Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 913: Yoga vs Mobility Training, How Fragrances Affect Your Hormones, the Difference Between MAPS Prime & Prime Pro & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, ob-mite, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Inside this episode of Mind Pump. For the first 44 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We start out by talking about scam messengers. Messengers, sorry. so this was a- Sangez.

Starting point is 00:00:27 Yeah, you got it. Just and got a couple texts and Adam got a couple texts. Fake people trying to rip them off. Yeah. Don't fall for it and ladies, if you find these messages on your boyfriend's phone, they're fake. Yeah, don't freak out.

Starting point is 00:00:40 Don't freak out. We're gonna scam. It's a thing. Then we give a little bit of every guy's gonna use that to melt it. How do you, how do you, I don't know what she is. The same thing. The same thing. Then we did our Thanksgiving wrap up.

Starting point is 00:00:50 We all had a good time, we ate a lot of food and had a lot of fun. Then we talked about using Ned in place of cannabis. And of course, Ned is hemp extract, full spank drum. Hemp extract doesn't contain, and it doesn't have or contain any psychoactive THC, but it is full of cannabinoids that have health benefits. Combined, contain, convey.

Starting point is 00:01:12 It's got all those things, yes. If you go to helloned.com forward slash mind pump, you'll get 15% off your first purchase. Then we talked about purchasing Felix Gray, blue light blocking glasses with your health savings account. Yes, your HSA account may qualify to pay for your blue light blocking glasses. So check this out if you want to find out if you can get your HSA to pay for this. Go to Felix Gray that's g-r-a-y glasses.com-s-mindpump.

Starting point is 00:01:40 Check it out. Oh, by the way, you'll also get free shipping and free returns. Oh yeah. Then we talked about living to a hundred. How old do we want to be? Then we talked about the IRS wanting a piece of the Snapchat sex industry, or as Adam calls it, Snapchat. You.

Starting point is 00:01:59 I'm trying to get their money. Yeah, give me some money. And then we talked about Amazon taking over e-commerce. They're actually projected to take over something like 50% of all sales online in America. That's insane. Then we get into the questions. First question was,

Starting point is 00:02:14 what's the difference between mobility training and yoga? What are the big differences between the two? Next question, the stretchy pants. Another difference question. What's the difference between maps prime and maps prime pro? A lot of confusion between these two programs because the names are so similar, but they are very different programs.

Starting point is 00:02:32 So we kind of break down what prime does and what prime pro does. And then we give you some tips on stuff you can do at home on your own. The next question, well, one of our good friends, Lane Norton likes to post when he sees pseudoscience out there and likes to rip on people that promote pseudoscience. Well, he recently did this with a young lady that talked about how fragrance fragrances and candles can affect your hormones.

Starting point is 00:02:56 Are, is Lane Norton correct? Does she have a point? Do we think he needs to stop picking on these people? Find out in this episode. All the above. And the last question, what are our worst habits in nutrition, exercise, relationships, and professional, we bear all in that part of this episode. Seriously naked. Also, it's the last day. It's the final day for 50% off. Maps anywhere. I want to remind everybody, maps anywhere has been updated. Brand new, new videos, new blueprints. It looks really, really cool. This is the program that teaches you how to work out without equipment.

Starting point is 00:03:34 It's a full workout program you can do at home. You can actually do anywhere. It's what it's called maps anywhere. It's the final day for 50% off. So if you want to take advantage of this promotion, go to mapswhite.com and use the code white50wit 50 no space for your 50% off discount. Make sure you act fast. This is the final day. Two or three nights ago, I got a text message that looked just like if someone a normal person was text messaging you.

Starting point is 00:04:05 Yeah. And it was a girl, and it was like her lips down, and it was a selfie of her squeezing her boobs together. What? Yeah, and it said, Hey, honey, it's a Liana. I'm in town. Do you want to meet up? Fuck you. See, it's the same.

Starting point is 00:04:20 Wait a minute. Hold on a second. That's, and you don't. You obviously don't recognize it. Oh, I know. So it just comes like that. Yeah, it was, that stupid, identical one. Wait a minute, how are your numbers getting, so out there like that? Well, Facebook automatically puts your phone number up there

Starting point is 00:04:35 if you don't fucking take it down. So if you haven't looked at all your Facebook accounts, be careful because when you first start Facebook, it says options for you to open up your contacts and search your contacts to find friends. And I don't remember which one of my Facebook accounts I had that, but I was like going through like a year or two later and I saw my profile that my fucking cell phone number

Starting point is 00:04:58 was on there. I was like, oh shit, dude, this is crazy. Like somebody could actually grab my phone. Bro, that's straight up, that's, you better have a strong relationship with this kind of fire. That's dangerous, because I'm not imagine. I told my girl right away, I was just like, cause I showed her right away.

Starting point is 00:05:14 It's like a part of my phone and I was like, I know, I don't know. I don't know, the name, and it was a name, they God that I don't know, I don't even know a girl. No, what if it was random, Lisa and girl? I leave it like a Lisa or some shit. And they're like 20 things, they look like it. They look really bad, you know I don't even know a girl now what if it was randomly some girl I leave so like a Lisa or some shit like 20 things look like it really bad, you know That's terrible. Yeah, whoever's doing that's gonna get in big trouble because I guarantee you It's gonna cause problems for people because imagine if you have a relationship and you and your girl a little bit on the rocks a little bit and

Starting point is 00:05:42 Fuck me on the rocks. You can be in a good. You could I mean even my girl was like a little bit on the rocks a little bit and fuck me on the rocks. She gets it. You could, I mean, even my girl was like a little like, well, who, you sure it wasn't someone you know? I mean it. Yeah, I got like, still the 10 questions, even after a set girl from college. Yeah, she said, look at your outfit. She's like, you sure this is like one of your old girlfriends that I'm like, nah, dude, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:05:58 And it just literally says, hey, I'm not recognize those tits at all. Did they say your name? Hey Adam. No, it said it. Okay, that's it. Because they don't know your name. They your name? Hey Adam. No, it's okay. That's it. Because they don't know your name. It's like, hey, Han, and it was like, hey, Han, comma.

Starting point is 00:06:09 You know, it's- Did you respond? Like, who the fuck is this? No, I didn't even respond, because I knew it wasn't for me. Yeah, and it didn't seem like an accident. Like, it was obviously strategically, she took a shot to not show her eyes.

Starting point is 00:06:21 And so it was like her mouth and her tits. So you know, it's funny. How many guys do you think that'll actually work on? Like I think a lot. Like if I was single, I would respond to single. Yeah, you're just like, I was just walking around. I was like, hey, I haven't seen you in a while not knowing who it is.

Starting point is 00:06:38 Hey, what's going on? Oh, yeah. What would you put up to? Let's get a drink. My, that would work on someone like my brother. He's the kind of guy he'll get like a DM on Instagram. Hey, I like your profile. Looks like you've got certain amount of followers.

Starting point is 00:06:51 Do you want more followers? I think there's a lot of my brothers like, do people are trying to see my potential? I'm like, dude. You do realize that that's a fucking bullshit. You have nobody cares. Nobody cares like you're seven or a half. You get to get it all over the place.

Starting point is 00:07:03 Yeah. Yeah. You see my potential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I can see that piece of meat. I can see that actually working on some dudes where they'll get that text and then they'll be like, oh, oh, yeah, look at this. I mean, because we already think that, you know, it's gonna happen.

Starting point is 00:07:17 Yeah, yeah, just some chicks in a random randomly. Yeah, and what world? Yeah, like I'm an order pizza and it's gonna go down. Well, would it throw me for a loop? For sure, if it was like a name I recognize. I mean, if it was yeah like I'm a or a pizza that's gonna go down for a loop for sure if it was like a name I recognize I mean if it was a name I recognize out of it like what how do they know you're a guy, too You know, I mean is there a way to figure it because what if it was what if it was it was attached to my if it was attached to my Facebook program all right, you know, so these are These are scammers. This is not real. This is not like you know, I mean these are scammers

Starting point is 00:07:43 This is new to like I haven't had a text message for it This is not, you know what I mean? These are scammers. This is new too. Like I haven't had a text message like that. It's a scam for. It's a scam because you know what? I still get a lot of, which I used to get a lot more of before. Was that fake phone call from the IRS agent? Yeah. Have you guys gotten that? Yeah, I've gotten that a couple times.

Starting point is 00:07:57 Oh dude, oh, this is the IRS. You need to get back to us immediately. We need to rectify whatever. That one freaked out one of my old clients and she was having a horrible day as a result. It was just like, it came in with her hair just to shoveled and her eyes were just bags and it got me one time too because there was a time when it happened to hit me

Starting point is 00:08:18 the first time. So I think it's so smart because if it hits somebody at the right time, it makes sense. I remember I hadn't done my taxes in like two or three years. So you're already like, ah! Yeah, so I was like doing, I was doing, they called me finally.

Starting point is 00:08:32 I was doing back. It was on to me. I had just filed like these back taxes and I was like, oh fuck, you know, how much am I gonna owe and I'm gonna all stressed out about, I was already stressed about the taxes and getting caught up. And then I got that message and I was like, fuck, you know, you saw it.

Starting point is 00:08:46 It definitely's gotta get some people per time. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what they're counting on. They're counting on. And here's the thing, IRS is gonna call you on your phone. No. That's not protocol.

Starting point is 00:08:55 No, and they're not gonna threaten to take you to jail. No. They want your money. At the end of the day, they want your money. That's it. So they're gonna give you opportunities, given their money. So I have a buddy and I'm not gonna tell too much details because if he knows that I'm

Starting point is 00:09:08 talking about him, he'll be so mad. So I have a buddy who got a call from one of those scammers saying that they were from the IRS. And he, it's probably again, perfect timing. He kind of cheats on his taxes, kind of not. You know, it is a little bit of this like, maybe it's good, maybe it's not. So he was already, he felt really, really insecure about it, got really scared, and they scared the fuck out of him. So, you know what they talked him in doing?

Starting point is 00:09:31 And this is, by the way, till this day, if we ever drink together, I'll bring this up because it's such a sore spot for him, because it's the most, I don't know how someone could get closed so hard in such a dumb way. They got him to go buy a bunch of Like cash cards or what? No, they didn't swear to God They got it because they're like if you pay now, then we'll be will eliminate these fees and you don't have to listen to that He's like, well, how am I gonna pay now? How do I do that over the phone? So he went how do I do it? Let's give you all my bank account

Starting point is 00:10:02 He went to different Different like 7-Eleven or whatever and, and got those cash cards, and then read them the numbers of the cards over the phone, and gave them, like, 5 grand. And I'm like, at what? It works. I said, I told him, I said, any point, did you think to yourself, like, why does he RS?

Starting point is 00:10:16 Want me to get 15 cash cards, because they go up to a back, so, like, $500. And tell him, what was the phone? Did you ever think that? That was it. Right, like, there's some kind of hitman. Yeah, no, he was sweating, and he didn't do that. And I was like, back to like $500. Yeah, and tell them what the phone did you ever think that that was right? Like there's some kind of hit man. Yeah, no, he was he was sweating and he did that. I've had family members get nailed for the one word someone sends you an email from like overseas And they're like, oh, I got robbed and all my this I took a sob story. Yeah, they took my phone

Starting point is 00:10:40 They took all this stuff like that. Could you send me over like $100 or what about that? I've seen them getting nailed for shit like that. There's a few, very, very few people. It's so predatory. Especially with old people, dude. There's, I had another client who did that, one of my elderly clients, who somebody called them, said they were from Microsoft.

Starting point is 00:10:56 You need to update your whatever. Please give us access to your computer. He gave them access so that they were literally in his computer and they stole everything. Dude, they stole all the shit. You noticed, too, this totally ramps up, like, leading into the holidays. Yes. Like, they just, like, I mean, it's everywhere.

Starting point is 00:11:11 Oh, I had my, the first time I ever had the credit card fraud. So, I, and this was, the scary part to me was that they had it sent to my house. So I, I just used my credit card, I was shopping online for Christmas stuff and then like three weeks later I open my I go to my my front door on my deck right at my my old condo and There's like a full blown like computer setup. I mean tower bad-ass kid like all of a shit and it's like it's to me And I'm like looking at it. I'm like what this is like fucking $7,000 with the computer shit I'm fucking looking at it. I'm like, what? This is like fucking $7,000 with a computer shit. I'm fucking pay for this.

Starting point is 00:11:46 So I call them up and they're like, oh yeah, sir, no, you ordered it on this day. And I'm like, no, I fucking order any of this stuff. So these fools got it and had it shipped to my house. And then I'm assuming they were trying to time it and then get it off my deck. Oh, wow. Oh, shit. They actually shipped it to your house. That's the balls he moved. Yeah, they shifted to my place and then was probably I mean, I can't I don't know why else you would do that like why why order with my credit card

Starting point is 00:12:11 Have it sent to my house other than there's there's very few people in the world. I want to physically beat up The theft yes people that steal like that. I want to physically beat the chef Partially because these aren't like poor people that really like like you know what I mean? It's like, oh my god, I'm going to starve if I don't. No, these are fucking scammers, lazy fuckers who won't work and they, you know, that's what they do for a living. Yeah. And they just want to just take. Yeah, you just want to beam up, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:12:34 Like, like, school yard. I feel like it did. Like, school yard beam up. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Just choke them out. Anyway. How was your guys's holiday? Man, it was nice, dude.

