Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 918: How to Eat to Gain Muscle NOT Fat, Body Types & Their Affect on Diet, Training & Gains, the Best Body Fat Range to Start a Contest Prep & MORE

Episode Date: December 7, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the most important boxes to check in the gaining phase, a good body fat range to start a show prep, the significance of the “3 body types,” endomorph, ectomorph and mesomorph and the lowest point in their fitness journey. Sal is OFF caffeine! Will the enema be next?? (5:25) Adam’s weird cannabis free dream, plus the guys talk association with certain things. (9:20) Nothing will wake you up faster than a spider in the shower! (17:14) Mind Pump Weekend Update: Back From Vacation. (22:19) How This 7-Year-Old Made $22 Million Playing With Toys, Justin’s Texting Hack + Will Our Kids Monitor Us? (31:12) Will the Future of War be a Video Game? Microsoft wins $480M military contract to outfit soldiers with HoloLens AR tech. (35:20) The Next Big Legalization of Drugs. Psychoactive Mushrooms May Get a Legalization Vote in Oregon in 2020. (38:55) Will Fitness be Disrupted by Technology? (40:01) The Huge Response from the Mind Pump Black Friday Deals + Sponsorship Updates. (54:15) #Quah question #1 – What are some of the most important boxes to check in the gaining phase? (55:55) #Quah question #2 – What’s a good body fat range to start a show prep? (1:11:32) #Quah question #3 – Can you talk about the belief of the “3 body types,” endomorph, ectomorph, and mesomorph? (1:22:51) #Quah question #4 – What has been the lowest point in your fitness journey? (1:31:08) People Mentioned: Craig Capurso (@craigcapurso)  Instagram Ben Pakulski ® | Official (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Mat Best (@mat_best_official)  Instagram Products Mentioned: December Promotion: Enroll in Any MAPS Program – 1 Year of Forum Access for FREE! Thrive Market   **Free 1 month membership, 25% off first order, Plus free shipping on orders of $49 or more** Butcher Box **FREE Bacon, 2 Ribeye’s, $10 off + Free Shipping on Your First Order!** Drinkin' Bros Podcast - YouTube Myth or Fact: Coconut oil is an effective sunscreen How This 7-Year-Old Made $22 Million Playing With Toys Microsoft wins $480M military contract to outfit soldiers with HoloLens AR tech Psychoactive Mushrooms May Get a Legalization Vote in Oregon in 2020 Freeletics raises $45M for its AI-powered mobile fitness coach LeBron James, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lindsey Vonn, and More Launch Health and Wellness Company Metron - Virtual Trainer The Complete Contest Prep Guide | Biolayne Somatotype and constitutional psychology Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this extended episode? Ooh, of MINE. So the first 50 minutes we do our introductory conversation, we start off by talking about me getting off caffeine. I'm trying to.

Oh yeah, that's too long. Yeah, there's too much of a pause right there dude. Yeah. We talked about me getting off. Getting off. Caffeine. Then we talk about Adam's weird dreams. I try to analyze it and break it down for him.

I think I was wrong though. I think what you said afterwards was the right analyzation. We talk about spiders in the shower. I don't need caffeine this morning. Shit. That scared the crap out of me. Justin talks about his tree house

that apparently when the kids move out is going to be turned into his sex play house. We added two words to library today too, also. Did we do that? We'll be sure to do that. There's a thermogenetics. Thermogenetics. It's a thing now.

And then what did you say? And then no strategic. Yesogenetics. It's a thing now. And then what did you say? And then no strategic. Strategicly. That is a word. Strategicly is a word. No, it was strategically. It was strategically a strategic cool.

Yeah, strategically. You had a cool to everything. I love it. Then we talk about Thrive Market giving to the fire victims of California Thrive Market is the largest online retailer of non-GMO and organic products, including cleaning products, skin care products, and pet food products, and of course the obvious food products for you and your family. We are sponsored by Thrive Market. If you

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who made $22 million on YouTube and why we'll be hiring him as our new CEO of MindPom. Tell us all of your ways. Young one. We talked about how Microsoft's AR is being used now in the military. I think they spent almost half a billion dollars on these simulated fight apps and stuff.

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what are some of the most important things to do when you're trying to gain weight and gain size? What are the most important things you should focus on? The next question was, we talk all the time about getting calories high before starting competition prep. This is, of course, for people who like to cut down to super, super lean body fat percentages and get on stage and we always tell them to work their calories to a point where they get real high beforehand so they have room to go down. What's a good body fat range to start a prep?

Like when do you know you're at the right body fat percentage before you start your competition prep? The next question, what are our beliefs regarding the three body types or somatotypes? Endomorph, ectomorph, and mesomorph. What are our beliefs around that? Is that outdated information? And then Justin drops some nugget bombs on the origin of that.

Yeah, the nugget bomb. And the final question, what was the lowest points in our fitness journeys? We've all been working out for a long time, and we all have some pretty dark times during that period of that long time that we've been working out. So we kind of go into depth with that. A nice touching part of this mind pump. It got sentimental at the end there. Episode.

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We started the off time. What was the day? What was that last? What was Friday? Thursday? Oh, it's Thursday. Okay. So one, two, three, four, five.

Today is day six of zero caffeine. Whoa. For me. Oh, you've been off caffeine? Zero. Oh, no way. Six days now, which is the longest I've been off caffeine. No wonder you're all like, hey guys.

Hey, what's up? I'm so chill. What's happening? No, it's the longest I've been without caffeine in a long time. And I worked out this morning, without any caffeine, early, 6 a.m. And I did okay.

You know what I find? If I, when my body starts to get used to not having caffeine, I feel like I have more stamina. Yeah. Do you ever notice that? Yeah, I've experienced that. Like you have, like, you get out of breath if you have too much caffeine or you're pushing it,

then you work out and you do high rep squats and you start to get, is that happening too? Yeah, that has. I'm actually going through that process right now where I'm like evaluating the amount that I mean I'm I'm probably ramped up to to three nitro level a day. Wow. Yeah. That's a lot, dude. It's very high Do you do it? And a must-dial or do you drink it? I mean I haven't I haven't gotten a greenfield with it yet, but Yeah, I'm pretty high right now. That was on my Q&A people are asking when is South gonna do the coffee?

And I'm like people were waiting for that. We want this to happen. I want both you guys in the same room. You and it live. Both of us in the same room? Yes. That's why I had to get apart. That's like my dream.

It just got lumped in there. Yeah, I don't know why I got up. I'm not saying you, I'm saying Ben Greenfield. Oh. Oh, Greenfield and Sal. Oh. Together. That's the only way I do it is I've been administered it

because I don't know if I'll do it right. Yeah, he's actually. I'm afraid, because I'm sensitive to caffeine, I'm afraid if I do that, it's gonna be like, too much, you know what I mean? I'm gonna make a great video. Oh man. Oh, die.

Yeah, caffeine can be poisonous. You're gonna die. No, but, well you, but six days without it, we'll use a light roast. You might like it a lot. Light is stronger than it.

Yeah, yeah. But it might be your thing. I don't like feeling like I have to take something, but I'll be a light roast. You might like it a lot. Light is stronger than it. Yeah. But it might be your thing. I don't like feeling like I have to take something. And I'll be honest with you, caffeine is the hardest thing I've ever had to stop using. Harder than anything else. Yeah. Oh really?

Dude, try it. No it is. I'd always come right back to it. Yeah, you're off cannabis right now, right? Yeah, I'm on for a while. Yeah, two weeks now. Try two weeks, no caffeine. Wait, it's so hard. Oh, you know what, I mean on for a while. Yeah, two weeks now. Try two weeks, no caffeine. Wait, it's so hard.

Oh, I, you know what, I mean, I don't know none of activity wise. It sucks. I actually, I, I take more breaks off of caffeine than I take off of cannabis. How long do you take a break for? Typically a few days, but it's, it's not enough to make me feel like, you know, headaches. That's not bad. A few days is pretty good. Yeah, I don't allow myself to get that crazy. Like, I'm not like Justin. Justin, you can see scale it.

Before you start seeing the jugs of coffee, he's drinking and so that I always know. And it's like, you guys always be watching. Yeah, where I go, I want to cup a coffee. And like, I saw Justin just finish this. He's like, okay. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no worries down.

I'm in. So I don't, I don't, I typically have a single cup of coffee in the morning When I when I'm getting ready and that's not even every day sometimes I don't have it or I don't get around to it this morning I actually skipped it, but then I had a breakfast so I typically have a cup of coffee to start my day I drink it on the drive over to here shit We haven't had the cold brew in here for a little while so I would normally follow that up with another one of those here, but I haven't even had that. Occasionally, I'll have one with just so.

I'm really not a crazy... When's the last time you had a few days off? Probably just like a week or two, guys. Really? Yeah, yeah, no, I have a... So you just none at all, you have none. Yeah, in fact, over shit, when Katrina and I were just out at the beach. I didn't drink any coffee.

Mm, okay. Yeah, I didn't have the beach. I didn't drink any coffee. Yeah, I didn't have coffee there. I didn't have any soda that would drink some would drink a lot of wine and champagne though. Oh boy. Yeah, a lot of wine, a lot of champagne while we were out there. But yeah, no, the cannabis was,

I haven't taken this long of a break on cannabis in a long time. I haven't taken more than a week in a very long, very, very long time. Are you over the weird dreams? You know what? Did you ever get the vivid dreams? I really didn't, I was expecting that. I have this weird dream.

I woke up again last night and it makes me sad to even share it. But I'm gonna share it because it's weird. Is this the one where you're skydiving naked and then you fall into a field of flowers? No, no. You come versus. No. That's not a sad dream. That is only you that has that dream.

I don't use dreams. You're the only one with cucumbers. Did you come from your dream? Ah! No, I've had this weird dream of being out somewhere. I think I'm in a forest or something, and there's a bear that's chasing me and Mazzie always comes to my rescue and distracts the bear and it's a really sad dream because he always gets her almost damn near to death like he He comes in to distract the bear from the bear chasing me and then the bear starts attacking him

And then I'm like I freak out because I know he can't take a bear on. I already analyzed a dream. Yeah. Okay, Katrina. I just broke it. Did she do that for you? Oh my God. So I want, so the dog, we have a dream book.

I said, maybe, maybe you have this interfere that your demons are gonna hurt the people closest to you. Maybe. Or that I almost lost Mazi this year and he almost died and I was not ready for him to go this early on. Oh, that could be that. And so that's been weighing on me for a while. Like, you know, every time I look at him nowadays, I'm just like, man, did I almost lost this

guy? You know, like, that's crazy. I was not. What a sad thing that dogs don't live as long as humans, you know what I mean? It's so tough. Yeah. And I have it. These are my first ones that are like I had dogs going up as a kid but it's definitely different than going out buying one, raising one and like you love those dogs man. Yeah, they're like my kid. They definitely are like my kids and I don't even like to think about

the idea of losing I watched my watched my best friend had a puck that he had for almost 13 years. He just lost him this last year. And I watched what he went through. And he had that, I remember when he first bought that, that was like his first rule. He had a dog before I did like that. And it was, he took him everywhere he went

on the same way with these guys. And man, I just, and not only that, but I'm, I know that the other one is gonna be just so sad that that's gonna make me more sad, right? It's gonna be bad enough losing one of them. But there's so much, they're so inseparable, the two of them, that it's gonna be like, oh man,

and it's like looking out the window, and they have this love-hate relationship that I know that when one of them's gone though, they're gonna miss the fuck out of you. They're so guilty. Yeah, and then the times you were doing. I think so, do you think that's gonna happen? I really do. So yeah, I're gonna miss the fuck out of you. They're gonna deal to you. Yeah, and then the times you were doing that. Yeah, I think so. Do you think that's gonna happen?

I really do. So yeah, I don't know where that dream comes from. But you know, the whole theory around breaking down dreams is that you have these feelings, these pent up feelings and emotions. And then when you go to sleep, your brain tries to make... Canalize it, for it. It just tries to make sense of those emotions and so it displays them with images and dreams.

