Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 951: How to Fix Squat Imbalances, MAPS Programming Revealed, Greatest Mentors & MORE

Episode Date: January 23, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how to address hip shift or tilt in the squat, why MAPS programs frequently don't follow NASM's recommended progression, what a typical Mind Pump work day looks like and their greatest mentors. Sal explains the process of getting health insurance with Health IQ. (4:50) The weird power of the placebo effect explained. How your experience is just as important as the physiological response. (12:45) Facebook invests $300m in local news. (24:08) Is working remotely more productive than working from an office? (26:25) The Mind Pump vetting process and return rate on sponsors like Ned. (38:30) #Quah question #1 – How do you address hip shift or tilt in the squat? (46:40) #Quah question #2 – Why do MAPS programs frequently not follow NASM's recommended progression? (58:11) #Quah question #3 - What does a typical work day look like for you guys from beginning to bed? (1:10:45) #Quah question #4 – Who were your greatest mentors? (1:24:14) People Mentioned: Taylor (@tayvalenz)  Instagram Jordan Harbinger (@jordanharbinger)  Instagram Products Mentioned: January Promotion: MAPS Anabolic ½ off!!   **Code “RED50” at checkout** Health IQ   **Free Quote** NED   **Code "mindpump" 15% off first purchase** The Weird Power of the Placebo Effect, Explained A fascinating landmark study of placebo surgery for knee osteoarthritis Facebook invests $300m in local news so people still have something to ‘Like’ Remote Workers Are Outperforming Office Workers--Here's Why Organifi  **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Cancer: Do cannabinoids cure cancer? Muscular Adaptation Programming System | MAPS Prime Pro Program Mind Pump TV - YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, so for the first 42 minutes, we don't talk a whole lot about fitness, but we do have some fun conversation. Here's what we talked about. We start out by talking about my Health IQ Life Insurance quote, there's some interesting information in there. Now they did give me the best quote that I could get.

Doug actually brought up some other numbers. Thank God you're healthy, Sal. They crushed them. Health IQ specializes in bringing life insurance to fit and healthy people. So if you work out a lot, that's the place you want to go. To take their quiz, to see if you can out a lot, that's the place you want to go. To take their quiz to see if you can get a great rate, go to healthicu.com-sla-minepump, scroll to the bottom of the page for the quiz.

Then we talked about this interesting article that I read that's talking about the placebo effect, how it really works, and the fact that it seems to be getting stronger, which is kind of weird, but also interesting. It's all in your mind. Facebook is investing in local news. Is that good or bad thing?

I don't know. Then we talked about the difference between working remotely and productivity. Are people more productive when they work away from work? In their jammies or in their business suit? Or should they be here at work, Taylor? Then we talked about Ned. Specific. Hempoil company produces a full spectrum

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You'll get 15% off your first purchase. Then we went into the fitness portion of this episode. The first question was, look, when people squat, sometimes they shift a little bit to one side or to the other, how do you address that? Like, how do you fix that? What are some of the things you should look at? I call that the gangster lean. The next question, this one came from a personal trainer,

the national certification, and ASM, likes to emphasize the importance of starting people off with a stabilization phase, helping them control their body, moving them through muscular endurance or muscle building, and then moving them to strength. But many of our math programs seem to start with a strength phase. Are we crazy or are we right?

Find out in that part of this episode. The next question, this person wants to know what our typical work day looks like, so we kind of break down what we do during the day. It involves a lot of eating and pooping. And the final question, who were our greatest mentors in our lives? Also, this month, Maps and Obolic is 50% off.

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discounts them all. You can find all of those at maps fitnessproducts.com. Teacher time. And it's t-shirt time. Oh, it's man, it's the favorite time of the week right here. So last week, if you recall, we had a very poor review week. This week, people made up for it, they did very well. So, thank you guys, exactly. So we get out eight shirts today. Hooking them up. Our iTunes winners are IG at the dead cast.

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Did you? Yeah. So I learned a couple things. Tell me. So I did, health IQs are sponsor, right? And I wanted to get some quotes, because I already have life insurance. I got a long time ago. Give me some scary stats. And I wanted to get some, cause I already have life insurance. I got a long time ago.

Give me some scary stats. And I want to go through the process because this company's a little bit different. They specialize in helping, in just ensuring fit and healthy people so they give you better prices. And I didn't know, first off, the quiz that you take on their website,

actually that's actually ways on your price. It's not just a, hey, you pass a test. It's not like a gimmicky thing. No, they actually use that. Oh, you lie. No, no, no, no, no, what? Oh, you lie. That's how I take test out.

Oh, you know, well, no, I honestly, I just thought it was a really smart gimmick to get leads. No, you ready for this? Yeah, wow. This is a real statistic that the guy told me. A high health IQ, health IQ, which is what they refer to the test. If you score high intelligence in health, that through their own study is correlated

with a 36% lower risk of early death. Whoa. So just by taking the quiz, which a lot of our listeners have already done makes sense. And for smarter people live longer. Well, people who know about fitness, because yeah, you're interested in actually being healthy. I think that's like a component on its own.

Well, remember when we took the quiz? You can't really fudge it. A lot of the questions were good. It wasn't bullshit stuff. No, they were challenging. Yeah, like is it good for you to exercise? I wasn't stupid shit like that. I was actually good questions.

I mean, none of us aced it. I mean, let's be honest. Yeah, I think I missed one or two, right? I mean, some of it was old information though. Maybe. But I think they updated. Yeah, but you can't be as I mean, you're not getting smart of whatever.

You're not getting smart of anything. But anyway, so that weighs on the test. I did get my price, which I'll give you guys in a second. I am blown away right now by this. I really thought that that was just a sales gimmick. Nope, they actually used that. And I hate to say the word gimmick because I think it's really smart

how they did that to capture leads. I did not know they actually way. We saw as a marketing plumber. Yeah, I did, I really did. No, the guy literally told me, because I got on the phone with them without taking the quiz this time around. And the guy said, okay, he goes, here's your rates.

You know, and these rates will stay this way so long as you score good on your test, on your quiz, which you probably will. He's like, and I asked him, I said, does this actually weigh like on the price? He goes, absolutely. You know, it was interesting to me, which I know you're probably gonna bring up at some point,

but you know how you go to any other insurance company, they're gonna ask you if you're like a smoker. Yes. Tobacco smoker, like that plays a big factor in. Huge factor, right? Your prices go through the roof. They're gonna ask you if you're like a smoker. Yes. Tobacco smoker, like that plays a big factor in... Huge factor, right? Your prices go through the roof. They're gonna weigh that. So I guess a lot of insurance companies weigh like marijuana smoke in the same category.

So if you smoke cannabis, it's like you smoke tobacco and you'll pay way more. Bullshit. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Okay. Not health IQ. Nope. Oh.

Yep. They're not health IQ. They're pro cannabis. I wouldn't go that far But the guy told me he goes, yeah, it's not like cannabis. This isn't gonna hammer your score like excuse me This isn't like tobacco. It's not gonna hammer your score like if you smoked I was very forward thinking on their part I think it's brilliant to be quite honest Yeah, yeah, actually the guy was kind of funny. We were talking about favorite strains. No Yeah, actually the guy was kind of funny. We were talking about favorite strains. No, he's got our name wrong. Yeah, he goes, what company do you work for?

And I said, oh, I'm actually one of the founders, but I was like, what's the name of it? And I said, mine pump. Well, anyways, at the end of it, he's like, I'm trying to look up your company. Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine media. I'm like nailed.

They hit the book. He really did. He thought he was like, how would we ever ensure it? Like how would we ever do business? I'm like nailed it. The Hitler book. He really did. He thought he was like, how would we ever ensure it? Like how would we ever do business? I'm like, you, I have a media company named after the book, Hitler wrote. That's what I was with you. I'm so kind of racist psychopath. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, moments when I think that our name isn't that good. Like, I think like, man, what a great name we came up with. Well, that's why I say to people and be like, huh?

You see it too fast? Yeah, I even point to my brain when I say mind. And then I point to my bicep when I say pump. And I feel like this, you have to like motion it. So check this out. Studies will show that people who lift weights just twice a week have a 46% reduction in mortality. This is from health IQ.

So they weigh all forms of exercise, including in especially resistance training, which is good because we know that resistance training is so important. But anyway, here's my prices, and Doug, I wanna see if I get, were you able to pull up any competitor prices? I was, yes.

Okay, so what did you get? Cause I wanna, and then I'll tell you what I got from health, okay, I'll tell you what I got help from health IQ first. I got a quote for a million dollar policy and for a half a million dollar policy. And this is for a 40 year old male myself, fit healthy, doesn't smoke, cigarettes, you know, all that stuff. Is that weird to say that?

What? Did your 40 years old? Not yet, dude, it's coming up. It's coming. I'm just wondering. But anyway, I'm getting there. So it was for a million dollar policy, it was $97 a month, and for $500,000 a policy, it was $51 a month.

Now, are you, are you, and it was 30 years. So yeah, okay, that's what I ran to. 30 year company. I put you down as elite preferred. Elite because other companies do have good ratings for good health. You really think he's elite?

I don't see. I hope so. I look elite. Southings think he's elite? For sure. I hope so. I hope so. I look elite. I don't know, dude. So the numbers I got, this is just one company that I work with. It's a good company.

$131 for $1 million. Whoa, that's a huge difference. And in $71 a month for the half million. Health IQ is 97 versus 130 something. So here's a deal. That's a big difference. Health IQ is able to go out to all types of different companies and get these best rates.

So I work with just a handful of companies and they're obviously not as competitive with their term life insurance. Well, I'm sure glad I didn't get insured with you, Doug. I really, you're pretty lucky, you didn't. I'm sure glad I didn't get insured with you, Doug. I really, you're pretty lucky. You didn't. I'm sure glad I didn't fucking get insured with you. It's continued.

You have a day job. Yeah. I do. Anyway. So now, are you, are you on the fence on how much you want to do? Because I'm, here's the thing. I already have life insurance. I know, I know Rachel's pressing me, Katrina's pressing me here to do this thing.

And I don't know how much money I want to leave for them. I don't want them to be really motivated for me to die. For you to die? Yeah. Yeah, nobody can replace you, bro. Like, I want a man of money. I wanna leave him. I want to leave him.

That's like two million, bro. I want to leave him. I want to leave him just the right amount of money that they don't get fucked. You know, all my shit's covered and then I don't leave him any dead or anything crazy like that and they're okay. But not so much that they're like, hmm.

I think you wanna leave him. So statistically speaking, when a person dies, the primary caregiver dies, the family, I think the statistic is something like 78% of the time falls into poverty. So it really? It's huge. That happened in my family.