Starting point is 00:12:43 It was so exciting. I am a little glad it's over I went through the the gauntlet of family and friends We had like 10 things you think yeah, that was that was a lot man It definitely definitely felt good. This just last two days where the first two days could train and I have been alone And I was like oh man. That's what we went to the warrior game last night and It just felt good to not have anybody in our house because we did. First we did the friends giving. Then we followed up with the

Starting point is 00:13:09 mind pump Thanksgiving. Then my uncle John and Aunt Jules came in stayed for two days. Then my mom and her husband Lonnie came in and stayed for two days. And then we had actual Thanksgiving with Katrina's family. So it was just like- So you're just ready to go bang everywhere, yeah. And we hosted, you know, we hosted most of that. Only one day, did we go to somebody else that we went to Katrina's family's house for actual Thanksgiving. But it was actually great, man.

Starting point is 00:13:37 And normally the family thing, I'm not, you know, my M.O. is I'm not a big fan of the that much family stuff. And I actually had a really good time. It was nice and it was nice to have everybody come over to our place and have a place that was comfortable for everyone to stay at. So I really enjoyed it. I had a really good time. And then man, to see, I mean, the business over this week has been, has been phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:13:59 It's been really nice. This is the first year I feel like we've been able to do, you know, Thanksgiving or, you know, vacation and see the business operate and keep the business still driving. Yeah. That's a really nice feeling. That was probably one of the main things that I was really thankful for this year is just, I mean, it was pretty neat to sit around and, uh, and to really enjoy that and then not be also working. Like it's kind of what I do is I'm typically, even when I'm off I'm still kind of working, but I really did take it off, man.

Starting point is 00:14:31 I took off some time and it was nice to see, it's Taylor's out in Italy right now and we've got people. He goes in, he just randomly goes in. He's like, he loves some girl out there still, right? I know, that's what's going on. And I told him too, when he told me he's going Italy, I'm like, are you gonna go meet up with that girl? That's out there.

Starting point is 00:14:48 He's like, I'm there for the V news. What if he doesn't come back? He's like a chick when it comes to those things. Chicks are really secretive about their personal life. He's not the normal guy. He don't kiss and tell. He doesn't say anything. He keeps everything undercover.

Starting point is 00:15:04 He don't like none of his personal business out there at all. Yeah, he is a bit secretive isn't it? Oh, he's big time. He's serious. Yeah, I'm mysterious. Mysterio. What if he didn't come back? What if he's, what if he's, what if he's going to get a text from Mary?

Starting point is 00:15:15 Yeah, I just got married. I just got married. I just went over to the Mind Plum Palace, right? So there's no way he didn't come back. They just all moved in together. We got Eli, Rachel and Taylor living together. I went over to see them after their first day. I'm moving all in. It was it's cool to see they're getting all the sponsors are filling the house up. So it's full of all kinds of my, I don't know if you're watching them.

Starting point is 00:15:36 My pump story. But it's starting. So check this out. So a mayor with Taylor and his house, their place has like a underground parking garage and they have you guys ever seen those rotating parking spots? Yeah. So they've got like those where you yeah you pull into like these really narrow garages and then they're they rotate so cars are on top of each other. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:02 I've never seen when a person I've seen them online. Yeah. They're pretty wild so that he's so you go and you enter your code like a Like a yeah, yeah, you put a Vinnie machine. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's super super wild. So I'm there and he's telling me that The the day before they were they had the moving truck down there and their unloading stuff and and the moving truck was kind of like Almost blocking one of these guys this this guy's got to pull up in a new Tesla. And Taylor was like, oh man, I'm sorry,

Starting point is 00:16:30 we're almost done. He's like, you know, let me move the trucks and get in, he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got it, I got it, I can get in and Taylor's like, no, it's, I can get in, he's like, do the guy was taking forever to like pull in. It was such a tight squeeze. He goes, and then he almost gets in

Starting point is 00:16:43 and then drags his whole fucking side. And just destroys the side of his Tesla. And I tell it to the other, I'm like, oh man, what a shitty way to start off your relations. You're like, you hurt your balls. Oh, dude, and you know that you know the neighbor inside is just like fucking mad, even though it's his, even though we said, I'll do that. Yeah, even though it's his fault, you know inside you're like, fuck this guy.

Starting point is 00:17:05 Damn. That sucks. Yeah, we did ours. We did ours at my aunt's house. And it's always a lot of people. We always have a ton of people at our get together. It's just like 30 or 40 people. And my cousins were all there.

Starting point is 00:17:17 By the way, we had a great post Thanksgiving workout. I'll tell you guys about that afterwards. Oh yeah, no, I smelled you guys when I came in. No, it was really good. What do you mean you smell to us? I came into workout. I forgot. I came in the air. Yeah, I came in that day. Katrina, me, I think every Taylor, I had a group that came in with me that I told everybody that we were going to meet there. And we just didn't get up that early.

Starting point is 00:17:41 I think we didn't get there till like 11 or noon. You must have been there earlier. But I forgot that you, you were going to go because I didn't see that just didn't get up that early. I think we didn't get there till like 11 or noon. You must have been there earlier. But I forgot that you were gonna go because I didn't see that you didn't post anything yet. And we get in the studio and it was really clean. It was all clean and nice. But there was this smell in the air and I'm like looking at Katrina, I'm like, who was smoking weed in our studio? And then it dawned on me. I was like, oh, this is fucking sound. This family girl coming in here. That's what we do.

Starting point is 00:18:08 That's a part of the workout. But no, I got to my aunt's house and my cousin had one of his friends come hang out with us because his friends family was at a town. So he came and had things to do with us. And just met this dude and he's a fucking mind-pump listener. So we're sitting down having great conversation and we started talking about, you just met him?

Starting point is 00:18:27 Yeah, just met the dude, you know, and I think I might have met him once before. Great guy, he's a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, I think he's a brown belt, a purple belt, high level competitor, real smart kid. And so we sat down and talked all about stuff that he's listened to on the show, and then the topic of cannabis came up. And we started talking about cannabis, and he had listened to on the show, and then the topic of cannabis came up.

Starting point is 00:18:45 And we started talking about cannabis, and he had listened to the episode where I had reduced my cannabis consumption, and my testosterone had gone up. So he's like, do you think my testosterone is being affected by my cannabis use in my home? As you guys are smoking weed. Yeah, I'm like, no, this is on my aunt's house. No, no, no, my aunt's house. And so I'm like, well, how much do you use?

Starting point is 00:19:04 And he's like, I use it every day my aunt's house. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And so I'm like, well, how much do you use? And he's like, I use it every day. And so we're going back and forth. And then we start talking about the science. And he's pretty privy up on the pharmaceutical companies who are starting to use cannabinoids to treat things. But here's what the pharmaceutical companies are running into. And this is something I was aware of as well,

Starting point is 00:19:21 but it's cool to hear from someone else. The problem with the pharma companies is medicine likes to take one compound, concentrate it, and then use that compound to treat illness. What they're finding in a lot of these studies is what they're calling the entourage effect when it comes to cannabinoids where when you have multiple cannabinoids combined, they seem to have a countering effect. Well, no, an effect that multiplies. So it's not like one plus hands is it.

Starting point is 00:19:51 Not just enhances it, enhances it more than the components add up to. So it's not like one plus one equals two. It's like one plus one equals three. And so I was talking to him and then the topic of our sponsors came up and I was talking to him about NED and how NED is the full spectrum hemp extract, which I appreciate because it has all the beneficial cannabinoids that you'll find in the different types of cannabinoids. Everything.

Starting point is 00:20:17 So we all know about CBD, we all know about TTC, but a lot of people don't know that other cannabinoids and terpenes, which are what give hemp or cannabis its smell, also has an effect on the body. And this may be why some people, for example, just talking about weed, if they smoke a strain that has, let's say a strain that's 10% CBD and 10% THC, or they'll smoke another string that has the exact 10% CBD, 10% THC. One makes them anxious and the other one relaxes them. And I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. It's because we're not at the point yet where we're really starting to calculate and figure out all the other stuff that's in the plant.

Starting point is 00:21:00 And so we were having this great conversation. He's, like I said, he's pretty privy to it. And he thinks that the pharma companies can have a tough time. Because as this stuff starts to come out more and more, people are going to start treating themselves with either cannabis, or if they want something that isn't, isn't psychoactive, hemp, like Ned, or they'll just use hemp oil extract. It's got all the cannabinoids, and it's more beneficial than getting pharmaceutical just CBD or whatever. So I thought that was, I thought that was,

Starting point is 00:21:29 that's really interesting. Yeah, I thought that was pretty fascinating. It makes me feel, because you can't just concentrate, it doesn't have that same sort of quality. That's the thing about nature that makes things that are natural, in some cases, better than things that are not natural.

Starting point is 00:21:43 It's that it has all these other things in it that comes with the package. And many times, things in nature, we co-evolved with nature. It's already balanced. Right, and so we basically utilize all these things in the way that they come together, rather than, for example, it's like saying,

Starting point is 00:22:00 it's like taking calcium for your bones. Well, now we know that without vitamin D, calcium alone, isn't nearly as effective. And in nature, you find some of these things in combination. And so it was a really, really good, interesting conversation. So we had a lot of fun with that. That makes me feel good about our sponsor, then.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah. Well, totally. So I told them all about Ned. And what he's going to do is he's going to start using, and this is his experiment. So I'm not necessarily recommending this. But he's going to start using, and this is his experiment, so I'm not necessarily recommending this, but he's going to start using Ned Hempoil Extract to reduce his intake of marijuana because the constituent in cannabis that probably affects your endocrine system the most

Starting point is 00:22:38 is the high amounts of THC, the psychoactive amount. So I said, you know, it might be better to just switch over to this for a little bit, so you can reduce your intake of cannabis, but still not get the crazy withdrawal. Speaking of our sponsors, Doug, would you look at, what's the name of the insurance that covers our Felix Grace? I've been wearing like all, all, you know,

Starting point is 00:22:56 during this time with those around family, everyone's like, when did you need glasses? And I was like having to explain, right? I'm wearing it. How are they talking to me? I'm just looking cool now. When did you start eating glasses? First of all, don't talk like that.

Starting point is 00:23:09 Because I've been wearing the few sprays more and more. I've just gotten their comfortable. I wonder if you, because I think everybody's sensitive to blue light, they're finding out everybody has negative effects from blue light. But some people are more sensitive than others. I wonder if you're just hypersensitive.

Starting point is 00:23:23 Yeah, it's not like me to take something like this and to wear it as much as I'm wearing it. Because they're not prescription, it's just... No, no, and they're super comfortable, man. They really, they don't feel like they're on my face at all. I don't feel like they change my vision at all. It's not like the old school amber color looking blue blockers, and I do feel better.

Starting point is 00:23:42 And my sleep, I've noticed noticed now that, I mean, cause here's the thing, who doesn't look at their phone up until eight, nine, 10 o'clock at night? It's so hard not to. So before it was kinda like, oh, only if I was doing like computer work and I was like really working on it, but now I'm just like, fuck it. I look at my phone and Instagram all fucking day

Starting point is 00:24:03 and night all the time, so I'm just gonna keep wearing them. Yeah, the phone's worse. And we're on our phone way more often. Yes. So yeah, it only makes sense. And I've seen you wear them like pretty much like all the time now. Yeah, it's been, they look good on you.

Starting point is 00:24:17 So, I mean, it sounds like it all look good. So I found out the other day, one of my buddies who bought him after he seen me wearing them and he loves him. And he says, hey, you should tell your audience that, and I forgot the acronym that he said. Oh, HSA. Is that what it, HSA, that's what it is.

Starting point is 00:24:33 Health savings accounts. Okay, so they, yeah, it's, it's, it's collecting. And it's like spending accounts. So they'll let you use that to buy these. Yes. Oh, wow. Wow, that's awesome.

Starting point is 00:24:41 Oh, that's pretty freaking rad. Yeah, I felt like such an asshole for not knowing that and not telling the audience. Yeah, because they also have the prescription for the reading glasses, like, you know, with the blue blocking effect, which is what I need, because I have the,

Starting point is 00:24:56 I kind of have been switching them out because I have the blue blocking ones, but then I also have my reading glasses, but like, I keep forgetting they have the combined one on the website. So, what does it say? They're pre-called. So, if the prescription glasses they're covered, if they're not prescription, if you're just getting them for the blue light blocking, then you have to check with your, you have

Starting point is 00:25:16 to check to see if they're covered for just the blue light blocking computer glasses. But if they're prescription, then they will be. That's right. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. Cool, right? Dude, so yeah, I mean, my Thanksgiving, we had celebrated my grandma's birthday, like, at the same time, it was pretty cool. She turned 96.

Starting point is 00:25:34 Wow. Dude, I was like, how does she look for 96? That's like 69, but back then. She looks 96. I mean, but yeah. I mean, like, she just, you move around. Yeah, no, she's still moving around and she's, it's interesting. Like usually when somebody old like breaks their hip, like this happened a few years ago, like it's, that's like,

Starting point is 00:25:54 you know, that's like a sentence right there. But like she totally fully recover. She's a very strong woman, like very strong willed and strong mind. I mean, it has dementia. So there's that, but at the same time, when we get her, like, focused on games, and so we played a ton of games, like throughout, you know, my Thanksgiving with cards, and we played like rook, and we played like Domino's, and all these different types, like Mexican train, and sounds like an oscillation. It's the name of the game, it's a domino game, but it also sounds like it could be a porn title. Don't Google that.

