Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 921: The Gym Schedule That Maximizes Results, When to Change Up a Staple Exercise, How to Incorporate Cardio into a Strength Training Plan & MORE

Episode Date: December 12, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes & Facebook Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about with unlimited amounts of time to spend in the gym how to train for maximum results, how often a specific exercise should change, good ways to incorporate cardio into a strength training plan that will not interfere with the strength adaptation and potential Mind pump plans to add a female voice to the podcast team. “Old guy trying to be cool…” Adam explains the tag on his shoes + the evolution of his collecting habit. (5:11) What percentage of bodybuilders are gay? The subculture and urban legends of the bodybuilding world. (20:00) Sal, Justin, and families see The Nutcracker + creating family traditions. (23:08) The progression of the YouTube page + butting heads with the young lion. (34:35) Following Up: The guys take new Everly Well tests to check current Omega/B Vitamin levels + the importance of becoming aware of your body & testing. (40:02) Organifi + Vitamin Angels: Eliminating Malnutrition in Children. (45:16) Scientists Are Working on a Pill That Lets You Eat Anything and Avoid Weight Gain. (51:41) #Quah question #1 – If you had unlimited amounts of time to spend in the gym how would you train for maximum results? (57:35) #Quah question #2 - How often should a specific exercise change? (1:08:07) #Quah question #3 – What are good ways to incorporate cardio into a strength training plan that will not interfere with the strength adaptation? (1:18:34) #Quah question #4 – Do you have any plans to add a female voice to the podcast team? (1:25:55) People Mentioned: Coach Daniel Matranga |CSCS (@dynamic.danny)  Instagram Products Mentioned: December Promotion: Enroll in Any MAPS Program – 1 Year of Forum Access for FREE! Everly Well  **Code “MINDPUMP” for 15% off ANY test** Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Leave a 5 Star Facebook or iTunes Review and Enter to Win a Free T-Shirt! Crank Yankers - Series | Comedy Central Official Site OFF-WHITE Zip Ties Explained: 4 Reasons Why - Highsnobiety StockX: Buy and Sell Sneakers, Streetwear, Handbags, Watches Pumping Iron | Netflix Mind Pump Episode 885: Shawn Ray The San Jose Nutcracker Stollen Recipe | Food Network Red Dot Fitness The Weston A. Price Foundation: Home Eliminating Malnutrition in Children | Vitamin Angels Charity Charity Navigator - Your Guide To Intelligent Giving | Home Scientists Are Working on a Pill That Lets You Eat Anything and Avoid Weight Gain Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, ob-mite, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey, in this episode of Mind Pump! Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! Well, for the first 50 minutes, we don't talk too much about fitness. We do our introductory fun time conversation. My favorite, too. Like that, the fun time?

Yes, fun time. We talk about Adam's shoe tag on his shoe and why that is something he doesn't want to take off. Apparently, apparently it's not a security thing. It's part of the valley style thing. Of his $800 shoes. Then Justin and I talk about our adventure at the Nutcracker. No, it's not a wrestling move. We actually went and saw the ballet show

with a ballbreaker. Family, see kids. Then Adam talks about how he butted heads with our YouTube champion. I don't know to call. There was a little bit of a debate going on. Shout out to my boy. Yeah, good kid. Very good. Then we talked about Everly Wells, Omega 3 and B Vitamins test. So we all took more tests from Everly Wells. Adam and I did the vitamin B test. Let's see who has the best vitamin B levels. Doug and Justin did the Omega 3 tests. Who's got the better Omega 3 fatty acids? We know the answer to that.

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Then we get to the fitness questions. The first question was, if we all had a limited amounts of time to spend in the gym, how would we train for maximum results? I think all of us agree that training more than once a day would probably be a part of that, but we go into some of our philosophies and theories on how to maximize results if we have all the time in the world. The next question is, how often should you change your exercise selection? In other words, how often should I switch from sumo deadlifts to deadlifts or from barbell

squats to lunges? Is there a particular period of time that's going to benefit the me the most? And is it the same for all exercises? Find out in that part of this episode. The next question is, if I'm just interested in building strength and muscle, can cardio benefit me at all? I think sometimes people get the impression that we're anti-cardio at all costs, you know sweat.

That is not true. Cardio does have a lot of health benefits and can contribute to your strength and muscle gains, just gotta do it right. And the final question, this person wants to know if we're ever gonna add a female voice to the podcast team, apparently Justin's justina voice. Yeah.

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Do you guys remember that show on TV with the puppets? And the crank anchors. The puppets. Crank anchors. And there was that one guy that was, oh my God, barely. Remember that shit? Yeah.

And then there was that one that he would crank, call people and act like he was like special needs or whatever. Yes That would never make it on No, they can't do that anymore that right they would shut that shit down. Yeah, even if it's a puppet Yeah, you can't do that just I want you to sing that song that you're Be cool. Yeah He's wearing shoes at our stylish now. Yeah.

Probably not in a few minutes later. But he's cool. Yeah. And that's what matters today. Well, who you talking about, dude? It's just a song. I don't know, it's a very sad song. I might just road on the slide.

Bro, we pull up as a parking lot, right? Together. And Adam comes out. And he steps out first with his with his right foot And I'm like, oh shit, those are cool shoes. Yeah left foot comes out and he forgot to take off the fucking security tag Or whatever that thing or it's not that you take it off and is gonna like spray ink on you. Yeah, it's not that though It's a tag. I'm like, did you Forget and I'm like, wait a minute. It's very visible. It's like a small thing. It's a big orange plastic thing on a shoe, which I feel would be uncomfortable

walking around. Explain yourself. Why aren't you taking that off? It's, you don't want to take it off. You made a comment that you were going to come snippet and then what I'd be mad. And I said, absolutely. I would be fucking mad.

It's just, it's the signature that you know that it's a, it's a pair of off-white shoes and off-white is a tell by looking at them. You know, you might not know, you may not, because this, so these are prestoves, right? So that's the style, the Nike style are prestoves. And then what Nike has done is they've collaborated with designers, right? So there's a love that word presto. Yeah, well, so you know, so they collaborate and this is this has kind of been the in the in the shoe world. It's been a it's been popular the last I don't know and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but like the last Probably six to ten years somewhere in that range where these collabs have got really big where you you collapse

It's very similar to what we talked about a long time ago, how Ed Hardy blew up when they were doing tattoos and they're using tattoos to print on shirts, and it was an artist who created a tattoo and then he gets print on the shirt and that was the reason why it was so huge. Yeah, but that tag can't possibly be a part of the style. That tag is because...

No, no, no, the tag is part of the style The tag is that's what that's what they the designer put the tag on yes That's how you know Virgil has got his hands on it like that He's redesign this shoe and so that tags signifies Like you could put his name on it or something instead well That's a that's his way of putting his name on it so that so you think of how our certain painters and certain artists do things To their art that that lets you think of how our certain painters and certain artists do things to their art that that lets you know that that's a you know, Thomas can cade you guys know

anything about the art can cade. Yeah, you do does all those portraits that on the light you can see the light. There you go. So his signature and his paintings is the way he paints. It looks like the light. The light. Yeah, the house lights are turned on. So if I cut that off the plastic tag or whatever loses its value Yeah, I would kill you no, but lose it because it loses its value. Yeah, yeah, so I would so right now I could resell these shoes. There's a market for yeah, but you warm or does it matter? There's a still it's like there's a stock market for shoes There's a market for that guy to just so you go to so you're wearing them doesn't take the value down sure

It doesn't look just oh absolutely. I mean if I mean, if I wanted to buy these shoes as an investment, I like, I love, I'm a sneaker head. So I like to wear my sneakers. It's like a shoe whore. Sure. Better work. So you, if I, if I carried just about trying to make money off the shoes, then I would want to buy low and sell high. I would find a shoe like this shoe. I would, you go to like stock X, okay, you can download the app and you can look up any major shoe that's out there that's worth anything. And then I can watch it like a stock, I can see where it's at. And so I do this and I pay attention to a shoe that I really like like this shoe, the reason why I have it now is I've been watching it, I watched it dip down a little bit, now

it's lower than it's been for a while. I buy it. And now I could potentially wear this shoe for six months to a year, maybe longer. And it could go up so high that it worn, I can get more money for it than it was brand new. Or I can buy this shoe, keep it in the box, keep it not even opened up, keep all the tags, everything on it, and not even touch them and resell them later for more money.

Now did you buy those brand new? Yes. You did. Yeah, yeah. Is it okay if I ask how much they cost or what they're worth? Yeah, they're, 800 dollars. Yeah. You pay 800 dollars on tenishies.

It's crazy because, I mean, this obsession, like, were you really into a baseball cards when you're a kid too? Big time in a big bowl? I mean, it just seems like a progression to you're a kid too? Because it's time and time. I mean, it just seems like a progression to that. It's totally, exactly what it is. That's a great analogy. And I was a big baseball collector when I was a kid. And I was in a stinker, but I couldn't afford a stinker.

So when I was a kid, I was lucky if my grandmother bought me the pair of Jordans. You know, I think the very first Jordans, I think I had were the sevens. And when I bought those, man, I clean them every day after I wore them and only wore them on special days. And then I had my cheap shoes that my parents bought me that I wore all year round.

And so I loved sneakers, but I could never afford to collect them when I was a kid. Now I collected baseball cards, it was $0.25 for a pack of baseball cards when I kid, so I could collect those and was into trading those and saving that stuff. I remember a kid in school, this is a true story, sixth grade or seventh grade, maybe seventh grade.

He had a brand new pair of Jordans, and another kid stepped on his shoes and they got in a fight. Oh yeah, I remember that. That's a no no. Yeah, yeah. I even do. That's a no no. Yeah, yeah. I even need that over it. Shoes weren't like this though.

So when I was collecting baseball cards, I love shoes, but there wasn't like a market for it. This is new. Like this is new since, and Jordan was really the one that was the one that created this market where shoes would sell out. It would go away, and then that was it. So there was this frenzy around getting that parachute

when it released. And Jordan's created such a frenzy that people then were going and waiting in line, buying them, then turning around and reselling them for double the price like that week for them. So is that tag on the side of your shoe, the big orange one, is that distinctive of that shoe, or is it distinctive of other,

other dirty shoes by the way? That goes over there. Doug loves your description. Well, I'm trying to paint the picture because it is very... It's not bulbous. Well, I'm not trying to, I'm not making fun. I find it fascinating, be quite honest.