That is big. Yeah. It's terrible statistics. And I mean, the cost to my family. That is big. Yeah, it's terrible statistics. And I mean, the cost of all of that, the grief, and then trying to get back on your feet. I mean, especially if you have a family, if you don't have life insurance, because it's not expensive.

I looked at, I'm almost 40. I looked at half a minute, 500 grand, 50 something bucks a month, that's nothing. No, no, you're right. And Doug, how does it work? So let's say my real dad had done a life insurance policy and when he died, would my mom had got all the money right away or would it get dripped over years?

You can choose, actually, as the policy owner, you can choose how it's distributed. Most people just do a lump sum. So if you have a million dollar policy, and your dad had passed away, and he had that policy, you would have gotten a lump sum of a million dollars. And is it tax-free?

And it's tax-free. Oh, okay. So you get the full one million. You get the full one million. There's no taxes on that. Oh, imagine if they tax that. Oh, that's, yeah, that'd be so- I'm surprised they don't.

I'm surprised they don't. I'm surprised they don't either. Dirty. Yeah, I know. Everyone's dirty. So there was this article that I shared the other day on my story that I'm going to bring up right now because I've read the article now up three times.

That's how awesome this article is. The title of the article is the weird power of the placebo effect explained. I believe it was Jackie that shared this. She's on a winning streak right now. And so you hear that, Enzo? Maybe we need streaks. Maybe what we'll do is we'll do like a little bonus

for the best share. Yeah, who, no, who gets to, like if we share, obviously we like it, right? Because there's a ton on there we don't share. If at the end of the month we'll tally up whose studies and whose things that we shared the most on the show, whoever it is, we'll give them a little cash bonus. So we all know what the placebo effect is, right?

This is where if people believe they're being helped by something, oftentimes they will be helped when they get tested. And this is especially true for pain, psychological disorders, stuff like that, where they'll do a test, they'll give patients a sugar pill, they'll tell them it's an effective drug, and there's for sure a statistic effect that people feel relief, even though there's nothing in the pill. And they're finding, so this first interesting statistic, which is crazy, people are finding now, researchers are finding that the placebo

effect seems to be getting stronger. Stronger. Yeah, so in 1996, on average, about 27% of patients reported pain reduction from a new drug in comparison to a placebo. So about 27% of the time, a new drug did better than placebo. 2013 now it's only 9%. So they're saying that they're thinking that something strange is going on where the placebo response seems to be growing bigger over time. They're trying to figure out what's going on.

Getting closer to it being a hive mind. They don't know. They don't know what's going on. But here's the interesting stuff. So some of the leading researchers on the placebo effect believe it's a family of overlapping psychological phenomena. So I'm going to kind of go over some of the stuff that that they think ends up happening. At least some of the most important stuff. One is called confirmation bias where you're given a treatment that's supposed to help you and you start to change your focus on

what you're what you're paying attention to. So now you start paying closer attention to signs that you're getting better and not really focus on the signs that you're getting worse. So studies show that that actually has a powerful effect. There's also expectations and learning. So they've done studies where they'll hook up a study participant to an electric shock machine. And every time they give them a painful shock, they'll flash a red light on a screen.

And for mild shocks, they'll flash a green light. By the end of the experiment, when the participants see the green light, they feel less pain, even when the shocks are increased for the green. So even after time, the green light will flash. They'll get just as powerful a shock as they do with the red, but they still feel it as lower, because the brain is associated the green light

with the lighter shock. And this is saying, hey, we're getting cues from other things on how we should respond to pain. But it gets even crazier. There's also something called pharmacological conditioning, which is kind of interesting, where they'll give people, for several days, they'll give them an actual drug that combats pain or helps with the symptoms of something like Parkinson's disease.

Then what they'll do is they'll, without telling the patient, they'll switch it and give them a placebo. And they'll find that the placebo triggers a similar response in the brain as the real drug Yeah, so all of a sudden they take away the drug and their brain is still getting the same kind of a response which is Fascinating as hell right Extremely fast. Well it reminds me you brought up a study a while back about People that were going under surgery and how they actually did perform a surgery

to remove certain organs, whereas the other patients, they basically, I don't know if they stitched them up, or they went through the entire process of putting them under. It was knee surgery. Knee surgery. Yeah, so what they did is they,

people went in, they had chronic knee pain, they're going in for knee surgery for Neocurgery. Yeah. So what they did is they people went in, they had chronic knee pain, they're going in for knee surgery for arthritis or whatever. The doctor, half of them got the actual surgery, the other half didn't, they just got cut and then stitched back up. Right. But they fully believed that they were... The results were the same.

Exactly the same. The pain relief was the same. I have a story pertaining to that, right? When I got my ACL, MCL, I tore it right and I had surgery for it and After I came out they actually videoed it. So I had I got a DVD to watch it and After I watched it my pain increased by like fucking tenfold dude Yeah, because I watched them going in and like jabbing and cutting and like, and then that saw like, so after that, like my knee hurt so fucking bad. And I swear it's because I've never even shared that. But I was just like, did just came to mind when you're

talking about this, how powerful the brain is, how I came, well, I just came to, of course I was in pain. I wasn't not in pain, but man, after I watched the video, I swear it became 10x after that was just so painful. Absolutely. So check this out though. So a lot of times we think, oh, it's just a psychological phenomena. Although we can't discredit that,

because the psychological phenomenon is just as powerful as the physiological one, if not more powerful, okay, because that's your actual experience. But they did another study in 2012, this one tripped me out, where participants were given a sweet drink along with a pill that contained an immune suppressant drug, okay?

So they're drinking some sweet plus this drug that suppresses the immune system, so they can actually measure what's going on. Without telling them, they then, and they were giving them this drink every day. So without telling them, they switched out the pill and gave them a placebo. Their bodies still showed a decreased immune response. So they had a physiological response to the sweet drink, as if the body associated the taste of sweet with the drug, even though the drug wasn't there, they still had a depressed immune response.

It's programming, right? It's programmed them to think that that was what, every time they took a pill, this is the response that I'm gonna get. Well, what we need to understand, is we're not even really here. Yeah. Wow.

Oh, shit. I'll get too far. Sick, I just had some nice acid, Mike. I'm just worried. Yeah, no. I think what we need to always understand, and I think you start to understand this as a trainer when you work with people for years,

is there's a, there's the physiological response, and then there's your experience of it. Yeah. Your experience of it is just as important, because if you eliminate your experience from what's happening to your body, then it's as if it's not happening. Well, it's tough.

I heard a really good podcast with this integrative specialist. So it's like, it was a medical doctor, but also a functional medicine doctor, practitioner, who was trying to highlight the placebo effect and show how powerful it isn't how science hasn't really specifically, in terms of practices accounted for it as much as they probably could, and incorporated that. In terms of bedside manner, in terms of the type of language that doctors present to patients, because think about that.

Think about the psychology of when you get delivered, you know, a death sentence versus, you know, maybe there's like a fraction of a chance of, you know, of recovery, but that's not high, they wanna be realistic in, there's like a fine line there of like, do you be realistic or do you give them something about, well, like how do you present that to somebody

to make them have that belief where they are going to recover and fight or are they going to be completely squashed in their momentum? Well, it trips me out because the studies will show a physiological response as well. So can you, can how you perceive something or feel you understand something, affect how strong your body becomes, how it fights things off, how it heals?

I mean, all these different things, I think it's brilliant and fascinating. And the thing about Western medicine is it's so focused on the measurable that we know to measure or understand how to measure Which is all the physiological responses like okay? Here's what's happening with chemicals. Here's how it's affecting your your body's physiology Here's the measurable stuff that we forget the experience. Yeah of the problem or whatever and we ignore that part and so We're missing out a huge segment of how you could potentially help someone,

which is why I believe many times other forms of medicine are more effective for, especially for chronic illnesses. Like if you look at Chinese medicine, for example, places in emphasis on that, they do. They'll tell you, you know, you need to think differently, relax, meditate, you know, back in the day, it's funny to Western medicine, what doesn't always like this. Back in the day, they used to prescribe that people would go off to these retreats or go off into the woods, or you know, we recommend lots of fresh air, go, you know, go camping or go, and they used to do this. People would actually go and do this. So I find this stuff fascinating. And it's a trainer, you learn this so much that the person how they perceive things is just as important as actually, you know, what's going on. It reminds me of, you know, ancient times we have your witch doctor,

who actually probably did have some people that, you know, were healed because they, it really infused this belief of them being able to heal based off of whatever this ritual and practice was, but you know, then we figure out what is actually happening and then we get so involved with you know, measurable data and you know, empirical data and now we're realizing we need both of those components. They're both very powerful to that experience. Yeah, one of my, one of my old clients was a surgeon. He's like, it's so, he used the work on children. And then later on, he just did adults. And he's like, the response to surgery

for kids is so different than it is for adults. He's like, I'll operate on the kid. And because the kid doesn't know that they're supposed to be in all this pain or whatever, they'll want to get up and play be in all this pain or whatever, they'll want to get up and play and do all this other stuff, he goes, then I'll have an adult who will be like, you know, can I have a letter so I don't have to go to work for a month and, you know, and they're like, you're gonna be fine like in a week

and I need the strongest pain medicine. The man cold. Yeah. Well, that's a real thing, yeah, it is. I'm so sorry. But I don't want to throw better the bus. Let's not go too far just now. Yeah, all right, sorry. That's actually real thing, yeah. It's not so close. I'm sorry. I don't want to throw a bit of the bus. Let's not go too far just now. Yeah, all right, sorry.

That's actually what happens, right, guys. But anyway, I thought it was fasting. So what they talked about in this article was that the researchers are looking at incorporating the placebo effect in future treatments and how they can use it in a way to help us heal and feel better and get better. Did you guys see the article in Hustle about Facebook investing 300 million in local news?

What? Yeah. What do you mean in local news? The irony of that is like, what's her name? Is it Cheryl Sandberg or the original? Yeah. Yeah. They talked against that for a long time.

So Facebook was like anti-ever being news. They didn't want to for a long time. So Facebook was like anti ever being news. They didn't want to be a news platform. It's a social platform. And so they were really against that. But because of all the shit that's been going on and I think they've been taking, they've been tanking for what the last year or so, I think so.

What are they gonna do? Start posting Facebook news? Well, I don't know. The big news is that they've invested in all these, all these local news companies. And so I don't know if that's, is that they've invested in all these all this local all these local news companies And so I don't know if that's they're gonna make a pivot over into that. So it's a good read. It's in the hustle It was I think yesterday's article. Are they gonna have their own sort of spin on it? Like are they trying to Really make sure it's like all vetted sources and it's not fake or is this more bullshit?

