Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 956: How to Break Food Addiction, Favorite Strongman Lifts, Eating for Your Neurotype & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:36 Yes, let's get him on. We'll ask him if that documentary was an inside job. Then we talked about the facials that we got from Forsecmatic. They have a new product that you can put on your face. You can actually eat it too, which is kind of interesting. I like the lot of money. You show you that it's not toxic.

Starting point is 00:00:51 And they have a serum. I don't know. I think we look, I don't know, good five years younger. What do you think? I mean, it exfoliated me completely. Very nice look. Whatever that means. Forsecmatic is one of our sponsors.

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Starting point is 00:01:27 Then I talked about my son's workouts and how we're trying to take advantage of his testosterone boosting that's happening through this puberty phase. And the gains he's getting right now is pretty funny. It's correct, I mean. Then we talked about YouTube's new stance on borderline content. and Adam told us how

Starting point is 00:01:47 the vegan's channel got kicked off of YouTube. I mean, that guy's a dick, but I don't know if you could be kicked off. It's very interesting. Then we talked about new contact lenses that they're talking about that can magnify, like three times magnification. What? Go gadget eyeballs. Crazy.

Starting point is 00:02:04 And then we went on a tangent, talking about the evolution of humans with technology. Here we go, Bionic penis. Hey. Then I talked about the documentary on prime that is really cool, called Innerworld, Outerworld, and the value of wisdom versus knowledge.

Starting point is 00:02:21 They are two separate things. And that's 47 minutes. And then we get into the fitness stuff. So the first fitness question was, what is our best advice to help break food, addiction? It could be a very hard thing to change, how you eat. It could almost feel like you're addicted to a drug. We give our advice based off of our experience

Starting point is 00:02:40 training people for a long time. Forever. The next question, what do we think about the new diet that has you eat and train according to your neuro type? Is this a new fad? Is there validity or is it just baloney? Great marketing. And the next question, what are some of our favorite

Starting point is 00:03:00 strong man type lifts and what are their value and the final question we get nice and touchy-feely with each other. What are the most- You tickled me. paradigm shattering things we have learned from each other. Also I'd like to remind everybody that you only have 48 hours left. There's two days left, that's it.

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Starting point is 00:04:56 Yeah. Is brilliant on the fire documentary? Think about it. I don't know if it's true though. But it doesn't matter. It's brilliant. It could totally be true. I just see it as like, he would be the guy to hustle, something like that.

Starting point is 00:05:11 And plus, he has access to all this footage, and I'm sure he has rights to this footage. So the incentive is there for him to now put it out there to make money off of it. So the theory is that the main dude, Billy, whatever his name is, what's his name? Yeah, Mick Farlin.

Starting point is 00:05:29 Mick Farlin, yeah. Billy, Mick Farlin, the guy who, I thought he was related to, you know, Seth Nick Farlin from the guy. So it kind of looks like even the smile too. So he, he, the guy who put together the whole fire, you know, music festival on the island that went to shit

Starting point is 00:05:42 and now he's being sued for $100 million Michael to jail or whatever. The theory is that he put this documentary together, that's now going viral, and I could, to make money off of his failure, and you know what, it's a brilliant idea, because you're right, a lot of the footage was on the documentary was from people who filmed

Starting point is 00:06:03 the whole process of the music festival, which he owned. He owned all that, right? Yeah, but I also wonder if then if somebody like Chris Smith, who I think is the name of the guy who directed it or put it together, right? I mean, how smart would that be of him if you knew of the story, knew the guy's gonna get sued for a hundred million dollars and walked up to him, said, hey, I'm gonna pay you a hundred grand for all your footage that you're gonna, you know, I'll tell you another thing that tipped me off to that theory was,

Starting point is 00:06:30 one of the guys like towards the end of the documentary, he gets a call from Billy and he's like, oh yeah, no, I said good things. Yeah, it's a lots of good things about you. But they put it on the documentary, which makes me feel like he inserted that to make himself look like he's still talking to the guys that he have ripped off. So he's kind of in that part. Yeah, partially that, but also that he knows all these people that are

Starting point is 00:06:54 getting interviewed and he's an integral piece to this whole thing. Because think about it, think about how brilliant this would be. You tell everybody, look, they're going to do a documentary about this whole process, just be honest. Just be as honest as possible, and they're gonna put it up there, and watch what happens, and for him, because how do you survive, how does your reputation survive,

Starting point is 00:07:16 something as terrible as that, is that you put it all out there. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Or you call yourself a douche. Yeah. Right. Whoa, that would be brilliant. Aren't we gonna Aren't we gonna have what's his name on the show? Dude, I'm Mark Weinstein. So we were going back and forth on text. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:33 And then I send over. I have Brianna send over all his stuff for flight and everything that that. And he asks, like, you know, do you have an idea what the boys want to talk about this and that and and she and he says that The email says because I really don't feel like Hashing out the fire thing because it was so traumatizing for him to go through and I said to her I said be very direct. That's exactly what I want to bring him on the show for You were just on a documentary right completely, you know, no holds bar talking about it. Right. So she replies and told them exactly what I want on there

Starting point is 00:08:10 or what I want to talk about. And we haven't heard back now. So I'm letting a couple of days go by before I kind of reach out. That just makes my, just makes Justin's conspiracy theory feel more true. Right? Like they're all orchestrated to say specifically

Starting point is 00:08:25 what they need to say for this documentary. It would be brilliant. Like if you fucked up that bad, and this guy's a hustler, right? He's figures out ways to make money. One hire, look at what he did afterwards. I know. With the email list.

Starting point is 00:08:38 Well that was the best though. That's the part that I thought was kind of fishy that you, you'd film that. Yeah, you would film that. would film that like I you know You you just got busted for doing all this stuff Why would you literally show yourself? You know? Doing a Ponzi scheme through somebody else, you know like that's yeah, then again Someone with that massive of an ego does crazy shit like that

Starting point is 00:09:03 Yeah, you know, he's like I'm not going to jail, and he's like, I'm not going to jail. Right. Like his whole thing is I'm not going to jail. Right. And it's almost like he's flaunting it out there. Well, you can get away with this shit. So if you fuck up really bad, the worst thing that happens to you is that people speculate about you and talk about you rather than like we're doing right now.

Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah. Right. Well, no, what I mean, rather than having all the video and stuff out for people to watch for themselves Because people tend to forgive when you come out and say this is what I did and I'm sorry to be a Very interesting. No, I smell I smell a rat. Yeah. Oh, so he was sentenced to six years, huh? Oh, so he gets sentenced, but he's probably gonna go to like club fed or whatever they call it We know what I mean, They send the rich people. Where it's like an open jail with tennis, gym, cocktails.

Starting point is 00:09:49 Yeah, stupid, you know what I mean? Conjugal visits. Gluten free, you know, breakfast. Anyway, dude, did you see, so I did the, you know, we all posted the picture of us getting the four-signatic facials. Which, that was great. That was a great, that was great.

Starting point is 00:10:05 That was fun. That was Rachel's idea, by the way. Can I just say that I think this is a brilliant move by four-sigmatic. Matt that they're getting into skincare, although I think that's cool. They are experts in mushrooms and mushrooms do have some amazing detoxifying properties. It only makes sense that you would, you know, that putting it on your skin would be good. Right. But what I think is brilliant is that they've made

Starting point is 00:10:27 their skincare products that they just put out, that the mask and the serum, edible. Edible. Yeah. Now, brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Does anyone done that? No.

Starting point is 00:10:39 I don't know. Nobody's done that yet. Now, here's why it's brilliant, because people listening right now might be like, why would I want to eat the face mask? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, here's why it's brilliant, because people listening right now might be like, why would I want to eat the face? It's save water. It's like, it's on your face anyway. Eat your friends face.

Starting point is 00:10:52 Eat your friends face. No, it's, it's, it's your friends. Take some bath salts. Eat your friends face. Eat your new hashtag. It's a very forced to do that, so matter of it for more face. We just changed their hashtag.

Starting point is 00:11:01 Eat your friends face. Eat your friends face. Eat your friends face. No, the reason why it's brilliant is because the people need to realize this, what you put on your skin, a lot of which goes in your body. Yeah. And so massive organ. If you can eat something safely, it's more likely to be safe to put on your skin or not

Starting point is 00:11:19 as toxic type food. Right. Because like how many skincare products can you eat without getting sick? Right. You know what I'm saying? It's just like so many chemicals, and your skin's just absorbing all that. Why would you want to do that? Yeah, brilliant, but Jessica likes the serum a lot.

Starting point is 00:11:33 She likes serum oils. Have you guys used, you put stuff on your face? No, so I don't. So I explain the serum to me because I got a chance, obviously we all, you know, there's photos of us using the face mask, but we didn't do the serum. I didn't do the serum. obviously, we all, you know, there's photos of us using the face mask, but we didn't do the serum. I didn't do the serum.

Starting point is 00:11:48 Yeah, we did just read it. I did, yeah. So what is we and all in? Explain the serum to me. It's, it's so, it's like an oil. Yeah, it's an oil with essential oils and other things that four-sigmatic is deemed to be good for your skin.

Starting point is 00:11:59 But what I like about serums versus like lotions is that they seem to make your skin feel more supple. And it gives you a little bit, it's not oily, it sounds like it could be oily, but it's not. It just feels great, yeah, it feels a lot better. Jessica's been on this serum kick now for the last six months. She said it's the best thing, like putting serums all in or better than using lotions

Starting point is 00:12:25 and she likes the four-sigmatic one. So they did a really good job. Anyway, really good job. So this, you know, I've been training my son, right? I gotta tell you this story. Is he been going, is he consistent right now? What's going on? About two days a week.

Starting point is 00:12:37 About two days a week now we're being consistent. And when, and when he does lift, it's all on his own accord. This isn't you prompting him or do you kind of prompt him? He brings it up so he'd be like, hey, I wanna, you know, make sure we get some time does lift, it's all on his own accord. This isn't you prompting him or do you kind of prompt it? He brings it up so he'd be like, hey, I wanna, you know, make sure we get some time to lift, okay, and I'll be like, yeah, absolutely. And then if we can at that moment,

Starting point is 00:12:52 then I'll bring it up later, say, did you still wanna lift? Got it. So yesterday, I took him out to the garage and we worked out. And I forgot, first off, you have, what do they call him, newbie gains, you know, when you first start working out, how fast your strength goes up. Then on top of that, he's a 13 year old boy

Starting point is 00:13:09 and his testosterone levels are ramping up. He's a natural steroids. Yeah, they're just going up, you know what I mean? At a very high level. I forgot how fast you respond at that age, even though I trained a lot of kids, I haven't trained now for a few years. I take him out there to work out

Starting point is 00:13:24 and it's five to 10 pound gain on everything. No matter what we're doing, you could almost do no wrong. It's crazy. It's insane. We're doing bench press, he's doing four more reps than last time. I'm watching his form and his intensity. We're pushing the sled, 30 more pounds on the sled, and he's pushing it faster. Everything is just going up, and it's pretty funny.