So like you're feeling, let's say you're feeling very vulnerable. Like you start a new job and you feel like you're not good enough and you feel like, oh gosh, everyone's gonna find out. Right, then you have that naked dream. You have that naked dream. Then you have a dream that you're naked at school or something like that, because it's the same feeling. You know what, one, I've always wondered,

I had this one dream, I was recurring dream quite a bit, but I was at the end of a dock. So the end of a dock, like over the ocean, and I remember I was talking with somebody and then I would get a gust of wind would pick up and like blow me off the end of this dock, and then there was it like this air that was coming up from the ocean

and it suspended me and so I was like floating and like free and like flying almost but like always like it was so weird. That's a dope dream. It was cool. I was like, whoa, like something like held me up. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's probably what that means. It's probably me holding you up. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's probably me. It's probably me. It's probably the shaper breeze. It's your brain interpreting all the gas you get from the

cheese. Right. Yeah. It's like you fill the gas and it's propelling you to success. Yeah. That's what I think. You left cheese just and you'll be able to blast yourself off and float like a superhero. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, thank you guys. I've been always wondering. So you didn't get a lot of the vivid dreaming then, huh? No, I had that happen in my mind. I expected that actually.

I'm actually, it's really kind of weird that I have. And I haven't even felt like I've had that many dreams. I thought they were just gonna cook. Cause that's normally what happens if I have a day or two off, I feel that way. But I actually, I dealt with headaches the first day, first and second day actually. I dealt with some headaches. And I don't know if that was more of the coming off the weed

or one of the reasons why I like to smoke cannabis and I typically smoke it at nighttime, or almost always smoke it at nighttime. Is it helps settle my mind down and it kind of gets me out of my own head and Last night I had one of these cases where I got a headache But it was because I couldn't sleep all night and I do this to myself when I'm thinking numbers I got all this shit that I got going on right now and I'm finances, and we're coming to the year end, and I just, once it starts going, I can't stop it. So all night long, I think to like two, 30 in the morning was the last time I looked at the clock,

and I got to bed like at 9.30. My brain was like racing, and that, just that overload of thinking, so deep in thought, ends up giving me headaches. So I don't know if the headaches that I got the two days after coming off the cannabis were more related to my body feeling that withdrawals. Like a physiological response versus just that you're just giving yourself a headache

because you're stressing yourself. Right, right. So I'm not sure. But what I did notice that it was, you know, this is what I love about cannabis. It's not for me at least. It's not hard for me to not do it. The hardest thing I've found, you know, I mean, of course, right after,

I think I started it on going into the weekend, football Sunday right now, that's like, especially on a rainy day, I love to have a cup of coffee, smoke a joint, watch some football. It's like one of my favorite things to do. If we go on a trip, Katrina and I just went to over to one of our favorite places, the sanctuary up in Carmel. I love to smoke and be out at the beach and be relaxed out there. And then I went

snowboarding on Monday, another place that I absolutely loved. So the hardest thing for me is the association that I have, you know, you talk about the popcorn and the movie thing. There's certain things that I really enjoy. Cannabis partnered paired with and I happen to run those all back this last week, but no, no withdrawals. Like I didn't feel like my body needs it or I wanted that bad. It was in my opinion, it's harder to get off caffeine and it is to get off.

Oh, I would. And I would and I would It wasn't hard at all. In my opinion, it's harder to get off caffeine than it is to get off. Oh, I would get off. And I would bet money that that's true, because I know people who smoke lots of weed and then just stopped. And I know lots of people who have coffee every day. And if you even bring up, hey, can you think you could stop?

No. No, I think the rituals are more solidified in terms of the first thing in the morning. It literally makes or breaks my day. I've attached it so hard to that. Like that's not a good idea as to completely depend on some substance to get you moving and operating and thinking and being a part of the world.

But I'll get caught up in that and then have to like, you know, check myself, okay. You know, I don't necessarily need this. Well, I did have something this morning that did wake me up like coffee. This was after my workout. My workout was kind of slow because again, I didn't have the caffeine and but it was okay, I did okay.

I go and get in the shower and I turn the water on and wait for it to heat up or whatever, I step inside and right in the fucking corner of the shower dude spider this big Right in the shower you ever get scared you ever see a spider that big next to you that early in the morning I told you it fucking I was I went from sleepy to did you fall or like Oh my god no Jessica heard me though. She's like what what something oh shit god damn god damn I like, you should. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I was shaving, I was doing my thing, I was like shaving my chest and all that and didn't put tune two together that when my hair clumps up, it could look like a spider.

Right? So I'm shaving all this stuff and I looked down and it's this huge black clump of hair that had formed and it was moving, the water moved it across. It looked like it moved. I freaked out. I was like, ah! It threw my arms up and then my feet, they didn't have that pad that you can get grip with.

So my feet just came right out from under me and I landed on my side, on the handle. And so it bruised the shit out of my ribs. I'm laying there naked. My in-lock, my mother-in-law runs in like oh man you okay I'm okay but crossing my legs you know I'll be alright I'm fine but inside I was I'm not gonna be okay I think I broke something oh shit yeah I was terrible what's the name of that guy you you sent over a video of him doing a a like kind of like a

What do you call those like a spoof? Video of him playing the guitar in the in the workout video or what do I that drinking? He's oh yeah, he's one of the drinking bros pro. Yes, I started following him after you sent that over Yeah, he did a hilarious video on killing spiders and being like this tough. I've been watching his oh yeah He's got some funny shit. He's funny, it's fog, bro. Yeah, he's good.

They're good. The Drinking Bros podcast, pretty good. No, man, there's little videos that they do on there. I mean, I must have went on like an hour. Oh, I went like an hour going through like all of his Instagram. And I looked them up like maybe his name's Mike. Is that something?

Yeah, you sent them over. And I remember you found them like two years ago and I saw their stuff and I liked what they're doing but I didn't really pay attention. I hadn't been following any of them. Yeah. And you sent that over so I jumped on his page and I started following him now because man he's got some hilarious content. I loved content.

Yeah, that heavy, he came up with like this heavy metal song about like racking your weights and all that and I was like yes It was great like you know had a decent you know actual tune to it No, we got to get connected with those guys. I feel like there there are people I think we've tried haven't we wait We have tried I think two years ago. We should yeah, maybe we should make a push. Yeah, we had we had it a long time I mean, it's it's tough to probably do a podcast with six guys. I know on it Yeah, cuz they have three right? Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, that's a it in a long time. I mean, it's tough to probably do a podcast with six guys. I know. On it. Yeah, because they have three, right?

Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, that's a little overcast. So that's a good time, man. Yeah, it's fun for us, but as an energy, as a listener, I remember the first time I listened to a Joe Roganette. Everyone, Joe Rogan used to do those fight analysis. He still does those. Does he still have companions?

Yeah, I hate those. Really? Those are some of the high, some of those are the highest downloaded episodes. Yeah, I don those. Really? Those are some of the high ones though. Some of those are the highest downloaded episodes. Yeah, I don't like them. Yeah, it's hard to tell, you know, who Joe's voice is, but unless you really know who the other people are, like, and you know their voices, it just seems chaotic. Well, yeah, initially in the beginning too,

like, they would talk over each other the whole time. That's what sucks, I think. I think it got better like as they've done more of them, but yeah, they used to just talk over each other and it just was chaotic as fuck. That's something that I know that we've improved on and for as long as we've been doing this because that was a feedback that I remember

getting all the time from people is, it's hard not to, you got three people having a conversation in real life. We are all having a normal conversation. You wouldn't give the other person a pause. You just talk over them. It's just how you would convert. Especially drinking.

Yeah, especially with buddies. It's just like normal to do that. But as you don't really think about the listener on the other side who's trying to pick up and pick up on everything that you're talking about that how annoying that is to hear people. I know in my family, you just yell louder. Yeah.

Whoever's a louder person is the one that's getting more. That's how you so accurate though. I don't know, like my best friend growing up, like, you know, his family's Italian. And I would always, it threw me off the first time I was at their house because like I stayed over and everything and they would just like, in the morning, ah, where's this?

And wow, you gotta get up and go. Everybody's like yelling, but everybody's cool, but they're yelling everything. All the information is delivered at a really high decimal. It is. It's a Mediterranean thing, I think. For a lot of hands flying.

What are you doing over the weekend, Justin? I saw you finished your... Yeah, literally just poured myself into that project and the kids, it's done. I'm adding, of course, there's additions to that. In the future, as far as the zip lines, the accessories, the rope ladders, all these types of things that are gonna hang off of it and be attached to it.

But yeah, I was stoked, man. It was sort of zandemy. I really enjoyed it. I was out there, my kids, of course, I only have their attention span for like 10, 15 minutes at a time, and then they're like, ah, they'd go run off and do something else or play with something, but then they'll come back and check out the progress.

And the funny part is, it's like, they feel, even though they've only like, they might like hold a board for me or like saw one thing. They help. They're like, we did, like they would like brag about it. So like everybody how much they did on the tree house. Oh my God, you totally, yeah, you helped me for some time. It's like when your mom lets you stir the cookie, you know a little bit.

I hate, look, I made cookies. Look what we did. You know, like, kind of me, but yeah. I'm glad you're there, but. So you don't have a lot, how do they get up to it then, if it's not, is there already a ladder set up to it? Yes, so there's steps. So it's not, if you go up, it's like on a hill.

So in between two trees, and so if you walk up to the backside, like there's, you know, there's about a three-step gap that I actually built these stairs that go up into this deck, and then I'm going to close that off, but it's mainly a deck, but it's going to have all this cool shit that's attached to it, so it's going to be functional. Because at the end of the day, it needs look nice to where like when they leave and go to college It's still there like me and Courtney can hang and you know have have a little Drink spot or like put it like hot tub there do something with it, you know

Did you guys did your house get affected by all the fires where there was a lot of smoke up there? I know we had it down here, but did you get it up at your place? It was close. Yeah, it was close I think it was up in there was a fire up in a bolder creek. There was one up there, I thought. Yeah, so that was actually concerning quite a bit. And I didn't know anybody that it really affected like personally, but it was, yeah, it was definitely creeping in.

Did you guys see what Thrive Market was doing today? They're matching something, right? They're doing like matching. Yeah, I mean, it's too bad it's just today. So I mean, yesterday, so this episode goes too bad. It's just today So I mean yesterday So this is episode goes live tomorrow. So unfortunately our audience won't get a chance to participate But it just goes this highlights again You know why we love a lot of the companies that we partner with and some of the things that you know

These guys are what they're doing is just so cool everything every every purchase that's made Yesterday if you're listening to this today, right? That it was made is they are matching the dollar for dollar towards all the fires that are going on right now. Yeah, so it's your ad company. So it's something, let me see what, when I'm looking it up here, it says, they're matching every purchase

of a Thrive Market Collection product. So I'm assuming that's their Thrive Market brand. Right. With a donation of a product of the same value, that's, I mean, that's huge because this is a big company. They get a lot of customers, so they're going to be donating quite a bit. It's phenomenal. It's a phenomenal company.

Even though that won't go towards this, I just think they're a great company to be attached to and to support. They're always doing good work. I think it's really cool to see them to jump on something. I mean, I can't imagine like what it takes to steer a ship like this. Like you can't you can't prepare for that, right? For as a marketing team and as a business like yeah, that just happened right and that's like a quick response to do some like that. Like hey, we're gonna, you know, whatever we got going on today for sales. We're gonna donate X amount of dollars towards this this or product or whatever it is to help out.

I think that's really cool. Yeah, very, very cool. Awesome. Well, I'm a little tired for my trip. You're like, tan, too. Yeah, I got dark, huh? Super tan, yeah. Yeah, we were.

We were in, that's the gets most of sun. We were in Cabo for my cousins, my cousin Giuseppe just turned 40 or he's turning 40, so he's the first one of the group to turn 40. And so we did this whole thing. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. And oh man, I don't know if it's the, oh shit, I'm getting old, feeling or whatever,

but we went super hard, you know what I mean? I don't know if it's your ego just trying to prove that you can still do that. I'm out of this use, it'll get bounced back. Yeah, I don't know if it's your ego just trying to prove that you can still do that. I'm out of this use, it'll get bounced back. Yeah, I'm as good as that was when I was 20. And it was, I mean, it's almost all inclusive resorts, which already encourages that kind of behavior anyway. But it would start right around 10, 30 AM,

and we would go till about, you know, between 10 to midnight and just party every day. Every single day we were there, we were going hard every day, every single day we were there, we were going hard every day. And every morning it'd wake up and be like, today I'm not gonna go hard. But then we go downstairs and then. It inevitably.

