Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 924: The Muscle Building Advantage of a Deep Squat, Corrective Exercises for the Computer User, How to Transition Out of a Dieting Stage & MORE

Episode Date: December 15, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the advantage of an ass to grass squat over a conventional squat, how to transition out of a dieting phase, how to minimize or prevent upper cross syndrome and if Mind Pump would ever create a personal training school. What is an ‘Atomic Sit-Up’? (4:37) The pranks the guys used to do when they were younger. (8:40) Old media is on the way out. Social media outpaces print newspapers in the U.S. as a news source. (17:38) California proposes a plan to tax text messages. (22:50) The fascination over the new way teens communicate. (25:25) The iGen Generation vs. Millennial's. (27:37) Learn about your fitness knowledge with the Health IQ quiz + the decline of the modern male. (37:45) Mind Pump Reviews: Organifi Pure. (45:14) #Quah question #1 – If mobility allows, what are the advantages of an ass to grass squat over a conventional squat? (49:46) #Quah question #2 – When transitioning out of a dieting phase would you decrease cardio first while keeping food intake lower? Or would you increase food intake first and keep more cardio in?  (56:01) #Quah question #3 - For people who work in front of a computer all day, how to minimize or prevent upper cross syndrome? (1:07:58) #Quah question #4 – Would Mind Pump ever create a personal training school? (1:15:05) People Mentioned: Enzo Coglitore (@enzocog)  Instagram Tay (@tayvalenz)  Instagram Bedros Keuilian (@bedroskeuilian)  Instagram Dr. Michael Ruscio (@drruscio)  Instagram Products Mentioned: December Promotion: Enroll in Any MAPS Program – 1 Year of Forum Access for FREE! Health IQ **Free Quote** Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Aptos Street BBQ Dragon's Breath Is Latest Dangerous Trend To Sweep Internet Social media outpaces print newspapers in the U.S. as a news source California proposes a plan to tax text messages iGen: Why Today's Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood--and What That Means for the Rest of Us – Book by Jean M. Twenge PhD Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked - Book by Adam Alter Grip strength in the frail elderly. - NCBI Prime Pro Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Do You Have Back Or Shoulder Pain? YOU NEED TO TRY THIS! | Mind Pump Mind Pump Free Resources

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Find out what the atomic sit up is or it's a messed up thing or it's just a call of the atomic fart. And it gives it away. We're kind of giving away. We're talking about social media overtaking old media as everybody's news source might not be a little stressed out one. We're talking about the difference between Igen and millennials. Adam drops some scientific knowledge. Some men. I middle of the day. Did I?

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ask to grasp? What happens if you haven't mowed your lawn in a while? Then you have to squat very little. Dad jokes. Good point. Next question. Moving on. When transitioning out of a dieting phase, should you decrease your cardio first while keeping your food intake lower, or should you increase your food intake first and keep your cardio in? If you're confused, don't feel bad. I had to reread that question to Adam. There's some sign language. The next question was, for people who work in front of a computer screen all day long, how can you minimize or prevent upper cross syndrome? This is where your shoulders roll forward, your head comes forward, and you look like

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You'll love it. Do you guys remember the Italian? Of course, you pull your pants down, you cover their eyes, and they do a sit-up, yeah. Wow, how does everybody know what this is? There was no internet back then. I know. It just spread. And it's also like urban legend. Why do guys do that?

That's like that's like borderline. It's gotta be it. It's not even inappropriate. That's like no, it's way past. Yeah We need to explain this isn't it in one of those isn't it in one of those 80s movies like Like for keys. Yeah, isn't it in one of those? I have never seen it anywhere. I learned it from a buddy of mine who was a wrestler and he said they learned it or whatever. So basically what you do is you tell a guy, I bet you can't do an atomic sit-up. Right.

And the new guy, right? I gotta tell the audience, cause they don't know what we're talking about. Okay, and I'm curious to hear your version. Okay, okay, cool, perfect. It's the same version. So like, you know, I bet you can't do an atomic sit-up and then everybody challenges them and you get them to get all riled up. Like, oh, you could do it. So you're like, you know, I bet you can't do an atomic sit-up and then everybody challenges them

and you get them to get all riled up. Like, oh, you could do it, uh, so they're like, all right, let's try it. So you're supposed to turn the lights down or off. You have them spin a bunch of times and they're supposed to, oh no, this is the, I am a totally different one.

Oh no, you make them spin a bunch of times, then they lay down and you put a towel over their head and their goal is to do a sit-up while they're pulling up on the towel. But what they don't know is there's another dude who has his pants down and his ass facing the dude. And then you let go of the towel and he smacks right into the butt. Oh, see, that's, we did it different.

So we would always do like a guy would do a sit-up, right? And you have to do a blindfolded. So you, it's a blindfolded sit-up with somebody else trying to resist you. Yes, with their hands. They're pushing you down. Yeah, you're trying to resist you. That's all we do. Other guys holding your ankles so you don't go anywhere. So you. Yes, with their hands. They're pushing you down. Yeah, you're trying to resist you. And so, other guys holding your ankles, so you don't go anywhere.

So you think he's holding your ankles, you're blindfolded, other dudes hold you down. And he's letting you try and get up and you're releasing it. And then right when it gets like six inches from there, you let go. And it's smack right in the gut. And it's like pants and underwear.

Yes. Yeah. Hold on a second. All the way in. You gotta be honest now, as an adult. I wasn't the guy that did it. As an adult explaining this. And it sounds like horrible. Yeah, horrific. It's not even, it's, I can't. You gotta be honest now, as an adult. I wasn't the guy that did it. As an adult explaining this, and it sounds like horrible.

Yeah, horrific. It's not even, it's, I can't even believe it's, it's better than eating tide pods. Yeah, you know what? You know what? That's true. Right? I guess we did have our step up on that.

Yeah. Oh, first guy. First guy. Could even make three minutes. I couldn't, I couldn't make three minutes. Alright, see you in the next guy. I knew it was gonna be sour. See you in the next time three minutes. I knew it was going to be south. Didn't you know? Oh, I figured it was.

But don't you think the version that we did was better because you have that you put the towel over their head? So that was a resisting against the towel. So you don't know I like that. I like that. Yeah, but we definitely didn't do the spinning around or anything like that. No. Yeah. If you really wanted to say I've seen it like that. I've seen somebody behind them like holding on to the towel and they're trying to. Yeah, because that way it makes sense that they onto the towel and they're trying to come up. Cause that way it makes sense that they don't see is they're also pulling. Exactly.

So you don't tell them I'm blind for that. Right. I have seen it done that. You've seen it done that way. I've seen it do that. I've seen it like twice. I would just summer camps. Like these summer camps, everybody thinks they're like,

oh, you know, it was like a Christian camp and everything. And it was like, you guys were, there was like the worst stuff you've ever seen. Yeah, this is fucked up. It's like, the idea is going on. It's, there goes to over two. Oh, that is, that is. That is too damn.

You lasted the longest. You did. That's what you did. If the audience knew, they would have bet against me too on that. For sure. You know what we'll do before the episode goes on? On the forum, and we'll see, we'll teleform,

somebody lost a bet tonight. Who was the bet? Yeah. Let's see what the guess what the bet was. Well, somebody's gonna make it. No, no, no, no, we'll tell them what the bet was. They'll vote on who lost it. We should also, yeah, we should also see,

like ahead of time and like get odds, you know, because I guarantee you'd be like, oh yeah, you know, I'm running. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're saying. He's cheese. I love my cheese.

Do you put cheese on your ribs today? No. Barbecue isn't have cheese. Man, that barbecue was. No, it was. That was good. It was good. Should you give him a shout out, Justin?

I should. Apptoss barbecue. Yeah, they're really good. Yeah. It's a the barbecue in San Jose is terrible. Yeah. I told you guys it's going to be good. That burger place is really good too. That Adam was talking about maybe we'll go there tomorrow.

Yeah. I'm down for that. Yeah. No, that sounds good. I'm absolutely down for that. But yeah, was there anything else that we did as kids that were like challenges and stuff? Because I remember the atomic sit up.

And you know the thing about that, that's crazy is if you're the kid that got picked to remember the atomic sit up. And you know the thing about that that's crazy is, if you're the kid that got picked to do the atomic sit up, if you got offended or but hurt, you're done, you're ruined. You're ruined. You had to laugh it off and then everybody's like, you're cool. If you were like, oh no! That's it, no friends anymore.

You're ostracized after that. You're completely out of the way. Well, it only works if there's one guy who doesn't know at all what's going on, and there's at least two other people that know what's going on in it, right? Because you've got to set it all up, right? Yeah. Oh, you know what, there's another one.

So this one's in construction. So I don't know. Maybe you guys both worked in construction for a little bit, right? Yeah. So this one I used to work with my dad, and they did this on one of the new workers there, where you challenge them and see if they can pick up a bag of cement, press it up off their head.

And a bag of cement is like 100 pounds and it's kind of awkward and hard. So people, you know, guys want to show that they're strong or whatever. So somebody stands behind them and says like, I'm going to spot you, but really what they have is a trowel in their hand. So when they push it up like this, you take the trowel and you slice the trowel.

And it just pours all over you. You guys have never seen that one? No, I haven't seen that. That is a classic. That's a classic prank. I have never seen that. That's a classic one. I gotta ask my dad that's funny.

No, I've done the one where you put the bucket in the door, like right over the door. No, that one's classic. I mean, everybody's done that. That's a classic one. There's another one where. Say three stooges, shit. Yeah. Oh, there you's class. I mean, everybody's done that. That's the classic. Yeah. There's another one where three stuages. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Oh, time stamp it. There was another one where you asked somebody, you tell them, oh, you're strong. You know, I'm stronger than you,

whatever. And they say, oh, can you lift me with your arms straight? So like, they'll put their arms straight and put their arms underneath your armpits. And they'll try and lift you, which it's like doing a front raise with a human. You're not going to be able to do that. And then you say, no, I can do it. And then you do it for them, but your body is behind them. So they don't know this pushing up on your hands. So they're underneath pushing up.