Starting point is 00:13:45 Now the irony in that, I think that's also what feeds into the problem because most kids that are getting into lifting weights don't like this, or at least for me, and I don't know if you guys can agree or not, but I had no fucking clue what I was doing. You know, but it was working because the same thing. I was cable curling, you know, on the 50 last week and now I'm on the 60, like you're just,

Starting point is 00:14:10 you're getting stronger. You know, I couldn't but do the bar on the bench press and then I'm putting down your chair. No, you're right. I mean, it's a real formative time of your life. And so it's like, you know, the hard wiring a lot of these patterns is something that's happening and it's like you are responding so quickly

Starting point is 00:14:26 and that this becomes like, you know, the formula from then on. So that's what's really hard about breaking a lot of these patterns within this, you know, time of your life. So it's good that, you know, you're teaching them proper mechanics and really getting things established right away. I'm also teaching them intensity and work ethics.

Starting point is 00:14:43 Like we were out there and he was pushing the sled and I'm like, you know, the last set. So I ramp him up, right? So first set, just the sled and he'll do one lap or it's really slow, full range of motion. Then I'll have him come back much faster because I want to work on his cardio stamina a little bit. And then I'll add weight and I'll do that a few times.

Starting point is 00:15:00 So by the third set I had, how much did I have on the sled? I had the sled plus another 50 plus another 35. So he's pushing it back and about halfway through, he goes, ow, and he kind of stops a little bit and I'm like, what? And he goes, oh, my leg, and I'm like, are you okay? And he goes, yeah, and he keeps pushing it.

Starting point is 00:15:16 So then when we came back, I'm like, did you like twist your leg or something? He goes, no, it just hurts because I'm pushing hard. And I look down like, don't ever say ow again. That's not a ow, yeah. I'm I'm like listen if you're gonna say ow it's because you hurt yourself If you say out because if you feel the pain from working out is it burning? I'm trying to train him you know me like don't ever say that again What's wrong with you? Yeah, so that's funny and then and then while he's doing the workout

Starting point is 00:15:42 I remember this too as a kid because he's's got my jeans, right? So skinny kid. And I remember when I first started working out, the only thing that seemed to grow and I first started working out were my veins. Like I just get vaniere. I don't really get any muscle. So I was doing curls and I'd say like, bates coming out of his four arms

Starting point is 00:15:56 and he got a little vein on his bicep. Pop in his drop. So why he's doing curls? I'm singing curls for the girls, real loud in the whole neighborhood in embarrassing. I mean, like, girls for the girls. He's doing them, he's laughing. Then I pull up his little sleeve and I'm like, you got a were allowed in the whole neighborhood embarrassing I mean I like girls for the girls he's doing them. He's laughing And then I pull up his little sleeve and I'm like you gotta fucking be My gonna be going. Oh, it's going on

Starting point is 00:16:13 It's so fun to do that shit, man. It's it's a blast. That's exciting Yeah, but it is true though. I mean, I really think that because he's young though like you're you're starting him Younger than I think I wonder what the average age is. What do you think the average age that start resistance training? Yeah, 20s probably. I would think so too. And so, and when we're 20, we're at that point where we think we know everything. And so it's a very dangerous time, I think, in your life to be getting involved in resistance training.

Starting point is 00:16:40 And then you get into resistance training, you start listening to some random person that's a celebrity or whatever that or some buff guy at the gym. Yeah, whatever, right? And then you see massive results. And it's like, nobody is telling you otherwise. Nobody's going to come in and say, like, hey, you're going about this all wrong. What you're doing should be done this way. You're not convincing me because I'm 20 and I'm every time I do what, you know, I was, I learned from somebody else. I'm seeing results. Well, it's literally on you.

Starting point is 00:17:09 I think, I'll tell you, I'll say this right now and in this, I'm not saying this to piss people off who didn't start what they were young, but if you're a kid, or if you have kids and you want them to live weights, it's the best time to start lifting weights is right around puberty, because for two different reasons. One, you get this favorable hormonal response during puberty where, especially in boys, antibiotic hormones, they spike,

Starting point is 00:17:34 I mean, they go from, you know, little boy hormone levels to, you know, when my son's 18, you're gonna be, he's gonna be at peak gorilla, you know what I'm saying? It's the testosterone levels will be at the highest if it ever been, and it goes through this really fast ramping up process. I remember when I was 13 or 14, I even got a little bit of gyno from puberty,

Starting point is 00:17:52 obviously all natural. I don't even take hysteros or anything at that age, but I remember getting a little bit of gyno going to the doctor, the doctor, because I got all scared, right? Doctors testing me out and he's like, oh, you're just, sometimes the excess testosterone gets converted to estrogen,

Starting point is 00:18:03 because you have so much. So you get this high testosterone levels, you wanna just sometimes the excess testosterone gets converted to estrogen because you have so much. So you get this high testosterone levels. You want to take advantage of that. Plus, because what's going to happen to a teenage boy, especially, but this happens to girls too, even if they don't work out, their bodies are going to build muscle, even if they don't work out. Even if they're inactive, a 20 year old boy has more muscle, an inactive 20 year old boy has more muscle than he did when he was inactive at 14. You want to take advantage of that momentum and lift weights because we've all talked

Starting point is 00:18:30 about muscle memory in the past, but new studies are coming out showing that they're showing the scientific reason or the physiological reason is to why muscle memory exists in the first place. When your muscles grow, you increase the satellite cells. You increase these nuclei in muscle cells. And as the muscles shrink when you stop working out, the cells don't go away, they're finding. So although you lose the muscle that you might have gained, you have the control mechanisms in place, in essence.

Starting point is 00:19:00 And this is it, I know I'm explaining it terribly, but you have as many nuclei as you had when they were bigger, those don't go away. And that's where the muscles come back faster. So my theory is, if you lift muscle memory, if you lift weights when you're going through puberty, it's a great time because you're more likely to build permanent muscle. You're more likely to do that. It's interesting. I have taken a lot to heart from all these professionals we've brought, especially from like, you know, the sport of science background and this whole TPP concept and like active play.

Starting point is 00:19:33 I had, you know, just intuitively I've been doing that by building like climbing walls and doing all these types of things in my kids like the age stage that they're at. But, you know, I wanted to really dive into that even further. So we got them, you know, even signed up for things like parkour, gymnastics, like as part of like an additional, you know, way for them to express all these different movements and patterns and solidify, you know, their body awareness even further. So yeah, I got this whole weekend, was devoted to tryouts, man. It's like, it's at that time frame

Starting point is 00:20:07 where it's like, okay, you need to try out, like basketball, to baseball, to soccer, to this, to that. So I had like two different tryouts like going on at the same time all day and it's like I'm trying to like work with my kids and like trying to get them all trapped in like, you know, grounders and hitting and this and I'm like, oh my God, I have to literally explain

Starting point is 00:20:27 like every step of the process of the skill of it. And I was like, oh man, I just like, it's interesting to me to see. It's a good bonding time though, isn't it? Oh, it's great. Isn't it great? It's great. And you see it pay off.

Starting point is 00:20:39 Like when something clicks and you see them respond to it and like you actually see that you know once they go to you know hit a ball or whatever. Yeah. Plus studies will show that if a kid is obese or overweight through their teens the odds that they'll remain obese are like insane as an adult. It's like very high odds and I think the same is true if a teen exercises and creates some of these habits with fitness and stuff,

Starting point is 00:21:07 the odds that they'll be fit and healthy as an adult are much higher. So just their formable years. And especially with weight training, because I agree with sports. I think sports is probably the best way to do it, especially with younger kids. But weight training, don't write that off.

Starting point is 00:21:22 If you got a 12, 13, 14 year old kid, do it. Do it. Do it right, have them do good form and all that stuff and good control. But man, have them lift weights because the thing I like about weights is it's so flexible. I can do whatever the fuck I want with them

Starting point is 00:21:39 and I can do all kinds of different movements and individualize it for the kid. I think it's a great form of fun. And the sleds are perfect way to ramp up load without adding all that access, stress before the mechanics are really there. I'm so glad I bought that sled. That was because you recommended it.

Starting point is 00:21:55 And I think because having teaching my son had a squat is gonna take me a while. But pushing a sled much more natural, much more, much easier to get in. And I can ramp the load up with that, whereas with the squat, it's gonna take me a while before we can do any kind of, you know, any kind of load, anything like that.

Starting point is 00:22:11 Anyway, there was an article, did you guys see the article that Enzo shared about YouTube and what they're starting to do? I saw that I didn't read it, what's it about? So great article and it's just a sign of the times. So YouTube is going to start, you know how, okay, so the way it works when you're on, we learn this. If you want your videos to get a lot of traction,

Starting point is 00:22:30 one of the most important factors is if YouTube recommends your video under other videos, right? So like, if there's a fitness channel and they're posting, you know, exercise tips and that fitness channel gets millions of views and then YouTube decides that our content, because we're a fitness channel, is a great recommendation for people looking at that one. We are by just through just automatically going to have a lot of views,

Starting point is 00:22:56 because YouTube is recommending us. There's a lot of stipulations that come with that, though. What do you mean? Well, in order for YouTube, the algorithm for YouTube, do that, you have to do a really good job of the SEO part. Okay. So, you know, just because you're sure there's a lot that goes into it. Yeah. Yeah. That which is in those jobs, you know, this is is to learn that and to get better at that and get better at that. But it's a good point, I think, to make because I see a lot of people that are, you know, trying to launch a YouTube channel or are aspiring to be a YouTuber, right? That's a thing now.

