Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 941: The Most Effective Sets in a Workout, Why Not All Calories are Created Equal, Strengthening an Immobilized Limb & MORE

Episode Date: January 9, 2019

Organifi Quah! iTunes + Facebook Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the sets that determine the most amount of gains derived from a workout, the idea that not all calories are created equal, training a mobile limb when the other is incapacitated in a cast or sling and how to approach the topic of cannabis with children. Mind Pump breaks down the lyrics to “Wake me up before you go-go” and talk all things George Michael. (4:22) That one time Justin got a piercing + being exposed to addicts. (8:20) Why all hemp oil is not creating equal, how NED stands out + addressing the recent Mike Matthews article on CBD. (19:10) How Justin almost died this weekend! (22:40) MasterCard Drops Its Name from Logo. (27:37) Sal’s daughters love of Magic + the lure of magicians. (28:55) Are gym memberships worth the money? (32:01) Felix Gray introduces “Sleep glasses.” (36:38) Leg exercise is critical to brain and nervous system health: study shows. (40:48) #Quah question #1 – Which sets determine the most amount of gains derived from a workout, the first few sets or the last few? With your stance on volume, how many sets per body part are appropriate when starting a program? (44:40) #Quah question #2 – Can you expand on the idea that not all calories are created equal? (1:00:52) #Quah question #3 – Can you train a mobile limb when the other is incapacitated in a cast or sling, could it be beneficial to recovery and adaptation? (1:13:16) #Quah question #4 - How do you approach the topic of cannabis with children? (1:18:03) People Mentioned: Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Products Mentioned: January Promotion: MAPS Anabolic ½ off!!   **Code “RED50” at checkout** NED   **15% off first purchase** Felix Gray Glasses  **FREE Shipping & FREE Returns** Wham! - Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go (Official Music Video) Does CBD Hemp Oil Work? Why CBD Oil Is Basically a Scam - Muscle For Life MasterCard Drops Its Name from Logo Are gym memberships worth the money? Leg exercise is critical to brain and nervous system health LL Cool J's Platinum 360 Diet and Lifestyle: A Full-Circle Guide to Developing Your Mind, Body, and Soul - Book by Chris Palmer, Dave Honig, Jim Stoppani, and LL Cool J Cross education: possible mechanisms for the contralateral effects of unilateral resistance training. A Bishop and a Rabbi Discuss Religion, the Enlightenment, and Finding Meaning Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, UP with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this super awesome episode of Mind Pump. Super excellent. So look, for the first 40 minutes, we don't talk about fitness much, but we do have a fun introductory conversation. We start out by talking about George Michael. Oh, that's a handsome guy.

Of course we did. Very, very handsome guy. Then we talked about piercings. Find out the kind of progression. Piercings that we've all had. You'll be surprised with Justin's. Ouch. Then we talked about bogus hemp oil

and CBD products out there. And how Ned hemp oil is not bogus. It's one of the best ones that we've ever found. Now Ned does produce quality full spectrum cannabinoid hemp oil products. If you go to hello Ned.com that's H-E-L-L-L-O, Ned.com forward slash mine pump, you'll get 15% off your first purchase. Then we talked about Justin's brush with death. Oh boy, that was scary. Still shaking up about that. Scary. And we talked about master's brush with death. Oh boy, that was a scary. Still shaking up about that.

And we talked about master cards, rebranding. We talked about my daughter's magic obsession. I think she has a crush on David Blaine. Touch out. Son of a bitch. I brought up on Article on Jim Memberships. We talked about Felix Gray's new night time blue blocking glasses.

They are one of our sponsors. If you go to Felix Gray glasses.com, that's Felix F-E-L-I-X Gray, g-R-A-Y glasses.com, forward slash mine pump. We got you hooked up with free shipping and free returns. Then we talked about exercise and the brain and how it actually will make you smarter

and improve your brain health. Imagine that. Then we get into the questions. The first question, since when we talk about fitness, was which set determines the amount of gains you're gonna get? The first set, the last set, or the ones in the middle. All of them.

And also, how much volume is the right amount of volume for someone to start when they first start working out? The next question, can we expand on the idea that not all calories are the same. In other words, it's 500 calories from French fries the same as 500 calories from sweet potatoes. I'll tell you what, right now, they're not the same. The French fries taste much better. The next question, this person has heard that training a healthy limb when the other limb

is incapacitated will actually cause strength gains in the incapacitated limb. In other words, if you broke your arm, let's say your left arm is broken and you work out your right arm, it'll actually increase the strength of your broken arm as well. Is there any truth to this? You'll be blown away by the scientific stuff that we present in that part of this episode. And the final question, we're all kind of fans of cannabis. How are we going to approach this with our kids when they become interested in it? Are we going to talk to them about it?

Are we going to make it super taboo? Are we going to beat them? Are we going to beat them? Find out in that part of this episode. Make them smoke the whole thing. Also, this month, our flagship program, Maps and Obolic, half off. What?

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these days so please include that so send that all over again to iTunes at MyPumpMedia.com and we'll get that shirt right out to you easy for you to say curly bear muscle cut turn me up before we go go that's not the song That's how it goes. It's not how we start this so low. No, it's it's wake me up. Oh Wake me up before you go go. They don't say turn me on in there too I think something something tonight. What is that I think I think my dance and tonight? Oh, there go I think they say wait they hit that Hit that I want to get there Yeah, it's too early to I think they say turn me on too. Don't I wish you know, I got a little bit of a cold going on right now

I kind of wish my voice was always like this. Yeah, you know, I'm saying so it does sound like a I sound like Bradley Cooper from that movie with lady Gaga. You guys watch that movie? Yes, we watched it. He talks like this. Anyway, so I love it. And I did that thing with his voice. It's kind of annoying, but whatever. Oh, there's the lyrics. You put the boom boom into my heart. I didn't realize the song was so lyrically brilliant.

Jitterbug into my brain. You send my soul star vibe when your loving starts. Jitterbug into my brain goes bang bang bang till my feet do the same Brilliant. Yeah, I mean that's just that's poetic. That's just uh keep going down. That let me see There's wake me up wake me up wake me up wake me up before you go go don't leave me hanging on like a yo-yo Like a yo-yo. That's just yeah who came up with that brilliance It works because I'm not planning on going solo. Wake, oh, you know what this is about?

What? This is about, he wants to have, he's about sex, all about sex. Yeah. It's not about waking me up before you leave. It's like waking me up. Wake me up. I want a bang.

Before you, yeah, don't, don't take care of yourself. I'll take care of you. Right. Now, George Michael's song. Yeah, so now we know he's talking about a guy. He's talking about dude. Yeah, he's like yo yo. He's like bro.

He's yo yo. Yeah. He's like bro. Wait a minute before you go get on that pogo. Bro bro. Bro bro. Bro. So I can write it too.

What it would, you know, I don't mean whatever. He's going to be gay straight. Doesn't matter. But here's a deal. Is that interesting? When I was a kid, like, you're holding John's songs and all that, and it's like, they're like, these love ballads,

but you're like, you know, now you go back and like, just, you know, you're singing it to you, dude. So let's, let's get in that mindset. Yeah, I do that. So, so the thing about George Michael though, was a lot of people, you know, you know, we got a younger audience, so they don't know this. George Michael was a massive stud.

Oh, he's a handsome dude. Every girl wanted him. Yeah, badly. A lot of guys were dressing like, he had that like five o'clock shadow that was like just perfectly good. He might have made the five o'clock shadow popular. I think he did.

He was like, he died it too. You know, it was like, he was so attractive that. That's a really good point. You know, he might have made the five o'clock shadow. Now here's the thing. So therefore, I was so attractive that's a really good point. You know, he might have made the five o'clock clock. Now here's the thing. So therefore, I think so. So there he is from from that video from Yeah, that big old Cross earring. So WAM definitely looked what's the word androgynous right you got the it was the 80s look right pretty

Then if you look at the George Michael video, what's that song? Faith yeah look at the George Michael video, what's that song? Faith. Yeah, look at George Michael faith this right here Women were they couldn't even Come on now makes you question yourself even right? Handsome is fuck right? It's too handsome. Like women just like, oh man, like a big sigh. Yeah, you know, like they weren't getting anywhere. And a lot of guys were like, maybe, like hey, maybe. I mean, he had the right circumstances.

He had the long earring. Remember the thing that was in the 80s that was long cross earring, you hear? Like Barry bonds in him both had that. Oh, it's like a lightning bolt. I was wrong. It's not a cross? It's a lightning bolt. I was wrong. It's not across. It's a lightning bolt.

So was that a thing back then where if you only had your left ear pierced that met you or gay? Yeah. Is that for reals? That was kind of a signal, right? Yeah. It was the way that they were able to kind of define that. Now, did you ever get your ear pierced just then?

I did. Actually, I got one. You did? Just one time. No, you didn't. I did because I was bored in college and This out things like that start right is that the old way? Starts with that then he start dying your hair and then you listen George Michael and me know it and you're your friend, but

Experiment so yeah, I did I definitely Definitely pierced my ear and I regretted it in the evening. Both ears or one. Just one. And so I thought, because I don't know, I'm somewhat of a, I try to be like, I don't know, I lean more on the macho side of things. And so I was like, I was like trying to convince myself that like if I did it on the top of my ear where it like hurt more, that that was like cooler. Oh, that's where you had it?

I had it like on the cartilage part at the top. Oh, that's pretty worse. Oh, that's what you had it? I had it on the cartilage part at the top. Oh, that's too worse. Yeah, that's way worse. Yeah, I know. You know the funny part was, you put a piece of sandpaper through it just to look tough. Yeah. Yeah.

It was like blue with some little ball. It was really not. How long did you keep it in? How long did you keep it in? It's tough. I kept it in for two days. Oh, that's it? Yeah, so I actually, you know why?

Because I went to anything. No, I went to go get my hair cut and I go to like this manly ass barber who was like this old guy with like a flat top. Oh great. And so he's like he's like giving me the fade You know, and like doing the whole thing and so and he kept like hitting it and it was like real fresh You know, like it was all sore and flicking it and you kept flicking it with the thing and I'm like what the fuck and then he kept like hitting it. And it was like real fresh, you know, and like it was all sore. Like flicking it. And he kept flicking it with the thing. And I'm like, what the fuck? And then he's kept hitting it.

