Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 938: How to Strengthen Your Wrists, Ways to Limit Exposure to Toxins, the Benefits of Running in Sand & MORE

Episode Date: January 4, 2019

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about exercises for strengthening wrists, steps to take to limit exposure to toxins, how to train someone from “My 600lb Life," and the benefits of running in the sand. The good old days of dial-up & phones with cords. (4:45) Mind Pump Recommends Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. (5:55) Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology: study. (11:30) PRx making big waves! 0% financing for the month of January! (17:33) The amazing feeling working out from home in the cold weather. (20:05) High School Students in Eastern China to Get Facial Monitoring in Class. (28:05) What is perfection for the temperature of your meat? Enter in the Sous Vide bag. (32:30) Women — but not men — seek to actively punish sexualized women, study finds. (36:13) The results are in Will Sal bulk or get shredded?! (40:18) Adam got that Bradley Cooper body in full force! (41:50) The State of the Union of CrossFit: Will the bubble ever fully burst? (44:35) #Quah question #1 – What are some exercises for strengthening wrists? (57:00) #Quah question #2 – What steps do you take to limit exposure to toxins? (1:12:20) #Quah question #3 – If you were asked to train someone from “My 600lb Life,” what would you do? Where would you begin? (1:25:54) #Quah question #4 – What are the benefits of running in the sand? (1:37:38) MMA Talk. (1:45:40) People Mentioned Stan "Rhino" Efferding (@stanefferding)  Instagram Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram Amanda Nunes (@amanda_leoa)  Instagram Cris Cyborg (@criscyborg)  Instagram Daniel "DC" Cormier (@dc_mma)  Instagram Jon Bones Jones (@jonnybones)  Instagram Products Mentioned: January Promotion: MAPS Anabolic ½ off!!  **Code “RED50” at checkout** PRx Performance   **0% financing for the month of January + MAPS Prime on orders of $500 or more** Butcher Box   **FREE Bacon, 2 Ribeye’s, $10 Off + Free Shipping on Your First Order!** Black Mirror: Bandersnatch | Netflix Official Site Choose Your Own Adventure Book Series: Amazon.com Ibuprofen alters human testicular physiology to produce a state of compensated hypogonadism Amazon.com: Watch Generation Iron 3 | Prime Video High School Students in Eastern China to Get Facial Monitoring in Class What is Sous Vide? | Everything You Need To Know | Anova Culinary Women — but not men — seek to actively punish sexualized women, study finds My HONEST Thoughts On Crossfit Mind Pump Episode 922: John Romano The ONLY Forearm Workout That Matters (TRY THIS!!) | MIND PUMP Mind Pump Free Resources Everly Well   **Code “mindpump” 15% any test**

If you want to pump your body and out by talking about Netflix's new interactive black mirror. What's it called? Bander snatch. Yeah, I'm out of the loop. Yeah, unfortunate name. Some, what are they called? What is it?

Spoiler alerts. So you might want to fast forward that part. Justin, Justin didn't watch it, but so he got to go. You guys ruined it for me, thanks. Then we talked about the IB Profen study. IB Profen is the active ingredient in Advil and how it lowers testosterone. Uh oh, another reason not to take it. It may actually influence your gains in the negative.

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If you go to prxperformance.com, forward slash mine pump and use the code, mine pump, you'll get 5% off your order and a free maps prime program with the purchase of $500 or more, and then of course the 0% financing. Then we talked about outdoor gyms and how awesome they are. Adam talked about how China's monitoring system

doesn't really bother them. I think it should. Adam talked about his new, what did you order? What's it called? A sous vide? Way of cooking meat. Yes, sous vide. Yes, sous vide is how you pronounce it? I'm pretty sure cooking meat and plastic

Apparently it tastes really good. It's a new thing. We had a little discussion about that But he did talk about his favorite place to get grass-fed Amazing meat but your box. They are one of our sponsors if you go to butcherbox.com forward slash mind pump You'll get free bacon and 2020 off your first two months. They'll deliver that meat right to your door, meat to your door, just in your favorite type. Give me that meat. Then we talked about a study that showed that women are pretty mean to each other.

Yep, they needed a study for that one. And we talked about my bulk versus shred survey that I did on my Insta story. I asked people if I should bulk or shred find out which one one. Find out if Sal is gonna jump on some steroids. Get fat. Nope, we're gonna stay natural. Then we talked about the CrossFit blog that I wrote

talking about why I think CrossFit is probably, why that bubble's probably gonna deflate pretty soon. Let's see if it pisses people off. Yeah. Then we get into the fitness part of our show. The first question was, what are some good exercises for strengthening your wrists? This person finds that their wrists break

when they do heavy presses. What can they do to prevent that from happening? Shake weights. The next question, how woo-woo are we about things like toxins, molds, plastics, et cetera? What steps do we take to limit our exposure to these types of things? Do we turn off our Wi-Fi at night?

Do we rub special lotion on our faces? Do we wear blue-blocker glasses? I don't know, I threw that second one in there. Let's see what happens. The third question was, if we were to train somebody from the show, my 600 pound life, what would we do, and where would we begin?

What would we start with with somebody who's 600 plus pounds? And the final question, what are the benefits of running in the sand? Are there specific benefits to doing so? Should you run on the sand if you wanna be a bad ass? Or is that just for people who live on the beach? Assholes.

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Brooming. Brooming. And then it wouldn't work, it didn't work. Ah, and then you have to start again. Mom, hang up the phone. Come on, mom, I want to get online. I'm not working at trail. How about that?

Just remember picking up the phone to talk to your friends and like, you guys remember having like you would pause to make sure someone's not like picking up the phone in the room. Your friend calls and you answer and you're like, oh, listen, aren't you? Yeah, no, there was. There was being quiet because you wanted to make sure

that there's four phones right in the house at that time. Make sure that your mom or your sister or someone else that is trying to listen in on my brother that time. Make sure that your mom or your sister or someone else that's in there. I used to try and listen in on my brother's conversation. Right? Did you really? Yeah, when he was dating this girl, I was like, you know, trying to like ninja my way, and to listen to him.

And then he heard me on the other line, got so pissed. Of course. Yeah. I was so angry. Yeah, that was a dick move. Those are the days, and the phone had a cord to it. And you had to long ask cord. Oh my god. You guys have the phone with me. to it. You had to long-ass cord. You guys have the phone with the cord. Of course you can go take it to your room.

I was just fucking pull it through the house, bringing it in your room, get on the phone. So speaking of like 80s and thinking about it, I watched the Netflix series Black Mirror last night. The Bander Snack? Yeah, which is based in the eight, 1980s. Tell me, tell me, now you just fucked Justin. I was supposed to have to hear it now.. Okay cool. Tell me they do his homework

Tell me they they're not brilliant. What the way they put that together? It was it was definitely Because I thought that was good. Yeah, it was the greatest. Did you did you read choose your own adventures as a kid? Okay, so yeah, so I mean I read those books as a kid I thought it was a very very cool way to write a movie. I don't know if you could get me to watch multiple of those. And I'll tell you why, because the same reason why I don't read those still books as a grown ass man is there's really not a lot of substance to it. It's a very short movie, but it's long because you have so many pathways.

Right. But there's not a lot of substance to the movie. When you really pick apart the movie, but it was definitely entertaining. It's like a novel idea, but I can't see that. Taking off is like the next thing. It's kind of like a 3D. It might with kids. It might with kids.

Well, my kid, they have Minecraft one. That's true, you're an adventure. Yeah, they do. And my kids love actually. A movie kid have they have minecraft one. That's choose your adventure. Yeah, they do and my kids love actually a movie Yeah, it's a cartoon. Oh, it's a cartoon the series and so they're I'm gonna pick which way they want to go and my kids love it. Yeah, yeah I could totally see that taking off with kids But they're got to there was a point with Katrina and I I don't know it was probably because it was

They'll take you through all of them if you want it does it would you stay on it? Yeah, we stayed on it'll take you through all of them if you want. It does. Did you stay on it? Yeah, we stayed on it. And we went through all of them. You know, cause at one point it says exit to credits. You can. So did you see the ending where he, uh, where the dude jumps off the, the balcony, where you know, he's in jump out the window. Yeah. And then it pulls back and it's just the, the move, it's just the show. Oh, you mean when the guy jumps over?

Actually, jumps over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you got to see all the endings. Yeah. Or when all of a sudden he's in a movie yeah okay yeah here's what I think spoiler whatever yeah here's what that's your fault here's what I think that's that's still confused the fuck out of you know it's like yeah so many options yeah no the thing that I think was brilliant on it isn't the the choose your an adventure park is that's fun it's how they

broke the what do they call it the third wall wall, where he, okay, spoiler alert, if you haven't seen it fast forward. The Netflix party. Yeah. He, he, this guy thinks he's losing his mind, goes to this therapist, and he's like, I don't know, he goes, I feel like I'm not making my decisions for me.

I feel like someone else is doing, like he's alluding to the fact that he knows. He's in a movie. He's in a shit show. Somebody's controlling it. But they do it so well that you're like, oh, this is brilliant alluding to the fact that he knows. He's in a movie. He's gonna shut somebody's show. He's controlling it. But they do it so well that you're like, oh, this is brilliant. Yeah, no, it's great.

I mean, I don't want to spoil anymore for anybody else. I definitely recommend somebody to watch it. And Katrina and I were definitely enthralled by it while we watched it. But I did walk away from it going like, okay, I felt like I just watched a 20 minute movie but it took an hour and a half to watch it. And that's what the books were like.

The books were great, but as I think back to them, they were very basic short stories, but the book has to be pretty big because there's so many alternate routes that you can take through it. So very, very clever. And if you weren't somebody who grew up reading, choose your own adventures, you got to watch this because that'll be a hell of an experience for someone who's never experienced. What I like about it is, cause it's gotten a lot of attention right now.

And so I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna spend more money on making them more creative, more interactive, and just smarter. Because it opens up a whole new, a whole new route for movies and for TV, cause before you couldn't do this, right? You watched a movie on TV, it was on your VHS, it was on a DVD, or you're at the movies, you couldn't interact with it. So I think it's going to be, I think it's

going to open up a whole bunch of new stuff. So I called this a fucking like 10 years ago. Like I really thought, because we talked, we should talk my buddies and I would talk about those choose your own adventure books. I thought I believe that the future of movie theaters would be like this, where everyone has a voting thing on their on their armchair, and the majority would always win, and that's the pathway the movie would go.

Like think of that, like if you're watching a movie or in a theater, there's a hundred people in there. I'd be annoying. I would be pissed. Yeah, I'd be annoying. You'd have a bunch of idiots. Yeah, you'd have a sabotage unit. Yeah.

Well, you wouldn't have, it's a majority would rule in that situation. Yeah, I know. So even if you had 30 idiots in there, you know, everybody's choosing, and what do you mean by idiots? It's still, no matter what, you're kind of curious about whatever pathway. What it would do is it end up making you want to come back and see all the other path. You get the whole crowd would end up being loud about it and stuff. I guess it could be fun.

It'd be fun. Yeah, it's interactive, right? A totally different level. You know, it reminds me of like sort of like the first step. I was thinking in terms of like how video game, so successful video games are. And it's like you kind of control that whole experience yourself. And this is like, you know, kind of one more step in between that bridge

between like watching, like just being a passive viewer versus being interactive with what you're watching. Are they gonna do this with porn? Of course. You know what I'm saying? Like, think about it this way. God, this might be, probably, you always go there.

I know, I know. Because that's where they go. Yeah. This might actually be, I don't know, maybe it already exists. It probably exists. Where you like, you date a girl and like your Fuller pull her hair right here Flip her over

Your goal is to spend get thanks bank your goals are trying to get her to have sex with you But you have to take the right you have to make the right decision. All right. She can say yeah Training ground away Pull finger back. Oh my gosh. Sorry. Pulling the finger is not a good move. Yeah. Justin Furrow.

Hey, you know what, we over the weekend, and I love that you've started this thread with all the staff and they're sending all these articles that everybody's into it. And I believe it was Jackie. Maybe it was you, Sal. I don't know if it was who it was. You maybe can remind me. The ibuprofen one. Oh, that was Jackie believe it was Jackie. Maybe it was you, Sal. I don't know if it was who it was. You maybe can remind me the ibuprofen one. Oh, that was Jackie. Oh wait a minute. Was it?