The guy doesn't feel it because your arms are here on their armpits and then you lift them up. Nobody ever figures it out. Nobody ever, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they lifted and they're like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, there's no magic. Yeah. And then oh, one more. There's the one with the spoon. Nobody ever I think they've been lifted and they're like what the hell's going on? Yeah, there's magic yeah, and then oh one more. There's the one with the spoon you ever do the spoon on the head one No, so I think I know I have what you just remind me of one that we used to do so you you do is you you Supposed to hold a spoon in your mouth and you hit them as hard as you can on the head

Yeah, and you say let's hit each other and so you can hit harder So he goes first and you can't hit that hard So he's like and you say let's hit each other and so you can hit harder so he goes first and you can't hit that heart So he's like you can't do it. So then he goes you're supposed to put your head down when you're about to hit so he puts his head down Yes, I'm a head on with those guys behind it with a spoon. It's awesome every time and every time they look up They're like that's exactly my other favorite one with the the shampoo where you just keep like keep applying the shampoo Over the stall as they're like washing their hair. I've seen that on YouTube. You're doing and going and going.

I've, yeah. I've seen that on YouTube. Oh yeah, people like at the beach showers or wash their hair. Take a picture of your hair. Just like, ah! I'm just gonna sell the soul. It just never stops. You know, just keep it.

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Really good with the lead pencil. And then you roll it to the side that's not shaded. And then we would run it down our forehead. And then we would pretend like we're trying to whistle and go, and someone would be like, what are you doing? And like, it's crazy. If you run this down your head, you can't whistle.

You can't, you do it like two more times. I remember the stuff. And then you hand it to them, just all non-shelon. And they just, they draw this big ol' pinto line right down their face. I remember that one. That's a good one, dude. I remember that one.

I mean, there was one I can't remember what it was, but it was like something about pinching your chin at the end. And like, I forget how you set them up to it. But I have never, doing this to one of my best friends, she's a girl and she's kept really trying to pinch her chin and hard, she stopped, she was bruised for like a week. Right there, why is she doing that?

I don't remember what the setup was for it. Just, I don't know. I don't know how to tear it. That ruined the whole thing. Sorry, it does, I know, I'm sorry. That's like me saying, and then they get a pie in the face. I don't remember how we do it. And you're some punchline, and that's it. Sorry, it does I know I'm sorry. It's like me saying and then you get and then they get a pie in the face punchline

Man, that's all that's all hilarious stuff. I had and then people play pranks on each other I had a buddy who put peroxide in his buddies shampoo What yeah, dude? That's my son. He was blonde I had a buddy who put peroxide in his buddy's shampoo. What? Dude, that's mess. He was blonde. He's like really, he's washing his hair and you know, messed up his hair. Well, I told, I think I told the next level right there. That's not cool.

I told the desitant story on here. Didn't I, the one where I got in trouble with my sister? I told you do it that again. I told that on here. The, we used, you know, you remember when you used to put shaving cream in someone's hand and then you tickled their face? Oh, and then it makes them then they, yeah. So I used to? I told that on here. We used, you know, you remember when you used to put shaving cream in someone's hand and then you tickle their face. Oh, and then it makes them nice.

Yeah. So I used to, I'm the old one. And that works, huh? Oh, yeah, works great. It's hilarious. It really does work. I mean, if you have somebody who's a really light sleeper, it doesn't work. But it's a 50-50 shot.

You're gonna do it to somebody who it totally works to and then someone else maybe not, right? Did you guys have a trend in your high school of all of a sudden everybody thought it was hilarious to just do the gnarliest wedgies on each other? Oh yeah. You guys did that too? The wedgies melvins was the front. So that was just a, I guess that was a nationwide phenomenon.

And what was that? Mountain grips, or someone walk up behind you and they grab, grab on anything. Oh yeah. But the wedgie was terrible because me and my buddies got so bad at it that I would literally clean and press somebody with their underwear. Like I'd get behind him and I'd grab him and just get an idiot. And I ripped underwars and half.

I ripped my buddies and underwars. So he got me really bad, right? He came up behind me, lifted me off the ground and I toppled forward. So I was like, you're gonna get it. And I waited. I think I waited like a month. He totally had no idea. And I got behind him and And I ripped him clean off his ass. And there was a little blow up there. I think I pulled him up too hard. That was the last time we two dancing was

huge too. At the same time, I remember your tall story. Yeah. Dancing your preacher. Yeah. Was your parents my dad in front of the preacher? Oh, dear. Out by the pool, the pool deck. And he, I didn't think, I thought he had a shorts tied like he had been doing because we had, it had bled into the home, right? It was, it was popular for us to do in junior high or wherever it was when we were doing this. That I would do it to my dad around the house and became this funny thing. You know that whenever we catch each other in the kitchen and you had sweat pants on, you had to be junior high because I got pantsed and junior high real bad.

Like it was like around a bunch of group of girls and everything, my friend got me like, and I just, the joke, the words come down. Yeah, but thankfully it wasn't cold out rain, but I was like more of a, you know what I'm saying? I just got that. I just got that out there. But yeah, I was like, the move is what,

do you pull them up real fast? No, you just kind of have to be like, no big deal. Thank you. I pretended that it was no big deal. And I was just like, you know, just like, my fans and then just kind of walked away and was like, oh my god. That was actually that was exactly what you were doing. At least in my school when you're growing up, like you were always targeting your friends on the front of girls. Yeah, you're trying to embarrass hilarious. That's what it was about. That's what it really was Bullying you go boy. You would be called bullying right now. You go to jail You would get buttons seriously if you panced your buddy in front of a bunch of girls They would someone would press charges. Yeah, but that's what you did

You were a meaghan's law or whatever. Yeah, you're targeting your buddies when they were talking to a group of girls at high school or whatever. We really worked terrible back then, weren't we? Yeah, but we didn't eat tide pods. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't eat tide pods. What's the other thing they do today? I guess that's the thing.

You don't need to do anything else. You really don't. No, you know, who told me who brought up the propane blowing out of your mouth? I saw that. I guess it's the thing that they're sucking and proplane and blowing it out in fire to make a like fire breath or whatever. That could very easily blow your shut up. I can't see how that would go wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Makes no sense. I used to pull up next to, I'd pull up next to cars and if there was a girl in the car on my passenger side, so on the other side of my car and my buddy was in there, I'd pull up next to the car and I'd honk my horn and I'd roll his window down. So I'd be like,k my horn and I'd roll his window down So I'd be like, man, I'd roll it down. So he's like Anyway, I got some I got I got a cool article here. I want to bring up to you guys So they did this huge Study this huge research study the pew Pew research study I should say,

Pew, that found that social media, I believe for the first time, overtakes newspapers as a new source for all Americans. Yeah, it's like, people get there. I feel like we already knew that. Twitter is where everybody goes to get the first hand, like, you know, whatever article comes out, that's where it comes from.

So right now, TV is still the number one consumption platform. It's at 49% of adults get their news from TV. Second is news websites at 33%. Radio as at three is number three and social media and is after that. But it's flying up right now. It's a matter of time before all those other mediums are dead You know how crazy is that because the thing about social media is doesn't it? Doesn't it pick have algorithms to kind of show you what you want? Yeah to read or whatever

Yeah, do you guys notice that on your thing? Oh totally. It's getting better and better. That's the crazy part Yeah, that's why it's gonna take more and more discipline for us As consumers to not consume so much because it's you're take more and more discipline for us as consumers to not consume so much because you're always going to be fed the articles you want, you're always going to be advertised to the things that you want. It's going to take a lot of self-discipline for people. It's going to be interesting to see how we... You have to actively search out for things that you normally would not, that's opposing

your view or whatever. Yeah, or just practice abstaining from a lot of things, right? Because everything is going to be at your fingertips and for relatively cheap or whatever. Yeah, or just practice abstaining from a lot of things, right? Because everything is gonna be at your fingertips and for relatively cheap or free. The thing about the social media phenomenon with news that's a little bit worrisome is that, and we're talking about this right now, is how, you know, it definitely can shape and mold

how you feel about the world. We've known this for a long time. Like, have you guys ever just stopped looking at the news can shape and mold how you feel about the world. We've known this for a long time. Have you guys ever just stopped looking at the news because you're just fed up, you're stressed out and then all of a sudden life seems better. Just think about it. All the crazy shit you read in the news,

how often do you see that in front of you? It's almost never, right? I know, well, the thing is we're always looking for that. We're always looking for problems and the news provides you with a ton of problems. And it's like, we can focus on that so easily. And then it becomes like wherever we are, that becomes like all of a sudden now we're there too. Well, well, even worse is if you have a particular belief system, and then all the news articles just continue to support that belief system, is that going to push people to be more extreme

in their opinions and views? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, if you think, you know, immigration is illegal, illegal immigration is absolutely worse thing to happen, for example. And you're picking articles like that and they continue to feed into that. You may think that that is, and I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying it may make your views more extreme in that regard.

Even if you're a pro, you know, socialist type government or whatever, you keep you reading articles that can because they're popping up, because those are ones you click on, and they're going to, you know, radicalize you in essence. We're finding, yeah, we're finding that right now with people in, in politics, the, the, the people who, who labeled themselves as Republicans and who, and people who labeled themselves as Democrats and people who label themselves as Democrats are more extreme than they've ever been. Although there is a larger segment now that's independent, which is good.

