related, anything where it requires a lot of energy management. And so cardio is going to help you get conditioned. And really it's the conditioning side of it that you have to look at.

So in terms of you looking, you know, aesthetically better, in terms of you looking, you know, aesthetically better, in terms of you having, you know, building more muscle, this is where we have to like, you know, tell everybody and really educate like, look, this is why this is more effective. This is why you have to do it, you know, like about this dose. Yeah, some some cardio will actually help some people right muscle, you know, like if it improves your health, and it gives you a little bit more

stamina so that you can do more reps when you're doing your squats or you don't have to rest quite as long, you'll probably end up building more muscle. If cardio becomes the predominant form of exercise, if cardio becomes the loudest signal that you're sending your body through exercise, then your body will try to not build muscle, or at least it won't build as much muscle. And again, it's just, look, your body tries to get good at whatever you do the most of. So if you're trying to, if you're telling your body to get really, really good at doing 30 to 45 minutes or 60 minutes of steady state, you know, long duration endurance type training,

well, what kind of, what kind of things is your body gonna need? It's gonna need lots of endurance, which requires not a lot of muscle strength. You don't need a lot of muscle strength. It's gonna work a lot of your slow twitch muscle fibers which don't have the propensity for growth anyway. And it's gonna try and become efficient with the type of energy that you're burning a lot of.

So it's like, it would be like if you had a car that could morph in a depth to what you were asking it to do. If I was driving my car and I was gunning it from, you know, turning a muscle car into a, what are those like, pre-ex? Like a pre-ex. Yeah, like if I was taking my car and I was racing it every single stoplight, my car would morph into a V8,

big engine that burned a lot of gas, that was very, very quick. If I was sending the signal in my car where I was driving 45 miles an hour, but I was driving 600, 700 miles at a time, my car would eventually turn into a two cylinder or maybe electric hybrid type engine, where it doesn't have a lot of power because I don't need a lot of power,

but it's very, very good with fuel. Now, this is what happens to your body. Now, in the context of survival, it's your other thing. If you're out in wilderness and you want your body to be very efficient with calories, but we're not in that situation. We're in a situation where food is everywhere.

And you don't move that much anyway, naturally, normally. So a fast metabolism is an advantage because it helps prevent fat gain. It helps keep you healthy in the sense of, you know, blood sugar because more muscle that you have, the better you can control blood sugar, the better your insulin responses, and you know, anabolic hormones and all those

wonderful things. So if you're lifting weights to build muscle in the context of modern life, that's a very good thing. If you do tons and tons of cardio over long periods of time, that's going to be a bad thing in the context of modern life. And I'll taste something right now. You go to any gym and I ran gyps for a long time. I know you guys see this as well. You could see the regular cardio users that would come in every almost every day like clockwork and do the 30 minutes

on the elliptical or 45 minutes on the elliptical. And many of them had body fat percentages that were high. These are guys with bellies and women that were overweight, but they got lots of stamina and they're going forever on that cardio. And they're eating a lot on top of it. So no, you can't, I mean, I guess the bottom one. Well, also remember this.

There's also a major individual variance with this too. And I'm sure you guys can speak to this also. There's, I've had a client. I've had a girlfriend who used to compete. And she just had this muscular physique. And it was extremely hard for her to lose body fat. And she would never lose muscle. She was just a muscular person.

So she could do cardio seven days a week. And we couldn't never lose muscle. She was just a muscular person. So she could do cardio seven days a week and we couldn't lose the muscle. We would have to program, like when she got on stage, she got feedback that her legs were too muscular and too big. So we literally had to go three months of not training legs and doing cardio five to seven days a week for her to actually start to sculpt out.

Now, I've also had the complete opposite, which is more like my body type, where I look at a treadmill and muscle falls off my body. So there is also a very, you can't take a friend of yours and look at them and go like, well, he or she is running seven days a week and look how muscular they look. There are people that it's different, that their body will hold on to muscle mass much better than other body types. And so they can get away with certain things that There are people that it's different, that their body will hold on to muscle mass much better than other body types, and so they can get away with certain things that not the other.