And the reason why I'm explaining it that way, for the audience, it's not a tag that's like, a fabric tag that's attached to your shoe. It's literally a big plastic zip tie. Yeah, it's like a fire engine, no tag. Yeah, and it's like a zip tie looking thing. Yeah, yeah. Around your shoe. Yeah, you know, like on a fire of extreme insure, that's what I'm in that fire engine. Fire extinguisher tag. The tag that you would rip off a fire extinguisher. Yes, that's what it is. Is it distinctive to that one shoe or is that a Nike thing for other shoes? It's distinctive to the artist.

Got it. Well, that makes sense. So, any shoe that he has collabed with Nike and does it because he does other clavs besides Nike. So, there's a couple other brands that he's done things with. If he's done something with a collab with that shoe, that tag will be on there. It's normally like, we see that makes more sense now

because when I saw it, I'm like, is this the same thing as leaving the sticker on your hat or? No, that's, that's, and I wouldn't do that. So I'm saying. Yeah, that's a trend. Can I see turn your shoe? That's a trend that kids do.

Now this, this, what, like you brought, you gave the analogy of like, you know, this is the artist. So that would be like you taking something that an artist signed and you scratching his name off. Now it makes sense. Right. So when you made the comment about cutting the te-

yeah, I would punch you in your face. Because then you would take my shoe that was worth that much money and you would instantly devalue it significantly by doing that. In fact, I don't know. Because now that I'm looking closely, I can see on that, do you like write his name on that?

Is that what that is? What, you mean on the actual tag? Yeah. It says, well, it's not his name. It says off white, CEO, collab. Now, is it, because I know it's on your lace, that means it can come off. Oh, yeah, I could take it off.

So what is, do some, okay. All right, and is that where it's supposed to go? Now, so can you put any part of the shoe? Now, so do people do them. You know, it's, this is where it came on the shoe. I just leave it. I just leave it where it's at and then where, and where the shoe. Now, some people doing. You know, this is where it came on the shoe. I just leave it. I just leave it where it's at and then where and where the shoe.

And you know, I've thought about like just unlacing it, taking it off, saving it. Saving it. And maybe there comes a time where it's not installed to keep it or to have it on your shoe or what. So this is how the kids are wearing them. No, it's, I think it's less of a kids thing because there's not a lot of kids that probably,

unless you're fucking a rich kid. Well, I mean, kids for me is, anybody younger than me is a kid. Is he driving outy? Well, yeah, I mean, I think Justin did it, said it perfectly. It's really just an evolution of somebody who's really into collecting things.

And then you also are a sneaker person, right? I, it's like grown up baseball cards. You know, I'm not gonna go collect baseball cards. I could still collect baseball cards, but I don't follow the sport enough in it, but I follow sneakers. Well, at least there's value in it now too. There's like a market for us, interesting.

Well, and that is the part that makes me justify it, right? Like if it was, I probably wouldn't have this crazy shoe collection if all of them, once I opened the box and put them on, all of a sudden were worth, you know, I wouldn't go buy $800 shoes if they were worth nothing after I wore them, but it's crazy how they become so sought after that you can wear a pair of these sneakers, take good care of them, and somebody that is looking

for that pair for five years. Is there anything similar for women in terms of shoes or dresses? Oh, absolutely. I get Christian Louis Vuitton's for Katrina that are very rare. So, like, oh, again, they'll have a design or something, like one of my favorite pairs that I bought her as, where this pair called winner trash.

And it's very nice. Yeah, right. And the look to them, the favorite look. The design of them has like the looks like there's all these pieces of trash. And it sounds really terrible. They look great and have all these great colors and so you can wear them with a lot of outfits and dresses.

But that shoe only so many of them were made, right? And it's rare and it was different and it's so unique and different. And if it ends up being a style that looks, and that's how all this stuff were made, right? And it's rare and it was so unique and different. And if it ends up being a style that looks, and that's how all this stuff works too, right? Just because this guy, Nigel designs a shoe, doesn't necessarily mean that it's gonna be worth tons of money, like he has shoes that are only worth like 250,

but then he has some pairs that are worth 5,000. And the market determines all that. Exactly. Of course, the market determines all that. Exactly. Of course, the market always is. Exactly. So when a badass style, why don't know if he comes out with like, oh, these are 5,000, you know, like he's determining the price point. No, the market does.

The market completely, like so there's a pair I really want. So I have the white and the black presto's. Then there's the. Those are called the off whites. Yes. Yeah, I learned that from just overhearing you guys talk. Yeah. So the ones I really like, I just, I really like, I won't pay $1,500 from, but those ones I want, but that just shows you,

because everyone really wants those there, bad ass. Have you made any money off your shoes? No, see, that's just it. It's just like I never made any money off of my baseball cards. So you've got tens of thousands of dollars worth of shoes? I don't know, I've never had it. That's a good question. I think tens of thousands of dollars worth of shoes. I don't know. I've never had that's a good question. I think tens of thousands probably maybe maybe 10,000, maybe somewhere around. I don't know. That's a fucking good question.

I did just talk to Katrina though. I mean, if and when the time comes that, you know, we get pregnant and have a kid, that room, I have a whole room dedicated to shoes. So I'm not, I'm not so tied to them that if I had a child in my life, I would not get rid of them. So I would pass them on if they're worth money. Well, possibly. So what I would do is I would pick my top 30 to 50

that are the most valuable and that I wear the most. So I would pick the, because I got a lot of them that are, I mean, I have shoes that are worth $3,500 that I wear, I think I can count on one hand. I mean, like, they're special shoes I wear when I go to fucking Vegas on a one-off trip and wear those like, those aren't doing it with me a lot of good. They're valued at $3,500. Like, I could probably get 1,500 quick form used and put that money in my pocket and I wouldn't miss them that much.

But then there's other pairs I really like or really rare. So when you're wearing a pair of shoes like this, most people I would assume have no idea what they are, right? But I'm sure you run into people who are like you, do they come up to you and like, oh, you got them. Always, I never wear a pair of these shoes and not get a comment in the day. Really? Oh yeah, it's just like driving a classic car. You got the always I never wear a pair of these shoes and not get a comment in the day really oh, yeah It's just like driving a a classic car like clearly yeah

I experienced that all the time and then my fucking truck died right and there's there's you know when you drive something like that You could pull up next someone who knows nothing about vehicles and they just think it's a truck Yeah, but then you pull up to a guy who loves classic cars. Yeah, that knows the year. No appreciates the little detail that you've done to it and go and we'll follow you to a gas station to tell you I get that. Like, if I'm at a restaurant, I was just happened. I was wearing my airmax 97s and I'm at the restaurant and you know, we have a waiter that's serving us, but a waiter all the way across comes all the way over to comment about my shoes.

Oh, bro, those are dope shoes. So guys comment to go on each other shoes. Oh, I really, no. Yeah, I mean, every once in a while, I get girls that are like, oh, I like your shoes. Let's say something like that, but it's normally other guys. It's just like fucking working out in a bodybuilder.

You get more compliments from a guy on your shoes. That's true. I don't break cash. Yeah, when I was jacked in the gym and wearing walk around and no girls are coming to you. Yeah, no girls are coming up. Like, oh my god, it's guys. Guys, guys, come over.

It's like poking at your biceps. Dude, come over. Hey, man, nice physique. Yeah. Bro, your triceps are looking great. Yeah, yeah, after it. Yeah, yeah. It reminds me of that scene.

And they slap your butt. There's one way. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He waits too far. Too far. There's one way. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Too far. Too far. There's one scene in pumping iron that's a little uncomfortable. I don't know if you remember it,

but he's working out real hard. He's doing a squat session or whatever. Then they go in the shower, and they're in the shower, and they're obviously naked, and they're like, and the Arnold's like flexing like this, and he's like,

showing his bicep to Franco and they're all talking about like, and I remember as a kid, I was like, that's a fuck. What are, that the fuck's going on. What are you doing? What's going on? Yeah, how did this two minutes of this?

Seen, it is, well, I mean, what is the stat on that? You do, you know what it is? It's really the amount of bodybuilders that are gay, there's a high number of this. Is it really? Yeah, you should Google it does. Yeah, look it up. I know it's a much higher staff than I ever thought.

And what I always wonder is how many of them were gay before they got into this sport and how many of them became gay and because you just just, you turn into this person who is so much into the body and you begin to worship you the same sex. I feel like you just love yourself so much. And you're like, oh, that kind of looks like me.

Yeah. I don't think. Come here, get over here. I don't think it's a higher percentage. I think it's a perception of a higher percentage. I don't think it's true. I think it's one of those like, no, it's high. You think so?

Oh yeah, no, it's like the 40% tile. Like 40% of men are not gay. It's like, it's, it's, where did you get the statistic? Yeah, I'm asking Doug to Google right now. That's what we have done. What percentage of bodybuilders are gay? Yeah. Google that, Doug. Yeah? Yeah, I'm asking Doug to Google right now. So we have Doug. What percentage of bodybuilders are gay? Yeah. Google that, Doug.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's a- I'm totally throwing random numbers at you. I feel like it's a stereotype because, you know, when you're a kid and you have pictures of men in posing on your walls, parents are like, oh, I think that-

No, didn't we talk to Sean Ray about this? Wasn't this something we talked about? I think a lot of sexual deviancy happens in the body building world, but I think that's true of anything where you have a lot of drug use. I think that you start to see people kind of devil. I think what happens is you become very open with your body

and comfortable with your sexuality. Yeah, I use the wrong word, you're right. Yeah, and that's what I think that's what happens. And then there's probably people that are in the spectrum, right, because we talk about this. I don't think there's anybody that's, I mean, I don't think there's straight people, gay people. I think there's straight people, gay people,

and I think there's everything in the spectrum. In between. And I think what happens when you're in the body building thing and you're into bodies and you're posing and underwear and you get an airbrush with your body. Yeah, you just get become very comfortable with your sexuality and looking at other men naked and then it doesn't, it's no longer taboo to do that. And then also you go, well, maybe I'm into that, you know, maybe I'm more into that

than I realize. And so I think there's a higher percentage than you think. But you use a little more bronzer. Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a whole, what there's a whole What's the word? subculture in that bodybuilding world where the guys will flex and pose and oil up for other wealthy gay men Okay, now this is what I've heard and I know that I don't know if a lot of it's like urban legends or whatever But yeah, as far as lots of the You know the judges are like people hosting these competitions

had alter your motives in terms of like getting, you know, some of the competitors to do things. Well, I know there's, like I said, there's, there's men that will flex and oil who don't consider themselves muscle worship. And they'll do, yeah, they'll do that kind of stuff. But there's also weird stuff on the, on the female side where these really muscular women will get paid to like Pain crushed stuff. Yeah, or no like pin men or like Wrestle them or put them over their shoulder and carrying around the house and shit like that. Yeah Super beta I'm gonna float your mouth. It's hey, that's the same here as long as nobody gets

We uh this weekend, this weekend, we went to Jessica, I and the kids and met up with Justin and, and, and Courtney and the kids and we went and watched. I was just in Nutcracker. The Nutcracker. Yeah, that's right. Ballbreaker.