He's like, ah, and he was fucking with me. And I'm like, dude, and I knew what he was doing. Like he was just like, yeah, yeah, he like that. I don't know. Okay, nice little earring you got there. Yeah. Wow. He's like throwing some like weird.

Is that the omophobia on me? Is that the only piercing you got there. Yeah, wow. He's like throwing some like weird. Is that the ol' Mafobia on me? Is that the only piercing you ever had? Yeah. Why are you looking down? I don't know. I don't know. You know, you paused, bro. There was a pause there.

I knew it, you honest. One ball pat, did I tell you about him? No. Yeah. One ball pat in college, you had that bar. That goes like right under the shower. Yeah. It's a prince-alver. And why was he one ball pat? Because. You had that bar that goes like right under the shower. Yeah, it's a prince. However, and why was he one ball pat? Because you only had one ball. Oh that too He's like came back for a pirate

One ball pat. He had like a ball can't He's a one of them. No, it's a sad story But he made it work. It was one ball pat and so he had this like it was like this big Yeah, and it went through the shaft I was like so he showed you you just mangled like yeah, yeah, I looked at I had to I didn't believe him yeah Again, I you don't have to not listen to nothing We're gonna see another one. one I just barely made it out.

You know, I just avoided something. I hate check this out real quick. Like, hey, look at this. You know when you lose something I guess before? You know when you lose a ball, the other one makes up the difference and makes the testosterone that the one ball. I heard that. Yeah.

So I wonder for grows too. I don't know, I wonder for grows too. So since you saw him, was it a bigger than normal testicle? Do you remember? Do you remember? No, I don't remember what I felt like it's not really burned in my head It's really cold on my tongue I'm gonna one up you know what it fucking guys Adam you had both ears pierced no, I just want I just had one all you I thought you had both yeah, but I didn't have the top I said the fucking out of your tongue pierced no, no, bro

Can't imagine Remember that guy that would like roll it across his teeth like first of all if anybody in this room was gonna Pierce their tongue it was it would be you right? Obviously no of course we can pay in your tone If a girl liked it you would have done it no no girls liked it at one pin in your tone and you can do it. If a girl liked it, you would have done it. No, no, girls liked it at one point. They why didn't you do it? That's, no.

No, that's not my thing. I had a buddy who, there was never a mean float around that. Like if you have a tongue piercing, you probably suck a dick. Really? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that was a thing.

It's kind of an obvious signal. There was a lot, no. I mean, a lot of people got, well, let's see, for a while, in the beginning, in the early days of tongue piercing, man and women got it. And then it became more of a girl thing, right? But it wasn't at first, like a guy anger.

Same thing with belly button rings. Did you know that? Yeah, I had a buddy that had a friend. When they first came out, when they first came out, it was a guy and a girl thing. And then it quickly just became like, not only girls get their belly button. I feel like it's always been one or the other and then just somebody got the didn't get the memo. I think I think I think I think some

people just didn't get the memo. I remember one guy that did he had like a son tattoo around it and it was oh the, it's the same dude. Hold on. I think he'll love the 24 hour. Yes. I know your target. That's Casey. Wow. I like how Adam just calls people.

I know. He hears his address. Yeah. I'm, yep, I think he's my roommate. Really? Oh, thank you. You know what I'm saying? No.

It's a bad blood there. No, he was, he was somebody who lived with me for a short step. He was a, what do you call it? What do you call a liar who lies all the time as he knows lying? Oh, yeah. Pathological liar. Yeah, he was a pathological liar.

And he doesn't look like he made a lot of good decisions. No, he was not. He was not. He was the, he was the first person that I ever knew personally that was addicted to Coke too. Like he, after he, yeah, and and I just rolled the student in the bus. Wow. What was his last name?

I'm just kidding. I'm just going to do it. Fuck they scared. I don't care. He left my house when he left my place when he finally moved out and I cleaned his room out because he didn't really clean his room when he left. There was razor blade marks all in my window seal and little like half cut straws everywhere. Oh my God.

And I remember even like I did you know he was addicted to coke? No, I had no idea. Like, I mean, I, I, I, up into that point, I thought he was really energetic. Well, no, what's funny is so I can count on one hand. How many times I had been around coke at this point. This is like my mid-25 or so around this time. And so I hadn't been exposed that much to Coke, definitely not to somebody who's addicted to it.

Now all the signs were there if I go back now and someone's asked me, I've talked about this guy before and he had the most rancid breath in the morning and we would get in my car and it was so putrid, I'd pull the car over, I'm like, look in the car. And I didn't, it took me a few times of us getting in the car in the morning together for me to realize it was this dude. This guy's getting roasted.

This is fun. You know, is it a fucking co-cat? Do you know what I'm saying? Like you deserve it. You deserve it. You talked about it, you know what I'm saying? Fuck him. So his breath used to stink like, because I didn't put that together then. Okay, do you know what I'm saying? Like you deserve it. You deserve what you talked about. You know what I'm saying? Fuck him.

So his breath used to stink like cause I didn't put that together then. The part that was like shame on me. Like I remember we both worked at the same place. So we would carpool all the time to work. And I get up, I've talked before on the show. I get up like three times a night I have to go pee.

I have like a child's bladder. And I'm up all the time going pee. And every time I get up in the restroom, this dude would be out in the living room in one of our camping chairs, like in the middle of the living room, fucking video games, four o'clock in the morning, five o'clock in the morning and shit.

Yeah, and then we'd get him go to work and like, eight, and be like, what the fuck? Like this guy's like, you don't sleep? This guy's a champion. Yeah, he exactly, a champion. That's what I used to think, is that we're all on speed stacks, and I don't know, fucking liquid coke. You're on the weed, you're the weed, herbal coke. Yeah, exactly. That's what I think is we're all on speed stacks and I don't know

fucking liquid coke. You're on the we the week. Yeah, herbal coke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the like a coke light. You know what I'm saying? We're all doing. No, we're training real. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't I didn't piece that. And so he had, you know, his, his teeth were kind of like, rotted. He had this coke breath. And he had, and he had this staying up late stuff. So it didn't all come together though until he moved out and I found all the evidence, you know, the razor blade marks on my freaking window seal, all the cut strut, but they were just everywhere. How are people addicted to coke that so, that could be so expensive.

They got to be the most expensive. We make good money back then. I mean, we're all kids making six figures. I mean, that's a lot back then and he's blowing it all on. Yeah, drugs. Yeah, yeah, no drugs. Yeah, drugs and then like outfits, you know, he was all, that's a lot back then. So he's blowing it all in. Yeah, it drugs. Yeah, yeah, no drugs. Yeah, drugs and then like outfits, you know, he was all, he was dressed, he was dressed all.

I had a guy that used to work for me, a trainer, super burly jacked, kind of like this really kind of manly dude that used to work for me. And for a second there, me, him and I started working out together and we also worked out with DJ, you guys know DJ, good, good guy. We all started lifting together and we all became workout partners. Well, we go in the locker room to change after one of our workouts. This is after the guy worked for me for like six months. Dude takes a shirt off and he's got both nipples pierced.

I just had no idea he's the most conservative like most conservative straight lace kind of macho tough It's always kind of shocking. Yeah, I was like whoa dude You like you like to get those things pulled. Yeah, so I told everybody in the gym everybody I have to go up and flick him. I'll never do that. You have super sensitive. Oh, yeah, that sounds horrible I can't stand people tight with my nose. Here's why here the, there's two reasons why I never got anything pierced. One is because my dad would have ripped it out of my face or whatever, that's one. Yeah.

Two is because then I always had the fear of, what if you get in a fight and somebody grabs that shit and pulls it out. And those are all two real things. Yeah, those are two real things. I know what I would do if I got in a fight with someone with piercing. That's the first place I'd go.

It's a nice little hook. I think the earrings that I always, the earring would always come right out. If someone did hit, because if you got into a scuffle, which I'd been in with an earring, and I think it just pops from you. Do you take them off real quick before you throw them?

No, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what? So what's that you, with second? Let me take my hoops out real quick. Hold this for me. Hold my earring. Come in your little baggy. Yeah, anyway.

No, there's funny too, because when I was at Santa's estate, we were like, I used to live at this house in this guy. This guy's talking about Pierce Nipples. There's this guy that he had both Nipples Pierce and he had a third Nipple and he decided to Pierce it just to like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not even joking. Where was it?

Right here, like right, like under, if you go down a little bit lower on the rib, he had another nipple. And then it was like, he's like a cat. Pernaus, yeah, it was like a teeth. Wow. I might, see, I might pierce that. I can get down with that. You know what I mean?

I actually thought it was a bold move. I was like, it's there. People are gonna be weirded out about it. It means we'll fucking pierce that. No, I was like, here's the question. We're tattoo around it, make it like into something, like put a pair of eyes. And then I get, that's what I would do.

A boob. So now, here I got my of eyes. And then you gotta get into it. That's what I would do. A boob. So now here I got my third eye right here. Here's the real question, is it sensitive like the other two nipples, or is it just a look like a nipple, but just feels like skin? I think it's a falsie. It's not real.

It's a foe. Because if it did feel like something, that might be kind of interesting, you know what I mean? You could have few. Play the piano. Pean ball monga. Yeah, it's like one, two, three. Oh, you tuned the radio a bump bump. Yeah, it's like, one, two, three, oh!

You tuned the radio a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so I had a cousin of mine send me a picture of this, I want to tell you guys about this, of this hemp oil that he bought, some brand I never heard of before. And he's like, hey, is this good? I just bought it.

It cost him like 75 bucks. Why didn't you tell me he was dead? Well, hold on, let me tell you the story. So, first, yeah, he didn't listen to my show and he's, you know, he did it anyway. So, where have you been? But he still knows to ask me questions about, you know, supplements or whatever.

So he sends it to me. And so I sent him the article that I had shared with you guys a while ago about how there was some independent labs going around testing these hemp oil companies. And a lot of these hemp oils have very little active cannabinoids. They're just, it's just oil. And so yeah, the market right now is being flooded

with all these hemp oil products and CBD based products, which we called a while ago. You're gonna see, it's by the way, it's gonna go even, it's gonna go gangbusters now because they just pass the laws making hemp, you know, loosening the laws on hemp. So now hemp can be grown all over the place. And because there's such a, right now,

there's such a thing around a buzz around CBD and cannabinoids and even cannabis that people now, you're probably gonna try and get stuff from hemp. So you're seeing it all over the place. So I told them, like, listen buddy, I'm like, you probably got garbage because all the stuff that's out there right now, when they test them, a whole, a lot of it comes back,

just like supplements, you know, a lot of it comes back and they find that it's got crap in it. So I had him do some research on Ned and I said, check them out because, you know, when we first worked with them, I had them send me that the lab, I wanted to see the lab test. I want to see how many, what are the cannabinoids in here? How many CBDs in there?