I don't I you know I don't know if it's gonna be something that's If they're if they're making a pivot all the way over to its Facebook announced to invest 300 million in news programs partnerships and content over the next three years So tech business created an algorithmic armageddon for local news outlets Outlets but now Facebook Google and Silicon Valley Savers are paying to keep local news online So wow, yeah, I don't know. I know they have, they have two podcasts. Now I saw that. I did see that. Yeah. I saw that floating around yesterday. Somebody posted that.

Mm hmm. But they did. I forgot what it was. Uh, okay. We're, we're Facebook. Yeah. Like we need some friends. I, I, I, I get, I get the sense that they're kind of scrambling a little bit, you know? Yeah. That's what it seems like to me. For years, Facebook positioned itself as a news agnostic. That was the term that she used, Cheryl Sandberg. Right. Like it's unbiased.

Right. Right. But after investigators expose the role of Facebook fake news in 2016, US presidential election and other global events. Facebook has reluctant. I love how people get so enraged over that. Like as if fake news never played a role in presidential elections.

The forever. What? Yeah. You guys are spreading false information to get someone elected. You're motivated by your own agenda. That's called, that's how they've been doing it forever. They've always done that.

I like the article that Taylor tried to share with us. Oh yeah, yeah. Remote. The second one. Remote workers are outperforming office. He's like, hint. Bro, you just got to raise. You had another one.

He's like, oh, by the way, I'm in Spain now. Yeah. This is why I like to work. He's setting us up, dude. So, and it's all based off of surveys. Like, one survey in here shows that 65% of workers said that remote work would give their productivity a boost. And another 86% said that working alone

allows them to hit maximum productivity. Well, you're gonna ask the workers themselves. That'd be like, let's do a survey with the workers. Hey, if you all, you know, got free food here and more money, do you think that you're, you know, of course. They're gonna say that kind of, all you guys vote on, should you guys get and more money, do you think that you're, of course, they're gonna say that kind of, all you guys vote on, should you guys get a raise? What do you think the outcome's gonna be on that?

What else is in their teamwork? Yeah, we want the company to succeed. Yeah, this one says, 92% of workers say video collaboration improves their teamwork, what's that mean? Just because they're on video. How does that, this is hilarious to me. What do you guys think though?

Do you guys think that working remotely, I think there's enough of an individual variance between all of us, that there is going to be a large portion of people that do very well in a remote setting, get up when you want, work at a cafe at the beach and it can be very productive. And then there's a, I think there's a very large percentage of people that will fuck

off when they do that. And I would be terrible. I think you just need to make sure you have a high standard of like evaluating the productivity. Like if you can do it elsewhere, I, I see no problem. I wouldn't be. I already know. I know me. Like I have, I, I, the environment helps me that like so it's funny because he's

he claims to be distracted by this environment. He comes in here. We're not distracting. You know, he comes in here with his squirrel, his things that he needs to do for the day and claims that, you know, we can be very distracting with all things that we have going on and he's far more productive about that. And I believe so. I mean, he gets a lot of work done when he's not here. Me on the other hand, if I went to a cafe instead of coming in here, I mean, real quick,

I'd be, you know, eating fricking cronuts and coffee and not paying attention, you know what I'm saying? What's a cronut? It's like a croissant had made love to a donut type of thing. What? Yeah, yeah. I was thinking it was like an actual cros nuts.

Yeah. It's like a cheiro type of donut. It's like a delic crow's nuts. It's like a cheiro type. It's like a delicacy. It's like a harder donut. Justin's option is way more paleo. Harvesting it is. But I mean, I think that I think that I know that or at least I don't think I know that like this environment, like being around you guys is motivating.

Like if I'm in here and Justin's on his computer, Sal's writing something, it's motivating for, there's a cronut for you right there. Did I just, I mean, I just made that up. I didn't know if that's like the true definition is a croissant making love to a donut. No, it looks more like a donut that's, it's like a layer. They love to croissant.

Yeah. It does look like that. It does look like that. Okay, thank you. It looks like a French donut. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I'm talking about it. Why, I feel like my analogy was just fine.

Yeah, it's not bad. I think it's, it's, anyone who's envisioning that would envision what a Krona is. Has a Krona been around for a long time or has just never heard of it? It's crazy. Oh, really? Yeah.

I've never heard of that word before. Let's find out when this was invented. It's, sometimes I feel like people are trying to be smart and so they'll take two things that people like. For some like donut and let's smash it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like a bea. That makes sense.

You ever have a bea? It's a burger pizza. I just made that up right now, but see, everybody's excited. It's a bea. It's a bea. It's a terrible idea. You have the bad idea.

Burger pizza? All you know, it's disgusting that it's popular and it has is the people that are making these burgers with donuts on the glaze donuts for buck. That was a thing that actually that, one of my favorite burger places has as an option. You get it like glazed donuts, the buns. And I was like, what?

Have you ever done that? No. Yeah, you have. I wanted to. I did. I did it. You did? One time.

You did really? So I haven't done it. So I'm talking shit about it, I haven't done it. I just feel like that was just a stomach. I am not a fan of combining sweet with savory. I know a lot of people like that, but I'm not like that. I don't like that was just a stomach. I am not a fan of combining sweet with savory. I know a lot of people like that, but I'm not like that. I don't like that. So like when you go to like Chinese restaurants

and it's like sweet and sour pork, I just want, give me some savory pork and I'll save the sweet for something else. I'm not a big, you know, I like to combine those two. I'm with you on that, but then I had a dark chocolate dipped piece of bacon. Ex-tasty. Is it really? It was really good. I thought that was okay. I'm not a big dipped piece of bacon. Ex-dice. Is it really?

It was really good. I thought that was okay. I'm not a big fan of that either. I see my sweet is okay, but there's too much savory. It's like real cooked through. Maybe a bacon's real crispy. Yeah, you don't want to like rubbery in the show. Yeah, I've had one of those.

It's really good. How would you do rubbery with chocolate? It would just be melty. Well inside would be rubbery still. So it'd be hard chocolate and then rubbery bacon. Chewy bacon. Yeah, I like my I asked my bacon to be well Overcooked you guys char you guys char the fuck Yeah, I like I like my to fall apart in my hand. It's so that's too burnt. I like it. No, it's crispy It's fine, but that's too much cancer. I don't like no you think so. I don't like it. I don't like it flimsy

You like it hard. Yeah. In your mouth. Yeah. But the bagel. But anyway, you know, I, I, do think it's a huge individual variance. And I don't think most people will be more productive working away from home. I don't. It's, it's, it's, it requires more self discipline than it's just most people have. I think there's, I think there's people, there's an X amount of people are listening right now that disagree with you and there's X amount of people. But I think more people would don't do better. And I think a lot of these companies

are constantly trying to reorganize and figure out what's the best workflow and stuff for their company. Cause I mean, even Tesla, I remember one of my clients worked there and they had these benches that were really long, because they wanted everybody to have to sit at this really long bench so that way they interact and if they have a question they can like shoot it over to somebody across from them. Do you know when I talked a lot of like CEOs and execs over here they hate like Google and Facebook because like now all these

employees that come on board like they demand like everything. Yes. Yeah. They're like I don't know what the fuck is up with this. These stupid companies just ruined it for all of us because employees just, that culture is. Where's my free smoothie? It's real, it's just permeating this area right now that. It's because it's so competitive, man. When you're trying to compete for,

like where's the talent? Where's the slide in the slushy machine? Yeah, it's like the the fuck, this is work, get your bike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want a bike to ride around? Well, I mean, when you have a competitive market, then the employees are the kings,

and they can demand this kind of shit. And they can, I mean, think about it, if you work at Facebook, if you're like a high performing creative individual in tech, and you're working at Facebook, and I mean, I wonder if your boss is even kind of a little bit like, I don't want to piss them off because he might go to Google. You don't know.

You know what they encourage at Facebook and this is a thing that my niece says is really frustrating is they really are like, it very hands off. They make them work together on stuff. Like so there's instead of having like the chain of command where it's like, okay, this is the VP overseeing all this project and they have final say and word, it doesn't work that way. It's like there's 10 people that collectively have to make sure this project works and there has to be like sign off on everybody.

And she goes, it's really the reason why they've done that is it's created a very positive culture of communication amongst each other and creativity and working with others. The drawback of that, she goes, it can really delay things or... Oh yeah, that's like a cluster of fuck. Yeah, or one person can really fuck it up. For example, in her case,

like because she's dealing with recruiting, you know, there's somebody who she could be really excited about, but all it takes is one person in the chain that go, like, I don't like their face. Yeah, I don't like them, right? Or whatever with that. And they're like, are you kidding me right now? And then because it doesn't work this way

where there's, she's like the final say, or there's a final say that goes, like, nope, too bad we're pushing them through, they all have to come together and figure it out. Huh. And it's fucking one of the headaches sometimes. It sounds kind of like experiment in business. You know what I'm saying?

Because business has been done for so long, a particular way, and it's been a particular way for so long, because it works. Not because people are forcing it. I mean, that's the thing about business. What works is what's gonna stick, because you can have all the great ideas in the world, and think you're gonna run your company great,

and if your company fails, no one's gonna copy you So it'll be interesting to see if that's if they're able to continue doing that I mean it could just be that they're getting away with doing a lot of the stuff because they're just making so much money Right, but as it becomes more and more competitive Is that gonna continue to to succeed because that whole like make decision by committee thing, boy, it can slow shit down. Yeah. And it could really, and sometimes that doesn't work,

sometimes you need to have somebody says, no, this is how we're gonna do it. Well, I come from the camp too, that there's people that were meant to lead, and there's others that were meant to follow. I mean, I really do. I think that, and I think of a vast majority of people were really meant to follow. There's not a lot of, and if you have a bunch of, by nature, yeah, that, and I think of vast majority of people were really meant to follow.

There's not a lot of, and if you have a question. By nature. Yeah. That's what I mean. So you get a group of 10 people that are all working together and you're trying to encourage them all to be leaders and make those decisions. And some people just shouldn't be. When you guys did group projects in school, what was your role in the group project?

Because remember how there was always like, you're the easy to do this. What did you always do? Well, I would always try and help, but it always inevitably be like, okay, just give me the keys. Let me take, I don't know. Unless somebody was a really strong leader and was like, I got this,

and I would just try and help and fuel that. I would inevitably end up taking the project over like halfway through. So you were the kid that did the work all the work. All the work. Yeah, always. I took advantage of the fact that nobody ever wanted to present the project.

Like everybody was always afraid to go to the front of the class. Of course. And talk about the project. So I was always like, oh cool, I'll do a project. Cause then I have to do, I would sit there and be like, okay, well, I'll help you guys, but I'll do the talking. I'll go up and do the talking.

I'll do the problem. See that I'm in perfect. I'll have to hand it it right off to you. Oh, I loved it. Yeah, I would say sometimes I was that guy, but I, even as a young kid, I was always somebody who was really good at like kind of getting everybody together and deciding like who was best at what.