Yeah, cause it was all the guy cousins, right? So it's my cousin Alex and Gabriel and then there's my brother and my ex brother-in-law who's like a brother to me, Julio and then some other good friends that are there that my cousin's friends. So there's a bunch of dudes that, we've all hung out before,

and it just turns into chaos, essentially. So you just imagine a bunch of like 47, 40-year-old dudes, and their wives and girls acting like we're a bunch of 20-year-olds, but there's a lot of fist pumping in the dance floor. There's a lot of noise and a lot of, yeah. What was it total? How many total of you guys? Oh gosh, there was 13 of us. Oh wow. There's a lot of noise and a lot of, yeah. What was the total? How many total of you guys?

Oh gosh, there was 13 of us. Oh wow. That was a big, big party. To coordinate that, did you have any, were you involved in that at all? No, that was his wife set that all up and she's, I mean, she's amazing with her organizational skills.

But once you're there at the resort, I mean, you could, you just booked the dinners and you just, you just do your thing. Yeah, I was just getting everybody to commit to the same weekend. I mean, that just is such a pain in the ass to do something like that. It's hard to commit, get that many people all in the same place,

especially when you got all different careers and different parts of them. Oh, you wanna know what's crazy? So my ex-brother-in-law, his wife, she was using coconut oil on her skin as instead of sunscreen. And it felt like she was super tan going into this. She, you know, it's wintertime where we're at. So nobody's going into this very tan.

And coconut oil has a natural SPF to it. You have to keep applying it, but it's got a natural SPF. And she says she can't use regular sunscreen because it bothers her skin. She got so dark, she had no sunburn whatsoever. She was in the sun every single day, and all of us got a little red, even though we were using sunscreen.

I don't know you could use coconut oil that way. You can use coconut oil for almost everything, right? How often? How often? Yeah, how often is she having to apply that? I mean, is she like carrying like a bottle of coconut oil? She literally brought a jar of coconut oil. I'm just like pictureing that right now. Yeah, she literally brought a jar of coconut oil. I'm just like picturing that right now.

Yeah, it's literally a jar of coconut oil. One of those kitchen tools to just slap it on. Yeah, it's patchy enough. You rub it on. I guess the only drawback is you look kind of oily. And then maybe you put it on, or you're stuffing your fingers in a coconut bottle and you rub it all over.

Well, it's, it's, it's liquid, no, it's liquidy because it's hot, you know, coconut oil gets hot. So it's not like it's like, you know, it's like paste or whatever. It's liquidy,'s hot. You know, coconut oil gets hot. So it's not like it's like paste or whatever. It's liquid, you see, just put it on. But she got really dark, not even a little bit of sunburn from it. So I had no idea that you could use it that way. She says she uses it on her daughter and the same thing. She's like, she plays out in the sun all the time.

I was on a kick like that with my psoriasis for a while. My, one of my cousins turned me onto that is for her dry skin and everything like that. She uses it almost like a lotion. And she puts it on all of her dry skin. And she's like, you should try this with your psoriasis. And it actually does work and feel great. It just, you feel oily and greasy.

That's the only thing I didn't like about it. And then my clothes get all oily and gr- if I touch anything, it's all oily and greasy. And then again, it rubs off really easy so that I didn't like about it. My clothes get all oily, if I touch anything, it's all oily and greasy. And then again, it rubs off really easy so that I have to reapply it. That's the problem with regular sunscreens is that they have chemicals that are, you know, many people will say are endocrine disruptors,

you know, endocrine disruptors, sorry Doug, that like, they're like Xenoestrogens, right? Rubin your skin, they get into your system and they can affect your potentially affect your hormones in your body, or at least have affinities for some of the hormone receptors, like your estrogen receptors. You could use zinc oxide, which is strong as fuck.

You put that on, and as long as it's on you, you're not gonna burn. And you look like one of those 80s nerds. Yeah, but then it's a little white, even the ones that rub in. That's me. You got a white, you know, a whiteness to it. So coconut oil is 80s nerds. Yeah, but then it's a little white. Even the ones that rub in. That's me. You got a white, you know, a whiteness to it.

So coconut oil is interesting. I'm going to do more research on it because I don't know what the natural SPF of it can be much. I'm assuming it's going to protect you like maybe three times better than not having it, which is not much. So I don't think it'll work on someone like Justin. Yeah. You might just bake him.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah in like a stuck pig. You might just make him a little crispy. Did you guys see? He's got a little owl on my behalf. Did you guys see the article that Jackie sent over on the kid who makes $22 million?

Oh, that one. Yeah. Fucking crazy. Yep, yep, yep. On YouTube, some little, how old was he? So much opportunity out there. That's all that screams to me. It's like, well how old was he?

I can't remember how old he was. He's super young. He's seven. So how was he? Seven years old, made $22 million. I told you guys, man, I told you guys a while ago, I had no idea that these channels even existed until my daughter was watching YouTube

and she's watching these videos of kids opening toys and playing with her. That's all it is. But then I would watch the videos and I'd look at the views, 20 million views, 10 million views on this fucking video. It's insane. Okay, I remember when you were talking about

like your kids kind of show you a hack, like a technology hack that you're like, oh my god, I'm such an, I had no idea. Here's one for you guys. You guys probably, I don't know, maybe you guys don't know this. But do you know like when you're texting or when you're riding something into like, you know,

search bar or whatever? And you know, within your keyboard on the space, you know, on the space bar, if you just hold down the space bar, you can then move and then it moves and the toggle. So it goes in front of like the letters or Next to the side of it it moves it around What I completely have no idea at least I have no you're terrible describing

I'm trying to look So there's a space bar Space bar right here. Yeah, I know that is so tight tight so I'm holding the space bar. You see I'm moving it left the right Oh, you can you could scroll your thumb on the space space bar, and it moves it in front of the letters Did you know that? No, I didn't know that so that's cool So you have a misspelling like you have to go back because remember you have to like point with your finger to trying and it's you're like driving Or what because I drive in text. Cause I mean, who does it? Come on, fuck you for not admitting it.

Yeah, but yeah, so that's, that was mind blowing to me. That is the thing. And you're in your, what your eight year old time, yeah. Yeah, but you don't tell me that, bro. Yeah, we're getting old, you know what I mean? That's what it amounts to. Oh, and I was eight years old. I used to have to teach my,

I used to have to use my grandfather's remote control for him. Oh, I don't, I get the wrong channel get the channel for me They get the remote for them and you'd be like you're so smart Now our kids are teaching us how to use our own damn cell phones. It's silly. You know what that means a little embarrassing You know that means that you think you're gonna monitor your kids internet activity. Yeah, right dude You think you're gonna monitor your kids internet activity? Yeah, right, dude. They're probably monitoring us, dude. Exactly.

I haven't even know everything about us yet to stop. I mean, obviously, all of our episodes are evergreen, right? So even after months go by, we still have downloads happening on all episodes. And so I'm still getting DMs about the episode where I called out the kids and they having the fence does. Oh, right. That is like mandatory.

Like every kid has been that's reached out that's under the age. What do they call it? Fence to. Fence to. Yeah, fake Instagram. Yeah, so it's F I N S T A. So you know you guys.

You guys are having a mouth. Oh, what you need to do to your kids is you just. You've been fence to eating. You know what you guys need to do is just wait. One day at dinner or something like that, be like, hey, you know, it was cruising around on Facebook and you know came across your guys as a fence to gram And just see what they just see the look on their face just see if they get crazy You'll get they'll give away right away if they've got one because right now they think you guys don't even know about it

Yeah, and they got them dude They all got them and they don't have their picnics perfect I think what you said Justin is I just freaked me the fuck out. They are gonna they're gonna monitor You're monitoring us your kids are gonna know what the shit that you look up instead of the way around scary That's not really really disturbed blackmail. Hey dad Can I have a 50 bucks? No, you didn't even do your chores because they're not even gonna be into it You sure about that? Yeah, check out cares about that but dad's into this. Yeah, check out the gross dad.

You'll be afford this porn hub league tomorrow. Oh shit. No, no, don't. You're gonna ruin me son. I'll take $50. Oh my god. Dude, so check this out. I got an article here for you.

So Microsoft wins a $480 million military contract. They're gonna outfit soldiers with something called HoloLens AR Tech. And so what they're gonna do, these are over 100,000 headsets, and what they do is they're gonna put them on and they're gonna simulate battle. So they're gonna train in realistic type battle

through this technology that's basically like what is that? Virtual simulation. Yes, wow. How cool is that? It's dope. How is it? $480, almost half a billion dollars.

They're gonna be investing in this. Because what they're saying is the more almost is Lockheed Martin gets. Yeah, they're saying that what they want is to be able to put soldiers through 25 bloodless battles before the first battle. So that, you know, they can get the soldiers ready for real battle, through doing this through AR or whatever.

It does make sense. Yeah, it is kind of interesting to them. Doesn't it make you wonder if one day will ever get to the point where we could just fight real battles that way? You're going to. I really think that the future of like war will be like video games. There'll be two countries that are talking shit to each other and they'll be like, all right, let's get to the sticks,

they settle the shit. My robot will beat your robot. And it's your tech. We don't have to agree, though. We don't have to agree, that's the rule. That's the future. I think future leaders will look back at our last,

2000 years and go like, what a bunch of idiots. They sacrificed real humans to settle a battle. No, it's interesting about, I've always thought about this because you see it recurring in some movies and some history where they would both agree to use their champions to decide. I always loved that.

I was like, I wonder how often that happened in history for real. Well, okay, look at this way. Look at the battles that countries had before the American revolution, you would see countries agree on a particular place. They'd line up soldiers and they'd fire at each other. And it was like, there were rules. There were kind of rules to war. And then the guerrilla tactics and stuff like that kind of helped America gain its independence and all that, and then war got really, war got uglier and uglier, or at least maybe we perceive it that way, because I mean, isn't it always kind of fucked up?

Right, yeah, I mean, somebody's gonna suffer. Well, think about it this way, countries going to war now, or even before, nobody uses chemical weapons anymore. At least if they do, they know that they're fucked. Like using a chemical weapon, you know that everybody else in the world

is gonna be against you. I hope we could get to the point where, like what Adam's saying, where we could make it virtual reality war and say, and then if the country's like, nah, fuck that, we're gonna fight for real, then the rest of the world says no. We're all gonna jump on this guy's side

because you already made this agreement. Right, right, yeah. And thinking about that, that's how you, we'll be screwed about that. But so you'll settle everything. There'll be like trades arguing back and forth. Anytime there's a disagreement, like, no, fuck you, no, fuck you, we want that, no, that's not fair.

Okay, let's go settle this. Let's go settle this and you get in the virtual world. And you're like, fuck, we lost. Damn. Yeah, we gotta give up, we gotta, we have to trade that over to them. Yeah, you have to have a,, you have to have like a third party hosted so there's no cheating, no cheat codes,

no up, up, down, down. You could look wandering that out. South Korea would dominate. They have like the world's best gamers. Yeah, exactly. You'd fucking kill every moment. Wow. Yeah, that's kind of interesting though, right?

Yeah, I mean, is that much more important? But I mean, half a billion dollars invested in something like that, that's big time. I mean, you see real value in it. Right. That's very interesting to see. Yeah, this is going to play out. Very interesting.

Here's another good article. Or again, it may have, or I think it is going to be on the ballot for 2020, where they're going to put something on the ballot that will allow for 2020, where they're gonna put a, something on the ballot that will allow psychoactive mushrooms to become legalized in Oregon. Oh wow. That's the next, that's the next big liberalization

of drugs or whatever's gonna move in that direction. I think so. And Oregon's gonna have it on their ballot. Look as it's already shown, it's therapeutic value, right? Right, right, right, and so it's all kind of crumbling. I think the war on drugs little by little now It's starting to you know the threads are starting to fray. I think it's starting to come apart and Here's the thing a lot of people Some people argue about the way that our countries divided up and set up with states and stuff like that

But I think it's brilliant because, say, this is the same way alcohol prohibition got overturned. It was state by state, it's happening with cannabis and it's happening with, it may, I think, it's going to happen with magic mushrooms or cytosyben, which is a more, you know, the scientific term for them. Was it you who sent over the article about the free electix fitness business or what about that, or was that Jackie too? I don't think so. Yeah, there's a company based out of Europe.