Starting point is 00:23:27 And they just start putting content out and they think that that's going to, like, you're going to grow. It's really, really tough to grow a channel that way. And YouTube is wanting you to put the same kind of detail that like a blogger would put into writing a blog article into your visual YouTube. So, you know, when you look at a good YouTube video and you could use some of our, ours as an example, like some of the recent ones, especially, and you, you hit the drop-down little triangle thing and you can see the notes in there. That's really in order for you to

Starting point is 00:24:04 get recommended on another page. Like that stuff. That's really in order for you to get recommended on another page, like that stuff. That's an important factor. Yes. So that's, but that's a big factor, right? If you get recommended, your odds of having a lot of views are very high or much higher. Well, what YouTube is doing now is you're going to start to really regulate what they consider to be borderline content. So if they think your conspiracy theory, if they think you're promoting things that they don't like, they're gonna stop recommending your videos to other people. So, and this is interesting because,

Starting point is 00:24:36 and a lot of people are getting upset with this, because YouTube now is wielding so much power with information. I mean, they're the second highest search engine that there is, right? If you're besides Google, and in essence, YouTube could really shift what people are watching and learning. So now they're like, hey, listen, if we can, I think people have a problem with this because it's because it's a little bit vague, you know what I mean? So it's kind of up to their discretion. Right. But it's

Starting point is 00:25:10 interesting. This is the sign of the time. Well, I'm glad you brought this up. This has actually been on my mind. Yesterday, um, vegan, yesterday or the day before yesterday, I think it was, uh, vegan gains got pulled off. And I don't know if you guys know who that is. We've mentioned him on the show before. He's a guy that likes to like talk shit about like carnivore diet and people we meet and- Right, right. Super aggressive. He's just one of those nerdy kids

Starting point is 00:25:33 that sits behind a computer all day and reads articles and is really book smart. And he puts out some decent content, but he does it in a way. I think that is unattractive for a lot of people. Just the way he does it and the way he attacks a lot of people. So I've never been a fan of his channel and I don't care for him. But they totally pulled him.

Starting point is 00:25:56 They pulled him completely off. And he's a decent sized channel, didn't he? Very huge. You know, huge channel. Was it a recent video he did or was it like past ones? No, it was passed in fact He uploaded a video today In response to getting pulled out now he uploaded it on another channel

Starting point is 00:26:13 I don't know whose channel he used to upload it, but there's a video of him Talking about how YouTube decides if you get pulled off and they have this kind of flagging thing It's like three strikes in your out. So they do give warnings for if you're breaking, you know, their file, but he goes into really, it's a good video for someone who's trying to like figure out like how that all works. I think he goes into really good detail of how they decide and he is making a case that it's just not fair. It's not fair because he's got a video four years old that someone decided to flag two weeks ago

Starting point is 00:26:46 for the content. And you know what? Here's why that's a good point that he's making, especially today, what is considered abrasive? Change is so fast. That, you know, 10 years ago, if you could say a word, or you could call someone something, nobody cares. 10 years later,

Starting point is 00:27:05 all of a sudden it's a trigger word and it's super offensive and will they then go back? I mean, are they gonna consider things in context? Well, so, see what I'm saying? Here's why I'm glad you brought this up because I've been wrestling with this personally on, how do I feel about you to having this power and can pull people off and is it fair?

Starting point is 00:27:26 Is it not fair? We have a business that's around content like this and My initial feelings were it's bullshit and it's not fair and It's a scary thought that this company can have all this control and potentially kind of direct whatever narrative that they want And so I was kind of direct whatever narrative that they want. And so I was kind of anti it, but then now I'm on the other side of that right now, or maybe leaning more towards the other side. And now I'm thinking, okay, well, first of all, it's in YouTube's best interest to have people like this guy on there.

Starting point is 00:27:57 They're he's getting millions of views, he's driving traffic to their platform. They don't want to kick this guy off. I mean, they're not, they're not going to kick this guy off. I mean, they're not gonna kick people off that have massive followings just for a narrative. They want those that traction and that would be terrible business for them to force a guy like that who's got potentially hundreds of thousands of people

Starting point is 00:28:20 that he could go take to another platform. Yeah, but maybe they're looking at the long game. Or they're trying to be mainstream. Or maybe not. Or maybe they're a privately owned company, okay? Or a company that has the power. It's a privilege for us to be on their platform, of course. And so I've tried to think of it like, what if YouTube was my platform?

Starting point is 00:28:40 What if I owned it? And I was the brilliant mind that created it. And it blew, it started one day in my basement It's just an idea and then it grew it blew into this Number one search engine that everybody is using and it's generating millions and millions of dollars for Hundreds of thousands of people all over the world and it's now gotten to the point where it's getting almost out of control and there's Races stuff on there and there's a lot of really bad stuff and it's mine. It's just mine. I own it.

Starting point is 00:29:10 What do I do about it? And what I create standards that align with me and what I feel I think is right or wrong. And which is okay. So that brings me to where I think the inconsistencies are that they don't want to clearly define it so people can know what those parameters are. That's the problem. It's not clear and so they keep like a pulling people and what their definitions are change constantly. Dude, look, look, I can find videos on YouTube right now with ISIS and crazy shit, people saying stuff, and they're still up. Now, here's a thing, I'm with find videos on YouTube right now with ISIS and crazy shit, people saying stuff,

Starting point is 00:29:45 and they're still up. Now here's a thing, I'm with you Adam, they're an organization, you're on there voluntarily, they could kick where the fuck they want off. Right. I don't think there should be any laws against it for sure. They have every single right to have whoever they want on their channel and whoever they don't want off their channel, That's totally within their right. And we have every right to say it's fair or not fair

Starting point is 00:30:09 and go somewhere else or take our customers up. Look what happened to Patreon with Jordan Peterson, Rubin, Sam Harris and some other big guys. They left because of the vagueness of their new policy. And this is kind of vague what YouTube is saying is kind of a, YouTube is saying is kind of a, like what is considered a conspiracy? But here's the thing too, like it's still all in all in its infancy.

Starting point is 00:30:32 I mean, just 10 years ago, nobody was posting ISIS stuff. There wasn't any crazy crazy stuff. I don't even think there was YouTube, was it? Right, right, that's my point. Is that this is all kind of happening so fast right now. And if you're a company like them and you you want to be very careful and laying the law down, you can't say this, you can't say that being very specific. And so you put out general vague rules and then you try and do your best to police it as you can. Now remember too, that like when you make

Starting point is 00:31:02 a comment of like, you know, there's there's ISIS videos out there, but then there's like a, you know, what's his face who does the conspiracies who got pulled off, right? How's he getting pulled off? But then there's somebody who's murdering or doing some good. Well, it's an algorithm that they're building. It's a bot that's picking this up. It's not like a little guy in a room who's like watching all these videos. Well, it's impossible. Yeah, but they're creating an algorithm to pick up certain things. Not quite. Yes. True. It's both, but they're creating an algorithm to pick up certain things. Not quite, yes, true. That's both, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:27 It is both because then people will write in, say, hey, what's going on? No, we're not gonna put you on. Hey, what about these channels? We're not gonna care about those. It's just vague. I don't think they're doing it, bro, because they're trying their best.

Starting point is 00:31:39 You wanna know why they're vague to protect themselves. That's what it is. Yes, because if they're specific and you don't break those specific rules, then they can sue you. And they can sue you back. Well, they want to keep it so many. And that's okay.

Starting point is 00:31:49 That's so much. And so I would too. If it's my company, I would, I care about myself first if it's my company. That's perfect. My company, I'm going to protect me and my organization first that I fucking built from the ground up. So I am going to put vague things out there so that you can't turn me turn around and Sue me because I pull you off look that might be a very smart strategy when you think about look

Starting point is 00:32:10 Let me tell you something. Okay. It would have been conspiracy theory Not that long ago to say that the US government was injecting You know a black prisoners with syphilis it would have been conspiracy theory to say that we were experimenting on people with LSD. It would have been experimented. It would have been a conspiracy theory to say that the Gulf and Tonkin incident that was widely believed have started or pushed us into the Vietnam War was manufactured and actually not quite true. All of these things would have been conspiracy theory. So that's why people have a problem with the vagueness

Starting point is 00:32:47 because who determines what's a conspiracy theory? And what's conspiracy theory today, many times turns out to be, not always, obviously, most of the time it's not, but many times comes out true. And to the counter to that too, though, you see, I see it within my circle of friends that get misinformation from YouTube,

Starting point is 00:33:05 constantly because of how the depth a lot of these people go to sway with manipulation, with the way the theatrical way that they display this information, it solidifies in people. People do believe there's a flotter. Here's a thing though, we live in such a litigious world right now that if I had, and let's take it away from YouTube and just think of like a gym. Like we were so comfortable and used to, we've been around our whole lives.

Starting point is 00:33:36 And we built the Mind Pump gym and it's 100,000 square feet, it's massive, we got tens of thousand people coming through it. And we live in this time, we live in right now. And we got a lot of shit that's going on in it that we don't fucking like. But we're all very smart men. We sit down and we go, listen, we can't necessarily say that you,

Starting point is 00:33:55 we can't be very specific on what you have to wear or what you can't wear. But we also don't want it to be okay for someone to come in here and their dick be hanging around and flop around. We want to be able to tell that person that here and their dick be hanging around and flop around. We want to be able to tell that person that's not a problem. So how the fuck do we put that in legal terms to cover our ass.

Starting point is 00:34:10 So we have the authority because it's our fucking business to throw their ass out on the street. But then at the same time too, we got to be very careful not to ostracize some people. So that's a very tough place to be. I need you have to understand that that's where YouTube is at. I agree with you to a large extent. Again, I think it's all well within the rights, but I think the criticisms are,

Starting point is 00:34:32 I think there's a lot of justifications in the criticism. I don't think there's a big... I agree. I agree. I agree. I don't disagree with you there. I think that the criticisms are fine and fair, and I think that's all part of the process.

Starting point is 00:34:43 Just like again, going back to the analogy if this was our business and we first draw up this outline of what we are expectations or what we want to protect ourselves and to be able to. I'll give you a conspiracy theory. Here's Mike and conspiracy theory. Why do you even want to conspiracy theory? Because that's not really the main thing that they go after. They're going after more racist, violent, like, that's been a series of limiting. Yeah, no, they've said that forever. You couldn't put racist and violent, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, We didn't hear any of this shit until the last election. The last election, a lot of people got pissed off and said one of the reasons why Trump got elected was because of quote unquote, the social media platforms and fake news

Starting point is 00:35:33 circulating that got them elected. I personally think that there's been a lot of pressure on these platforms for a while, and not just because of the last election, but before that, this last election really pushed it forward for them to fucking be careful what they do, because if you're not, then some shit's gonna happen, you guys,

Starting point is 00:35:49 in the future. That would be interesting. Watch what happens in the next election and how monitored like Instagram's gonna be, YouTube's gonna be, Facebook's gonna be, I guarantee anybody starts like putting stuff out there, like they're gonna pull them off the platform. It's weird

Starting point is 00:36:05 It's weird that this is all happening now. Although this could be a you know, just a part of the evolution of all of it I mean look here's a bottom line and this is the truth here if you have these huge platforms like YouTube Let's say YouTube tomorrow says that's it No more conspiracy videos on flat earth. Okay. we're not gonna allow those anymore in our channel. Do you know what'll happen to the movement behind the flat earth? You know what'll happen with that whole conspiracy? No, I'll grow. It'll fucking grow.