So I kind of led the group of, I would be able to sit in that group if we were all kids and go, hey, Justin's the guy to do the work. And I'd say Justin, you do the work. Hey man, you're good. Yeah. I'm gonna dump it on you. Yeah, but don't worry.

I'm not gonna make you stand up for the class because Sal was great at that. So he's, you know, it sold me on that. Yeah, I tied with it, right? So I was really good at that. Even as it's dodgeable there. It's funny. I mean, my mom's got videos of me with kids like in,

and we're, I mean, shit, we must be five or six years old and, you know, playing. And I'm like organizing how we're playing, you know, like, oh, you go over here and you do this and you go over here and you do that. Just, it was built in me as a, as a young kid. And it's, it, all the way through elementary and junior high and high school, I was kind of always that person in,

in our group. But I'm also somebody too, if I need to step up and be the person, like I could be that guy too, but then I can also take a step back if I recognize someone like you who I go, hey, Sal's better, he's the man to come up here and talk in front of this class. I could do it if everyone's scared, I'll do it,

but it's like, okay, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, I remember this one in particular, it was like a history group project and we were supposed to go up to the front of the class and present. I don't remember exactly what it was. It was this idea or whatever. And so we were, we were one of the last groups to go up and we quickly realized that everything

that we had done was wrong. We had totally misunderstood the project. So everybody was panicking and they're all sitting around like, we're in the back watching these and I'm like, fuck, we didn't do that. We had totally misunderstood the project. So everybody was panicking. And they were all sitting around like, we're in the back watching these and like, fuck, we didn't do that. We did the wrong thing. We didn't do that. You're like, I got this.

Exactly. I liked it. Don't worry guys, I got this. I looked at them and I'm like, I'll take your time. And so I went up there and bullshitted the entire presentation and we got an A and I was like, the hero after the end of it. Yeah. Save us. It was hilarious. Did you the end of it. Yeah. Save us.

It was hilarious. Did you see, I don't know if the episode just went live, I think yesterday, day before about the whole me poo pooing on the Colorado trip. I actually got quite a few people from Colorado that were messaging me about that. About which one? What?

Remember, I just talked about Rachel coming in and talking about the whole Ned thing and us going out to Colorado. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so got you. Oh they're just they're like what the fuck dude. You guys are going to come to Colorado and you turned it down or what? Yeah, I said we'll still make it out. I'm going to head out there. I'm going to go. That's the weirdest thing is I'm such a mountain cholo, you know, never been to Colorado. It's beautiful. I'm going to be I'm going out there this summer for a friend's wedding. So I'll be out there. We're going out to Vail.

Where's Vail? That looks beautiful, man. Is that like a nice ski resort area, man? Is it really? Yeah. So we're going to be out there. It's, I've heard it's gorgeous out there. No, I have, I have friends that move there.

What month are you going to be there? Um, when do we go to June? To the end of June. Okay. Yeah, I heard it's, I heard, I have friends that moved to Colorado from the Bay area and they said it's an amazing place. Yeah, there's a lot of a few people. Oh, that's gorgeous.

Yeah, isn't it? Look at that. That's amazing. You won't be there during the snow, but it'll be still. I mean, you'll be there. It'll be green. It's like that. So it's what's beautiful about Colorado.

It's either beautiful and green or you get the fall gorgeous color or you get snow. It's like, it's always beautiful there. Well, speaking of Ned, one thing that we, and this is just for the audience, because we know this, one thing that we look at, whenever we work with a sponsor, is what kind of return response they get from our listeners. In other words, if we like a product,

this is a huge, this is huge long vetting process that people don't see behind the scenes. If a company, if a company has a product, it was a huge, there's this huge long vetting process that people don't see behind the scenes. If a company, if a company has a product, we usually try it out for months, then we meet with the CEO or the owners or founders. Then if we like everything, Taylor approves, he likes that, whatever, all the branding and imaging and we like the product and a lot of stuff,

then we'll usually sign an agreement with them and it's usually a short one to start with, kind of test things out. And one of the things then we'll usually sign an agreement with them. And it's usually a short one to start with, kind of test things out. And one of the things that we look at is do our listeners not only do they try the product, but then do they return, which means they like it, right? Because we don't want to work with a company that, you know, that we think is great. And we like them, but we notice our customers, or excuse me, our client, our listeners, are not return

customers for them because it tells us this is not a fit and people are liking it like we thought they would. Well, the net return rate is, people have been going back and getting more and more of the hemp oil. No, it's like crazy. Yeah. The response is positive. A lot of positive response. I still haven't tried the really strong one. I want to try the really strong one. Well, all you got to do is, which one do you have the 300, 350? Just take, I know, four drops. Four times a dose and see if you like it.

Yeah, I've done that. That's what I'm saying. I've taken the four time a dose and that puts me in a bed like big time. I have that with the gold juice. Oh, I brought home that gold. I haven't tried the new flavor. I want to try that combo together.

That's like the Rachel had me try on some of that body butter and they got some like skin products. Oh, they do have a hemp oil skin products. You smell like a Christmas tree. That's great. Yeah. It smells good. Well, if anybody could use body butter, I am the ashy as the very buddy. It's a ashy McGee over here. It's a butter ball. It's a butter ball. We got a Rub-in-Dashie butter ball. Well, hemp oil has got a nice fatty acid profile. So it does have good properties for skin and hair and stuff like that.

So hemp shampoo is really good. Hemp oil skin products are really good for the skin of the scene pretty nice. I got to remember to grab an extra bottle for, I was talking to Jordan Harbinger last night, we were going back and forth, and he was telling me that like ever since, because he was a non marijuana guy,

but he was introduced to CBD, and he said it's been like a game changer for me. What is he using up for? He's the gateway. Yeah, we'll get him smoking. Stress and anxiety. Oh, really? Yeah, he was saying he was doing it through it last time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, remember that. You know, and he was asking me like the difference between like the Hint version versus the marijuana version. And I told him the next time he comes in, I said, you know, have sal break down all the whole full spectrum thing for you so you can science the fuck out of it and tell you why you want to take the Ned one.

Yeah, we'll be seeing more of those products on the market. It's exploding right now. Oh, it's everywhere. Yeah, it's starting to explode. It's the thing that annoys me. It's quality though. That's the thing that annoys me is that. Well, just quality.

And the one thing that I don't ever want to claim on this show is that it's like a cure-all for anything. That's what you're hearing a lot, which is not true. Yeah, no, it's not. I mean, it's fascinating because we have so many of the receptors all over our body, so then it does have a lot of applications. So of stress, anxiety, aches, and pains, like, restlessness at night. There's a lot of cool things that, and properties that come from it. It doesn't mean that it's like this magic pill. You know, it's like, come on, dude, it's not like that. The thing that excites me the most about all of this research is just the simple fact

that the endocannabinoid system is so large and covers so much of the body and controls so many different functions, or at least mediates them. It's like a dimming switch between different functions. And why that's fascinating to me is there's a lot of chronic health conditions that we really don't have good medicine for. And because cannabinoids, at least the organic ones, because they have synthetic cannabinoids, which have actually shown to have some, not as safe in terms of, you know,

if you can overdose and stuff, but the organic ones are very safe in terms of, like, you know, being dangerous. Like, it takes an insane amount of THC, for example, to kill someone, like an insane amount of THC, for example, to kill someone. Like an insane amount. It's actually impossible to overdose on THC from organic sources of the plant.

Oh yeah, you'd have to concentrate and distill it and concentrate and distill it and concentrate to the point where it's just absolutely insane. But if you had the actual plant in front of you and someone said, here, try to kill yourself with it, you would, the best, your best bet would be to suffocate yourself with it by putting it over your face or choking on it because you wouldn't be able to die

from eating, from smoking or eating it. Which is cool because what we see was the kind of these dose-dependent effects on things like cancer. So there's a lot of claims online and trust me, I know all of them. I went through this years ago with a family member on how cannabinoids, you know, cannabis can cure cancer. I hate that they say that. But what it is fascinating is that cannabinoids do have this really interesting positive effect on cancer, and it seems

to be dose dependent, which some people, this is anecdote now, but if you go online, you can read all these anecdotes of people who were diagnosed with these different forms of cancers, and then went on really, really powerful cannabis oils, and he had to take high, high doses, not something you would take recreationally, but people were getting better and curing themselves. And the first mainstream researcher that showed that was out of Spain on mice, Dr. Guzman, I believe, was an ethnic studies study was in 1996, I'm not mistaken. And they showed that putting THC or giving rats, high doses of THC with these types of brain tumors, we're surviving much, much longer and some of them are actually getting cured.

So I'm very fast and you just see if cannabinoids become a potential adjuvant therapy with chemo. So you don't have to take as much chemo, but you take all these cannabinoids with it and combine that with fast things because fast things are not the fast thing anyone. So that's what interests me the most. I mean, I know I put my money with it where I'm I'm invested in companies who you know who are doing all this research

So we'll see what happens this Quas brought to you by organify for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organified fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic super foods to help give your health a performance the added edge Tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try or gain a fight totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com That's a large a N I F I dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off that checkout First question is from Johnny Salami 3. Hey Johnny Salami. I'm like cousin of the ocean.

Bag of doughnuts. When you squat, how do you address hip shift or tilt, which seems to be leading to less engagement in one leg and over development in the other? So like an asymmetrical shift. Yeah, so your hips moved in one direction. Everybody's seen those videos online where they'll have a hip shift and then they'll put like a slight wedge under one foot. What?

Yeah, so these are great videos where the person will have a hip shift and they'll identify it's coming from the ankle and then they'll put like a little wedge to make up for it under one of the feet and then the hip shift just disappears, which I think is really fascinating. Although I wouldn't work out that way. No, and I would say that's the most common reason

for a shift is the foot is pronating first. The breakdown is happening nine times out of a 10 is happening in the foot. So if they pronate on the right side, I'm gonna shift to my left, I'm thinking backwards here. I'm gonna shift to my left if I pronate on my right. If I pronate on my right, my foot dips in, that's gonna cause me to shift over to the right. I'm fucking thinking backwards here. Anyways.

We know we were trying to say. Yeah. I'm like, I need to see it, but the breakdown is gonna be in the foot, right? So you're gonna, most of the time, like I don't know if I've ever seen somebody shift like that. Unless you've seen somebody who had some sort of surgery on their knee, their ankle, their foot, their hip on one side, and then the other side's become really dominant. And strong. And so the body naturally shifts to the more dominant side. So that's the time I've seen that is because of a previous injury that they've worked

through. Yeah. Like most clients I've had with that have compensated significantly and made another leg is way more dominant as a result. And so, yeah, having to peel back down and work on the foot and the ankles is really huge. I think it's important to explain that just because you had an injury or you had a surgery on your leg and now it doesn't hurt anymore. We're not talking about that one of the leg hurts.