Starting point is 00:26:35 Yeah, don't Google that. Don't Google Mexican train. Yeah, I didn't want to bring that up in front of the family, but yeah, no, we had a lot of fun. It was great to see like my mom's side, there's like the women on my mom's side just have this ability to live just like to like 100, man. And it's like crazy.

Starting point is 00:26:53 It's just, it's crazy to me, but it's great. It was great to see all the generations all in one place. And she recognized it and was like, you know, seeing like my kids, my brothers' kids and all interacting and everything. So yeah, we had a great time. How long do you guys wanna live for? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:27:09 You know, I have this, I would like to live a long fucking, but I would like to live a long time, but be held to. 110, I would like to hit the hundred mark. I was thinking about that. You know what percentage? I wanna go. You know how small of a percentage the population

Starting point is 00:27:21 makes it very, very small. It's extremely small, right? It's super, super, super rare. Yeah, that's why they study places. They're little world men, right? Especially for men. But that's why if you want to live to 100, your highest chance of doing that

Starting point is 00:27:32 or if you move to Sardinia and just start living like that, that's the highest concentration of men over the age of 100. I also hear that's like one of the most beautiful places in the world. Supposed to be gorgeous. I've never been there, but it's an island off the coast of Italy, and it's supposed to be absolutely phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:27:48 But it's one of the, I think it has the highest concentration of men over the age of 100 than anywhere else in the world. That's crazy. I would love to live a long time, so long as I'm sharp, and I can function. You know what I'm saying? I don't think this whole like extending your life, but then you being totally sick, that kind of shitty. That sounds like torture.

Starting point is 00:28:07 No, I want to mean to, I mean, if that's why it's so important to keep working out and keep up everything and keep your mind sharp. I feel like it's going to be our generation that has some sort of a crazy breakthrough that's going to allow a lot of us to live beyond a hundred. We'll see, dude, you know what would be weird? Because here's something we need to consider. I mean, look what we've seen happen in just in the last like 15 20 years You're right. You're right But consider this like because now we're starting to have to reevaluate Retirement age and when people get benefits and all that stuff because people are just living a long fucking time

Starting point is 00:28:37 So it's bankrupting the system But also, you know the human psyche. I mean we evolved to not live that long So imagine if all of a sudden the lifespan let's say doubled But also, the human psyche, I mean, we evolved to not live that long. So imagine if all of a sudden the lifespan, let's say doubled, let's say the average human instead of living to, what's the average now, 75 or something like that? I'd say 160. Yeah, say it was 160. That was the average, which means that some people probably make it close to 200. I mean, what does that mean?

Starting point is 00:29:00 Does that mean you have to work rather than retiring your 60s, you're gonna retire when you're a hundred, because how you're gonna support yourself after that, or you're gonna see more people go through different careers, because think about that. If you live till you're 160, you theoretically could have two, three successful long-term careers, you know?

Starting point is 00:29:19 And you can watch your grandchildren have the- I think we're already seeing that now, where people are working working longer and longer and I actually think that that actually contributes to the longevity. I think that you know part of what you see when a lot of people retire they begin dying because you lose kind of purpose. That's actually true. I think yeah retirement. I don't ever want to like fully retire. I don't ever. It doesn't matter what money amount I have. I feel like I always will want to have something that I'm working at or working towards.

Starting point is 00:29:50 So I do. I do. I have repurposing your efforts in a different direction. Yeah. Bro, it's like realizing your skills. It's like, you know, my uncle, he retired early. And then after that, he completely renovated his backyard, his front yard.

Starting point is 00:30:04 He was like, you didn't know what to do, you know what I mean? He's like remodeling everything and he's like, he told me he's like, he's like a sucks because every morning I would wake up and go to work and now I don't have that. And I don't know what to do with myself. He's not driving force, dude. I was getting, did you see what Andy Galpin,

Starting point is 00:30:21 Dr. Andy Galpin posted, just recently? No, no, no, no, oh, dude. He was talking about CRISPR, you know, the CRISPR program? Andy Galpin, Dr. Andy Galpin posted just recently. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no They're saying they did it for. So apparently the father was HIV positive. That's what it is. The mother was HIV negative and they wanted the baby to not have HIV. So he edited the genes of the fetus. To not have it.

Starting point is 00:30:54 So that it would not get the HIV, which I think is bullshit because there's lots of very basic treatments now that will do that. I think with a country like China that's so centralized and controlled by the government that they're just doing what other fuck they can. They're just looking for the next advantage to see what they can do.

Starting point is 00:31:14 So it's a matter of time before we start seeing some. Yeah, I don't think there's any barriers. I feel like it, break this study down, I just now pulled up Andy's thing. What all went down here? I didn't even know. They edited the genes of... So CRISPR is the...

Starting point is 00:31:28 Well, they claim he claims it wasn't proven that this actually happened, but... But it's possible. But it's possible. Because we've done this with animals. Yeah. So this technology lets you literally edit genes. They did this with sheep, right?

Starting point is 00:31:41 Yeah, I think that was in England. So this is the first human that was edited from using this technology, if it's true. But I think that's the future. I really do, I think selectively, a parents will go through this process of selecting the types of genes they want their kids to already have.

Starting point is 00:31:58 Here's what it'll happen is you'll take the two people who you're mixing to make this child, right? So you're taking the father and the mother and within those genes and combinations, you have an upper limit of intelligence. You have a lower limit of intelligence. You have an upper limit of health, a lower limit of health, an upper limit of physical performance, whatever. So they'll just edit the best possible outcome for their combination.

Starting point is 00:32:23 Combine that theory with what Elon Musk believes as far as like how we're going to be able to process and download information like, oh wait, we're not going to create AI robots. We're going to turn ourselves into it. Totally. Yeah. That's my belief. I do not think I don't think they'll take over. I think we're just going to meld.

Starting point is 00:32:39 No, it's this is another jump in evolution of the race of humans. Yeah. It's just going gonna happen like crazy. We're gonna be so obsolete. I know. We're gonna be the old like, Fogies. You know, just watching it all happen. Everybody's gonna be all smart and jumping over our head.

Starting point is 00:32:54 And grandkids will be like, my grandfather's such a name. Yeah, you're so slow and dumb. Yeah, you know, he doesn't know anything. You're like, hey, hey, let me tell you what happened. I'm more angry. I know what happened, grandfather. I just looked it up in my brain. Yeah, I'm connected to the internet. Yeah, anything. You're like, hey, hey, let me tell you what happened. I'm more angry. I know what happened, grandfather. I just looked it up in my brain.

Starting point is 00:33:05 Yeah. I'm connected to the internet. Yeah. Right. Our brain won't be able to process at their speed, you know, so we're just gonna be left in the dust. Actually knew what you were gonna say in fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:16 Yeah, they all like tell a connector or whatever. So check this out, you're gonna love this. So there's this thing going on right now where, so you know how there's a lot of like these snapchat, they call them Snapchat sex workers, where they'll charge like money. I call that Snapchat. Yeah, that's right, exactly.

Starting point is 00:33:33 And maybe that's what we got our text message. That's true. So these are people that use Snapchat and will sell them doing stuff over Snapchat. And it's become a big business. Like a lot of people are paying for this and there's a lot of people you want. They'll tell you pictures or Snapchat with you.

Starting point is 00:33:49 I've talked about this a lot. That's the new thing with the girls on Instagram. Yes, it's like peep-shuts back in the day, right? Like these creepy dudes going off, this is in New York where they'd paid for the door to open and then they'd watch them do stuff. Well, they're trying to, oh tell me. Yes, what?

Starting point is 00:34:05 Wow, wow, wow. So what do you think, what do you, okay, let me ask you guys a question. What happens when something starts to make a lot of money? Who starts to perk up their ears and say, hold on a second, we need a cut of that. Go for me dude. The IRS.

Starting point is 00:34:16 No, the IRS. The IRS is now going after these snapchat, you know, sex workers. Okay. And they're telling people to report them and they're trying to get on them about reporting how much income they've made. I heard a rumor.

Starting point is 00:34:31 I heard a rumor, it's really hard for the IRS to track. And what I mean by hard is I mean, like if they actually made the effort to it, I think it's just because there's so many people doing it to track like income on Venmo and PayPal and the transactions like that. Do you know anything about that? I don't, I don't know, but the last people

Starting point is 00:34:48 I would ever mess with are the IRS. Oh no, I agree. I'm just saying like that, because how many of these girls are really paying their taxes on this, right? Well, I mean, if let's say the IRS is looking at potential money and they're calculating,

Starting point is 00:35:03 well, we could be collecting all this revenue. Trust me, they'll find ways of doing it. Yeah, it's traceable if it's electronic, you know? Exactly, it's not cash. Yeah, and they're doing this in person. So that's, yeah, it's gonna sneak up and bite them. Yeah, and I wanna interview a girl that's like making really good money doing this.

Starting point is 00:35:22 Can we look, can we find one of these? Can we? We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll we? Yeah, I post it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a tech tech girl back. Yeah. You wouldn't have a new guy trying to get your hair. I am in your air research. Actually, you want to come on the show? No, I'm just, I would be really interested to hear somebody who's got a legitimate following. And because I've, you know, there's quite a few of these girls that have come across that have a good size following hundreds of thousands, maybe some of's quite a few of these girls that I've come across that have a Good size following hundreds of thousands maybe some of them in a million and they all do these

Starting point is 00:35:52 You know paid monthly Things where they you get access to just photos for 1999 you get access to Photos and you get to communicate with them via snapchat for this much then you get full on like video conversations, with IE, sex talk, right? For X amount of, and they're all monthly subscriptions, and I'm thinking, man, if these girls got a few hundred thousand followers, and if you just got half of a percent of those people. You're making good money.

Starting point is 00:36:20 Yeah, you're making probably really good money. It's funny because a lot of these girls or people, I should say, because I'm sure there's some guys doing it too, but just the market for guys is not good. I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's almost like, I don't know, if you ever thought about doing prostitution,

Starting point is 00:36:35 I would go this route first. Way safer. But you have to be kind of, I think you have to be better looking though to do it this way. You know what I'm saying? Like you can make more money. Like if you're not attractive,

Starting point is 00:36:46 you're not gonna sell your photos or videos to someone, but they may pay you to give them a hand job or something like that. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like, I feel like, I mean it's true. Look at it like any other business, you know what I'm saying? Lots of liars.

Starting point is 00:36:58 Yes. $100 for a hand job. Or my buddy Steve could do it for 25. I mean, a quarter of the price. He'll do it, you just look at his clothes, my eyes, okay. You can think of me while you do it. I'll look at you.

Starting point is 00:37:13 You got soft hands. He'll do it. No, it's funny because some of these people using Snapchat to make money wanted it to be a legitimate business. And we're like, this needs to be legal, this needs to be legitimate. Now they're all, fuck, we have to pay taxes. What's going on?

Starting point is 00:37:30 I'm waiting for the next big thing to pop up. Oh, that reminds me, talking about all this social media stuff. Have you guys watched the movie searching yet? Did you watch it? No, I haven't watched it. Damn you, watch it. Damn you, I want to talk to you about it. I think it's really fast.

Starting point is 00:37:43 I thought you guys were going to watch it that night. No, I was going to watch it. Would you bail watch something else? Yeah, I don't remember what we watched. We watched something else, but I'll watch it. Aren't all the good movies supposed to be coming out right now, isn't it? I just watched Record Ralph last night. I thought, what a smart movie. It was great. It actually did a very, very good time. It was smart. Yeah. It's really, really smart. The way they tackled the internet and the way they tackled using the internet and all that stuff Yeah, it's a funny wit and air, you know with the princesses and all that Oh, yeah, yeah, they make fun of the different princesses. It's pretty good It's pretty fine. I feel like we should have some really get somebody told me to watch the

Starting point is 00:38:17 Our forum someone posted the the documentary follow me. It was a guy who was going around talking about You know building a social media business and it's not, it wasn't that good, so I'm not recommending to anybody else to go watch it, it lost me after about 30 minutes. But you know what I think is so funny? Is there's just a plethora of these social media people that are trying to get you to pay them

Starting point is 00:38:41 to help you build a following? And I just think it's so funny because every one of them, oh yes, let's talk about this. They have like a thousand followers or less. I'm like, why would I ever pay somebody to build them? Even like 20,000. Yeah, dude, go away. Right, you're not killing it.

Starting point is 00:38:56 No, why would I pay someone to teach me to do something that they couldn't even do for themselves? It's so funny because- It's like hiring a fat trainer. Yeah, it is. It's a very sense like any baker. I don't care how is. It is very sense any bacon. I don't care how smart Yeah Carehouse smart you are man. You can't apply some of that shit towards it

Starting point is 00:39:11 It's funny if you think about it if you have like three million legitimate followers on Instagram You could easily make help people build their Instagram following pay me and I'll just share your post on my right It doesn't make any sense to me. No, it's all scamming It's a hustle. So did you guys speaking of the forum? I love it. Oh God, I love the forum so much for this one thing, right? First of all, the discussions on the forum get so good.