We went back and forth with them for a while. I remember when you were on the call with them. Speaking of that and speaking of Ned, we had a lot of people on our forum that were wanting us to respond to what our buddy Mike Matthews talked about on his show the other day in regards to CBD oil. Did you listen to that by any chance? I didn't listen to his podcast, but I read his,

now first off, the article of his blog was very catchy, to kind of get your attention. And here's a thing about- A little bit in Switch, will you? Well, no, it's not baiting. No, here's a thing about Mike. He writes, he's got a lot of integrity. And he has a tough time promoting or talking about anything

unless it has super established evidence. So he doesn't really, he doesn't like to promote or talk about anything that doesn't have like this crazy amounts of evidence. A lot of the evidence supporting CBD besides treating epilepsy is like newer type of evidence. And so it's not super highly established yet. And so that's kind of what the article is about.

So there was a, there wasn't anything in there that I really disagreed with. And it really has point is kind of what I'm talking about, how it's flooding the market, and they're just throwing it everything in. There's protein powder. So my account for warning to really like, yeah, make sure you get the quality out of it.

Not just get quality, but it's also not this panacea where you're just gonna, you know, you treat everything. Oh, like every magic pill. Yeah, and you know, it's now you see protein powders of CBD. You know, here's a bath bomb, put it in your bath, it's got CBD in it, or it rubs you know, CBD on your it's now you see protein powders of CBD. You know, you're here's a bath bomb put it in your bath It's got CBD in it or rubbed you know CBD and your eyeballs to make you whatever There is a lot of that going around a lot. Yeah, so I saw CBD cereal actually it's somebody yes

somebody sent me a Picture of the cereal will see I'm like yeah, of course Wee-yos. Yeah, yeah, I mean Video the biggest application I use our net for right now is either the dogs or myself at night. And I don't even use it every single night. It's like one of those things that I know. Well, yeah, I have a, so I was going to wait to, we got on the show, but like last night I was like, we almost died.

Like my, whoa, what? It was, it was crazy because it rained really hard and like, we're underneath all these redwood trees and Every time that there's a big storm that comes through I'm always worried because of the wind But mainly when it rains the limbs get really heavy and I'll show you guys pictures of this later But all of a sudden like so my youngest was like Like doing some like art craft on the kitchen table and we were kind of doing our thing and then all of a sudden we heard this huge bone crash, match, and we look over and it was like almost

like a full size tree just went right through the roof. What? On the overhang of the roof that goes onto the deck and it came down like at an angle and just pierced right through the roof. And like all I could think of was it was maybe feet away from my youngest. And so what the hell freaked out. How did you bring that up? It's weird how he brings up shit like this.

I was waiting for the show after we talk about George Michael. I was just warming you guys up. I almost died this weekend. Hold on a second. There's a branch sticking through your roof for sure. I will warming you guys. I almost died this week. Hold on a second. There's a branch sticking through your roof. I will show you pictures. Yeah, it is so like it was. I was hard for us. I want to see I want to see pictures now. Plulphurphone. Yeah, so so everybody's freaked out.

Yeah, no, it was and so why I'm bringing that up is because like like Courtney already deals with things I already and already deals with a lot of you know, some like past like trauma stuff we're kind of working through, but like that just intensified like all of our state. And so, you know, that was like literally the only thing I could think of was the takes and like, you know, of the Ned stuff to try and like help with that process. Wow, what a great transition to a commercial.

Yeah, yeah. Did it work? Yeah, let's go extreme like we had died. Right, we were all starting to die. We took some Ned. We took some Ned. transition to a commercial. Yeah, let's go extreme like we had died, right? We were all starting to die. We took some net. It took some net. Did it help her?

Yeah. Pass this over. Let me see this picture. Bro, what happens if this actually hits? It was like either that or it was going to drink some alcohol because it was so traumatic, dude. What if this goes inside your, what if it goes in the roof part of your house

while it go through? Yeah, of course. Now I've only been using the 350 meg, I wanna order the 750. Yeah, it works. Yeah. You know, it's got, it does have inanzeolithic properties. For sure, I'll debate anybody on that.

I said that by the way, because on the forum people say I say that all the time, apparently. That'll debate anyway. I'll debate anyway. So I just wanna make sure I do a little. I'm constantly throwing it out there. You want to be consistent.

Did you guys see in the forum, there was a bunch of quotes that we say on the show all the time? You have like a thousand for you. Yeah, I know. That means you talked too much. Probably. You do a lot of the set ups, so it's like part of the formula. If something works, I just keep using it until it stops working.

That's me and Dick jokes. So what are you going to do? So that is it dangerous to live where you live? You know, obviously. Well, so here's the thing, everybody gets it furred up after a while once the limbs start kind of growing back and had been talking to my neighbor about it because he just had some guys over to do it. That was like next on my agenda because it had been a while, but still our limbs weren't

that big. And so this was on a tree that I didn't even consider. It was like, it was one that was sort of off to the side. So I guess the wind blew it kind of at an angle and it shot down diagonally. So flew, it flew, flew. Is it getting super windy up there? It pierced through.

That day it was really windy, yeah. So the trees, in the thing about redwoods, they're really stable and so they don't, you're not worried that any of you're gonna uproot or anything, but sometimes if you let those limbs grow to a good size, it is, that can happen. See, every once in a while. I almost want to live Yeah, where you're near the world This fighter the spider stories and the trees coming just those detour people I'm cool. Yeah, you know what the thing is I'm alright with it

I made peace with it. It's not even so much of the danger about it because that this that does suck It's the dealing with the cleanup after oh god. I'm gonna get the chainsaw out and take care of that bitch. Later, close. Hey, you have a jugade laid though. Thank you. Yeah. Oh yeah. Is this shirt off?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got like my flannel tie that my waist is. You know, he gets everything already too, and try and times it for when he gets here. I bet that's the first thing that went through a set The crash smell like wood chips. Don't worry. Baby. I'll take care. Yeah, I got this. Yeah, I went out I went out first thing to pictures. He said be careful I got this anything for you listen to when it comes to my family. I'm like

Like I was looking up like I couldn't see it as super dark, it was fucking scary, I was terrified. Listen babe, when it comes to my fight. I pulled it off like I was confident. Yeah, no big deal. I got this, no problem. So what you guys, was that article that Rachel shared with us? Was it MasterCard now, is it taking, getting rid of the name? Oh yeah, so I read that like basically their whole thing

was that they're an international brand and so they're well-known. So Apple and Nike, they're comparing the fact that they would... They kind of distilled down their branding and imagery to just the icon. So that's all it was. It wasn't anything to deal with master card being... Well, they said something about card. They don't want to have card in there because now the something about card, like they don't wanna have card in there because now the way people are paying,

yeah, you don't even have a physical card like you used to. Right. So it's just gonna be the, it's just the image of the two circles. In order to do that though, you gotta have a really established brand. Yeah, it's silly anyways. Yeah, take the name off.

Yeah, it's not gonna say, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it is. Cause I could foresee a lot of idiots not doing their research and be like, oh, it's the way to do it. I want to read the book that she's reading though now. I already looked it up. I'm gonna. What book? Oh, the one that Rachel was like some weird social justice.

Get rid of the name master. Yeah, or something. Oh, I got a while you look up that book. Adam, I got a dad joke for you guys right for this. Oh, you can't. My daughter thought this was the funniest thing ever. How do you keep fish from smelling? Cut off their nose.

Nice. Boom, nice. Boom. Anyway, so what's the book? She came up with that. Oh, she's, she's, I'm telling you, she's gonna be a natural. She loved it.

Oh, you know what she's been watching nonstop, which I'm letting her do, because I don't like my kids just watching TV for hours, unless I think it's something that I think is cool for them. Okay. She's been watching Magic, like crazy. Really? Yeah, like on Netflix. Just Magic shows. No, like specials.

Oh yeah, yeah, the guy from England, have you seen his... She watched all of them. Oh yeah, that guy's fantastic. So here's the thing, so there was this one, this one little tricky did where he was at this this like outdoor shop or whatever. And he just walks up to some random ladies and there was all these wood carvings of animals and stuff. And he goes, let me guess which one you're most interested in looking at or whatever. And he guesses and it's a wooden frog and he puts it in her hand.

And she's like, wow, how did you know? And then he waves his hand over it and turns into a real frog. And everyone's like, whoa. So I looked at my daughter and I'm like because her favorite is David Blaine right she might even have a crush on him. David Blaine's not a problem. Yeah anyway yeah but the crush part makes me a little irritable nine years old but anyway so I'm like uh it's gonna happen. I know I know what am I gonna do so I'm like uh so I said so I said where, whoa, I said he turned it into a real frog and she's like, so cool.

I'm like, do you think he's as good as David Blanch? She's like, no. She goes, David Blanch would hate the frog too. I was like, that's the frog when it had a card and then he pulled out. Yeah, you were kind of an open, it was a weird shit. How true is that though, right? Oh yeah.

No, that's fine. I was listening, I. I was listening. I think I was listening to a magician on Joe Rogan, I think. And they were talking about how like, magicians are some of the biggest skeptics, which makes perfect sense. Because they know all those. Yeah, that's like,

and there's this whole underground history behind all the different tricks and like the slide of hand and things that you can get away with in terms of distraction. background history behind all the different tricks and like the the slide of hand and Things that you can get away with in terms of distraction and so I thought that was that was fascinating because most of them are Atheists and very much like look back at history is like most of You know religious practices or people in power have used These manipulative tricks that they know all about. And so I thought that was, I just was thinking about that

and I was like, I bet you there's a lot of truth in a lot of like some of these ways that old wizards of the day and you know, you used to be. As she's watching these magic shows and super enthralled and she'll practice little magic tricks on her own, I just, you can't help but do this as a parent. And I know you do the same thing, Justin. You see your kid do something,

you just, oh, they're gonna be a fucking, you know, greatest magician. So I'm just, I was having this conversation with Jessica, I'm like, could you imagine if she became like a bad, because how many female magicians do you know that are bad ass? Do she could totally be a magician slash comedian? Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Yeah, I'm proud I'd be. I know, you know what I mean? Unless she didn't make any money, they'd be like, slash comedian. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah. I'm proud I'd be. I know. You know what I mean? Unless you didn't make any money, that'd be like, sorry babe. I know you like your magic tricks. Can you make money in the bills?