More people identify that one. Yeah, it does. I mean, well, again, is that just the media showing us the extremes, you know, in terms of like articles that they put out, like everybody's becoming extreme, or is it? That's a good question or good point because it's in their best interest to make you think that the other side is just terrible. Because usually, I mean, I try and check myself on that a bit

because when I talk to people in person, I haven't really come across many, like really extreme people like that. They stick out, you know, like it's, they're there, of course, but it's just like, when I tend to talk to people one to one, they're a little bit more rational in their thinking and they consider other people more, I just feel like the media is really, sometimes I want to separate us that way. Sometimes I wonder though if that's because we're in our, you know, bubble, because we

are in, we're in northern central California, which is like, we have a blend of all that. So it doesn't seem like there's a dominant. You go to overmelting pot here. Yeah, it's definitely more of a melting pot. So it seems a little more balanced, uh, somewhat. I mean, where we're at, like you get, you start getting more, more north, you get one way, you get more south, you get a little, more north, you get one way, you'll more south, you get a little bit more, but I feel like there's, there's a little more radical

views in different states that are, uh, California's got, I mean, if you want to, if you talk about, like political, on the political spectrum, on the liberal side, or the California is about as liberal as it gets, yeah, like San Francisco, like that way, out there. Yeah, I'm talking about San Jose. Yeah, San Jose, Northern, Northern, Northern Central. Like that's sure, sure, sure, sure. It's a little more mixed, right? It is a little bit, but we're, we're considered about as extreme.

I mean, they're passing a law or not, not, they're not passing it. Excuse me. The proposing, we'll see if it passes a, a new law in California. It's making its rounds where they want to tax your texting. What? They want to tax texting. Did you not see this?

No, I remember you mentioned it. I was just trying to be so fucked. Yep. You would be. I'm trying to find the article right now. Spulch it. Maybe we should get some talk together. Maybe Doug can find it. But they're trying to tax texting in order to provide cheaper phones or phone services

for people who can't afford it. So they're trying to subsidize your texting. Have you paid for people who can't necessarily, I don't know, to help them out, whatever. I think they're just trying to control, just get some more money. Can't, can we just have some charity? Yeah, I'd love to read that R quad I remember you sitting that oh, yeah, no, it's legit. I don't know if you can find it dug up and see an in business

What is it saying? There's California regulators want to tax text messages to increase funds for programs that bring Connectivity to underserved residents. Yep, there you go. They just want to find anything. You know what's funny about that? Is that good luck trying to tax texting because I guarantee you the second they do that, there will be an app that will allow you to, and everybody will start, we'll get a text with their phone and we'll just start using a steal all through the internet. The text free, you know, tax-free texting.

Done. That's already going to happen. I sort of got cool like they will tax anything Well, isn't that what like what's app is isn't what's up set up that way because you can text and talk to people on the phone Exactly, how would they charge you for that? Yeah, you know a problem is in like so what was it that one company in China that? I forget what with the name of the company was, but they basically had that same kind of service where it was internet. You could do internet calls, you do internet, I think it might have been Huawei, text is, text, but like they were able then to like monitor everybody's stuff because it's like through their private agreement.

Oh yeah. And so they monitor, they're getting all this like data information over everybody that way. Who would have thought texting would have got as big as it did anyway to think, if you think about it, like if you had brought this up. No, it sounds like it's backwards. Yeah, because you just want to talk to somebody, you know, rather than writing or typing.

I would have never guessed it. Would you have guessed that? No. Before all that. No, it doesn't seem like it'd be as convenient as it is, but it's so much more convenient. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it allows us to multitask, right?

And be concise. You don't have to get, you don't have, and then there's that awkwardness of, that's what it is. I think people really, I think people really don't want to talk to each other a lot of times, but they want to send something, they want to say something they don't want to talk to. Well, you see that when you see the extreme of like what Inzo shared with us, what I thought was really fascinating to me. When he talked about if you were,

if you're at a high school party and there's a girl in your high school that you're interested in and she's at that party and she's across the room, what you will do is you'll pull up your phone and you'll add her, try and, friend request her on her Facebook.

To see, she, she, she'll give you the time. Exactly. If she, if she'll even give you the time, she will then accept you as a friend that now gives you the ability to message her on your own. And you messenger, you're kidding me. She's at the party.

Yes. You're both at the party. She's across the room. So, and then you'll wait until she responds. Once she responds, then you would go and engage and go say, hi, wow, they're like writing. What? Yeah, totally. And then you'll wait until she responds once she responds, then you would go and engage and it goes say hi. Wow They're like writing new rules. Yeah, totally, you know, I almost I almost feel like who actually talks about this and says

You know when you have old guys I guess that like I call scared about it, right? They're like they're just learning a new way of Communication. Yeah, they're it's it's and in their eyes. It's faster and more efficient and You know less drama no no heartache, no whatever. Like, that's just how you communicate. It's not your less challenging. You don't have to go. She doesn't, she doesn't add me. I don't gonna walk her in any way.

It shuts down. Yeah, why would I walk over there and get shut down if she wouldn't even add me on Facebook? Too easy, don't you think? Don't you? Oh, I totally agree with, I already know where you're going with this and I agree with you. Don't you think if you could go fascinating as fast as well?

I was gonna say don't you think if you were a kid now knowing what you know that if you went if you went to a party that you would be able to just go up to a girl and she'd be like, oh my god, it came up and talked to me and it would be such a big deal. It'll be awesome. I feel like you'd be having advantage if you didn't do that now. Totally. That's crazy. Like working out.

I don't know. Yes and no. I mean, I don't know. Or I still think I still think no matter what the process that you would still have to go through is after you talk to her, you go home after later on that night and you go to friend her. And if she didn't friend you, then you just wasted that time. Right? Like you then you'd be like, fuck, why didn't I even go over there and talk to her? She wasn't gonna frame me on Facebook. So just, that's the order now. That's the order of how they decide

they're gonna go communicate with somebody who. They've just like literally distilled it all the way down to that. Crazy. Adam, you read that book, I Jen, right? Yeah. You did read that whole book. Great book.

I was reading an article on it and- That book is really like, if you're a numbers person and you like, it's a lot of like charts and Grat was I love that stuff. I wasn't expecting that I Really really like it because irresistible was more of a kind of scare you angle for warning Yeah, kind of like that and and kind of gave some some serious comparisons to it and you even had some drug and gave some serious comparisons to it. And you even had some drug comparisons to the addiction of social media and stuff, where

Igen was literally just, here's the, let's present the studies. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean good or bad. Yeah, exactly. And in fact, they kind of even put a positive spin on some of the things. Well, this generation is, although they are not as social, they're much more high right here, far more intelligent and, you know, they go through all the positives and they bait, they show you it in graphs. And so I like that.

And then I can come up with my own conclusion. Well, I've read some statistics right here in this article. And it's saying that between 2012 to 2016, and that's four years, the amount of men, young men, who answer affirmatively to the question, do you have a psychological disorder like depression, etc. It rose 126% in just four years. And for women, it went up 150%. Yeah, it increased pretty dramatically. There's a lot of other things in here that I'm looking at., you know, it's getting a lot worse.

And they're thinking that it has to do with the, just how connected people are with the, with the phones and just that book was there was so I actually my buddy who's a principal at a high school gave a talk on social media and all this stuff. He actually, he actually, I passed that book on to him and he said it was incredible. He built his whole presentation around that book. What? Nice. Yeah, just to present it to just to present it to all he said it was incredible. He built his whole presentation around that book. What? Nice. Yeah, just to present it to all the, it was a presentation for all the staff.

The students are up for the staff. Okay. So the staff was aware. So they can understand, like, this is what's happening right now. I think I'm gonna have my son read that book, I gen. I think it's an, I think it's a, anybody who has a kid that I think is,

that's your guys is kids age or younger, I think that's a mandatory book as a parent. I really do. And why I think that what I like about it is, again, it lets you, it presents the information. You can decide as a parent if you how stringent you want to be on certain things and how you want to go about it, but it's like, the numbers are the numbers. Like there's, there's, it's a fact this shit is happening. Do you remember the distinctive characteristics between millennials versus the I-Genres? They're all, there's some different things like they. I-Genres are more, they're more interested in like money

and like working hard, right? More so than millennials. Millennials are like, I just want to find my passion. Yeah, looking for purpose all the time. I want to, I mean, to me it's like, compare Taylor and Inzo. I mean, to me, it's like, compare Taylor and Enzo. I mean, to me, they're good examples of their generations. You see the I-Gen and Enzo with his drive and work ethic, and I mean, the kid is so accomplished for how young he is already.

It's so impressive. And then you see the motivation that Taylor has with, he desires, he desires, a ton of vision, autonomy and creativity and over even money. So those are the stereotypes that you read about those two generations. Yeah. And I would say that they fit that and they have many characteristics like that. I've heard that, especially with a lot of the startup, you know, boom, like millennials were really, you know, a part of all that. And then, uh, I guess the, the generation, you know, coming up, you know,

from that, we're looking more for stable, stable jobs. Yeah. I know a lot of that book really helped me to with just managing and leading all them too. I mean, it gives me a different perspective of like the way their wheels, but I, I still, I, obviously, I think I connect more with inzo's mentality because it's closer to ours. Similar to our, yeah, Taylor is much more different. So I have to, I was saying, sharing that with you the other day, it's like, I have to think completely

different when communicating with them. And it's challenged me as a leader more than anything else in my past. The difference between our generation is it's just, it was acceptable to be hard, to be really hard on someone or to be really brass. You know what the irony and that is, don't you feel like your dad would say that too about his generation? You're gonna more so. Compare to you. Yeah, right. It's gotta be. I should hit you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I did do my work, I punched in the face. Yeah, I guess that, I guess it kind of, I know my grandfather used to get lighter. And you went to yeah, right. I went to you. Did your grandfather would say it even more so?