Starting point is 00:39:34 We have so many smart people on there. We were having this debate about whether or not science needs religion, art, ferro, or morality. Post that, right? Yeah, and we were going back and forth, and I apologize if I don't remember your name, but one of our forum members actually researches this,

Starting point is 00:39:53 actually researches. Oh, really? Yeah, the psychology behind morality. And he said the people who act in his research so far from what they've seen, the people who act the most moral are the ones who have morality or a type of morality as their central way of living. And that's the argument for religion

Starting point is 00:40:12 because it becomes the top thing that you follow, type of you. So we had this great discussion, but anyway, the other thing I love about the forum is that I don't have to look for articles or studies anymore. People just post them on there, left them right and tagged me, and I get to read this all some stuff This is a business post. It's not a science one

Starting point is 00:40:27 But you guys will fucking love this one. In fact, I tagged you guys. I don't know if you looked at it So trip off this is Amazon one. Do you know big fucking Amazon is getting? Yeah, I read all about bro. Amazon is expected ready for this to take almost 50% Yeah of the US e-commerce market by the end of the year. Crazy. And Walmart isn't number two. Walmart gets like six percent. Bro, 50 half, half of everything that's bought or sold

Starting point is 00:40:55 on the internet in America is Amazon. Apple was like 12 or something. It's like a huge discrepancy between you know. For sure, one of the best books, and I got asked this on my Insta Story yesterday. So herecy between for sure one of the best books and I got asked to some of my Insta story yesterday, so here you go like one of the best books I've written a read in the last Five years has been the four that book is so fucking good You guys if you if you like this stuff if you're listening that book is a must

Starting point is 00:41:18 Well, bro check this out. Okay second place. So you're like oh shit 50% what second place getting second place is you in percent 6.6% Yeah, that's second place. Yeah first place is it's they're getting all the way down to six Yes, now here's the thing because a lot of people might have an issue with this Be like oh, they're getting too big or whatever. No the reason why they're that big is they're good Yeah, they're kicking every because there's no there's no laws in place to protect Amazon from competition So it's not a monopoly because of laws or whatever. They're literally doing this because they're murdering everyone because they're so good.

Starting point is 00:41:49 They are, they're expected to reach $258 billion this year, which is 30% higher from a year ago. That's how much they've grown. Yeah, that's insane. I have a prediction, by the way. I think that this last, this Black Friday, or this holiday season, I predict there's gonna be one of the biggest spent seasons

Starting point is 00:42:10 that we've seen in a long time, because the way the economy has gone up and the perception of the economy's gone up. Oh, plus, they created their own day, like a Black Friday day, they call it Prime Day, right? That's just another addition to this whole mega juggernaut. Well Amazon is a beautiful thing because they allow all these small businesses and stuff

Starting point is 00:42:32 to be able to sell their stuff online. It really lowered the barrier to enter that market, which is why they're so fucking successful. And then Prime, if you really think about it, what a gamble that was when they first came out with Prime. We're gonna give you free shipping on everything for this one flat rate, but they knew that they would just gobble up.

Starting point is 00:42:49 And the first with the one click, yeah, I mean, they just went right to it. You know, like, let's do this. Everybody wanted it. I mean, I don't, it still blows my mind that people go out and actually shop right now. I mean, I was, I thought I was late to the party. I'm not forget about it.

Starting point is 00:43:04 By getting on board about two years ago, but now it's like, it's so rad. Like Katrina and I, we went to her fan, like Thanksgiving, that's also when we do all the exchanging the names and who, because that's what we do with her family, right, you pick one person you buy for and then we buy for any of the kids, right?

Starting point is 00:43:17 Yeah, that's what we do too. And then, you know, right afterwards that we were in all in a group thread, everybody sends their Christmas list. And it's like, we sat down, you know, in front of a fire, having a glass of wine and did all of our shopping. He was like, and then the best part is it comes in a box.

Starting point is 00:43:31 You know what I'm saying? So then you just gotta wrap it. I mean, it's like, this was way too easy. Yeah, and I actually enjoy it. I really like, because I hate going to the mall, going to the store around this time. It's like, I get so mad at myself if I go there and I forget that it's holiday season.

Starting point is 00:43:48 Like how many times have you done that? Sometime between? Why is there no parking? Yeah, oh, I forgot. It's that time of year. Was there any riots or craziness? Cause I know, I would drove by Best Buy and I was going to go to Home Depot to get some stuff

Starting point is 00:44:03 and there was still going to go to Home Depot to get some stuff and there was still like those railings in between the, like they had like huge lines there the day before for Black Friday, so I'm wondering if there was still like hysteria physically. Dude, I don't know, but I'll tell you what, what we're seeing right now, because here's some other news and believe me, it's all connected.

Starting point is 00:44:21 GM and Ford are laying off shit tons of people. 14,000. Did you guys see this? Ford are laying off. Shit tons of people. 14,000. Did you guys see this? Shit tons of people. 14,000. Yeah, just tons. And what's happening right now is you are seeing,

Starting point is 00:44:32 and I know why, it's because a lot of money is going into automated cars or self-driving cars. And what you're seeing, what you're going to see in the next 10 years is so much disruption in the market. Like the old dogs of the auto industry, that's gonna be shook up like crazy. And then retail, retail brick and mortar businesses are gonna be shook up like crazy.

Starting point is 00:44:54 And we're just starting to see, if Amazon sales increased 30, we're already massive last year, 30% from last year. What are you think is gonna happen in 10 years? That means everybody's going, you know, into the like,, on the internet to buy everything. That's just where it's going.

Starting point is 00:45:08 It's going to be crazy. It's so disrupting. I can't even imagine. It's one of those moments in history where it's hard to imagine what it's going to look like. Like, we can guess, but I don't think anybody really knows what it's going to look like. And it's, for me, it's exciting,

Starting point is 00:45:23 because there's so much wealth being created right now and so many opportunities, I think it's pretty fucking rad. But I'm like, you add, I hate going to the store. Jessica loves it. Oh, really? Yeah, she likes the whole Christmas music. Decorated, not. Yeah, she likes the Christmas music.

Starting point is 00:45:37 She likes the Coca-Cola. She likes the Christmas music. She likes the Christmas music. She likes the Coca-Cola. She likes the Christmas music. She likes the Christmas music. She likes the Coca-Cola. She likes the Christmas music. She likes the Coca-Cola. She likes the Christmas music. She likes the Coca- refuse to go anywhere there right now. No, the way to do it is go to a Christmas tree ranch and go cut your tree, have all that

Starting point is 00:45:49 hot cocoa, all that kind of stuff, and then you don't have to get all the consumers in your way. Did you just, you just bought yours or whatever? Just cut your tree. What kind of a tree was it? Douglass for it. It is a Douglas for it. Okay, that's a good one I heard. Yeah, I don't know what, I don't know any other options. You know, there's a good one I heard. Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know any other options. You know, there's a silver noble. There's a... Well, I think the Douglas fir isn't that the one that's supposed to last a while?

Starting point is 00:46:10 Like the best, the hardest or whatever. Yeah, you know why I'm asking? Because I... It smells good. We didn't cut down a tree. We went to a lot in Los Gatos of all places and I bought myself a Douglas fir, a Cosmog hundred bucks. I'm like, why is this tree so expensive?

Starting point is 00:46:23 Like, is it because it's this... So how much did you pay for your tree? Six, five. Yeah, cost me 100 bucks. I'm like, why is this tree so expensive? Like, is it because it's this, so how much did you pay for your tree? 65. Yeah, I see. Wow. That's for an already cut. Yeah, that's robbery. Yeah, I feel like.

Starting point is 00:46:32 That's about right, dude. Is it really? Oh, yeah, Christmas trees are typically, every the last, I don't know, five years are trees anywhere between 100 and 150, for sure. Really? Yeah, but aren't there cheaper ones? Yeah, of course.

Starting point is 00:46:42 You could spend 40 bucks on a tree and get a Charlie Brown tree My kids wanted the the white the ones that were sprayed with white So we do cancer all over it. I love it. I said no Who knows what that is? I do like my justice. It's called what's it called? It's called um fuck. What's the name of the white stuff that they spray on it? It's I can't remember it was a snow bro No, it's not snow. It's not real It's it't remember. It's snow, bro. No, it's not. It's not real. It's it's something.

Starting point is 00:47:07 It's a funny name. Make sure you're gonna say Giz. No, no, no, I did it. No, I'm glad you held out. Oh, my God. The Giz tree. Yeah. Mary Christmas.

Starting point is 00:47:16 No, but my daughter wanted one so bad. And I'm like, no, I'm like, who knows what the fuck is in this white stuff that they spray all over it? What do you mean you who would take your breath? This shit, keep it all the chemicals out, man. What's it called? It's like, there right there. Yeah, I don't know, there's a name for it.

Starting point is 00:47:31 I don't remember. Flock. Yeah, I knew it was a funny name. Flock? Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause I was, I was, cause I was, cause I was messing with my kids all the time. Yeah, what are you doing? So you get fluck in my dreams.

Starting point is 00:47:41 You know what's funny, you're new. The fact that you, I bet you, I bet you, I bet you there flak in my dreams. You know what's funny? You're new. The fact that you at Bet you. Shut the flock. I bet you. I bet you there is a ton of guys that are paranoid just like you. And I bet you somebody has made like an organ. Natural flock? Yes. Organic line or something.

Starting point is 00:47:55 Organic flock. Look it up. Look it up. I bet you there is something. You should have been spoken. Why were we sponsored by that? That would have been a great sponsor for it. Hey, damn it. For all you tree flockers out there. Stop flakining the fake stuff.

Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah, that's a flock out here. Yeah, so that's that's why I knew there was a funny name because my daughter kept saying it and I was cracking up. And then we started making jokes about it. Yeah, anyway, that reminds me of this one skit. It was a cork soakers. What? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:19 What's that? It's a, so like these Italian, it was on SNL. Was that why you were looking at me? Yeah, they were at, they were at like, it's winery and they were like, hey, what are you doing? Hey, we're sucking the corks, huh? I'm such a good cork, a sucker. Oh, anyways.

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Starting point is 00:49:07 Quee-qua. First question is from Shawnee Step. What's the difference between mobility training and yoga? I get this a lot. I've picked a big difference. I picked this question because I do get this a lot. A lot of people assume a lot. They do and they assume that if they're doing like static stretching or yoga,

Starting point is 00:49:27 that they're doing the same things that you would be doing in mobility, and it's not true at all. No, yoga is a structured methodology of exercise or whatever you wanna call it, but it's a modality. Yeah, it's a modality, it's a structured class. Now, traditional yoga, when you do it properly, or you're maintaining tension in the movements

Starting point is 00:49:51 and you're doing the poses and you're flowing through them, does improve mobility quite well, but it is not mobility training. It's yoga. Mobility training is very specific to the individual specific. Yeah, like if I, it'd be like saying, I don't know, it'd be like saying another sport that's good for building strength in comparison to strength training. Strength training is individualized, so is mobility training. I could take an individual and I could look at the areas that they need to focus on and

Starting point is 00:50:20 I could design a mobility type of workout for them to benefit them specifically. Yoga is just a structured type of class. Not only that, but most yoga poses are stationary static stretching. You always talk about this like flowing it out, but most yoga, if you're taking a yoga class, you get into a pose and you hold a pose for a long time. Some of them, there's the Yin yoga,

Starting point is 00:50:40 like Yin yoga where you get into a pose and then you hold it and then you just sit there and relax. Right. But like the Vinyasa type classes and the Vinyasa flows, you're in these positions and what you're supposed to do is you're not supposed to sit in them and let your joints support, you're supposed to maintain tension. I think Yen Yoga is the most popular one. I think when you think like every class that I ever saw at 24-hour fitness, which is probably a big majority of some of these people taking these free classes, they're, they're staticals.

Starting point is 00:51:09 Yeah, no, I don't know if it's the most popular, but you're right, there's different versions because yoga now is this American, you know, it's become this American phenomenon where they'll call it yoga, any stretching is gonna be associated with yoga at this point. There's the same thing with CrossFit, any kind of functional exercises associated with CrossFit.

Starting point is 00:51:30 Yeah, like I saw once class, it was a strength yoga, and I'm like strength yoga, and I watched the class, and they were doing yoga holding dumbbells. So it's like, well, just because you're holding dumbbells doesn't make it straight ahead. And it also doesn't make it yoga. But again, yoga is a structured class. Mobility and training is totally different. Look, what I would do for my body for mobility is going to be very different than what Justin may do for his body for mobility, which may be different than what Doug will do for his

Starting point is 00:51:56 body for mobility. This is why we created maps prime and maps prime pro within those programs or tests that you take yourself and you identify areas of your body that you lack good mobility. But, you know, I think we need to define mobility another time. I know we've done it before on the show, but I think people confuse it with flex like range of motion or motion. No, yeah. So it's actually the ability to have strength in all of the incremental angles of that range of motion.

Starting point is 00:52:27 So basically, I'm flexible and I have the capacity to achieve greater range of motion, but I am actively intrinsically able to produce force from each one of those angles. Yeah, so like babies, babies are really flexible, but they don't have good mobility. Like a baby, you could stretch their legs out in arms, but they don't have any control over that range of motions. That's just painting a picture. So you see a lot of people who have this crazy flexibility, but they don't have strength within that rate, that flexibility. So they have poor mobility. And so that's what we're referring to mobility. That's what we're talking about.