I wonder what it was. How was it? Well, parking was insane. It drove me crazy. Just thing got in an hour after the show started. I saw how it's the entire performance. That's how bad the parking was. I forgot, like, it's Christmas time.

And so I thought San Francisco would've been the city, dude. Dude, the city's terrible. Why I hate going to the city, you just can't. I just can't. No, San Jose, can't eat. It's just San Jose. Downtown San Jose. Oh, it was this San Jose? Downtown San Jose.

Downtown San Jose. Oh, it was downtown San Jose. Everything because there's also like an event. I think there's, you can go like ice skate and there's like a little, you're just an ass hold. This is our town. You should know better. Listen.

I don't ever go downtown. This isn't my town. I guess you're right. You're Santa Cruz guy. I'm not the San Jose guy. Sal obviously. Yeah. What did you guys do?

Did you guys Uber enter something? No, I drove and I found, it took me 25 minutes to find parking. I finally get in. And then I text this guy after the first part of the show is over whatever your mission. I'm like, hey, what did you think of the show? He's like, I just got in. It was an hour later.

Dude, I ended up driving because I went to five different parking garages and they kept moving me along and they just closed one down. I was like, oh, I was getting so pissed. And I was like, waiting in the last one and just doing the move where you wait there to see if people will come back to their car and then try and like dart into their spot.

And I tried that with two of them unsuccessfully. And then it was just like, you know what, like I'm not even gonna get like all crazy and heated about this. I'm just gonna go back to the studio, which was like 10, 50 minutes, you know what, I'm not even gonna get all crazy and heated about this. I'm just gonna go back to the studio, which was like 10, 50 minutes from there, get a Uber, and then drop me off in front of the center, and I was just like, this is so crazy.

Did you, Courtney and the kids have to Uber back here then? After it, yeah, we did. Oh shit. Probably illegally, because my youngest, but we won't talk about that. Yeah. You know what? It's cool though.

So it's the San Jose Center of Performing Arts. So they put it on every year or whatever. Yeah. And I love watching performances. Not that I would watch it all the time because I'm not like a fan. Not much of a ballet guy, but I appreciate the art of it. Yes, yes, yes. Like I can sit there and I'll study the bodies and how they move.

And man, these ballet dancers, the way that they utilize their feet is so fucking fascinating. The strength they must have in their feet, come up on the tips of their toes and bounce around and then pop up and down left, I was like, man, that would destroy me. It's a lot like to, even with gymnastics, and just how they can control their body

But you know how difficult it is, but then they just do it so gracefully But then they don't look like they're struggling like they do all that at once and they're like smiling through it And then you're like dude, I know I know that was challenging for you Don't don't most of them end up like destroying their feet from that. You're all oh, they get all kinds of Belay a ballet dancer's foot? Yeah, fucked up, right? Oh, the toes, because of the training involved, it's brutal. Absolutely brutal. But I can't think of, because we always talk about foot strength and stuff,

they must have the strongest muscles of their feet of all time. You think so, yeah. That's what I would think. And then there were some men in there that were doing it with the rest of the people performing. And they lift the women up in the air. And these aren't massive women. I mean, they're small women. But still, they're doing it and they're moving

and dancing, maintaining incredible stability. And they're not super muscular dudes. It's just such a very specific form of strength. It's very impressive. What are the kids, how they receive it? Were they into it and a boring? Like what did you, what did the kids say? Yeah, they talk about they into it and a boring? Like what did you, what did the kids say? Yeah, they're talking, what about your boys?

Yeah, yeah, you got two gun shooting fucking, exactly, three climbing boys. How is that for them? They managed. They were glad they were in our life. Well, the second half when I got there basically, like they were, they were a little like squirming and then like my youngest, he brought a watch ahead of time just because

inevitably he knew he was gonna get bored and it has like lights on it and stuff and so I was watching him throughout the Performance and then inevitably you see him like looking on his watch and he's like messing with the lights and like he was like super bored But my oldest was getting stuff out. Yeah, bro. You're oldest cracks me up because he has that tuxedo that he wears I know He loves the dress up. He's my guy for that. He goes all in. He's like, he wanted the tuxedo. I'm laughing because it doesn't even matter if it's the Thanksgiving dinner thing.

If whatever we're doing where there's a group of people, he's like, I'm putting up my tux. That's awesome. I'm like, all right. Does he really into dressing up nice? Yeah. That's his thing. Right now. I kind of remembered being like that's his thing, like right now.

And I kind of remembered being like that when I was a kid, you know, for a brief moment, I was like, you know, if I had to go to church or something, I was like, weren't it little suit and tie and stuff. Yeah, because I just wanted to be like the guy. Yeah, no, my kids were fine. My daughter was tired because she had a sleep over the night before at a friend's house.

And they don't sleep. When you have a sleep over with nine year old girls, they literally don't sleep, so she was totally exhausted. But they otherwise enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. I really like watching, like I said, I like watching live performances, because I study them and I break them down.

And then I start to, I mean, as an adult, as a kid, I hated it. I get sick there and get bored out of my mind. But as an adult, I start to think of all the moving pieces, like the stage changed several times. Yeah. And I'm looking at how they, they're able to move the stage and change it.

And it's brilliant in the way they design it. So that's what really fascinates me. So. So out of everybody that went, including the adults, adults and kids, who probably loved it the most and who probably liked it the least. Mm.

Jessica probably liked it the most. I'm for us, she's so into art and stuff like that, just having traveled with the circus. She loves watching performances. Yeah, this seems like this would be a paralle. She loves it, she absolutely loves it. She's just super glued to the thing the whole time. I'm cool with it, I don't know, my daughter was tired so she was kind of out of it. My son probably doesn't like it. She's just super glued to the thing the whole time. I'm cool with it. I don't know. My daughter was tired, so she was kind of out of it. My son probably doesn't like it. Or maybe

he likes it now, because now he's into girls. Well, I don't know. Maybe. I remember watching, I remember watching. We had friends who were ballet dancers when I was a kid and we would have to go. And right around 13, 14, I started to like, like, like, I like I like going. Angleys. Yeah, look at her. Yeah, look at that body. Yeah, yeah. What about this quarter? Yeah, she likes. Yeah, I think she'd probably be the one that enjoyed it the most.

And then maybe my oldest and then probably me. And then probably, yeah, my young. He was just not feeling. He's very much of a rough and tumble, you know, like, just smash it up, you know, shoot things kind of kids. Yeah, and the fight scenes in the Nutcracker, I think they could have made a more fighting.

Yeah, this was more, yeah, more fighting in the fight. Less dancing. Is that going in the library? Yeah, they do a lot of things where they're like, like, oh, I killed them, but they project, like, their fingers out there and they're like, yeah, let's like, like, little magic moves, you know, with their hands. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. Would you go again? Or dramatic? Would you go again? Maybe next year. Yeah. I'm good. Maybe next.

You guys are the ones that invited us. I know. This is all Courtney's, you know, contributions. She was the one that thought it would be a good, and I agreed. I thought it was a great idea. I should try it. Do you like this kind of stuff, Adam? I'm open to it. Like we, so I had a girlfriend that was really

into the play scene. And so I went to more plays with her that I've ever been in my entire life. And she got me to like them. Like she's, you know what she explained to me before. She's like, it's no different than like a movie If you just you got to go to the ones that you would enjoy like if you like humor and comedy and Sat in or you like suspense or you like like whatever storyline you tend to gravitate towards like with movies

There's plays that will that will you know mirror that right? So if you just get introduced to some play that everyone says is great But it's great because of the art you know artistic side of it Well, maybe you're not somebody that like cares about that side of like movies and you want something that's more action or more whatever So she goes you know understanding and learning What plays are are like what will really change your experience and so I had a really good experience She she kind of she, she knew me. And so she took me to a few of these different plays

that I actually really enjoyed. I thought, oh wow, these were way different than, you know, like there was one that was like, super, tons of profanity and nudity and shit talking. And I was like, whoa, I wasn't ready for something like that in a play. I just had something totally different that I had envisioned.

And so I had a great experience. So yeah, Katrina and Katrina was just in New York and she went out and she saw a play. So there's a few of them that, like I've heard Wizard of Oz is really good or Oz, I think is what it is, is supposed to be really good. I'm wicked, I hear is really good. I hear is really good, which is good.

Those are all ones that are on my list that I'd like to see. But you know what I don't like is the experience, what you guys just said, lots of people trying to funnel into a room and parking and all that. It was gnarly. Yeah, I think if I were to do it, I'd probably do it somewhere in New York

and go stay downtown and then walk to it. Or go do that, if you're gonna have it, do it. To be fair, I may have had a different experience if I was so frustrated and pissed off. It's like I came back and I'm just like, oh my God, that was a nightmare. You're like me, that would affect the whole experience. I would have driven home.

Right, I thought about it, but I was like, I'll just keep driving around until it's done. Yeah, so to me, that, like if I had a terrible experience getting there, and then it doesn't wow me to death, I'm probably like, eh, about it. But if, you know, like, I think it isn't wow me to death. I'm probably like about it But if you know we like I think if Katrina and I were to go do some of that we would make a a night and a weekend out of it We're like okay, let's go flying or let's go stay at a place that is literally Next to the event that we can walk to it later on maybe have dinner before and make a whole night

I think it's fun like we're I think the reason behind it We're trying to find new ways to kind of create our own family sort of rituals and especially with the holidays and stuff. And so like one other thing was Courtney made a stolen. So it's like a what it was stolen. Yeah, it's a German bread. So it's like a oh wow. It has, yeah, it has like nuts and raisin, but it's like very, it's very, uh, not like super sweet, but it's, I don't know, it's a traditional bread. Oh, there it is right there. It was actually really good. Now, would you, would you put butter on that? Would you put butter on it? Oh, yeah, I put a shit on it. Did you bring Adam and I, some stolen? I could. Actually, we have a whole loaf that we're kind of waiting,

but there's, we grew up with Patita, which was another traditional bread. I think it's from Denmark, but my grandma used to make that. And so anyway, so we're just kind of going through this process of like trying to establish our own thing, you know, with our family. And so I think that next year,

I think I'm gonna try and pull one of my own ideas out there and throw and see if it sticks. Yeah, we do, we drive around and look at Christmas lights. That's one of the things that we do in the kit. Well, listen to Christmas music. Kids will have hot cocoa in the car. Yep. And we'll just drive around looking at lights.

And it's fun. You know what I mean? It's a fun thing for the kids. Yeah, it's good. And it's like, it's cool when you get into it and, you know, it's not like the last week right before Christmas, it's like you're kind of leading up into it.