Starting point is 00:36:32 It's funny because when you're dealing with conspiracy theories, the more they get acknowledged and more pushback, the stronger they get. Right, that's the thing. It's like you're feeding it fuel because now you're oh well that's damaging why is that damaging yeah what do you have to hide that's like what the conspiracy theorists think it's like oh it has more value because they don't want it so it's gonna be funny it's gonna be funny so I mean what is the answer is the answer to completely let everything be

Starting point is 00:37:00 on there and be okay with it no they got to do what's best for their business right that's how they got it and that's how I feel so that's where my my stance is with it. No, they got to do what's best for their business. Right, that's how they got it right. And that's how I feel. So that's where my stance is on it. It's not, it's not clear cut, dude. They're going mainstream. Look at YouTube's audience has changed dramatically over the last few years. It used to be a bunch of, you know, men,

Starting point is 00:37:17 you know, teen men to 30s. Now you have kids on, the kids channels are getting tens of millions and hundreds of millions of views, you have, see, they're mainstream. And that's where I'm like, I am rallying to regulate. Because you get a kid on there who's watching some, you know, kid channel and like getting kid stuff and advertisement, whatever.

Starting point is 00:37:39 And then you get some fucking creep in a costume, jerking off or whatever, it just goes down this crazy road of like, what, how did, so they have to be adamant about people like that and underlying tones of pedophilia and all those types of things. The market will dictate it. Didn't we read, didn't one of you bring up an article

Starting point is 00:37:59 of another platform or an option for that that was safer to protect kids that are watching it. I was like kids you're trying to create one. Yeah. No, I think they have it. Oh, the kids version. Yeah. Yeah. It's my daughter. That's what I let her watch a little watch the kids version. So it's kind of regulated for for kids or whatever. There was a kid advertising platform that they're trying to create. Did you see what Taylor posted? I think yesterday in his story about ad spend being shifted over into children? And you see that even with large companies, I think it was a Louis Vuitton,

Starting point is 00:38:34 yeah, advertisement towards, towards, yeah, towards kids. Well, it's an interesting, the way the market's changing, who was it? The Huffington Post and a bunch of other news organizations laid off like a thousand journalists the other day because the way that money's being spent like Facebook and these other social media platforms, they're the ones getting the ad spans and all these other companies they're not able to

Starting point is 00:38:59 and you know what's gonna happen? Mark my word, you're gonna see more and more crazy and fake kind of news being put out by these organizations because they're fighting now for more clicks. They're fighting for more views. So it's gonna get much more polarizing before they die. It's like the last, like, they're dying so like the last breath trying to go stay alive.

Starting point is 00:39:17 It is, it's gross. Well, a little shift, I mean, since we're talking like crazy talk. You think they're gonna go fired up. Right. I read this article, someone shared it with me in my DM, the other day I love when people share cool stuff like this. And it was scientists develop a telescopic contact lens

Starting point is 00:39:33 that can zoom three times. Oh, what? This is the black mirror episode. Bro, listen to this, okay. It's a contact lens that can go up three X further. Three-year, like, and how do you operate it? I don't know how it operates yet. So listen, it's still in its-

Starting point is 00:39:48 My contact lenses are stuck in three times, I can't. Ah! So, this is- This is- This is straight from the article. I have Jackie Lincoln for those that want to read the full article. But over the past year, we've heard about some pretty interesting developments in the world of contact lenses.

Starting point is 00:40:02 Scientists have made progress on creating a pair of smart lenses for diabetics that are capable of monitoring gluclose levels. And Google is even inventing a set with an inbuilt camera like in blackmail. And now researchers over in Switzerland are working on the magnifying 3X. So it goes 3X and sees like just like of course we'd have a camera in our eye.

Starting point is 00:40:26 You know, that's like a natural fit. Dude, this just keeps going more and more in line with what Elon Musk said, and what you and I stayed up till fucking two in the morning, we were all freaking out. I gave Justin some of my weed, dude, you know what I'm saying? Oh, it was good. It was good, I was like, my brain was on fire.

Starting point is 00:40:45 I was like, figuring everything out. Is this the night with the Mark Bells? Yeah, when you had the people staying up next door banging on the wall. So, they're having a domestic dispute, like right behind me. So, a little funny story. We don't normally share this type of stuff, but typically when we go places, I make sure we stay somewhere really nice.

Starting point is 00:41:02 I just, I'm a little bit... And I appreciate even more so now that you do that. Right So now we save money. So yeah, that's this would be sounds Sal's been in my ear a lot lately, you know, and there's some things that we we changed this past year to kind of save the company some money and We're at you know at the beginning We're just like you know balls of the wall. It's all about growing this and that and then when we travel We want to travel nice and you know now we're looking at all these areas where we can probably, you know, cut back a tiny bit and be smarter about stuff. Well, we're going to Mark Bells to go do a podcast

Starting point is 00:41:33 at his place in West Sacramento. And instead of fighting traffic, because we're only a few hours away from there, we said, okay, let's go up there the night before. And because we're not shooting any content, we're not doing anything like, let's just stay cheap. So we tell Brianna, like, you know go up there the night before. And because we're not shooting any content, we're not doing anything like, let's just stay cheap. So we tell Brianna, like, you know, just find us

Starting point is 00:41:48 a place, you know, number one priority as close as possible to March, Jim, and then second, you know, put us in a decent place. So we stay at an extended stay, which typically are nice, but less Sacramento. Yeah. Bowen and Ray's got a good one there. Wow.

Starting point is 00:42:04 I mean, the place at the room that Justin and I had, literally, I mean, the ceiling walls and the outside. It was like an ash tray. Yeah, we were sleeping in an ash tray. We're staying from cigarette smoke. And I could feel myself breathing it in the entire night. And then, two o'clock in the morning, this couple, it's not like a family was actually in there,

Starting point is 00:42:27 like a whole family was fighting and like slam each other against the wall and slam and doors and yelling. And that went on for a good 45 minutes or so. You thought you started just searching bullets, like that? They were getting so loud and it was getting and the banging shit over there,

Starting point is 00:42:40 like I was afraid bullets were gonna come to the wall was gonna happen. So, but anyways, that night, I made Justin smoke some of my weed and we started talking and we went down this rabbit hole on the, what Elon Musk said in Joe Rogan's. Since he had that interview with Joe Rogan, the one thing that just like stuck with me more than anything else that he said was, you know, how we are already starting to morph. It's an extension of our brain.

Starting point is 00:43:08 It's already in a pindage. Right. Exactly. Our phone is already becoming in our appendage and he's so right. It's so obvious. If you've just looked at humans the last five years on how much you have your phone in your hand to the point where it is fucking normal. It is very normal now to walk down the street and see somebody

Starting point is 00:43:29 selfing themselves or talking to the phone while they're walking down the street. That is normal. Just looking at Facebook, right? Through the intersection. And so he makes this argument that we are already becoming this, you know, half machine, half human. Yeah. we are already becoming this half machine, half human. And the next step for AI,

Starting point is 00:43:47 because everybody's so scared of AI creating itself and then killing us, it's like, no, no, no. He's like, we're just gonna integrate with it. And it's going to be non-invasive for a while. Like, look how we all adopted the phone. And it just happened. And it was a subtle process. And we're like, no, this is part of our thing now And it's just that's how things work like it's not a fast process of like, oh, now I got a chip in my head

Starting point is 00:44:13 You know, like it just doesn't like go right to that No, it'll work. It'll be like oh look you wear contact lenses anyways. Yes. How nice would it be that your contact lens could snap a picture and zoom three times Well, fuck. I'm already putting them in my eyes anyway. She's taking my check lens. You know, it's not that different. You'll never, I mean, think of all the arguments. That's how it happened. Think of all the arguments you'll win.

Starting point is 00:44:33 You'll be like, oh, are you sure I said that? Okay, let's be played video. Oh, nope, looks like I didn't. Sorry. I mean, just think, and his point at that. Although women will probably win most arguments at that point. We are now in a time, I mean, which which again, and I know we use the word fascinating on time, but it is fascinating to me. It's just where you can be, you and I can be having

Starting point is 00:44:53 this argument about something and instantly it's solved by a Google search. I mean, we could be debating, no, it's not that way. Yes, it is that way. And then you can pull up studies to prove your point instantly. How crazy is that going to be when you just eliminate the step? We have no idea what that will mean. I know, literally. We have no idea what that'll mean because never in human history I have.