Right. What we're saying is you at one point had an injury that caused you to move a particular way for long enough to where that is now how you move. So because I've actually done that, we're all like, oh, it's because you're knee surgery, but my knee's fine now. It's like, does it matter if it's fine now?

Right. At one point, it was bad for long enough to where you learn how to move a particular way. And that's just how you move now. The other side overcompensates. Now we gotta change it. To make up for it. And then where you see this exaggerated,

and it's hard to tell maybe for somebody who's just kind of walking, and they've been beyond the injury for months or years, but when you load and you squat, this is where these things start to express themselves as you say, oh wow, now this person all sends shifts. I used to be able to say that to people too. And when I would do an assessment,

it was one of the ways I would blow somebody away is I would see that they were shift. And then I would know, oh, did you have an injury on this side? And they'd be a wizard. Right, and they're like, oh my God, like eight years ago, I had knee surgery, how did you know that? And it's like, well, you know, you can tell that you're more dominant on this side. And they go with it. Right. And they're like, oh my god, like eight years ago, I had knee surgery. How did you know that? And it's like, well, you know, you can tell that you're more dominant on this side when

you squat, your body shifts over to the more dominant, stronger side to carry the load. And you're just, you don't feel it or even notice it normally as a person. Now, it can technically come from anywhere up the body. I mean, you could have shoulder dysfunction. So if you're squatting with a bar and one shoulder doesn't go back as far as the other one. So now the bar is twisted and so then that affects the squat. It can be in your above your hips. It could be in your waist. I used to see this a lot in new mothers, what they would squat. And one hip would be a little higher. And then I asked them, is that the

side that you carry your baby? And they'd be like, oh my god, again, I'd sound like a wizard. How did you know? And I'd be like, well, that side's shorter, and it looks like that's the side that is raising when we're doing the squat. So these are all just, whenever you see a shift, that means just the right and left are not symmetrical. That's all it means.

It doesn't necessarily mean it's the foot, knee, ankle, hip, shoulder, it means it's one of those things, and now you have to look a little deeper. Now, to be quite honest, besides being very specific with your assessment, like I used to do, where I would just get real specific with assessment, one of the easier kind of more, this more of a general way of addressing it,

but it actually is quite effective in a lot of people. Not everybody but a lot of people, is just switching to unilateral exercises for a while. I've done that with so many people, you know how it first started, is when I wasn't able to fix an issue. So I was trying to identify foot, ankle, hip, and let's do this, let's do that.

None of it's working. Fine, we're not gonna do any exercises for the next six weeks with both your legs together. Everything's gonna be split stance lunges, one leg toe touches, those kind of exercises. Then we'd go back to squatting and everything was fixed. It's interesting, what do they call that? It's a contralateral effect where you have shoulder injury and it's affecting across your body to your leg.

It goes to your leg, although it doesn't go to shoulder to love that. It's left shoulder, it's right, you know, leg is affected, you know, on some level. And I've found that to be the case with some clients too. So definitely the unilateral hopes to expose that even further to see where these compensations occur. And I think that's really like, you have to sort of peel down and really like assess where this function,

the source of it is. You can see that what you just talked about, that control lateral effect, very clearly in the most natural, one of the most natural things that humans do, which is walk upright or run. So when you're walking or running, running you can really see it. You'll notice that when your left leg goes forward

to take a step, your right arm goes forward. And when you're stepping forward with your right, then they switch. So it's the opposite side that moves forward from top to bottom. Try running or walking the other way. And then you'll see what's going on. Like try walking where your right leg forward

goes forward and your right arm goes forward. It's very awkward, very strange. And it's just counterbalance. So, yeah, so if I had noticed that that is an issue, like that's something where I'm gonna spend some time and work on some of those like real foundational movements like bird dogs and anything where it's like, I got like cross-sectional firing where, you know,

I'm doing like in beast position and I'm having them sort of doing crawling patterns and things like that too, just to reestablish that firing sequence. So, you know, sometimes that's that could play a factor in the asymmetrical shifting. If there wasn't an injury, I feel, I mean, look to the feet because I feel like that. That's a new thing too that we all kind of really blew us away. Yeah, because that wasn't something I always not automatically looked to. Right, and that's why I'm stressing that right now because that was something that I think I neglected and I would be trying to tease out all the other things and if someone would

be like, no, I never had any injury and then I'd be like, fuck, okay, what's going on here? Why are they so dominant on the side and really ignoring what's going on their feet. So things that I do now is for sure when I do a squat assessment, I'm having someone get barefoot so I can see that. And I do, I watch somebody's gate now where I used to not do that.

And so much, you can see so much in somebody's gate all the way from pay attention to where their hands are positioned, you'll see some people, one side is more internally rotated with their hand or externally rotated, and you'll see them kinda cock to the side so that maybe their low back is tight and short and on one side.

You start to see all these little things start to express themselves when they walk up and down in front of you or squat barefoot, and then just start to address each one of them individually. Now, I'll say this, this is gonna blow some people away. The people who tend to have the worst symmetry are not your everyday out of shape people. Not your athletes.

Athletes. You have an athlete, you train an athlete, anything about it, right? If you play baseball, you always swing from one side, you're throw with one side. There's always one side that you favor. And because you train it so hard that way, you develop these crazy imbalances. I mean, I had this one kid who was an

extraordinary pitcher. I mean, in high school, this kid was throwing just major heat and he ended up going division one baseball in college. But he came into hire me as a trainer and I could not believe the difference between his right and left side. It was like you took two versions of him and sewed them together because he'd never lifted weights, all he done was play baseball and pitched for most of his life. And it was so different.

It's funny they did when they do these archaeological discoveries where they're finding old bones or whatever, they found a bunch of them. I don't remember where they were. I want to say, the grease are Rome. Okay. I was going to say Northern European. It was something like that. And they ended up, and they were able to determine that they were discus throwers. They were Olympic discastroers. Now why? Because the way that the bones were developed on one side of the body and the muscle attachments

were so much stronger looking, because they can actually see on the bone where the muscle attaches, because they were always throwing, you know, with one side. Same thing in the longbow. The longbow ones. They have these twisted spines when they would look at them

where the scapula was much bigger on one side and everything was so different So your body actually starts to do that now. Why is it important to be so balanced if you're the average person like who cares If I'm a little off on the left or right and when I work out, why is that so important that I fix that well, okay aesthetically speaking It's it's aesthetic to be symmetrical. So if you want to look really good speaking, it's aesthetic to be symmetrical. So if you want to look really good, even slight changes in symmetry will reduce

your aesthetic effect. And I know that's important for people because that's why a lot of them work out. But the other one is just injury prevention. You plan on working out for the rest of your life and you plan on moving for the rest of your life. You don't want to have crazy... Oh, just chronic pain too.

Exactly. I mean, if you're not moving symmetrically, which none of us are perfectly symmetrical, right? But the more out, away from that normal you are, the more likely you're gonna have these nagging pains in your joints. And I, you know, shameless plug, but this is what, you know, Maps Prime Pro,

to, in my opinion, everybody who is a personal trainer or anybody who has ever dealt with any sort of achiness or pain and joints should own this program. Because this is it, you would use this as a tool talking about this question, you would go down each major joint in their body, starting with their feet and ankle and address it with all the movements that are in there. Hopefully that fixes this asymmetric shift.

If it doesn't, you start working your way up the kinetic chain, so up the body and going to eight each major joint and in that program, there's several movements and exercises to help support that joint. And you'll know when you hit it, more likely when you get to the right one, they'll feel it, they'll be very disconnected. They won't be able to do the movement very well,

and they'll be like, oh my God, I can't feel that, or what's going on, I can't perform it. It's like, okay, here's where the breakdown probably is. They can't even move their foot properly. And now I know, now I know this is where it's coming from. So talk about a must have program if you're a trainer, or if you're just anybody who's trying to troubleshoot nagging aches and pain in your own body.

Next question is from LITTO Life Podcast. NASM emphasizes the importance of beginning programs with a stabilization phase, progressing through muscular endurance and hypertrophy, and then entering a strength phase. But in many maps programs, you and then entering a strength phase. But in many maps programs, you guys start with a strength phase. I thought this would be a fun conversation because for many years, this is how I trained because I was definitely indoctrined by NSM. I had all their certifications and I was definitely in the core world and like I talked on the other podcast the other day that all my clients were doing balancing stabilization

bullshit for the longest time. Now what I like about this and what I think NASM did good is it is a very methodical smart approach to clients a very safe way to take so on through. I don't think it's the fastest way to progress somebody or for them to build muscle to burn body fat. And so as an experienced trainer now, I look back and go like, okay, how do I, how do I give them the best of both worlds? Right? How do I make sure that I train them safely, intelligently, but then I also give them the best bang for their buck. And I think that that matters a lot when you're teaching a program to a client, especially in our case where we're selling online program

that you're going to take. If we would have started maps with a four to seven week stabilization phase, everybody would be returning the program because they don't see any change in their physique. Well, we do that with the map starter. I mean, any SM is teaching trainers to train beginners, super deconditioned individuals that are just officers coming from a very safe. Yeah, if you're training a beginner, this is exactly how you should train. You start with stabilization so they could stabilize their joints.

Then you move them through building some endurance and building a little bit of muscle. Then you work them through strength. That's exactly how you should train most everyday beginner people. Now, that's how we designed Map Starter. Map Santa Bolic was not designed for an off-the-street total beginner. It just wasn't. Mapps and Obolic was designed for people who have a little bit of lifting experience. Maybe they're not advanced, but they've worked out a little bit and okay, I want to start

working out what should I do. So when you look at like Mapps starter, for example, that's exactly the progression that we follow and the movements follow that. And it's now, again, if you're the average guy or girl who has some experience working out, you wanna build muscle speed up your metabolism, should you go through the NESM protocol? Probably not, you're past the stabilization phase,

you've been lifting weights for a little while, you know what a squat feels like, you know what a deadlift feels like, you've lifted weights before, you know what a deadlift feels like. You've lifted weights before. You can go straight into, you know, the strength stuff. The other thing too is the avatar that I had envisioned with the original maps program was somebody who has done body parts splits and is trying to build muscle and their body's not responding anymore. And they're probably stuck in this eight to 15 rep range and supersets

and stuff like that. The people like to do because they get into pump. I knew if I threw them straight into a strength phase, it would blow them away. I knew that would happen. I knew that, especially for women who oftentimes are scared or deterred from doing the heavy strength stuff. Yeah. And I think to like the podcast itself, we feel like initially we were trying to reach people that were already in the gym, already interested in fitness, have some bit of a foundation established, but now we're trying to introduce them to a sequence that would benefit them the most that they probably were neglecting, which again, like you're saying, the high reps and

you know, the split routines the split routines, these types of things, we're trying to pull people into a direction where if you really want to build that strength that's going to carry you on, this is the way to do it, here's the blueprint. But then, we went through this whole process and realized, oh wow, there's a lot more beginners that actually listened to our show than we anticipated. So we need to come up with structure for that. And so that's where Starter came from. We had to think about that if we were to sort of pluck

and put them in place of like, well, I've never stepped foot in the gym. How do I like coach that? How do I get them to where maps and a bulk makes sense? Yeah, it really depends on who you're talking to. Yeah. And you know, I would say that, I don't know, it's probably about a 50-50 of the people that I train would start probably in something like starter than the other 50% would be in

like an anable program. It's probably a good even split. I used to do this test and that after that after I got out because for a while there I was like pure an SM and I didn't care if I got a fucking advanced athlete you were going through the stabilization. I'm saying I do that too. Right right so I mean I definitely drank the cool aid of an ASM to where I put everybody through that no matter what their level was. But later on I started to to realize that you know people that had a good sense of core posture could balance.