So Adam, you did a bunch of filming, right? Oh yeah, yeah, with Danny over at the Red Dot. Man, I love that chimp. Is it a great place? It's a great looking gym. I really, I really, really like Scott and C.C. too. They're just, they're great people. I think they're running, they have got a great environment over there. I think the, the facility is beautiful. I think they have very high quality trainers. They're, most of them are all big fans of the show.

And so they just, they, they, they took us in open arms, allowed us to use their facility on Sunday. and that was awesome I'm excited to see the footage that comes out of that because one I'm I'm really happy with The work that Danny is doing right now on the YouTube. I think the kid was just was born for this Although we did get in a little bit of a I saw that you guys get you guys got a little debate little shit You know saying so we have this thing young lion trying to hold lion with time. little debate little shit. You know what I'm saying? So we have this thing right young lion trying to tell a line what time is. Yeah, see what and you know what? Like and he's smart as a whip. You know, so it's not like you know, he's a dumb kid who's who's just spouting off a bunch of

bullshit. He's he's very educated. Kids got his kineses degrees. Got CSCS. He got 30 national certifications. Brilliant. Kid. that's why we have them on the team, right? But we had just written, you know, or you just wrote Sal, this starter kit that we're doing for hard gainers. It's a free thing that we're putting out there, and it's just to help that skinny guy who's been struggling to put size on

and what exercises should they be doing. And so we went through each muscle group and said, these are staple moves that you've got to have. And if you're a hard gainer, this single exercise, this is the single best exercise that you could do for that muscle group. And one of the ones, obviously for back, we all agree is deadlift.

And I'm in there, and I kind of stay out. I'm just there to kind of oversee it, make sure the flow is going, Taylor really runs it with Eli and I'm just kind of overseeing it. And Danny is like off air and he's talking to Taylor, okay, we're gonna do this. The single best exercise for back is deadlift and Danny's like,

oh, yeah, I'll do that, but I don't agree with it. I'm like, whoa, what do you mean you don't agree with it? So I ask him that, and then he starts getting into how, oh, it just, it doesn't isolate the lads as well as this movement and that movement, and go, whoa, okay, what are you saying? Are we talking about isolating the lads? Are we talking about isolating?

Or are we talking about the single best exercise for your back as far, and it goes, it doesn't matter either way. I still think that, you know, a pull up with Super City, a barbell row would be better than than we're going back and forth. I couldn't get through to him. It was impossible. It's almost like, and you set it best out. There's definitely this thing that happens when you're young like that and very smart,

is you get too smart for your own good. That is smart to realize when you're being dumb. Yeah, you know, it really it really is and you and just plain out fucking experience will end up trumping that one day. And you know, once you've trained enough bodies and you've applied enough of your theories to, you know, enough groups of people, it becomes very transparent. Like, wow, this was something that I've neglected for a long time because I had, I believed this camp, you know, I can't, I teased him about being in the hypertrophy coach camp and, you know, I got a lot of respect for the dude actually and he puts out incredible content, but I was teasing him because he talks a lot about, you know, isolation and cable movements

and really, you know, the importance of mind muscle connection. And I agree with all of that. I mean, I was in that camp for a very long time. I spent a majority of my lifting career, the body building, hypertrophy pumping, isolating type exercises that sculpted much of my body. So who are you to come tell me that's not one of the best ways to do because I saw great results, but I'll tell you what, holy shit,

when I began to deadlift, especially running singles, doubles, triples, five by five type of strength training for my back, my fucking back exploded. And then what I realized even more so was that I went back to all those exercises that I swore by and my my strength, like, doubled and tripled in some of those movements. And so the argument that I was trying to make to him was, listen, the CNS carryover that you get from deadlifting in comparison to all these movements you're arguing with me about, is trumped so much that even if you're, if there's these studies that

you're trying to quote and refer to of like, oh, more muscle activation in the lats by a dumbbell row or a pull up or a barbell row than a deadlift, like, okay, that's true. But that deadlift has so much carry over spills over into all those movements that you'll now be able to go back to those movements and be able to lift significantly more, which will also then compound the results. And it's not even fucking close, but I couldn't get him to budge. I couldn't get him to budge. Yeah, did he, he argued with me all the way to the end of it until I just, you know, we agreed to disagree and then he did the videos anyways.

And then, you know, him and Taylor were making fun of me on the my Instagram afterwards just, you know, Danny thinking he's so smart just. Oh my god. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. He's like, He's still raw. He's still.

Yeah, so. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here with that guy. Did you guys end up mailing in those Everly Well tests? I did. In fact, I just got to. Are we all doing my omega? You did omega. You did omega.

Okay, so last time you did omega, it was... I'm hoping to see an increase. What have you done to change that? Well, I mean, begrudgingly, I've eaten fish like once a week for me. I literally hate fish. So since you did the... Because you took a test last time, your omega-3s were lower than they should be. Yeah.

Since then, you've been eating fish once a week. Yeah, and supplementing, so. Oh, okay, yeah, see, this would be fascinating. Yeah, exactly, so I'm interested to see if supplementing and then just one little, you know, nutritional component, that's a massive component, obviously, we'll make a difference. Okay, now you and I, Adam, we did the beat.

Yeah, we did beat. Yeah, we did beat, and I'm not doing anything different right now. I want to, I haven't never tested that. So I'm basically keeping things the same for me. I'm going to test it. And then whether I'm higher low or whatever I'm at, we'll dictate whether I change something nutritionally. Now that one I think is fascinating because I did mine too.

And I anticipate that mine will be good because I eat pretty well. And I think I eat a lot of foods that contain pretty full spectrum of B vitamins and then I also supplement here and there with with multi vitamins, but low B is you get a lot of these common symptoms you see in people like anxiety, kind of nervous system type disorders, pale skin, and you'll see this in people. And it's so happy that they're doing this test because I think a lot of people are low

in some of these nutrients and it's expensive to go get them tested at the doctor. I, you know, I'm, and having your doctor write your prescription for a test like that, they won't do it unless you're dying. I'm with you that I think I'm gonna be good, but I'm also, but I'm also skeptical, but I'm also nervous because I thought

I was gonna crush the Omega test because I'm really good about that. Like I really, I eat a lot of fish, and when I don't, I make a conscious effort to supplement. So I thought, oh, when I take this every Omega test, I'm gonna be fine. And I remember I had been even supplementing that week with Omega's, and when I took, oh, when I take this Everly Omega test, I'm gonna be fine. And I remember I had been even supplementing that week with Omega's, and when I took the test, I was low.

So I was like, that was a major wake up call. I think there's an individual variance with all this stuff. Of course there's gonna be. Like someone could eat the same amount of fish as someone else, and they'll have good markers, and someone else will have lower markers. It could also be what you're, you know,

what you may be undergoing, even terms of stress or training or illness or if you have gut issues. And so all this stuff is very individual. This is why I think the, the every well, every well test is so important. And I love that they make it so convenient and easy. I love that I can, I have an app and so I can go back

and look at all my tests, I can pay attention to what I was doing with the diet. Because a lot of people like myself, I'm sure think that they're eating well for, oh, I can't be lacking in that, I gotta be fine. But like you said, you know, maybe I'm eating a lot compared to somebody else who doesn't need it as much. That just screams to me that, wow,

it's really important that I'm not only aware of this, but I'm probably needing to consume as much or more than the average person for that because the way my body responds to it. Now, my Omega's were good. They were actually in the optimal range that said on the test, but I've been supplementing with cod liver oil, and I take about three to four grams, which is three to four capsules of it. I've been supplementing with that for years now. It's probably one of my most consistent supplements.

I take it every single morning and so I would have been shocked, had mine been low, but I think that may be why. And the reason why I supplement with it is years ago when I first found the, was at the Weston A price website, they were such big proponents of especially called liver oil, mainly because of the Omega-3s, but also because it has a high level of natural vitamin D, which a lot of people are low in also.

That's the one that, yeah, I was obviously concerned with because I had just going about my nutrition and not having fish as a regular part of my diet was already concerning, but yeah, the level of vitamin D was like concerning for me too. So that's... Did you get that tested? That one, no, I didn't, but I just... Did you get that tested? Yeah, exactly. That would be another good follow-up for sure. Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing about testing. You know, I'm one of those people that's like, oh, I know how my body feels, this, that, and the other, but you don't know for sure. Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing about testing. I'm one of those people that's like, oh, I know how my body feels, this, that, and the other.

But you don't know for sure until your test, because you guys remember my testosterone test and how much it jumped because I severely cut my cannabis usage, or at least that's what I think caused that rise in my testosterone. I wouldn't have known, and I did feel a little bit, but I wouldn't have known it made that big of a difference had I not done that everly well test.

So I think it's really smart. I think if you're super into your health, I think it's smart to schedule some of these key tests with yourself a few times a year. Like I think that would be a smart protocol, and what is it in the class, if you're a hundred bucks for a test or something like that? Oh, it's just important? Oh, it's important.

Yeah, it's important feedback and data to be able to kind of like really narrow down using individual. And so like you can plan around that a lot more effectively. Yeah. You know, speaking of like nutrients and vitamins and things like that,

maybe one of you guys can look this up. I actually meant to look this up before we got started or maybe Doug, you can check for us. Are you familiar with what organify is doing with the vitamin angels? No, what is that? So they're doing it so cool. Again, I'm so glad we partnered with the companies that we did, just because all of them have such great little programs that they have going on and they're always constantly trying

to find a way to give back. Organifi is doing this thing right now that every Organify Redjuice purchase will help save a life. And they've partnered up with a company called Vitamin Angels and Organify their mission is to unite the world through health and happiness. They're blessed to have the opportunity to partner with Vitamin Angels and expand their impact. So for every jar of Redjuice sold, we can help save

a child's life providing the gift of nutrition to a mountain nurse child in need. It's such a child's life providing the gift of nutrition to a mountain nurse child in need. It's such a simple yet powerful way to impact the world. So I didn't know anything about this, you know, and I just they just came up on my on my feed yesterday, and I want a dog or someone to kind of dig into it. I had never heard of this company vitamin angels before, and they supposed well malnutrition is a big deal in a lot of developing nations. Like low levels of vitamin A or vitamin D or vitamin E,

or because a lot of these kids in some of these countries will eat the same foods all the time, just because of poverty or whatnot. And so what a lot of people will do, and I'm assuming vitamin angels does this as well, as they go in, they see what the deficiencies are, and then they give these kids. And yeah, and they give them a supplemental nutrients.