Starting point is 00:45:15 It's going to evolve humans faster than anything else. But we don't know what that'll mean. I know, right? We don't know if that's gonna be a great thing or if that's gonna be a bad thing. I see, and I'm not afraid of it. I feel like it will be a good thing. I don't think you should be afraid of it because it doesn't matter if you're afraid of it. It's gonna be a great thing or if that's gonna be a bad thing. I see, and I'm not afraid of it. I feel like it will be a good thing. I don't think you should be afraid of it because it doesn't matter if you're afraid of

Starting point is 00:45:28 it. It's gonna happen. You're better off not being afraid. Right. But who knows what that's gonna mean? Don't you feel like, and it's not to say that all intelligent people don't have stupid arguments or do stupid things. That's not my point, but I feel like the more intelligent you become, the less likely you are to do

Starting point is 00:45:49 Outlandish, violent, argumentive type of things where it's just like you're much more... I mean, you could even Google search that right now, like how to win an argument. I did. If you're trying to win an argument, you're struggling all the time, you can't figure out why you can't. Well, that's because you haven't fucking searched, looked it up and read about it, and you'll find out that your approach is all I agree with you to a point but the one thing that that will not be able to provide you with is wisdom and that is where that's fair and that's where I'm like we don't know like the unerred knowledge you're gonna

Starting point is 00:46:16 have a bunch of people who are normally idiots because let's be honest there's a lot of idiots out there a bunch of people who have all the knowledge and none of the wisdom, what is that gonna mean? I don't know, I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, but who knows, right? Because wisdom comes from experience. It'll balance itself out. There'll be a wave of, I mean, it's,

Starting point is 00:46:37 I don't know who knows, it's a full-time. It's like a debate that I get in with a young trainer. You're your first year or two years in a training, you've read all the books, you've Googled all the a training, you've read all the books. You've Googled all the Googling. You've followed all the best YouTubers. So you're just, you have a plethora of knowledge in your brain, but you haven't put the years in and the mistakes in that I have for 15 to 20 years. And so we still have these debates and arguments. I think it's healthy, though. What's interesting to me is like, so you already see YouTube being a valuable source for,

Starting point is 00:47:07 if I want to know how to do something, I want to know how to change the oil in my truck or whatever it is, there's a video I can watch, and then I was thinking, if I want to know the nuances of how to hold my handle, VR is gonna take that even further of how to learn skills, but now VR is gonna take that even further of like how to learn skills,

Starting point is 00:47:25 but now I'm gonna actually do them by watching somebody like go through that. Well, think here's a good example. So I was watching a documentary on Prime and I highly recommend this to anybody if you're into this kind of stuff because it gets a little weird, but it's also gets them to some cool science. The title of the documentary is called Inner World Outer World. They talk a lot about the crossing between science, spirituality, philosophy. When you listen to the wisdom that some of these ancient mystics used to talk about, you can see how a lot of what they said, it's just true. It's just last forever. They didn't have science, they didn't have microscopes and telescopes and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:48:06 But what they said was no less true than learning that, you know, and Adam looks the way it does today because we can see it. And one thing that they were talking about was the wisdom that some of these mystics would get through decades and decades and decades of quiet, peaceful, self-reflection and meditation, decades of quiet, peaceful, self-reflection and meditation,

Starting point is 00:48:27 where you quiet the consciousness and are able to observe yourself and you have these amazing breakthroughs. Now compare that to some kid who goes to Coachella and drops a bunch of acid and is like, oh my God, I know all this stuff. Do you really know the same stuff as the person who reached that point

Starting point is 00:48:44 through decades of meditation? You sure you could take some Ayahuasca or take some LSD, and maybe see and get a glimpse of the same things that the guy who sat on the mountain who's for 30 years did, and you can see it for a second, but is it the same? And so that's the thing, we just don't know. We're gonna have all this fucking information

Starting point is 00:49:06 accessible to us. You can have everybody who's gonna know everything, which is, in many ways, awesome, but without the wisdom, look at it this way. You take the average person, and you give them, you take the average 20 year old boy, and you give them access to all the women he wants. He lacks the wisdom to realize that it's probably not gonna be good

Starting point is 00:49:29 to just sleep with a bunch of women. He's not gonna learn that until later on. You give someone all the money in the world. They've got all the money, but they lack the wisdom that comes with earning it and what you do with it and the wisdom that comes with the fact that money doesn't bring happiness. You see what I'm saying? And so this is where it's going to be interesting when people become gods literally through

Starting point is 00:49:52 knowledge, when they have all the knowledge in the world at their fingertips at a thought. Is that going to, who knows what that'll mean? Isn't that a Dalai Lama or Buddhist quote the utter knowledge? Beware of, is not a, is not is not I don't know who said that. Yeah, there's a famous quote that's been said about that. Beware of under not under wisdom. Yeah, that's what yeah, something along those lines. I know I had a percent agree with you, but I also think that

Starting point is 00:50:17 all in all, I think it's going to benefit us. Like I think it's only going to be better that people are smarter and have I mean, it's a we're in the process of it right now. I think that's only gonna be better that people are smarter and have I mean, I were in the process of it right now. I think that, you know, we talk, we talk about it on social media. Carl Jung. Is that who said it? Yeah, there you go. I shouldn't own that. I just started reading his book. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What's the actual quotes? And I massacre to be aware of under and wisdom. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He, that's what, and he was literally talking about psychedelics.

Starting point is 00:50:47 Really? Yeah, he was literally referring to psychedelics when he made that quote. Yeah. Because I think it's totally true, you know? Like, I could write down everything I know about exercise and fitness, but it's different. Not wisdom is different in the knowledge, and it's hard to, it's hard for me to sit here and quantify. But I think that's the, you know, I think that's the best example I could give

Starting point is 00:51:07 is the person who sits under the tree for 30 years and meditates versus the person who takes a bunch of things. I always feel the more you know, it just like presents a whole host of new potential problems or things that like look very daunting because of you just like leaped into this new pool that you are You know you've never been before and so it's like presents a whole new array of options And so it's like I don't know we might get to a point where like we start thinking more about the universe and it freaks us out

Starting point is 00:51:39 Yeah, well, I know a lot of spiritual leaders have said you know Peace comes from not from acquiring things, but from detaching from things. So it's like the more you have, the more you become attached, the worse you feel, the more, the less you have and the less you become attached to things, then you become, you come to a peace. I believe that. I believe that. I mean, I even see it now with like simple practices of just getting rid of my phone and computer for an entire day, like how much better I feel.

Starting point is 00:52:12 It's so, I don't know, I think it's a popular thing. You guys didn't watch the YouTube video, or the little clip that I put on my story, huh? You should watch it. I think it's all the anxiety and depression. Yeah, I mean, that was the hook I used to get people to watch it, right? I was just, you know, do battle, anxiety,

Starting point is 00:52:25 do battle with depression, or do you have kids? And it was just talking about, you know, how important it is that we be careful on, you know, presenting, letting these kids get attached to these, these, you know, tools like an iPad and iPhone and how important it is as a parent that you intervene early on because of How that how the brain will form years down the road. I got it It's coming to me now how you gain knowledge is where the wisdom comes from and so if the knowledge is just given to you

Starting point is 00:52:57 A lot of that knowledge a lot of that you lose a lot of that wisdom So a great example. This is an easy one for us to understand because we're in fitness if a lot of that wisdom. So a great example, this is an easy one for us to understand because we're in fitness. If you could, if you had this, create this technological machine that you could walk inside and as soon as you walk out, your muscular, fit, lean and healthy, that person, although they would have all the physical effects

Starting point is 00:53:17 of years and years of training and good relationship to exercise and the relationship to nutrition and all these practices, they would be fit, lean and all that stuff They would completely lack all of the wisdom that comes from getting to that place that you know I know I now understand a lot of because I've been doing it for 20 years So and I've talked about this before like if they ever develop a pharmaceutical pill that just gets people fit That's not going to give them everything that they want to think it will it'll solve some problems for sure, but it's not gonna solve a lot of the problems, you know what I mean?

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Starting point is 00:55:07 All right, so let's get into how to break food addiction. It's really, the approach is the same approach on how to break any kind of an addiction. At the moment, Jessica and I are listening to this book that talks specifically about addiction and how to break addiction. And one of the things, and we're only in the first chapter, but there's already been good information.

Starting point is 00:55:29 I can't remember the name of it. I apologize. I'll try to post it on my story by the time this air so people can see what I'm talking about. But in the beginning of the book, the author talks about how we reinforce behaviors by continuing to scratch an itch. So what does that mean?

Starting point is 00:55:47 Well, if let's say every time you feel a craving, you reinforce it by feeding yourself with that food that seems to get rid of the craving, you're only strengthening that cycle. And so then this part sucks, this part really sucks. But, and I think the reason why people ask this question is because they don't want to go through the hard part. But the reality is to break any kind of a psychological addiction and especially a physiological addiction, you have to go through a process that you're not going to like. You're going to have to go through a process of wanting and craving and dealing with the wanting and craving.

Starting point is 00:56:29 I think the fear of the feeling of the craving, the fear of the wanting is what makes it so difficult. Like if you're so scared of being hungry and craving that you absolutely have to feed yourself, you're never gonna get through that process of breaking that addiction. So you have to feed yourself. You're never gonna get through that process of breaking that addiction. So you have to be comfortable. You have to become comfortable with that,

Starting point is 00:56:50 with the fact that you're gonna feel shitty. Just like I said, when I stopped caffeine recently, I was fully aware and prepared to deal with the withdrawal symptoms, which were slightly depressed, low energy, crappy workouts, not going to feel a sharp, and the fact that I'm going to want and crave a stimulant. And so understanding that and accepting that, as I went through the process of withdrawal, I just, okay, I feel like shit, and I'm okay with it, and I dealing with it, and that's it.

Starting point is 00:57:27 You have to go through that process because the way you break in addiction is through not reinforcing it. And enough times to where it loses its grip over you. You have to have it lose its grip over you. So I'm gonna refer to the podcast episode that we did with Dr. Andrew Hill. Is that right?

Starting point is 00:57:47 Yeah. Was that Andrew Hill? Yeah, I was trying to think of that too. I knew we've watched a TED talk and then we got somebody on that. Yeah, it was it was Dr. Andrew Hill and I that whole I think conversation was really geared around it was Andrew around this topic. And I actually really fascinated with their approach to helping somebody with alcoholism or any sort of drug

Starting point is 00:58:09 addiction. And I think that the way they do it, I think, it applies to any sort of addiction. And I think it's kind of groundbreaking, too. It's different. I mean, the old way of kind of handling addiction is this, like, you know, you cut cold turkey, and then you go through this 12 step process,

Starting point is 00:58:29 kind of like what AA is done forever. And I don't necessarily agree with that, because what ends up happening, and I've seen this, I've got several friends that are recovering alcoholics or drug addicts. And what I've seen is they know that they had to cut that off because it was ruining their life or whatever, or they had, their family had an intervention and said

Starting point is 00:58:50 no more. And so, and they've realized that it just cannot be in their life at all. And so, they've learned to cut that cold turkey. But then what I noticed is that they, they just feed that, that, that addiction to, or something else gets fed, or they, they or they go consume something else, whether it be sex or gambling or other forms of addiction, they end up seeking besides that one because they just went cold turkey and they really didn't solve the root cause. And I think the way Andrew Hill talks about it and the way they, instead of telling so

Starting point is 00:59:21 we know you can't do this anymore, just like food, right? You're saying no, you can't ever this anymore, just like food, right? You're saying no, you can't ever have that, is actually stopping for a moment and being like, you know, what makes you want this right now? Are you really hungry right now? Or is it because you sat down in front of your television right now and you don't realize that it's an interesting thought because you're going to be faced with it again constantly. So you go cold turkey, you eliminate it.