Starting point is 00:53:07 A mobility training aims to give you the ability to own all of your ranges of motion. Because where injuries tend to happen is in ranges of motion that you just don't own. You'll move in a particular way and you don't necessarily have control or stability in that way that you're moving. You got there through momentum or you got there through some other

Starting point is 00:53:26 Means to where like your body is now in this position. It's it doesn't really recognize or have an ability to get out of. Yeah, I would say that yoga is if somebody is looking to improve their mobility and they don't have a lot of time or access to training or information and they just want to go do something structured that they could show too. It's not bad. If you do the right yoga class, it's not bad. It'll probably help you. Especially if it's complemented with some good traditional strength training. Yeah. You know, especially if you're training weight training two to three times a week and then you're on opposite days, you're going and doing yoga.

Starting point is 00:54:06 I think there's nothing wrong with that, and I think there's a lot of benefit to that. And I think too, like, is it the Yin yoga that's more of the parasympathetic or what we're trying to really kind of bring the heart rate down? And so like, I see value in that in terms of like recovery, active recovery days, and not like, but then again, you see these other yoga classes

Starting point is 00:54:26 that are like extreme and it's like heat yoga and you know, you're holding these poses for like an insane amount of time. And so it becomes something totally different. Hot yoga is really cool. I enjoy it. It's, you get the benefits of the heat. So which is all good.

Starting point is 00:54:44 We know about temperature contrast. Right. And then heat depresses the central nervous system and increases range of motion and flexibility. If you're super flexible, you don't want to do hot yoga because that's where you can actually hurt yourself. If you're super flexible, even yoga is not ideal. Yeah. Well, for guys like me, who's tight, who's fuck, hot yoga or yoga.

Starting point is 00:55:04 And yoga is into the position. Yeah, like yin yoga was great for me because what I would do is I go take a yin yoga class and it's sitting these poses on the floor for three minutes and it's crazy when you do this because you'll stretch and it'll hurt and then like 30 seconds or a minute into it, you get a little deeper

Starting point is 00:55:21 and then you'll try to relax and then you get a little deeper. And like by the end of it, you're like, okay, I need someone to pull me out now. Yeah. Because I'm in a range of motion, I have no control over. But then what I would do is I would take that and then I'd go and I'd work out with weights, really light, and I'd play in those ranges of motion

Starting point is 00:55:35 to try and connect to them, which is I think what's really important. Now, I have nothing bad to say about you. I think yoga's incredible. And like if we could complement it with strength training, it's ideal, right? If we're doing two to three times a day of weight lifting and then yoga once or twice, I think is great.

Starting point is 00:55:51 The problem that I have is that, most yoga classes are an hour long, and I just don't have that much time to dedicate to doing a lot of these stretches in conjunction with my strength training. So when I do mobility drills, I'm doing typically two to five, depending on my time, or what exercises I'm doing that day,

Starting point is 00:56:14 that are very specific to what's making the most improvements on my body. So, an example is like a lizard with rotation, a 90, 90, combat, and like a zone one test that we have in prime for my upper body. So those are like staple mobility drills that I try and do as much as I possibly can.

Starting point is 00:56:39 Now, where I see the major benefit of mobility training versus yoga is, I know that those those five exercises are so are the most beneficial to what I've got going along with my body and I don't need a whole hour of structure to do that. I can do that. I can do one of those exercises right now. I can in between us talking right now, I could drop down and do some combat stretch for two minutes and get some really good benefit from it. And that, to me, is far more beneficial

Starting point is 00:57:09 than taking a kind of generic class that is. They do a broad stroke of all these different movement abilities. And so it's good for a practice if you do have the time to kind of hit up all those areas. But yeah, to be more specific and be efficient with your training, I definitely recommend specific mobility type movements that you practice and you ritualize

Starting point is 00:57:33 before, after or throughout the day to address very specific issues that you have. Well, something else needs to be... Two things. One. One yoga is also a class. So classes are never going to be as good for you as things that are individualized. What? I'm not going to start going there. We're hammering this again. Here we go. But I got a lot of people. Did you get more? I did. Oh yeah, good times. But I also got just as many people that I think that it helped have them look at it in a different, in a different light, you know, and I don't think it's a, I don't think it's much as a negative't think it's as much as a negative thing

Starting point is 00:58:07 as much as it is me saying or us saying that. We're just shining a little light on it. Well, there's something more ideal. Of course, of course. So here's the other thing too, that needs to be stated more often. Okay. Proper resistance training.

Starting point is 00:58:21 Okay, emphasis on the word proper. Is a fantastic way to improve your flexibility and mobility. It's fantastic. If you do it right, if you go to the gym, and you're perfecting your squat, and you're practicing your squat, the way that we talk about,

Starting point is 00:58:35 where you're not in there to hammer yourself, but you're in there to practice and perfect the form of a squat. You're constantly challenging your ranges of motion with a little bit of load, and you're moving deeper and deeper deeper and you're improving your mobility. If you're properly doing a chest press with dumbbells especially or a fly or you're properly doing a dumbbell pullover or a pullup or you're properly doing a stiff leg of deadlift

Starting point is 00:58:58 or any exercise, there is a stretch component to the many of these exercises and if you do them right, you'll improve your flexibility and mobility. And that's not set enough. And it needs to be said more. That resistance training is a fantastic way. Even basic resistance training. If you do it the right way and you're doing it properly,

Starting point is 00:59:17 you're not in there trying to beat yourself up and you're not focusing on your form, you'll get probably all the mobility improvements that you need for the average person would need, I should say, because most people don't need insane levels of mobility and flexibility. They need the type of mobility and flexibility that allows them to do their day-to-day tasks, drive a car and not hurt. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:41 You know, pick something up off the ground without hurting themselves, play with their kids, throw it for his B, throw a baseball, reach up above their head and grab something out of the cupboard, twist in the car to grab something behind them. That's the kind of everyday mobility people need. In traditional resistance training done properly, it gives you more than that. It gives you enough, you know, what you're probably going to need. Now, of course, people like to train themselves harder and like to achieve greater levels of performance, just like, you know, I'm stronger than I'll ever need to be.

Starting point is 01:00:09 And that's totally fine. In which case, structured individualized mobility training before your workouts is probably your best bet. Again, I mean, like Adam said, I don't have any issues with yoga. I took yoga for a little while. But it is a structured class. If you like that, that's great. But if you're just looking to improve mobility,

Starting point is 01:00:29 mobility training is gonna be a little bit more superior. The other thing about yoga, that's interesting. If you guys take in a lot of yoga, I know you at one point we're gonna do. We're gonna do it. Not a lot, but I've taken a few. It's yoga, it's funny because, and this is the thing I hate about fitness is so tribal.

Starting point is 01:00:47 So you walk into a, you know, you walk into a CrossFit box or a Bodybuilder gym or a Power Lifter gym, you know, you kind of get that sense of it, right? Man, yoga is fucking tribal, especially when you're a dude that goes in there, it looks like you lift weights. Like I took some classes and the looks I got and the way that the instructors talked to me in the class, I was like wow, you really don't want me to come back, it feels like, like everybody's kind of looking at me,

Starting point is 01:01:15 like look at the big tight guy over there, the muscle head or whatever, and I got that impression quite a bit, and it made me give me a little bit of empathy for people who go into gyms first time, who may feel that, you know, that kind of a vibe. So that's the one thing about yoga,

Starting point is 01:01:28 I'll knock is that I've been to quite a few classes where you a little bit of that tribal. I feel like it's a little bit of every, I think it's like that with almost every, every modality and the refelt it before it. Because I think a lot of people that are hardcore yoga people, trying to change their mind that it hasn't been like the one of the most impactful things for them is almost

Starting point is 01:01:45 impossible because if you are somebody who is super tight and have a ton of overactive muscles, they don't exercise. And that are causing chronic pain in your body. And then you start taking yoga and you start to eliminate a lot of this chronic pain. That's like a life thing. Everybody else is stupid.

Starting point is 01:02:01 Right, it's a life changer. It reminds me of like the like some of the vegan community when they all of a sudden go from not eating vegetables, whatsoever, to going to vegan. And then all of a sudden they just feel amazing. You know, their body fat drops, their energy levels, their mental clarity. And then all of a sudden it becomes about veganism

Starting point is 01:02:21 more than it becomes. Well, maybe it's just because you needed some more of those greens in your life. I feel yoga is the same way. You somebody with chronic pain. That's not very flexible They start taking yoga and it's like oh my god yoga has changed my life It's well, no, maybe you needed some more flexibility drills or mobility work in your life to address some of these issues that we're causing chronic pain It's the same thing. Yeah, you know what's interesting too about yoga, is they have a spiritual component. So you take a class and it's like meditate and think

Starting point is 01:02:49 and intention and the intention of this class and then at the end of a class, I'll read a quote or something and you lay there and you think, and you know what, there's some real benefit to that. Of course. Of course. I have clients that, you know, we're going through very difficult times in their lives

Starting point is 01:03:02 and they're saying that yoga was such an integral part of them healing because they went to this quiet class, they didn't have their cell phones, they weren't working, and they were just quiet and had to be there with the thoughts while they're holding these structures and doing stuff. Honestly, they were onto something with that. I think that it's interesting that you don't see that

Starting point is 01:03:19 in a lot of church structures throughout, whatever denomination or whatever, like practice. I've always thought that, Justin. I'm like, why aren't you providing a physical component to this, to have a holistic understanding of, you know, your relation between you and God and what that all, you know, entails. It's just baffling to me.

Starting point is 01:03:41 Next question is from Alec Gladwell. What exactly is the difference between Maps Prime and Prime Pro? Yeah, we get this question all the time. Yeah, there's a nice transition from that last one. Yeah. So, well, it's pro. We. Let's move on. Maps Prime, easily, I could say pretty confidently, was the program that required the most, I guess, creativity, brain power between the three of us. When we went to write and create Maps Prime, our goal was to create a program where people could assess their own body and then based on that assessment, design what they do before their workouts to prime their body.

Starting point is 01:04:21 Now, before I get into that, why is that important? Well, priming your body actually will significantly impact how you feel during your exercises, the type of results you get from your workout, how quickly you can get into proper movement that the way you activate your muscles, it basically sets you up for a very effective workout for yourself. So how you prime is very important, but also priming is very individual. And this is why it was so difficult for us to write primes.

Starting point is 01:04:50 It's like, okay, I know how to assess an individual being a trainer for a long time, but gosh, that's so different from person to person. How the fuck are we gonna write this in a program? And then, how are we gonna tell people what to look for? Like I know all the different parts to look for when someone's doing an overhead squat assessment or whatever, or posture, how are we gonna teach people,

Starting point is 01:05:10 the average person to do that in a program? So it's a very difficult thing for us to create, but we came up with a way of doing that, which I think works really well. Probably one of the programs we're most proud of. Definitely, definitely. And you do three tests, and those three tests cover the general basic movements of the body, all of them. And based on those tests, whether you pass or fail and we teach you very explicitly

Starting point is 01:05:35 how to read them, then you pick what you do for your priming because what Adam may do to prime before his workouts, he'll be different than what I do to prime for my workout. It's the most distilled, comprehensive thought out to like assessment process we could have possibly put together. I mean, it was like, but simplified. That's what I mean. It was like the most simplified presentation for the consumer that you could go through Prime Pro, we're kind of taking that and we're diving deeper and we're going more comprehensive

Starting point is 01:06:09 or addressing more joints. So it's less broad strokes and it's more like, okay, well, my body really doesn't function the way it should hear my ankles and my toes aren't really like doing what I need them to do. And this is where we had, you know, Dr. Brink and his extensive practice come in and really like identify all the little minutia involved with, you know, all the different joints in the neck and everything else.

Starting point is 01:06:38 Well, we talked about this being one of the possible mistakes, and we're not even, for sure, it's a mistake, yeah, but we go back and forth on this of how we named it because of this exact reason, because it creates this kind of like confusion of like, well, if I have prime, why do I need prime pro? If I have prime pro, why do I need prime? And they are different. I think the idea that we had when we named the Prime Pro, Prime Pro was, I think we really thought it was going to be a more geared towards the professional. Somebody who is a trainer who's looking at a client

Starting point is 01:07:17 and their client goes, hey, I've got knee pain or oh, my back or my shoulder hurts or our idea was to go through the entire body and address all the major joints and then teach them how to do these mobility drills around them to help alleviate chronic pain which is extremely common with clients when I think about that's the most value you'll bring the average client. Right when I think about 80% of my clientele this this program probably applies to them. I think of prime, I think everybody should own prime.

Starting point is 01:07:48 Prime to me is everybody should own prime. I think it's necessary to go through an assessment like that to find out where most of your dysfunction lies, what types of priming movements you should do specifically for yourself before you go into lifts. And then I think of prime pro, and I'm like, anybody who has either, if you're listening and you battle any sort of chronic pain

Starting point is 01:08:09 or have battle chronic pain, it's for you. And most certainly, if you're a professional in the field, this is probably one of the most beneficial programs that you could have in your library is this Prime Pro because I know for sure, 80 plus percent of everybody I train I would have used this tool. Totally.