It's Europe's most popular, one of their most popular application is Poison of Flourish in US market with the help of several Los Angeles based investors. It's called free electix. They're based out of Munich, Germany. They just got 45 million. And it's a all powered mobile fitness coach.

I thought was you who sent that over? No, what is that? Oh yeah, I don't know much about it. It was, I thought it was you who sent it over. That's what I was gonna ask you about it today when we got in. No, no, no, no. Yeah, no.

Well, it's in our thread and it's, you're in the thread and it wasn't me who posted the article. I could have sworn it was you who said it. I can read it to you right now. Yeah, I have it pulled up right now. So it's based out of this, dedicated announcing its first round of private capital after Boots trappings since 2013. The $45 million series A was co-led by FitLab Causeway, Media Partners and Jazz Venture

Partners with participation with courtside ventures, blah, blah, blah. Sports teams includes the San Francisco 49ers, Boston Celtics invested through though free electix chief executive officer Daniel, whatever declined to comment on any partnerships that may be in the works between the startups and the athletes. As you might expect from the name, free electix operates its mobile fitness coaching app on a freemium model with tiered pricing beginning at 11.99 for one month to $74.99 for a year-long membership. The app which offers fitness content and AI-powered training plans tailored to individual users, initially focused on Germany but has since grown in a popularity across Europe and now into the US.

Oh, so it's already been tested in Europe. Yeah. So this is an app that... Yes, it has. It has now has 31 million users in more than 160 countries and use its first bit of VC backing to grow in America's user base, whereas experience 120% growth over the last six months. The company also plans to add a Netflix style training platform where unlimited relevant training plans will be available to paying users as well as nutritional guidance to help people stay fit.

The startup however has no plans to expand into hardware. So do they actually have like real coaches involved with this too like streaming coaches or is this like all AI? I think it's all AI based. I mean it's very competitive what we're doing. Well fitness has is yet to be really disrupted by technology, but it's gonna happen. And no one's yet been able to really knock it out of the door. No, I think, honestly, I'm more impressed by Peloton and what they're doing in terms of the live streaming.

So they actually feel like you feel like you're connected to a real person that way, even if it's you're in a class, but I think they've actually moved it to where they're focused on one-on-one training. And so, but the one-on-one trainer still has to like, sort of manage their time. And I think it's interesting as a new platform. And like if I'm a coach and I'm looking for more business

or more ways to get myself out there, I'm curious to see how much different it will be than the similar model that BodyBillion.com did. And, you know, it looks like they're going to pro athlete and partnering with those people. The same, I'm curious that they'll make the same mistake and why there is room and opportunity for us and why I think we made our way to this space is there was a there wasn't a lot of energy and effort put towards legitimate good programming to really individualized person. Where is it going to be like this,

you know, 31 flavors of programming and you pick and shoot like the consumer picks and shoes. Oh, I want to try this program. Oh, I want to try this versus finding something that's really custom and tailored to that person and what's ideal for them. Are they just going to make it flashy and cool because that's really custom and tailored to that person and what's ideal for them, are they just gonna make it flashy and cool? Because that's a good point because workout plans, being able to just pick whatever workout plan you want,

that's been around for decades. For decades you've been able to do that. Well, it's bodybuilding.com, and it's time, what it did was a brilliant model. It was one of the most active websites in the world, and they were smart what they did was a brilliant model. It was one of the most active websites in the world, and they were smart, and they offer all these free programs on there, and they used all these fitness celebrities, covers of magazine, people, and Instagram type celebrities,

to be the face of it, it was brilliant, to get traction, and they used that freemium model to then market and sell the supplements, is which is where they make all their money and we see them dying now and part of why they're dying is because the value that's been put into the programming it's just you've got all these random people that are just throwing out random workouts and programs and so I would be interested to see if this is something similar to that where it's like okay now we're partnering with these great sports teams and these famous people kind of like what we just talked about with LeBron and who is it that's partnering up and doing the other fitness program that I speculate about.

We'll see if these guys come out with something that really is individualized for the consumer. Yeah, I'm very skeptical. I think, yeah, in certain markets in Europe, especially, like I've been paying attention to a lot of, like, you know, the fitness movement there, and most of it, what I saw in terms of, like, technology and just, like, people adopting it was more based around walking, running, like, very, very basic type programming.

So I'd be curious to dive into that and see what they came up with with their algorithms. There's also the human element that a lot of these people kind of forget about. Like, you know, a lot of people invest in our programs because of us, because they hear us talk and they value what we, a lot of these other companies don't, they bring all these people on board, you know, with all these different personalities, it's a little bit different. It's not as personal.

And I mean, look, how easy has it been just to get a workout for free for now three decades? Even when I was personal training, you could have got a free workout anywhere. Didn't cost anything, but yet why were people working with trainers and then why were people working with trainers, and then why do people stay with trainers? It's part of it's the programming,

part of it's the personal connection, and so that's the piece that I think that technology's having trouble with the fitness industry because it hasn't really been disrupted like other industries. If it was as simple as selling a product, it would have been completely disrupted

just like everyone else. You know what I mean? Well, if it was, I mean, if nutrition was just all completely based off of the law, through the genetics, then that would, I feel like it's the same thing. I feel like. Thermodynamics.

That's what I meant. Thermogenetics. Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics. And it's thermon to genet, you guys are not up on that technology yet. Yeah, but like I, just because of like people want it to be that simple. They want it to be a formula that is like repeatable to everybody.

And it's just not. Well we just haven't, I haven't seen a bunch of fitness nerds like ourselves that are also super tech nerds that have built something together. And that there's always been this disconnect between our two spaces. There's always been the engineers, the brilliant minds that can create the technology, but have no real understanding of what it's like to train thousands of different bodies.

And you don't even know all the variables, or they don't even know they exist. Right. And so that's been the missing link. And again, we're building that from a slower app. People always ask, I got this all the time about, you know, when you guys are gonna get the app, when's the app? Well, part of why we haven't built the app

is if we went to a company, we've done this before, right? And hey, this is, we wanna build this app. We get a bunch of engineers and people that are really, really smart with technology. And they try and take the information that we provide to them and then develop the best app they possibly can without being able to get inside of our brains and really understand the challenges that we see without us articulating that.

It's really tough to do that. It's really tough to communicate that to those type of minds. It really takes the blended one and there's not a lot of them out there, at least not that are on this level that I've got this kind of funding and backing on it. I've met some people, I know that listen to this show that also create apps and have somewhat of an idea of the fitness base, but there's something about when you've trained so many different bodies

and you've seen so many people with the same goals, but you have to go about a total different way, because of... Not just their body body but the psychological component. That's what I mean. I mean, so different. Yeah, you have to take that into account when you're trying to lace on the up front.

And your right, Sal, it's the reason why I think we've had the success we've had is because the show and the forum are absolutely crucial to the success of the programs. And we knew that from day one. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much to separate us from all the other programs that are out there because if it wasn't for you consuming the content and listening going like, oh shit, I just heard what Sal was saying about X, Y and Z. And that's me. I need to be careful not to make these mistakes.

Not at the perfect point. You have to constantly educate throughout the entire process. So it's not, you can't just hand them, you know, like a wrap count in a set range and all that kind of stuff. You have to constantly educate the why and keep affirming what they're doing is moving in a certain direction. Well, this is the main flaw that we saw in Metro

on our buddy Craig and his business plan that he had going on was that Craig and his business plan that he had going on was that I mean, I think he's on to the right track and he has a great idea and he's building a platform with AI and it's really fucking cool. It's really neat for a geek like me that's really into tracking to I would geek out on it. But I also know that there's so many individual variances that it's not just as simple as scaling your sets and reps and weight and volume and your training and be able to reduce it, increase it. There's so many other things like, Sal, you just touched on the psychological factor

that it takes the other person to learn to have to assess themselves, to then make that decision, do I go up, do I go down? It's then presenting the right information in the right amount to them at the right time. So like, yeah, you have to make sure like you're not overwhelming them with all these numbers and all this extra stuff. It's missing the coaching component. And so for us, I mean, it is very interesting.

The podcast and the YouTube channel are our coaching component. The programs are what they follow. So it's like you follow the program, you listen to the podcast, you go on the YouTube, and you've got that coaching along the way, because ultimately the best person, the person with the best information

that's gonna design the best program for you is you. It's not me, it's not Adam, it's not Justin. It's you yourself. You just have to learn how to do it. And that's the, that's the piece that, look, you know what it reminds me of? This is why fitness is so different. It reminds me what happened with 24-hour fitness when, when we were there, during the beginning, it was, we were crushing, we were blowing the doors off everybody. We were breaking, you know, records, growing faster than any fitness company ever had, and then the company got really big, got new investors, and they had a bunch of,

you know, just being counters. You came in, who looked at it like a business, like a retail business, and they said, oh, this is literally what they did, okay? They looked and said, you guys have 400 locations, so you've got more locations than anybody. You've got many in the same city. You have a good equipment, you've got more locations than anybody. You've got many in the same city. You have a good equipment, you've got pool, you've got basketball, you've got all this stuff available to you. All we need to do is sell our membership prices for less than our competitors and we'll kill everybody.

We'll murder the industry. It's all you need is, they would literally say this in the meetings. All we need is a menu. A menu up, when you walk in, option one, option two, option three, people will come in, they'll see the value and they'll just buy it. And all of us who had worked in gyms as long as we did, were like, no, no, it doesn't work that way.

Fitness, you, it doesn't sell that way, it doesn't sell like a product. It's not like, it's not like buying a, you know, it's not tangible. No, it's not like buying a stereo or buying a TV. You have to paint the vision for them. Right. It's not like exactly buying a stereo or buying a, you know, it's not tangible. No, it's like buying a stereo or buying a TV. You have to paint the vision for them. Right. It's not like exactly buying a stereo or buying a car.

You just look for the best price, same TV, same car. And you walk out and you get to drive it out or you get to go home and plug it in and watch it right away and go, Hey, this was a good buy or hey, that you don't get that with fitness, you get access. You get access to go after and go after your dreams and somebody has to be able to paint that vision for someone who doesn't understand that

Right, right. If you are if you are not a competitor or understand nutrition or understand working out and you're coming into the gym to change your body or change your physique or change Your overall health journey like you got to have somebody who knows what they're talking about, paint that vision for you so you understand the process. Then you get the coaching, the support, and all that stuff along the way. Right, right. And this is why, look, if you look at, like,

tech has really disrupted a lot of different spaces. You know, you have companies like, like some of the ones that we work with, like butcher box, for example, like high quality grass fed meat, eliminate the middleman, we'll bring it directly to your door. That means you get to pay less for super high quality food. Like that's a fucking no brainer, but it's a fantastic service. It's a no brainer, right?

And it's disrupting the market. Those types of things that are disrupting the market. Fitness tech has had a tough time disrupting that market because they're missing that component. That's hard to, it's hard to nail down. It's hard to put words to, but we all know it. We all see it with fitness. I can walk into any gym and I can increase their revenue without changing any equipment,

without changing anything else. Just the energy in the gym and the way that the staff works with the members. These are the things that fitness, that makes fitness a much more complex than it seems business. And so when you're selling fitness programs, let's be honest. You could go online and find a hundred workouts for free. You don't have to pay a dime for them. But why are we able to sell programs? Well, there's again, what we're explaining now that you won't be able to get with. And that's why again, when you're talking about some of these, these apps and these, this, this tech, it't be able to get with, and that's why, again, when you're talking about some of these apps and this tech,

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It's the motherfucking vlog! The eagle has landed! Quikwa. Our first question is from Tyler Hagen fit. Hey what up Tyler? What are some of the most important boxes to check in the gaining phase? I feel like when I eat in a surplus I really only put on body fat and not much muscle. How might one turn that around? I used to do that all the time, man. I would just

increase the calories until the scale started to move. And then with the scale, the scale would move. I'd increase the calories some more and just be like, gaining weight. And it was all a lot of good fat. I mean,, we gotta admit, like, there's a little bit of fun in that. That's a little bit of fun. But maybe we have to admit that the thing is that. I'm trying to, we always, like, you know, oh, well, you don't wanna do this way. Like, it was a fun little face.