Starting point is 00:59:44 Well, there's always, always still going to be there. It's going to be in front of you. So you are going to have to keep addressing it. So like to build a new relationship towards it is, you know, something that is definitely like, like a high priority of like how to organize your thoughts around it going forward. Yeah. It's not just a willpower thing, although willpower in the beginning is part of it because the willpower You're gonna need some of that to stop yourself from getting you know to from curing that craving or whatever or from from Medicating that craving, but what you guys are saying is

Starting point is 01:00:18 The other part of it you have to deal with With the feelings that come up from the fact that you're not meditating yourself. You have to actually deal with them in a way that allows you to have long-term success. So if you're the kind of person that... Here's a good example. Let's say you smoke cigarettes. You get into smoking cigarettes, you start to enjoy them, and then you learn to smoke a cigarette when you're stressed out. What ends up happening is you create this pathway. By the way, the book is called the craving mind, I think, or the craving, yeah, the craving mind. That's the name of the book, really, really good book.

Starting point is 01:00:51 What ends up happening is now you're stressed out, you smoke a cigarette, now you've associated the relief of stress with something that you're doing, this being the cigarette, and on top of it, you're throwing on something that is physiologically causes an effect, which is the nicotine. So now you're connecting all those things and it becomes very difficult to stop.

Starting point is 01:01:11 So to stop the process, you get stressed out, I'm not gonna smoke. Okay, but we gotta still deal with the stress. We have to deal with it in a way where you now have a tool to deal with that stress that is going to replace the cigarette. And what Adam is saying is totally true, somebody may switch out their cigarettes for food or switch out their cigarette for another drug.

Starting point is 01:01:34 What you need to do is find a replacement that is something that is at least better than the cigarette because you can actually move away from addiction on a step-by-step process. So, in example, another example is, I've gotten people to quit smoking cigarettes through exercise. So what they'll do is, oh my God, when I'm stressed out, I have to smoke a cigarette and I tell them, well, go work out instead. Now, that's not the end of it, right?

Starting point is 01:01:58 Because then what ends up happening is now they become addicted to exercise. No, it's a better addiction than cigarettes, but now we got to move away from being addicted to exercise as well. You need to be able to deal with this in a way that's gonna give you long-term success. So when you cut these foods out of your system,

Starting point is 01:02:13 you're gonna go through withdrawal, it's gonna suck, try to figure out ways to deal with how you're feeling that are better for you than eating these types of foods. And not only, by the way, with food, there's physiological addiction that happens as well. Like, I know for me, when I'm eating hyper-palatable foods all the time, let's say I go in a trip,

Starting point is 01:02:34 and that's when I tend to do it, if I go in a vacation or something, when I stop eating those foods, normal foods taste bland, and I have a craving for hyper-palatable food. I want more potato chips, I want more cookies, I want more burgers and fries and that kind of stuff. And I gotta give myself like, it takes usually about a week for me to get it out of my system and for me to be okay with not eating them.

Starting point is 01:02:56 And I know I have to deal with that. So Adam, you've gone through, you went through getting off of opiate pills. Yeah. You know, what's that? Well, because that's a tough one. Well, everybody says how hard it's the hardest thing I've ever dealt with for sure. And how I think I handled it, so I didn't reach out to anybody. I did it all on my own.

Starting point is 01:03:16 And originally, when I first realized that I was even a dick, because I didn't even know that I was. So I think that's step one, right, is to actually acknowledge it. Yeah, acknowledge that you are. I mean, I think a lot of people don't think they have a food addiction. I think people are blindly feeding themselves and don't realize.

Starting point is 01:03:36 So I think step one is acknowledging that you have a food addiction. And a good way to acknowledge that is prepare your meals, have good balanced healthy meals in your refrigerator. And when you have that, oh, I really want to cheeseburger and fries, I'm hungry feeling, which you would say, or what, and you have food prepared, and you still won't go make that choice to go feed yourself with what you know is best for your body. And instead, you still pick up the phone and order or go through the drive-through and

Starting point is 01:04:03 do that. That's a good sign that you have an addiction there and you're not just hungry and you're just feeding that. So there's the first step is acknowledging that you have an addiction there. And then I also believe that there's going to be a large variance between people and how they handle this best. And for me, when I went through the opiate thing, it was like, okay, initially I realized, I remember, I just didn't have them one night.

Starting point is 01:04:31 I went through all this like shakes and sweats and I thought I had the flu. And then I started researching online and realizing, oh fuck, my body has become dependent on this chemical that I've been taking for the last, whatever it was, three or four months consistently after my surgery. Now, at that point, could you see how alluring it is

Starting point is 01:04:48 for some people to lie to themselves and be like, I don't know if I don't think I have a problem? Oh, especially for someone like me. So, like, you know, I haven't told the story in a long time. So, I'll be brief just to catch everybody at the doesn't know this. But I tore my ACLM, I went to the doctor. I had, I got prescribed ACLM, I went to the doctor, I got prescribed norcos, so you're really strong

Starting point is 01:05:07 if I could in hydrocoding. When I first started taking it, I would take it when I felt the pain. So I would wait and be like, oh my god, I'm so much pain, then I would take the pill. I remember coming back to the doctor and I said, these aren't strong enough. I'm in pain and then I take it and I don't feel like it really alleviates the pain and they're like, oh well, how often are you taking them? I said, well, it says to take them every four hours, right? Four to six hours is what it says on the bottle.

Starting point is 01:05:34 And I said, so I kind of go by that somewhere around there, I wait and they were like, okay, well, stay ahead of the pain. Like before you feel the pain coming on, then take it a little earlier. So basically, just gave me the green light to take these more frequently. And she was right, you know, I took them more frequently and I was pretty much high all day long. And so then I wasn't in as much pain and it was very numbing and felt good and it didn't bother me. Well, I went from, you know, I think I came out the gates taking like three of those in a day or so and three became I think I came out the gates, taking like three of those in a day or so,

Starting point is 01:06:03 and three became seven to nine really quick. And then it became seven to nine very consistently for months. And then it was like, okay, I'm back to training, I'm rehabbing, I'm not in a lot of pain. I think I just finished my last refill of a bottle, and I was up to taking seven to nine every single day, and I just stopped, you know, I didn't know.

Starting point is 01:06:23 I actually at that point was like completely naive to opiate addiction. And because I'm somebody who had a surgery and didn't ever battle with drug addiction, I don't think this is me. So it doesn't even cross my mind. I don't take anything the next night, the very next night, I'm in fucking cold sweats

Starting point is 01:06:41 and shivering and shaking. And the first thing I think of, I don't think drugs, I think, oh, I have the flu. So I'm miserable, miserable, miserable. I go in the next day and I'm just feeling awful. And I remember that I had a restless night that night. I didn't sleep hardly anything.

Starting point is 01:06:56 And I'm feeling like I got the flu. And I remembered I still had like one more vikin' or something laying around. And I took it. And the symptoms went instantly away. Two about 30 minutes for it to hit my system. And I didn't just go from like feeling like the worst flu I've ever had to feeling better.

Starting point is 01:07:14 I went from like feeling the flu to like feeling great. Like this normal back to normal. Yes. And I went, whoa. And like right away I was in my office and started like Google searching, you know, opiate addiction, vacate addiction and symptoms and then all of a sudden, and everything

Starting point is 01:07:31 that I had just experienced starts like that. So then I realized like, whoa, my body has become dependent on this and I didn't realize it. So that I think is so important, and I think that we see this with food, like people just don't stop to think that maybe you're addicted to it and you don't realize it. Now did you scale down or do you go cold turkey?

Starting point is 01:07:50 So the obviously not taking any of that night or two is my example of cold turkey, right? Cause I didn't take any of that the next two days. And then I realized that wasn't gonna be possible. So then I think I went from seven to nine down to like five to six and from five to six down to three to five and then from three to five down to one to three and then skip every other day. I would have one and then eventually I think that's the in my experience.

Starting point is 01:08:14 I'm not an addiction expert at all, but in my experience working with clients with food issues. That is the most effective. I have yet to work with a client where they come to me and they're eating terribly and I give them a diet and say, don't eat these foods anymore and then they're cured and they just eat great all the time. I've never had success doing that. The only success I've ever had has been,

Starting point is 01:08:37 okay, let's reduce your soda consumption to half, okay, let's eliminate candy three days a week, okay, let's have you eat vegetables on these days, it's a slow process. And then my own experience with things like caffeine, I went from one cup of coffee a day to every other day, half of it being decaved, every day half of it being decaved to, every other day, all of it being decaved. Just slow scaling process.

Starting point is 01:09:03 In my experience, that's been the most effective way. Yeah, I, I mean, I do this, I openly discuss my, my love for diet codes. And, you know, I, I do this the same way with that. I, I don't demonize it. I don't say I can't have it. I'm aware of the research on it. It's probably not a good idea

Starting point is 01:09:24 for it to be something consistent in my life. So I kind of weave in and out of this thing where I allow myself to and then not to. And the way I kind of pay attention to it is I can see myself becoming addicted. It turns into like a once in a great while. We're all out somewhere and it just sounds great

Starting point is 01:09:42 because we decided to stop and have a burger and I haven't had a burger at this place and I want to have a coke with it. And so I have one it goes from that to oh now I'm actually picking it up at the grocery store, you know, and I always typically Buy the little the small cans get a little mini cans And that like you know on a lot of ice that kind of satisfies the craving. And so, you know, one of those things will last me, you know, probably a month. And then it goes to where I'm starting to have them, you know, every other day to then every day. And then eventually I'm having a full coke and a full diet coke. And when I catch myself doing that back to back days or streaming multiple days in a row,

Starting point is 01:10:22 I now know I'm fully in again. And so then once I see that, I go the other direction, and I start to pull back and then have none again. So, Justin, how did you get off gluten? Because you don't eat gluten anymore. Every time now we go out, we had a burger when we were driving up from interviewing Mark Bell. And that's the third time I've seen you order a burger wrapped in lettuce.

Starting point is 01:10:42 You are like on, you are not eating gluten. I've just trained myself to enjoy that. I actually crave a lettuce wrap versus a regular burger anymore. And it's mainly, for me, I've just really tried to pay attention to how my body reacts and receives, like if I eat bread, it's almost within five minutes, even faster sometimes where I know the result of what's gonna happen just based off of,

Starting point is 01:11:16 that's where you get the acid reflux, it turns into something. So for me, it's an avoidance of unnecessary pain that has conditioned me to then seek out other foods and really like, I don't know, I'm just in more of a place now where mentally, that's, I get more enjoyment out of eating foods that benefit my energy.