It might have been Jackie. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I'll check. I mean, I'd like to give credit to who it was because I thought that was a very fascinating. It was a pub med study, right? And you know, I was reading it and right away I was skeptical of like, okay, well, you know, I took me all the way to the end before I saw the actual percentage, but I was I was reading it and right away I was skeptical of like, okay, well, you know, I it took me all the way to the end before I saw The actual percentage, but I was I was fascinated by how much I sent it 30. Oh, it was you Yeah, I sent it like 13 to 25 percent. I think it was was what it was Yeah, so this study shows how Taking and and said like I be profan

Altars human testicular physiology to produce a state of like ibuprofen, Ulters human testicular physiology to produce a state of compensated hypogonatism. So in other words, it alters your balls, your testicles in a way that it puts them into a state of lower testosterone. And yeah, and you know, it's funny with, because we've seen studies now with drugs like ibuprofen where athletes who take ibuprofen where athletes

who take ibuprofen as part of their training because there's a lot of these people who they're stiff, they're sore, and part of their protocol is to take this on a regular basis so that they can get through their training. Reduces muscle protein synthesis, reduces muscle growth and adaptations and strength and all these other things, through the process of basically blocking the signaling system that tells your body to adapt. Because the inflammatory system is one of the main components of your body's signaling system. When you hurt yourself, the inflammatory response tells the body, we need to heal this,

and then also not only do we need to heal this, but we need to adapt in a way to get stronger. So it's like, if I handle rough objects with my hand and I slightly damage my skin, the inflammation there tells my body, heal the skin, but it also tells my body, add another layer so that the same insult doesn't cause the same kind of damage, which eventually can turn into a callus and all that stuff. And so we know now taking these things for a long periods of time, it reduces basically how you can progress, but now they're finding it actually affects hormones, and in this case testosterone, negatively.

A significant amount. When you start, because that's what I was like, okay, so I'm reading this long old study and I'm going like, at the end of it it's going to be like, oh, 1% or some shit like that, but I believe it was between 13 and 23 or 13 and 25%. It was like 13% initially, and then over the course of six months it was like 25%. A quarter reduction, that's a big difference. That's a significant difference. It was off of like 600 milligrams of ibuprofen, which is not that crazy amount. No, that's like two. That's a low dose for strong anti-inflammatory effects. So if you have a headache,

200 milligrams, but if you have like an injury, the doctor will say 600 to what do they say, 1200 or 800 milligrams is what they'll typically recommend. Yeah. I mean, Jessica, she gets migraines and she has prescription ibuprofen, each one is 600. Well, and the doctor will say take one or two. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? No, I took three of them this weekend

because I had this massive headache and it was right after that, I breathed at study so I just found it really fascinating. I was like, oh no. Nobody, I had a headache and no one had Tylenol or Advil or anything like that. Like someone had ibuprofen. And so I took the ibuprofen and then sure, shit,

I see this thing in our thread, which of course made me read the whole thing because I just took three of them. And then I'm like, oh wow, it's only 600 milligrams. That's not that much to reduce that much. That's crazy. No, and if you do it here and there, it's not that big of a deal.

This is for chronic users. And there are a lot of people. There's a lot of people that do that. That take this stuff, I have people in my family who take these, take stuff like ibuprofen daily. Yeah, I remember, I remember there was a period where I had like really high blood pressure in the morning I had these some like really excruciating headaches. And so I was just on this regimen of constantly taking

Advil or et cetera and or you know something you know along those lines like just consistently for that year until I got you know that that problem addressed and in dealt with and just Knowing like studies like that and also just like how hard that is on, you know, your kidneys and your liver and everything to process is, it's all problematic. It is, I think it's important that people understand

that the whatever Western medicine pharmaceutical you're using to get rid of a symptom isn't addressing the root of that symptom. There is no forma drug that really addresses the root. They all address a symptom of some sort, whether it be, you know, like pain is a big one. And most of them are just masking. That's what I'm saying.

That's all you're doing. They're patching for us. Fixing something that is masking. No, and the ibuprofen does reduce inflammation. For sure does that. Oh, works. It works on that end, but it doesn't stop what's causing the inflammation

to happen in the first place. Right, which is the point where you do on a dive deeper and get to the root. And that's why functional medicine, things like that are great to help to try and tie you back to the root of the cause. Yeah, if you're taking a drug like ibuprofen on a regular consistent basis, look at your entire life and try and figure out why you need to take something like that.

Try and figure that out because over a long period of time, the drugs themselves have negative effects, but not only that, it's whatever this causing that inflammation still has some negative effects. You might have gotten rid of the symptom of it, but there's still a problem, you see what I'm saying? So it's important to look at those types of things. Anyway, so do you guys hear what PRX is doing for January, which I think is brilliant? No, no, brilliant, brilliant. What are they doing?

So January, everybody knows, big, you know, everybody signs up for Jim membership. Big movement and the fitness. Yeah, everybody wants to go work out average. What are they doing? Well, so average Jim membership is like, what, 20 to $60 a month or whatever? 20 to $30 to $60. Some like that.

You can find a cheap Jim for 20, but you're gonna end up working out with a ton of people and dirty equipment, all that stuff. And the more expensive ones are $60, $70 a month. Well, PRX was one of our sponsors, that's for the listeners. They provide home gym equipment. They're doing 0% financing.

Oh smart. Yep, right? Is it just for January 2? I think so, Doug saying yes. Yeah, oh wow. How smart is that? Very smart, because you could buy their equipment so you have a home gym and then just pay monthly with no interest.

You're going to pay monthly anyway, whether you go to the gym or not, but now you got your own home gem. And then you own it at the end of your financing. That's right. And you own the gym. You don't have to deal with the crowd. You don't have to deal with a sweaty equipment. You know, that's not your sweat and all that other stuff.

Now did you buy yours outright? Just in order to do finance it just to do the finance thing. Yeah, exactly. I did it just to see how that whole process worked. And so I did the financing and I'm exactly. I did it just to see how that whole process worked. And so I did the financing. And I'm almost already done with it. But at the same time, it was so convenient that way, because it wasn't like this big lump sum up front that really kind of hurt for the month. So, and it's super smooth process. I'm really happy with what were your monthly

payments? Do you remember? It's like, it was like a hundred something bucks. Yeah, so But I I had put you know a substantial amount down, but What I what I loved was the different options because you know ceiling wise They they have a few options like for people like I know CrossFit's big with the Kipping Pullup rig and all that kind of stuff, but that one is really tall, just FYI for people that are looking into it. So if you have a garage space as a really tall ceiling,

they have to measure it. Like make sure you look into that because then there's another one that has a pullup bar and it too that's mainly for 10 foot, it's mainly for like 10 foot ceiling. So mine's like eight foot ceiling. And so it's like the, there's only one option for that if you have like a smaller setup for that.

So just, you know, be conscious of that. I had to kind of send it back and they were like super cool about it, but I got the wrong size initially. Dude, I had the best at home workout the other day. I got up early and it's been cold. Now I know people listening all over the country think I'm stupid because we're in California.

But for us, it was cold. It was like 30, something degrees outside. It was early in the morning. And I work out my garage, so I don't have a heater or anything like that. So I'm out there, we're out there bundled up with our sweaters. I've got shock on my hands, my hands are cold on the bar, Jessica's wearing gloves, and we're working out.

And there's something about working out in harsh conditions or not super comfortable conditions. I don't know how you guys feel about that, but it really got me in the fucking mood, man. I really, yeah. Do you remember those old, you guys used to watch NFL films, right? Yeah.

No, the old films where they're playing football in the snow and you see the breath coming out. It's like, I felt like I was in one of those, I could be called as fucking a lift-in. And I have this big ass sweater on, and underneath that I'm sweating, but I'm still too cold to tell. I would, we would like soldier feel.

Grip, better or worse? At first, it hurts. It hurts my hands a little bit. But for me, I kinda like that a little bit and I don't know if it's the whole, it makes me feel tougher or whatever, but I feel like it's gonna strengthen my hands because I was doing a trap bar deadlifts

and the trap bar that I bought, this is the thing about equipment sometimes is, when they put the knurling on the handle, the way they make the knurling makes a big difference, because sometimes knurling is sharp as a shin. Sometimes they cut a little too deep, and it really like, yes, shreds your hands up. Oh, thanks, Doug.

See, I'm gonna go work on the snow now. Yeah. He's just pulled up rock-y, whizzing in the snow, rock-y. This is the only reason why you, what you just explained, is that for you right here. Maybe it's this, right here.

Maybe it has no other logical reason other than you've watched this movie a thousand times to your head, training out in the snow. Just trying to be tough. What a great scene. You know, we got the Russian with this technology and his workout. That's funny, because I can see what this log on his back.

Yeah, my neighbor is like ex-military and like is really into like calisthenics and running everything. And so I was leaving. I had a client at like 6.30 and so I was like leaving. Or it was like 5.30 in the morning and I'm like driving up this hill and he's doing sprints and everything

like with his shirt off. And it was like, it was super cool. It had to be like 10 below or something. It was so freezing outside and he's just running back and forth. And I'm like, dude, you maniac. And I remember like, I used to think, oh yeah, like that's, like I want that toughness, that grit. You know, there is definitely something to that.

When I lived in Chicago, it was like, you just like, you're harder, you know? I don't know. I feel like it's the, because I even like working out what's, when it's really hot sometimes. I think it's just the added challenge, the added challenge of the temperature and it's just you're not as comfortable.

Well, it's gotta be good for you for sure. Probably, right? Yeah, of course. Because there's the whole adaptation with the temperature thing. Of course, I think, I mean, I think there's gotta be some benefit to doing it occasionally,

and then you overcoming it. Yeah, I have this, there was this one guy that follows me on Instagram and, you know, he'll hear me talk about me working out my garage and he's like, here's my home setup and he sent me a picture and his shit is literally outside, literally in the snow and he's got like, and I'm like, damn, that's crazy.

But I could see like a younger version of myself kind of being like, fuck yeah. Well, you know, it's funny about that. Like I've actually set up part of outside for just splitting and chopping wood and like chopping into boards and everything just because of the power you get from that. Like it's a great way to train for power. Well, that's why we slam the medicine balls in the back. Exactly.

They got that from the power and the results you get from chopping wood So the other part of that is a great way to add to that is you bury a Tire in into the dirt like so half of it is exposed and then you take a sledgehammer and you hit it Constantly see I know you know my dad's worked with his hands, his whole life, hard labor, right? Construction, all that stuff. And I've known a lot of blue-collar workers. And when I did you jitsu, I would sometimes grapple

with these guys. And then you have guys who are gym guys who worked out with weights and that kind of stuff. And this may be just my perception, but the type of strength that those blue-collar, you know, kind of hard working people have, it felt different. And just felt, it felt harder, it felt stronger.

And I don't know if it's just because you were in your workout in a gym, you're working out, you're comfortable, you're in comfort all the time. And those guys get used to being uncomfortable. It's different skills. Maybe different skills. Different things that you're doing, you know. The big difference was in their hands. Yeah, that was always the big difference

There was this one dude that I would you know every once while we'd roll and he was he grew up as a farmer and He was a skinny dude. He was like a hundred and fifty pounds Wiery and strong as shit and his hands were so hard Like if he grabbed my hand I felt like I'd have to get out. The strongest people on any football team I played with were from Nebraska. And just farm raised, you know, hay baling, fucking strong sons of bitches. Yeah, yeah, they grow crazy out there.

Yeah, see, so that's the thing that I think about. But the home workouts are my favorite, man. I don't, I think I would have to have, if I did like a gym outside like that, I see. So that's that's the thing that I you know that I think about but the home workouts are my favorite man I don't I think I would have to have if I did like a gym outside like that I would have to have also the option inside like it. I wouldn't want only I like the bougie stuff. Well, I mean I'm all I'm all I'm all down to I mean I love there's a place in what is it to loom Mexico or they have like this whole outside Look so no no no, are you kidding me? That looks fun. No, but you still a jet work out there for sure.