Yeah. I can't have you, you're 30. You got to get out of the house now. Anyway, so, do you see that article by the hustle? I think it was Jackie that shared it with us on gyms. Oh, if there on gyms. Oh, if there are gyms, I didn't read it. A waste of money to have a gym membership.

What were they trying to do? Or they worth the money? Well, so they did the, they just did the, the same old thing that we talk about where the average person gets a membership and then they don't use it and they pay X amount on it. Well, there's a big study that was done that finds that the average gym member goes to the gym about four times a month.

And so when you do the math of how much it costs per hour for them to go to the gym, it's something like 14 bucks an hour, something silly like that. So they're saying, oh, here it is, 82% of gym members go to the gym less than one time per week, 82%. 22% completely stop going six months into their membership and 31% say they would never have paid had they known how little they'd use it which I think this that's a weird one Why wouldn't a hundred percent? It's funny because I think the small percentage still believe they will that's it I think people like the idea of having a gym membership. Oh, of course, you know, I mean like no No, I think I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I'm gonna get there.

Yeah, because they'll do studies on people where the further out, if you ask somebody to tell you what they're gonna accomplish, the further away it is from the present, the more optimistic they are about their abilities. So like if I say to somebody, hey, do you think you'll be able to write a book in 10 years or whatever, like absolutely.

And that's what you think it'll happen in a month, well never. Well, do you think you'll be able to lose 30 pounds, 10 years or whatever, like absolutely. And I said, well, do you think it'll happen in a month? Well, never. Do you think you'll be able to lose 30 pounds? Like six months from now, yeah. If I say next month, they'll say no. So people tend to be very optimistic. What's up? It's like the thought of it.

It's like almost like, oh, I thought about contributing to this charity the other day. I'm like, oh man, good job. You know, like I thought about it. I just thought about it. So therefore I'm a good person. Yeah. Well, gym memberships are funny like that too. I mean, it's one of the few businesses

where you, I mean, even myself, right? I think I'm paying on fucking three gyms right now, right? And the almost every workout I've done in the last six months has came in here. You know, so, I mean, how much money have I wasted just in six months time of paying three other gym memberships?

You're subsidizing, your fees are subsidizing for the people who use the gym regularly. Yeah. That's what it is. I'm looking out for them. Yeah. That's how I feel. I support those people. I'm keeping your gym lower.

Yeah. Because seriously, that's what it breaks the boils down to is that most people don't use the gym and they're the reason why the fees are so low. If they never bought the membership then the people who used it all the time, I'd have to pay like 300 bucks a month. You'd have to actually abide by the fire code. How smart would it be to be like have be a gym that does like an all-acart membership and then you also get like some sort of deal if you use it a lot. Like that would be cool. People have thought of that just doesn't I think there's been gyms that have done that. Well they they just pay X amount, you get knocked off your,

you pay a hundred bucks a month, but every time you use the gym, we take a dollar off. Problem with that is it's the opposite of what you really want, right, as a business owner. Right, it's like, oh yeah, that's your heart says that because you want to help people, supposedly, while you start the business. But in reality, it's going to get more wear and tear

on your facility and you're going to have a gym more filled up so less people can come in, so it would not be ideal. I mean, that's gonna get more wear and tear on your facility and you're gonna have a gym more filled up so less people can come in so it would not be ideal. I mean, that's the funny part about what we do. I think that was what we were all felt so conflicted about for as long as we were in the gym businesses. You know, we say we're here to help the people out, but in reality, there's, if you're not helping a whole lot. No, not only you're not helping a whole lot,

but the model is built to get you to enroll and pay a bunch of money in the never show up. That's the way the model is. In fact, in fact, one of the more popular memberships at the time when I was there at 24-Fitness was a membership where you prepaid, so you pay in advance, and you'd have like a two or three year membership, and then your renewal was insignificant.

It was so low. It was like $49 a year and $99 a year. And I think to yourself, like why would they charge you $100 or less than $100 for the whole year to renew? Because they know you are never gonna use that gym, but you'll also never cancel. So they have a bunch of people paying $100 a year,

a lot of people paying $100 a year. And I know I have family members like this. Like, oh, I got a membership, it's so cheap though, I just keep it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Just in case, just in case what? You're gonna be caught in there. Traveling or you know, things.

That's why that membership thing works so well because it is one of those things where you're like, well, I don't wanna cancel it and then have to pay for the enrollment fees, this or that, or have a higher membership than when it was before. So there's, I don't know, it's pretty smart. It's pretty smart, but sad same time.

Oh, so I think we can talk about this now. Oh, right. Finally, we get the time on, yes. Yeah. We get to talk about what we got introduced. We've had them now for two weeks three We got exclusive access so so Felix Gray great glasses for all day use they block a lot of the harmful types of blue rays Blue light rays, but they didn't have a night time version of their glasses because what you want at night is you want to block

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the ones that we tried, that they had an increase in melatonin levels of 96%. Wow. Yeah, so, and that's a big deal. You know, melatonin is an important hormone that, I mean, increases growth hormone, so if it's low, your growth hormone's low, if it's low, your sleep isn't as effective, it's not as cooperative. Low melatonin levels have been connected to cancer, they've been connected to all kinds of neurodegenerative disorders.

So you want to have healthy, let's say any hormone, right? You want to have a healthy levels of it. And so the way to use these glasses, here's how I've been using them. And here's the problem, by the way, this is what everyone's going to get blown away with. I've had nighttime blue blocking glasses in the past.

The problem with the nighttime blue blocking glasses puts you to sleep. Well, no, and they're orange. Yeah, it distorts the color. Yeah, the orange or the red, because they're these, you know, they're blocking all this different light, but then you see everything through this orange tint.

So, if I, I don't go to bed when the sun goes down, especially in the winter, right? Sun goes down 6, 7 pm. I'm still up till 9 or 10 o'clock at night. I wanna watch a movie. Well, I'm, guess what? I'm gonna watch a movie in orange color now, because I have these orange glasses.

Yeah, these Felix grays which blew me away. They don't distort color. Yeah, they're it's like you're seeing through Regular clear lenses and again, you still don't look like a dork and you don't look like well at all out of all of our products is for me one of the things that I've fallen in love with the most I mean, I've definitely adopted wearing the glasses during the day almost every day It just depends like if I know that I'm not going to be doing a lot of computer work today, I'm not wearing them as I'm actually talking about this. But most days I do. Most days I wear the daytime ones all day long because I'm on my computer, on my phone all day long.

And then now that we have the nighttime ones, when I come home at night and it's like six or seven, I just switch over to those because it only takes about an hour or so, dude, and I can feel your body come down. Yeah, tired. You're supposed to. It's wild, it's really wild. So that's the way to do it. So the way to do it, ideally,

and this is not, I used to think that it wasn't that big of an effect. Like it's to be like, oh, what's a big deal? It's not gonna make that big of an effect. And you start reading the studies and you realize this is one of the single most impactful things you can do. Now of course when it comes to quality sleep there's a lot of things that you should do, right?

But in terms of just one thing that you can do that's going to cause a big impact, this is one of the biggest impacts. And what you should do is you wear the daytime Felix Rake glasses if you're on your computer, you're on your phone all day long. When the sun goes down, you switch them out for the night ones, which block out more blue light. And the longer you wear them, the more of an effect. So rather than just wearing them an hour or two

before bed, wear them when the sun goes down. And then you have them on for four or five hours, then you go to bed and watch what happens. Yeah, that's great. I actually just put an order in because they have the prescription available for my prescription So I'll do that during the day Now with with the computer with my phone to really help with that because before that I was just wearing my reading glasses and then the

Felix Grace at night, so having the combo both is gonna be huge Yeah, I love I think I think it's very smart and the way they did it without it having the tint like bravo good job Because I don't know anybody else has been able to do that very smart and the way they did it without it having the tint like Bravo good job because I don't know anybody else has been able to do that very smart. So another article for you guys I want to read to you so the title of the article is leg exercise is critical to brain and nervous system health. So don't skip leg day. No, all joking aside, they this research shows that neurological health depends as much on signals sent by the body's large muscles to the brain as it does on directives from the brain to the muscles. So the bigger the muscles, the more movement, the more of an effect it has on the brain. And if you don't move those muscles, more neural connections, they're finding that the brain actually starts to, in a way, starts to atrophy.

I feel like that's kind of a duh. You would think so, right? But I think this speaks to what we've talked about a bunch of times, too, or, man, this is why bare minimum, I might just go to the gym and just squat. You're so much good carryover that happens, and we don't really get this deep into it, but I mean, it's, to me, it's obvious, right? If you're moving the biggest muscles in your body, the overall demand from neurological muscle, calorie, heart, blood flow, oxygen, everything, it just seems like, well, it's more valid confirmation though,

because I think people disconnect their body from their brain and like their pursuits of gaining knowledge. Yeah, like you're going to enhance the process of learning by also physically being active and building muscle and even more of these neural connections. Well, so here's how the study worked. They did it with mice. What they did with the mice is they restricted mice from using their hind legs, but not their front legs over a period of 28 days.

And they continue to eat and groom normally, and they did not exhibit stress. Not at the end of the trial. The researcher's examined an area of the brain called the sub ventricular zone, which in mammals has the role of maintaining nerve cell health. So they looked at it, and they found that after 28 days, limiting the physical activity to the hind legs, decreased the number of neural stem cells by 70%. So now, the reason why this is important to know is because your brain gets lots of feedback from your body.