Even it's different. Oh, you're your papa had it so easy. Well, it's different though because my grandpa, I mean, my grandfather was a poor and in Sicily. So it's a very different. My grandfather at 13 years old, this is true now. I remember once I was over my grandparents house and my grandmother had an old box of photos and she pulls out this photo and I was probably, I don't know, 17 years old when I was looking at this and there was this boy covered in soot like his face was all dirty, torn clothes, one shoe, like the toes row, and the other shoe was, you know, kind of a little bit better and you had this,

you know, basket over a shoulder on either side with potatoes And I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm like, who's this? She's like, that's your grandfather like what? She's like, yeah, she goes He was a kid he'd be tan 11 12 years old and he would sell potatoes and he would get up onto the top of the train or on the side of the train Because he couldn't afford a ticket and he'd write it into places walk in as a 12 year old boy and try and find work or sell potatoes or whatever. And my grandfather would, you know, he didn't like talking about it too much, but one thing that I noticed about my grandfather that kind of confirmed all this because later on I asked, you know, how the hell is this possible? My grandfather could eat the hottest food and I don't mean

spicy, like spicy food. I mean, hot is in temperature. He could eat the hottest food and I don't mean spicy like spicy food. I mean hot is in temperature He could eat the hottest food Like ever and eats it so fast It's like we always we used to joke around and say they get as best doses in his mouth like my grandmother would bring out a bowl of Pasta that was steaming you burn your mouth on it. There's no way you can get it's gonna burn your mouth You can't have it and you'd have a spoon in one hand and a fork in the other hand You ever seen someone eat pasta with a spoon in a fork? It's served. Yeah, and a whole bowl, it would about four bites.

You'd go, it's 12, four times, all gone. And all of us would be like, how the, and one day when I was right around that 17 years old, I told them, I said, how me and my cousin were like, how do you eat food so hot? And he's like, oh, I'm just tough for whatever. And we go back and forth. And finally, we pressed it.

We pressed them. I'm like, what do you do? And he goes, when I was a kid, when I was 12 or 13, I'd go work for these landowners. And they'd hire all these men, and they'd hire boys, and they'd hire whatever to work for them. And in the middle of the day, they would bring out a massive pot of like boiling

hot, like fava beans or other types of beans or pasta. And that's how they'd feed the workers. And he says, if I didn't eat that food when it was hot, I wouldn't eat any food because I was a kid. All the older men would eat it all and I'd be, I'd starve. He's like, so I learned how to eat. So he would get it out and eat it. And and you learn how to eat that way until this day That's how the guy eats his pasta was pretty funny Because pretty crazy. That's hilarious I think I think it's always just as hard. It's just different. Yeah, right? So I think like like I think when your grandfather says who think it's just this hard. I do I really do

It's a different kind of justice hard. I think we perceive it is How I don't think it's just as hard. No, no, no, we define hard though, right? And because you could say, you could say that the mental, the mental discipline that it takes to not over consume because we have we have we have where we have so much food like you, there was a time where you would eat as much as you could eat if you could because it was hard to come by. Yeah, because I didn't get this

the right. And so you didn't have to worry about weight You don't worry about diabetes you don't to worry about these things that that plague us now And that's now a big that's a huge thing that people a different problem right? It's a total different problem. We have different problems, but I would definitely not say it's as hard No way I would I would not trade my stresses and my problems for the stresses and problems of my Oh, I agree. I'm not entirely, didn't get eaten in a row. I like to think I hacked the system,

and I get it. You know what I'm saying? I like to say it. I wouldn't trade. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying that it's, there, when you look at all the things that we're dealing with right now, as far as not personally, but as collectively,

like what has a society what we deal with, there's other things that, of course generations, hundreds of years ago didn't have to. Of course, there's different problems. I think we're way better off, it's not easy. I mean, do you know how laborious it was to be a housewife, like 70, 80 years ago? Do you know labor is that was?

How much hard work? And I don't mean like hard, like it's not hard work now. I mean like physical hard work right to like cook a meal but you had to cook every meal because of that I bet she had great heart health. I bet she was strong. I bet she had good energy levels. I bet her stress was lower. I bet there was a lot of positive carryovers because she had to do that to survive. 40 year olds look like they were 60 because they were scrubbing the clothes on the metal thing and they were cooking all the food from scratch and they had the scrub potions powering your own food killing your own food. I mean, no way, man. You ever look at pictures of like, of old pictures of people from the 1950s and you look at them,

like, wow, that looks really good. And they find out that it was a 20 year old. That do looks like he's 38. Well, part of that too is, part of that is us getting smarter too, right? We've evolved, we've understood science, we've gotten a lot smarter about what to eat, how to move, how to do things. So, there's so many things that have evolved this. Yeah, and they, I mean, and you know, there, what's interesting though I find is,

well, no life expectancy's gone up generally quite a bit. But I had relatives like, I've told you guys about my great-grandfather. Guys, he changed smoke cigarettes since he was 13. Like constantly smoke cigarettes since the age of 13. The guy was 90, I think 91 or 92 when he died. That's crazy. That didn't affect him.

That's crazy to me. It's interesting how that affects some people. And others not so much. Oh, we got to have to mention Health IQ. We're supposed to talk about them in today's episode, but I will say, just off that topic,

my cousin who, you know, just got married and I was talking about life insurance, he works out, he was already going through another company, had him go on Health IQ, better price. I don't know shit. Because he's fit.

Well, you see, they're bringing back the quiz more aggressively. Now, I remember when we first did it, I don't know shit. Cause he's fit. Well, you see they're bringing back to quiz more aggressively. Now, I remember when we first did it, I don't know if you guys knew this or not, but when we first did it, and we didn't even mean to do this, we were just having fun with it. We took them on the very first time when they first sponsored the show,

and they had that quiz, and that was like their way of capturing opt-ins. It's like your fitness and health knowledge. Yeah, but they scored it, so we turned it into like a competitive thing amongst the three of us. And then it just matched, it just reformed, like, destroy it. Oh, then it went crazy, right?

And so they actually shut that down for a while on us and said, please don't talk about that. And promote it. Yeah, because we were sending to many people. Yeah, just to me leads. And of course, all the more quality leads. And so they were like, we were getting flooded with all these people that were just wanting to

just wanted to be competitive with us. They just wanted to outscore wanting to be competitive. I like the quiz. I think it's brilliant. No, I think so too. Well, what's funny is when you apply, you do fill things out that ask you about your fitness knowledge. It's part of the process. Right, right, right. Because they want to know, you know, that's the way that they are able to give you a specific. It's pretty specific too. I was impressed. It's not just like generic. That's what I was talking to you walk or you know do you eat good healthy food with healthier vegetables or chips you know exactly exactly they were I saw them advertising between one of the basketball games on I think TNT means oh well yeah health IQ every time I see that like snap a shot of it or

what I thought I said a tailor I always think that's pretty neat especially when it's a company that we started working with a while ago. Well, I used to piss me off because I got life insurance before. And I remember the, my weight was a little high, but it's because I carry muscle. And I remember how irritated I got with that. Like that's so stupid. There should be a big difference between because I carry more muscle than if I'm

obese or whatever. Oh, yeah, I just can't believe they still run off BMI. Like when you go to the doctor, I'm just like, come on. It's because they need something. They need something tangible. No, not just tangible, but super black and white. Well, because you have to understand we're still grossly the minority. I mean, we just pull that stuff.

Most people of high BMI means you're fucking right. Yeah, for the majority, it probably means because there's 80% 80% of the people aren't lifting weights So 80% of people aren't changing their body composition like that So that thing that chart probably is pretty damn accurate for the average person who doesn't lift weight I'm pretty yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm almost positive that soon. They're gonna include a grip test in the health assessment I would love that of the elderly you think so? Yeah, and of the elderly, it's going to start there, for sure. Now speaking of grip tests, by the way, when they do grip tests now on kids, that the average 20 year old male today has a far weaker grip than the average 50 year

old did. I remember when you brought that up way back when we did the, we talked about the declining male or whatever, right? Yeah, right. Oh, do we bring that? And then also like throwing grenades or something like that? They had to like take it out of the basic training or something because they can throw it. You can't throw it.

Throw it. Like we lost that utility. What the hell? That's so strong with it. Hey, if you lose a war because you can't throw a fucking grenade like more than five yards. Oh my god. It's gonna be lower than that, right? It was short. It wasn't that far. Yeah. I remember right. People's gonna be longer than that, right? It was short. It wasn't that far. Yeah. If I remember right, I don't know how far I'm going to go.

I don't know. It's not five yards. Yeah, but imagine being part of the group that was there when the guy that was throwing it like that couldn't clear the five yards. Hey, you imagine it. Oh, man. You throw this thing right in front of them.

Fuck. They're dad never ties. He's like, yeah, you push. That push throw. No, my guy. No, but I think they're gonna never ties. He's like, yeah, he's gonna push the push throw. No, my guy. No, but I think they're gonna. I think they're gonna charge it. You're like, oh, we're gonna deal with this.