So, the question is, if you're struggling with putting muscle on and you're asking a question like this, you're probably doing too much cardio, because you're struggling to put muscle on, you're trying to outbeat it with calories, you're probably better off reducing the amount of cardio that you're doing, and you'll see a big difference. And the opposite is true for the opposite body type. So there's always and there's going to be that's those are the two extreme ends of the spectrum and there's going to be people all the way in the middle and so you just got to understand that that one you can't compare yourself to someone you may see or know that gets away

with doing tons of cardio and still has a muscular physique. That same person is, you know, doesn't have a- And speaking to that person, like your ex-girlfriend who just built lots of muscle, in her case, she may prevent herself from gaining muscle just because she's burning more calories and she's taking it.

In her case, eating more food would help her put on more muscle. But for most of you listening right now, if you're just doing a ton of cardio, you're like, I'm not building muscle. Maybe if I just eat more food, I'll gain, I'll build some muscle. Probably not. Your body's still just still trying

to get really good at endurance, which by the way, it's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Look at your endurance athlete. That's the way you want to train. Maybe you like doing lots of cardio. That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that.

But for the vast majority of people, most people Maybe you like doing lots of cardio. That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. But for the vast majority of people, most people don't like doing cardio every single day. Most people have a busy life. What they would like to do is work out in the gym, maybe three days a week. Be really fit. Have a faster metabolism so they can get away with eating a little bit more. They can get away with not being so strict with their diet. They don't have to move so much every single day because their day is naturally sedative anyway

because they have a desk job. For those people, which is most people, the cornerstone of your workout should be resistant to training two, three days a week. You'll get way better results that way. Well, there's nothing wrong with somebody who loves doing cardio. I wanna make sure that we speak to that too.

But just don't come to me with a goal about sculpting your body and also tell me that you love doing cardio five to seven days a week. If you love doing cardio and you love running, I would never take that from a client. Like, your Adam, it is the most stress relieving thing that I do. I love it. It makes me happy. I feel great. All these great things about it. And you have no aches or pains and everything's all good like a fucking do it Like if it makes you happy, 100% do it But if you come to me and you say out of my really want to build my shoulders and I want to build my butt more and like you have all these like aesthetic type goals

And then you're like, but I also love doing cardio I'm gonna and I'm gonna be like, okay, well we can try to build that muscle, but just know that we're sending conflicting signals to the body. You may not have the body type that that's advantageous for. It may have a very hard time building muscle while doing that much cardio. And I typically, and I don't know, I can't remember, I know I've looked at her page

before, but I can't picture her right now. You know, if you're somebody who struggles building muscle, you're the person who has to lean towards less and less cardio in comparison to the other person. So you've got to keep that into consideration. Next question is from Ali Grace Fit. I'm currently in college studying nutrition, and I struggle with what the U.S. guidelines and teachings are.

For example, my textbook states that obesity is not a lifestyle choice, but a disease. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think this is accurate? I think it depends on what people understand when they hear a disease. For example, heart disease is a disease, but is it caused by poor lifestyle

and can it be reversed by changing your lifestyle? Yes. If a person thinks that obesity is a disease like something that you can't influence, it's just passed on and there's nothing you do about it. That's wrong. So could obesity be classified as a disease in the sense that when you're obese, you have all these bad health outcomes,

but it is something that has resolved many times. Most of it, due to your lifestyle, I don't give a fuck, call it whatever you want. Right, it's like bankruptcy. It's like you can bankrupt seize the disease and then what led to bankruptcy is poor financial decisions leading up to that. You know what I'm saying?

It's the same thing. You don't just go bankrupt. Right, exactly. You don't just go obese out of nowhere. And so there was a series of events that led to the bankruptcy that caused the quote unquote disease. That's just like obesity.

But once you're there, you're kind of fucked. What happens when you're, you have a major hole that, and you have something over your head that you have to climb out of, obesity too. Like once you're there, there's probably a lot of things that your body is and where the disease part comes in, is your body is fucked up. It's fucked up.

Now you've pushed it this far where you are this overweight and now you have all these conditions because of that, but you didn't wake up obese. Yeah, and this is the part where I do sort of lean on a green with still labeling it as a disease just because of the severity of just the current state of where we are in terms of healthy at every weight, for instance. This is something to identify obesity as something that is problematic in terms of that being the catalyst for all kinds of different health problems. We have to stick to standards in terms of like some of these things,

but yeah, like it's not, in terms of it being a disease has passed on, we can't look at it as something that just happens because it's been passed along to you. Yeah, no, it's crazy. There's some evidence that suggests that people who have a poor, unhealthy lifestyle, who are not obese, actually have a poor unhealthy lifestyle, who are not obese, actually have a worse outcome

than people who actually gain body fat who have a poor lifestyle. So if you compare the two, and believe it or not, there's a sizable minority. It's not a majority, but it's a decent chunk of people who are afflicted with things like diabetes or heart disease who are not overweight at all. Their body weight would be considered normal, but then they have diabetes or they have heart

disease or whatever. So obesity is really, I hate that. I think one of the reasons why we focus so heavily on obesity, it's because it's so visible. It's so visible. Like you can see it right away. Yeah. And I get that. In obesity itself, having a lot of body fat all by itself does have some health risk factors. Fat is not this inert tissue that just hangs on your body.