I could move them beyond that sooner or start them some more like an abs and a pulse. I used to have them, you'd be amazed, it's probably about half your people if you're a trainer, that you're a client that can stand on one leg and balance on one leg and then move that foot to the front the side of the back. And I used to do this test. That's the leg that's off the ground. Right, the leg that's off the ground,

so they're balancing on one leg. And I'd say front side back, front side back, and I make them do that 10 times on each side. I'll make them twist going back. Yeah, if you can't go front side back, with balancing on one leg for 10 reps on each side, then that would always be my indication that, okay, I need to spend some time with this person

in a stabilization phase because they can't even hold their posture upright and stabilize and balance on one leg. If you can do that fairly easy as a client, I can probably progress you quicker beyond that and move you into more of a strength type of phase. Now, the other thing too is with NESM, the thing that I didn't like about NESM was they

would take the stabilization, I would think a little too far sometimes. Like here, look, I trained a lot of people in advanced stage at one point. So here are people who are in their 80s, some of them in their early 90s, who are very deconditioned. This is about as dec-conditioned as you're gonna get. They're coming in, they haven't, obviously, they haven't worked out. Their son or daughter usually is the one that gets them the training.

They come into my gym and I'm just gonna have them, I start by doing basic movement. So we're gonna sit on the bench and what I wanna practice with you, Mrs. Johnson, is sitting up tall, okay? And we're gonna hold that the bench, and what I wanna practice with you, Mr. Johnson, is sitting up tall, okay? And we're gonna hold that tall position for 15 seconds, and then you relax. Now, for somebody who's deconditioned, that's an exercise.

And then I would have him do something like, okay, now we're gonna stand up and sit back down. Let's see if you can stand up and sit back down off this bench. Oh, you can't, here, let me put some pads underneath you to elevate you. You know, you get a lot out of just doing basic movements. I think any of them sometimes goes too far.

I've overcomplicated it. I also feel that, you know, the whole single leg balance thing, like after a while, I'm like, like, why don't I just have them in a split stance? Like, that's plenty for them to, you know, try and stabilize, and that's more realistic. That's exactly what I progressed to. Yeah, and it's like, I wanna learn how to ground myself because think about what's more likely, like, during your day.

If it is somebody's decondition and they're just looking to get strong for everyday activities in life in general, they're, I mean, yes, they'll be in split stance positions. For the most part, it'll be bilateral type of movements where it's pretty balanced, but I want them to be strong in those movements. How often are they really like on one leg?

Well, here's, okay, let's break down the whole importance of a stabilization phase. The whole importance of that is to teach someone the ability to activate the core, support their spine and be able to hold them self upright, and in good posture. You could just call it control. Right, right, through these movements. And so, Justin, and I've done some videos on YouTube like this, and I know I've gotten some shit from some of these knuckleheads out there, but this is why I teach all of my

isolation type stuff, or tricep, and and bicep and, you know, shoulder laterals, like things like that, I teach in a split stance. It's already an isolation movement. It's not a big compound lift. I don't need to be both feet planned on the ground and need a lot of strength for that. It's more of an isolation exercise, a pumping type of a movement. So I always found that these are like really good times to challenge the stabilization. Just by throwing in a minute, split stance, all that does is just it forces them to be aware of their posture and their mechanics. It forces them upright. It forces them to draw their transverse abdominis in to kind of support that around the spine. And

I found that I could move them into a strength training type of a program, but just incorporate some of that in there. And I got all the bit of it into a strength training type of a program, but just incorporate some of that in there. And I got all the bit of it. And it also highlights where the compensator, it like exaggerates the compensations because like, yeah, when I go to lift something, I might lean a little heavy to one side or, you know, tip over. And you'll tip over. And so you have to readjust and balance it out.

Yeah. And again, you know, I probably back half of my career, I realized I was just more effective at simplifying things. And the thing that gets me a little irritated with the super, you know, the super technical, you know, scholars with this kind of stuff is that they go too far a little bit. Like, you know, and they don't, they forget the desire goal.

They forget the desire goal. They forget the goal. Again, if I need to train someone to improve the quality of life, now, an NSM may say, okay, we're going to do this balance stuff, and we can show measurable improvements in balance with this exercise where you're standing on a dyna disc and you're balancing. And that's great. I'll take the person and I'll get him stronger at squatting. And they might not test as good as you,

as you're showing with your balance test, but when they go in everyday life, which one's actually gonna prevent them from falling and hurting themselves, which one's gonna give them better quality life? That's gonna make them more resilient. The squat, I mean, it just, it was really funny at how my training progressed.

I started off as a beginner. I got really complicated with my training, and then as I got better, everything became much more simple. It's so I would get people and I'd be like, no, we're not gonna do this weird stuff, and yeah, I can get you good at doing that weird stuff, but I realized that if I just get you stronger overall,

that's gonna give you way more carry over the restaurant. This is why now if I were to get somebody in front of me, the first thing I do is do a squat with them, and maybe 50% or more of the time, they can't or there's a lot of breakdown, and then the entire session is built around that. The entire session is, here's all the reasons why you're not squatting well.

I can see that in your movement, and here's all the things that you need to do to get better at doing that, and that becomes an incredible workout. It's fun, I've talked many times about the physical therapist that worked in my facility that I learned a lot from. Well, there was a lot that I taught her as well. So she was exceptional when it came to correctional exercise.

Obviously, that's her. That's probably the pinnacle, right? Is that that she was a physical therapist who specialized in, you know, like really working with people who have movement pattern issues and stuff. And she would take these clients and she'd get them to a certain point. Like, okay, now they can move their shoulder

in a particular way, now they can walk a particular way. But then she would get stuck in a particular space. And what was funny is there was a period where she went on vacation and she asked me if I could take her clients through some exercises and I said, sure. So she had these clients that were stuck in this like, they still have pain, whatever,

but she's only gotten them so far. I started doing traditional resistance training exercise. She came back from revocation, took them through assessments, and was like, okay, she sat me down, she's like, what did you do? Like, they progressed in two weeks more than I, they now, then they progressed in the previous five months with me, I'm like, I just got them stronger

at basic foundational movements, because they carry over there into real life because I really don't matter how great you test on some complicated tests. That doesn't mean shit unless it applies to everyday life. It's almost like those supplement companies that show that this supplement raises this marker and this is the, okay, how much muscle they build?

Oh, none, good, waste them, waste the money. You know, I'll throw it away. Next question is from C Pierce 85. What does a typical work day look like for you guys from wake up to bed? All the things you talk about, I can't see how you get it all done. We talk about we do a lot of stuff. Oh, no. I think we don't do very much shit. Yeah. I don't. I don't feel like we talk like we do a lot of stuff, right? Do we make a big deal like we do a bunch of shit? Well, my schedule looks different.

Yeah, we all are very different. Yeah, I want to hear it. If my kids are with me or not, then that'll be a little different. But I'll wake up typically at five or five 30. I'll wake up and usually around six, six 30s when I start my workout, I'll do up and usually around 6 6 30s when I start my workout. I'll do my workout, then I'll do about 20 minutes in the sauna

and shower, get the kids lunch ready, whatever, they'll get ready. And while I'm in the sauna, as usually by the way, when I'm doing my reading and my writing, so I love to do that in the sauna. And luckily my phone hasn't gotten fried yet. So we'll see how long that takes. Then I'll get them to school, then we'll come here to Mind Pump. And usually we start out the day here by,

we'll all hang out for about 30 to 40 minutes, and then we'll come into the studio and record a podcast or two. And then if there's other things that we need to do, we'll do together like we did a photo shoot the other day. And then we tend to break off and do our own things. And for me that usually looks like more research and more writing at the moment I'm writing

a lot of blogs for us. If my kids aren't with me it's a little bit more actually a little bit, it's a lot more flexible. I mean I have way more time to do things when my kids are around. And when I get home, that's when I'll do more, I do a lot of reading, but I don't read a lot of books. Most of what I read are articles, and it's probably my ADD coming out, right?

It's articles and studies that I'll tend to read. And now that I've been sharing them on my studies, you get like, that's probably one, maybe one-sixth of the shit that I'll read. I'll share five or six articles, but I'll end up reading a lot more that I don't share on there. So that's a lot of what I get. And it gives me my, for me, it gives me my content for what I like to talk about on

the show, but also it's kind of what interests me. And then, you know, before bed, Jessica and I like to turn the lights down and- We love. Yep. Sweet, very wide. I'll send a video to Adam and he gives me a ranking. Lucky. Yeah. That was a good performance, though.

Yeah. No, six and a half. No, we'll hang out. No, we'll hang out. We'll drink tea or something like that or we'll watch some, you know, show on Netflix. And I'm usually in bed by 9.30, 10 o'clock. Wow. Yeah. I wish I usually in bed by 9.30, 10 o'clock. Wow. Yeah.

I wish I got to bed that early. I get up around 5.30. And then it's either it depends on a Courtney schedule, my schedule, like who gets the kids ready. And like I tend to train. I still train one client on the days that basically are in alternate with me getting the kids ready for school and then, you know, doing the breakfast and getting their clothes and everything else, driving to school, hustle over here.

It takes me about 45 minutes, and so what I'll do then is I'll usually listen to an audio book or a podcast during my commute, which that's been game changer for me, and that's where I get a lot of my content, and it helps to kind of keep me fresh. So I don't really have a whole lot of time to sit and read anything. So the whole audio experience has been humongous for me. But yeah, so I'll train my client sometimes

and she lives in the Saratoga, so then I'll stop there, and then I'll come my client sometimes and she lives in the Saratoga, so then I'll stop there and then I'll come to the studio after that here or I'll just come straight to the studio and At that point, it's I'm basically getting a coffee them then we get to work in and then we start that whole process and then once Once that's done we break off. I'll either have to pick the kids up from their respective activities. Like one of my son, he does this like outdoor activity. I pick him up from there. My other son's like either at my parents or a Taekwondo. And then after that, get everything ready. Start the whole process of getting ready for dinner.