We're gonna die. I think they're gonna include the grip test in the elderly for sure. We're the, because what they're finding is it's a good general test of overall strength and it's a good predictor of all cause mortality and health in the elderly. So I think that pretty soon when they test, you know, people in advanced age, that'll

be part of the testing. They'll do blood tests, whatever. And then it'll be because it's so easy, they'll give them something to squeeze, they squeeze it. Oh, do you really think it's that good of an indicator? It is because yes, it is. Now it's not a good indicator if all you do is train your hands. So like if an old person takes that test, it's like, I need to pass the test. Then just works on the

hand. I'm cracking wall nuts all day. Yeah. No, it's it's but if but generally speaking, if you if you have a weak grip, you're probably weak. You probably have mobility and strength issues. I find it interesting how quick we can fluctuate that. Like there's been times just in the last two years where I can feel a significant difference in my ability to hold onto a 500 pounds on a barbell versus like 300. Yeah, no, it's just because based on how much you train or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, but here's the thing.

Your grip's always strong. You know what I'm saying? It just goes from strong to really strong. If you have a weak grip, generally speaking, a weak grip will tell, it's a pretty good indicator to the fact that, oh, there's generally low, so they're going to give them a low threshold. It's not like they're like, oh, you've got to squeeze 100 pounds. It's probably like, yeah, your score, you know, you're scoring less than five pounds of grip strength.

We need to work on your overall strength. Yeah, you don't have a lot of muscle activity. Yeah, and you're more likely to fall, you know, lose your balance, break a bone. What do you think that is? You think that's just a decline of the CNS, just kind of damping down. Do you think that's what that is? Well, you know, pruning everything that hasn't been operated. You're losing your muscle and losing connection to the muscle.

Yeah. You know, it used to be, you know, 80, 90 years ago where people hurt themselves because they did too much work. Now people hurt themselves because they do too little. It used to be like that. You know the old adage, like, oh, lay down, you need to relax and rest. You can't tell that to old people anymore. Now you're like, no, get up, get up and move.

They don't sit. Yeah, the reason why they did that back then is because I'm 70 years old. I've been breaking rocks since I was, you know, 15 years old. It's probably going to help me to sit on the down and relax a little bit. And my back hurts because of it or whatever. Yeah, they're doing some real shit. Yeah, now it's not the opposite. So, which is probably why our life expectancy is increasing because we're not hammering our bodies our entire lives. Yeah, it's starting to flatten out. It takes longer to die,

yeah, just being lazy. Yeah, I think we're keeping ourselves alive longer, but we're not having like good life uh, throughout the whole time. And I mean, I think the last five to ten years is just shit. I wonder if we will see in our time mandatory exercise that is based off like your contract if you work for a company like you I get hired on and part of that is I have to exercise X amount of days per week just because the company could be if we continue going the direction we're going, right?

With obesity and heading that way to where it gets so, so crazy bad that companies are like we have to do something about this and they, and you mandate it. Or they pay you more or they pay you more because you cost them less on the health insurance. I mean, I would love this. That would be the better way to do it. It would be the better way to do it. That would be great.

And I think with like health insurance, I would love to see a health insurance company that's just for people who are healthy and fit. You know what I mean? So you don't pay a million dollars for health insurance because how often do I go to the doctor and require you know, all this stuff? Of course, on the other end of the extreme if you're an extreme athlete

You're probably gonna have expensive health insurance because you're gonna break something That's totally to some of the other side. I was gonna ask you Adam How did you like that? Did you finally try the pure? I did I've actually been so what do you think? I like it Right. Yeah. Yeah, no. I like it. I'm on okay. Let's see here. I've had Five days in a row with it now. What do you notice from it? I just tried it today All right. What do you guys notice of it from it? I want to I want to see how it compares to life. I like to in comparison to any of the other sort of new tropic blends or anything else we've tried. Like it's very smooth and I didn't get any. Was it the

main one that has Gabba in it that that one didn't well not Gabba. It's I forget the rodeola. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it is. not GABA it's I forget the rodeo. Oh yeah yeah yeah I think that's what it is yeah whenever it was wasn't in there and I was really happy about that's in the focus aid that's what's in the focus aid. Oh yes that's what I'm talking about. Yeah yeah so this this was a very nice like clean that's why I don't like to I don't like to focus aid either for that reason too and I and what I think why I think I like it or what I'm looking at it, I think it's because it doesn't have a ton of crazy stuff. Like I don't need much for that.

And it just feel clear. You know, I don't feel jittery. I don't feel like I had a bunch of cat. Yeah, it's not as stimulant. No, it doesn't feel like a stimulant. I just feel clear, clear headed. That's all. That's what I noticed too.

Yeah, I noticed it's got a genuine. But it doesn't taste good. It tastes bad. I like the taste. No, I don't like the a genuine. But it doesn't taste good. It tastes bad. You know, I like the taste. No, I don't like the taste though. You really know, it's not bad, but it's like, it could be. Well, I can say, organify always has like, like all their joints. Yeah, all their joints.

They're the best green jarring in the market, in my opinion. Period. Yeah, period. I think the orange is the best. They're gold. Oh, the gold gold gold gold. I say orange. Oh man. It's contagious. Yeah, gold. They're gold. Gold. Gold. I say, Oh, man. It's contagious.

Yeah. Gold. The gold juices is incredible. Yeah. No, and and they have the chocolate one now. All their stuff is that so the pure least favorite taste. Well, yeah, if you're going to compare all to those, yeah, I mean, it's not a bad. I think you have to. If you're going to talk about it, but it's a small amount though. That's why. And it's also, um, it's because it has apple cider vinegar. That's what you're tasting. Oh, you're tasting the apple cider vinegar. It's because it has apple cider vinegar, that's what you're tasting.

You're tasting the apple cider vinegar. It's hard to make apple cider vinegar. The thing that they did, yeah, the thing that they did with pure that I'm actually quite impressed with is it, yes, it has the components that are supposed to be your, what are we getting from apple cider vinegar?

That's more gut. That's what I'm about to say. So it's got lion's mane and a couple of the things that actually improve cognitive function over time. So what you would consider your Neutropics. But then it has other things in it that are good for gut health. Now why would you put that in a Neutropic? Because the connection between gut... The serotonin and your...

Yeah, gut health and brain clarity or mind clarity, it's very strong. Now that's interesting. That's the first... Interesting. It's the very first Neutropic type of product that I've seen has something in there that's supposed to also improve your gut health. Now that's interesting. Yep, I didn't know that.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah, so that's what you're tasting when you say don't like the taste. Well, I know, I think it was you who told me that it's better for me to be kind of consistent with it, right? It's a compounding effect. Yeah, the lion's mane. So lion's mane has been shown to increase BDNF in the brain, brain derived neurotropic

factor, which is like this. It's basically like miracle grow for the brain. If you have a lot of it in your mind, in your brain, it's supposed to be healthy for the neurons and neuroplasticity. It's supposed to be able to learn better and fast for a lot of stuff. But anyhow, lion's mane itself, if anybody listening wants to look it up, you can look up lion's main studies, just Google that, and you can see that it's got some pretty interesting research behind it for cognitive function, in particular, to help people with declining

cognitive function. So there's, I think Japan, if I'm not mistaken, is looking at lines made for potential pharmaceuticals for their aging population. I don't know if you guys know this, but Japan has a very, very, very large aging population. In fact, in something like 10 or 20 years, the average person in Japan is going to be like 50 or something like that. It's insane. And so they're all worried about it. And so they're spending a lot of money on like how to keep people sharp, how to prevent things like Alzheimer's. Right.

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Try Organified, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's o-r-g-a-n-i-f-i.com, and use a coupon code minepump for 20% off at checkout. BELL RINGS Our first question is from Johnny ASDF. What up Johnny? Hey Johnny! If mobility allows would it be better to develop an astagrass squat over a conventional squat? You know it's funny that this

question keeps getting asked. It's why I picked this one. Here's the thing about resistance training. It's pretty conclusive that a fuller range of motion is going to develop more muscle. If you want faster results, you want to train in the fullest range possible, that you have control over. So that's why I want to add that caveat. You have to have control. Yeah. You have to have control over so that's why I want to add that that caveat you have to have control Yeah, you have to have control over a range of motion Otherwise you shouldn't train in a range of motion, but that being said let's say you only have enough control and stability To do a squat down to 90 degrees

Will you benefit from training yourself to have control and stability over an additional 10 degrees so you can go the lower Will that benefit you absolutely? control instability over an additional 10 degrees. So you can go the lower. Right. Will that benefit you? Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's a good measure as far as like a 10 degree kind of threshold. I think that if you have that in mind and you're not really

trained to overpress your abilities currently, you have to really consider that. But it, man, you can literally stretch that capacity just by training for that. And then once you get in that position, you know, training your body to react appropriately and be able to generate force from there, it's possible. I think we should always be trying to get to a point where a conventional squat is an asterisk squat. Like, I think that if you can't get asterisk right now, then you go to as deep as you can until form breaks down. Whether that be 90 degrees, 10 degrees beyond parallel, 15 degrees, 20 degrees.

You want to play with the edge, right? You want to take it to the edge till you break down, right? That's where you want to come back up. But then ultimately, you should be continually trying to progress that. I mean, I'm still, I just did an Instagram story, or not story, but a post and me sitting out. So I've gotten to the point where my hips,

I've done so much work on my ankle mobility and my hip mobility, I can sit, ask to grasp now. But I don't fully own it there because I still want to round forward at the bottom. And I still am not at a point where I have that good of thoracic mobility in that deep of a squat. So I'm working on that right now. It's interesting that these camps are completely split.