Starting point is 01:08:28 I mean, to put it simply, Maps Prime teaches you how to set up your priming sessions before your workouts and what you do at the end of your workouts just to amplify the effectiveness of your workout. Prime Pro is much more correctional and much more dare I say rehab based. So Prime Pro is much more specific. It's not teaching you necessarily what to do to prime your workouts. It's teaching you how to correct your individual dysfunction. So you're going to go in there and you're going to take some of the tests in Prime Pro and figure out why your hip bothers you or why your back bothers you. And then you're going to have a good, and then you'll be able to do exercises to alleviate that.

Starting point is 01:09:07 You could totally approach that program with a preventative mindset, too. It's not like after the fact, when you have to rehab or you have chronic pain all the time, it's just for two, for people that really want a deep understanding of their body and what, you know, how everything should effectively function, what your alignment should feel like. That's a program that, you know, if you really did the due diligence, you could learn so much about your body and then carry that forward, you know, forever for you. If you're a trainer, if you're a personal trainer, you wanna become a trainer and you wanna be successful in this market, hands down 100%, I can say this with full confidence,

Starting point is 01:09:54 learning how to correct people's muscle imbalances, alleviate pain and get people to move better is by far your biggest value, 100%. I've had people lose weight and build muscle and get strong and do all that stuff, but the value you provide someone, when you can get someone who's had back pain for five, 10 years, or shoulder pain,

Starting point is 01:10:12 or, oh, I've got this knee that always bothers me, no big deal. And then I fix it for them with correctional exercise. They're with me forever. It's tremendous amount of time. Not to mention one of the coolest things ever to, you know, wow, a client, the first time that you have met them, is to take them through something like this.

Starting point is 01:10:30 I mean, you have a client who's got knee or hip or something going on with them, and, you know, they haven't didn't do an injury or something. They just have chronic pain. And you assess it, you get to the bottom of it. You do a couple of these prime probe movements around that major joint. Become an instant wizard. Yeah, instantly they will feel a difference. This is not like one of those things like,

Starting point is 01:10:50 hey, you didn't take weeks or months. You don't need to train with me for the next six weeks to see fat loss or muscle gain. Or that's a, that's more challenging. So when it comes to you and says, I wanna lose a bunch of weight or gain a bunch of weight or build muscle, that can take a while and a lot of convincing that,

Starting point is 01:11:03 hey, I promise you, we're heading down the right track where someone comes in and they battle with this chronic pain and you show them some of these moves instantly. It'll alleviate some of them. I'm going to be honest, the two most lucrative markets you could ever pursue in our industry are alleviating pain and also the advanced age, you know, group. And so this fits great to address, like all those, you know, very specific issues. Oh, 100%. And look at your, look at the market right now.

Starting point is 01:11:36 What do people do all day long now? Yeah. They sit down. It's gonna be even more, yeah, in front of a computer. What do kids do all the time now? Yeah. They sit down in front of TV, your front of computer,

Starting point is 01:11:46 or on some kind of a device. If you're a trainer, learn correctional exercise, it will make you fucking valuable. Not only that, but somebody comes to you and wants to lose weight, which is the most common goal. You gotta have to correct the imbalances anyway.

Starting point is 01:12:00 That's where you gotta go. That's where you start. It doesn't even matter. That's where you start, regardless, but the value you'll provide your clients will go through the roof. This is how I would separate myself from other trainers. Is I would get good at this and believe me,

Starting point is 01:12:14 I got no shortage of clients because of the skill. So, I know there's other small markets in our field, like high level athletics and that kind of stuff. But the big market is this kind of stuff right here. This is the most the people that are gonna come higher you. This is where you're gonna provide the most- The longest clients you'll get. For sure.

Starting point is 01:12:32 Next question is from Madness Fit. In light of Lane Norton's recent post, shitting on a girl that went public about fragrances and candles affecting hormones. That sounded bad for a sudden. Right. You're like,alled right there. What is your take?

Starting point is 01:12:48 Should we be concerned about perfumes and other scented things? All right, so we gotta give the audience a little backstory. So we're gonna defend a cross-fitter here, yeah? Is that where she is? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not talking about cross-fitter.

Starting point is 01:13:01 She, so Lane does this thing where he'll take a post from someone and something that he really disagrees with. And many times, you know, the post is like promoting pseudo science and bullshit. And then he will... And this is to Lane will hear this because of course he'll listen at one point. Somebody will show this to him. So Lane, stop picking on people fucking smaller than you. That's not what I mean. This is something that I know that we, mine pump was known at the beginning to kind of do similar shit,

Starting point is 01:13:31 but that was when we fucking had no social power at that time. So we weren't afraid of picking. Well, he rips people and then they, he rips like small pages. This girl's only got 25,000 followers and you're pumping the shit out of her. And then his, and then his, but to his, you know, what he says, the reason why he says he does it

Starting point is 01:13:45 is because he says that stuff needs to be called out. He's educating at the same time. So I respect that. Yeah, but there's different ways to do it. Like you could, you know, post about that type of subject, which is what I used to do, which is what I still do. So if I see another page posting some bullshit, rather than calling the person out,

Starting point is 01:14:03 I'll just make a post about why people who say this thing is bullshit. We used to do this to Joe D for a while there. I was a good time. We used to do something very similar. Joe's for post. It's right. Joe D would put something out and then Sal would follow up, but he didn't tag him. He didn't call him out, but he would just, you know, refute the science intelligently

Starting point is 01:14:22 and educate the followers that were probably following both they but yeah So this post was talking about the the dangers of fragrance fragrances and how they can affect your hormones and of course Lane saying this is complete pseudoscience bullshit. I'm going to have to Disagree with that statement. It's not 100% pseudo-science bullshit. There are chemicals that are in the environment, many of them synthetic, that are known as Xenoestrogens. And I think Xenoestrogens, in fact, are all synthetic. There's other types of estrogens that can be found in nature. But Xenoestrogens are called Xenoestrogens because these are chemicals that seem to interact

Starting point is 01:15:08 with the estrogen receptors in the body. So they'll either have like a really weak affinity for the estrogen receptor or they'll somehow interact with it. And what happens is if I activate your estrogen receptors, then you're gonna have these estrogenic things start to happen in your body. Like if I activate all your estrogen receptors, I can either block them so that, let's say

Starting point is 01:15:35 something activating them is blocking them, so now your estrogen can't do what it's supposed to or it may exert estrogenic type properties and qualities. And this is not really pseudoscience. Look, there's plastics that have been banned that are Xenosestrogens, you know, BPA and PCBs, those are synthetic Xenosestrogens that affect the body. They've been now studied for a long time and scientists are now figuring out that

Starting point is 01:16:01 some of these things are endocrine disruptors. They tend to disrupt hormones or act on the body. Could these potentially contribute to cancers? Maybe. Let's say you already have a cancer that's estrogen sensitive. Let's say you have breast cancer. Many times what you'll do, what doctors will do if you have breast cancer or pre-cancer, is they'll give you something called Novodex, which is a selective estrogen receptor modulator.

Starting point is 01:16:31 It sits on the estrogen receptor and it blocks it. So essentially, it's like you don't have any estrogen in your body and this prevents the cancer from growing. So what if you are exposed to Xenestrogens that activate the estrogen receptor and you have this potential for this estrogen-sensitive cancer? Now, do we have- Could it make it worse? Do we have any idea the amount that it would take in order for this to affect, like

Starting point is 01:16:57 that, for example, like, you know, or to- I think she's talking about perfumes and stuff? Like how much of those xenoestrogens are you actually picking up when you spray the perfume on you or the air fresheners that are in your house? Like, how much of that is your body intaking and how much of that is potentially changing the chemistry in your body? See, this is the thing we ever measured that or do we, like, here's the thing. You know, they ever try to test that in like a rap by like injecting the rap with these perfumes. They do, they do, but here's the problem with that is that what they'll do is they'll identify, they'll, they'll test a chemical in isolation at a particular dose. And they'll say, okay, expose that the doses that you'll be exposed to, it's probably safe.

Starting point is 01:17:42 Again, remember, studies are short. Like, these aren't, they're not controlled, 10-year studies. That's too expensive and impossible. So they'll study it and they'll deduce and say, okay, it seems like it's safe at this, at this amount or whatever. But the problem is you're not exposed to one chemical in isolation. You're exposed to shit tons of chemicals. And so the problem becomes the cumulative effect of all of these things. So, okay, fine, you get some Xenos from your perfume

Starting point is 01:18:10 and you get some from your hairspray and you get some from your cosmetics and you get some from, you know, the plastic tupperware that you wore and your food up in. And then you get some from, you know, process. Air, air fresheners, process. Air fresheners, process foods, whatever.

Starting point is 01:18:22 So it's that cumulative effect that people You know say to watch out about now In defense of of Lane You know should the everyday person who probably eats terribly and doesn't exercise and doesn't get good sleep Right in the great about the free in the grand scheme of things right are you should you be worried about your air freshener perfume when you're Eating like shit. You're not exercising and you're making a bunch of other choices in your day Is that really making that big of a difference? Yeah, I mean attention the big rocks, right? Yeah But that being said are is there some potential validity to what she's saying? There is it's it's actually quite It's been studied

Starting point is 01:18:58 You know quite a bit and it's not it's not pseudo science Is it pseudo science to say that doing that's gonna give you cancer and do kinds of crazy things? You probably, I don't think there's any evidence to show that. She didn't say that though, did she? No, I mean, it's a little alarmist. She concluded that, yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:14 A little fear mongling a little bit. Yeah, it's a little bit alarming. Yeah, it's a little bit like that, but you know, it's funny, they do studies on wildlife on the stuff all the time, and I'm looking up one right now where they showed that discharge from human settlements, including runoff and water flowing out of wastewater,

Starting point is 01:19:29 treatment plants, releases all these Xenoestrogens into streams, and then they find like huge alterations in aquatic life, you know, from that. Now that's high exposure to things, but a lot of the science around Xenoestrogens is around the environment in wildlife, because of the science around Zenoestrogens is around the environment and wildlife because of the shit that we dump into, you know, streams and oceans and bury and that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:19:50 Yeah, how much of that shit do we already breathing and in taking anyways? Dude, I don't, I mean, here's the thing, like I'll give you, let's use another example, like antibiotics. You know, antibiotics for a long time, when we were kids, you went to the doctor and you had a sore throat,

Starting point is 01:20:02 they threw an antibiotic at it, no problem, no question, no questions asked. Now we're seeing that all this antibiotic use is contributing to these antibiotic-resistant bacteria that some scientists say potentially in 20 or 30 years could be- They'd kill us all. Yeah, it could be like the biggest, like one of the biggest problems that we encounter. But we just didn't see it at the time. we encounter, but we just didn't see it at the time. You know, exposure to all of these potential

Starting point is 01:20:27 and doctrine disruptors, incommunation, incumulation, you know, all over the place in the environment on us, could that have a cumulative effect? Probably, it probably does, we'll see what happens, you know. So I mean, I think saying that is okay. And limiting exposure, I mean, just,

Starting point is 01:20:43 it just sounds like that's something that you want to consider, but at the same time, yeah, to conclude that it's producing this, you know, that's, you can't really say that. Here's something interesting. Have you ever, sorry, I don't know. Have you ever seen this? Have you ever seen like a chart of like,

Starting point is 01:21:00 you know, order of operation on the things that are probably the most damaging, some of the microwaving plastic and then like, or drinking, you know, like, EMF and you can just add all these things. Like, what, and what, and what, like, where does perfume and fucking air fragrance fall in the order of?

Starting point is 01:21:14 That's a good question. I don't know. I know cosmetics is a big one because you're rubbing that on your skin and they're not regulated the same way as like food or whatever. So that's a big one and women wear makeup every single day. I know deodorants that have aluminum in them

Starting point is 01:21:29 that's been implicated in a few different things. And I think again, it's just you've been using them for a year. So it's not like you use them here in this chronic exposure. Yeah, for 15 years I've been putting makeup on my face and I've been using aluminum type deodorants. You know, back to the whole antibiotic resistant bacteria. Do you know that they are identifying a pharmaceutical drug that they think has a major impact on that? That has that is not an antibiotic. I forgot the chemical name of prozac, but the antidepressant,

Starting point is 01:22:01 the chemical name of the antidepressant that's in Prozac. Their finding is causing bacteria to mutate in a way that makes them resistant to antibiotics. When you take Prozac, at least 10% of it comes out in your waste. When you poop or pee or whatever, some of that's in there and then it gets in the sewer system and then it gets in the environment. Now they're finding that that's probably having an impact. So it's all this kind of stuff that we really don't know now. We just talk people from shitting.

Starting point is 01:22:30 Yeah, be careful who's poop you eat. Yeah, next up is Christian Rilo. What are your worst habits? Oh, nutrition, exercise, relationship, and professional. What you got here, let's get one for each one. Wow, wow. Can you give me one for each one? Well, everybody knows my cheese obsession,

Starting point is 01:22:46 but that's it. Well, you start off, Justin, then you got to use the cheese in later. Yeah, the cheese in later, I love things, and so that's where I get drawn into trouble, right, with pizza and like, that was just something, I always just, oh god, I love cheese on everything. And so I have to control myself with that.