Starting point is 01:11:46 And it's just for me just thinking about it differently. Really, like I, because there's foods out to the taste fucking great, you know, and but I don't miss them. So it's, it's at that point, I had to, it took a long time for me to get to that place though, so it's not like, you know, that was an overnight thing.

Starting point is 01:12:03 Yeah, it takes, it takes a while, 100%. I'll tell you what, pay attention to how, how you feel when you don't eat these foods and make positive associations with them. That's the key. You know, and it makes it, makes it a lot easier. Next question is from Adapt Nation. What do you think about eating and training as per your neurotype, depending on what transmitters are most dominant and or you are most sensitive to. You know why I picked this question? This is like the blood type. You know why I picked this question?

Starting point is 01:12:34 Cause I think it's stupid to pay attention to a single factor like your neurotype, depending on your neurotransmitters and what's more dominant, you know, or you serotonin dominant and dopamine dominant and all that, all that stuff. Here's a deal. Well, isn't it also always changing? It's not only that, but when you're exa- and this is again, we talked about wisdom earlier,

Starting point is 01:12:56 this is a wisdom thing. When I'm training a client, when you guys are training clients, how many factors come into play that help you determine what the workout is going to be like today? A lot. So you could have the gene that says that you should work out like a strength athlete. But you slept bad yesterday, you're a little stiff and sore in your joints,

Starting point is 01:13:17 you're a workout, the previous workout we had was a particular way. Your diet is a... I'm going to change my advice. I'm gonna change how I train you. And so I think that these products and these books that come out that are like blood type training and train yourself according to your genes and train yourself according to your neuro type.

Starting point is 01:13:37 It's just a gimmick. It's total catchy gimmick. It's just like a somatotype. I mean, it's all these things we're trying to simplify all those variables for people and trying to steer them in one particular direction, but you still have to be the one steering and understand like if any of those things really apply to you or not. And so it's there's just so many more factors involved than just, well, like, let's just we narrowed it down, like, the general consensus is this.

Starting point is 01:14:05 And even if it never works out again, even if these things had any sort of validity to it too, because the jury is still out on some of those stuff, right? Like, we haven't like fully proven wrong, like the blood type thing, right? Like, it's, well, nothing's really shown that it, that it works. That's, I get what you're saying.

Starting point is 01:14:19 Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's, it's, nothing's shown that really works, nothing really shown that it doesn't work, right? It's, like, still sticks around. Right, but the, the point is that I'm saying like it's nothing's shown that really works, nothing really shown that it doesn't work, right? It still sticks around. Right, but the point is that I'm trying to make is that it's splitting hairs on the real difference that it's going to make in your overall fitness and health journey and you're better off

Starting point is 01:14:38 focusing on other things than trying to become so myopically focused here, right? I mean, I think it's ridiculous. It's silly. I mean, look, let's say somebody, let's say I had a machine that I could take someone's blood and when I got the results back, it said, the absolute most effective form of cardiovascular activity

Starting point is 01:15:00 for this individual is swimming. And I'm like, whoa, like this super advanced machine is telling me that if you swim, you're gonna get the best cardio results from swimming over any of the forms of cardio. And I tell Mrs. Johnson her results, hey, check it out. We're gonna swim because this is what your results said. She's like, I hate swimming.

Starting point is 01:15:16 Okay, we're not doing it. Like literally, you have to take all these things into account. Even if all these factors, look, I talk about traditional strength training as being the best form of exercise in the context of modern life for most people. I talk about that all the time.

Starting point is 01:15:33 But if you fucking hate weight training and you really, really love yoga, and if your choices were yoga and nothing, what's better for you? Yoga or resistance training, the one thing you're not gonna do or the thing you're gonna do, you see what I'm saying? So all that, anytime you read something like this,

Starting point is 01:15:49 I would take it with the grain of thought. I saw, I think it's fascinating. I think I would read into this and see what the theories are behind it and find it interesting. And you know, people like to read about themselves. This is why horoscopes still exist. I mean, we know horoscopes are complete bullshit, even though Adam believes in them. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha about ourselves. Like if I wrote a thing, if I wrote an article right now, say I've been writing articles for my pump and we're always trying to get a lot of views. And if I wrote

Starting point is 01:16:29 an article that said, Hey, you know, what your favorite color says about the kind of workout you should be doing. We would get, you know, people would share that. This is just marketing. Yeah. If your favorite color's red, then you probably should be doing this workout and I can make up some bullshit. People love to read about themselves. This is total waste of time. Yeah, because neuro-type, like you guys said, it could change. You could learn new skills. You could acquire new things.

Starting point is 01:16:52 You could bridge new fundamental things that your brain fires in a different way because of. So it's like, it's not like you're always gonna be that same person with that same neuro-type. And to that point is I brought up the blood type too, because we may as well address it since I threw it out there, you could also be somebody who you're eating for your quote unquote blood type, and one of the foods on your blood type list could be something you're intolerant to now.

Starting point is 01:17:17 Sure. Because you got leaky gut syndrome five, ten years back, and you were eating a ton of the stuff that you were told that you were overwhelmed, your body with the same food, which now you build. Right. Now you have an intolerance to it. So, you're focusing on these things, I think, as a waste of time. No, and your perception is something that you perceive and what you enjoy and what you

Starting point is 01:17:39 don't enjoy are, in my experience, more important than all of those things. So if I'm gonna help someone work out, one of the things that is at the top of the list of factors that contributes to how I train this person is what do you enjoy doing, how much time can you realistically spend on exercise? I don't give a fuck what I think is best for you. If it's something you hate, we're not gonna do it. And I'm gonna work with things you really enjoy doing

Starting point is 01:18:07 because you're more likely to do it. So at the end of the day, you have to consider all those factors and the most important thing is this. What are you gonna enjoy doing? What do you wanna do? Start with that and don't worry about your neurotype. It always amounts to constantly learn, constantly grow. Next question is from Mr. Rota.

Starting point is 01:18:26 What are your favorite strong man lifts? You know, when we worked with... Robert Overs. Yeah, to put together a map strong. That was fun. That was a lot of fun. And I'll be honest, I'd always seen the value and understood the value of lifts that strongman did, but I didn't quite grasp the value for someone like myself,

Starting point is 01:18:53 who, you know, I have no interest in competing in a strongman competition. I do like strength and I do like building muscle. And there's some exercises that strongmen do that, you know, I would do other exercises instead of, you know, I'm saying like, okay, if you do heavy, trap bar, farmer walks, you're gonna build good grip strength and you're probably build good upper traps

Starting point is 01:19:14 and that kind of stuff, but, you know, I could do shrugs and deadlifts and not gonna, typically not gonna do that, but we wrote maps strong at how all these exercises that I don't normally do. And so I followed the program. You know, a lot of times what we'll do is we'll write a program, especially something that's different than what we normally would do and we'll follow it ourselves so we know what

Starting point is 01:19:32 it feels like. And I did all these exercises and let me tell you, they have value all in their own. Like heavy, heavy farmer walks with the trap bar, huge value in that. Like I built muscle in my upper back and strength in my grip and again, my upper back that translated to my dead left, veterans, strength and stamina in that grip. Dude, think about that and how applicable

Starting point is 01:19:54 that is and knows everything. Yeah, so now it's part of my routine. Now I do some heavy carries on a semi-regular basis. The other one is a zircher squats. I knew what their value was again, but I didn't really do them because I could do a front squat, I could do a deadlift, I could do other exercises.

Starting point is 01:20:12 But no, man, front, zircher squats, again, I built, I built my arms got bigger from doing that, just from holding in that position, which it's not traditionally an arm exercise. See, I loved the sandbag exercise, especially the shouldering sandbags, because for me, like, to pick up the awkward objects, that's a constant thing, especially where I live, like moving logs and, you know, grabbing

Starting point is 01:20:40 objects, even just throwing my kid up over my shoulder, like, they're just, you know, they're moving, they're squirming, you know, it's awkward weight. It's way more applicable to like my daily life, like in general. So I feel like strong, just like picking up this object, throwing it up over my shoulder. And it's one of those things where it's like,

Starting point is 01:21:00 if you're an everyday average dad or mom or whatever, like you're gonna be faced with those types of things. Yeah, one thing I like about the strong man lifts is that they do a lot of rounded back lifting. So I don't mean like your lower back is super rounded where you're gonna hurt yourself. What I mean is the upper back shoulder blades around it. So imagine if you grab a really big round off,

Starting point is 01:21:21 imagine if you take a barrel, yeah, like a barrel or you have a big buddy that you wanna pick up like a wrestler, you have to round your shoulders in order to fully grasp around them, and then you have to lift. I got a guy's bob. So there's a, because of the rounding of the upper back,

Starting point is 01:21:38 you're strengthening, you're developing tension in that position and developing strength in that position, a lot of exercises where you're lifting heavy, your goal is to train, maintain more of a retracted shoulder blades. You're not getting lots of that rounded back or that hug position. And so some of the strong mass lifts,

Starting point is 01:21:55 you don't incorporate that and they build muscle. Yeah. What about the snatch grip stuff? Well, so my favorite, it's funny you picked this question because today on my schedule to lift today, what I'm doing, and what I think I mentioned this in a podcast earlier that my volume of training is pretty low, it's probably the lowest I've been in years. And the other day, I spent the entire hour doing Turkish get-ups time before that.

Starting point is 01:22:22 I was just squatting the entire hour. So I've been doing like movements that I really enjoy that have lots of carryover that just working on the skill of them and today I had already planned, which is funny we're bringing this up, circus press. And that is like a favorite move of mine. I just, again, bring it to me. So practical to a lot of things that you would have to do is picking something up off the ground and then being strong enough to be able to stabilize it with your core. And then the ability to lift it up over your head is such a great movement. And I used to do a variation of the circus press. Now, the circus press that, um, Robert Overs taught us was from ground

Starting point is 01:23:06 all the way up. And I used to already do like a, you know, single arm dumbbell press standing a lot. It was like one of my- But it would stay up there. Yeah, but it would stay up there. So I love incorporating it, bringing it from the floor all the way up and then pressing over over my head, favorite move of mine for sure. Yeah, what about the snatch grip, like high poles and deadlifts? Yeah. Those were, I know Doug was, it's done on a back builder.