You have whole sets of like these wood looking dumbbells and you've got pull up bar. You got everything you need to get a great workout. I could dig that on the beach, beautiful sunny outside and doing that occasionally. But I think there's times where I just I want to get a gym, especially when you have like serious goals and you're being consistent. I mean, I remember during the competing time, there was plenty of times where I drug myself to the gym. You know, there's a difference between like training

because I love to train and it's like just a part of my lifestyle. And then there's difference like when I have goals that I'm trying to achieve and it's like, I have to go put this volume in. It's just part of like the schedule. And then I would never, that would be so much harder if that meant I had to go outside in the snow or do something like that.

Like fuck this today. Well, there's this one area in Africa. I can't remember the state that's over there. And there's these aspiring bodybuilders that live over there. And their gym is all homemade off of like scrap metal and stones. Have you guys seen these videos of these guys?

Where? It's like these African dudes, they're fucking, they're jacked and they're like lifting a bar with like axles on each side. Or they're doing exercises with like stones because they're poor, they can't afford any equipment. So they've done it, they built their own gym. And these guys look, I mean, they're obviously natural.

They can barely afford to have enough protein. In fact, I was watching Generation Iron 3. Have you guys seen the third one that just came out? I didn't watch the third one. So I only watched some of it. I haven't seen the whole one. Was it a lame or is it? You know, I like this, you know, it's okay.

I like the muscle building and strength, you know, world. So I can always be fascinated by it. You know, Jessica was like, turn this off, I don't like it. But so I watched some of it, but they showed these dudes in Africa who are working out and these fucking, they made them themselves. They go to, they find old rims from equipment or axles, and they make their own equipment in gyms,

and they're working out in there, and you're looking at these guys, and they're all jacked. And you're like, you know, that's pretty cool, you know what I mean? That they find it. There's something cool about that. It's being resourceful and kind of putting it all together, where you can make it a cool workout setup for you. For sure.

So anyway, I like watching that kind of stuff. So anyway, there was another article I wanted to bring up to you guys. I have a million of them here to read to you. So I'm going to bring up the scary one first. The scary one? Yeah. Well, scary for me. You know, stuff that I like to talk about.

So check this out. We've been talking about, or I've bought up a few times, the whole AI, you know, surveillance thing in China. All right. Or they're just They're trying to control their entire populace with this new social credit system. Mm-hmm a high school in China. I'm gonna try and find out where it is Let me see the the high school in China has installed an AI system

that will read facial expressions of the students. And if the students are showing disinterest or that they're not paying attention, the teacher gets alerted. Oh, wow. Yes, that's fascinating. Yeah, dude. So the kids have to like, like, here's what it sounds kind of cool at first. You're like, Oh, cool. That we can keep, you know, see if who's, who's, you know, who's doing whatever. But imagine being that kid, imagine how paranoid and crazy you would feel knowing that you're like, oh cool that we can keep you know see if who's you know who's doing whatever but imagine being that kid Imagine how paranoid and crazy you would feel knowing that you're being watched constantly. Yeah, you know what I mean like the paranoia Fear a lot. I don't know dude. I don't know if kids give a fuck. I don't think they're thinking I think they do I don't think so I

You know every I hear these things and I like to play devil's advocate with it because I agree with you that I think it's crazy the direction they're going, but I could also see the benefits of that. I mean, what a great tool for a teacher to get feedback of you're losing your students. You're losing your students right now. I don't think it's this, like, distant play, it's supposed to be to just discipline these kids

because they're fucking off. It's more like, hey, you're a teacher, you're starting to sound monotone and you're losing 50% of your class now. Here's a alert, like time to switch up, get them to stand up, get them to do something out. There's a difference though, between knowing you need to do a good job

and feeling like you're constantly being monitored. Now, imagine this. Just imagine this, it sounds like they're used to this. No, no, no, it's not about you. Dude, look, go to North Korea, they're used to that too, right? Here's an example. We've all been employed by other people at some point.

Did you like it? If you had a manager, imagine you had a manager follow you around all day long. Just follow, no, I'm just gonna watch you doing all day. You're doing all day, yeah, do your thing. I'm just gonna watch you all day long. At some point, like let me the fuck alone. Like let me do my thing, and if I don't perform,

I get there's a level of management, but that whole like watching you all the time. Like they're trying to... Yeah, I wonder if they'll be a breaking point, you know, where they just are fed up, and there's some kind of revolt as a result of all this like overbearing monitoring. I think it's crazy.

I think it's very normal, dude. I think that they think it's normal. It's very weird for us, and I agree with you, and I wouldn't like that. But I think it's not, I mean, I even see the difference in our kid, the generation now, we're just talking about this other day, about my niece and like not caring that Facebook

is she works for Facebook, no open knows that they can go through her phone and all the stuff that she has and she doesn't care The generation come they say and they already they think that already now. It's like there are no secrets Doesn't matter anymore everybody knows everything. It's so easy to hack and get in as someone wants and your stuff So it's like everybody because it's just because look it's become normal well No, it's because what's the saying you know know, if you put a, you throw a frog and boiling water, they jump out, but if you put them in and then you slowly boil the water,

they don't know they're being boiled alive and they die. I think that's kind of part of what's happening. I think people, they don't know the problems because they don't see anything yet, but then when something, then when shit starts they hit the fan, it's too late. Now, fuck, what do we do now? Well, you've allowed this to happen slowly over time.

It's interesting, because my picture of this whole thing is like this super, like, my Nordy report kind of like high tech monitoring of everybody. And really, like, I saw some news, it was like a, like a article or like, somebody was out there reporting on what what how they were actually like getting all this information a lot of it was just Somebody that was appointed in the village to go around and like get all this information Like handwrite it down and then send it off to the state

And it's not like it's not like the sexy You know like high tech infrastructure that they have yet. It's like very clunky. Yeah. You know, I want to take you back to the boiling water. You just reminded me of something. Are you guys familiar with the vacuum seal and then boil your steaks to like perfection?

Yeah, Enzo was telling you about that. Okay, so with that called, this is not so, is that what it's called? So I'm getting it, right? So I told Katrina to order it today. I want you about that. Okay, so this is now, so is that what it's called? So I'm getting it, right? So I told Katrina to order it today. I wanna get that. So my brother, I've got two people now that are like, I just some of the best cooks in my family

or that are close to me that have told me about this. And they're like, this 100% Adam will be the best steak you've ever had in your life. And you'll cook it to perfection every single time. And so I just got my butcher box in yesterday. I have Katrina ordering this. I'm so fucking pumped about this thing. So it comes with an app, right?

I'm totally selling for this company that I have no idea, like, you know, who they are, what? I've only been told by all these people now and this weekend was like the kicker for me. Like, okay, I said, I'm getting it. Did you try it? No, I just thought that she's ordering it today. Like the butcher box came in for-. I'm getting it. No, I just, she's ordering it today. Like the butcher box came in for, you never tried it before.

No, I haven't personally, but they told me all about how this thing works. And so you pick your, you decide, like your temperature of the meat and the center of the meat is what dictates medium rare, rare or well done, right? So you put it into the app, what temperature you want your meat. So you once you figure out what perfection is for your meat, and you're done.

It's like you've got it now. And now it's prox, when you boil it in the water, because boiling water is always consistent. Exactly. So we can cook for two, you'll never overcook it. You can cook for two, three, four hours. If you set the temperature to go right to where you want it, it'll take the water to that temperature

and it'll keep it there. And it's a slow cook. And then all you do is you take it out and you sear it on each side on a pan. So throw some ghee down, sear it, sear it for 10, 30 seconds on each side. Suckers ready to eat. Yeah, most like high-end restaurants have done this

for a long time, I guess. And which ones are you gonna do, the rib eyes? Oh, I'm gonna do everything in it. You could do everything in it. And on top of this, okay, so I can set it all up and then from my app, I can control it because you want to cook it for like two hours. So what I'll do is like in the afternoon time, like around one or two, I'll turn it on and then when I get home,

all I'll have to do is heat a pan up, throw it on, and I'm so going to supposedly have the most amazing stuff in the life. So here's my only reservation, because Enzo showed me this a while ago, and here's my only reservation with this. The vacuum sealed bag, what is that made out of? I know it's a type of a plastic, and can that be a problem?

Because I know these synthetic components, these plastics, they've been shown to leak or leach chemicals into, you know, like, that's why you don't I suppose some microwave plastic. Well, I figure if I'm using my grass fed butcher box, I'm already, I'm canceling out some of the batch, so if I get a little bit of plastic, I'm smoking organic cigarettes.

Exactly, exactly. He's saying, so I figure, I'm like, I'm even now. I'm good. Well, Doug, you'm like, I'm even now. I'm good. Doug, well Doug, you're like the biggest cook dude around in this room at least. Have you heard anything about these bags if they're safe for what the deal is? I haven't, but I have the same concerns as well.

Because I mean, you're boiling plastic for two hours. Right on your meat. Probably not so good. Well, let's look it up. There's gotta be something, it's probably not your basic plastic. I can't imagine it's regular plastic that you're heating up in there.

Well, no, it's a plastic you cook on, but still, you know. That's the only thing I have a reservation for, but I heard it tastes good. I heard it. I've heard now from multiple people, it's fucking amazing. That's what people keep saying. Yeah, it's the business.

So I'm on it, I'm gonna do it. I'll give you guys this feedback. Hopefully I live with the plastic. I'll use the butcher box grass fed that'll cancel it out. Yeah, so I'll be all right. All right, so I got an article for you. This is another duh article, but sometimes I love studies because you need to, you have to confirm the obvious sometimes.

So here's the title of the study. And this was in FISPOST, which is like a psychology publication. So here's the title of it, women, but not men, seek to actively punish sexualized women, a study finds. So new research has found evidence that both men and women are prejudiced towards sexualized women. But only women are willing to endure a cost to themselves to punish a woman who appears to be promiscuous.

So they did this study where they took people and through this study, they were able to see if people were willing to punish another individual if they were perceived as being promiscuous at a cost to themselves. So they would also suffer, but they would want to punish someone enough that they wouldn't mind suffering. So it was like a game where you lose money or whatever. Men didn't want to do that. Although both sexes were prejudice towards women who were considered promiscuous, you know,

that's why you have the terms like slut and all that stuff. It was the women who were the most, who were the most adamant at punishing the other women. Really? Yeah, which to me is, you know, I, I actually posted this in the forum just to see what people would say. And it was a lot of comments. It went off. There was a lot of conversation around it. And women, a lot of women in the comments were like, yeah, this is, you know, some of them were saying one of our forum members is like, well, you know, I'm an exotic dancer. And she's like, women are the ones that give me the hard time.

It's never a man. It's never a guy that give me the real hard time. Of course not. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, I know it's fucked up. It's fucked up. It's pretty obvious, right? It is obvious. It's, it's, I've read a lot about this. And evolutionary scientists think it's the, it's just because for a long time, sex was a very valuable currency that women held. That's what it is.

And if you're in a tribe and or a society and there's a woman that's just giving out sex for free, it devalues what you have to offer. Well, so then the women come together and they banish. I was gonna say don't you feel like too that we're just naturally more competitive with our own sex, wouldn't you think so? For the things that we are-

Just period. Anything, I was just thinking, I was just watching this video on Stan Effarding's page and he's got this girl that I'm following now and she squats like fucking 600 and something. Oh, I've seen her. Yeah, like- That's fucked up. Yeah, like three times what I can do. But I'm like, I'm following now and she squats like fucking 600 something. Oh, I've seen her. Yeah, like that's fucked up. Yeah, like three times what I can do.

But I'm like, I'm rooting for her. Like I'm not like, er, like, but if it was a guy, there's a different, there's a different feeling that you have about it. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like there's something, there's more of this competitiveness that you have with another male because it's a male

versus, oh, because it's a woman, I'm cheering for her. I mean, that's part of it. You know what I'm saying? But this is a very specific thing, you know, because I think most women can, or a lot of women can identify with, you know, not wanting to be labeled that, you know, fine, I've wore a short skirt, now people are going to look at me a particular way.