And so a lot of your brain health comes from this type of feedback and your body always prunes what it doesn't need, right? So you don't use your muscles, muscles atrophy, but also the stuff that your muscles can communicate to will also start to atrophy. And so let's say you're an intellectual and just like to read and exercise your brain that way,

you're gonna do better if you also move your body. So for people who wanna improve their cognitive performance who wanna be smarter, who wanna, and this is something I communicate with my kids all the time. Like my son, you know, he gets really, really good grades. He's very academic. And so I tell him, you know, in between, you know, every 30 minutes, if you're doing something where you're really having to use a lot of brain power,

get up, move your body, do some squats, do some pushups, even if it's for five to 10 minutes, when you sit back down, you'll find your performance is much better. And of course, it keeps you healthier. And now he's telling me like, oh, yeah, that totally works. Makes a big difference. Because I mean, schools now are cutting things like PE. They're limiting all these things, thinking that they're not important.

That all we're here to do is teach the kids academics. But even if that was your goal, is just to keep kids, you know, improve their academics and make them smarter in the cognitive sense, activity should also be a part of it, even if you're not trying to get fit physically. You know what I'm saying? It still improves the brain of the health, so. It's all connected. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting

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Which sets determine the most amount of gains you are poised to get from a workout? The first few sets or the last few? Ooh, cool question. With your stance on volume, how many sets per movement or body part is appropriate when starting a program? Now, that last part is...

That's the two questions. Yeah, the last one, let's address the first part. Because the last part's a little tough. Now, I remember a long time ago, this is a cool question. Yeah, this was a bit of a debate in the muscle building world for a second. Is it not still a little bit? You know, I don't know if it is so much, because there's a lot of studies now that show that, you know, volume is important when it comes to building muscle.

But for a second there, what happened was, you had, you know, kind of the golden area of body, golden era, excuse me, of body building was like the 70s, right? With Arnold Schwarzenegger and all those guys. And they did a lot of volumes. All about volume. Those guys did crazy amounts of volume in their workouts. Lots of sets, lots of reps. A lot of reps.

Are you gonna address the second part first? No, no, no, no. Okay, you're talking volume right now. Yeah, no, I got it. I got the first part. So there's lots of sets, lots of volume. They'd all this different stuff. And then during that period of time, there was one body builder who was really, really different

from everybody else. It was Mike Menser. Mike Menser and his brother Ray Menser. And these guys came from the Arthur Jones school where they believed that the setting off the muscle building signal was more like a light switch. And as soon as it went off, muscle growth is gonna happen. And what sets off that switch was intensity.

Like if you just do one all out and sane set to failure, that's what's gonna trigger muscle growth and everything else is just kind of a waste. So there was a bit of this debate that went back and forth and then studies came out showing that no volume is also tight to muscle growth. So really the answer to this question from my point of view is all the sets. All the sets contribute to gains. So that means that the last set probably ascending maybe a louder signal than the first few because fatigue is set in and you know,

there's already some stuff going on I feel like sets two through four Really? Yeah, but if you took it in the groove. Yeah, but if you take out set one then you've got well That's part of it is just learning the movement in the first part Yeah, and it really does depend on the movement, right? Like if I think set one of a bicep curl could be the most impactful set that I do because the bicep curl to preach a curl It's something fucking so basic you can't screw up and your biceps getting fully recruited do something like a squat and Man the first two sets are finding the groove

Getting everything firing properly and it sets three four or five where I feel I'm getting the biggest bang for my buck So you know, I think it would depend on the movement if I were to debate what sets are the most important. I think it depends on the difficulty of the exercise. More simple exercises, sets one and two. I think the more the exercise is, how advanced it is, I would argue sets two, three and four, like going further into it.

Now, that's not to devalue the rather sets though, either, and say that like none of them are important. Yeah, I see that, and that's the thing, I think they're all important and they all work together. So, if you take out the first few sets and just do one set, is it going to be as if you if you didn't have the first ones to begin with? It's like saying this, it's like saying, if you don't prime your body before workout, are you gonna get the same results? Well, no, I don't think you, I don't think you will. I think you'll get better results if you prime properly, even though the priming itself may not contribute to all these strength gains and stuff. So it's an interesting debate. It's almost like a philosophical one in the fitness.. I feel like it it unlocks your body's ability to then apply more

force, safe. Like you've taught your body the movement now, you're comfortable to where I feel like you could press the threshold a little bit more going into it. So maybe that at that point, it's like my intensity can then build up, which will contribute, you know, as well as volume, right? We could just go on a marathon doing that same movement. If we speak to it like a skill, which we talk about it a lot, that, you know, treat exercise like a skill based exercise. We'll think of it like a baseball player who goes out to hit home runs. Yeah. And sure when he's the freshest and he hasn't swung the bat, he has the most energy and the ability, potentially,

to hit the ball harder and further. But his accuracy might not be there yet. Right. And then the likelihood of him hitting the longest ball, I don't know. I mean, maybe from a power standpoint. Right, right. But not from a technique standpoint.

Right. So because it's a skill, that's what I'm saying. And so, you know, I think his best home runs or the ball that goes the frit travels the furthest is rarely ever the very first one that he makes contact with. It's normally swing. Swing. Swing. The zone.

So I feel the same way about very high skilled driven movements, squatting, deadlifting, overhead pressing, bench press, compound lifts, I would say that sets one and two, you may have the most energy and you may have the most potential for it to be the best and the most important. But I would argue that it takes a couple of those sets for you to get the maximum out of that set. Now, to take away from sets one and two, or like we're talking about with priming, I think

they're all important, but I think that when you're talking about a skill based exercise, I would argue that the most important sets are the ones that, you know, after that you've got into the groove and figured that out. Yeah, I think if you, when you look at your program, you definitely can break out segments and I analyze each piece of the workout and the program. But you have to look at the whole picture. And here's an example.

Like if you were to look at a meter, let's say hypothetically we had this new invention that measured muscle building signal, sets, let's say you're doing three sets of an exercise or four sets of an exercise, sets one and two are probably not gonna send a very loud muscle building signal, but as you get a little more fatigue, get warmed up,

you really get into the groove, you're pushing harder, more blood is, you know, in the muscle, you're probably gonna send a louder signal with sets three and four, four being the one that sends the louder signal. But what did it have sent that signal as loudly had it not been for the previous sets that set that one up? So you have to really look at the entire picture, you know?

And so that's why this question is kind of a difficult one, to- That's a fun one. It's a fun one to talk to you to speculate Scroll back up at the top dog so I can read the bottom because the bottom half he's asking about How many sets per move yeah with your stance on volume? How many sets per movement or body part is appropriate with when starting a program again back to the skill part of it? I think I think that I can go in and do

two sets of a curl, a press down, an isolation movement, and get bang it out. That's enough. I didn't need to, I could do two hard sets, bicep curls, and get a massive pump from it, send a signal, and I'm done with their work there, anything after that, probably not as much benefits.

Now, any of this skill-based stuff, I really think I need at least one to two sets just to find the groove. So I think it would also, again, depend on the movement or body part on how many sets. I think it depends so much on the individual, too, man. Of course. You get a beginner. It doesn't take a lot, and you got to adjust intensity and all that stuff too, because intensity is important. I mean, the higher the intensity, the less volume you could do in vice versa.

And when it comes to a beginner, you're better off doing more sets than you are with more intensity. Like, I could take a beginner, and I could severely hurt them, overtrain them, just do too much with just one set. I could take one set, squats to failure with a beginner, and they're gonna be fucked, versus taking a beginner and spend an entire hour doing lots of volume of very low intensity squat type movements, and they'd be much better off.

So all those things matter, but the key is, like how many sets per movement or per body part is appropriate? The least amount that's going to get you your body to change. Right. Right. That's the right amount. You know, you want to get to the point where you're doing the right amount, it's getting your, it's, you have the right balance of adaptation, recovery, you know, based on context of your, your body's recovery ability based on the context of your current level of health, and all that stuff, the right amount is the right amount.

Any more isn't better. Well, this is, so this, I was just texting back and forth in my cousin who was just getting back into the rhythm of training again, and he'd been falling off for like, I think six months or so. And he has all of our programs, and he loved split, and he was diving back into split. I'm like, why would you start with our split program? You've been

off for six months. Doesn't mean that you can't, but it doesn't make sense to jump into a program that high of all this is part of why when you originally years ago now, God, now it's like four or five years ago. So crazy to think that when you sent over maps and a ball, what I thought was so brilliant about it was, I remember looking it over and going like, God, this is just the right amount to really stretch

and push somebody without really over fucking doing it. And like 80, 90% of all my clients fall in this category right here that this is how they should be training for maximum maximum results. And you know, that's two sets. That's two sets of most all exercises, one exercise per body part and doing that three times in a week or two even. You have it set to where, you know, two either or yeah, if you're a beginner, it's only two times. If you're a little more intermediate, maybe three times. But that volume of training, I think, is to me, that's where I send everybody. Anybody who is getting ready to get started, and they haven't lifted for, they've taken a break over the holidays, whatever, is I urge them to start in MAPS and Obolic and start

with the least amount at first, because it's not gonna take much to send that signal and make that body change. Picture it this way. Picture, you have a basketball hoop, and throwing the basketball into the hoop means your body's gonna progress, okay? So the basketball hoop is 10 feet away from me. I'm gonna throw the basketball into the hoop.

If I throw the basketball nine feet, I miss the hoop. If I throw the basketball 11 feet, I miss the hoop. If I throw the basketball 11 feet, I miss the hoop. This is the same thing with training volume and intensity and all those other factors. The right amount is the right amount. The right amount is gonna get that ball into the hoop. Any more, and you miss. This is why we say,

do the least amount that's gonna get you those results, because we have a tendency to think that if some is good, more is better. There nothing can be further from the truth when it comes to exercise, it's totally false. If the right amount is the right amount, any more than that actually reduces your gains, actually slows down your progress, and in fact, many times, especially with fitness fanatics,

is the main reason why their body's not progressing at all. It's why they're plateaued. If I take somebody, whenever somebody messages me and they ask me how they can get their body to start progressing again, I usually ask them, well, what's your experience like? What are your goals, how long have you been working out? If it's somebody that's like, oh, I've been working out

for six years, I work out five days a week. I'm super consistent. I know one of the easiest ways to get their body to progress is to reduce some of the stuff they're doing here. You're probably doing too much because I know someone in your state, you're probably just going at it too hard and too long and too much. Bring it back. You're just doing too much. Your body isn't able to to to handle the volume, the load, the intensity, whatever. That's not true for all cases, of course, sometimes, many times, you're not doing enough, many times you're just not working out that much or you're not working out hard enough. But again, it's the right dose, so it's no different than if you're working out too little in working out too much.