Starting point is 01:23:32 Well, Doug's been trying to build his upper back and traps for a long time, even when I first started training him. And that's always been an area he's focused on. And he's like, that's the most, most effective thing that he's done for his traps and upper mid back. And I will not disagree because when I was doing

Starting point is 01:23:48 those high pulls with a snatch grip, it would work my upper back in ways that no other exercise really has. I really have never felt the way that those exercises make me feel, no money. Next question is from Taylor Baca. What are the best and most paradigm shattering things you have learned from your co-hosts?

Starting point is 01:24:09 Oh wow. I'm gonna challenge you. Challenge is like that. The challenge is like that right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta think about that. I have, well I have one. Okay good, you start to answer.

Starting point is 01:24:18 Yeah, I have one, one thing that I learned really well from both of you guys. And this is something that I had pride in myself for doing as well. But when you witness it in other people and you witness it the way I've witnessed it, it really, really challenges me to be even better at this. And, you know, I get to work with these very intelligent, hardworking, alpha men who very good at what they do, very confident and what extremely confident in what they do.

Starting point is 01:24:55 But the humility that I've witnessed is just, I've never met people who are as confident as they are as you guys are, but also is willing to be like, oh, I was wrong there or I messed up there, I need to get better. Or I'm not good at that. Let me, you know, let me do this even better. Like those are two things that usually don't go together. Usually you find someone that's super alpha, super confident, has a tough time with saying those things.

Starting point is 01:25:24 That's a tough time with acknowledging those things, has a tough time with acknowledging those things, but you guys are very, the humility is, and I think that's what true confidence really is, and it's been pretty awesome to work with because it really challenges me in being able to do that. On more specific levels, I'll start with Justin, he's got this ability to, he handles things in a very stoic manner. He doesn't, I mean, and I know Justin, you said you've been criticized in the past for not letting your emotions out or whatever, but no, you are an expressive person because that's the thing I got to know you.

Starting point is 01:25:59 You talk about what you want to talk about. It's not like you try to hide things, but you're stoic in the sense, and it's good because it puts everybody else at ease. Like if you're, you know, you're leading a team doing something and you're freaking out, everybody else can freak out. You don't, you're always like, you're fucking solid. Like, you know, like if the shit went down,

Starting point is 01:26:18 Justin would be the dude you'd want by you because you're gonna feel like shit's gonna be okay even though maybe not, it's not gonna be okay, but he's got that ability. Adam has an ability to just go up and talk to anybody and say anything. That's pretty cool, pretty cool thing to watch. I've had other friends that are good at that as well,

Starting point is 01:26:36 but not quite as good as you. And so watching you be able to go up to people and say what you're gonna say, and for it to be received the way it's gonna be received and then be able to just go into a room with people and have conversation the way you do. It's really cool. It's a very cool skill that I now feel like I'm getting better with because I'm around somebody who's better than I am at it. Yeah, I'll go ahead and go next.

Starting point is 01:27:01 I think obviously I bring this up all the time in terms of how you guys communicate and I pick up on it quite a bit. And I've actually learned the most from just watching how you guys deliver what you want to deliver and the way that you guys both do it's different. And so I've definitely taken pieces of both of, you know, how you guys have brought and presented information on the podcast. And that's another to kind of go into the confidence thing.

Starting point is 01:27:36 Obviously, like, you know, with the way that I pick up on, you know, with Adam, how he is able to kind of present information or just a thought and he does that in a way that's like, it's, there's no holding back, there's no, and it's not necessary. There's definitely a critical thought that goes into like before he presents it. So it's not like he's just winging it, but at the same time, it's, I think there's a bit of a hesitancy I've always had, I live in my head a lot, and that's something that I've been trying to break over that barrier of having an opinion and then realizing that opinion

Starting point is 01:28:15 and walking through that opinion. And so I think the delivery and the storytelling in the way that you're able to communicate that, I've definitely picked up a lot from that. Same thing with Sal, in terms of just having, just being able to recall information, but also like not, and I know you've read a lot of articles, I know you've read a lot of material

Starting point is 01:28:44 where you could just regurgitate it like word for word at this point, but the way that you're able to extract and simplify the true message of it and the root of it, I think your delivery is definitely something that is unique. And I think that a lot of people can digest it very well. So those were definitely two things that like I'm, I've improved just as a byproduct of

Starting point is 01:29:10 being around you guys. So this is a little bit more challenging for me, especially with Justin because I feel like much of the, you know, the word paradigm shattering happened for me way early on of having him around me. So Justin's been around me for a really long time. So there's not a lot that he does now that surprises me. Like I think I have a really good understanding of who he is and I've been long impressed with him.

Starting point is 01:29:42 So I don't feel like there's been that much that in the podcast from my holy shit, I can't believe that Justin's like that. It's like that was why that's part of why he's a part of this and the why he's with me. I mean, I've got a ton of intelligent, great smart trainers that I've been around my entire career that would have loved to have the opportunity

Starting point is 01:30:02 to have joined forces with Sal and Doug, and there's a reason why Justin was. I really felt like he was, wherever I was weak, I felt he was really strong, and so we really complemented each other personality-wise. Now, some things that I have tried to apply now more than I think for him, and it's funny because the opposite, right?

Starting point is 01:30:24 So what he's taking from me, I'm taking the opposite, which is, you know, I try to collect my thoughts more than when I used to. So, you know, I can sometimes just respond how I feel and what's on my mind. And I'm trying to be in my head a little bit more and thoughtful about what I'm about to say because not everybody who's listening to this podcast really knows who I am and knows that I'm coming from a good place And so I'm trying to think a little bit more before I speak and so that that comes from him But I definitely have had paradigm shattering moments with Sal and with Doug. I'll start with Doug first since we didn't really touch on Doug You know

Starting point is 01:31:04 Something that I've always prided myself on is, it may not be the most red or intelligent man in the room, but it's rare that I will ever be in a room of gentlemen and women for that matter that I work with, that can outwork me. And it's, many times have I been surprised that I can send a message to the group thread or send a message to Doug at weird ass hours, you know, and he's right there with me doing something, you know, I'll be grinding away at something or looking at analytics

Starting point is 01:31:38 or in our business somehow and sent and he's like, yeah, I'm doing this and he's doing something on the business at weird hours like me. So, you know, there is a good chance that even as old as he is that he may be able to work me out of the table, which is, I love that, pushes me to a whole other level. And then there's been several like paradigm shattering moments with Sal. I'll use an exercise one that I think is, since we didn't talk anything really about that stuff, he was really what got me into deadlifting as consistent as I've been deadlifting for the last few years.

Starting point is 01:32:17 And that was when I was getting into competing and him and I were sending back gay photos to each other and he would tell me. He would tell me. He would treat me. To leave all those. He would critique my physique and he says, man, I mean, you should really, you know, push the deadlifts more, push the deadlifts more. And, you know, I listen.

Starting point is 01:32:34 And I said, okay, you know, yeah, sure, I kind of deadlift here and there. Yeah, sure, I was kind of squatting here and there, but never like, like a strength program. Like much of what like a Maps and a ball is like. And I really put a lot of energy in focus on it. And it just, it blew my mind. And I've shared that on the podcast before. And he was the real catalyst to that was he was in my ear about that. I'm also always impressed with his ability to communicate his thoughts and his points.

Starting point is 01:33:02 I think he is by far the one far the most talented person that I've ever been around when it comes to making his point about something. I think he does it in a way that's probably a lot less polarizing than the way that I do it. And you got to be a real asshole, I think, to not receive what he's, because he comes from a very pure place. He really does a very good job of Looking at both sides of the argument before he presents his argument. He's extremely extremely open-minded for it as stubborn as he is so That that that to be able to What's that called to be able to live into polar, polar opposite.

Starting point is 01:33:46 What's the word I'm looking for? There's a term for that where you can, you can live in both, both ways and you can communicate that way. That's very, not a bipolar. That's right, I live. That, that to me, when you see it live in action and there's no preparation to this podcast, people ask that all the time, people used to always ask me, you know, does Sal have a computer up and he's looking at all these studies and that was for sure another paradigm shattering moment for me to witness

Starting point is 01:34:15 at hand. Like he literally is not cheating. There's nothing in front of him. He talks when we, the conversation flows in a direction that he had no idea, he has this ability to pull from this catalog of information that he has buried in his brain and regurgitate it damn near verbatim for what the study or the article said. It's just as unbelievable to watch in person as it probably is to listen on the podcast. So that was very paradigm shattering when I first got it. Now I think a lot of these things that we're talking about right now, which is neat that we're visiting this, we take for granted because we're with it every single day.

Starting point is 01:34:52 It's not even a big deal anymore. It's not a big deal, but it is. Well, I think about how much I've changed because I'm around certain things. You know what I'm saying? And that just goes to show you, you want to hang around people that challenge you in those ways, because you'll get better.

Starting point is 01:35:06 Even if you're not trying to, I think you try. You ever notice this? You ever have a friend who has an accent, like I had a friend who was from England, and we were good buddies for a long time before he moved back to start and talking with it. I started, I sort of got, I would hear myself have an accent every once in a while,

Starting point is 01:35:21 like the fuck am I doing? I'm not even from, but it's a natural thing that you start to pick up on and we do it all the time. I mean, there's verbiage that I know I say that I first heard Justin or Adam say that now is a part of my vernacular. And that's just a small part of it, but it's that growth that you get

Starting point is 01:35:36 from being around those people. And you know what, having kids, it's really important to know this because then you can see the kids, your kids are hanging out with and you start to realize what your parents used to Tell you about be careful who you hang around with very true You could have the strongest character in the world, but if you're hanging around with a bunch of losers

Starting point is 01:35:55 It starts to you start to slowly become more of that and so you know being around these guys has really made me a better smarter more effective person. So it's a good question because a lot of people are listening, are trying to better themselves, mostly physically, right? Because they're into, you know, fitness, podcasts and all that. And it's like, look, if you're trying to eat better, you're trying to exercise more consistently. And the people you're surrounding yourself with are, don't care about those types of things. At some point, you may have to make a choice

Starting point is 01:36:26 where you have to kind of start being around people that really fucking are. Yes, interesting, because I think about this every now and especially I feel bad for podcasters that are like flying solo, because they don't have like that constant criticism. You know, their ego will just keep going and going and going and people either tell them they're great

Starting point is 01:36:43 or they're not great, but There's that constant communication and checks and balances happening Within this dynamic I think is really unique excellent So look if you go to mind pump free.com you can download any one of our guides For free in fact, you can download all of them you can have all of them for free So there is no limit. MindPumpFree.com. Also, you can find us on Instagram. We all have individual pages.

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