And they're under a different type of scrutiny than men are, right, because men can, we can kind of be promiscuous and not have the same kind of scrutiny. But a lot of it comes from other women. And again, like I said, scientists think it's because, for a long time, they had to control the, you know, the market for sex, if you will. And if there's too much of it out there, it devalues, you know, one of their currencies, one of their powerful currencies. It's one of the reasons why they think, you know, they're one of their currencies, one of their parableful currencies. It's one of the reasons why they think, you know, female humans are able,

or have sex even when they're not able to procreate, because not all mammals do that. Most mammals only have sex when they're in heat, whereas female humans have sex all the time. And they think that that was a part of the way that they kept their mate around, was they were able to provide them. So that's like a currency, right?

So if you've got another woman in your tribe who's attractive and banging all the dudes, you and the other women are gonna come together and be like, we need to kill her. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of fucked up, but it's an obvious one. Yeah, I think so. Hey, what did you get as far as your results

on your bulk or cut? Oh, yeah. I saw your post on your... I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, you know. So it was a little bit of an experiment. So I posted on my Instagram. I put bulk.

Yeah, I want you to get jacked at bulk. I want you to do like 500 milligrams of testosterone. Oh, calm down. I put like 30, 30 pounds on you. Come on. Oh, no, no, no. Come on. I'm good, man.

I get swole. So I took a selfie. I had a good workout. Nice pump, good lighting, sal, typical, sal selfie, everything look good. Posted it and I said, you know, weigh 194 pounds, should I go for a bulk or should I get shredded? And the reason why I did that wasn't because I want,

you know, an opinion so I know which direction to go. I wanted to see what ratio of men to women would want me to bulk versus. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And were you able to tease that out? I was. So I didn't get the exact number, but predominantly men wanted me to bulk course. And shred was far more women. Yeah, which I, which was obvious to me. It's just funny. I mean, I knew that was going to happen. But I wanted to test it out to see.

Now, the hardcore fitness people, here's a crazy thing. The hardcore fitness people, because then I would look and see, because there's a lot of people voting, right? So I looked through at least a few hundred, and when you could see that their avatar or whatever was like somebody who obviously worked out, either they're flexing or they're competing,

those people wanted me to bulk. So all the people that are really into working out want to meet a bulk. More of the everyday, especially women, said, get shredded. Yeah, yeah. So I thought that was kind of interesting. Dude, I weighed myself for the first time today and probably three, four months, maybe more.

Got a guess? How much you weigh? Yeah, yeah. Uh, two. Two, five. Two, ten. One, ninety-six. Holy shit!

I haven't been under two hundred. You and I weigh the same almost? One ninety-six right now. Wow. The Bradley Cooper look is on full. That's it. It's in full. That's actually a fight club by Brad Pitt.

That's actually technically a good, old fine body weight for you. Well, it's where my, you know, part of me kind of doing this right now, my volume of training is extremely low. I'm kind of just eating when I'm hungry. You know, I know I've said it for a long time on the forum and everybody used to fucking talk shit to me,

but it's because they came into me after I'd been training to be on a stage. My body really wants to be around this one, and I think it'll keep going lower. I'm actually soft right now. So if I were to lean out and get to a lower body, I would say you haven't been lifting that much. I wonder if you really, if you just composition change. Yeah, I think that would be, you're probably right,

but I still think, because you and I are both ectomorphish. Yes. I mean, we both are, and you're taller than I am. So you're what, six three, six four, six three. Yeah, so you're probably, you know, if you're what, six three, six four, six three. Yeah, so you're probably, you know, if you're real consistent pushing it, you know, and your hormone levels are normal,

you're probably gonna be around 200 to a five is where I would think, right? Yeah, I mean, we'll see, you know, I'm kind of just allowing myself to lean out kind of naturally like that. I'm cleaning the diet up, starting now in the January. So we'll kind of see what happens to my body composition, picking up like I said, picking up the training again,

multiple times per week, but I'm not gonna go crazy. I just wanna kind of see where my body kind of lands. I also just sent in my test from everywhere, well, too. So I just sent the testosterone one in, so I'll go. See where that's at? Yeah, so we'll see where that's all at, but I just found that interest. I've weighed myself in months.

If I'm not pushing myself in terms of my resistance training and I'm not like really lifting and feeling good, my weight tends to wanna be in the one, it'll fall below 190 easily, what 88 on 87. Yeah, it takes work for me to be up in the 200s for sure. Yeah, right now I'm feeling really healthy, so I'm able to eat more,

assimilate more of the food and so my body weights in that mid 190, and I'm not shredded right body weight's in that mid 190 and I'm not shredded right now. I'm relatively lean, but I'm not shredded. And I think this is where I know people more people said bulk for me than cut, but I don't even know if I, I mean, I don't think I can bulk without, I don't think I can add more muscle. I've been doing this for so long.

I think I've hit that peak, you know what I'm saying? I don't think I can ever go past that anymore. Oh, well, maybe a few pounds, but not like, you're not gonna add. Unless you take it on something like a synthetic. No, no, no. Synthetic. I'm gonna remain. I gotta stay this way, man.

Cause if I go on some shit, I'll wanna stay out. I'm sure. That article that we, that blog I did on CrossFit, it's, I haven't gotten any heat for it, but I would. Well, it's well read. I wanted it. Yeah, I wanted that to happen. Like it's some haters in the group and, you know, come after you.

I was very honest with my opinion. It's something that we've talked about on the show about the, some of the follies of the CrossFit exercise programming. I think we, I think it, yeah. I think right now it's, it's, it's getting around to our audience and people that already listen to the show or people connected to us. So, I don't think it's a big shock and all.

Like, when you read it, I think it's well written. I think you articulate your points. And we've already said this on the show many, many times. So, I don't think it's that. I wasn't expecting you to get any real confidence. Now, if it does get shared in the CrossFit community and there's more and more people that I read, I'm sure you'll ruffle some feathers.. But anyway, that listens to the show. They understand our stance. Yeah, I just wanted to see the counter argument, you know, but it's just, it's kind of hard

to argue. Like a lot of those points because again, it's pretty well thought out. Yeah. I mean, it's been a while since we looked at stuff like that. Do you guys know where CrossFit is? Like, are there more gyms closing now than opening? Like, I would love to see those things. Yeah, I think that, I think nationally, just from my research, nationally, it's flat. And then, I know overseas it's growing. Overseas it's growing, nationally, it's flat.

Now, my finger on the pulse of it, from people who I've talked to who are in the world, the business world of CrossFit are saying that it's starting to shrink in the US. That's flattened out and now it's starting to decline a little bit. I don't think the bubble has popped yet, but I think we're starting to see signs that the trend is dying off.

And usually what happens in fitness is a trend will explode. And it gets depending on how much value it provides will help determine how big it gets. Then there's a bit of a flattening out, then it pops, and then you start to get a little backlash. You know what I mean? Where people start to talk crap about it or make fun of it. And we're not there yet. I don't think we're at that point yet, but I definitely think something like that's gonna happen. I think we're gonna keep a lot of the good. Doug, can you find anything on this?

I would love to hear how many gyms in this last year of CrossFit have opened or closed and where it's at in this patch. I don't know. I wonder, has it got big enough to wear it? It's so big, it's got so much power momentum that they can still, they can pivot and move and start to make better decision. Because then I also hear that side of it too. I hear people that have drank the cool aid and

they talk all about the great stuff that's coming down and how they're changing their views on things and they're trying to make this better and they're trying to make that better. So, maybe it grew to a size that they... Well, most of the ones I've heard that are doing well have removed themselves from the branding of CrossFit. That's what I'm saying. I feel like it's... I don't know if that's a win for CrossFit. That's what I'm saying. I think what may happen is a little bit of a good stuff with that. Okay, now let's use that exact example with something very close to us, which is 24-Fitness.

And most of the really, really successful trainers are off doing their own thing and of creating a thing. Does 24-Fitness still exist? I know it filed for Chapter 11 at one point, but I mean, it's still a massive company that's still around and still making tons of money. Yeah, but it's controlled differently. 24-Fitness owns the gyms that they own. No, I get it, but my point of that is,

the point that you guys just made was that there's a bunch of people that are no longer with CrossFit that are doing their own thing because they're having more successful, but they were having a lot of success under CrossFit, and they realized, oh shit, I could go do some, I don't. Well, that's the exact same process. Well, here's a more direct.

A trainer goes through when they work for a lot of companies. Yeah, but that's not a good comparison. He would be a better comparison. Imagine if the gym managers for 24 fitness had the opportunity to at some point eliminate the 24 fitness name and then put another name on it and not have to pay a fee to 24 fitness.

That would have destroyed it. Imagine that. You could use their name, build up your business, build up a amount of people, and then say, I don't wanna pay my fee anymore. That's what a lot of the gems are doing. Is they're using, they use the CrossFit name to grow an audience, and then they took it off. Yeah, but with that, there's probably a lot of people

that because they know they can't do that, go like, oh shit, I'm gonna do that too, and they have the intentions of doing that, but they can never get out from underneath that umbrella because they're not good enough to grow it outside. So long as the brand has the same pull. Yeah, you're right. Right, right.

So I think, I think that it probably appeals to a lot of people because of what you just said. Like if I was thinking the same thing, I'd be like, well, shit, you know, I don't know a lot about CrossFit, but I can totally put the name underneath it. I'll use all their programming and I'll do what they say. I'll hopefully that'll grow my business up

and then once I get to a point, then I'll swoop and I'll change how many people get involved with it and start to do it with those intentions and never get to the point where they can even branch out. It's interesting. There was a bunch of these leagues that popped up for a fitness sport league. I think it was like a super league. And then there's also Titan games that's coming out. Wow.

That's worldwide. Wow though. It's still, wow. That's mostly coming from. Okay, United States down to two to five percent per year. Okay, since 2015 affiliate growth has slowed the United States down to about two to five. So it's still getting growth.

You're over here bro. Yeah, very, very, it's still getting growth. You're over here, bro. Very, very, very, it's flattening out. So I've talked to, I talked to a few people who have owned multiple locations. And one of the big polls of, Wait, say, I want to read this, dude. There's a lot of stuff in here, hold on. Yeah, you can read this.

It appears to be in the past 12 months. Well, it's all the questions that we were talking and asking, Doug found a good article right here. In the past 12 months, 2,500 new affiliates registered with CrossFit. Can't see because of the thing. Yeah, 820, or the United States. Yeah, isn't this the CrossFit publication,

this actual publication? Morning Chaka. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely. Yeah, I think it's- Crossfit affiliated. Yeah, I'm not saying that it's wrong, just- They just do that with everything. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it is, it's actually-

So, I've talked to a few people that own a lot of this boxes and one of the big, alluring things about a Crossfit initially was its low cost of starting up. You could just open up this warehouse gym. It wouldn't cost so much. You can't do that anymore. You talked to a lot of these CrossFit owners. Well, because everyone's elevating. That's what I'm saying. Same rise into the top. So there's a lot of the factors that contributed to its growth are starting

to fall off. And so we're seeing this flattening out. I've heard about that. And with the city, like ordinance or whatever, like they've made it. So you had to go into retail locations if you had like a fitness type of a... Oh really? Yeah, like they've moved it. So you can't necessarily run out of like warehouse

or industrial. This is what I've heard in a lot of cities have done that. How's our buddy Ronnie doing? I haven't actually, I was just thinking about him when you were talking about this and I haven't seen him pop up in my mind. I know. Yeah, there's a few guys that are good friends of mine

that still run in, you know, cross-bought boxes in the area. So yeah, I'm wondering how their boxes are doing. Yeah, I don't think that, I mean, we've talked to quite a few people now and Offair shared financials with us and it doesn't seem like if you own one, one or two of these things, there's not a ton of money in them.

You're not killing it. It's definitely one of those things you're doing because you love it, right? You're doing it because you get to own your own gym, say you own your own gym, get workouts whenever you want. You get this little facility that you can go into whenever you feel.

I think that that's more and more people figuring that out or finding out that, oh shit, it's really not a super lucrative business. And like Souset, it sounded peeling at the beginning because you could get in for 10 or 20 grand. You could have basically a box that is, it would work, but that box definitely is not gonna compete with some of these boxes now that are all

done up and sick, you know. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what ends up happening. I think it's gonna flatten out, and I think it'll start to drop. I don't think it'll go away and sick, you know? Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what ends up happening. I think it's gonna flatten out, I think it'll start to drop. I don't think it'll go away. I think it'll still get exist. I don't think it's gonna be necessarily like a bubble, like some of the other trends that we've seen

because there's some fundamentals in CrossFit that we've talked about many times that really fundamentally affected. I really thought that Orange Theory was gonna be the death of it. I really did. I really believe that when you look at the majority, right, there's only a very small percentage of CrossFit people that are competing in the games.