And when you have a nutrient deficiency, and you fill it, it's life changing. Well, we've talked about this even for someone who's not, we're not trying to save lives, just the impact that it makes on those normal listeners right now, who are trying to chase goals of, you know, getting more muscle or burning body fat. It blew and that was really way later in my career that I started to piece this together because I was constantly chasing the performance supplements and trying everything on the

sun to get the competitive edge. And never once was I looking at my vitamin D, my vitamin B, my Omega's, but the more I started to look deeper into that stuff, and actually, if I was going to supplement, instead of taking the latest fat burner this or muster builder this, like instead of doing that, going, okay, where am I deficient in? And supplementing with that way, and what a huge difference that played in my results, and it was like, oh, that's crazy. One, it was way cheaper to do.

Two, it taught me more about my diet and my patterns, the way I eat. And I could also try and get a majority of that nutritionally. And then I could use my supplement only when I needed it. For example, like I talk about with fish, if I'm not getting it two or three times in a week, that's when I would supplement for it. Where I think people, if they were to start doing that,

they would see way more results than they would anticipate opposed to always chasing the performance supplements. I had an aunt who was in her, I wanna say in her early 70s, and she was having trouble walking and moving, and the problem with advanced age, one of the problems is sometimes issues will pop up

and they don't get diagnosed because they're older. So, you know, doctors and people around them say, oh, you're just, you know, you're just losing mobility because you're getting older. Or you're losing, you know, your coordination because you're getting older. Well, I had an aunt that was losing, her gate was starting to change and people thought, oh, you're just getting older, whatever. She had a friend who was a doctor who took some tests and found that she was low in some nutrients. And I think it was B vitamins, if I'm not mistaken. Now that we're on that topic.

And her coordination started coming back and her mobility started coming back. It was a fucking nutrient deficiency, which is, today's day and age is so easy to fix. You just take a vitamin for some of the stuff or an injection of vitamins. And she was able, she started moving and functioning better. But had we not looked into that, nobody would have ever known. We would have thought it was just due to old age.

Did you see what Doug just pulled up? I didn't know, I didn't know that it was the number one leading cause of death in children. A malnutrition? Yeah. Wow. Damn. And then what's the score thing you just pulled up right now, Doug, is that? Like, as far as it's a thing that ranks charities?

Yeah, we're over to charity navigator. So anytime somebody brings up a charity, maybe I'm thinking about donating to something, I want to kind of find out, you know, if they're legit number one, and how they're using their money, money. And this one seems ultra legit. It's got a financials of 97.5 accountability, transparency, 100%.

So it's, oh, I don't even know this website existed. What a full website because, and this, Doug, how did you know about this? That I've never even heard of this. I think I found it years ago when I was looking into some companies that, what an important approach to me, right? What an important tool, especially in today's age, especially since it's becoming a way that people build businesses, right? This is becoming a strategy.

It's almost anywhere if you hear these business seminars now. One of the first things they cover and talk about is building something that finds a way to give back to this is becoming mandatory for people that they want that. We talked about Tom's being one of the first companies to really explode this new wave. But I like this because I'm a huge fan of private charities. Government isn't nearly as efficient in many times when government gives money to other countries. It goes from the poor people here to the rich people somewhere else. Private charities like this, I really like, especially now that there's these, I didn't know this site existed as well, but I knew of other things where you can look in and see, where's the money going? Who's getting it? Because there's nothing worse

than donating to a charity and then finding out that it's not getting. They went to the founder. Yeah, that's extremely infuriating to me when I see something like that because it's praying on people's empathy and compassion, which I think is, and then what happens, it's the worst. And what happens is it destroys people's confidence and stuff like this and then people don't wanna help. Right, then they're hesitant to give.

Yeah, so this is a really cool website. Yeah, and that needs, it's star ranks it and then it ranks it out of 100. And that makes me feel good. Oh, that's very cool. Oh, that's very cool. 197, 98, that's dope. I wanna look closer in that. So that's great.

So basically, it's tied into the Redjuice specifically that they're gonna donate. Right, so by that, then they donate. Yes, that's cool. Okay, good job. Redjuice is good for pre-workout for people wondering what that's good for. Yep.

All right, one last thing before we get into the fitness questions, I've gotten tagged probably 100,000 times, not now exaggerating, a lot of times, to the study that came out. So researchers, here's a title of the article, and there's a lot of articles done on this one study, it's going mainstream. Researchers might have finally cracked the code to gorging without consequence. Okay, so they've isolated a gene in mice that when they disable it, the mice can...

Oh, I saw this. I don't have that on this too. Can you define gorging? I'm so glad you're... They just allow them to eat a shit ton of high calorie foods for prolonged periods of time. Well, it's like an excessive binge. Yeah, and they didn't gain weight.

And they found, yeah, I found a way to block this. So they're trying to claim that you can block this and eat, go to bananas. So what they found is that this gene, when you inhibit it, you inhibit, the body expends calories as heat rather than storing them as fat. So in essence, giving them a, you know, for lack of a better term, a faster metabolism. You know what this reminded me of when the science around lipotropic came out, when we used to say that, you know, this is the most commonplace that your body stores fat in the liver. And instead of it storing fat in the liver, you then transport it into the bloodstream

and then utilize it as energy. Is it something like that, Sal, is that what we're seeing? I'm not quite sure, I'm trying to read up more about it, but I mean, in this article, it says that removing this gene had two major effects that they noticed. It reduced storage of fat and then it caused muscles to burn more calories at rest.

So you're just basically wasting, it didn't waste the way. Yeah, well, you're wasting more calories in essence. You're becoming less efficient, which in the context of modern life may be a good thing because we're so exposed to so much food and we don't move that much. But here's my little, you know, my warning, I guess.

First off, it's done on animals. So we don't know what this would mean for humans, but second off, we don't know what the side effects of that are. Exactly. Or other effects. And so now you're talking about manipulating genes the whole crisper thing again, right?

So this has to happen as, you know, like the, you're dealing with the egg and everything else and you're trying to like take it and extract out the gene while then implanting it back into the mother, right? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean, theoretically, you could design a drug that inhibits the actions of this particular gene, not that they've isolated it. But again, there's always, remember, it's an effect.

Yeah, it's always. What would that cause? You know, maybe it'll cause issues with the brain later on, because storing fat isn't just storing fat. There's a whole process that goes into that. And there's a reason why your body does it. Yeah, so it's after. It changes for us.

You feel satisfied. Yeah, but who knows, man? I mean, who knows what this could lead to, but people are tagging me left and right, because of course, people are excited. You become psychotic. There could be a drug that would let you eat whatever you want and not gain. And you could you imagine just for a second,

if they're going to work. If there really was, let's just pretend because I highly doubt this would happen, but let's just pretend there was a drug that did that and there were no side effects. You just took it and ate whatever you wanted. Some of the other side effects involved with that would be psychological if you ask me, yeah, you have a bunch of shitty eating patterns because people now could eat whatever they want and not gain weight and so they're just gonna

gorge the shit out of themselves. And does that also mean that you're not getting the negative health effect? Forget the fat gain. You're still eating things that are unhealthy, right? Well, you may just be insatiable too. You know, you may just like, you could never, it's like a bottomless pit

that you could never fill. Sure, sure. You know, is it worth, what is worth that? Or, remember we talked about this maybe, I think two, maybe three years ago, that surgery that people were having where they could just eat whatever they were. Oh, oh.

A spiral assist. Yeah, yeah, that one. Whatever happened. What a horrible idea. I think it's approved. Yeah. I think people are actually doing that. What a horrible idea. I think it's approved. Yeah. I think people are actually doing that. Or they just, they eat and then they puke

through their stomach. Yeah. The puke. That's what it is. They're pretending like it's not known. It's the same thing as bulimium. It is. They're just extra, they're just allowing you a tube

to be able to like, shuttle it out of your stomach. So I wonder what's worse. It's all, what is worse? None of it's like solving the root, you know what I mean? It's all just patches, patching on, you know, it's like a boat with like water poking through the holes and they're just like sticking stuff over the holes to stop hammering corks in there.

It's funny how science kind of comes full circle, I feel like I feel like the more we learn, the more we educate ourselves, the more we kind of find out like the things that we are doing, I think 500 years ago. Yeah, I think people really, I mean, they want to solve these problems and we see these all as problems and they're trying to do it in a way that seems like

it's a magic pillar. It's something quick that they can apply and then it's going to have all this great result out of it where almost across the board, there's always work that has to be done to get there. We just want the easier, it's like people banging their head against the wall and scientists keep designing better and better helmets.

You know what I mean? Here, put this helmet on, this will prevent you from... Yeah, that one's good, but... Yeah, that one's better. Just stop banging your head against the wall about that. Yes, do that. This Quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition,

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I do, I actually do this a lot and it's kind of where I'm at right now. I'm not in this like hardcore, try and make gains and change my physique. I'm really more about maintaining, navigating through the holidays and my passion and love right now is elsewhere. It's in the business and snowboarding. So my training is like super minimal right now. And sometimes it's a 20 minute little lift, but then I go a bit later on,

then I'll do something else. And then later on, I'll do something else. It's when I find a few minutes I can get away. And sometimes that's body weight stuff, sometimes it's some barbell movements, but just like you're alluding to Sal, I think, and I for sure would never do this in the past. I used to think that you gotta go to the gym,

you gotta have this one hour of like getting after it and then it's like the more I can do with that. And it's like no, sometimes just getting there and you know, doing four or five sets of squats. I love taking my time. Yeah, there's nothing that makes me more happy than being in a gym and having nothing but time on my hands. Like, that's a great feeling.

Oh, it is. Cause then you could just prime properly. I could like ease my way into and start ramping up my intensity like properly. And that's when I have my best lifts. But I just, I mean, you just aren't afforded that amount of freedom. Like, you know, you used to have maybe when you're younger,

didn't have as many responsibilities, job, all that kind of stuff in the way. But I used to really enjoy that man, taking my time and like being there for a couple hours. There's something to be said about being able to come back to the gym, like and modify your intensity. Like I think, yeah, like if you had all the time in the world, just like he's asking, like you have all the time in the world and you want to maximize.

I think I shared this. This was a, you know, we talk about all these moments in our career of training that like a light ball went off from me. And this, I had to be, I want to say around 26-ish. And I, for the first time ever, I had taken like a week or 10 days off of work, but I didn't leave town. I stayed in town and I had nothing planned. I was like, I'm just gonna not work. And so of course, I love training, like we all do. I'm like, I'm gonna go to the gym.

And I went to the gym like two, three times a day. And like, but what it looked like, it wasn't like I hammered the gym three times a day. I went in, walked on the treadmill, primed my body, stretched my back, then I didn't know it was priming. I was just kind of warming the body up to get ready to lift.