You have like old school like where we're just trying to increase load and that's like our measure that we're always on focusing on the mind is like, you know, how much incrementally can I increase the load and then or you got the mobility side of it where everybody's just trying to get that depth, that range of motion that be able to sit like to where my ass is literally touching the ground and I can get out of it but I can't really do it loaded. Right. You know, I just feel like where's the middle ground with that? Where's I feel like I live in that? I really you should be able to add load. That's that's my point. You should you you should even add load not just be able to do it. Right, right, right. Again, I don't think you necessarily you don't own it as well. If you can't add load to a new range of motion just because I

can get into a range of motion and then you put, you know, 45 pounds on my back. I'm not teaching that on the mobility campsite, is what I'm in my point now. Yeah, you either are all the way like the mobility guru and you neglect heavy loaded squats and all that. You almost, it's a very big gap between the two. But I think you can absolutely do both. I mean, again, this is where I'm most proud

of our prime and prime pro. I mean, I think when you think about something that most people should be, it should be in everybody's toolbox, whether you live in it or it's something that you refer to for things like this, where it's like, Hey, yeah, I can't get Asagra's Great Squad. The tools are in there to correct that in you to help you fix that, right? So that's where I think you apply that while still going through a map center ball or a map systetic and going through a program, but then you are using the tools

that you've learned from Prime and Prime Pro to address those things along the journey. Yeah, here's why both extremes are wrong, okay? Let's look at from an athletic standpoint. Let's just start from there. Let's say being stronger in athletics typically means you're gonna be safer when you're not exerting maximal strength because your maximal

strength capacity is much higher. So you're safer with stronger activities because you're so much stronger than you would be if you didn't use a lot of body. We'll allow you to generate more force because you can actually. But if you don't have good range of motion or good, you know, if you don't have a wide range of motion with that strength, well, the second you move out of that range of motion that you have control over, now you can, you can really

hurt yourself. Now on the flip side, you can have great mobility, but if you can't handle load in any of that mobility, then you're what you saw you on the, on the field or in any of that mobility, then what you saw you on the field or any of the sport. It's functional to have both strength and range of motion. Of course, the idea is what we're talking about, which is control and strength within a wide range of motion. For muscle building purposes, they're both very important. Of course, one can be more important in some circumstances.

You can go two extreme in one direction or the other. For example, load is very important, but if I do a two inch squat with more load than way more load than I can do a full squat with, that's not gonna build more muscle. And on the other end of the spectrum, if I go butt to the, you know, ass to the grass squat,

but I had all I have control over it, so I can't do any weight. Well, that's not gonna build as muscle as a 90 pound, excuse me, a 90-degree squat with load. So you got to look at both of those, but I will say this, adding 10 degrees to your range of motion is probably going to build more muscle than adding 10 or 15 pounds

to the bar up to a certain point. Of course, range of motion can get really crazy. So I wouldn't suggest that, like when you're doing a peck fly with dumbbells that you're trying to get at the point where your hands touch each other behind your back. But you should be able to get a decent stretch and a decent, you know, range of motion with the weight and doing that will give you the best results.

Next question is from Cyrus T. Foo. When transitioning out of a dieting phase, would you decrease cardio first while keeping food intake lower? Or would you increase food intake first and keep more cardio in? This is a good question. Adam, I was going to ask you about this because do you understand the question? Yeah, I get like, you read it before Doug put it down and I wasn't sure what they were asking. I understand what they're asking now. First, I would preface this with saying that I don't think

there is necessarily a right or a wrong way with this. I think there's multiple ways that you can go after this. And I think maybe there's a difference between everybody. So I think that there's not like this one way, this is the way to do this. But I like to, when you come out of a cut, you gotta think I've been just restricting from, let's say I started at the beginning of my prep,

I was eating as much as 5,000 calories. Now come stage time, I'm all the way down to 2,500 calories plus 20,000 steps a day, which is a ton right? Right, so how would you reverse that? Right, so I like it's a little bit of both you know at the same time. Yeah at the same time so it's and I really would adjust My calories based off of my movement or vice versa. I would base my movement based off of my calories I would if you're going to Increase your calories, which you got to remember,

after a show, a lot of people love to feed. So if you know, you're going to probably be increasing that those calories like crazy, you most certainly don't want to start backing way off the cardio. If you're going to do that. Now, what do a lot of people do after contest? They cut, they'll just, oh, I'm not doing any cardio. And I'm you like I do everything I think they I think they all have good intentions not to and I think a lot of them will continue some cardio Afterwards while they're still doing it, but this is again, too Why I don't like to do very much cardio at all because I can just drop the little extra high intensity stuff that I was doing Keep my steps up which I've already disciplined myself to get up and do my walks and do this and do that. So that's not like I'm pushing a lot.

I would just lay off like my hit. Because I'm normally doing, when I'm starting to get towards the end of a prep, I'm getting hit in almost every day, and I'm getting like an hour walk in in the morning or something. And so all of a sudden, I'll just get rid of the hit, and I might even minimize all of a sudden, I'll just get rid of the hit and I might even minimize

some of the walking and I'll even increase my calories a little bit. And then I'll just ... How much do you increase them by? Well, it depends, it depends on my mood, but it could be anywhere as low as only increasing my calories, two or three hundred calories. It could be as high as five to eight. And a lot of that ... You know what's funny about that? You're coming from a place of 2,500 calories. Right, right. A lot of people's female competitors in particular will come out of a contest and they're eating 1100 calories and they'll go to eating 22, 2300 calories, which is like more than double.

That's not even exaggeration. I'll feed hard for two days afterwards and by hard meaning like back to what my where I'd want to be like at the 5,000, 5,000, I'll give back to back 5,000 days. I'm so depleted at that point. Yeah, but you're taking advantage of the yes. Yeah, and I'll get some of the amazing workouts. In fact, I normally will kind of keep increasing until I feel like I'm not getting any more benefits from it. Like after because you'll you'll increase the first day, you could you could only technically you could eat what the fuck you wanted and you would still have an amazing, amazing workout the

next day because you were so depleted. So depleted? Yeah, you're so depleted. But I don't like to do that. I mean, I've done that before in shows and I feel a fargic after the fact and where I, what I feel good is I'll have two or three high days in a row because I've been so depleted with high meaning back to what I started prep at like 5500 calories or so. And then I would start to lower back down something what was closer to where I was on cut. So then

I would drop back down to that 25 to 2800 range and then kind of play with easing them up and tapering off. But for me, I'm only really taping off steps because I've trained myself to just move more throughout the day through with more walks and then basically that hit cardio and that's really all that's good. Well, these competitors are going into competitions doing two plus hours of cardio every single day. Yeah. Of structured cardio every single day.

Well, that's why I like again, I like to teach myself in prep how to manipulate my body fat through restriction of calories or increased volume and training. Because if I've mastered that, then again, I use cardio as just an emergency throttle type thing. Oh shit, I can't get enough steps anymore. I've 20,000 steps on a day where I just happen to be flying somewhere doing this

if I was in the middle of prep. Well, that means my ass was getting on cardio that day because I'm going to hit my step target because that's how I've calculated everything out to figure out how this is going to work. So that's the only real instance where I'm using cardio. It's to get to how I've scaled my steps. I've started my steps at 8,000 at the beginning of the prep and then it's worked up to 10, then 12, then 14, then 16, then 20, and I think this high is 24,000 and 26,000 steps. Well, when you're getting 26,000 steps a day, it's hard to not do an hour cardio. Sure. Sure. So then I would have to do an hour cardio. So that's how I scale back. So I scale back by measuring my steps, not by necessarily. So it's hard to say, like, if someone's doing, but somebody else could be doing two hours of cardio

and still only getting 20,000 steps and before that they were only getting 4,000 without those two hours, that person I gotta be very careful of taking them from, oh, now cut your hour, two hours out, and then go to your computer job where you're sitting for all day long. Like, I gotta be careful with that client.

So then I might do different things with them. You know, it's crazy bodybuilders didn't really do, well, they didn't do any cardio at all up until I think probably the mid to late 80s. Up until then it was just training. It would just be lifting weights. Now, if you looked at their routines, I mean, it made plenty of sense.

These guys were working out twice a day and doing ridiculous amounts of volume and stuff. All of them was insane. Insane, but they didn't do any cardio. Arnold didn't do any cardio. Frank Zane didn't do any cardio. He was shredded in the 70s and 80s. I think I think it fucks up a lot of people's

ability to really control their their body. It's it's insane when I see these pros that are peers of mine. Like they've every time I see him get ready for another show, they have to take their cardio. It's like the next level every time, because they've done so much. Their body just starts to adapt. Oh, yeah. And so for me, and that's where it's always been for me,

it's like, I'm not, you know, team anti-cardia that much. It's just, if you haven't figured out what you need to do calorie wise to reduce body fat consistently, if you haven't figured out to do that just with nutrition and nothing else, like, well, and you're always having to use cardio in there, like, it's tough to tease that out and find out, well, what happens when I don't want to do that just with nutrition and nothing else. Like, well, and you're always having to use cardio in there. Like, it's tough to tease that out and find out, well, what happens when I don't want to do cardio every day

for an hour? Like, men, most people don't want to live that way. They don't want to be committed to an hour on a treadmill or an hour run every single day. Like, that's a lot, that's a lot to commit to forever. It is. Plus, I mean, it's, it's an additional stress on the body. And if you're dieting and you're lifting weights really hard, it's like you're probably better off just

cutting your food down. If you really need to get, make that calorie deficit, you're probably better off reducing your calories than you are doing all this crazy cardio. I just imagine it would promote more metabolic damage. If you're constantly trying to get through everything through cardio. Well dude the problem is is that some of these athletes mess themselves up so bad that they have nowhere else to go. So if you're eating a thousand calories a day which sometimes you'll see some of these girls do how you can't go down to 500 so now you have to do an hour cardio. Yeah you have to. That's what's happening. Oh, yeah.

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Once they kick on prep, they're cardio's part of prep. And it's like, I'm not doing it. Yeah, hell seems like such more of a commitment. Like it is, it is. It is. It is. And that's why it sucks the most is because it's not, because let's be honest, we've talked about this, being an hour of cardio is good for the heart.