Well, what are some of the things? Like, right away, it was something that comes to mind. Like, and I know there's a couple, but the first one that comes to mind for me, that was a big box or a game changer when I was trying to gain that I kind of piece together on like things that I had to do. One of those was when I made the transition into a bulk phase or started to eat in a

increase of calories was changing my programming. Because I like it, like many people, we gravitate towards the movements, the exercises, the routines, the rep, the rep ranges, the rest periods that we like. And, you know, but we all said and change our eating patterns to try and change our physique. And we don't always address the programming. And when I began to anytime I changed the goal, I could come to lean out, I'm gonna bulk up, also changing my programming at the same time and giving my body a new stimulus, especially when I'm trying to gain and build. That was a major gain changeer for me.

That's a big box. The workout has to be number one, because if you're not sending the right signal, all the calories in the world are just gonna, they're just gonna make you fatter. I'm just gonna cluster up. Yeah, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've had clients who've come to me

who wanna gain muscle and I don't even change their diet at all. I just changed their workout. They start to get stronger and next thing you know, the scale starts to move up. The other thing you wanna consider is gaining muscles a slow process. It doesn't happen very quickly. Very rarely can you put muscle on in a very quick fashion.

One instance is a beginner. Someone has genetically gifted and who's a beginner. Sometimes we'll put muscle on pretty quick. I could get like a 16 year old boy who's got good muscle bullying genes, never really lifted weights before, put them on a traditional full body type routine where we're focusing on squats and deadlifts and bench, and then have me a little more. And I could put 10, 15 pounds on that kid in months, in months period of time. You know, I was thinking about this because when I was going through the anabolic program that we have, I noticed that phase one, even though it was something that I liked before, but really focusing on

that central nervous system style training, really increased my appetite. And that was something that I was like, oh wow, I'm getting hungry. So for somebody that's like, I don't know, needs to gain, or as a hard gainer, for that to be the first stimulus and then go into the next phase now

or we're working on hypertrophy. And where our calories are just naturally kind of building up from there. I found that it was interesting. It was interesting as all programmed in with the fitness attached to that. Yeah, diet is, of course, diet is very important, but then we have some myths that came out of the bodybuilding world. I believe that they were fueled by the introduction of anabolic steroids.

And that's where you get some of these statements that I believe are myths, like here's one. There's no such thing as overtraining only under eating. That's a massive myth. But if you're on anabolic steroids and you're taking high doses, could you just eat more food and maybe gain some muscle? Maybe, probably more true for that person than it is for the natural individual. I also would hear, you know,

lifters say things like, oh, you want to gain mass, you just got to throw more, they wouldn't even worry about the workout. Yeah, you keep working out the way you are, just eat more and more food. That's not true for everybody. The workout is what initially sends the muscle building signal. And if your body wants to build muscle, this is something you want to kind of understand. If your body wants to build muscle, it'll do so on less calories than you think.

It doesn't require a whole shit ton of calories to do that. I mean, even if we break it down to the simple, and you look at a pound of muscle, and how many grams of protein would be required to build that pound of muscle, how many grams of protein would be required to build that pound of muscle. You need to increase your protein and take about like five grams a day or something like that.

It's really, really silly, especially if you're gaining a pound of muscle every two or three weeks, which would be a very rapid rate of muscle gain for most people. Unless, of course, you're a beginner, in which case, many times it happens much faster. Wasn't that like blue our minds and Ben Pack was talking about, you know, bodybuilders, we assumed like they were just able to, uh, can more, yeah, consume like eight, 10,000

calories, you know, meal, like days. And it was like, no, no, it's just, they've been able to utilize, uh, you know, utilize all that food like more efficiently. That's right, I mean, here's the argument, I always tell people, if I took a bunch of guys eating, let's say they ate 2,500 calories a day, doing workouts and I changed nothing at all but just put them on anabolic steroids, they'd all build muscle without any more calories.

So I'm not saying you don't need to eat more than you're burning to gain because that's one of the things you need to do. But what I am saying is you want to get out of the mentality of stuffing your face like a maniac, trying to make the scale move. Because what will happen is you'll, like this guy's noticing, you'll gain body fat. Did I ever tell you guys about the time I had a bet over who could gain the most mass? It was me, it was my buddy Ryan, and then DJ,

who at the time was my fitness manager, you know, DJ way from there. So the three of us were, and Ryan was like one of my top trainers. DJ was a fitness manager and I was a general manager and we would all talk about working out and then we started working out together and then we made this bet.

And I don't remember how my thing was $500. Who could gain the most weight in 60 days? Who can gain the most mass? And we just went on an eating spring now. It wasn't who could gain the most muscle, it was just who could gain the most weight. And so it was, I mean the things that we did were just absolutely crazy. I got my body weight up to 238 pounds. But by the time I cut that all off, because afterwards I was just felt so disgusting. And you ended up with a net too. The net was the same.

I don't even think I gained that much more. A lot of times guys lose. That was a major thing that happened to me a lot, which is I'd put on the 20 pounds also, and then when I would cut all the way back down, when I would get to my single-digit body fat, go get my test done. And I'd actually be, you know, one or two pounds less muscle

than I had going into the bulk. And I would be like, mother fucker. What was the point of all that if I just, if I actually lost one? And that's because we tend to swing to both extremes. When we go in the bulk, we over consume my crazy, we end up putting on more body fat. When we go into the cut, we tend to cut cut really really hard and cut so much the body source to adapt and even lose muscle mass

So I'm thinking of all the things that were like major pivotal points for me in my fitness journey and and spent since I spent a majority of it Trying to master and figure out the bulk Another thing that was a game changer for me was to take my volume and measure it where I'm at currently before I decide to go on this bulk. And I would keep it simple. What I would do is I would look at my big compound lifts. So I look at my squat, my deadlift, my bench, my overhead press, and for a couple weeks, like two weeks, typically is what I would do. I would track my volume.

So sets reps weight, you multiply all three of those that gives you your total volume. And I say, okay, what's my total volume on my overhead press? What's my total volume on my bench press? What's my total volume on my squat in a week? So what am I? And I would take two weeks so I can get kind of an average of the two of them. And now I'd figure that whatever that number is. Let's just say for hypothetical reasons, it lands at 10,000 pounds of volume for my squat.

And it's in the next week. It's like 10,500. So I'm going to say, okay, on average, I'm hitting about 10,250 pounds of volume for my squat. I would then set a goal to incrementally increase that volume over the next four to six weeks that I would be bulking. The what an incredible way to ensure you are probably going to build muscle. I mean, that is one of the easiest ways to, if you're eating an increase, if you're eating in a surplus of calories, and you are gradually increasing your volume, especially when we're talking about the bit major lifts that I just mentioned, it's going to be hard for you not to build muscle. You are going to build muscle for that.

A majority of what happens a lot of times is we neglect tracking volume because it takes work, it takes effort to write down your sets, write down your reps, write down your weight, figure all that out. And I know that it seems tedious for a lot of people to do, but if you want to guarantee building muscle, this is a big step to take in your training program because sometimes you don't know what you're total,

you think, oh, I changed my workout, not realizing your total volume is lower than it was before. Or you just, you were one week, you're feeling great. So you're crushing the weights, you had intense workouts, you did extra sets there all the time. And then the next week, you have kind of an off week and your volume decreases. And you don't know it decreases

because you still feel like you train consistently every single day and you did the normal exercises, but you did lay off a little bit. And you got to understand that when you do that, you do sit in a signal to the body that it doesn't need as much muscles that need the previous week. So if you kind of do this,

this is what causes a lot of peaks and valleys for people that are in trying to gain consistently and they just can't seem to do that. But if you have a much more strategic approach and that comes by tracking and seeing where you're at before you go into the bulk and just and it doesn't need to be a lot. You don't need to go from you know 10,000 pounds of total volume and then it go to 20,000 the next week. You don't need to do that at all. Just make sure you're slowly increasing week over week and watch the gains come on. Yeah and now that being

said there are cases there are K and a are, I know, a strategical. I'm mad. That one doesn't know my very, like that one. Now, that's almost as good as, what did you say? Yeah, thermogenics. Thermogenics. Thermogenics. It sounds like something.

Well, if you have good thermogenics, it's very strategic for you to do this one. Yeah, you're on fire. That's the law of the law. You're a genetic lion on fire. You said thermogenetics, that's what you said. Thermogenetics, yeah, yeah. It's the law of the law of the law of the law. You're a genetic lion on fire. You said thermogenetics. That's what he said. Thermogenetics.

Yeah, it's a new way. Now, that being said, there are cases where reducing volume will actually put muscle on you. In some cases, for the hard core, this was me, I would do so much exercise, so much working out that I was just overdoing it. And when I reduced it, I started to gain weight. One of the biggest game changers for me, and one of the years that I put on the most muscle I'd ever put on my

life was the summer. I want to say my sophomore after my sophomore year. It was either after my freshman after my sophomore year. I gained over a summer almost about 12 pounds of mostly lean body mass. And it was legit lean body mass. I'm gonna have to stretch marks on my legs and on my shoulders. The summer of 69. And one of the reasons why this happened for me was this was the first time I had ever really dedicated a lot of time to squatting and deadlifting.

Those two exercises put so much muscle on me and compared to other exercises, it was absolutely insane. So if you're somebody really wants to other exercises, it was absolutely insane. So if you're somebody who really wants to gain mass, you got to focus on those big compound lifts and practice them and get good at them. And when I say practice them, I mean treat them like a skill. So rather than going to Jim and Hammer yourself,

just practice them frequently all the time, get really, really good at them and then watch what happens to your muscle in terms of how it grows. Here's the last one that I'll say that was a game changer for me. This one took me a long time to learn. Sleep makes a huge difference on how much muscle your body's going to build. Now when I was a kid, I get away with not sleeping that much.

I had five, six hours that wake up and I feel like I was full of piss and vinegar and it would go to work and do my thing. And I remember there was this old timer that worked out in my gym, old lifter, but he was jacked. He was like 240 pound guy. He looked old to me, but in reality he's probably like 47 years old or something like that. And I remember talking to him and he would tell me, oh, I've been lifting weights since I was in the 70s, this, that, and the other. And I asked him, I said, okay, well, what are the secrets like to building muscle?

And he said, compound lifts, train your whole body at least two or three days a week. You know, make sure you get adequate protein. And then he said, and then make sure you get really good sleep. And I kind of smirked when he said that. And then he stopped me. And he said, no, he goes, I did, he goes, everybody does that when I tell him to get more sleep.

He goes, you talk to anybody's been lifting weights as long as I have, and they'll tell you just how important it is. He goes, trust me, go to bed at a particular time, wake up at a particular time, get eight hours of sleep every single night and watch what happens. And I remember he actually sold me on and I said, okay, I'm going to give this a shot. And I did it, I went to bed, and I got, you know, 78 hours of sleep every night,

and after about a month, I remember my strength went up considerably on almost every single lift just from doing that alone, and I thought to myself, like, wow, something so simple as getting good sleep could have that big of an impact. But it's absolutely true, it's absolutely true. And this is very, very important to talk to kids about,

especially because the person asking the question, don't know how old you are. I don't know what your exercise history is, but usually when someone's asking me a question about putting on masks, like I need to put on a lot of muscle, and I just put on body fat when I eat more. It's very young mentality. Usually it's somebody who's in their teens,

20s, and it's a dude, probably, Ectomore for, or somebody who's skinny fat. And what usually goes along with that is somebody who doesn't typically get good sleep. They party, you know, and they wake up, and you know, they wake up early because they have to go to school or to work, and they don't really pay attention to the fact

that they're not getting adequate sleep. Makes a huge difference. It also makes a big difference on fat loss. Your body wants to store body fat when it's in a state where it thinks it's stressed. And it doesn't necessarily want to put muscle on because remember muscle is expensive. So sleep is an important part of that, not to mention the recovery and rebuilding process a large percentage of that, or at least a significant chunk happens while you're sleeping. That's when your growth hormone levels are at their highest level.