Do all the chores around the house and all that and get caught up. And then I look back at work and then get caught up at work and do things to, you know, try and get things moving forward with right now, trying to reface all the programs and so making sure all the different, you know, people that are involved with that have everything they need. And then around, I wanna say maybe eight, three, put the kids to bed, start that whole process. And then after that, then me and Courtney get to spend some time around like nine o'clock.

And then we maybe spend like an hour, as we pass out on the couch around 10. And then try and drag myself to bed, take the dog out to do his business, get all that, I ended up going to Super on 11.30, I can't get to sleep. Are you kidding me? Yeah.

So you fall asleep on the couch at 10, but then you wake up and go to bed at 11.30 and wake up at 5. Yeah. Oh, you're chronically exhausted. Like all the time. Yeah, dude, you need to get to bed. I know.

Make it big deal about it. I've been trying. It'll change your life. I've been trying. It'll change your life. I've been trying. So, yeah. No one will be drinking 45 coffees a day. Now you see the madness. When you work out, what time do you work out?

Oh yeah, just forgot about that. So I work out when I get right home. That's it. If I don't do it, right, when I get home, doesn't happen. Oh, right. And, yeah. A certain time I have to. Yeah, so it's like consistently, it's been like three times a week.

Sometimes I'll do four, or if I'm lucky, and I'm like, oh, I'm on a streak. Mm-hmm. But when I drop down to one to two, I'm like, I feel like shit, and the whole rest of my focus is just, oh, I gotta get back in. Yeah, sleep was a game changer for me, man. If I don't do that, I'm a different person.

I used to do that. I used to go to bed late and wake up early, but I make it a priority, like I am in bed. The irony of that is that you're probably the most disorganized at all of us, but you're really regimented about your schedule. That you never noticed that about him? Yeah, that is interesting.

Yeah, you're fucking so disorganized about everything. It's the only way when it comes to you're eating, you're training, you're sure I have the storm. It is. That's it. Because that's if I don't at least organize that, then it's a it's a mess. It's an absolute mess. And I have to do that. If you'll notice something about me also, I am extremely regimented with with certain parts of my life. For example, you'll always notice that I'll always put my keys in my wallet or my phone or my bag in always the exact same places.

I always notice that. I'm not a fan of that, too. Otherwise, you'll have to do that. I'm very regimented about certain things. My shoes have to be in a certain way. Like I said, I'm one step away from being that weirdo who wears the same clothes and has the same shit and the same...

Yeah. Yeah. I kind of get it now. It's scary. It is. It's scary. who wears the same clothes and has the same shit and the same... Yeah, yeah. I kind of get it now, it's scary. It is. It's scary. Yeah, that's funny. So, I only won maybe two days a week in my F at five, so I train, I always keep like one client, so I have like two or three clients that I've known for a really long time, and

I typically train one day a week that one of those clients, maybe two times, I'll get up at five. The rest time I don't get up till about seven o'clock, which is pretty nice. I get up the days. I love those days. Yeah, that's most of my days. So most of my days, I'm not up till about seven o'clock and I actually normally wake up without an alarm.

And I get up at seven. First thing I do is shower, brush my teeth. I'm a shower fanatic, so I got a shower two to three times a day every day. So I cannot go to work without being a shower. I know some people can do that. Katrina can do that sometimes. I don't know how the fuck she does that.

I do that. Do you do that too? You're a non-shower and you want to get up and go. I can't throw her under the bus round. Yeah. It's Katrina likes to not shower around me bus round. Yeah. It's just, it's really likes the not shower round. Yeah. But so after that, I come downstairs.

If I don't fast, I'll have a breakfast this morning. She actually had French toast left for me. That was a nice treat. I don't normally get that. And I'll have a cup of coffee while I'm sitting there eating. And now this time is when I'm normally opening up my Instagram DMs and trying to get back to as many of them as I can, I'm opening my emails, I'm having my cup of coffee, I'm kind of sitting at the counter. After that, I'll walk the boys. So I take them for a nice little walk so

they can go to the restroom and stuff. And then I clean the house, whatever if there is any dishes or dish that's left out from the night And then I clean the house, whatever if there is any dishes or dish that's left out from the night before, that I just ate on, and normally clean that all up so the kitchen and living room, dining room, and our bedroom, I make the bed and make sure there's no laundry anywhere. So make sure the house is all nice and clean.

And then I head off to work when I get here. Like you guys said, we probably the first half hour so it's just kind of us connecting and, you know, sometimes sharing studies or articles that we read or, oh, did you guys see this or bullshitting about stuff that we can't put on the podcast? And then then we get in here and we podcast. And it's typically one podcast. Sometimes it's two depending on if we need to get ahead on something because we got a project coming up like we have this week. So like a day today. We may do two episodes and then after that

This is when I normally start to meet with everybody on our team If I'm not Meeting with Doug that I'm meeting with Taylor if I'm not meeting with Taylor I'm meeting with Eli if I'm not meeting with Eli. I'm meeting with Brianna If I'm not talking to Brianna. I'm talking to Cassie if I'm not talking to Brianna, I'm talking to Cassie, if I'm not talking to Cassie, I'm talking to Casey or Brett. And if not, and on a crazy day, I'm talking to all of them. And they're all responsible for customer service, advertising, or schedule, the marketing and Facebook advertising on the backside,

you know, the creative side with the video and the YouTube and design. And so I'm always communicating with them, just kind of making sure that they're all on the same page as the four of us owners are and moving the ship in the right direction. And so I spend a lot of time doing that. After that, I normally get my workout in. So I gotta workout somewhere between one and four o'clock.

That's my sweet spot. If I don't make it in that time, I won't be working out that day. That's, I just, where I'm at in my life right now, I'm not obviously competing. If I was competing, I would find a way always. Like right now, I'm in this, if I work out, I work out. You know, and I'm probably landing somewhere

between just what Justin said to, I'm two between two and four times a week right now. And then I'm trying, I'm actually lifting right now to, uh, make sure that I can handle the snowboarding. So that's my priorities right now is to ride a lot during the winter. So most of my training is centered around, you know, that and making sure that I'm in good enough condition to hang with the young whipper snapper like Taylor. And after that, I'll, I'll come home.

I normally beat Katrina home. When I get home, I walk the boys again. And if I hadn't finished up straightening up the house, I will sit down and normally get back onto DMs or emails or continuing on those conversations with people on the team. And then by the time Katrina gets home, we normally have dinner together, and depending on what kick

we're on, we are right now we're on like TV series. Like so I'm watching TV right now, which is, it's refreshing because we came off of a long kick for a while there where we were reading a book, or listening to a book together almost every single night. And so right now we're in the entertainment phase of our life. And I kind of weave in and out of that. Like, I'm not somebody who's like, you know, we have to do this all the time.

Like we were on a kick, it was a goal of ours last year that we, you know, read a book every single month together and then on our own. And so almost every night we were reading together. She actually just brought it up in conversation two nights ago about, hey, we should read a book. It's been a while since we've read a book together, but we've been on this Netflix series kick for a while, and Amazon Prime stuff, which you hear me sharing about. And then after we watch a show, it's normally, you know, eight or nine, and I'm watching a lot of sports right now. I watch every single warrior game. So I'm probably watching basketball two or three

nights out of the week, and I like to sports bet. So I'm probably watching basketball two or three nights out of the week and I like to sports bet. So I'm betting on the games. And then after that, it's normally like nine o'clock or so. And Katrina is normally fading about that time because she gets up earlier than me. And I might stay up a little bit later and play hard on my phone or do something like that until I start to fade. I'm like, Justin, no, I don't probably fall asleep until 11 o'clock or so, but then I'm not getting up till seven, so I'm okay. Yeah, when you ask, when you talk to people

who don't have kids and you hear them talk about like what they do at night, so they're like, oh, we get home, we decide, you wanna watch a movie? I don't know, you wanna go eat this, lay it or whatever, it's interesting to hear that. I have both now because I have my kids half time. So it's a very different feeling.

Like when I have my kids, it's hard for you to transition back and forth, or is that so? It was, for a while, it was strange. Like I'd miss them like crazy when they were gone at first and then when they were coming back, I'd get anxious because I had to do all the stuff. Now it's easy because it happened,

you know, we do it every week, but it's very different. It's such a different vibe. Like when the kids are there, it's like, there's shit to do all the time. When they're not there, I find things to do if that makes any sense. So it's interesting.

Next question is from Coach Rebel. Who were your greatest mentors? Hmm. Besides my parents, I was gonna say my dad. Yeah, my parents, or of course, my first mentors, the things I learned most from my parents, I was gonna say my dad. Yeah, my parents or of course my first mentors, the things I learned most from my parents I would say were honesty, both my parents have an incredible amount of integrity.

I mean, I remember my mom, she couldn't lie to anybody, which I thought was, you know, even white lies, it was pretty funny, she'd have a tough time with that. But after that, when I got into working in this industry, my very first mentor, who became, later on became a good friend of mine, and at one point was my business partner, was my friend, Don Cardona.

He was my general manager when I was, I wanna say, I was 18 years old, and so he was 24. And at the time, he was the youngest general manager in the company. And so we were kind of, we were both two young kids, but between 18 year old, the 24 year old is like an old wise man or whatever. And he taught me quite a bit. He taught me sales and communication skills. He was an incredible speaker. People definitely followed him. He cared a lot about his staff,

but he also demanded a lot out of his staff. And that's how I learned my original style of leading. And so he was kind of my first big mentor, I would say, that really influenced me. Then I worked for some other individuals that I learned quite a bit from. You guys know who Dean Pappis was, right? I worked under him for a while.

And he had a very different style. He wasn't as, I love Dean. He wasn't as nearly as aggressive as Don was. He was much more calm with his approach, much more systematic, I would say. And so I learned a lot from that as well, and that really developed me later on. And then later on when I had my own facility, I was 22, I had a lot of these really smart, brilliant clients that without realizing it, became mentors to me. Some of them taught me how to be a better, a good father, a better business person, just a better person in general. I was mentored quite a bit by some of my

staff that I worked with, just learning. And the thing about this, it's interesting about this question is, I think when people think of a mentor, they think of the traditional, you know, student mentor, like this is my teacher, I'm the student. And I just learn everything I can from them and they teach me everything. And you know, it mentorship I learned later on, really isn't like that. It's really about learning, I can be mentored by someone on an aspect of my life. And then the rest of them,

they're not really my mentor. Right, right, yeah. You know, they can be an exceptional writer, for example. They could have terrible everything else, but the way they write is exceptional. And so they become my mentor without realizing it. And I think that this is, God, there's so many people you can learn from around you.