It's good exercise for being healthy. I'm excellent, right? To have great stamina and exercise the heart like that. But it's tough to commit to doing an hour of vigorous cardio every single day. There's not a lot of people that really enjoy doing that and can maintain that forever. So I want to learn how to manipulate my body and get it to almost any body fat percentage I want.

Speed up your metabolism. Yeah. All through manipulating my nutrition and manipulating my programming. So that, and that's exactly, again, how I use cardio. It was like this last two weeks coming into a show. And it probably kept it real effective. Is it very effective? I mean, I could see a difference every day.

Every day I went to the gym because it was only the second time I've done an hour of cardio like that, the third time I've done an hour. When you've done it like that, and it's the last two weeks, every day, I'm getting sharper and sharper and sharper. Is it hard for people to really accept, you know, that mentality without the cardio because

they have to put in more work into it in terms of like getting real. So if that's the, like what Sal's example of like a girl, you know, get into a certain point when she's cut, like her calories so low, like the only way more like her body could change is with cardio. Right. And a lot of that is building their way up first. cut like her calories so low. Like the only way more like her body could change is with cardio. Right. And a lot of that is building their way up first and that might get in time.

She shouldn't be competing. Exactly. Now that's not ready for you. Part of the problem, the thing that used to irritate me that I used to speak out on a lot is a lot of these coaches that are online coaching need the money. And and people are. They're not going to tell them, oh, you can't.

They're reaching out for a prep and they don't I guarantee they weren't doing what I was doing because it wasn't my main source of income. It was a side income for me. So I didn't care if I had 40 clients or not. I wasn't chasing a dollar amount. I was helping people that I wanted to knew trying to figure out how much I could handle load wise. And so when people would come to me to do coaching training, before I would tell

them, yes or no, I would want to find out where they're at. You need to track your food for the next two weeks. You need to tell me what you're doing step wise and then send it to me. And then I know based off of their size, their body size, is this person in a healthy state for me to even put them into a prep? And a lot of times it was no. A lot of times I had to tell people. I mean, I've shared with you guys Jessica, who's a good friend of ours and family friend. And she was hammering me hard forever to him, wanting me to get her ready for show. And I kept saying, no, no, your metabolism is not ready for it. I for you're much has much muscle. She has in her body. And this is how strong and her size is like her metabolism. She should be able to eat 2,800 calories

and not gain weight. And she she can't hardly eat more than 13 to 14 hundred calories. Like I would be doing, I would be fucking her up to put her, just like the coach did with her, because they did take someone else to take her. Yeah. And she lost a ton of muscle. She fucked her metabolism up. And here I am back trying to rebuild it still. So yeah, that's that that's just it is those those girls come into those and and some guys but more often than not the girls come to a coach coach says okay where you at he might do the same thing too but he hires are regardless and the girl goes hey I'm eating 1500 calories a day and I look like this and then he goes okay I'm gonna drop you to 1300 and we're gonna do an hour of cardio right away he goes to work in the it's cutting. Yeah, it's like, no, that's fucking insane.

Like, no, that person is going to be, yeah, they're going to, they're going to be a, have an eight weeks. She's going to hate life, you know, fucking crazy. Next question is from stellar hefe for people who work in front of a computer screen all day. How can you minimize a prevent up across syndrome? Any tips or daily habits or exercises that can be done at your desk?

Definitely. So we should explain what up across syndrome is first. So up across syndrome is that kind of slouch forward position where the shoulders are forward. You can kind of like a hunchback. Hunchback a little bit, the neck. Rounded forward everything. Yeah, your head kind of protrudes forward. It's that computer desk posture. And what happens with the body is whatever positions in

a lot of or the most of, it actually starts to form itself into that position. Muscles that are shortened in in particular positions for long periods of time become tight and don't want to lengthen. Muscles that are lengthen in a particular position start to get more slack and relax more and you lose a little bit of control or connection to them you actually can lose connection to all these muscles if it's a very what's the word what's a disengaged position and so with sitting by sitting at a computer you have this position that develops

because you're sitting that way and it becomes a part of your posture, just becomes a, because that's where you are most of the time. So if you want to counter that, you have to counter it with either being in a different position more often than that, which many times isn't possible. Like if you work eight to 10 hours a day in front of a computer, you're not going to be able to do eight to 10 hours of standing in the opposite position. So the way you counter it is with more intense activity in the opposing direction.

So resistance training is a great example of this. The classic exercises that help fix that are, you know, and rose down properly, but they have to be done properly where the shoulders are pulled back and down. You have to do, you wanna do exercises that help pull the head back, our wall test is fantastic. I think we have a YouTube on that, don't we?

We do, actually. Yeah, the wall test is one of my favorite things ever to really highlight. And you feel like where all these things are happening. You just feel, I can't actually touch my head to the wall. There's certain things like limitations, because it gets pretty bad over time. You just don't realize it because you're not,

you know, against a rigid surface to kind of give you that feedback. So what the wall test does, it gives you feedback to certain points in your body, like the nodule of your head, you know, your shoulders, you know, your your thoracic, your your lower lumbar, like being able to then activate your core and not have your ribs flare up, tuck your chin in. There's like a lot of different things you have to focus on, but it helps to highlight your natural tendency to want to compensate and be able to adjust to get one of those to fit to the wall. So I do five by tens of zone one and I teach this is what I teach because I tell you.

So I still I talk about this in the show a lot but I still help out these clients that I used to have in my boot camps. All of them are 50, I think the youngest is 55. So 55 and above. And all of them have desk type jobs. So I got a hairdresser. I've got all these people that are definitely in these rounded positions. None of them can squat really, really comfortably.

So I'm dealing with all aches and pains and trying to combat all the things that they're doing. And one of the most common things everybody has is the, you know, forward head and rounded shoulders. So we literally, I take them through maps prime pro. That's exactly what the entire hour is all is me going through each major joint in them. And then the number one thing that I tell them all is homework that they do is I tell them to do minimum every day. And I would like to see it more, but I prescribe one a day. You have to do this once a day, but I would love to see you do this multiple times. And I do five sets of 10 intense holds in zone one. So you get into the wall tests, like you guys are talking about, and they tuck their chin,

get their wrists, get their elbows, and then they press their low back. Fisimitically squeezing. Yeah. And they start our drive as hard as they can, and keep connection in all those points for 10 hard seconds, release, and do it again four times. Like, that takes a grand total of less than five minutes. Less than five minutes. I mean, I think ideally speaking, if you don't want to go to the gym, you don't want

to go, I mean, just doing many trigger sessions throughout the day at work is really really good I mean part it could be a could be a wall test movement You could have some resistance bands bring some bands that you do some and just what I would do and what I recommend What I've recommended in the past the clients is every single hour or at the least every other hour Take about three to five minutes do these basic a few sets of these basic exercises and stretches, then sit back down at your desk. The irony of it is the comments that I would get after my clients started doing this

in the beginning especially were, watch your increased productivity. That's it, and people would be like, oh, they would trip out, be like, oh, I love doing them and I'd say, oh, because it's fixing your problems. A lot of times little aches, pains are like immediately gone. Yeah, but the reason why they did it was productivity.

Yeah, so you get, it's amazing when you, we sit still on a computer and you're only having to move your fingers for, you know, God knows how long you've been sitting there for. And you get up and you do some movement, period, especially if you're doing movement to correct what you're combating, what you were just doing, the position you were in. Yeah. That feels good. Like you're saying, Justin, but then to Salis Point, I mean, you get the blood and oxygen flowing, and you'll see increased energy.

You move your heart rate up a tiny bit, you're not exercising, but you're moving it, you're pumping more blood. Natural stimulus. Yes, more oxygen, you get this little stimulant, you get back and you feel more productive. So, once I, and that's why I like to start my clients with that and say, that's your prescription. You start my clients with that and say that's your prescription

And you have to do that for me one time during your work day Most of them actually liked the way they feel that they and I tell them my encourage them to do as much as possible Like this is your moves. Here's your prescription do at least that I want you to do it those many times as you can and then leave it at that It's like once they do that they normally can feel right away like oh wow That made me feel I feel better after I do that. It was one of my, one of the key ways that I would get be able to communicate my value as a personal trainer to a potential new client.

So if you're a trainer listening right now, it's one of the easiest things you could do that shows a client immediately that you provide value and it increases your odds of them hiring you. And it was as simple as me. I would have them sit in front of a cable row. I'd ask them the row that I'd demonstrate it. But I wouldn't like give them lots of detail.

I'd show them how to do it. I'd say, can you do this for me? And then they'd do a few reps and I'd say, okay, now I'm gonna put you in the proper position. Then I would stand behind them and I'd pull their shoulders back and down. I'd have to be connected and squeezed.

I'd have them do about five to 10 repetitions, nice and controlled and slow, while assisting them with my hands. Then they put the bar back, I'd have them stand up, and inevitably they'd stand up and be like, whoa, I feel amazing. Sweet for me. I feel so good.