They peak during that sleep period. Your body's insulin sensitivity is much better when you get good sleep. You want to be sensitive to insulin, especially if you're trying to use carbohydrates to build muscle, which you should be doing. I guess that would be the last thing I would say is don't cut any macro too long or too low. It's really, really hard for most people to gain a lot of muscle on a ketogenic diet, on a super, super low carbohydrate diet.

You're gonna wanna have an adequate amount. Does it mean you have to have high amounts of all these things. Same thing with fat, you can't go too low on fat if you wanna build muscle because you need fat for hormones. So make sure you've got a balance of you know fats, carbs, and then make sure your protein intake is adequate where you're getting about one gram of protein per pound of body weight or a little less than that is right around where you want to be. So it's like 0.7.8 grams per pound of body weight if you're relatively lean. Do that. Do the good

workouts monitor your volume, get good sleep, and then remember it's a slow process and then be consistent. Next question is from Sarah, shapes up. You guys talk all the time about getting calories high before starting a competition prep. What's a good body fat range to starter prep? That's a good question. I would say for, yeah, I would say for, I'm gonna leave the female one up to you, Adam, because that's

a tough one for me, but for men, I would say, especially if you're trying to compete in the three, you know, two to four percent body fat range, you're probably gonna want to walk into prep maybe 11% at the most. Well, you would work it backwards, right? So you're right, two to four percent is about where you want to hit stage. And then if you're a woman, you're going to be somewhere between, you know, 8 and 13, depending on how you carry body fat percentage, right? Because there's more of a little variance with the women when it comes to their body fat

percentage. But you want to go, you want to work your way backwards from that. So if that is the desired body fat percentage you want to be at when you hit stage, you would like to have, you would like to have a week for a half a percent. So the body, you can, you can, from a healthy standpoint, you can drop a half a percent to a percent a week, a percent on the high end, a half a percent on the lower end. So I would always gauge my shows that either I was prepping for or prepping somebody else for, at okay, we're going to lose a half a percent of body fat every single week.

So that would dictate how long my prep is. And I never want to put somebody on a prep for more than like eight to ten weeks. I don't even like doing that long. Oh wow, so a lot of these guys are doing 12 weeks or longer? Yeah, and that's, to me, that's a long time. That's a long time to be stressing the body in a core deficit. And it's almost inevitable that long of a cut that your body is going to slow down its progress, especially if you're trying to aggressively cut.

And you have a long ways to go. So I would like to be at a body fat percentage that's, you know, so if I have to drop 6% body fat, then you would want 12 weeks. You know, you'd want 10 to 12 week range, you'd want that range to drop 6% body fat. So if I'm a guy and I want to get down to 3% body fat, I don't want to be higher than about 9% going into prep. So going into prep. Now that's important to note because most guys have never been to 9% to begin with. Let alone get down to 4%.

Which is also why I think that's important. I think it's important that you take yourself to a low enough body fat percentage that you've never been to before. So you understand the discipline that it takes, the consistency that takes, also how your body responds. Because even though I'm saying these random numbers,

there's gonna be an individual variance. Does it mean there hasn't been some outliers that I've trained or that I've experienced where we've lost more than a percent of body fat in a week. And that doesn't mean there's some outliers that struggle to lose even a half a percent in a week. So you need to find out how responsive your body is when you decide to go into cut.

Some people lean out really easy, have a harder time bulking and vice versa. Like leaning out is, my body's very responsive. When I decide to say, okay, I'm gonna go for a cut and I wanna lean out, my body's very responsive. So, I only had, I think, two preps that I did longer than six weeks. Most of my preps were as short as four to six weeks.

And I kept myself in single digits before I would head into my next cut. So, I'd be hovering around somewhere between 8% and 9% body fat. I always knew that that was four weeks to six weeks out from stage ready for myself. And then it was a very easy cut for me. It wasn't difficult at all. I didn't have it to do crazy amounts of cardio. I didn't have to cut my calories below much lower than 2,500 calories in a day.

And I thought it was as healthy and as safe as I could do that. So the same thing applies, whether you're male or female, figure that your body from healthy, or from a healthy standpoint can drop half percent to a percent a week, which of course. That's good consistent, you gotta be consistent as fuck to do that.

Oh yeah, I mean, if you're, if you're someone who's even considering a prep, the, I don't even think I need to speak to how dialed you have to be as far as consistency goes I mean, it's it's extremely difficult for anybody to lower their body fat percentage to single digits much less low single digits much less time it on a day So you're like sliding into that so the amount amount of discipline, consistency, and room for air is little to none when we're talking about this. And so, yeah, you need to be not only dialed and perfect,

you need to be dialed and perfect for X amount of weeks that equate to a half a percent to 1% per week. And again, I don't like to gauge it off a one percent because what I always like to do is say, okay, I know I can easily drop a half percent, sometimes a percent a week heading into a show. I want to plan for I'm gonna drop a half a percent a week so I can cruise into that.

And then I can look at my evaluate where my body is, the final two or three weeks, and no, do I need to aggressively push it or can I stay consistent with this momentum that I already have going into? I think it's important to say, really to say the following, competing in a stage presentation sport,

getting on stage, being that lean and getting that lean and doing all the things that it requires to do that, it's not healthy at all. It's very difficult for the body. It's very challenging. It's very high stress thing for the body. So that being said, your best bet is to be as healthy as possible before you go into a prep.

You have to be very, very healthy to go into a prep because if you're not, you're gonna end up with some problems. You're gonna end up some damage, whether it's hormonal damage, whether it's a metabolism that's adapted in a way to where it slowed down considerably. And now in order just to maintain your normal body weight, you can only consume 1200 calories or 1700 calories

if you're a man. Like, you wanna consider all that. You have to go in as healthy as possible and so Again, if you're a guy and you're you know, you're hearing what Adam's saying, which is half a percent to a percent a week And you want to start your prep at about 9% body fat. That means you have to be at a healthy 9% That doesn't mean you need to be at a 9% you've dieted to before you start your prep. That's a major, incredible point because if you've dieted it

down to 9% to start your prep. Yeah, and then you go into the prep and you've already been reducing and lowering your calories. No, you don't want, you want to be at 9% body fat. And again, we're using like hypothetical numbers, but that's a good place to be for a male around 9% body fat, you know, and again, we're using like hypothetical numbers, but that's a good place to be for a male, around 9% body fat, and you also want to be eating a substantial amount of calories. You want to be well fed at that point. You want to have ramped your metabolism up that I'm at 9%, when I was at 9% body fat going into a cut, I was eating, depending on what part of my career we're talking about, the amateur or professional level, I was eating somewhere between 4,000 and 5,500 calories.

That's a lot of calories for somebody that night. That's, I knew I had lots of room to take away from my body to really shred out more and still being a very healthy place. I knew I could restrict 500 to 1,000 calories a day, every day of my prep leading up into my show and still being a very healthy place as far as being fed. I mean, I only had I think one show that I ever dropped below 2500 calories that final week to get into that. I believe that was USA's when I when I went pro that

was the lowest I had ever been. And I and I felt great that till that final week, I mean, final week of prep, it's inevitable. I mean, you've been cutting the body for so long, you're doing cardio at this point. Like, yeah, I mean, at that point, it becomes a sport. At this point, it is no longer me being fit and lean. It's about being shredded to look a certain way on stage. And by no means do I think I'm at a healthy point in my life. I mean, nobody is that's walking around at two or three percent body fat.

It's a matter of time before they do some wide studies on people who compete and they start to show some of the potential damage that happens to people. Women are much more susceptible to the damage than men. A male's body is more resilient to calorie restriction than a woman's body and that's just an evolutionary thing. Your body's designed to have a baby and to support life. And so your body shuts down. Women lose their hormones. They lose their period. The hormones go change really rapidly. Things happen to men too and there's some damage as well, but I can't tie it. I probably get, I don't know, five DMs a day from women

who are like, my body just, I ruined it through, you know, I did two competitions back to back, and now I've ruined my body. And this is my love that I have for our good buddy Lane. And I know Lane takes a lot of shit from his approach at how he gets attention and how he's grown, his social presence. But the way I found Lane originally, was he was the first really, really intelligent person

that I found in the men's physique, women's bikini coaching world that was speaking out on this. Up into that point, it was just a suffer fest for everybody. Everybody just was all about how much you could cut and how much cardio could do and metabolism is getting fucked up all over the place.

And I saw it right away when I came into it, when I started talking to all these coaches and listening to the regimens that they had, these people on, especially the women's bikini. And that's what caused me to start searching online and find out. And that's where I came across the lane. And that's what caused me to start searching online and find out. And that's where I came across the lane. And I liked him right away because I was like,

finally, somebody who fucking that sees this and is speaking out and trying to tell people that there's a much better healthier way to go about this and bottom line, a majority of you shouldn't be doing it. It's a sport, you know, and it can be a dangerous one. If you don't, if you're not in a healthy place already, you know, getting, getting yourself that extremely lean is, it can be dangerous. And so this is why, I mean, and I'll forever have love for laying for

that because his mission and what he stands for originally and what he, what he got, how he got famous was from this was helping these, you know, bikini competitors, you know reverse diet Like he was the first person I ever heard talk about the reverse diet now everybody talks about it And it's become a buzz word But Lane was one of the original people that was speaking out on this and was teaching people It's where I learned reverse dieting from and I think that that's one of the things that we get lost in the weeds with him Because of all the the other tension that he's got from, you know, calling out other people and people that

now that are coming on to his page and seeing what, but that's what really what Lane was all about when he first started. And I got a lot of respect for him because, I mean, now everybody, now all the coaches, now all the Instagram people are talking about it and they're jumping on the bandwagon, oh, reverse dieting and calling all this out. But I mean, before us, the only person I knew was Lane that was speaking out on this. And so got a lot of respect for what that guy was putting out.

And I know that his competition, here's a plug for you Lane, like his competition prep book is very, very thorough. So if you're somebody who is wanting to learn and wanting to know how to do this right, I think that's an incredible investment. Right. Next question is from Noah Thaler.

Can you guys talk about your beliefs regarding the supposed three body types, endomorph, ectomorph, and mesomorph? You know, I first learned about the, what do they call them, stomatotypes? Stomatotypes, yeah. I first learned about these when I was, I wanna say 14 or 15 years old, and

I bought Arnold Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia bodybuilding. And he had a segment in there talking about the three different semato types. And what was cool about this book is that he also showed bodybuilders that fit in those classic categories. Right, right. Like the Frank Zane. Yeah, it was really really cool. And so before I get into it, here's what the semato types are supposed to be, we're supposed to do, right? So ectomorphs are long and lean, little body fat,

very little muscle, and they have a hard time gaining weight. Then you have the mesomorphs, which are the athletic, solid, strong people, not overweight, not underweight. They kind of eat whatever they want and they gain lots of muscle. And then you have endomorfs who are heavier, bigger, gain more body fat and tend to gain body fat easier when they eat more food. And have a hard time cutting.

And have a hard time losing or getting leaner. Now the problem with this is that I don't know, most people are not purely one of these things. All of us, most people tend to be a culmination of them. Like, I know people who seem to be like ectomorphs long and lean, but then they lift weights and they build muscle very, very quickly. I know endomorphs who, apparently endomorphs just gain lots of body fat very quickly, but you clean up their diet, they get lean really easily.

And so it didn't seem to be this genetic thing alone. And so that's my issue with the body fat. Well, they've been dispeled. They've been dispeled. There's been enough research that's been out there that they truly don't exist for that exact reason what you're saying. There's so many individual variances that there's

enough endomorce out there that actually can lose body fat relatively. It was just another attempt to sort of generalize and basically steer people in a certain direction because people, they get benefit out of simplicity. And so I think that this just really generalized the process of like, well, I can identify myself in this body type. So therefore, I'm going to, you know, pursue, you know, ways, ways of dieting and nutrition or, you know, ways of training that, you know, are common amongst these types of body types. Well, this, this is what, why I picked this question, I picked this question because it came up in my, you know, my, my Q and A thing that I got the same one. Yeah. So this is why I wanted to bring it up.