Both of them are not gonna get you more results. So when it comes to volume, as a trainer, this is one of the most valuable things that you could do or provide to your clients, is helping them figure that out, A, you have to figure that out for them, and then B, if you train them a long time, help them figure out their own body and how they know.

And one of the gauges, see here's where soreness comes into play. I used to gauge soreness as a way to say, oh, I had a good workout. Like, oh, if I'm really sore, that means I had a good workout, or if my clients are really sore, it means they have a really good workout.

Later on, I realized that soreness was a great way to gauge if I did too much. Right, if you overeat. Yeah, if I feel a little sore, that's fine. Most of the times, I don't feel any soreness, but if I feel a little bit sore, like, oh, okay, that was good. But if I'm hammered, like if I'm super slag,

oh, my God, my chest, I could barely stretch the move. Yeah, if it's affecting the way you move the next day, you did too much. And you're always, here's the thing, I don't know, we get razzed about this. I know we do it with our peers that are other fitness inspiration people, is that's just because we've trained so many people.

And I think that most people, meaning 90 plus percent, you are way better off scaling back and undershooting that the bucket with your analogy with basketball, you're way better off undershooting it and then slowly keep adding a little bit more, adding a little more until you find that sweet spot, then you are to overreach every time thinking that you're going to get there fast enough. Not pill battle. Whoa, wait, wait. It's really hard to take a client who's just, and here's what Adam's talking about, if

I had a client who is not working out enough, it's not hard to get their body to start moving and progressing. If I have a client that's just beating the crap themselves way too much, we have months of work to do. I got to get them to, okay, we got to scale back, the crap at themselves way too much, we have months of work to do. I gotta get them to, okay, we gotta scale back, we gotta get your sleep better, we gotta let your body recover,

it's gonna take a couple months because your body's fried, it's hard at that point to get them to get things moving. But if I have somebody not working out enough, I'll just bump them up a little bit. Oh, there you go. Your body's responding. Right, and those people are not who we're talking to,

we're not talking to somebody who has a hard time with consistency of even getting to the gym. And so that person needs to move more. They need to exercise more. It's really to, and I think the people that are listening to this show are more on the fanatical side. They're more serious. We have a very large population of personal trainers.

We have a lot of people that if you're listening to health and fitness in your ears all the time, more than likely you're going to the gym fitness in your ears all the time more than likely You're going in the gym pretty consistently and they're just trying to figure out the right way to do it and the answer is is you are You're always shooting for the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change and you'd always rather undershoot because you have room to scale up then to go as hard as you can which is the opposite? I feel that this this space has been pushing we've been pushing the intensity message for as long as you can, which is the opposite I feel that this space has been pushing. We've been pushing the intensity message

for as long as I've been in it, and I too have felt victim to that of thinking that this was the best approach is balls of the wall, no days off, and killing it all the time when it's like, no, like in fact, you're way better off doing way less and then going like, oh wow, I could've done a little bit more.

Great, you got another workout ahead of you in two days. You know what I'm saying? Do a little more then. You know what I'm just, and even if it's about that mental toughness and really being able to work that side of it as well, like, I mean, you can work as hard as you possibly can at something, but like, you need it,

you need to be able to stick, you need to be able to do that long term. And this is just one of those things I had to learn the hard way that there is a smarter way to approach it to where it's fully incorporated in my life now. Like this is something I can get up and go do another workout today. I don't have to worry about like, oh my God, my legs are,

you know, I'm debilitated because of the workout I did previous to that. And it's almost more hard of a discipline to back it down a little bit. Next question is from KM Kendall. Can you expand on the idea that not all calories are created equal? For example, 500 calories of fries versus 500 calories

of whole grains or sweet potatoes. I love this discussion, because it goes back and forth, and I think there's a lot of misinformation out there. And so to specify, if we were to take 500 calories of fries and 500 calories of healthy food, and we were just measuring the energy within the foods, they're the same. In the sense that a thousand pounds of feathers

is ways the same amount as a thousand pounds of bricks. You know, that old riddle, right? Which was more, it's the same, in the sense that a thousand pounds of feathers is ways the same amount as a thousand pounds of bricks. You know, that old riddle, right? Which was more, it's the same, right? Okay, that doesn't mean that they're the same in terms of how your body reacts to them. So here's what I mean by that, because we tend to only think of calories and versus calories out as if that's the only thing

we need to pay attention to when we're trying to eat in a way to get our body to lose weight and feel good long-term, okay? Yes, calories in versus calories out, it's a law of physics, it's thermodynamics, right? It's the most simplistic approach you could take. Okay, but how do you feel? Eat 500 calories of fries

and then eat 500 calories of a well-balanced meal. See how you feel? Yeah, 500 calories of complaining to And then eat 500 calories of a well-balanced meal. See how you feel? You got 500 calories of complaining to French fries to sweet potatoes. It's too close, I think, for most people to get the analogy. It's way simpler to explain to someone like, drink 500 calories of soda,

and then take 500 calories and mix it between sweet potato, chicken breast, and then some greens, and both are 500 calories. there's so much that you're getting nutrient value from the balanced meal and you're getting from, and I think that's obvious to people. I think where people also didn't get this gray area or they get confused is when you compare things like a French fry, which is potato, that's fried, to sweet potatoes, there isn't a huge amount of different, not the difference between a 500 calorie drink of sugar versus a 500 calorie balanced meal.

That's a large spectrum. Well, to me, it's just looking at like chemicals, like different chemicals are gonna affect me in a different way. I just don't understand how we can't like discern the difference between like what type of nutrient value you're getting from one type of a food versus one as the same type of a calorie, you know, standard.

I'll tell you why it's because a lot of people like our good friend Lane who's out there that's, you know, on this march of, there's no such thing. He's a real rabble rousers isn't he? Yes, he's this whole, this whole march of, like that word, He's a real rabble rousers isn't he? Yes, it is. This whole march of, it's that we're just, yeah, rabble rousers. I'm just saying,

where'd you pull that one from? No, I just popped into my brain. No, there's a large community and he's a part of it that there's no such thing as bad food. And there's no such thing as bad food and good food. It's all just calories, right? Like this is this move. Why is it giving me diarrhea?

This is this movement that we have going on that I think is confusing people that are going like, hey, well, he's right. You know, law of throwing amics, and if it's 500 calories, 500 calories, my goal is to lose, then really it's not gonna play that big of a part. Yeah, in the whole weight loss, weight gain, world,

you're right. There isn't a lot of difference between 500 calories of soda and 500 calories. If you are a IIFYM person, it's the end of the night and you have 500 calories left in your available calories to eat or drink and you decide to have 500 calories of coke versus 500 calories balance. Can you still wake up the next morning and be leaner? Absolutely. Absolutely. You absolutely can't actually, if the macro, that's a little, a young man's argument. That's what I'm saying.

If all you care about is losing weight or gaining weight, then absolutely the law of thermodynamics does apply. And absolutely, if you have 500 calories left in the bank or the tank that you're allowed to consume, and you choose to go all 500 calories of that in soda or all 500 calories in french fries and you pass on the chicken breast, broccoli and white rice. Absolutely, you can still lose weight. The question is, how optimal is that for your body for all the other things and all the other benefits that come from the nutrient dense food?

There's other things, there's other systems, there's other parts of your body that relies on all these micro nutrients that nobody likes to talk about because it's not sexy. One of the biggest things, biggest lessons I learned training hundreds of people is that the psychology behind everything that they do is the most important thing, right? When you're talking about losing weight

or gaining weight or changing a body composition, we're talking about doing this long term thing, right? When you're talking about losing weight, or gaining weight, or changing your body composition, we're talking about doing this long term forever, okay? And if you just look at everything as macros and calories, it ain't, you're gonna have a tough time doing it. Unless you're like this fanatic about it, and you're gonna have this unhealthy obsession with counting calories and counting macros all the time. But we have to consider the subject,

you have to consider the person. You have to consider the person. And 500 calories of one particular type of food is going to make someone feel different than 500 calories of another types of food. And it can be from the way it affects your hormones. It could be the way it affects your neurotransmitters. But it could also just be the palatability of the food. Like 500 calories of some foods are gonna make me hungrier.

500 calories of other foods are gonna make me not wanna eat anymore. Is that a factor? Should we consider that factor when we're trying to look at our diet and trying to lose weight or anything? What about skin, hair, digestion? You have all these other things. Sure. I mean, to me, it's even simpler than that. It's like you have things that are in nutrient- foods that make your hair better, make your skin better, make your eyes better, make you shit better.

All these things that are important to fucking being healthy and normal are packed in nutrient dense foods. They are not packed in process packaged sugary drinks and things like that. So yeah, if all you, but, but when we're talking about law of thermodynamics and calories in, calories out and weight loss versus weight gain, then yes, this is true

that you could choose to do that, but there's so much more to your body running optimally than just losing weight or gaining weight. So, and, and, and, and yes, like you're saying, palatability and, you know, if I were and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and a hard gainer. A hard gainer, somebody who finds that it's very difficult to gain muscle or size and they have a fast metabolism. I am a hard gainer, I was a hard gainer growing up. I know Adams talked about this in the past. And so I had to reverse the way I talked to them

because normally I talk to people about... I'm a huge gainer. Yeah, normally I talk to people about how to eat foods that are gonna make them more satisfied so that they don't have to deal with this ravenous hunger. Well, this poor kid's like, I can't eat any more food. So I'm like, look, you're gonna want to eat foods that make you want to eat more.

And you're gonna want to eat them in order of, you know, you don't want to eat the super-sayshating stuff first because you have all these other foods left over. Do it on the reverse. And so we were talking about that. And I actually had experienced it this weekend. I had family over. And we were eating sandwiches for lunch.

And I never, almost I never eat bread. But this time I did, I had nice French bread, we made all these like real nice Italian sandwiches or whatever. And I find that bread, a bread, excuse me, not only bloats me, so I kind of feel kind of crappy, but literally, yeah, literally an hour later, I want more food.

It triggers more of an appetite. So if I, if I, let's say bread was healthy and I could digest it well, that probably would be a good thing for me to try and increase my appetite to have me more. All these things are very important. So all these factors are important to consider. And here's another thing I've told clients before.