My neck feels loose and right away I was like, you're gonna hire me. Like you see the value right away, it was such an easy test. Next question is from Ms. Stacey. Would you guys ever make your own school to teach personal training? I really think that I believe we're building that right now,

kind of virtually. Yeah, I think we're laying the blue prints of that. I feel like each of us think there's so much more to get as crazy as this may say. And I just was hanging out with my childhood friends and they're like, man, do you guys have 900 and something episodes? He's like, do you ever feel like you're going to run out of information or run out of stuff to talk about? And I'm like, you know, I think I don't think we ever really,

I don't think we've ever really worried about that. I think there's always something to discuss because there's so many individual variances when it comes to training the human body and helping people when and then you add in nutrition and psychology like it's just, there's so so many different places that we can go. And I don't know why I was telling you that I talked to my friends. What was the question again? It was about the personal training school,

oh, the personal train school. And so what I think is happening right now is I think that we're answering all these questions, we're cataloging everything we're making demonstration videos, writing blogs were getting writing free guides were creating all this crazy free content. Well, the next level to this business is to be able to aggregate all of that free content. Well, the next level to this business is to be able to aggregate all of that free content and then learn how to segment our audience and provide them exactly

what they need through AI. And so I think once we have all that in place, I think it's able to teach you exactly the next evolution to that would be teaching trainers how to utilize the tools that we've built for them. And I think that's for sure the future of what we're going to do. It just who knows when it's going to be? Yeah, I think when it comes to personal training, I think knowledge in knowing how to do the right things for your clients, I think it's important. I think that's very important. But I don't think trainers need the amount of knowledge that they think they need to be effective and good at their jobs.

I think a lot of trainers think that they need to be PhDs. Like I need to get 15 different certifications. I need to take all these classes. I need to know everything so I can help my clients. The reality is that you're going to be able to apply 5% of your knowledge on the average person. The average person is a beginner, the decondition. Really what you should learn as a trainer, what I would put a lot of emphasis on if I had a school for personal training would be a how to get compliance from your client.

That is a big deal. It took me a long time to learn that when I first would start training clients, I'd give them all the answers right off the gates. Like, here's your nutrition, here's your workout, so what we're going to do. It took me a long time to realize that that was a terrible approach because it didn't work. People wouldn't stick to it. I start, I learned much later on that what's more effective is if I figure out the one thing that this person can realistically do for themselves, which is different from person to person, and then communicate it in a way to where they buy in, where they actually implement it. Now we've made real change, and it's a slow process.

So trainers, I think the information and knowledge that they learn, I think, is important. How they communicate it, and how they can implement it, I think, is even more important. I think that's what makes the most successful trainers, and knowing how to talk to people, knowing how to communicate. And personal training certifications don't spend any time on that, do they spend any time on that? I had not that, I know. Yeah, I've never seen what they actually teach you like communication skills or sales skills,

if you'll call them, whatever. Effective communication skills. No, no, that was a massive thing that they'd neglected to cover, especially the business end of everything. And I think that's why you saw people like Beidro's really thrive in a market of independent trainers, especially because there was no resources. That you really had to like look on the internet

and all you could really find was people like Beidro's or you'd find other Tony Robbins types that were sort of just trying to get you some kind of life coaching to then apply to whatever business direction you were going. But I think that is a massive missing piece. Cause I mean, what we want is for trainers to be successful individually so that way they can keep doing what they love

and they can keep impacting people. But when you're struggling financially, you can't be as effective as you could otherwise. Right. Let me ask you guys a question. What made you as successful as you were as a trainer? Was it your knowledge, your vast knowledge? No. Right. What were the key? Most of the acquired knowledge that I have is from saying I don't know Mm-hmm, and then saying but I will find out for you and then going home Yeah, and getting on a computer or even earlier days opening up a book and Starting to read through and trying to find that answer of that that probably and so I had this attitude of I

Was good at communicating the little bit of knowledge that I did have. Getting buying right. I had a little bit what I knew is I had a little bit more knowledge than most of people coming to ask for help. That's all I needed. And because of that I could share with them that little bit more knowledge. And then when the time came where they asked me a question that I didn't know the answer, I was comfortable with saying I don't know. Had a lot of people have a hard time with that. And they freak out and they think, oh I'm supposed to know as I'm a trainer. But it's like, you know what, I'm not sure, like, but I tell you what, I'll make sure I find out and then I'll tell you.

And then that would force me to read in the direction that I needed to learn because that's what my clients were asking. And then you've done that. Once you've done that for a long enough period of time. Oh, and if they see you actually do that, Right. And you go acquire knowledge that you didn't have before. You take classes, you bring another professional in as a consultant. That's value. Like they feel like you really went over and above to then service them. And I think that's a huge part of it, too. It's like you really have to show them how much you care about their cause. Well, and that's the there's's that, there's that psychological piece. Like I remember a long time ago, it was a, was a while ago.

I worked with this trainer who was extremely successful. Now, why would she successful? Well, or how did I define that? Well, first off, she had a very high per session rate that she charged. Her, her books were, were always full. And she had the same clients forever. Like these people just stayed with her. Now, if you see a trainer with a full schedule who has a high session rate and the clients just stay with them that's a successful trainer they're not

lucky I just think that like oh they're lucky they got the right client with who's got money or what no no no no they're successful they're doing a very good job and I would listen to how she would talk to people about nutrition and this is what you said blow me away. The way I used to talk to clients about nutrition would I'd be like, okay, let's look at your diet. Okay, cut this out. Cut this out. Start eating this.

Here's your calories. Let me write some meal plans for you. If you want just eat this, you'll lose weight, whatever. The way she would do it is she would say things like, okay, Susan, I want you to eat one serving of vegetables every day. And they'd be like, okay, I think I could do that. And then she'd track them for a while. And then she'd say, okay, so here's what I want you to eat one serving of vegetables every day. And they'd be like, okay, I think I could do that. And then she'd track them for a while. And then she'd say, okay, so here's what I want you to do.

And I want you to have at least an additional glass of water. And it would be just these small things. But the reason why she was so damn effective is she was an expert at learning what that person, what would challenge that person, but what they could also do realistically, and what they could stick to. And that was the key right there. Once I learned that I blew my mind.

Once I learned that I blew my mind. Does it matter how smart you are and the information you're probably going to our great you are at program design or what a smart nutritionist you are if you can't get your client to do the work, you're worthless. Well, in part of that comes from understanding, you know, so you're effectively communicating the process to them to where they oh, wow, that, you know, like light bulbs go off because of the way that if you finally presented it to them, and that takes a lot of experience to be able to get to a level that you can communicate what they need to hear at the right moment. Right. And now, think about here's a good example. Let's say a client, client a potential client so this is not even a client a potential client walks up to a trainer and says hey I want

to hire a personal trainer I'm getting married in three months I want to lose 35 pounds what do you want to do now a new trainer or trainer lacks a who lacks experience or trainer who's not going to be successful as you'd be like done let's do it 35 pounds pounds and three months, you got a train with me four days a week. Here's what the program's going to look like. Bull, somebody with experience who really understands success in personal training would say something like, okay, look, I know that's your goal, but it's probably not the best way to do it. I like to get people to get to their goals in the right way. Here's a little happen if we try

and do it that way. Educate the client and convinces them to understand, like, okay, I need to change my approach for this long term success. And that's how you become successful as a trainer. And I think if I had a school for personal training, yes, you would learn great information. Yes, all that stuff, but that's a given. That's stupid.

All certifications try and provide you the best knowledge. And do all of them give you great knowledge, not necessarily, but the goal is to give you great knowledge. I don't know any of them that focus on that other side of us, on how to train people, how to coach people, how to get them to buy in. Communicate better, how to sell better. Well, this is why I think what we're doing,

you're gonna indirectly do exactly what you want, because with a trainer, we're to search, for example, like we've got Dr. Ruscio scheduled to come in and we're specifically going to talk about thyroid conditions. And so it'll be either a collection of all of us on a podcast talking about it or it will and or it will be Sal interviewing him in front of the the Mind Plum Studio and talking to him all with that. Now, the beauty is you're going to not only ask the questions, the right questions from Rusio that you that you should know or people should know, but you're also going to put

your experience and your knowledge into the things that you're going to foresee. Like, oh, well, we got to watch out for this. So, so because you're the now trainers will have that ability to watch that and listen to that, you're going to teach that through all this. Oh, I wish I had a resource like ours. I know that. I mean, that's what we're, so that's what I see. I foresee this being. I think we're already providing quite a bit. I mean, I just did a post for personal trainers on my Instagram. And I, I mean, such a big percentage of our audience is trainers learning how to be, you know, I mean, you, I'm excited about that.

I'm stoked that that many trainers are listening and, you know, really appreciate the knowledge, because I mean, it was a long journey to get to where we are, from what we've experienced individually. Well, let's be honest, from a real standpoint, okay, I don't care what metrics you measure this by, what is the most successful segment of the fitness industry as measured by long-term good success by clients? Personal training, personal training outperforms, personal trainers are the lifeblood of the fitness industry hands down. And I don't mean that from a marketing standpoint, a lot of shit. I mean from a true standpoint, from these are the people that are actually

they're physically interacting. Yes, and they're very, very effective of what they do, or more effective than group training gyms, than magazines, than articles, then whatever. It's the personal trainers. So that's what gets me excited is that we're, we have an audience of people that are listening that are making those changes. And it's pretty cool. I was on vacation, you know,

recently or whatever. And what my cousin's friends comes up to me. And she's like, oh, my guy, I just listened to your podcast for the first time. I'm like, oh, you know, how do you find it? And she's like, my trainer, my personal trainer told me to listen to this podcast. Oh nice. And she's like, as I started listening to it, I realized you were, you were, it was you and I even know this and whatever. And you are a shared, he followed you. Yeah, yeah, she knew she knew who I was through my cousin,

but she'd never listened to my podcast. So she got referred by her trainer, hey, you gotta listen to this fitness podcast or whatever and it's her personal trainer. And she pulls it up and she's like, oh, shit, I know the guy that. That's that. How freaking rad is this for you, funny.

Anyway, well speaking of personal trainers, we have a new guide available at MindPumpFree.com that is all about how to become a successful personal trainer. So if you're a new trainer or a relatively new trainer, it talks about certifications, prospecting, it talks about how to sell personal training, how to present personal training, how to price your training. It's a totally free guide. Again, it's at mindpumpfree.com. Go check it out.

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