Yeah, maybe the same person, but I've had this asked to me multiple times. And I really think the reason why I'm getting asked this question is because some of our peers are putting out a lot of bullshit out there in order to drive traffic or to sell. This is the workout for as a mezzamort or endomorph. Download this test and find out what program is best for your body type.

Exactly. My wife's good friend. Like, it's a nurse just got sucked into that. Yes. What does endomorph mean? So, like, like, she's like banking on that. So, this was my response to that was, you know, it's a gimmick that is used to market and sell to people that want to identify with a certain body type.

Like people go, oh, that's me. Like I'm totally like an ectomorph, and so, oh my God, I should be doing a different workout program, or I should be following a different diet than this person. That makes sense why I wasn't seeing the results I want. It's poking out of our, again, at our insecurities

and what we don't know about physiology, but the bottom line is that there's such an individual variance that it's really, it's moot, it doesn't matter. It also encourages the belief that the way you look is in terms of muscle fat, gain is all genetic. It encourages that. Like, oh, I know why I'm overweight It's because I'm an endomorph. Oh, I know why I don't have lots of muscle right? I'm an ectomorph

Not quite because there's a lot of it for example endomorph looking people out there that It's just the way they eat the way they eat and they don't move much There's a lot of ectomorphs out there who don't carry a lot of muscle They just don't eat that much and they don't exercise that much. This was all constructed from William H. Sheldon. I guess I remembered, I'm like, where did this all come from? It was tied in somehow to eugenics, which was obviously widely dispelled. So it was to say, Sheldon's ideas that body type was an indicator of temperament,

moral character, or potential, while popular in an atmosphere accepting of these theories of eugenics were soon widely vilified. Oh no shit. Yeah. They used to do that with the kind of nose you have, the kind of ears that you have,

you know, bumps on your head, for example. Oh, if you have this kind of a smile, then your temperament is this. And these are fun games to play, by the way. It's like, the associations are like, oh yeah, like that makes sense. Yeah, go through your Facebook and at some point you're gonna see some click Badi ad that says something like,

you know, which one is you find out what your favorite color says about your personality? Like, ooh, I like red, what does that say? You're a fiery, you know, passionate person, whatever bullshit. So that's the thing. Now, are there people who genetically are thinner, thicker, build more muscle easily?

Of course, of course there are. But there's so many environmental factors that influence that. That I, there really isn't much information that that's gonna give you. It's not like I can look at someone and write out the gates. Like, again, I could take, and I've had this before.

I've had a client who, I've had clients who've come to me who look very thin and kind of frail. And you know, initially I wanna think to myself like, oh, this person's gonna have a tough time gaining muscle. You know, they're really skinny. But then I look at their lifestyles, like, oh, you sit at a desk all day, you eat a thousand calories a day and you never work out.

Then I would have them eat a little more, lift some weights and press the change out, they gain muscle like a freaking, like a maniac. Oh, all of a sudden it looks like you can put on muscles, just your activity level. That's the problem I have with this. Most of us are a combination of these things, of these, you know, somato types, if you will. But your lifestyle plays a huge role in terms of obviously fat gain, muscle gain. I mean, let's talk about endomore, for example, you know, we think

of, you know, our genetics plays this huge role in why there's people with, with so much obesity. Genetics accounts for like 10, 15 pounds, maybe there really isn't any, there really, we didn't evolve to have people who are 50 or 60 pounds over a way. That's a result of lifestyle. It just doesn't happen. You take a bunch of advantage. Yeah. You take a bunch of people and you put them in a controlled environment, have a meat, like a hunter gatherer type diet and have them be very active. Some people will be about 10, 15 pounds heavier and some people will

be a little lighter, but you won't have these wild fluctuations in body fat. Well, not to mention the same people for every strength, there's a weakness to that too when it comes to building your body aesthetically, right? So when you have somebody who is an endomorph and they tend to hold on to energy, right? Better than other people and they tend to carry a little bit higher body fat. Those people also tend to build easier too. It takes less calories. Going towards what Ben Pekolsky was talking about with those bodybuilders, they just

don't need as many calories to build muscle. That could be a disadvantage when you're trying to be lean and skinny, right? But if you're trying to build a bunch of muscle and you want to be massive, that could be an advantage to you that you don't need as many calories to build all this muscle and the more muscle you build the faster your metabolism works in turn. So the grass is always greener on the other side. I mean, I guess the ideal body type is somebody who's kind of in the middle that messo more for you have the bowl. And I think we all have seen these outliers.

We've all had somebody who's a friend who, man, they just barely touched the weights. They eat Taco Bell and they still look fucking fantastic, you know, and they have that, they have that, you know, meso morph body type or they fall in that category. But it doesn't mean that person still can't get fat. It doesn't mean that person still can't get skinny. It just means that what they, for what they do in their lifestyle, their body is more advantageous for that type of a look or body type. Next question is from Emily Ann Mady. What was the lowest point in your fitness journey?

Why do you think you got there and what did you do to come back? That's easy one for me. Right around, I wanna say, I think I was around 30, maybe 29-30, up until this point I'd have been working out, you know, pretty consistently since the age of 14. Pretty consistently lifting weights. Some points doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but still incorporating resistance training, but

most of it was focused around working out lifting weights. And I fed myself and took supplements and ways to try to maximize muscle. And then I have the same approach and understanding of health and wellness that I have now. I was much more of a meat head, if you will. I would just push calories and push protein and take all these crazy supplements

and work out real hard to try and get big. I'd bulk up in the winter time up to 220 pounds on average. Then I'd cut down to 190 pounds in the summer and do all this crazy stuff. And right around the age of 30, my body just basically rebelled. It told me fuck you is what it did. And I remember, like it was yesterday, as I've always had kind of a sensitive gut,

where if I ate the wrong thing, my symptom would be diarrhea, I'd get diarrhea, right? Well, that started happening to me, and so the way I would fix it typically is I would Clean up my diet a little bit. So that's what I did. I cleaned it up. Still isn't going away Clean it up a bit more. Still isn't going away. I got to the point where I was eating chicken breasts and and rice and vegetables and oatmeal. Oh boiled and It wasn't nothing was happening. It wasn't going away.

And I lost close to 15 pounds of body weight. And I looked, I looked sick, couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. Went to the doctor, they couldn't figure out what was kind of going on to me. You know, we were suspecting autoimmune issues. I didn't know what was happening. You know, somebody who had identified so strongly with lifting weights,

being strong, being a trainer, here I am with something that I can't control. I'm weak, I have no energy, and I don't even look like I work out. In fact, my biggest fear was I'm starting to look skinny and weak, and it was really, really a difficult time for me. And luckily, at that time, when I had a personal training studio, I had people working in there that, with me, who were wellness experts.

I had one was a physical therapist and one was a massage therapist, but they also looked at the human organism as a whole and they would, and they looked at everything, you know, food intolerances, hormones. I mean, you name it, they both were, you know, students of that. And the whole time I'd worked with them, I'd saw what they did with other clients. And I thought it was cool, but it wasn't for me, right? I'm a, I'm a, I know proteins, fats, carbs, I know lifting weights. Well, I finally turned to them and I said, I don't know what to do.

Like, I don't know what's going on. And they had me sign up for some gut testing. And I went on this year long protocol of putting my health first, stopped worrying about building muscle, stopped worrying about getting stronger, and just focused on getting healthy. And I at that point, I probably had leaky gut syndrome really bad. I realized that through testing, I was intolerant to gluten, dairy, peanuts, and egg whites. Those were the big ones. I had to cut those out completely. Didn't realize that some of the marinades and sauces that I was using for my chicken breast contained gluten that they would throw in there as a thickener.

I was eating eggs like crazy because that's a bodybuilding food. Didn't realize that the whites were bothering me. I was eating peanuts, because I knew that eating legumes and nuts were healthy for you, not realizing that that was causing intolerance. I had to eliminate most all my supplements, and it took me about a year to heal.

The irony of all that was, the lowest point became the most transformative turning point in my entire life. That's funny, right? That moment, that time, that period of time for me, the most transformative turning point in my entire life. That's funny, right? That moment, that time, that period of time for me, is 100% what directed and molded and shaped the voice that I now present on the podcast

and for Mind Pump. It's what made me who I am. It's why I went down that wellness road and really started to understand the human body from a completely different angle. It became a much, much better trainer to my clients, but I really, I needed to get kicked in the nuts really hard to really figure it out to the point where, and the irony of all this is, and this was the crazy point. I remember it was about a year and a half after this all happened. And I had really started to heal my body.

I'd even stopped paying attention to what I looked like because I had made health such a big priority. About a year and a half into it, somebody took a picture of me working out one of my staff members and I looked at the picture and I'm like, holy shit, and I look pretty fucking good. I don't remember ever really looking that good. And then I started paying attention to my aesthetics

and I realized I actually looked better focusing on my health than I did before when all I did was focus on my aesthetics and it was like a light bulb that went off for me and that's when I realized Holy shit if I if I just focus on my health, I'm gonna get a great deal of the aesthetics, the strength, the muscle, all those other things. If I just focus on aesthetics, muscle, and strength, I'll lose my health, and then I'll lose the aesthetics on top of it. And it really changed who I was in this space. And what you hear me talk about now is 100%

because of that lowest point that I had in my fitness journey. But it took a while, it was a year of fucking hard knocks school, man. I really had to learn that whole time. Yeah, I remember a process, and it was like, after I was done with college football, and I knew specifically that, when everything stopped,

because my whole life had been running at full speed in terms of being physical, you know, all the time. That was managed. Like, I just always would would work out. I was always moving. I was always playing sports and just doing shit. And my nutrition was just all over the place. Like, it's just not something I ever had to consider. the place. Like, it's not something I ever had to consider. And it was something that, um, I was actually like more actively trying to acquire calories. And would move in, I moved in with these guys, and I had talked about this the very beginning of the podcast. Like these guys were, you know, just gigantic human beings who consume, you know, eight to 10,000 calories easy, that would just go down to these buffets and just crush.

And they bring me along with them. And it was kind of a funny thing at the time because it's like you're in college. And it was kind of a competitive thing in terms of how many calories you could get in. And I got kind of into that. I was never really into it because of the feeling of it. But that was the group I surrounded myself with. I got kind of into it, I was never really into it because of the feeling of it, but that

was the group I surrounded myself with. So this became inevitably part of the lifestyle that I was leading. I was living with these guys and we were sitting and we were eating, I was not active anymore. I wasn't, and I had a gym membership and I'd occasionally go, but I just, it was just creeping up and creeping up and sooner or later I just look, I'm like, oh my god, like I've been packing away. Like the pounds have been, been putting on and walking up like flights of stairs, I would start to sweat and like get winded. I swear to God, I was like, I felt so heavy and just like, I had no idea like that that

could happen to me because being an athlete, being somebody who's always never, like, not moving, never not doing things. All of a sudden to now I'm doing nothing and now I have to find a new purpose. And it was depressing. It was depressing as fuck. And I was like, I got to a place where it was really dark. And I was like, I need to get back into this.

And I just thought, immediately, I gotta get into the gym. And like I had to do something with my life. And that's actually when I was like, I gotta go home, dude, and get back to like whatever lifestyle like I had before this. And I think that was the major draw. Because I was having a lot of fun.

I was, you know, in a band, I just finished school. Like, life was cool, it was super chill. Like, I was, I had all this freedom. And you know, I didn't know where I was gonna go with my life. I didn't have a job lined up or anything. And it was like, I get back to California. I'm like, what am I gonna do?

I like working out. I wanna get back, I wanna, you know, get back in shape. Like, that was my whole thing was just really improving myself. And then I just saw an ad for like the 24-hour fitness and I knew I was good at working out. And like that was a huge passion of mine, but I didn't know what I was doing in terms of like coaching people.