I get a really good lift in for 30 to 45 minutes, then I would go eat, go home for a little bit, relax, come back, and I came back to them. I was doing that every day for this like 10 day period. And man, the gains that I saw in that short amount of time. And I also didn't feel like, here's the key though, that you gotta be careful, is I do think that if you had all the unlimited time,

it is this kind of split routine of coming, you know, at least twice in a day, you know, let's split the body up a little bit. I do think it's ideal, but then it's very important that you modify the intensity. Yes. Because you can't go balls to the wall morning and night every single day,

but you definitely can, if you ideally, if you have all the time in the world, modify the intensity and come in. Yeah, because I've actually done this in the past where when I've had, nice to own the part gym and down in Southern California, and I'd be there all day long,

I'd workout in the afternoon, and then I'd workout again in the evening after work, and the way I would break it up is I would do my heavy compound lifts for what I used to call the bulk workout or the main workout. And then later on, I'd come back and hit the smaller body parts with more isolation type stuff, and I had some of the best gains that I ever had in my entire life and it's funny because studies will like for cardio for example they've done studies on cardio

where they find if you just do an hour of cardio versus if you do two 30 minute sessions it's more effective to do two 30 minute sessions with resistance training I think that's can be very true now of course the drawback to it is not, you don't have all the time in the world to do, but I think everybody, if they can dedicate a particular period of time, like a month or two months or whatever to really just maximizing results, try it out, go to the gym, do your whole workout,

but break it up into two workouts, and see what happens. The results, this is how guys used to train in the 70s. Yeah, I definitely think the way that you describe is more ideal going with the compound heavier lifts first and then following that up with more of the accessory lifts. But yeah, I've even like just personally, because of having a gym in my house

have been able to do like a 10 minute, 50 minute session, go do stuff, come back, hit it again, 10, 50 minutes go out. I'll do four or five sessions in a day and it's been going great. Like it's super like energizing. That's what I meant how I'm training right now, but I would love to write a program one day

that is the most- For the gym. If you- I'm gonna live in there and I'm gonna come back with you at all the time in the world. Like what is the most optimal way the gym. If you- I'm all living there, I'm all coming back to you. You had all the time in the world, like what is the most optimal way to be training? But I still feel very happy with the order that we have released programs

because I would never want to present a program like that to our audience first. Because I think that before you start, because 90% of the people won't be able to get that much time. 90% of the people won't be able to get that much time. 90% of the people won't be able to come in the morning and come later on the evening. But there is a small percentage of people

that either one are at a certain time in their life that they can a lot that much time inside the gym or two are competitive and like, how would you... Because once I did for off training for football, like, and it was tremendous for the amounts of gains that I got. Well, once I got to the, and I waited, so this was not at the amateur level, this was not even when I first went pro, but as I, when I was back, by the time I was on to my second pro

show, this is a lot how I was training. I was going to the gym twice in a day. But I mean, that was after, you know, two, three years of consistently scaling up to that, and then once I had reached that, that was like the kind of the next step was, okay, if I'm going to increase my volume more than I have been over the last two, three years, how should I do that?

Well, the most optimal way was, okay, I need to start dividing these workouts up in two, and then modifying the intensity in the morning and the evening. Well, so like, I'll give an example of one of Arnold's split routines. Now Arnold, he used to hit the whole body three days, three times a week.

So he'd make sure to hit chest, back, shoulders, legs, everything three times a week. But he also did a shit ton of volume. He was also doing 15 to 25 sets per body part. So the only way to go into the gym and to do all that volume and hit the body three times a week You'd have to go to the gym twice a day. Otherwise you're working out for three hours, right? You know for two hours

So like one of his splits was on days one three and five in the morning He'd go chest them back and then the evening would be legs calves and abs You know, and then two four and six shoulders triceps and biceps in the am and then calves and abs. And then two, four, and six shoulders, triceps, and biceps in the am, and then calves, and abs in the evening. But if you think about it, like, let's say you go to the gym and today is, let's say it's a typical push type split, where I'm doing chest, shoulders, and triceps. And I do chest in the morning,

and that's a body part I really want to develop. I can come back a couple hours later, I'm more fresh, I probably fed myself, now many of the shoulders and triceps, you're gonna have a much better workout, I think, because what it tends to happen with really long workouts is towards the end of the workout, you start to kind of peter out a little bit,

you start to lose your energy. Especially when you give an example, like you just did, like if you go after your chest, really hard, and that's your first exercise you're doing, flat bench or incline bench or whatever, and you do three to five or more sets potentially, and then you ask yourself to go over and do an overhead press or to do triceps,

well, your triceps and shoulders are incorporated in that heavy bench, and if you really got after it in your bench, there's no doubt that it's gonna be fatigued a little bit when you go to shoulders and triceps. So if you allow yourself that recovery time throughout the day and then come back, oh, the mountain you'll be able to give towards your shoulders and triceps is significantly higher if you were to couple them with that.

Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that if I had all the time in the world, and that's that was my goal. My routine would probably consist of two resistance training workouts a day, one that would be heavier and with harder exercises, one that would be easier. And then I'd probably incorporate another mobility stretching type session in that day. I mean, we're talking ideal situation. Yeah, but let's also, I think it's important to know that even if that you had all the time in the world and you do that, you still would scale to that, right?

Like I don't, like personally. Oh, you're not jumping in that. Yeah. Yeah, like if I'm talking to somebody who's, you know, an amateur lifter, you haven't been lifting in the gym very consistently, there's no reason for me to put that much time in the gym with that person.

Like I'm going to still work you through red, green, black, then a work up, then you're just going to fry yourself. Then map split and then heading, then I would head into that direction. Like it makes the most sense. And that means you've got over a year of consistent lifting and scaling volume before I would then split into a double workout and increase my volume even more. Yeah, I know that the Olympic lifters of the old Soviet era Olympic lifters, you know, were they called the Iron Curtain, right?

Were there behind? Yeah. A lot of their training modalities weren't shared during the Cold War because it was such a competitive time. Once the Iron Curtain fell, once the Soviet Union kind of broke apart, we started to learn a lot of their training methodologies and what they would do and why they were creating and producing athletes that were just dominating and a lot of these strength sports. And there's a lot of things that they did. So it's not just this.

Like, all across the board. There's a lot of stuff that they did. But one of the things that they did is they would do. They would train all day. They would literally have multiple sessions a day of training and their athletes were producing tremendous amounts of progress and strength. And they would hit that right amount of volume and you know that right dosage to where even they wouldn't even need a recovery full recovery day, they would just keep going and that you really wouldn't they wouldn't stop training like it was like year-round Next question is from the Dave lifestyle How often should a specific exercise change for example? When should you change from a standard squat to a sumo squat or a stiff leg a deadlift to a conventional deadlift? This is a great question because there's kind of a couple schools of thought.

Like you have the whole muscle confusion, I hate that word, school of thought, which is change it as often as possible to keep your body adapting. Now I'm not a subscriber to that school of thought because you need to get good at it. There you go. You need a specific amount of time, a particular amount of time to get good and an exercise to maximize its benefits. Like, if I take someone who's never barbell squatted, it's gonna take a while for them to get good at barbell squatting.

And then when they get good at barbell squatting, then we really see like the max, like the results really start to kick in. Now I can push them with the squat. Whereas in the beginning, it's really getting used to the movement, feeling it out. And just still, by the way,

you're still improving that whole time. It's just they weren't good enough at that movement to really maximize the type of results that that movement can produce. So what I always say to people is the best time to switch exercises when you're really good at the one you're doing. Like when I feel really good at what I'm doing, move, change to another exercise and get really good at that one. And then what watch what happens to your body.

The other time that I'll change is when I start to notice mobility issues and nagging aches and pains. And, you know, like if I'm only doing barbell squats and I feel really, really good at them and I'm getting carried away and I start to notice my hips start to get a little tight, especially at the top where the IT band can up by the hip. And I start to feel like stiff in that area. Then I know I need to switch movements and then I'll typically go to a split stance exercise. That's almost every time I go to switch and try different exercises.

When I start to feel the achiness and the dull sort of pain as a result of just doing the same repetitive movement all the time. And so, yeah, I love to switch up, you know, barbell squats and, you know, change that up and do like a searcher squat or focus more on front-loaded squats or, you know, you're talking about stiff like a deadlift going into conventional dead lifts. It's a matter of that time period of like really devoting yourself so you get good at the skill of it, but then realizing that okay, now, you know, like these aches and pains are happening as a result of like constantly doing the same movement. Adam, I used to be in the camp of changing everything.

I was the confusion guy. I was the muscle confusion guy. And a lot of that, there's some benefits to that. The benefits to that that I saw was I never really dealt with aches and pains. I was graded exercising, but I was never graded at any of those movements. And I didn't realize how much the gains would come on when I began to get really good at the movements like you're saying.

And so none of you really touched on a time frame, which so I want to, because I have found that it falls somewhere between about four to six weeks of consistently keeping an exercise in there. I can't get behind that. So that's been something that I've kind of stayed true to for since I put that together. I was muscle-convusion guy forever, felt great, thought I looked pretty great, never really trained low rep ranges, never really stuck with just barbell squatting or, you know, sumo squatting for, you know, weeks on in, it was like, it would just be intermittently thrown into my routine, like, oh, I haven't squat in a while, throw it in there,

and then it's gone, and then, oh, I haven't sumo deliver, I'm just throw it in there, it's gone. Like, it would never stay consistently in my routine for weeks on weeks, so I could build on it. And once I did do that, and this was kind of when I started getting into the five by five type of training, whoa, I just blew my mind on how, especially with those lifts, when you talk about overhead press, you talk about bench press, which is that one was probably one I did do all the time, but overhead press, squatting and deadlifting,

I would say are the three big ones that I neglected getting good at. And when I started to put a lot of energy into that, I saw the gains come on like crazy. But then like everything else I do, I fall in love with that protocol. And I was sticking to just that protocol for too long of a time. And then, you touched on it, the aches and pains starting and the gains would stall. And so I would play with this like, how long then do I stay with this movement? And for me, and that's why I gave a range, I think it's, and it's unique to each individual, but I seem to see the most results

within that kind of four to six range of sticking to a movement. It gives me, the first week is like totally filling it out. Like you haven't done, if you haven't done a sumo deadlift in a long time or ever, the first like two to three times of doing it is like. You're gonna suck at it.