Once you really kind of open your eyes and allow yourself to kind of let your ego suppress a little bit, because I think it's sometimes it's hard to allow yourself to learn from people, especially if that person doesn't blow you away in other areas. Like if you don't look up to somebody in all areas, it can allow yourself to learn from people, especially if that person doesn't blow you away in other areas. Like if you don't look up to somebody in all areas, it can be hard to learn from them

because you'd be like, well, they have their life messed up. Well, okay, but they may be brilliant at this one thing. Right. So if you really open your eyes to that, you can really start to learn things. And the first way you learn is through imitation. That's at least how I was, especially as a younger guy, I would just copy without realizing it. I would start sounding like someone

and start doing their mannerisms or start copying how they would do certain things. And then it kind of turned into my own thing later on. And it's just, you know, what do they say? Like imitation is a sincerest form of, or the flattery or whatever. And so that's something that I still do to this day.

I'm constantly mentored by the people I work with every single day for different things that they do. And it's just, you have to be humble to do it though. You know, otherwise you'll find yourself thinking that you know everything, which is funny because you don't. Especially the team that we've cultivated here now. Absolutely. I mean, we have a lot of really, really talented people in different aspects of business. So there's a lot of mentorship that I think happens here, you know, I really do. Without it being

like you said, I don't think it's this formal, I'm mentoring you. You're mentoring me. It's that there's something to take away from all that we have a collection of leaders. I really feel like in this, on this team. And so there's something to pick up from all that we have a collection of leaders. I really feel like in this on this team and so there's something to pick up from everybody. And probably more so than any other team that I've been around, I really I think I respect everybody in this room and outside of this room that's connected to us in Mind Pump and I think that there's something to take away and learn from almost all of them. So incredible amount of mentorship happens within this facility. Now, maybe in arguably some of the most in my life, if you compare to, you know, the most impactful people I've had, I'd say early on in my life, it definitely wasn't my parents

and with me. So, that's where we're different. I would say my youth pastor as a kid, I spent a lot of time in his office and talking to him and helping me through a lot of the stuff that I went through as a kid with my family and my dad's death and then the abuse stuff that my mom and my stepfather went through and so you know he definitely helped me through those early years. And I really, I would say my most growth and, and, and where the mentorship really started to kick in for me was not until I got into like my 20s, not until I started working at 24 of fitness. And like Sal's story, I had a very similar situation where I was, you know, 20 years old and my buddy who was

24, I had four years older than me. And he wasn't my buddy at the time, he was the GM, I was the FM, Mark Baker. Probably gave me, and I've talked in this podcast, just recently I shared about a desired outcome. And I've also shared the story of, when he cleaned the desk off and told me that to stop focusing on my weaknesses. Those two things were probably the two most powerful things

ever said to me that led to a lot of my success in my mid to late 20s. And that was the teaching me to fully understand desired outcome. And then the other one was to stop worrying about my weaknesses and to focus on my strengths and to develop those and become great at them. Those two things came from him.

And before that, I just didn't have, I didn't look at things like that. And that completely altered who I would become. So I think I'm forever indebted to him for that mentorship. And we later on became friends. And for many years pushed each other. A lot of like, I feel like the men in this room do now. I think we are constantly, even if we don't realize it, stretching each other and mentoring each other by pushing each other's strengths and learning from each other. So I think now I would argue that, you know,

in the last four years, we've talked about the amount of growth that I've had on many aspects, too, not just business, but in my personal life, my relationships, my communication skills, just everything. I think a lot has come from the group that we have put together here at Mind Pump that you would probably rival any other mentor. And then, without stretching this answer out to four hours, I mean, I had a lot of great, great clients, man. A lot of incredible relationships were built with some really, really intelligent, amazing people.

And if they're listening, the reason why I'm not gonna go through it is this would be forever. But there definitely, if you are a client of mine for longer than six months, you probably played a very big role in developing my character today. And I'm forever grateful and thankful that it's a why I've loved the job so much.

I think that I've gotten so much from it because of that. Yeah, I think for me, it starts with my parents and my dad, and in particular, just in terms of the way that now I sort of have a playbook and a model of how to raise my kids and the integrity and the leadership, you know, that he sort of showed me now has really revealed even more so, and me being a father, and that didn't really resonate

till, you know, the last few years even. So, that started me out early in terms of like my mentality towards things, and that led me into to where I wanted to pursue further. Like find out who I am as an individual and he was very responsible for that and was very supportive and wanted me to go somewhere far and to have sort of that coming of age kind of journey in that that that figuring out who you are going to be as a man and so that was very

impactful for me and then as I got there too, you know, there's been there's been coaches and teachers but I mean my high school football coach was very impactful on me. And he and these were all more from a moral perspective and more from like a respect and like honor and like lots of these like virtues that you know really sort of resonated with me in terms of like how I interact with people and in what I tried to make sure that I uphold to and that was stressed very hard you know through that whole process and also just the teamwork aspect of it and And then even more challenging well I ended up in Chicago My my coach there was it was it was a totally different just the same sort of

It was a totally different, just the same sort of command of respect and leadership and the way he led our team of men was amazing, both spiritually and in terms of getting us to perform and do things on the field, but mainly it was challenging because we suck so bad. We were just, we were just got awful. And I was always used to being on winning team and kicking ass and really having that killer mentality of, I do every last thing it takes to be successful. And that side of me came more from my high school football coach. But then that sort of got challenged and pressed hard

in realizing that it's not always gonna work out that way, which was a really hard lesson for me. I was in a state of nothing but cold stress. Like, you know, I could say that like every factor, like opposing force against me, like being in a new environment have no friends, you know, 30 below, like I kept like adding all these things on trying to feel sorry for myself, not getting the starting spot, like I thought, you know, I'm like, I'm better than all these, you know, no, I wasn't better. There was people better than me now.

And I had to actually put in the extra work just to see playing time. And we still suck, too. And I'm like out on the field. And we're getting slaughtered. And holy shit was a humbling experience. But I felt like that really helped to even build my character further.

And he was an instrumental part of that. And like teaching you how to get through that and whether hardship. And so I think that, but then also to like coming out here, I could totally echo with you guys being a big part of that in terms of like mentoring, terms of like mentoring, communication and mentoring, a lot of different characteristics that I don't have. Like I think that it's important to surround yourself with people that are really, really good at things that maybe you can recognize that are weaknesses of yours. And I think that that's been huge for me too. So I definitely

think that this whole process has been such a growth experiencing experience for me over the last few years has been accelerated just because, you know, I've learned through that experience of stepping out of my comfort zone and being away and figuring out who I was coming back and then pursuing something that I suck at. What? That was huge for me. Yeah, I don't ever pin it to one person. There's so many people involved in that process, mentorship.

I think the key is to, it took me a long time to realize is that mentors are everywhere. If you're just willing to learn from them, they're all over the place in different ways. I think if you walk around not thinking that or thinking that you're not gonna learn and you won't, but if you have that open-minded attitude, you can learn a lot from a lot of different people,

young, and old, people who have more experience than you, who have less experience than you, people who are seemingly not better than you at a lot of things. Oftentimes, there's just something about them that you can, I mean, I still love doing that with clients. I trained someone and I kind of find something that I could learn from them. Made it interesting too, it made it a lot of fun. But I mean it's crazy with just with podcasting, we talk about how this is such a growth, such a medium for growth, or is anybody in this room the same person at all that they were when we first started this show? Not even close. I mean you could listen to each episode

and you'll you'll hear it, you're here to the progression and the change. It's pretty awesome. We do, you know, anywhere between 50 to 70 interviews a year right now. I mean, 50 to seven and the people that we get the opportunity to bring down here and spend time with. I mean, out of those 50 to 70, I would argue 80% of them are fucking brilliant. And they're on right, right? And whatever aspect that they have pursued,

they are very, very intelligent and something to absorb and from them and we have. We get to, not only do we get the couple hours that were on the podcast, but many of those people we forge relationships with afterwards. And I'm in communication with on a regular basis. So it's just, it's amazing. And I really, I had in communication with on a regular basis. So it's just it's amazing the and I really I had this attitude early on and I think it's what really separated me as a trainer is I would look at anybody that was having success

and I didn't have the the same attitude that I thought most of my peers had like most my peers would see like let know, the top guy, he just had a big month, revenue wise and lots of clients. And all the other trainers, they would be in this, we'd all be in like the break room. And most of them are like nitpicking or talking shit. And I just, I didn't think that way. Oh, but he's this or he's just that or not. Right, right. And where I was just like, I was fascinated.

Like, what is he doing that I'm not doing? And I still treat all my relationships in life now. Like, we had a question yesterday that you answer sound. You talked about the people on IG, that all these stupid, insta-famous people that are selling shitty programs. I don't look at it like, like, oh my God, they discussed me or that's so bad,

and they're hurting me. I don't have that attitude. Whether that's true or not, I look at it go like, I'm very fascinated. I'm like, wow, these people that actually don't even have the intelligence to put together a really good program have found a way to make a fuck ton of money and convince all these people to buy their shit.

I'm intrigued by that. I'm interested. I can see them there. People want to listen to them for some reason. Yeah, right. They're listening to them and not me. Why? Like, I want to know that. I want to know where I'm missing because I know that I have more to give them and I don't

have the attitude of fuck them or an attitude towards them. I'm more curious about what it is that makes them tick and what makes them successful. And I think I've always approached everything like that in all my relationships. I don't get inviast or jealous of successful people, even if I don't like them as people. I'm very curious to what it is about them. And then honestly, the more that I'm inclined

to not like them, the more curious that I am. Because I'm like, I don't even like this person. They're fucking doing really well. They must be doing something really right to look past their shitty personality or their shitty programming or whatever it is that they're fucking doing really well. They must be doing something really right to look past their shitty personality or their shitty programming or whatever it is that they have a lot of success. And so I think it's reframing that attitude

that I think a lot of people have, could normally it's driven through our insecurities that cause us to point the finger or say, oh, I can't, you know, I don't wanna learn. I don't like the way they do this part of their life. And so there's nothing for me to take from them like no like they've gotten here and they've made it this far In life and they do it totally different than me. So that take that element out. Yeah, that makes me look at that one I'm interested as fuck now. It is it's it's it's funny. It's like looking at you look at a musician who plays incredible music

But they're a total degenerate in the rest of their life. Does that mean you can't learn how to play music from them? Of course not. Like really hot legs. You just don't want to learn everything from them. And I think that's the thing. People sometimes think of a mentor as someone who is like, you put them on a pedestal and they'll teach you.

Yeah, everything. You know what I mean? Because they're successful at business, you should take family advice from them as well. No, not necessarily. Just look at the part that you want to be mentored by and learn there. So look, if you go to mindpumpfree.com,

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