Can somebody gain weight on a whole food natural diet of foods that they prepare themselves. Good luck. Good luck. You can. Good luck, right? But good luck. Like, I used to tell clients,

how many clients have you met? Yeah, exactly. I used to tell clients, hey, eat all these foods as much as you want. Let's see what happens. And most of them would end up losing weight because they'd be satisfied. They don't want to eat anymore.

They're hunger. Now is more appropriate. Because your body really, does your body really want to be super overweight and actually doesn't. You know, palat fatigue exists naturally, because in nature, if you overeat something, you get sick, it's not good for you either.

Now, the odds of you doing that are low because you stop wanting to eat. Do you know when I put this together, we probably have to look at the book up. Maybe Doug can look at this book up. LL Cool J did a book. Like, it's not your mom out there. He did a book and I don't remember what year it was,

but this was pretty early on or maybe midway through my training career. And one of the things that I liked about it was, and this is when I pieced all this together, I was a trainer, was he had, I wanna say four or five sections of food and it was, now it's even further back from that one, Doug, I think it's that bottom one. It's one of the older ones for sure.

Anyways, he had a section in there that was foods that you should never eat, foods that you should rarely ever eat, foods that you should eat sometimes, and then foods you should eat all the time. And then it had like a recommended, like you know, two to three times in a day for that, once rarely, like, and it was such a basic list, but it was so put together,

I think in such a simplistic way, that it helped my clients tremendously, just to understand that, listen, you know, stay at a hierarchy there. Right, right, and it matters. There's no calorie counting going on here. It's just like, eat most of your foods from here. Try and limit yourself over here.

And it's amazing what a difference that made. That was the, when I pleased that together was this and I think for, man, maybe for like a year or two, I think I kept copies of this by my desk. And this is just how I used to give clients out all their diet information because telling someone to go follow this diet that I put together for the next two weeks was this, it never seemed to last. It never seemed to keep people going forever. And then this whole wave right now with the IIFYM and people finding ways to fit these

foods that are not ideal for you to be eating in into your diet because you want them I-I-F-I-F-Y-M and people finding ways to fit these foods that are not ideal for you to be eating in into your diet because you want them so bad. It's like, well, what are we really doing? You obviously have some sort of an addiction or connection to these foods that you feel the need that you have to fit them in somehow. Like, what are you really doing?

Are you just justifying that? That's why I don't like this whole, there's no such thing as good or bad food. And I understand the whole movement of like not demonizing food. I'm not trying to demonize food, but I'm also very realistic. And I understand that I've trained lots of fucking people

that allow a lot of these foods to come in all the time and they struggle and they battle with it. So much of dieting and nutrition is psychological too. And when you have to battle things that kick up cravings and things that you have attachments to and things that you've made connections as a kid and that you love it and whatever, like if you are still struggling with all that

and you are to me the whole IIF way, well there's some foods that are just very much set up to overindulge it. And it's like, oh, like the perfect example with donuts, like after the basketball game, I was just like, I was seeing red just because it's just one of those things where it's like the wrong girl ward, you know, we just did all this awesome physical activity, everything, you know,

let's benefit the body, let's nourish the body now and then now we're giving it shit, but that's one of those foods It's like oh yeah, I don't want another one. I'm another one another one No, the whole this whole movement of like there are no good bad foods and you know There are no good food that all follows the same trend of like you know morality is subjective Then fat people everything's okay One of those things another one of those things like there's no such thing as fat

There's just love yourself the way There's like no no no You relativism for everything. Yeah, like, like, okay, there are bad things and there are good things in life. And no, I'm sorry, I know it maybe makes you feel better at night to go to bed and think, oh, well, it's everything, I'm good, everything's good because it's all relevant, no, I'm sorry,

there's objective things that are good, there's objective things that are bad, it goes to food as well. Does that mean that there's no use for a pop tart every once in a while? No, sure, there's objective things that are bad, it goes to food as well. Does that mean that there's no use for a pop tart every once in a while? No, sure, there may be a use for it, but does that make it healthy for you? Nope, doesn't change the reality, so.

Next question is from Madness Fit. I've heard that training a mobile limb when the other is incapacitated in a cast or sling can actually cause similar strength gains in the injured limb. Yeah. Is there any truth to this? Yeah, there's truth to this. There absolutely is.

Yeah, absolutely is. I think this is the, I mean, this just supports the neurological side. Yeah. I mean, just getting neurons to get firing and moving and stuff like that is going to promote muscle sustainability anywhere on your body. There's a local effect, you know,

that you're going to get most of the effect the effect right so if I work out my legs only Most of the adaptation most of the strength most most of the gains are gonna go to my legs But there's also this kind of systemic effect throughout the whole body where you know Somebody who only works out their legs is gonna be stronger in their arms than if they had never worked out at all Both from the hormone changes systemically, but there's also this muscle building signal that they've now measured that happens throughout the whole body. They've actually done studies on this. This is something that's been observed for a long time.

One study found that, if you, when subjects trained just their right arm and their right arm gained, you know, 20 to 25 percent strength and muscle, the left arm, although not being trained, but still gained around 10% strength. So now why is this important to know? Because I, like people all the time will injure themselves and then say, I will, I can't go to the gym because my leg is in a cast or my right arm is hurt and so I just can't work out at all.

And I always tell them, train the rest of your body. Just go to the gym and be active and work everything else out. Not only will it improve and speed up the recovery of the broken or injured limb, it'll also prevent atrophy and you'll be better off when that cast comes off. So this is an important thing to talk about. Well, I think that you get you get the blood flow, you get more oxygen, more nutrients, you get the CNS part of the... Oh yeah, the reagent effect. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot to that. I mean, I never, whenever I had,

well, anytime I've been injured, I'd still been in the gym lifting and doing other things like that. I think it always helps the recovery process too, like when you start to actually rehab and if you've already had a momentum of working out and exercise, there's a systemic atrophy that happens when you just don't exercise the whole body.

That's more than just the limbs that are not being trained themselves. Like if you don't exercise anything at all, let's say all you care about are your arms. This is a good one to talk about. There's a lot of people, especially a lot of guys out there who don't like to work their legs out, you know, they just want to work out their upper body, they want to work out the show muscles.

Yeah, she's not like that. And I'll always tell them, start squatting and watch what happens to your arms. Watch the arm size, watch what happens. I remember there was this one kid who worked for me years ago, who he was all armed, all upper body. All he ever did was work out his upper body. And he's like, man, my arms are stuck at, and 3-quarters of an inch. And I want to get my arms to 17 inches. And I said, start doing some squats and deadlifts and watch what happens. And he's like, well, you know, he couldn't understand. He's like, well, why is it because I'm holding onto the bar and I'm trying to

tense up and do this and that. And like, no, I said, your body, you know, you're only as strong as your weakest link and your body kind of knows this. That's the way I explained it at least back then. And so sure enough, I convinced him, you know, to work out his lower body to do some squats. Sure enough, it was within like a couple months, of course, his legs grew like crazy, but he gained a quarter inch on his arms. And this guy was stuck there forever. I've experienced this with myself when I've been injured. You know, I've had injuries to, I've had my left knee,

has been, kneecap has been dislocated a couple times. And the second time it happened, I went back to the gym and I still did exercises with my right leg. And my, now this is anecdotally, but my recovery, my ability to gain muscle and strength back in the leg that was injured was so much better when I worked out just my right leg. It was that whole, you know, carryover effect.

So I think it's real important when you're injured to work out your whole body to amplify that effect, or at least take care of that effect. So you don't get that super bad atrophy that you can get from being injured. But studies have proven this, been done for a long time. There's actually, there's a term for it years ago. I wanna say, I'm gonna look it up. Here we go, all the way back to 1894,

they recorded, it was recorded as contralateral effects, or cross education, or cross training effects. And these refer to these terms refer to the findings of untrained limbs increasing strength during unilateral training. So this is not even a, this isn't even, this has been pretty established that for sure this ends up happening. Next question is from Dallas, Deadman. Since you are all fans of cannabis,

how do you think you'll approach this object when your kids become interested in it or try it without you knowing? Do you think you will discipline them or allow them to do it within certain parameters? This is interesting. Now, right now, right now, I'm assuming both of you keep it pretty undercover,

like your kids don't see either one of you. I've had conversations with my son about cannabis and I try to keep open dialogue. He's 13, that's why I've had it with him. My daughter's nine, so she really doesn't have any questions about it, but I try to keep open dialogue about all things. And I always encourage him, like you can ask me anything,

and try not to act shocked when he brings things up because I wanted to feel comfortable. And we had a conversation about drugs in general, and then he asked me if I tried certain drugs. Did you try this? Did you try that? And so I was pretty honest, and he asked me about cannabis. And I said, yeah, I did.

And I have, and I told him about how I started using it, how I tried it when I was younger, but then how I started using it, how I tried it when I was younger, but then how I started using it because it helped me with my gut issues and how his grandmother, before she passed away, she used it for treating her cancer, how there's medicinal effects, but also how there's recreational effects

why people like using it. And I think it's important to have really open dialogue. And it's funny when people ask about cannabis this way, because everybody's kind of weird about it. I'll treat it the same way I treat alcohol. You know, like they see their family members drinking wine and drinking alcohol, you know. And weed's getting like this too,

or you can be at a family function or event, and there's multiple people that are probably smoking or going around the corner and smoking and doing that. So yeah, I think all approach it like you alluded to in terms of alcohol because they have already been exposed to, you know, Courtney and I will have a drink with dinner. And we've talked our way through that quite a bit in terms of, you know, how that affects us and, you know and what the proper amount and what really happens where it becomes problematic

is when people start to lose their inhibitions with it and they go a little too far in the dosing of it. And it's all something that you can manage and maintain. And this is, weed has not been one of those things that we've been able to cover yet, but it's gonna be our won't call it weed. I'll say cannabis. But yeah, it's one of those things.