Starting point is 01:23:07 But yeah, so exercise wise, let's see what my worst habits exercise was. I think it's just like, maybe just a consistency in terms of, you know, like sticking to a plan for a longer period of time versus like always changing it up. I just get bored and I get a little too creative sometimes. So for me, I tend to probably jump out of phases a bit early

Starting point is 01:23:34 and hop on to something else that interests me at the time. So. Yeah, I've worked out ADD. I do. I have worked out ADD. And I think it's just because I don't know. I might see something like a video that inspires me to go learn like a new skill or like do something else that's like different.

Starting point is 01:23:51 But yeah, I tend to jump around quite a bit. Which I don't necessarily think that's such a bad habit, you know, that there's some positive sides to that also, you know. What about relationship wise? Relationship wise. Well, my wife would probably say listening. What about relationship wise? Relationship wise? Well, my wife would probably say listening. But, I don't know what she says though. I don't know what she said.

Starting point is 01:24:12 She said something. I don't know. I wasn't really listening. I've worked on that quite a bit. So, I'm curious to see if she'd sort of retract that. Because I know ahead of time, like my focus can be elsewhere as she's talking or whoever's talking and you know if I'm thinking

Starting point is 01:24:34 in terms of business work, whatever it is. So I've tried to really address that problem of mine and be present more. And then also just being more considerate in terms of like, like her day and like what sort of things I could do to contribute more to alleviate some of the stress instead of just worrying about all my own stress and like bringing that in the mix. So yeah. And then what about professional? Worst habits professionally. I mean, you're not really professional, but if you've never been professional ever

Starting point is 01:25:08 Yeah, actually I used to be really professional and now I'm you know the opposite totally yeah, regressed It's all the butt taps you give Doug all the time. I think that's probably when you're like you want to acknowledge You know when somebody had a good game Little baby. Yeah, little baby. Yeah, little tap tap. It's a little low into the center though, do you know? Yeah, that's what, that's the wrong way to do it. Lingerie too.

Starting point is 01:25:33 Gooch tap. Professionally, I think, I used to be a lot more organized. I think I need to work on definitely getting that back. Because of our business, our business is so different than anything I've ever done before, to where there's just so many different legs, so many different moving parts, so many different cogs that I'm always trying to find my place in all of it and be focused in a direction. So I think that my weakness is not always knowing where that is and where I can most benefit the team or find my navigate my way through and be like, okay, I'm focused completely on

Starting point is 01:26:16 this and this is going to translate into dollars or this is going to contribute to the overall place that we need to be. So I think it's just for me in terms of defining what I can contribute in my role a little bit more specifically would help. You remember when you would interview people who would come work for you at the gym and then you would ask them questions like this and they'd give you some bullshit answer.

Starting point is 01:26:43 Like, you know, tell me what your weaknesses they'd be like, well, you know, my weakness, I worked too hard to get the role positives. Yeah, and I, you know, I tried to do a good job all the time and that's kind of, that's bullshit. That's a way to get this. Oh, my answer like that.

Starting point is 01:26:57 Yeah, I knew it. I knew it. I just knew it. It's just too perfect. I should go off every once in a while. I'm so happy. No, I mean, let's see here. Nutrition for me, God, what would be a bad?

Starting point is 01:27:09 I'm pretty good with nutrition, but one of my bad habits is I can get stuck in a cycle of eating the same thing. So like every morning, right now I'm into this, you know, six to eight egg yolks scrambled with, you know, ground, lamb, a ground beef cycle. So I literally have that every single day, every single morning. And so I have this tendency to do that where I like something.

Starting point is 01:27:34 And then I'll eat the fuck out of it until I develop. You're in simplicity in the way you dress too. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Justin. Yeah. No problem. I appreciate that. Was that a compliment?

Starting point is 01:27:42 Yeah. I don't know. We'll see in your defense. Also, I don't know, we'll see. In your defense also, I don't know how much of that's too negative either, because I think there's also some nice positives to consistently doing that, because then it gives somebody, it's hard to, if you're rotating your food, which I know we promote, and I think is ideal, food rotation is important. But there's also something to be said about doing something consistently for a while, so

Starting point is 01:28:04 you can really tease out how things are affecting like oh man Yeah, man when I'm eating those egg yolks every single morning It's definitely impacting my strength right gives you that ability to do Yeah, but you know, I guess the bad side of it is you can develop a food intolerance for me to do the same thing or because I like something And I can get away with eating it now. I think I can eat it all the time and get away with it So I think that's probably one of my worst habits. For exercise, that's an easy one for me. I'm extremely consistent. I almost never miss a workout, but I will definitely almost always veer towards heavy strength training. Like that's just my favorite thing to do. So I'll move away from that and then I'll notice some

Starting point is 01:28:44 benefits and then be like, I wonder how much I can lift now. And then I'll go back to, to have these strengths training. And so I get stuck in that, I can get stuck in that phase one type of training. And I know when I'm there, because I start to slowly lose mobility. Or get certain aches.

Starting point is 01:28:59 And I start to get like these aches and pains. Yeah, it's my joints, and it's like the insertions of muscles. So it's not like muscle-building soreness. It's like my SI joint or like where my bicep inserts at my forearm or something like that. I can tell my connective tissue starts to pay the price. And it's just because I love it. I love doing it. It's my favorite thing to do when I lift.

Starting point is 01:29:21 And so I can neglect other aspects of training in favor of doing that. It's probably the worst with lower body training. Part of it is because I like to deadlift in squat heavy and the other part of it is I hate. 15 reps of squats is cardio. It just ruins my day. Yeah, like after doing three sets of 12 reps in the squat, I'm pretty much toasted. That almost rather get on the stairmaster.

Starting point is 01:29:47 Totally. It's just a fucking retard. I can't stand it. Anyway, so there's that relationships. Well, you know, I had a lot of bad habits when I was married and I hope to I hope I learned from my divorce, but I would have to say with my current relationship, the bad habit I have is trying to, I have to be careful to not have Jessica pay the price for what may have happened in my previous

Starting point is 01:30:16 relationship. So I have such a low tolerance for certain things. I don't want to get any details because it's like, it would be too personal, but if there's something that happens, normal tolerance would be like, oh, that's okay. Let's talk about it. But because sometimes it gets slapped on to the end of, you know, my last 10 years of marriage. So it's just cumulative.

Starting point is 01:30:33 I have no tolerance for it now. You know what I'm saying? And that she can pay for that sometimes. And I'm trying to become more aware of that because she's not, you know, she wasn't my, yeah, that's very hurt. No, not fair at all. But I can identify.

Starting point is 01:30:45 I know how low my tolerance is for certain things and sometimes afterwards I'm like, I might overreact a little bit. Yeah, you're pretty aware of that. You can express that before. I'm aware of it after sometimes. Sometimes when you're in the middle of something, it's hard to be aware because you're in it,

Starting point is 01:31:01 especially when you get pushback. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're arguing with someone and they're just pushing back at you, then what you focus on is that. Versus something that's real effective that I found is, you know, if you're arguing with someone is to not react and allow them to recollect into themselves.

Starting point is 01:31:18 Like, oh, wait a minute, what am I doing? I'm type of deal. Professional, you know, this is something I'm really trying to work on and it's trying to write and create content on a schedule versus when I feel inspired to. That was a difficult one for me because, you know, I like to write content. I like to express myself a lot, but a lot of it comes from the impetus of, you know, like, I'm inspired. Yeah, what interests you? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:45 So like I read something that, oh my God, I want to tell you, and I write about it. Or I'm in the mood, you know, type of deal and I can just go off. And what was very hard for me in the past was, okay, Sal, we, you know, I need to create an article or a blog or a guide on this particular thing and feeling like I have to do it. All of a sudden, makes me not want to do it. And so what I've started to do now is I've started to schedule it and I sit down and whatever happens happens.

Starting point is 01:32:10 I know I'm supposed to sit here though, so I'm not gonna leave. And so far what's happened is I've done it. I've been able to do it, but it's a hard cycle to kind of break out of, but I'm starting to learn it. I mean, I did it yesterday, I sat down and we didn't come learn it. I mean, I did it yesterday. I sat down and, you know, we weren't, we didn't come into work and I said, well, I'm gonna write a big guide.

Starting point is 01:32:30 So I wrote a guide, a 3500 board guide, and I just sat there and made it happen. And that's opposite of how I used to do these things. Which is how we have a business. That's like, you got to do it that way. Extremely critical for us, and it's been huge for the evolution of that for you for us as a team because those that are listening maybe want to know why, why don't you just write what you want.

Starting point is 01:32:53 But you know, when we have a marketing team on the back end that has an editorial calendar and you know, they're having to, I mean, everything they're doing on their end takes, you know, weeks to build up and so they're relying on you to be able to deliver a specific topic so they can plan ahead of time. Plus, it just makes you more productive. I mean, when you, I've been doing a lot of studying authors lately in the process of writing, and that's what they say to do. They say, schedule it, sit down.

Starting point is 01:33:21 Sometimes you get out of sentence. Sometimes you get out, you know, a few pages, but you have to structure it that way because if you wait for the inspiration, then your productivity goes way down. So that was a tough, that's a tough one to tackle, but it's simple. It's not a complicated one. Like, I know what I need to do. I just got to sit down. This is the time I'm going to do this and then just sit there and make it happen. You know, and I would say for nutrition, for for sure my diet coax, I think that... You're still having those, huh? I'm off and on, but I'm more on than I am off.

Starting point is 01:33:54 I'm always aware of it. I'm always paying attention to how much I allow it into my diet. When I find myself allowing it more on than off I would consider that a bad habit right if it was if it was really sporadic that I that I had it here and there I don't think I would consider it a bad habit I think I would call that normal living and balance but because I more consistently have it than I don't I would consider that my worst habit so that's my worst habit. Other than that like you, I would consider that my worst habit. So that's my worst habit nutrition. Other than that, like you, Sal, I feel like I got a pretty good grasp of my nutrition.

Starting point is 01:34:31 I never allow myself to waver too far body fat percentage. I, even like right now, I've decreased my volume of training significantly. I'm not getting nowhere near the steps, but then I automatically adjust my food. I don't continue eating the same way I was eating three months ago when I'm training five, six, seven days a week and a lot more intense. So nutrition, I have pretty dialed aside from that. I would like to see less of the diet coke is probably in my nutrition. Exercise-wise, pretty fucking solid in this.

Starting point is 01:35:08 I have this ability to be able to weave in and out of modalities, to do like just in where I will all practice a skill and get into unconventional training for a while. I have the ability to discipline myself to follow a program for beginning to end. Obviously, I'm in a competed right. So the thing that I would probably knock myself on is I know right now I should address

Starting point is 01:35:35 more of our zone one in prime for me. So my upper cross syndrome, I know I should be doing some real tedious type movements that are boring and seem simplistic, but I think beneficial to my overall posture. And so even as good as I think I am at priming and doing mobility work, I could do more of it. So if I were to critique that or say a bad habit for me is not putting the due diligence in addressing these imbalances that I have on a more regular basis because if my goal is long-term health and overall good posture and eliminating chronic pain, I know that I should be doing more of that so I would say that would be my worst habit.

Starting point is 01:36:21 And then professionally, without a doubt, time management. I've never been good at time management. I live by the philosophy of who gives a fuck at what you're not good at, focus on what you're good at, and be great, which serves me most of the time. But I'm also always skipped over relationships, then. Yeah, you did. It's all right. I wasn't going to bring it back. See if I get skirted by that. Yeah, I'll do it. He's turning ghost. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:50 You're doing it. You're kind of a bitch. I'll finish the professional. So time management, I would say, for the professional, although I will say that it has significantly improved. Like Sal was kind of talking about the things that you've improved on professionally. I think I have to, I had an interview just recently

Starting point is 01:37:10 that was really good. I think I posted on my Instagram and I think actually the comment that I was talking about is in relation to this statement about time management and getting better at that and one of the things that forced me in that, I don't know if you guys even listened to that episode or not, but I talked about the struggle that I had when this business first started with the three of you all being fathers. And you know, you

Starting point is 01:37:35 guys were at a place in your life that as important as building this business was maintaining a good relationship with your children and your wives was far more important than the success or dollar amount that my pump produced and It really drove me crazy at the beginning and I had a I struggle with that But I have so much respect for you guys that it was an area that I had to really reflect on myself and saying like well You know why can't we figure this out between this nine to two range, the things that we need to get done together. And, you know, over the course of the last two years, I feel like we wouldn't say we mastered it yet, but I think we've gotten really good at it. I mean, I remember when we first started, I would come home really

Starting point is 01:38:20 frustrated and I would express to Katrina, I'm like, fuck, I just, I feel like we just do the bare minimum every day. We do what we just need to, you know, basically get done, which is the podcast stuff. And there's so much more work to be done. And, and, you know, I think that was a lot of myself projecting out what, how I felt when it really had nothing to do with you guys and being great fathers. It had to do with me and my time management and how could I get better at organizing our day. I think that we've arrived there and I've had a lot of growth in the time management and the appreciation of that decision that you guys made of listening.