Fat is hormone sensitive and stores certain things. And so just having a lot of body fat by itself can cause problems. But really the key, the thing to focus on is the lifestyle around it and what's causing it. And what's happening now is more people are overweight than people who are not overweight. And pretty soon there's going to be more obese people if it continues on this trend, which will be interesting to see if it does. But if it

does, at some point, there's going to more obese people than non-obese people. And when that happens, and this is the thing that I hate about, that I hate about majority rules sometimes, is that you're gonna get more obese people than not obese people. And before you know it, they will be a protected, you know, class of people. They're gonna be, which is silly, because everybody should be created on these standards. Yeah, everybody should be protected or whatever, but it's gonna be like, exactly, like, no, this is, this is what normal is, this is what it's, you know,

whatever, and you know, it's this poor health. It's poor health, it's okay to call it poor health, there's nothing wrong with that. Right. You know, there's also, you can also be objective about it, you know, just because you're, just because you have a lot of body fat on your body, just because you're exhibiting poor health doesn't mean you're a bad person. It doesn't mean

anything about your self-worth. It doesn't mean you need less respect. Now, the reality is people may see you and judge you differently as a result. That's just reality, good or bad or whatever. But don't confuse it too. So it's okay to say, you know what, I'm really heavy or you know what, my body displays my poor lifestyle, my bad health habits, my bad diet, my bad lack of activity or whatever, that's okay, doesn't mean you're a bad person because I think some of this discussion revolves around trying not to hurt people's feelings.

You know what I mean by saying, like by saying, hey it's your fault, your obese and then people are like to hurt people's feelings. You know what I mean by saying? Absolutely. Like by saying, hey, it's your fault, your obese. And then people are like, no, it's not. No, it's a disease. It's not my fault. And then they'll give you all the reasons why. I was, my parents were overweight.

And my schedule doesn't allow me to work out. And I don't have to make a lot of money. So it's harder for me to eat healthy food. And it's like, well, those are all factors. I get that. But no, it's still a lifestyle. It's still a lifestyle. It's still something that you're choosing to allow

to happen to yourself, whether it's consciously or subconsciously. So, I think that's where that discussion basically comes from. But make no mistake, this is a health epidemic that we're in right now. If it continues along the path that it has been continuing for the past, you know, a few decades, we're coming up on some very bad big trouble, not just more fat people and more sick people, but bankrupt, but a little bankrupt us.

I mean, that's how expensive this problem is becoming. And a lot of these problems that are coming from our poor lifestyle are the chronic type the type that we don't really have any Accure for aside from changing your lifestyle. So you go to the doctor and they're gonna give you medication that you're going to buy forever Until you change your lifestyle that is expensive. Yeah, that costs a lot of money and those medications Themselves produce their own effects that are, their own side effects. Right, and then you have to, yeah, now you're battling all these new side effects.

You didn't even have before just because you're trying to treat this one symptom and it's just this, yeah, it becomes an even bigger problem. It does, and so I don't think, you know, and this is bringing to us kind of a side topic, but I don't think it's cool to be mean to people who you know overweight or to treat them you know negatively. I don't think that's cool. I mean the disadvantage that someone who's obese is at is that they're whatever you want to call it they're flaws, their food addiction, the lack of activity is on display. Yeah, you can't hide from it.

Yeah, now the guy walking down the street who's an adulterer or the woman who, you know, has an addiction to gambling, you don't see that right away, you know. So they don't get judged the same way as someone who's obese. Someone who's obese right away, whether you like it or not, you subconsciously make this judgment that, oh, this person must not be very active.