Yeah, you suck at it. Like the movie, I'm not going really, really heavy. And even if I think it's heavy, it's nowhere near what my max is, that I may think it is because I'm struggling with it. But part of why I'm struggling with it is because I'm not, I'm not perfecting the movement yet. And so I think I'm training really hard,

but I'm not training, I'm not training that movement to its max capacity. And so I really feel like the first probably week to two weeks at the minimum is kind of finding your groove. And then weeks three and four, you're starting to hit your stride. And then I feel like weeks five and six, you start hitting your peak. And then if you continue going on with that movement and pushing more and more weight,

and pushing more weight, that's when I would start to find the aches and the pains like you mentioned. Now that being said, I will say this, this is, it's more true for certain exercises and less true for other exercises. For example, if I'm going to go in and pick a bicep exercise, it's not as important that I stick to the same bicep exercise to get really good at it. It's a single joint movement. It's pretty easy. I'm not going to get that much benefit from just doing barbell curls until I get really good at them before I switch.

I might be okay going with a cable or a machine or whatever. Same thing with other isolation exercises. But the big compound movement that require a lot of skill, I guess the way I'll say it is, if it's a movement that requires a lot of skill, you're better off sticking to it and getting good at it before you switch. If it's a low skill exercise, switching them around, it's interchangeable. Yeah, it doesn't make that big of a difference. I mean, I could do five different isolation movements for my chest, different variations of flies with cables and machines and squeezing

and this, that, and the other. It's not gonna make that big of a difference if I stick to an exercise or if I switch around. In fact, switching around may actually be beneficial in that particular case. But the complex movements, it takes a while to get good at them and it takes a while to maximize the benefit you're gonna get at it. So it's smart to stick to them for a while to get good at them and it takes a while to maximize the benefit you're going to get at them.

So it's smart to stick to them for a while, get really good at them before switching to something else. But I have a story around this. Everybody knows I like to deadlift. It's one of my favorite exercises. When I first started deadlifting, I was a Sumo deadlifter. That's the way that I was taught. Then I went to conventional and I never looked back.

I always did conventional deadlifts. Well, the long time ago, I was trying to get my deadlift up to 600 pounds. I tried all these different things. And somebody, you know, I read an article and someone said, try sumo deadlifting. So here I was, being able to routinely pull in the mid fives conventional. I went to sumo and I was struggling pulling anything over 425. And it was mainly because of what, like you were saying Adam, I just wasn't good at it. I hadn't Sumo deadlifted in a very, very long time. I could tell I wasn't good at it and I could tell I couldn't really maximize my force production or my strength. So I dedicated some time to Sumo deadlifting and my goal was to get my Sumo deadlift over 500 pounds.

And it took me a matter of weeks, I think it took me like four or five weeks of practice. I mean, it had the strength obviously, I could pull conventional, but it took me about four or five weeks to be able to do that with the sumo. Then when I was able to do the sumo, I went back to conventional,

and my conventional went up by about five or 10 pounds, which it might not have happened had I not done that. So this is just something to pay attention to, especially with the complex lifts. I've noticed that too, and I was thinking about it, and it's a longer period. So you mentioned four to six, and whether it's like somewhere around 12 weeks,

where I'll go back to unilateral training. And then that's something that I like to do that, because that has, it's a nice break, for the body to then focus on less loading, but then also it's very much more high stability. And you're isolating these muscles quite a bit more, but that has massive carryover for me, then to come back, to bilateral type movements,

these compound lifts, and I've found that to be very beneficial. I guess it's the difference between training the muscle and then training the movement. In some exercises, that's a good way of putting it. Do a really good job of training the movement. Like I'll give you a very, very clear example, like an Olympic lift, like a clean. A clean is not a muscle, you're not trying to isolate a muscle, you're trying to perfect the movement. So that's an exercise that you practice over and over and over again.

Now, there's some truth to that with things like barbell squats and barbell deadlifts, for example. Although there are specific muscles you're working, you do get a lot out of just practicing the movement. Now, I would say to the average lifter, you're probably better off going to the gym and just practicing the movement than you are trying to squat and feel in your quads.

You're probably better off just practicing the movement. But other exercises, it's really about trying to train the muscle. Isolation exercises in particular. Like, I'm not really trying to perfect a leg extension as much as I'm trying to feel my quads squeeze. And whether I try this leg extension machine or that leg extension machine or try different ones every time I work out, it's

not going to make that big of a difference. And the fact that I'm feeling the muscle and squeeze, that may actually benefit me more than trying to perfect the movement. So it depends on the exercise. And I guess a good rule of thumb is the more complex and the more skill that is involved with the exercise, the longer you want to stick with it before you switch over, the less complex and the less skill that's involved, the quicker you can switch between movements. Great. Next question is from Joe Burns. Do you think cardio can benefit someone with the goal of building strength?

If so, what are some good ways to incorporate cardio into a strength training plan that will not interfere with the strength adaptation? Yeah, I pick this question because we talk about cardio so much and how it can cause negative, or perceived negative adaptations because they're all just adaptations to the body where if you just do lots and lots and lots of cardio and that's the cornerstone of your workout, your body will start to burn less body fat as a result slow down some towels and by pairing down muscle

And so now people are like oh cardio is evil stay away from it all together Well, where does where does stamina help? You know within lift so it's like that that is an important component to the entire process of working out right? So if I want if I'm thinking about work capacity, for instance, and this is something that we, like some people were surprised at the volume right at the gates for our strong program, for instance. But in order to then get the muscle to, you know,

respond and be able to, like, what's the first thing to fail when you're going through these heavy lifts? Is it the stamina of it? Is it the strength, dips that you go through? There's all these types of processes that you identify and you see. And so this is a vital component

to that entire process. It is stamina. I remember a long time ago, I was always, I was never trying to lose weight ever. It was always trying to remember a long time ago, I mean, I was always, I was never trying to lose weight, ever. It was always trying to gain, always trying to gain, obviously insecure about being skinny. So it was always about gaining size. So I didn't touch cardio ever at all. And I just wanted to build muscle and get stronger. And there was this trainer that worked for me years ago. It was a long time ago. So I wasn't like, I don't wanna say my early, early to mid-20s.

And he was just this muscular rip dude. And every once in a while after the workouts, he would do like some sprints or he'd do some cardio. And because he was so muscular, I was more apt to hear his advice. And so we'd go back and forth and he's like, you know, cardio is good for you, it's good for your health. And I'd be like, yeah, I don't care about that.

I just want to build muscle. He's like, well, if you get healthier, you're probably going to build more muscle. And so the reason why I listened to him, of course, was because he was jacked. And so I did a little bit of cardio. And I remember getting on the bike and getting out of breath because I never did cardio.

So I had such bad endurance and stamina. But I started doing it a little bit. And it wasn't much. I was doing 20 minutes after my workouts. But I started doing it a little bit. And it wasn't much. I was doing 20 minutes after my workouts, but I noticed after about a week, I didn't have to rest as long in between my sets when I would lift. And I could do high rep squats much easier.

And as a result of that, I was building more muscle. And that's when it really started to occur to me like, oh shit. There's a carryover to it. All of this, there's all of that to carryover So I think cardio is an important aspect of Being healthy even if your goal is to build maximal muscle don't do tons of cardio Oh, yeah, great. This is what I used to recommend 12 minutes post workout hit

That was like my way to get the get your work capacity up like you're saying right now increase your stamina Get the get the calorie burn, but then also not sent don't spend an hour of way to get your work capacity up like you're saying right now, increase your stamina, get the calorie burn, but then also not spend an hour of these long, these long bouts of cardio that you start to send a conflicting signal to the body on what it's supposed to be adapting to. I don't want to do that. I want to build some stamina. I want to be explosive.

I want to increase my gas tank. What a great way to do it. Train for the first 45 minutes to my hour, get all my lifting in that I want to increase my gas tank. What a great way to do it. Train for the first 45 minutes to my hour, get all my lifting in that I want to post workout. I go straight over to some sort of a cardio piece equipment and I run 12 minutes ahead. And that right there will give me that without having all the fears of doing these long bouts of cardio that we talk about there. Basically, what you're doing, if your goal is maximal strength, maximal muscle, you're not doing cardio

to get really good at cardio. No. Okay, so that's not the goal. You're not doing cardio. Oh my God, next time I'm gonna push my time even further, I'm gonna see how much better. That's not the cornerstone of your workout because you're trying to build muscle and get stronger.

The cornerstone is the weights, so that's where you really push your performance. The cardio should be used as a way to get healthy, and to be quite honest, that you go for a walk, you know, you don't need to do a lot. Yeah, that counts. Yeah, absolutely. That's the thing, yeah, and it is. It's just benefiting the overall.

So you have your structure of strength as your focus, that's the majority always. And then you intermittently, or you add in like Adam's saying just a few minutes there to, you know, address it. But yeah, you're not, you're not like competing with cardio in strength training. But you're not also avoiding it like it's kryptonite. Yeah, you're not avoiding it. Because I used to know guys that would literally, and actually I used to do this as a teen

because I don't want to burn extra calories. I would lift weights and I would purposely be sedatory for the rest of the day. Because I was so afraid of burning any extra calories and he's concerned. It's like a typical power lift here. Right, but the reality of that is you're gonna build, you'll actually build less muscle if you go that far.

Like if you go to the gym and you lift weights really, really hard and then you stay in bed until your next workout session. Like you don't leave your bed, you'll build less muscle than if you're up and moving and you go for a hike and you do some work around the house. Of course. It's almost, it should be common knowledge when you think about it. I mean, you get up, you move, more oxygen, more blood, what equals more nutrients to the

muscle, more nutrients to muscle means faster recovery, more muscle. It's like, you know what, when I would train competitors, and I would say Melissa, Rochelle, as far as girls that worked with me, I would say are the best at adhering to this. Like, what we would do is I would find out where their normal movement steps were in a day, and all the way through the entire program, I would just incrementally move their steps up until it got to the point that we needed

to get on a piece of cardio to acquire those steps. It was always, just go for walks. Like if you're at 5,000 steps and now I'm asking you to be at 7,000, don't get on a piece of cardio, come in, just go for walks throughout your day, whether that's be one long walk or five little 10 minute walks

or making the conscious effort to park further away, whatever you need to just keep scaling that. And then eventually, we're someone like Melissa where we've got a long prep and program where we've done multiple shows. She eventually is going from all the way from five, six thousand steps, all the way up to like 22,000 steps. Then at that point, there's days where she'd be at school or at work all day long.

And so she'd be like, Adam, I have to go get on a piece of cardio equipment to achieve that. Okay, well now let's get on that piece of cardio equipment to achieve that. But the benefits that you get from cardio are not that much greater than just walking more and moving more.

It's that we live in this society now that we sit all fucking day long and anybody who's ever paid attention and actually tracked their movement. I mean, most people are only moving 4,000 steps. That's fucking nothing. You will get on a piece of cardio equipment for 30 minutes, you surpass that.