Like, when you think of the total growth, the total amount of people that are going to these facilities, that most of them are the average Jainer Joe that wants to be in shape and be healthy. And most of those people, honestly, probably shouldn't be doing a lot of the stuff that's in there. And Orange Theory comes out and does something that kind of appeals to those people, I think, a lot better than the CrossFit mentality. And so I thought that with the rise, the sharp rise of OTF, that it would do a significant dent in the business.

So I wonder, because they're still on the clock. They're going very quickly. Very quick. And I think a lot of that is being fed from CrossFit. People that have already decided that they like this class type setting, this group workout, that's challenging, that's high intensity, only now you get to do it in the comfort of a nice air

condition, or heated room with TVs and monitors, with your name up on it, and points, and community. Like it's got all the same, all the same cool stuff that CrossFit does when you do that. with TVs and monitors, with your name up on it, and points, and community. It's got all the same cool stuff that CrossFit does. This article says that now more affiliate locations are located outside of the US than inside the US. So the growth is exploded. So what does that tell you?

That tells you a couple different things. Either it's saturated here. The market is now bare, what's gonna bare and it's met market demand, or what we're witnessing, which is what we've seen many times in the fitness industry, not saying this is what's gonna happen with CrossFit, but this is just what tends to happen, is that you get this growth and then a reversal

of growth where everything kind of backs goes back down. So we'll see. Time will tell what's going to. What do you think it will forever exist? I think you think it will. You think it will completely die one time at one point. I don't know. That's one can only hope.

Just it. I think because they, I think because they did the sport in it, I don't think it will completely die. I think there's too many people that think it's fun. I think it's cool to watch. I think it's a very cool sport. And I think that that because of that, even it could eat like kettlebell sport, like it's going to exist. Will it ever grow to be something massive? Probably not. You know what I'm saying? It's not going to go anywhere massive, but it's it'll still exist because there'll be

people that really love kettlebells and love training that way and it's fun and it's competitive. There's always going to be a room for these niche communities like powerlifting communities, like strongman communities. And they'll get their time in the sun where, yeah, I remember strongman was way more popular back in the day. And I'm sure they got a lot more views on ESPN and stuff, but I'm sure it just kind of goes, it comes and goes based off of what people are interested in.

I think the sport hinges on the good looking fit, but attainable looking athlete. I think as long as they have these athletes that look ripped and look muscular, but kind of look attainable and have good personalities. I think that'll start testing. So stop testing. That's already changing though, right?

That's already, I mean, they're looking more freakish. Bodybuilders. Yeah. I mean, they're definitely, and then we wait that discussion we have with John Romano. I mean, after talking to him, I feel convinced that everybody is cycling steroids. Yeah. You know, even the ones that don't even totally look like it are just better at cycling on and off of them than other people. We'll see. We'll see.

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Quique-quique! First question is from 00 Silk Drop. What are some exercises for strengthening wrists? Oh, she was a little more of this question. She said that when she fatigues doing dumbbell exercises that her wrists start to break. Give away. Yeah, and you know, this is common.

It's very common. It's very common with clients. And you know, for the average lifter, maybe not so common, but then as you can start to get really strong, what do you, what, what becomes an issue? Because it's so common, we've all seen this for a long time. Have you ever speculated on why that is, like, why that's a common thing now? Oh, my, well, you think so?

You think so? We just don't carry shit anymore? Our hands are, our hands are what connect the rest of our body to the real world. And in the, in the real world, if you can't hold something or handle something with your hands, then you can't move it, you can't handle it. It doesn't matter how strong your legs and your arms and your back is, you can't do anything with it.

And everyday life consists of typing buttons and opening car doors. And we don't even, we don't even open windows anymore the same way. I mean, it wasn't the long ago. And you had to open your car window, you had to crank on a, that's old school. Yeah, you had to crank on a knob.

Now you just, everything's buttons. So our hands are just so weak. And when they do strength tests of the population, because there's studies that show that kids are, something absurd, like 20% weaker than they were just 20 years ago. It's something scary like that. Or the elderly when they test their teeth. I would love to test. I remember when I was in Chicago and I ran a lab for the strength conditioning lab, and we tested the entire campus on their grip strength. And it was so crazy, like the variant you'd see,

like just how certain people were very strong, but it was like a very small amount of people that had really strong grip strength. Well, what I always tell people is, regardless, okay, so let me put it this way, let's say someone's doing a chest press, and they're like, oh, you know, when I'm lifting this weight, my chest and my shoulders get so fatigued, what should I do?

Well, the answer would be you got to go lighter, you can't handle that weight. But for some reason, when it comes to the hands and wrists, people don't understand that. My wrist break when I fatigue, what should I do? The same thing you would do if your chest couldn't lift it, your back couldn't lift it. You got to back down, you're just not strong enough

to handle that weight. Yeah. And it realises where it's about to break. And for me, I try and really slow down the process and identify that and focus on that. So that's an area where, okay, if that's a weakness, let me really dive into that and get into the isometric portion of that where I'm like, okay, where's this, I need to stop my movement and really focus on, you know,

being able to strengthen that, that, that. Well, this is where your tension stuff comes up big time, you know. This is where, and this is where I do see value in doing things like, you know, an alternating dumbbell press, where what that, you're having to stabilize these dumbbells that you're pressing back and forth, and because of that, you're keeping tension in that area for a longer period of time than if you were to just be pressing both dumbbells together.

Like there's a lot of value for somebody who has weaker wrists to do types of movements like this that will challenge that. And it's an extra tension. Yeah, and I think too, like a lot of just stabilizing. So for, I mean, one that's not super easily accessible because not everybody has kettlebells, but such a great exercise for an overhead press with the bottoms up press. Just because of the way that the weight is above your hand, and

the forces it provides left to right, front to back, and you know, rotationally, you have to, you have to stabilize a lot more as you go to press and it really does help to focus all that around the wrist and in the form. Yeah, there were two bad habits that I developed as a young lifter because I started out with bad technique because I had observed it in bodybuilding magazines and I thought that was the way we were supposed to lift. And it took me a

long time to correct them. So one of them was when I would do a back exercise is I would grip the bar with my fingertips. So I wouldn't take a full grip on the bar. I grip on my fingertips because I would read these bodybuilders say, you know, don't take a full grip because you could isolate your back more and squeeze your back more. Now whether that's true or not, I started working out that way and it got to the point where I had to use wrist wraps in order to lift heavy weight.

And at some point, I realized like the folly in that and so I went back to using a regular grip, got rid of my wrist wraps. It took me, it took me about a year to build up my wrist strength or my hand strength to get to the point now where I could grip a weight that I could lift with the rest of my body, that my hands could also handle.

The other bad habit that I developed was, and this came from watching, or looking at pictures of Arnold benching, was this thumbless wrist back grip on the bar. You guys know exactly what I'm talking about. I guarantee you guys did the same thing, everybody did, right? Where the bar kind of sits in your palms, your thumb is not on the bar. You guys know exactly what I'm talking about. I guarantee you guys did the same thing. Everybody did, right? Where the bar kind of sits in your palms, your thumb is not around the bar.

It's on the same side as your fingers, it's like with a called monkey grip. So you don't even have a hard grip on the bar and you press the weight and I developed that habit for years and then when I went to go correct it, man, I didn't feel stable with a full grip. I almost felt I couldn't lift as much. So I had to back way down and get to the point

where I could handle. Again, you had to back down because whatever your weakest link is, that's the determining factor with the amount of weight that you're going to use. Even if the weakest link is not the target muscle group, that still is the weakest link. Well otherwise you have to support it with a wrist wrap or something like that to be able to stabilize it externally. But yeah, you have to like support it with a wrist wrap or something like that to be able to stabilize it, you know, externally. But yeah, you have to do the work. You have to, you have to get different grips that you have to get used to and adjust towards and, you know, pick things up that are heavy and hold them and stabilize them. And it's just really like a real basic things like that can really help build and develop more strength on your

wrists. There's not a lot of information on wrist and hand strengthening online, mainly because it's not sexy. And a while ago, I had convinced. I mean, these wrists are sexy. Yeah, yours are super sexy. wrist model. Creepy. The a while ago, I convinced Taylor to let me do just a basic forearm, you know, hand strengthening workout video. And the reason why I had to convince him is because he's like no one's gonna watch it. Nobody cares about that stuff, which I understood. So valid point. Yeah, no, it's a valid point. It's not sexy. But I also thought it's, there's nothing else out there. So maybe because we'll be one of the few guys presenting stuff that it'll get some traction.

It actually did, I got a lot of views, I don't know how many views it's at now, you would know better than me, I don't know. Yeah, no, it's up there, it's one of our, it's in the top 10 most viewed YouTube videos we've done. And this is a basic wrist strengthening developing video, so you can check that out, I'll have Jackie put that in our show notes. But keep this in mind, there's basically, maybe four or five basic things that you wanna address

with your hands and your wrists if you wanna work them out. The first one is wrist extension, that's where if your arm is out in front of you or your palm is facing down, extension would be, bringing your fingertips back towards your forearm. So not curling them down, but bringing them back. That's like reverse curls. Like a reverse curl, right? That's called wrist extension. So you want to strengthen that. And you can do that very easily with dumbbells where you place your hand at the edge of a bench.

So your hand is kind of hanging over. You have a dumbbell and you just do, you know, where you pull your hand up. The other one is wrist flexion. That's pointing down. That's where you curl your wrist down. The other one is wrist flexion. That's pointing down. That's where you curl your wrist down. The other two directions are left to right. So that's lateral flexion or extension. So that's where, and you can do that also with the dumbbell, where you hammer curls. Yeah, hammer curl will do that.

Or just just brace your arm on a bench, hang your hand over, and then bring your thumb up towards it. It's a very short movement. And you can do the same thing with the opposite direction. And then there's grip strength where you want to squeeze something and go through a full range of motion where you're actually strengthening the grip.

But here's the other thing that you want to consider. See, I'm not a fan of doing isolation exercises for something like this because everything you just named, there's a bigger movement that has a ton of carryover for that. Like I would never like tell someone to- Is it sadless? Yes, like a deadless would be for your grip string to talk about.

I would do reverse curls to get what you're trying to get for extension on the wrist. I would do something where a hammer curl for your lateral, like going back up and down with your wrist. So I would pick bigger movements that also accomplish that at the same time and just slowly progress that because I feel like there'd be so much carry over that. I agree with that.

I also think too that there needs to be emphasis on a bit of like the priming element to like, how can I set myself up for all these different types of movements that my wrist is capable of So these wrist cars that we present in you know, Maps Prime Pro or like you see you know in FRC You know they help to Show you like sort of where the discrepancies lie where you're not being able to produce any sort of power or control. Yeah, no, I agree. I think if you do a lot of good, fun, foundational movements, the average person probably doesn't need to do or won't need to do a lot of these movements. However, there are situations like this where, you know, because if you read our whole thing, it's a

limiting factor for her. She would probably benefit from doing some stuff with their hands and wrists. There's also the population of people, which is actually rather large of people who have wrist issues from working on a computer, like Carpool Tunnel. You know, Carpool Tunnel Syndrome, I've had a lot of clients who showed signs of that

and through working on their hands wrist and also using massage, we were able to completely eliminate a lot of those issues in pain. So I think it's still important to pay attention, but I will say this, there's different forms of strength with your muscle and with muscles. One of them is isometric strength. That one is the most valuable when it comes to your grip.

For example, when I look at my legs, for example, there's a lot of value in being strong and moving through a full range of motion. There's definitely value in being isometrically strong where I just maintain a position, but that's no more apparent than with the hands. Think about what you're doing through all these wraps or exercises that you're doing with a barbell, you're doing with a dumbbell, you're holding the entire time. Like the rest of your limbs are, you know, and your joints are, you know, flexing extending,

but like your wrist is, I mean, you're locked in that position. And so you wanna train to be able to endure, you know, a longer period of time. Yeah, and this is easy. You could do this if you have to, if you wanna work on your isometric strength time. Yeah, and this is easy. You could do this if you want to work on your isometric strength, free hands, it's super easy. You can get yourself a $5 pair of grippers,

which are cheap. You probably don't even need to get grippers. You can actually just squeeze a ball or something like that, but get some grippers. And then at your desk, do a few reps and then hold it for a little bit. You don't want to go to fatigue because you can over train your hands like anything else.