That's what we met. And then yeah, and then I ran into this guy. That's why you had that dream. Yeah. He lift me up like a sail. I feel like a sling Dion song is in the mix for you. Maybe Duncan edit it in there. Please do. He's in the arms of the angel. That's a different to ours. I think I had two really, really low points in my fitness journey. Probably the most pivotal though and beneficial for you as a listener, like Sal was my first

one, which was the first time that I realized I was fat because up into that point, and much of what I speak about on this show is because of this. So you know it's great that you made that point because I think it's so true. On the other side of my darkest times were some of the greatest rewards when I made it through and I don't think that I would be able to speak to the things that I speak to today had I not experienced that so I'm forever grateful for this. But I spent the first almost 30 years of my life in a permanent bulk because I had never been big. It was so hard for me to get over 200 pounds.

I would never wanna lean out. I was super insecure with being called. If somebody told me I look skinny or I lost weight, I mean, I would freak out. It was just, I'd never, ever in my life tried to cut, ever. It was always trying to bulk, always trying to build muscle. And until I was almost 30, I was at 29 when I, when I got into the cannabis industry. And it's so funny how distorted my image of myself was because I remember that I wasn't

working out as consistently because we were just so busy with the clubs. I was working seven days a week long hours, but I was still training. You know, my buddy and I were getting in three times, maybe four lifts, which was way less volume that I was used to. And then I was sitting all day long. I was no longer training eight to ten clients a day. So I was packing the weight on. And this just goes to show how fucked up in the head you are with your own image of yourself. It's crazy. Is I was actually excited,

because I was getting on the scale. Like it's working. And it was going up and up and up. So nobody was calling me skinny. You know what I'm saying? And I was putting what I thought was putting size on, but it was mostly body fat. But I didn't look at myself as fat.

What I'm looking at is like, oh, my shirts are starting to fill out, you know, like I'm in mass. Yeah, mass, I reached over 200 pounds, I'd never seen that before, and a good part of me was really excited about it. And so I just kept going. I just kept allowing myself to pile on the calories and put the weight on, and put the weight on,

and I became less and less consistent with the gym and about over a year of being inconsistent with my lifting and And eating poorly, you know with surplus of calories and not ideal ones I was laying in bed. I'll never forget this moment. I'm Katrina and I were together We we just really started dating. They'd only been together for about a year and I'll never forget this moment. Katrina and I were together. We just really started dating. They'd only been together for about a year. And I roll over on my side, and I go to scratch my side of my rib cage. And when I go to scratch the side of my rib cage,

I can feel my belly. And I never felt a belly. I never had a belly. And I know what that was like. In fact, most of my life, you could see my ribs. I was so lean and skinny. And I felt it and I thought, oh, and at that moment, leading up to that,

I knew that I'd been a little inconsistency in the gym and I was getting kinda soft, but I was still okay with it because I was feeling bigger than I'd ever felt. And I guess I really hadn't taken a picture of myself with my shirt off in front of the mirror and I went and did that. And I looked at the picture and I was like,

holy fuck, like this is what I look like. Like I don't feel like I look like this. And I realized that I had gotten fat. And it was at that moment that, and at that same time too, stuff that I'm leaving out of the story was, I've been doing the cannabis thing for a while. I was kind of overworking in that industry.

I was missing health and fitness. I'd been out of health and fitness now for almost two years. And when I'm working in health and fitness, I'd been still working out, but just not in the industry anymore. And I was fully in this marijuana industry. And I was getting bored and over over it.

And I just wasn't, I wasn't feeling fulfilled. And when I saw where my health was going and how my body felt and the way I looked, I was disgusted and I thought, holy shit, I'm gonna lean out, I'm gonna lose this, I need to lose this. And for the first time in my life, I had to set and put together a plan to lean out.

And that was when I began the process of dropping from 20% body fat down to 7%. And at that same time was when I met Taylor and I was talking to him about building a online social media business and he had built one. And he was the first person that I met that had done the success. And I thought, this will be perfect.

This will be my way back into the fitness space is I'm gonna show people what it's like to go from fact to fit because I had never experienced that before. I was always the skinny kid trying to build. And so never in my life had I had to apply all the knowledge that I had to lean out because everybody that was always a client of mine would look at me and be like, oh, you just don't know what it's like.

You know, you don't know what it's like to be fat and lose weight. It's different. It's different for you than it is for us. And, you know, I couldn't argue that. Like, you're right. I've never tried it. You sure I know the science and I could talk to you all about it, but I never experienced what it's like to feel fat.

What it felt like to grab a pair of dumbbells and it be burning after two sets and be like gasped from going up stairs and feeling like I Felt that for the first time in my life and then felt this okay. It's time for me to lean out and I began to document that that process and Share with people the right way to do that and that was what was the beginning of my Instagram and how I started to build that page. That was probably my one of my lowest times. Now, it wasn't my most darkest lowest time mentally. It was my lowest time physically. It was the worst shape I'd ever been in my entire life. The darkest time I've ever been in my fitness journey was just recently on the podcast. I mean, not even a it's been about a year.

I'm actually coming up on one year almost exactly today. Uh, when I came off of testosterone, so I've been off of testosterone for over a year now. It was my birthday last year when I came off. So I've been off for, uh, uh, 13 months now of, of no synthetic testosterone. And that was already challenging as fuck to go from somebody who was consistently taking it for four years and more than therapeutic doses, like I'm competing. So I was taking higher doses of it and then going to absolutely none of it. Now I tapered down to that mind you leading up to that, but I went cold.

I was cold turkey come my birthday last year, and then I continued on. That was really, really challenging mentally for me. I lost the motivation to want a train. I lost my sex drive. I lost a lot of my confidence. And I was searching for things that I could grab onto that would feel this void that I had. And that was when I started gravitating back to music and snowboarding and basketball. And I last year, and ironically, I just rode last Monday for the first time in two years. I went out, I bought a brand new snowboard

and all kinds of gear. I bought brand new basketball shoes, basketball, all this stuff like that. And it was the second day that I was on the basketball court playing basketball that I tore my Achilles. So to happen, for what happened to me with the testosterone and then to turn around and be fighting and feeling like I was drowning and looking for something that I could latch onto that I knew was healthy and good for my body Activity-wise basketball and snowboarding to passions of mine that I my entire life And then to have that ripped away from me when I tore my Achilles was the most humbling and challenging

place I've ever been at in my life and Luckily, I've been able to share it on this podcast and share it with a gentleman in this room. And so tons of growth has happened. And it definitely has put me in a place where I have for sure let go of any insecurities of how I need to look or want to look. I mean, I at this point in my career now, I think I have come full circle on how I view myself. And now I think of my health as so important, man. When you lose your, when you're in your mid-30s and you lose your sex drive and you lose the drive to just go to the gym and want to get up and do things like that, I don't give a fuck about

how I looked. I just wanted to be, I just wanted to be me again, like that. Just being healthy again became such a priority for me. And so much of the things that we do talk about on this show, when we talk about sleep and meditation and rest and getting days for yourself. And I mean, that has become such a staple theme for yourself. And I mean, that has become such a staple theme in my life this last year because it has taken such a high priority over looking like a cover model or being the super strong guy in the gym. And it was probably one of the best, both these things were two of the best things that could have ever happened to me because of the knowledge that it's given me, the humility that it's given me, the humility that it's given me, the experience, and talk about one of the greatest reflections for myself and really

peering into what does drive me to go to the gym and work out. You have funny hell life. It'll try to teach you a lesson. You'll try and circumvent that lesson, and then it'll fucking hit you even harder. You know what I mean? Like, no, you're're gonna learn this lesson now. And if you don't look it that way, then all it is is just a shitty time.

You know, if you don't view it like a lesson, learn and growth, then it's just a terrible time and life sucks and- It's probably gonna repeat itself. And it'll repeat, you know. Well, this is where spiritual practices, I think, have, you know, and whatever your beliefs are, whether you believe that's the universe talking to you,

whether you think that's karma, or that you think how I come from the world. But it's for a reason. Yeah, I believe it's for a reason. I believe that, you know, whoever God is, or whatever was speaking to me at that time, and there was a lesson for me within it. And it's, and, you know, somebody that's listening

and potentially rolling their eyes, you can roll your eyes all you want about it. But I mean, for me, that it's, and you know, somebody that's listening and potentially rolling their eyes, you can roll your eyes all you want about it, but I mean, for me, that it's necessary to look at those situations like that. Otherwise, it's extremely difficult to make it through something like that, because then what we end up doing is going, why me?

Why is this happening to me? Why am I getting fucked over the situation versus the way I was forced, and the way I was raised to look at it is like, okay, what is being taught to me right here? What am I, what am I supposed to learn about myself in this situation? And that was the humbling experience. That was the growth that come from it. It is crazy how distorted your own self image can be.

Just how distorted it really can be. I mean, you know, I thought I was so skinny and so like, like you Adam, someone said the word skinny to me, it was like the worst insult in the world, it would hurt me at my core. And you know, I was a sophomore who had lifted weights since he was 14. I was about 175 pounds. That's not a fucking skinny kid. That's not bad at all for a sophomore kid.

You know, I could deadlift over 400 pounds, but I was so afraid, so distorted. When I would train clients who had issues with anorexia, bulimia, or other types of eating disorders, or just distorted images of themselves, I was always really effective with them because I could completely relate. When they come to me and be like,

oh no, no, I still feel fat and I still feel, I'd be like, I know exactly what you're going through. And trust me, your vision of yourself is so distorted, you cannot trust it. You simply can't trust it. And most of us experience this in some form, you know, throughout our lives. Like how many people do you know where they'd say, oh my gosh, I wish I looked the way I did when I used to think I was fat when I was in my 20s? You know how many people do you know where they say, oh my gosh, I wish I looked the way I did

when I used to think I was fat when I was in my 20s. You know how many people think they're so fat in their 20s, then they get in the 50s, 50s, 60s. Oh my God, I would do anything to look like I used to look in my 20s. It's really crazy how we view ourselves and how that drives us to do things to ourselves that are bad for us, bad for our quality of life, bad for our physical health, bad for our relationships, and we refuse to look at it until the fucking wall hits you. If my, I'm firmly believe, if my health did not, if that didn't happen to me with my health at 30, you'd be listening to a completely different version of myself on this podcast. I would not be saying things like exercise because you love your body, not because you hate your body.

I'd be saying things like, get your ass in the gym and work out, and just fucking balls the wall, and like all those other idiots on social media who are, you know, presenting a message and not realizing that they're what the message they're presenting is based on their own insecurities, and it's praying on the insecurities of others,

and it's not benefiting anyone else. But you definitely have to look at these low points in your life. I mean, never let them go to waste. You know, that's really what it is. Growth opportunity. Yeah, if you fail at something and you leave it at that, what a waste.

Yeah. What a waste of an opportunity. But if you come at us something like that and you say, what can I change about me after I learn? I mean, my divorce is a great example. Like I come out of, you know, easy it is, by the way, when you go through a divorce, it's so easy to sit there and look at the other person. I'm like, oh, it's because they are this, they are that, they're like at one point, I stopped that and I said, what did I do? What did I do? What can I change about me? Because I can't change anybody else.

And that really changes who you are for the positive. So I've always looked at it as a way that it exposes something about yourself that you can bring to the surface and discard of or put right back down. It's like you have those two options. Yeah, I think again, if you, it all goes down to this. If you really take care of yourself like someone you care about,

because how do you take care of someone you care about? Well, you do it with compassion, empathy, love, but also firm discipline. It's all of those things. It's not just one of those things. You know, I take care of my kids like I love them because I do, and that means that, you know, if my kids come up to me and say,

hey, can I have cookies every day? I'm gonna say no, but every once in a while I'll say, okay, but most of the time there's a little bit of firm discipline. That also means I'm gonna be empathetic. That also means that sometimes I'm gonna be a little hard. That's how you need to be with yourself. I think when we, most of us treat ourselves, not like someone we care about,

but someone we have to stay in for, somebody that we resent, somebody that we dislike, we wish we were someone else. And when you when you exercise with that kind of motivation, or you eat with that kind of motivation, dangerous place. It's a bad place to be. It's not a good place to be distorts the way you view yourself. And then because you view yourself a particular way, good luck trying to create substantial relationships with other people, because you just

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