It's like, even for me, personally, I've had sort of a long road with that to be able to kind of unravel a lot of the stigma, even with sort of hiding and being like a little bit in the dark with it. And just knowing all the health benefits, you know, Jason, now that I could kind of refer to that helps, but also just like knowing, you know, more of the history behind it and just seeing all the hypocrisy in terms of how they handle substances like caffeine, alcohol, all these really popular drugs in a sense. I just have a completely different view of it now than my parents, than their generation. And I think that our generation is going to be a lot different with it, you know, going forward. So I think just don't make it weird. Yeah, downplay. You make it really weird. Well, there has to be the taboo. They're going to be more likely to want to go crazy with it and just like that, you know. This is an interesting question because

one, because I don't have kids, but more so, because I actually had this conversation with my little brother, my little brother is 12, 13 years younger than I am. And so do the math when I was 28, 29 and getting into the cannabis space, you know, he's in his teens and right at that age of when you're probably around a pot a lot with friends in high school and shit like that. And here you have your older brother who was pretty much a straight arrow kid most of my life and was in fact anti-Amarawana for a very long time. Now, running a cannabis club, and one of the first ones to do that,

and then I got into growing and everything. So also, and I go from anti-Amarawana to fucking Kingpin. And I got to tell my little brother that I have to have this conversation with him. I never forget the conversation. We're sitting up in my living room at my house. And he was just starting to get into it. And I felt that I was afraid that he would not make the same intelligent or what I thought was intelligent decisions when it came to the usage of cannabis that I did. And so that's what I feared was, you know, he's young. Very, very young getting involved in it. I got

involved with my late 20s. I'd already won. I came from a, I was anti-it and so it took a lot to convince me that it wasn't just a bunch of hippies that were saying that the Hasmedicinal benefits just using an excuse to get high. So it took a lot of convincing, first of all, to convince me otherwise with that. And then once I finally was introduced to the proper strains and realized, like, oh, wow, I don't need to get fucking loaded. I can take a couple hits of something and I can actually experience some of these benefits that people talk about when it comes to anxiety

or sleep or stress or whatever or even aches and pains. Like I started to see that stuff and go, okay, I can see the benefits of this, but I could also still see where a lot of people go down the rabbit hole and end up being addicted to it like anything else, even though it's not a quote-unquote addictive drug. It can be just like anything else, even though it's not a quote, unquote, addictive drug. It can be just like anything else.

And so I had this long talk with him. And a lot of what I shared with him was that, like with Sal and Justin are saying, which is telling him that, you know, yes, it has some of its benefits. And there's a lot of positive things that are around it. I said, but the scary thing is that because it's something that we use recreationally that it can get you know, seem fun and seem like something that you want to do a lot because watching movies is fun in it and playing video games with it is fun and doing shit on the weekend with your buddies is fun and before you know it, it becomes something that starts to consume your life and

something that I put together because I got into it being older, I'd already seen myself be successful in the business world and financially make it and be a grinder and a hard worker. And then I could see myself when I got high and when I got high, I was not this productive get after it type of guy who could work Bell to Bell seven days a week. And so that was my concern with him is that listen, you're at, you're at that age right now when you're young, you don't have kids, you're not married. If there was ever a time that you were going to pour yourself into excelling and being successful and growing and learning and being better, this is the time and quite frankly as much as your brother is is you know pro cannabis, you know, it does concern me on how much that would have

slowed down the rate of my success in my early 20s had I been using it on a regular basis. So I had that discussion and to be honest, I failed because I see my brother now and he's high 24, seven and it's really unfortunate that he's attached himself to, you know, and he's an introvert. So what he used to explain or when if you were to hear him talk about why he uses cannabis is because it allows, he says it allows him to be himself and personable and he doesn't get the social anxiety. He says he deals with a lot of social anxiety,

gets around people and if he's sober, he clams all up, he doesn't want to talk to anybody, gets nervous, if he's loaded and he's high, he's outgoing, he's personable, he talks to people. And then you end up training it into your, that becomes your default pattern. Exactly. This is how you operate. And and so all of a sudden, he starts to utilize this as a tool. So he doesn't feel social anxiety. And so, well, since we're social creatures, and we're around people all the fucking time, it all said in warrants or justifies him smoking,

from sun up to sun down. And so I see that now and it's really, really unfortunate and I've seen him spiral down from a lot of different things just of how he takes care of himself and is where the way he lives and shit like that. And it's kind of a bummer that I didn't get through to him. So, you know, I think about that a lot.

And I think about what am I gonna do when I have a kid? And I don't know, like I know me and like the way I am with anything and discipline as much as I'm pro cannabis, there's probably a good chance that you won't see or hear me smoking very much with kids, if ever. On the type of person that it's not that as pro as I am, it's not that important to be in my life

that I need, that I'll want to have to explain to my kid why it's dad getting high. Yeah, and personally, I would love it if they were framed till they were older. You know, like they were mature and they had, they, like even any altered state of consciousness, I wanna see like, like they were like mature and they had they like even any altered state of consciousness I want to see like like you said like it pouring themselves into these You know the development of their skills the development of their education like these that keeps them plenty busy

Like like there's there's plenty of fun to be had Later on and when you're mature and you make more rational decisions and it's not like so impulsive. If a person has good, healthy coping mechanisms, if a person is comfortable with being uncomfortable at times, then the odds that they will become addicted or have a poor relationship to a substance are much smaller. We know that now. It's not necessarily the substance, that's the problem, although some substances have more addictive properties

than others, especially physiologically speaking. Like caffeine is a very addictive physiological substance. You drink caffeine every day for two weeks, go off of it, you'll feel withdrawal, right? And other drugs are much worse. But besides that, if you feel like you need a substance to do something, like to either deal with your depression or deal with boredom or deal with social anxiety

or deal with your wife or your husband or work, then it's much easier to become addicted. Because now I hate this part of my life, this makes it so that I can deal with that part. So they don't have the tools to cope or to handle, you know every day life It's fun. I was watching another conversation. I remember what interview it was I think it was the one with the rabbi on on the Rubin report and you said that it's funny because people are Need to learn how to become to be unhappy sometimes like it you don't need to be fucking happy all the time

Right, you have to be okay with being unhappy and realize the benefits that comes from it. Same thing with being bored. Board, yeah. Like it's okay to be bored sometimes. In fact, being bored, many times spurs, creativity, and opens up space in your mind to remember and to do things. So I think when it comes to my kids, I really want to just try to raise them in a way where they have those coping mechanisms where they could deal with certain things. Because if a kid learns how to deal with something with a drug, that drug may become a part of their life. If your kid is having a tough time through their teens, which a lot of teenagers do, and they're having their mood fluctuations that

happen from it, maybe school is real tough, maybe whatever, there's something difficult going on their life, and they find a substance, and that substance helps them cope with it, and now they've learned that pattern of coping with something difficult with the substance, and well, the next challenging thing that happens, they're gonna do that again, and they're gonna keep doing it. And next thing you know, and next thing you know,

they would rather be high than be sober, and that's the problem really. So it's not so much the substance as it is that. It's a very scary, and it's a really good question because I think about this a lot because of I feel like I failed my brother and that fear of what, you know, if and when I have a kid,

like how am I gonna deal with this? Especially at this time, like we're in the mid, we come from a time when it was shamed, right? Or it was kept in the dark. Nobody super taboo. Yeah, very taboo to smoke weed. So it's, it's becoming normal and hip and cool and just like anything,

it looked like a glass of wine. It's becoming that, that casual, especially where we're at in the Bay area. And so I think about raising a kid in that, like, in, and during that time, I really think that we're in this window in this like 10 year window or so of a very scary time to be trying to raise a kid around this subject because we're trying to get it legalized that so much positive information is coming around it, which I'm totally pro because I think we were the complete opposite

years before that, you know, the back when we were kids, you know, the egg frying pan, this is your brain on drugs. You know, we used the marijuana commercial like the guy goes crazy. Crazy. Yeah, so we went from one extreme of, you know, it'll kill you. It's the worst thing for you. It's the gateway drug to everything, which was all bullshit. To now the opposite extreme, which is, cannabis can help everything.

It's for everything in the body. It's so good for you. And I don't agree with either one of those camps. I'm somewhere in the middle. I believe it can be useful for a lot of people, and I think it shouldn't be legalized and demonized, but then I also don't think that it's for most people. I think most people don't have the self-discipline

to even get to the fucking gym and sacrifice eating certain foods that they shouldn't eat because it's not ideal and optimal for their body. Those same fucking people probably shouldn't be getting high. Now this is real, right? A huge percentage of Americans, a large percentage of Americans, have tried a

substance, whether it be alcohol, tobacco, or an illegal illicit drug. A very small percentage of them become addicted to anything at all. So we need to be, we need to understand that it's not the substance so much that we need to fear, especially a substance like cannabis, which yeah, you can become a stoner and become a loser, but it's not going to kill you. Don't fear the substance and don't demonize the substance because that doesn't work. It just doesn't work. People will use it or not. And sometimes a taboo just makes kids want to use it even more.

In fact, I think cannabis is going to be the point where kids are going to be like, it's not that big of a deal anymore whereas before it was like, oh, you got to join it. It makes it kind of cool. Focused on the reasons why people become addicted, like you don't want your kid to have a problem with drugs, well, you know, give him a good childhood, teach him to be confident, and teach them ways to overcome challenges.

Don't let them, don't raise them in a way where they're afraid of being challenged, you know, don't shelter him too much, you know, show them love, you know, those types of things. So that, cause here's what's gonna happen, your kid goes, at some point, your kid's gonna move out of the house or go to college, they're going to be exposed.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I wanna raise my kids to be able to deal with having to make decisions for themselves, because at some point, you don't wanna avoid the conversation. That's it. You definitely wanna have that conversation, and you wanna educate as much as possible. But yeah, if they have a sense of purpose all the time

and they're involved, either in their school, extracurricular activities that are a healthy thing for them to be involved in, that's where all the efforts need to live. I wanna have the relationship where me and my kids were all adults and we all, every great once in a while, drink together. You know, I get to take my kids, my kids are all in their 20s or whatever.

We all go out to a bar and enjoy ourselves responsibly. Or we all smoke a joint together at some point or something like that. You know, we're all, it's responsible. You know, it's funny, they do studies on countries where their attitudes are different towards alcohol. Like you look at the Mediterranean countries where wine is served at dinner and they'll always have the little kid, you try a little bit or whatever. Vine is drinking is much lower

in a lot of these countries because it's not. I mean, I got really sick the first time I got drunk because I didn't understand, because I never drank as a kid. When I was a kid, not only did I never drink, nobody in my family drinks, you drink it like a big goal. So I never, I never understood, nobody taught me,

you know, what happens. So that's the kind of conversations that I, you know, I tend to have with my kids, I'll talk about those times of things. Look, if you go to mindpumpfree.com, you can check out some of our free guides. We have a lot of guides on there. Some teach you how to squat like a pro,

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