Starting point is 01:38:57 I'm not going to waver on what's important to me and my kids and family. I respect that so much. It's forced me to elevate my game there. But I still have room to get better. I still think that when I see people like Doug and Katrina, who I think of like our integrators within the business, I think that they are extremely talented or disciplined in that department and I can get better. And it's something that I'm always trying to improve on. Relationship wise, my bad habits, that's easy for me. I don't tell Katrina, I love her enough.

Starting point is 01:39:31 I don't tell her that she's beautiful enough. I don't compliment how amazing she is and her strengths are. I do it way more on the show and she gives me shit all the time about that. Because I feel, I think in my head because I'm saying it, I know she listens to the show. Is it easier for you to say good things about her to other people than it has to say it to her? And I wouldn't say that it's hard for me to say those things to her.

Starting point is 01:39:56 I definitely naturally do that. Like anybody who's ever met me and heard me talk about Katrina knows that. I speak extremely highly of her and just love her so much and think she's just an amazing human being and partner. And I do express that a lot to others. And so because I think I am talking about it all the time, I think in my head, I just assume that she receives it all the time.

Starting point is 01:40:25 And I don't tell her to her face enough. So I think that's an area that I can always improve upon is, and I try and remember, I think I shared too on another interview, something I think this was a sex with Emily interview, something that I put into practice in the early years when we first started getting together as, I'd never say I love you. I mean, it should, it was over a year before'd never say I love you. I mean, it's shit. It was over a year before she even heard I love you out of my mouth.

Starting point is 01:40:48 And a lot of that is just because of my childhood bullshit. And I really value that word. I just don't throw it around to anybody. So if I say it, there's something that sparked it and I mean it. And so I've always challenged her to challenge me. If I say I love you, you know, because what I mean by that is I mean how many times have you caught yourself or you just it's part of the routine you hang up the phone with your girl. I love you. You know, I'll see you later. I love you because I love you.

Starting point is 01:41:13 And it's like what does it really mean to you when you when you say it like that? Or me if I say I love you, it's because I've had to take the time to express what just went through my head. She did something that made me feel that love, and I thought it, it's taken me a long time to practice verbalizing it, and now that I do a good job of that, and one of the things that I always tell her is that challenge me. I won't just say I love you, to say I love you,

Starting point is 01:41:43 because I'm walking out the door or because we hung up the phone or just because I need, I think I need to practice saying it more. If I say I love you, that means there was something that went through my head right then and there that made me think about you and want to express that. So in our relationship, if I say I love you,

Starting point is 01:41:59 she always follows that up for texting or for talking in person. What are you thinking about? And I can always give her something specific. I saw you do this or because you treat me this way or this reminds me of and therefore I love you and I was thinking about that. Was your family really expected,

Starting point is 01:42:20 were they expressive and touchy feeling when you were growing up? Did you get lots of hugs and kisses? Yeah, that's the crazy part, right? Is my mom is very touchy, feely, and lovey, expressive, expressive, and says, I love you to me a lot.

Starting point is 01:42:35 But see now, that's probably why, because my mom said all those things and made me feel loved from her. But I didn't, I thought we said of a lot of things in our household that our actions didn't reflect. And so I don't, I didn't value it the same way. I mean, in the same day or week, my mom could say, I love you and your kids mean the world to me, and then her and my stepfather could be throwing fucking pots and pans at each other and cops are in the house

Starting point is 01:43:08 and then the kids and I are crying and saying, leave him, leave him, let's get out of here and my mom not willing to do that. And so to me, it's like, well, if you really love us and you care about who we are and care about us, it's like you say you do, then you wouldn't make us go through all of this. So I think that, even though my mother has always been really good about showing her love

Starting point is 01:43:31 and I think she's expressed that really well and she's always been someone who touches me and makes me feel loved, I think that I had a conflicting understanding of what love meant or what it means to. Isn't that interesting how much of that is formed from childhood? Like how much of that is, you know, like the way you express yourself, you see this a lot with, especially with men, fathers, when they become dads, they have a tough time showing affection to their sons, especially, you see that a lot of time.

Starting point is 01:44:03 And then when you talk to them, it's because either they didn't have a father or their fathers didn't show them affection. So to them, it's like, feels weird. It feels awkward to show my son, you know, that I'm gonna love him or whatever. And it's a very interesting, it doesn't mean they don't love him necessarily. I know a lot of friends who are fathers

Starting point is 01:44:22 who have loved their kids more than anything and great fathers otherwise But then we sit down and talk about and usually the reason why it comes up is we'll be hanging out and You know sometimes people will comment on how I am with my kids and I'm just overboard. I'm very Touchy-feely and expressive and well, I mean my son's 13 I'll still you know still pick them up and kiss them and whatever and so people will will usually comment, and it's usually the moms, and then the dads will be like, oh, they'll roll their eyes, and then we'll have this conversation. And they'll tell me, they just feel awkward doing it

Starting point is 01:44:52 because when they grew up, they didn't have that. So it's very interesting how much of that shapes. Oh, yeah. Who you are. I don't remember how old I was when I really started to put all of that together. And so now I have this ability anytime that, if Katrina and I are getting into it about something and we're having this disagreement, no matter what, I disagree with her about automatically,

Starting point is 01:45:15 I start to unpack and go backwards. Why do I feel so strongly about this? Why do I disagree with her? What part of this do I own? How much of this was forged in my head as a child? I mean, they said it was five to seven of the most formidable years of our Our little our little brain as we're as we're starting to find it's all about that It's about that that that practice and repetition of those things, you know

Starting point is 01:45:37 I see her family and I see the way they all interact with each other and it's just it's so natural As soon as you walk in like your family seller but he hugs and kisses each other and it's just everybody kind of helps each other. And it's just, it's so natural as soon as you walk in, like your family's cell or buddy hugs and kisses each other. And it's just, everybody kind of helps each other out in the kitchen. There's this cohesiveness, you know, and it feels like I'm playing a game I've never played before. Like I feel lost, you know, it's like,

Starting point is 01:45:58 and I have to be like actively like paying attention to that, like, oh Adam, don't I come natural? It doesn't come natural, you know. And the thing that I think has been the hardest for me is to communicate that to other people that, this is not a lack of love. This is not a lack of like, I don't wanna be here. It's not a lack of any of that stuff.

Starting point is 01:46:12 It's that I don't know how to play. I've never, I've never, I've never been shown this as an example. I've never been with a family of 30 people in the house and, you know, making the effort to do that with all of them. Like, so it's something as an adult that I've had to. And I can see we're in the past that has caused major division between me and a partner is because then they're like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 01:46:36 You don't like coming over? Because to them, to them, you doing that or not doing that means, you don't like us or you're not happy or you're not loving. Right. Because they're judging it in that way and not realizing that it just feels weird. Yeah. Not sure how to, you know, how to operate in that situation. And they don't realize that that that may not be that normal for everybody and that they

Starting point is 01:46:59 were raised a certain way that that is so normal that it's like, you know, this is why they say it's so important. Like one of the biggest, most important things that a father does is rough house with their kids. And I remember Dr. Mark. Yeah, he said that and I've done more reading on it since then. And rough housing with your kids,

Starting point is 01:47:20 you think it's just funny games, but they learn how to be physical, how to be empathetic so they're not pushing too hard, not hurting each other, hurting you. And then if you have a girl, if you rough house with your daughter, she can feel comfortable being physical with another man and not being sexual,

Starting point is 01:47:37 which is a very important thing to understand, you know? It's all those boundaries. I thought that was such golden advice. You know, I was already sort of doing that with my kids to begin with, but it really emphasized the importance of it in what I was actually doing by, you know, setting aside time to have that kind of quality time with my kids and like provide the type of feedback for them. Because it is, it's an impression multi-time too and like my youngest is five and he's still trying to figure out like how rough is too rough you know like he punched me in the face a couple of times

Starting point is 01:48:13 and I'm like so listen like you can't punch in the face of the balls like this is not gonna fly oh he's trying to hit you in the nuts yeah like it's like you know and these are like important things to carry on going into school. I don't want him doing this to other kids. And also too, it's an outlet, right? So like, for me, specifically, you know, I needed, I needed physicality. I needed that.

Starting point is 01:48:39 I needed to express myself and get it out. And, you know, for me, like, my dad me, my dad helped me with this too, but who else is he gonna punch? How would I rather him punch me? I try to explain this to my wife, because she's always like, nobody ever punches him, ever? You know?

Starting point is 01:49:00 No, there's times you punch. It might come up, so I would rather him punch me and get it out. And like we work our way through this and like we can be constructive about it and be controlled and understand, you know, socially, like how this all works. And he learns how to be physical and not cross the line. Yes, beyond that, which right. A lot of that's what kids learn from that kind of stuff. You can't just say, no, don't do this. You know, like that doesn't, doesn't have any sort of like constructive way of dealing

Starting point is 01:49:29 with it. You know, it was a big one for me was something that my mom did, which I never realized was so powerful was if my mom made a mistake, or if she lost her temper in a way that was inappropriate towards us, she would come up to my room, sit down next to me, and she'd apologize. And I never realized that that was that big of a deal until I had my own kids, and the power of doing that, like, because you're not perfect as a parent,

Starting point is 01:49:58 you're just human, like anybody else. You're gonna lose your temper, you're gonna do shit that's not great. And I think a lot of parents are afraid, like they don't know, no, I'm the dad, I'm not gonna apologize for yelling or I'm not gonna apologize for whatever. No, no, no, if you were, if you went too far, sit down with your kid and I did this with my son and my daughter. I remember what happened, but they were doing something, I got really pissed. And I said some things that I shouldn't have said. Some pretty mean things that came out of my mouth

Starting point is 01:50:26 and it really hurt their feelings and I could tell. And at the time I was like, whatever and then they did what they were supposed to and then they went up to the room. And then I thought about it. I'm like, you know, I shouldn't have said that what I said to them. I should have told them that their actions were wrong.

Starting point is 01:50:40 I shouldn't have whatever. So I went upstairs, I brought them in a room, I sat them down and I said, okay, so here's why I got upset with you. Do you guys know why I got upset? First I wanted to clarify, I wanted them to see if they knew. And they said, well you got mad because they sat in the other, and so they were on point and I said, okay, now I want to apologize to you guys because I said this, and that's not true. You're not these things. I said, I was mad at this, but this I shouldn't have said that. It's absolutely not true. And the power that

Starting point is 01:51:05 yeah, that you have when you do that because your kid can see that you're not you're human, but you're also strong enough to admit when you did something wrong. Yeah, that's so important. That's a lesson that they need to learn and be able to carry forward too, because they're going to make mistakes. And then how do they deal with that? You know, and I had that same moment the other day too with Courtney and like, think, God, see, this is another thing. Like, I'm glad there's somebody else there

Starting point is 01:51:31 to kind of check me on my parenting and it's important. But like, my son comes up and he's like, I know like he wants the weasel to stay up late. You know, and this is just like a game they play like to come up and like, oh, I don't feel good. And so I just, I've somewhere along the lines, I just lost all empathy. I have nothing. I'm like, no.

Starting point is 01:51:56 Stop faking it. Just take, get some thumbs or it'll settle down. You just need to lay down, quiet know, get some thumbs or, you know, like, it'll settle down. Like, you just need to, like, lay down quiet down, like, whatever. I'm just telling them, just harping on them about all this stuff, like, he needs to do, and just go down and, like, how bad it's going to be tomorrow, because he's going to be so tired and all this and then she's like, I mean, like, like, like, with the eyes. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, no, like, I've just been hammering him. And he actually did feel bad. And so like, and so like, he's talking to him

Starting point is 01:52:26 and I come back out of the room and I'm like, oh man, I was just like way too harsh on him. I had to apologize. And then I took him down like, you know, and tried to like calm him down and went down there with him, but it was just like, you just check yourself in the moment, you're like, wow, like I just don't, see what I'm doing.

Starting point is 01:52:44 I've got a moment like that that will always live in my mind and it's fucking terrible. I feel so bad about it. And I'm sure it's not that big of a deal to my kid, but to me it is, my son, he wanted me to make him scrambled eggs. He was, he was a lot younger, he's probably, I don't know, 11.

Starting point is 01:52:59 Oh no, maybe, maybe nine or 10. And I said, listen, if I make these four, you better eat them because we had gone through this process of like me making them food and him leaving it. I said, if I make these four, you better eat them because we had gone through this process of like me making them food and then leaving it. I said, if I make these, you're gonna eat it. He's like, okay, well, I'll eat them. So we made the eggs and no, so later on that morning,

Starting point is 01:53:13 I made the eggs, I bring him to him and he's like, I'm not feeling that good. I'm like, oh hell no, you're gonna finish these eggs, yeah, right? You're gonna finish these eggs. He immediately think they're weasel. Yeah, and he's like, no, no, my stomach kinda hurts. I'm like, no, you're gonna eat these.

Starting point is 01:53:24 And so I made him, I sat there. Oh God, then he throws up. He throws up. Oh no. And he had a fever. Oh no. And I felt fucking terrible about him too. Until this day, by the way, he won't eat eggs now.

Starting point is 01:53:36 I traumatized him like eggs make him want to throw up to this day. So I feel so bad, you know. That's the shit that happens. That's happens, man. Yeah, totally. Parenting is just a sequence, that's the shit that happens man. Yeah, parenting is just a sequence of feeling guilty for shit that you fucked up on. That's it. Hey, speaking of mistakes, don't make this mistake and miss our 50% off maps anywhere.

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