This person kind of eats terribly. What does that mean? And you go down the line, oh, maybe they have less discipline, whatever. And that's true, they've done studies on this, and they've asked people, you know, what they think about people when they look a particular way. And I get that, but the reality is,

it's your poor lifestyle. And changing that, and it's a real, and I get that, but the reality is, it's your poor lifestyle. And changing that, and it's crazy too, because it's so weird how hard it is for people to, it's crazy for me to say, because I'm on this side of it, right? But from my perspective, it's crazy how hard it is to change your lifestyle so that you're not obese, so that you don't have chronic disease or chronic illness.

And the reason why I think it's so crazy is because I know the time commitment it takes to change that is less than the commitment to be that way. In other words, you're gonna be, you're gonna have more time on your hands, you'll be more productive and you'll save money and you'll enjoy your life more. It doesn't feel like that when you're there. That's what I'm saying. It's so hard. It doesn't feel that way when you're there and so that what I'm saying. It's so hard. It doesn't feel that way when you're there. And so that's what, but it's backwards thinking. You just don't know it, you know? And so it just seems like a mountain you have to,

you're at the bottom of the hill and you're staring at this huge mountain you got to climb. But what people that actually start that process is they start to find out as they start to climb the hill. Like, oh shit, like this is getting easier and easier and better and better. And oh my God, everything else around me is getting better and better it's just getting through to that first you know it is and as far as what you're what she's

studying here in the US in terms of the guidelines these are government guidelines and the government is notoriously wrong when it comes to look at the food pyramid, health and nutrition guidelines. And they're so slow. Like they're so slow to catch up to what, you know, current research is saying, what people who actually work with people for a living in terms of fitness and health are saying. Like it's so slow, it's not even funny. Like the wrong, like you get a registered dietician to tell you how to eat. And I'm

talking about, I'm not talking about, you know, if you have, you know, kidney disease or something that you need medical type of diet. But registered dietitians, like, oh, you're of a weight. Let me work on your diet. You know, and not that they're worse than the online coaches, because those people are idiots. But the advice they'll give them is basically cut your calories. I've had clients who come to, and that's it. You know, that's the only thing. I've had clients who come to me. They have shakes, you know, that they'll put them on instead,

which they think that, yeah, like going to extreme, like lower calories, it's gonna get them quicker, you know, results, they're forced gonna create this long-term strategy. I've had clients who've come to me, who were obese, and they were on these medically approved and prescribed shakes, where the doctor, oh, the doctor told me to drink these shakes all day

and to Nadi, so I can lose weight. And I'm always like, oh my God, I can't believe a doctor's, this is terrible. It looks bad on Western medicine, and it's not an effective strategy. And then on top of it, they'll bring me the shakes and I know about supplements. So I don't, I think it's a bad idea to rely on shakes.

I don't care how good and healthy the shakes are. But Jesus, the shakes that they're giving these people are the worst on top of it. I know. They're all vegetable oil and artificial sweet potatoes. And I'm like, man, they're not even giving you good shakes. I'll give you some of these bodybuilding ones that I have.

The bodybuilding ones are actually more legit. You guys ever see those? Yeah, see those. You ever look at those things? The weight loss stuff that they promote. Oh, it's fucking terrible. It's absolutely terrible. And the message that we're sending people is so wrong.

They never tell people the lift weights. It's never something that they say they do to do. They never help with relationship to food. They never tell them it's a slow process. They never work with the stuff that actually works. It's always, I'm hearing more, but it was close to never before. You're starting to hear little bits of it,

little chirps. I think we're, I mean, I like to believe in humanity. I think we're, I think we're gonna head that way. But it's typical humans,. We push the boundaries. We'll go so far to where like, oh fuck, we are going to be bankrupt. We don't fix this problem. Well, how many messages have you guys gotten from college students who are listening to the show? And then they'll message me and be like, well, in my class, I didn't learn that. I'm debating my college professor over what you guys are what you guys are saying about, and I'm like, oh man, there's that teaching guy there, man.

Yeah, that's a hard, and that's the thing. It's like a whole industry. Shout out to our young, your young bugs, man. Yeah, so much love for our youngsters. After I said that on the show the other day, if you're under 25, give yourself a pat on the back. Yeah, you got a whole bunch of messages. You guys are gonna change this whole process, not us.

No, real talk. That's right. That's right. Hey, before I sign off, not us. No, that's right. Real talk. That's right. Hey, before I sign off, I do want to mention that we all have Instagram pages. I haven't said that in a long time. They each provide their own value, so you can find my page. It's Mind Pump Sal. Adam has a page, Mind Pump Adam, Justin has a page, Mind Pump Justin.

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