So no shit cardio has been official to most people. And that's why they recommend it to so many people. And that's why the studies show the health benefits around it. Well, you'd be surprised how healthy you would be if you just walked for an hour or two hours every single day. How amazing that would be for your heart. Right. Next question is from Amanda Henry. Do you guys have any plans to add a female voice to the podcast team? Why did you pick this question? It's funny. It's funny. You

say that. We just, we got. We got Justina on the show. I've just been holding out and waiting for my opportunity to voice my concerns. That's the opposite. That's the worst female voice ever. You're talking about that. You know, it makes me mad about. I hate this question.

Why is this not considered sexist? It is. Why is this not considered a sexist question? It is because it's funny the same the same and you know I apologize to whoever's that we're not hammering on you but I'll tell you what very season is an example we get it a lot people that these are the same people that like we're all the same everything's equal everybody's equality but then they want a somebody to to be on who is just a different gender as if that guarantees a different, you know what would be great,

if you were in a different waskamo, Adam. Yeah, I mean. Yeah. Exactly. But why does that matter? I know that being a female can provide different points of view, but it doesn't guarantee it. Everybody's an individual.

So I would love to have a female person on the show, look, I'll put it this way, if Justin or Adam was a girl, they'd still be on the show. Of course. You know what I mean? The fact that that world... You can see this dynamic what it is for sure. Yeah, the fact that everybody's a guy has zero to do

with why we're all doing this together at all. That wasn't even in my mind. I didn't even think to myself like, oh cool, I'm gonna work with these people. Oh wait, are they, oh yeah, they're all men. We're all good, man. I could give a shit. It doesn't matter.

If you guys were girls and I met you and we all... Or like we're not considering. I could give a shit. It doesn't matter if you guys were girls and I met you and we all are not considering the needs of females. It's like we're always thinking about everybody. The thing that sucks though is you know and I was just having this conversation with Danny right Danny stayed at my place where he came down to shoot with us and I was kind of telling him the overall vision of the YouTube channel and I said to said, you know, I could really use your help trying to find someone just like you, exactly like you, but a female. Like the traits that I think are really good about you. You're very, very intelligent. You articulate your points well, and you have a good look to you. Good delivery. Yes, when you look at you, you have this ability to look at the camera

and deliver your point well education a great education. So I'm looking for that. Like I'm looking for the sad part is I'm looking for just a female version of him to appease to this type of a question. And it's unfortunate that I have to do that to appease people but because it really doesn't. It's a reality. Just listen to me it doesn't fucking matter that it's coming out of a female's mouth or at a male's mouth. If it's good information and it's delivered the way that it should be delivered,

that's the, that's the desire. That's the desire. That's a desire. You bet your ass, I wish that Justin was a hot chick sitting across from me and said, I would, if I could find a girl that literally talked just like him, delivered the message that he delivered

because that's the magic in what happens in here. It's not like, oh, we picked a guy who has this types of knowledge and a guy that has this kind of knowledge and a guy that has this kind of, no, it's like, we met with there's three people that have this chemistry about them that deliver a message that we want to get out to people, their sex has nothing to do with it. And what would you say if I changed my sex?

Yeah, nothing. Right. Yeah, keep you on the show. Right, we do with it. And what would you say if I changed my sex? Yeah, nothing. Right. Yeah, keep you on the show. Right. And there's this good female podcast out there. But like, do they need a male representation? Yeah, I wonder if they get asked the same thing. That's a good question.

I wonder if the women, they're not a lot of them, but I wonder if they get mess. We have girlfriends that are in the podcast. And we've got patients, they get that question. I don't feel like they do. Well, you know, it's, here's the reality. The reality is when you're listening to someone giving you information,

there's a part of you that, it's more effective when you can identify with them. For example, if I, when I was a kid, well, I remember, I walk, for I'll give you an example for me, right? I remember watching Saturday Night Fever with John Travolta. Part of the reason why I thought it was so cool

was because a bunch of Italian dudes and I identified with that, like, oh yeah, they're just like me, like, but yeah, that doesn't mean that they're just like me at all. But it's just this natural instinct that we have. So like, our YouTube channel, if a female sees another female saying something or presenting something and they look the way

they want to look or whatever, it just makes it more effective. So yeah, I get that. I get or whatever, it just makes it more effective. So yeah, I get it too. It just makes it unfortunate. That's all. And it's not ragging on this person because we do get this a lot. And I too, if somebody, if I was searching for how to get jacked and build muscle and I

had the choice to listen to some petite 115 pound girl give the information and she could be probably smarter than this meathead-looking guy. Most people were gonna gravitate over to the challenge. Right, and that's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because she could have way better information than the information he's presenting and that's the world we live in.

But the fact of the matter is, mind pump is all about dispelling that bullshit. Like that's a lot of our, like, we would sell way more programs if they were blue and pink. In fact, marketing companies have come to us and said to us, can you make a female version of this? Can you make a workout just for women?

And we're like, it's the same as the one for men. There's no difference as a human workout. Absolutely. So it's, in this, in this, also highlights kind of what's wrong with the fitness industry because the people who are being listened to are the ones that look the best oftentimes. They're not the ones with the best information. They tend to be the guys and girls who are shredded and look

really good. And I remember I feel it was necessary that I had to do what I did just to get something some sort of traction for us. I don't know if we would I don't know if we'd be here today had I not gone to get something, some sort of traction for us. I don't know if we would, I don't know if we'd be here today, had I not gone to the extreme and showed everybody that on Instagram. Look at me. So I got enough, I don't doubt that made a difference.

Right, I mean, I don't know if we would have grown organically fast enough to get the traction that we did, had we not done that. So unfortunately, I had to play that, and I feel like we spent, I spent the first fucking

400 episodes, like getting people to understand, like that's not who I am, like I don't identify with that guy, you know, that guy is the guy that I knew I had to be in order to get the attention that we got, so somebody would listen to what we had to say. And it's like having a girl on the show, I mean, would they get more people to listen just because they know there's a girl on there?

I don't know. You know, here's the thing, if they have good stuff to say and they're smart, awesome. I really don't care if you're a guy or a girl. Yeah, and that's why we always look, you know, out for guests and people that are making an impact and like smart women out there. Well, let's bring them on.

And let's bring that, you know, voice in here for sure. It's simply just a numbers game. It's like we're in a male dominated space. You know, if we were in a, you know, why are there not more male representatives in the makeup industry? Well, because there's not as many guys in it, you know, or does that make all the women

that employ all the other women sexist? No, it's just that it's 90% of the sex that's in that space are a certain sexist. You just did a great post on this, Sal. You showed why aren't we up in arms over and you listed all these jobs. Yeah, they're male dominated. They're the ones that nobody wants to do,

like logging and steel working and shit like that. Oil rigging. Yeah, I mean, you know, again, it's a male dominated space. There's not a whole ton of female representatives. Some of them are phenomenal. There's some that are phenomenal. Yep.

And I mean, I have no problem having any, I don't care who you are. I don't care what you identify as, in fact, you could say you're non-gender. I don't give a shit. If you've got good information, good fitness information, come on the show. But I will say this, although we are three dudes, I think we do a good job being open and honest and vulnerable and all that other stuff.

And it comes with, I think that comes with age too. I think that's the part that really makes the three of us really special is that we, we're not like normal guys. I mean, we have this side to us that I think is very humanizing. We share our insecurities. And let me tell you something, this space is flooded with insecurities. It's fucking hard to find a male who isn't that way, much less a female that isn't riddled with insecurities.

And a lot of their message being distorted. So it's not a lack of not wanting to find these women to come on here and speak, but it's tough for me to find those people that are rarity in general. It's very, very rare. I also would find it condescending to be quite honest for, and I know you guys will feel the same,

to add someone just because, you know what I mean? Like if we're sitting around a table like, okay guys, how can we do this better? I'm like, I know. We need to specifically find a female voice to bring on, and we brought someone on that wasn't good, but just because they're a girl, I think that would be very condescending.

Yeah, it would fuck the dynamic up for sure. Are you kidding me? Especially if all of us kind of knew that. I mean, and not to give a hard time to our boy Craig, but I mean, that's the give a hard time to our boy Craig, but I mean, that's the reason why that didn't work out. I mean, it didn't work out because the synergy wasn't there. It wasn't the lack of knowledge or information he could provide or value, he could provide. The synergy wasn't there like it was with the three of us, where we're out.

And that wouldn't matter if he was a male or female. And if we just tried to insert somebody, and we almost did that because he had way more clout than any of us, it would have accelerated the business way faster to have someone like that. But it would probably have never grown to where it is had we force that. The same thing is true if we were to insert a female voice. Just for the sake of it.

Just for the sake of it being a female voice. So we can appease the handful of people that have a question like this all the time. Well, the thing I love about fitness and health and nutrition is there are specific things that apply to men and women, and there are things that apply to both and exercise is one of those ones that applies to both. I also want to say that we get, whenever we get this, it tends to spark something for us because we're very like, you know, I know we're responding to this question, but right

away, we'll hang these mics up and we'll go, hey, you know what? It's been a while since we've like revisited this. Let's, you know, reach out to some girls that would be, let's look for some girls that would be great on the show. And whenever this happens, we have a tough time with this. We really, we really struggle with finding that. And then I get people, then we put it out there to the forum and we put it out for people to say, hey, recommend these people. And I got to be honest, the people that they recommend just goes to show how little they actually know about that person,

because I happen to know more about that person they're recommending. And it's not somebody who I want representing on the show. And I think we all agree. We all go like, that's the three girls you guys gave us to reach out to an interview on the show. Nah, not the message, man. That's not it. The same way we go when someone references a guy that was put this guy, hey, you should interview this guy and then we know that guy or know a lot about that person. I'm like, nah, not the person that we want to represent on the show. Well, the good news is you're seeing more and more women enter into this space, especially

the new media space because the barriers have been lowered and you're starting to see more and more of that, but it still remains a kind of a male dominated space. But I hope it changes. I really do. Fitness is for everybody. You know, health is for everybody. And I, you know, I have a daughter. And again, knowing that somebody tends to listen to another person because they identify with them more, I would like to see more women representatives who are able to give the right message of strength and health and confidence so that more girls will listen. Because I think it's important, I think it's absolutely important.

And we are always open to those suggestions, so, even though I just kind of hamper them. Yeah, if you guys know anybody, we at DM us. I've always, I mean, we go through all this. Anytime someone sends a DM or posts on the forum, like, hey, we would love to, we look at all of them. Just because we don't, you don't see them on the show, there's probably a reason for that. But we absolutely take all of them into consideration.

We go and we research them after that. If we don't know who they already are. So, and we appreciate that. So, if you've got people who you think would be great to hear their voice on the show, by all means, please send the DMs or send over an email to info at MindPump Media and reference to people that you think would be a great voice to be on here.

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