But just hold it for 10 seconds, squeeze it and let it go. Do that, you know, two, three times a day, if your hands start to get sore, your forearm, your sore, you start to feel pain up at the elbow where the forearm muscles attach, lay off on it for a little while, jump back on it. You'd be surprised at how fast the hands get strong. And I, because I did sports like judo and jiu-jitsu,

which rely a lot on grip strength, because we're using the G-Ice to work on my hands all the time, one thing I used to love doing, this is a lot of fun, especially if we have any jiu-jitsu guys listening or judo guys, this is a great one. Take your G-E, wrap it over a pull-up bar, and do pull-ups by holding on to the sleeves. So you're working on that.

See now, I like judo. That I like, because there's so much carry-over and sleeves. So you're working on that. See now I like that I like, that I like because there's so much carryover and something else that you're doing. And I feel like I don't think I've ever had a client, ever in my life that I've sat down and done, you know, isometric risk type movements where I'm just sitting there doing like a dumbbell, crow that I would, I think if this person moved away

from as much, me, I'm dead lifting it with a barbell, that's about it, but all like my pressing movements and stuff, I would now move to dumbbells, because of the instability of the dumbbell, you're going to get more wrist strength from that than doing like a straight barbell. I think the bottom's up press that Justin said is fucking for sure a staple movement's in there. I think reverse curls and hammer curls and then doing like the strap pull-ups. Men, you put that into your routine.

Yeah. And just you can do the same thing you mentioned too, is like two towels. Like I remember you used to do that quite a bit. You pull-ups with two towels, so you got to grip the towel and then- Yeah. Yeah.

Now here's another thing too. I don't know if you guys have done this well. When I'm doing a heavy dumbbell press, if I place my hand in the middle of the bar, it doesn't feel as stable as when I slide my hand to where my hand touches the bell on one side. Is that a technique that either of you have ever used or do you go straight in the middle?

Oh yeah, no, if I'm going like heavier, yeah, I definitely will slide out a bit. So it's like, but it's racing against one side. Exactly. Yeah, there's a little technique. Well, you could mess, if you were trying, if I was again, trying to strengthen my wrist, actually grabbing, like, so let's say I'm doing hammer curls.

Now it's natural for someone to grab either middle or to the top to where the dumbbells are resting, but if I was trying to strengthen you, I would go the opposite. On the bottom. On the bottom. I would challenge, because that would, as you resist on the way down,

it's gonna be much more challenging for you to do that. And if that's what we're, that's our adaptation that we're chasing, those are little adjustments that I would make. And see, that's how, at least that's how my brain works as a trainer. I'm running you through your, your, your still, your, all your movements that I would want you training. I'm just making little variations like that.

I'm going to do a bottoms up press and set. So I'm doing like a normal curl. I'm going to do a reverse curl and a hammer curl inside there. Instead of doing just standard pull ups, I'm going to grab the, the, the t-shirts or the, like you said, or I'm going to do a reverse curl and a hammer curl inside there. Instead of doing just standard pull ups, I'm gonna grab the t-shirts or like you said, or I'm gonna do deadlifts with the axle bar. Like, I'm gonna do a lot of the same type of movements. I'm just gonna make some subtle adjustments that I know to challenge my hands that much more.

There's one exercise in particular that nobody ever does anymore that probably all you would ever have to do is this exercise. If you just wanted to work your hands and wrists, a little extra is a Zontmann curl. That, you know, that works kind of through the full range of motion of curling and it's a great exercise. It was a staple back in the day.

Nobody does it anymore because it's not like a bicep hammering exercise but it does work your biceps, works the big gyalis, the brachio-radialis, it works the forearm flexors and extensors, it works them all. That's a really good one. You know, when we're talking about forearms,

I know a lot of guys work out because I want to appeal to the opposite sex. Do you know when they do surveys of women? Yes, we've talked about that. Yeah, it's like one of the top five body parts that women find most attractive in the man. I think it falls under the, hands and forearms. I think it falls under the the pop-up hands and four i think i think it falls under the arms category

i think it's i don't think it's specifically to the hands are well with the the the poll that i remember what this was we had a debate or something i looked it up i think they were saying something like when a man rolls a sleeves up and you can see his forms and you know uh... anyway next question is from madness fit how who are you guys about toxins,

molds, plastics, et cetera? What steps do you take to consciously limit your exposure to toxins? This is a good question. Yeah, didn't you say you were doing something with your Wi-Fi at home now turning it off? I did. And so I think I'm probably one of the better people

to ask about this, because I think I think it sounds the most woo-woo about everything. I think Justin don't give a fuck. And then I think I'm somewhere in the middle where, I'm always trying to make conscious efforts to limit this stuff. So some of the examples of things that I'm not good about.

One, Wi-Fi, like letting my Wi-Fi, I've got all the little adapters in my house so I get like maximum Wi-Fi in there, which I'm probably just shooting more of that shit through me, can't be ideal, right? And I know that. So because I know that, I'm not somebody who's as weird as Ben Greenfield where I'll have no Wi-Fi in my house

because of that and make it like that. But I'm a type of person. I hope he's weird. I hope in like 10 years we're not like, oh shit. Yeah. We were all smoking cigarettes and then you realize it. Right, right. No, and that's what the lot of these people

that are really extreme with it believe. You know, they believe that that's gonna be that. I don't so much believe that. I believe that a lot of these studies that we're seeing that all these things are starting to connect their link to cancer. I think it's an accumulation of all of it. I think microwaving your plastic, I think taking in all this artificial fucking food, I

think having Wi-Fi blasted on you all the time, staring at screen, I think all of these things are compounding and all the chemicals we're putting on our skin and our body. I think it's just an accumulation of all of that. That is starting to compound and cause these negative side effects that we're hearing about and seeing. So that being said, I don't run around with a 10 foil hat all the time, but I do try and pay attention to that. I get a day, I caught myself microwaving in a tupperware.

I've done this many, many times. Now I know ideally, I would be doing that in class and not plastic. It's not smart for me to do that. So I'm aware of it. So because I'm aware of it, I try and make a conscious effort. Now, am I also the type of person who won't eat something because I have to microwave it?

No. I mean, if I have to, if I'm, it's time to eat, happens to be in plastic. I don't have a choice. It's getting fucking cooked. I'm eating some plastic today. That's just kind of how I roll. It's like I'm I don't have a choice. It's getting fucking cooked. I'm eating some plastic today. That's just kind of how I roll It's like I'm trying to make a conscious effort all the time to minimize the exposure of all these things that probably

Whether they're so bad. They're gonna cause cancer in my body. I don't know yet But I most certainly don't think I'm going to try and challenge that you said you started turning your Wi-Fi off at night Yeah, so recently Katrina and I have, so we bought these things, I think, through Xfinity, is who supplies them. And because I have a three story, right? I put in every level, there's all these little adapters. And so it shoots the Wi-Fi throughout the house, so I got fucking great Wi-Fi in the entire house.

Well, on top of that, I'm sure I'm probably shooting it all over me right on top of that. And Katrina sure I'm probably shooting it all over me right on top of that. And Katrina and I, about, I don't know, I'd say about three months ago, and since we had this, I have this ability to, from my phone and the app, to just shut the entire Wi-Fi off, and I can schedule it like, okay, 10 PM at night, I wanted to shut down and then restart back up at whatever.

And she swears that she feels a difference with her sleep. And I can't debate her. I definitely don't feel like my sleep is getting worse by us turning it off. And I think I've had some pretty good nights rest. And can I connect that to the wifi being turned off? I don't know yet. But I sure as shit, it's not a hard thing for me to do.

I'm not using it at one o'clock in the morning anyways. What does it hurt me if we have the tools to schedule this thing and turn it off? Like fuck, I'm doing it, you know what I'm saying? Well, would I find funny? That those are there right there. Is that there, there? What I find funny is what we considered

to be woo, woo, like five years ago today is like accepted now knowledge. For example, I remember distinctly, okay, I'm gonna put us on block. Or organic food. No, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna put us on blast right now. I remember us distinctly making fun of people wearing blue-blocker glasses.

I remember us being like, oh God. You gotta wear glasses now to block to whatever, who cares, to seat right and exercise. Well, because you look like an idiot. Well, okay, so I'm still, okay, I'm still gonna get on board with that though. Like, what I think is awesome about the glasses that we have now, it's under these fucking dorky ass orange glasses,

they look like normal eyewear. Yeah, but besides that, besides the fact that it looks great or doesn't, if somebody had worn glasses four years ago when we started Mind Pump, and they look clear and nice, and you said, hey, it doesn't look like you have a prescription, why you're wearing those? And they said, oh, it's the block blue light because it's not good for your pituitary and makes you produce less melatonin. All of us would have chuckled.

No, I disagree. I think part of what makes me especially you know, you would have had fun with a fashionable problem. No, I wouldn't and this is why I would because I think it's a bit pretentious with the orange. It's like, look at me. I'm blue blocking right now. Look at my family and we're walking around it. It is.

It's like owning the first pre-instead. It's like walking around with a stringer. It's like walking around wearing a stringer tank top everywhere. That's the way I look at it. That's, it's not, it's, yeah, but the, as far as, it's not the guy, it's not because, as far as why they were doing it, all of us were like, oh, that's silly.

All of us were like that. And now you look at the science and guess what? Supports the fuck out of it. Now I'm not saying that that's gonna be the case with everything, because there's a lot of things that we were worried about for a while and then we realized that's not that big of a deal. But there's a lot of stuff that's not big.

Well organic food, just 15 years ago was woo-woo. It was. So that all get on board with you. What about aluminum foil on everything? And now we're saying, oh shit, leech is in your food, get stored in your body, probably not a good idea. What about some of the compounds in certain cosmetics? Now here's the deal with all this stuff, okay?

If, because we live in the modern world, if you sit down and make a list of all the shit that could cause insults to your body, you're gonna make a list that's a mile long and you're gonna be paranoid all the time. So, my advice is this, focus on the most important things first. If you can't dial those in, you can forget about all the other stuff. Like, if your diet is shit, then don't worry about, you know,

getting organic deodorant. Like, that's not gonna make that as big of a dip, not even close to as big of a dip. Well, and back to your blue blocker analogy too. Like we talk about the big rocks and the things that make the biggest impact. And one of the things that we've talked about on this show is sleep is like up there with the most important things

that you can take care of yourself. Sleep is, and that has been one of the biggest game changes for me and sleep. And that goes, and the Wi-Fi thing. I mean Katrina is claiming that she's getting better rest because we've been turning it off like that. Hey, if that's fucking true, even if I don't notice as much like that, I care about my partner that much that I'm on board. I'm on board with this. We'll turn this shit off every single night

right before we go to bed because if it's improving your rest, there needed to be these interventions, you know, because of the modern lifestyle and all this bombardment of electronics and, you know, chemical exposure, all these different things. So it's like, we're just now, we're figuring out, like, oh shit, we need to intervene, we need to add this now to combat it because it's not going away. We're still gonna live like this.

Yeah, there's a lot of money that goes into making you believe or think that there's zero potential negatives to all this new shit that we never had before. Don't worry about it, it's all good. First of all, the testing that we do on these types of things is limited because time is limited. The main testing actually lasts for decades. Like we don't find out for decades

that oh wait a minute, maybe that wasn't a good idea, but we won't know for a long time We won't know the real effects of of Wi-Fi for a long fucking time because we haven't had broad use of Wi-Fi For that long. Yeah, we really haven't so so the things that we think are woo-woo when we make fun of now You know I I Caution people like okay, you know that, but also you don't want to also be this paranoid. Right, that's how I feel. I feel like be aware of all of it, you know, and make an effort to not be an asshole

about it and just ignore it and think like it is, oh, that's so woo-woo and ignore it completely. But you know, again, going back to the like, it's almost impossible, I think, for me to make an entire day, whereas that's not happening, where I'm not in a room like this right now. We're in a fucking cage right now, and there's Wi-Fi and shipping shot all around us. It's about, it is what- All over your face. Yeah, all over your face right now, you're getting it. So, I mean, there's things like that, and I'm not that weird about it that I would choose

not to be a podcaster because we were gonna be getting all this shit. It is what it is, I'm not gonna change my life that much, but I'm also not a such an asshole where I'm gonna be naive to all this stuff that we know is not ideal for body. Even if we know it doesn't, isn't gonna kill you, we know enough that we know it's not good for your body.

That's enough for me to make like the conscious effort to try and reduce the consumption or try and limit the exposure of these things. The way I look at it is like this. If you were to look at a pie chart and when you work on something, it affects a percentage of that pie chart, excuse me. Activity, diet, and sleep is like 90 something percent of it.

Everything else is a much smaller percentage. I mean, yeah, I guess you could throw relationships and that kind of stuff in there as well. Those are all the big rocks. Like, worry about those things first, and if those things aren't taken care of, you're kind of wasting your time worrying about all these other things.

Like, if you're sitting down watching TV and you don't exercise and you're eating organic gummy worms and you're like, well they're organic, you know, I'm really helping, you're not really helping yourself, you know, you're kind of missing the big picture. So look at those big things first, start there and then you can kind of move down the line of things you want to kind of worry about.

And look, children tend to be more you want to kind of worry about. And look, children tend to be more sensitive to a lot of these things. So when we talk about the think, the plastics and chemicals that are in cosmetics or lotions or toothpaste or shampoo, because a child is developing, they're going to be more sensitive to very weak endocrine disruptors or chemicals that may attach to certain receptors in their body. So you may want to be a little bit more vigilant with your kids than you are with yourself.

But again, these things, I would say focus on, like if all the Americans just got exercise and diet down, I think we'd see a huge impact, obviously, in everybody's health for the positive, even if they were still using non-organic. Now, are you guys, because this is, I don't know, this is a great question,

because it's making me, it's spending my wheels right now. Like, I feel like I'm not the person who is so pretentious about it that I won't do something because of that. Like, I won't, because of, oh, this might be, but at the same time too, I'll make the effort to change my shampoo out, change my tooth, my toothpaste out, my soap is, my soap is different, try and limit the amount of times that I microwave plastic.

Like, if these are all things that turn off the Wi-Fi, wear my blue blockers at night, but I'll also break all those rules too. I'm also someone who just got back from Tahoe. I'm stuck with the shampoo that they have, the soap that they're using. You know what I'm saying? I had to reheat some plastic container and eat something.

None of the, I didn't not do those things because I know it's not ideal for my body. But at the same time too, in my home, I've made those choices. I use Tom's toothpaste. I've changed my, to the Bronner's. That's why you don't bring a scale and just, you're six pack bags everywhere you go anymore.

Yeah, that's the, right. Great point. You're just like, you're just putting it in everybody's face that like, oh, you guys are just, yes. It's not just that. It's the quality of life. Yeah. You know, I think if you get to the point, you can are. Yes. It's not just that. It's the quality. It's your quality of life. Yeah.

You know, I think if you get to the point that you have less friends. Well, right. Well, even if you wanted to go in the opposite end of it, like say, you know, you're all in technology and like you want to be the first adopter or all this stuff, like, look at Google Glass. Yeah, like that was the darkest looking shit

I've ever seen and everybody responded that way even though it was really cool You can do cool shit, but it's like You know, there's just certain things that you just recognize right away. Well, you have an idiot There's a quality of life so using your example just enough the person with the scale, right? Yeah, you can be so fanatical about your diet and exercise That was a great it actually reduces your quality of life, right? You know, so yes, you're eating perfectly and you're exercising on a crazy schedule, but your quality of life is shit

because it has taken over your life. And I think that's what we're saying. Like, yes, I think that's a great way to put it right there is like, I'm aware of all these things. I try to make a conscious effort to limit them as much as possible in my life, but I'm also not as big of an asshole

about it where I'm gonna carry my scale around all the single time. That's the same exact thing. And if you were trying to, and not to say that if someone was set a goal for new years, that, hey, I'm gonna limit XYZ in my life. Like I respect that because it's something you're trying to, you're trying to create a new habit in your life. But the way I live my life with all these things is,

I'm not anti them because I think they're woo-woo. I'm also not so concerned about them that I won't do social things with other people because I can't be exposed to that. Next question is from tuba Dan. If you were asked to train someone from my 600 pound life, what would you do? Where would you begin? Gosh, have you guys ever watched that show? I haven't watched, I've heard of it though. I haven't seen a whole lot of it. How about you Justin, have you seen it?

Yeah, I have seen it. My Courtney loves that show. I don't know if it's because she also likes horgers. You know, it's almost like, is that weird how we grab it? It's weird. I can relate to her with that. So remember I have the 16 and pregnant thing, right?

That's my show, right? Watching a trainer. I don't know what it is. Well, what I have relate to her with that. So remember I'm the 16 and pregnant thing, right? That's my show. It's like watching a trainer. I don't know what it is. Well, what I have attributed to, because it's only when I'm sick that I want to watch it, I think it makes me feel better about my life. I think that's why you watch that, that you watch a 600 pound person like destroying their life,

you watch somebody hoarding all their shit, and you watch somebody. Whoa, that really escalated. Yeah, like, it makes you feel better about what, maybe, because we all got shit going on our life. I don't care who you are, there's something in your life that isn't perfect or could be better. And so when you see somebody on TV that is just fucking up

big time, it makes you feel better about yourself. Yeah, I'm not doing so bad. You know what this show would, you know what this show would be called a hundred years ago? Huh. My 300 pound life. Yeah. It's 600 pounds.

Holy. Holy. The new crazy. Like, they have. Yeah, it's it's 600 pounds. Holy the new the new crazy like they have to find that's the weight that they have to find in order for people to be like whoa like if it was my 350 pound life would be like yeah that's not a lot of work. That's my own job. I don't need to watch it. Yeah, yeah, right. So what does the show do? It just highlights their struggle and what's going on with them? Are they trying to lose weight? I think they're trying to lose weight. I think they're trying to lose. And I think they do all the doctors appointments

and all this and it's frustrating for me to watch that's why I didn't really pay close attention to the premise of the show other than these people are like, so it's frustrating because the doctor is like, you could just tell, it has this like the same thing he tells all of them. And none of them listen, and then the struggling process of trying to get them to understand, you know, how to better their life

by implementing these, these like really basic things that they can do and they can have, but before they give them the surgery. You know, it's like so this whole process of them trying to, you know, get this surgery and everything. It's crazy because, you know, after New Year's, you know, Jessica and I were just drinking like crazy and, you know, having a good time. And after that, I said, I'm going to be, I'm going to be abstinent from all, you know, all stimulants, all depressants. so no alcohol, no cannabis, no caffeine, nothing at all for the whole month of January.

And part of the reason why I wanted to do that was, I don't want to become dependent on anything. I find myself becoming dependent on caffeine sometimes and whatever. And I realize how many people on a daily basis use substances in order to get by their day, whether it's caffeine, which is caffeine is a mind-altering substance,

it's a very powerful drug, it's just everybody uses it, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever, but really the most abused substance is food. Absolutely. And people use food to blunt their know, to blunt their feelings. It's, it's, it's, it's used like a drug. When you're 600 pounds, you are not eating food because you're hungry.

You're just not. No, it's, it's, and that's the thing I think now, it's kind of coming back. Like most of the stories that they have, it's like a really traumatic things that happen in their childhood and, you know, like these horrific, like accidents or, you know, like these horrific accidents or, you know, whether parents died or something,

and they just went in this like downward spiral, or some of them are just like, you know, just self-sabotaging, like, and it just turns into this really humongous problem. And that's why it's like, you ask what would we do with it? It's like, go to therapy. Like 100%.

Like, go through, I don't have the skill set to even deal with somebody like that. I mean, you could for me to help someone who's 600 pounds as a trainer, they are going to have to want help. Yeah, 95 plus percent of the effort is going to be psychological with that person. It's already that way with average people. It is. You know, just somebody who needs to lose 15 pounds, majority of my time now. And that's just, I mean, again, that's just, this is the evolution of, of probably all of us in this room as being trainers, like at the beginning of your set, your self focused on, like, I'm sure this person who's asking this question is like, I wonder what the exercises they

would do. It's like, I'm not even thinking about that. Like, I'm thinking about, why did you get here? How do we get here? I need to unpack all of that and figure out what's going on with you psychologically and trying to dress that with you. That isn't require any movement. That's as you sit and sit down with me, talking and getting in the bottom of this, and then me helping you figure that out

and then make this commitment. You have to make this commitment before we do anything. And then fuck, I think the first thing I would do is take all the food out of the house and take the car our car away. It was in the figure. They don't need a car actually. A lot of these people are stuck.

They're stuck in bed. Some of them have to get cut out of their house by the fire department. And a lot of these people are just, they have a bunch of enablers. So they're literally stuck in bed. That's the biggest problem. They don't move.

If that's a family member just bring them to. And that's the first thing that you would do, I think is a trainer if you're going into. You're talking, I talk to the biggest problem. Yeah, don't move. You know, that's a family member just bringing it to you. And that's the first thing that you would do, I think, is a trainer if you're going into the world. I talk to the family members. Yeah, I'm telling the family members, stop feeding him or her fucking all this shit. Like they don't need any of that, okay? They just ignore them. We can fast for the first couple weeks here.

This person doesn't need to fucking eat all this food. We got plenty of storage to get them through. And that's what it is. The people that are around these people are enabling them so bad, they're allowing them because you're right. A lot of them can't even get up to go to the refrigerator. And there's a withdrawal period that they'll go through,

just like a heroin addict. I mean, you take somebody who's addicted to opiates or heroin. There's a period of time that they're gonna go through where what do they say? You're not talking to the person, you're talking to the drug. They're gonna say things, they're gonna act in particular ways. They're gonna say things that happen with this food withdrawal. You take someone who's 600 pounds

and you take away their drug of choice. They're gonna get angry. They're gonna get angry. They're gonna feel all kinds of crazy emotions. They've lost their coping mechanism. Imagine like all of us have coping mechanisms. Imagine if someone ripped that away from you, how you would feel, you'd have to figure out

a new way to cope. So 100% therapy would be the first place I would go. Now, if somebody hired me and said, look, I really want help. I don't know what to do. And I want to lose this weight, but this is very difficult for me. What can we do?

Well, the first thing I would do, and this is how I would approach most people, this is just much more intense, is I'd start with, and this particular case would be very, very light activity. And then rather than taking foods away, I would include foods, and it's okay, listen, for now,

we're not gonna change your food, but what I want you to do is I want you to have one serving of vegetables every day. Can you do that? And, but it's want you to do is I want you to have one serving of vegetables every day. Can you do that? But it's got to be plain vegetables. We're not going to cover it in nacho cheese or whatever. And I would start somewhere like that. And then maybe the next step I would do is I'd say, okay, you can continue eating what

you eat, but the only thing you can drink is water. Because most of these people, and this is so, so, so- So- So- Constantly. I watched one- What do you want, dude? It wasn't an episode of my 600 pound life. It was another, there was this Mexican man in Mexico who's so big, he was like 800 something pounds. And he literally, every meal that he had would have a leader or two of soda.

Every meal. Yeah. And a meal would consist of a large pizza. He'd have five or six meals a day. So it'd be like a large pizza, a gallon of ice cream, and a fried chicken, and a liter of soda. Yeah, it's a really great plethora of crazy stuff. Yeah, so I would say something like, okay,

you know, for the last two meals, all you could do is drink water or whatever. It would be very, very slow steps. The problem is when you're dealing with someone who's 600 pounds, sometimes medical intervention, many times medical intervention, is necessary because you don't have a lot of time. Oh yeah, someone asked people before,

like this is where I think, you know, stapling your stomach is acceptable, because this person is, yeah, would they have a year? Yeah, right, two years left.. Yeah borderline killing themselves right now And this they can't even get off off the couch. It's like okay, well, well isn't also the I mean the big concern if you put somebody under Anastasia that's that big like they could suffocate or like they'll die They have to they have to imagine the amount of weight yeah that they had like some of them can't lay flat because they suffocate under their own weight

Yeah, you know I watched one were the guy that's so great. They turned them over and he was started panicking and they had they had You know they were monitoring his heart rate and they had to move and then better position about that And then we thought about that like you're if you're you're 600 800 pounds and you roll over That's like a 400 pound person. Yeah, how are you gonna get on your chest? And you're not strong because you embed all the time. Yeah, so it's it's laborious. It's very laborious to breathe. I You know, I trained a lot of surgeons and one of my clients did perform a gastric bypass on somebody who was very very big and he's like and I asked him and I asked him like, what is it like? Like what is it like operating on someone with that much?

You know body fat and he's like well, you're you like operating on someone with that much, you know, body fat? And he's like, well, you're cutting through a lot of mass. A lot of mass. And you have to know where you're going because you could literally think you're cutting down because it's shift left. Yeah, and you could cut over to the side. And he's like, it's actually requires a lot of skill.

And he's telling me like, how thick he would show me, how thick the layers of you know of just body fat were that he had to cut through and like just repeated cuts to get through this tissue. And in order to get to the area that you need to all. So wouldn't we I think we'd all agree like the same way that I would treat somebody like that is the same way if I got handed like a hardcore heroin addict that came like the very first day. It's an addict. It's like yeah I'm not like yeah like taking that you know heroin addict through a like the very first day. It's an addict. It's like, yeah, I'm not seeing. Yeah, like taking that heroin addict through a bunch of squads and exercises like that,

I'm not doing them any real good. Like I need to address the root cause of why they're addicted to heroin and I need to fix that first before I put them on a nutrition plan or work them out at all. The same thing goes for this person that has eaten themselves to 600 pounds. There's something, the addiction there is so massive,

and that's such a hurdle. There's a lot of pain there, man. Yeah, that's such a huge hurdle that teaching an exercise or trying to put together a diet for that person, we're so beyond that that we have to figure this piece out. When I see people who are really obese, like very, very obese.

What I personally see is I see a lot of pain and I see, what it looks to me, and this, maybe this is the way that people need to start, and I don't mean shaming people, by any means, stretch them out. I feel a lot of empathy towards people, but it's no different than looking at someone and seeing their drug addiction. You just don't necessarily see it sometimes.

You can't necessarily see if someone is an alcoholic or whatever because they're not maybe drunk right in front of you. But when you see someone walking around, 400-something pounds, you're looking at an addict and there's a lot of pain there. And so I feel a lot of empathy and I see that. I look at them and go, wow, that person is really bearing with their feeling with food or soda or whatever.

So that's a really tough situation. The hardest part about it is food is necessary. You can't cut it out. It's not like a drug. Like, okay, you're never having heroin again. That's cool. You have to eat. Imagine if you told a heroin.

Just a little bit of heroin. Yeah, let's just minimize it. Yeah, let's just minimize it. And by the way, heroin is available everywhere all over the place and people around you will be doing it all the time. And every celebration uses families get it like pressure you to eat their heroin pie. I mean, it's a difficult situation. Yeah. Next question is from for a Schneider. What are the benefits of running in the sand? Are you increasing power or stride frequency or both?

What was Taylor's response? I love that he's running in the sand. Yeah, you guys notice he's answering these questions. He's like, the benefits being there, looking at the ocean and whatever. Yeah, it was some barbecue. Was that what it was? Yeah, so yeah.

You get a view of the beach and you get pet strain, you get to pet strangers dogs. Oh, literally. I love that it's so our audience knows because some people may have no fucking clue if you're pregnant coming in. Taylor manages the mind-plum media IG and so when you see someone responding to you on there, it's normally him with sarcasm. So I hope there's people that get that. Hopefully, they pick up on that. Yeah, I actually used to really enjoy running on the beach in between like for training. I would I would do that kind of leading into season and I have as far as the benefits are concerned. I just know that like being an unstable surface Had some good carryover to when I would then take it on onto the grass field and to be able to stabilize

and really ground my feet and drive these ground forces and get power and be able to adjust and be more adaptable in the field. Now, would you guys say that you have to be mindful of how much of it you're doing for a specific sport because like we talk about a lot with sports, the mistake that a lot of people make is they hear about the benefits of training in sand. And so then they do most of their training.

They're all sand. Right, mostly all this training is they're running the hills of the sand, they're doing all their exercise. They're running technique as fuck. Right, and it's like, if you're using training, running in the sand for a specific sport, no matter what that sport is, I think there is a lot of benefits to it, the instability of it, how hard it is for you to take off.

And so you feel like if you get really good at running the sand and there's this nice carry-over, but then there's also this where I think that can also be a drawback if you're not doing enough training specific to what your sport is that you and how you get most of your pleasure playing football on the same. You should always incorporate the actual skill. So that's the applied skill of like whatever you're going to be doing. So if it's on a field and you're running like 20 yards at a time and like these intervals, like that's what your main focus is, that's what the main structure of your program is going to consist of.

So that way you get really good at that, you know, specifically. And then this is going to contribute towards that and like add more variables. Yeah. Most of your training, if you're an athlete, most of your training needs to be your sport as specific to what you're doing as possible. Yeah. So like, I'll give you a great example. Weight training will benefit most sports, right?

You get stronger, you're gonna do better at your sport. But let's say you're a football player or a baseball player and you're like, ooh, weight training helps me with my sport. So what I'm gonna do now is lift weights five days a week and I'm gonna play football one day a week. We're gonna become a shitty football player. You'll be a better out weights than you will be at football. So sand running has got some benefits in the sense

that running in sand provides more resistance. You're not able to go as fast. You're probably working the muscles of the feet and the ankles more because of the instability like Justin said, but it shouldn't be the majority of your training running at all. I would say this would be like a once or twice a week thing that you would throw in every once in a while just to throw something new at yourself.

There's a bit of a misconception that running in sand is safer because it's softer. The reality is it can actually be more dangerous because it's softer. So I just want to communicate that because I know people are like, oh, you know, I heard running can be hard on the joints, but running the sand is a lot easier on the joints because it's so soft. It's like, well, that's so fast. If you're not very stable and strong,

twisting an ankle or hurting your toe or whatever, or me, now. I can also see where someone like me who is not playing a sport or anything, would see lots of benefits. I would totally get into it. Just for a workout. Yeah, for a workout.

Because too, something that I've definitely noticed I've gotten older is I just don't get enough sun. And if I can find a way to implement a training session out on a beach, you know, every once in a while where I'm getting the natural light, you know, for an hour or whatever, I mean, I think that's incredible. I think that has a lot of benefits. Fuck the running piece and what we're talking about.

Bring your kettlebells. That's a great word. Right, right. So I think that there's some benefits to that. I think if we're talking about a sport, a specific sport, then you need to be doing like we always say, the specific sport and the way you would be training on the field or on the court or whatever sport you're playing, that should be 90 plus percent of your training and this is like the occasional

thing. Now, if you're somebody who just wants to get a good shape or be explosive of a runner and improve upon that, I think there's lots of cool benefits just because you're outside and training that you're getting. One of the other benefits of running the sand is it's often done barefoot. Right. Yeah. So you get to touch the earth with your feet. There's a lot of people that talk about the benefits of grounding.

And anecdotally, I notice benefits. When I go barefoot in the dirt or in the sand, I do feel better. And I don't know if it's just from the tactile sensation of my barefoot touching something. And if I'll get the same benefit walking in the house, it feels like I get more of a benefit when I'm on grass or sand. So there's that you get from that.

There's of course the instability that we talked about. The range of motion that your ankle tends to move in. So you have to have decent range of motion in your ankles to go and run to hard in the sand. For example, you know, you use an example at them, you know, you tore your Achilles. Probably not a good idea to go power running in the sand because the flexion and extension that happens in the sand challenge you way more than I'm ready for way more than you may. And differently, I should say, then you will on the ground because the ground, you have more power. So,

but as far as a workout is concerned, it's fucking awesome. I love working out in the sand. It's one of my favorite. I mean, I wish I had access to it All the time because I would go out there all the time the only athletes I could say that should probably run a lot of the sand or athletes who compete in the sand Right volleyball sand volleyball player or something like that right? Yeah, yeah, you know or or Or would I have beach soccer team? Yeah, the beach soccer. They have they have this interesting sport. That's like team. Yeah, the beach soccer. They have they have this interesting sport that's like volleyball, but with a soccer where they Yes, I've seen it and they put Joe Rogan posted that a while back. Yeah, I have no idea what it's called, but it's so that looks crazy Mm-hmm. That looks a really tough sport But yeah, there's also a difference between running in dry sand and running in wet sand

Wet sand is gonna be much more firm, still different benefits, still some benefits, versus running in dry sand? In the ultimate for conditioning, would be sand hills in ice to do that as well to really, I mean, you wanna put all the forces against you in terms of like not having any foot footing or anything that's like really solid. And you feeling like you're just spinning your wheels, but also just, you know, enduring through that

and really trying to power up. It's that is a grueling, grueling conditioning workout. You got me thinking about all kinds of workouts on the beach. I love doing yoga and stretching in the sand on the beach because of the sun. Then of course the sand is real comfortable to lay on if you're doing a particular yoga pose or you're stretching. Have you guys ever seen videos of fighters who will dive down deep underwater and they'll pick up a boulder and they'll run with it while they're holding their breath? I'm gonna watch you in BG pin. Have you seen that? That sounds interesting to me. I don't know what the benefits of that are. Because the lung capacity, so he has to hold his breath. I'm here watching BJ pin. Have you seen that? That sounds interesting to me. I don't know what the benefits of that are.

Because the lung capacity, so he has to hold his breath. So think about a sport like MMA fighting, where you could be have someone's arm around your mouth or do things like that. That's, to me, that's cool because that makes sense for someone like him. I think it's a little ridiculous for the average person to be doing something like that.

Didn't he just fight and lose? Then you just tap out to somebody? Yes, yeah, I watched, I missed that fight and I ordered that fight. I have to go back and see if I can watch it. I noticed you posted about the other fight. I watched that fight. Yeah.

Did you watch the girls? Oh, cyborg, yes. What a great fight. She got knocked down. Oh, man. Yeah, dude. She lit her up. And that's the thing about Nunez.

Like you watch like her train and you watch her old fights. She has so much power and really accurate power that she applies. And it was crazy to watch her come out of the gates, no fear, like everybody feared cyborg. Well, I watched her, so Katrina and I watched that entire season of when she came up in um, Ultimate Fighter.

So I watched her when she first came on the scene and she was a, did she win that? Yes, she was, she was a, she was a bad, she's ferocious. Yeah, no, she's a bad ass. I wish, I don't know why I didn't bet that because I, I thought it was going to be enough, but it wasn't that great of, it wasn't enough to be like a, no brainer like, oh shit, she's like a huge underdog. She was a name fight. Shoot a slight underdog.

Charge-on. Yeah, he won. He won, right? So that turning ball or whatever helped him out a little bit. Yeah. I think, yeah, that's not. Anyways, yeah, that's so annoying. That's like the, you know, the common thing everybody is, oh, the steroids were.

They're trying to, they're trying to put the rematch of him in a Kormi egg. Bro, he's the most, in my opinion, he's the best, the best, most talented fighter. He's the most skilled fighter out there. It's like, yeah, I don't know, man, I'm really excited to see Kormi and him go out of it, dude. I really, if I fight twice already. Yeah, they have.

Yeah, but I, I, I feel a Kormi is come, I think he's, I think he's one of the best fighters right now. I really do. So we'll see if he comes back and, and I think whatormier is, I think he's one of the best fighters right now. I really do. So we'll see if he comes back. And I think what should happen is instead of him cutting down to John Jones's weight, John Jones. John Jones should put on weight. Yes.

Because that's, that's the fight they've had. Kormier's had to come down to 205. And we've already seen him fight. He fights better at heavy weight. He does. Look at his body structure. He's a thicker, a kind of overweight guy who wears a gas tank. Yeah, he's at, and I think pushing him to cut all the way down

to the 205 class. I love guys like Corbira because he proves that you cannot judge how tough a guy is by the way they look. Him and Fador, you know, he's just like, I think he's good. He's just can't do it. Yeah.

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